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| 00:00.51 | jelly | awal1, do /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname count as network files? |
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| 00:03.30 | awal1 | jelly, no. In fact my question is bcoz after commenting out (#) eth0 lines) in /etc/network/interfaces, I have no more troubles/long delay during reboot/poweroff process bcoz of 'eth0' stuff not stopping. |
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| 00:04.29 | awal1 | I have been told that may be bcoz I used wired during installation then I switched to use wi-fi |
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| 00:06.30 | awal1 | I mean I only used wired (eth0) during install (for avoid eventual wifi problems); after that I only use wi-fi |
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| 00:06.41 | jelly | awal1, which debian release? /lib/systemd/system/ifup@.service in stretch read as if things should not get shut down at all |
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| 00:07.38 | jelly | but I guess it's entirely possible that does not work properly in some situations |
| 00:07.49 | awal1 | so, I wanted to know what can be the sources of the problem bcoz there is nothing special in interfaces file |
| 00:08.16 | awal1 | jelly, I used stretch stable for minimal install ---» testing ---» unstable (now) |
| 00:08.34 | somiaj | could it be another service, such as network.target that is brining the network down, as on my system I ahve to wait for my bridge to be brought down to poweroff/reboot. |
| 00:08.37 | jelly | then ask in |
| 00:08.42 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 00:08.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:09.05 | jelly | I have no idea what state networking is in unstable right now |
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| 00:09.40 | jelly | and I don't have a working system nearby to check |
| 00:10.35 | awal1 | jelly, I wasn't going to ask about unstable system here anyway, just about files in a standard debian install, which thing is branch independent :P |
| 00:10.55 | awal1 | somiaj, the message I was seeing is just related to eth0 |
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| 00:11.55 | awal1 | jelly, interesting info you gave about /lib/systemd/system/ifup@.service thanks |
| 00:12.25 | jelly | awal1, but behaviour of services at startup and shutdown is NOT release independent |
| 00:12.50 | awal1 | jelly, right ;) |
| 00:13.09 | jelly | unless you can confirm the same thing happens with stretch |
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| 00:14.42 | awal1 | in fact, jelly, you may be right about branch dependent; bcoz the long delay issue of eth0 not terminating started like a few month ago only, and the machine in question have sid since a few years |
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| 00:16.11 | awal1 | somiaj, I 'll check the network. target, thanks |
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| 00:21.14 | awal1 | what means and why exactly, "# avoid stopping on shutdown via stopping system-ifup.slice" and following parameters in " /lib/systemd/system/ifup@.service " ? |
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| 00:21.49 | awal1 | final purpose, I mean |
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| 01:11.09 | gplquestions | i have questions about gpl |
| 01:11.29 | Unit193 | gplquestions: I believe you were recommended to try #fsf. |
| 01:12.15 | gplquestions | then someone else advised here too |
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| 01:13.45 | somiaj | gplquestions: the question doesn't sound related to debian, hence #fsf |
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| 01:52.51 | dtux | given that i already have 2 1TB SSDs, RAID0 or one just for /home? |
| 01:53.16 | nevyn | what's the data in /home worth? |
| 01:54.42 | dtux | nevyn: measured in MBs... generally speaking nothing. i have backups |
| 01:55.16 | nevyn | raid isn't a replacement for backups |
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| 01:55.44 | nevyn | but it can be more convienient than restoring due to h/w failure |
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| 01:57.32 | dtux | ya, just indecisive about what to do... i have them in raid1 atm, but im planning to reimage and not seeing much benefit in raid1 |
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| 02:30.06 | EnchanterTim | Hi |
| 02:30.14 | EnchanterTim | I'm forgot how to make a usb :) |
| 02:30.28 | EnchanterTim | I downloaded debian 9.3 iso netinst and now I have plugged in a usb |
| 02:30.44 | somiaj | from what os? |
| 02:30.46 | EnchanterTim | so I just cp the iso over to the /dev/sde or do I need a program |
| 02:30.50 | EnchanterTim | I'm on debian jessie right now |
| 02:31.07 | somiaj | just cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the actual drive -- be careful this will destory all data on the drive. |
| 02:31.20 | EnchanterTim | anyway to watch the progress of cp? |
| 02:31.26 | EnchanterTim | rsync maybe? |
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| 02:31.30 | EnchanterTim | does that work on block devices? |
| 02:31.45 | somiaj | I have seen som hacks, but it should be fast enough. I woudln't bother personaly |
| 02:31.50 | EnchanterTim | ok |
| 02:32.03 | EnchanterTim | I've been on jessie for years |
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| 02:32.04 | somiaj | I guess rsync could work. |
| 02:32.08 | EnchanterTim | Programs are old. |
| 02:32.10 | somiaj | why not just upgrade to stretch |
| 02:32.13 | somiaj | you don't need to reinstall |
| 02:32.14 | EnchanterTim | I try to get new stuff and just omg. |
| 02:32.17 | somiaj | !tell EnchanterTim about jessie->stretch |
| 02:32.20 | EnchanterTim | Oh, Ihave tons of third party packes |
| 02:32.22 | EnchanterTim | packages |
| 02:32.29 | EnchanterTim | upgrade won' work, it fails |
| 02:32.36 | EnchanterTim | no workarounds, too much package convolution. |
| 02:32.37 | somiaj | ahh so you tried, understand. (: |
| 02:32.51 | EnchanterTim | yessir |
| 02:33.02 | EnchanterTim | I wonder though, should I go with testing or stable. |
| 02:33.26 | somiaj | suggestion is stable unless you want to test debian and submit bug reports and help provide info to fix the things that will break |
| 02:33.28 | EnchanterTim | I used sid for years, then stable for years, omg what a pleasure, no hassles. |
| 02:33.35 | somiaj | (also if you want security support, testing has the worst in all of debian) |
| 02:33.42 | EnchanterTim | yeah, that's too much work for me right now. I'll use stable again. |
| 02:34.00 | EnchanterTim | Thanks dude, i'll see you from there |
| 02:34.01 | somiaj | yea stable + backports works, and I don't think the evoluation of linux is the same as it was 10+ years ago, or I'm getting older, I don't see the differences that I use too |
| 02:34.19 | EnchanterTim | yeah, I just got old. I am happy with old stuff, but jessie just got too old |
| 02:34.26 | EnchanterTim | New things wont' build fro source either |
| 02:34.31 | EnchanterTim | libs too old. |
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| 02:53.34 | theguyfromthebus | hello |
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| 02:55.32 | theguyfromthebus | A fast question. I bought a VPS with debian on it. I would like to make two game servers. |
| 02:55.45 | theguyfromthebus | Can I make the servers under the root user or should I add a new user? |
| 02:55.56 | CodeHunter | How do I bypass the computer expects you to put in the USB device it saw when you last shutdown the system? |
| 02:56.43 | CodeHunter | When I boot it gets to a point where it looks for a USB device and since I don't know what one I had used nor where they are at the moment, I cannot boot into debian. |
| 02:57.10 | CodeHunter | Does anyone know of a solution? |
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| 03:01.35 | CodeHunter | A start job is running for dev-disk...CC\x2d78A5.device ( /1min 30s) |
| 03:01.51 | CodeHunter | I cannot get past that |
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| 03:14.32 | ChmEarl | CodeHunter, try `noresume` on kernel cmdline |
| 03:15.18 | CodeHunter | okay |
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| 03:23.09 | CodeHunter | noresume gives error 'command not found' |
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| 03:24.16 | CodeHunter | I can get in using 'startx' but that doesn't stop the boot issue |
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| 04:23.23 | purplez | the initramfs shell suggests checking boot args or looking for missing modules, but `cat /proc/modules | grep dm_mod` shows a live result |
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| 04:26.08 | EnchanterTim | Hello I am now on debian 9.3 |
| 04:26.27 | EnchanterTim | I used a chromium and wide plugin to get netflix, but now when I switch the tab, the sound goes away |
| 04:26.39 | EnchanterTim | I want to remain the sound playing in background even if I switch tab |
| 04:26.49 | EnchanterTim | where do I get help for chromium |
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| 04:33.42 | mandeep | EnchanterTim: #chromium-support |
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| 04:48.15 | Kobaz | anyone familiar with using apcupsd with cyberpower |
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| 05:07.35 | rant | theguyfromthebus: its usually not advisable to run thigs as root when you dont have to.. it could result in damage to the system allowing thigs to run with full permissions |
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| 05:08.56 | acidtripper | rant, noone knew that... good input |
| 05:09.30 | rant | EnchanterTim: it works natively with FF in Stretch.. I'm on an old Pentium M 1.8 w/ 1gb ram and while I gotta lower my resolution for it to not eat my CPU and lag out, it works fine |
| 05:10.23 | rant | acidtripper: hey, they say there are no such thing as stupid questions, just stupid people.. and thats exactly what the user asked.. so obviously it wasnt obvious to someone |
| 05:10.58 | acidtripper | which version of debian are you using in that pc? |
| 05:11.08 | acidtripper | im arguing about systemd right now |
| 05:11.21 | acidtripper | with some fells to shut lennard :P |
| 05:11.30 | rant | acidtripper: 9.3 Stretch |
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| 05:17.52 | acidtripper | i dont like having 2 kernels, and logging to bins |
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| 05:45.56 | theguyfromthebus | I used nohup "command" &>/dev/null & to run a process in the background. How can I access to this process again? ctrl+z doesn't work through putty |
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| 06:20.02 | lechuck_ | Hi |
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| 06:20.13 | lechuck_ | i have checked spectre/meltdown vulnerabilities |
| 06:20.22 | lechuck_ | on 9.3 upgraded up-to-date |
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| 06:21.10 | lechuck_ | and found is vulnerable to : spectre variant 1 variant 2 |
| 06:21.37 | lechuck_ | just pti is applied? |
| 06:21.51 | lechuck_ | when patches will be applied on stable?? |
| 06:22.15 | lechuck_ | is a huge vulnerabilitie taking into account that most distros are suing 4.14.xx which fix |
| 06:22.15 | wigums | what kernel you running? |
| 06:22.24 | lechuck_ | ibrs |
| 06:22.39 | lechuck_ | 4.9.0-5 |
| 06:22.50 | lechuck_ | the latest for debian 9.3 |
| 06:22.58 | wigums | i believe that kernel addressed variant 2 |
| 06:23.13 | lechuck_ | i checked with some codes i have |
| 06:23.19 | lechuck_ | variant 1 and 2 |
| 06:23.24 | lechuck_ | only is patched for PTI |
| 06:24.02 | lechuck_ | i dont know why kernel is not upgraded on mirrors, taking into account is a serious vuln |
| 06:24.25 | lechuck_ | is just patched for meltdown |
| 06:24.37 | lechuck_ | maybe we cant trust anymore in debian for servers |
| 06:24.55 | wigums | if youre a home user the chance of somene cracking your box to exploit spectre is really low. and theyd have to be able to run code on your box too which is easily taken care of too |
| 06:25.10 | lechuck_ | im talking about servers |
| 06:25.13 | lechuck_ | production servers |
| 06:25.19 | wigums | ah |
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| 06:25.55 | wigums | i should check my debian box then i think |
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| 06:26.06 | lechuck_ | every distro in the world applied patches for spectre... what about debian? why oldish kernel? they don't care anymore about servers? |
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| 06:27.37 | lechuck_ | wigums: i have some code if you want to check |
| 06:27.45 | leahcim | Hi, I'm confused. DSA-4078-1 and the security tracker refers to (for stretch) kernel version 4.9.65-3+deb9u2, however I don't see anything newer than 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 anywhere? |
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| 06:28.23 | lechuck_ | are you using stretch and that's the latest kernel you have installed? |
| 06:28.35 | lechuck_ | maybe my mirror? if fucking me up¿ |
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| 06:29.50 | leahcim | I am using stretch and 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 is the latest version of linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 available. |
| 06:30.39 | lechuck_ | can you check with some code i have if that kernel is patched? |
| 06:30.46 | lechuck_ | i have done apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:30.52 | lechuck_ | and no new kernel :/ |
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| 06:31.27 | lechuck_ | which mirror leahcim |
| 06:31.34 | lechuck_ | ? let me change mirrors |
| 06:31.40 | alkisg | Just check uname -r |
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| 06:32.03 | lechuck_ | 4.9.0-5 i have told |
| 06:32.08 | leahcim | Both http://security.debian.org and http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian-security |
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| 06:33.12 | lechuck_ | i have security.debian.org and mirrirs.dcarsat.com.ar |
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| 06:33.27 | lechuck_ | main and contrib |
| 06:33.42 | lechuck_ | i dont know why newer version doesn't appear |
| 06:33.46 | alkisg | Did you reboot? |
| 06:34.05 | alkisg | ls /boot will tell you if you have any newer and you just didn't reboot |
| 06:34.16 | lechuck_ | of course, reboot, update, upgrade |
| 06:34.30 | lechuck_ | alkisg: ?? i dont have any newer kernel!! |
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| 06:35.04 | lechuck_ | kernel depends on main mirror or on security? |
| 06:35.19 | lechuck_ | im starting to believe my mirror is outdated |
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| 06:35.42 | themill | Perhaps you could pastebin your actual sources.list |
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| 06:36.01 | lechuck_ | themill: give me some seconds |
| 06:36.19 | k_sze[work] | Is /run supposed to be world-read-writable? |
| 06:36.51 | leahcim | Oh, never mind, I found linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 -_-;; |
| 06:37.41 | alkisg | k_sze[work]: no: drwxr-xr-x 35 root root 1,3K Φεβ 11 21:58 /run |
| 06:37.59 | k_sze[work] | alkisg: so what are services that don't run as root supposed to do? |
| 06:38.23 | k_sze[work] | They have to write PID files to /run, too, no? |
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| 06:39.13 | alkisg | k_sze[work]: usually services start as root, create the directories they need, then drop permissions. BUT, there are some world writeable directories like drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 140 Φεβ 4 08:25 /run/lock |
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| 06:40.38 | lechuck_ | themill: https://pastebin.com/bgJgvJM9 |
| 06:41.00 | k_sze[work] | I see. |
| 06:41.06 | k_sze[work] | I'll just /run/lock for now then. |
| 06:41.23 | alkisg | lechuck_: 4.9.0-5 is the latest in stretch, no need to worry about sources |
| 06:41.59 | alkisg | k_sze[work]: you have a service that directly runs as non-root? How is that done? |
| 06:42.11 | themill | lechuck_: make sure you've got linux-image-amd64 installed |
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| 06:42.31 | lechuck_ | themill: dont make loose time, its installed |
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| 06:42.45 | lechuck_ | im not taliokg about that, the thing is that debian is being vulnerable |
| 06:42.54 | lechuck_ | without patches applied |
| 06:43.06 | lechuck_ | maybe i'll start migrating all debians i administrate |
| 06:43.21 | themill | lechuck_: if you want a newer kernel then grab the one from stretch-backports |
| 06:43.24 | lechuck_ | i cant belive they dont take care about securioty |
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| 06:44.02 | lechuck_ | i checked on debian with a script i own, and is vulnerable to 2 variants of spectre |
| 06:44.05 | k_sze[work] | alkisg: su -c as the non-root user. |
| 06:44.24 | k_sze[work] | the service command takes a --pidfile argument to specify the PID file location. |
| 06:44.42 | alkisg | k_sze[work]: well if you're not using a framework to run the service, e.g. sysvinit or systemd, you might as well create the directory yourself, before doing the su switch |
| 06:45.10 | alkisg | mkdir, chown, then su |
| 06:45.15 | k_sze[work] | That could work, tool. |
| 06:45.18 | alkisg | Or touch, chown... |
| 06:45.19 | k_sze[work] | s/tool/too/. |
| 06:45.44 | lechuck_ | so most debian servers around the world are vulnerable... good topic |
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| 06:48.03 | alkisg | lechuck_: while distros that have applied all patches, now face frequent reboots and instability :D |
| 06:48.15 | lechuck_ | as all the distros upgraded and patched kernel.. security people is sleeping, and not much work... just a newer kernel version and configure fix it... |
| 06:48.23 | lechuck_ | no alkisg you'r not in true |
| 06:48.27 | lechuck_ | microcode fails |
| 06:48.30 | lechuck_ | patches no |
| 06:48.31 | alkisg | Tell that to my schools |
| 06:48.35 | alkisg | No. Patches fail. |
| 06:48.41 | alkisg | I reported bugs and some of them got fixed |
| 06:48.42 | themill | Also, Debian can only apply patches that exist. |
| 06:49.04 | themill | There is a newer kernel already available if you want to go that route. |
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| 06:49.16 | lechuck_ | kernel 4.4.18 works great without bugs, in most production servers |
| 06:49.23 | themill | (and that seems like it is a better route) |
| 06:49.43 | alkisg | lechuck_: 4.15 has bugs here |
| 06:49.57 | alkisg | Like, it doesn't even boot in i5 processors |
| 06:50.09 | lechuck_ | apart of debian i administrate slackware servers most of them 14.2, never have any stability or bug issue and is upgraded without vulnerabilities |
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| 06:50.17 | lechuck_ | hahaha, im working with i5 and boots |
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| 06:50.35 | lechuck_ | alkisg: your wrong. microcode is failing not kernel patches |
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| 06:50.49 | alkisg | lechuck_: I did kernel bisection and pinpointed the commit: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198529 |
| 06:51.07 | alkisg | If you can convince me that you are more right than my kernel bisection, ok |
| 06:51.31 | alkisg | Then a proposed fix was suggested, but it's not upstream yet |
| 06:51.52 | lechuck_ | what's the exact error you get? |
| 06:51.59 | alkisg | Immediate reboot |
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| 06:52.05 | alkisg | The kernel doesn't load at all |
| 06:52.19 | lechuck_ | let me go to hexchat couse im in irssi so i can check that link |
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| 06:52.50 | lechuck_ | kernel 4.15 was un stable |
| 06:52.56 | lechuck_ | 4.14.18 is stable now |
| 06:53.03 | alkisg | That was part of the pti fixes |
| 06:53.10 | alkisg | So any kernel that backported them, was unstable |
| 06:53.20 | alkisg | E.g. Ubuntu backported 4.13, that wouldn't boot either |
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| 06:53.36 | lechuck_ | so.. your only idea is to argue.. why debian is vulnerable? |
| 06:53.46 | lechuck_ | as every f*ing distro in the world isnt? |
| 06:53.50 | lechuck_ | good point... |
| 06:54.06 | alkisg | I'm saying that there's a downside to applying patches too soon |
| 06:54.18 | alkisg | I'm not saying that it's a good thing to leave systems insecure |
| 06:54.29 | alkisg | Personally, I'd prefer MORE testing and more delay, before breaking a lot of my schools |
| 06:54.41 | alkisg | Because I had to actually go there in a lot of cases and manually do the downgrade |
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| 06:55.25 | alkisg | It's not fun trying to do lessons to hundreds of schools and see that you can't, because the server got a "security upgrade" and won't boot at all |
| 06:56.15 | lechuck_ | im talking about production servers |
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| 06:56.21 | alkisg | Schools ARE production |
| 06:56.25 | alkisg | We produce humans |
| 06:56.30 | alkisg | :P |
| 06:56.30 | lechuck_ | i know |
| 06:56.52 | lechuck__ | alkisg, pass me thtat link again i'll check it |
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| 06:56.58 | alkisg | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198529 |
| 06:57.00 | lechuck__ | have that kernel was configured? |
| 06:57.06 | lechuck__ | how |
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| 06:57.20 | alkisg | Those schools use ubuntu, and they just got the pti security updates, AUTOMATICALLY |
| 06:57.27 | alkisg | I would wish they'd use debian instead in this case |
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| 06:58.25 | lechuck__ | i run a 3570 running 4.15.1 |
| 06:58.30 | lechuck__ | and works without problem |
| 06:58.38 | alkisg | Because you have vt-d disabled |
| 06:58.41 | alkisg | In bios |
| 06:58.45 | lechuck__ | no |
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| 06:58.58 | lechuck__ | its virtualizing 64bits |
| 06:59.07 | alkisg | Check the second link, cjwatcon identified the exact problem and sent a patch that works |
| 06:59.18 | alkisg | You can read there if and why you are or not affected |
| 06:59.27 | alkisg | *sorry wgrant |
| 06:59.31 | lechuck__ | which link? |
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| 06:59.46 | alkisg | In the last post I made to that bug report, I point to the patch |
| 06:59.55 | alkisg | The kernel maintainer accepted it, now linus need to pull it |
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| 07:00.33 | alkisg | If you're trying to convince me that a lot of my schools didn't call me one day to tell me that their servers no longer booted, you'll fail, because that did happen :) |
| 07:00.50 | alkisg | And I'm just saying that this is one of the downsides. |
| 07:01.03 | alkisg | Security is a must. But applying it too soon may have more severe issues. |
| 07:01.20 | lechuck__ | your misconfiguring something in your kernel |
| 07:01.28 | alkisg | I never configure the kernel |
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| 07:01.35 | alkisg | It's the distro that does it and send updates |
| 07:01.47 | lechuck__ | so they are misconfiguring something |
| 07:01.49 | alkisg | And I just said that, because you were blaming debian and saying "other distros do that" |
| 07:01.54 | alkisg | No |
| 07:01.59 | alkisg | It's a bad kernel commit |
| 07:02.06 | alkisg | That was sent as part of the pti patches |
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| 07:02.20 | alkisg | The person that wrote the pti patch there accepted it |
| 07:02.22 | alkisg | Why can't you? |
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| 07:04.02 | lechuck__ | the thing is why are you using i386 kernel on a 64 bits system? |
| 07:04.14 | alkisg | It's a supported scenario |
| 07:04.27 | alkisg | I have my very specific reasons, which are not related to this discussion |
| 07:04.34 | lechuck__ | which one? |
| 07:04.43 | alkisg | Which reason? |
| 07:04.48 | lechuck__ | yes |
| 07:05.01 | alkisg | I need the server installations as a template to netboot all school clients. Some of them are i386. |
| 07:05.34 | alkisg | There are ways to do things differently, which are way more hard. This is a supported scenario, so I choose to install 32bit kernel on 64bit hardware. |
| 07:05.39 | themill | thinks this discussion stopped being productive (and ontopic!) some time ago |
| 07:05.44 | alkisg | Yeah |
| 07:05.51 | alkisg | Let's stop now :) |
| 07:06.03 | lechuck__ | the ontopic things is that debian is vulnerable |
| 07:06.09 | lechuck__ | and nobody cares... |
| 07:06.44 | alkisg | And I prefer "stable rather than very quick to send security fixes", because I care about my servers; and I'll stop talking about that now :) |
| 07:06.49 | lechuck__ | just silly talking about i386 bug on 64 hard as an argue of being security vulnerable to a well-known hardware bug |
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| 07:08.38 | lechuck__ | is stable, and you use old technology... 10 or more years of 64bits... for people using 32 and argue about stability |
| 07:08.58 | lechuck__ | now you talk about performance and i'll lay of floor laughing |
| 07:09.21 | themill | ... |
| 07:09.32 | alkisg | Now you're just trolling, the kernel still supports 32 bit. I'll politely ignore you, just don't talk to me anymore, address the channel. |
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| 07:10.31 | lechuck__ | what i have to say to channel, is that is un acceptable to dont patch kernel for this issue. |
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| 07:11.01 | themill | lechuck__: now that you've said that 6 times, can we move on? |
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| 07:11.48 | lechuck__ | whit whom we have to talk to include that upgrade? |
| 07:13.20 | lechuck__ | almost every server in the world is patched... and i have to hear about stability?? poor argue, very poor |
| 07:13.50 | themill | You realise that you also need non-existent firmware upgrades too, don't you? |
| 07:14.16 | lechuck__ | i know |
| 07:14.42 | lechuck__ | but its mitigated today with some fixes |
| 07:14.55 | lechuck__ | until decent microcode is launched |
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| 07:19.46 | lechuck__ | last thing i'll mention, talking in an enterpise way debian lost with: redhat, suse, slackware, ubuntu and a large list. they mitigated spectre variant 1 and 2. if you community is happy with that, be happy |
| 07:20.03 | themill | Have you installed the newer kernel package yet? |
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| 07:20.14 | lechuck__ | im not recommending and using debian anymore at least for production |
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| 07:21.37 | lechuck__ | what kernel ? |
| 07:21.54 | first-order | Newest kernel in Backports is 4.14. |
| 07:22.57 | lechuck__ | must be stable, security is a must, not an option |
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| 07:23.27 | first-order | 4.14's officially an LTS kernel as far as kernel.org is concerned. |
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| 07:23.51 | lechuck__ | im talking with boss, for this reason and many more, as systemd we're planning to move slackware, in near future |
| 07:23.52 | rauno | Hi |
| 07:23.54 | themill | That's enough. You've reached the point where you are insisting on things that don't exist and rejecting all solutions that are offered. |
| 07:24.08 | rauno | question about difference in debian 8 and 9 cloud-init user-data file |
| 07:24.15 | themill | By all means change distros. Just stop bleating about it. |
| 07:24.39 | first-order | Newest supported one too, to my knowledge, while 3.2's the oldest supported. |
| 07:24.53 | lechuck__ | just argues. no solutions. |
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| 07:25.07 | themill | you've rejected the solutions you were offered |
| 07:25.23 | themill | If you have constructive things to say, let me know. |
| 07:25.29 | rauno | using same userdata but somewhy doesn't work for debian 8 (works for debian 9)) |
| 07:25.59 | first-order | And for some reason, Slackware seems like a worse solution in a situation like that than Debian. |
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| 07:26.50 | wigums | whats wrong with slackware? |
| 07:27.00 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 07:27.24 | first-order | Don't Debian have some form of official support sub, which I'm uncertain if Slack has or not? |
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| 07:27.53 | first-order | I know for a fact Ubuntu does. |
| 07:27.57 | wigums | slackware has all the stuff |
| 07:28.08 | wigums | <--- slacker |
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| 07:28.41 | first-order | As for RHEL, that's how the product is sold. |
| 07:29.18 | first-order | Although I'm not entirely certain what Debian has to compete with that, nor Slack. |
| 07:30.14 | t3st3r | when debian says "Stable" it means that. even if sometimes it comes with ancient crap, configured system would not fell apart due to changes in new version of program. |
| 07:30.42 | t3st3r | it isn't perfect solution but works for servers and somesuch reasonably |
| 07:30.43 | first-order | Although ironically enough, Stretch has newer software than 16.04. |
| 07:31.17 | t3st3r | then there is testing and backports, so if someone wants debian with more recent SW there are options |
| 07:32.36 | first-order | Although I guess a good compromise would be to run Debian at home, and Ubuntu at work. |
| 07:32.56 | t3st3r | they may or may not be best for particular case but I doubt bitching about it would help much or something |
| 07:33.33 | first-order | Main reason I'm saying that is a lot of basic admin tasks in Debian translate directly into Ubuntu. |
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| 07:33.51 | t3st3r | say I dare to run custom spin-offs of Testing and it works fine for me, as long as I understand it IS testing. |
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| 07:34.27 | first-order | Plus the latter having a known paid support option. |
| 07:34.34 | t3st3r | and ubuntu... ok, I still use it on desktops but honestly their licensing and distro terms suck |
| 07:35.22 | t3st3r | and they have plenty of questionable activity I do not want or need, be it intrusion to privacy or questionable stuff like snap-something |
| 07:36.00 | fonshua_ | does anyone have the deb-src entry for eth? deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian etch main contrib doesn't work |
| 07:36.08 | t3st3r | no way I want my Linux to be yet another windows plagued by dozens of versions of libs nobody going to patch, etc |
| 07:36.44 | first-order | I thought Canonical was generally good about patching their stuff. |
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| 07:37.47 | first-order | I know for a fact RH is due to demands of their primary customerbase. |
| 07:37.52 | t3st3r | they have plenty of scary activity on getting OS updates one shot rather than by package manager, and delivering apps with own instances of libs |
| 07:38.01 | t3st3r | I'm not ok with that at all |
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| 07:38.58 | themill | fonshua_: s/debian-archive/debian/ |
| 07:39.08 | themill | !etch sources.list |
| 07:39.08 | dpkg | well, etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
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| 07:41.53 | EnchanterTim | how can I change mouse pointer speed? |
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| 07:42.46 | Haohmaru | libinput iirc |
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| 07:49.36 | fonshua_ | thanks themill and dpkg |
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| 07:52.06 | rauno | so noone here at the moment has experience with debian cloud-init user data ? |
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| 08:19.40 | hid3 | Greetings everyone. Last night I resized one partition using 'parted'. However, I suspect the write performance is poor. I have checked the partition with 'fdisk' and this is what I see: http://paste.debian.net/1009836/: |
| 08:20.07 | hid3 | to me it looks like the end of partition is not properly aligned. It ends with a number which when added +1 doesn't divide by 2048 |
| 08:20.10 | hid3 | Any comments? |
| 08:20.18 | hid3 | also, how do I fix this using parted? |
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| 08:22.53 | mastermassegiraf | hey there, i have a question concerning the gdm3 greeter theme in debian 9 (gnome desktop) |
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| 08:26.43 | rendar | if i open amule to download files, i get mount.ntfs to stuck to 100% cpu usage and amule not responding anymore because of that, any ideas? |
| 08:26.45 | mastermassegiraf | how do you do it (changing the gdm3 greeter theme in stretch (gnome)) ? editing the /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults seems to have no effect. I am stuck with that for almost two weeks now so if anyone has an idea please tell me :/ |
| 08:26.57 | alkisg | hid3: those are sectors, not bytes |
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| 08:27.22 | alkisg | hid3: you don't need to align them to 2048 |
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| 08:30.53 | t3st3r | rendar> ntfs runs in user-mode (FUSE) and is slow. Amule is probably hashing files and it keeps system quite busy. Most obvious idea I had. |
| 08:31.50 | t3st3r | or you mean ntfs mount attempt itself gets stuck? |
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| 08:32.02 | rendar | it gets stuck |
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| 08:33.38 | alkisg | rendar: the ntfs-3g driver has some 100% cpu usage issues, when used with lots of files/allocations etc. I think they also offer a closed-source, faster version (paid). Otherwise, use some open source file system like ext4... |
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| 08:33.54 | rendar | i know |
| 08:34.02 | rendar | but i cannot move to ext4 right now.. |
| 08:34.15 | t3st3r | maybe ntfs got corrupted if it happens on mount? |
| 08:34.55 | t3st3r | and whatever but I can't recommend ntfs under Linux. NTFS3G is a solution to read data eventually, not to use it daily to store data. |
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| 08:34.59 | alkisg | You can download to ext4, and move the files after they're downloaded |
| 08:36.10 | antoszka | TBH, the ntfs implementation in ntfs3g is *rock* solid. You can safely use it for storing data on a daily basis. |
| 08:36.13 | rendar | i have a ntfs partition, i have to temporarly move data, format to ext4 and then recopy data |
| 08:36.31 | antoszka | You probably have a bigger chance of losing data when shuffling it around. |
| 08:36.48 | antoszka | Rather than writing directly to an ntfs3g-mounted filesystem. |
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| 08:37.18 | rendar | antoszka: i know, but cpu100% usage still is a problem here |
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| 08:38.16 | antoszka | hm, I'm just copying many gigs of data to two ntfs3g partitions, getting about 25% per core per mount. |
| 08:38.39 | rendar | that is 100% for one single core, and it seems it gets stuck someway |
| 08:38.39 | antoszka | far from 100% :) |
| 08:38.40 | alkisg | It's a known issue and it doesn't affect all file operations |
| 08:38.47 | t3st3r | antoszka> is works most of time but woefully slow and cpu hog due to FUSE and could backfire if ntfs volume is imperfect (e.g. damaged) |
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| 08:38.55 | rendar | alkisg it affects my machine |
| 08:39.01 | antoszka | hm |
| 08:39.07 | alkisg | Yes, I'm mainly saying that for antoszka |
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| 08:39.32 | alkisg | Wubi users were affected too; I think it involves big files or lots of allocations/reallocations or something |
| 08:39.33 | antoszka | Understood. |
| 08:39.43 | t3st3r | and there is no really decent tool to scan and fix ntfs volumes under linux to the best of my knowledge |
| 08:39.48 | alkisg | It doesn't always happen though, casual users don't see it |
| 08:40.26 | jolt | Hey ppl! I just tried to apt update on stretch and got this funky message: Err: BZ2_bzread: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_main_i18n_Translation-en.bz2 Read error (-5: DATA_ERROR_MAGIC) |
| 08:40.39 | jolt | For http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main Translation-en |
| 08:40.42 | alkisg | Also if the left side of an ntfs partition gets resized with e.g. gparted... there's a veeery big chance of total file system corruption |
| 08:41.00 | jolt | Can't really see proper solution with my googling, so I thought I ask here |
| 08:41.16 | t3st3r | so whatever but ntfs is something to avoid under Linux to my taste, works far worse than other options |
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| 08:41.49 | alkisg | jolt: try removing all the files under the partial/ directory, and running apt-get update again... |
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| 08:43.04 | jolt | alkisg: Thanks. But I just realized that the URL might have changed, switch to http://security.debian.org/debian-security instead of http://security.debian.org/ |
| 08:43.08 | jolt | Seems to work |
| 08:43.12 | alkisg | Cool |
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| 08:50.28 | cef | mastermassegiraf: /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults only applies when gdm3 runs as root. By default it doesn't run as root anymore, so you want to look in /var/lib/gdm3/ |
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| 08:52.56 | cef | mastermassegiraf: specifically /var/lib/gdm3/greeter-dconf-defaults (note the - instead of a . in the filename) |
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| 08:53.32 | senaps | i have lost my grub, i may have deleted the sector links for it, is there a way to fix it? |
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| 08:54.49 | cef | mastermassegiraf: any luck? |
| 08:55.43 | mastermassegiraf | nope not so far |
| 08:55.45 | bolt | senaps: if your file systems are intact, boot from any installation media, mount your root file system and install grub again |
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| 08:55.56 | cef | mastermassegiraf: did you see my response a few mins ago? |
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| 08:56.55 | mastermassegiraf | had to change networks so no i didnt .... |
| 08:57.01 | cef | mastermassegiraf: /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults only applies when gdm3 runs as root. By default it doesn't run as root anymore, so you want to look in /var/lib/gdm3/ - specifically /var/lib/gdm3/greeter-dconf-defaults (note the - instead of a . in the filename) |
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| 08:57.51 | mastermassegiraf | aye so the changes i make there should do something? |
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| 08:58.30 | cef | mastermassegiraf: and if you used to have the username csmall, then I've been chasing you for 2 weeks without bumping into you with that bit of info. |
| 08:59.11 | cef | mastermassegiraf: if /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults doesn't, then /var/lib/gdm3/greeter-dconf-defaults should be the place. |
| 08:59.53 | mastermassegiraf | aye but i cant read that one. there´s just a bunch of unreadable text (using nano) |
| 09:00.27 | mastermassegiraf | nope mastermassegiraffe since the beginning ^^ |
| 09:00.28 | cef | oh crap |
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| 09:01.23 | cef | seems like it's some sort of binary thing.. ugh.. |
| 09:01.35 | hmpf1 | Hi. Can you help me with a multi-arch build problem? I have a system with SDL 1.2 packages for armhf. When I install them for amd64 then the armhf packages are removed. |
| 09:01.35 | hmpf1 | Where can I find more info about that? |
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| 09:03.35 | cef | mastermassegiraf: seems it's gnome's "binary" version of their settings using dconf or whatever it is... there's gotta be a way to do it.. grrr |
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| 09:05.01 | mastermassegiraf | can i edit it somehow? |
| 09:06.37 | cef | mastermassegiraf: afair you can run commands to change the settings in the file.. just trying to figure that out.. you'd think there'd be a way to have it process /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults into the contents of /var/lib/gdm3/greeter-dconf-defaults or something... |
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| 09:10.19 | mastermassegiraf | aye i just found that the gdm user is named Debian-gdm not gdm |
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| 09:10.43 | mastermassegiraf | i found some gsettings commands that require me to login with that user |
| 09:10.53 | mastermassegiraf | maybe that does someting wish me luck |
| 09:10.57 | cef | mastermassegiraf: ok.. so you've edited /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults ? |
| 09:11.45 | sespiros | why is it not possible to install wine32 on debian stretch?\ |
| 09:11.49 | mastermassegiraf | not now, i follow this tutorial http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/change-gnome-3-login-screen-gdm3.html |
| 09:11.51 | cef | mastermassegiraf: cos to get that processed, you then need to run `dpkg-reconfigure gdm3` as root - see https://wiki.debian.org/GDM for more info. Note that any image needs to be world readable. |
| 09:12.09 | mastermassegiraf | aye |
| 09:12.42 | cef | mastermassegiraf: ok. either way it goes, good luck! |
| 09:12.46 | mastermassegiraf | ty |
| 09:13.04 | cef | mastermassegiraf: anything you edit, keep a backup. ;) |
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| 09:13.46 | mastermassegiraf | sure, thanks for the advice :D |
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| 09:14.03 | mastermassegiraf | restarting to see if it works |
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| 09:20.27 | mastermassegiraf | no luck |
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| 09:25.14 | mastermassegiraf | any other ideas (how to change the greeter theme in debian 9.3 stretch (gnome)? (and thank you a lot cef for your time) |
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| 09:34.28 | first-order | Wonder when Mesa 17.3 will make it to stretch-backports. |
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| 09:40.49 | jim | does debian stretch use glibc? what's the package name? |
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| 09:46.42 | rendar | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz |
| 09:46.56 | rendar | i have just dist-upgraded my debian, is that possible that now libz is vanished?! |
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| 09:55.48 | mastermassegiraf | no progress so far but i found that in /usr/share/gdm there is a generate-config which (just by looking at the code) does something with our /var/lib/gdm3/greeter-dconf-defaults. Any ideas (issue is that i cant change the greeter theme by just editing /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults |
| 09:55.49 | mastermassegiraf | ) |
| 09:56.33 | Iridos | jim, libc6? |
| 09:56.52 | Iridos | rendar, upgraded from what to what and doing what gives you that error |
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| 09:57.48 | rendar | jessie->stretch ony my raspbian, solved it by doing apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
| 09:57.55 | rendar | strange, btw |
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| 10:06.07 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 10:06.07 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 10:16.33 | rendar | ok, sorry |
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| 11:20.02 | RebelCoder | I Love Debian ! |
| 11:20.38 | babilen | dpkg: love |
| 11:20.38 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
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| 11:21.48 | JustASlacker | yay for fortunes |
| 11:22.07 | JustASlacker | The next morning our youth was a |
| 11:22.07 | JustASlacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.07 | JustASlacker | Life is like a bad margarita with good |
| 11:22.07 | JustASlacker | tequila, I thought as I poured whiskey |
| 11:22.07 | JustASlacker | onto my granola and faced a new day. |
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| 11:53.40 | Bushmaster | hello seeking some help, anyone here at this hour? |
| 11:53.59 | Bushmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.21 | Bushmaster | I would appreciate any help to resolve this issue |
| 11:54.26 | shtrb | Bushmaster, there are some, have you tried performing a login via tty ? |
| 11:54.28 | shtrb | or ssh |
| 11:55.14 | Bushmaster | shtrb: thanks, i am not good at command line i am afraid, not sure how to logging in tty |
| 11:56.13 | Bushmaster | my debian is in this same computer i am using now, but it is in different partition where i mostly work but now i am in mint which is another partition and i really need to return to debian |
| 11:56.31 | shtrb | ctrl+alt+f1 (and ctrl+alt+f7 ot F2 to come back to the one with the graphical interface) |
| 11:56.48 | shtrb | does that happen after lockdown ? or first login ? |
| 11:57.33 | Bushmaster | shtrb: it comes as GUI logging in scree which it should do anyway but when i put password on, and i meant correct password, it simply return back to logging screen again |
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| 11:58.20 | shtrb | I understood that part, my question is if that happen right after boot or you are able to login first time and then being locked down |
| 11:58.31 | Bushmaster | any logging screen, for example, GRUB list up set of Linux I have and I choose debian and press enter and it goes to load up debian and logging screen shows up as usual and i put my password and it wont let me in |
| 11:58.43 | shtrb | try nuking ~/.Xauthorithy |
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| 11:59.09 | Bushmaster | right after boot i guess |
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| 11:59.24 | shtrb | login over tty , remove that file , logout , reboot |
| 11:59.37 | Bushmaster | not sure how to perform that command and from where? I am at mint at the moment shtrb but i know which parttion is my debian root |
| 12:00.13 | alkisg | Bushmaster: you can test and change the debian password from mint. Start with: sudo lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 12:00.17 | Bushmaster | i do not think i can perform any of these on my own shtrb is there anyway to solve this issue whilst i am at mint |
| 12:00.20 | shtrb | from mint ,mount the debian system, go to /home/Bushmaster/ , delete filename .Xauthority |
| 12:00.21 | alkisg | This will tell us where your debian is |
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| 12:01.21 | Bushmaster | alkisg: do you want me to perform that command in mint terminal right? |
| 12:01.26 | alkisg | Right |
| 12:01.32 | alkisg | It will output a URL,and you should paste that here |
| 12:01.36 | Bushmaster | just give me a minute |
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| 12:03.28 | Bushmaster | alkisg: it has done yes here is the link http://termbin.com/vwewq |
| 12:04.02 | alkisg | Bushmaster: eeeh too many ext3/ext4 partitions without labels, which one is your debian? |
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| 12:05.24 | Bushmaster | alkisg: its sda10 is debian root partition |
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| 12:07.30 | alkisg | Bushmaster: sudo mount /dev/sda10 /mnt; sudo chroot /mnt; su - bushmaster; this gets you to your account in debian. Now test your password by running again: su - bushmaster |
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| 12:08.36 | Bushmaster | alkisg: I am confused, please one step at a time, you want me to type this one first right sudo mount /dev/sda10 /mnt |
| 12:09.14 | alkisg | Bushmaster: yes, the semicolons mean "press enter there" |
| 12:09.27 | Bushmaster | okay let me do this first command first |
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| 12:10.17 | Bushmaster | alkisg: it returned to prompt now do you want me to perform next command? |
| 12:10.52 | alkisg | Yes |
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| 12:11.33 | Bushmaster | next command take me to to root prompt alkisg and do you want me to perform the next command |
| 12:11.34 | NetTerminalGene | will wayland be default for buster? |
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| 12:12.46 | Bushmaster | alkisg: it says these i will privte you |
| 12:12.47 | BluesKaj | hope not |
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| 12:15.34 | jelly | alkisg: but they already have it mounted elsewhere |
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| 12:16.26 | alkisg | jelly: you're right |
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| 12:17.25 | alkisg | Bushmaster: from ANOTHER terminal run this, so that it's not mounted two times: sudo umount /media/bushcat/aaa2aa7c-0fe7-4fdf-aabf-94f62ba6c52e |
| 12:17.57 | Bushmaster | okay alkisg |
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| 12:22.00 | hotaronohanako | hi guys |
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| 12:27.18 | Bushmaster | alkisg: what next |
| 12:27.35 | alkisg | Bushmaster: now you know your password works fine |
| 12:27.45 | alkisg | And you didn't change it etc |
| 12:28.17 | alkisg | Now type exit many times until the terminal gets closed |
| 12:28.25 | alkisg | Then open a new terminal, and type: sudo umount /mnt |
| 12:28.50 | alkisg | And after that,you'll be back to where you were before, but now you know that your password works, and something else is the issue |
| 12:29.14 | alkisg | Your HOME is not on sda10, so you need to find in which partition it is, if you want to test deleting .Xauthority |
| 12:29.53 | alkisg | But I need to leave now, so someone else might be able to help on where your HOME is etc |
| 12:30.10 | Bushmaster | right okay |
| 12:30.13 | Bushmaster | thanks anyhow |
| 12:30.17 | alkisg | np |
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| 12:30.45 | Bushmaster | if you anyone can help me to delete files from ver log that would solve the problem i think |
| 12:34.04 | shtrb | how is /var/log related to his issue ? |
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| 12:43.40 | sespiros | anyone else having problems installing wine32 on debian stretch?\ |
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| 12:51.14 | mcnesium | https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/solution-client-with-the-currently-selected-authenticator-does-not-support-any-combination-of-challenges-that-will-satisfy-the-ca/49983 |
| 12:51.17 | mcnesium | If you have installed Certbot from your OS package manager (that is, if you use the certbot or letsencrypt commands rather than certbot-auto), version 0.21.0 probably isnât available yet. You should encourage the Certbot package maintainers for your system to provide a newer version. |
| 12:51.39 | mcnesium | what is the proper way to encourage the debian package maintainers to provide a newer version? |
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| 12:58.30 | iflema | mcnesium: become your own? It is possible (likely trivial) to package it yourself... but may not be. |
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| 13:00.21 | iflema | from what i recall new versions dont just get dropped... there is a "snapshot" and thats it bar security fixes |
| 13:03.31 | mcnesium | from what I understand in this article this is a security update of certbot, right? |
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| 13:04.50 | babilen | mcnesium: Write a bug report |
| 13:04.57 | babilen | dpkg: reportbug |
| 13:04.58 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
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| 13:05.09 | babilen | (feel free to mention it to me, I'd be interested) |
| 13:05.24 | babilen | judd: v dehydrated |
| 13:05.25 | judd | Package: dehydrated on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.3.1-3+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.3.1-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 0.5.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.5.0-1; sid: 0.5.0-1 |
| 13:05.38 | babilen | mcnesium: I'm super happy with dehydrated from stretch-backports, fwiw |
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| 13:09.47 | mcnesium | babilen: does this work in parallel with certbot? i mean, will it know the certs being in /etc/letsencrypt/ with the same symlink structure etc? |
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| 13:18.13 | `ajven | hello when I want to build my own .iso with I am using command " /build.sh --distribution light --variant lxde --arch amd64 --verbose" but I am taking error "chroot: failed to run command â/usr/bin/envâ: No such file or directory" any idea what is wrong ?? |
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| 13:23.18 | babilen | mcnesium: It's an alternative to certbot that I found to be easier to use and configure |
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| 13:24.07 | hicks_ | I use dehydrated to do the dns-01 auth for internal systems too. It's a nice little util. |
| 13:25.02 | mcnesium | babilen: sure that. was thinking whether I can just install and use that instead of certbot or if it needs to reconfigure my ~20 running sites |
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| 13:28.53 | babilen | mcnesium: I guess you'd have to reconfigure it. Which webserver are you using? |
| 13:29.02 | mcnesium | apache |
| 13:29.21 | likcoras | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en#idm46300556393152 says that populating /dev depends on a few things... Do I need to worry about it if I plan on letting udev handle it? Do I need to do anything in particular to let udev handle it? |
| 13:29.21 | babilen | It comes with a "reload apache" hook, so that's easy to automate |
| 13:29.53 | babilen | You literally just have to tell it how to auth, the domains and run it |
| 13:30.06 | mcnesium | does it mess up the site config files just as bad as certbot does? :D i'd rather do this by hand |
| 13:30.25 | babilen | It doesn't touch your site configuration |
| 13:30.55 | babilen | I was primarily referring to automatic renewals |
| 13:31.38 | mcnesium | ok well thx for pointing me to this, i will check it out sometime but for now i just went with stoping apache, having certbot spin up a tempserver for the validation and then restarting apache |
| 13:31.52 | hicks_ | The way I set mine up was manually doing the configs and pointing them to whereever I want the keys. Then setup dehydrated to deploy keys to that same location and reload the service, or restart if reload isnt' supported. |
| 13:32.02 | babilen | With nginx you just add a "location /.well-known/acme-challenge { alias /var/lib/dehydrated/acme-challenges; }" config block |
| 13:32.20 | babilen | Haven't looked into Apache (mostly use nginx) |
| 13:32.57 | babilen | But it comes with an automagic apache module, so that should be even easier. And then you just run a cronjob with "renew" and the reload hook in place and it just does the right thing⢠|
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| 13:34.34 | shtrb | how can I disable domain name resultion in bash ? ping freenod<TAB> give me an option freenode.info ? |
| 13:34.52 | shtrb | I don't know even where to search for such a feature |
| 13:35.14 | babilen | tab autocomplete settings/framework would be an idea |
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| 13:38.23 | shtrb | Is that a normal feature ? |
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| 13:40.39 | jelly | shtrb: maybe you have bash-completion package installed |
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| 13:41.50 | shtrb | so it seems, I have just never seen that feature before |
| 13:42.06 | towo^work | bash-completion has no completions for domain names |
| 13:42.21 | towo^work | and btw, never heared, bash would complete ping foo |
| 13:42.40 | gpunk | could be invented :p |
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| 13:43.12 | towo^work | it completes only names, if they are in /etc/hosts |
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| 13:45.08 | `ajven | hello when I want to build my own .iso with I am using command " /build.sh --distribution light --variant lxde --arch amd64 --verbose" but I am taking error "chroot: failed to run command â/usr/bin/envâ: No such file or directory" any idea what is wrong ?? |
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| 13:47.05 | shtrb | towo^work, well you had been correct, it seems that I had banned www.facebook.com here |
| 13:47.05 | shtrb | thanks ! |
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| 14:58.33 | adriano | hi |
| 14:58.50 | adriano | anyone is good in python here ? |
| 14:59.32 | babilen | adriano: You might be looking for #python -- But then: Just ask your real question |
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| 16:18.30 | wr | when will debian jessie have new kernel 4.14 released? |
| 16:18.49 | greycat | is... this a joke? |
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| 16:19.28 | Amnesia | question, I'm trying to make use of /etc/ldap/ldap.conf, to set TLS info, but ldapsearch doesn't even to open the file (I checked using [s|l]trace) |
| 16:19.31 | greycat | Why would jessie get a backported kernel from TWO releases in its future? |
| 16:19.41 | Amnesia | what am I missing out? |
| 16:19.52 | greycat | Why would someone who needs a kernel from the future be running OLDstable? |
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| 16:20.25 | tw | sloppy backports time traveler. |
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| 16:20.59 | tw | (afaik, kernels aren't in backports-sloppy) |
| 16:21.10 | wr | greycat, thanks, its on backports |
| 16:21.31 | greycat | Generally speaking, the *-backports has kernels from ONE release in the future, not TWO releases. |
| 16:21.34 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 16:21.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
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| 16:24.50 | wr | greycat, if i upgrade the kernel will a realtek rtl8822be work? |
| 16:25.52 | greycat | I know nothing about that specific device. Ask the whole channel, not me. |
| 16:26.27 | greycat | Insisting on running oldstable on a desktop/laptop/whatever seems really bizarre, by the way. |
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| 16:29.38 | shtrb | wr, bug 885016 |
| 16:29.46 | shtrb | #885016 |
| 16:29.47 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/885016 in firmware-realtek (open): «firmware-realtek: Missing firmware rtlwifi: rtl8822be»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-12-22; last modified: 2017-12-22. |
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| 16:30.30 | lapyo | hi, I dunno how to install npm on debian 9.3, quick search engine searches suggest adding a PPA but they're from 2017 summer and that doesn't seem to be the right way |
| 16:30.52 | shtrb | !ubuntu |
| 16:30.52 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 16:31.03 | shtrb | ppa is ubuntu |
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| 16:31.20 | tw | lapyo: there's no npm in stable, you have to add external repos or install from source if you want to work with it. |
| 16:31.24 | wr | greycat, not insisting, haven't had much time... |
| 16:31.43 | wr | shtrb, only depends on firmware then? |
| 16:32.02 | lapyo | weird, iirc deb8 had it in the main repos |
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| 16:32.38 | tw | lapyo: you're correct, and it was dropped in stretch because it was never up to date. |
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| 16:33.09 | lapyo | ah makes sense |
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| 16:33.16 | lapyo | thanks for the help anyway |
| 16:34.26 | shtrb | wr, there are comments that 4.14 might also support it |
| 16:34.58 | tw | wr: you need both the driver and the firmware file to start the device. |
| 16:35.06 | wr | shtrb, maybe i have to give it a shot and test if it goes |
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| 16:35.46 | wr | tw, being the driver the firmware-realtek package? |
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| 16:36.51 | embden | Hello all, will debian participate in GSoC this year? |
| 16:39.09 | tw | wr: according to that bug report, rtl8822be isn't in any version firmware-realtek |
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| 16:40.10 | wr | tw, yes, i read that too before, so will it be this http://www.realtek.com.tw/DOWNLOADS/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=7&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3 ? |
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| 16:41.21 | Amnesia | question, when asterisk should authenticate with a LDAP server using TLS, what's the best way to set the client certificate/key, since the daemon's ran by a user, that doesn't have a homedir? |
| 16:41.25 | Amnesia | (I need to set TLS_[KEY|CERT], which is usually done through ~/.ldaprc) |
| 16:41.26 | Amnesia | I'm thinking of changing the OS's systemd service file, to add an ENV var, but that's kinda nasty.. |
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| 16:49.34 | tw | Amnesia: search for "drop-in" directory https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html |
| 16:50.15 | tw | Basically creates some local-override files you can include without mangling the package managed version. |
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| 16:59.04 | Amnesia | thanks |
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| 17:15.14 | damiano | Hello, can someone tell me where I can look up whether or not my last debian shutdown was clean? I'm using headless Virtualbox VMs on macOS, and I'm trying to find out if Virtualbox shuts down the machines cleanly. |
| 17:15.33 | damiano | Do I use the program "last" in Debian for this, or do I look somewhere else? |
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| 17:27.01 | jhutchins | damiano: /var/log/syslog would be a good place to look. You can watch the console in VirtualBox to see if it does a proper shutdown. |
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| 17:28.07 | jhutchins | damiano: Why do you suspect it might not be "clean"? |
| 17:28.08 | damiano | No, I actually can't watch the console, because the VM is headless, and I'm trying to find out if the VM is properly shut down while the host is being shut down. Though, there might be some Virtualbox log files that I can have a look at. |
| 17:28.22 | damiano | Well, because macOS is very impatient during shutdown. |
| 17:28.43 | damiano | Some of my VMs have containers inside them, that are then shutdown. So, a VM might take 15 seconds for a shutdown. |
| 17:28.54 | damiano | I don't think macOS waits that long before a sigkill. |
| 17:29.04 | damiano | And, they deliberately don't document how long the grace period is. |
| 17:29.46 | damiano | The official Virtualbox autostart/autoshutdown script also seems to be a bit of a hack. |
| 17:30.04 | damiano | Essentially, it logs into every user account one by one, and shuts down the autostarted VMs per user. |
| 17:30.11 | damiano | Using "su". |
| 17:30.56 | damiano | And there are a lot of (system) user account to go through. Which makes the complete VM shutdown procedure even longer. |
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| 17:32.10 | damiano | jhutchins: In /var/log/syslog, what am I looking for exactly? |
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| 17:32.17 | damiano | Messages by kernel, or systemd? |
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| 17:36.01 | damiano | jhutchins: syslog isn't really too helpful. |
| 17:36.14 | damiano | These are the last few and the first few lines of a reboot cycle: |
| 17:36.15 | damiano | Feb 12 18:33:24 transit-d9 systemd[1]: Stopping OpenNTPd Network Time Protocol... |
| 17:36.15 | damiano | Feb 12 18:33:24 transit-d9 systemd[1]: Stopping D-Bus System Message Bus... |
| 17:36.15 | damiano | Feb 12 18:33:24 transit-d9 systemd[1]: Stopping Unattended Upgrades Shutdown... |
| 17:36.15 | damiano | Feb 12 18:33:24 transit-d9 systemd[1]: Stopping System Logging Service... |
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| 17:36.42 | greycat | damiano: use http://paste.debian.net/ or other sites |
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| 17:37.06 | damiano | Very sensitive auto-kicker you have here... |
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| 17:37.50 | damiano | At any rate, I can tell that the VM performs a shutdown, but with /var/log/syslog I can't really be sure the shutdown completes. |
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| 18:18.57 | jhutchins | damiano: I would expect that if it runs shutdown, it would wait for the system to issue a "HALT" to the APCI and close the VM at that point. |
| 18:19.34 | jhutchins | damiano: Do you have any actual concerns about anything not being properly shut down, or are you just looking for potential problems? |
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| 19:07.55 | likcoras | What's the proper way to do complex disk partitioning during installation? Instead of the "graphical" disk partitioner, is there a way to do it manually from a shell and then let the installer take it from there? |
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| 19:09.20 | shtrb | likcoras, there is "manual" option |
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| 19:10.28 | likcoras | Yeah, but it doesn't quite do what I want. I'm trying to experiment with lvm striping and such. |
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| 19:11.59 | likcoras | I wonder if I can trick it by partitioning it from a live system and using the installer just to specify mount points. |
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| 19:12.36 | shtrb | I think that can be done |
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| 19:16.41 | xqb | I find it very valuable, it helps me automate installing some programs |
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| 19:23.39 | pyvpx | how does one use virtio-modules package? am I correct in understanding the default debian amd64 stretch installer(s) do not include virtio drivers? |
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| 19:26.59 | towo` | pyvpx, kidding? |
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| 19:28.25 | pyvpx | towo`: I'm an openbsd user...so, no? :p |
| 19:28.44 | towo` | then read the discription of that "package" |
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| 19:29.24 | pyvpx | using any debian install iso, but specifically the 9.3 netinstall one, claims it cannot find the CD-ROM drive. I've been informed by others that's because the virtio drivers aren't included. |
| 19:29.33 | pyvpx | and my hypervisor relies exclusively on virtio devices. |
| 19:30.12 | pyvpx | towo`: "This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only" |
| 19:30.21 | towo` | i can read |
| 19:30.37 | pyvpx | does that mean it is built by default? |
| 19:30.41 | pyvpx | or must I build my own? |
| 19:30.57 | pyvpx | so can I, and it's unclear to me. hence why I'm asking |
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| 19:49.47 | pr0tocol | pyvpx: Have you looked at this page to see if it answers your question? https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/%5Bsolved%5D-how-do-i-use-virtio-drivers-in-debian-in-a-kvm-virtual-machine-4175442186/ |
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| 19:58.14 | pyvpx | pr0tocol: yeah, I saw that. I'm not using qemu, so my misunderstanding comes as to where is the appropriate place to put that virtio flag |
| 19:58.18 | pyvpx | s/put/pass |
| 19:59.29 | pr0tocol | pyvpx: I see what you're saying. sorry I can't provide more useful info |
| 19:59.52 | pyvpx | no worries. appreciate it nonetheless :) |
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| 20:00.40 | FollowMeDown | hi all |
| 20:01.09 | FollowMeDown | how can i get kernel of debian 8 on github? |
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| 20:11.35 | somiaj | FollowMeDown: what do you mean by 'get a kernel on github'? |
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| 20:12.49 | somiaj | pyvpx: how are you making the install image/iso you have available to the vm? What exact image are you using? |
| 20:14.27 | annadane | you don't need to get any kernels off github, nor should you use a jessie kernel for stretch |
| 20:14.34 | annadane | !xy problem |
| 20:14.34 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 20:16.57 | pyvpx | somiaj: I am using debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso. and as my hypervisor only supports serial console, I change the boot parameters as such. it does not detect the CD-ROM drive. it's been suggested to me, that is because the virtio drivers are not included/loaded by default. |
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| 20:17.19 | pyvpx | I was hoping to confirm that either a) virtio is *not* included or b) they are, and I need to pass something to load them |
| 20:17.21 | FollowMeDown | i meen source code! |
| 20:17.42 | pyvpx | pass or edit. I've successfully edited and rebuilt debian installer isos :-) |
| 20:17.50 | annadane | i think snapshots.debian.org should have that? |
| 20:18.06 | annadane | sorry, snapshot.debian.org |
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| 20:18.16 | annadane | though it redirects regardless |
| 20:18.46 | somiaj | pyvpx: ahh this is most likely that the debian images are hybrid and both efi and legacy boot, If you start messing with how the image boots, you'll get that error. |
| 20:19.14 | somiaj | pyvpx: you may want to read the install guide on creating an install image using the 'flexiable' method, this uses syslinux and is much better at booting in strange ways. |
| 20:20.24 | somiaj | pyvpx: that same error would happen for people who use unetbootin/rufus or other tools like that, the installer is very versitle, but also very finiky and slightly changing how it boots seems to cause it to not find itself as a cdrom image (since it assumes it is a cdrom) |
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| 20:22.13 | annadane | it's possible that the jessie kernel is on github though it may not be precisely the same one, debian typically doesn't put kernels on github and there are probably modifications from upstream regardless |
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| 20:23.06 | pyvpx | somiaj: I did create the ISO file with the isolinux.bin and /usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isohdpfx.bin as the -isohybrid-mbr |
| 20:23.29 | annadane | oh, they left |
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| 20:23.50 | annadane | i was going to say https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-amd64 - it's in jessie so snapshots aren't necessary |
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| 20:33.14 | DemolitionMan|2 | hi |
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| 20:34.27 | pyvpx | somiaj: I just tried my luck with the hd-image/boot.img.gz (gunzip'd, of course) and it exhibits the same behavior :\ |
| 20:34.28 | DemolitionMan|2 | I'm running stretch 9.3 with kde on amd64 I have a problem running skype for linux 64: "Unable to sign in, please check in your internet connection and try again" |
| 20:34.35 | DemolitionMan|2 | please help |
| 20:34.37 | DemolitionMan|2 | thanks |
| 20:35.07 | pyvpx | DemolitionMan|2: you've verified your internet connection works? are you behind a firewall? does skype work on any other machines on your local network? |
| 20:35.35 | DemolitionMan|2 | it worker before I updated it |
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| 20:35.41 | DemolitionMan|2 | it worked |
| 20:36.07 | annadane | that's probably a question you could ask in a skype specific irc channel |
| 20:36.15 | DemolitionMan|2 | no answer |
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| 20:36.28 | DemolitionMan|2 | they didn't know how to fix it |
| 20:36.34 | annadane | well, we're unlikely to know either, and skype isn't packaged for debian |
| 20:36.48 | annadane | but whatever, i'll leave it alone and if anyone knows they can answer |
| 20:36.55 | DemolitionMan|2 | I downloaded the .deb from their site |
| 20:37.26 | annadane | yes, which is not packaged for debian... even if it is it'd be in non-free which is not debian software |
| 20:37.28 | annadane | ,v skype |
| 20:37.29 | judd | No package named 'skype' was found in amd64. |
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| 20:39.10 | annadane | debian recommends against installing .deb files from the internet, anyway |
| 20:39.37 | hypn0 | https://wiki.debian.org/skype ? |
| 20:40.08 | annadane | eh... fair point |
| 20:40.19 | annadane | anyway, i'll shut up as i'm not helping the issue |
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| 20:40.38 | pyvpx | somiaj: fyi, booting netboot/mini.iso works just fine. any idea why that might be? |
| 20:40.47 | pyvpx | or where I can find more information to understand why that is the case |
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| 20:42.34 | DemolitionMan|2 | hypn0: not my case |
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| 20:57.54 | x54806b45 | i'm having some difficulty installing python3.6 |
| 20:58.26 | x54806b45 | i have testing in my sources.list, but i have it pinned to lower priority than stable |
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| 20:59.15 | x54806b45 | i can't seem to generate the magic invocation which doesn't say something like "unmet dependencies" |
| 20:59.37 | x54806b45 | stuff like this: `python3.6 : Depends: python3.6-minimal (= 3.6.4-3) but it is not going to be installed` |
| 20:59.48 | x54806b45 | i'm sure it's right under my nose, anyone know what i should do? |
| 20:59.58 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: you've got pinned packages maybe? |
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| 21:00.14 | tomorrow__ | that prevent your dependencies from installing? |
| 21:00.39 | tomorrow__ | Read up on apt-pinning |
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| 21:00.59 | x54806b45 | tomorrow__: that's probably right, I've pinned stable * at 900 and i've pinned testing * at 750 to prefer stable |
| 21:01.05 | x54806b45 | that's usually working correctly |
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| 21:01.26 | x54806b45 | in this case, I thought that I would simply say `-t testing`, but that's not helping. what am i missing? |
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| 21:02.04 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: do you have any specific packages pinned |
| 21:02.09 | greycat | !frankendebian |
| 21:02.10 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 21:02.24 | x54806b45 | i know i know, i've gotten the lecture before |
| 21:02.57 | x54806b45 | i'm sorrya bout frankendebian but I sometimes need packages which aren't in stable even though i don't want to have to run a testing system |
| 21:03.02 | x54806b45 | this is an example of such a case |
| 21:03.11 | greycat | Then you use backports. |
| 21:03.12 | x54806b45 | i'd like to install python3.6 but it's not in stable |
| 21:03.20 | greycat | ,v python3.6 |
| 21:03.21 | judd | Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster: 3.6.4-3; sid: 3.6.4-3 |
| 21:03.25 | tomorrow__ | backports |
| 21:03.30 | greycat | ,checkbackport python3.6 |
| 21:03.31 | judd | Backporting package python3.6 in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 21:03.42 | tomorrow__ | https://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 21:03.46 | greycat | x54806b45: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 21:04.48 | tomorrow__ | Do any of you guys use unattended upgrades for production servers? |
| 21:05.09 | x54806b45 | so, i'm normally quite happy with /preferences.d/stable.pref saying "Package: *\nPin: release a=stable\nPin-priority: 900" |
| 21:05.25 | x54806b45 | and for testing, I have the same thing but Pin-priority:750 |
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| 21:05.35 | tomorrow__ | To the best of my knowledge, I believe it restarts daemons, which is a big no no for me |
| 21:05.49 | x54806b45 | i can usually happily install a firefox from this decade with "apt-get install -t testing firefox" |
| 21:06.02 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:06.15 | x54806b45 | but what you guys are saying is happening here is that python3.6 had dendencies which are blocked by my pinning and aren't overridden by my -t option? |
| 21:06.22 | x54806b45 | i'm just trying to understand the scenario. |
| 21:06.34 | greycat | Just. FUCKING. RUN. TESTING. |
| 21:06.35 | greycat | Jesus. |
| 21:06.45 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: check if you have specific packages pinned |
| 21:07.06 | tomorrow__ | I got some package pinned by apt-listbugs by mistake once |
| 21:07.09 | x54806b45 | cool, greycat, great idea! I'll run a whole different distro because I want a recent firefox. Makes total sense! |
| 21:07.20 | tomorrow__ | and it took me a while to figure it out |
| 21:07.25 | tomorrow__ | got the same error as you |
| 21:07.56 | x54806b45 | s/distro/release/ |
| 21:08.03 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: just download the tar.gz from mozilla.org, create a firefox.desktop file |
| 21:08.06 | tomorrow__ | and voila |
| 21:08.26 | greycat | Why do that when he could KNOWINGLY BREAK his packaging system instead! |
| 21:08.33 | greycat | What's the fun in having a thing that WORKS. |
| 21:08.51 | x54806b45 | tomorrow__: my prefs file is as above, with a star on packages and the pin priority as said above. |
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| 21:09.22 | x54806b45 | greycat: when you're ready, go ahead and write me up the snarky message describing why apt-pinning is for assholes or whatever, i can take it. |
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| 21:10.33 | x54806b45 | greycat: nevermind that i've been running this exact setup for 5 years with exactly one issue, which is the one im describing now. i live in a broken world of frankendebian because i have installed firefox from debian/testing, go ahead and shoot me already. |
| 21:11.22 | x54806b45 | i show up to an irc to try to understand better how the system works and i just get flack because someone on the internet is so sure that "YOU'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT" |
| 21:11.38 | x54806b45 | so, now that we're done with the yelling, maybe we could go back to pinning and how it works? |
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| 21:12.10 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: sorry, didn't get the message about the config file and I gtg soon |
| 21:12.21 | tomorrow__ | it's definitely an issue with apt-pinning though |
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| 21:13.46 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: as I said, you're probably better off downloading the tar.gz from Mozilla and installing that manually |
| 21:13.50 | x54806b45 | yah, so i guess the deal is that you can say `apt-get install -t $RELEASE package` but choosing that particular RELEASE doesn't recurse into dependencies? |
| 21:14.00 | x54806b45 | tomorrow__: firefox is working fine |
| 21:14.05 | x54806b45 | this is about python3.6 |
| 21:14.20 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: why don't you use backports |
| 21:14.21 | x54806b45 | and yah, it seems like i'm better off downloading python3.6 from source and building it |
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| 21:14.52 | x54806b45 | tomorrow__: i can check that out, i guess i came here trying to understand why -t testing doesn't work. I'm not sure I'm any closer to that. |
| 21:15.04 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: afaik, packages installed from backports will upgrade cleanly |
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| 21:15.11 | tomorrow__ | on a major version upgrade |
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| 21:15.27 | tomorrow__ | can't say the same about testing or unstable |
| 21:16.15 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: I believe it does recurse into dependencies |
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| 21:16.32 | tomorrow__ | did you check why the dependency wouldn't install? |
| 21:16.43 | tomorrow__ | maybe it has more dependencies down the chain |
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| 21:17.11 | tomorrow__ | and one of the packages doesn't exist or conflicts with something |
| 21:17.14 | x54806b45 | tomorrow__: is there some option for apt-get which provides that info? |
| 21:17.25 | x54806b45 | i'm just seeing 'depends on x but x isn't going to be installed' |
| 21:17.33 | RoyK | mixing testing and stable will make your head ache |
| 21:17.37 | RoyK | use backports |
| 21:17.47 | tomorrow__ | x54806b45: not that I know of, last time I went down the rabbit hole by checking the whole chain of dependencies one by one |
| 21:17.54 | RoyK | mixing sid and stable will make your head explode |
| 21:17.58 | bites | -t increases the priority for the archive for dependencies too. the dependency probably conflicts with something you have already installed. |
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| 21:18.33 | x54806b45 | bites: thanks! |
| 21:18.52 | RoyK | hell - this package is available for centos in a custom package - just rpm -i it in debian! |
| 21:18.56 | x54806b45 | is it possible to have apt cough-up exactly where the conflict is? |
| 21:19.05 | RoyK | something like using webmin ;) |
| 21:19.08 | RoyK | !webmin |
| 21:19.08 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 21:19.45 | bites | x54806b45: try aptitude why-not <package> |
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| 21:21.31 | RoyK | do anyone use aptitude anymore? |
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| 21:21.42 | x54806b45 | i just installed it. |
| 21:21.46 | greycat | ,popcon aptitude |
| 21:21.47 | judd | Popcon data for aptitude: inst: 143170, vote: 26279, old: 107036, recent: 9771, nofiles: 84 |
| 21:21.58 | x54806b45 | and i added stable-backports |
| 21:22.37 | x54806b45 | still not able to install python3.6: sudo apt-get install -t stretch-backports python3.6: python3.6 : Depends: python3.6-minimal (= 3.6.4-3) |
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| 21:23.32 | bites | there is no python3.6 in stretch-backports |
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| 21:23.44 | bites | ,v python3.6 |
| 21:23.45 | judd | Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster: 3.6.4-3; sid: 3.6.4-3 |
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| 21:23.48 | greycat | But checkbackports said it was OK. |
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| 21:23.57 | greycat | We already went down this path. |
| 21:23.57 | x54806b45 | oh, from all the hollering above, I thought otherwise |
| 21:24.34 | greycat | If checkbackports is lying, then just build it from upstream into /usr/local or /opt and voila. |
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| 21:24.56 | x54806b45 | yah, greycat, that seems to be the only option. |
| 21:25.25 | x54806b45 | you're not going to be beat me up for installing from source when i could just run another OS that JUST FUCKING WORKS or whatever? |
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| 21:26.51 | annadane | i use aptitude but i'm in sid so it doesn't count :D |
| 21:27.07 | annadane | (though these days i barely use it for that anyway) |
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| 21:31.03 | somiaj | pyvpx: I don't really know the details in the hybrid images debian makes, I just know they are both powerful (usb/cdrom ready, legacy/efi ready) and in essese they treat the image as a cdrom. This is powerful in it works on lots and lots of machines and mediums. It is finky, it changing how it boots can cause it to not find the cdrom or cause other issues. |
| 21:31.26 | somiaj | pyvpx: you can maybe read up on the debian-installer or ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net, they may have more details in the the specifics of the images. |
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| 21:38.06 | oo_miguel | I did "apt install sendmail", and a few minutes later: "apt purge sendmail" AND "apt autoremove"... why sendmail-bin shows up as installed,automatic? |
| 21:38.08 | pyvpx | somiaj: thanks for the channel suggestion. I definitely will ask over there. |
| 21:38.12 | oo_miguel | I expected it to be removed |
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| 21:38.46 | RoyK | I've seen several people asking for python 3.6 |
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| 21:38.53 | RoyK | what's the big deal, really? |
| 21:39.15 | RoyK | are there some major changes in 3.6 that's not in 3.5? |
| 21:39.24 | greycat | It's 2.8% higher than 3.5! |
| 21:39.43 | RoyK | hehe |
| 21:40.17 | x54806b45 | Royk: I'm facing a codebase that uses `yield` inside async routines: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0525/ |
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| 21:43.26 | RoyK | x54806b45: I see |
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| 21:44.13 | RoyK | x54806b45: I usually prefer to use a VM (docker or otherwise) for things that needs SNS |
| 21:44.17 | RoyK | !sns |
| 21:44.17 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 21:46.07 | x54806b45 | RoyK: good point. As someone who happily runs debian-stable (modulo firefox from testing), I don't think I suffer too terribly from SNS. |
| 21:46.21 | oo_miguel | can I remove packages marked as [installed,automatic] that nothing depends on? |
| 21:46.30 | oo_miguel | how can I do this easily? |
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| 21:47.13 | annadane | apt autoremove |
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| 21:47.25 | oo_miguel | this does not work, as expected |
| 21:47.29 | oo_miguel | i installed sendmail.. |
| 21:47.32 | RoyK | oo_miguel: if they are installed as dependencies for a package installed, you can't |
| 21:47.50 | RoyK | sendmail is so 1998 ;) |
| 21:47.50 | oo_miguel | i apt installed sendmail, and apt purged it afterwards |
| 21:48.16 | oo_miguel | and apt autremove does not get rid of all its dependancies :( |
| 21:48.25 | hotaronohanako | omg sendmail |
| 21:48.25 | oo_miguel | like sendmail-bin, sednmail-base etc |
| 21:48.37 | greycat | oo_miguel: and what happened when you ran "apt autoremove"? |
| 21:48.44 | tomorrow__ | Ok, let me try this again: do you guys enable unattended-upgrades on servers? Any things to keep in mind? |
| 21:48.48 | oo_miguel | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 21:49.29 | oo_miguel | maybe they are some cyclic dependnacies? or should autoremove resolve this too? |
| 21:49.42 | oo_miguel | if two autamtaiccly installed packages depend on each other? |
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| 21:50.59 | RoyK | oo_miguel: have you installed another MTA? |
| 21:51.00 | kion | checking out my syslog found this "CRON[1761]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1)" what is that? |
| 21:51.11 | oo_miguel | RoyK: no |
| 21:51.12 | tomorrow__ | kion: sar |
| 21:51.25 | tomorrow__ | sysstat |
| 21:51.27 | RoyK | oo_miguel: perhaps do that - like postfix - you'll want an MTA |
| 21:51.33 | kion | tomorrow__, sar??? |
| 21:51.40 | RoyK | !sysstat |
| 21:51.52 | RoyK | well, google it |
| 21:51.55 | RoyK | it's rather nice |
| 21:52.07 | tomorrow__ | kion: system stats collector |
| 21:52.15 | RoyK | or try to run "sar" from the commandline |
| 21:52.21 | tomorrow__ | it runs every 10 minutes |
| 21:52.24 | oo_miguel | RoyK: hmm but this does not really answer my original question.. why installing some package, purging it, and doing apt remove.. leaves me with 10 usless packages :P |
| 21:52.33 | oo_miguel | aehm autoremove |
| 21:52.35 | greycat | oo_miguel: it's not supposed to. |
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| 21:53.11 | oo_miguel | just installed "deborphan" but this does not report antything either |
| 21:53.19 | RoyK | oo_miguel: normally it cleans up well - but then - perhaps a package is defunct and leaves KILOBYTESÂ OFÂ WASTEDÂ SPACE |
| 21:53.32 | RoyK | oo_miguel: file a bug |
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| 21:54.17 | RoyK | oo_miguel: perhaps someone can help you regain those 250kB or so |
| 21:54.34 | oo_miguel | RoyK: I do not worry about the space |
| 21:54.46 | oo_miguel | just about a broken tool |
| 21:54.57 | oo_miguel | which does not do what I expect it to do |
| 21:55.08 | RoyK | probably just a bad package |
| 21:55.13 | RoyK | apt purge <package> |
| 21:55.19 | RoyK | should work |
| 21:55.21 | greycat | oo_miguel: have you tried "aptitude why sendmail-bin" yet? |
| 21:55.27 | oo_miguel | yeah, I can purge the packatges be hand |
| 21:55.54 | oo_miguel | greycat: RoyK: ooh, seems to be my fault: |
| 21:55.55 | oo_miguel | i mdadm Recommends default-mta | mail-transport-agent |
| 21:56.14 | RoyK | greycat: isn't "aptitude" non-supported by now? |
| 21:56.16 | oo_miguel | so another mdadm was installed by default |
| 21:56.33 | greycat | oo_miguel: mdadm is disk ... stuff. |
| 21:56.41 | RoyK | oo_miguel: so install postfix |
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| 21:56.52 | RoyK | mdadm relies on an mta |
| 21:57.03 | RoyK | to allow it to send emails when the shit hits the fan |
| 21:57.25 | oo_miguel | allright, thank you greycat & RoyK |
| 21:57.43 | oo_miguel | which is the most lightweight mta recommended? porsfix really? |
| 21:57.48 | oo_miguel | postfix |
| 21:57.48 | RoyK | postfix is a decent mta - works for me |
| 21:57.57 | greycat | It's more about what you are comfortable with, than what is "lightweight". |
| 21:58.15 | greycat | exim4 is still installed by default, when an MTA is needed |
| 21:58.18 | RoyK | greycat: something a bit lighter than exchange? ;) |
| 21:58.32 | tugrik | oo_miguel: look at nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 21:58.44 | tugrik | they're *very* lightweight, and trivial to configure |
| 21:58.45 | greycat | or don't |
| 21:59.17 | tugrik | postfix is good, and tends to "just work", but will also do more than you need, depends how lightweight you want to be |
| 21:59.31 | greycat | All of the MTAs will do "more than you need". |
| 21:59.31 | oo_miguel | ssmtp sounds perfect for my case |
| 21:59.38 | oo_miguel | I have postifx running elsewhere |
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| 22:00.25 | RoyK | oo_miguel: I use postfix on raspberry pi - even v1 |
| 22:00.34 | RoyK | lightweight enough to run well on those |
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| 22:01.24 | RoyK | oo_miguel: what sort of machine is this? an i486 wth 64MB RAM? |
| 22:02.03 | oo_miguel | nah its an i7-4770 Quad-Core |
| 22:02.14 | RoyK | then don't worry |
| 22:02.16 | RoyK | relly |
| 22:02.20 | RoyK | really |
| 22:02.42 | RoyK | postfix will be like silent background noise |
| 22:02.46 | oo_miguel | ehehe |
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| 22:04.14 | RoyK | it takes a few milliseconds for it to send an email when that's needed and it'll eat a few megs of RAM |
| 22:04.17 | RoyK | that's all |
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| 22:19.02 | scoumoune_ | ah ben ouais |
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| 22:21.47 | no_gravity | Hello! Is it possible to somehow create a margin around the terminal? |
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| 22:22.55 | scoumoune_ | Hi all |
| 22:22.56 | no_gravity | Like tell the terminal "Only use the region from 5,5 to 70,34 in this 80x40 tty"? |
| 22:23.31 | annadane | which terminal? |
| 22:23.42 | scoumoune_ | I have question, i have install debian just with an system "/" no home or swap because is an usb boot |
| 22:23.51 | annadane | i assume you mean virtual terminals without a desktop environment/window manager |
| 22:24.05 | scoumoune_ | So after that i can only connect in root, so i need to adduser an user that right ? for non root |
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| 22:25.09 | no_gravity | annadane: I am using mate-terminal. But it would also be ok if it was a solution inside the terminal. |
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| 22:28.42 | scoumoune_ | that right ? |
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| 22:28.50 | scoumoune_ | or that wrong bob |
| 22:29.14 | scoumoune_ | ormaybe is during install |
| 22:29.23 | scoumoune_ | or not to be ? |
| 22:29.39 | annadane | no_gravity, for a virtual terminal the only thing i can think of is xrandr and i'm not sure about mate-terminal, there may be options within it |
| 22:31.11 | daemon | hey all if I have a 50G partition on /dev/sda2 that is basically my linux and its on a 200G disk |
| 22:31.14 | no_gravity | annadane: isnt xrandr changing the monitor settingsà |
| 22:31.15 | daemon | how do I tell it to use the rest of the disk |
| 22:31.24 | daemon | without reformatting/installing |
| 22:31.27 | daemon | sda1 is swap |
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| 22:31.32 | daemon | there is nothing 'after' it |
| 22:31.33 | annadane | it is but for virtual terminals i'm not sure how else one would change it |
| 22:31.35 | scoumoune_ | wait daemon |
| 22:31.43 | annadane | but i'm guessing as i don't know too much about this |
| 22:31.47 | scoumoune_ | you make new install ? |
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| 22:34.50 | scoumoune_ | that very easy |
| 22:34.51 | scoumoune_ | daemon |
| 22:35.00 | scoumoune_ | Juste explain if is an new install |
| 22:35.11 | scoumoune_ | Or you try to adpat with lvm |
| 22:36.27 | daemon | its not a new install |
| 22:36.34 | scoumoune_ | ok |
| 22:36.35 | daemon | not is it a lvm install |
| 22:36.38 | daemon | nor* |
| 22:37.00 | n4dir | daemon: you already got a linux distro installed on sda2 and want to use the free space on sda2 to install another distro? |
| 22:37.19 | daemon | n4dir, no I have a fully working debian install on sda2 |
| 22:37.27 | daemon | but I expanded the size of the disk its sat on |
| 22:37.33 | daemon | I just want it to extend into the new space |
| 22:38.26 | n4dir | so sda2 is 50 gigs and you got ca 150 gigs free and want to use those too? |
| 22:38.31 | daemon | yes |
| 22:38.42 | daemon | there is no sda3, sda2 is the last active partition |
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| 22:39.15 | n4dir | i think there ain't no easy solution. I would probably create sda3 and mount it wherever i need it, that would probably be ~/data or such. |
| 22:39.30 | n4dir | don't take my word for it, perhaps there is a solution. |
| 22:39.44 | daemon | I cant just use gpart and expand it |
| 22:39.50 | daemon | ok dokey |
| 22:39.51 | n4dir | well: you could try to resize sda2 from a live CD with gparted |
| 22:40.03 | jhutchins | Yeah, that works fine. |
| 22:40.08 | daemon | there is no graphics or optical devices or even usb interfaces to this system |
| 22:40.09 | jhutchins | No need for LVM. |
| 22:40.43 | jhutchins | As long as the space is next to the partition you want to expand it's easy. You should always make backups before messing with partitions though. |
| 22:40.51 | daemon | I have one |
| 22:41.27 | daemon | I just do not understand howto tell it to just continue the partition to the end of the drive |
| 22:42.00 | daemon | and write the relevent fs info |
| 22:42.33 | Emil | So umm |
| 22:42.40 | n4dir | i think right click, then click on resize, then move it with the mouse cursor. |
| 22:42.52 | Emil | Is there no way to format a file to some filesystem without root? |
| 22:42.55 | daemon | n4dir, this is a headless server |
| 22:43.32 | no_gravity | exit |
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| 22:46.19 | scoumoune_ | If i install just system file / , i do after creat an user non-root with adduser that right ? |
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| 22:48.50 | scoumoune_ | because sometimes services no run in root |
| 22:48.56 | scoumoune_ | that why i asked |
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| 22:50.53 | scoumoune_ | my second question is |
| 22:51.25 | scoumoune_ | The service networking, is show nothing in status systemctl when i ifup ifdown, that possible to more show with networking service ? |
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| 22:54.22 | scoumoune_ | the 3eme question is, is it possible to custom debian install for creat my os debian custom ? |
| 22:54.38 | scoumoune_ | than for answer you have ten minutes lol |
| 22:56.11 | n4dir | scoumoune_: third question. With custom debian you mean something like? |
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| 22:57.08 | n4dir | the first one: if i recall correct first root and user gets created during the installation, formatting comes after it (if you only got / or more partitions doesn't matter) |
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| 23:00.24 | scoumoune_ | n4dir i remember, when i choose only creat / system, after just setting root name and password, i think if can't install /home no asked for user setting. |
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| 23:02.04 | n4dir | i think you recall that wrong. |
| 23:02.49 | n4dir | you still have got /home, only it is not hosted on a partition on it's own. |
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| 23:03.44 | scoumoune_ | n4dir that right, because when im connect, i have Desktop, Documents etcc in /root/ |
| 23:04.07 | scoumoune_ | that why i dont uderstand, because is the first time where i install only / system |
| 23:05.23 | n4dir | like said, it shouldn't matter. Or i am missing something |
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| 23:05.37 | p0a | Hello |
| 23:05.44 | p0a | I'm trying to install from a usb device |
| 23:05.48 | p0a | but it just won't happen |
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| 23:05.54 | n4dir | iirc there shouldn't be any files from xdg-user-dirs in /root anyway |
| 23:06.11 | scoumoune_ | n4dir yea that right |
| 23:06.13 | n4dir | and i am rather sure i do recall that right. |
| 23:06.26 | scoumoune_ | how can i forgot the user setting |
| 23:06.52 | scoumoune_ | if you right, if i install only / system doesn't matter, set user and root |
| 23:06.54 | p0a | I've tried cp debian.iso /Volumes/U/, didn't boot. (that's in the docs). I've tried using 'Rufus' (utility on windows) to create a bootable USB from .iso but again the same result: when I select "boot from USB" in BIOS, it falls back to booting from the HD |
| 23:07.04 | scoumoune_ | poa |
| 23:07.06 | scoumoune_ | use dd |
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| 23:07.14 | p0a | I don't have dd |
| 23:07.19 | p0a | I'm on windows |
| 23:07.21 | n4dir | not sure what you mean. You can rm all files in his /home/name, you could also delete the user altogether, the command is probably deluser (or similar) |
| 23:07.24 | p0a | and on mac I don't have dd permissions |
| 23:07.29 | n4dir | scoumoune_: ^^ |
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| 23:07.51 | scoumoune_ | p0a this is an channel for debian ;) |
| 23:08.10 | p0a | fair enough: the docs say copy debian.iso to the USB volume. that doesn't work. explain? |
| 23:08.26 | p0a | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 23:08.29 | p0a | 4.3.1 |
| 23:08.30 | RandomGuyOnIrc | I am having a problem with VNC. It crashes, then I can't kill it. I get error messages to delete the various files in /tmp, /tmp/X11-unix and ~/.vnc. I delete them, and then when I try to restart, I get the same error message, can't start vnc |
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| 23:08.43 | scoumoune_ | p0a you try to make that with windows or debian ?? |
| 23:08.57 | p0a | am I trying to install debian with debian? ... |
| 23:09.10 | scoumoune_ | ok ok, so |
| 23:09.12 | p0a | I'm trying to install debian. If you think that's out of the channels topic, fair enough |
| 23:09.42 | scoumoune_ | install it with bootusbcreator |
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| 23:10.08 | p0a | I'll give it a try. thanks |
| 23:10.26 | scoumoune_ | p0a |
| 23:10.35 | p0a | scoumoune_: Do you have a link? |
| 23:10.45 | scoumoune_ | you nee an logiel like usbcreator or windows usb boot |
| 23:10.45 | n4dir | !usb install |
| 23:10.45 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 23:10.57 | p0a | n4dir: look at what I said |
| 23:11.05 | scoumoune_ | and it work after |
| 23:11.09 | p0a | okay win32diskimager. Let me check |
| 23:11.12 | n4dir | no experience with windows, just saying it exists |
| 23:11.20 | n4dir | p0a: you said you used rufus? |
| 23:11.37 | petn-randall | !rufus |
| 23:11.37 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 23:11.44 | Kobaz | how do i install a package from a specific lts distro |
| 23:11.46 | p0a | oh wow |
| 23:11.48 | Kobaz | i have a box on squeeze-lts |
| 23:12.00 | Kobaz | apt-get install perl/squeeze-lts E: Release 'squeeze-lts' for 'perl' was not found |
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| 23:12.31 | petn-randall | Kobaz: Have you manually pinned any versions? |
| 23:12.41 | p0a | win32diskimager requires .img files and I have an .iso file/ |
| 23:12.50 | Kobaz | oh |
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| 23:12.52 | Kobaz | i need -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false |
| 23:12.58 | Kobaz | i dont actually have the list loaded |
| 23:13.00 | petn-randall | Kobaz: Because if not, there's no need to explicitely mention the version. |
| 23:13.23 | petn-randall | p0a: Just click on "*.*" in the file filter. |
| 23:13.39 | p0a | okay I'm doing that |
| 23:13.41 | scoumoune_ | n4dir so i have forgo set during install user, and i can remove all directory in /home and delette all user for ? |
| 23:13.47 | p0a | Sorry I must be really annoying |
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| 23:15.15 | p0a | WOW! worked! thanks a bunch |
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| 23:18.39 | n4dir | scoumoune_: i wouldn't see any reason to not create a user during installation or to delete the created user after installation. |
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| 23:19.03 | n4dir | you probably can skip creating a user during installation though. |
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| 23:22.32 | scoumoune_ | n4dir ok is i forgot during install |
| 23:22.47 | scoumoune_ | so how can i add corectly that in cmd line |
| 23:23.00 | scoumoune_ | if have Desktop, Documents etc in /root/ |
| 23:23.24 | n4dir | adduser or useradd, the one manual page will tell you that it is obsolete and the other one is prefered now |
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| 23:24.05 | n4dir | i think useradd is the recommended command, but am not on debian right now |
| 23:24.53 | scoumoune_ | oh ok i have tried with adduser -m -s /bin/bash "user" |
| 23:25.40 | scoumoune_ | That not importance if i created first root, and after user for connect with user |
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| 23:27.43 | scoumoune_ | For the third question, is for remove paquage in install OS debian |
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| 23:28.28 | scoumoune_ | like networkmanager, nano, pulseaudio, and other |
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| 23:30.31 | strangeqargo | it seems debuild looses some distcc option in env and it sees only localhost :( |
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| 23:31.24 | n4dir | scoumoune_: for the most part you should be fine if you deselect "environment" during tasksel, finish installation, then install what you want. |
| 23:31.25 | RayReddington | hicklen are you there hicklen hicklen |
| 23:31.36 | RayReddington | mhicklen; hellooo |
| 23:31.54 | p0a | I keep getting "mirror does not support the specified release (stretch)" |
| 23:32.02 | p0a | When I try to install from the net |
| 23:32.11 | scoumoune_ | for mirror say no |
| 23:32.35 | p0a | no? It says, select country. |
| 23:32.43 | somiaj | n4dir: which ones is said to be obsolete? I thought they were just different. useradd is the core tool that is similar across lots of distros and adduser a debian frontend to useradd. |
| 23:33.18 | n4dir | somiaj: dunno which one. do man adduser and man useradd, the one of it will mention it right at the top |
| 23:33.22 | somiaj | (though assuming you mean this, useradd is a low level utility for adding users. On Debian, administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead. |
| 23:33.46 | n4dir | yeah, "obsolete" was not the right word. |
| 23:34.04 | somiaj | though I wouldn't say useradd is obsolete, adduser is just way nicer on debian... |
| 23:34.22 | n4dir | nicer as in nobrainer :-) |
| 23:34.39 | somiaj | I also think adduser username groupname is a good feature too |
| 23:34.56 | scoumoune_ | yeap |
| 23:35.38 | n4dir | anyway, somiaj, thanks for making clear that i put it in the wrong words. |
| 23:35.38 | somiaj | p0a: it is strange that (stretch) is in parathensis, wonder if that is the issue. What is the mirror you are using? |
| 23:36.03 | scoumoune_ | But if useradd work with all disto, i prefer learn with useradd |
| 23:36.03 | somiaj | n4dir: I was just courious on my own end, I would like them to obslete useradd...(: |
| 23:36.05 | p0a | okay I must have a network issue, wget google.com doesn't work |
| 23:36.38 | somiaj | scoumoune_: when using centos, I have to look up the man page each time I need to use useradd....but I belive it is quite standard (and the prefer tool to use in scripts) |
| 23:37.27 | somiaj | p0a: check /etc/resolv.conf? Or could it be some network firewall not letting you hit the machine you are thinking of. |
| 23:37.55 | p0a | somiaj: resolv.conf has some ips |
| 23:38.02 | p0a | nameserver *. three of them |
| 23:38.22 | Emil | so I used debootstrap do build a small debian system |
| 23:38.35 | Emil | how can I pack that into a filesystem file? |
| 23:38.52 | n4dir | at first thought: rsync the whole thing |
| 23:39.15 | somiaj | p0a: yea, two issues, if the ip is resolving, the nameservers are correct, I usually use ping for that. But it could be your trafice is getting routed to some gateway and that is not letting you through. |
| 23:39.17 | Emil | like if I used mke2fs -t ext4 umlfs and I have a directory debian that contains a debian system made with https://wiki.debian.org/fakechroot |
| 23:39.28 | Emil | and umlfs was originall made with dd |
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| 23:39.40 | scoumoune_ | So you right with me for say, that curious i have Desktop, Documents etcc in /root/ ? |
| 23:39.45 | somiaj | Emil: any reason tar wouldn't work for you? |
| 23:39.56 | Emil | somiaj: going to use with uml |
| 23:40.02 | Emil | usermode linux |
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| 23:42.00 | p0a | somiaj: Not sure I follow. Pinging the nameservers doesn't work. Couldn't it be that I don't have the right drivers for my wifi card? |
| 23:42.58 | scoumoune_ | p0a |
| 23:43.05 | scoumoune_ | when you have installed |
| 23:43.11 | scoumoune_ | you have enter wpa keys ? |
| 23:43.19 | scoumoune_ | and selct wlp0s0 or wlan0 |
| 23:43.53 | p0a | I'll try again |
| 23:43.57 | scoumoune_ | yea |
| 23:44.01 | somiaj | p0a: when you ping google.com, do you get an ip, or does it just wait? |
| 23:44.05 | p0a | it just waits |
| 23:44.17 | scoumoune_ | or |
| 23:44.31 | somiaj | Emil: ahh unsure what uml is, I was just thinking if you wanted a copy of the minmial system you get with debootstrap, storing it in a tar could be useful. |
| 23:44.37 | scoumoune_ | you in session ? |
| 23:44.52 | somiaj | p0a: okay, then this is some other network issue. look at ip a, see if your interface has been given an ip address. |
| 23:44.52 | n4dir | same here, as far uml is concernde. |
| 23:45.17 | scoumoune_ | p0a ip -a |
| 23:45.24 | somiaj | scoumoune_: just ip a |
| 23:45.33 | p0a | I just don't get what WPA/WPA2 passphrase is |
| 23:45.36 | somiaj | short for ip address, though some people like to write ip addr |
| 23:45.41 | p0a | when I login to wifi I use username & password |
| 23:45.47 | somiaj | p0a: it is the password |
| 23:45.53 | scoumoune_ | yea right |
| 23:46.26 | p0a | without hte username? how would it know |
| 23:46.29 | somiaj | p0a: oh you need a username too, do you know what type of wireless network this is, you sometimes need additional configuration to supply a username. |
| 23:46.53 | Emil | somiaj: usermode linux, I compiled the linux kernel to run as a process on a normal linux system |
| 23:47.07 | somiaj | p0a: yea, this is a more complicated network. Many simple ones require just the network name and generic password. Is this a network like eduroam, you need to downlaod some certs so you can verify your user with a username/password. |
| 23:47.15 | Emil | somiaj: it's just make defconfig ARCH=um and then make linux ARCH=um |
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| 23:47.38 | somiaj | Emil: ahh, some sort of container/virtualization? |
| 23:47.48 | Emil | Well |
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| 23:47.53 | Emil | Virtualisation yeah |
| 23:47.55 | somiaj | Emil: I'm unsure the best way to pack up the base install from debootstrap for that. |
| 23:48.08 | Emil | hmm |
| 23:48.17 | scoumoune_ | the better is not loop dd ? |
| 23:48.32 | scoumoune_ | and cp file with sqlfs |
| 23:49.15 | p0a | somiaj: It says "your network is not using hte DHCP protocol. Alternatively the DHCP server may be slow or some network ahrdware is not working properly." |
| 23:49.50 | p0a | For some reason it tries to configure Ipv6 instead of IPv4? Moreover, the network is using DHCP... could it be that I need drivers for my network card? |
| 23:49.52 | somiaj | p0a: if your wireless network requires a username and password, that is more likely the issue. |
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| 23:50.10 | p0a | well I was trying one that's open |
| 23:50.23 | somiaj | I know for the eduroam network here, I have to download certs and the likes to get onto that. |
| 23:50.30 | n4dir | Emil: i still can't see why you shouldn't be able to simply rsync the whole thing. |
| 23:50.34 | somiaj | do yo uhave enough streth on the open one? |
| 23:51.00 | p0a | What |
| 23:51.04 | p0a | ? sorry I didn't understand |
| 23:51.18 | somiaj | Emil: n4dir: you may need to mount the filesystem you are rsyning it to via some loopback mechinesim, but that should work in my opinion too |
| 23:51.46 | somiaj | p0a: If you send out the dhcp request to the open network, and the signal strength is low, you may not get a reply due to a low signal strength. |
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| 23:52.10 | somiaj | p0a: if you are curious if it is a firmware issue, dmesg | grep -i firmware |
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| 23:52.22 | scoumoune_ | yea |
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| 23:53.22 | p0a | somiaj: it should be listed there if it is? I don't see it. on wiki.debian.org my laptop has a page "wifi works using wicd, wpa_supplicant and atl1c kernel module" |
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| 23:53.57 | somiaj | p0a: you should see some error about failed to load firmware, if you don't see such an error, it isn't due to missing firmawre |
| 23:54.19 | p0a | I see BIOS_OSI(Linux) query ignored and disabling VPD access |
| 23:54.23 | gzcwnk | Hi I am trying to install bacula on stretch but no bacula database is being created in mysql. For "normal" OSes there are some scripts to create the database and tables but they dont seem present with debian, how can I find them please? |
| 23:54.25 | p0a | that's the two messages. |
| 23:54.27 | scoumoune_ | the better way is not , dd loop the debian.iso, cp all fils, and dd loop sqlfs, cp all file, chroot sqlfs, modify and remount all ? |
| 23:54.54 | gzcwnk | does greyed out mean I cant post? |
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| 23:56.02 | somiaj | p0a: the issue is more likely with what you need to authenticate with the network. |
| 23:56.36 | somiaj | p0a: It could be the open network you are trying to reach is to far away to get a relaiable signal and thus you may not get a dhcp request back in time. |
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| 23:57.22 | p0a | but why would it work before? |
| 23:57.28 | p0a | Before trying to install debian |
| 23:57.52 | scoumoune_ | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Kali "kali-rolling" kali-rolling ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4200M CPU @ 2.50GHz (2,49GHz) ⢠Memory: 7,5 Gio Total (6,5 Gio Free) ⢠Storage: 6,8 Go / 42,3 Go (35,5 Go Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 2h 46m 17s |
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| 23:59.50 | somiaj | p0a: describe work before? On some live system using wicd or network manager? |