| 00:00.09 | p0a | on my previous OS |
| 00:00.11 | somiaj | p0a: and is this connecting to the same open network, or the closed on that requires a username/password? |
| 00:00.15 | somiaj | p0a: what ws your previous os? |
| 00:00.44 | p0a | windows |
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| 00:00.53 | p0a | the open one worked |
| 00:01.34 | p0a | I'm just confused how it even got past this step. Now it refuses to go past network config but before it did |
| 00:01.36 | somiaj | maybe the time out was longer, or you have some misconfiguration on your end. Due to vendors not always supporting liux, sometimes require more attention to configuration as opposed to just working. |
| 00:01.54 | somiaj | just cancel out, you should be able to go back and skip the configuring network step. |
| 00:01.57 | p0a | okay well I can try 'manual configuration' or skip |
| 00:02.08 | p0a | if I skip then I'd have to do additional stuff after I'm done right? |
| 00:02.20 | somiaj | I sometimes just install the base system, and then get the network up after I have installed debian and have more tool savialable than in the installer |
| 00:02.38 | somiaj | correct, you can still install the base system from the install meidum though. If it is a cd or dvd image, you can install more |
| 00:03.30 | p0a | okay then! I didn't have the skip option before because the network "worked" somehow |
| 00:03.33 | p0a | and then didn't. |
| 00:04.32 | somiaj | sometimes if on the edge of a range of a network, it can do that. It can also do that dependingon other wireless users around you at the time too |
| 00:05.01 | p0a | alright maybe I'll move somewhere else but for now I'm trying the offlien install |
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| 00:05.28 | p0a | thanks |
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| 00:06.59 | Emil | n4dir: hm? |
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| 00:07.14 | Emil | n4dir: how do I rsync a directory to a file? |
| 00:07.39 | n4dir | to a file? |
| 00:07.48 | somiaj | Emil: If the file has a filesystem on it, you can usually mount the file as a filesystem using a loopback device |
| 00:08.12 | Emil | somiaj: I know, I could so sudo mount -o loop file /mnt/point |
| 00:08.23 | Emil | but that requires sudo which I'm trying to avoid |
| 00:08.39 | somiaj | you can't get around that, it is very bad security risk to let users mount file systems |
| 00:08.51 | somiaj | I guess you could put the info in fstab, but to mount a file system you need root privalges. |
| 00:09.04 | Emil | of course I should be able to get around that :D |
| 00:09.05 | somiaj | (maybe systemd or policykit cna help) |
| 00:09.09 | Emil | come one |
| 00:09.12 | Emil | it's only about editing a file |
| 00:09.38 | somiaj | but you can't just let a user mount any file system. So you need some check, hence the file system would have to be in the /etc/fstab file so your system can let users mount it. |
| 00:09.53 | somiaj | (otherwise a use could mount a filesystem over /etc, and compermise your systme) |
| 00:09.57 | somiaj | even if it is 'just a file' |
| 00:10.01 | Emil | I'm not trying to have a user mount a filesystem |
| 00:10.17 | Emil | I want to avoid doing mounts all together |
| 00:10.55 | somiaj | I don't know of any way, when I delt with stuff like this, I just use loopback devices, so I could use standard tools. This maybe possible without moutning, but it may also require some special tool I don't know about. |
| 00:11.06 | Emil | also, well, mount requiring priviliges is idiotic as fuck imho. It should only care about priviliges if you are trying to do a priviliged operation but that's besides the point |
| 00:11.24 | hark | http://libguestfs.org/ |
| 00:11.30 | somiaj | Emil: I just explained why mounting requires privlages. It would be very easy to comprise a system otherwise. (: |
| 00:11.39 | Emil | somiaj: please |
| 00:12.01 | Emil | somiaj: mounting over priviliged files is an operation that requires priviliges |
| 00:12.12 | hark | Emil: ^ that is for dealing with disk images without root |
| 00:12.25 | Emil | hark: oooh |
| 00:13.54 | Emil | somiaj: but the whole idea that mount requires priviliges and then building a system around that which doesn't do checks is an issue with the ecosystem, not with the concept of users being able to mount file based filesystems |
| 00:14.11 | n4dir | i assumed a debian installation was created with debootstrap and the actual goal was to put it on a filesystem. |
| 00:14.15 | Emil | Not sure if the issue is in the kernel or in the distro though |
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| 00:14.38 | Emil | n4dir: well, file based filesystem is still a real filesystem, eh? |
| 00:15.13 | Emil | n4dir: I used the instructions here https://wiki.debian.org/fakechroot (replacing sid with stretch though) |
| 00:16.07 | p0a | somiaj: I booted into my new OS and I'm trying to use wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration now. Is that correct? |
| 00:16.31 | somiaj | p0a: yes the interfaces file is one way to configure the network. |
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| 00:17.09 | gzcwnk | can anyone see me please? |
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| 00:19.10 | p0a | I like how it tells me to look at man interfaces and man is not available :P |
| 00:19.16 | p0a | I guess I can look it up online |
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| 00:19.20 | n4dir | gzcwnk: yup |
| 00:19.20 | p0a | gzcwnk: seen... |
| 00:19.33 | gzcwnk | thankyou, dont use this much |
| 00:19.53 | n4dir | yeah , can be pretty confusing. no problem |
| 00:21.04 | gzcwnk | is there a way to completely un-install mysql-server / mariadb and then to a completely new install? I have tried purge but some files remain under /var/lib/mysql |
| 00:21.32 | somiaj | gzcwnk: dpkg -S /var/lib/mysql |
| 00:21.35 | gzcwnk | and when I re-install mysql wont run |
| 00:22.41 | gzcwnk | dpkg-query : no path found in macthing pattern /var/lib/mysql |
| 00:23.08 | somiaj | gzcwnk: no packages on your system currently own files in that directory, you can safely move it out of the way, back it up, delete it. Also consider this factoid, incase you deleted some config files |
| 00:23.12 | somiaj | !confmiss |
| 00:23.12 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 00:23.48 | gzcwnk | thanks |
| 00:24.15 | p0a | somiaj: I still don't understand. the docs talk about ethernet interface, I don't want that since I want a wifi right? |
| 00:24.52 | somiaj | doens't matter, they are both interfaces, wifi interfaces just take extra wifi config options |
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| 00:25.40 | p0a | I just don't understand what the steps are. I edited /etc/network/interfaces but ping google.com still doesn't even resolve |
| 00:25.52 | p0a | Do I have to restart/run some command? |
| 00:26.51 | somiaj | ifup inteface name will try to bring up the interface you configured |
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| 00:30.24 | finuit | is it possible to configure a static inet address in the link local space? 169.254/16? |
| 00:31.53 | p0a | somiaj: I tried ifup enp4s0. It kept trying. Then I remembered I had to configure the DNS too, which I did. now ifup says "already configured". ping still doesnt resolve |
| 00:32.08 | gzcwnk | somaij the command didnt work, in that the needed tables are not created |
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| 00:33.50 | somiaj | p0a: ifdown to bring it back down and try again. |
| 00:34.00 | somiaj | gzcwnk: even with the confmiss stuff I added? |
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| 00:35.01 | gzcwnk | well mysql / mariadb wont run as table mysql.servers doesnt exist |
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| 00:36.00 | gzcwnk | and table mysql.user doesnt exist |
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| 00:36.56 | somiaj | when you installed mariadb again, did you include the confmiss options to recreate all the database users/files? |
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| 00:37.31 | gzcwnk | the only difference is I used install as reinstall was not an option |
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| 00:38.13 | somiaj | !confmiss |
| 00:38.13 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 00:38.20 | somiaj | Did you follow the instructions I had the bot tell you? |
| 00:38.43 | gzcwnk | as far as I can tell, yes |
| 00:38.50 | somiaj | (here I'm assuming it is just missing some config files), there are other things that can be going on. |
| 00:39.03 | somiaj | you may have to dig into the install scripts and manually create the tables, etc. |
| 00:39.07 | gzcwnk | except "reinstall" isnt an option so I had to "install" |
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| 00:39.41 | somiaj | did you use aptitude? |
| 00:39.45 | gzcwnk | yeah tahts beyond me, easier to clone the VM and start again, Ive been at this for some hours now |
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| 00:39.54 | somiaj | oh yea, reinstall won't be an option if you purged it, but it should stil lwork. |
| 00:41.42 | gzcwnk | hmm Ok, think I will cut my losses....sort of learning if mysql-server doesnt install right its un-repairable |
| 00:42.08 | Codsworth | I'm trying to copy a website and download all pdfs on it, i'm trying to use wget to do this but it always copies the site but doesn't grab the pdfs. the folders and pdfs are located about 4-5 folders deep |
| 00:42.12 | Codsworth | any ideas? |
| 00:42.16 | somiaj | where are you getting this mysql-server package for, is this in jessie? |
| 00:42.23 | gzcwnk | stretch |
| 00:42.33 | somiaj | gzcwnk: where are you getting this mysql package? |
| 00:42.47 | gzcwnk | apt install mysql-server |
| 00:43.07 | somiaj | but where, debian stretch does not have a mysql-server package, unless it is transitional. |
| 00:43.11 | Codsworth | the site is wordpress if it matters |
| 00:43.42 | somiaj | gzcwnk: ahh it is just a transtional package, just install the corresponding mariadb packgaes. I was just double checking you were using debian packages. |
| 00:43.44 | gzcwnk | its a "sym link" to mariadb |
| 00:44.02 | gzcwnk | out of stretch main off a debian nz mirror |
| 00:44.04 | somiaj | Codsworth: unsure if there is a tool out there, are these .pdf's in links, or just on the server somewhere. |
| 00:44.18 | Codsworth | they are all linked on the site |
| 00:44.22 | Codsworth | I can manually download each one |
| 00:44.28 | Codsworth | but it would be like 1000+ pdfs |
| 00:44.55 | somiaj | I think you need some sort of script to read through the links, I don't think wget can just scan the server and download everything. Do you have ssh or scp access to the server? |
| 00:45.08 | Codsworth | my structure is like this, wordpress.com/2017/01/21/pdfs/ |
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| 00:45.39 | somiaj | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/downloading-entire-web-site-wget, have you tried the --recursive flag, or is this only picking up html files and not the pdfs? |
| 00:45.41 | Codsworth | there is a new folder for each day , with the files named by day as well |
| 00:45.50 | p0a | somiaj: stupid question but why do I only get 3 interfaces under ls /sys/class/net ? |
| 00:45.55 | p0a | There's many wifi's available |
| 00:45.55 | gzcwnk | somiaj, tried that as well, no difference |
| 00:45.55 | Codsworth | I tried the recursive flag , but its not working |
| 00:46.01 | Codsworth | should I set it -r 5 or -r 4/ |
| 00:46.13 | somiaj | Codsworth: sure, but do yo have another way to access the server? such as ftp or ssh? |
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| 00:46.22 | Codsworth | nope.. I wish I did |
| 00:46.28 | Codsworth | it's not my site but the info is free |
| 00:46.32 | somiaj | p0a: those list the interfaces on your system. You probably have lo, wired and wifi, you don't have lots of wifi cards on your system. |
| 00:46.39 | Codsworth | I just wanted to download all the pdf's for my records |
| 00:46.53 | p0a | somiaj: I'm just not sure how it knows which wifi to connect to. I never specvified it |
| 00:46.56 | Codsworth | somiaj I apprecaite your help |
| 00:47.01 | somiaj | Codsworth: I'm unsure if a tool is built for this, or if you will have to write your own. |
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| 00:47.12 | p0a | somiaj: I was following this https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#How_to_use_a_WiFi_interface |
| 00:47.17 | somiaj | Codsworth: provided you can get a list of the links in an .html file, a simple script could easily parse it and download them all |
| 00:47.33 | somiaj | p0a: you specify it in the interfaces file, but it has been a while so I forget the syntax. |
| 00:47.36 | p0a | with wpa_passphrase and /etc/network/interafces |
| 00:47.46 | Codsworth | somiaj , the pdfs are also avail on google, is there any google specfic link downloaders? |
| 00:47.53 | p0a | somiaj: okay I'll try to figure it out |
| 00:47.55 | Codsworth | I can sort the pdfs using google if I had a multi-downloader of some kind |
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| 00:49.23 | somiaj | Codsworth: there might be. I don't know of any. |
| 00:49.29 | Codsworth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.53 | somiaj | Codsworth: google is full of hits though, https://www.question-defense.com/2010/12/22/use-wget-to-download-all-pdf-files-listed-on-a-web-page-wget-all-pdf-files-in-a-directory |
| 00:50.21 | Codsworth | that's the link I was on |
| 00:50.35 | Codsworth | I think my problem is each pdf is several directories deep |
| 00:50.52 | gzcwnk | somiaj, ok thanks but I can see the essential internals of mariadb are actually not re-created so I'll start again with a new VM, thanks |
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| 00:53.11 | Codsworth | this is a lot harder than I imagined lol |
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| 00:59.02 | draconicice | guys i have a question, i used the net installer iso and it only installed the core system |
| 00:59.16 | draconicice | so it just booted straight to terminal |
| 00:59.20 | draconicice | can i just go ahead and install a wm? |
| 00:59.27 | draconicice | or am i missing other components |
| 01:01.13 | p0a | draconicice: if you use apt to install it you should be okay |
| 01:01.20 | p0a | draconicice: do you have X? |
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| 01:02.03 | draconicice | p0a no idea |
| 01:02.07 | draconicice | i'm a linux rook |
| 01:02.09 | draconicice | u mean x org? |
| 01:03.41 | p0a | yeah |
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| 01:10.57 | abrotman | draconicice: what GUI do you want? |
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| 01:12.16 | draconicice | abrotman |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | hi... |
| 01:12.31 | draconicice | GUI = de? |
| 01:12.33 | draconicice | if so xfce |
| 01:12.43 | draconicice | only passable de |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | and you wan ta GUI login ? |
| 01:13.39 | draconicice | yessir |
| 01:13.41 | abrotman | so you can install "aptitude install xorg xdm xfce4 firefox" |
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| 01:13.57 | abrotman | and then install mroe apps from there |
| 01:14.29 | draconicice | nice ok |
| 01:15.08 | abrotman | oh, i guess it's "firefox-esr" in stretch |
| 01:15.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell draconicice about stretch sources.liust |
| 01:15.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell draconicice about stretch sources.list |
| 01:15.23 | abrotman | damn bot |
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| 01:20.14 | p0a | somiaj: running iwconfig wlan0 essid MyNetwork and then ifup wlan0 works. I get "bound to ..." |
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| 01:20.26 | p0a | somiaj: but then ping google.com still doesn't work. Are there other things to do? |
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| 01:22.22 | erasmus | if I reset the PRAM on my mac will that affect blessing the drive? |
| 01:22.26 | erasmus | I ran this bless --device /dev/disk0s1 --legacy --setBoot --verbose |
| 01:22.34 | erasmus | will reseting the PRAM remove that? |
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| 01:45.42 | EnchanterTim | hello, I'm in debian stable and I have chromium browser, but it wont' display Hindi/Sanskrit characters in web pages, what can I do ? |
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| 01:47.37 | EnchanterTim | it shows squres/boxes |
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| 01:52.23 | awal1 | how to list pkgs maintained by a specific team? |
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| 01:52.57 | awal1 | say: I want to list all pkgs maintained by 'Debian Security Tools Packaging Team' |
| 01:53.08 | awal1 | via cli, i mean |
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| 02:24.20 | somiaj | awal1: aptitude search I thnk has flags for that |
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| 02:28.36 | abrotman | grep-dctrl perhaps ? |
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| 02:34.16 | somiaj | I was thinking https://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html#searchMaintainer -- but unsure how a team is listed in the matainer field. |
| 02:35.23 | awal1 | somiaj, I was going to ask about that exactly (~mmaintainer) |
| 02:35.35 | awal1 | abrotman, not sure I understand you |
| 02:35.51 | somiaj | use apt show to see the matainer field of a package you know, and you should see what sort of strings you can search for |
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| 02:36.39 | awal1 | an option yeah, but more "vague" |
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| 02:37.25 | awal1 | dctrl-tools, ok, abrotman |
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| 02:45.28 | p0a | somiaj: the ubuntu mini.iso worked. I think what I've figured out is that my card requires some proprietary driver |
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| 02:55.47 | somiaj | p0a: what card? |
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| 02:57.16 | somiaj | p0a: I'm just surprised you didn't see any firmware errors when you looked |
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| 03:02.51 | AkQ | is there a way to use "su -" (change user to root) so that i can give the password of the root in the same command? |
| 03:03.38 | p0a | sudo su? |
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| 03:03.51 | somiaj | AkQ: this is usually considered a bad idea. |
| 03:04.06 | somiaj | you do realize that all commands are logged in plain text, and that would put your root password in a plain text file. |
| 03:04.30 | AkQ | hmmh |
| 03:04.32 | somiaj | but using something like sudo can help, and you can make it no pass if you really want. |
| 03:04.34 | AkQ | yea okay, valid reason - i won't do that |
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| 03:05.09 | AkQ | just wanted to speed up my login |
| 03:06.04 | somiaj | do you really switch to root that often? Anyways, there maybe other ways to achive that, but that is the reason why su has no password switch, and requiers you enter it in with out it showing to the screen |
| 03:06.50 | somiaj | (shoulds also be careful if say using ssh, mysql, or various other tools that you can have a --password flag of some sort. |
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| 03:07.38 | AkQ | i have this small community server that i often configure straight through root user, so i wanted to have a shortcut on my desktop that would give me directly an open ssh access with root privileg to the server |
| 03:08.22 | AkQ | in putty there is obviously an option to set a password for the user that logs in, but set "PermitRootLogin" to 'no' so i can't login directly through root |
| 03:09.06 | somiaj | AkQ: I would jsut set up a key for root, and ssh root@server, let the key autolog you in. |
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| 03:09.34 | somiaj | you can turn rootlogin off for passwords (to prevent brute force) but still login via a key |
| 03:10.03 | AkQ | hmmh i feel stupid - why didn't i think that |
| 03:10.10 | AkQ | thanks a lot somiaj |
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| 03:17.14 | somiaj | AkQ: in general it is usually best to ask about your actual goal, not what path your goal took you down. Look up XY problem. |
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| 03:18.28 | AkQ | heh yea - that sounds logical |
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| 03:24.01 | AkQ | all my mail from my new server goes to Gmail spam folder. i created the server and the domain for it couple hours ago. how do i get the mail not to go to the spam folder in Gmail? |
| 03:24.53 | somiaj | AkQ: For your spam folder, you can tell your account to filter it and put it somewhere, or not count it as spam |
| 03:25.27 | AkQ | for myself that works well enough, yes - but what about any new person my mail is sent to? |
| 03:25.35 | somiaj | in general, this is a hard topic, and no easy answer. Mail servers have a lot of things that need to be configured just right for popular email servers (like gmail) to not think they are spam. On top of that your domain name and ip address need to have a good 'reputation' |
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| 03:26.49 | somiaj | does the email name address ahve reverse dns look up that agress with the server....is dns set up correctly. Do you have some inconsistancy in the confguration of your server compared to public records. Are you on an ip block that gets used by spammers....anyways, I don't know the details, I just know it requires good amount of knowldge to setup an email server properly. |
| 03:27.11 | somiaj | as in not get spamboxed |
| 03:27.31 | AkQ | lots of stuff - didn't know mail is so hard thing to set up correctly |
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| 03:28.11 | somiaj | I'm in the process of trying to get rid of the only mail server I manage, because I don't know how to set one up correctly (I inherited it, and someone else knew what they were doing -- plus being on a university network, things are easier) |
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| 03:30.46 | somiaj | I can't seem to find any good list of things to ensure are all synced up to help increase the repreation of the emails. Also overtime provided your emails meet standards, you can increase the rep of your ip/domain name. |
| 03:31.08 | nicedreams | You need a PTR record setup in your ISP DNS records to prevent mail from going to spam. |
| 03:31.16 | nicedreams | reverse dns record |
| 03:31.39 | nicedreams | without it you will be flagged as spam or you can use a smarthost |
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| 03:33.52 | somiaj | nicedreams: thanks. I thought there was more than just dns, or provided the dns/reverse dns records are consistant, most thigns is just rep by the big spam houses? |
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| 03:34.31 | nicedreams | somiaj: from all the mail servers I've run the key has always been the reverse dns record set by the ISP hosting the server. |
| 03:34.49 | nicedreams | without then other servers can't verify where it's coming from so flags it as spam |
| 03:35.36 | nicedreams | I use a smarthost for personal like sending server logs I use Mutt with an imap account. |
| 03:35.54 | nicedreams | well whatever...can call it a smarthost. lol |
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| 03:36.51 | somiaj | AkQ: ^^ that would be where I would start looking, make sure your reverse dns records are consistant with your domainname. |
| 03:36.52 | purplez | has anyone had success with the debian netinst setup with guided lvm + encryption setup? |
| 03:37.00 | purplez | it never boots properly after a clean install for me |
| 03:37.07 | nicedreams | ya..check your ISP and have them set a rDNS |
| 03:37.47 | somiaj | purplez: care to describe what dosen't boot. It worked fine on all the vms I have tested it here. |
| 03:37.54 | nicedreams | purplez: was just reading something today about how only grub supports that, but it's tricky |
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| 03:37.59 | purplez | entire system |
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| 03:38.11 | purplez | it gives some (seemingly red herring) lvmetad warnings |
| 03:38.13 | somiaj | ahh so you are trying to encrypt /boot too? |
| 03:38.18 | purplez | and then asks for passphrase to decrypt |
| 03:38.24 | purplez | then black screen |
| 03:38.30 | purplez | no /boot is unencrypted |
| 03:38.40 | somiaj | what desktop enviorment did you install? |
| 03:38.44 | purplez | xfce |
| 03:38.52 | purplez | does that matter? |
| 03:38.55 | somiaj | wonder if it is booting correctly, but something is wrong with xorg and the video. |
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| 03:39.07 | AkQ | my isp ( .inceptionhosting.com ) isn't providing almost any info regarding my server |
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| 03:39.31 | AkQ | there is no option to even make a clean install |
| 03:39.41 | somiaj | well booting into a display manager would load xorg, so wondering if it is something else...but I would think you would still see some more output after entering in the passphrase. |
| 03:39.55 | purplez | it shows some stuff about blocks |
| 03:40.00 | purplez | before black screening |
| 03:40.02 | purplez | if that means anything |
| 03:40.28 | somiaj | purplez: have you tried to hit ctrl-alt-f2 (maybe give it just a moment) |
| 03:40.41 | purplez | yeah ive tried various ttys |
| 03:42.55 | somiaj | Well I'm unsure what the issue could be, but sounds like it is uncrypting, but something in the boot after that is failing. I don't know if disabling the display manager would help or not. Or maybe trying to boot up in a non graphical mode. |
| 03:43.05 | somiaj | purplez: you cuold try booting with this kernel option, systemd.unit=multi-user.target |
| 03:43.24 | somiaj | that should not boot into xorg, and maybe you could get into a console. |
| 03:44.27 | purplez | im alittle ashamed to ask this, but is there a way to change kernel boot args without first booting into a live image and updating initramfs |
| 03:44.43 | somiaj | there is a key you can hit in grub. I don't know what it is though. |
| 03:44.56 | somiaj | I think it says on the menu |
| 03:45.07 | annadane | c or e |
| 03:45.27 | purplez | ah gotcha |
| 03:45.34 | annadane | it says on the menu itself |
| 03:46.18 | annadane | and if you want to pause on that screen and actually read the message (so it doesn't boot in a timeframe too fast for you to see the message) just press down or something, any kind of input, will pause the timer |
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| 03:47.02 | purplez | no dice, but it mentions recovering journal |
| 03:47.14 | purplez | (the output before it blacks out) |
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| 03:51.02 | purplez | not having success pausing the timer either unfortunately |
| 03:51.18 | purplez | recovery mode gives a lot more output but accelerates just before it blanks |
| 03:51.28 | somiaj | just hitting the down arrow works for me |
| 03:51.50 | somiaj | I'm not sure how to best debug what is going wrong |
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| 03:52.55 | purplez | :( |
| 03:53.09 | purplez | i wonder if attempting a clean install without encryption will have any better results |
| 03:53.36 | purplez | did you use guided partitioning or manual? |
| 03:53.41 | purplez | @somiaj |
| 03:59.37 | nicedreams | confused on if should use apt-get, aptitude (no-gui) or apt. Reading apt is replacing the others? |
| 03:59.57 | nicedreams | i like aptitude cause easier to use like aptitude search |
| 04:02.20 | purplez | ive booted into a live env, decrypted/mounted/chrooted in and ran fsck |
| 04:02.52 | purplez | getting some error like "ext2fs_check_if_mount: Can't check if filesystem is mounted due to missing mtab file while determining whether /dev/mapper/purple--vg-root is mounted" |
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| 04:10.56 | somiaj | nicedreams: they are all fine, stick with aptitude (it just tends to be slower than apt). apt is meant to be a more user friendly tool than apt-get. Since apt-get is used in so many scripts, apt provides a way to give nicer output, limit options to the most used. |
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| 04:17.15 | nicedreams | thx |
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| 05:48.32 | purplez | same problem sans encryption |
| 05:48.34 | purplez | also with xfce... |
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| 06:43.14 | abff | is there a /dev file for each head in a debian system? |
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| 06:44.37 | purplez | somiaj: figured it out |
| 06:44.46 | purplez | adding nomodeset to kernel boot params shows video |
| 06:44.57 | purplez | thanks for the hint! |
| 06:45.00 | klys | really I haven't got multihead working yet. I hope someone can explain having done so. |
| 06:45.40 | alkisg | If you mean "2 graphics cards, usb keybs/mice on the same system", sure, I've done it |
| 06:45.41 | klys | I know you need the systemd-logind package for starters, and kmscon might be neccessary. |
| 06:46.51 | klys | also it might be required to turn off CONFIG_VT in your kernels |
| 06:47.15 | abff | alkisg that sounds more like multiseat config |
| 06:47.29 | abff | multihead is a single user with multiple displays |
| 06:47.35 | alkisg | Ah ok |
| 06:47.44 | abff | oh sorry not multiple $DISPLAY |
| 06:47.54 | klys | multiseat is what I meant then |
| 06:47.55 | alkisg | Multiple xorgs or just multiple monitors? |
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| 06:48.06 | abff | xorg would consider a single display could range over several heads |
| 06:48.20 | abff | https://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html |
| 06:48.23 | alkisg | So one user with 2 graphics cards? |
| 06:48.24 | abff | check this out klys |
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| 06:49.01 | abff | alkisg most modern cards should be able to display over at least two monitors |
| 06:49.08 | alkisg | abff: that's automatic |
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| 06:49.40 | alkisg | That's why I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking, because it's supported out of the box with no configuration necessary... |
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| 07:03.24 | bolt | i thought multiseat went away with thin clients, ages ago |
| 07:03.29 | bolt | do people still do multiseat? |
| 07:03.30 | bolt | why? |
| 07:04.39 | klys | >do people still do multiseat |
| 07:04.56 | klys | >do people still use framebuffers |
| 07:04.59 | klys | ... |
| 07:05.11 | bolt | that's rather different |
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| 07:06.07 | bolt | the idea of multiseat, one relatively powerful, specially built rig to host multiple people... why? is it cheaper than a few nuc's? |
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| 07:06.34 | klys | #hardware |
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| 07:07.29 | bolt | asking why people want a specific configuration is hardly off topic when they're asking for it |
| 07:08.17 | klys | a new computer these days is upwards of $800 |
| 07:08.31 | bolt | a nuc isn't |
| 07:08.47 | klys | obviously. |
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| 07:10.14 | bolt | a new computer with multiple graphics cards, the salary for whoever has to configure and maintain the setup, the restrictions imposed by forced colocation of the people using it... |
| 07:10.27 | t3st3r | one can get small SBC capable of running Debian at like $10 :) |
| 07:10.39 | t3st3r | it would be resource limited, sure |
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| 07:13.30 | bolt | fine. you've convinced people this is somehow a good idea and want to keep it that way. i'll shut up :D |
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| 07:18.26 | alkisg | (09:03:24 Ïμ) bolt: i thought multiseat went away with thin clients, ages ago ==> both thin clients and multiseat are currently used by thousands of users. Even udev and systemd and DMs have multiseat support |
| 07:18.55 | alkisg | Adding one keyb/mouse/monitor to allow 2 users to use a computer is a great idea |
| 07:19.09 | alkisg | Graphics cards already support 2 outputs |
| 07:19.41 | alkisg | It doesn't need to be "6 users in one pc", just 2 users is already good enough |
| 07:19.58 | alkisg | And the pc can be a moderate i3 with 300⬠|
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| 07:20.43 | alkisg | It's so easy that one can do it at home just for his kids |
| 07:21.33 | alkisg | I actually added support for multiseat thin clients in ltsp last year :) |
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| 07:21.52 | alkisg | i.e. netbooted multiseat systems, works great, even in production use |
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| 07:26.37 | klys | alkisg, "graphics cards already support two outputs"; so I can run more than one Xorg on the same card? |
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| 07:27.00 | abff | yeah I am getting a new pc tomorrow and I'm planning on running it multiseat so my gf and I can share it while I reconfigure my current dt |
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| 07:27.36 | alkisg | klys: there are two ways to do it, either with xephyr over xorg, or a modified xorg. systemd supports multiseat with 2 graphics cards out of the box though, so that's a lot easier to do. |
| 07:27.40 | abff | much function |
| 07:28.12 | alkisg | The multiseat patches for xorg with a single graphics card went upstream last year if I remember well |
| 07:28.17 | klys | alkisg, who has modified Xorg? |
| 07:28.21 | alkisg | Maybe systemd will gain support for them too |
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| 07:28.34 | alkisg | Let me find the link to the patch... |
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| 07:31.22 | alkisg | klys: https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2016-February/048807.html |
| 07:33.10 | alkisg | ...should be included in stretch... |
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| 07:37.50 | klys | alkisg, which package, specifically? xserver-xorg perhaps? |
| 07:38.30 | klys | thanks for the link |
| 07:38.42 | alkisg | klys: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/xserver-xorg-core |
| 07:39.38 | klys | ah thanks. |
| 07:39.43 | alkisg | np |
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| 07:46.07 | klys | alkisg, does Xorg at .service require xephyr? |
| 07:46.09 | Rembo | is there a way to install gcc4.9 and gcc 6.3 both on my debian 9 server? now i have only gcc 6.3 on my server |
| 07:47.07 | klys | rembo, are both of them for amd64? |
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| 07:49.03 | Rembo | klys, yes |
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| 07:55.58 | klys | alkisg, so I want xorg at .socket, presumably. then I need to put this file in /etc/systemd/system: [Unit] ; Description=Xorg :%i ; [Socket] ; ListenStream=/tmp/.X11-unix/X%i ; [Install] ; WantedBy=sockets.target ; and then install a display manager such as gdm and reboot into systemd? |
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| 08:01.13 | klys | rembo, it seems gcc-4.9 is still in the debian mirror. you'd have to add sources for oldstable. |
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| 08:02.18 | super_cool_gues1 | #debian-fr |
| 08:04.03 | alkisg | klys: I barely tested xorg with single graphics card; because I'm using the 2 graphics card setup, which works out of the box |
| 08:04.17 | alkisg | So I don't remember the exact details for the single card setup |
| 08:04.55 | klys | alkisg, from reading about the patch you linked, it seems I would need xephyr. |
| 08:05.03 | alkisg | there are 2 ways |
| 08:05.09 | alkisg | one with 2 xephyr over single xorg |
| 08:05.14 | alkisg | and one with xorg nested |
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| 08:05.22 | alkisg | Both should work now without patches |
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| 08:05.44 | alkisg | (and of course the dual card setup that just runs 2 stock xorgs) |
| 08:06.31 | klys | do you have any additional pointers on how to nest Xorg? |
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| 08:07.39 | alkisg | I can find you a small how-to that I got in a mail... in half an hour... if it's ok with you |
| 08:07.53 | klys | thanks |
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| 08:42.08 | NetTerminalGene | ,kernel |
| 08:42.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy- |
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| 08:42.45 | f-a_ | Hello #debian, I need an openstreetmap application, just to check maps and maybe mark a location or two. What is your choice? |
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| 08:58.48 | seckarma | hello, i have a question concerning encrypting the root harddrive |
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| 08:59.45 | seckarma | i have mistakenly installed and preconfigured everything including securing grub and bios via a password and altered the booting order to prevent booting from a dvd or a usb stick |
| 09:00.02 | seckarma | but i have forgot to encrypt my linux partition at the first place |
| 09:00.20 | seckarma | so is there anyway i can enrypt the whole partition without any data loss? |
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| 09:01.02 | seckarma | i know i can make a backup and do the process again |
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| 09:01.15 | seckarma | but if there exist something why should i waste time |
| 09:01.57 | pingfloyd | I would start over |
| 09:02.12 | pingfloyd | also this time, overwrite with random bit very first |
| 09:02.34 | pingfloyd | then makes your partition and then your encrypted volumes |
| 09:02.48 | pingfloyd | *make your partitions |
| 09:04.18 | seckarma | i guess i have no other choice |
| 09:04.40 | seckarma | thanks for hinting out the random bit thingy |
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| 09:08.18 | Guest64154 | hello. people who also use debian for desktop, do you run testing or stable? |
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| 09:15.02 | f-a_ | talin: stable |
| 09:15.07 | pingfloyd | I use oldstable |
| 09:15.09 | f-a_ | testing is good too |
| 09:15.18 | pingfloyd | was stable not too long ago |
| 09:17.45 | talin | hmm, okay |
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| 10:19.57 | Stoffl_ | Hi! World you upgrade from Debian 6 or reinstall Debian 9 and reinstall all the software and files? |
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| 10:20.43 | jelly | Stoffl_: upgrading from 6 requires going thru 6->7, 7->8 and 8->9 release upgrades |
| 10:20.58 | Stoffl_ | Okay. Thanks. |
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| 12:24.06 | plop1342 | Hi |
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| 12:24.45 | plop1342 | <VirtualHost> ServerName example.com DocumentRoot /home/www/test <Directory "/"> |
| 12:25.03 | plop1342 | Do you know what is Directory relative to? is it relative to on-server-disk's path? |
| 12:25.11 | plop1342 | or public path like example.com/path/here? |
| 12:25.26 | plop1342 | Sorry to ask here but I'm a bit lost and #apache is really quiet |
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| 12:27.08 | Debian_Alain | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.40 | bites | Directory is a path on your filesystem. |
| 12:28.04 | bites | / being root |
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| 12:32.33 | petn-randall | plop1342: Have you checked the upstream documentation yet? It's pretty well documented and straight-forward. |
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| 12:33.27 | slax0r | there is no way for ps to display info inside which directory a process was started, right? |
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| 12:37.36 | plop1342 | petn-randall: i nearly lost 2 hours on this, I checked the docs, but still unsuccessful: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48766546/url-rewriting-in-virtualhost-causes-403-forbidden |
| 12:37.40 | plop1342 | maybe would you have an idea? |
| 12:38.10 | petn-randall | plop1342: That's not the upstream docs to it, though. |
| 12:38.49 | plop1342 | bites: if all i do is RewriteRule ^/site1(.*)$ http://localhost:1001$1 [P,L], is Directory even needed? |
| 12:39.06 | petn-randall | plop1342: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#directory |
| 12:39.27 | plop1342 | bites: I would say "no" because I don't ask it to access the filesystem, but on the other hand if I don't include a Directory Require all granted, it will fail anyway |
| 12:39.36 | jelly | slax0r: no, but lsof will show its current working directory right now (and if the process did not call chdir() it will be the same it started in) |
| 12:39.44 | plop1342 | petn-randall: I already looked at this page |
| 12:39.51 | plop1342 | but still since 2 hours, I can't debug this problem |
| 12:40.04 | slax0r | jelly: right! thanks! |
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| 12:40.53 | petn-randall | plop1342: Did you really read it though? Because it answers your first question in the first paragraph. |
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| 12:41.00 | plop1342 | petn-randall: is there a super obvious typo: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48766546/url-rewriting-in-virtualhost-causes-403-forbidden |
| 12:41.05 | plop1342 | because I can't figure out |
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| 12:41.25 | plop1342 | petn-randall: which paragraph? |
| 12:41.44 | plop1342 | first paragraph is nearly only code |
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| 12:43.10 | petn-randall | plop1342: "Directory-path is either the full path to a directory, or a wild-card string using Unix shell-style matching." |
| 12:43.30 | petn-randall | plop1342: Have you found that sentence in the docs I linked to you? |
| 12:44.20 | plop1342 | petn-randall: yes but if all I want is redirect (see the rewriterule i'm using), why is even a Directory needed? |
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| 12:44.56 | plop1342 | petn-randall: so i tried removing Directory completely, but still 403 |
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| 12:46.35 | petn-randall | plop1342: It would help if you would stop cargo-culting and get an understanding of how things work. Copy/pasting things from stackoverflow only gets you that far, after that you're stuck with basic things. |
| 12:46.43 | petn-randall | !tutorial |
| 12:46.44 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 12:47.10 | jelly | I didn't even know mod_rewrite had proxying |
| 12:47.26 | jelly | usually mod_proxy is used for a reverse proxy setup |
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| 12:47.40 | plop1342 | petn-randall: I did post this question, i didn't do a copy/paste from stackoverflow |
| 12:47.46 | plop1342 | and i did read the doc |
| 12:47.54 | plop1342 | also I tried this: https://pastebin.com/EvU8D11z |
| 12:47.58 | plop1342 | but still the same problem |
| 12:48.10 | petn-randall | plop1342: What do you logs say? |
| 12:48.14 | plop1342 | really i didn't do any copy/paste from a tutorial |
| 12:49.11 | petn-randall | *your |
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| 12:49.41 | jelly | plop1342: what's the exact URL you're trying to access? Can you enable RewriteLog and see if it gets rewritten and proxied correctly? |
| 12:49.46 | first-order | 'So basically Testing is a rolling one.' |
| 12:49.51 | first-order | Nope, that's Sid. |
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| 12:50.24 | first-order | Testing's still technically on a point-release from my understanding. |
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| 12:50.32 | plop1342 | jelly: first thing is: is it normal that I don't include any Directory in https://pastebin.com/EvU8D11z? |
| 12:50.33 | jelly | first-order: neither of those are "rolling" during the freeze period |
| 12:50.38 | plop1342 | or should there always be one? |
| 12:51.20 | first-order | Although I'm not sure exactly how blurred the lines for 'rolling' between Sid and Testing can get at times. |
| 12:51.25 | jelly | plop1342: There should always be a way to grant access. Putting it in <Directory /> is just an easy way. |
| 12:51.27 | petn-randall | first-order: And neither of them are releases in any classical sense. They're pre-releases or non-releases, if at all. |
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| 12:51.51 | petn-randall | plop1342: Which Debian release is this? |
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| 12:52.17 | first-order | Although if there was a true roller in the Debian ecosystem, my guess is it would be Experimental. |
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| 12:52.52 | petn-randall | first-order: Experimental isn't even a complete suite. |
| 12:53.15 | plop1342 | petn-randall: 8.4 |
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| 12:53.21 | plop1342 | with Apache 2.4 |
| 12:54.08 | first-order | Although I guess for some stuff at this point like Mesa 17.3, my best bet would be to wait for it to get backported, if it does, or move up to Testing. |
| 12:54.08 | plop1342 | jelly: so do you mean Directory is mandatory, and here it's necessary to add one? https://pastebin.com/EvU8D11z |
| 12:55.06 | petn-randall | plop1342: Then you'll have a rule in your config that disallows access to /, that might be part of your problem. |
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| 12:55.23 | first-order | Which my rather vague understanding is Testing is the prerelease stage that's actually sorta usable (spent the better part of my Linux stint in Arch). |
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| 12:55.43 | petn-randall | plop1342: Btw, if you want to run several backend services on the same IP, there are easier ways to implement this. |
| 12:56.16 | plop1342 | petn-randall: but then with this code https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48766546/url-rewriting-in-virtualhost-causes-403-forbidden (this is my own code / question), as it features Directory, it should work, right? |
| 12:56.19 | plop1342 | but still it doesn't |
| 12:56.25 | plop1342 | petn-randall: oh ok, how? |
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| 12:56.55 | petn-randall | plop1342: Using haproxy for example, and sending the requests to the backends via SNI. |
| 12:57.06 | petn-randall | will bbl, lunch. |
| 13:03.28 | jelly | plop1342: it's mandatory to give access to desired URLs _somehow_. It might not be that Directory that causes 403. Try accessing just a file in DocumentRoot. Enable RewriteLog. Look at logs when things start to fail. |
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| 13:10.06 | dracc | While running 'make install' for 32 bit mesa drivers I get an error, "libtool: error: error: cannot install 'mesa_dri_drivers.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/". Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 13:10.30 | dracc | As far as I can tell, it's trying to install into /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/, so I don't see the problem. :( |
| 13:11.05 | dracc | Is it the trailing slash? |
| 13:11.44 | dracc | it seems it was. Thanks! |
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| 13:18.06 | dracc | (I ran `export CFLAGS=-m32` and want to undo it) |
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| 13:18.23 | slax0r | export CFLAGS= |
| 13:18.35 | dracc | slax0r, Thanks! :) |
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| 13:22.00 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+60; sid: 1:7.2+60 |
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| 13:22.52 | slax0r | can you check backports with that here? |
| 13:22.58 | dracc | ,v libgl1-mesa |
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| 14:37.07 | ernstp | I cloned https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-qemu/qemu.git/ but I can't figure out how to build it. dpkg-buildpackage and gbp buildpackage doesn't work |
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| 14:40.06 | dracc | ernstp, Any error messages? |
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| 14:40.53 | ernstp | dpkg-source: error: cannot read qemu/debian/control: No such file or directory |
| 14:41.02 | ernstp | there's only debian/control-in |
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| 14:44.30 | ernstp | i have to do ./debian/rules clean first .... ? |
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| 14:45.39 | bitlan | hi, how i can permament add a loop device to startup? i tried do: 2 files as virtual-hdd, on both create raid 1, and on them lvm |
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| 14:48.01 | bitlan | first i create dd.... two files vir-hdd-1.img and vir-hdd-2.img, next losetup /dev/loop1 /path/vir-hdd-1.img (same for second).. next mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=mirror --raid-devices=2 /dev/loop1 /dev/loop2 |
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| 14:48.30 | bitlan | lvm on /dev/md0... all it's ok, but after reboot... its fail |
| 14:48.40 | bitlan | i don't know how add loop device in fstab |
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| 14:48.52 | bitlan | i tried |
| 14:48.53 | bitlan | /mnt/sdb1/vir-2.img /dev/loop2autoloop00 |
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| 14:49.43 | bitlan | but mout -a returns error, beacouse loop havn't filesystem |
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| 15:00.02 | amdp | hi |
| 15:00.35 | bitlan | hi |
| 15:00.46 | amdp | i have a script, it launches a process, but then I'd like to exit that process in order to keep the script running but if I hit ctrlC it stops the whole script |
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| 15:01.47 | gpunk | ctrl-z ? |
| 15:01.50 | gpunk | then bg |
| 15:01.56 | bitlan | or use screen |
| 15:02.03 | RoyK | or tmux |
| 15:02.06 | amdp | also, I'd like to make a script that asks me wether to do or not a command.. |
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| 15:02.29 | greycat | note that ^Z will suspend the whole script, and bg will background the whole script. |
| 15:02.29 | amdp | gpunk: thank you, but that is sleeping the process, not ending it, right? |
| 15:02.42 | RoyK | if you bg the script and exit the terminal, the script usually dies, but you can ctrl+z, run bg, and then disown |
| 15:02.48 | gpunk | it pauses it, the you luch bg |
| 15:02.55 | slax0r | kill from within the script? |
| 15:02.59 | greycat | if you explicitly want to terminate a foreground process that a script has executed, find its PID and use kill on it. |
| 15:03.06 | slax0r | process & -> kill $! |
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| 15:03.29 | RoyK | slax0r: if it's sleeping, you might need kill -9 |
| 15:03.35 | greycat | NOMNOPOOOO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO |
| 15:03.36 | greycat | NEVER |
| 15:03.41 | greycat | STOP SAYING THAT SHIT |
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| 15:04.08 | HoloIRCUser3 | amdp:you may use trap |
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| 15:04.13 | slax0r | what shit? |
| 15:04.22 | greycat | "if it's sleeping use kill -9" |
| 15:04.28 | greycat | ^^^ WRONG!!!! |
| 15:04.32 | slax0r | oh |
| 15:04.33 | amdp | the steps are: launch mysql server, launch phpartisan, keep it running. When I finished, I want to end php artisan, and the script ends shutting down the mysql server |
| 15:04.33 | slax0r | yeah |
| 15:04.40 | neirac | I'm trying to create a local repo but I'm getting this error "Repository does not contain a Release file" but I have one in there |
| 15:04.52 | slax0r | I specifically left out the flag, because I don't know how you want to terminate the process |
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| 15:04.57 | slax0r | maybe you want sigterm instead of sigkill |
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| 15:04.59 | RoyK | greycat: not at all - sometimes SIGKILL is needed - beleive me on that ;) |
| 15:05.09 | greycat | ALWAWYS use -TERM (or leave it out -- it's the default!) |
| 15:05.14 | gpunk | just lunch fg to bring it back |
| 15:05.20 | tw | bitlan: I think you'll have to noauto it and manually set it up in a custom init script. |
| 15:05.22 | greycat | RoyK: Shut up NOW or I will +q you. |
| 15:05.28 | sphalerite_ | hi folks. Is there a particular reason that FTP connections to debian's mirrors seem to be getting blackholed rather than being explicitly refused? That just cost me half an hour of trying to work out why apt-get update on this ancient machine wouldn't finish |
| 15:05.39 | slax0r | greycat: why is sigkill so bad? |
| 15:05.52 | RoyK | greycat: wtf? I've only used linux for 24 years, ok, but - what? |
| 15:05.55 | slax0r | I mean, if you don't care how the process ends, all you care about that it just ends, and it ends NOW |
| 15:05.56 | greycat | It destroys any chance the process has of cleaning up its temporary files and other resources. |
| 15:05.57 | amdp | sigterm is invoked how? |
| 15:06.01 | gpunk | some peopel are answering without reading questions ! |
| 15:06.03 | greycat | amdp: "kill" |
| 15:06.16 | gpunk | stop with your kill commands |
| 15:06.21 | slax0r | greycat: sure, but you don't care about that |
| 15:06.30 | slax0r | and afaik, a process can "ignore" a sigterm |
| 15:06.32 | slax0r | can it not? |
| 15:06.41 | greycat | Sure. If it's shit. |
| 15:06.41 | slax0r | or what if it hangs trying to clean up |
| 15:06.42 | tw | bitlan: or enable rc.local and do it there, but that may be too late for the rest of your init processes. |
| 15:06.50 | greycat | slax0r: then you REBOOT |
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| 15:07.02 | greycat | Safer than -9ing something. |
| 15:07.25 | slax0r | I must say I never faced an issue due to sigkill |
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| 15:07.28 | sphalerite_ | greycat: pretty sure it gets -9'd by init before rebooting if it's ignoring SIGTERM :) |
| 15:07.38 | tw | which is a reboot specific condition. |
| 15:07.39 | greycat | If it "hangs" because of broken hardware, crappy USB interface, or down NFS server, you are going to end up rebooting (or even power cycling) anyway. |
| 15:07.48 | greycat | No point adding "I broke a process" on top of that. |
| 15:08.43 | amdp | greycat: the only way I found is ctrl-z, sudo kill $(sudo lsof -t -i:8000), fg |
| 15:09.03 | amdp | but it is not automatic :-( |
| 15:09.10 | greycat | amdp: isn't that what I said to do? Find the PID and kill it. |
| 15:09.26 | amdp | greycat: it's not automated |
| 15:09.27 | slax0r | it's also something I said |
| 15:09.27 | greycat | No need to background it first. Just open a new window and find the PID there using ps or pgrep or whatever. |
| 15:09.37 | greycat | amdp: I never said to automate it. |
| 15:09.49 | greycat | This was a request for something done ONE TIME by HAND. |
| 15:10.03 | amdp | greycat: I said I want to automate it :D |
| 15:10.16 | greycat | Then fix the script/. |
| 15:10.20 | amdp | how |
| 15:10.23 | slax0r | amdp: and I asked you, how do you START the process from inside the script |
| 15:10.28 | greycat | What do you want the script to do? |
| 15:10.58 | amdp | launch mysql server, launch phpartisan, keep it running. When I finished, I want to end php artisan, and the script ends shutting down the mysql server |
| 15:11.26 | amdp | slax0r: php artisan serve |
| 15:11.32 | greycat | How does it "launch mysql server"? This is #debian. The mysql server should be running as a service. |
| 15:11.48 | greycat | You stop and start that service using "systemctl" or "service" commands. |
| 15:12.09 | amdp | my server is debian, sorry, I am in the wrong channel |
| 15:12.15 | amdp | apologises |
| 15:13.53 | slax0r | this is an development environment then, I see no issue why you couldn't find the PID of that by hand, and killing it when you need to |
| 15:14.09 | greycat | Or learn how to write a script. |
| 15:14.20 | slax0r | and even if this is not in debian, majority of modern distros run a database as a service, so you're probably doing something very wrong |
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| 15:14.41 | slax0r | and completely agree with greycats last satatement there |
| 15:15.46 | amdp | If I knew how to write a script I wouldn't ask here gentlemen |
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| 15:17.28 | amdp | slax0r: not wrong if I follow the developers' documentation |
| 15:18.02 | slax0r | laravel is telling you to this this way? oh god... |
| 15:18.02 | greycat | well, we need to know what "phpartisan" is, and what "end php artisan" means. Is it interactive? Is it a daemon? How do you know when you want to "end" it? |
| 15:18.03 | amdp | what is wrong, where, and why |
| 15:18.51 | slax0r | greycat: "php artisan serve" is basically "bash some-bash-script parameter" but for php |
| 15:19.08 | greycat | so it's a foreground process that exits all by itself when it's done? |
| 15:19.17 | amdp | php artisan serve launches laravel development server |
| 15:19.25 | greycat | and that is...? |
| 15:19.31 | greycat | a daemon? |
| 15:19.49 | slax0r | greycat: I'm not 100% sure, because I tend to stay away from laravel as far away as possbile, but I'm guessing it launches the internal php server (php -S) |
| 15:20.03 | greycat | sounds like a question for ##php |
| 15:20.30 | slax0r | amdp: what's wrong is, that someone would suggest running a database server from a script, when it should be ran as a service on the system, or in some virtual/containerized environment |
| 15:20.39 | slax0r | more like #laravel tbh |
| 15:20.43 | greycat | fair enough |
| 15:20.59 | amdp | right |
| 15:21.02 | tw | It's a REPL. It shouldn't be a service. |
| 15:21.07 | amdp | in any case no, it's not a daemon |
| 15:21.27 | amdp | I can see it running and displaying requests |
| 15:21.49 | amdp | in any case, thanks guys :-) |
| 15:22.05 | tw | There's probably a command you can type into the console to make it exit. Probably `exit` |
| 15:22.26 | greycat | So how about: you leave the mysql database running 100% of the time, do not stop it, do not start it, and just run your REPL (interactive foreground process) and that's it. |
| 15:22.35 | slax0r | I don't think it's interactive, normally you kill it with ctrl+c |
| 15:22.51 | greycat | I'm getting contradictory statements, then. |
| 15:23.05 | slax0r | tw: and I was refering to the DB, not the artisan command, and DB should be ran as a service imho |
| 15:23.25 | amdp | greycat: yes, but that is a little waste |
| 15:24.04 | greycat | How so? An idle database just occupies some virtual memory and will be swapped out if it's idle long enough on a system with other RAM demands. |
| 15:24.28 | greycat | The time spend stopping and starting it and WORRYING about stopping and starting it is far more of a waste. |
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| 15:25.26 | tw | ^- mysql will go down to ~90MB in the default debian config with 0 clients. Postgresql is even less, depending on what your shared size is and the number of procs. It's trivial. |
| 15:25.33 | tw | (amd64) |
| 15:26.10 | slax0r | greycat: contradictory statements in what sense? |
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| 15:26.30 | greycat | 10:21 tw> It's a REPL. It shouldn't be a service. 10:22 slax0r> I don't think it's interactive, normally you kill it with ctrl+c |
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| 15:27.09 | tw | I'm probably wrong, I've only run it as REPL with tinker. |
| 15:27.15 | slax0r | well, afaik, php artisan serve will just launch a web server of some sorts, and print request logs to stdout by default, but you can't transmit commands to it, like "exit" i.e. |
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| 15:29.12 | greycat | OK, so the *original* request was "I want my script to start the DB service, run the fg-web-server-thing, wait for Ctrl-C, stop the fg-web-server-thing, and then stop the DB service"? |
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| 15:30.00 | slax0r | I don't think he wants to stop the DB |
| 15:30.24 | slax0r | ah no, when the script ends it should end mysql too |
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| 15:30.27 | greycat | systemctl start mysql; sleep 5; php artisan thing & pid=$!; trap 'kill $pid; systemctl stop mysql' EXIT; wait |
| 15:30.31 | krundel | I was wondering if you guys could give your opinion on a partition layout for a server with 1 120GB SSD and 4 X 2 TB HDD in Raid 5. It is software raid. This is going to be a web server/fileserver. |
| 15:31.03 | greycat | I still think stopping and restarting mysql is a waste of resources (vs. just letting it sit idle), but that's what the original request was, so. |
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| 15:31.24 | slax0r | krundel: standard, and keep the raid mounted ... somewhere |
| 15:31.39 | petn-randall | krundel: I'd put LVM on top of the RAID5, and then either use the SSD as bcache, or mount it so your DB can use it. |
| 15:31.43 | greycat | and I'm sure there's some cleaner way to "wait for mysql service to report readiness" but sleep 5 is easy to write |
| 15:31.50 | petn-randall | kunwon1: RAID5 and any type of DB usually don't mix well. |
| 15:32.13 | krundel | slax0r: I was think boot and bin on the ssd but everything else on the raid |
| 15:32.29 | slax0r | boot and bin are quite a bit smaller than 120G |
| 15:32.36 | koollman | raid5 and any random i/o is not ideal |
| 15:32.46 | slax0r | <100M on my machine |
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| 15:33.17 | slax0r | how large do you expec the db to be? |
| 15:33.33 | slax0r | because I'd use the raid for just files, and keep the DB on the ssd |
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| 15:36.33 | tw | Question about RAID5 on 4x disks, is that a normal config? doesn't the stripe size end up something weird like 384K? |
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| 15:36.59 | slax0r | tw: maybe the fourth is a hot-spare |
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| 15:38.03 | krundel | I am using the 4th as a hotspare |
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| 15:38.40 | krundel | I guess I will make a job to backup the DBs to the raid nightly |
| 15:38.55 | slax0r | you should backup your data anyway |
| 15:38.57 | slax0r | raid != backup |
| 15:39.10 | krundel | It backups offsite nightly |
| 15:39.10 | slax0r | probably want an off-site backup too |
| 15:39.15 | slax0r | ah |
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| 15:40.19 | krundel | I am just using the raid for dive failure |
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| 15:40.47 | krundel | Thats why having the stuff just on the ssd scares me alittle |
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| 15:42.36 | tw | Do you write to the DB often or is it mostly read? |
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| 15:46.26 | JohnA | similar ? to krundel, 5 * 2t - raid 10 (4 live, 1 spare). looking to run nextcloud + postfix/dovecot |
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| 15:48.06 | sai1 | wo |
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| 15:52.05 | petn-randall | JohnA: RAID10 is completely fine for DBs, 5 isn't. |
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| 15:56.24 | JohnA | petn-randall, i have seen some articles that make the case that rain 5/6 are a waste of time and the performance penalty is too great. |
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| 15:59.28 | krundel | The minimum drive for raid 10 is 4. I think. Maybe I will swith to 10. |
| 15:59.37 | krundel | switch* |
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| 16:01.06 | JohnA | swap=32g, temp 10g, / 30g, home 20g, var 30g, data space 3.8t. would it be better to have a /var/mail partition or just mak it part of data sapce |
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| 16:03.42 | JordiGH | Why does rustc have a +dfsg in its version number? |
| 16:04.00 | JordiGH | The first version number with +dfsg in the changelog says something about removing llvm sources. |
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| 16:04.26 | JordiGH | Eh? Bundled libs doesn't sound like a dfsg problem. |
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| 16:07.50 | petn-randall | JohnA: Quite the opposite, you just need to know when to use the right tool for the right problem. |
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| 16:18.44 | JohnA | petn-randall, so you feel the raid 5/6 are OK in the right circumstance. ? when is it OK. my understanding is that it is OK when the major use is data retrieval - Web pages, document archives ... but if the requirement is an active data store then the overhead on writing is too great. |
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| 16:20.11 | petn-randall | JohnA: With RAID6 *any* two disks can fail, and the data is still available. With RAID10, if you're unlucky, two disk failures is all you need to kiss your data good-bye. |
| 16:21.00 | petn-randall | JohnA: Random I/O (typical for databases) doesn't work well with RAID5 or 6 due to write amplification. So you have to take you usage pattern into account when picking RAID level. |
| 16:21.34 | petn-randall | JohnA: Also with RAID1(0) you'll always loose half the disk space to redundancy, this is much smaller with RAID5/6. |
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| 16:25.15 | JohnA | petn-randall, I wonder if the raid 5/6 overhead is that bad. when you consider up time. |
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| 16:25.58 | greycat | Only you can decide that. Every usage pattern is different. |
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| 16:27.44 | petn-randall | JohnA: All the backup servers I built in the past have RAID6. Because sequential I/O scales great with RAID6. |
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| 16:50.20 | jelly | petn-randall: converting backup streams from 50 parallel clients into linear io is left as an exercise for the reader? |
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| 16:50.58 | Goldi22 | hi guys maybe someone knows how to add exception on pptp vpn? split tunneling, I need just 1 app to use my real connection |
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| 16:54.35 | petn-randall | jelly: bareos/bacula already does that for you. Also, depending on your network throughput, you probably don't want that many in parallel, anyway. |
| 16:56.32 | t3st3r | Goldi22> an obvious idea would be to try namespaces with different network setups. |
| 16:57.53 | t3st3r | and then start app in appropriate (network) namespace |
| 16:57.53 | Goldi22 | I dont know how to do that |
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| 16:58.14 | Goldi22 | and will it really work? |
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| 16:58.53 | t3st3r | I know at least 2 ways to go like that. One is to use "ip", another is to use "firejail". Also systemd, but is isnt good way to run "apps" I guess. |
| 16:59.20 | t3st3r | You can have different network setups, with different routes, firewall rules and so on. |
| 16:59.42 | Goldi22 | can you give me a link where it says how to do this |
| 16:59.58 | Goldi22 | i would prefer the ip method |
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| 17:00.51 | t3st3r | basically you can run few IFs on top of one by virtue of VLANs and move some of VLANs to different namespace. |
| 17:01.12 | t3st3r | overall it would look like "new machine" in the net, so it could enjoy by "own" settings. |
| 17:01.31 | Goldi22 | ... sorry m8 I have 0 clue what you are talking about absolute debian beginner here |
| 17:01.46 | t3st3r | and yes I've tried that trick and it worked :) |
| 17:02.26 | t3st3r | it isn't even debian specific, rather Linux specific. |
| 17:02.56 | petn-randall | Goldi22: Which OS release are you running? |
| 17:03.03 | Goldi22 | debian 8 |
| 17:03.24 | t3st3r | "ip" is rather fancy tool, it can do a bit more ppl can imagine :) |
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| 17:04.50 | Goldi22 | first of all what files need to be edited for this to work? |
| 17:05.54 | Goldi22 | someone will make my day if this can be done |
| 17:06.00 | t3st3r | ip is command line tool, I'm not sure existing config files can handle something like custom net configuration for just 1 app |
| 17:06.29 | Goldi22 | okay so whats the easiest way to do this? |
| 17:07.53 | t3st3r | well, for me it has been quite straightforward to create vlan IF on top of ETH so it appears as another Ethernet attached to same net, using underlying Eth to send packets. |
| 17:08.08 | t3st3r | then I can move it to other namespace and get it configured like if that was yet another computer. |
| 17:08.20 | Goldi22 | https://serverfault.com/questions/452301/split-tunnel-vpn-with-pptp-linux |
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| 17:08.26 | t3st3r | and then one have to run program in that namespace |
| 17:08.37 | Goldi22 | can you check if this method is any similiar to yours |
| 17:08.45 | t3st3r | but its me, maybe there're easier things for you |
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| 17:09.03 | Goldi22 | in theory it sounds ok but I got no clue how |
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| 17:11.22 | t3st3r | they offered to remove default route from VPN. VPN would not be default route, sure. But it affects everything. |
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| 17:11.49 | t3st3r | Though if you do not have default route over vpn you can configure desired routes for desired destinations only. |
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| 17:12.46 | t3st3r | but it's not about "one app" but rather about destination addresses and so on |
| 17:13.10 | zomaar | I just had the most brilliant SSH disconnect. |
| 17:13.42 | zomaar | Logged in over a bad link to a server and then logged in again to a container. But the outside link didn't break, no the inside one did. |
| 17:14.20 | zomaar | "broken pipe", magical |
| 17:14.45 | Goldi22 | t3st3r can you find a tutorial for me? my vpn is setup by command line with PPPT |
| 17:14.52 | teclo- | il s'est cassé la pipe :P |
| 17:15.23 | zomaar | Je ne parlais pas Français |
| 17:15.25 | petn-randall | !tutorial |
| 17:15.25 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 17:16.43 | t3st3r | Goldi22> well, I've mostly used "man ip" to learn what it could do. Though there are some fancy tutorials on how to split one Ethernet to bunch of "vlan" things running on top of that. |
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| 17:17.34 | t3st3r | and to my distaste "ip" is a bit underdocumented for such a powerful tool. |
| 17:17.44 | rakon | Hi there, I'm looking for some help if anyone has experience recovering cryptsetup/lvm devices |
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| 17:18.12 | petn-randall | rakon: Ask away, if someone knows the answer they'll respond. |
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| 17:21.41 | rakon | I tried to install debian with the gui, but it did write over my lvm container seemingly though I tried my best to avoid that. this here is the lsblk output for reference https://ptpb.pw/xjuR |
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| 17:22.23 | petn-randall | rakon: Restore from backups. |
| 17:22.25 | rakon | It used to be a fedora in lvm container, with logical volumes on sda5, as you see on the screen, encrypted with luks |
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| 17:23.13 | rakon | I'm trying to get fedora-home mounted, but it's only possible with fedora-root |
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| 17:23.35 | petn-randall | rakon: Why so? |
| 17:23.37 | rakon | decrypting and mounting dm-0 which maps to fedora-home |
| 17:23.45 | rakon | isnt possible |
| 17:24.23 | rakon | petn-randall well, using cryptsetup luksOpen gives me a "not valid luks device" |
| 17:24.44 | rakon | as you see on the lsblk it doesnt have a fstype and uuid either |
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| 17:25.45 | rakon | I'm sure the data is still there, but have no clue on how I can decrypt a device if it's not even recognized as valid |
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| 17:25.48 | petn-randall | rakon: What is the output of 'lvs'? |
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| 17:27.01 | jelly | rakon: notice that lsblk did not recognize any metadata on /dev/mapper/fedora-home (unlike /dev/mapper/fedora-root), it might be ruined |
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| 17:27.34 | rakon | yea and hence I'm asking what can be done and what probably can't be |
| 17:27.40 | rakon | or at least directions where to start |
| 17:27.51 | t3st3r | Goldi22> if my idea sounds unusual you can try to disable default route as suggested, but then be prepared to learn a lot where programs connect and if you can pinpoint differences, adding right exception as route. |
| 17:27.55 | jelly | rakon: if it used to be a LUKS container with keys in the header, and you do not have a backup of luks keys, it's gone |
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| 17:28.19 | petn-randall | (hence why I asked about backups) |
| 17:28.25 | mutante | what are network devices starting with "enp.." followed by some number. suddenly i am told i have a cabled ethernet connection.. but there is no cable anywhere near me.. heh |
| 17:29.23 | rakon | jelly that's what I was thinking of too, but is there any other possibility you know of or directives I could look at? |
| 17:29.42 | Goldi22 | I already forgot your idea m8 because I cant make your theory into a code. |
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| 17:30.04 | petn-randall | !interface names |
| 17:30.04 | dpkg | Starting with <stretch>, network interface names have changed from the previous convention of eth0, eth1/wlan0, wlan1 to names based on the device vendor or driver. This has some upsides and some downsides. For more information and options, see https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ or ask me about <dpni>. |
| 17:30.07 | petn-randall | mutante: ^^^ |
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| 17:30.24 | t3st3r | The idea is to "create another container", which is like 2nd computer to your net and push app into it. |
| 17:30.26 | jelly | rakon: no, if there was I'd mention it already |
| 17:30.50 | jelly | no luks keys? no data recovery |
| 17:31.04 | rakon | jelly even if the passwords where same? |
| 17:31.07 | jelly | that's the POINT of encryption |
| 17:31.13 | t3st3r | it allows one to omit figuring out all addresses all programs are using and tedious network research |
| 17:31.23 | jelly | rakon: passphrase doesn't matter. |
| 17:31.24 | Goldi22 | I dont even want to start doing it first of all because this is a VM image of Debian so I imagine it would bring some complications |
| 17:31.39 | jelly | it's not used to create the key, just to unpack it so to speak |
| 17:31.44 | rakon | jelly ok, thanks for your insight, now I have clarity |
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| 17:33.21 | Goldi22 | can someone check this and say if its exactly the same for debian https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PPTP_Client#Split_Tunneling |
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| 17:33.31 | t3st3r | Vm... hmm, interesting. The only fundamental prob I see if VM software attempts to be way too smartass while dealing with net packets. |
| 17:33.53 | Goldi22 | the Split Tunneling part, because recognize this ip-up.d |
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| 17:34.48 | Goldi22 | this is rocket science for me |
| 17:34.54 | t3st3r | and if its VM image, wouldn't it be easiest way to split that into 2 VMs and launch desired app in 2nd one? |
| 17:35.02 | t3st3r | Obvious disadvantage is resources overhead |
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| 17:35.14 | Goldi22 | cant do that |
| 17:36.00 | Goldi22 | Host os(no vpn) Linux -- Guest os(pptp vpn) Debian Linux. |
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| 17:36.26 | Goldi22 | basicallt I need to split vpn inside guest os |
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| 17:39.26 | Goldi22 | I keep finding tuts how to make split tunneling or routing, but none of them even mention how after that run a software thriugh that tunnel... |
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| 17:41.21 | t3st3r | interesting. Script like they show for ppp interface is likely to work in Debian as well. At least I do not see obvious reasons why not. |
| 17:42.08 | Goldi22 | http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml |
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| 17:42.49 | t3st3r | So arch got rather good example of policy based routing by ports. If your can write rules which distinguish your app's traffic, it could work. |
| 17:43.15 | t3st3r | but it would be up to you to figure all traffic rules appropriate to your app |
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| 17:44.28 | Goldi22 | I will just find someone who can do it for me for a small payment because I wont waste 3 days on this small error |
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| 17:45.09 | amdp | HoloIRCUser1: thanks for the trap trick! |
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| 17:46.57 | amdp | SIGTERM = Ctrl-C ? |
| 17:48.39 | t3st3r | SIGTERM is posix signal. There're many ways one can send or receive one. |
| 17:48.57 | amdp | which one is the equivalent of Ctrl-c? |
| 17:49.03 | amdp | SIGKILL? SGIQUIT? |
| 17:49.03 | jelly | amdp: no, ^C sends SIGINT |
| 17:49.04 | greycat | SIGINT |
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| 17:49.10 | amdp | thanks!! |
| 17:49.22 | greycat | Are we back to this again? Did I not already give a full solution? I could have sworn I did. |
| 17:49.22 | t3st3r | Basically it's "gentle" request from system to program to terminate. Program can handle it and shut down gracefully. |
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| 17:50.35 | amdp | greycat: I am using your solution keeping the mysql server going on but I want to solve the thing the same just for my learning |
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| 17:51.22 | greycat | 10:30 greycat> systemctl start mysql; sleep 5; php artisan thing & pid=$!; trap 'kill $pid; systemctl stop mysql' EXIT; wait |
| 17:51.35 | greycat | that's for bash |
| 17:52.16 | amdp | it worked with SIGINT :D |
| 17:52.36 | amdp | trap should go before php |
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| 17:52.57 | greycat | The php command is launched in the background. |
| 17:53.17 | amdp | thanks everyone :-) HoloIRCUser1 thank you very much |
| 17:53.37 | amdp | greycat: thanks :-) |
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| 17:57.03 | itachi | - |
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| 17:58.43 | jelly | wonders whether to make a spamming script telling people to dist-upgrade and reboot into a patched kernel if they're still on old kernel ABI, like -itachi- VERSION HexChat 2.12.4 / Linux 4.9.0-4-amd64 [x86_64/2.26GHz] |
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| 18:00.10 | somiaj | jelly: is it possible to tell what kernel people are running, or would it have to trigger when someone mentions they are running an older kernel? |
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| 18:00.48 | jelly | somiaj: that was a response to irc CTCP VERSION "query" |
| 18:01.16 | jelly | itachi did not say anything other than: - |
| 18:02.08 | somiaj | yea, I've inofmred those I notice are still on older kernels. Did someone ever give dpkg a factoid for this? |
| 18:02.24 | zomaar | Ha, I only get "Konversation 1.6.1 (C) 2002-2016 by the Konversation team." from me, no kernel spam for me :p. |
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| 18:03.24 | jelly | that's clearly because konversation is inferior to hexchat |
| 18:03.27 | jelly | hides |
| 18:03.47 | zomaar | Yes I was gonna say the advantages of using a bad client :D |
| 18:03.52 | gpunk | nothing is superior to kvirc :p |
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| 18:05.40 | EnchanterTim | why do you sit there day after day, doing support for debian? |
| 18:05.44 | EnchanterTim | What drives you? |
| 18:05.50 | EnchanterTim | Where do you get your passion? |
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| 18:06.11 | EnchanterTim | And/or energy not only physically but psychologically to deal with other people's problems |
| 18:06.11 | koollman | EnchanterTim: I like solving puzzles |
| 18:06.21 | jelly | warm fuzzy feelings in the tummy |
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| 18:06.28 | t3st3r | jelly> your version does not tells about kernel :( |
| 18:06.40 | hypn0 | I don't, ding something elses EnchanterTim |
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| 18:06.45 | hypn0 | doing |
| 18:07.00 | jelly | t3st3r: I have no idea which of 2-3 clients you got the answer from, I thought I disabled CTCP in all of them |
| 18:07.15 | t3st3r | well, it was ZNC :) |
| 18:07.27 | t3st3r | so I guess it wasn't client but bouncer? |
| 18:07.39 | jelly | EnchanterTim: for me it's almost never the main activity, just something on the side if I have a minute |
| 18:07.50 | hypn0 | EnchanterTim: why do you ask, are you ding a survey? |
| 18:09.00 | hypn0 | I just sit here to take credit for others :-) |
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| 18:11.13 | zomaar | I sit here to support myself if no one else does |
| 18:11.24 | zomaar | I am liberal with my time that way |
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| 18:20.08 | thed0g3 | Hey, I was having space issues on my Debian laptop's btrfs filesystem, so I followed the steps on http://marc.merlins.org/perso/btrfs/post_2014-05-04_Fixing-Btrfs-Filesystem-Full-Problems.html, including mounting a loop device to create temporary extra space. I forgot to delete the loop device from the btrfs fs, and when I reboot, I get `BTRFS error: failed to read chunk tree: -5, open_ctree failed`. `btrfs check` returns `bytenr mismatch, wan |
| 18:20.10 | thed0g3 | t=167954300928, have=0`. Any ideas how to proceed? |
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| 18:21.00 | jelly | thed0g3: google btrfs faq, read: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Help.21_I_ran_out_of_disk_space.21 |
| 18:21.12 | zomaar | I got banned on #httpd by refusing to not use .htaccess, it's the first time I've been banned on IRC I think |
| 18:21.25 | thed0g3 | jelly: I fixed that problem, but can't boot because of it. |
| 18:21.26 | aib | if I add Microsoft's release signing key to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d, will they be able to MITM and sign every package apt sees? How can I restrict that key to sources in, say, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/microsoft.list ? |
| 18:21.30 | jelly | thed0g3: maybe, don't use experimental filesystems on machines that need to work |
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| 18:21.43 | greycat | refusing ... to not use ... so you *used*? |
| 18:21.56 | zomaar | Yes |
| 18:22.06 | thed0g3 | jelly: Agreed, but that decision was made years ago with no issues until now |
| 18:22.14 | hypn0 | zomaar: getting banned on irc is normal, meaningless :-) |
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| 18:25.44 | jelly | thed0g3: ask in #btrfs maybe |
| 18:25.59 | zomaar | I admit, I am a user |
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| 18:27.22 | zomaar | I would suggest going there and then say "I use .htaccess :)" |
| 18:27.28 | zomaar | Haha lol sorry I'll shut it |
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| 18:28.07 | greycat | I could go there and say "I use nginx" and I bet I'd get kicked too. |
| 18:28.37 | jelly | zomaar: as long as you're not an addict |
| 18:28.56 | zomaar | We all have our guilty pleasures |
| 18:29.41 | zomaar | For instance I use cat with grep, @greycat |
| 18:30.19 | greycat | Cat abuse! |
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| 18:30.47 | greycat | Definitely not kick-worthy, though. At worst you're just wasting some CPU time. |
| 18:30.55 | petn-randall | useless use of cat! |
| 18:31.11 | empty_string | I pipe cat with one argument to less |
| 18:31.12 | jelly | useless use of cat can be instructive and constructive |
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| 18:31.42 | zomaar | And keeps commands readable |
| 18:32.59 | avis | anyone know if nicotine+ is licensed under gnu2 or gnu3 ? |
| 18:33.04 | zomaar | Maybe I will make a greycat command that cats everything in cyan text |
| 18:33.47 | zomaar | tar is gnu2 |
| 18:34.04 | greycat | zomaar: cyancat() { tput setaf 6; cat "$@"; tput sgr0; } |
| 18:34.30 | avis | did amule exist in win98 days ? amule that is linux ? |
| 18:34.45 | zomaar | I'm even wrong |
| 18:35.29 | avis | thats a irregular expression that outputs the value of 6 to sgr0 at points3 6 9 5 and 70 for its interface |
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| 18:35.46 | greycat | It's a shell function. |
| 18:35.52 | zomaar | If tar is gnu3 and nicotine is gnu2, then what would cigarettes be? |
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| 18:38.18 | avis | non-taxable, the reason being is if something is available, and it works, its covered under legal rights of its countries that includes cops need them all the time, and even can watch over the people, even isps didnt' stop it, not the cops, and if they cops its not a drug, its a cigar, also cops need it, not to mention, even in jail while in foregin countries, who are licensed in many who may have children using it, or their friends, who have to |
| 18:38.18 | avis | live and must be happy to do so |
| 18:38.54 | avis | my /msg missed went to channel |
| 18:39.18 | jelly | points at #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:42.55 | zomaar | stares suspiciously at #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:45.02 | Guest7 | hi! how can i install package (for example htop) when installing debian from debian-netinstall? Or i can do this only after reboot? |
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| 18:48.54 | somiaj | Guest7: do you really need that during the installer? While running in the installer, you won't be running off your system, so installing htop on it may not be what you want. |
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| 18:49.47 | Guest7 | somiaj its only for example |
| 18:49.48 | somiaj | well for example, what is the goal. To get more software installed by default during the install stage, or ot have access to teh software while running the installer? |
| 18:49.48 | jelly | Guest7: you can switch to console on Alt-F2 before reboot, chroot to /target and install things |
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| 18:50.18 | Guest7 | jelly uhoh, you are my hero :3 |
| 18:50.23 | Guest7 | tx |
| 18:50.32 | jelly | Guest7: but what's the difference between installing stuff then and after reboot? |
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| 18:51.46 | Guest7 | jelly i'm just strange dude with some strange ideas |
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| 19:06.37 | mutante | password8: you can generate one with like . https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ https://debgen.xyz/ that might not look very "official" but the best sources list depends on your location |
| 19:06.58 | mutante | so in the installer it asks you which mirror to use etc |
| 19:07.14 | password8 | ok next noob question , which debian did I install :D |
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| 19:07.39 | greycat | password8: lsb_release -a |
| 19:07.40 | mutante | password8: lsb_release -a |
| 19:08.03 | password8 | ah awesome , thanx |
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| 19:10.29 | password8 | mutante, thanx for the link , I always end up messing up my sources , bookmarked |
| 19:10.46 | greycat | password8: there's also: /msg dpkg stretch sources.list |
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| 19:11.52 | baba_ | test |
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| 19:15.23 | greycat | (he crossposted that from #openssh) |
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| 19:18.11 | JustASlacker | doubt it |
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| 19:19.20 | baba_ | Hello, all....Is it possible to get a quirks match even if the device in question does not have a vendor id/product id listed in any driver code? |
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| 19:28.07 | rektide | anyone know how i can move from one hdmi port to another on this computer? |
| 19:28.08 | rektide | lol |
| 19:28.58 | rektide | xrandr won't let me output to the one i want to switch to until i plug something in. but i just have this one monitor. so i unplug the monitor, move it to the other port, then have nothing on screen because i haven't run xrandr to change it yet (because it wouldn't let me) |
| 19:29.50 | rektide | i really wish there were a way to disable monitor detection. it'd be great to be able to "output" to not-plugged in display as a virtual desktop type thing. |
| 19:30.33 | greycat | if that's the actual goal then you want xvfb |
| 19:31.01 | rektide | but xvfb is slow-balls software, right? what if i want some virtual desktop with opengl? |
| 19:31.21 | greycat | see, I knew that wasn't going to be the actual goal |
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| 19:31.37 | rektide | but that's not actually what i'm trying to do atm. i'm just once again hampered by this horrible annoying frustrating thing where linux only lets me output to plugged in things. |
| 19:31.40 | greycat | now i just need someone to explain why you're switching a single monitor back and forth between two output ports on the same PC |
| 19:31.44 | zomaar | What is the difference between buffers and cache again? |
| 19:31.57 | rektide | the cable sticks out funny in the port it's plugged in |
| 19:32.03 | rektide | 16 more questions greycat keep asking |
| 19:32.11 | rektide | i hate this part of irc |
| 19:32.40 | zomaar | rektide: There is a way to run udev events for the monitor plugin |
| 19:32.48 | rektide | i have to subjugate myself to the grand inquisitors before anyone is willing to think of offering help and usually they dont help me afterwords anyways. |
| 19:33.16 | greycat | That's because we're trying to figure out what you actually NEED. Which is very rarely what you actually SAY you need. |
| 19:33.25 | rektide | i told you exactly what i need. |
| 19:33.32 | greycat | Maybe the correct solution is a differently shaped HDMI cable. |
| 19:33.42 | rektide | your anal retentive desire to poke and prod feels like i'm getting mega jerked around |
| 19:33.47 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:34.22 | rektide | it's all classic irc behavior. and i understand often there are other ways to help. but irc's blanket resistance to answer a point blank question is just stupid. |
| 19:34.39 | rektide | a waste of time and space and bits |
| 19:35.01 | baba_ | well..any insights into drivers for my device? |
| 19:35.05 | toxync12 | [melt@tox] Wait, I have a suggestion: |
| 19:35.07 | rektide | i own plenty of hdmi cables. i simply don't want to plug in to the port all the way on the bottom the device. |
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| 19:39.46 | zomaar | rektide: I agree with you there I must say |
| 19:40.12 | baba_ | It would be most appreciated.... |
| 19:40.30 | rektide | zomaar: thank you for the udev assistance. i was reading into some great scripts people had written. |
| 19:40.48 | rektide | it occured to me that i could just `sleep 20 ; xrandr [....]` and make it all go |
| 19:41.15 | zomaar | rektide: Put "ACTION=="change", SUBSYSTEM=="drm", RUN+="/home/user/scripts/fixscreen" or something into /etc/udev/rules.d/99-monitor-change.rules |
| 19:41.46 | zomaar | But, you need to first find the DISPLAY as well |
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| 19:41.52 | zomaar | So normally :0 |
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| 19:42.05 | toxync12 | [melt@tox] my display is usually on my desk |
| 19:42.45 | greycat | before he insulted me and I ignored him, I was thinking along the lines of binding his magic-xrandr-command to a key event in the WM, but hey, I'm just some anal retentive asshole, so what do I possibly know... |
| 19:43.28 | greycat | I also didn't google for shaped HDMI cables, because, again, why would I bother helping someone who just insults me out of the blue |
| 19:43.45 | rektide | greycat writes good faqs and i feel bad for hurting his poor feelings but also fuck his noise |
| 19:43.50 | rektide | what a baby |
| 19:44.02 | rektide | oh language! sorry. |
| 19:44.29 | zomaar | :) |
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| 19:44.50 | rektide | it's not specifically him, it's a huge prevalent attitude on irc and it's poison |
| 19:45.02 | zomaar | I know |
| 19:45.07 | rektide | after the first couple decades you realize- it's not me! it's them |
| 19:45.14 | zomaar | Basically you can do sudo -u user DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
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| 19:45.56 | zomaar | My exposure to WoW trade chat made me aware it was not me ;-) |
| 19:47.21 | zomaar | Actually I have been so lazy that I run bin/xr in a terminal after login because KScreen puts my monitor all wrong and I can't be bothered to use it to set things right |
| 19:47.42 | zomaar | I have win+T hotkeyed to Konsole and then run bin/xr ;-) |
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| 19:49.17 | zomaar | rektide: People succumb to the attitude when they don't know the answer to your question and want you to ask a different question that they do have the answer to |
| 19:49.33 | greycat | OK, fuck you too. |
| 19:49.41 | greycat | *plonk* zomaar |
| 19:49.44 | zomaar | :) |
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| 19:49.56 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 19:49.57 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 19:50.01 | greycat | !xy |
| 19:50.02 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 19:50.07 | ska | Is there a standard way to patch spectre/meltdown on stable? |
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| 19:50.18 | ska | I did an upgrade but i didn't see a kernel upgrade yet. |
| 19:50.18 | rektide | hahaha people taking polteiness advice from a racist turd bag skum |
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| 19:50.22 | hicks_ | Sometimes people just honestly don't understand why you are wanting to do something any one way, asking for clarification isn't a bad think, especially when what you want to do may be achievable in a more convenient way for you. |
| 19:50.29 | greycat | ska: the security patched kernel has mitigation against meltdown. Nothing has mitigation against spectre yet. |
| 19:50.33 | zomaar | Then since your question was wrong, they can avoid answering it |
| 19:50.39 | hicks_ | *think/thing |
| 19:50.46 | greycat | ska: make sure you did a dist-upgrade, because there's a new package |
| 19:50.46 | toxync12 | [melt@tox] ska install power9 |
| 19:50.46 | rektide | lol i was literally just blogging about how bad it was that people still take ESR as gospel, and as an excuse to malign other people |
| 19:50.52 | teatime | why are people being rude to volunteers providing help out of kindness |
| 19:50.56 | teatime | get rekt |
| 19:50.58 | rektide | and greycat goes and references him |
| 19:51.21 | ska | greycat: does this require a reboot? |
| 19:51.33 | greycat | yes |
| 19:51.35 | rektide | teatime: often they're not helpful. they ask a long series of pointless questions that try to make you feel stupider. then they don't help, or offer stupid wrong suggestions (like buy a new hdmi cable) |
| 19:51.36 | ska | or a module re-insertion.. |
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| 19:51.43 | greycat | Full reboot for the new kernel. |
| 19:51.45 | teatime | rektide: take it to -offtopic |
| 19:51.52 | rektide | teatime: you started it |
| 19:51.59 | teatime | I'm sure *you* started it |
| 19:52.02 | rektide | teatime: don't ask a question you don't want helpful answers to |
| 19:52.20 | rektide | teatime: you asked the question my simpleton friend |
| 19:52.47 | teatime | rektide: do you get a lot of productive help w/ that attitude, I wonder? |
| 19:52.50 | BCMM | there is some mitigation for spectre in place already, but only in highly specific, limited scope |
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| 19:53.07 | rektide | teatime: now it's your turn to take it to #burnnotice. i'm going to go look for my wound cream. |
| 19:53.12 | BCMM | e.g. restricting access to accurate timing information in JS engines |
| 19:53.15 | teatime | sigh. |
| 19:53.16 | zomaar | Teatime If you would drop the noise, you also wouldn't have to direct people to #offtopic |
| 19:54.03 | teatime | Let me rephrase. Don't come in here and be rude to people trying to help you. Rudeness and ignorance is off-topic for #debian. |
| 19:54.36 | teatime | This notice is intended to be for your own benefit. /me steps out. |
| 19:54.54 | zomaar | Telling people that their questions are wrong and that they are doing the wrong thing is extremely rude and distruptive and actually violates most IRC policies, yet it is done all the time |
| 19:55.26 | rektide | teatime: i felt like i was getting really rude in-appropriate "assistance" that was way way off topic to what i needed help with |
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| 19:56.33 | darokthar | Hi i got a problem with my dual monitor setup after upgrading to stretch. |
| 19:56.35 | rektide | teatime: any time i opened my mouth- to mention that oh hey linux has this stupid behavior where you can't use outputs that could be helpful if you want to make use of your gpu for hw acceleration vdi- i get flamed and double bent over. the immediate assumption was i had been double duplicitous and that it was going to take reaching twice as deep up my butt for him to figure out this whole sinister |
| 19:56.41 | rektide | complex hard mess. |
| 19:56.54 | darokthar | When i move the mouse between the screens one of them goes black for a few seconds. |
| 19:57.07 | rektide | teatime: it's not helpful. it was off topic, rude, and inappropriate. i feel no regret. |
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| 19:57.32 | rektide | all because i was trying to express some feelings about how i wanted my kernel to behave a little differently than it does |
| 19:57.59 | BCMM | darokthar: what WM are you using? (wondering if it's a compositor glitch) |
| 19:58.01 | antto | is there anything i can check to see if there's something not-quite-right with the HDD? |
| 19:58.18 | BCMM | antto: smartctl from smartmontools |
| 19:58.26 | darokthar | BCMM I'm using kde. |
| 19:59.01 | BCMM | antto: hdds have fairly elaborate built-in health checks, and smartctl is a tool to interface with them |
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| 19:59.18 | ska | greycat: ty. I'm on `4.9.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2` |
| 19:59.25 | darokthar | BCMM: I can although check if this happens in gnome. I will just have to login with it. |
| 19:59.40 | BCMM | darokthar: i was actually going to suggest checking it if happens with compositing disabled first |
| 19:59.50 | BCMM | darokthar: alt-shift-f12 by default, i think |
| 19:59.54 | greycat | ska: that's up to date for stable |
| 20:00.07 | BCMM | (you'll know if it works because everything gets a bit uglier; no drop shadows etc.) |
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| 20:01.03 | antto | BCMM, it's a relatively new hdd, western digital.. windows acts as if at random moments it struggles to read from it, throws blue screens eventually, says "atapi.sys disk2 timed out".. linux also acts the same, struggles to read.. the HDD LED becomes fully lit yet nothing happens for a random amount of time |
| 20:01.04 | BCMM | antto: first thing to check is `smartctl -H /dev/sdX`; which basically asks the hard drive if it already knows it has a problem |
| 20:01.43 | BCMM | antto: yeah that sounds like the disk is likely to be dodgy, or if you're really lucky a SATA cable needs pushing in properly |
| 20:01.55 | BCMM | antto: anything on dmesg? |
| 20:02.12 | BCMM | when it's that bad I kinda expect to see read errors there |
| 20:02.21 | antto | it takes ages for the terminal to start :/ |
| 20:02.58 | BCMM | antto: lol, that does sound bad. got a live system handy? |
| 20:03.02 | sdk | antto: you can boot on a usb key to do your smart test. So you'll avoid the lag. |
| 20:03.04 | BCMM | (e.g. leftover debian install cd) |
| 20:03.25 | zomaar | Using IRC for help often means being extremely focused on not straying from your question because otherwise your whole evening is wasted pleasing others for no purpose |
| 20:03.29 | antto | thing is, from the windows error messages, i cannot tell which device it talks about |
| 20:03.40 | antto | the HDD or the CDROM (which is empty) |
| 20:05.01 | BCMM | antto: the reference to "atapi.sys" kind of implies the CDROM is the problem, but y'know, windows is windows and doesn't always have to make sense |
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| 20:05.53 | BCMM | antto: how are the cd and hdd drives connected? if they're PATA (IDE) devices on a single ribbon cable a fault in one could easily make both of them screw up |
| 20:06.04 | antto | i switched to textmode (ctrl+alt+F1) and i see tons of "blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 395547840" |
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| 20:07.10 | BCMM | antto: yeah, that's definitely a hardware fault |
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| 20:07.32 | BCMM | most likely the disk itself but worth looking in to the cable or even the mobo's controller |
| 20:07.43 | antto | not sure if it's been 1 year since i bought this hdd |
| 20:07.58 | snatcher | what's the way to read transmission-daemon logs? |
| 20:07.58 | BCMM | at very least, make sure everything is plugged in *firmly* before you buy a new disk |
| 20:08.38 | snatcher | found only https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/299869/is-transmission-daemon-logging-set-up-properly edit init/systemd script, srsly? |
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| 20:08.55 | antto | the previous one had bad sectors, and eventually printed a message during bios "hard disk is broken, replace asap" or something like that |
| 20:10.48 | antto | amongst that, i saw a EXT4-fs error about sda7 |
| 20:11.22 | ska | toxync12: I dont see a power9 package in apt. |
| 20:11.25 | greycat | It's common for file system corruption to occur as a result of disk/controller failures. |
| 20:11.25 | antto | i think that might be the swap partition, but i'm not sure |
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| 20:12.11 | jhutchins_wk | antto: More likely a whole disk than a partition. |
| 20:12.47 | greycat | sda7 is definitely a partition, not a whole disk |
| 20:12.48 | antto | yes, physically, it's just one hard disk |
| 20:13.05 | jhutchins_wk | antto: You can use smartmontools to test/monitor it, check dmesg for errors, fsck the partitions when they're not mounted (live DVD?), but basically you should have the data backed up and the new disk on order now. |
| 20:13.13 | antto | i was saying that the EXT4-fs error was refering to sda7 |
| 20:13.29 | greycat | then it's very unlikely to be a swap partition |
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| 20:14.46 | antto | bios says "Ultra DMA Mode-5, S.M.A.R.T. Capable and Status OK" |
| 20:14.57 | darokthar | BCMM: The Problem is not solved by disabling it. And the problem although occurs with gnome. |
| 20:15.23 | darokthar | I'll probably have to check the xserver config and the graphics card driver. |
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| 20:16.56 | darokthar | Or I'll just use more hotkeys. No mouse no problems. |
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| 20:24.03 | antto | hm, now i get "ataa3.00: exception Emask ..... frozen" "ata3.00: failed command: WRITE DMA EXT" ... "ata3.00: status: { DRDY }" |
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| 20:26.17 | antto | ""echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message." |
| 20:26.21 | BCMM | antto: there is much more information available from SMART than just "OK" |
| 20:26.53 | BCMM | antto: the bios will be pretty much reporting what smartctl -H does, which is whether the drive has already detected a serious problem |
| 20:26.54 | antto | i'm trying to reboot/shutdown it gracefully |
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| 20:27.13 | BCMM | but you can also make the drive do a self-test, for example |
| 20:27.16 | jhutchins_wk | antto: Did you include the -f flag to force fsck on boot? |
| 20:27.27 | antto | "ata3: SRST failed (errno=-16)" |
| 20:27.55 | antto | jhutchins_wk, i've not managed to even log in as root yet |
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| 20:31.34 | antto | hm, seems the bootable USBstick i have around has ubuntustudio on it |
| 20:31.41 | darokthar | Maybe it's time for new hardware |
| 20:32.00 | antto | it has "Check disc for defects" in its menu |
| 20:32.16 | antto | but that smells like it would check the installation disk |
| 20:32.32 | antto | imma run it live |
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| 20:38.43 | antto | okay, ignoring the fact that apt-get on this cursed me about issues, smartctl -H /dev/sda said just one thing: |
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| 20:58.06 | dumbl3d0re | Does Debian have any documentation describing the foundations of Debian? A guide that begins at the beginning and ends there the reader should know what they should look up if they want to learn something more? |
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| 20:58.15 | greycat | !history |
| 20:58.15 | dpkg | methinks debian history is http://www.debian.org/intro/about#history http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version. |
| 20:58.38 | jhutchins_wk | http://www.microcenter.com/product/478134/P300_1TB_7,200_RPM_SATA_III_6Gb-s_35_Desktop_Internal_Hard_Drive_-_HDWD110XZSTA <- 1TB, $40. |
| 20:58.57 | somiaj | the debian adminstartors handbook might be that too, if you want a guid that describes more how debian works than history. |
| 20:59.08 | annadane | i like how that page says "see the detailed history" which links to "a brief history" |
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| 21:00.56 | antto | okay, i changed the SATA cable (and SATA port on the motherboard), and the power cable, and now instaboot |
| 21:01.03 | dumbl3d0re | That seems to be more of a introduction to the organization behind Debian and not Debian as a OS. |
| 21:01.17 | antto | "SMART overall-health self-assesment test result: PASSED" |
| 21:01.29 | greycat | dumbl3d0re: you asked for the "foundation" which I interpreted as the history |
| 21:01.41 | antto | anything else to run? |
| 21:02.07 | dumbl3d0re | I mean "foundation" as in "basic" |
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| 21:02.31 | somiaj | dumbl3d0re: look up debian handbook |
| 21:02.43 | dutchfish | dumbl3d0re, maybe you ment policy? if so, https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 21:02.58 | greycat | !debian handbook |
| 21:02.59 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 21:03.00 | dumbl3d0re | somiaj: The problem it hasn't been updated for Stretch yet |
| 21:03.25 | somiaj | so? It is still mostly relvant. |
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| 21:04.39 | dumbl3d0re | I'm looking for something like Red Hat's documentation for RHEL[0] or the books for the RHCSA certification. |
| 21:05.06 | greycat | jessie to stretch is a fairly minor update in terms of Big Sweeping Changes. There's mysql -> mariadb, there's PHP 5 -> 7, and there's video drivers & firmware. |
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| 21:06.02 | dumbl3d0re | There wasn't any big changes in SystemD between the releases? |
| 21:06.38 | annadane | i don't believe the release manual specifies major systemd changes (from memory, check the release notes) but i guess there's apt changelog systemd |
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| 21:07.04 | annadane | which is not a foolproof way of looking at it |
| 21:07.18 | annadane | (lists are messy and you have to cross reference cumulative changes) |
| 21:07.25 | greycat | I don't know of any common support issues involving systemd. |
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| 21:08.20 | dumbl3d0re | So your recommendation is to read the handbook and then the release notes for Stretch_ |
| 21:08.25 | dumbl3d0re | ? |
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| 21:09.10 | dumbl3d0re | Do you have any information when the new edition of the handbook is going to be released? The authors hasn't published anything on the website that I could find then I looked there. |
| 21:09.36 | annadane | it's basically on a volunteer basis |
| 21:09.57 | annadane | but yeah handbook + stretch release notes is fairly comprehesnive |
| 21:09.58 | somiaj | maybe form users reading it and noticing something is diffrent in stretch and providing a patch/update. |
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| 21:10.00 | annadane | comprehensive* |
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| 21:14.56 | dumbl3d0re | So the authors behind the book didn't do most of the authoring? |
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| 21:16.55 | annadane | i suspect there's an acknowledgements section detailing precisely what people did |
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| 21:21.40 | somiaj | dumbl3d0re: open source means people can contribute. I'm sure the original authors have done a lot, but people will also mention bugs, or submit impveoments. That is how most open source projects evolve. Part of their strenght is multiple authors and eyes (though things tend to be slower when working on volunteer labor) |
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| 21:22.07 | dumbl3d0re | Thanks for the help! I'll check the handbook out. |
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| 21:23.55 | dumbl3d0re | somiaj: My understanding of the book's website was that it was more of two people writing the book like a normal book, and not a community effort. |
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| 21:26.49 | somiaj | dumbl3d0re: My understanding is that is how it starts, and I assume they did the bulk of the writing. But it also has links to the source so others can contribute. |
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| 21:27.15 | jhutchins_wk | That's how wikis work. |
| 21:27.16 | annadane | you file a bug report against debian-handbook i believe to submit changes |
| 21:27.21 | somiaj | you can probably look at the git log to see how many contributers there have been and who has done what. |
| 21:27.34 | somiaj | I think you can just make a pull reqest with git too |
| 21:27.38 | greycat | https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.acknowledgments.html |
| 21:27.46 | somiaj | also translators are a big help too |
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| 21:38.01 | perr-paranoic | Hi! I want to know if I can install an alternative software on my old tomtom device. Thanks |
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| 21:39.40 | jhutchins_wk | perr-paranoic: Do you imagine that we know what hardware is in your old device? |
| 21:40.52 | perr-paranoic | TomTom 3dr edition jhutchins_wk |
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| 21:47.11 | perr-paranoic | jhutchins_wk, now I read about OpenTom... |
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| 21:49.22 | BanHammor | Hi, my hostname doesn't propagate for some reason, here's my /etc/network/interfaces: https://paste.debian.net/1010169/ |
| 21:49.56 | perr-paranoic | nothing, I think that is a terminated project |
| 21:50.09 | greycat | What do you mean by "propagate"? Other systems won't know your hostname or your IP address unless you tell them somehow. Either by putting your info into the other systems' /etc/hosts files, or by using DNS. |
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| 21:51.08 | BanHammor | greycat, the network is set up so that DNS picks up on DHCP-reported hostnames |
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| 21:52.47 | jhutchins_wk | perr-paranoic: iirc that's a GPS device... |
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| 21:53.30 | perr-paranoic | jhutchins_wk, I don't understand |
| 21:54.37 | teatime | BanHammor: you probably need 'client' rather than 'hostname' |
| 21:54.45 | teatime | maybe, anyway |
| 21:55.06 | teatime | and/or maybe it pays attention to your configured system hostname; iirc dhcpd can request that be sent |
| 21:55.13 | greycat | People tell the dhcp client to pass something *other* than the actual hostname? How weird. |
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| 21:55.41 | teatime | eh, sure, why not... it's just an identifier. |
| 21:55.55 | teatime | TMTOWTDI. |
| 21:56.13 | greycat | Seems like it would just cause confusion, when your computer tells you its name is fred, but you told it to tell DHCP/DNS that its name is barney.... |
| 21:56.33 | perr-paranoic | Maybe I can use Openstreet maps on Tomtom... |
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| 21:58.12 | BanHammor | can i check somehow that debian did its part in sending DHCP its hostname? |
| 21:58.23 | greycat | what do the DHCP server's logs say? |
| 21:58.27 | teatime | BanHammor: I'd look at your DHCP server's lgs |
| 21:58.30 | teatime | and compare to a working client |
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| 21:59.40 | BanHammor | i don't have access to the DHCP server, alas |
| 21:59.55 | nutron|w | can one still install an older version of debian using an installer? |
| 22:00.02 | nutron|w | I mean netinstall |
| 22:00.13 | greycat | BanHammor: so you're just taking someone else's word for "the network is set up ..."? |
| 22:00.19 | darokthar | BCMM: My monitor turning off seems to be a kernel bug for Intel Skylake processort with i915 video cards. |
| 22:00.27 | jhutchins_wk | nutron|w: Recent versions yes. |
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| 22:00.48 | darokthar | I might have to compile a newer kernel release. |
| 22:01.06 | nutron|w | jhutchins_wk, where can I find the installers for the older releases such as potato and the like |
| 22:01.15 | BCMM | darokthar: good to know. definitely a weird one, but graphics drivers makes sense. |
| 22:01.35 | greycat | potato is *not* a recent release, and never had a netinst |
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| 22:02.14 | greycat | you find the potato CDs (or ISO images, and burn those to CDs, not USBs, actual shiny round CDs) and install from those |
| 22:02.28 | perr-paranoic | jhutchins_wk, Anyway good night maybe I find a solution... |
| 22:02.36 | nutron|w | greycat, ah yes, I suppose I'm looking for the base install images that install from media in that case. Releases like etch did though, sorry I went too far back. |
| 22:03.11 | greycat | !archive |
| 22:03.11 | dpkg | archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 22:14.34 | BanHammor | greycat, hm, the other debian machine for which routing DOES work seems like a 1:1 match |
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| 22:15.27 | greycat | By "routing" you mean "the reporting of my hostname or non-hostname string to the DHCP server, which passes it along to DNS, and which I can then lookup with dig"? |
| 22:16.26 | greycat | What string is the "working" machine passing to DHCP, is this the same as the hostname or not, and how are you verifying that it was successfully passed? |
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| 22:56.38 | BanHammor | hm my mount command says "unknown fs type: ubifs" despite my kernel definitely having ubifs support built in. Do i have to do something extra to enable it? |
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| 22:57.33 | dutchfish | BanHammor, is it build in or as a module? the later one needs to be loaded. |
| 22:57.53 | BanHammor | built in |
| 22:58.13 | Tom-_ | is it in /proc/filesystems? |
| 22:59.04 | BanHammor | says "nodev ubifs" |
| 22:59.16 | BanHammor | so...i take it as a yes? |
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| 22:59.39 | BanHammor | there's a mkfs.ubifs too |
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| 23:02.24 | bites | try mounting it explicitly with -t ubifs |
| 23:04.36 | BanHammor | that's how i got the error |
| 23:04.44 | dutchfish | bites, that wont work if there isnt a volume yet or isnt attached |
| 23:05.32 | dutchfish | BanHammor, https://bootlin.com/blog/creating-flashing-ubi-ubifs-images/ |
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| 23:06.34 | dutchfish | BanHammor, if this is a blank its more or less like ubiformat->ubiattach->make vol-?updatevol->mount |
| 23:06.42 | e9uj | oops i accidentally removed /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:06.53 | e9uj | would someone have a copy/paste of it, for debian 8.4? |
| 23:07.00 | dutchfish | e9uj, Debian/stable? |
| 23:07.03 | e9uj | yes |
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| 23:07.15 | BanHammor | 8 is oldstable |
| 23:07.22 | e9uj | i had 4 lines in it iirc |
| 23:07.28 | e9uj | the default values after install |
| 23:08.02 | dutchfish | !sources.list |
| 23:08.02 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 23:08.20 | e9uj | dutchfish: would you have the same for jessie? 8.4 |
| 23:08.39 | dutchfish | e9uj, simualr but s/stertch/jessie |
| 23:08.52 | dutchfish | e9uj, simular but s/stretch/jessie* |
| 23:08.55 | BanHammor | https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ if you want |
| 23:09.00 | dutchfish | sorry for typos |
| 23:10.01 | BanHammor | okay, something is REALLY wrong, because mtd_erase and the like go absolutely bananas after 2GB |
| 23:10.23 | e9uj | dutchfish: is there correct https://pastebin.com/Rqscc3mN? |
| 23:10.32 | BanHammor | so i figure i need to debug the driver next, and that's quite a drag. |
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| 23:11.29 | dutchfish | e9uj, that looks ok, unless you need deb-src lines too, ask the bot as stated for that |
| 23:11.53 | dutchfish | BanHammor, loks like it |
| 23:11.57 | dutchfish | looks* |
| 23:12.20 | dutchfish | BanHammor, Debian/stable? |
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| 23:12.47 | dutchfish | ,kernel versions |
| 23:12.48 | judd | (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 23:12.59 | e9uj | dutchfish: what is deb-src? |
| 23:13.03 | BanHammor | mostly, but the kernel is custom |
| 23:13.13 | e9uj | thanks BanHammor for the gen |
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| 23:13.25 | dutchfish | BanHammor, ah ok, try the one from bpo first, if possible |
| 23:13.53 | BanHammor | it's a board-specific extremely hacked together kernel -_- |
| 23:14.01 | dutchfish | !deb-src |
| 23:14.01 | dpkg | You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed. |
| 23:14.42 | dutchfish | BanHammor, ouch |
| 23:14.44 | uxfi | si!!!! |
| 23:14.45 | uxfi | tolecnal; |
| 23:14.51 | uxfi | oops |
| 23:14.53 | uxfi | wrong window |
| 23:14.54 | e9uj | dutchfish: oh ok it's a package which should eventually be manually compiled, ie sources? |
| 23:14.59 | e9uj | ie source code? |
| 23:15.19 | BanHammor | yeah, it's for manually compiling or looking at sources of a package |
| 23:15.24 | e9uj | great |
| 23:15.25 | dutchfish | e9uj, yes, the deb-src lines are for getting the sources of packages (sometimes needed) |
| 23:15.33 | e9uj | thans guys! |
| 23:15.36 | bites | debgen creates somewhat bad sources. |
| 23:15.38 | e9uj | problem solved, going to bed :) |
| 23:15.42 | dutchfish | e9uj, yw |
| 23:15.56 | e9uj | thanks! have a good day/night |
| 23:16.14 | bites | using stable instead of the codename like debgen produces might not be the best idea. |
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| 23:16.51 | BanHammor | i'm also a bit effed by them including backports by default |
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| 23:17.15 | pfred1 | BanHammor comment them out |
| 23:17.41 | BanHammor | i'm not the one who needed help with sources.list |
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| 23:18.27 | pfred1 | I never got hold to work |
| 23:19.14 | pfred1 | I tell apt to hold packages and it goes and installs them anyways |
| 23:19.35 | bites | how do you put it on hold? |
| 23:19.45 | pfred1 | apt-mark hold |
| 23:19.55 | pfred1 | how do you hold a package? |
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| 23:21.36 | bites | how do you do the update? apt or something like aptitude or synaptic? |
| 23:21.52 | pfred1 | aptitude or apt-get |
| 23:22.01 | bites | aptitude uses a different database |
| 23:22.20 | pfred1 | hmm that could be why my holds get ignored I wonder who thought two databases was a good idea? |
| 23:22.22 | bites | so you might have to aptitude hold as well. |
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| 23:23.59 | pfred1 | one system one set of packages |
| 23:24.37 | pfred1 | a case where one plus one does not equal two |
| 23:26.35 | n4dir | !hold |
| 23:26.35 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
| 23:26.39 | n4dir | usually worked for me |
| 23:27.04 | n4dir | but then: i didn't use aptitude. duh |
| 23:27.05 | dutchfish | pfred1, why would you hold back a package in stable?? also see: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 23:27.05 | pfred1 | that's funny because I'm on Stretch |
| 23:27.31 | pfred1 | dutchfish maybe because I don't want it installed? |
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| 23:28.07 | dutchfish | pfred1, that might bite you. If dependecies arent complete. |
| 23:28.19 | pfred1 | dutchfish that's for me to worry about |
| 23:28.54 | dutchfish | pfred1, fair enough. But hard to help you with that. |
| 23:29.00 | pfred1 | dutchfish you might get bit even if you dot all of your i's and cross all of your t's too |
| 23:29.12 | pfred1 | remember the warranty |
| 23:30.09 | BanHammor | seriously though, what is your actual use case for hold? |
| 23:30.16 | pfred1 | dutchfish This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
| 23:30.48 | dutchfish | pfred1, sorry, what is your question? |
| 23:30.52 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 23:31.09 | pfred1 | BanHammor installing meta packages and not pulling in al lthe crap that they do |
| 23:31.09 | bites | hoi |
| 23:31.47 | pfred1 | dutchfish why are you breathing my air? |
| 23:31.49 | n4dir | pfred1: and --no-install-recommends doesn't do it? |
| 23:31.55 | tobiasBora | I don't know why, but I just replaced an ubuntu with a Debian 9 on a friend computer, and now when it reboots it can't reach any OS, it just boots directly to the Bios setup "EZ mode": https://askubuntu.com/questions/1005937/reboot-always-in-bios-ez-mode |
| 23:32.09 | pfred1 | n4dir it may I've never tried it |
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| 23:32.21 | tobiasBora | to install Debian I needed to disable secure boot |
| 23:32.35 | n4dir | you can also set it, either in /etc/apt/preferences or apt.conf (or such). But i don't know how exactly |
| 23:32.43 | tobiasBora | but now it does not matter if I enable/disable it, I always come back to the Bios mode. |
| 23:33.16 | pfred1 | Debian doesn't come with a signed kernel? |
| 23:33.48 | BanHammor | i think you can install a signed shim |
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| 23:34.04 | pfred1 | BanHammor I'd be surprised if that was not the case |
| 23:34.23 | pfred1 | but i don't believe in UEFI so I never use the stuff |
| 23:34.27 | tobiasBora | pfred1: it looks like it's not the case... |
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| 23:35.13 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: where do you find the images? |
| 23:35.25 | BanHammor | okay, so what happens if you press "debian" or "windows" in your F8 menu? |
| 23:35.50 | pfred1 | BanHammor what is this "windows" that you speak of? |
| 23:36.13 | cent4urus | boa noite povo :) |
| 23:36.21 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: it blink and then we come back to main menu |
| 23:36.33 | BanHammor | that is, the EZ menu. |
| 23:36.47 | tobiasBora | pfred1: he refers to the picture I showed on the link I guess |
| 23:36.51 | tobiasBora | blinks* |
| 23:37.26 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: yes, the EZ main display, first picture |
| 23:37.31 | koollman | I do not think debian has a signed kernel |
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| 23:37.58 | pfred1 | koollman but you can sign it yourself can't you? |
| 23:38.03 | koollman | https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot At the very least, I do not think the 'Sacrifice goats' part was done. And if it was, it probably should be renewed |
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| 23:38.28 | koollman | although trying to follow the bug is funny |
| 23:39.05 | pfred1 | so glad i use legacy boot |
| 23:39.39 | koollman | some day I will have a serious look at uefi... but so long as legacy work ... yeah |
| 23:39.48 | dutchfish | the status of signing is pretty well documented, there are signed kernels, but the bootloaders currently can't do secure boot. see: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#Proposed_signing_architecture |
| 23:40.02 | pfred1 | koollman I thought about it with this system then I said nah I got enough fish to fry |
| 23:40.46 | dutchfish | and yes you can boot a signed kernel from EFI |
| 23:40.55 | dutchfish | pfred1, go fishing ;) |
| 23:40.57 | koollman | pfred1: it's so low priority on my 'maybe I should' todo list, that I think we will have a major change in boot systems before I try :) |
| 23:41.29 | pfred1 | koollman for me UEFI was a major change one I'm happy to avoid |
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| 23:42.26 | BanHammor | tobiasBora, try switching to MBR/BIOS mode and booting? this honestly seems like something borked the efi partition |
| 23:42.49 | pfred1 | I need to hit my BIOS to adjust my case fan I don't think Debian comes with Asus Fan expert does it? |
| 23:42.52 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: would my friend need to reinstall debian? |
| 23:43.06 | tobiasBora | and actually the thing is that even Windows does not boot, and he needs it |
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| 23:43.31 | BanHammor | tobiasBora, we haven't diagnosed the problem yet. |
| 23:43.38 | tobiasBora | pfred1: Debian comes with fishers, so maybe also Asus Fan export |
| 23:44.14 | pfred1 | tobiasBora I just imported this fan so I'm planning on hanging onto it for a while |
| 23:44.31 | BanHammor | you might also want to use rEFInd to regenerate the efi partition |
| 23:45.42 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: Ok. I'll tell my friend to do that. The thing is that he is now sleeping in another part of the world, so I'm affraid he won't answer tonight |
| 23:45.49 | BanHammor | https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall also see this |
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| 23:46.42 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: This page will install just grub-efi, so at most it should repair debian, but I don't understand why/how Windows can also be broken |
| 23:46.46 | pfred1 | I really got on IRC to take a poll JACK or JACK2? |
| 23:46.58 | pfred1 | doesn't know jack about JACK |
| 23:47.40 | BanHammor | tobiasBora, the EFI boot partition is shared. |
| 23:48.00 | BanHammor | and presumably Debian borked it somehow |
| 23:48.05 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: but then each OS share a separate folder now? How is it possible that debian killed windows? |
| 23:48.31 | pfred1 | EFI is just a tiny little partition |
| 23:49.33 | tobiasBora | hum... strange... |
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| 23:49.42 | BanHammor | they don't share a "separate folder", they share a partition where data needed to boot from UEFI is. |
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| 23:50.13 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: yes, but I mean on my computer debian is on the folder "Debian" on this fat16 partition, and Windows is in a different folder |
| 23:50.16 | pfred1 | yeah more bad ideas from peole that don't care |
| 23:50.39 | markvandenborre | I'm looking for an app that runs on linux and will show openstreetmap maps offline |
| 23:50.51 | markvandenborre | (routing is a bonus, but osm is a must) |
| 23:50.54 | markvandenborre | any hints? |
| 23:51.11 | pfred1 | markvandenborre I looked at Linux GPS software a while ago it exists |
| 23:51.16 | BanHammor | tobiasBora, sure, but if the fat16 partition is corrupted, every boot breaks. |
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| 23:51.51 | pfred1 | I thought about setting up a laptop as a Linux GPS |
| 23:51.55 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: ohhh you think that it's possible to corrupt the whole partition... Maybe yes... I'll ask him to give it a look. |
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| 23:52.24 | markvandenborre | pfred1: do you remember any application? |
| 23:52.30 | zomaar | Is it actually normal for sudo to only use the path of the invoking user? |
| 23:52.45 | pfred1 | markvandenborre just vague memories of what the applications looked like |
| 23:52.48 | tobiasBora | markvandenborre: I tried a while ago, and OsmAnd (only for android unfortunately) beats all the linux programs |
| 23:53.01 | dutchfish | zomaar, correct (per default) |
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| 23:53.14 | markvandenborre | tobiasBora: no android here |
| 23:53.18 | zomaar | I have stuff like "sudo visudo" --> program not found |
| 23:53.21 | pfred1 | tobiasBora yeah what i saw looked pretty primitive |
| 23:53.21 | BanHammor | tobiasBora, honestly he's better off using refind |
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| 23:53.39 | zomaar | dutchfish: I know there is a secure path thing in sudoers but other than that, how can you actually get access to sbin paths? |
| 23:53.52 | pfred1 | zomaar did you install sudo? |
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| 23:54.30 | BanHammor | markvandenborre, i think Marble uses OSM |
| 23:54.35 | pfred1 | zomaar use the full path |
| 23:54.47 | zomaar | yes pfred |
| 23:54.52 | zomaar | I have sudo installed |
| 23:55.03 | zomaar | Yes I know I can do that but that is unworkable tyvm |
| 23:55.13 | zomaar | Please, let's stick to the topic |
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| 23:55.33 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: Ok. So the step would be 1) try to boot on usb to check that EFI partition is not dead 2) from this same live system install refind. By the way if I remove the broken fat partition, will refind be able to recreate windows entries? |
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| 23:55.58 | tobiasBora | markvandenborre: if you want a list of all the softwares, you may found https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Software/Desktop |
| 23:56.01 | pfred1 | zomaar if yo uwant to use a root command as a user and sbin is not on your path you can use the full path to the executable |
| 23:56.13 | zomaar | I know but I want to be able to use the normal command name |
| 23:56.22 | pfred1 | but then you also have to be doing something your user is allowed to do |
| 23:56.38 | BanHammor | you should be able to at least boot windows via GRUB os-prober, tobiasBora |
| 23:56.41 | dutchfish | zomaar, in /etc/sudoers you should have a line Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 23:56.49 | tobiasBora | markvandenborre: actually I should try to remember, I think I found a nice one... Maybe marble, I'll check |
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| 23:57.04 | pfred1 | I can't believe I need to root privs to do dmesg now |
| 23:57.13 | pfred1 | that's so inconvenient |
| 23:57.26 | zomaar | Dutchfish ah yes I'm sorry there is one thing I didn't want to mention so easily ;-) |
| 23:57.40 | solosoft | is you need to get to sbin /usr/sbin add them to your path in bashrc or whatever you use |
| 23:57.45 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: what do you mean? even if I recreated from scrach the UEFI partition? |
| 23:57.46 | zomaar | Dutchfish but now at least I know that that is the default, I thought I had added that myself |
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| 23:57.52 | RayReddington | where is hicjklen |
| 23:57.56 | RayReddington | wheeeereee isss hicckklleennn |
| 23:58.00 | pfred1 | solosoft you don't need to add anything to your path |
| 23:58.12 | zomaar | Dutchfish secure_path is disabled when you use exempt_group |
| 23:58.26 | dutchfish | zomaar, correct |
| 23:58.48 | zomaar | Which is really annoying in this sense |
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| 23:59.29 | zomaar | I guess I will concoct a sudo -i thing that will give me back my current directory |
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| 23:59.35 | dutchfish | zomaar, then add Defaults env_keep += "PATH" |
| 23:59.57 | zomaar | Does that keep the path of the target user? |