| 00:00.02 | rant | deepfreez: or are you asking why it takes up so much disk space? |
| 00:00.06 | deepfreez | I install debian, after the install OS used 3.8gb of my storage |
| 00:00.18 | rant | deepfreez: did you check your reserved blocks on your fs? |
| 00:00.35 | rant | deepfreez: tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sda1 or w/e your device name is |
| 00:00.37 | deepfreez | can you help me to check? |
| 00:00.41 | oerheks | maybe swap size takes a lot? |
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| 00:00.47 | abrotman | tw: yes |
| 00:00.47 | deepfreez | no swap |
| 00:00.48 | rant | deepfreez: it defaults to 5% I believe |
| 00:01.15 | deepfreez | Setting reserved blocks percentage to 0% (0 blocks) |
| 00:01.18 | rant | deepfreez: that does seem like a bit much though if you really only installed base |
| 00:01.26 | rant | deepfreez: check your usage now with reserve off |
| 00:01.44 | deepfreez | how I put off the reserve? |
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| 00:01.56 | rant | deepfreez: you just did. thats what tune2fs -m 0 did |
| 00:02.25 | deepfreez | is the same /dev/mapper/VolGroup-root 8.9G 3.8G 5.2G 43% / |
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| 00:04.03 | rant | deepfreez: du -h /var/cache/ |
| 00:04.05 | rant | perhaps |
| 00:04.14 | rant | maybe you got a bunch cached packages or something |
| 00:04.20 | deepfreez | is smaller |
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| 00:04.37 | deepfreez | I will reinstall it again |
| 00:04.58 | deepfreez | I use this https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:05.05 | rant | I only got 66M in /var/cache right now.. but that'd be my first guess as to where you could be overlooking usage |
| 00:05.27 | deepfreez | 9.9Mb |
| 00:05.52 | rant | simply reinstalling isnt really gonna answer your question |
| 00:06.11 | rant | you wanna figure out what's actually using that space.. heh.. |
| 00:06.22 | deepfreez | When I install it I select only openssh and envernoment something of that on the top |
| 00:06.37 | deepfreez | no website, no printer, etc.. |
| 00:06.40 | rant | I haven't done a base install in awhile but I'd guess it'd be probably at least a GB less than what you're seeing |
| 00:06.56 | deepfreez | yes |
| 00:07.51 | rant | so I'd fish around and see if you didnt maybe install something you're unaware you installed or browse around the fs and see where the usage is |
| 00:08.15 | deepfreez | yes |
| 00:08.17 | deepfreez | let me check |
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| 00:15.50 | rant | deepfreez: du -h --max-depth 2 / | sort -h -r | less |
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| 00:18.04 | rant | deepfreez: that may help.. here is my top few on a MATE system for comparison http://paste.debian.net/1010323/ |
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| 00:18.50 | deepfreez | let me see |
| 00:19.09 | deepfreez | thanks for this |
| 00:19.37 | rant | really you could just replace less with head -n 20 or such |
| 00:19.48 | rant | because you're really only gonna be concerned with the largest ones :P |
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| 00:20.37 | deepfreez | found /dev/mapper/VolGroup-root 8.9G 852M 7.6G 10% / |
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| 00:21.15 | deepfreez | I select desktop environment ( but no kde , gnome... ) is was automated selected |
| 00:21.27 | deepfreez | strange... because I don't select after ... gnome |
| 00:21.53 | cheapie | "Desktop environment" installs GNOME. Don't pick that if you want something else. |
| 00:22.02 | deepfreez | :)) not nice |
| 00:22.17 | cheapie | What the difference is between it and the actual GNOME option? I dunno. |
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| 00:23.49 | rant | yeah idk but 6-7GB is what a typical MATE install comes to I'd think base only would be more like 2GB at most |
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| 00:24.41 | cheapie | The project I'm working on (contains a full MATE desktop install and a minimal CLI-only install on one disc) is ~1.7GB, but that's squashfsed. |
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| 00:25.53 | cheapie | FWIW, the goal is to have it boot into the MATE image and serve the minimal image to other computers over the network. It's coming along well so far. |
| 00:26.10 | deepfreez | :D |
| 00:26.50 | cheapie | The other computers then read the SMART data from their hard drives, send it back with scp (publickey auth), and reboot. |
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| 00:27.06 | cheapie | The user at the first computer can then analyze the data with gsmartcontrol or manually. |
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| 00:27.51 | rant | cheapie: yeah I heard you talk about that the other day.. it sounded unnecessarily complex. I had a Netgear WNR-3500L router with a thumbdrive in its USB port hosting a PXE server and hosting both installers and full desktop images.. I never needed a seperate http server or anything.. the tftp/pxe server handled the whole rootfs and everything |
| 00:27.56 | rant | I just sometimes configured it to use nfs or such for /home |
| 00:28.09 | cheapie | rant: I don't have control over the router/DHCP server. |
| 00:28.28 | rant | oh.. well that DOES change things a bit :P |
| 00:28.32 | cheapie | So I have to use proxyDHCP and a separate TFTP server. |
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| 00:28.39 | teatime | https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian may have some helpful stuff |
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| 00:30.30 | teatime | dpkg: tell cheapie about minimal install |
| 00:30.36 | teatime | dpkg: tell cheapie about standard task |
| 00:31.21 | cheapie | teatime: I know about that already. deepfreez is the one that has disk space issues, and I was just sharing some numbers I happened to have. |
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| 00:32.26 | teatime | my mistake. |
| 00:32.28 | cheapie | I don't need to care too much about shrinking it down anyway, as it'll probably end up at ~2GB for my finished disc image at this rate, and I have about 4.7GB (single-layer DVD+R) available. |
| 00:32.33 | deepfreez | Yap, I found what was. |
| 00:32.43 | deepfreez | thanks |
| 00:32.48 | teatime | deepfreez: ask dpkg about standard task |
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| 00:33.10 | deepfreez | <dpkg> i haven't a clue :) |
| 00:33.20 | deepfreez | epic |
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| 00:33.59 | teatime | dpkg: tell deepfreez about standard task |
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| 00:34.16 | teatime | dpkg: tell deepfreez about minimal install |
| 00:34.22 | deepfreez | thanks |
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| 00:35.51 | deepfreez | lol, I forgotten how to use nano :)) |
| 00:39.47 | xqb | is there an alternative to umake for debian or can I have it on debian? |
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| 00:51.42 | deepfreez | Anyone have multiple interfaces lan on debian 9? How I add another eth0:1 |
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| 00:52.22 | teatime | it isn't done with aliases like that anymore |
| 00:52.43 | deepfreez | I think in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ |
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| 00:52.56 | teatime | see man interfaces and note that iproute2 and the ip tool has replaced ifconfig/route/etc. |
| 00:53.04 | deepfreez | aham |
| 00:53.17 | rant | nano works like any text editor only command I really use is Ctrl+X to exit and it prompts to save |
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| 01:15.46 | deepfreez | if I want to use update-rc.d to run a script at firstboot? |
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| 01:25.22 | Zathras | deepfreez, things have changed: eth is no longer uses, systemd is the way daemons are started |
| 01:26.23 | somiaj | systemd will respect scripts with LSB headers in /etc/init.d, but you may have to adjust the header to have systemd boot it correctly. |
| 01:26.30 | somiaj | deepfreez: what service do you wnt to run eariler? |
| 01:26.52 | deepfreez | a personal script |
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| 01:27.56 | somiaj | you can just put LSBHeaders on the init.d script and pop it into /etc/init.d, though writting a systemd unit file is simplier in my opinion. |
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| 01:30.19 | Zathras | deepfreez, have you considered adding it to the login (if it is user specific) ? |
| 01:30.20 | deepfreez | let me check |
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| 02:04.00 | kion | I am running a turn server, an I started it with "sudo turnserver -c /etc/turnserver.conf --daemon -v" how do I stop it? |
| 02:06.16 | somiaj | kion: you can look up the pid with ps fax, and then kill the pid with kill |
| 02:06.37 | somiaj | There might be nicer ways, and it may accept various kill signals |
| 02:06.45 | kion | somiaj, Thanks! I figured it out, I looked at it with htop |
| 02:06.54 | kion | and did kill with signal 15 |
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| 02:07.30 | somiaj | kion: if the server has a systemd unit file, which it should if it came from debian, you can use systemctl to start/stop the server (or just use service) |
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| 02:12.18 | kion | somiaj, yes I installed the server from Debian repositories but don't acuatlly know what the service name is |
| 02:12.27 | kion | sudo service XXXX stop |
| 02:12.46 | somiaj | dpkg -L packagename can help, but usually it is the same as the package/server, so just turnserver |
| 02:12.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename can help, but usually it is the same as the package/server, so just turnserver |
| 02:12.46 | kion | somiaj, is there a way to list the running services? |
| 02:12.55 | somiaj | kion: systemctl status |
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| 02:14.35 | kion | somiaj, wow! thanks |
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| 04:32.09 | iodev | today, I found out something weird, resolvconf isn't installed |
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| 04:36.09 | iodev | hmm, I installed it, but openvpn still doesn't push DNS |
| 04:43.20 | crn | iodev, does it point to any name servers? |
| 04:43.41 | iodev | crn, yes, it worked before openvpn 2.4 |
| 04:43.55 | iodev | I have push dhcp-option DNS :-) |
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| 04:48.22 | crn | hmm. sorry. mine is working, but it points to my dsl router, which gets its name servers from the isp on login, |
| 04:48.31 | iodev | oops, I need systemd-resolvd |
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| 04:49.13 | crn | ah ha. |
| 04:49.14 | awal1 | putthe following in your cmdline " fbcon=scrollback:1024k " Modify size as you want it to be |
| 04:49.32 | awal1 | wrong window, excuses |
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| 04:54.04 | iodev | crn, no, looks like openvpn no longer runs update-resolv-conf automatically |
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| 04:56.12 | iodev | crn, I added up/down script to client config and works now |
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| 04:57.40 | crn | great! |
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| 05:08.01 | iodev | strange after the update-resolv-conf I have three nameservers |
| 05:08.13 | iodev | the 2 pushed by my server, and the primary without VPN one |
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| 05:14.20 | crn | iodev, in my case it appears that network manager wrote resolv.conf. i don't know how network manager got into the act. when i updated to debian 8 the network was slightly buggy. |
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| 05:16.47 | crn | iodev, eventually i purged my config after trying various fixes, and network manager wrote what it wanted and it works ok now. |
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| 05:17.04 | iodev | yeah, I looked on my ubuntu mate and it does the same thing |
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| 05:17.11 | iodev | 3 nameservers, it's common then |
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| 06:05.38 | fishcooker | im using firefox... the fan speed work harder... hwo to know whats page that cause it? |
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| 06:11.18 | alkisg | Type about:about to see the self-diagnostic pages of firefox. Maybe about:performance will help you |
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| 06:18.52 | BillyCrook | I've netboot/netinstalled rhel with kickstarts for a long time, and I recently started using preseed. What directive should I add to preseed to install only a minimal system? meaning able to be SSH'd into, but no daemons other than ntp, and certainly no gui login or anything that requires a framebuffer. (I noticed that it appears the default package selection includes graphical grub and gdm and presumably gnome) |
| 06:19.58 | BillyCrook | I think base-installer/install-recommends boolean true is responsible for the gui desktiop package selection |
| 06:20.38 | BillyCrook | thats from looking at debconf-get-selections --installer after a default install |
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| 06:55.01 | EnchanterTim | Hello |
| 06:55.30 | EnchanterTim | Debian Stable and Chromium browser, any html <select> dropdown does not render. I only ever see the first option, and no dropdown renders. |
| 06:55.44 | EnchanterTim | Can anyone verify this bug? |
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| 07:19.43 | konna44 | hi |
| 07:19.52 | bazhang | hi |
| 07:19.58 | konna44 | is it normal that some commands are not recorded into .bash_history? |
| 07:20.37 | konna44 | i did sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade, and the upgrade command was not recorded :| |
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| 07:21.56 | SwedeMike | konna44: it's generally not stored there until you exit the shell. |
| 07:22.23 | t3st3r | also it could be commands starting with space aren't recorded, there're settings for that |
| 07:22.32 | SwedeMike | my .bash_history hasn't been updated for 10 hours |
| 07:22.51 | SwedeMike | as soon as I exit a shell, it's then updated. |
| 07:22.54 | konna44 | it wasn't recorded even after i closed the shell |
| 07:23.07 | konna44 | but it may have been issued with a starting space |
| 07:23.17 | konna44 | i think there was empty line in the file too. |
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| 07:23.46 | t3st3r | and sometimes one can have several shells opened for same login. In this case last closed shell obviously wins. |
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| 07:23.56 | konna44 | :o |
| 07:24.14 | konna44 | i think the empty line was where the command should have been |
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| 08:45.21 | malade_mental | Hi, don't know if this fits here but I'm having a problem. When loggin on a remote machine by ssh, the ~/.bashrc is not loaded by default. Where could this come from. When I the log in using "su user" it works perfectly. Does SSH doesn't use the "login"? |
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| 08:48.01 | Mathisen | malade_mental, if you add it to your .bash_profile it will load on ssh login |
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| 08:54.35 | malade_mental | Mathisen: ok, and bash_profile is loaded at each login? because I use gnu screen and don't especially want bashrc to be reloaded on each window creation |
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| 08:54.49 | cuono | debian is good |
| 08:54.50 | cuono | i like it |
| 08:55.00 | cuono | how do i poweroff? |
| 08:55.16 | Mathisen | malade_mental, yes it is loaded at each login |
| 08:55.30 | cuono | Mathisen how do i poweroff? |
| 08:55.58 | cuono | echo disk > /sys/power/state |
| 08:56.01 | cuono | who is cool????????? |
| 08:56.05 | cuono | i suspend |
| 08:56.09 | Mathisen | cuono, go to sleep please |
| 08:56.26 | cuono | i just woke up |
| 08:56.51 | cuono | how do i see time? date |
| 08:56.58 | cuono | calendar? |
| 08:57.05 | cuono | cal |
| 08:57.08 | Mathisen | then maybe take it easy witht he coffee, and ask relevant suport questions |
| 08:57.23 | cuono | i drink tea, green tea, hot |
| 08:57.26 | cuono | not earl grey |
| 08:57.44 | cuono | like captain picard |
| 08:58.03 | cuono | do you think the enterprise runs debian? |
| 08:58.35 | Mathisen | i think you should try twitch chat instead |
| 08:58.51 | cuono | i played twitch once in lol and chatted |
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| 08:59.11 | cuono | is there a debian twitch chat? |
| 08:59.23 | cuono | can i access it from command line? |
| 08:59.31 | cuono | my computer doesn't run javascript so good |
| 08:59.34 | cuono | it's too slow |
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| 08:59.49 | cuono | using mini pc |
| 08:59.54 | cuono | javascript is terribly slow |
| 09:00.04 | konna44 | there was a twitch game about arch linux once |
| 09:00.14 | cuono | or rather most sites overuse it and don't optimize |
| 09:00.14 | konna44 | "a cooperative text-based horror game" |
| 09:00.19 | konna44 | :P |
| 09:00.26 | Mathisen | > /server irc.chat.twitch.tv |
| 09:00.30 | konna44 | :O |
| 09:00.31 | cuono | they use javascript where html is best |
| 09:00.38 | konna44 | i agree |
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| 09:01.40 | cuono | improperly formated auth |
| 09:02.03 | cuono | was that an actual working url |
| 09:02.05 | konna44 | Mathisen i've heard that you can use irc client to chat on Twitch but how does that work? do you have to identify with your Twitch name and password? |
| 09:02.06 | cuono | for irc |
| 09:02.23 | Mathisen | konna44, correct nickname need to be your twitch name |
| 09:02.46 | malade_mental | haha cuoao |
| 09:02.47 | konna44 | and nickserv authentication is required? |
| 09:02.54 | Mathisen | konna44, no http://www.twitchapps.com/tmi/ |
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| 09:03.40 | konna44 | :O |
| 09:04.21 | konna44 | and channel is just #streamer_name ? |
| 09:04.26 | Mathisen | yep |
| 09:04.48 | cuono | https://github.com/cuono/sh-email |
| 09:04.52 | cuono | that is my email |
| 09:04.56 | cuono | do you like it? |
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| 09:05.41 | cuono | fetchmail ; ./ripmime.sh `hi` ; w3m -T text/html directory/text-html0 |
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| 09:06.11 | konna44 | :O |
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| 09:08.09 | cuono | headers To to@mail.com From from@mail.com Subject hello | hiinc . ; cat `hi` | msmtp -t |
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| 09:08.14 | luna | all Debian stuff at work updated now :) |
| 09:08.14 | cuono | do you like it? |
| 09:08.30 | malade_mental | Again another question, when I login in ssh, "systemctl status" answers : Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory |
| 09:08.47 | malade_mental | when, from the same connection, I "su" into my user, it works perfectly. |
| 09:08.51 | cuono | don't need mutt or thunderbird |
| 09:09.13 | cuono | can do it pleasantly just with fetchmail msmtp headers hi hiinc and vi and ripmime and makemime |
| 09:09.22 | cuono | and w3m |
| 09:09.26 | cuono | and less |
| 09:09.28 | cuono | oooooo |
| 09:09.29 | cuono | !!!!!!!!! |
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| 09:10.14 | cuono | i use emacs erc for irc |
| 09:11.33 | cuono | doom is a great game |
| 09:11.33 | Mathisen | malade_mental, are you using docker ? |
| 09:11.38 | malade_mental | niet |
| 09:11.47 | cuono | i used docker before |
| 09:11.58 | cuono | then i started using terminal for everything |
| 09:12.02 | cuono | i tried plenty docks and panels |
| 09:12.10 | cuono | i liked fbpanel for a while |
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| 09:12.24 | cuono | now i usually use xterm and emacs |
| 09:12.27 | malade_mental | it's a virtual machine though |
| 09:12.29 | cuono | and conkeror for web browser |
| 09:12.31 | Mathisen | malade_mental, ok no clue then, strange error, what does journal -xe say ? |
| 09:12.32 | cuono | oh |
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| 09:12.38 | cuono | my mistake then |
| 09:12.55 | cuono | maybe it was docky |
| 09:12.58 | Mathisen | journalctl -xe |
| 09:12.59 | malade_mental | oh I forgot to specify this is only with "--user" mode |
| 09:13.02 | malade_mental | systemctl is ok |
| 09:13.03 | Mathisen | sorry more coffe needed |
| 09:13.07 | malade_mental | systemctl --user not ok |
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| 09:14.02 | cuono | i were hooked on older de and wm |
| 09:14.17 | cuono | and terminals and finding a program for each thing i used |
| 09:14.24 | cuono | i think i've handpicked every program i use |
| 09:14.27 | malade_mental | which terminal cuono ? |
| 09:14.33 | cuono | xterm |
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| 09:14.38 | cuono | is the one i ended up with |
| 09:14.49 | cuono | it was the one i thought was most ugly at first |
| 09:14.57 | cuono | and the one i thought was most beautiful at last |
| 09:15.05 | cuono | using Xresource it is fine |
| 09:15.20 | malade_mental | me too |
| 09:16.19 | cuono | i used to use st for a while but it was too much of a hassle with the colors |
| 09:16.36 | cuono | xterm is cool |
| 09:16.43 | malade_mental | it is cool |
| 09:16.49 | Mathisen | malade_mental, what did journalctl -xe say |
| 09:16.51 | alkisg | malade_mental: when you ssh to some user, is `systemd --user` started for that user? |
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| 09:17.48 | Mathisen | btw urxvt is cool for a terminal |
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| 09:19.00 | cuono | i was planning on making a distro based on tinycore linux which only had keyboard controlled programs for everything |
| 09:19.10 | cuono | prefereably emacs and vi keybindings |
| 09:19.11 | pingfloyd | the 's' in st must stand for seventies (in functionality). |
| 09:19.17 | cuono | and no menus or as little as possible |
| 09:19.32 | cuono | i started it a bit but didn't go all the way |
| 09:19.39 | malade_mental | alkisg: http://paste.debian.net/1010352/ |
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| 09:20.00 | cuono | i got most of the programs but not put it on tc usb |
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| 09:20.14 | alkisg | malade_mental: I don't see this: alkisg 2090 0.0 0.0 45404 2416 ? Ss Φεβ01 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd --user |
| 09:20.27 | malade_mental | Mathisen: http://paste.debian.net/1010353/ |
| 09:20.38 | alkisg | malade_mental: create a new testuser, then ssh testuser@localhost, then check if that line is there for him. If not, it's a pam misconfiguration |
| 09:20.41 | malade_mental | alkisg: i agree |
| 09:20.43 | malade_mental | ok |
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| 09:21.11 | alkisg | malade_mental: also, check this: grep -r systemd.so /etc/pam.d |
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| 09:24.03 | malade_mental | alkisg: same error with test user |
| 09:24.16 | alkisg | malade_mental: ok, what's the output of that command? |
| 09:24.21 | alkisg | grep -r systemd.so /etc/pam.d |
| 09:24.27 | alkisg | Also, which debian version? |
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| 09:24.53 | malade_mental | debian stable |
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| 09:25.11 | malade_mental | http://paste.debian.net/1010354/ alkisg |
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| 09:27.03 | alkisg | malade_mental: do you get a line like "systemd-logind: new session for user testuser" in /var/log/auth.log when you login via ssh? |
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| 09:38.33 | malade_mental | nope alkisg |
| 09:38.36 | gpk | Sometimes I run a script which runs apt and it fails because the dpkg lock is on, presumably because some daemon is doing an automatic update. How can I make my script wait until it is unlocked? |
| 09:38.40 | malade_mental | (sorry i was at coffee :p) |
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| 09:45.57 | malade_mental | alkisg, Mathisen, I found why it did not work, in sshd_config , UsePAM was set to "no" |
| 09:46.20 | Mathisen | *slow clap* |
| 09:46.45 | malade_mental | :S |
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| 09:49.00 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 09:49.30 | ychaouche | I want to have the same packages in machine A in machine B. |
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| 09:49.53 | ychaouche | Do you recommend dselect for this ? |
| 09:50.13 | jelly | !aptitude clone |
| 09:50.13 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 09:50.45 | ychaouche | nice ! thanks jelly |
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| 09:52.53 | Mathisen | dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ychaouche_list.txt |
| 09:52.53 | dpkg | selects mathisen's family photos collection |
| 09:52.56 | Mathisen | works also |
| 09:53.23 | ychaouche | Mathisen: then what do you do with that list ? |
| 09:53.25 | Mathisen | then just install from list on other computer |
| 09:53.30 | ychaouche | how ? |
| 09:53.48 | Mathisen | sudo apt-get install -y $(< ychaouche_list.txt) |
| 09:55.13 | jelly | that does not take care of which packages were installed automatically and which were only pulled in as dependencies |
| 09:56.08 | ychaouche | jelly: what about : dselect update, dpkg --selections < packages.lst; apt-get dselect-upgrade ? |
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| 09:56.27 | ychaouche | dpkg --set*-selections |
| 09:56.28 | dpkg | ychaouche: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:56.42 | ychaouche | not for you, dpkg |
| 09:58.13 | babilen | dpkg: debian clone |
| 09:58.13 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 09:58.39 | babilen | That's the *other* approach that does not keep information on which packages were automatically installed |
| 09:59.23 | ychaouche | Oh, so the preferred one is with aptitude then ? |
| 09:59.31 | babilen | Absolutely |
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| 09:59.41 | ychaouche | great. Thanks babilen and jelly |
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| 10:01.45 | ychaouche | dpkg: things to backup |
| 10:01.46 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 10:02.12 | jelly | there's a very simple "things to backup": everything |
| 10:02.22 | ychaouche | :p |
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| 10:03.51 | ychaouche | should I also clone the users file ? like /etc/shadow{-} and /etc/group{-} ? |
| 10:04.22 | jelly | if you need to |
| 10:05.12 | jelly | perhaps only copy the entries for actual users (from /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow} yeah) |
| 10:06.05 | ychaouche | Suppose I first install a package like postfix, which would create a postfix user, then copy /etc/shadow, and they don't have the same ID. Wouldn't that create unknown users ? |
| 10:06.17 | jelly | because if you copy the whole thing, you need to do that before installing anything to avoid debian's installation scripts creating service users with different uids/gids |
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| 10:06.36 | ychaouche | ok you answered before I asked. |
| 10:06.38 | ychaouche | :) |
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| 10:07.43 | jelly | and then you have to care about differences and overlap of numerical uid/gid |
| 10:08.16 | jelly | and about correct approached to backup and restore to preserve them |
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| 10:41.23 | JohnWigley | Hi, I've screwed up a production Debian 8 server by upgrading the kernel from the v3.16. to a v4 revision. Now I'm trying quickly to go back to the packaged kernel version. So I tried: apt-get install linux-image-3.16.0-5-686-pae hoping it would reinstall the previous version but it didn't as the package was already installed. How do I get it to downgrade back to the official kernel versio? |
| 10:41.23 | JohnWigley | Thanks! |
| 10:42.48 | petemc | you should have the old kernel as a boot option now |
| 10:43.01 | petemc | if you're happy it works, configure grub to boot it by default |
| 10:43.13 | JohnWigley | petemc: thanks, how do I do that? |
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| 10:45.28 | petemc | you can edit /etc/default/grub, or use grub-set-default. i would check latest docs though as i havent done it in a while |
| 10:47.43 | BanHammor | there is also the option to save the latest boot |
| 10:48.01 | BanHammor | (only works if grub can actually write to your / partition tho) |
| 10:48.24 | JohnWigley | ok, I can't find any sign of multiple configurations in any of the grub config files /etc/grub.d or /etc/defaults/grub |
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| 10:49.09 | JohnWigley | I'd expected to have found the different kernel revisions listed as configs in one of those, but none of them have a file modified date recently. |
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| 10:49.58 | BanHammor | etc defaults grub is the seed file for autogeneration |
| 10:50.21 | BanHammor | /boot/grub/grub.cfg is where the resultant config is |
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| 10:52.25 | BanHammor | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB/Tips_and_tricks#Recall_previous_entry this is what you can edit |
| 10:52.29 | JohnWigley | ok, when I actually rebooted, under Advanced options - I saw several previous kernel configs including the 3.16 - THANK YOU! |
| 10:53.04 | BanHammor | ...but also i gotta wonder how 4.x managed to screw your debian so bad |
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| 10:54.05 | versuchsanstalt | Having installed from netinst stretch, the inet static configuration in /etc/network/interfaces gets ignored. Am I missing a recommended way to configure a static address for a network interface? |
| 10:54.21 | Tapioco71 | please help, I'm trying to install 9.3.0 from netinst image for amd64 on a PC overwriting a centos installation, but grub failed to install |
| 10:54.26 | Tapioco71 | thanks |
| 10:54.35 | somiaj | there was a kernel upgrade in jessie that ended up being very bad for a unforuntally not so small set of cpus. |
| 10:54.46 | JohnWigley | Because the server is an Asterisk voip box, and Asterisk requires a kernel module for timing generation for it's conference call service for a historic reason. In my true incompetence I hadn't realised this, upgraded it and now the phone system won't work. |
| 10:54.52 | petn-randall | Tapioco71: How did you prepare the image? |
| 10:55.01 | BanHammor | versuchsanstalt, do you bring up the network via ifup/ifdown? |
| 10:55.02 | versuchsanstalt | No matter what, if I ifdown and ifup the device, it comes up with an address different from what I have configured in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 10:55.08 | versuchsanstalt | BanHammor: yes |
| 10:55.13 | petn-randall | Tapioco71: As in, if it's a USB blockk device, which tools/commands did you use? |
| 10:55.32 | Tapioco71 | petn-randall: I installed it via netinst on a cd |
| 10:55.33 | somiaj | Tapioco71: if grub is the only thing failing to install, you can manually install it, just open up a console and chroot into /target, and install it using grub-install |
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| 10:55.50 | versuchsanstalt | BanHammor: did the way to do it change with the switch to systemd? |
| 10:56.10 | petn-randall | Tapioco71: What error do you get installing? |
| 10:56.17 | BanHammor | systemd still uses ifup/ifdown internally when it brings up networking.service |
| 10:56.19 | petn-randall | Tapioco71: And which device are you selecting to install? |
| 10:56.19 | BanHammor | so no |
| 10:56.22 | tmm88 | the installation process should be pretty simple. create a boot device with sudo dd if of bs=1m |
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| 10:56.45 | BanHammor | but do check your dmesg/journalctl for network IP negotiation |
| 10:56.56 | versuchsanstalt | BanHammor: cool, i'll do |
| 10:56.56 | tmm88 | and then please call the old gui |
| 10:56.59 | tmm88 | to install it |
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| 10:57.07 | Tapioco71 | I installed it with the same image and media on the same machine, now there's centos and I'm trying to reinstall back debian |
| 10:57.18 | tmm88 | after that the process shall go on a pretty easy way |
| 10:57.19 | Tapioco71 | there's no grub-install |
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| 10:57.27 | petn-randall | tmm88: context? |
| 10:57.28 | Tapioco71 | there's grub-installer |
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| 10:58.09 | somiaj | Tapioco71: did you chroot into /target? |
| 10:58.18 | Tapioco71 | yes |
| 10:58.32 | tmm88 | the classic gui |
| 10:58.37 | somiaj | Tapioco71: dpkg -l | grep grub (are the grub packages installed?), also efi or legacy boot? |
| 10:58.42 | tmm88 | the classic gui does not generally fail |
| 10:58.49 | tmm88 | and you can easily install it |
| 10:59.20 | Tapioco71 | tmm88: is not working either |
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| 11:00.30 | dionysus69 | should I keep ntp port open? 123? |
| 11:00.44 | dionysus69 | what happens if I close it, system looses track of time or what? |
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| 11:01.03 | petn-randall | dionysus69: Nobody will be able to sync time from that machine. |
| 11:01.26 | dionysus69 | does system do it by itself? |
| 11:01.38 | dionysus69 | I am fine with the time set on the server at the moment |
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| 11:02.26 | petn-randall | dionysus69: No, systems don't do it by itself, you have to configure them to sync time from that machine. |
| 11:02.47 | dionysus69 | ok I guess I ll keep it closed |
| 11:02.49 | dionysus69 | thanks |
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| 11:02.53 | cube | hi |
| 11:02.58 | cube | Fuck pulse audo |
| 11:03.02 | cube | fuck systemD |
| 11:03.05 | dionysus69 | yep |
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| 11:03.12 | dionysus69 | why systemd is cool xD |
| 11:03.18 | dionysus69 | at least for what i need, simple services |
| 11:03.25 | petn-randall | dionysus69: please ignore the troll |
| 11:03.33 | dionysus69 | lol :D |
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| 11:05.09 | petn-randall | cube: This is a Debian support channel. Feel free to ask questions in here as soon as the +q timed out. Ranting is not welcome. Also keep it family-friendly in here. |
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| 11:05.16 | versuchsanstalt | So the interface comes up as eth0 first, gets renamed to ens160 afterwards. My efforts to ifdown and ifup show up in dmesg as follows: ens160: intr type 3, mode 0, 3 vectors allocated \n ens160: NIC Link is Up 10000 Mbps |
| 11:05.49 | versuchsanstalt | I still don't understand where it gets its IP address from, which is different from what I have configured in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 11:05.56 | versuchsanstalt | and there's nothing in interfaces.d |
| 11:06.13 | somiaj | versuchsanstalt: do you have ens160 or eth0 configured in the interfaces file? |
| 11:06.14 | versuchsanstalt | even commented out the source command |
| 11:06.15 | petn-randall | versuchsanstalt: can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces, and also the output of 'ip addr'? |
| 11:06.24 | versuchsanstalt | somiaj: ens160 |
| 11:07.02 | Tapioco71 | modinfo.sh not found during grub-install |
| 11:07.18 | versuchsanstalt | petn-randall: do we have a paste channel? |
| 11:07.31 | petn-randall | versuchsanstalt: Oh right, you can use https://paste.debian.net. |
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| 11:08.29 | versuchsanstalt | haha, pasting from a vmware console... :-) hold on a sec |
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| 11:09.02 | somiaj | Tapioco71: you said you are trying to install over a centos install? did you format the filesystem frist? |
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| 11:11.39 | somiaj | Tapioco71: also are you doing efi or legacy boot. Google seems to suggest this error if you are mixing the two. |
| 11:12.00 | somiaj | Tapioco71: and provdie the full path fo the modinfo.sh file it cannot find. |
| 11:12.03 | Tapioco71 | efi boot |
| 11:12.18 | Tapioco71 | I also dd to zero the hs |
| 11:12.19 | Tapioco71 | I also dd to zero the hd |
| 11:13.44 | BanHammor | why did you do that? |
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| 11:15.01 | Tapioco71 | BanHammor: to remove data in ESP partition |
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| 11:15.40 | somiaj | esp partition? AGain I'm waiting for the full path of this modinfo.sh file that is not found. It seems that you have some mix of legacy and efi boot grub packages installed. |
| 11:15.51 | somiaj | (at least that is the common google hit IM' getting) |
| 11:16.01 | Tapioco71 | but I booted the EFI ATAPI device!!!! |
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| 11:16.33 | somiaj | okay, but still I've asked for a full path, what is it, it will help double check my huntch or not. |
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| 11:18.43 | versuchsanstalt | ok, got the output of ip addr and the content of /etc/network/interfaces here: http://paste.debian.net/1010372/ |
| 11:19.04 | versuchsanstalt | took me a while to exfil that |
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| 11:20.06 | Tapioco71 | Executing 'grub-install-dummy' failed |
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| 11:20.14 | Tapioco71 | in graphical installer |
| 11:20.24 | somiaj | Tapioco71: that is not what I asked, you said it gave some error about modinfo.sh, what was the full path? |
| 11:20.35 | Tapioco71 | I restarted installation nw |
| 11:20.39 | Tapioco71 | I restarted installation now |
| 11:20.44 | Tapioco71 | Executing 'grub-install-dummy' failed |
| 11:20.49 | Tapioco71 | in graphical installer |
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| 11:22.23 | nirj34 | hello, is anyone familiar with these errors when connecting to server via filezilla, particularly the "503 login incorrect" error? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/08719ae3/ |
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| 11:23.29 | superlinux | Hello. I edited /etc/defaults/useradd to change the default home directory to other than /home. still, the command "adduser" is still using /home. I know I can use options. but there is a file already for it. |
| 11:23.46 | somiaj | versuchsanstalt: it seems weird to me that you have a /24 on your address, though I'm not that much of an networking expert. And the address seems to agree with the /24 block |
| 11:23.51 | superlinux | so how can I force adduser to use /etc/defaults/useradd ? |
| 11:23.59 | Tapioco71 | any hints? |
| 11:24.21 | versuchsanstalt | somiaj: I added the /24 which didnt change anything |
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| 11:24.49 | versuchsanstalt | oh, wait |
| 11:24.58 | somiaj | versuchsanstalt: the /24 seems strange, what was the output if ip addr without it. Though I'm unsure why your interface is being given two address, but they are both correct in the /24 block |
| 11:25.40 | somiaj | superlinux: why not configure /etc/adduser.conf as per the manpage? |
| 11:25.42 | versuchsanstalt | i didnt notice until now that ip addr shows two addresses, which ifconfig didnt do |
| 11:25.54 | superlinux | ah really!? i will do that |
| 11:26.00 | versuchsanstalt | so i might have a problem less |
| 11:26.01 | superlinux | thanks alot |
| 11:27.14 | somiaj | Tapioco71: what install image are you using? And how did you write it to the usb/burn it to the cd? |
| 11:27.41 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: netinst 9.3.0 written using k3b on a cd |
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| 11:28.10 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: this image was used to installed the first time debian on the same machine |
| 11:28.38 | somiaj | Tapioco71: it is strange grub is failing, unsure if it is somthing special about yorusetup, a confusion between efi/legacy boot or somethign else. But if grub is the onlything that is failing to install, you can manually fix it, you'll just have to deal with any errors that popup in the process |
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| 11:30.14 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: no, for the last time I booted from ATAPI UEFI disk |
| 11:30.19 | Tapioco71 | now |
| 11:30.31 | Tapioco71 | grub-install --target x86_64-efi |
| 11:30.34 | Tapioco71 | gave |
| 11:30.36 | Tapioco71 | error |
| 11:30.52 | Tapioco71 | EFI variables are not supported by this system |
| 11:30.55 | somiaj | what error? anyways, you may just have to start googling the errors, and manually install grub. |
| 11:31.44 | somiaj | if it is saying that error, it is sounding like you are not properly mounted in efi mode, or something with talking to the efi firmware isn't setup after the boot. |
| 11:32.17 | somiaj | run mount, do you have efivarfs on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars mounted? |
| 11:32.36 | Tapioco71 | not mounted |
| 11:32.38 | somiaj | did you mount --bind /sys into the chroot before you chrooted into ti to manually install grub |
| 11:32.43 | somiaj | well that is why it can't read the efivars |
| 11:32.58 | Tapioco71 | then a bios problem??? |
| 11:33.03 | versuchsanstalt | so thank you guys for pointing me to ip addr. turns out that I can achieve what I want to do for today, I'll try to find out where that second ip address comes from later. |
| 11:33.31 | somiaj | versuchsanstalt: yea, ip is the replacement of ifconfig |
| 11:34.25 | versuchsanstalt | somiaj: I should make the switch, lazy me. |
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| 11:34.59 | somiaj | versuchsanstalt: both should work, but I do think it is suggested to start getting use to the new tools. |
| 11:35.07 | somiaj | (and ip really isn't that new) |
| 11:35.33 | versuchsanstalt | its good to have to fix a lot of stuff at work. you really get lazy when you just dist-upgrade a farm of private machines that just work... :-) |
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| 11:40.43 | cuono | i like to use grep |
| 11:40.46 | cuono | and emacs |
| 11:40.49 | cuono | and conkeror |
| 11:40.55 | cuono | i like all of those software |
| 11:41.02 | BanHammor | huh, my udisks is -convinced- that /dev/sdc1 is a "system device" and requires root for me to use it |
| 11:41.13 | BanHammor | how do i disavow it of the notion? |
| 11:41.43 | wigums | chown |
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| 11:43.36 | password2 | hi , in /etc/network/interfaces the file has 'source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d' , does that mean i should drop my configs in interfaces.d ? |
| 11:44.08 | BanHammor | preferably yes |
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| 11:44.51 | BanHammor | wigums, how do i, uh, do that? chown <user> /dev/sdc1 is a really stupid thing to do |
| 11:45.36 | wigums | why cant your user own a non system partition? |
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| 11:45.54 | wigums | thats just a stup uh comment |
| 11:45.57 | BCMM | wait what? i just joined, but may i be nosy and ask why somebody would want to do that? |
| 11:46.31 | JohnWigley | After having managed to reboot the server into the old kernel, I'm trying to get Grubs config file updated to have the default entry pointing back to the 3.16 kernel. I can see with grub- set-default that it create a /boot/grub.env file with the correct entry BUT it still leaves /boot/grub.conf with the default entry set to the non working v4 kernel. I see that grub-mkconfig is still creating |
| 11:46.32 | JohnWigley | a grub.conf with the wrong kernel set as default. Where do I change the config options that control how the default entry is created? Thanks |
| 11:46.33 | wigums | he wants to access a non system partition without root |
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| 11:46.49 | BanHammor | well, i want to mount it without root |
| 11:46.50 | wigums | thats noyt stupid at all |
| 11:47.05 | wigums | well you have to chown it then |
| 11:47.17 | wigums | dont be daft |
| 11:47.38 | BCMM | that's not right at all |
| 11:47.46 | wigums | its not like its / |
| 11:47.54 | BCMM | mounting is a privileged action even when you own the block device |
| 11:47.55 | BanHammor | im not daft, i'm asking about how udisks forms its policy about what is/isn't a system partition |
| 11:48.23 | wigums | no you asked how you could use it without being root |
| 11:49.12 | wigums | i have 4 drives. 1 system 3 non system. 3 non system are owned by user... why do you guys say thats stupid? |
| 11:49.22 | somiaj | password2: it is your choice of how you want to split up your configuration files. |
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| 11:49.54 | BluesKaj | 'Morning |
| 11:49.56 | BCMM | hmm, actually... while mount itself doesn't, i wonder if udisks does check permissions... are usb block devices owned by plugdev? |
| 11:50.07 | wigums | if its a non system partition root doesnt need to own it |
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| 11:50.59 | BCMM | does just adding "user" to the mount options in fstab still work? or is that an obsolete thing from before udisks? |
| 11:51.02 | versuchsanstalt | password2: depending on the complexity of your setup, it may or may not be a good idea to split the config up |
| 11:51.41 | BanHammor | it's a flash drive, adding it to fstab isn't awesome |
| 11:52.07 | wigums | oh dear god is it derp o'clock already? |
| 11:52.21 | BCMM | BanHammor: huh, flash drives usually just mount under udisks... what filesystem have you got on that? |
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| 11:52.43 | BanHammor | was originally NTFS, i reformatted to ext4 |
| 11:52.50 | BCMM | BanHammor: and just to be sure, are you in plugdev? |
| 11:53.17 | BanHammor | ye |
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| 11:53.36 | BCMM | i suspect the difference is the filesystem, but i'm not sure |
| 11:53.58 | BCMM | i mean, udisks does the obvious thing with permissionless filesystems like vfat |
| 11:54.40 | BCMM | but it's actually not clear what the right way to think about a drive with various user permissions being owned by a single user is |
| 11:55.08 | BCMM | BanHammor: is it a single drive, or do you have a regular reason to use different ext4 flash drives? |
| 11:55.25 | cuono | hey ppl |
| 11:55.27 | BanHammor | embedded development |
| 11:56.00 | BCMM | BanHammor: adding it to fstab needn't break the behavior of "normal" flash drives, as you can list it by uuid or label |
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| 11:58.30 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: I installed the normal version and it worked |
| 11:59.01 | n4dir | did someone mention pmount yet? i didn't follow the discussion and am to busy to do it right now |
| 11:59.21 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: now I tried to reinstall UEFI and same error again |
| 11:59.48 | password2 | versuchsanstalt: well I'm done with the setup |
| 12:00.02 | somiaj | you can't just reinstall uefi, if you aren't booting into efi mode fromt eh start, you can't install grub-efi |
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| 12:01.21 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: the problem is that I'M BOOTING IN UEFI MODE!!!!! |
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| 12:01.56 | somiaj | are you sure? You said yoruself that efivars was not mounted, that sounds like you are not in uefi mode. |
| 12:02.34 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: I started from BIOS |
| 12:02.51 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: BIOS = boot from UEFI ATAPI... |
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| 12:06.03 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: now I'm on the Debian Linux GNU UEFI Installer just entering the graphic mode |
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| 12:09.17 | Tapioco71 | is 9.3.0 the last image? |
| 12:09.31 | Tapioco71 | I burned a new cd with it |
| 12:09.50 | somiaj | yes 9.3 is the latest point release |
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| 12:13.30 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: same problem |
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| 12:14.21 | somiaj | again, just read up and manually fix it. Something about your efi setup/firmware/how youa re booting is not working, but it is only grub, so just manually fix it. There is info on google about this |
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| 12:17.15 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: I configured the bios for other os security and cleared the keys |
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| 12:17.54 | somiaj | that is not the problem, the problem seems to be (last actual error you gave) was efivars is not being mounted correctly, google that. |
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| 12:28.50 | MrScoumoune | Hi all |
| 12:29.55 | MrScoumoune | What is the link with the service network, and ifup/ifdown |
| 12:30.42 | MrScoumoune | because don't have lot of information, in systemctl status network |
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| 12:31.28 | MrScoumoune | So what is the service? I do not understand the link between networking and ifup / ifdown |
| 12:32.10 | MrScoumoune | Personaly, I use /etc/interface for manuel activate wlan0 |
| 12:33.33 | BanHammor | honestly as you go into wlan0, you're better off using networkmanager anyway |
| 12:33.56 | MrScoumoune | I prefer ifup/ifdown |
| 12:34.02 | BluesKaj | with wifi NM is the best choice |
| 12:34.16 | MrScoumoune | :/ |
| 12:34.23 | MrScoumoune | is wpa-supplicant the best choice |
| 12:34.43 | MrScoumoune | I user nm with gnome3 is very bullshit |
| 12:34.48 | MrScoumoune | sorry for the word |
| 12:35.01 | MrScoumoune | seriously, i remove always networkmanager of distri |
| 12:35.06 | petn-randall | o.O |
| 12:35.12 | petn-randall | Each to their own, I guess. |
| 12:35.15 | BluesKaj | MrScoumoune, you can setup sith the intefaces file on wifi , but it's clunky and complicated |
| 12:35.25 | BluesKaj | with |
| 12:35.59 | MrScoumoune | no |
| 12:36.08 | MrScoumoune | i have config the file etc/interfaces ^^ |
| 12:36.09 | petn-randall | MrScoumoune: Feel free to set up your wifi with ifupdown, but if the AP isn't there during boot, it won't be configured. And you'll have to run 'ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0' when you're in reach again. |
| 12:36.12 | BluesKaj | then why are you here ? |
| 12:36.18 | MrScoumoune | and i have add script in interfaces.d and etc |
| 12:36.34 | MrScoumoune | yeap that right |
| 12:36.46 | MrScoumoune | I use manuel ifup for activated my interfaces |
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| 12:36.51 | MrScoumoune | sorry for my english |
| 12:36.59 | t3st3r | [15:58:36] <MrScoumoune> is wpa-supplicant the best choice <- only for static setups... |
| 12:37.07 | BluesKaj | then install ifupdown |
| 12:37.11 | petn-randall | MrScoumoune: No worries. So what problem are you seeing? |
| 12:37.19 | MrScoumoune | My question is the service networking |
| 12:37.27 | MrScoumoune | What is the link with ifup |
| 12:37.41 | MrScoumoune | Is juste use if interfaces is auto or what ? |
| 12:37.47 | t3st3r | I can't imagine using wpa_supplicant and so on to configure that net in cafe, etc |
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| 12:38.12 | t3st3r | that's what I meant in regard of "static setup" |
| 12:38.17 | MrScoumoune | Yea |
| 12:38.27 | BluesKaj | MrScoumoune, usually if you use the interfaces file it's for static IP without NM |
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| 12:38.36 | petn-randall | MrScoumoune: When the networking service is run during boot, it will run 'ifup <ifname>' on every device marked as auto. That is all. |
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| 12:38.49 | MrScoumoune | Oh ok |
| 12:38.55 | petn-randall | MrScoumoune: Restarting networking won't reset any connections, it will do nothing. |
| 12:39.08 | BluesKaj | dhclient perhaps ? |
| 12:39.16 | MrScoumoune | Yea, but is very bug, when systemctl restart networking |
| 12:39.25 | MrScoumoune | I have an static and an dhcp |
| 12:39.28 | petn-randall | !restart networking |
| 12:39.28 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, the use of the networking init script to reload networking configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove all iptables rules: iptables -F. See also <mdblows>. |
| 12:39.40 | MrScoumoune | I juste use ifup, with script in if-up.d etc |
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| 12:39.43 | MrScoumoune | Is very cool |
| 12:39.49 | hakan | hey guys |
| 12:40.01 | MrScoumoune | When you have testing that, you don't have need networkmanager seriously |
| 12:40.08 | hakan | is anybody there than can help me with the intallation? |
| 12:40.19 | MrScoumoune | So the service network, i cn remove it ? |
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| 12:40.38 | petn-randall | MrScoumoune: If you don't need a working network, go ahead. |
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| 12:41.09 | hakan | i have copy the iso to a usb drive |
| 12:41.10 | MrScoumoune | So the service is quiet or what ? |
| 12:41.23 | MrScoumoune | Because ifup -v, say informations |
| 12:41.28 | hakan | but when i try to boot it up it doesnt do nothing? |
| 12:41.31 | MrScoumoune | but networking status say nothing |
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| 12:41.39 | hakan | does it happens to you too? |
| 12:41.55 | aedinius | hakan: 1) how did you copy it 2) did you tell the computer to boot from it? |
| 12:41.59 | MrScoumoune | sorry is just for understand, the service |
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| 12:42.26 | hakan | aedinius: hello |
| 12:42.37 | hakan | i have read it on the debian page |
| 12:43.01 | hakan | just cp /dir/debian.iso /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:43.08 | MrScoumoune | dd is better |
| 12:43.19 | MrScoumoune | and in sdb no part. |
| 12:43.22 | petn-randall | MrScoumoune: No, it's not. |
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| 12:43.27 | aedinius | cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb |
| 12:43.31 | aedinius | That should be all you need |
| 12:43.33 | MrScoumoune | ok |
| 12:43.52 | aedinius | Make sure sdb is your usb though |
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| 12:44.34 | MrScoumoune | you know what |
| 12:44.39 | jelly | what |
| 12:44.43 | MrScoumoune | If networking say nothing |
| 12:44.54 | MrScoumoune | I think i go make script for ifup |
| 12:45.14 | jelly | dd isn't better than cp in this case, cp knows to use an optimal block size by its own |
| 12:45.24 | tw | because you just don't like the way its done? why? |
| 12:45.36 | MrScoumoune | dd is the better for make an usb boot |
| 12:45.40 | jelly | nope |
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| 12:45.45 | hakan | aedinius: yes i checked the boot to run it from the ubs |
| 12:45.46 | MrScoumoune | and for loop |
| 12:45.47 | tw | no, cp is block aware and needs no configuration. |
| 12:45.50 | hakan | but nothing happens |
| 12:46.05 | hakan | i already done this with the debian 8.something |
| 12:46.05 | tw | gnu coreutils' cp, not bsd's cp |
| 12:46.23 | hakan | but i can make it boot from the usb this time |
| 12:46.28 | jelly | (debian install guide has switched to recommending cp when making bootable usb for this reason; less issues in general) |
| 12:46.30 | hakan | dunno why |
| 12:46.39 | MrScoumoune | jelly seriously ? |
| 12:46.49 | hakan | jelly: yass i did cp |
| 12:47.00 | hakan | https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 12:47.07 | MrScoumoune | yea but cp no clear the part. of usb |
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| 12:47.30 | tw | Yes it does if you use the base block device without partition. |
| 12:47.30 | jelly | overwriting the partition table in any way clears it |
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| 12:47.48 | MrScoumoune | My second question is |
| 12:47.52 | hakan | so what should i do? |
| 12:48.04 | hakan | send help! |
| 12:48.07 | hakan | lul |
| 12:48.11 | tw | hakan: have you tried without secureboot? |
| 12:48.13 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 12:48.13 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:48.33 | aedinius | cp debian.iso /dev/sdb <== have you tried that |
| 12:48.40 | aedinius | lol |
| 12:48.40 | hakan | tw: my lappy doest have security boot |
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| 12:48.43 | hakan | it is not that new |
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| 12:49.13 | MrScoumoune | It is possible to modify the Debian interface, to customize its packages ? If have mount and loop iso and sqfs, and chroot. |
| 12:49.16 | hakan | aedinius: when i stick the usb its shows up as /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:49.16 | tw | older than 2012? okay, uhm, does it get to grub at all or just give you a black screen? |
| 12:49.49 | MrScoumoune | juste use dd, i dont have problem seriously, i have make an usb boot with syslinux boot |
| 12:49.54 | hakan | it is also mentioned on the debian page that is will be somethgi like /dev/sdbX |
| 12:49.57 | BluesKaj | we once had a user on a chat who punctuated every post ending in lol...it was maddening |
| 12:49.59 | aedinius | hakan: sdb1 is a specific partition. sdb is the usb itself. the iso expects to take up the entire disk, not just a partition (it brings its own partitions scheme) |
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| 12:50.18 | MrScoumoune | blkid and df -h is your tools |
| 12:50.58 | aedinius | hakan: where? |
| 12:50.58 | MrScoumoune | Debian .iso* |
| 12:51.22 | hakan | aedinius: i thing i own youa beer, bro |
| 12:51.26 | aedinius | The instructions for writing the ISO: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX |
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| 12:52.01 | hakan | aedinius: you are absolutly right |
| 12:52.27 | MrScoumoune | I prefer that : dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 12:53.10 | aedinius | I throw a bunch of bs and other options on dd, people look over my shoulder and think I'm super good and the ladies just line up. |
| 12:53.23 | hakan | MrScoumoune: i just have saw it on a vid on youtube that uses "dd" |
| 12:53.32 | hakan | i have never used it before |
| 12:53.38 | MrScoumoune | yea i have make lof of boot usb or sd usb |
| 12:53.42 | MrScoumoune | Never problem |
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| 12:54.02 | aedinius | https://www.vidarholen.net/contents/blog/?p=479 |
| 12:54.17 | hakan | i will try it now aedinius ;) |
| 12:54.33 | hakan | btw |
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| 12:55.01 | hakan | which is the default desk enviroment for debian? |
| 12:55.09 | hakan | i know it have many |
| 12:55.12 | MrScoumoune | yea |
| 12:55.19 | hakan | but which is the default? |
| 12:55.42 | tw | gnome3, iirc, but it's been a while since I installed the default. |
| 12:56.01 | MrScoumoune | I have gnome3, but on light debien have xfce4 |
| 12:56.32 | MrScoumoune | hakan, juste choose you're pefer |
| 12:56.48 | MrScoumoune | if you istall by network |
| 12:56.53 | MrScoumoune | install* |
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| 12:58.14 | wozzoz | Hi all, I would like to apply a patch but i'm not smart enough to figure out how from the available information. The patch is here: https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2017-October/054991.html and fixes an xorg/xcalib bug preventing invert alter (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851810). I can't figure out how to get source, l |
| 12:58.14 | wozzoz | et alone rebuild. I thought this would be where i start: `sudo apt-get build-dep xorg-server-source` but i am no further along as can't find `modesetting/driver.c` |
| 12:58.15 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851810 in xcalib (open, a11y): «xcalib: "Error - unsupported ramp size 0" when trying to invert screen»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-18; last modified: 2017-10-27. |
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| 13:01.21 | MrScoumoune | Any have idea if is it possible ? |
| 13:02.34 | fightthewalrus | is it considered bad practice to add multiple architectures to dpkg? I just want to install one package from another arch, but that pulls off too many dependencies to install from deb |
| 13:02.47 | MrScoumoune | is it possible to modify the iso install of Debian to change the packages and the configuration? |
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| 13:03.12 | tw | fightthewalrus: not bad practice, but you probably need those packages if you want to execute in that architecture. |
| 13:03.34 | tw | MrScoumoune: yes, preseed requires you do exactly that. |
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| 13:05.13 | fightthewalrus | tw: would that mean that from the point that I enable another arch and on I'd have to specifically select packages for my default arch always? |
| 13:05.19 | MrScoumoune | tw te good way is, mount loop debian.iso, cp file, mount sqfds cp files, chrott sqfds, and modify, remount all and finish ? |
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| 13:06.22 | tw | fightthewalrus: I think it's the other way around, you have to explicitly add the foreign arch that you added. |
| 13:06.42 | tw | so by default, bare packages are the default arch for the system. |
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| 13:07.21 | tw | MrScoumoune: pretty much that. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso |
| 13:07.45 | fightthewalrus | got it. So my usability would remain more or less untouched. |
| 13:07.53 | fightthewalrus | thanks for the clarification, tw |
| 13:07.57 | tw | yw. |
| 13:08.16 | dEbuser31 | Hello everybody I'm trying to setup a pppoe server to test pppoe connections from my vm. It followed various tutorials and the pppoe server is setup. It's not working, what I wonder is should i also setup a DCHP server or just the PPPoE one is sufficient ? |
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| 13:09.47 | BillyCrook | I've netboot/netinstalled rhel with kickstarts for a long time, and I recently started using preseed. What directive should I add to preseed to install only a minimal system? meaning able to be SSH'd into, but no daemons other than ntp, and certainly no gui login or anything that requires a framebuffer. (I noticed that it appears the default package selection includes graphical grub and gdm and presumably gnome) |
| 13:10.35 | MrScoumoune | tw ok thank i go read that |
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| 13:12.13 | Tapioco71 | somiaj: no clue for efivars |
| 13:12.38 | tw | BillyCrook: play around with tasksel/first. I think the one you want is just "standard" |
| 13:12.48 | tw | Then add pkgsel openssh-server |
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| 13:13.30 | jelly | BillyCrook: if you want openssh-server and ntp, install those packages, but that's not a minimal system any more |
| 13:13.45 | BillyCrook | tw where can I get a list of all the things I can choose there? |
| 13:15.38 | jelly | coworker says you just set tasksel's preseed value to anything and task-gnome-desktop won't get selected |
| 13:16.03 | jelly | BillyCrook: as for pkgsel that would be the list of all packages |
| 13:16.21 | tw | Yeah, I don't know where the list for tasksel is, I did a bunch of trial and error to get mine right. |
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| 13:17.04 | BillyCrook | I haven't tried setting it to nothing. I suppose that makes sense. it must default to give me gnome and libreoffice etc. |
| 13:17.46 | tw | Maybe debconf-get-selections will help? |
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| 13:18.10 | BillyCrook | My intention is to start with a minimum viable install. I want to be able to ssh to it, and for it to be secure, but not much more without installin things |
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| 13:18.22 | BillyCrook | I'll try that, thanks tw! |
| 13:18.34 | psdn | Is it normal to want to often rebuild a dev server? I end up loading my server up with tons of packages, amny I don't use. Then a new versions of debian shows up and I want to waste a day rebuilding my server. Is there a better way? |
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| 13:19.43 | jelly | psdn: "new version of debian" happens like once every two years |
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| 13:20.02 | psdn | Ok, regardless of new debian version. |
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| 13:20.37 | jelly | if you do it often you might want to automate the installation |
| 13:20.50 | psdn | I'm just rebuilding every six months because I've installed so many things, mostly to try them, and I feel uncomfortable with so many packages that I forget about. |
| 13:21.06 | JustASlacker | maybe use a vm? |
| 13:21.32 | psdn | I would like to make a base image, but since we moved to 9.3, if I made an image for 8.7, it would be wasted. |
| 13:21.44 | jelly | "rebuild my server" and "rebuild my vm" has no significant functional difference |
| 13:22.00 | BillyCrook | is it normal that the tasksel line doesn't start with "d-i " |
| 13:22.18 | JustASlacker | you can snapshot a vm |
| 13:22.26 | JustASlacker | and roll back |
| 13:22.51 | jelly | golden images are ultimately a worse idea than automating installation and configuration |
| 13:23.12 | JustASlacker | if its really only dev, maybe you want vagrant? |
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| 13:24.26 | psdn | I already use the snapshot deal, but I run into problems where I have too many unused packages, but my code is far ahead and not sure whcih packages I need any longer. the rebuild helps me install "just what I need". I don't know, I need a good system. Maybe automate my install. |
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| 13:25.09 | psdn | Vagrant? No, it's sort of production as well. Production = dev, it's a just a copy. |
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| 13:25.39 | psdn | DO does not offer vagrant if that is the unstable version. |
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| 13:26.51 | psdn | I see what vagrant is. |
| 13:27.01 | JustASlacker | https://www.vagrantup.com/ |
| 13:27.13 | Tapioco71 | :( |
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| 13:28.44 | tw | I usually automate package selection with a debootstrap script and schroot, then blow it away when I'm done with the project, but there are better tools for doing it now. |
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| 13:30.37 | BillyCrook | tw: What are those better tools? I was getting the feeling that preseed might have been deprecated or something anyway |
| 13:31.00 | tw | I highly doubt preseed is going anywhere. |
| 13:31.22 | BillyCrook | oh. its documentation just seems a bit hard to find |
| 13:32.24 | tw | BillyCrook: in your case, it might be sufficient to install a config management tool (puppet, ansible, etc) and have that do your package selections afterward, but for minimal, ymmv. |
| 13:32.37 | Tapioco71 | so for the 9.3.0 the installation image for amd64 on cd is broken |
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| 13:36.08 | JustASlacker | broken? |
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| 13:37.35 | Tapioco71 | yes it won't install |
| 13:37.39 | Tapioco71 | on UEFI |
| 13:39.04 | JustASlacker | thats bad |
| 13:40.00 | Tapioco71 | seems that booting from cd/dvd in uefi mode won't let grub to install the uefi bootloader |
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| 13:40.20 | tw | the live cd or the netboot installer? |
| 13:40.49 | Tapioco71 | netinst |
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| 13:40.59 | Tapioco71 | 9.3.0 |
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| 13:43.18 | BillyCrook | tw I tried running the command 'pkgsel', but it wasn't installed. So to find what package provides that program, I installed apt-file and updated that, but apt-file search pkgsel only turned up debian-edu-config, and its match was called pre-pkgsel |
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| 13:45.02 | tw | it's a preseed thing, for example: |
| 13:45.03 | tw | -i pkgsel/include string openssh-server build-essential |
| 13:45.07 | tw | d-i |
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| 13:45.39 | BillyCrook | should all non comment lines in preseed start with d-i? |
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| 13:46.36 | tw | I've never seen a counterexample to that. I suspect it's executed as a script. |
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| 13:49.54 | BillyCrook | oh. it's just that many man example lines in the 'official example' preseed file don't start with d-i |
| 13:50.57 | BillyCrook | It wasn't clear to me if they were taking for granted the reader would type d-i themselves, or if it wasn't always needed |
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| 13:54.19 | BillyCrook | tw: in this for example, they don't use the d-i: https://github.com/wuub/packer-templates/blob/master/ubuntu/http/preseed.cfg |
| 13:54.26 | BillyCrook | not for tasksel |
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| 13:55.21 | Tapioco71 | found the problem, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/379774/grub-installation-failed |
| 13:55.40 | Tapioco71 | installing from usb stick worked flawlessy |
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| 13:59.22 | BillyCrook | I feel like its pretty insane to have to just try and guess what lines to have in a preseed file. There should be a de-facto reference somewhere, complete with seperate, distinct preeseed example files for common use cases like gnome-desktop, kde-desktop, lamp server, fileserver, etc |
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| 14:01.11 | psdn | I messed up my login trying to retain ls colors in suo. so when I sudo -i, my prompt changes to "-bash-4.4#" I really wish I could control how my prompt and colors are in sudo. I've been reading and trying things, but nothing affects a change. |
| 14:01.17 | jelly | BillyCrook: so I hear you're volunteering to write a couple of those examples down and send patches to d-i people! |
| 14:02.12 | BillyCrook | jelly: why that's a useful comment. If I had the knowledge to get preeseed to work at all, I wouldn't be asking for help here, now would I? |
| 14:02.19 | mutante | psdn: "in sudo" means "as user root" so if you become root and then go to root's home directory, you can set that like for any other user |
| 14:02.29 | mutante | root is just another user name |
| 14:02.37 | mutante | with a special home usually in /root instead of /home |
| 14:03.16 | jelly | I'm confident you'll figure it out, trial and error |
| 14:03.23 | psdn | So root doesn't get any colors? |
| 14:03.47 | jelly | BillyCrook: the point was if there's no docs, someone has to write them |
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| 14:04.04 | jelly | and expecting someone ELSE to do it is silly |
| 14:04.12 | BillyCrook | jelly: has debian realy had preseed for more than a decade, and nobody has written docs? |
| 14:04.13 | mutante | psdn: i would do the opposite and make root red .. as a warning and reminder |
| 14:04.44 | psdn | that would be great, if I could get it to change. Plus, I don't wwant to see -bash-4.4# |
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| 14:04.51 | mutante | psdn: it just depends on what PS1 is set to |
| 14:05.06 | jelly | BillyCrook: helpful, friendly ones? Correct. |
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| 14:05.24 | psdn | What file is PS1 in? |
| 14:05.38 | BillyCrook | jelly: expecting someone who is clearly still learning a topic to write the documentation on that topic that they need to learn it is not just silly, it is insane |
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| 14:05.46 | mutante | psdn: as your regular user (where you like the way the prompt looks), run echo $PS1 |
| 14:06.15 | Guest46108 | Hi there. I have a couple installations of Ubuntu 17.04 and it has recently come to my attention that the repositories go down within a month of end of support and it isn't really that easy to do a dist-update in Ubuntu anyway. Can anyone comment on whether Debian will present a smoother experience? |
| 14:06.25 | mutante | psdn: then take what you see, edit it if you like, become root and run "export PS1=something" where you replace something with what you got earlier |
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| 14:07.10 | psdn | So it's variable not a file. Thank you mutante! |
| 14:07.17 | mutante | psdn: finally if you like the result you put the "export PS1.." line into /root/.bashrc |
| 14:07.31 | mutante | psdn: yes, an environment variable |
| 14:07.51 | malibu | I really just want to be able to stay updated to a current version as easily as possible. |
| 14:07.58 | mutante | and you can google the special characters you need for the colors |
| 14:08.39 | psdn | Sweet! |
| 14:08.44 | psdn | Thank you again! |
| 14:08.44 | mutante | psdn: special things in there include %u and %h which will be replaced with user name and host name |
| 14:08.50 | mutante | quite welcome |
| 14:09.47 | malibu | Also, how is KDE in Debian? |
| 14:09.59 | pingfloyd | it's KDE |
| 14:10.27 | malibu | Some distros set up KDE better than others |
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| 14:11.22 | jelly | it's not excellent. I just blocked my session trying to use its screenshot tool |
| 14:11.43 | jelly | and Konsole started forgetting my session after reboot |
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| 14:12.04 | malibu | jelly: ok that's good to know |
| 14:13.00 | malibu | More important to me though is to be able to upgrade to a recent version and not have the repos get shut down on me as soon as support ends |
| 14:13.14 | malibu | I might even put up with gnome |
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| 14:13.34 | jelly | that will happen, debian moves the repos to archive.debian.org after support ends |
| 14:14.20 | malibu | But is there a path for upgrading at that point? There isn't really one in Ubuntu. They point you to a site with all kinds of steps |
| 14:14.30 | jelly | so you have to change the configuration if you need to stay on the old unsupported release. But they won't disappear. |
| 14:14.49 | jelly | malibu: there's always a path from release N to N+1. |
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| 14:15.27 | jelly | if you have an old Debian 4 somewhere right now, you can do all the steps to get it to Debian 9 with inplace release upgrades. |
| 14:15.47 | malibu | jelly: ok that is primarily what I am looking for |
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| 14:16.03 | jelly | which is a totally hypothetical example!!1 |
| 14:16.12 | malibu | Ubuntu 17.04 ended in January and I can't even get to 17.10 now |
| 14:16.43 | jelly | that is weird, since I'm pretty sure ubuntu has their own similar archive.u.c as well |
| 14:17.08 | jelly | no idea whether the upgrade process is documented, you'd have to ask #ubuntu |
| 14:17.33 | malibu | They pointed me to an upgrade document that didn't help for my situation |
| 14:17.43 | malibu | Which is why I'm here at debian now |
| 14:18.21 | malibu | If I have to reinstall anyway, I'd like to go with an easier distro |
| 14:18.33 | jelly | if you're comfortable with Ubuntu consider using their LTS releases instead |
| 14:18.56 | malibu | Well part of my problem is I thought all .04 was LTS but apparently they aren't |
| 14:19.41 | malibu | I want the newest debian with an easy path to the next newest debian |
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| 14:20.27 | jelly | well. "easy" means reading the release notes when the next release is out, with understanding |
| 14:20.44 | jelly | it's not a "sudo do-release-upgrade" |
| 14:20.51 | malibu | I was shocked to see 404s for apt in an OS I just installed new a few months ago |
| 14:22.01 | jelly | I still thionk your system is salvageably but I won't comment on quality of help in #ubuntu |
| 14:22.11 | jelly | can't type today |
| 14:22.27 | malibu | jelly: At one time in debian/ubuntu you could just run an apt command to update it and it would be done. I have done it several times. What happened? |
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| 14:23.02 | jelly | that was never true / alternately, that only works within one release |
| 14:23.09 | EnchanterTim | Debian Stable and Chromium browser, any html <select> dropdown does not render. I only ever see the first option, and no dropdown renders. |
| 14:23.18 | EnchanterTim | Anyone else confirm this bug? |
| 14:23.35 | EnchanterTim | This happens in chromium from debian stable, chrome stable,a nd chrome beta, and chrome unstable. |
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| 14:23.44 | EnchanterTim | Allt he chrome/chromium browsers do this in debian stable, but not in jessie. |
| 14:24.26 | malibu | jelly: So if I want to install an OS and be able to install packages for that OS for a year or two I cannot go with the newest, I have to go with an LTS? |
| 14:25.01 | malibu | I don't want to be doing fresh installs every year |
| 14:25.13 | jelly | malibu: totally depends on that OS and their policy |
| 14:25.19 | EnchanterTim | I was on jessie for 4 years, and just moved to 9.3 |
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| 14:25.26 | EnchanterTim | it is a hssle, but every few years you have to upgrade |
| 14:25.35 | EnchanterTim | nothing can be done about that. time moves on |
| 14:25.43 | malibu | Is jessie LTS? |
| 14:25.48 | malibu | Or does that make a difference |
| 14:25.51 | EnchanterTim | I dunno. Debian doesn't have that stuff I think |
| 14:26.02 | EnchanterTim | It's just stable/frozen for 2 years iirc |
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| 14:26.10 | jelly | at this time Debian has a time that does LTS support for many, but not all, packages |
| 14:26.11 | EnchanterTim | or until the next debian is ready |
| 14:26.15 | jelly | a TEAM |
| 14:26.20 | jelly | !lts |
| 14:26.20 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:26.42 | EnchanterTim | Any ideas about my chromim bug? |
| 14:26.49 | malibu | Ok but they don't shut down the repos and let you get 404s a month after support is over, which is apparently what ubuntu is doing |
| 14:27.20 | bites | EnchanterTim: pastebin your html |
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| 14:28.26 | jelly | malibu: you'll get 404 when that happens, until you switch to archives.debian.org |
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| 14:28.28 | jelly | manually |
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| 14:28.49 | malibu | jelly: ok that's fine. So maybe there is a way to do that in ubuntu as well |
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| 14:29.01 | jelly | I strongly suspect there is. |
| 14:29.55 | EnchanterTim | bites: not mine. Any page. Any site. Any html drop down, never rendes other then the only/top option. |
| 14:30.10 | EnchanterTim | I've got a clean profile, no addons, extentions or extra configs, alld efault. |
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| 14:30.32 | bites | works for me |
| 14:30.40 | EnchanterTim | :( |
| 14:30.51 | EnchanterTim | I'm very happy for your luck. |
| 14:30.55 | EnchanterTim | I'm not so lucky yet |
| 14:31.01 | EnchanterTim | No worky on my side. |
| 14:31.47 | EnchanterTim | I wish I could take a screenshot, but soon as you push another key or anythign, the dropdown goes away |
| 14:31.48 | bites | EnchanterTim: what does chromium --version return? |
| 14:32.02 | EnchanterTim | Chromium 64.0.3282.119 built on Debian 9.3, running on Debian 9.3 |
| 14:32.09 | jelly | EnchanterTim: which DE / wm? |
| 14:32.15 | EnchanterTim | Xmonad |
| 14:32.27 | EnchanterTim | Debian9.3, installed xorg, installed xmonad, and thats it. |
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| 14:32.34 | EnchanterTim | I like minimla, like my old jessie system. |
| 14:33.01 | jelly | you could create a new user to see if it'ssomething in your session setup |
| 14:33.15 | EnchanterTim | ok |
| 14:33.17 | EnchanterTim | wait |
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| 14:34.32 | EnchanterTim | I made a new user, and startd chromium under it, same thing. |
| 14:34.40 | EnchanterTim | html select dropdown on any webite wont' render |
| 14:34.42 | EnchanterTim | 02:30:10 PM < EnchanterTim> I've got a clean profile, no addons, extentions or extra configs, alld efault. |
| 14:34.47 | EnchanterTim | https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_select |
| 14:34.48 | jelly | ok, so it's not anything in your home |
| 14:34.52 | EnchanterTim | I test here and on other sties |
| 14:35.02 | EnchanterTim | noe. I already cleared my home in primary account |
| 14:35.10 | EnchanterTim | no profiles, nothing. just plain old chromium nothign loggedin |
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| 14:38.25 | EnchanterTim | I used scrot with 5 s delay and then took a shot |
| 14:39.08 | EnchanterTim | https://imgur.com/a/GElN9 |
| 14:39.15 | EnchanterTim | https://i.imgur.com/ofUakeg.jpg |
| 14:39.27 | EnchanterTim | This is how EVERY single html <select> on every single website renders |
| 14:39.48 | EnchanterTim | nothing displays, sometimes, you don't even see the white blank dropdown, sometimes it only just displays the first <select option> |
| 14:39.57 | EnchanterTim | but always, I never get a full html dropdown anywhere |
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| 14:40.15 | EnchanterTim | I just installed debian 9.3 and xorg and xmonad and chromium |
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| 14:40.17 | nix64bit | find . -name "*.pyc" -exec git rm {} \; |
| 14:40.31 | nix64bit | why does this fail in my git dir? |
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| 14:40.36 | EnchanterTim | nix64bit: add pyc to gitignore |
| 14:40.47 | nix64bit | i have |
| 14:40.47 | EnchanterTim | no need to delete bytecode. |
| 14:40.49 | EnchanterTim | ok |
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| 14:41.05 | nix64bit | it keeps geting added |
| 14:41.08 | EnchanterTim | unless you added them to git, y ou don't have to git rm |
| 14:41.09 | EnchanterTim | just rm |
| 14:41.22 | EnchanterTim | you have to add files to track in git. |
| 14:41.29 | EnchanterTim | if you don't add pyc, you don't have to worry. |
| 14:41.39 | EnchanterTim | modify your bild script to delete pyc if you want. |
| 14:42.11 | EnchanterTim | Check if in your build scripts you're using "git add ." |
| 14:42.15 | EnchanterTim | or someting similar. |
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| 14:43.48 | nix64bit | i am using atom git |
| 14:43.56 | EnchanterTim | no idea. |
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| 14:44.22 | EnchanterTim | I have never used gooey editors, so I can't comment. Perhaps it's their git implementation that's doing something. |
| 14:45.15 | nix64bit | i drop down to bash mostly |
| 14:45.27 | EnchanterTim | nix64bit> why does this fail in my git dir? |
| 14:45.34 | EnchanterTim | Just saw this sentence |
| 14:45.44 | EnchanterTim | I was hoping you could tell us why it fails. |
| 14:45.53 | EnchanterTim | And we can try to help figure it out |
| 14:46.22 | jelly | EnchanterTim: that looks like a widget issue, can you switch to a different gtk3 theme? |
| 14:46.24 | nix64bit | git commit -m "go away" |
| 14:46.32 | nix64bit | it seems yo have worked now |
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| 14:46.34 | EnchanterTim | jelly: don't have gtk installed. |
| 14:46.37 | EnchanterTim | afaik. |
| 14:46.46 | nix64bit | i i pushed the changes |
| 14:46.49 | EnchanterTim | chromium is using chromium defautl theme, not gtk (in chromium settings) |
| 14:46.52 | jelly | yes you do. Chrome is built against it on Linux. |
| 14:46.57 | EnchanterTim | I see. |
| 14:47.06 | EnchanterTim | What would you have me install particlualry: |
| 14:47.13 | EnchanterTim | I'm afraid I'm ont up to speed on gui thigns. |
| 14:47.25 | jelly | sadlu I have no idea which tool to use to do that |
| 14:47.34 | nix64bit | fatal: pathspec './rentware/rentware/REST_TEST/rest_test/rentvenv/lib/python3.5/site-packages/reportlab/__pycache__/rl_settings.cpython-35.pyc' did not match any files |
| 14:47.35 | EnchanterTim | Darn. Ok, anothe point of reference to check. |
| 14:47.42 | EnchanterTim | I'll look into changing gtk themes in chromium. |
| 14:47.44 | EnchanterTim | See if that helps. |
| 14:47.47 | teatime | nix64bit: can't git rm what isn't in git to begin with |
| 14:47.48 | EnchanterTim | I'll report back later. |
| 14:48.07 | jelly | and "apt-cache search gtk3 theme" isn't really helpful |
| 14:48.09 | nix64bit | teatime: i just worked that out thanks |
| 14:48.14 | nix64bit | ;) |
| 14:48.22 | EnchanterTim | jelly: well I was gonna do the whole gtk-theme-swtich or something |
| 14:48.29 | EnchanterTim | install a gtk theme package and configure it for use. |
| 14:48.32 | jelly | EnchanterTim: not in chromium, you change it for all gtk3 apps |
| 14:48.36 | EnchanterTim | there are gtk2/3 apps to set themes |
| 14:48.41 | EnchanterTim | *nod* |
| 14:48.50 | EnchanterTim | chromium has an option to use system's gtk theme or it's own |
| 14:49.01 | EnchanterTim | i have currently set chromium to not u se gtk, but only its own engine |
| 14:49.06 | EnchanterTim | if that helps. |
| 14:49.10 | jelly | right, so you can try the other one right now |
| 14:49.27 | jelly | and possibly quit and start it again |
| 14:49.39 | EnchanterTim | Ok. From theme "classic" I shall click use gtk+ and restart browser |
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| 14:49.52 | EnchanterTim | jelly: ix64bit> why does this fail in my git dir? |
| 14:49.54 | EnchanterTim | doh |
| 14:49.55 | nix64bit | thanks buy a dankie |
| 14:50.04 | EnchanterTim | wth, I just ... my screenshot cmd isn't working |
| 14:50.15 | EnchanterTim | xclip: no found, doh |
| 14:50.30 | EnchanterTim | https://i.imgur.com/eiuU3nw.jpg < here |
| 14:50.41 | EnchanterTim | and now, https://i.imgur.com/amKwR2s.jpg |
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| 14:50.43 | EnchanterTim | restarting |
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| 14:51.17 | EnchanterTim | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/select <- same result. I will now try to use a gtk theme |
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| 14:51.25 | Guest71486 | Hi, it says Package xserver-xorg-input-vmouse is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 14:51.27 | Guest71486 | what's going on |
| 14:52.00 | BanHammor | do you have an idea what package is requesting it? |
| 14:52.09 | BanHammor | (aptitude may help) |
| 14:52.10 | Guest71486 | I tried to install it |
| 14:52.22 | EnchanterTim | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1010423 Here are the gtk packages installed in my system as of right now |
| 14:52.23 | bites | ,v xserver-xorg-input-vmouse |
| 14:52.25 | judd | No package named 'xserver-xorg-input-vmouse' was found in amd64. |
| 14:52.33 | bites | ,v xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse |
| 14:52.34 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:12.9.0-1; jessie: 1:13.0.0-1+b3 |
| 14:52.36 | EnchanterTim | I have default gtk3 engines oxygen |
| 14:52.41 | bites | you typoed. ^^ |
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| 14:52.56 | Guest71486 | no, it still does that without the typo |
| 14:53.17 | bites | are you on stretch? that package does not exist past jessie. |
| 14:53.26 | Guest71486 | i'm on 9 |
| 14:53.41 | bites | it's not packaged for 9. |
| 14:53.53 | Guest71486 | hmm strange |
| 14:53.59 | bites | whatever you are trying to install is not built for 9 either. |
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| 14:54.07 | bites | if it depends on it. |
| 14:55.48 | BanHammor | Guest71486, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=831420 |
| 14:55.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/831420 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse -- RoQA; obsolete and conflicts with kernel»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-07-15; last modified: 2016-08-14. |
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| 15:04.15 | ws2k3 | i just upgraded a fileserver from wheezy to jessie and now i see 3 smbd processe at 100 % cpu all the time what can this be? |
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| 15:11.33 | jelly | ,v samba |
| 15:11.34 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u15; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; stretch: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; buster: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-1 |
| 15:12.19 | ws2k3 | jelly i run 4.2.14-Debian |
| 15:12.31 | jelly | ws2k3: if you went from samba 3 to 4, config probably needs to be updated and maybe redone from scratch |
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| 15:13.21 | ws2k3 | jelly can i find the config that jessie snmb install from somewhere? |
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| 15:13.39 | jelly | fuck if I know, did you try looking at the package contents |
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| 15:17.05 | tw | samba3 -> samba4 didn't need any changes for me. |
| 15:17.15 | tw | but my config is super basic. |
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| 15:17.54 | tw | If you're having problems with the server though, I'd try stripping it down to minimal, maybe disable print service. |
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| 15:18.23 | ws2k3 | tw i ran : apt-get install libcups2 samba samba-common cups and it shows me samba-common is already the newest version. samba-common set to manually installed. and then it went to install alot |
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| 15:26.32 | Kremator | guys, i have a debian8 box, i have had it connected to a local debian 8 mirror, but since that mirror hasnt received any updates in 2 weeks i switched to official mirrors (a.k.a i edites sources.list) |
| 15:27.00 | Kremator | but since internet here is slow af, even just apt update with internet repositories is unusable |
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| 15:27.31 | Kremator | so i switched back to local mirror, but now, when i tr to install libsdl2-dev i trows error of broken packages |
| 15:27.50 | Kremator | but i didnt even install a program in the internet repos, i just did an "apt update" |
| 15:27.57 | Kremator | what could be happening? |
| 15:28.04 | teatime | did you update again when you switched back, and it may be unrelated |
| 15:28.09 | teatime | also, |
| 15:28.11 | teatime | !bat |
| 15:28.11 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:28.18 | Kremator | yes, i update again once in the local mirror |
| 15:29.23 | Kremator | ok, gonna take those pastes, give me a minute |
| 15:29.27 | teatime | at least upload the output of the command you ran |
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| 15:31.32 | Kremator | first command, libsdl2-dev : http://paste.debian.net/1010432/ |
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| 15:32.27 | Kremator | second command, http://paste.debian.net/1010433/ |
| 15:33.22 | teatime | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.31 | teatime | welp, that's odd... doesn't mean much to me... |
| 15:33.50 | Kremator | third command, a holy whole, it ask me to practically reinstall 1/3 of my system : http://paste.debian.net/1010435/ |
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| 15:34.43 | Kremator | teatime, when i try to remov eand reinstall libxcursor1 to the latest version on this mirror (i hope its the last one asked for sdl2) |
| 15:35.11 | teatime | how about apt-cache policy libxcursor1 |
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| 15:36.03 | teatime | I kinda suspect your mirror is not in a sync'd state, or your mirrors of debian archive vs. security archive aren't in sync. |
| 15:36.06 | teatime | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.10 | Kremator | http://paste.debian.net/1010436/ |
| 15:36.35 | Kremator | teatime, no, my local mirror isnt in a sync'd state since 2 weeks ago, i said that |
| 15:36.45 | teatime | I mean in a consistent state |
| 15:37.05 | Kremator | this is hell, local mirror its shite, and internet is so slow i cannot use remote repo |
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| 15:38.15 | teatime | Kremator: is it possible your local mirror had the security repo installed and you didn't configure back to that? |
| 15:38.39 | teatime | your policy output says you have 1:1.1.14-1+deb8u1 installed but it isn't currently available from your mirror |
| 15:39.17 | teatime | and I beleive it came from the security/updates repo |
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| 15:40.37 | teatime | if you 'aptitude install libsdl2-dev', it will offer you multiple solutions, one may be appropriate (i.e., downgrade libxcursor1), but you will have to be careful and read what it is proposing to do |
| 15:40.39 | _Vi | "Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 11)" -> Is version debhelper of version "11~bpo9+1" really not enough for this? |
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| 15:45.14 | _Vi | Shall build dependencies be like `debhelper (>= 11)` or like `debhelper (>= 11~)`? |
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| 15:46.06 | ychaouche | "Broken amavis system user found." when installing amavis after cloning files from source machine. |
| 15:47.12 | Kremator | sorry guys, i wasnt paying attetion to irc, boss around here |
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| 15:47.42 | Kremator | ok, im gonna do an aptitude install the lib to check |
| 15:47.48 | jelly | ychaouche: that usually means you did not take care of numerical uid/gid when you had to |
| 15:48.11 | ychaouche | jelly: yes. I don't know what I am supposed to do about it. |
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| 15:48.27 | jelly | ychaouche: does it work now? |
| 15:48.40 | ychaouche | ahm, haven't tested it yet. |
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| 15:49.03 | ychaouche | it will take time to test it, I have to make the mail server up and running which doesn't sound trivial. |
| 15:49.20 | ychaouche | but about the numerical uid/gid ? |
| 15:49.42 | ychaouche | I have rsynced the files with --no-numeri-ids |
| 15:49.50 | jelly | why did you do that |
| 15:50.13 | ychaouche | to match src and target users by name instead of by id ? |
| 15:50.15 | ychaouche | I guess. |
| 15:50.36 | ychaouche | on target machine : |
| 15:50.43 | ychaouche | root@messagerie[192.168.100.19] ~/INIT # id amavis |
| 15:50.44 | ychaouche | uid=109(amavis) gid=116(amavis) groups=116(amavis) |
| 15:50.46 | ychaouche | root@messagerie[192.168.100.19] ~/INIT # |
| 15:51.04 | ychaouche | the src id is 109 |
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| 15:52.09 | jelly | ychaouche: the safest thing to do could be to copy the user and group entries from passwd/shadow/group/gshadow, for ALL the users whose files you're going to copy, and then copy WITH numeric uid/gid |
| 15:53.10 | ychaouche | I copied the whole /etc/shadow|passwr|group file instead, maybe that's what broke things ? |
| 15:53.14 | ychaouche | and the numeric-ids |
| 15:53.46 | jelly | copying the whole files is problematic, yes, because silly debian creates users even in a base system install |
| 15:54.09 | jelly | if you do that, you should do it before ANYTHING is installed |
| 15:54.22 | ychaouche | and the ids might be different, ok. |
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| 15:54.35 | ychaouche | well, anything by me or anything at all ? |
| 15:54.36 | jelly | ychaouche: also if you forgot gshadow things are going to be inconsistent |
| 15:54.45 | G__81 | Hi i would like to download Debian 8.x.x but i dont find the torrents anywhere |
| 15:54.46 | jelly | anything at all |
| 15:54.48 | G__81 | can someone help me out? |
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| 15:55.08 | ychaouche | so yeah, that's not at my level of expertise |
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| 15:55.48 | ychaouche | jelly: iI wasn't even aware of gshadow |
| 15:56.02 | ychaouche | thanks for the heads-up |
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| 15:56.30 | jelly | ychaouche: roughly: you'd install the base system. Then take note if there are any users with different uid/gid already. Then find their files and dirs and change them to old numeric uid/gid. Then copy {passwd,shadow,group,gshadow}. Then install packages and they'll skip creating users that already exist. |
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| 15:57.36 | jelly | this can also hit you if you're just migrating a whole machine to new hardware via rsync |
| 15:58.08 | jelly | if you're doing it from a debian rescue or livecd you really really want to use --numeric-ids |
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| 15:59.29 | jelly | G__81: just download desired .iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 15:59.32 | ychaouche | I've been through lots of permission issues, yes. I don't remember the exact steps I did last time, but I thought I could simply install packages (which will create the users, with different ids), then use --no-numeric-ids when rsyncing their files. |
| 16:00.03 | jelly | ychaouche: that falls apart if there are overlaps |
| 16:00.06 | ychaouche | but then I shouldn't have copied /etc/shadow and co |
| 16:00.12 | jelly | nod |
| 16:00.28 | G__81 | jelly, thanks a lot much appreciated |
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| 16:00.44 | ychaouche | ok talk to you next time, thanks a lot for your help and patience. |
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| 16:00.56 | jelly | ychaouche: it might be a working strategy if you're careful to only do one package at a time |
| 16:01.01 | jelly | oh well |
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| 16:11.55 | theguyfromthebus | I'm having a problem with ssh. I added an user with useradd -m user. |
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| 16:12.29 | theguyfromthebus | allowed the user in the sshd config. The user can join but for some reason he doesn't have home directory |
| 16:12.44 | theguyfromthebus | I can see that he has the home directory created |
| 16:13.57 | wigums | huh? |
| 16:14.01 | theguyfromthebus | so /home/user exists |
| 16:14.08 | wigums | no no no |
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| 16:14.49 | wigums | you create a user with useradd or adduser and generate an ssh key for said user... you dont need to do anything to ssh |
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| 16:15.20 | wigums | all system users would be able to use ssh |
| 16:15.56 | theguyfromthebus | I did make a password for him with passwd |
| 16:16.18 | wigums | youre doin it wrong son |
| 16:16.21 | theguyfromthebus | but generating key would be more safe |
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| 16:16.37 | BCMM | wigums: you can enable specific users only for ssh with the AllowUsers option in sshd_config |
| 16:17.04 | theguyfromthebus | yes, I allowed the user with AllowUsers in sshd_config |
| 16:17.23 | theguyfromthebus | he can login in but he didn't have home dir |
| 16:17.24 | wigums | right except he thinks hes creating a user by adding one to ssh... never having run addueser or useradd |
| 16:17.46 | wigums | BCMM, you just like to argue eh? |
| 16:17.50 | theguyfromthebus | I ran adduser |
| 16:18.00 | theguyfromthebus | "<theguyfromthebus> I'm having a problem with ssh. I added an user with useradd -m user." |
| 16:18.04 | BCMM | wigums: i don't know why you believe that, or really why you believe any of the things you say |
| 16:18.08 | wigums | oh im sorry. you did say that |
| 16:18.12 | wigums | my bad |
| 16:18.24 | wigums | i was wrong |
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| 16:19.26 | theguyfromthebus | I don't know why his home directory doesn't work |
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| 16:19.44 | BCMM | theguyfromthebus: what exactly do you mean by "doesn't work" here? |
| 16:19.48 | BCMM | the directory exists, right? |
| 16:19.54 | theguyfromthebus | yes, it does |
| 16:19.59 | theguyfromthebus | he just got the $ in ssh |
| 16:20.08 | theguyfromthebus | can run commands like top |
| 16:20.54 | BanHammor | does the /home/<bla> directory exist? |
| 16:21.00 | theguyfromthebus | yes, it does |
| 16:21.18 | BanHammor | wait, i'm sorry, i didn't read 5 messages up:P |
| 16:21.19 | BCMM | theguyfromthebus: so what *can't* the user do? |
| 16:21.36 | theguyfromthebus | can't see his dir |
| 16:21.43 | BanHammor | i presume they got /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash or have a weird $PS1 variable |
| 16:21.58 | wigums | did you run useradd or adduser? which one? |
| 16:22.01 | BanHammor | ls ~ doesn't work? |
| 16:22.05 | BCMM | theguyfromthebus: what do you mean by "see"? is it just the shell prompt that's the problem? |
| 16:22.17 | wigums | 1 will set up for you, the other you have to set everything up no? |
| 16:22.42 | theguyfromthebus | I ran the adduser |
| 16:22.46 | wigums | k |
| 16:23.07 | theguyfromthebus | BCMM he can see just the shell prompt |
| 16:23.36 | wigums | if he can see a prompt he must be "somewhere" |
| 16:23.37 | BanHammor | again, does ls -la ~ work? |
| 16:23.38 | BCMM | theguyfromthebus: i mean, is the problem literally that the prompt is "$ " instead of "user@host ~ $ "? |
| 16:24.00 | BCMM | theguyfromthebus: or have you tried and failed to create a file, for example? |
| 16:24.31 | theguyfromthebus | BCMM ls -la works |
| 16:24.50 | wigums | theguyfromthebus, what does PWD say? |
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| 16:25.20 | theguyfromthebus | BCMM can't make folders |
| 16:25.24 | jusss | I cann't find nologin in /bin/ , is that normal? |
| 16:25.26 | wigums | or rather pwd |
| 16:25.53 | BCMM | jusss: it's in /usr/sbin |
| 16:26.03 | jusss | BCMM: ok |
| 16:26.08 | theguyfromthebus | dir command doesn't give back anything |
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| 16:26.15 | wigums | pwd? |
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| 16:26.32 | theguyfromthebus | -sh: 9: PWD: not found |
| 16:26.49 | n4dir | jusss: whereis might be a useful command |
| 16:26.49 | BCMM | theguyfromthebus: ah! |
| 16:26.56 | wigums | there ya go |
| 16:27.10 | BCMM | theguyfromthebus: sorry to ask this again, but do you have any problem beyond the appearance of the shell prompt? |
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| 16:27.18 | BanHammor | it's pwd or $PWD, not PWD |
| 16:27.32 | BCMM | theguyfromthebus: because i see from your last command that you're running sh instead of bash as that user's shell |
| 16:27.33 | JordiGH | I'm getting a lot of GTK theme warnings in the console. How do I make them go away? |
| 16:27.59 | BCMM | theguyfromthebus: if you type "bash", does the terminal start behaving in the way you expect it to? |
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| 16:44.17 | wr | when a debian new version ISO is updated on repos will it bring a new kernel version? |
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| 16:46.27 | wigums | it can if you want |
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| 16:46.52 | somiaj | wr: depends on what you mean by new version, but he next point release will have a newer 4.9 version for the isos |
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| 16:51.29 | wr | somiaj, next release will have newer kernel? |
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| 16:53.33 | somiaj | wr: you are being vague. Of course the next release will have a newer kernel, but I was talking about a point release, they get newer kernels, too...but you haven't defined what newer kernel you want. 9.4 will ust have a newer 4.9.x kernel |
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| 16:54.06 | Walakea | Were any thoughts given to the idea of Debian OS with Redox kernel? Just hypothetically if it would be possible, or how hard it would be. |
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| 16:56.13 | wr | somiaj, i meant release points, like 9.4 will have newer kernel? |
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| 16:57.18 | somiaj | wr: did you not understand what I said? 9.4 will have a newer 4.9.x kernel |
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| 17:02.14 | n4dir | i would look for a new kernel in stable backports, but can't figure out right now if that actually makes any sense |
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| 17:46.56 | g0zzy | I've got a Thinkpad here and i've just cloned my root partition to another disk which is currently in the multi-drive bay (could be called something else). Quite weird things going on. I chroot into the cloned partition and when i install grub to the mbr of that disk, i get "Installing for i386-pc platform." Why? It should be amd64 |
| 17:47.56 | jelly | g0zzy: that i386-pc does not mean what you think it means |
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| 17:48.38 | g0zzy | OK, that's a relief |
| 17:48.50 | jelly | you have an x86 system, with DOS MBR partition table format? grub calls it that way. |
| 17:49.01 | g0zzy | OK. |
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| 17:50.10 | g0zzy | I think i next have to make sure i've got the right fstab in the clone. Actually i would have thought Clonezilla would fix that up, but maybe it hasn't |
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| 17:51.19 | g0zzy | How would i make sure that fstab has new UUIDs for the new disk? |
| 17:51.53 | jelly | you'd look at the uuids and then look at fstab and then compare? |
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| 17:52.08 | lupulo | hi |
| 17:52.13 | BCMM | g0zzy: blkid will tell you what the new uuids are |
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| 17:53.05 | BCMM | lupulo: hi |
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| 17:53.14 | g0zzy | BCMM: They're identical between the two disks. That's wrong. Either Clonezilla blundered or i did |
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| 17:53.45 | g0zzy | is maybe expecting too much from Clonezilla |
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| 17:55.26 | g0zzy | What can i do about the new fstab having the 'wrong' UUIDs? |
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| 17:56.32 | BCMM | g0zzy: well hang on... have the uuids on the actual partitions changed? |
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| 17:56.49 | jelly | ,v fonts-symbola |
| 17:56.50 | judd | Package: fonts-symbola on amd64 -- stretch: 2.59-1; buster: 2.60-1; sid: 2.60-1 |
| 17:56.52 | BCMM | i mean if the partitions haven't changed and fstab hasn't changed, sounds like fstab is correct |
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| 17:57.33 | g0zzy | The clone is wrong. They can't both have the same UUID can they? |
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| 17:58.08 | BCMM | (re: the i386 thing - during early boot, the cpu is not running in 64-bit mode anyway. in fact, on a bios machine, grub is more or less running on an emulated 80806) |
| 17:58.21 | g0zzy | Good point |
| 17:58.26 | lupulo | g0zzy, you could use LABEL, https://wiki.debian.org/fstab |
| 17:59.30 | lupulo | g0zzy, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44787/why-did-dd-create-a-different-uuid |
| 17:59.55 | BCMM | g0zzy: sorry, i have been erroneously talking about partition uuids when the uuids actually belong to the filesystems, not the partitions |
| 18:00.02 | BCMM | partition uuids exist in gpt but not in mbr |
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| 18:00.50 | g0zzy | Right |
| 18:00.58 | BCMM | g0zzy: you can use tune2fs to set new uuids on ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystems |
| 18:01.08 | BCMM | other filesystems will need other, fs-specific tools |
| 18:01.49 | g0zzy | OK, i like the idea of new uuids |
| 18:02.32 | BCMM | but labeling and mounting by labels is easier to keep track of imho |
| 18:02.45 | g0zzy | BCMM: I'm now in the chroot, so the drive is 'live'. Is using tune2fs still possible? |
| 18:03.06 | lupulo | g0zzy, LVM snapshots will result in duplicate UUIDs, however. https://wiki.debian.org/Part-UUID#Via_UUIDs . the same problem as you say. |
| 18:03.10 | jelly | g0zzy: yes, changing just the uuid or label on a live fs is fine |
| 18:03.14 | g0zzy | BCMM: You might win me round ;) |
| 18:03.44 | BCMM | g0zzy: yeah, you can do tune2fs on a mounted fs |
| 18:03.48 | g0zzy | will maybe do both |
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| 18:06.39 | g0zzy | Actually regenerating a new random uuid gave me "Please run e2fsck -f on the filesystem." |
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| 18:09.04 | g0zzy | Guys. fyi that thing about new uuid on a live fs appears to be wrong. Not only did i get the above message, but it hasn't changed |
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| 18:14.04 | octet | some characters show up as rectangles on my system. Do I need to install a locale for every language to view foreign symbols like chinese and korean characters? |
| 18:14.13 | jelly | g0zzy: on which fs type? |
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| 18:16.35 | g0zzy | ext4 |
| 18:16.42 | jelly | g0zzy: I guess you really need to fsck for it to be changed? Labels can definitely be changed on the fly. |
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| 18:17.18 | coyas | ola |
| 18:17.22 | g0zzy | Actually i did exit the chroot but blkid still reports the same UUID |
| 18:17.22 | coyas | hello |
| 18:17.34 | annadane | hi coyas |
| 18:17.41 | jelly | g0zzy: and did you umount and fsck -f as the command suggested? |
| 18:18.03 | coyas | who |
| 18:18.44 | g0zzy | Yes |
| 18:18.57 | g0zzy | I'm going to try an explicit UUID now |
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| 18:19.37 | jelly | uh. What did you try before, then? |
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| 18:20.09 | coyas | hi i'm not new in linux, usually i use fedora, but i return to my debian |
| 18:20.35 | coyas | debian is hard to install but it faster than fedora |
| 18:21.39 | g0zzy | -U random |
| 18:21.46 | g0zzy | -U time worked |
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| 18:22.58 | g0zzy | Got to say i'm a bit confused by fstab. Part of it has got to be auto-generated has it not? |
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| 18:23.53 | BCMM | octet: basically a font issue AFAIK |
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| 18:24.36 | octet | How can I alleviate it? I currently am using en_CA.utf8 |
| 18:24.39 | BCMM | octet: https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts lists some east asian fonts available through apt debian |
| 18:24.47 | BCMM | ^on |
| 18:24.53 | octet | but I'd like to be able to view every symbol |
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| 18:25.09 | BCMM | there are a *lot* of symbols in unicode |
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| 18:25.27 | BCMM | i'm not sure there is any font that includes every symbol |
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| 18:25.48 | theguyfromthebus | I'm trying to open the 28015 port but for some reason I can't. I put this in the iptables iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 28015 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:25.54 | octet | but windows shows the symbols for everything |
| 18:25.58 | theguyfromthebus | but checking the port is still closed |
| 18:26.05 | BCMM | octet: no it really does not |
| 18:26.10 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: how are you checking? |
| 18:26.30 | theguyfromthebus | jelly https://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ |
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| 18:26.42 | octet | for example, this symbol shows in my windows VM but appears as rectangles in linux à°à±à°à°¾ |
| 18:26.42 | g0zzy | OK - that's fstab changed. When i come back, i hope to do so from my new SSD ;) |
| 18:26.52 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: and this machine is on public internet with one of its interfaces? |
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| 18:27.05 | BCMM | octet: there are currently 1,114,112 symbols in unicode |
| 18:27.06 | theguyfromthebus | jelly yes |
| 18:27.13 | BCMM | octet: there is not a button you can press to get support for 100% of them |
| 18:27.26 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: are you sure that tool can deal with UDP? |
| 18:27.42 | octet | but why does it immediately show that symbol for me in windows? I dont get my I cannot do the same here |
| 18:27.46 | BCMM | octet: but if you want teluga, install a font that includes teluga support |
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| 18:28.09 | BCMM | octet: do you want a solution, or do you just want to vent about debian not including it out-of-the-box? |
| 18:28.14 | theguyfromthebus | jelly I think it should. What other way can I check if the port is open? |
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| 18:28.20 | octet | I do want a solution |
| 18:28.21 | BCMM | ^telugu |
| 18:28.34 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: use a client for your particular udp-based app |
| 18:28.37 | BCMM | octet: apt install ttf-telugu-fonts |
| 18:29.06 | theguyfromthebus | jelly ok |
| 18:29.07 | BCMM | octet: uh sorry, it's called fonts-telu these days |
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| 18:29.16 | octet | ok ill try it out thank you |
| 18:29.28 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: and then use strace to see if your app's process is getting the traffic |
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| 18:31.09 | GNU\colossus | so... where does Debian's "implicit"-default locale stem from, if /etc/default/locale is empty? when I do a survey over all our hosts (some dating back to sarge; having been dist-upgraded to wheezy), some come up with "POSIX"; some others with "C". what makes the difference? |
| 18:32.40 | jelly | GNU\colossus: I'm guessting version of distro (well, glibc). POSIX and C are the same thing |
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| 18:33.44 | jelly | haven't seen an explicit POSIX in "locale" output in a while |
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| 18:35.55 | GNU\colossus | hmm. but even hosts with the same release installed (and booted :)) sometimes show me "C", and sometimes "POSIX" |
| 18:36.16 | GNU\colossus | the difference was, I think, installation method. some were deboostrapped by xen-tools. |
| 18:36.17 | jelly | GNU\colossus: you could strace -f -eopen the command and see where it reads stuff from |
| 18:36.34 | GNU\colossus | some were debootstrapped by ganeti, and some were physical installs |
| 18:36.39 | GNU\colossus | jelly, I'll try that, yes |
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| 18:42.08 | GNU\colossus | interesting. I have a host that has its locale set to "C" in any interactive shell I spawn there |
| 18:42.30 | GNU\colossus | but when I do `/usr/bin/env -i /usr/bin/locale`, I also get POSIX there |
| 18:42.48 | GNU\colossus | and I do have LANG=C in the parent shell's env |
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| 18:42.55 | GNU\colossus | so it might be some bash startup file after all |
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| 18:44.27 | jelly | I suspect it's what's written in the C locale file definition as its name |
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| 18:45.35 | theguyfromthebus | jelly it isn't working |
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| 18:45.45 | theguyfromthebus | I tried with the client and can't connect |
| 18:46.03 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: do you see the server app getting the traffic? |
| 18:46.22 | jelly | is it running at all:? |
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| 18:46.51 | theguyfromthebus | can't find it in netstat but its running for sure |
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| 18:47.10 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: run netstat (or ss) as root |
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| 18:47.40 | EnchanterTim | How do you change a gtk3 theme in debian w/o having gnome installed? |
| 18:47.48 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: if you know its PID you can verify with lsof whether it's listening on UDP at all |
| 18:47.48 | EnchanterTim | I used gtk2-theme-switch for gtk2 themes |
| 18:47.54 | EnchanterTim | I want to know one for gtk3 |
| 18:48.29 | theguyfromthebus | jelly I can't see it with netstat |
| 18:48.55 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: and if you don't know its PID then you didn't strace it at all so you don't really know if it's receiving traffic or not :-) |
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| 18:49.28 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: are you running netstat as root, and are you using options to see udp and listeners? |
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| 18:49.43 | cuono | hi debian |
| 18:49.46 | cuono | how r u |
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| 18:49.58 | cuono | dedobrian |
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| 18:50.07 | theguyfromthebus | jelly netstat -tuplen shows that udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:28015 0.0.0.0:* 1001 25031 3050/./RustDedicate |
| 18:50.11 | cuono | hey man |
| 18:50.14 | jelly | cuono: hi! If you want to chat, /join #debian-offtopic |
| 18:50.25 | jelly | cuono: this channel is for tech support |
| 18:50.35 | cuono | my brain runs debian |
| 18:50.48 | theguyfromthebus | jelly I also opened the 28016 port but that's not here |
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| 18:51.11 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: good, so a listener is running. |
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| 18:51.46 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: now go "strace -f -p 25031", send some traffic, and see if the process reacts |
| 18:53.21 | jelly | if it does, then your service isn't doing what you want it do. If it doesn't, check whether the traffic is coming to this machine at all, by running a sniffer like "tcpdump -ni eth0 port 28015" and sending some more traffic |
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| 18:53.55 | jelly | if the traffic arrives, but the service doesn't see it, only THEN you have an iptables issue |
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| 18:54.29 | theguyfromthebus | [pid 3058] futex(0x7f218b0fee98, FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET_PRIVATE|FUTEX_CLOCK_REALTIME, 0, NULL, 0xffffffff <unfinished ...> |
| 18:54.49 | theguyfromthebus | I don't really know what does this mean |
| 18:55.13 | jelly | that tells you nothing, just a thread waiting... does more output happen when you send traffic? |
| 18:55.14 | lupulo | theguyfromthebus, https://askubuntu.com/questions/257263/how-to-display-network-traffic-in-the-terminal |
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| 18:55.46 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: if it does, then the service is probably receiving it (and it's a service issue not an iptables issue) |
| 18:56.05 | theguyfromthebus | Thank you |
| 18:56.05 | lupulo | theguyfromthebus, iptraf seems a good tool |
| 18:56.16 | jelly | theguyfromthebus: if strace doesn't budge, then it might be a networking or iptables issue |
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| 18:57.25 | theguyfromthebus | Thank you guys for the help |
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| 18:58.39 | jelly | (and if it looks like an iptables issue we'll ask you to show the whole ruleset, output of iptables-save in a pastebin like https://paste.debian.net) |
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| 18:59.14 | jelly | (but right now we don't know if it's the network or iptables or service) |
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| 18:59.57 | theguyfromthebus | I was able to connect this time. So its probably something with the client |
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| 19:01.25 | g0zzy | would just like to say thanks. Now back on with new SSD. Like having a new machine, of course |
| 19:01.41 | jelly | you can still figure that out by looking at network traffic at both endpoints, see if the client machine is sending any out, and if the server is receiving any |
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| 19:02.52 | jelly | just need to be systematic and use right tools to see what happens on process level, local firewall level, network level |
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| 19:38.29 | karlpinc | How do I clear a negative DNS cache entry? I tried restarting bind9 but the SOA ttl just keeps counting down. |
| 19:38.40 | becks` | I have zombie processes that cause my debian 9.3 to show a load of 20... any way to fix this without rebooting? |
| 19:38.47 | greycat | !zombie |
| 19:38.48 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 19:39.29 | greycat | I also have my doubts about your claim that the zombies are *causing* your load average. |
| 19:39.50 | rebekah | when you install things using apt-get install it will sometimes say "the following additional packages will be installed"... is there a way to see the analog to this with apt-get purge (or remove)? |
| 19:39.51 | greycat | They may be unrelated, or they may both be symptoms of your actual problem, whatever that may be. |
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| 19:40.27 | alkisg | rebekah: apt purge --auto-remove will also tell you which packages it will autoremove |
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| 19:41.00 | alkisg | Or, if you apt purge some smaller package that a larger package depends on, then the larger package will get removed because of the now missing dependency, and apt will show that |
| 19:41.14 | bites | -s for simulate also works. |
| 19:41.20 | becks` | greycat: why not? I have 20 servers, 3 of those have zombies, and only those 3 are showing a huge load... but there's no I/O wait or cpu |
| 19:41.24 | rebekah | alkisg: that that doesnt seem to give a list much different just apt-get purge |
| 19:41.49 | alkisg | rebekah: it depends on what you're purging, it can either be the same, or 100 packages more :) |
| 19:41.54 | greycat | If there's no actual CPU usage, I'd just ignore them until you can get the parent process fixed. |
| 19:42.16 | greycat | Parents shouldn't be leaving large numbers of zombies lying about for long periods of time. |
| 19:42.17 | rebekah | the issue is that say i have 100 packages i want to purge, then it says it will purge 120 (for example)... i really want to (easily) know what those 20 are |
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| 19:42.44 | rebekah | when you install something and it needs to install dependancies it seperates out that information |
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| 19:43.09 | karlpinc | becks`: Last time that happened to me it was a pile of ssh connections raising the load and never showing up in diagnostics. Just a thought. |
| 19:43.22 | alkisg | well, when you remove, there's no "dependencies for removal", just "no longer required packages". Test: apt purge --dry-run coreutils |
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| 19:44.04 | karlpinc | rebekah: I believe if you use aptitude it auto-removes un-needed dependencies but tells you first and you can say yes or no. |
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| 19:44.17 | becks` | thanks guys :) |
| 19:44.53 | rebekah | alkisg: i might be removing a package (like a library) which several packages depend upon its hard to see what was on my list and what apt decided had to be removed because im removing a dependancy |
| 19:45.18 | karlpinc | rebekah: I tend to use "aptitude why" for that. |
| 19:45.34 | karlpinc | rebekah: (or maybe whynot. I forget.) |
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| 19:46.41 | rebekah | ill look at aptitude why then |
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| 19:48.12 | alkisg | rebekah: apt install bigpackage says "packages bigpackage, smallpackage will be installed". apt purge smallpackage says "packages bigpackage, smallpackage will be removed". I don't see a difference.. |
| 19:48.23 | alkisg | (where bigpackage depends on smallpackage) |
| 19:49.08 | greycat | I think she's claiming that one of them says "A, and also B" and the other one just says "A B" with no visible separation between the two sets...? |
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| 19:50.09 | rebekah | hmm maybe its not different, i guess if i do "apt-get install gnome" then its going to list everything its going to install |
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| 19:51.50 | rebekah | i have a file purge.list... 107 lines and if i do apt-get purge $(cat purge.list) then it says it is going to delete 115 packages... which is fine execept i was just looking for a quick way to see what those 8 packages would be |
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| 19:52.20 | alkisg | Call it with dry-run, and then diff :D |
| 19:52.41 | rebekah | i think i will have to do something like that |
| 19:53.05 | rebekah | i guess i just thought install seperated them into "additional" and things you asked for... but im realizing it actually doesnt do that |
| 19:53.13 | rebekah | so i was thinking there would be an analog for purge |
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| 19:56.31 | ddp` | hello |
| 19:56.55 | ddp` | I have this message on boot : [ 8.426200] intel_soc_dts_thermal: request_threaded_irq ret -22 |
| 19:57.01 | ddp` | what's this? |
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| 19:58.40 | jelly | it looks like a random kernel message from a random driver |
| 19:59.01 | ddp` | yes ofc |
| 19:59.16 | jelly | google the whole thing without the timestamp and see if you're any smarter |
| 20:00.07 | jelly | https://www.google.com/search?q="intel_soc_dts_thermal%3A+request_threaded_irq+ret+-22" |
| 20:00.28 | jelly | if things work, just ignore it |
| 20:00.43 | jelly | ddp`: does something NOT work? |
| 20:00.47 | ddp` | i think it's a kernel bug |
| 20:00.53 | ddp` | no mate |
| 20:01.00 | ddp` | it's only a message |
| 20:01.07 | jelly | then there's no reason to think it's a bug |
| 20:01.34 | ddp` | maybe :) |
| 20:01.46 | jelly | it's something that a driver complained about, nothing more, nothing less. There could be many reasons. |
| 20:01.59 | ddp` | it could be |
| 20:03.45 | jelly | ddp`: eg. one of the results is kernel bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1198563 |
| 20:04.02 | ddp` | let me see |
| 20:04.04 | jelly | um, RH bugzilla |
| 20:05.12 | jelly | why do you think it's a bug? |
| 20:06.15 | ddp` | now i'm sure it's not a bug jelly |
| 20:08.05 | jelly | judging by the conversation with devs that user mentioned, it's a bug in a sense that kernel devs haven't silenced that message since 2015 |
| 20:08.20 | jelly | http://linux-kernel.2935.n7.nabble.com/intel-soc-dts-thermal-binding-issues-td1055592.html |
| 20:08.47 | ddp` | ok |
| 20:08.48 | jelly | > There is no INT3401 in the acpi dump. Also no one registered IRQ 86. So the request_irq failing. It is not a problem, this platform can't support. Do we want to silently bail out? > [...] yes |
| 20:08.59 | jelly | but they haven't. |
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| 20:49.19 | d3b14nL0v3r | Hello. I just upgraded to Stretch and it fails to boot. How should I fix it? |
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| 20:52.10 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: did the upgrade finihs successfully? Did you follow the procedure from stretch release notes? You can start debugging by removing the "quiet" option from kernel in the boot loader entry, booting that and seeing where it hangs. Take a screenshot if the screen's not black and upload somehwere like imgur.com or picpaste.com |
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| 20:57.50 | sphalerite_ | Hi folks. I'm periodically getting messages like [3492052.892035] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 on the journal. Now the I/O errors are pretty expected since I haven't actually got a floppy disk in the drive, but I don't know what it is that's trying to read the floppy and would prefer not to have this log noise. Any ideas? |
| 20:58.16 | greycat | Probably a grub update. |
| 20:58.37 | greycat | One of the things it does is probe EVERY device to see if there's a way to boot it. |
| 20:59.08 | HKitain | you can definitely unplug your floppy drive, it's not getting used any time soon :P |
| 20:59.14 | jhutchins_wk | sphalerite_: Have you disabled the floppy in the BIOS? |
| 20:59.15 | jelly | sphalerite_: what's that timestamp in human date and time? Ue dmesg -t |
| 20:59.36 | jelly | HKitain: it's hard to unplug the floppy controller. |
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| 20:59.41 | jhutchins_wk | sphalerite_: I believe the solution for VMs is to remove the floppy module from the kernel. |
| 20:59.58 | jelly | or just ignore the message |
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| 21:00.28 | jhutchins_wk | sphalerite_: I think if you plug the error message into Google you'll get answers. |
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| 21:01.08 | HKitain | jelly: i'm under the impression if you unplug your floppy cable no fd0 is created at all |
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| 21:01.45 | jelly | it's possible. I don't have a machine with a floppy to verify. |
| 21:02.00 | Kaliimane123 | Hi guys |
| 21:02.06 | sphalerite_ | oooooh just looked at the journal rather than the netconsole log and found that it always coincides with the puppet agent running. I'm guessing that's what's trying to read from it |
| 21:02.41 | EnchanterTim | jelly: I don't think that html select chromium bug has to do with gtk engine/styles. I've tried many diff ones. |
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| 21:03.35 | sphalerite_ | thanks for the pointers, folks. Who knows when I might need to put an actual floppy in the machine ;) |
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| 21:03.54 | snow__ | hi |
| 21:04.15 | snow__ | how do i copy files to my other mount? |
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| 21:04.41 | jhutchins_wk | snow__: cp <source> <dest> |
| 21:04.47 | deepfreez | snow__, or rsync |
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| 21:05.59 | EnchanterTim | come on man, I've not been able to use debian stable as a useful desktop |
| 21:06.09 | greycat | You need read permission on the source, and write permission on the dest. |
| 21:06.15 | snow__ | it says that the mount is read only |
| 21:06.20 | EnchanterTim | chromium wont' render html select dropdowns. |
| 21:06.21 | EnchanterTim | :( |
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| 21:06.58 | jelly | EnchanterTim: you got a public web page exhibiting the behaviour? I can't be arsed to scroll back up |
| 21:07.08 | EnchanterTim | what do you mean? |
| 21:07.12 | jelly | an URL |
| 21:07.14 | EnchanterTim | It doesn't matter which page I go to |
| 21:07.17 | jelly | exanmple |
| 21:07.18 | EnchanterTim | Any website, anywhere. |
| 21:07.26 | greycat | THen give us the one you're on right now. |
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| 21:07.29 | jelly | one. example. |
| 21:07.36 | EnchanterTim | any html <select> dropdown won't render. you saw the screenshot and you suggested it might be gtk engines |
| 21:07.56 | jelly | Yes. I have no idea where those are used. |
| 21:07.58 | EnchanterTim | I switched around and didn't find remedy, no gtk configs, no qt configs, no .config/chromium or ./config/google* |
| 21:07.59 | snow__ | how do i take ownership of a folder? |
| 21:08.05 | greycat | snow__: chown |
| 21:08.09 | jelly | EnchanterTim: can you provide an URL that shows it? |
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| 21:08.22 | EnchanterTim | How? |
| 21:08.27 | greycat | paste the URL into chat |
| 21:08.32 | EnchanterTim | Which url? |
| 21:08.36 | greycat | ... |
| 21:08.45 | jelly | EnchanterTim: some page with those html <select> dropdown things |
| 21:08.49 | EnchanterTim | jsut any random website w/ an html <select> ? |
| 21:08.54 | jelly | yes |
| 21:09.00 | EnchanterTim | Listerally, anyone random page on the web. |
| 21:09.00 | greycat | Whichever page you are on that is exhibiting the problem. |
| 21:09.06 | EnchanterTim | does debian,.org website have those dropdown |
| 21:09.07 | EnchanterTim | ? |
| 21:09.10 | EnchanterTim | try there. |
| 21:09.16 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:09.19 | EnchanterTim | every single page.! |
| 21:09.22 | EnchanterTim | every one. |
| 21:09.22 | jelly | EnchanterTim: I can't recognize those. Give me a page YOU know has them. |
| 21:09.25 | EnchanterTim | *sigh* |
| 21:09.29 | jelly | google.com ? |
| 21:09.32 | EnchanterTim | is this the twliight zone? |
| 21:09.36 | EnchanterTim | ok |
| 21:09.38 | EnchanterTim | ffs. |
| 21:09.48 | jelly | does google.com landing page have those? |
| 21:09.53 | EnchanterTim | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/select |
| 21:09.53 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: No, you have an edge case problem that nobody else has, we're trying to find an example we can test. |
| 21:10.22 | EnchanterTim | Then when I say "ANY" page in chromium that has html select won't render. you keep asking me for some specific url. |
| 21:10.27 | jhutchins_wk | Works fine in chrome. |
| 21:10.29 | EnchanterTim | Pick ANY url that has html select dropdowns. |
| 21:10.57 | EnchanterTim | https://i.imgur.com/amKwR2s.jpg <- here's a screenshot of how it rendes on my end. |
| 21:11.03 | jelly | EnchanterTim: the first example works for me, with amd64 google-chrome-stable on Debian 9 |
| 21:11.06 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: You can't possibly have tested a large enough sample of the web to know that every one fails. |
| 21:11.12 | EnchanterTim | damnit, wrong one |
| 21:11.52 | deepfreez | Hi, can anyone help me to know why my scripts not working? https://paste.debian.net/1010492/ ... I want automated to resize my vm... I use 3 scripts for that ... but resize of the partition not working... if I run the command manual all work fine. I want to add those at boot. |
| 21:11.59 | EnchanterTim | https://i.imgur.com/ofUakeg.jpg <- here it is |
| 21:12.08 | EnchanterTim | finally found it in logs, that's how it renders on my end. |
| 21:12.33 | EnchanterTim | jhutchins_wk: look man, I'm already frusrate with thre days o fthis problem, please dont' antagonize me. |
| 21:12.37 | jelly | amusingly, the screenshot tool thinks the select thing is its own window |
| 21:12.44 | EnchanterTim | Every single page I go to online, that has html select drodowns, rendres thusly. |
| 21:12.56 | EnchanterTim | So, no I've not tested the whole darn web, but every page so far.. |
| 21:12.58 | greycat | It probably is. |
| 21:13.00 | EnchanterTim | it's not working. please stop aggraving me. |
| 21:13.33 | jelly | EnchanterTim: so with that in mind, can you try using a different wm? |
| 21:13.39 | EnchanterTim | sure. |
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| 21:13.50 | EnchanterTim | I'm despeate. I'll try all suggestions. I've nothing to lose. |
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| 21:14.08 | EnchanterTim | which wm would you like me to try? |
| 21:14.09 | greycat | I would also look into extensions, or whatever they're called under Chromium. Anything that allows you to, for example, declare your own custom CSS that would universally apply to an HTML element. |
| 21:14.14 | EnchanterTim | no extentions |
| 21:14.15 | EnchanterTim | no profiles |
| 21:14.17 | snow__ | how do i change write premission on a folder only? |
| 21:14.21 | EnchanterTim | no configs, all default as it is in debian. |
| 21:14.29 | greycat | snow__: chmod and chown and chgrp |
| 21:14.31 | brw | s/folder/directory |
| 21:14.32 | brw | heh |
| 21:14.34 | EnchanterTim | install 9.3, install xorg, install chromium, install xmonad, and this. |
| 21:14.48 | snow__ | brw? |
| 21:14.49 | EnchanterTim | There is absolutley no config/custom/addon/extentions, anything |
| 21:14.50 | EnchanterTim | at all. |
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| 21:15.07 | brw | snow__: nevermind. It was a joke/discussion from yesterday |
| 21:15.10 | d3b14nL0v3r | Jelly: even tho I was a bit lazy to rtfm, I googled a little and fixed the warnings I got from apt-get update and so on (apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade) til the point the dist-upgrade complained of nothing. Perhaps it was a file that I answered "yes" when asked for substitution, where the default option was to keep the old one. I'm just guessing. How do I control the boot, is there a com |
| 21:15.10 | d3b14nL0v3r | bination of keys? Here is a screen shot as you asked: http://picpaste.novarata.net/pics/8067ff22787e0174eddd24a4f7d5e992.JPG |
| 21:15.23 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: Do they work in firefox? |
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| 21:16.48 | jelly | EnchanterTim: try a stupid wm like fvwm2 or wm2 or twm or whatever but xmonad |
| 21:17.01 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: Understand that this is not a common, well-known problem we have a quick answer for, we're trying to get enough info to figure out what's misconfigured on your system. |
| 21:17.07 | jelly | EnchanterTim: this was my "window under cursor" screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/XBxxs81.png |
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| 21:17.13 | EnchanterTim | https://i.imgur.com/UliOSFa.jpg this is how it renders in firefox-esr |
| 21:17.15 | snow__ | im trying to copy a file to my sda5 mount but it says read-only, how do i chnage it? |
| 21:17.31 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: A simple yes/no would work. |
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| 21:17.42 | EnchanterTim | Well, pic speaks a thousand wrods. |
| 21:17.48 | EnchanterTim | seemingly , 1k words are requried. |
| 21:17.55 | EnchanterTim | hangon jelly |
| 21:18.05 | EnchanterTim | gonna try icewm? |
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| 21:18.15 | jelly | that's chrome not chromium but... |
| 21:18.18 | EnchanterTim | i'll try fv too, np |
| 21:18.24 | EnchanterTim | what's chrome? |
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| 21:19.12 | jelly | Google's browser. |
| 21:19.19 | jhutchins_wk | Is he using chromium? |
| 21:19.24 | greycat | He did say chromium. |
| 21:19.27 | jelly | Tim is yes. |
| 21:19.31 | jhutchins_wk | Ah. I tested chrome. |
| 21:19.43 | EnchanterTim | funny thign, it does the same thing in google browswers too. I've tried google chrome stable, unstable, and beta in addition to the chromium debian browser. Same result. |
| 21:19.53 | EnchanterTim | All chromium browsers do the same thing. Firefox does not |
| 21:20.00 | jelly | chromium lags in security fixes. I'm not starting that until Debian catches up. |
| 21:20.00 | EnchanterTim | icewm is installed, gonna test it in there now. |
| 21:20.13 | EnchanterTim | Oh? |
| 21:20.20 | jelly | I mean right now, not usually |
| 21:20.22 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: google chrome on xfce renders correctly. |
| 21:20.29 | EnchanterTim | Yeah, that's so wild. |
| 21:20.36 | jelly | xfce has its own xfwm |
| 21:20.40 | jelly | 4 |
| 21:20.47 | EnchanterTim | I'm sure it can't be such a huge bug otherwise it wouldn't have moved to stable. |
| 21:20.49 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: ANother thing to test is try creating a new user and see if that user has the same problems. |
| 21:20.58 | EnchanterTim | Just happening tome, lol. The Universe hates me. |
| 21:21.06 | jelly | EnchanterTim: bet you $2 it's xmonad |
| 21:21.08 | EnchanterTim | jhutchins_wk: did that, same result. |
| 21:21.10 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: Yeah, and we'd definitely have heard about it before here. |
| 21:21.18 | EnchanterTim | jelly: let's find out. |
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| 21:21.27 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: So new user doesn't render. System level problem. |
| 21:21.31 | EnchanterTim | jelly: can I start icewm --repace or what do you recommend to start the new wm? |
| 21:21.38 | jelly | log in anew |
| 21:21.46 | EnchanterTim | jhutchins_wk: yessir, I abstracted away from user configs. |
| 21:21.51 | EnchanterTim | ok hang on |
| 21:22.01 | jelly | choosing icewm as session |
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| 21:22.17 | jelly | (assuming you have a *DM login screen. and not startx) |
| 21:22.19 | jhutchins_wk | goes back to using lynx... |
| 21:23.00 | greycat | I'm still leaning toward a browser extension over a WM misconfiguration. |
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| 21:23.17 | EnchanterTim | jelly: I did update-alternatives --config x-window-system ro something and set icewm as the default, and then I did startx and now it still starts xmonad. |
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| 21:23.28 | greycat | Maybe try running the browser in a clean "profile" or whatever those things are called. |
| 21:23.29 | EnchanterTim | I think that's because ... hmm. probably my .xresourcesrc |
| 21:23.30 | EnchanterTim | hang on |
| 21:23.33 | EnchanterTim | damnit. |
| 21:23.57 | jelly | we did try a fresh user a couple hours back. |
| 21:24.08 | greycat | ah, didn't know there was a history going that far back |
| 21:24.21 | jelly | One assumes a "fresh user" does not mean "oh I copied my .Xdefaults in there" |
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| 21:24.57 | jhutchins_wk | Have we run the browser in a terminal to see if it's throwing errors? |
| 21:25.06 | EnchanterTim | jelly: yes! |
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| 21:25.08 | EnchanterTim | omg! |
| 21:25.15 | jelly | right |
| 21:25.17 | EnchanterTim | What the ever living fuck. |
| 21:25.20 | EnchanterTim | Why xmonad did this? |
| 21:25.28 | EnchanterTim | I used it for years on jessie, no problems like this |
| 21:25.53 | EnchanterTim | html dropdown renders now. |
| 21:25.55 | jelly | I would NEVER even think of that if kde's screenshot did not think that tiny modal thing was its own window |
| 21:25.57 | EnchanterTim | \o/ |
| 21:26.14 | EnchanterTim | That's ... sharp,m an. good stuff. |
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| 21:26.32 | EnchanterTim | I just wonder why it is happening in xmonad now but nto in jessie's xmoand, could chrome have been upated to display thigns diff? |
| 21:26.37 | EnchanterTim | and it breaks working with xmonad? |
| 21:26.44 | EnchanterTim | may we look for a possible workaround/fix? |
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| 21:27.19 | jelly | probably something subtly different in X server or chromium having more features available and doing seomthing a bit different |
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| 21:27.27 | mindcrimes | hi |
| 21:27.41 | EnchanterTim | Man. Damn. I gotta have Xmonad. I can't use anythign else! :( |
| 21:27.48 | mindcrimes | is there a way to have ssh cert auth only for 1 user? |
| 21:28.06 | EnchanterTim | suyre |
| 21:28.11 | mindcrimes | how |
| 21:28.13 | EnchanterTim | you will still have to keep passwordlogins enabled. |
| 21:28.19 | EnchanterTim | so it beats the secure aspect in a sense. |
| 21:28.23 | EnchanterTim | why do you need to do this? |
| 21:28.37 | mindcrimes | jw lol |
| 21:28.42 | EnchanterTim | just setup a ssh-keygen -t rsa, ssh-copy-id to coyp it ot the server |
| 21:28.47 | EnchanterTim | keep password logins on. |
| 21:28.52 | EnchanterTim | then whoever has a key will not need a pass |
| 21:28.56 | EnchanterTim | who does nto have key will. |
| 21:28.57 | jelly | mindcrimes: stupid way: prevent all other users from adding to their $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys{,2} |
| 21:29.23 | jelly | mindcrimes: smarter way: use differential configuration in sshd_config for different groups |
| 21:29.25 | EnchanterTim | who does nto have key, will. |
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| 21:29.36 | EnchanterTim | Lack of comma totally changes the sentence. |
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| 21:30.36 | jelly | but immutable authorized_keys would be such a puzzle :-) |
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| 21:32.38 | EnchanterTim | looks like I need to bug the xmonad guys? |
| 21:32.53 | EnchanterTim | This is a really bizzare thing. People on debian stable should be able to use xmonad + chromium out the box! |
| 21:32.58 | EnchanterTim | come on linux, it's 2019 |
| 21:33.00 | EnchanterTim | 8 |
| 21:33.03 | EnchanterTim | Just work already! |
| 21:33.20 | d3b14nL0v3r | jelly: I found this webpage, but my boot goes straight from refind and doesn't show the grub menu. http://ask.xmodulo.com/boot-into-command-line-ubuntu-debian.html |
| 21:33.22 | jelly | the new "window" is possibly behind the browser |
| 21:33.42 | EnchanterTim | well, anytime a new 'window' is creaed, xmonad auto tils it, and I see it |
| 21:33.44 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: I have no idea how rEFInd boot process works, sorry |
| 21:33.48 | EnchanterTim | I can't miss any windows. |
| 21:33.55 | EnchanterTim | I see very darn window, it's a curse. |
| 21:34.00 | EnchanterTim | every* |
| 21:34.40 | EnchanterTim | And my default layout isn't fullscreen either. |
| 21:35.12 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: I would suggest you search the bugreport base, and check the xmonad bug tracking system as well. |
| 21:35.13 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: in general, you'd find some way to edit the kernel command line, make sure there's no "quiet" in there, boot and see where things stop. If you can't you can still see where things hang but there will be a lot less info |
| 21:35.25 | EnchanterTim | *nod* |
| 21:35.30 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: While this isn't a common problem in Debian, there may be someone else who's hit it. |
| 21:35.38 | EnchanterTim | I hope so. |
| 21:35.49 | jelly | EnchanterTim: so teach xmonad not to tile these particular windowses somehow |
| 21:35.52 | EnchanterTim | I would very much like to never give up debian, or xmonad, or ... well. I'm browswer agnostic. |
| 21:35.58 | jhutchins_wk | EnchanterTim: xmonad isn't heavily modified by Debian afik, so it's likely to be upstream in either xmonad or chrome. |
| 21:36.01 | EnchanterTim | I just can't give up deb/xmonad |
| 21:36.16 | EnchanterTim | jelly: why? |
| 21:36.26 | EnchanterTim | jelly: perhaps we didn't understand each other. |
| 21:36.36 | jelly | because you want to see the <select>s? |
| 21:36.39 | EnchanterTim | jelly: the current xmonad config, no windows go into background. I see them all. |
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| 21:37.05 | EnchanterTim | every single window created in xmonad gets tiled. I see it. So I can't miss any windows or have them automatically hid eint he back behind other windows |
| 21:37.18 | jelly | EnchanterTim: except it apparently does something with windows that chromium opens to show those <select> options |
| 21:37.29 | EnchanterTim | so if a window was created which was 'behind' the main browser window, xmonad would tile and I would see it |
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| 21:37.56 | EnchanterTim | But perhaps my understanding of what a 'window' is ... |
| 21:38.04 | EnchanterTim | I need to look more into xmonad. |
| 21:38.14 | EnchanterTim | What other tiling wm do you guys like to use? |
| 21:38.35 | jelly | EnchanterTim: well, this is a separate window: https://i.imgur.com/XBxxs81.png |
| 21:38.58 | jelly | and your wm does something to it. |
| 21:39.02 | EnchanterTim | Doesn't seem to be something counted in xmonad as a 'window'. |
| 21:39.12 | EnchanterTim | if it was, it would get auto tiled. |
| 21:39.14 | jelly | your wm does something to it. |
| 21:39.20 | EnchanterTim | just dunno what! |
| 21:39.23 | jelly | right |
| 21:39.25 | EnchanterTim | The plot thickens! |
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| 21:41.50 | EnchanterTim | Yeah, icewm is a disaster, I have to use a mouse! it doens't manage windows, it makes ME a window manager. |
| 21:42.07 | EnchanterTim | I don't want to manage windows. I really don't. |
| 21:42.15 | EnchanterTim | I hate dragging, sizing, placing, etc. etc. |
| 21:42.27 | EnchanterTim | Why, lord, why! \o/ |
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| 21:43.06 | EnchanterTim | Got links prepared, gonna type up the scenario in text editor or #xmonad people. |
| 21:43.09 | jelly | there's a number of tiling wms. Might be interesting to try downgrading just xmonad to the version from jessie |
| 21:43.22 | EnchanterTim | ok, hang on |
| 21:43.30 | EnchanterTim | let me add a jessie source and do -t install |
| 21:44.06 | EnchanterTim | omg i hate mouse. I hate it. I just.. ugh. |
| 21:44.11 | jelly | don't think that would fix things, the issue is probably triggered by something else |
| 21:44.12 | EnchanterTim | *sigh* I need a minute, guys.' |
| 21:44.14 | tugrik | I use Xmonad myself ( but on arch, not debian ), I hear good things about Awesome |
| 21:44.15 | Tehrabbitt | Curious, is there any *easy* way to clone an Apache2 install from one server to another? |
| 21:44.15 | EnchanterTim | I'm a little irked. |
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| 21:44.20 | Tehrabbitt | as in the modules / configs? |
| 21:44.30 | jelly | I don't like mice, but a trackpoint is fine |
| 21:44.38 | greycat | Tehrabbitt: should be mostly in /etc/apache2/ |
| 21:44.43 | jelly | don't have to move off the keyboard |
| 21:44.44 | EnchanterTim | Tehrabbitt: I keep my configs in git |
| 21:44.50 | Tehrabbitt | I realize I can just SCP over the sites-available, and then enable the ones I want, but what about the modules? is there an easy way to just export all available modules / reimport them on the other system? |
| 21:44.52 | EnchanterTim | Tehrabbitt: I spin a new server, just pull from git i |
| 21:44.58 | greycat | Tehrabbitt: assuming you've already duplicated the set of installed packages |
| 21:45.04 | EnchanterTim | Tehrabbitt: I add selected files in /etc/ where I start a git repo. |
| 21:45.09 | Tehrabbitt | greycat: yeah, but what about the symlinks in sites-enabled? |
| 21:45.14 | EnchanterTim | It's not safe to add security critical stuff |
| 21:45.19 | Tehrabbitt | greycat: i'm using apt-clone |
| 21:45.23 | d3b14nL0v3r | jelly: now I learned to edit the kernel options in refind, but it doesn't show any "silent". |
| 21:45.28 | greycat | those are part of /etc/apache2/ and if you copied that, then your copy would include those symlinks |
| 21:45.31 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: quiet |
| 21:45.35 | Tehrabbitt | hmmmmm okay |
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| 21:45.41 | EnchanterTim | but I always start a new git repo in /etc/ and I always add nginx/apache/other configs I can't live w/o. Then on new system install, I just go and pull from git. |
| 21:45.43 | d3b14nL0v3r | Or quiet. |
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| 21:46.03 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: then you don't have to disable it, yay. So just show how the boot process hangs. |
| 21:46.07 | EnchanterTim | I should be using config management systems |
| 21:46.11 | EnchanterTim | puppet or ansible playbooks. |
| 21:46.20 | EnchanterTim | Or with debian, preseed an install. |
| 21:46.23 | Tehrabbitt | greycat: hm... good point... so just scp the entire /etc/apache2/ directory over? |
| 21:46.32 | greycat | rsync would be my choice |
| 21:46.39 | jelly | Tehrabbitt: if it's the same debian release, sure |
| 21:46.54 | jelly | scp fails with symlinks |
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| 21:47.10 | jelly | scp fails with shell escaping |
| 21:47.13 | Tehrabbitt | jelly: yes, debian 9 in both places. source is in-house VMWare server, run an apt-clone and then apt-clone restore on the destination. |
| 21:47.14 | jelly | avoid scp. |
| 21:47.25 | Tehrabbitt | the destination is an official AWS AMI |
| 21:47.28 | Tehrabbitt | Debian 9 |
| 21:47.31 | d3b14nL0v3r | I sent you a pic. Here it is: http://picpaste.novarata.net/pics/8067ff22787e0174eddd24a4f7d5e992.JPG |
| 21:47.46 | Tehrabbitt | jelly: so rsync would be the better option to maintain symlinks? |
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| 21:48.55 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: corrupted pagetable? that kernel is either very buggy on your hardware, or your hardware is having issues |
| 21:49.12 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: is there a different kernel to choose |
| 21:50.05 | d3b14nL0v3r | jelly: Yes, there is. I'll try it. |
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| 21:50.31 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: also, the kernel in the screenshot is 3.16.0-5-amd64 from jessie |
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| 21:51.22 | d3b14nL0v3r | ...so the upgrade did not upgrade the kernel! :-( |
| 21:51.44 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: or you're not booting the right one, or the upgrade process isn't complete |
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| 21:51.58 | greycat | A dist-upgrade doesn't *remove* the old kernel, so you can still choose to boot the old one. |
| 21:52.33 | EnchanterTim | Installed xmonad from jessie, same thing in chrome/chromium. I thought, perhaps I should get chromium from jessie too. I tired it, same thing. Same result in rendering select list. |
| 21:52.38 | EnchanterTim | *sigh* |
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| 21:59.25 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: did you also do a firmware update recently? Maybe you got intel's cpu microcode updates that make things unstable and crashy. |
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| 22:01.23 | apollo13 | isn't most of the microcode stuff reverted by now anyways? |
| 22:01.24 | jelly | "dist-upgrade" is so overloaded a term, I use "release upgrade" for that process because apt-get. |
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| 22:02.18 | jelly | apollo13: if someone applied it to their BIOS they'd have to apply an older version manually |
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| 22:02.40 | apollo13 | Ah, I was refering to the intel-microcode packages |
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| 22:02.59 | jelly | those never arrived in stretch AFAIUI |
| 22:03.00 | apollo13 | fwiw my BIOS doesn't allow downgrades XD |
| 22:03.19 | apollo13 | which seems to be the case for many BIOS variants with those fixes applied |
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| 22:04.27 | jelly | ,v intel-microcode |
| 22:04.28 | judd | Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: |
| 22:04.29 | judd | 3.20180108.1+really20171117.1; sid/non-free: 3.20180108.1+really20171117.1 |
| 22:05.22 | jelly | right, so that ~really downgrade is only (needed and) present in testing and unstable |
| 22:05.40 | jelly | +really |
| 22:05.46 | d3b14nL0v3r | No, I never made a firmware upgrade. |
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| 22:06.11 | jelly | then you seem to have an actual bug on your hands |
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| 22:06.42 | d3b14nL0v3r | I'm trying the new kernel and it sticks here: http://picpaste.novarata.net/pics/edd1475f7ff96a90da25baeeab2044bc.JPG |
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| 22:07.40 | jelly | d3b14nL0v3r: does pressing enter a couple times scroll the screen a bit? |
| 22:07.59 | d3b14nL0v3r | Nothing. |
| 22:08.13 | jelly | is that a 4.9 kernel? |
| 22:08.29 | d3b14nL0v3r | Let me see. |
| 22:08.31 | jelly | without quiet? :-) |
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| 22:09.34 | annadane | shh |
| 22:10.26 | d3b14nL0v3r | jelly: it's a 4.9.0-5-amd64 withot "quiet". |
| 22:11.36 | d3b14nL0v3r | Now I can boot in single user mode and that gives me a root terminal, if it helps. |
| 22:12.04 | greycat | Yay! |
| 22:12.21 | d3b14nL0v3r | But I don't have a clue of which command could be helpful. |
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| 22:14.54 | theguyfromthebus | netstat -atunp | grep Rust |
| 22:15.14 | theguyfromthebus | tcp 0 0 192.99.56.111:40890 104.23.140.18:443 ESTABLISHED 1703/./RustDedicate |
| 22:15.49 | theguyfromthebus | My problem is that the ip address is right "192.99.56.111" however the port is not. It should be 28016 |
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| 22:16.02 | theguyfromthebus | and I don't know what's the second ip address |
| 22:16.14 | greycat | one is you, one is the other side |
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| 22:16.30 | Tom-__ | and :443 is HTTP SSL |
| 22:17.18 | theguyfromthebus | I can't rcon to this ip address. I'm using the same config on a different VPS and it works there |
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| 22:18.49 | theguyfromthebus | This is on the other VPS with the same distro |
| 22:18.51 | theguyfromthebus | tcp 0 0 165.227.187.143:28016 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 8303/./RustDedicate |
| 22:18.56 | greycat | If 192.99.56.111 is you, then your RustDedicate* program is (probably) making an outgoing HTTPS connection. |
| 22:18.58 | GNU\colossus | 40890 is not a passive/listening socket. it's a socket bound to an ephemeral port. |
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| 22:19.39 | GNU\colossus | you want `ss -nlpt | grep RustDedicate` to find out where a listener of that process is waiting for inbound connection attempts |
| 22:19.42 | greycat | If 104.23.140.18 is you, then your RustDedicate* program is probably acting as an HTTPS web server and someone is connecting TO you. |
| 22:20.09 | GNU\colossus | that's probably some kind of multiplayer game server |
| 22:20.22 | theguyfromthebus | yes, it's a multiplayer server |
| 22:20.24 | GNU\colossus | (guessed from application name and port number) |
| 22:20.39 | theguyfromthebus | on the second VPS it works as it should |
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| 22:20.57 | theguyfromthebus | the first one doesn't want to liston on the 28016 port for some reason |
| 22:21.10 | greycat | What error message does it give when you try? |
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| 22:21.13 | GNU\colossus | the application can tell you why it's failing |
| 22:21.16 | elios | test |
| 22:21.25 | theguyfromthebus | nothing it says can't connect |
| 22:21.34 | greycat | !exact |
| 22:21.34 | dpkg | Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like http://paste.debian.net/ to show long output and, where possible, have the output in English (see <localised errors>). |
| 22:21.58 | greycat | "can't connect" is not a string I would expect on a failure to bind to a LISTENING socket |
| 22:22.13 | theguyfromthebus | I'm using a web based rcon to connect to the server |
| 22:22.29 | greycat | whatever that means... |
| 22:23.05 | theguyfromthebus | http://rcon.io I have to use the ip the port and password |
| 22:23.44 | greycat | if it's some kind of reverse tunnel, then why would you think your end would be bound to a specific port, and why would you care? |
| 22:24.08 | greycat | Or find a support channel that understands this "rcon" thing. |
| 22:25.54 | Tehrabbitt | hmmm so yeah, I can't get it to work... |
| 22:25.54 | Tehrabbitt | rsync --delete -auvvvvvze 'ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i ${KEYFILE}' --progress /etc/apache2 ${RUSER}@${HOST}:/tmp/. |
| 22:26.06 | Tehrabbitt | where keyfile, ruser, and host, are variables I pass in |
| 22:26.16 | Tehrabbitt | which seem to be what's breaking. |
| 22:26.24 | Tehrabbitt | I'm sure i'm not escaping it properly or such :\ |
| 22:26.25 | greycat | you probably want double quotes instead of single quotes, so $KEYFILE can be expanded |
| 22:26.30 | Tehrabbitt | ahhhh |
| 22:26.36 | Tehrabbitt | it's been a long day -_- |
| 22:28.21 | Tehrabbitt | greycat: so if I wanted to actually copy it to /etc/apache2 on the destination server using the above command... but it required me to do it via sudo (since i'm not using root)... how would I add a sudo into that |
| 22:28.27 | Tehrabbitt | before the ssh? |
| 22:28.46 | Tehrabbitt | rsync --delete -auvvvvvze "sudo ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i ${KEYFILE}" --progress /etc/apache2 ${RUSER}@${HOST}:/tmp/. |
| 22:28.58 | greycat | You definitely need to be root on the target, so you can write. You may be able to get away with non-root on the source, if the directories and files are world-readable. |
| 22:28.58 | deepfreez | Hi, I want to run a script after the OS is loaded... http://paste.debian.net/1010506/ I use systemd ... ( systemctl daemon-reload , systemctl enable firstboot.service , systemctl start firstboot.service ) And I reboot the linux and nothing happend |
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| 22:30.39 | Tehrabbitt | greycat: root user is disabled on the destination for security... everything else i've been doing via sudo. |
| 22:30.55 | greycat | "root" can be sudo or su or whatever, doesn't matter |
| 22:30.55 | Tehrabbitt | bigger concern, is how do I tell rsync to *replace* the entire directory there? |
| 22:31.03 | Tehrabbitt | or do I need to remove it first, and then rsync it? |
| 22:31.10 | greycat | rsync will overwrite by default |
| 22:31.25 | Tehrabbitt | greycat: but won't delete files that aren't in the source? |
| 22:31.33 | greycat | if you also need it to delete pre-existing files that are not part of the source, then see "man rsync" and look at the dozen different --delete* options. |
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| 22:31.51 | Tehrabbitt | aka if source has A, C, D, E and Dest has B, D, E I want the Destination to only contain A, C, D, E and remove B |
| 22:31.59 | greycat | or you could do it the easy way and rm the destination first |
| 22:32.07 | Tehrabbitt | that's what i'm thinking heh |
| 22:32.15 | Tehrabbitt | less likely to have messed up stuff |
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| 22:33.58 | Tehrabbitt | greycat: yeah, not working even with adding sudo :( |
| 22:33.59 | Tehrabbitt | ugh |
| 22:34.20 | Tehrabbitt | one option is to copy to /tmp and then on the dest have it mv to the /etc from /tmp |
| 22:34.26 | greycat | "sudo -i" to get a shell as root, then just do it |
| 22:34.32 | Tehrabbitt | hm |
| 22:35.32 | Tehrabbitt | greycat: nope :( rsync: mkdir "/etc/apache2" failed: Permission denied (13) |
| 22:35.56 | Tehrabbitt | rsync --delete -auvvvze "sudo -i ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i ${KEYFILE}" --progress /etc/apache2 ${RUSER}@${HOST}:/etc/apache2 |
| 22:36.15 | greycat | Be root on the destination. So you can create /etc/apache2/ and so on. |
| 22:36.58 | greycat | If dest cannot connect directly to src, make an intermediate copy somewhere that dest CAN connect to. |
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| 22:37.05 | Tehrabbitt | hmmm |
| 22:37.11 | Tehrabbitt | so /tmp basically |
| 22:37.24 | Tehrabbitt | and then just do a mv? |
| 22:37.28 | greycat | If that's what it takes. This is a one-time thing so it doesn't matter how efficient it is. |
| 22:37.50 | Tehrabbitt | greycat: well... technically i'm trying to automate this so that I can do this once per month. |
| 22:37.55 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 22:37.56 | greycat | I"m out |
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| 22:41.37 | karlpinc | Tehrabbitt: My preference is to use a key pair to authenticate rsync's ssh connection. Then on the remote end you use "command="rsync --server --daemon ."" in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys, which runs the remote end of rsync. And you set /etc/ssh/sshd_config so that root can login, but only when a password is _not_ used. |
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| 22:42.50 | karlpinc | Tehrabbitt: But I'm not really paying attention to your circumstances so take it for what it's worth. |
| 22:43.50 | Tehrabbitt | karlpinc: yeah, I thought of doing that, but our policy is to just not enable the root user under *any* circumstance. especially anything externally facing... basically what i'm doing is I have a template on AWS along with a script that auto-deploys an EC2 image from that AMI. the key is known, so Using Jenkins, i'm running a script local on the "in-house" server, which then generates an apt-clone output (scp'd over to the serve |
| 22:44.00 | Tehrabbitt | then i'm trying to copy the contents of /etc/apache over to the destination server as well. |
| 22:44.41 | Tehrabbitt | then ocne it's over there, simple script runs to apt-clone restore that bundle... and then reboot the destination server after... |
| 22:45.31 | Tehrabbitt | problem is, I have a restricted user on the destination box with a single .pem file for it. that user has sudo rights, but I can't rsync directly to /etc/apache2 |
| 22:46.15 | Tehrabbitt | so I was thinking of rsyncing to /tmp/apache2 and then using "mv" to move it over to /etc/ from /tmp/ |
| 22:46.21 | Tehrabbitt | but i'm not sure if that'll actually work |
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| 23:14.14 | ebrasca | After changing my mac addres of my debian VM and now it can't connect to internet. |
| 23:15.20 | format_c | ebrasca, wait 5 minutes |
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| 23:20.18 | ebrasca | format_c: ??? |
| 23:22.08 | format_c | ARP cache of your router need to time out |
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| 23:22.37 | ebrasca | format_c: I have restart my router ... |
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| 23:23.12 | format_c | what about the VM? also restarted? |
| 23:23.50 | ebrasca | yes |
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| 23:25.39 | format_c | OK so what's netstat -ei; netstat -rn; arp -n from the VM? |
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| 23:37.08 | ebrasca | format_c: command not found: netstat |
| 23:38.54 | format_c | net-tools are not installed by default... |
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| 23:40.07 | format_c | ip a; ip r; ip n are the equiviants |
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| 23:43.15 | ebrasca | format_c: ip route is empy |
| 23:43.42 | ebrasca | and ip neigh is empy |
| 23:44.33 | magyar | hi, I have a stretch host and a buster VM (libvirt) if I use the copy paste the guest freezes up for a few minutes and the copy paste over virt-manager never happens. Why would this happen? |
| 23:44.42 | ebrasca | ip addr give lo and ens3 give long output |
| 23:45.54 | format_c | what says ip addr? What's the content of /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:46.05 | format_c | I can't tell why the freeze happens |
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| 23:49.17 | ebrasca | format_c: Here ip a, ip r and ip n https://ibb.co/iihcFn |
| 23:50.12 | format_c | OK well your Ethernet adapter just has no IP address assigned. |
| 23:50.27 | format_c | again how it's configured: cat /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:50.45 | ebrasca | whait |
| 23:50.47 | ebrasca | I am on it |
| 23:50.54 | ebrasca | here https://ibb.co/dR4Pvn |
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| 23:53.31 | ebrasca | format_c: ^ |
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| 23:55.18 | ebrasca | ip addr is like ip link but with more data. |
| 23:57.42 | format_c | how have you choosen the MAC address any why? |
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| 23:59.50 | format_c | can try setting a MAC address with the first byte set to 0? |
