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| 00:04.12 | aindilis | could someone please help me with debian 9 mariadb password reset, I can't for the life of me get this |
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| 00:04.56 | anotherone | hey guys |
| 00:05.08 | anotherone | i try to install a package |
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| 00:05.54 | anotherone | which depends on libqt5core5a (>= 5.5.0) |
| 00:05.55 | bazhang | which package |
| 00:06.01 | anotherone | why does this package not get update |
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| 00:07.02 | dvs | ,v libqt5core5a |
| 00:07.03 | judd | Package: libqt5core5a on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2; stretch: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+b1; buster: 5.9.2+dfsg-10; sid: 5.9.2+dfsg-12; experimental: 5.10.1+dfsg-1 |
| 00:07.10 | bazhang | anotherone, which version of debian and what package |
| 00:07.16 | anotherone | just got this |
| 00:07.23 | anotherone | i have to go to version 9 right? |
| 00:07.55 | anotherone | im sorry |
| 00:08.02 | anotherone | thank you guys!!! <3 |
| 00:08.59 | aindilis | can anyone help? |
| 00:09.13 | aindilis | I've reset mysql root passwrds a lot and this is really unbelievable |
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| 00:13.55 | anotherone | ok guys |
| 00:13.59 | wpostma | Has anyone installed Dell OMSA (management stuff) on Debian Stretch? The OMSA repos on their web site don't seem to have OMSA package builds yet, but I wondered if there were pre-release builds somewhere. |
| 00:14.11 | anotherone | i tried to "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:14.14 | anotherone | it worked |
| 00:14.20 | anotherone | now when i boot |
| 00:14.27 | anotherone | it boots in tty |
| 00:14.29 | anotherone | -.- |
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| 00:18.56 | anotherone | https://imgur.com/a/LV2hv |
| 00:18.58 | anotherone | please help |
| 00:19.13 | anotherone | i also removed the windows partition maybe thats the issue? |
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| 00:22.35 | anotherone | anyone plz? |
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| 00:26.16 | g0zzy | You mean it doesn't finish booting? |
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| 00:26.48 | Miguel2013 | can anybody tell me what's a fork |
| 00:27.20 | bazhang | Miguel2013, devuan is a fork of debian without systemd |
| 00:27.39 | Brigo | Miguel2013, when you make a copy of a program and make your own version from there. |
| 00:28.05 | Brigo | anotherone, does it bott in tty? you have a console? |
| 00:28.14 | anotherone | yes |
| 00:28.25 | anotherone | it boots into the tty console |
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| 00:28.59 | anotherone | im kind of freaking out right now |
| 00:29.11 | Brigo | can you login? |
| 00:29.13 | Miguel2013 | Brigo, from the code? |
| 00:29.20 | Brigo | Miguel2013, yes. |
| 00:29.35 | anotherone | Bringo i can log in |
| 00:30.13 | Brigo | what do you do to mess the system? upgrade? what are you using? stretch? |
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| 00:30.59 | anotherone | 1. i had a partition with windows on it and removed it and also the system reserved ntfs partion |
| 00:31.16 | anotherone | 2. i did dist-upgrade |
| 00:31.30 | anotherone | and also i might have been messing around with some qt5 packages |
| 00:31.52 | bazhang | messing around |
| 00:32.00 | bazhang | that would do it |
| 00:32.14 | Brigo | anotherone, are you using stable? why did you upgrade? |
| 00:33.15 | anotherone | i tried to install synergy and libqt5core5a 5.5 was not meet so i tried to download it manually and then i had some dependencies |
| 00:33.29 | anotherone | i didn't realize that i just had to upgrade to stretch |
| 00:34.04 | Brigo | anotherone, so you were using jessie and now you have upgraded to stretch? i am getting lost. |
| 00:34.09 | anotherone | so i uninstalled libqt5core5a and maybe some other dependencies so that i can install libqt5core5a 5.5 and didn't realize that its not debian 8 |
| 00:34.54 | anotherone | after that i did "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:35.10 | anotherone | but now when i boot on the green debian screen it still says debian 8 |
| 00:35.13 | Brigo | anotherone, the most likely problem is you lost graphic driver support. Do you know what driver are you using? |
| 00:35.41 | g0zzy | Fixing it might take longer than getting your data off and reinstalling |
| 00:36.01 | Brigo | apt-get dist-upgrade won't change the debian version unless you modify the sources file /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 00:36.13 | anotherone | no i don't its a carbon x1 i think its a cpu intell graphics thing |
| 00:36.29 | anotherone | should i try to modify the sources.lst? |
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| 00:36.38 | Brigo | anotherone, have you mouse support? |
| 00:36.48 | Brigo | anotherone, not at all. |
| 00:36.49 | anotherone | noep im just in the tty console |
| 00:37.22 | Brigo | you can have mouse support in console with gpm package installed. |
| 00:37.46 | anotherone | should i try that what would that do? |
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| 00:38.45 | anotherone | should i install gpm? |
| 00:39.14 | Brigo | anotherone, not for now. I would like to check your Xorg.conf file, i need you to write in the console this: |
| 00:39.48 | Brigo | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 00:40.06 | Brigo | that will send the file to a server and paste a link i will need. |
| 00:41.03 | anotherone | does this leak something? |
| 00:41.16 | Brigo | anotherone, yes, that file :) |
| 00:41.57 | anotherone | are there some important informations in there like idk i dont want to get leaked? |
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| 00:43.00 | Brigo | anotherone, no. If you want my help i'll need some trust here. |
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| 00:44.10 | anotherone | send you the link via pm |
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| 00:45.10 | Brigo | anotherone, i was wrong it is not the driver, were you using kde? i think you uninstalled it or something very important about it. |
| 00:46.07 | anotherone | no gnome |
| 00:46.50 | anotherone | it must be some qt stuff |
| 00:47.05 | anotherone | and i think i replaced debian 8 qt packages with debian 9 packages |
| 00:48.01 | Brigo | anotherone, that would not be an issue, gnome uses gtk not qt. Check if the gnome packages are still installed with dpkg -l "*gnome*" |
| 00:48.32 | Brigo | the line leading with ii are ok, with other thing not so goo. |
| 00:48.34 | Brigo | good* |
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| 00:48.52 | anotherone | there are some un lines |
| 00:50.06 | anotherone | pm you my output |
| 00:50.13 | Brigo | ok. |
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| 00:50.58 | anotherone | removing the windows partition and the nfts system reserved partition should also be no problem right? |
| 00:51.21 | Brigo | anotherone, it should not be a problem, right. |
| 00:52.06 | Brigo | anotherone, as you can see too, you have uninstalled a bunch of gnome packages, i suggest you install them back. I think the easy way is with apt-get install gnome. |
| 00:53.24 | anotherone | http://termbin.com/12su |
| 00:54.07 | anotherone | i can try to uninstall the packages i installed before |
| 00:54.34 | anotherone | i remember something about the libreoffice packages before |
| 00:55.06 | Brigo | anotherone, yes, try aptitude, it will give you some selections you may like. |
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| 00:58.00 | anotherone | http://termbin.com/krmf |
| 00:58.02 | anotherone | is what im getting |
| 00:58.08 | anotherone | but if i hit yes |
| 00:58.17 | anotherone | and do it again the same thing comes |
| 00:59.00 | radio_nowhere | Is laptop-mode-tools still the gold standard for laptops? I was a little surprised it wasn't a dependency of task-laptop. |
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| 01:00.21 | anotherone | maybe i should just try uninstall some of the packages i installed before untill i can install gnome again? |
| 01:00.39 | Brigo | anotherone, i think it could help |
| 01:01.12 | Brigo | anotherone, just for you information, don't install packages from outside debian. You'll break your system. |
| 01:01.16 | Brigo | !frankendebian |
| 01:01.16 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 01:03.03 | anotherone | ill fore sure never do that again |
| 01:03.07 | anotherone | :/ |
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| 01:08.03 | anotherone | rip |
| 01:08.08 | Faun | hi, anyone experiencing issues with Gimp on Debian sid? |
| 01:08.23 | anotherone | "apt-get: command not found |
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| 01:08.53 | anotherone | apt-get autoremove gcc-8-base: amd64 was not good |
| 01:08.57 | anotherone | fml |
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| 01:11.13 | Brigo | anotherone, that was it? the only package you installed? |
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| 01:11.24 | anotherone | noep |
| 01:11.27 | anotherone | but i uninstalled it |
| 01:11.35 | anotherone | now i dont even have apt-get anymore |
| 01:11.47 | Brigo | try apt-get install gnome-core and paste the output |
| 01:12.09 | anotherone | zsh: command not found: apt-get |
| 01:12.11 | Brigo | and aptitude? |
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| 01:12.40 | anotherone | noep |
| 01:12.41 | anotherone | omg |
| 01:12.43 | anotherone | fuck me |
| 01:12.47 | Brigo | isn¡t there /usr/bin/apt-get ? |
| 01:12.58 | bazhang | anotherone, language please |
| 01:13.35 | anotherone | noep |
| 01:13.38 | anotherone | sorry bazhang |
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| 01:14.54 | anotherone | can you just help me i noticed i need to do a git push |
| 01:15.11 | anotherone | and it says |
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| 01:18.49 | anotherone | like random in my input line |
| 01:19.51 | Brigo | anotherone, sorry, i have to go. |
| 01:20.20 | anotherone | wtf |
| 01:20.23 | anotherone | did you hack me? xD |
| 01:21.35 | awal1 | :D |
| 01:22.11 | awal1 | anotherone, your solution is so easy |
| 01:22.25 | anotherone | what is it? |
| 01:22.33 | awal1 | do you have important data in that broken system? |
| 01:22.48 | Miguel2013 | what do u mean by system |
| 01:22.59 | Miguel2013 | the OS the computer or the state of utah |
| 01:23.13 | anotherone | i just noticed i have to get one folder of that pc |
| 01:23.16 | anotherone | or make a git push |
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| 01:23.21 | anotherone | thats my biggest issue |
| 01:23.50 | awal1 | anotherone: your easy solution is : reinstall after making a back-up of that |
| 01:23.50 | Brigo | good luck anotherone. |
| 01:24.05 | anotherone | thanks guys |
| 01:24.25 | awal1 | you'll lose more and more time trying to fix your system than reinstall |
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| 01:30.09 | Faun | anotherone, perhaps your system isn't resolving the address for bitbucket.org |
| 01:30.19 | Faun | can you check the output for |
| 01:30.26 | Faun | $ nslookup bitbucket.org |
| 01:31.05 | anotherone | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 01:31.22 | anotherone | if config shows only lo interface |
| 01:31.29 | Faun | anotherone, can you add the following line at the start of the /etc/resolv.conf file? |
| 01:31.40 | Faun | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 01:31.57 | anotherone | im connected trough wifi |
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| 01:32.25 | Faun | ah ok, sorry, but are you talking about the same host you are chatting from? |
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| 01:32.48 | anotherone | noep |
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| 01:33.55 | anotherone | why do i only have the lo interface? |
| 01:33.56 | anotherone | omg |
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| 01:45.04 | anotherone | guys |
| 01:45.11 | anotherone | im a real noob without my gui |
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| 01:45.19 | anotherone | i plugged in a usb |
| 01:45.25 | anotherone | did |
| 01:45.30 | pav | ok anotherone |
| 01:45.32 | pav | calm down |
| 01:45.47 | anotherone | sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/usb |
| 01:45.56 | anotherone | how can i write onto the usb stick now? |
| 01:46.20 | anotherone | if i do echo "test" > test.txt |
| 01:46.25 | anotherone | i get permission denied |
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| 01:51.07 | pav | anotherone: what do you want to acomplish ? |
| 01:53.15 | pav | if you want to write then 'sudo echo "test" > test.txt' instead [02:46:19] <anotherone> if i do echo "test" > test.txt |
| 01:53.15 | pav | [02:46:20] * Faun has quit (Quit: Leaving) |
| 01:53.15 | pav | [02:46:24] <anotherone> i get permission denied |
| 01:53.41 | anotherone | nvm it only had root access |
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| 02:23.21 | Miguel2013 | pav, it works on windows 10 too |
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| 02:51.35 | hanasaki | how do you get a debian iso onto a specific usb partition so it will boot? |
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| 02:52.03 | themill | The installer doesn't like that |
| 02:52.13 | hanasaki | :( |
| 02:52.37 | hanasaki | objective is to make a bootable usb stick with refind and the debian ISO |
| 02:53.41 | klys | then dd the debian iso right onto the usb disk and forget refind. |
| 02:54.11 | hanasaki | refind needed because the uefi of the pc and debian ISO are not friends |
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| 02:54.53 | hanasaki | refind usb boots fine. debian iso boots fine on many machines however hangs on this box |
| 02:54.59 | themill | in what way? The installer should work just fine from UEFI (although not secure boot) |
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| 02:55.35 | hanasaki | think its all the "stuff" about apollo lake cpus |
| 02:55.36 | klys | so turn off secure boot in your firmware and try again :) |
| 02:55.44 | hanasaki | klys: already tried. |
| 02:56.53 | klys | where did it freeze? did you see your boot prompt? |
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| 02:57.20 | hanasaki | nope |
| 02:57.30 | hanasaki | just a underscore in the top left corner of screen |
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| 02:58.35 | hanasaki | looks like the issue that isorespin is supposed to fix.. however respin doesn't work on debian |
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| 03:01.51 | klys | hanasaki does your system support bios "legacy boot?" |
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| 03:02.43 | hanasaki | yes. however that hangs on the underscore too. it has CSM mode |
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| 03:03.29 | hanasaki | seriously... does uefi really have any major benefits? haven't had boot issues with computers for years with bios |
| 03:04.52 | hanasaki | on another note.... INFO: task systemd-udevd:2835 blocked for more than 120 seconds while writing to usb stick with DD |
| 03:06.03 | klys | it is mostly there for securitu reasons, though GPT gives you more partitions and access to > 3 GiB disks. |
| 03:07.00 | hanasaki | looks like a place for vius' to live too |
| 03:07.11 | awal1 | klys, elaborate your arguments :P |
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| 03:09.20 | klys | awal1, UEFI is there mostly to block physical access to the windows boot process, as it enables a "secure boot" mode where only operating systems signed by approved vendors may execute boot code. |
| 03:10.39 | klys | awal1, GPT partitioning allows hundreds of partitions, see the wiki page on it. |
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| 03:11.56 | awal1 | klys, aware about that yet, yeah, my suggestion was almost for hanasaki, |
| 03:11.56 | klys | awal1, I had to use GPT when I got a 4 TiB disk. My 3 TiB disk worked okay with MBR though. |
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| 03:12.33 | awal1 | apart gpt stuff, for linux i no see/read interesting stuff about security |
| 03:13.58 | klys | a lot of the folks in #osdev seem to think UEFI is futuristic. if you want a compelling reason to use UEFI with Linux perhaps ask there. |
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| 03:22.53 | hanasaki | so in CSM legacy mode. debian iso will not boot. same usb stick boots on another machine fine |
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| 03:24.59 | klys | did you get an underscore again? |
| 03:25.12 | hanasaki | yup |
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| 03:26.09 | klys | as long as you still have w64 bootable make sure you've updated your firmware to the latest version available from your manufacturer's support site. |
| 03:26.18 | hanasaki | already done |
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| 03:27.44 | klys | hanasaki, what is the make/model of your machine? |
| 03:27.54 | hanasaki | kodlinx n400 |
| 03:28.01 | hanasaki | looking at this page http://www.kodlix.com/601/ |
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| 03:29.13 | hanasaki | those dir's don't look like a current debian and how would it boot without a boot sector? |
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| 03:31.15 | klys | want to try something simpler like booting freedos off usb? if so you can come to #freedos |
| 03:31.57 | hanasaki | klys: sure... however what good does that do me? |
| 03:32.58 | klys | hanasaki, well it would verify that your CSM is working properly and get you up and running with GRUB4DOS. |
| 03:35.50 | hanasaki | searching around... issue seems to be that debian's boot for uefi and apollo lake are unhappy together. thus the refind booter |
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| 03:40.08 | klys | wb. somehow I forget that this is oftc.net and mentioned a channel on freenode. you get the idea. |
| 03:40.22 | hanasaki | yup |
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| 03:40.47 | hanasaki | klys: appreciate the help. really the issue is the apollo :( |
| 03:41.31 | klys | there are several bootloaders available |
| 03:43.34 | klys | grub, grub2, grub-efi, grub4dos, lilo, clover, extlinux, syslinux, loadlin, are some of the ones that come to mind. |
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| 03:45.23 | hanasaki | right. refind also. and it boots fine. the issue is getting the iso of debian onto /dev/sdc2 or 5 bootable. cannot just dd it since it is a diskimage |
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| 03:46.04 | klys | what can you boot to with refind? does it support kernels? dos? |
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| 03:54.58 | hanasaki | any idea why copying to usb stick . files or dd causes INFO: task systemd-udevd:2835 blocked for more than 120 seconds. and reboot |
| 03:56.00 | klys | some idea why the error message, no idea why the reboot. shouldn't be a fatal error. |
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| 04:17.28 | transhuman | Hi, is there an easy way to limit the memory consumed by libreoffice but allow it to take up swap after a certain amount. thing has a terrible memory leak |
| 04:25.33 | somiaj | well there is ulimit and cgroups as ways to limit memeory. I don't think you can limit it with swap as you described. Or at least I'm not seeing a way. |
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| 05:50.58 | TxLinux | have a wierd issue. THe directory the user are trying to access has all rights enabled and they are part of the group but it keeps give me accessed denied. This is a external drive on a raspberry pi. |
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| 05:52.10 | esainane | Is the volume mounted read only? |
| 05:53.46 | TxLinux | https://pastebin.com/3i79uEHM |
| 05:54.18 | TxLinux | the pi user can read and write to it |
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| 05:54.53 | TxLinux | i am a noob please be pateint |
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| 05:56.18 | TxLinux | anyfiles i should check. i dont even see a listing in the fstab for it |
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| 06:05.11 | somiaj | TxLinux: you should share the permisions of the directory pi/music/share and pi/music/share/FTP, you only have the permisions of the . directory in your paste |
| 06:05.34 | somiaj | also pastebin.com has to many adds, paste.debian.net is an alternative. |
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| 06:11.22 | TxLinux | http://paste.debian.net/1010809/ |
| 06:11.51 | TxLinux | i like the paste.debian.net |
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| 06:12.40 | TxLinux | work well with firefox |
| 06:18.56 | TxLinux | though in gparted the drive shows mounted correct |
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| 06:25.42 | born84 | whats the simplest way to reinstall debian without any cd/dvd or usb? i last installed from the win32-loader, which seemed to load a small install to ram and let me install from there, can i do that somehow? |
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| 06:26.48 | TxLinux | not able to do that on pi |
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| 06:26.59 | TxLinux | raspberry pi |
| 06:27.24 | TxLinux | at least i dont know how |
| 06:28.57 | alkisg | born84: sure, if you have windows, then you can use win32-loader to netinstall |
| 06:29.20 | born84 | alkisg: i only have this current install, which is a debian install |
| 06:30.02 | alkisg | You can put a grub entry for that same kernel/initrd that win32-loader uses, although I don't know them offhand |
| 06:30.39 | TxLinux | dont want to reinstall i have more than 40 hours setup on this machine |
| 06:31.07 | born84 | alkisg: yes, im looking into doing that (initrd right?), that seems to be the same way the win32-loader does it but im research more before adding stuff to /boot |
| 06:31.21 | born84 | this looks like what i need: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 06:31.47 | TxLinux | would you like to remote look on the machine |
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| 06:32.50 | TxLinux | if you have remote desktop loaded it will give tyou the address and port |
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| 06:48.28 | alkisg | born84: do you want to install to the same partition, or to another partition? |
| 06:49.31 | TxLinux | it is only a 16gb microsd |
| 06:49.53 | alkisg | TxLinux: are we talking about born84? |
| 06:49.58 | somiaj | TxLinux: so far things look fine, I didn't see the permisions for teh FTP directory though. |
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| 06:50.32 | TxLinux | oh sorry |
| 06:50.49 | somiaj | TxLinux: the output of mount could also be useful. |
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| 06:51.57 | alkisg | (07:50:58 Ïμ) TxLinux: have a wierd issue. THe directory the user are trying to access has all rights enabled and they are part of the group but it keeps give me accessed denied. This is a external drive on a raspberry pi. ==> the /media/pi point is usually mode=700, prohibiting other users |
| 06:53.08 | alkisg | I.e. the problem isn't /media/pi/music, but /media/pi |
| 06:55.16 | TxLinux | can i change that or is it a limitation of the pi |
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| 06:55.51 | alkisg | Sure, just chmod that dir. What file system is that partition, ext4? |
| 06:55.59 | TxLinux | yes |
| 06:56.11 | TxLinux | ext4 |
| 06:57.03 | alkisg | (sudo) chmod 755 /media/pi |
| 06:57.27 | TxLinux | would i use this command .... sudo chmod a+rwx /media/pi |
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| 06:59.07 | TxLinux | it worked i am going to buy you a beer |
| 06:59.13 | TxLinux | thanks |
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| 07:00.29 | TxLinux | where should i send it....hehehehh |
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| 07:03.38 | adso | anyone know any decent resources for learning more about /var/log, and some of the specific log files and what certain entries/patterns are about? |
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| 07:14.53 | alkisg | adso: that would depend on the application writing the log, so you'd need to be more specific. Probably in the application sources. |
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| 07:36.56 | rant | adso: /var/log was largely deprecated by journalctl |
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| 07:44.33 | NoxiousPluK | I have a freshly installed Debian machine with xorg-video-noveau, xinit and awesome installed |
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| 07:44.55 | NoxiousPluK | When I start Awesome and then run 'wicd-client &' from a terminal, the wicd-client window has no window decorations |
| 07:45.02 | NoxiousPluK | It can not be moved or even closed |
| 07:45.09 | NoxiousPluK | Anyone ideas on that? |
| 07:45.38 | NoxiousPluK | (AwesomeWM is in Tiling mode) |
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| 07:49.09 | somiaj | NoxiousPluK: other windows get decorated just fine? |
| 07:49.31 | NoxiousPluK | somiaj: the terminal (Terminator) and Chromium have no issue |
| 07:49.35 | NoxiousPluK | uploading a screenshot |
| 07:49.50 | NoxiousPluK | https://i.imgur.com/juq2fFq.png |
| 07:50.01 | somiaj | I don't know awesome, but wonder if there is some flag/state the wicd window is set to and awesome is not decorating it. |
| 07:50.26 | somiaj | you can run xprop on the window to get more info from the window |
| 07:50.26 | NoxiousPluK | I've had this issue before in Fluxbox many years ago... But I forgot how I fixed it |
| 07:50.46 | somiaj | the fix probably deals with the configuration of the wm you are using |
| 07:52.44 | NoxiousPluK | http://pastebin.com/raw/dzFPNYc4 is the xprop output btw |
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| 07:54.30 | NoxiousPluK | I've been searching Google for the past 4 hours but did not find anything close to a solution yet |
| 07:56.16 | NoxiousPluK | oh. what |
| 07:56.23 | NoxiousPluK | it actually does have window decorations |
| 07:56.32 | NoxiousPluK | but it spawns below the dock / above the monitor top |
| 07:56.43 | NoxiousPluK | if I try to resize the application it fixes itself.. |
| 07:56.58 | somiaj | are you trying to making it smaller? |
| 07:57.12 | somiaj | the xprop info has the window has a minimum size |
| 07:57.43 | NoxiousPluK | I was actually trying to make it bigger, and somehow it then detects its outside of the monitors boundaries and resets its position |
| 07:57.53 | NoxiousPluK | it suddenly 'snaps' about ~100 pixels lower |
| 07:58.33 | NoxiousPluK | heh, odd |
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| 07:58.52 | NoxiousPluK | well, I feel a bit silly - but much thanks |
| 07:59.19 | NoxiousPluK | *closes about 70 tabs* |
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| 08:16.39 | adso | anyone here using a purism librem laptop, or have any strong opinions about their offerings? |
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| 08:33.14 | Bliss9 | adso, looks interesting but persoanlly I'd go with system76 laptops |
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| 09:22.04 | oo_migue1 | Somehing bad happened to chromium.. It hangs every time I try to install any chrome extension |
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| 09:25.05 | kirk781 | Hello |
| 09:25.20 | bazhang | hi |
| 09:25.24 | pmarkoulidakis | oo_migue1 does chromium log smth? |
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| 09:26.22 | kirk781 | I had logged in to many sites[saved logins] in Chromium under Cinnamon. I recently installed Plasma. Now, the browser is asking to login all over again everywhere when running under the new desktop environment. This issue seems to only be restricted to Plasma/KDE[not affecting Budgie/LXqt or others]? |
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| 09:27.53 | kirk781 | The issue isn't unique to Chromium either. Vivaldi also suffers from the same under Plamsa. Does it have something to do with the KDE Wallet[it asks for unlocking at every start?] |
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| 10:49.04 | EnchanterTim | What is a security focused laptop |
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| 10:50.50 | EnchanterTim | I wouldn't use KDE if you gave me money. |
| 10:51.20 | EnchanterTim | The computer hardware and software developed by Purism is the most rights-respecting it can be today, while still being able to compete with the highest end competitors, such as Dell, HP, Lenovo, or Apple. |
| 10:52.46 | EnchanterTim | An operating system that respects your rights to privacy, security, and freedom, by design |
| 10:52.52 | EnchanterTim | 1) No such things as rights. |
| 10:52.57 | EnchanterTim | 2) No such thign as privacy |
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| 10:53.08 | EnchanterTim | 3) No such thing as security and freedom. |
| 10:53.29 | EnchanterTim | Man. Blows my mind how people just jump on something and go with it, catering to the super paranoid. |
| 10:53.38 | EnchanterTim | First you generate a demand for your silly products by fear ongering |
| 10:53.48 | EnchanterTim | Then you sell your products to the fearful public. |
| 10:54.09 | EnchanterTim | Eh. Go on. Do you thing. Spend you rmoney on "secure" laptops and "free" operating systems. |
| 10:54.23 | EnchanterTim | I wonder how many poeple actually care about the "freedom" of software that they are using |
| 10:55.11 | EnchanterTim | 0.001% of the total userbase bothers to edit the source code to make software function as they want, otherwise 99.99% of the people in the linux world are just as happy to use distros and packages put together by someone else. |
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| 10:56.00 | EnchanterTim | So, in the philosophy, allt his open and free stuff may matter, but when it actually comes to everyday regular use, the regular user doesn't care if his software is open or not, gratis or not, he's only concerned with having a system that works and get his work done. |
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| 10:56.13 | blackflow | without that freedom, there would be no legal grounds and companies could simply close up the source and start charging you big bucks. even if 0.001%, as you say, do care, the entire concept, and legal grounds of it, is very important. offtopic here, tho'. |
| 10:56.49 | EnchanterTim | Freedom. |
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| 10:56.59 | EnchanterTim | Freedom to do as the distro dictates. |
| 10:57.03 | EnchanterTim | Epic lulz. |
| 10:57.11 | blackflow | you have the source, do what you will. offtopic. |
| 10:57.25 | EnchanterTim | yeah,t hat's not somethign that pans out for everyone. |
| 10:57.30 | EnchanterTim | 1) Not everyone is a programmer |
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| 10:57.36 | EnchanterTim | 2) Not everyone even wants to be one. |
| 10:57.38 | blackflow | but they haven't lost their freedom. |
| 10:57.50 | EnchanterTim | What if the freedom is an illusion to begin with? |
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| 10:57.53 | blackflow | I'm free to take dance classes, there's no law prohibiting it. But I don't care about dancing. |
| 10:58.05 | EnchanterTim | That's precisely my point. |
| 10:58.33 | blackflow | they day dancing will be outlawed, will be a very, very, very sad day. and again, offtopic here. $.02 |
| 10:58.38 | blackflow | *the |
| 10:58.52 | EnchanterTim | You're seriouysly tryin to police my speech and behavior |
| 10:59.02 | EnchanterTim | That is the third time you've mentioned 'offtopic' |
| 10:59.06 | EnchanterTim | Feel free not to discuss anythign with me. |
| 10:59.06 | blackflow | oh, no. I'm just warning you before you get kickbanned. |
| 10:59.09 | EnchanterTim | Have a great day |
| 10:59.10 | EnchanterTim | So what? |
| 10:59.10 | blackflow | (not by me) |
| 10:59.14 | EnchanterTim | Get kicked buddy. |
| 10:59.27 | EnchanterTim | So what? I can't be a free man and speak feely ? |
| 10:59.31 | EnchanterTim | Yeah. Told ya. |
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| 10:59.39 | EnchanterTim | This freedom talk is all nonsnese among kids. |
| 10:59.44 | EnchanterTim | There is no freedom. |
| 10:59.45 | blackflow | sure, not in this channel. otherwise entire freenode could come in and there'd be hundreds of posts per second. |
| 10:59.56 | EnchanterTim | You continue to want to police my language and behavior and I simply will not have it. |
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| 11:00.03 | EnchanterTim | I've been booted from here over the past 12 years, countless times. |
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| 11:00.23 | blackflow | not policing your behavior, but flow of information. entire internet is based on routing and flow control. |
| 11:00.24 | EnchanterTim | I dont' care. I'm not goign to have my freedom savagely curtailed because someone repeats the magical offftoic spell thrice. |
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| 11:00.51 | blackflow | this information flow is offtopic to #debian and should be re-routed elsewhere. if you ahve a problem with that, stop using the internet, becaues it is based on that very core rule. |
| 11:00.59 | alkisg | Freedom is having the right to go into some channels and NOT listen to whatever rants one needs to get out of his system. So now you're violating my freedon, EnchanterTim :) |
| 11:01.00 | EnchanterTim | Oh, my gooddness |
| 11:01.04 | EnchanterTim | Why is this not ##linux? |
| 11:01.15 | EnchanterTim | That's what I'm wondring, you are not a linux regular who are you? |
| 11:01.16 | EnchanterTim | lol.. |
| 11:01.26 | EnchanterTim | Jeezus. I swear. What a goofy mistake! |
| 11:01.28 | EnchanterTim | hahaha. |
| 11:01.51 | hypn0 | I have a suggestion, why not both take an hour off irc :-) |
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| 11:02.04 | EnchanterTim | Or just join the right channel! |
| 11:02.05 | EnchanterTim | Haha. |
| 11:02.17 | BluesKaj | 'Morning |
| 11:02.21 | EnchanterTim | ahh boy. My excuse? I woke up early at 3am. half alive. |
| 11:02.26 | alkisg | haha |
| 11:02.35 | alkisg | buys EnchanterTim a coffee.. |
| 11:02.39 | EnchanterTim | Ty |
| 11:03.32 | EnchanterTim | Anyway, I thought I was in ##linux. Licensing talk is not offtopic there. Doh. |
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| 11:05.22 | EnchanterTim | If you had 8 gb of ram, how much would you compress using ZRAM? |
| 11:05.36 | EnchanterTim | quad core cpu |
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| 11:06.40 | BluesKaj | why? |
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| 11:07.08 | alkisg | Isn't that automatic & dynamic nowadays, when zram is used? |
| 11:07.26 | EnchanterTim | I think you have to define how much ram you want to compress by making a ram device |
| 11:07.32 | EnchanterTim | I have 2x 2gb |
| 11:07.39 | EnchanterTim | I compress 4gb of 8gb ram. |
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| 11:08.15 | alkisg | afaik modprobe zram should be enough; i haven't used it in a while though... |
| 11:09.02 | EnchanterTim | https://gist.github.com/atirjavid/ec70dd1317e20d89c5f56a125af40fe9 |
| 11:10.25 | EnchanterTim | What I makde 3gb devices each, compress 6gb out of 8gb |
| 11:10.45 | EnchanterTim | After booting sytem, xmoand, xorg, cli tools, all my programs, I am using 255mb of ram. |
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| 11:11.04 | EnchanterTim | I start up chromium, and it takes 700mb of ram. If I open more tabs, memory usage goes up |
| 11:11.12 | EnchanterTim | So it's mostly only chromeium taking up most of the ram. |
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| 11:11.24 | EnchanterTim | My total non chromium system usage of ram is 250mb to 300mb total. |
| 11:11.33 | EnchanterTim | So maybe I can compress up to 6gb in zram. |
| 11:11.35 | EnchanterTim | perhaps. |
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| 11:16.38 | jelly-home | EnchanterTim, you can get 2:1-3:1 compression, so if you're going to convert 6GB to zram swap, you can make 2-3 devices with a total of 12GB size easily. |
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| 11:20.34 | EnchanterTim | nice |
| 11:20.42 | EnchanterTim | jelly-home: btw, the problem with chromium/html select went away |
| 11:20.45 | EnchanterTim | no idea how. |
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| 12:03.40 | qeyoa | I'm on debian buster and the default eclipse package is 3.8 (6 year old version?). Is this the newest version available? |
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| 12:06.20 | themill | eclipse seems to be impossible to maintain, so yes |
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| 12:09.32 | qeyoa | Is netbeans in the same situation? |
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| 12:19.58 | EnchanterTim | You use netbeans |
| 12:20.55 | EnchanterTim | latest netbeans is 8.2 |
| 12:20.58 | EnchanterTim | debian has 8.1 |
| 12:21.40 | EnchanterTim | But you can install default-jre package and get netbeans from their website. It's an .sh script that installs netbeans to any directory. I install in ~/bin/ |
| 12:23.14 | qeyoa | hm, probably not worth the hassle |
| 12:23.21 | EnchanterTim | It's no hassle. |
| 12:23.23 | qeyoa | since the current 8.1 version has some problems |
| 12:23.24 | EnchanterTim | Stable gets old fast. |
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| 12:23.27 | qeyoa | with the font rendering |
| 12:23.40 | EnchanterTim | Java font rendering, across all java apps |
| 12:23.45 | EnchanterTim | what's the problem |
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| 12:23.51 | qeyoa | i can't read anything |
| 12:23.56 | EnchanterTim | why? |
| 12:23.56 | qeyoa | it's so grainy |
| 12:24.07 | qeyoa | it's not possible to read the text |
| 12:24.13 | EnchanterTim | yeah. I once enabled font smoothing |
| 12:24.25 | EnchanterTim | it's a java awt option you have to pass in your netbeans start bash script |
| 12:24.29 | EnchanterTim | hang on |
| 12:24.35 | EnchanterTim | I might have some old files |
| 12:25.32 | EnchanterTim | hang on, taking a while |
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| 12:27.53 | EnchanterTim | netbeans_default_options="-J-client -J-Xss2m -J-Xms32m -J-Dapple.laf.useScreenMenuBar=true -J-Dapple.awt.graphics.UseQuartz=true -J-Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true -J-Dsun.java2d.dpiaware=true -J-Dsun.zip.disableMemoryMapping=true -J-Dswing.aatext=true -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd --nosplash --fontsize 10" |
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| 12:28.04 | EnchanterTim | I put this into my netbeans/etc/netbeans.conf |
| 12:28.12 | EnchanterTim | Then I also do export _JAVA_OPTIONS='-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true' |
| 12:28.17 | EnchanterTim | for my .bashrc |
| 12:28.23 | EnchanterTim | Then fonts are okay. |
| 12:28.25 | qeyoa | do i pass the first one directly |
| 12:28.26 | EnchanterTim | Try this and let me know |
| 12:28.33 | EnchanterTim | hang on |
| 12:28.34 | qeyoa | does it have to be in the config file |
| 12:28.37 | EnchanterTim | hang on |
| 12:28.50 | EnchanterTim | export _JAVA_OPTIONS='-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true' <- first put this export into your bashrc |
| 12:28.55 | EnchanterTim | or export it on command line. |
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| 12:29.30 | EnchanterTim | Then find and edit your netbeans.conf file (if like myself, you installed into ~/bin/netbeans/, then it would be ~/bin/netbeans/etc/netbeans.conf |
| 12:29.45 | EnchanterTim | In this file, you will put this long line I gave you with the netbeans_default_options |
| 12:29.52 | EnchanterTim | those two things you need to do |
| 12:30.53 | EnchanterTim | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1010833 <- this is what the netbeans.conf file should look like |
| 12:31.15 | EnchanterTim | Feel free to omit the options fromt he long line as you see fit. |
| 12:31.21 | EnchanterTim | That is just my own config |
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| 12:32.24 | EnchanterTim | stoned@stoned-desktop - ~/bin - [master !x?]- |
| 12:32.25 | EnchanterTim | $ ./netbeans |
| 12:32.25 | EnchanterTim | Picked up _JAVA_OPTIONS: -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true |
| 12:32.32 | EnchanterTim | launching to confirm my fonts display |
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| 12:33.37 | qeyoa | does it also have this weird coloration as i on an old crt monitor |
| 12:33.41 | qeyoa | for you? |
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| 12:36.21 | EnchanterTim | I can't test. |
| 12:36.22 | EnchanterTim | Sorry |
| 12:36.25 | EnchanterTim | https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions#Problems_with_Java_applications.2C_Applet_java_console |
| 12:36.31 | EnchanterTim | I am trying to battle my own problems. |
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| 12:36.40 | EnchanterTim | There are two classes of problems: blank, grey windows and windows that can't be focused for keyboard input. |
| 12:36.47 | EnchanterTim | I have blank windows under Xmonad and java apps |
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| 12:37.19 | EnchanterTim | Also, I only have LCD monitor |
| 12:37.38 | EnchanterTim | The Java gui toolkit has a hardcoded list of so-called "non-reparenting" window managers. xmonad is not on this list (nor are many of the newer window managers). |
| 12:37.51 | qeyoa | my monitor is also also lcd |
| 12:37.54 | qeyoa | i'm just saying |
| 12:38.05 | qeyoa | that while your provided setup helps |
| 12:38.24 | qeyoa | the text has this very strange coloration effect |
| 12:38.30 | EnchanterTim | Hang on |
| 12:38.53 | qeyoa | so i was wondering if this was the case for you also |
| 12:39.07 | EnchanterTim | got it, hang on |
| 12:39.12 | EnchanterTim | If you are using openjdk6 >= 1.6.1, the cleanest way to work around the hardcoded list is to warn the vm that xmonad is non-reparenting by exporting the appropriate environment variable: |
| 12:39.16 | EnchanterTim | _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1 |
| 12:39.20 | EnchanterTim | That fixed it, let me see how my fonts look |
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| 12:39.32 | EnchanterTim | sec |
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| 12:45.21 | EnchanterTim | finally, let's see if you're taling about whatever let me open a file |
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| 12:47.03 | EnchanterTim | ok. Right now, I have installd netbeans 8.2 freshly |
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| 12:47.22 | EnchanterTim | qeyoa: I have exported the env variable for fonts as I advised you |
| 12:47.32 | EnchanterTim | quenode: I have not modified my netbeans.conf yet |
| 12:47.37 | EnchanterTim | current netbeans options: netbeans_default_options="-J-client -J-Xss2m -J-Xms32m -J-Dapple.laf.useScreenMenuBar=true -J-Dapple.awt.graphics.UseQuartz=true -J-Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true -J-Dsun.java2d.dpiaware=true -J-Dsun.zip.disableMemoryM |
| 12:47.50 | EnchanterTim | and here's what my window/fonts look like |
| 12:48.12 | EnchanterTim | qeyoa: https://i.imgur.com/PgNKqUq.jpg |
| 12:48.35 | EnchanterTim | Maybe the jpeg quality looks goofy, hang on, I'll modify my screenshot script t make png instead |
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| 12:50.55 | qeyoa | :D |
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| 12:53.26 | EnchanterTim | ok |
| 12:53.32 | EnchanterTim | qeyoa: https://i.imgur.com/hnvdXoG.png |
| 12:53.40 | EnchanterTim | that's what my fonts look like |
| 12:53.51 | EnchanterTim | Now I'm going to enable the custom settings in netbeans.conf |
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| 12:56.05 | EnchanterTim | qeyoa: https://i.imgur.com/MLLV1Cl.png |
| 12:56.19 | EnchanterTim | So, with the options I told you, I see what you mean, kind of. |
| 12:56.32 | EnchanterTim | Ok. That to me looks like LCD RGB options |
| 12:56.40 | EnchanterTim | let's take that out of our netbeans options and try again |
| 12:57.07 | EnchanterTim | -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd |
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| 12:57.23 | EnchanterTim | Try without that option and see if the subtle coloring on font/letting is still th ere |
| 12:57.30 | qeyoa | do you happen to know where the config file is for the 8.2 version installed by script |
| 12:57.46 | qeyoa | for the native package it's in /etc/netbeans.config |
| 12:58.06 | qeyoa | but i'm not sure how's that file called |
| 12:58.14 | qeyoa | when i install netbeans with the script |
| 12:58.40 | EnchanterTim | https://i.imgur.com/GcIHQcz.png |
| 12:58.53 | EnchanterTim | So, w/o the LCD option, fonts are little bit jagged, but still radable. |
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| 12:59.04 | EnchanterTim | I mostly use bitmap fonts like Fixed or clear or terminus |
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| 12:59.10 | EnchanterTim | they look fine everywhere, crisp |
| 12:59.21 | EnchanterTim | yes, depending on where you installed it using the script |
| 12:59.32 | EnchanterTim | it would be in your netbeans install directory/etc/netbeans.conf |
| 12:59.54 | EnchanterTim | I install netbeans in ~/bin/ |
| 13:00.04 | EnchanterTim | mine is ~/bin/netbeans-8.2/etc/netbeans.conf |
| 13:00.10 | qeyoa | ah ok |
| 13:01.23 | EnchanterTim | here's something goofy |
| 13:01.35 | EnchanterTim | https://i.imgur.com/XgDR0CE.png |
| 13:01.43 | EnchanterTim | Look at the difference in fonts |
| 13:01.53 | EnchanterTim | Same font, rendres beautifully smoothly inside the java awt box |
| 13:02.09 | qeyoa | the coloring stuff looks slightly better |
| 13:02.10 | EnchanterTim | but when it comes to rendering it in the actual text editing part of it, font becomes jagged, not smoothed |
| 13:02.15 | EnchanterTim | yeah |
| 13:02.18 | qeyoa | when in dark mode |
| 13:02.24 | EnchanterTim | Now I remeber when I left the LCD option back on |
| 13:02.27 | EnchanterTim | and used dark colors |
| 13:02.29 | EnchanterTim | that's exactly why |
| 13:02.35 | EnchanterTim | I get high and forget sometimes |
| 13:02.42 | EnchanterTim | but then I get stoned and I remember it again. It's awesome. |
| 13:02.45 | qeyoa | i will try to add solorized font |
| 13:02.51 | EnchanterTim | try a few things |
| 13:02.58 | EnchanterTim | Now you know what to do, look around in java options |
| 13:03.24 | EnchanterTim | ask the ##java folks (they only help with proramming) so that's how I asked/approached them, hey, I'm trying to code a java thing and font look stupid, help me! |
| 13:03.39 | EnchanterTim | etc. soehow y ears ago fi gured this out, then I stoped using netbeans and use command line editors. |
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| 13:04.43 | qeyoa | i use emacs for haskell |
| 13:04.52 | qeyoa | but using emacs for java is not that great |
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| 13:06.40 | EnchanterTim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.44 | EnchanterTim | in java options |
| 13:06.49 | EnchanterTim | or sicne java is using system options now |
| 13:06.59 | EnchanterTim | you can try to modify sub pixel rendering in your desktop env. |
| 13:07.05 | EnchanterTim | kde or ghome or what have you |
| 13:07.18 | EnchanterTim | try changing that sub pixel hinting/rendering options |
| 13:07.31 | EnchanterTim | try horizontal vs verticla rgb and brg options both |
| 13:07.36 | EnchanterTim | see which ones make it look better |
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| 13:09.26 | qeyoa | -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on |
| 13:09.28 | qeyoa | with dracula mode |
| 13:09.33 | EnchanterTim | Yup |
| 13:09.33 | qeyoa | is pretty normal now |
| 13:09.38 | EnchanterTim | That's what I do myself. |
| 13:09.41 | EnchanterTim | exactly |
| 13:10.00 | qeyoa | thanks |
| 13:11.20 | EnchanterTim | I see my error! |
| 13:11.44 | EnchanterTim | I had exported =on but in my netbeans.conf I had still (while I was experimenting a long time ago) =LCD |
| 13:11.59 | EnchanterTim | That's the issue. Coloring happens with LCD sub pixel hinting |
| 13:12.07 | EnchanterTim | instead, if you use "on" it wont' colorize the font. |
| 13:12.20 | EnchanterTim | Thanks for helping with this. I'll comment that in my config |
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| 13:12.51 | EnchanterTim | watch this |
| 13:13.05 | EnchanterTim | qeyoa: https://i.imgur.com/OK5pa9v.png |
| 13:13.15 | EnchanterTim | No dracla or dark font, but still smooth fonts. |
| 13:13.31 | EnchanterTim | Like I said, sometime I forget things from years ago. |
| 13:13.55 | EnchanterTim | So yean, don't use the -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd, but use -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on |
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| 13:14.11 | EnchanterTim | I guess you don't have to use a bash export anymore. |
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| 13:22.33 | Nawab1337 | help this crowdfund to crowdsource some orange pi hardware required to make a game and fullfil the dreams of a young boy( read the instory) https://www.gocrowdera.com/c/KKoQtNgv |
| 13:23.00 | Nawab1337 | sorry for spam |
| 13:23.00 | EnchanterTim | no thanks. |
| 13:23.26 | EnchanterTim | When you dream, there are no rules. Anything is possible. |
| 13:23.27 | EnchanterTim | :) |
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| 13:31.49 | hypn0 | for those that can imagine anything :-) |
| 13:32.10 | EnchanterTim | \o/ |
| 13:33.51 | EnchanterTim | Well, time for me to go do my thing. see you later guys |
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| 13:36.47 | bolt | running "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y dist-upgrade" a chroot with the "owncloud" package from their repo, apt-get still asks me about replacing a modified configuration file in /etc. i want this to run unattended. why does it still ask? is this up to the package? is there a way to avoid it? i thought non-interactive wouldn't ask such questions |
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| 13:42.27 | Brigo | bolt, maybe --force-yes could help? |
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| 13:44.58 | bolt | Brigo: good suggestion, but unfortunately it still asks |
| 13:45.23 | bolt | about ready to pipe a bunch of newlines into that update command :/ |
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| 13:46.27 | Brigo | bolt, i sure there is some dpkg option you can pass through apt-get to tell it to stop asking, check the dpkg man page. |
| 13:49.01 | bolt | Brigo: that is supposed to be the DEBIAN_FRONTEND environment variable |
| 13:49.15 | bolt | i believe it's actually for dpkg rather than for apt itself |
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| 13:53.44 | alioui_ | hi |
| 13:56.04 | alioui_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.19 | alioui_ | tools on windows |
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| 14:57.26 | adso | @alioui_ etcher.io is one of the better usb creation tools i've seen, but i don't think it has persistence yet. perhaps you could add a +1 for the open github issue on that project? https://github.com/resin-io/etcher/issues/413 |
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| 15:03.25 | loocks|2 | I have some problem with my debian 9 x32, I recently wanted to install skype, but skype is not supported on x32 systems, and then I have decided to add the amd64 architecture to install skype, after that I installed the package dependencies for skype and for new system, of course, and now, if I boot into GRUB from i686, apt-get tells me:"usr/bin/apt-get:Syntax error:Unterminated quouted string |
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| 15:04.11 | loocks|2 | who can help? |
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| 15:29.00 | millican | uestions about mariadb/mysql here or in #debian-offtopic? |
| 15:29.04 | millican | odd |
| 15:29.16 | millican | Would it be better to ask questions about mariadb/mysql here or in #debian-offtopic? |
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| 15:29.46 | annadane | millican, it's packaged for debian, so here |
| 15:29.47 | millican | particularly installing mysql |
| 15:31.03 | millican | I have a tinkerboard with debian stretch based TinkerOS. |
| 15:31.36 | millican | Copying a database from another machine uses up more space on teh tinkerboard, which is using mariadb instead of mysql |
| 15:31.45 | annadane | it's possible we'll be able to answer your question here anyway, but |
| 15:31.47 | millican | I did not expect it to need double the storage |
| 15:31.52 | annadane | dpkg: tell millican about tinkeros |
| 15:32.02 | gildarts | millican: There is a #maria channel for Mariadb and a #mysql for MySQL. |
| 15:32.20 | millican | I'll check the mysql channel. thanks |
| 15:32.56 | millican | Is mariadb the default for Stretch when running apt-get install mysql-server? |
| 15:33.10 | annadane | yes |
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| 15:40.43 | velix | Is there a website or a tool, which tells me, which packages uses a special library? |
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| 15:43.47 | alkisg | Like, try removing that library and see which packages depend on it and will be removed too? |
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| 15:45.28 | velix | alkisg: Acutally, I want to figure out, how many/which packages make use of this library. |
| 15:45.55 | millican | Is there a way to have Debian Stretch install mysql (instead of mariadb) with the command: apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 15:46.06 | teatime | velix: apt-cache rdepends |
| 15:46.12 | velix | teatime: let's try thx |
| 15:46.43 | velix | teatime: yipee. thx |
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| 15:48.14 | teatime | millican: no, not with debian's repos |
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| 15:48.25 | teatime | I don't know how the 3rd-party mysql repo works. |
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| 15:52.15 | Ubiquity4321 | I'm following a guide to setup mpich, and it asks to edit the .bashrc file with a line. I would like to understand why it asks me to do this. Anyone available to help? |
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| 15:52.44 | annadane | Ubiquity4321, which line? |
| 15:52.47 | velix | teatime: Are you sure this tool works correctly? "apt-cache rdepends liblwgeom-2.4-0" shows me "libspatialite7", but no dsc file of any Debian version lists it as dependency. |
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| 15:52.56 | Ubiquity4321 | @annadane, https://thundaxsoftware.blogspot.com/2016/07/creating-raspberry-pi-3-cluster.html |
| 15:53.04 | Ubiquity4321 | > # Add the following to the end of the file |
| 15:53.04 | Ubiquity4321 | # PATH=$PATH:/home/rpimpi/mpi-install/bin |
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| 15:54.40 | velix | Ubiquity4321 & annadane: I wonder, how anyone can use RPi for statistical research. I've tried to work with census data of Germany. In "R", the population alone needs more than 10 GiB of RAM ;) |
| 15:55.14 | Ubiquity4321 | @velix, O_O |
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| 15:55.31 | teatime | velix: I'm not aware of it being broken. |
| 15:55.41 | velix | Ubiquity4321: resolution 100 x 100 m (about 4000 inches) |
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| 15:55.47 | Ubiquity4321 | @velix, thankfully, I'm not doing that |
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| 15:56.19 | velix | teatime: let me debug it. |
| 15:56.24 | teatime | velix: but it does show all kinds of dependencies, like recommends, suggests, conflicts |
| 15:56.28 | teatime | by default |
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| 15:57.02 | velix | teatime: yeah, it tells me a "Reverse Depends", but this depency dooes neither appear on the package website nor in the DSC file ;) |
| 15:57.12 | velix | teatime: I'll try "debtree". |
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| 15:57.48 | velix | "debtree liblwgeom-2.4-0" doesn't show libspatialite7. |
| 15:57.58 | velix | teatime: Seems like I need to write a bugreport ;) |
| 15:58.04 | teatime | I guess you're on testing or sid? |
| 15:58.37 | velix | teatime: wheezy ;) |
| 15:58.44 | velix | teatime: no, jessy! |
| 15:58.47 | velix | jessie |
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| 15:59.47 | Ubiquity4321 | @annadane, I think it just allows me to execute more elegantly or something, but I can't find anything else on it in the rest of the guide so I think it's safe to omit |
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| 16:00.26 | velix | teatime: brb 10 minutes |
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| 16:00.43 | annadane | keep in mind that while my irc client does notify me if you @annadane that's not the case for everyone, consider just using the name by itself |
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| 16:01.07 | annadane | also unfortunately i don't really know the answer to the question about the tutorial line |
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| 16:01.31 | Ubiquity4321 | Thank you for your time. I appreciate it |
| 16:01.36 | Ubiquity4321 | Have a good day |
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| 16:05.27 | superme | hi |
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| 16:11.55 | velix | annadane: fix you client (just joking) |
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| 16:18.25 | holyhit | Hello, is it normal that tab-completition not works if filenames starts with this -> ' |
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| 16:21.40 | teatime | yes, the shell will think you intend it as an open quote... try typing \' and then tab |
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| 16:24.23 | holyhit | ok thanks for info |
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| 16:27.11 | loocks|2 | Hi everybody agaiHi everybody again, does anyoune can help me? |
| 16:27.17 | loocks|2 | anyone* |
| 16:27.18 | loocks|2 | I have some problem with my debian 9 x32, I recently wanted to install skype, but skype is not supported on x32 systems, and then I have decided to add the amd64 architecture to install skype, after that I installed the package dependencies for skype and for new system, of course, and now, if I boot into GRUB from i686, apt-get tells me:"usr/bin/apt-get:Syntax error:Unterminated quouted string |
| 16:28.08 | loocks|2 | I'm newbie in Linux and I don't know what I have to do |
| 16:29.07 | teatime | loocks|2: as far as I know, you can't add amd64 to i386 if you installed i386; you need to install amd64 (then you can add i386 to it if you need) |
| 16:29.16 | corumoyd | if your debian is 32bit you cannot run 64bit stuff, not even adding the architecture |
| 16:29.46 | corumoyd | the opposite is possible, as in running 32bit stuff in a 64bit system |
| 16:31.08 | loocks|2 | I will try to explain I did |
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| 16:33.22 | Kelsar | one should say, x32 is neither amd64 nor i686 |
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| 16:34.41 | teatime | debian calls it i386 for some reason |
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| 16:35.03 | loocks|2 | On one of the forums I read how you can check whether your processor supports amd64 architecture or not, I have entered the command "grep -o -w 'lm' /proc/cpuinfo | sort -u" |
| 16:35.25 | annadane | can we start calling them "new computers" and "old computers", 32 and 64 is confusing |
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| 16:37.33 | loocks|2 | then, when I saw answer "lm", I added a new architecture to this command "sudo dpkg --add-architecture amd64" |
| 16:38.25 | loocks|2 | and updated lists of packages with commands: "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install linux-image-amd64:amd64" |
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| 16:39.09 | loocks|2 | after which I started to have problems with apt-get |
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| 16:39.56 | teatime | you should re-install, using amd64 media. |
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| 16:40.45 | loocks|2 | do I reinstall the system? |
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| 16:41.33 | ora | pdzlkqn |
| 16:41.36 | ora | coucou |
| 16:41.40 | ora | vive debian |
| 16:41.42 | ora | vive windows |
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| 16:42.03 | ArlequInOut | windows o_O |
| 16:42.13 | loocks|2 | teatime: Is there some other way to solve this problem? |
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| 16:44.43 | teatime | Nothing practical, imo. |
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| 16:47.36 | loocks|2 | okay, thank you |
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| 18:35.19 | Rene | Hi all! |
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| 20:07.20 | sine0 | guys im running debian stretch as a headless vm guest. what is the quickest way of setting up a web proxy so that I can tunnel through the vm |
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| 20:09.21 | teatime | SSH and SOCKS? |
| 20:09.30 | teatime | not sure what you want to accomplish there though |
| 20:09.41 | sine0 | I want my web browers to tunnel through the vm |
| 20:10.06 | teatime | yes, I gathered that. |
| 20:10.15 | sine0 | oh you asking why ? |
| 20:10.21 | teatime | sure. |
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| 20:11.39 | sine0 | web dev, I normally get site upgrade clients. the site stays live and I update my hosts for their domain to point to my hosting and dev the site that way with teh spood dns, however I need to reference the live site without keep changing hosts file |
| 20:12.08 | sine0 | i thought a proxy and another browser would be enough |
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| 20:12.24 | sine0 | or would it still use my host dns resolution ? |
| 20:12.44 | teatime | I think it would but don't honestly know. |
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| 20:17.08 | sine0 | if you know of a better way for me to do this |
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| 20:22.23 | d9867eb | hi, what do you think? mbox vs maildir? |
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| 20:23.24 | teatime | maildir has some desirable properties... choose it if all your software that must access it support maildir |
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| 20:40.56 | velix | What's the standard frontend in shell ? |
| 20:41.03 | velix | Dialog? |
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| 20:42.49 | d9867eb | teatime: thanks, then i get all my mail in my home dir. i had like all my mail in the directory $home/Mailbox instead |
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| 20:44.25 | d9867eb | how do i do that? |
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| 20:49.22 | velix | Funny, Debian Squeeze in Chroot on Debian Jessie seems to run faster than the Debian Jessie host :-) |
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| 20:54.04 | notadrop | Are .desktop files sometimes changed/replaced when I update a package? |
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| 21:11.47 | toli | hello |
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| 21:12.29 | toli | i have a question regarding a thinkpad t470. when i scroll pages it is flickering, not fluid at all. do i need to install some sort of a driver? |
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| 21:16.00 | matthiaskrgr | do you fullscreen the browser? |
| 21:16.08 | matthiaskrgr | it might help |
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| 21:16.31 | toli | matthiaskrgr, not a full screen |
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| 21:17.26 | toli | matthiaskrgr, on windows it is damn fluid, and i dont have any problems there. the thing is that i prefer debian, so looking for a solution |
| 21:18.32 | matthiaskrgr | mmh |
| 21:19.05 | matthiaskrgr | I'm on fedora, I get bad tearing when in windowed mode but it gets a lot better in fullscreen mode |
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| 21:37.07 | Razva | any idea why Debian has only 1024x768 max res on VirtualBox, and maybe a way to fix it? |
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| 21:43.41 | alkisg | Razva: not for me... which version of debian and which version of vbox? |
| 21:43.55 | Razva | latet VB, latest Debian |
| 21:44.11 | alkisg | vbox from debian or from upstream? |
| 21:44.15 | Razva | did you installed the guest tools? |
| 21:44.18 | alkisg | No |
| 21:44.30 | Razva | vbox on macOS -> Debian |
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| 21:46.31 | alkisg | Razva: which driver does it load, vesa? Check in xorg.log |
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| 21:52.17 | Razva | rebooted, opened Xorg.0.log |
| 21:52.23 | Razva | any hint on what line should I look for? |
| 21:52.43 | alkisg | Razva: a line that contains VESA(0) |
| 21:53.14 | Razva | loadmodule: "vesa" |
| 21:53.27 | Razva | vesa_drv.so |
| 21:53.28 | alkisg | VESA(0): initializing int10 |
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| 21:53.45 | Razva | yup, I have that ^ |
| 21:53.54 | alkisg | OK, so for vesa, you can add custom modes using vboxmanage |
| 21:54.05 | alkisg | (or you can install the guest additions, if you prefer...) |
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| 21:56.18 | Razva | got it |
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| 21:58.55 | Razva | installing guest additions right now |
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| 22:04.17 | Razva | well guess who forgot to take a snapshot before installing...? |
| 22:04.48 | Razva | aaaand guess who's VBX refuses to start (blinking cursor only) |
| 22:04.57 | FreeitConsultant | Razva, installing Vbox aditions will fix your problem |
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| 22:05.19 | Razva | FreeitConsultant: yeah, supposing the VM will start :) |
| 22:05.46 | FreeitConsultant | :) thats correct |
| 22:05.58 | Razva | which it doesn't :P |
| 22:06.31 | Razva | any idea which ISO has the LXDE packages? because I'm tired of downloading the UI packages every time I make a new install :\ |
| 22:06.36 | Razva | (crappy internet at home) |
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| 22:08.39 | FreeitConsultant | i have never use LXDE GUI environment |
| 22:09.04 | FreeitConsultant | suppose it is something much like xfce |
| 22:09.17 | Razva | sorry xfce :L) |
| 22:09.49 | Razva | I was reading about lxde vs xfce for ram/cpu usage, seems that xfce is faster |
| 22:10.37 | FreeitConsultant | xfce is as good as you has it set it up (not sure if that is good saying ) |
| 22:10.57 | Razva | any idea which ISO has it? |
| 22:12.22 | Razva | debian-9.3.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent < ? |
| 22:12.41 | FreeitConsultant | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-9.3.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:12.57 | bazhang | Razva, any reason not to do net install then add it? |
| 22:13.04 | wilkc | it was my default on my jessie netinstaller so i would assume its on there by default -- that was so long ago so maybe i did grab it during the netinstaller process. |
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| 22:13.11 | Razva | bazhang: crappy net connection at home |
| 22:13.33 | Razva | wilkc: nope, nowadays netinstall doesn't come with any GUI |
| 22:13.53 | bazhang | Razva, the net install and adding xfce will be less than a full cd |
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| 22:14.20 | wilkc | it maybe worthwhile to do a custom debain iso if it is a task you have to repeat x times? |
| 22:14.24 | Razva | bazhang: I agree, but having a full cd downloaded once will be faster for repeated installs |
| 22:14.35 | FreeitConsultant | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-9.3.0-amd64-cinnamon.iso.torrent |
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| 22:15.06 | shalok | Some of my packages were just updated without my knowledge or consent and were broken. How can I figure out what triggered this so I can disable it? |
| 22:15.12 | FreeitConsultant | Razva, bazhang explaint mine first option link |
| 22:15.40 | shalok | I can see an entry in /var/log/apt/history.log as to when it happened but I can't figure out what triggered it. |
| 22:16.26 | FreeitConsultant | but careful it is i386 |
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| 22:18.23 | Razva | the fact that Ubuntu recommends my real location on install worries me. |
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| 22:18.50 | FreeitConsultant | Razva, in that case i will do a disk image file and then start to load in all mine disk whit mine best performance cpu |
| 22:19.18 | FreeitConsultant | (taking the point of doing several copies ) |
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| 22:20.46 | FreeitConsultant | and no internet connection since the first installation :) |
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| 22:28.30 | Razva | in your opinion which GUI is faster, lxde or xfce? |
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| 22:30.22 | stoned | Xmoand. |
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| 22:30.31 | stoned | Fastest! |
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| 22:35.38 | bazhang | ,v xmonad |
| 22:35.40 | judd | Package: xmonad on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.10-4+b2; jessie: 0.11-9; stretch: 0.12-5+b1; buster: 0.13-6+b2; sid: 0.13-6+b2 |
| 22:35.47 | bazhang | did you mean that |
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| 22:38.15 | drasko | Hi all, mu right-click just started working on touchpad |
| 22:38.32 | drasko | it behaves now as a lef-click |
| 22:39.12 | drasko | I have Dell XPS 15 running Debian Buster |
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| 22:46.48 | sdk | drasko: #debian-next if you need help with buster. |
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| 22:49.00 | id4rk | hi there, im using debian in terminal mode |
| 22:49.07 | id4rk | can anyone tell me how to use alt codes? |
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| 22:51.07 | drasko | sdk, Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only). |
| 22:52.05 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 22:52.05 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:52.10 | annadane | sdk, it's on oftc |
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| 22:53.17 | annadane | drasko, ^ |
| 22:53.48 | bolt | that factoid really should explain *why* it's on oftc |
| 22:54.56 | annadane | i guess i might as well register #debian-next on freenode so people don't have to switch servers |
| 22:55.08 | annadane | oh |
| 22:55.13 | annadane | never mind, exists :P |
| 22:55.15 | annadane | duh |
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| 22:59.46 | bites | the official support channels are mostly on oftc. this is the weird one and exists on both networks. |
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| 23:02.37 | notadrop | that explains why this one is so slow |
| 23:03.01 | notadrop | anything a newb should know about oftc? |
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| 23:08.12 | somiaj | !tell annadane why oftc |
| 23:08.35 | somiaj | notadrop: this channel is slow when there aren't any support questions. |
| 23:08.52 | somiaj | and the channel on freenode is often more active than freenode |
| 23:08.55 | somiaj | than oftc... |
| 23:09.15 | somiaj | !tell annadane about why oftc |
| 23:09.28 | somiaj | !tell annadane about oftc move |
| 23:09.31 | somiaj | annadane: arg...I'm bad at this |
| 23:09.46 | annadane | !smack somiaj with trout |
| 23:09.46 | dpkg | smacks somiaj with trout upside the head. |
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| 23:16.04 | notadrop | !smack the monkey |
| 23:16.04 | dpkg | smacks the monkey upside the head. |
| 23:16.14 | notadrop | oh god I forgot what channel I was in |
| 23:16.17 | notadrop | sorry! |
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| 23:16.29 | notadrop | I just tabbed over and >> |
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| 23:19.34 | themill | bolt: it could but it's already tl;dr. |
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| 23:22.29 | sdk | annadane: yea my bad i'm on both oftc and freenode... :\ |
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| 23:31.42 | thejoker | i just noticed that chromium is in the main repo. doesn't it have some licensing issues and downloads proprietary blobs when starting? |
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| 23:32.53 | themill | thejoker: no and no |
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| 23:55.42 | stoned | I wonder |
| 23:55.59 | stoned | !penixstrike annadane |
| 23:55.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking annadane to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:56.16 | stoned | Still as silly as ever |
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