| 00:00.28 | ebrasca | format_c: 02:... ? |
| 00:00.40 | format_c | no 00:.... |
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| 00:05.43 | ebrasca | format_c: Noting |
| 00:07.02 | ebrasca | wrong byte modifiend in script |
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| 00:10.42 | ebrasca | format_c: I can't connect it. |
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| 00:15.39 | LtL | ebrasca: you could use the 'macchanger' package, iirc it has some options you may find that works. |
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| 00:19.57 | ebrasca | I don't hace macchanger in my VM. |
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| 00:47.36 | ebrasca | LtL: I don't hace macchanger in my VM |
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| 00:58.55 | lrvick | Anyone have ideas on a clean way to install linux headers for not the -current- kernel but for the one I just updated to, to avoid a reboot before installing? |
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| 01:07.23 | rjsalts | lrvick: huh? apt install linux-headers-... |
| 01:07.40 | lrvick | rjsalts: right that works if I know the kernel version |
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| 01:08.16 | lrvick | but I want to be able to "apt-get install -t stretch-backports linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" |
| 01:08.19 | rjsalts | lrvick: didn't you just install a linux-image-... |
| 01:08.22 | lrvick | but this does not work as expected |
| 01:08.29 | lrvick | the headers and image don't match |
| 01:08.46 | lrvick | I want to install the latest matching set of linux-image/linux-headers together |
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| 01:10.46 | rjsalts | lrvick: if you do the apt-get -t you suggested you'll get the matching kernel/headers |
| 01:10.55 | lrvick | currently the latest linux-image is 4.14+89~bpo9+1 but the latest linux-headers-amd64 is 4.14+89. installing those generic packages togather they don't match |
| 01:11.30 | lrvick | they do not match in stretch-backports at this particular time, so I need a more reliable way |
| 01:12.25 | rjsalts | lrvick: they do according to apt-cache on my machine, mirror out of date? tried apt update? |
| 01:13.27 | rjsalts | https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/linux-image-amd64 https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/linux-headers-amd64 show same version too |
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| 01:13.47 | lrvick | just did "apt-get update && apt-cache policy -t stretch-backports linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" |
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| 01:14.00 | lrvick | and Candidate does not match |
| 01:14.32 | lrvick | hmm |
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| 01:16.21 | rjsalts | I can only suggest that the mirror you're using is in a inconsistent state |
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| 01:25.14 | rjsalts | JackK: what does /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/use_tempaddr say? |
| 01:25.58 | JackK | 0 |
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| 01:27.14 | rjsalts | and addr_gen_mode? |
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| 01:29.45 | JackK | I did some reading and added addr-gen-mode=eui64 to NetworkManager. I'm looking but I don't see addr-gen-mode in /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/wlxa0ab1b33de40 |
| 01:30.15 | rjsalts | yeah, it's not in kernel docs either |
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| 01:30.24 | rjsalts | but it's in proc for me |
| 01:30.27 | rjsalts | weird |
| 01:30.35 | JackK | hrm. |
| 01:31.06 | rjsalts | but if you have use_tempaddr in /proc/... set to 0 it should use the euid-64 addresses, what're you seeing instead? |
| 01:31.20 | rjsalts | in ip addr, etc |
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| 01:32.19 | JackK | inet6 xxx/64 scope global noprefixroute dynamic |
| 01:32.59 | JackK | It's for my homelab server.. It's not too serious. I don't think I'll be hosting anything directly to ipv6 any time soon.. but it's kinda bugging me that I can't switch it. |
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| 01:34.14 | Dagger | you should, it's a lot easier to deal with than v4 |
| 01:35.15 | Dagger | "dynamic" is used for addresses from SLAAC, but so long as your prefix is fixed and you're using EUI-64 identifiers (or a static token) then the address won't change |
| 01:35.42 | JackK | I mostly use cjdns to get around with my stuff. But yeah, I have a dynamic ipv4 address which is pretty useless for hosting. |
| 01:35.53 | JackK | "valid_lft 29sec preferred_lft 19sec" won't matter then? |
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| 01:37.20 | Dagger | mine are valid for a lot longer than that... but those timers are refreshed by RAs from the router, and if the router is broken then you can't reach the server anyway |
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| 01:39.09 | JackK | I don't know much about ipv6 at all, put that one off since my router didn't support it before. Been reading a lot in the last day or so. Still trying to wrap my head around how the addressing works. Maybe once I do, I'll just set one manually. |
| 01:39.25 | rjsalts | JackK: I see no [ipv6] section in NetworkManager.conf man page |
| 01:39.52 | Dagger | it's largely the same as v4, really. just no NAT |
| 01:39.59 | Dagger | though I guess SLAAC is new |
| 01:40.03 | rjsalts | ipv6 has nat |
| 01:40.32 | Dagger | yes, thank you for your contribution... but if you're using it, somebody has probably fucked up somewhere |
| 01:40.58 | rjsalts | well NAT-PT is probably fine |
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| 01:42.13 | Dagger | you shouldn't be using that either. *maybe* temporarily in a failover scenario, but there are other ways to handle that |
| 01:42.48 | rjsalts | if you want ipv6 only networks to be able to access ipv4 only resources you need nat-pt |
| 01:43.29 | Dagger | oh, "protocol translation", not "prefix translation" |
| 01:43.54 | Dagger | I'll give that my stamp of approval |
| 01:44.29 | Dagger | although "someone has fucked up" is still pretty true (what are they doing still on v4 >.>) |
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| 01:45.07 | bazhang | please no cursing here Dagger |
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| 01:49.33 | gubernator | Will somebody please remind where to get the netinstall iso for Debian 9 that includes non-free firmware? |
| 01:49.51 | rjsalts | JackK: from reading man NetworkManager.conf I think privacy addressing is a per connection setting, not global. There is a stanza [connection] in the global config to set/override a default |
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| 01:50.40 | rjsalts | JackK: did you sett addr-gen-mod in your connection? or the global config? |
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| 01:51.34 | JackK | rjsalts: Yeah. I saw that as I kept going. At first global, then specific for my connection. |
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| 01:53.16 | annadane | gubernator, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.3.0+nonfree/ |
| 01:54.12 | gubernator | annadane, thanks |
| 01:54.48 | rjsalts | JackK: nmcli -g all c show connection? |
| 01:56.02 | JackK | iError: Option '-g' is unknown, try 'nmcli -help'. |
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| 01:56.28 | RayReddington | fuck |
| 01:56.30 | RayReddington | sorry i mean |
| 01:56.30 | RayReddington | fudge |
| 01:56.32 | RayReddington | where is hicklen |
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| 01:56.38 | rjsalts | JackK: nmcli -p connection show foo |
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| 01:59.34 | JackK | https://bpaste.net/show/b1580920ed69 |
| 02:00.10 | JackK | I took out some of the more identify parts. Doesn't show anything about being static or dynamic. |
| 02:00.47 | rjsalts | there's nothing about "Connection profile details" before that? |
| 02:01.08 | JackK | identifying* |
| 02:01.35 | JackK | ooh. yes. |
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| 02:01.40 | alex72 | !bethany |
| 02:01.45 | JackK | I'm using tilda and it cut off nicely there |
| 02:01.51 | JackK | thought that was it. 1 min |
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| 02:02.28 | Dagger | of course, it does no good to remove the MAC-based parts of your IPs when you leave the MAC-based device name intact... but there's enough there to see that the global v6 address is being set based on your MAC, and will thus only change if your prefix or your MAC change |
| 02:04.06 | JackK | relevant lines: ipv6.ip6-privacy: 0 (disabled) & ipv6.addr-gen-mode: eui64 |
| 02:04.09 | JackK | hrm.. |
| 02:04.49 | Dagger | note that even if you have privacy addresses turned on, you still get the non-privacy address too. you can still stick that in DNS and use it for inbound connections |
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| 02:08.08 | rjsalts | Dagger: there is a difference between temp addresses and ipv6.addr-gen-mode in network manager |
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| 02:08.51 | JackK | rjsalts: I'll just set one manually after I study and understand how the addressing works more .. i've spent too much time on this and it's not really an issue for me yet. thanks for trying to help though |
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| 02:09.19 | Dagger | true. setting addr-gen-mode just changes what specific address the non-privacy address is |
| 02:09.20 | rjsalts | I have a connection with ipv6.addr-gen-mode: stable-privacy and it has one address that isn't based on the mac address |
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| 02:10.36 | acidtripper | Hi |
| 02:10.44 | acidtripper | having some trouble when left pc and monitor turn off |
| 02:10.48 | acidtripper | sometimes |
| 02:11.02 | acidtripper | screen go black and no way to return video |
| 02:11.10 | acidtripper | try going to tty's |
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| 02:11.14 | acidtripper | everything and nothing happens |
| 02:11.17 | schue | Hello #debian |
| 02:11.41 | schue | is there a channel for debian based cloud activities? |
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| 02:12.36 | schue | oh, #debian-cloud |
| 02:13.21 | schue | ghost town |
| 02:13.37 | acidtripper | :P |
| 02:13.50 | schue | :`-( |
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| 02:14.35 | schue | I got ahold of a few old 1Us... trying to figure out what I should do to the, |
| 02:14.44 | schue | them |
| 02:15.21 | koollman | schue: anything you want to try in particular ? |
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| 02:28.33 | cyber-nomad | hi |
| 02:28.39 | jim | hi |
| 02:28.44 | R0bo7 | hi |
| 02:28.56 | cyber-nomad | any news lately |
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| 02:30.01 | cyber-nomad | jim:any new debian release |
| 02:30.59 | cyber-nomad | jim: whats up with u |
| 02:31.49 | jim | debian packages come out to fix bugs and possibly to add features if that one isn't released yet,,, apt update ; apt -d dist-upgrade # you can run this much unattended |
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| 02:32.25 | cyber-nomad | thanx |
| 02:32.26 | jim | then take the -d off when you have time to watch what happens and such |
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| 02:32.46 | cyber-nomad | ok |
| 02:32.49 | jim | and run it again without the -d |
| 02:33.02 | cyber-nomad | i will try it out |
| 02:33.15 | jim | and do this every so often |
| 02:33.55 | cyber-nomad | i c u r a linux master urself |
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| 02:34.00 | jim | but remember, usually working software won't break, so older software will keep working |
| 02:34.54 | jim | how can I beeeeeee in two places at once... |
| 02:34.59 | cyber-nomad | what about (apt-get upgrade) |
| 02:35.03 | EnchanterTim | jelly: is around? |
| 02:35.08 | jim | when I'/m not anywhereeeeeeeeee at allllllllllll |
| 02:35.11 | EnchanterTim | jhutchins: or something |
| 02:35.24 | EnchanterTim | jim: if you're a particle. |
| 02:35.35 | jim | im a wave |
| 02:35.36 | EnchanterTim | you can be anywhere, even entangled with yourself! |
| 02:35.40 | jim | oh, same thing'] |
| 02:35.42 | EnchanterTim | particle is a wave. |
| 02:35.48 | EnchanterTim | so yeah, the problem |
| 02:35.53 | EnchanterTim | or the plot gets even thicker! |
| 02:36.09 | EnchanterTim | still xmonad, still chromium, and the bug happens on 2nd monitor in dual head |
| 02:36.14 | EnchanterTim | it doesn't happenon first monitor |
| 02:36.22 | EnchanterTim | html select dropdown renders just fine |
| 02:36.27 | EnchanterTim | I found a thread online |
| 02:36.36 | EnchanterTim | https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=515451 |
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| 02:38.03 | jim | cyber-nomad, but note... you should consider being careful when you upgrade stuff... because one thing is fact: when you upgrade, things change. so... if you don't want to be surprised, try to learn what might happen |
| 02:38.35 | cyber-nomad | yeah, i'm aware oh that. |
| 02:38.49 | jim | ok, cool |
| 02:39.20 | cyber-nomad | thanx man ,u help great |
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| 02:40.26 | jim | it's of course not just true of debian, or even of linux... but some operating systems don't give you the kind of choice that open and free operating systems do |
| 02:42.27 | cyber-nomad | u right.LINUX RULES |
| 02:42.32 | EnchanterTim | Dropdowns appear empty on my secondary (and tertiary) monitor. Bringing Chrome onto my primary monitor, the dropdowns function properly. |
| 02:42.49 | cyber-nomad | love linux man |
| 02:44.11 | jim | I'm glad you're excited about all this... and, I'm curious, could you say something more about what you do with your computer? |
| 02:49.35 | cyber-nomad | programming in python, html, c, vbs, powershell |
| 02:50.02 | jim | ahh, so you like to code |
| 02:50.04 | cyber-nomad | working on project for my raspberry pi-3 |
| 02:50.14 | cyber-nomad | yes of course |
| 02:50.18 | cyber-nomad | wardriving |
| 02:50.23 | cyber-nomad | wifi deauthing |
| 02:50.43 | cyber-nomad | lil bit of everything,LOVE PC,ADORE LINUX |
| 02:50.58 | jim | oops ngotta take care of stuff just came up |
| 02:51.00 | cyber-nomad | metasploit |
| 02:51.37 | cyber-nomad | whats matter,u r scared |
| 02:52.24 | cyber-nomad | jim:WHER ARE YOU |
| 02:52.48 | cyber-nomad | jim:DONT GO HIDE NOW |
| 02:52.58 | schue | koolman: dunno, running opennebula on some gear right now. |
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| 02:53.25 | schue | koolman: curious what other people are doing |
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| 02:54.07 | EnchanterTim | I wonder if it's an nvidia thing. |
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| 02:56.15 | schue | what window managers are you all running? |
| 02:56.34 | schue | I'm running XFCE because I heard that is what Alan Cox runs. |
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| 02:57.00 | jim | cyber-nomad, I'm a channel op on ##linux, the channel was less than relaxed for a moment |
| 02:57.33 | schue | jim: did linus show up and tell someone that they were an inbred embarrasement to their race? |
| 02:57.34 | cyber-nomad | ok |
| 02:57.42 | cyber-nomad | jim: ok |
| 02:58.11 | jim | that would have earned him a quick quiet |
| 02:58.27 | schue | only in a very limited domain |
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| 02:58.39 | schue | personally I think he is pretty hilarious |
| 02:58.49 | schue | but... not a popular view these days |
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| 02:58.52 | jim | right, I don;t pretend to control everywhere |
| 02:59.05 | schue | he's got root on our root |
| 02:59.11 | schue | lol |
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| 03:01.10 | schue | jim: what window manager do you use? |
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| 03:02.26 | jim | look at it this way... linus doesn't need our channel or even our net, he could go elsewhere so I would feel comfortabledealing with him if the weird coincidence you describe came up.... and, to my knowledge he hasn't been here or there |
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| 03:04.39 | jim | schue, I'm using i3, and I'm not necessarily having the best time |
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| 03:06.19 | jim | it's ok :) it's pretty interesting |
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| 03:10.53 | cyber-nomad | jim: i'm having problem with fluxion-3 in kali-linux,the programm wont capture the handshake file |
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| 03:11.19 | cyber-nomad | any idea about this >jim |
| 03:11.29 | password4 | if i want to run a script at startup that requires root priviledges , how does one do that? |
| 03:11.33 | cyber-nomad | jim: HELP' |
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| 03:12.26 | cyber-nomad | start by change the file root permission |
| 03:12.39 | cyber-nomad | password4 ::start by change the file root permission |
| 03:12.53 | n4dir | password4: with "startup" you mean the boot process? |
| 03:12.54 | password4 | chwon to root? |
| 03:13.18 | cyber-nomad | (chmod +rwx) for example |
| 03:13.44 | password4 | i can execute the script already |
| 03:13.53 | JackK | password4: add this to sudoers file via visudo |
| 03:13.55 | JackK | myusername ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /path/to/my/program |
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| 03:15.15 | JackK | just change myusername and /path/to/my/program keep the rest the same |
| 03:16.20 | password4 | its ok if there are two lines with my username? |
| 03:16.34 | JackK | yeah. |
| 03:16.51 | JackK | but if they're exactly the same, you only need one of the two |
| 03:16.58 | n4dir | wouldn't it make more sense if he only set the program to NOPASSWD for his username? |
| 03:17.46 | JackK | if he needs root permissions, without a password, he'd need root |
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| 03:18.05 | password4 | ok permissions seems to be in place |
| 03:18.10 | JackK | unless his user has NOPASSWD root permissions, which isn't generally a good idea |
| 03:18.29 | JackK | main user* .. root permissions for all* |
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| 03:19.12 | password4 | so do i still need to use sudo in the script itself now? |
| 03:19.59 | JackK | i believe so. it just won't ask for a password |
| 03:20.09 | JackK | yeah |
| 03:20.50 | JackK | without sudo it would just try to run as the user |
| 03:21.14 | JackK | but when using sudo as that user, it will run as root without password |
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| 03:23.22 | n4dir | what does the script do? and how does it look like? |
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| 04:26.23 | cyber-nomad | WELCOME |
| 04:26.33 | cyber-nomad | GOOD MIDNIGHT |
| 04:26.57 | annadane | hi cyber-nomad |
| 04:27.15 | cyber-nomad | hello annadane |
| 04:27.21 | acidtripper | hi cyber-nomad |
| 04:28.03 | cyber-nomad | hello acidtripper |
| 04:28.17 | cyber-nomad | acidtripper: cool name |
| 04:28.32 | acidtripper | yeah, from when i was a tripper |
| 04:28.32 | acidtripper | :P |
| 04:28.37 | acidtripper | nowadays im old |
| 04:28.41 | acidtripper | and worky |
| 04:28.51 | cyber-nomad | i see |
| 04:29.06 | annadane | !chat |
| 04:29.06 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:29.47 | cyber-nomad | nothing new on the net >>>acidtriipper |
| 04:30.43 | cyber-nomad | neither it is ur channel >>>>DPKG |
| 04:31.17 | acidtripper | that kind of attitude are the ones that kill a channel, but let's respect dpkg... in case he deserves it |
| 04:31.46 | cyber-nomad | alright ,apologize to DPKG |
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| 04:32.08 | cyber-nomad | annadane |
| 04:32.20 | annadane | sigh |
| 04:32.21 | cyber-nomad | annadane , !chat |
| 04:32.33 | annadane | it is not killing a channel, the point is to keep it clear in case people want to ask questions |
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| 04:33.32 | cyber-nomad | asking question is chatting |
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| 04:47.55 | gubernator | Hello -- I had recently installed components of LibreOffice (writer, calc) without installing the whole quite. Can somebody remind me how that is done? |
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| 04:55.28 | cyber-nomad | password4>>> why dont you try pasting the script into .bashrc file, maybe that will execute the script at start up... |
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| 04:56.21 | cyber-nomad | password4::: why dont you try pasting the script into .bashrc file, maybe that will execute the script at start up... |
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| 04:59.38 | gubernator | nevermind -- it was as simple as installing package libreoffice-writer |
| 05:00.23 | gubernator | funny that most information on the web says you have to install the entire suite. not that it saved much disk space. |
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| 05:06.38 | gubernator | New question: I use an NTFS partition for data storage. In Gnome Files, is there a way to link "Documents," Downloads," etc. to directories in my NTFS partition? |
| 05:08.07 | EnchanterTim | Hey, what's some good debian backgrounds? |
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| 05:12.32 | EnchanterTim | I am now in debian buster! |
| 05:12.43 | EnchanterTim | And now the problem of chromium and html select goes away |
| 05:12.46 | EnchanterTim | it's so crazy. |
| 05:13.04 | EnchanterTim | ~ |
| 05:16.58 | annadane | there's a few wallpaper packages |
| 05:17.14 | EnchanterTim | I'm trying to find ones I made 10+ years ago |
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| 05:18.59 | EnchanterTim | But now I have no audio. |
| 05:19.12 | EnchanterTim | pulse audio is installed, and pavucontrol says unable to connct to pulse |
| 05:19.51 | EnchanterTim | oh I know why |
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| 05:43.28 | acidtripper | bahs |
| 05:43.38 | schue | jim: just razzing you about linus |
| 05:44.11 | schue | jim: I've looked at i3. I tried it for a day or so. I couldn't handle the way it dealt with GIMP but maybe that is way better now. |
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| 06:20.40 | pingfloyd | schue: just use xfce and call the whole thing off. |
| 06:21.54 | nix64bit | been using xfce for awhile |
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| 06:49.41 | gubernator | Hello -- I am using an NTFS partition to store data. How can I redirect "Documents," Downloads," etc. to directories in my NTFS parition? I tried simply editing ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs but that is apparently not all there is to it. (Debian 9, Gnome 3) |
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| 06:50.18 | gubernator | in other words... gow does xdg work |
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| 06:56.56 | alkisg | gubernator: why not make symlinks instead? from /home/gubernator/Documents to /media/ntfs/Documents? |
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| 06:59.49 | gubernator | alkisg: Sure, I'll look into symlinks. Unless you have some quick pointer to share, or a link |
| 07:00.33 | alkisg | First, make sure that ~/Documents does not exist (e.g. rename it from the file manager), then run ln -rs /media/ntfs/Documents ~/Documents |
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| 07:01.21 | gubernator | So delete ~/Documents before I run the command? |
| 07:01.40 | alkisg | Yes |
| 07:01.54 | gubernator | k |
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| 07:03.50 | gubernator | alkisg: does it matter whether the directories in NTFS exist before I run this? |
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| 07:04.12 | alkisg | No, but of course you won't be able to navigate to the symlinks if the targets aren't there |
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| 07:07.04 | gubernator | alkisg: Anything more to it? I've run the commands but nothing has changed in Nautilis |
| 07:07.39 | alkisg | gubernator: what's the output of `ls -ld ~/Documents` ? |
| 07:08.15 | gubernator | lrwxrwxrwx 1 ak ak 29 Feb 16 01:04 /home/ak/Documents -> ../../media/ak/data/Documents |
| 07:08.31 | gubernator | ak being username |
| 07:08.45 | alkisg | OK, and now in nautilus, if you're in /home/ak and you press f5 to refresh the view, don't you see the documents with a small arrow that indicates it's a symlink? |
| 07:09.35 | gubernator | no |
| 07:09.45 | alkisg | Do you see Documents? |
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| 07:10.59 | gubernator | Yes, but just a sec... funny business |
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| 07:13.35 | gubernator | alkisg: the shortcuts in the main window of Nautilis work, but apparently I need to something else to update the shortcuts in the lefthand pane |
| 07:14.13 | alkisg | gubernator: I'm not using nautilus, I'm using mate, but are you sure those are shortcuts and not bookmarks? |
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| 07:16.34 | gubernator | You're right. There must be some way to add new bookmarks. |
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| 07:16.58 | krytarik | How does your '~/.config/user-dirs.dirs' look now btw? |
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| 07:17.12 | alkisg | Navigate to a directory and go to the bookmarks menu and click add |
| 07:18.16 | gubernator | krytarik: Funny that you asked. XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/Documents" has been replaced with XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/", for example. What's up with that? |
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| 07:19.33 | gubernator | alkisg: I don't see any menus! This is my first try at Gnome and Nautilis is so barebones |
| 07:19.54 | krytarik | They got set to just your home directory when they weren't reachable at the time of login. |
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| 07:20.59 | gubernator | So I should probably edit those lines to the original format? XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/Documents" |
| 07:21.10 | krytarik | Yep. |
| 07:21.13 | gubernator | rather than plug in my NTFS locations |
| 07:21.14 | gubernator | okay |
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| 07:27.13 | gubernator | krytarik: these lines '~/.config/user-dirs.dirs' refer to bookmarks, correct? Should I be rebooting to see the changes? |
| 07:27.29 | gubernator | I have no bookmarks at the moment, although I have edited the config file |
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| 07:29.34 | krytarik | No, those aren't bookmarks. And yes, I think you need to relog in to make your changes take effect. |
| 07:29.42 | gubernator | xdg-user-dirs-update broughth me up to speed |
| 07:29.52 | gubernator | Thanks you two for the help |
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| 07:31.24 | Maid-Chan | is there a way to make debian mount drives at /media/$user/$volumelabel instead of /media/$user/$diskidnumber? |
| 07:31.35 | Maid-Chan | when it auto mounts on boot i mean. |
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| 07:37.12 | alkisg | Maid-Chan: first, user mounts happen on login, not on boot. And, $volume is used, if it exists... |
| 07:37.26 | alkisg | You see something different? |
| 07:38.18 | Maid-Chan | all my HDDs and USBs are mounting on boot(login i guess) and plugin to UIDs NOT human readable volumes that exist within at least windows. |
| 07:38.50 | alkisg | What's the output of (sudo) lsblk --fs? |
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| 07:39.46 | Maid-Chan | erm.. what's the debian pastebin again? |
| 07:39.59 | alkisg | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 07:40.15 | Maid-Chan | was just about to say nvm. :P tahnx though |
| 07:40.41 | Maid-Chan | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b30f798/ |
| 07:41.00 | alkisg | See the LABEL row |
| 07:41.08 | alkisg | You don't have anything there, you're not using LABELS |
| 07:41.23 | alkisg | Open gparted and right click on them and label them... |
| 07:41.28 | Maid-Chan | strange that windows sees a label for all of those drives. |
| 07:43.21 | Maid-Chan | label file system is greyed out. |
| 07:43.33 | alkisg | You need to unmount them first |
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| 07:44.22 | Maid-Chan | btw is there a gui for resizing lvm2? my usr is out of space. |
| 07:45.09 | alkisg | No idea, I prefer a single / ext4 file system for my installations, maybe someone else knows :) |
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| 08:03.46 | Maid-Chan | ok do i need to relog to get them to remount? |
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| 08:08.03 | alkisg | Maid-Chan: you can use: udisksctl unmount -b /dev/sda5 to unmount, and udisksctl mount -b /dev/sda5 to remount, without having to log off/on |
| 08:08.16 | alkisg | Replace sda5 with the devices you want |
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| 08:13.48 | Maid-Chan | alkisg thanx. do you know if sdf is supposed to be my dvd burner? |
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| 08:14.27 | alkisg | Run sudo parted -l to see |
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| 08:34.05 | superlinux | I have a problem. xorg runs just fine. however, switching to a real terminal while xorg is running does work but i see no terminal. the monitor is complaining about or from the refresh rate used by the real terminal. so do you know good fix to it? |
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| 08:36.38 | superlinux | I could not find something on this issue on google. my search keywords are weak and they look very general |
| 08:36.44 | t3st3r | what gpu and drivers you use? |
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| 08:41.16 | superlinux | t3st3r, just a sec. |
| 08:41.39 | superlinux | it is the one that comes with HP Proliant server ML350 Gen9. |
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| 08:43.24 | superlinux | t3st3r, its Matrox MGA G200EH rev 01 . this is what lspci is showing |
| 08:44.24 | t3st3r | hmm yeah ... I have no experience with such things, sorry. |
| 08:45.02 | t3st3r | I can imagine it got something to do with modesettings but its a wild guess |
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| 08:52.08 | alkisg | superlinux: can you pastebin your xorg.log, so that we see drivers, kernel parameters etc? |
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| 08:55.18 | superlinux | t3st3r, it was the mga xorg driver was not installed. I rebooted and it worked |
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| 08:55.39 | superlinux | alkisg, see above ^| |
| 08:55.48 | alkisg | ok |
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| 08:56.50 | superlinux | but it's really strange that it's supposed to work by default if there is no mga driver installed. |
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| 08:57.14 | superlinux | the vesa/vga driver should suffice |
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| 08:57.49 | t3st3r | Probably something wrong happens when switching video modes. |
| 08:57.52 | alkisg | Nowadays KMS is used, so no VESA |
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| 08:58.15 | superlinux | looks like i am getting old already.. |
| 08:58.17 | superlinux | hehe |
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| 09:01.24 | g0zzy | s/on/one for the first case |
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| 09:49.52 | Ulrar | Hi, what is the equivalent of libmysqlclient18 for debian 9 ? |
| 09:51.03 | Ulrar | libmariadbclient18 maybe ? |
| 09:51.13 | Ulrar | I assume it'll work the same even with mysql |
| 09:52.06 | sh00p | I need help. Just dist-upgraded to get the meltdown patches in my kernel... The ZFS driver failed to build however and I'm not sure how to undo this upgrade. Here's the log of my apt-get dist-upgrade https://paste.debian.net/1010546/ |
| 09:52.19 | sh00p | When i try to remove the new kernel it also tries to remove my zfs drivers like so https://paste.debian.net/1010547/ |
| 09:52.46 | sh00p | I want to go back to 3.2.0.4 and keep my zfs drivers |
| 09:52.47 | BanHammor | yeah mariadb is what stretch uses |
| 09:53.23 | BanHammor | so hey, anyone here using mtd-utils in stretch? do they work okay on your arch? |
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| 09:56.27 | jelly | sh00p: why noy just boot the old kernel |
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| 09:57.17 | sh00p | jelly, yeah this is what i'm pursuing now... i dont have physical access to this machine however |
| 09:57.28 | sh00p | need to figure out how to make grub realize to use the previous version |
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| 10:02.15 | jelly | sh00p: find the desired kernel entry in generated /boot/grub/grub.cfg menu/submenu. Then change GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub to the ordinal number of that menu entry (starting with "0", submenu syntax is X>Y, eg. second menu and then first entry in that submenu would be "1>0") |
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| 10:02.30 | jelly | and rerun update-grub |
| 10:02.44 | jelly | test this on a machine where you DO have console access first |
| 10:03.51 | StyXman | superlinux: ack |
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| 10:05.28 | sh00p | yeah jelly... so for these menu entries https://paste.debian.net/1010549/ |
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| 10:05.34 | sh00p | my GRUB_DEFAULT should be "1>2" |
| 10:05.52 | sh00p | If I wanted to boot good old 3.2.0.4 |
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| 10:07.32 | jelly | right |
| 10:08.23 | sh00p | I'm gonna try this in an hour, thx jelly |
| 10:08.48 | jelly | sh00p: also consider wheezy (Debian 7) only has 3 months left of LTS support and then it's really EOLd, so plan for release upgrade |
| 10:09.03 | sh00p | ...I really need to get off wheezy on these machines, I hear later debian comes with zfs support in kernel |
| 10:09.14 | jelly | that... seems unlikely |
| 10:09.46 | jelly | but perhaps it's better integrated |
| 10:09.49 | jelly | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 10:09.50 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.4-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.5-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.5-1; sid/contrib: 0.7.5-1 |
| 10:10.02 | sh00p | ah yea, its supported in standard repo |
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| 10:10.19 | sh00p | i've had to add a third party repo for this package i'm using |
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| 10:19.37 | lastaid | debian on the raspberry pi cm3 with a custom board does not recognize the lan interface |
| 10:19.40 | mlh85386 | to superlinux |
| 10:19.41 | mlh85386 | the problem you describe is not very similar to one I had. But in the debian user mailinglist, there are mails dealing with Matrix card driver problems. For me, the update from jessie to stretch caused problems. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/08/msg01167.html. |
| 10:19.43 | mlh85386 | Sorry, I need to quit soon |
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| 10:20.00 | lastaid | the first fail i get is dmi firmware registration failed . does anyone know what that meeans? |
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| 10:20.12 | superlinux | mlh85386, yes? |
| 10:20.19 | bazhang | lastaid, is this raspbian |
| 10:20.33 | lastaid | debian buster aarch64 |
| 10:20.36 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 10:20.39 | mlh85386 | superlinux, I still here |
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| 10:20.58 | superlinux | I am using stretch now |
| 10:21.13 | superlinux | when I updated to stretch , it worked |
| 10:21.46 | superlinux | just apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-mga . |
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| 10:23.34 | BanHammor | hey, what's the linux userspace headers package called? |
| 10:23.52 | lastaid | i think the difference between a good startup and a bad one is this line |
| 10:23.52 | lastaid | Dec 14 22:10:01 rpi3 kernel: [ 8.861904] smsc95xx: unknown parameter 'macaddr' ignored |
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| 10:24.01 | mlh85386 | then, you have another problem. Mine appeared the day of the debian 9 installation and was solved by replacement of the xorg from Debian 9 by the xorg system from Debian 8 |
| 10:24.08 | lastaid | which means that the ethernet interface never comes up |
| 10:24.34 | mlh85386 | Sorry, need to quit now |
| 10:24.43 | bazhang | lastaid, rpi3 kernal and it's not raspbian? |
| 10:25.19 | lastaid | Linux rpi3 4.14.0-3-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.12-2 (2018-01-06) aarch64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:25.22 | lastaid | bazhang: ^ |
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| 10:30.05 | szonek | have trouble with debian 9 and native vlan on Cisco. I've configured switchport access vlan 250 and LACP on two interfaces connected to my debian machine. Then configured my bond0 to work with LACP and gave it an address from vlan 250. It worked perfectly. When I've changed setup on cisco to switchport mode trunk and switchport trunk native vlan 250 it stopped working |
| 10:30.32 | szonek | can't figure it out why, this shouldn't matter for debian afaik? |
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| 10:38.22 | lastaid | i seem to have an issue with the smsc95xx ethernet driver. it gives me smsc95xx: unknown parameter 'macaddr' ignored and then fails to find eth0 |
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| 10:51.01 | Neo1 | what is usb file system better use for? |
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| 10:56.56 | t3st3r | Neo1> that really depends on what you want from "usb". |
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| 10:57.31 | t3st3r | say if you need interop with windows, there is not too much choice, if you don't care of that... well, things get more interesting |
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| 11:09.17 | Rembo | hello everyone, when trying to conect to my ftp server i'm getting this 530 Login incorrect. Login failed. the password is correct , can someone help? |
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| 11:10.17 | Neo1 | t3st3r: save data, make back up |
| 11:10.39 | Neo1 | t3st3r: I want to do back up my ubuntu on usb... |
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| 11:11.39 | dmn__ | hello! is it ok to upgrade from wheezy directly to stretch, or its better to upgrade to jessie first? |
| 11:11.47 | t3st3r | Neo1> If you do not care much if windows can access that, you can try something like ext4 on HDD. |
| 11:12.08 | bites | dmn__: skipping releases is not supported |
| 11:12.10 | t3st3r | or maybe F2FS with recent kernel on flash sticks and cards |
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| 11:12.35 | Neo1 | t3st3r: on usb |
| 11:12.46 | dmn__ | uh.. ok, thank you |
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| 11:13.14 | Neo1 | t3st3r: what is f2fs? I've got error 'file system read only' it means broken drive |
| 11:13.15 | t3st3r | Yes, usb. Though usb can be HDD, flash, card reader, ... ? |
| 11:13.56 | t3st3r | F2FS is "flash friendly file system". Could be not too bad for flash sticks and cards but only with recent kernels. |
| 11:14.19 | t3st3r | and windows can't read that, beware |
| 11:14.31 | Neo1 | t3st3r: do in windows chdisk \f and after it works, and in a while it again broken, I couldn't have copied folder to disk, it always interrupted in middle |
| 11:14.36 | t3st3r | windows can do FAT32, ExFAT and NTFS, so... |
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| 11:15.20 | Neo1 | t3st3r: I can have two flash, one for windows and one for ubuntu :) |
| 11:15.28 | t3st3r | and in Linux ExFAT and NTFS are in FUSE, means they are slow. FAT32 is limited on its own. |
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| 11:15.44 | Neo1 | t3st3r: very slow and hanging |
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| 11:16.17 | Neo1 | t3st3r: ext4 very fast, my 500 mb has been copied for a few seconds |
| 11:16.18 | t3st3r | you want to install OS to usb stick? Or what? |
| 11:16.31 | Neo1 | t3st3r: no, save data from /var/www |
| 11:16.41 | Neo1 | and others data. for back up |
| 11:17.14 | t3st3r | And ext4 speed is one of considerations - it neither too buggy nor slow and supported even by fairly old kernels reasonably. |
| 11:17.54 | Neo1 | t3st3r: do you suggest put there ext4? |
| 11:18.17 | Neo1 | it will the best decision yes? |
| 11:18.37 | t3st3r | I guess you can give it a try. Though on flash sticks and somesuch removing factory filesystem could be bad idea. |
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| 11:19.33 | Neo1 | t3st3r: and when I need copy somehting in window I'll go under linux and copy from flesh to windows ntfs partition and then reboot in windows and if need something for other windows OS I would copy to ntfs flash |
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| 11:20.24 | t3st3r | well, there're EXT4 drivers for windows if one really wants it, as far as I know |
| 11:20.39 | t3st3r | but I haven't been touching windows in a while... |
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| 11:23.14 | Neo1 | t3st3r: better to do back up on google drive or dropbox :) |
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| 11:23.29 | Neo1 | this files will available on all devices |
| 11:24.09 | tomreyn | Neo1: it is not appreciated to ask the same questions in #debian and #ubuntu at the same time. do you actually run both systems? |
| 11:24.16 | wr | a top screen recorder on debian? |
| 11:24.22 | t3st3r | speaking for myself I do not need or want some dubious services doing hell knows what with my files. |
| 11:24.29 | Neo1 | tomreyn: no |
| 11:24.34 | Neo1 | tomreyn: one |
| 11:24.49 | tomreyn | Neo1: then ask your questions on the channel of the liunux distribution you run |
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| 11:24.51 | t3st3r | wr the hard way: ffmpeg :D |
| 11:25.32 | t3st3r | can do pretty decent screen cap from xorg as well as online encoding though, but it's not for everyone |
| 11:25.52 | Neo1 | tomreyn: ok, just in one channel don't want much bothering people. and if in two it don't bother much :) |
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| 11:26.24 | wr | t3st3r, will i be able to get areas? t3st3r besides ffmpeg that is what most softwares use underthehood, any other? |
| 11:26.59 | t3st3r | wr yes one can specify coordinates. But if you want some GUI and not good with command line it's bad idea. |
| 11:27.39 | t3st3r | I bet there're more "user friendly" solutions, ffmpeg is "swiss army knife of video" and is commandline |
| 11:28.18 | wr | t3st3r, yep i noticed before |
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| 11:29.09 | wr | t3st3r, maybe i have to dig debian packages on this |
| 11:29.19 | tomreyn | Neo1: you are wasting peoples' time by asking questions about a distribution you are not running. everyone here assists others as a matter of goodwill, this is non-commercial volunteering. please kindly respect that and don't overdo it. |
| 11:29.50 | Neo1 | tomreyn: ok |
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| 11:33.51 | wr | t3st3r, maybe find a GUI on the ffmpeg |
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| 11:35.27 | t3st3r | oh btw... |
| 11:35.40 | t3st3r | I've remembered VLC can capture desktop |
| 11:36.28 | t3st3r | and it could transcode/save to file/stream that obviously |
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| 11:39.15 | jim | schue, how did i3 deal with gimp? and within that, what part didn't you like? |
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| 11:41.12 | jim | in debian, how is the hostname communicated to the dhcp client, such that the client could communicate it to the dhcp server? |
| 11:42.12 | BanHammor | jim, I'm pretty sure dhclient just straight up reads /etc/hostname if it's not set up otherwise in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:43.05 | jim | (such that the dhcp server can match a host config in the dhcpd.conf file) |
| 11:44.15 | jim | I mean, that's the goal... to transmit a specifoc ip to the client |
| 11:44.26 | alkisg | You can also do it via mac address |
| 11:44.34 | alkisg | So that the client OS doesn't matter |
| 11:44.40 | jim | I was gonna do that :) |
| 11:44.46 | jim | there was a problem... |
| 11:44.56 | jim | the mac address kept changing |
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| 11:45.45 | alkisg | Some versions of systemd-networkd and of network-manager support random mac addresses; you can disable that |
| 11:45.55 | jim | so I'm either gonna get this to work or set it static |
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| 11:47.28 | alkisg | E.g. https://blogs.gnome.org/thaller/2016/08/26/mac-address-spoofing-in-networkmanager-1-4-0/ |
| 11:47.49 | jim | I read some of that |
| 11:48.22 | alkisg | I don't think it's on for wired ethernets by default though; so you must have done something to manually enable it |
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| 11:48.44 | jim | it's wireless :) |
| 11:49.00 | alkisg | in networkmanager.conf: [device] wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no |
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| 11:50.18 | jim | I'll look at that |
| 11:50.34 | BluesKaj | 'Morning |
| 11:50.48 | jim | hi |
| 11:51.01 | BluesKaj | hi jim |
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| 12:14.44 | g0zzy | Is there any way at all to make a swap partition when i've got three primaries already used and i'm planning to install to the remaining one primary partition? |
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| 12:15.20 | g0zzy | Perhaps a swap _file_ on the install primary? |
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| 12:19.34 | pingfloyd | g0zzy: you can have 4 primaries or 3 primaries and extended with msdos partition table. |
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| 12:20.16 | pingfloyd | in the extended partition you can in turn have tons of logical partitions |
| 12:20.47 | pingfloyd | so if you need more than 4 partitions or think you will, use gpt or make the 4th partition an extended partition |
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| 12:23.18 | g0zzy | Not sure if the installer allows partitioning of a logical. And its choice is Primary/Logical |
| 12:23.33 | pingfloyd | it does |
| 12:23.40 | pingfloyd | use the advanced option |
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| 12:24.16 | pingfloyd | you may even consider running the installer in expert mode as it gives you even more finer grain control over the installation |
| 12:24.31 | g0zzy | I'm in that mode |
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| 12:26.49 | g0zzy | OK - i'm going back to partitioning. I have / as ext4 now and it's primary. What next? |
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| 12:27.08 | nikio_ | whats the preferred way to change the timezone |
| 12:27.09 | nikio_ | ? |
| 12:28.18 | g0zzy | timedatctl? |
| 12:28.21 | BanHammor | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 12:28.30 | nikio_ | so which one ?:p |
| 12:28.37 | g0zzy | The second ;) |
| 12:28.42 | nikio_ | why? |
| 12:29.05 | BanHammor | it's how debian does it on installation |
| 12:29.07 | nikio_ | isnt the first more general? works on all linuxes? |
| 12:30.07 | g0zzy | It's new actually |
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| 12:31.17 | jelly | !tz |
| 12:31.17 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 12:36.04 | pmarkoulidakis | !ROOT |
| 12:36.04 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 12:36.13 | pmarkoulidakis | :p |
| 12:36.51 | pmarkoulidakis | !kernel |
| 12:36.54 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.16-rc1, stable 4.15: 4.15.3, longterm 4.14: 4.14.19, longterm 4.9: 4.9.81, longterm 4.4: 4.4.115, longterm 4.1: 4.1.49, longterm 3.18: 3.18.94 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.54, longterm 3.2: 3.2.99, linux-next: next-20180216 |
| 12:37.30 | jelly | !msg the bot |
| 12:37.30 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
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| 12:44.11 | someone_ | hi, what's the site allowing to browse debian packages content? |
| 12:44.40 | someone_ | I always forget the link, and it's not widely advertised... |
| 12:44.40 | BanHammor | as in, source code? |
| 12:44.46 | someone_ | yes, rules files, etc. |
| 12:44.59 | someone_ | it's not packages.debian.org, it's something else |
| 12:45.06 | someone_ | but I always forget |
| 12:45.06 | BanHammor | https://codesearch.debian.net/ |
| 12:45.45 | someone_ | hmm no |
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| 12:45.56 | someone_ | say I want to browse the content of libc6-dev package |
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| 12:49.07 | g0zzy | When a partition is marked 'bootable' is that referring to a primary bootloader or secondary? |
| 12:49.08 | jelly | someone_: rules files are in the source, and libc6-dev one of the resulting binary packages |
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| 12:49.54 | someone_ | jelly: packages.debian.org allows to get the file list |
| 12:50.00 | someone_ | I want to read the content of those files |
| 12:50.10 | someone_ | packages.debian.org doesn't allow this |
| 12:50.20 | jelly | ah. I'm not sure there's an interface for that |
| 12:50.29 | someone_ | I'm sure there is |
| 12:50.33 | someone_ | I just forgot the name |
| 12:50.39 | someone_ | it's xxx.debian.org |
| 12:50.46 | someone_ | xxx being what I forgot |
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| 12:51.28 | g0zzy | pingfloyd: It looks like you get into 'extended partition mode' in the installer by resizing the logical partition |
| 12:51.56 | g0zzy | now has his / and swap in the one extended partition |
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| 12:53.52 | pingfloyd | you mean in 2 logical partition |
| 12:54.15 | pingfloyd | all the extended partition is is a container for the logical partitions |
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| 12:58.21 | Avernos | Why ps command is showing rpciod process(es) even though nfs and rpc related packages are not installed on the system ? |
| 12:59.55 | someone_ | jelly, BanHammor: it was anonscm.debian.org/cgit/, alias git.debian.org |
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| 13:03.38 | someone_ | that would be great to have a link in packages.debian.org that would redirect to git.debian.org, so that one can browse it |
| 13:04.26 | someone_ | pretty hard to find otherwise |
| 13:04.52 | someone_ | oh there is sources.debian.org too |
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| 13:05.00 | someone_ | Extremely hard info to find |
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| 13:05.10 | someone_ | I can't believe how messy debian.org is |
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| 13:06.07 | someone_ | packages.debian.org should *at least* point to one of those two, seriously |
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| 13:10.52 | someone_ | anyway sorry for being a bit irritated. Thanks for your help and have a good day |
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| 13:12.52 | BanHammor | ...little did they know that packages.debian.org, in fact, has links to "Debian Source Repository" for every package |
| 13:14.07 | jelly | sssh |
| 13:14.11 | bugaloo | hi guys! i'm using debian 9 on my laptop, and everytime I return from hibernate, the screen stays blanked. The system is running, so I close my laptop cover (so it suspends) and open again, and the screen comes back. But anyone knows how to make it return ok from hibernate at first? |
| 13:15.18 | jelly | bugaloo: is it powered off or powered on and blank? You could try switching to Ctrl-Alt-F1 and back (to Ctrl-Alt-F7) |
| 13:16.52 | bugaloo | jelly, switching doesn't work |
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| 13:17.56 | bugaloo | jelly, to me it seems to be powered off |
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| 13:18.27 | karlpinc | bugaloo: Turn off the screen saver and see if that's what it is? (Happened to me once, just saying.) |
| 13:19.09 | bugaloo | karlpinc, hmmm... ok. I'll try it right now, thanks. Come back soon to tell if it worked :) |
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| 13:26.47 | bugaloo | jelly, well... it didn't work hehe |
| 13:27.18 | bugaloo | screen really seems to be off. it doesn't have any "black light". it only comes back when I suspend and return |
| 13:27.30 | jelly | then you're out of luck I guess |
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| 13:27.42 | bugaloo | switching ctrl+alt+f2-3-4 doesn't work also |
| 13:27.45 | jelly | at least you have one workaround |
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| 13:28.21 | bugaloo | jelly, yeh, well... I'll keeping looking for a solution. It bothers me not to solve an issue |
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| 13:38.23 | geekgirl | hi |
| 13:39.30 | geekgirl | I'm looking for a list of packages that are currently used in the world for security on the debian operating system and are graphically arranged. |
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| 13:40.08 | geekgirl | Ú©Ø³Û Ù
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| 13:40.19 | geekgirl | Can someone help me |
| 13:40.21 | geekgirl | Ø |
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| 13:43.49 | jelly | can you be mode precise with that "for security" part? Is an ssh client for security? |
| 13:44.05 | jelly | is any crypto security? |
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| 13:48.27 | n4dir | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 13:51.10 | jelly | geekgirl: you could do a debtags search but that's not exhaustive since tagging is optional. debtags search 'interface::graphical && security::*' |
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| 13:54.45 | jelly | not sure what you mean by gGraphically arranged" either |
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| 13:59.52 | n4dir | i think i agree with jelly that it is better to deal with one problem at a time, to ask in general about security won't offer much answers. geekgirl |
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| 14:01.45 | Haohmaru | security: don't use dumb passwords |
| 14:02.08 | n4dir | i use user as the password. |
| 14:02.17 | n4dir | now try how far you can get with it. |
| 14:02.34 | Haohmaru | i'm not a h4x0r |
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| 14:04.21 | n4dir | think about how far you would get with it if you was a hacker. |
| 14:05.14 | Haohmaru | 10 millimeters? ;] |
| 14:05.18 | Haohmaru | gtg |
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| 14:30.11 | pmarkoulidakis | geekgirl what are you trying to do? Are you trying to set up an IPS an IDS, secure a webserver, a pc. Be more specific |
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| 14:32.50 | nirj34 | hello, what could be the reason for not updating/upgrading? the terminal says 'following packages have been kept back' and lists them. |
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| 14:33.44 | pmarkoulidakis | you are upgrading to a major package |
| 14:33.57 | pmarkoulidakis | name a package |
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| 14:34.28 | jelly | nirj34: the usual reason is user has asked apt not to change dependendencies or introduce new packages (apt-get upgrade) instead of asking it to upgrade even it is means replacing or adding some dependencies (apt-get dist-upgrade) |
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| 14:35.08 | jelly | !dist-upgrade |
| 14:35.08 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>. |
| 14:35.57 | pmarkoulidakis | !dpkg |
| 14:35.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 14:36.00 | jelly | nirj34: which command did you run, exactly? |
| 14:36.02 | nirj34 | I dont understand. I always run apt-get upgrade and it works. dist-upgrade doesnt work either |
| 14:36.09 | nirj34 | it gives 404 not found for packages |
| 14:36.33 | jelly | run apt-get update again, and do a dist-upgrade again |
| 14:36.38 | nirj34 | I ran apt update, apt-get update, apt-upgrade and apt-get upgrade. all with same errors |
| 14:36.53 | jelly | okay, then |
| 14:37.24 | jelly | apt-get upgrade does not always work |
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| 14:38.02 | pmarkoulidakis | can you paste the output of apt-get update ? |
| 14:38.16 | jelly | nirj34: run "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade", and show all this info: |
| 14:38.18 | pmarkoulidakis | not directly, use a paste tool :D |
| 14:38.21 | jelly | !bat |
| 14:38.21 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 14:38.46 | jelly | preferably in a single pastebin entry |
| 14:40.22 | nirj34 | I know I know..I regularly use pastes |
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| 14:42.16 | nirj34 | I might have found the reason, though..just one sec, please |
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| 14:45.53 | duser | When I connect to debian-i3 irc at irc.debian.org using pidgin, it pop up a message saying "(notice) Deopped you on channel #debian-i3 because it is registered with channel services' |
| 14:45.56 | duser | what does that mean? |
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| 14:48.07 | jelly | duser: that happens if you stunble onto an otherwise empty channel. It gets created anew, then network services notice your client shouldn't have channel op privileges and services remove them |
| 14:48.25 | nirj34 | pmarkoulidakis, jelly, solved, thank you! |
| 14:48.33 | t3st3r | duser> it means chan has been empty when you entered. |
| 14:48.35 | nirj34 | I only needed to add a missing key |
| 14:48.43 | pmarkoulidakis | cool |
| 14:48.50 | nirj34 | because I was getting a missing signature error |
| 14:48.56 | nirj34 | when running update |
| 14:49.24 | duser | jelly: thanks for the exlplanation! |
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| 14:55.04 | bl4bl4 | hallo! |
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| 14:58.39 | BanHammor | is firefox-stable only available via tar archives from mozilla.org? |
| 14:58.59 | rek | hi everyone i'm using #!/usr/bin/env bash as the first line of my script in debian stretch but when it reaches a certain point i get Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 14:58.59 | rek | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.49 | n4dir | rek you could give shellcheck.net a try |
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| 15:01.52 | n4dir | the shebang sure doesn't look unfamiliar. |
| 15:02.26 | rek | i paste my script there then |
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| 15:03.16 | jelly | rek: it's not wrong, but have you ever seen a Linux system where bash wasn't in /bin/bash? |
| 15:03.35 | Vonor | hi. i set up my /etc/network/interfaces according to https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces and even added "allow-hotplug br0". bridge-utils are installed. if I manually run "if up br0" it works, but it doesn't come up at boot time. am I missing something? |
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| 15:04.23 | n4dir | jelly: well, if he wants it portable, perhaps the env shebang makes sense. I heard the arguments for it, but sure didn't understand |
| 15:04.32 | n4dir | missing questionmark |
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| 15:06.03 | UnixMonky | BanHammor: yes. for now it's tar-only for firefox quantum. my personal advice is to apt purge firefox-esr if you're moving to ff57+. |
| 15:06.14 | rek | can i show you? no but i have to make sure it's not dash |
| 15:06.41 | alkisg | rek, if you can share your script, sure, do so |
| 15:06.48 | UnixMonky | personally, I extract each new release to /usr/local/apps/firefox-<ver#> and symlink firefox/ to the latest version |
| 15:07.01 | jelly | rek: one suspects you really have a syntax error. Add "set -x" as second line of the script, run it again, look where it breaks |
| 15:07.20 | alkisg | ...or just run bash -n /path/to/script, it checks for syntax errors |
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| 15:08.26 | rek | https://pastebin.com/pk16xbz7 ok jelly i had a set -e let's try |
| 15:08.45 | n4dir | rek /bin/sh links to dash in debian, iirc, but if you use the mentioned !#/bin/bash, that will be bash (duh), not dash |
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| 15:10.26 | jelly | rek: keep set -e if you need it. Just add set -x |
| 15:11.04 | rek | right but my script is still behaving badly... https://pastebin.com/ZSeAV9Lq these are shellcheck suggestions |
| 15:11.50 | jelly | has no idea what shellcheck is |
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| 15:12.45 | n4dir | a webpage which quickly checks for common errors in shellscripts It is availabe as a package in debian, but it is recommended to use the online site, not the (outdated) installable one |
| 15:12.47 | rek | trap: SIGHUP: bad trap |
| 15:12.48 | rek | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.19 | rek | if i remove SIG it goes on till the next problem.... |
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| 15:18.58 | jelly | rek: it's hard to comment on anything without the seeing whole script and output with set -x |
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| 15:22.28 | rek | i posted it https://pastebin.com/JZH8CTwG jelly |
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| 15:23.22 | jelly | rek: did you not say you fixed those signal names in trap line? |
| 15:24.08 | jelly | rek: where is the first line, "sh gpu_fancontrol" coming from? |
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| 15:24.24 | jelly | if you're calling the script like that, don't. |
| 15:24.39 | rek | https://pastebin.com/M1SH8uuj jelly that's me launching the script in my terminal sh myscript |
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| 15:25.27 | jelly | rek: if you explicitely use sh to interpret it, the #! line is ignored |
| 15:25.53 | rek | good to learn that uhm |
| 15:25.57 | jelly | #! is interpreted by the kernel when you run the script itself, not "sh script" |
| 15:26.06 | rek | let me make it executable then |
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| 15:27.12 | karlpinc | rek: (It's not just scripts that have "leading magic-numbers" controlling how the kernel executes the file, all executables do.) |
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| 15:28.20 | rek | oh yeah baby now it's running...but my fan is all the way to the max or min i think.... uhm i'm looking for something more gradual |
| 15:28.39 | n4dir | so the problem was you called the script with "sh" ? |
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| 15:29.02 | rek | yes exactly sorry for my low experience |
| 15:29.20 | karlpinc | rek: No worries. That's why we're here! |
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| 15:30.45 | jelly | "sh script" is just "run the command sh with parameter script". |
| 15:31.13 | n4dir | nah, i asked, as i sure wouldn't have spotted it. I think this boils down to debian /bin/sh being dash ? |
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| 15:31.36 | n4dir | to put it different: bash nameofscript ; would have worked? |
| 15:31.42 | jelly | yes |
| 15:32.08 | n4dir | good. thanks |
| 15:32.27 | n4dir | knows no nothing about trap, hence i was confused |
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| 15:35.56 | n4dir | jelly: regarding shellcheck.net Not sure, but i think if someone pastes in #bash, and someone else uses !check; then shellcheck might be used. |
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| 15:37.37 | rek | hehe awesome... now i write everything in my book... my script was fighting with fancontrol lol now it's better it's a standalone solution i'll just change some value to lower the fan speed |
| 15:38.06 | rek | i also don't know wah shellchack wanted to tell me |
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| 15:38.50 | n4dir | the first two were only warnings, that you set a variable you didn't use. The part about trap was beyond me, as i don't know it |
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| 15:46.34 | zelest | Maybe a somewhat odd question, but how stable is buster? As in, how often does it break and how long does it take for things to get fixed when they break? Would be be a nightmare to run this on my everyday laptop? |
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| 15:47.10 | jelly | zelest: "if you have to ask, don't" |
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| 15:48.20 | tw | If you want to do work, use stable. |
| 15:48.29 | pmarkoulidakis | !buster |
| 15:48.29 | dpkg | The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
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| 15:49.28 | jelly | zelest: that said, if you're comfortable fixing packaging and maybe core functionality fuckups, if you have a second computer that works, and if you don't mind reporting bugs and maybe solutions back to debian, sure, go ahead |
| 15:49.45 | n4dir | zelest: also depends on which software you use. In general anything may break at any time, but the less you got installed, the higher are your chances to not run into it |
| 15:50.08 | n4dir | you sure need time at your hand |
| 15:50.15 | jelly | even if you only have one machine, if you need to work maybe do not upgrade 5 minutes before? |
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| 15:50.56 | n4dir | apt-listbugs is a must-have if not using stable |
| 15:51.24 | zelest | Ah, yeah, makes sense. :) |
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| 15:52.24 | zelest | jelly, The reason I ask is, I come from running OpenBSD -current for the last 1.5 year where things was "bleeding edge" but almost never broke.. and if they did, things were normally fixed within a day or two, if critical. |
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| 15:52.52 | zelest | jelly, And reporting bugs and send patches is of course obvious. :-) |
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| 15:53.25 | tw | There's always sid for the terribly brave. <.< |
| 15:53.28 | jelly | there's no promise of a fix in any reasonable timeframe |
| 15:54.01 | jelly | !sid faq |
| 15:54.01 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
| 15:54.06 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:54.06 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:54.18 | n4dir | if you search for "which debian distro to choose", you will get a debian.org page, which will explain in short what might be the advantage to use sid instead of testing. |
| 15:54.24 | karlpinc | zelest: From what I hear testing (now buster) only becomes stable-ish after the freeze several months before final release. |
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| 15:55.10 | jelly | definition of stablish vary |
| 15:55.13 | karlpinc | zelest: There is also backports, for those running stable with a reason to run some newer stuff. YMMV. |
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| 15:55.25 | bodqhrohro | Does allow-insecure=yes no more work? |
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| 15:56.30 | n4dir | puh, that took me quite a bit zelest : https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
| 15:57.58 | zelest | Oh, I see... |
| 15:58.01 | zelest | Thanks for all answers :) |
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| 15:59.04 | jelly | bodqhrohro: where do you use that |
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| 15:59.45 | oo_miguel | Any idea how "fstrim -a" which devices it suports? |
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| 16:00.10 | oo_miguel | In my case "fstrim -a" does not do anything while "fstrim /" trims / |
| 16:00.45 | oo_miguel | (the -a option works inside one kvm guest, while it does not do anything inside another) |
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| 16:01.11 | bodqhrohro | jelly: in sources.lsit |
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| 16:01.14 | bodqhrohro | *list |
| 16:01.46 | oo_miguel | sorry I meant: how fstrim -a _decides_ which devices it supports. |
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| 16:02.08 | tw | Probably have to read the source to answer that =/ |
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| 16:04.49 | tw | for fstrim, I know you need block device support and filesystem support for discards for it to actually do anything. If you have LVM or mdraid(?) in the mix, those also have to have to support discard passthrough. |
| 16:04.57 | jelly | bodqhrohro: probably doesn't, use command line or apt.conf I guess |
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| 16:07.05 | Constant_Dean | Yay, I found a place ro talk about my favorite distro! |
| 16:08.47 | jelly | and it's #debian-offtopic ! |
| 16:09.04 | jelly | this channel is for tech support! |
| 16:10.06 | tw | How likely is it to break my system if I'm running deb9 as base w/ testing as a chroot? I'm thinking the major thing that can go wrong is glibc throwing a rod on min kernel version. |
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| 16:11.26 | tw | Basically I want to run some buster apps, but don't want it to modify grub or booting-related cfg. I know if I want GLX acceleration, I need to match the driver versions exactly. |
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| 16:12.21 | jelly | tw: what happens in chroot stays in chroot? |
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| 16:12.55 | tw | In a perfect world, that would be true... |
| 16:12.57 | jelly | if you don't want it to touch grub, don't expose /dev or /sys or /boot to chroot |
| 16:13.48 | tw | It needs /dev/pts and several others in the chroot for sure. I suppose I will have to go on an adventure to figure out which ones. |
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| 16:14.24 | jelly | I run chroots with crap all the time. Mostly it's older crap. |
| 16:14.37 | pmarkoulidakis | !debian |
| 16:14.37 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 16:14.52 | pmarkoulidakis | !sid |
| 16:14.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 16:15.05 | jelly | pmarkoulidakis: please use /msg dpkg stuff |
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| 16:15.20 | pmarkoulidakis | sorry |
| 16:15.41 | karlpinc | tw: You could consider backports. (No clue what you're trying to do.) |
| 16:16.15 | tw | Debug compat of an internal service with future deb. |
| 16:17.18 | n4dir | gotta say that i was never worried about a chroot breaking grub or boot-related stuff. |
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| 16:18.28 | karlpinc | tw: There's also lxc. |
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| 16:25.06 | tw | Okay, thanks folks. I'll try a few things; you've given me some ideas on how to limit scope. |
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| 16:36.45 | antoszka | Guys, I'm preseeding some Debian installations and the partitioner creates a 'gpt' disklabel type on my disk, while I want an 'mbr'-style partition table. Any hints how to force the partitioner to create that? Can't find anything in the docs. |
| 16:36.59 | Constant_Dean | So what do you guys use Debian for? |
| 16:37.05 | g0zzy | What would be the correct approach to customizing the alternative 'desktop-background' such that upgrades don't change it? |
| 16:37.18 | g0zzy | Constant_Dean: work ;) |
| 16:37.48 | Constant_Dean | that is a good use of it :^) |
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| 16:38.39 | jim | can I specify a hostname in nm for dhcp? |
| 16:38.40 | pmarkoulidakis | Constant_Dean mailserver,webserver,infokiosks based on rpi,app server |
| 16:39.02 | scartosx | Buen dÃa, me podrian x favor explicar o informar pq en Debian 9 no funciona el comando sudo, e ifconfig, gracias. |
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| 16:39.07 | iodev | Constant_Dean, well, I use debian as my main desktop |
| 16:39.12 | iodev | OS |
| 16:39.16 | Constant_Dean | I'm using it as a Plex/Minecraft/IRC server |
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| 16:39.29 | iodev | Constant_Dean, cute, which VPS provider do you use? |
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| 16:39.39 | Suprani | I dual boot with Windows but currently Debian is my main too, yeah. |
| 16:39.44 | Constant_Dean | VPS? none. |
| 16:39.58 | iodev | ahh, you like metal :D |
| 16:40.15 | iodev | likes not having to manage hardware, power, etc.... |
| 16:40.59 | Constant_Dean | im asuming that means im using the base system and not virtual machines? |
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| 16:42.10 | jim | I like the kind of metal they make bridges out of, because usually I can't find the confounded bridge |
| 16:42.23 | iodev | Constant_Dean, it means that you're using a dedicated server |
| 16:42.28 | mikeymop | I thought that said crowdfunded for a sec |
| 16:42.32 | mikeymop | I'm like, arent most bridges? |
| 16:42.42 | Constant_Dean | Oooh I see |
| 16:42.58 | mikeymop | vs a VM from a hosting site |
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| 16:43.04 | iodev | exactly |
| 16:43.06 | mikeymop | iodev: do you have a droplet? or somtehing else |
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| 16:43.14 | mikeymop | I liked digital ocean but moved to linode |
| 16:43.17 | iodev | mikeymop, hahaha, guilty |
| 16:43.34 | iodev | I like DO even more since they gave the 5$ one 1 GB of ram :D |
| 16:43.44 | mikeymop | Linodes 5$/mo option was better at time, but I saw DO upgraded to match |
| 16:43.46 | iodev | just like linode! :D |
| 16:44.08 | mikeymop | I also get warm and fuzzies from Linode because they're close to where I live |
| 16:44.12 | Constant_Dean | no, I just ssh into it. basic install with only the stuff I need. |
| 16:44.16 | iodev | now, if I could just get a /48 or a /64 ipv6 routed netblock |
| 16:44.30 | iodev | mikeymop, I wouldn't need hurricane electric then |
| 16:44.47 | pmarkoulidakis | how about ovh vps? |
| 16:44.53 | mikeymop | hurricane electric? |
| 16:44.57 | mikeymop | never heard of em |
| 16:45.04 | mikeymop | but if they have a 5$/mo option I'm listening |
| 16:45.10 | iodev | mikeymop, actually it's free |
| 16:45.14 | iodev | they offer Ipv6 |
| 16:45.23 | iodev | 6to4 I think |
| 16:45.27 | mikeymop | gigabit transfers? |
| 16:45.30 | mikeymop | ah |
| 16:45.32 | iodev | or was it 4to6 tunneling |
| 16:45.43 | pmarkoulidakis | 2.99??? |
| 16:45.47 | iodev | anyway it's ipv6 over ipv4 |
| 16:45.55 | mikeymop | head spins |
| 16:46.09 | mikeymop | makes me imagine fitting a circle through a square pipe |
| 16:46.19 | iodev | combine that with a DO Vps, and openvpn |
| 16:46.22 | pmarkoulidakis | https://www.ovh.ie/vps/vps-ssd.xml |
| 16:46.38 | iodev | and you got yourself a way to actually get ipv6 if your ISP doesn't support it |
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| 16:46.57 | mikeymop | oh wow thats cheap |
| 16:47.00 | iodev | and it's pretty good ipv6, I get about 50 MBps on it |
| 16:47.15 | mikeymop | the only thing I dont like about ipv6 |
| 16:47.17 | iodev | and 60 MBps on ipv4 |
| 16:47.24 | mikeymop | is that I was able to remember most of my ipv4 addresses |
| 16:47.28 | mikeymop | not happening with v6 |
| 16:47.31 | g0zzy | Out of interest why do you guys use other people's machines? |
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| 16:47.38 | mikeymop | what do you mean |
| 16:47.54 | pmarkoulidakis | use vps instead of dedicated> |
| 16:47.54 | mikeymop | I own everything inside the vm |
| 16:47.58 | g0zzy | vps, shared hosting, etc. |
| 16:48.02 | pmarkoulidakis | ;) |
| 16:48.02 | Constant_Dean | Im new to IRC so this is fun for me. Its like CB radio but on the internet! |
| 16:48.03 | mikeymop | my internet speeds at home |
| 16:48.10 | iodev | g0zzy, because I don't have a gigabit home connection and I can't stand whirring fans |
| 16:48.15 | mikeymop | ^ |
| 16:48.15 | g0zzy | Ha |
| 16:48.17 | iodev | g0zzy, and I want stuff on 24/7 |
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| 16:48.31 | pmarkoulidakis | you outsource electricity hardware noise |
| 16:48.39 | mikeymop | also my family seems to love to reset my router when the internet gets slow |
| 16:48.40 | pmarkoulidakis | abd cables |
| 16:48.43 | iodev | and I'm not in the mood of getting an industry-grade UPS (or one at all) |
| 16:48.44 | mikeymop | i'm like NO STOP that doesn't do anything! |
| 16:48.46 | iodev | mikeymop, Bingo! |
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| 16:48.48 | g0zzy | has a fanless NUC |
| 16:48.50 | iodev | exactly the same |
| 16:48.51 | mikeymop | except screw up everything I had set up |
| 16:49.04 | mikeymop | g0zzy: would love to have one, was using an rpi before I swapped to a vps |
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| 16:49.12 | pmarkoulidakis | why they have access to the router? |
| 16:49.12 | mikeymop | my sdcard died after a few months of nextcloud/onlyoffice |
| 16:49.14 | iodev | mikeymop, my ISP resets it for me, via their backdoor DSL protocol! |
| 16:49.19 | iodev | compliments to romtelecom! |
| 16:49.36 | pmarkoulidakis | iodev where are you from? |
| 16:49.39 | mikeymop | oh also, my isp doens't give static ip unless you pay for business |
| 16:49.42 | iodev | pmarkoulidakis, Romania |
| 16:49.43 | pmarkoulidakis | ** where do you live |
| 16:49.49 | Constant_Dean | my servers set up at the parents' place lol. |
| 16:49.54 | mikeymop | vps gives you one for cheaper than an intenr plan over 12/mo |
| 16:49.56 | iodev | mine is in Frankfurt |
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| 16:50.13 | pmarkoulidakis | i have them in France |
| 16:50.23 | iodev | plus it has its benefits to have them there |
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| 16:50.28 | g0zzy | Yes, static IP is sometimes a problem. Not with Zen Broadband though |
| 16:50.28 | pmarkoulidakis | like? |
| 16:50.31 | iodev | "Ich mag ZDF" |
| 16:50.39 | iodev | (Mediathek) |
| 16:50.44 | Constant_Dean | this is why I love the internet. |
| 16:50.44 | pmarkoulidakis | do you use hetzner? |
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| 16:51.16 | iodev | pmarkoulidakis, I can bypass geoblock and watch german shows, I mean |
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| 16:51.27 | pmarkoulidakis | ah :D |
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| 16:52.38 | iodev | I happen to know german, because when I was little I was there, and my parents recorded hundreds of hours of "Lowenzahn" (a children's documentary) on VHS :D |
| 16:53.14 | iodev | and the tapes came with me back to romania, I watched them over and over again, Peter Lustig was quite the moderator :-) |
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| 16:54.31 | jim | can I specify a hostname in nm for dhcp? |
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| 16:55.15 | iodev | pmarkoulidakis, so, yeah, that's another reason I don't get a raspberry pi to do the hosting |
| 16:55.54 | iodev | besides electricity, power costs for 24/7, heating, cooling and pointless-ness, LOL!, a vpn to your raspberry pi is kinda silly :D |
| 16:56.06 | iodev | don't you think |
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| 17:07.10 | g0zzy | Any idea how to get the aspect ratio of my monitor? |
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| 17:07.31 | annadane | xrandr? |
| 17:07.58 | g0zzy | Ah, shall look thanks |
| 17:08.04 | annadane | xrandr with no arguments gives me "Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1600 x 900, maximum 16384 x 16384" |
| 17:08.37 | jabbery | My laptop keeps freezing. |
| 17:08.46 | pmarkoulidakis | iodev sorry i was afk. what rpi hosting? |
| 17:08.58 | annadane | jabbery, which desktop environment/window manager are you using |
| 17:09.15 | jabbery | Debian 9 xfce |
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| 17:09.47 | jabbery | Debian is running fine on my other computers. |
| 17:10.52 | jabbery | I have installed other OS on it like Mint and it is running fine. |
| 17:11.16 | gubernator | Hello -- When I update user-dirs.dirs to point to symlinked directories, the paths in that config get changed to, for exmaple XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/" which lacks the end of the path |
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| 17:11.36 | jabbery | When I put Debian back on it will freeze. |
| 17:11.45 | g0zzy | Isn't it a bit weird that there are no 1600x900 wallpapers since that's a new size ? |
| 17:11.48 | annadane | i guess maybe a good place to look is ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 17:12.25 | oo_miguel | what will happen to my kvm guests I started with "virsh create" when I shutdown/start my host? |
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| 17:13.02 | EnchanterTim | jelly: hola |
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| 17:15.37 | ngharo | oo_miguel: I think machines with 'autostart' enabled will automatically launch on startup (see libvirtd.service systemd unit file) |
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| 17:16.06 | ngharo | I can find the autostart option in a virt-manager VM under Boot Options |
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| 17:16.17 | jabbery | Will doannadane |
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| 17:16.45 | oo_miguel | ngharo: ok thank you, I will have a look at the options |
| 17:16.51 | pmarkoulidakis | waves!!! bye bye |
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| 17:19.05 | annadane | jabbery, possibly also /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog |
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| 17:19.32 | annadane | not sure if that's in any way helpful, other people may have a better idea of how to diagnose |
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| 17:20.35 | Vinit_Ntsysv | > /var/log/messages |
| 17:20.38 | Vinit_Ntsysv | no |
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| 17:23.51 | wpostma | Has anyone ever gotten ability to view live RAID array status for an onboard LSI RAID controller on a Dell Precision T76xx workstation? (lspci says: LSI Logic SAS2308 Fusion-MPT SAS-2 (rev 05) ) |
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| 17:24.29 | wpostma | I tried storcli but it doesn't see the raid controller. |
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| 17:40.49 | dob1 | hi, I have openntp installed and running (installed time ago) and today I noticed that the time is not correct, how is this possible? |
| 17:42.06 | wpostma | check for errors in your logs. |
| 17:42.09 | koollman | dob1: is it still running ? can you paste the output of "ntpctl -s all" somewhere ? |
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| 17:43.43 | dob1 | koollman, I don't have this command. but on ps aux I see it running /usr/sbin/ntpd -f /etc/openntpd/ntpd.conf runned by root and ntpd user |
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| 17:44.55 | koollman | isn't ntpctl part of openntpd ? or is it renamed on debian ? :) |
| 17:45.13 | greycat | ,file ntpctl |
| 17:45.18 | judd | Search for ntpctl in stretch/amd64: openntpd: usr/sbin/ntpctl |
| 17:45.50 | dob1 | I found it, but even as root I doesn't give me autocompletion to this command |
| 17:45.57 | dob1 | it's in /usr/sbin |
| 17:46.08 | greycat | make sure that directory is in your $PATH |
| 17:46.11 | koollman | ah, right. you need to be root with the right environment :) |
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| 17:50.19 | dob1 | no sorry, I searched for it using atp-file and I found it on openntpd package, and openntpd package is installed on my system. but I don't have this file. The output of dpkg -S openntpd https://pastebin.com/aZ99qaaW |
| 17:50.54 | dob1 | (I am using jessie) |
| 17:50.55 | greycat | if the (non-config) file is missing, then reinstall the package |
| 17:50.59 | greycat | oh, jessie. |
| 17:51.05 | greycat | ,help file |
| 17:51.06 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by |
| 17:51.07 | judd | default. |
| 17:51.13 | greycat | ,file --release jessie ntpctl |
| 17:51.14 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by |
| 17:51.15 | judd | default. |
| 17:51.23 | greycat | ,file ntpctl --release jessie |
| 17:51.27 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:51.31 | greycat | there you go. it's not in jessie. |
| 17:51.44 | dob1 | but I can install it via backports, right? |
| 17:51.52 | greycat | ,v openntpd |
| 17:51.54 | judd | Package: openntpd on amd64 -- wheezy: 20080406p-4; wheezy-backports: 20080406p-7~bpo70+1; jessie: 20080406p-10; jessie-backports: 1:6.0p1-2~bpo80+1; stretch: 1:6.0p1-2; buster: 1:6.2p3-1; sid: 1:6.2p3-1 |
| 17:52.07 | greycat | Or you could upgrade to stable. |
| 17:52.12 | dob1 | not now :) |
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| 17:52.38 | dob1 | now I have this command |
| 17:53.49 | dob1 | the output of sudo ntpctl -s all: https://pastebin.com/WJreXL1h |
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| 17:55.04 | dob1 | clock unsynced doesn't seems good :) |
| 17:55.06 | dob1 | but why? |
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| 17:55.14 | g0zzy | Can i just install backported libreoffice without removing stable libreoffice? |
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| 17:55.25 | greycat | dob1: you didn't give it very long yet... |
| 17:55.47 | dob1 | greycat, what do you mean? |
| 17:56.13 | g0zzy | I mean i want to replace with the latest version |
| 17:56.24 | greycat | You just installed a new version, which presumably restarted the daemon, so you need to give the daemon time to synchronize with its peers/whatever. |
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| 17:58.30 | dob1 | greycat, ok but I installed it just to have this command that you suggested me but before I was running the jessie's version of it and it was 2 min late |
| 17:58.52 | greycat | well it's been about 5 minutes now... try it again? |
| 17:59.09 | dob1 | but the system (before installing the new openntpd) was up for about 1 day |
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| 17:59.24 | dob1 | it's still 2 min late |
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| 18:03.23 | dob1 | greycat, I am still 2 min late :) |
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| 18:07.30 | gr8 | is it possible to install both libssl-dev and libssl1.0-dev in debian? |
| 18:07.36 | gr8 | at the same time, that is |
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| 18:12.14 | dob1 | maybe it is related to this https://github.com/openntpd-portable/openntpd-portable/issues/25 ? |
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| 18:22.11 | dob1 | now I installed chrony instead of opennptd and I am still 2 min late..... |
| 18:22.43 | greycat | How do you know? |
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| 18:23.58 | JustASlacker | are you moving close to lightspeed perhaps |
| 18:24.07 | greycat | Also, I don't have intimate knowledge of chrony and openntpd. Specifically, I don't know how they behave when first starting up with a badly skewed clock when the system is NOT booting. |
| 18:24.46 | JustASlacker | best to set the time once via ntpdate and keep it via ntpd |
| 18:24.58 | greycat | With 120 seconds of skew, they may decide to set the adjustment ratio really high and let it synchronize gradually over several hours, rather than breaking continuity. |
| 18:25.06 | JustASlacker | nods |
| 18:25.10 | JustASlacker | it will take a while |
| 18:25.22 | JustASlacker | which is why you should force it via ntpdate |
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| 18:26.00 | greycat | Whereas the ntp package with default options will slam the clock to a peer's time during startup (at least if it's starting up while the system is booting). Dunno if that occurs when restarting the daemon post-boot. |
| 18:26.12 | JustASlacker | nope |
| 18:26.20 | greycat | !ntpdate |
| 18:26.20 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 18:26.47 | JustASlacker | ಠÍÊರೠ|
| 18:27.07 | JustASlacker | meh |
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| 18:27.35 | dob1 | greycat, other pcs have a different time, and google "Time now" gives me 2 min ahead |
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| 18:28.06 | JustASlacker | then use ntpd -gq |
| 18:28.10 | JustASlacker | instead of ntpdate |
| 18:28.17 | dob1 | but why??? |
| 18:28.23 | greycat | Why what? We explained already. |
| 18:28.32 | greycat | Slamming the clock around especially BACKWARDS is BAD. |
| 18:28.39 | JustASlacker | because ntpd alone will slowly correct time and keep it there |
| 18:28.44 | greycat | So normally severe clock adjustments are only done while booting. |
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| 18:29.39 | dob1 | but now a persone wants to have the time of this pc's clock on the right time so he install a ntp server. why it doesn't work? I just want the right time |
| 18:29.47 | dob1 | *his |
| 18:29.55 | greycat | Reboot already, jesus. |
| 18:30.04 | greycat | How much stronger of a hint do I have to give. |
| 18:30.25 | JustASlacker | you can set the time |
| 18:30.35 | JustASlacker | thats why those switches are there |
| 18:30.35 | greycat | Make sure whichever NTP daemon you chose is configured to slam the clock at boot (ntp does this by default as the bot factoid told you), and reboot. |
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| 18:31.02 | greycat | If you do choose to slam the clock around without rebooting, be aware of the effect this can have on running daemons and desktops and so on. |
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| 18:31.50 | dob1 | greycat, I premis I can't reboot now because there are some vms running and I can't shutdown them. but if I reboot and it set the time to the right time it's just matter of time that this will happen again |
| 18:32.06 | JustASlacker | it should not, with ntpd running |
| 18:32.15 | dob1 | JustASlacker, it was running before |
| 18:32.21 | greycat | If you can't reboot, let an ntp daemon RUN and leave it ALONE. |
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| 18:32.27 | dob1 | it's more than 1 day that the system is up |
| 18:32.29 | JustASlacker | were the peers ok? |
| 18:32.34 | JustASlacker | are they now? |
| 18:32.37 | greycat | Check back in 8 hours or so. See how much it has shifted. |
| 18:33.07 | greycat | If your hardware clock is so bad that ntp can't tame it, well, then you have some choices to make. |
| 18:33.09 | dob1 | JustASlacker, with openntpd I was getting unsynced |
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| 18:33.12 | JustASlacker | what does ntpq -p say ? |
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| 18:33.28 | dob1 | JustASlacker, I am using chrony now |
| 18:33.34 | data_ | o/ |
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| 18:33.58 | dob1 | greycat, ok, but why it doesn't change it ? it reads the time from the time server and it has to adjust it, am I wrong? |
| 18:34.11 | greycat | HOW THE HELL CAN WE KNOW? CHECK YOUR LOGS AND SHIT. |
| 18:34.12 | JustASlacker | I guess nowadays there is timedatectl status |
| 18:34.18 | greycat | *shudder* |
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| 18:35.11 | dob1 | all the times on timedatectl status are wrong |
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| 18:35.22 | dob1 | (the minutes) |
| 18:35.26 | dob1 | greycat, don't take it bad :) |
| 18:35.29 | greycat | oh my fucking god why did you MENTION systemd's thing |
| 18:35.36 | JustASlacker | lol |
| 18:35.37 | greycat | now he's actually TOUCHING it |
| 18:35.38 | JustASlacker | why not? |
| 18:36.02 | dob1 | it's systemct? |
| 18:36.22 | data_ | Ello everyone. Have a question. Terminology package not found by apt-get. On Debian 9.3 stretch. |
| 18:36.44 | dob1 | try lowercase |
| 18:37.00 | data_ | It was in console. |
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| 18:37.32 | BenNZ | data_: if that doesnt fix it apt-get update && apt-cache search terminology |
| 18:37.54 | darokthar | I can't find the package, too. |
| 18:38.00 | dob1 | it's not in stable |
| 18:38.39 | data_ | Is there a way I can pull it from experimental? |
| 18:39.01 | data_ | I tried adding the PPA but it seems like it's only for ubuntu |
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| 18:39.47 | BenNZ | data_: i would check to see if its in backports |
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| 18:41.17 | greycat | ,v terminology |
| 18:41.18 | judd | Package: terminology on amd64 -- jessie: 0.7.0-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.7.0-1+deb8u1; sid: 0.9.1-1; experimental: 1.1.1-2 |
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| 18:42.06 | greycat | ,checkbackport terminology |
| 18:42.07 | judd | Backporting package terminology in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 18:42.19 | greycat | So, it should be possible to build a backport of it. |
| 18:42.47 | data_ | Hmm.... |
| 18:42.58 | data_ | I'll look around. I've never done this before. |
| 18:43.11 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 18:43.12 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:44.13 | data_ | oh nice. |
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| 18:48.13 | hexhaxtron | Hi! Can someone suggest me a command-line game for multiplayer? |
| 18:48.32 | greycat | You're playing it right now. |
| 18:48.44 | hexhaxtron | ahahhaha |
| 18:48.45 | greycat | Sadly, I keep losing. |
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| 18:56.36 | dob1 | hexhaxtron, typespeed |
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| 18:57.26 | Guest60 | hi! I'm trying to install a minimalistic debian, how do I know if I installed all the necessary programs? |
| 18:57.46 | greycat | By running the program you want to run and seeing if it runs or gives an error like "command not found". |
| 18:58.11 | Guest60 | greycat, and, what about drivers? |
| 18:58.23 | greycat | Install them if you need them. |
| 18:58.41 | Guest60 | but how i must know if drivers not installed |
| 18:58.47 | greycat | Does your hardware work? |
| 18:58.54 | sdk | Guest60: you can also use "apt list --installed' |
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| 19:00.04 | Guest60 | greycat yes, but (for example) nvidia need non-free software for full fute support |
| 19:00.18 | greycat | You will know this by the fact that something is not working. |
| 19:00.32 | greycat | "When I try to start X it gives this error..." |
| 19:00.44 | greycat | "When I try to bring up my wireless interface it gives this error..." |
| 19:00.48 | Guest60 | i dont have any errors starting x |
| 19:00.54 | greycat | Yay! |
| 19:01.00 | dob1 | I am back to the future! it seems the clock is slowly adjusting to the right time now. the issue was a STUPID error by me |
| 19:01.09 | Guest60 | u not understand |
| 19:01.12 | annadane | i typically just install the firmware found by searching dmesg | grep firmware, i'm not certain whether it's necessary as i'm just doing it as a matter of course rather than as a reaction to things not working |
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| 19:02.03 | greycat | Guest60: Then explain in a way that we can understand. Are you giving the computer to someone else, so that you will not have a chance to make sure everything works right before going away physically? |
| 19:02.12 | annadane | though i guess it saves you potential headaches later on in case you want x obscure functionality |
| 19:02.18 | annadane | depends on how paranoid you are of non free |
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| 19:03.31 | Guest60 | annadane oh, tx, dat helpful! |
| 19:03.53 | annadane | if you go that route you'll need to be root to run dmesg |
| 19:04.07 | Guest60 | annadane yah, i see error message |
| 19:04.15 | Mathisen | how to check verison of sid package with the bot ? |
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| 19:05.11 | annadane | are you already on sid? |
| 19:05.19 | Guest60 | greycat I have everything working, but how can I understand that for "full" work I installed all non-free software? |
| 19:05.20 | annadane | oh, bot |
| 19:05.24 | annadane | ,v foo |
| 19:05.25 | judd | No package named 'foo' was found in amd64. |
| 19:05.41 | Guest60 | greycat dunn how to explain |
| 19:05.41 | greycat | By testing it to see if it's fully working. |
| 19:05.50 | Guest60 | ._. |
| 19:06.07 | Guest60 | u just killing me |
| 19:06.10 | Mathisen | ,v synaptic |
| 19:06.12 | judd | Package: synaptic on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.75.13; jessie: 0.81.2; buster: 0.84.2; sid: 0.84.2; stretch: 0.84.2 |
| 19:06.19 | Mathisen | thanks |
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| 19:06.43 | annadane | or /msg judd v foo (without the ,) |
| 19:07.10 | Guest60 | annadane can u tell me pls, where i can find dmesg logs? |
| 19:07.20 | Guest60 | brbr |
| 19:07.50 | annadane | i don't remember |
| 19:07.57 | Guest60 | time to reed some manuals. sry for stupid questions |
| 19:08.06 | Guest60 | read* |
| 19:08.09 | Mathisen | Guest60, just run " dmsg > your_file.txt |
| 19:08.35 | Mathisen | dmesg* |
| 19:08.49 | Guest60 | Mathisen [ 6.653873] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i |
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| 19:09.04 | greycat | you will need the rest of that line |
| 19:09.23 | Guest60 | [ 6.653873] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin (-2) |
| 19:09.38 | greycat | ,file kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin |
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| 19:09.42 | judd | Search for kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin in stretch/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin |
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| 19:09.49 | greycat | package firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 19:10.02 | Mathisen | Guest60, i think you want this, run this: dmesg | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw/ |
| 19:10.05 | Mathisen | and give the link |
| 19:10.19 | data_ | Hey greycat, about the backports. Those are no longer updated by the package maintainer, are they? |
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| 19:12.49 | Guest60 | ,file cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin |
| 19:12.52 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 19:13.13 | Guest60 | greycat firmware: failed to load ath10k/cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin |
| 19:13.19 | greycat | !ath10k |
| 19:13.19 | Guest60 | where can i find this? |
| 19:13.19 | dpkg | ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required and not currently packaged (bug #724970), ask me about <ath10k firmware>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath10k #ath10k on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:13.26 | Guest60 | ah |
| 19:13.27 | Guest60 | ok |
| 19:13.42 | greycat | This would fall under "When I try to bring up my wireless interface I get this error..." which you blithely skipped over. |
| 19:13.53 | annadane | bug #724970 |
| 19:14.00 | annadane | dpkg, please. |
| 19:14.00 | dpkg | Do I look like an information bitch, annadane? |
| 19:14.03 | annadane | yes, you do |
| 19:14.39 | greycat | ,bug 724970 |
| 19:14.40 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/724970 in firmware-atheros (closed): «firmware-atheros: firmware for ath10k devices missing»; severity: important; opened: 2013-09-30; last modified: 2015-11-17. |
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| 19:15.17 | annadane | oh, it's judd's responsibility. sorry, dpkg. |
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| 19:18.58 | Guest60 | i must install latest firmware-nonfree or what? |
| 19:19.10 | greycat | You don't "must" do anything at all. |
| 19:19.28 | greycat | Do you care about the wireless interface? No? You said it was a "minimalist" install. Whatever that means. |
| 19:19.30 | annadane | i wonder if there's a way to see what firmware provides what specific functionality |
| 19:19.36 | annadane | next install i may just forego it |
| 19:19.36 | greycat | If you don't use the wireless then you don't need that driver. |
| 19:19.51 | Guest60 | but i now use it |
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| 19:20.12 | yareyare | Hello guys |
| 19:20.12 | greycat | Then read what the bot SAID. Especially the part where it said to ask about atheros firmware or something similar. |
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| 19:23.09 | greycat | (funny kind of "minimalist" ... he's apparently running X *and* using a wireless interface) |
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| 19:24.00 | Guest60 | . _. |
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| 19:46.59 | komali2 | lol, I don't think I've ever managed to successfully use the debian graphical installer to install gnome |
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| 19:47.31 | komali2 | Also, is gnome weirdly big as it's getting apt-get installed? I just blew out my virtual machine's total space and had like 25 gigs allocated to it |
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| 19:47.46 | annadane | errrrr |
| 19:47.53 | komali2 | Weird, right? |
| 19:47.56 | annadane | it's nowhere near 25 GB |
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| 19:48.01 | komali2 | Yea i have no idea wtf |
| 19:48.11 | komali2 | literally just apt-get install gnome |
| 19:48.17 | annadane | before you install something it should tell you how much disk space it's going to take |
| 19:48.18 | komali2 | after doing a bare-bones debian install |
| 19:48.25 | komali2 | lemme check again real quick, about to do it again |
| 19:49.03 | komali2 | Wait, is there a flag for that? apt-get install sudo didn't give me a chance to check size before installing |
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| 19:50.18 | komali2 | "After this operation, 2,748 MB of additional disk space will be used" |
| 19:51.06 | komali2 | So god only knows why my VM exploded. Maybe I misread and it was RAM? I've got 8 gigs allocated but that's max my poor little surface pro can deliver, so maybe the VM trampled all over available RAM |
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| 19:56.13 | data_ | !debian-backports |
| 19:56.13 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 19:56.38 | data_ | !bdo |
| 19:56.38 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 19:56.51 | data_ | !deb-src sid |
| 19:56.51 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 19:56.53 | annadane | data_, feel free to /msg dpkg |
| 19:57.06 | data_ | Oh, sorry. |
| 19:57.11 | data_ | am done now. |
| 19:57.23 | annadane | or join #debian-bots on OFTC |
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| 19:57.49 | data_ | Know how to do tabs in irssi? |
| 19:58.15 | greycat | I bet #irssi does. |
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| 19:59.29 | data_ | Heh. I think i just figured it out. Smash random keys for cli #winning. |
| 20:00.08 | data_ | And now I see why i wasn't getting replies from dpkg. |
| 20:01.21 | komali2 | @data_ alt left/right or alt1,2,3,4 |
| 20:01.30 | komali2 | really "super" not alt so whatever system yoou're on |
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| 20:02.08 | greycat | thought it was Meta, not Super |
| 20:03.01 | data_ | Yeah. that got it. |
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| 20:06.36 | data_ | Huzzah! It was deb-src sid that had what I needed. I feel like i'm actually making progress. |
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| 20:19.21 | Thedarkb-M90 | which libgl do I want for an AMD card? |
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| 20:31.48 | jhutchins | Thedarkb-M90: Not usually something you have to mess with directly. |
| 20:32.10 | Thedarkb-M90 | jhutchins, Well, unfortunately, I'm trying to install steam. |
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| 20:33.06 | wigums | shouldnt it be included in the driver? as in installed by driver installer? |
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| 20:33.45 | jhutchins | wigums: Yeah, or a dependency. |
| 20:33.51 | jhutchins | !steam |
| 20:33.52 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 20:34.39 | 7GHAB4O7E | I find the advice in https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization#Reduction_of_SSD_write_frequency_via_RAMDISK a little confusing. |
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| 20:35.08 | 7GHAB4O7E | Is most of it actually helpful nowadays? |
| 20:35.46 | Thedarkb-M90 | wigums, Steam wants 32 bit libs because most of the games are still 32 bit. |
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| 20:35.57 | Thedarkb-M90 | All of Valve's are still. |
| 20:36.19 | alkisg | 7GHAB4O7E: are you currently using swap? check the output of `free` |
| 20:37.31 | 7GHAB4O7E | I'm not using swap. |
| 20:37.58 | 7GHAB4O7E | I'm setting up an SSD and happened upon the Debian tips about optimizing SSD. |
| 20:38.00 | alkisg | Nevermind I read that too quickly and misunderstood it |
| 20:38.35 | 7GHAB4O7E | I understand what tmpfs and /tmp are, but there is much to the page that I don't understand. |
| 20:38.45 | Thedarkb-M90 | I wonder should I install Lubuntu or something and forgo this hassle. |
| 20:39.57 | 7GHAB4O7E | E.g., my SSD is using SATA, not nvme, should I really use the deadline scheduler? Can't the kernel figure this out itself? |
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| 20:43.57 | Thedarkb-M90 | Yeah, I think I'll just install ubuntu rather than faffing around with multiarch. |
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| 20:46.43 | 7GHAB4O7E | Do I really need to setup trimming manually? |
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| 20:54.44 | 7GHAB4O7E | No, I don't. There is already a trim cron job. |
| 20:54.58 | 7GHAB4O7E | I guess https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization#Reduction_of_SSD_write_frequency_via_RAMDISK is out of date. |
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| 20:58.44 | pfred1 | why can't systemd shut my X session down? |
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| 20:59.02 | Aramis | Thedarkb-M90: have you tried Wine? Works quite well if the games aren't very demanding (or if you have a powerful computer) |
| 20:59.21 | Thedarkb-M90 | I have a westmere i3 and a 256mb Radeon. |
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| 21:00.35 | pfred1 | I guess someone needs to log bug reports against this garbage it might as well be me |
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| 21:51.39 | Achylles | how do I install refracta tools on debian? |
| 21:51.57 | Achylles | is there a sources.list for that? |
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| 22:04.29 | wpostma | i bet most of us have no idea what refracta tools even are. |
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| 22:05.15 | hypn0 | I think it's a collection from devuan :-/ |
| 22:05.49 | wpostma | so if it's meant to work on a non systemd linux, you're gonna have a bad time, Achylles |
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| 22:06.12 | wpostma | Maybe check in #devuan instead of #debian |
| 22:07.20 | Achylles | thx |
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| 22:16.08 | t3st3r | 7GHAB4O7E> using deadline just makes SSDs somewhat faster. It is debatable if kernel should try to turn into full blown AI which always knows better. |
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| 22:22.32 | annadane | i've asked this before and i'm sure i've gotten an answer but i forget so... is there a list of letters which are used for things like: https://paste.debian.net/1010688/ |
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| 22:28.51 | bites | annadane: aptitude docs https://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html |
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| 22:29.35 | annadane | gotcha, thanks |
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| 22:30.16 | annadane | i don't think it lists everything but that's good for most things |
| 22:31.00 | bites | what are you missing? |
| 22:33.08 | annadane | bites, it was a general statement but in that particular case "d" for qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin - "d" is listed in action flag (the package will have x action performed to it - deleted in this case) but i thought the listing of obsolete packages like that were only listed using current state flags |
| 22:33.17 | annadane | that may be a false assumption and the d really does just mean package will be deleted |
| 22:33.32 | annadane | in other words, aptitude uses a combination of both, they're not mutually exclusive, which makes sense |
| 22:35.27 | annadane | but notice how for example "u" is in both current state flag and action flag |
| 22:35.42 | bites | afaik obsolete only means the package is not listed in any package repository that you have enabled. |
| 22:35.53 | annadane | oh! i missed a paragraph. |
| 22:36.02 | annadane | "The four status flags on the left-hand side of the screen give the basic information about a package's state. The first character is the package's current state. The second character is the action which will be taken on the package. The third character indicates whether the package was automatically installed (see the section called âManaging automatically installed packagesâ), and the fourth character indica |
| 22:36.03 | annadane | tes whether the package is trusted (see the section called âUnderstanding and managing package trustâ). " |
| 22:36.12 | annadane | so that's how you're intended to read it. |
| 22:36.47 | annadane | so d in this case means it will be deleted |
| 22:36.53 | annadane | as it appears in the second column |
| 22:37.00 | bites | yes |
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| 22:39.19 | annadane | qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin specifically though is still in sid (this is a sid machine) but it's a transitional package so that's why it's listed |
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| 23:10.30 | fabiob | Hi, I have an application that should start a systemd service only if it's enabled in its configuration file. How can I do that? |
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| 23:11.52 | fabiob | I would need something like ConditionTrue=/usr/local/bin/my-app --is-service-enabled |
| 23:12.49 | fabiob | or just to tell systemd that it's ok my service is shutting down and not to put it in a failed state |
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| 23:33.00 | 7GHAB4O7E | t3st3r: Thanks; in that case, I'll enable it. |
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