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| 01:23.03 | daegontaven | hey folks, can someone help me with my wifi driver issue | it's not displaying any connections | i'm using the 'wl' module | here is the output of dmsg | grep wl | https://hastebin.com/heqoguxenu.log |
| 01:24.00 | adso | run `lspci | grep network` |
| 01:24.06 | adso | figure out what kind of network card you have first |
| 01:24.22 | adso | and my advice would be to google around for it as typically there's a solid amount of documentation for troubleshooting wifi drivers |
| 01:24.39 | adso | i didn't have any problem finding a plethora of information for my particular BCM wireless card online |
| 01:25.23 | daegontaven | adso: i didn;t get any output from running that |
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| 01:25.29 | adso | "Network" sorry |
| 01:25.36 | adso | and if that doesn't work, try it without the grep |
| 01:26.12 | adso | you should see some output like this: 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4360 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03) |
| 01:26.17 | daegontaven | adso: running this however gave me this https://hastebin.com/mukefuderi.rb |
| 01:26.20 | adso | in which case you can google around for the model number |
| 01:26.33 | daegontaven | it's only supported by wl as far as i know |
| 01:26.38 | daegontaven | https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices |
| 01:27.00 | adso | do you have a bcm4360? |
| 01:27.11 | daegontaven | it's BCM43142 |
| 01:27.32 | awal1 | daegontaven, just for be sure what you get with lspci | grep -i wireless |
| 01:27.59 | daegontaven | awal1: i get no output :( |
| 01:28.02 | awal1 | or grep -i net for wireless and ethernet |
| 01:28.03 | adso | i ended up having to upgrade my linux kernel to 4.14, upgrade the headers, uninstall previous drivers, and install the broadcom-sta-dkms package |
| 01:28.05 | adso | please be careful though |
| 01:28.12 | adso | i imagine you could easily hose a box messing with the kernel |
| 01:28.22 | adso | this wsa the first thing i did with my install so i was fairly careless, and it ended up working out |
| 01:28.35 | adso | if you have anything important that you wouldn't want to lose, backup obviously |
| 01:28.49 | adso | also i'm running debian buster alpha 2. |
| 01:28.49 | awal1 | daegontaven, lspci | grep -i net ? |
| 01:29.00 | daegontaven | adso: here is the short and full output of lspci https://hastebin.com/ziyemovalu.rb |
| 01:29.06 | awal1 | you should get an output with those 2 commands |
| 01:29.07 | daegontaven | no need to do grep cause it's so short |
| 01:29.54 | daegontaven | output with "lspci | grep -i net" https://hastebin.com/dopuzasiva.rb |
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| 01:31.31 | awal1 | https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 01:31.52 | daegontaven | yes i already have wl installed |
| 01:32.07 | daegontaven | and i reinstalled it twice already..still not wotking |
| 01:32.12 | daegontaven | *working :( |
| 01:32.18 | memo1 | Hi, im using iptable-persistace to save iptables rules. Right now im trying to erase some rules using iptables -D ... but it keeps failing iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?). |
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| 01:34.57 | metastable | memo1: How complex is your ruleset? |
| 01:35.06 | awal1 | daegontaven, my sugegstion : remove wl and install broadcom-sta-dkms + the recommended pkg (wireless-tools= |
| 01:36.47 | memo1 | metastable: simple, some redirections, using prerouting and postruiting. I made a mistake with one of them and now i cant erase. |
| 01:36.58 | awal1 | in fact the wiki about wl is clear |
| 01:37.02 | memo1 | metastable: wanna see it? |
| 01:37.09 | metastable | memo1: Gotcha. Might help if we can see your ruleset, the command you're entering that's giving you a problem, etc. |
| 01:37.16 | daegontaven | awal1: well i'm removed wl now, and i'm going to try once more with broadcom-sta-dkms, what do yo mean by recommended pkg |
| 01:37.37 | awal1 | check broadcom-sta-dkms description |
| 01:38.06 | awal1 | well, my suggestion was bcoz that is what i did for a friend machine having broadcom stuff and it worked fine |
| 01:38.20 | awal1 | https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 01:38.33 | awal1 | re-read that ^ |
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| 01:39.18 | memo1 | metastable: paste.debian.net/1011090 |
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| 01:39.55 | memo1 | metastable: im trying to delete -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 15000 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.250.110:15000 |
| 01:40.02 | daegontaven | awal1: yeah i wasn't having any probs with broadcom in mint and fedora..so it's wierd it stopped working debian |
| 01:40.11 | daegontaven | still waiting on the reinstall |
| 01:40.16 | memo1 | metastable: using iptables -D PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 15000 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.200.146:15000 |
| 01:40.46 | metastable | memo1: That's not how the D works. :) |
| 01:40.57 | memo1 | metastable: result iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?). |
| 01:41.07 | metastable | memo1: -D takes a rulenumber. You'll want to dump your rules list with numbers. |
| 01:41.28 | memo1 | metastable: iptables --table nat --list --line-numbers |
| 01:41.42 | metastable | memo1: Strictly speaking, you CAN delete a rule using its specification, but I've had similar issues to you. |
| 01:42.14 | metastable | memo1: I'm also looking over your command, and you're not specifying a table to operate on. |
| 01:42.28 | metastable | memo1: By default, the filter table is used. Those rules look like they're in the NAT table. |
| 01:42.55 | daegontaven | awal1: still no improvement |
| 01:43.11 | memo1 | metastable: paste.debian.net/1011091 |
| 01:43.14 | awal1 | try rebooting |
| 01:43.30 | memo1 | metastable: i want to erase DNAT5 |
| 01:43.36 | awal1 | well, I guess you read the wiki entry closely |
| 01:43.40 | awal1 | also |
| 01:43.51 | metastable | memo1: iptables -t nat -D 5 |
| 01:44.03 | memo1 | metastable: let me try |
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| 01:44.27 | metastable | CRAP |
| 01:44.29 | metastable | Hold on. |
| 01:44.33 | metastable | memo1: iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING 5 |
| 01:44.37 | metastable | Have to specify a chain. |
| 01:44.42 | daegontaven | awal1: ayye i did read the wiki entry a lot, wireless-tools was apprently already installed |
| 01:44.43 | memo1 | metastable: iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?). |
| 01:44.47 | metastable | ^ |
| 01:44.49 | metastable | See above. |
| 01:44.53 | daegontaven | i'l; try rebooting..now! |
| 01:45.11 | memo1 | metastable: oh |
| 01:45.49 | memo1 | metastable: it works :) |
| 01:45.54 | metastable | Cool. |
| 01:47.30 | memo1 | metastable: thank you so much. Can you explain me where you find the answer. Google always shows erasing the rules usig iptables -D .. |
| 01:47.43 | metastable | memo1: Not kidding, 'man iptables'. |
| 01:48.46 | memo1 | metastable: perfect. Last question, im really new to iptables. The rules must be in Filter tables? |
| 01:49.16 | metastable | memo1: No. Rules go in different tables depending on their function. Most standard ACL entries go in the filter table, because you're filtering traffic. |
| 01:49.39 | memo1 | metastable: in my case, im redirecting. Is good in nat? |
| 01:49.48 | metastable | memo1: That's where those rules go, yes. :) |
| 01:50.03 | memo1 | metastable: thank you friend. Great community! |
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| 03:10.05 | ozzloy | i want to fill pdf forms using code. how do i do this? |
| 03:10.26 | ozzloy | suggestions? i'm currently looking at poppler |
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| 03:14.25 | somiaj | ozzloy: this can depend on the pdf form. I think there is limited ability to edit pdf forms with various pdf readers. There is an older adobe 32bit reader that can edit some .pdfs that opensource alternatives cannot. |
| 03:15.21 | somiaj | hmm, seems libreoffice can edit .pdf files |
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| 03:15.36 | somiaj | there use to be something called pdfedit. I think evince and the newer pdf viewers have some edit ability too |
| 03:16.24 | themill | pdftk can do some sorts of forms and is scriptable |
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| 03:42.10 | RayReddington | hello |
| 03:42.17 | RayReddington | can someone help me? I dd'd a usb with a debian distro |
| 03:42.19 | RayReddington | and i cant boot from it |
| 03:42.21 | RayReddington | im on mac mini 1.1 |
| 03:42.28 | RayReddington | the usb isnt recognized anymore on the harddrive |
| 03:44.47 | awal1 | trying to use " volume_down_5 = - " (default) instead of " volume_down_5 = , " via '.moc/config' but won't work; I get "Wrong option name: 'volume_down_5'. FATAL_ERROR: Error in config file on line 3!". Why? |
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| 03:46.06 | rpifan | did u make it uefi RayReddington |
| 03:46.17 | RayReddington | how do i check that |
| 03:46.40 | RayReddington | or do that |
| 03:47.01 | rpifan | where r u making the drive |
| 03:47.19 | RayReddington | what do you mean |
| 03:47.22 | RayReddington | i just dd;d it |
| 03:47.26 | RayReddington | its plugged in to the back of my mac mini |
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| 03:47.55 | bites | which iso did you use? |
| 03:48.01 | RayReddington | just a debian one |
| 03:48.20 | bites | make sure you use the one designated for mac |
| 03:48.25 | RayReddington | i did |
| 03:48.28 | dvs | RayReddington, without the exact dd command you used, we can't help you. |
| 03:48.31 | rpifan | u should use |
| 03:48.33 | rpifan | something like |
| 03:48.36 | rpifan | unetbootin |
| 03:48.42 | RayReddington | it wont recognize my usb |
| 03:48.43 | dvs | rpifan, no |
| 03:48.53 | RayReddington | dd uhh... fuck |
| 03:48.56 | RayReddington | has anyone seen mhicklen |
| 03:48.58 | RayReddington | he helped me do it |
| 03:49.06 | awal1 | according to /usr/share/doc/moc/examples/keymap.example.gz my config should be fine |
| 03:49.47 | RayReddington | sudo dd if=Desktop/ubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/disk1 bs=4m |
| 03:49.48 | RayReddington | found it |
| 03:49.59 | rpifan | unetbootin tends to work for mac |
| 03:50.00 | rpifan | now |
| 03:50.02 | RayReddington | took like 4 hours |
| 03:50.04 | rpifan | if u wanna get more complicated |
| 03:50.12 | rpifan | u can use that usb u have |
| 03:50.12 | RayReddington | unetbootin DOESNT RECOGNIZE MAH USSBBB |
| 03:50.17 | rpifan | plus mamake another usb |
| 03:50.23 | rpifan | with refind |
| 03:50.26 | rpifan | refind will boot anythign |
| 03:50.33 | RayReddington | dvs: sudo dd if=Desktop/ubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/disk1 bs=4m |
| 03:50.48 | dvs | I'm not sure what a /dev/disk1 device is. |
| 03:51.21 | RayReddington | does anyone have a way for me to reach mhicklen |
| 03:51.24 | RayReddington | hes the one who did it for me |
| 03:52.34 | bites | that's neither a debian image nor the one for mac. |
| 03:53.15 | RayReddington | can someone walk me through it |
| 03:53.25 | RayReddington | installin debian on an old ass mac mini 1.1 10.4 osx |
| 03:53.29 | RayReddington | hicklen did it but it didnt work |
| 03:55.46 | RayReddington | can someone teamviewer me to get unetbootin to recognize my flash drive |
| 03:55.49 | RayReddington | or find out why it wont work? |
| 03:55.50 | RayReddington | pls? |
| 03:56.53 | rpifan | well |
| 03:56.59 | rpifan | if u dont have a working os |
| 03:57.03 | rpifan | then its a bit hard to do |
| 03:57.11 | rpifan | tho the better optin would be ssh |
| 03:57.20 | RayReddington | can you teamviewer for ssh then |
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| 03:58.36 | bites | you get the right image, which is likely this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/9.3.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-mac-9.3.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:58.51 | RayReddington | ok its downloadin |
| 03:58.55 | bites | then you copy it to your usb drive not using unetbootin |
| 03:59.05 | RayReddington | drive should be msdos right |
| 03:59.28 | bites | cp debian-mac-9.3.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/<yourusb> |
| 03:59.36 | bites | no, you don't format the drive. |
| 03:59.38 | dvs | then sync |
| 03:59.47 | RayReddington | wait so it should just be |
| 03:59.49 | RayReddington | mac osx journaled |
| 03:59.51 | bites | and floss |
| 03:59.54 | bites | i mean sync. |
| 04:00.40 | bites | it should be copied to the block device, not a partition. |
| 04:00.48 | RayReddington | can someone teamviewer |
| 04:00.50 | RayReddington | im just gonna fuck it up |
| 04:00.59 | bites | it's not that hard |
| 04:02.07 | rpifan | actually |
| 04:02.08 | rpifan | it is |
| 04:02.14 | rpifan | if he is making hte image on a mac |
| 04:02.17 | rpifan | it is /dev/rdisk |
| 04:02.37 | rpifan | also i doubt id be able to ssh unless u had a pulib ip |
| 04:02.40 | rpifan | public ip |
| 04:04.32 | RayReddington | ok so what do i do when its finished |
| 04:04.36 | RayReddington | cp it to the drive |
| 04:06.31 | RayReddington | does anyone know how to get rid of soundflower |
| 04:06.34 | RayReddington | i have no audio on my mac mini lol |
| 04:07.19 | rpifan | once its done |
| 04:07.23 | rpifan | u just stick the usb on the machine |
| 04:07.24 | rpifan | adn boot it |
| 04:07.30 | rpifan | as for that question |
| 04:07.34 | rpifan | u can ask in the mac channel |
| 04:07.51 | RayReddington | whats the button to hold |
| 04:07.53 | RayReddington | when booting on 10.4 |
| 04:08.47 | rpifan | option |
| 04:10.12 | RayReddington | what if it doesnt want to work |
| 04:10.24 | rpifan | it should just show u |
| 04:10.28 | rpifan | that boot options |
| 04:11.22 | RayReddington | so download it |
| 04:11.23 | RayReddington | cp debian-mac-9.3.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/<yourusb> |
| 04:11.26 | RayReddington | then sync |
| 04:11.35 | RayReddington | then reboot and |
| 04:11.36 | RayReddington | uhhh |
| 04:11.43 | RayReddington | hold option |
| 04:11.46 | RayReddington | thats it |
| 04:12.05 | RayReddington | what the motherfuck |
| 04:12.06 | RayReddington | mounting failed |
| 04:12.21 | ngharo | you dont copy a file to a block device |
| 04:12.34 | ngharo | you can cat a file to a block device |
| 04:12.43 | RayReddington | ok well the iso mounting failed |
| 04:12.46 | RayReddington | can someone teamviewer me |
| 04:12.47 | RayReddington | please |
| 04:12.50 | wigums | geez you get to cuss in the support channel? i couldnt even respond when asked to in the offtopic channel |
| 04:13.08 | RayReddington | err im not supposed to swear |
| 04:13.08 | RayReddington | lol |
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| 04:13.18 | rpifan | you want to use dd if=~/debian-mac.... of=/dev/rdisk.. |
| 04:13.20 | wigums | point remains |
| 04:13.52 | RayReddington | well i need a different iso |
| 04:13.55 | RayReddington | that one just failed mounting |
| 04:14.03 | ngharo | no one is suggesting you mount it |
| 04:14.04 | rpifan | u dont need to mount it |
| 04:14.07 | rpifan | ok |
| 04:14.10 | rpifan | listen ill pm u |
| 04:14.14 | RayReddington | ok |
| 04:14.14 | rpifan | and ill hlep u step by step |
| 04:14.23 | rpifan | just so we can clearn the main chan |
| 04:17.35 | themill | ngharo: no, cp is just fine. |
| 04:18.00 | ngharo | it is? dont you need a filesystem to copy to? |
| 04:18.09 | themill | nope |
| 04:18.41 | wigums | let rpifan help the person like s/he suggested and be done wih it |
| 04:19.00 | wigums | all the peenus measuring is lame |
| 04:19.07 | ngharo | themill: if true, my mind is blown. testing on a loopback device |
| 04:21.48 | ngharo | themill: wow! learned something new today |
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| 04:35.48 | daniel-s | Hey. I only have a mouse for a computer. Does the GUI installer have an on screen keyboard? |
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| 04:39.52 | Nawab | Hello |
| 04:40.17 | Nawab | My broadband is off, and what changes i do in network manager to get my cpu connected to my sim connection fails |
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| 04:40.45 | ngharo | daniel-s: not that i know of but an option that may work instead is to do an automated install by preseeding answers to questions |
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| 04:41.19 | Nawab | Im failing at changong the dns servers step, its using my isps dns servers, not my sim operators,which i dont know |
| 04:41.31 | Nawab | Im using google dns |
| 04:41.36 | Nawab | Pls help |
| 04:41.52 | somiaj | you can just edit the /etc/resolv.conf to change the dns server |
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| 04:42.14 | Nawab | Its not letting me do it |
| 04:42.34 | Nawab | Even after changing, its using tje old servers |
| 04:42.57 | somiaj | network-manager may overwrite things. It should have the ability to set a custom nameserver, or you can use something like resolvconf to better control the resolv.conf file |
| 04:43.25 | Nawab | I dont hav tht installed |
| 04:43.57 | somiaj | I really don't know your setup so unsure what is best, but that should at least give you the abilty to control /etc/resolv.conf without something changing it to manually set things |
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| 04:45.05 | Nawab | Well, when i type google dns at resolv.conf n save it, and after tht i do ping google.com, it uses my isps dns servers |
| 04:45.28 | somiaj | did you check /etc/resolv.conf afterwards to see if it rewritten. |
| 04:45.47 | Nawab | Yes its rewritten |
| 04:45.54 | somiaj | yea resolvconf should help with that. |
| 04:46.37 | Nawab | But i dont hav tht installed |
| 04:46.44 | somiaj | then install it |
| 04:47.21 | somiaj | it isn't installed by default, but it maybe a simple way to just control the resolv.conf file. Though you should also be able to correctly configure network-manager to setup nameservers, but I'm unsure on that front. |
| 04:47.24 | Nawab | Will resolvcpnf conflict with network manager? |
| 04:47.28 | somiaj | no |
| 04:47.47 | somiaj | all it does it create links and will try to keep things from autmatically changing resolv.conf for you |
| 04:47.49 | Nawab | Ok |
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| 05:26.54 | gubernator | I don't understand why I don't have an /etc/lightdm/ directory. Can anyone shed light? Vanilla Debian 9 install. |
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| 05:28.23 | RayReddington | herro |
| 05:28.30 | RayReddington | wheres the guy |
| 05:28.32 | RayReddington | rpfian |
| 05:28.54 | RayReddington | herroooo |
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| 05:29.07 | RayReddington | how do i find out whos connected |
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| 05:29.43 | gubernator | Most IRC clients list them in the righthand pane |
| 05:29.53 | RayReddington | NAMES #debian |
| 05:29.54 | RayReddington | fuck |
| 05:29.56 | RayReddington | i haveno panel |
| 05:29.59 | RayReddington | and i must list |
| 05:30.14 | RayReddington | whos the guy |
| 05:30.16 | RayReddington | with the name |
| 05:30.18 | RayReddington | rpfan or something |
| 05:31.52 | RayReddington | can someone with a sidebar |
| 05:31.53 | RayReddington | tell me who he is |
| 05:31.56 | maxcell_ | After installing intel-microcode on my debian (Buster) i'm getting and permission error with "uinpit" when i try to connect my ps4 controller using "ds4drv" : [error][controller 1] Failed to create input device: "/dev/uinput" cannot be opened for writing > it is safe to put write permissions to "uinput" for my regular user? If it is, how do i do that? |
| 05:32.49 | RayReddington | omg |
| 05:32.52 | RayReddington | someone with a sidebar |
| 05:32.53 | RayReddington | anyone |
| 05:35.27 | bites | gubernator: should be there if you have lightdm installed. what does "apt-cache policy lightdm" say? is lightdm running? "systemctl status lightdm" |
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| 05:38.04 | rant | maxcell_: I think more would |
| 05:38.35 | rant | maxcell_: I think more would've had to happen than just installing intel-mirocode to change behavior of an input device.. but yes you could change permissions of that but you'd have to do it through a udev rules file to make it persistant |
| 05:41.10 | maxcell_ | is that safe/ all i did was install some python applications that allows me to install "ds4drv" with pip install command |
| 05:41.21 | maxcell_ | python's apps from apt-get |
| 05:42.14 | rant | http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#ownership https://wiki.debian.org/udev see the former for the specifics of a rule to change device permissions/ownership, and the latter for overview of the way it works in debian and what commands to use to reload the rules and such |
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| 05:43.19 | rant | safe is a relative term and fairly irrelevant if you can't use it without the permissions, most you can do is setup a group or specific user that has such permissions |
| 05:44.56 | rant | bookmarks that reacivated.net guide on udev rules cause it seems fairly complete |
| 05:45.37 | rant | I have yet to memorize how to write udev rules cause its so rarely I do it |
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| 06:21.15 | gubernator | bites: regarding lightdm, it says installed |
| 06:21.22 | gubernator | : none |
| 06:21.44 | gubernator | I thought it was the default application for logging in |
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| 06:22.21 | gubernator | is there a simple way to see what package is being used? or, what is the default for a debian install? |
| 06:22.54 | alkisg | gubernator: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 06:22.59 | alkisg | You may have gdm3 |
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| 06:26.10 | gubernator | alkisg: thanks, looks like I'm using gdm |
| 06:26.30 | alkisg | You're probably using gnome then, while lightdm is for other desktop environments, like MATE |
| 06:26.50 | gubernator | Good to know. I am using gnome |
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| 06:28.21 | gubernator | I'm just coming to realize that the DE determines most of the gui apps |
| 06:28.41 | gubernator | rather than debian choosing them |
| 06:28.52 | alkisg | A de is a predefined set of gui apps, yes. Debian offers most des. |
| 06:29.25 | alkisg | Many DE apps usually come from the same team, so they cooperate better, it's not good to have some of one de and some from another |
| 06:30.03 | alkisg | E.g. you're using gnome, it wouldn't make much sense to use mate's caja instead of gnome's nautilus as the file manager |
| 06:30.35 | klys | so is "desktop environment" an oxymoron that deserves to be discredited? |
| 06:31.11 | alkisg | I don't understand why that would be an oxymoron, desktop environment and gui apps are closely related |
| 06:32.13 | gubernator | I am trying to work with the defaults apps as much as possible. The other day you were advising me on symlinks and the user-dirs.dirs config, if you recall. I briefly thought to use replace Nautilus with Nemo, which I was more familiar with, but then thought better. |
| 06:32.16 | alkisg | A desktop environment is a set of essential gui apps, along with whatever backends they need to work. The "additional gui apps" may be unrelated to the DE. |
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| 06:33.16 | alkisg | Selecting one DE and sticking to its default apps is a good idea. |
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| 06:36.50 | klys | as in, desktop environments are like trusty fundamentals. you can ask them for a place to rest; just don't try to wake up |
| 06:37.46 | gubernator | alkisg, I'm using a separate partition for data now, with symlinks connecting them to /home. I can't use trash now, only permanently delete. Do you know why, and a workaround? |
| 06:38.14 | alkisg | gubernator: in general, I'd advice against using ntfs for daily use, e.g. Documents etc |
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| 06:38.43 | alkisg | That said, some file managers create .Trash directories on each partition to store the trash, and your user account may not have enough permissions for that |
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| 06:39.56 | gubernator | I use windows a lot for work, and need to access the same data. It's my lot in life. Do you know which sort of permission I might need to add to my user account? |
| 06:40.30 | alkisg | What's the output of ls -lha /path/to/your/media/partition ? |
| 06:41.21 | gubernator | no such file or directory. my ntfs partition is mounted in /mnt/ if that makes a difference |
| 06:41.39 | gubernator | duh... i'm tired, hang on |
| 06:41.43 | alkisg | That path was an example, you should replace it with the actual path :) |
| 06:42.39 | gubernator | :) the directories of interest have these permisions drwxrwxr-x |
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| 06:44.12 | alkisg | Show at least the full output of ls -ld /path/to/media/partition |
| 06:44.30 | alkisg | Otherwise we don't know the owner, the mount point permissions, etc etc |
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| 06:45.01 | gubernator | drwxrwxr-x 1 systemd-timesync ak |
| 06:45.09 | gubernator | ak is my normal user account |
| 06:45.23 | alkisg | OK, so that's the issue, the owner is systemd-timesync |
| 06:45.26 | alkisg | Not the user |
| 06:45.55 | gubernator | am i getting into a mess if i make ak the owner? |
| 06:46.17 | gubernator | there must be a reason systemd-timesync is the owner |
| 06:46.22 | alkisg | If this is ntfs, it should already have ak as the owner, so I'm not sure what you're doing wrong there |
| 06:46.34 | alkisg | The reason is probably something broken, not normal use :) |
| 06:46.48 | alkisg | More info is needed to properly reply |
| 06:46.57 | gubernator | well I have it automatically mounted at boot with fstab, so maybe I did something wrong there |
| 06:46.59 | alkisg | The most cryptic you are, the less info you give, the less help we can give |
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| 06:47.17 | alkisg | Paste the fstab line then |
| 06:47.22 | gubernator | k |
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| 06:49.28 | gubernator | https://pastebin.com/55ZRdLy5 |
| 06:49.47 | alkisg | You put uid=100 there instead of 1000 |
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| 06:51.49 | gubernator | I must have followed bad advice. I'll edit and reboot and let you know shortly. Cheers |
| 06:52.18 | gubernator | btw Not trying to be cryptic... just very much learning |
| 06:52.42 | gubernator | Anything else I should look into before I reboot? |
| 06:52.59 | alkisg | You can unmount and remount instead of rebooting |
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| 06:53.08 | gubernator | ok |
| 06:53.31 | alkisg | I can't think of anything else, this uid change should suffice |
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| 06:56.19 | gubernator | target is busy, can't umount, not sure how to deal with this so will reboot, takes a half minute |
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| 06:58.48 | gubernator | alkisg, it was a success. You were quick to spot that. |
| 06:58.59 | alkisg | np |
| 06:59.17 | gubernator | So grateful. Be well |
| 06:59.19 | gubernator | Good night |
| 06:59.38 | alkisg | You're welcome |
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| 07:05.50 | hemebond | If I'm currently doing "echo 1 > /sys/module/bluetooth/parameters/disable_ertm" where would I make that permanent? Would I create something in /etc/modprobe.d/? |
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| 07:09.58 | klys | hemebond, make a file for /etc/systemd/system and follow all the rules. I am not an expert. |
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| 07:13.10 | hemebond | Oh. Create a service to do it? Okay, will look into that. |
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| 08:27.32 | rant | klys: fyi while that solutions would certainly work, you can achieve this with a udev rules file using SUBSYSTEM=="module", DRIVER=="bluetooth", ATTR{parameters/disable_ertm}="1" or by installing sysfsutils package which sets up exactly what you were mentioning and reads /etc/sysfs.conf where you can add module/bluetooth/parameters/disable_ertm = 1 |
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| 08:35.34 | rant | I added this udev solution to a new factoid called from the sysfs factoid that already explains the sysfsutils method for future reference |
| 08:35.42 | rant | !sysfs |
| 08:35.42 | dpkg | sysfs is a virtual filesystem that exports kernel data structures and attributes. sysfs attributes can be set at system boot via /etc/sysfs.conf (sysfsutils package); or via udev ask me about <sysfs udev>. http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/sysfs.txt |
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| 08:38.56 | hoijui | i have two debian testing machines, up to date, and have problems with scp. can anyone confirm? |
| 08:39.04 | hoijui | problems as in: |
| 08:39.12 | hoijui | i can ssh conenct fine, but cant copy with scp |
| 08:39.17 | hoijui | i get: |
| 08:39.20 | hoijui | warning: function \033[4mavailable\033[30m\033[0;10m is deprecated and will be removed soon. |
| 08:39.25 | hoijui | and no data is transferred |
| 08:39.37 | hoijui | it worked fine before updating yesterday |
| 08:39.51 | rant | you'd need to provide the command line for any of that to be meaninful, and then you want to go check the BTS |
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| 08:40.38 | rant | I doubt that scp is deprecated so its something in your command line or configs would be my guess |
| 08:40.39 | hoijui | touch a ; scp a theOtherMachine: |
| 08:40.59 | hoijui | yeah rant, that makes sense! |
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| 08:41.13 | hoijui | i have no idea how to track it down though |
| 08:41.17 | rant | I could be wrong.. but it makes more sense to me |
| 08:41.56 | hoijui | i also think you are right.. was my first guess too.. though i only saw it with ssh so far, and i dont understand why, or how to track it |
| 08:42.40 | rant | well you can go to the server (login via ssh even) and stop the ssh service and start it manually on the commandline in debug mode sshd -d and use scp -v to get some more output |
| 08:44.17 | rant | stopping ssh service doesnt affect running connections but if you have no direct access to the server, you want to make sure you start that back up and perhaps even fire up a screen sessiong with a "sleep 300; service ssh start" kinda command to make sure |
| 08:44.50 | hoijui | its not a real server |
| 08:45.09 | hoijui | just an other desktop machine, so no problem there.. will try, thanks! |
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| 08:47.33 | rant | fwiw your example worked for me between a stretch(client) and jessie(server) machine I dont have any running buster |
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| 08:49.50 | hoijui | ok... |
| 08:50.03 | hoijui | yeah it worked fine just afew dasy ago still, her etoo |
| 08:50.09 | hoijui | i have this on both machines: |
| 08:50.12 | hoijui | OpenSSH_7.6, OpenSSL 1.0.2n 7 Dec 2017 |
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| 08:50.27 | lupulo | hi |
| 08:51.10 | rant | hoijui: you really should check the bts and probably also the changelog on the package |
| 08:51.40 | rant | hoijui: and fwiw I'd also highly recommend apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges so you see this stuff everytime you install/upgrade when using testing or unstable |
| 08:52.28 | hoijui | what is bts? |
| 08:52.53 | hoijui | ahh thanks.. never heard of those, will check them out |
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| 08:53.27 | rant | hoijui: everytime a user comes in here and says they're using testing or unstable and asks what the bts is, a kitten dies.. |
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| 08:54.54 | rant | hoijui: you should probably get to know more about debian before you start fooling with our testing/unstable branches. for one thing we dont normally support testing/unstable here, thats in #debian-next on irc.debian.org (OFTC) and the BTS is our online public bug tracking system bugs.debian.org where we list known issues and report issues so they can be known and fixed |
| 08:55.29 | hoijui | well.. before comming here, i joined #debian-testing |
| 08:55.32 | hoijui | and ther ewas nothing |
| 08:56.22 | hoijui | maybe.. at least put a channel message there that redirects people to #devbian-next |
| 08:56.37 | rant | yes, well many years ago now, Debian decided to move their official support irc.debian.org to irc.oftc.net rather than freenode. We still have a larger and older support community here but for the most part we only deal with general debian stable stuff |
| 08:57.16 | hoijui | yeah, i expected that, but as said.. how would i know it is -next, and not -testing |
| 08:57.18 | mmohr | Hey. What's the preferred Debian way to cross-compile a Qt application from x86_64 (host) to arm/raspberry pi (target)? qemu-debootstrap, Docker, ...? |
| 08:58.33 | hoijui | also, sometime, for everyone, it has to be the first time they hear about BTS ;-) |
| 08:58.38 | hoijui | for me, it is now |
| 08:58.59 | hoijui | i switched to debian one month ago (and was not much on the PC Pc before that) |
| 08:59.35 | rant | hoijui: I highly recommend you switch to stable and let use help you learn the system.. ask a million questions if you need to.. we have a great support community here. You're really only doing us and yourself any favors using testing/unstable if you know enough to help actually do the testing |
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| 09:00.19 | hoijui | i do it casue too many times, i was stuck with too old versions of some softwrae |
| 09:00.34 | hoijui | and was tired to tryign to manually compile them and their deps and stuff |
| 09:01.03 | hoijui | abd again.. you know... |
| 09:01.04 | rant | hoijui: thats when you come here and you tal to us about it and we'll help you address those kinds of issues |
| 09:01.11 | hoijui | at one point, one has to learn how to do the testing |
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| 09:01.31 | hoijui | and you only learn that, by first being stupid, adn then (hopefully) not anymore |
| 09:01.47 | hoijui | if that is unbearable for the community.. then, in a few years, there will be no tresters anymore |
| 09:02.06 | rant | right well its not fair to users who come here for our support to be hammering away at stuff dealing with testing.. you limit your support resources by using testing/unstable because we expect yuou to know this stuff |
| 09:02.09 | hoijui | yeah.. which is exactly what happened here :D |
| 09:02.14 | hoijui | so .. all perfect |
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| 09:02.52 | hoijui | hmm.. k.. endless loop |
| 09:03.07 | rant | I understand your point though and I agree.. which is why I've been working on a new project to help new users and supporters and developers all get on the same page by unifying our support resources and making easy access to the information |
| 09:03.20 | hoijui | so.. i will suggest in -next to make a link in -testing |
| 09:03.55 | hoijui | oh wow... that sounds like.. a huge plan :D noas arch |
| 09:04.01 | hoijui | good luck! |
| 09:04.28 | rant | we can't link channels accross networks all we could do is create a locked channel with an entrymsg that tells you to go to OFTC |
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| 09:05.06 | rant | but afaik you only got that idea by guessing, and you couldve just asked here and we'd have all told you where to go :) |
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| 09:06.23 | hoijui | it is what i expect most users to do... guessing first |
| 09:06.33 | rant | if it weren't crickets in here right now and others were looking in, you'd have gotten this rather than an answer more than likely |
| 09:06.39 | rant | !testing |
| 09:06.39 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 09:07.11 | hoijui | and if each one gets the answer immediatly, wihtout anyone else having to do soemthing, becasue he can read it in the channel message |
| 09:07.17 | hoijui | you save yourself time |
| 09:08.49 | themill | /topic is a thing already |
| 09:09.30 | hoijui | whaat? |
| 09:09.40 | hoijui | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.56 | rant | mmohr: I apologize I wasnt ignoring your issue, I just dont have any suggestions.. while I have a pi, I've not done any cross-compiling yet. |
| 09:10.24 | rant | hoijui: as I've said repeatedly, its on OFTC not freenode. :P |
| 09:10.52 | hoijui | you said that this is your main server now, not that this channel is not here |
| 09:11.09 | hoijui | you shoud lget to the fresh air more, my friend... |
| 09:11.10 | themill | !#debian-next |
| 09:11.10 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:13.04 | rant | hoijui: https://git.fosscommunity.in/kathryntolsen/diss is the project in early planning stages.. if you care to contribute any thoughts as a new user to your experiences with dDebian and the support community and how we may make things easier |
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| 09:29.24 | hoijui | just 10min after joining #debian-testing here on freenode, an other user came in, askign a question ;-) |
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| 09:30.02 | hoijui | is it agianst freenode policy to put a channel message that suggest joining an other IRC server? |
| 09:30.25 | hoijui | ouh.. well.. this channel does it so.. i guess not |
| 09:30.26 | rant | what I said was that OFTC is now the main server.. thogu I'm kinda surprised that change lasted considering by and large nobody other than the Debian project recognizes the cahnge.. all the devs keep their clients pointed at freenode by default, and most all the users and supporters still come here |
| 09:31.16 | hoijui | yeah.... i have like. 40 channels here, and now 1 on oftc |
| 09:31.47 | hoijui | (* 2 on oftc now) |
| 09:32.16 | rant | things were a bit hectic during the time that switch occured but all it did in my opinion is fragment our support community and did nothing to benefit anyone |
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| 09:33.06 | petn-randall | hoijui: Note that #debian-testing isn't even a thing on OFTC. You're probably looking for #debian-next. |
| 09:33.41 | hoijui | :D thanks petn-randall, i was topld that already.. |
| 09:34.01 | hoijui | i merely sugguest, that there shoudl be a link.. i will try to do it myself |
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| 09:35.19 | jelly | hoijui: it's in the topic. |
| 09:36.29 | hoijui | jelly, not the topic of #debian-testing |
| 09:36.42 | jelly | because that channel is not registered |
| 09:36.53 | hoijui | yeah |
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| 09:37.51 | hoijui | ah well, it actually is |
| 09:38.01 | hoijui | #debian-testing is already registered to freenode-staff |
| 09:38.46 | jelly | I'll ask them to drop it, thanks for bringing this to our attention |
| 09:38.56 | hoijui | so i guess the next best thing woudl be, to put a bot there thatr atuo spams people that join |
| 09:39.08 | hoijui | oh cool,! :-) |
| 09:39.25 | hoijui | while you are at it |
| 09:39.26 | petererer | Hmm, is CVE-2017-15906 (https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-15906) considered not worth patching? |
| 09:39.43 | hoijui | #debian-testing is already registered to freenode-staff |
| 09:39.45 | hoijui | ##debian-testing is already registered to ivanshmakov |
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| 09:40.11 | hoijui | maybe ivanshmakov is alreayd one of you guys |
| 09:40.26 | jelly | two hash channels are not official in any way, I don't know who that it |
| 09:40.28 | jelly | is |
| 09:40.35 | hoijui | and anyway.. i dont know if a meta channel makes sense but... just so you know |
| 09:40.44 | hoijui | ok |
| 09:40.56 | jelly | if ivan wants it he can keep it |
| 09:41.02 | hoijui | :D |
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| 09:42.08 | hoijui | when joiniing the ## channel, i only get this: Channel ##debian-testing url: https://www.debian.org |
| 09:42.12 | hoijui | and it is empty too |
| 09:42.21 | hoijui | but yeah.. no real problem there |
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| 09:45.29 | petn-randall | petererer: The reason for skipping it is not clear, it might be a good idea to file a bug report and point to the upstream patch and the rationale why it's patch-worthy. |
| 09:46.14 | petn-randall | petererer: But AFAICS it only allows to create empty files with the permissions of the logged in user, so the damage is fairly limited. |
| 09:47.47 | jelly | petn-randall: it's fairly limited to DoS after filling up an ext[234]fs fixed number of inodes |
| 09:48.25 | jelly | ext4 is still the default fs type in debian |
| 09:48.42 | petererer | It seems the rationale for not patching it is "Minor issue" which is a pretty poor description when the CVSS score is a Medium 5.3 |
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| 09:50.40 | petn-randall | jelly: I agree, what I'm trying to say is AFAICS you can't truncate files with this, which would make it a lot worse. |
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| 09:57.38 | jelly | but also I've never had to set up a read-only sftp account ever |
| 09:57.53 | jelly | petererer: are you actually using ro access somewhere? |
| 09:58.39 | petererer | Nope. |
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| 10:01.19 | petererer | I was looking for a rationale for why it was not patched. I think I can piece that together now, just would be nice if the CVE page stated exactly why it wasn't considered worth patching, really. |
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| 10:03.37 | petererer | Thanks for enlightening me :) |
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| 10:37.05 | maxcell_ | rant, hi |
| 10:38.18 | maxcell_ | rant, the power drops earlier thats why i leave earlier |
| 10:39.24 | rant | maxcell_: our power was out for several hours yesterday as well |
| 10:39.39 | maxcell_ | rant, really |
| 10:39.57 | maxcell_ | rant, mine just for a few minutes |
| 10:40.13 | maxcell_ | rant, when you say "our power" you mean/ |
| 10:40.23 | rant | yeah well I guess in the ghetto response time isnt that great on power outtages :P |
| 10:40.41 | maxcell_ | haha |
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| 10:41.36 | maxcell_ | ^^ |
| 10:41.40 | rant | knowing this town, someone may have shot up a transformer or something |
| 10:42.23 | maxcell_ | lol |
| 10:42.32 | maxcell_ | there is a town like that on my country as well |
| 10:43.48 | maxcell_ | pretty bad tho |
| 10:44.17 | maxcell_ | where you from rant/ |
| 10:44.51 | Ericounet | hi |
| 10:44.58 | Ericounet | I had the same question :) |
| 10:45.18 | rant | maxcell_: if you're just looking to shoot the shit, try ##nvz or #debian-offtopic |
| 10:45.41 | Ericounet | :( |
| 10:45.41 | maxcell_ | what you mean |
| 10:46.02 | maxcell_ | nvm |
| 10:46.04 | rant | I mean this is a support channel, just talking is for other places. |
| 10:46.16 | maxcell_ | yeah lol |
| 10:46.30 | maxcell_ | lets talk another time then |
| 10:46.38 | rant | I don't really mind, when there is nothing else going on.. but thats a minority opinion :P |
| 10:46.59 | maxcell_ | yeah yeah i know how it is |
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| 10:47.13 | maxcell_ | so, your gonna help or not |
| 10:47.15 | maxcell_ | :D |
| 10:47.33 | maxcell_ | i mean, with my uinput error: [error][controller 1] Failed to create input device: "/dev/uinput" cannot be opened for writing |
| 10:48.57 | rant | idk, I suggested earlier using udev to change the permissions |
| 10:49.16 | maxcell_ | an udev rule you have said |
| 10:49.27 | maxcell_ | thats not a flaw in security or something/ |
| 10:49.54 | maxcell_ | a regular user being able to run uinput without sudo |
| 10:50.06 | rant | yeah.. but I suspect your problem may be unrelated to permissions and have more to do with some buggy 3rd party code.. cause I never had to do anything fancy to get a controller to work |
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| 10:50.40 | maxcell_ | yeah, it was working ok till i install the intel-microcode and reboot the system |
| 10:50.50 | maxcell_ | should i try to reinstall the "ds4drv"/ |
| 10:52.14 | maxcell_ | i uninstall it now i will reboot and install again |
| 10:52.44 | rant | maxcell_: as I said earlier I dont see how installing mirocode could cause this issue unless something else happened.. like a kernel upgrade or something |
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| 10:55.27 | maxcell_ | yeah, didn't work |
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| 10:59.00 | SanchoPensa | guys, what the heck am i gonna do witht his? ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000400-0x000000000000041F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000400-0x000000000000040F (\SMRG) (20160831/utaddress-247) |
| 10:59.21 | SanchoPensa | i have a hangign bootsequence, i DOEs continue after a while, but there is a timeout wait. |
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| 11:02.23 | rant | maxcell_: having looked up this driver you're using, it says it comes with a udev rules file you just have to copy into place |
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| 11:03.05 | rant | maxcell_: https://github.com/chrippa/ds4drv/blob/master/udev/50-ds4drv.rules |
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| 11:05.06 | rant | SanchoPensa: as is often the case with errors from the kernel, what comes before or after is usually the relevant part.. whats happening here is that something is trying to claim an IO range that belongs to your ACPI SMRG and thats notmaking it very happy.. whatever message comes before that is probably indicating what it is thats trying to do this |
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| 11:06.07 | SanchoPensa | rant: thank you so far! waht is an SMRGß |
| 11:06.09 | SanchoPensa | ? |
| 11:06.16 | rant | SanchoPensa: while I could avoid this error, I can't in good conscious tell you how to do that without knowing more.. because it could result in instability which can likely be solved some other way |
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| 11:06.38 | SanchoPensa | rant: it might be the network adapter. |
| 11:06.47 | rant | its the System Management Region of the ACPI |
| 11:06.51 | SanchoPensa | or one of the two, cos the motherboard actually has two of them |
| 11:07.15 | SanchoPensa | rant: the what? what does that do? |
| 11:08.11 | rant | basically what's happening here is the ACPI in your system is trying to manage resources like IO ports intelligently.. you can loosen up its control on this but it could result in any number of instability issues.. when realy you need to fix the conflict |
| 11:08.44 | maxcell_ | rant, omg |
| 11:08.54 | maxcell_ | rant, thanks!! |
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| 11:09.13 | rant | to even begin to know how to address this issue I need to know what the rest of the message is.. the relevant part.. this is the effect, not the cause |
| 11:09.24 | SanchoPensa | rant: yeah, i just duckduckwent to see, and i found that conflict explained |
| 11:09.34 | rant | it'd also be nice to know if this just suddenly started happening and if you changed something |
| 11:09.52 | rant | heh.. "duckduckwent" that's a good one :P |
| 11:09.55 | SanchoPensa | rant: and yes, i agree, i am not quite sure, how to detect that particular conflict, though... |
| 11:10.04 | SanchoPensa | dmesg isnt all to informative about it... |
| 11:10.16 | SanchoPensa | heh! :) |
| 11:10.40 | rant | typically when you see kernel errors it goes like this foo: bars \n bar: foo: barred me |
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| 11:11.00 | rant | you only pasted the effect, not the cause that came before it :P |
| 11:11.09 | SanchoPensa | rant: which is, what i was looking for, but haven't found so far |
| 11:11.21 | SanchoPensa | but gimme a sec, pls. i will do a grep on all them logs... |
| 11:11.25 | rant | usually its the very last line before the message |
| 11:11.55 | SanchoPensa | rant: dude... I do untestand that, do you on the other hand understand, that this is me asking for assistance in finding it's origin? :P |
| 11:12.04 | rant | heh |
| 11:12.17 | SanchoPensa | put that tongue of yours out again, and i shall slap it with a fly squatter! :P |
| 11:12.51 | rant | I dont understand how you got that message and can't see the rest of it :P usually you're lookin at dmesg or journalctl or such |
| 11:16.21 | SanchoPensa | oh boy |
| 11:16.58 | SanchoPensa | rant: keep your tongue inside, you danmed perv, and other than that here: https://paste.debian.net/1011126/ :P |
| 11:17.07 | SanchoPensa | am I fuckt or what?? |
| 11:17.57 | rant | well buggy bios and such arent that uncommon and are typically workable.. linux really doesnt care what the f'n bios thinks once it has control of the system :P |
| 11:18.28 | SanchoPensa | not the issue, dude... |
| 11:18.40 | SanchoPensa | why is my root dir remounted read only? |
| 11:18.44 | SanchoPensa | first of all |
| 11:19.00 | SanchoPensa | second: what the fuck is dbus trying to connect with on the net?? |
| 11:19.22 | SanchoPensa | and what the hell is the error that results from its incapability to do so??? |
| 11:20.03 | BanHammor | sounds fairly easy to me: it tries to get an SMB share mounted |
| 11:20.13 | rant | seems gvfsd was trying to get on the SMB network |
| 11:20.26 | SanchoPensa | like Couldn't create directory monitor on smb://x-gnome-default-workgroup/. Error: The specified location is not mounted |
| 11:20.32 | SanchoPensa | like, WAHT, WHAT?? |
| 11:20.39 | SanchoPensa | dafuq is going on ?!? |
| 11:21.27 | SanchoPensa | hey, how do I fiond out, wha my root dir is mounted read only? |
| 11:21.40 | BanHammor | is it actually mounted read only? |
| 11:22.06 | BanHammor | e.g. is the output of mount displaying the ro option? |
| 11:22.39 | SanchoPensa | BanHammor: it is indeed, i just doble chekced it |
| 11:22.49 | rant | same way you find out why something is trying to claim your SMRG IO ports.. by reading the kernel msg buffer rather than grepping logs that cuts out the whole picture |
| 11:22.58 | SanchoPensa | /dev/sda3 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered) |
| 11:23.05 | BanHammor | that is not ro |
| 11:23.08 | SanchoPensa | oh wait |
| 11:23.14 | BanHammor | that is "errors=remount-ro" |
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| 11:23.59 | BanHammor | which, if you googled what it means, is "remount as read-only if an error is encountered" |
| 11:24.24 | SanchoPensa | BanHammor: i know, thanks, bro, i just misread this, maybe this helps: Feb 20 10:31:19 sentinel kernel: [   35.746107] EXT4-fs (sda3): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro |
| 11:24.44 | SanchoPensa | the important part being: (sda3): re-mounted. |
| 11:24.47 | BanHammor | that's just the bootup sequence |
| 11:25.02 | SanchoPensa | yeah, bt why does it RE-mount? |
| 11:25.19 | BanHammor | because of initrd stuff, IIRC |
| 11:25.55 | SanchoPensa | BanHammor: i am confused... I dunno, if you read aong before, but the task rant and I agreed upon, was to find out, what is causing the IO conflict on the dbus |
| 11:26.13 | SanchoPensa | i see... |
| 11:26.17 | BanHammor | okay, cool, the kernel option stuff is not it. |
| 11:26.19 | SanchoPensa | so not the wait... |
| 11:26.28 | SanchoPensa | yeah, i see... :D |
| 11:26.57 | SanchoPensa | BanHammor: so hwat about the other error? |
| 11:27.15 | SanchoPensa | the dbus trying to connect to some smb adress?!? |
| 11:27.20 | BanHammor | you might just wanna follow rant's advice: stop grepping logs and look at them whole |
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| 11:28.23 | SanchoPensa | BanHammor: yeah, as said before, hen i did that, there appeared to be a problem with the network adapter |
| 11:28.47 | BanHammor | cool. mind pasting the whole log so we can actually look at it? |
| 11:28.55 | rant | may also want to lookinto that systemd-analyze blame if your end goal is to address boot time |
| 11:28.57 | SanchoPensa | BanHammor: i do not know yet, whether i am dealing with a multiple source problem here, like a fkt up north bridge or something |
| 11:29.40 | SanchoPensa | systemd-analyze blame? geez, guys, you are speaking in riddles todas... :D |
| 11:30.33 | rant | yes, systemd-analyze blame shows you how much time is spent on each unit |
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| 11:31.56 | rant | and personally I dont know the systemd-era quiv of just getting /var/log/dmesg which no longer exists.. but if your system hasnt been running for ages the dmesg command probably still has all the boot messages in the buffer |
| 11:32.15 | rant | dmesg > dmesg.log |
| 11:32.53 | SanchoPensa | gusy, mind the line, where it says Feb 20 11:58:09 sentinel kernel: [ 5247.859328] perf: interrupt took too long (4924 > 4923), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 40500 |
| 11:33.02 | SanchoPensa | https://paste.debian.net/1011129/ |
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| 11:36.11 | rant | has no intention of minding any lines from snippets of logs only containing pieces of the kmsg buffer to begin with |
| 11:36.20 | SanchoPensa | ok, I got failed samba makedirs https://paste.debian.net/1011130/ |
| 11:36.37 | rant | the linux kernel is verbose.. pretty much every system has it complaining about something.. doesnt necessarily indicate a problem |
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| 11:37.07 | SanchoPensa | rant: duude. would you quit doing that nick of yours honor, and just spit it out, what you want me to do? |
| 11:37.10 | SanchoPensa | huh? ;) |
| 11:38.11 | SanchoPensa | yeah. i wonder. |
| 11:38.12 | SanchoPensa | why does gvfs want to create samba directories. |
| 11:38.12 | SanchoPensa | i dont have any samba installed. or at least, i shouldnt. |
| 11:38.26 | SanchoPensa | something is weird. |
| 11:39.56 | rant | I've said it at least 3 times now.. even specifically said dmesg > dmesg.log which is how you create a logfile that actually has the kmsg buffer intact and unabridged |
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| 11:41.44 | g0zzy | If you're not meant to edit grub.cfg, what's the preferred way of customizing the menu? |
| 11:42.06 | SanchoPensa | rant: https://paste.debian.net/1011131/ |
| 11:42.19 | SanchoPensa | rant: you said that indeed... |
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| 11:43.30 | SanchoPensa | rant: and i dont like to put out my interior organs on the net like this, you know? ;) |
| 11:43.40 | maxcell_ | how can i make a udev rule to allow the modules "uinput" and "hidraw" to have a "660" (rw-rw----) permissions and the change the group owner to that particular module "uinput" and "hidraw" to root.imput rather then root.root. There is any way i can do that without the need to change anymore modules owner in /dev/? |
| 11:45.05 | rant | SanchoPensa: lines 607-609 were what I was talking about, 607 shows the cause, 609 suggests a solution.. when you take the middle part out, you lose the context of what's actually happening |
| 11:46.10 | rant | maxcell_: that udev rules file you have already does this.. it specifically looks for certain vendor/prod id codes.. you just need to change the mode to 660 rather than 666 and add a GROUP= param and make a group you want to use, and add your user to it |
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| 11:47.41 | SanchoPensa | rant: yeah, well stated, ole friend, which brings us back to that same ole question, that we took off with. |
| 11:47.41 | SanchoPensa | WHAT DEVICE WOULD THAT BE? |
| 11:47.44 | SanchoPensa | :P |
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| 11:48.19 | rant | SanchoPensa: yeah we're gettin there.. I had assumed it was smbus bt I needed more info :P |
| 11:49.14 | bs0d | Hello. How to add a directory to $PATH in Debian 9? I've tried editing ~/.profile and created ~/.bash_profile and added there PATH = $PATH:/usr/local/program, but nothing did work. Am I missing something? |
| 11:49.27 | SanchoPensa | rant: oh do you now? :D |
| 11:49.33 | SanchoPensa | what do you need? |
| 11:49.55 | SPF | bs0d: remove the spaces |
| 11:50.37 | SanchoPensa | rant: can't upload syslog to debian past, it's too long, and i'd have to truncate it anways... so, where to look? |
| 11:51.31 | BanHammor | g0zzy, belatedly: /etc/defaults/grub i think, ArchWiki has a decent article on editing grub |
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| 11:51.57 | bs0d | SPF that did not change anything. I tried to close and open again the terminal window, and the $PATH is still unchanged. I have a suspicion that the ~/.profile file is not read at all |
| 11:52.44 | g0zzy | BanHammor: Thanks. I see someone's written something for Ubuntu to customize grub |
| 11:52.46 | SPF | bs0d: did you try to set it in .bashrc ? |
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| 11:53.29 | bs0d | SPF no, people in linux forums generally recommend against doing it, arguing that ~/.bashrc is not a proper place for environment variables. |
| 11:53.37 | rant | SanchoPensa: only thing I know of offhand is i2cdetect in the i2c-tools package I was trying to figure out more.. I never looked up this info.. I know where things like /proc/interrupts are.. idk where the heck info is on the smbus :P |
| 11:54.14 | rant | SanchoPensa: what about lspci -nn? that may help |
| 11:54.53 | BanHammor | bs0d, who are those people? |
| 11:55.11 | rant | SanchoPensa: because whichever piece of hw this is, is on the PCI bus.. that much I do know as of right now |
| 11:55.31 | SPF | bs0d: you could add for example "touch /tmp/test" and see if it executes. Otherwise you have to view the bash configuration files in /etc/bash* |
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| 11:55.41 | BanHammor | usually, .bash_profile sources bashrc, and bash_profile itself only gets sourced on fresh login |
| 11:56.02 | SanchoPensa | rant: isee... so not the entwork adapter? |
| 11:56.15 | BanHammor | so i don't exactly know what their argument for putting variables in profile even is |
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| 11:57.06 | rant | SanchoPensa: idk you tell me where the heck 0000:00:1f.3 lies in the lspci -nn output and I'll tell you what you just told me :P |
| 11:57.22 | SanchoPensa | rant: oh, both network adapters are on the pci bus, my bad... |
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| 11:57.57 | bs0d | BanHammor for instance, here in the accepted answer ("where to put it part") https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26047/how-to-correctly-add-a-path-to-path |
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| 11:58.05 | rant | yes well the device in question is on the pci bus at that address 0000:00:1f.3 |
| 11:58.16 | bs0d | BanHammor but it worked for me, putting it ~/.bashrc actually did work |
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| 12:00.02 | BanHammor | the only use for bash_profile i can think of is running various scripts on login |
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| 12:00.55 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 12:01.07 | SanchoPensa | rant: i was just gonna ask about that number |
| 12:01.14 | SanchoPensa | where the heck do i find it? |
| 12:01.40 | tobiasBora | I'd like to know, when I install debian, is it supposed to be installed in both "modes" UEFI and CSM/legacy mode, or do I need to do something special to install it in CSM mode? |
| 12:01.56 | rant | SanchoPensa: its probably just your intel smbus controller, but it'd be in lspci output |
| 12:02.21 | SanchoPensa | rant: unfortunately it itsn't, i just counle read it |
| 12:02.27 | SanchoPensa | double :D |
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| 12:03.09 | SanchoPensa | is there something like a device list somewhere in /proc or something? |
| 12:03.18 | rant | which I already figured out by looking up the vend/prod id code |
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| 12:04.23 | SanchoPensa | rant: sound hda intel?!? |
| 12:05.01 | BanHammor | boot up your install medium in legacy mode, tobiasBora |
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| 12:05.56 | BanHammor | (afaik debian cannot install in both legacy AND UEFI mode at the same time, but i'll let other people correct me on that) |
| 12:06.27 | SanchoPensa | rant: and that despite: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 02) |
| 12:06.27 | SanchoPensa | ? |
| 12:06.52 | rant | SanchoPensa: no, its an smbus controller typically used for onboard sensors |
| 12:07.12 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: and then what should I do to make my initial debian partition boot in csm mode? Because I'd like to avoid to reinstall it in legacy mode |
| 12:07.23 | tobiasBora | (I won't have uefi mode after that) |
| 12:07.25 | rant | SanchoPensa: you're looking for 1f.3 not 1b.0 |
| 12:07.39 | SanchoPensa | rant: onboard sensors? yes, i know! |
| 12:09.12 | SanchoPensa | rant: i see a gazillion threads with that ID,t hat say snd hda intel... |
| 12:09.18 | SanchoPensa | sno sensor thang... |
| 12:09.25 | SanchoPensa | -s |
| 12:09.35 | rant | SanchoPensa: is i2c_i801 loaded? lsmod | grep i2c |
| 12:09.54 | SanchoPensa | sec |
| 12:09.55 | BanHammor | i honestly haven't tried this, but i'm guessing you will need to boot something else via legacy, chroot into debian, and run something like apt remove grub-efi; apt install grub-pc |
| 12:10.24 | SanchoPensa | rant: kernel says, it is! |
| 12:10.24 | BanHammor | there will probably also be problems with /boot/efi since that no longer applies |
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| 12:10.44 | rant | SanchoPensa: that id is not the product id, its the bus address.. in your system 1f.3 is mapped to vend/prod code 8086:283e which is an intel SMBus controller |
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| 12:11.45 | SanchoPensa | rant: it is mapped where? |
| 12:12.04 | rant | SanchoPensa: along the PCI bus.. heh.. |
| 12:12.12 | SanchoPensa | that's what i was asking before, if there was somethign like a device list in /proc or so? |
| 12:12.33 | rant | SanchoPensa: you got two ways of solving this issue, either load a working driver or tell acpi to back off and deal with the consequences |
| 12:12.34 | SanchoPensa | rant: dude, that is not where the pci adress is mapped to the vendor ID :D |
| 12:12.48 | rant | or just unload the module causing the problem and lose functionality of the device |
| 12:13.03 | SanchoPensa | rant: all the three of them not an option |
| 12:13.20 | SanchoPensa | this motherboard is some 9 yrs old, i doubt, there are any newr sound drivers available... |
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| 12:13.42 | rant | idk how many times I gotta tell you this has absolutely nothing to do with your sound |
| 12:13.43 | BanHammor | tobiasBora, ...can you avoid this somehow? like, what exactly do you need to switch to legacy boot for? |
| 12:13.49 | SanchoPensa | I didnt have this issue in the previous 4 debian verisons on this computer,though... |
| 12:14.26 | SanchoPensa | rant: i don#t know how many times i gotta tell you, that it doesnt matter, iff its the sound or the smbus, as the mainboard is still 9 yrs old? |
| 12:14.44 | SanchoPensa | rant: dude watch your language, if you will, i am not your brat. |
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| 12:15.29 | SanchoPensa | i still thank you for your assistance, though. |
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| 12:15.50 | rant | SanchoPensa: https://paste.debian.net/1011131/ (your kernel buffer) line 251: pci 0000:00:1f.3: [8086:283e] type 00 class 0x0c0500, line 253: pci 0000:00:1f.3: reg 0x20: [io 0x0400-0x041f], line 607: i801_smbus 0000:00:1f.3: enabling device (0001 -> 0003), and the rest you know, lines 608-609 |
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| 12:16.38 | SanchoPensa | hehehe |
| 12:16.42 | SanchoPensa | there you go. |
| 12:16.46 | rant | SanchoPensa: its likely the i2c_801 driver or lack there of causing the problem |
| 12:16.47 | SanchoPensa | thank you once more! |
| 12:16.55 | JustASlacker | is there a debian package for proxmoxer? |
| 12:17.00 | JustASlacker | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/proxmoxer |
| 12:17.00 | SanchoPensa | rant: its there |
| 12:19.49 | rant | SanchoPensa: thats where I have the issue.. if the driver is loaded, it should be avoiding these issue, which leads me to think there is an i2c sensor its enabling that is using that IO address and causing the issue.. which is why I suggested i2c-tools to try figure out what sorts of i2c devices you got in there.. this could be say a thermal sensor on your graphics card or something.. who knows |
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| 12:20.45 | rant | SanchoPensa: likely as you say, there is something in /proc, /sys, or /dev that can get this info but idk where.. all I know is there are utilities in i2c-tools that query the right locations and tell you |
| 12:21.51 | SanchoPensa | rant: good place to start then, thanks once more! |
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| 12:23.08 | rant | SanchoPensa: you see how those lines I picked out of your kmsg buffer all correlate.. pci 1f.3 points to device 8086:283e which is the smbus controller, which points to io 0x0400-0x041f which is the address range complained of in the error.. and we see i801_smbus enabling device 0001 -> 0003 and thats where we dead end.. knowing what device that is on the smbus |
| 12:23.37 | rant | its right after the smbus controller enables that device that the error occurs |
| 12:24.18 | SanchoPensa | rant: trail of breadcrumbs, business, as usual... :D |
| 12:24.23 | rant | SanchoPensa: if this is the controller itself, you may be able to pass an argument to the module, see modinfo i2c_801 to see if it accepts and arguments related to IO ports |
| 12:24.40 | SanchoPensa | oh boy... |
| 12:24.50 | SanchoPensa | who are you really, Katy? |
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| 12:25.45 | rant | SanchoPensa: the end all is to pass acpi_enforce_resources=lax to the kernel command line at boot and tell ACPI to back off :P if you can't work around another way |
| 12:27.09 | SanchoPensa | rant: i gotwo other options: to ignore that 1 Minute wait at boot time, or to just turn the damned ACPI off in BIOS |
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| 12:27.47 | SanchoPensa | I am so far not having any trouble, once it is up and running.. |
| 12:28.22 | SanchoPensa | rant: except for the fact, that pavucontrol as of late only shows mono sound tracks only anymore... :P |
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| 12:35.05 | maxcell_ | rant, how would this code be if the group was "imput" https://github.com/chrippa/ds4drv/blob/master/udev/50-ds4drv.rules |
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| 12:36.12 | BluesKaj | 'Morning |
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| 13:03.19 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: The thing is that for some strange reason, the computer of a (remote) friend does not boot since the installation of debian 9, neither on Windows or debian. |
| 13:03.38 | tobiasBora | it just bootloop on the Bios setup (EZ mode) |
| 13:03.47 | BanHammor | that sounds...very familiar. |
| 13:03.55 | tobiasBora | but he can still boot on usb |
| 13:03.57 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: really ? |
| 13:04.03 | BanHammor | you talked about this here before, right? |
| 13:04.07 | tobiasBora | yes |
| 13:04.29 | tobiasBora | my friend was not here for a week, on I will talk with he in a few mn |
| 13:04.36 | tobiasBora | to solve the problem |
| 13:05.19 | tobiasBora | that's why meantime I try to see if it has some chance to boot on CSM mode even if it was not install in CSM mode |
| 13:05.35 | tobiasBora | so I guess there is no chance ^^' |
| 13:07.50 | regenkind | Hi, I need some help to understand and modify a tutorial to install Debian Wheezy on a Buffalo link station (ARM) |
| 13:08.16 | regenkind | I followed this tutorial to build the Debian file system and build the firmware |
| 13:08.18 | regenkind | https://tohenk.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/debian-wheezy-on-linkstation-ls421de/ |
| 13:09.13 | regenkind | My main problem is that I don't want to open the link station an partition the disks on another computer |
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| 13:10.33 | regenkind | So what I'd like to do is to partition the linkstation via my ssh connection and prepare the link stations filesystem and then reboot into the new kernel |
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| 13:10.59 | regenkind | The link station is working with a Raid 1 |
| 13:11.11 | regenkind | Anyone interested? |
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| 13:12.06 | petn-randall | regenkind: Unless you can boot it from a USB stick or CD, I don't see how you could do that. |
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| 13:12.40 | petn-randall | regenkind: Personally I'd also go with a current release, wheezy is practically EOL. |
| 13:12.43 | petn-randall | !wheezy-lts |
| 13:12.43 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
| 13:12.45 | regenkind | Ok, so I absolutely need a secondary boot device. |
| 13:13.33 | regenkind | Will do update late for sure, but first I want to get it up and running |
| 13:13.42 | petn-randall | regenkind: Yes, which is why I'm assuming it's easier to take the device out. Also, many steps on the tutorial are IMHO bad practice, such as downloading the debootstrap.deb and installing it without dependency resolution. |
| 13:14.34 | regenkind | Definitely is, as the mentioned version did not work, had to go back one version earlier even. |
| 13:15.03 | petn-randall | regenkind: I don't know the HW details of that device, but there might easier ways to install Debian on it. That tutorial is already several years out of date. |
| 13:15.04 | regenkind | But it build without complain, so ... will try it. |
| 13:15.28 | petn-randall | regenkind: Do you already have Debian on your workstation? |
| 13:15.33 | SanchoPensa | rant: you know what? i2cdetect -l doesnt detect anything. just returns NILL |
| 13:15.59 | regenkind | No, I am using manjaro on my main server but the scripts worked alright |
| 13:16.38 | regenkind | On the link station I created the chroot env as described and that worked all out |
| 13:17.14 | regenkind | The problem with the buffalo firmware is that there are no updates for the latest security issues |
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| 13:18.18 | regenkind | Therefore I want to transform the link station to a Debian home server with OpenMediaVault |
| 13:18.33 | petn-randall | regenkind: Well, wheezy will only get security updates until the end of May, so that won't buy you much. |
| 13:18.52 | petn-randall | !omv |
| 13:18.52 | dpkg | OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at http://wiki.openmediavault.org/ and #openmediavault on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:19.24 | regenkind | Well I thought once I have Debian installed I thought I could do a distribution update ? |
| 13:19.24 | petn-randall | regenkind: Note the omv and Debian are separate projects, so you might want to ask for support in their channel. ^^^ |
| 13:19.55 | regenkind | The openMediaVault is not that important.... More like an example |
| 13:19.56 | petn-randall | regenkind: I'm not sure that would even work. If you want omv, I'd try to install that. |
| 13:20.34 | regenkind | I just want a regular linux distribution on this box, either arch or Debian is fine |
| 13:20.55 | BanHammor | tobiasBora, sorry, i got distracted: you should ask your friend to reinstall in CSM mode, it will be MUCH easier than mucking about with chroot |
| 13:21.46 | petn-randall | regenkind: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 13:22.08 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: the thing is that if he reinstall with CSM, he won't be able to boot on Windows anymore |
| 13:22.11 | petn-randall | regenkind: I'd try installing it as described in the release notes, you'll have the best chances for it to boot that way. |
| 13:22.14 | tobiasBora | and I think he still need windows |
| 13:22.35 | regenkind | Ok, will do so |
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| 13:23.18 | petn-randall | tobiasBora: At this point it's probably best to get your friend into the channel to respond, that would save you the time relaying ideas back and forth. |
| 13:23.31 | petn-randall | (just an idea) |
| 13:24.01 | BanHammor | tobiasBora, i think debian should still pick up the windows install via os-prober |
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| 13:25.20 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: even if windows is not installed in csm mode? |
| 13:27.15 | BanHammor | (someone back me up on this) i think so, yeah |
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| 13:30.15 | BCMM | CSM means BIOS mode right? |
| 13:30.48 | BCMM | i'm dual-booting debian and windows 7, both in UEFI mode, and grub has always autodetected windows |
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| 13:32.23 | BanHammor | yes, but the question is: does grub-bios successfully chainload an UEFI install of windows? |
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| 13:39.09 | petererer | Hmm, CVE-2018-1000027 also has not been fixed for stable/oldstable. |
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| 13:41.14 | petererer | Fixed for oldoldstable though, heh |
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| 13:53.53 | opv | hey guys, i have an inquiry about a debian 8 server running on a 10G drive. there is a 1.8G discrepancy between "df -h" and "du -sch / 2>/dev/null". can you help me make sense of this? |
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| 13:55.06 | opv | it is the df command that reports 1.8G more used hdd space |
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| 13:56.55 | dmn_ | opv, lsof / | fgrep 'deleted' |
| 13:57.19 | dmn_ | (run with rot privs) |
| 13:57.27 | dmn_ | root, sorry |
| 13:57.59 | jelly | !list deleted files |
| 13:57.59 | dpkg | [list deleted files] lsof -n +L1 |
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| 13:58.11 | jelly | opv: check for those ^ |
| 13:58.43 | jelly | opv: also use -x with du |
| 13:58.47 | alexises | Hello, I need to be able to use md5 signed certificate under debian 9. How to renable md5 support ? |
| 13:59.06 | jelly | (tell it not to du other filesystems) |
| 13:59.13 | opv | thank you very much, dmn_ , jelly |
| 13:59.42 | opv | i've identified a couple of deleted files, but somehow can't have the processes stop using them. we have swapspace and apache. i've done an apache restart, and a swapon;swapoff, but no change in the opened, deleted files |
| 13:59.44 | jelly | alexises: what kind of certificate, with which tool? What's the exact command that fails and its output? |
| 14:00.01 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:00.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:01.16 | alexises | jelly: It's a cert too weak signed with md5WithRSAEncryption |
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| 14:06.12 | bites | an apt repository signing key or what? |
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| 14:11.43 | jelly | alexises: what's the exact command or tool that says that? |
| 14:12.22 | jelly | alexises: can you show the complete output? is it a CLI or a GUI tool? |
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| 14:12.27 | jelly | and which one? |
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| 14:13.32 | alexises | jelly: it's nginx I got nginx: [emerg] SSL_CTX_use_certificate("/etc/ssl/certs/weekcert.pem") failed (SSL: error:140AB18E:SSL routines:SSL_CTX_use_certificate:ca md too weak) |
| 14:16.23 | metastable | I'm going to ask what possible use you could have for an MD5-signed CA certificate. |
| 14:17.08 | jelly | who said it was CA |
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| 14:17.41 | metastable | "ca md too weak" |
| 14:18.19 | alexises | metastable: an old device, that have bundeled static CA. So I'm stuck with it |
| 14:18.33 | metastable | alexises: Ouch. |
| 14:18.46 | alexises | yes it's suck |
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| 14:19.05 | b-04 | hi to all |
| 14:19.21 | b-04 | I have a problem with squid 3.5, specifically with the site of linkedin.com, sometimes when they enter the site it looks broken, like not loading the whole page, the css sheets and some js. I do not cache with the proxy, and the domain linkedin.com as licdn.com are in an acl of allowed without authentication. Any idea what could it be? |
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| 14:22.16 | metastable | alexises: Under any other circumstance, I wouldn't advise this, but given that you have little choice, there is ONE thing you can try. |
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| 14:22.35 | metastable | alexises: I don't guarantee success. Can you pastebin your nginx configuration, so I can understand better what's going on? |
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| 14:23.02 | tw | Sign it with two CAs. Send both. |
| 14:23.43 | tw | actually, nm, that won't work if nginx is telling you off. |
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| 14:25.33 | metastable | tw: Newb moment, here. I've never actually signed a cert with multiple CAs. How is that done? |
| 14:26.17 | tw | you cross sign the intermediates or sign the key with both CA and have two certs. |
| 14:27.06 | metastable | I have some research to do. |
| 14:27.25 | tw | you don't end up with a more secure certificate because the weak cert is still in the chain. |
| 14:27.40 | oo_miguel | what would be a simple way to listen on a network interface for incoming connections, and show their IP's |
| 14:27.43 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 14:28.03 | tw | oo_miguel: tcpdump? |
| 14:28.16 | oo_miguel | hmm I will give it a try |
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| 14:34.32 | oo_miguel | tw: works perfectly thank you |
| 14:35.44 | tw | the bpf syntax is a bit annoying to get used to, and definitely use -n because dns lookups will bottleneck your dumps, but it's a really useful network analysis tool to learn. |
| 14:36.23 | oo_miguel | yeah. the syntax is very confusing. I just copy and paste examples I find, and adapt them with litttle understanding :P |
| 14:36.26 | tw | wireshark is a similar gui tool, but you still should use the bpf filter and not the gui filter. |
| 14:36.37 | oo_miguel | I prefer a cli solution |
| 14:36.45 | oo_miguel | do not have a gui available everywhere |
| 14:37.10 | BCMM | is there an easy way to get a list of packages that weren't installed from repos? (e.g. installed with wget ; dpkg -i) |
| 14:37.23 | oo_miguel | tw: thank you once again! |
| 14:38.13 | tw | oo_miguel: iptraf-ng may also be interesting to you. |
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| 14:38.35 | tw | But possibly not if the connections are being ignored. |
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| 14:39.09 | alexises | metastable: hum, it's pretty basic :) |
| 14:39.15 | alexises | let met offuscate it ;) |
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| 14:41.47 | metastable | alexises: Unless there's a public facing IP, fully qualified domain, or password in it, there's nothing to obfuscate. |
| 14:44.06 | alexises | https://pastebin.com/xnTL6y5G |
| 14:44.21 | alexises | metastable: fqdn on name of files and server ;) |
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| 14:45.14 | metastable | alexises: Okay, that's fair. Sorry, I get hyper-annoyed when I see people acting like their 192.168.x.x addresses are SOOPER SEKRIT. |
| 14:46.17 | alexises | metastable: it could be if it's can be linked to the relevent company, it's gain (a little bit) of information about internal addressing |
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| 14:47.41 | metastable | alexises: Yeah, not really. Oh, wow, you use an RFC 1918 address space internally, who'd have thought? |
| 14:48.03 | metastable | alexises: At the end of "ssl_ciphers," try tacking on ":@SECLEVEL=0" and see if it'll work. |
| 14:48.17 | alexises | I check ;) |
| 14:49.37 | alexises | bad luck |
| 14:50.09 | metastable | alexises: I dismiss the notion that your internal IP scheme is somehow sensitive as a violation of Shannon's Maxim. If I can initiate a connection to the system, I'm inside your network, and nmap will tell me anything I could want to know about your IP scheme anyway. |
| 14:50.22 | metastable | alexises: Crap. That was the only thing I could think of that might force OpenSSL into accepting the CA. |
| 14:50.35 | tw | OPENSSL_ENABLE_MD5_VERIFY=1 |
| 14:50.51 | tw | in nginx startup environment. |
| 14:51.15 | alexises | ok, I check this :) |
| 14:51.45 | metastable | tw: You're a font of knowledge, today. |
| 14:52.28 | tw | I'm actually a computer pretending to be a person. |
| 14:52.50 | metastable | Ahh, hello Skynet. |
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| 14:56.21 | alexises | tw: I had exported this env and started it manually but no luck :'( |
| 14:56.47 | tw | Hmm, I'm out of ideas too then. |
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| 14:57.43 | alexises | hum, I begin to think it's had be definitively removed |
| 14:57.59 | alexises | (not for bad) |
| 14:58.24 | tw | I still have md5 certs I use for signing really old fw images. It's bad for me <.< |
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| 15:28.40 | toli | guys, I need a hand over networking on Stretch |
| 15:29.02 | toli | wanted to use wicd, and remover the network-manager |
| 15:29.44 | toli | now, when i use wicd-curses and click one connect LAN it connects receives its IP and then disconnected |
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| 15:33.07 | toli | do you think i have another network manager droping the connection of wicd |
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| 15:45.42 | teatime | toli: have you checked the logs? (e.g., start `sudo journalctl -f` in a terminal, then tell wicd to connect. |
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| 15:49.45 | toli | teatime, some errors there. dhclient.c:2733 Failed to send 300 byte long packet over fallback interface |
| 15:50.25 | teatime | could you show your /etc/network/interfaces please? |
| 15:50.38 | teatime | perhaps you have an instance of dhclient competing w/ wicd, for one thing to check. |
| 15:50.48 | toli | auto lo |
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| 15:50.51 | Brigo | toli, it happens to me when the wifi connection is broken. |
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| 15:50.56 | toli | iface lo inet loopback |
| 15:50.56 | teatime | or perhaps it's just some weird error fcondition |
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| 15:57.09 | toli | is my interfqces file ok? |
| 15:57.17 | toli | interfaces* |
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| 16:02.06 | cluelessperson | I did this command, dpkg --add-architecture i836 |
| 16:02.09 | cluelessperson | is that bad? |
| 16:02.20 | cluelessperson | and if so, how do I undo before I do anything else? |
| 16:02.21 | somiaj | cluelessperson: with that typo? |
| 16:02.45 | somiaj | cluelessperson: it shouldn't be, you can use --list-archietecture or something like that to see if it actually accepted it, then there is a remove command |
| 16:02.48 | somiaj | you should be fine |
| 16:03.19 | cluelessperson | somiaj: no typo |
| 16:03.26 | cluelessperson | somiaj: ah, thanks |
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| 16:04.28 | cluelessperson | root@ZWAFER:/home/zac# dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 16:04.28 | cluelessperson | i386 |
| 16:04.31 | cluelessperson | somiaj: ^ |
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| 16:04.55 | cluelessperson | somiaj: I guess the problem is, I'm not sure if it was there before |
| 16:05.05 | cluelessperson | how do I verify if it was even added reently? |
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| 16:06.09 | somiaj | cluelessperson: I don't know if you can see when it was added. But on an amd64 system that is safe and many do it so they can run 32bit software. |
| 16:06.27 | somiaj | cluelessperson: dpkg -l | grep i386 (look for packagename:i386) well let you know if you have anything installed from the i386 repos. |
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| 16:07.39 | cluelessperson | somiaj: ah, looks like I was previously using it |
| 16:07.47 | cluelessperson | somiaj: Also looks like Steam is 32bit based |
| 16:08.14 | somiaj | correct, many games are still made only 32bit since they run just fine on 32bit and 64bit oses |
| 16:09.50 | ageis | I'm confused about the output of dpkg --force-help |
| 16:10.22 | ageis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.28 | somiaj | ageis: in general forcing things is usually not the way to fix problems. Also what part is confusing you? |
| 16:10.43 | ageis | is the [!] an inversion? |
| 16:11.01 | somiaj | read the full output. WARNING - use of options marked [!] can seriously damage your installation. |
| 16:11.14 | ageis | let's say I want to --force-confmiss, (install missing,) and also force-confask ( ask about ones already present) |
| 16:11.39 | jelly | !confmiss |
| 16:11.39 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 16:12.32 | jelly | most real life situation, you won't do it directly with dpkg, ageis |
| 16:12.46 | petn-randall | ageis: The man page is more verbose and uses correct english. You might want to file a bug report to clarify the terse output. |
| 16:12.47 | ageis | I have a specific use case for this |
| 16:12.47 | ageis | https://gist.github.com/ageis/33e04aadec7a39398de789f77d46c4a3#file-restore-pam-d-sh |
| 16:13.03 | ageis | I'm wanting to restore /etc/pam.d/* and /etc/dbus-1/* |
| 16:13.12 | ageis | in combination with dpkg =S |
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| 16:13.53 | ageis | ok, so --force-confmiss is enough, because it wlil prompt and ask about other configs that are already present |
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| 16:14.45 | jelly | it should not ask about default existing conffiles |
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| 16:15.09 | ageis | that would be --force-confnew |
| 16:15.23 | ageis | can I make --force-confnew apply to a specific dir? |
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| 16:16.04 | somiaj | ageis: I think the no is correct, it basically forces fvwm to prompt about replacing config files if there is no new version aviable. By defualt it does ask to replace when there are new versions avaiable. |
| 16:16.16 | somiaj | ageis: arg my mind is elsewhere, forces dpkg |
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| 16:17.04 | jelly | ageis: what do you mean, specific dir |
| 16:17.32 | ageis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.50 | ageis | all packages that have stuff in /etc/pam.d/ and /etc/dbus-1/ |
| 16:17.56 | somiaj | ageis: no confask, Offer to replace config files with no new versions, I was responding to your qeustion about that. |
| 16:18.01 | ageis | my dbus and login stuff is broken |
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| 16:18.26 | jelly | if there's a new version and current version is default, dpkg automatically replaces the conffile with new version |
| 16:18.31 | ageis | but so "--force-confmiss,confask" can be combined right? |
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| 16:20.01 | ageis | see my script, i'm using $(dpkg -S /etc/pam.d/\* | cut -d ':' -f ) to reinstall pkgs which have files in those directories |
| 16:20.10 | ageis | I want to make sure they're the intended versions |
| 16:20.17 | jelly | dpkg works on a per-package granularily. |
| 16:20.17 | dpkg | jelly: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:20.28 | ageis | gotha |
| 16:21.30 | jelly | the manual pretty much says you CAN use --force-confmiss and --force-confask at the same time in the description for confask |
| 16:21.34 | ageis | lke I could rm -f /etc/pam.d/* beforehand, use conf-miss, and anything outiside of there willl be prompted about, but ill get the new files |
| 16:21.52 | ageis | i recall getting an error |
| 16:21.54 | ageis | let me try itt agian |
| 16:21.54 | jelly | next time, have backups. |
| 16:22.17 | ageis | or etckeeper ;) |
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| 16:22.28 | jan_nabot | Command ' setterm --dump ' supposedly 'writes current virtual console snapshot' to file. I run it on Debian Xterm Tmux and all it returns is https://paste.linux.community/view/7a2c2efd . This looks not like terminal window my eyes see, but like something that is shown among other things in time of boot process. Question is: why snapshot contains this two lines and not other bootup messages? |
| 16:22.29 | jelly | VCS is a sort of backup. |
| 16:23.14 | ageis | my thing is that these various autologin PAM things have stuff insecure... and i'm gonna do this for /etc/dbus-1 too cause a ton of dbus contexts are broken |
| 16:23.34 | jelly | jan_nabot: a terminal emulator is not a "virtual console". VC is those things on Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc. |
| 16:25.04 | ageis | jelly: dpkg: error: unknown force/refuse option '--force-confask' |
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| 16:25.12 | ageis | whats the syntax for including confmiss and confask together |
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| 16:25.31 | ageis | --force-confmiss,confask? |
| 16:25.46 | jelly | I've never seen --force combined like that |
| 16:25.49 | ageis | --force 'confmiss,confask' |
| 16:26.12 | jelly | > things is a comma separated list of things specified below. |
| 16:26.18 | ageis | I did Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss,--force-confask" |
| 16:26.24 | ageis | and that gave me the eror |
| 16:26.41 | jelly | so I guess what you wrote might be valid syntax |
| 16:26.57 | jelly | ageis: Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss --force-confask" |
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| 16:27.10 | ageis | okay, space delimited |
| 16:27.10 | ageis | thanks |
| 16:27.16 | jelly | or what you wrote. |
| 16:28.10 | ageis | weird |
| 16:28.46 | ageis | might be a bug, or those are exclusive |
| 16:28.50 | ageis | mutually exclusive |
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| 16:31.30 | jelly | or more silly, second --force-foo overwrites any previous --force- settings |
| 16:32.13 | tw | that's pretty common behavior for options parsing, so I wouldn't think it unlikely. |
| 16:32.18 | ageis | the order |
| 16:32.26 | wrksx | I installed mutt in order to read mails on my system. I'd like to use it to read other users' emails, like www-data for instance which receives way too much email. But I don't know how to allow my user to read www-data's email with my own user |
| 16:32.41 | ageis | wrksw: groups |
| 16:32.46 | tw | wrksx: you can use /etc/aliases to dump it into your mailbox. |
| 16:33.04 | jelly | wrksx: mail in /var/mail/username? short answer is you don't |
| 16:33.09 | ageis | also /etc/procmailrc |
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| 16:33.38 | wrksx | lots of nice feedback, thank you guys |
| 16:33.44 | jelly | wrksx: either use root or su - www-data |
| 16:35.20 | wrksx | tw: looks like some aliases were rightly setup by the system (mailer-daemon -> postmaster, postmaster -> root, root -> <myuser>) |
| 16:35.38 | jelly | wrksx: alternatively, if you're the only admin, let all the relevant stuff deliver to your user via /etc/aliases |
| 16:36.00 | wrksx | yeah I'll probably end up doing that |
| 16:36.11 | ageis | but yeah aliases is the best way |
| 16:36.25 | jelly | then filter those however you like if needed |
| 16:36.31 | tw | remember to run `newaliases` after updating the /etc/aliases file |
| 16:37.16 | wrksx | Aebian: why /etc/procmail ? |
| 16:37.33 | wrksx | tw: alright, ty. |
| 16:38.17 | wrksx | If I alias www-data to my user, will mail stop from apearing in www-data's mailbox ? or will it be duplicated in both mailboxes ? |
| 16:38.36 | wrksx | aegis: why /etc/procmail ? |
| 16:38.42 | tw | it stops appearing in www-data's mailbox and is forwarded by the LDA to your mailbox. |
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| 16:39.21 | jelly | wrksx: alias will replace whatever current delivery destination |
| 16:39.43 | wrksx | tw, jelly: seems perfect =) |
| 16:39.53 | wrksx | what does LDA stand for ? |
| 16:39.58 | tw | local delivery agent. |
| 16:40.01 | wrksx | aright |
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| 16:40.35 | jelly | software that gets messages destined for local users from MTA and puts them in a mailbox |
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| 16:41.41 | wrksx | The email is not so straightforward to understand, and I'm always confused about what is my LDA, and my MTA |
| 16:41.50 | jelly | usually a MTA has its own LDA. Postfix has local(8), qmail has qmail-local |
| 16:42.23 | wrksx | How can I know which MTA/LDA is working on my system ? |
| 16:42.32 | jelly | wrksx: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 16:43.12 | jelly | LDA is set up as configuration for your MTA, you'd know if you changed it |
| 16:43.28 | wrksx | exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 16:43.42 | jelly | if not, it's the default one your MTA uses |
| 16:43.47 | wrksx | so I suppose that means I've got the default LDA for exim |
| 16:43.51 | jelly | right |
| 16:44.05 | tw | And exim4 is the default MTA for debian9, so this is a totally normal install. |
| 16:44.07 | jelly | and it's part of exim4 |
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| 16:46.32 | wrksx | Thanks for the help,I might be back tomorow for some more questions about local emails and exim =) see you guys |
| 16:47.02 | ageis | update-alternatives --display mailx |
| 16:47.13 | Simonious | I'm having some trouble with wifi configuration which I've tried to detail here https://pastebin.com/X1Lb5Wyi what should my next step be? |
| 16:47.52 | wrksx | ageis: (I write this down to check tomorow) |
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| 16:49.32 | ageis | just check --get-selections |
| 16:49.39 | ageis | there's slso a 'from' value |
| 16:49.43 | ageis | and other mail- relevent ones |
| 16:49.50 | ageis | i dont use sendmail so thats not in mine |
| 16:50.10 | ageis | ok, another pkg question |
| 16:50.36 | ageis | (dpkg -S /etc/dbus-1/\* | cut -d ':' -f 1) this gives me mostly single-line package names |
| 16:50.49 | ageis | but the very last line has three with commas |
| 16:50.52 | ageis | ightdm, gdm3, dbus |
| 16:50.58 | ageis | i can use shell to fix that, but wonder why that is |
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| 16:53.28 | jml2 | hey, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libvirt-daemon-system -- can't find 3.10 :/ |
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| 17:06.39 | Simonious | anybody got a clue on my wifi problem above at all? |
| 17:11.40 | somiaj | Simonious: what version of debian are you running? That is a strange kernel version. |
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| 17:17.18 | laurus | Does anyone know a simple way to convert a PDF that has filled-out form fields to a PDF that is exactly the same but where everything is just an image? |
| 17:18.20 | koollman | printing it? :) |
| 17:18.38 | Simonious | somiaj: it is on a HummingBoard - I'm scouring their forums now |
| 17:18.47 | laurus | kolla: yes, I'm trying to avoid doing that :P |
| 17:18.50 | memo1 | hi, is possible to show with "ls" commando only the filesize greater than "0"? |
| 17:19.15 | koollman | not with ls. probably with find |
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| 17:20.24 | jelly | memo1: find . -size +1c |
| 17:20.26 | koollman | memo1: something like that: find . -maxdepth 1 -not -empty -ls |
| 17:20.34 | jelly | !using find |
| 17:20.34 | dpkg | i guess using find is http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind or "man find" |
| 17:20.54 | jelly | and probably -type f |
| 17:21.41 | koollman | well yeah. it can be improved :) |
| 17:23.03 | jelly | sorry, mine's wrong and will miss files exactly 1 byte long |
| 17:23.15 | jelly | find . -size +0c |
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| 17:23.55 | jelly | it will also miss symlinks exactly 1 byte long :-) |
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| 17:25.55 | gr8 | are the default repositories ok for having a stable system without surprises, or should I disable the repos except the security updates? |
| 17:27.40 | jelly | gr8: they are ok. |
| 17:27.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell gr8 -about stretch sources.list |
| 17:29.26 | Aebian | anyone has an advice how to change a password of a user without the passwd prompt? |
| 17:29.45 | jelly | Aebian: which debian release? |
| 17:29.50 | Aebian | latest |
| 17:30.05 | Aebian | stretch |
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| 17:30.54 | jelly | Aebian: chpasswd if it's not still buggy |
| 17:31.21 | Aebian | I'll try and see, thanks |
| 17:31.24 | jelly | Aebian: found via: man -k passwd |
| 17:31.37 | Aebian | cool |
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| 17:44.04 | memo1 | jelly: koollman thank you, let my try |
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| 17:46.37 | memo1 | jelly: and if i want to see the sizes |
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| 17:55.29 | Aebian | if I want all files within a folder to be immutable even when new files are being uploaded, should I go with 'chattr +i' or is there a better way? |
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| 17:58.14 | tw | depends on what kind of service you're using to support uploads. |
| 18:01.14 | Aebian | ssh2 |
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| 18:01.25 | Aebian | so scp |
| 18:04.40 | alkisg | Aebian: same as in /tmp, any user can create, but they can delete only their own files. And you can periodically chown them to nobody if you don't want to consider them their own anymore |
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| 18:05.12 | jelly | Aebian: is the same user uploading the new files and owning existing ones? |
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| 18:06.12 | Aebian | yes its the same. So I have a folder /online/www/xy/user1 and this can upload files there but shouldn't be allowed to delete the contents in there. folder is owned by user1 |
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| 18:09.47 | donald | Hi. I made a lab to experiment virus with virt manager. I want to be sure they can not infect any computer via internet while test there power via intern network. When I check the NIC of any computer of the network, the source of the network is: "virtual network x: network isolated, intern or routing via hypervisor only.". can a virus or any component of my system access internet via the hypervisor? or else? |
| 18:09.48 | tw | Maybe incron w/ IN_CRON_WRITE and chown to another user? |
| 18:09.58 | tw | *IN_CLOSE_WRITE |
| 18:10.22 | tw | openssh doesn't support post-write hooks that I'm aware of. |
| 18:11.35 | tw | Though you might be able to do post-logout actions in PAM but that sounds difficult to get right. |
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| 18:12.08 | jelly | Aebian: if the user has +w and +x permissions on the directory they will be able to delete any file, owned by any user. What alkisg says is the simplest thing to do but inherently racy. |
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| 18:12.46 | jelly | tw: using a non-default sftp server might do the trick. |
| 18:12.57 | jelly | where's that python one... |
| 18:13.10 | jelly | but that only works for sftp, not scp. |
| 18:13.12 | tw | iirc, sftp-server isn't called for scp. |
| 18:13.14 | tw | right. |
| 18:13.29 | jelly | and you ought to usesftp instead of scp anyway |
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| 18:13.36 | jelly | scp sucks |
| 18:15.50 | tw | proftpd supports sftp and post-exec. |
| 18:16.11 | tw | no idea on security concerns though. |
| 18:16.22 | donald | jelly you seem to have finished. can I ask too now? |
| 18:16.33 | donald | again |
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| 18:18.29 | tw | donald: short version is no virtualization platform is perfectly secure, so it's a matter of acceptable risks. You can delete the nic or set it to none, eg the `-net none` qemu option. |
| 18:18.31 | jelly | donald: there's really no need to repeat after just 7 minutes |
| 18:18.58 | tw | by default qemu supports usermode networking, so test it first. |
| 18:19.08 | tw | (even with no NIC assigned) |
| 18:20.16 | Freenoodle | just trying to install sid on a Dell laptop. Installer says it needs firmware. But it does not detect the usbstick, which contains the needed file in /lib/firmware. So I follow the advice at https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware to manually mount the stick to /media, but still, the installer does not find the firmware. Can someone give me a hint what might be going wrong here? I triple-checked the file name of the firmware |
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| 18:21.04 | donald | tw I can not remove the nic. else I will not be able to connect two virtual machine together |
| 18:21.26 | BanHammor | how does one even install sid, Freenoodle? |
| 18:21.48 | metastable | !unstable |
| 18:21.48 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 18:22.05 | metastable | And we also don't support unstable in this channel. |
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| 18:22.26 | tw | donald: You will need to test your configuration manually to see if it can escape. That's not something I can help with though. |
| 18:23.26 | jelly | detecting a hypervisor breach is left as an exercise for the reader? |
| 18:23.47 | tw | More like "unknown default device options may be created that you didn't specify." |
| 18:23.59 | jelly | might as well run the VM without kvm, fully emulated |
| 18:24.05 | donald | tw did you say " short version is no. Virtualization platform is perfectly secure, so it's a matter of acceptable risks. You can delete the nic or set it to none, eg the `-net none` qemu option." or "short version is: no virtualization platform is perfectly secure, so it's a matter of acceptable risks. You can delete the nic or set it to none, eg the `-net none` qemu option." ? |
| 18:24.26 | jelly | on an air-gapped raspberry pi without wifi! |
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| 18:25.00 | tw | The latter. People do what you're trying to do with qemu, but you'll have to come up with a configuration that meets your needs specifically. |
| 18:25.20 | tw | And even in non-kvm mode, it creates some default devices. |
| 18:25.29 | jelly | donald: "no virtualization platform is perfectly secure" is QUITE different from "no. Virtualization platform is perfectly secure" |
| 18:25.40 | donald | :) |
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| 18:30.55 | donald | tw when I defined my policy of security I just supposed the virtualization software is enough secure. I just ask of if the software is nicley configured to block a virus who has a complete control of the system, the configuration of wifi and is made to connect to internet. |
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| 18:36.06 | tw | The default configuration through libvirt is not something I'm qualified to answer, I'm afraid. If it were me, I'd go into the qemu monitor after setting up the VM to see what devices were created and check them. I'd also disable acpi and a number of other APIs that are passed through by default. |
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| 18:42.07 | donald | tw I did not used the default config. I changed the network |
| 18:42.22 | donald | the connection |
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| 18:47.31 | tw | donald: That's a start. Assume nothing. Validate everything. Ultimately you're responsible if things aren't properly configured. |
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| 18:52.14 | donald | tw good point |
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| 19:07.10 | hid3 | !fix_bootloader |
| 19:07.45 | hid3 | :( |
| 19:07.49 | hid3 | how does that thing work? |
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| 19:10.03 | petn-randall | !fixmbr |
| 19:10.04 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 19:10.10 | petn-randall | hid3: This maybe? ^^^ |
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| 19:11.25 | hid3 | yeah, this |
| 19:11.31 | hid3 | thanks a lot :) |
| 19:13.20 | hid3 | I'm having problem, however |
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| 19:13.42 | hid3 | when I run update-grup, I get "grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem." error |
| 19:13.49 | hid3 | any ideas what's wrong? |
| 19:14.05 | hid3 | grub 1.99. XFS root file system, no separate /boot |
| 19:14.08 | jelly | hid3: if you're in a chroot, you need /sys and /dev mounted in that chroot (and maybe /proc) |
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| 19:14.21 | hid3 | mounted them as described above |
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| 19:15.16 | hid3 | maybe this is something related to switching from ext3 (old system) to XFS, which is on the new disk? |
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| 19:15.38 | jelly | did this fs ever boot onthis machine? |
| 19:15.46 | hid3 | no |
| 19:15.49 | hid3 | it's a migration |
| 19:16.01 | jelly | does grub2 support having /boot on xfs? |
| 19:16.04 | jelly | has no idea |
| 19:16.13 | hid3 | no idea. Why shouldn't it? |
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| 19:16.18 | jelly | why should it? |
| 19:16.27 | hid3 | the FS is old and wwidespread... |
| 19:17.01 | jelly | that doesn't answer the question tho |
| 19:17.14 | greycat | someone on https://askubuntu.com/questions/495994/what-filesystem-should-boot-be reports using an XFS /boot on some unspecified version of Ubuntu |
| 19:17.36 | jelly | did you fix your /etc/fstab yet? |
| 19:18.04 | jelly | perhaps the update-grub script reads that to find out which fs /boot is on |
| 19:19.16 | hid3 | yep, fstab is fixed |
| 19:19.25 | jelly | almost always keeps a separate /boot, that works well with older versions of stuff and interesting configurations (LUKS) if need be |
| 19:19.43 | hid3 | I ran grub-probe --device /dev/sda1 --target fs and I get unknown FS |
| 19:19.52 | hid3 | okay, I will reformat it to EXT3 |
| 19:20.03 | jelly | reformat what? |
| 19:20.14 | hid3 | wipe the disk nad start over |
| 19:20.17 | jelly | / or /boot? |
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| 19:20.33 | hid3 | , / as there is no separate boot |
| 19:20.51 | porton | KTimeTracker is being removed from KDE. Which (Gnome or KDE) program to use instead to track my working hours? |
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| 19:21.14 | jelly | hid3: or fix the current issue, maybe ask in #grub |
| 19:22.13 | jelly | hid3: do mention you're migrating and trying to set up grub for the first time with your new / |
| 19:22.41 | hid3 | well, I already unmounted, will wipe everything off and format to ext3 to avoid problems |
| 19:22.58 | hid3 | later on (once will be migrating back, I'll upgrade the system to latest debian and switch to XFS) |
| 19:23.01 | jelly | or ext4! or a separate /boot! |
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| 19:24.09 | jelly | it's not safe to assume the issue is caused by xfs, maybe you missed an important step and if you do things exactly the same but with ext3 this error happens again |
| 19:26.58 | hid3 | let's see |
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| 19:29.01 | hid3 | worked like a charm |
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| 19:30.21 | jelly | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| 19:32.56 | jelly | also, xfs probably has different features based on which version of its mkfs you use. ext4 created with, say, a debian testing live cd, will be unusable on debian 7 or 8 because it defaults to enabling too new features |
| 19:33.31 | hid3 | might be |
| 19:33.38 | hid3 | so I created ext3 for now, like it was |
| 19:33.46 | jelly | nod |
| 19:33.47 | hid3 | will uprade to debian 9 (curently it's 7) |
| 19:33.58 | hid3 | then fix the hardware I'm temporary migrating off |
| 19:34.06 | hid3 | and then try xfs there |
| 19:34.11 | hid3 | (upon migration back) |
| 19:34.21 | jelly | I have like 60 debian 7 installs to upgrade |
| 19:34.32 | hid3 | it's pain :( |
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| 19:35.14 | jelly | eh, most are VMs so it's easy to clone and test things |
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| 19:37.21 | hid3 | rebooted the system, grub started, however, everything stopped to boot on "Failed to get error log address range" |
| 19:37.22 | hid3 | :( |
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| 19:38.02 | jelly | forgot to recreate initramfs? |
| 19:38.37 | jelly | did grub die or did linux boot and things died after that |
| 19:38.52 | hid3 | linux started booting |
| 19:39.04 | hid3 | didn't re-create initramfs - didn't know I need to ;) |
| 19:39.30 | jelly | well if you have identical hardware and identical filesystem types you don't |
| 19:39.37 | jelly | maybe |
| 19:40.07 | hid3 | not identical |
| 19:40.10 | hid3 | not even similar |
| 19:40.11 | jelly | but otherwise linux kernel will have trouble finding the right drivers to be able to mount / during initrd |
| 19:40.47 | hid3 | added acpi=off to boot args and it booted |
| 19:42.32 | jelly | that does not sound too good but if it's temporary, eh |
| 19:43.09 | hid3 | temporary of course |
| 19:43.24 | hid3 | now I need to await for IP, port on switch and VLAN to bea dealt |
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| 19:43.40 | hid3 | after that will just put the IP, unplug the old syste, |
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| 19:47.49 | hid3 | thanks for assistance with all of this |
| 19:49.04 | Quatroking | what's the easiest way to get output from a script that's running on a different machine? |
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| 19:52.55 | Sansar | Greetings, I installed fprintd, and other dependencies, but unlike my previous debian installations I can't use fingerprinting device for user auth. or login |
| 19:53.03 | dumbl3d0re | What's considered best practice to name the directory that have the same function as the /opt directory but is located locally in a users home directory? |
| 19:53.07 | Sansar | Any idea what may cause this? |
| 19:53.39 | greycat | dumbl3d0re: ~/opt |
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| 19:55.49 | apteryx_ | hello! Is there a channel dedicated for packaging in Debian? |
| 19:55.54 | apteryx_ | or should I ask here? |
| 19:57.46 | somiaj | apteryx_: do you want to learn how to make .deb packages, have you read the debian matainers guide? Or do you want to get a .deb package into debian? |
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| 19:58.51 | petn-randall | apteryx_: There are two channels: #debian-mentors for if you want to get software packaged *for* Debian, and #packaging if you want learn how to use the packaging toolchain but *not* package for Debian. Both are on irc.oftc.net (not freenode). |
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| 20:00.09 | apteryx_ | somiaj: I want to learn how to make .deb packages. Well, I have a good start at it (already functional package), but I'm currently struggling with 'gbp buildpackage --git-pbuilder'. |
| 20:01.11 | apteryx_ | petn-randall: OK, thanks. I'll check into #debian-mentors. |
| 20:01.29 | somiaj | apteryx_: #packaging would be an appropriate channel for such questions. |
| 20:01.48 | somiaj | apteryx_: #debian-mentors is for getting packages into debian, this is different than your current goal. |
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| 20:10.12 | jelly | petn-randall: if I had a fresh new ansible setup to, er, set up, would I want 2.2 from stretch or 2.4 from stretch-backports? |
| 20:10.17 | apteryx_ | somiaj: thanks |
| 20:11.30 | petn-randall | jelly: I'd go with backports. |
| 20:11.36 | jelly | coworker has already made decent progress with 2.2 but apparently 2.4 has things for vmware |
| 20:11.45 | jelly | THINGS |
| 20:12.54 | greycat | as in "a few of my favorite", or as in "that should not be"? |
| 20:13.12 | petn-randall | jelly: ansible has deprecation cycles over several releases, so a 2.2 playbook (not using deprecated stuff) should work fine with 2.4, albeit getting warnings, but you'll have time to fix those before upgrading to 2.5. |
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| 20:16.15 | petn-randall | jelly: And also the things that get deprecated are few and far inbetween. In 2.4 it was a larger leap, they deprecated the include function, but I simply replaced it with include_tasks everywhere. |
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| 20:17.03 | jelly | and why are there substantial inconsistencies between command line and config equivalents |
| 20:17.19 | jelly | config file* |
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| 20:17.34 | petn-randall | jelly: Currently the amount of modules is growing fairly fast, for example the windows modules were lacking a bit but they catched up quite a bit. So IMHO it's best to go with the latest release and upgrade when needed. |
| 20:17.38 | petn-randall | jelly: There is? |
| 20:17.57 | jelly | I forget, will have to drag coworker to irc |
| 20:18.06 | jelly | but he found at least 2-3 things |
| 20:18.17 | petn-randall | jelly: I don't really use the CLI settings much, unless you want to use one-liners to reboot machines or something. |
| 20:18.25 | petn-randall | s/settings/parameters/ |
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| 20:18.56 | petn-randall | But even then it's smarter to write a small playbook, so you don't have to remember the exact command line that does that. |
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| 20:22.20 | donald | jelly can I ask again? |
| 20:22.28 | donald | the same question to another people? |
| 20:22.39 | jelly | sure |
| 20:22.53 | jelly | once an hour or less often is probably fine |
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| 20:24.37 | jelly | donald: but avoid repeating the same question verbatim; include the results of suggestions from the last time you asked if there were any that were worth trying |
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| 20:25.32 | jelly | thus you avoid people giving you the same obvious advice and clarification requests all over again |
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| 20:26.55 | jelly | this also applies if you hop channels and ask somewhere else |
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| 20:30.24 | DammitJim | just to make sure I'm not crazy... I have a samba mount to another debian server |
| 20:30.42 | DammitJim | there is a java application (built inhouse) that checks for a file in this provided mount |
| 20:30.55 | DammitJim | all of a sudden the application can't see that there was a new file placed there |
| 20:31.02 | DammitJim | however, if I ssh into the server, I can see it |
| 20:31.10 | DammitJim | this has to be a java problem, right? |
| 20:31.13 | JustASlacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.16 | DammitJim | not a Debian issue? |
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| 20:34.55 | jelly | DammitJim: it's really hard to say without more info, ie. how precisely is this checking done; whether the app is keeping CWD there or not |
| 20:36.21 | toli | guys, i have tried to install wicd and remove the networkmanager, and since, I cannot connect to lan nor wifi. it connects it gets ip for couple of seconds, then again no ip. I have message an error message saying (network is unreqchqble | dhclinet.c.2733: Failed to send 300 byte long packet over fallback interface |
| 20:36.43 | DammitJim | good points jelly ! |
| 20:36.51 | toli | I know I can reinstall debian, but i don't really want this |
| 20:36.56 | DammitJim | what is cwd? |
| 20:37.16 | greycat | current working directory |
| 20:37.19 | DammitJim | oh |
| 20:37.20 | jelly | DammitJim: current (wirking) directory, each process has one |
| 20:37.30 | JustASlacker | cwd=$(pwd) |
| 20:37.46 | greycat | or as in "man getcwd" |
| 20:38.13 | jelly | DammitJim: did you ssh to the same user as the one running the app, eth |
| 20:38.16 | jelly | etc |
| 20:38.21 | DammitJim | the application runs as a particular user called quartz and the current working directory is something like /usr/local/myapp/ |
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| 20:38.36 | DammitJim | jelly, I ssh'd as myself, then sudo su - quartz |
| 20:38.39 | jelly | are you SURE that's the current process cwd? |
| 20:38.47 | memo1 | hi, im working with video files (mp4) store on folders. What is the best way to sort them and selected by date?, or filter and copy by date? |
| 20:38.53 | jelly | DammitJim: confirm with lsof |
| 20:39.05 | DammitJim | then: ls -l /mnt/myserver_data |
| 20:39.16 | jelly | isn't quartz just a framework |
| 20:39.18 | RoyK | JustASlacker: cwd=$PWD ; |
| 20:39.20 | RoyK | JustASlacker: cwd=$PWD ;) |
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| 20:39.31 | JustASlacker | meh |
| 20:39.36 | DammitJim | it is a framework LOL... and that's what they decided to call the user for this service |
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| 20:40.17 | jelly | it's a library. I vaguely remember some of our stuff at work has it embedded. |
| 20:40.51 | DammitJim | yeah, we have a good amount of apps that use it |
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| 20:41.12 | toli | no one have any idea of what is going on? |
| 20:41.20 | DammitJim | but the java application checks on /mnt/myserver_data/opportunity.csv |
| 20:41.26 | DammitJim | how does that relate to cwd? |
| 20:42.03 | jelly | toli: you can akways stop wicd and configure /etc/network/interfaces manually ? |
| 20:42.23 | greycat | DammitJim: The reason it was brought up was because, if your program *sits* in /mnt/mysever_data/ full time, then it might run into stale file handles or whatever. Or maybe that's only NFS and not Samba. |
| 20:42.47 | greycat | DammitJim: and it costs you very little time to find the PID and lsof it to see what its cwd is. |
| 20:43.09 | toli | jelly, i removed the wicd and installed the networkmanager |
| 20:43.22 | jelly | it's samba as well. Or it might have been started when the fs was not mounted (yet) and keep that dir's fd, no udea |
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| 20:43.36 | jelly | can't type idea* |
| 20:44.20 | DammitJim | from the logs, the application has been running for weeks w/o a problem finding the file (when it's placed there) |
| 20:44.37 | jelly | DammitJim: was the fs umounted and mounted back at any point? |
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| 20:44.44 | DammitJim | but now the java application seems to only "see" the file if I stop the application and start it again |
| 20:44.54 | DammitJim | but the next time the file is placed there, the application can't find it |
| 20:45.11 | DammitJim | jelly, that's a very good question... I'm not sure of that |
| 20:45.30 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm... I wonder what logs I would have to look for to determine that |
| 20:46.16 | DammitJim | man, but you guys are great! I would have thought you would have sent me to #java already, but you have been good at making sure it's not Debian (or me) |
| 20:46.20 | jelly | DammitJim: you should probably debug exactly what the app does. Maybe it keeps directory fd open and uses fstatat() |
| 20:47.01 | DammitJim | oh gosh, I am going to be learning more about fd's, huh? |
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| 20:47.19 | jelly | maybe you can restart the thing, make sure it works, then umount and mount back the share and see if that breaks things |
| 20:47.36 | DammitJim | jelly, so, that's something that the java "framework" uses fstat()? |
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| 20:48.03 | jelly | I have no idea how java checks for path existence. |
| 20:48.23 | DammitJim | oh then what did you mean about fstatat()? |
| 20:48.46 | DammitJim | as I said... at this time, if I restart the application, it finds the file, processes it, but the next time the file comes in, it doesn't see it |
| 20:48.47 | jelly | just guessing based on the few symptoms you described |
| 20:49.00 | DammitJim | yes, thank you! I'm googling fstat() |
| 20:49.49 | DammitJim | man, I just did an: man fstat and it returned some kind of C code |
| 20:49.53 | jelly | you can always lie to your devs and say you haven't changed a thing and let them debug it |
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| 20:50.02 | jelly | (don't lie to your devs) |
| 20:50.03 | DammitJim | I did ;) |
| 20:50.25 | DammitJim | but it's true... I haven't changed anything on the server sharing the directory over samba nor the server that is running the java app |
| 20:50.28 | greycat | DammitJim: Basically, C is the only real programming language in Unix, and everything else is layered on top of it. |
| 20:50.53 | jelly | waiting for libc written in rust. |
| 20:50.55 | DammitJim | oh, so I can't use fstat directly on the command line, right? |
| 20:51.06 | greycat | the command line equivalent is stat(1) |
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| 20:52.32 | jelly | fstat and its younger *at sibling are syscalls, those things in section 2 of the manual which you can get by installing manpages-dev |
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| 20:53.15 | DammitJim | ok, so I could use stat to figure this out |
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| 20:53.22 | DammitJim | oh darn |
| 20:53.32 | jelly | not really, you don't know what the app is actually doing or failing to do |
| 20:53.48 | jelly | and ls basically does the same thing as stat |
| 20:53.50 | DammitJim | my data just went to crap |
| 20:54.04 | DammitJim | the application wasn't supposed to see the next file that came in, but it did |
| 20:54.11 | DammitJim | and the problem I was having is no longer there |
| 20:54.12 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 20:54.31 | greycat | I don't think we can help you debug your Java application. |
| 20:54.48 | jelly | right |
| 20:54.50 | DammitJim | not a problem |
| 20:55.00 | DammitJim | I was just wondering if there was something else I needed to check at the system level |
| 20:55.01 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
| 20:55.08 | DammitJim | I appreciate even the questions |
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| 20:58.17 | toli | when i try to manually add an ip address using (ip addr add XX.XX enp0s31f6) re response is a bit scary (Error: either "local" is duplicate or enps31f6 is a garbage |
| 21:00.15 | jelly | toli: you forgot "dev" keyword before the iface name |
| 21:01.00 | jelly | ip addr add 192.168.6.4/24 dev eth0 |
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| 21:01.13 | toli | offf |
| 21:01.31 | toli | my god |
| 21:01.58 | toli | jelly, thanks, a nice one |
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| 21:05.05 | laertus | after doing an "aptitude update", "aptitude upgrade", and rebooting a debian system i'm running under virtualbox, after it boots it goes in to emergency mode and i don't know why |
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| 21:05.14 | laertus | here's the boot log: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/g6DKcXHiKuxtfekrFOGu/ |
| 21:05.47 | laertus | how can i troubleshoot this? |
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| 21:08.35 | laertus | ok, i think i figured it out |
| 21:08.41 | petererer | 385-386 |
| 21:09.02 | laertus | the virtualbox shared filesystem i had in /etc/fstab couldn't be mounted after the upgrade |
| 21:09.23 | laertus | after i commented out in /etc/fstab, the boot completed successfully |
| 21:09.30 | laertus | commented it out, i mean |
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| 21:11.08 | ^|| | i cant get sftp to work. example: put stallman.jpg / error: "Couldn't open local file "stallman.jpg" for reading: Permission denied |
| 21:11.34 | ^|| | i tried chown outside sftp for the remote user but comes up with invalid user |
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| 21:14.15 | jelly | ^||: what does "id remoteuser" say on the remote system, and is the remote running debian and which release |
| 21:15.23 | jelly | ^||: couldn't open local file for reading sounds as if... the user running sftp _client_ does not have permissions to, well, read the file |
| 21:16.55 | ddp` | mmm why when I'm login in my chroot system i have "I have no name!@myhost:~$"? |
| 21:17.48 | jelly | ddp`: because your chroot is missing /etc/passwd entry for that uid |
| 21:17.56 | ddp` | i have jelly |
| 21:18.11 | ddp` | i had copy /etc/passw in mychroot |
| 21:18.11 | greycat | ddp`: missing /etc/shadow entry to back it up, then? |
| 21:18.17 | ddp` | shadow too |
| 21:18.25 | ddp` | and also gshadow |
| 21:18.29 | greycat | ddp`: what does the "id" command say? |
| 21:18.33 | jelly | ddp`: what does "echo $USER" say in that shell |
| 21:19.01 | ddp` | id uid=1002(test1) gid=1004(test1) groups=1004(test1),1003(chrootjail) |
| 21:19.19 | jelly | so far so good |
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| 21:20.05 | ddp` | jelly |
| 21:20.12 | jelly | ddp`! |
| 21:20.16 | ddp` | i don't know how .. but now is fix |
| 21:20.30 | jelly | !win ddp` |
| 21:20.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, ddp`! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:20.36 | greycat | sounds like someone fixed your /etc/passwd (etc.) files while you were also investigating |
| 21:20.47 | ddp` | xD |
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| 21:23.49 | toli | what are those ridicules eth device names (enpxS02) I never saw that before Stretch? |
| 21:24.06 | greycat | toli: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names |
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| 21:33.07 | ^|| | jelly: no such user |
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| 21:34.06 | metastable | toli: Ridiculous in that I can count on them to not spontaneously reorder, you mean. |
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| 21:37.22 | levkusanagi | Using Debian Stable in Virtualbox. Can't get any resolutions other than 4:3 (I need widescreen). What to do? |
| 21:37.39 | Mathisen | install gues additions |
| 21:37.42 | adso | use vmware? :) |
| 21:37.43 | Mathisen | guest* |
| 21:38.35 | Mathisen | levkusanagi, sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-x11 linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:38.38 | Mathisen | then reboot |
| 21:38.41 | Mathisen | have fun |
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| 21:47.17 | tobiasBora | BanHammor: Problem solved, for some reason my friend aborted the debian install and I don't know why but debian removed all entries in /boot/efi, including windows ones. After a clean reinstall debian came back, and Windows should come back after a few copy |
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| 21:50.26 | DirtyD | My scroll wheel is not working, any hints on where I should be looking to fix this? |
| 21:52.05 | hypn0 | your mouse? |
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| 21:52.57 | DirtyD | yeah, |
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| 21:53.04 | DirtyD | just the scroll function |
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| 21:54.15 | hypn0 | you could open it and find a bits broken? |
| 21:54.40 | DirtyD | I have a feeling its a configuration issue. |
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| 21:55.13 | Mathisen | DirtyD, sudo apt install xinput && xinput --test |
| 21:55.20 | Mathisen | then scroll and see if it sees it |
| 21:55.57 | greycat | Why do you think it's a config issue? Did you change something right before the problem started? |
| 21:56.30 | DirtyD | ok, you know what.. The comment about broken mouse bits got me thinking.. I just swapped the mouse and all is well! |
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| 21:59.42 | Mathisen | for the future xinput is great for testing things like that |
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| 22:08.48 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: Thanks!! Sorry for late reply |
| 22:10.11 | Mathisen | levkusanagi, no worries |
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| 22:14.18 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: I'm getting "Unable to locate package virtualbox-guest-dkms" |
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| 22:14.49 | levkusanagi | And "Package virtualbox-guest-x11 has no installation candidate |
| 22:15.08 | Mathisen | levkusanagi, you on stretch ? |
| 22:16.00 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: I don't even know what stretch is :) Sorry |
| 22:16.05 | levkusanagi | I assume not |
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| 22:18.05 | Mathisen | 2 sec ssh.ing to my debian machine |
| 22:18.23 | levkusanagi | thanks! |
| 22:18.40 | Mathisen | ok my bad. seems like debian dont have guest-additions with apt.. |
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| 22:19.19 | Mathisen | run this: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt install build-essential module-assistant dkms |
| 22:19.50 | Mathisen | then in your virtualbox window you should have "insert gues additions cd image" under devices tab |
| 22:19.58 | Mathisen | do that after the command is done |
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| 22:21.13 | ddp` | gn all |
| 22:21.22 | ddp` | thanks for support |
| 22:21.54 | Mathisen | why is there no guest additions no more in the repo btw ? anyone knows. im pretty sure there used to be one |
| 22:22.30 | Mathisen | ,v virtualbox-guest-dkms |
| 22:22.31 | judd | Package: virtualbox-guest-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.6-dfsg-2; |
| 22:22.32 | judd | sid/contrib: 5.2.6-dfsg-5 |
| 22:22.50 | Mathisen | hmm |
| 22:22.53 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: thanks! I'm on it |
| 22:23.07 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: thank you for taking the time to help |
| 22:23.18 | levkusanagi | I searched quite a bit on google and no luck |
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| 22:26.02 | disi | do i have to restart dhclient or something after making changes to /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf? |
| 22:27.14 | Mathisen | disi, my guess would be yes, but not sure |
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| 22:28.23 | disi | may drop out as he tries dhclient -r |
| 22:29.09 | disi | cant tell if it worked... guess i'll wait a few hours and see :p |
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| 22:32.15 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: I get the following error when trying to insert guest additions cd image: Could not mount the media/drive '/Applications/VirtualBox.app/Contents/MacOS/VBoxGuestAdditions.iso' (VERR_PDM_MEDIA_LOCKED). |
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| 22:34.24 | Mathisen | levkusanagi, im not sure about that, do you have anything else mounted under media ? |
| 22:34.43 | Mathisen | also are you on a mac i have no clue, im not mac user |
| 22:34.43 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: I apologize, I forgot to restart. I assume that's required |
| 22:34.52 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: Yes I am on a Mac. |
| 22:35.00 | Mathisen | no reboot should be needed |
| 22:35.06 | Mathisen | not to mount the gues iso |
| 22:35.22 | levkusanagi | I see |
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| 22:35.55 | Mathisen | cant help with that one sorry. |
| 22:36.52 | Mathisen | from a quick google, it says that you most likely have another iso mounter in virtualbox |
| 22:36.58 | Mathisen | your debian iso for example |
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| 22:39.21 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: I force unmounted the current image (incidentally, the guest additions image), remounted, and behold! Autorun dialogue pops up. It asks if I want to run it.. then: "Oops, there was a problem running this software. Unable to locate the program" |
| 22:40.13 | Mathisen | when you pressed run ? |
| 22:40.49 | levkusanagi | Yes |
| 22:41.26 | Mathisen | im not sure then. it should not do that. if it had worked as it should you would have gotten the guest.iso mounted and could install it |
| 22:41.36 | Mathisen | someone else may know. |
| 22:42.10 | levkusanagi | Thanks for the help Mathisen! I appreciate the time taken. |
| 22:42.20 | rant | are you installing Debian as a guest in virtualbox on MacOS? |
| 22:42.57 | levkusanagi | rant: That's what I've done, I'm trying to fix the limited screen resolution issue (only 4:3 resolutions) by installing virtualbox guest additions, but I cant |
| 22:43.43 | rant | right well the virtualbox-guest-dkms is the best way for a debian guest however the issue there is that the version may not match the macos version of vb you're using and thus likely will not work |
| 22:44.29 | rant | you would need to mount the vb guest additions iso as suggested, but screw all that autorun crap.. just get a root prompt and run the linux additions file manually |
| 22:44.55 | levkusanagi | rant: Brilliant! |
| 22:45.05 | rant | I have my moments :P |
| 22:45.37 | Mathisen | rant, how would he mount it when the gues.iso is on the host os |
| 22:45.54 | levkusanagi | I succeeded in mounting, it's the autorun that's crashing apparently |
| 22:46.04 | rant | you mount it through virtualbox |
| 22:46.15 | levkusanagi | Trying to figure out which file to run and how.. |
| 22:46.19 | rant | I havent used it in years but the guest additions is usually already in the menu |
| 22:46.35 | Mathisen | yeah correct |
| 22:46.36 | rant | levkusanagi: ./vboxlinuxadditions.run or w/e its called (as root) |
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| 22:47.14 | rant | you may still need to have kernel headers installed.. I dont recall exactly as I typically dont run the best OS on the planet under other crappy OSes :P |
| 22:47.26 | rant | I am usually doing it the other way around |
| 22:47.34 | levkusanagi | hehe rant. Good point. |
| 22:47.50 | levkusanagi | I've thought about it but I'm not sure my Macbook would play nicely with it. |
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| 22:48.08 | levkusanagi | Incredibly, it's saying "permission denied" when I'm running as root |
| 22:48.15 | rant | eh, while macs can be a pain, there are some good wikis for Debian on Mac as there are for Thinkpads |
| 22:48.46 | rant | they're both two of the best made laptop hws and have well documented proceedures for linux installation on em |
| 22:48.54 | levkusanagi | I'm seriously going to look into that. I'm new to Debian but I feel at home with its stable philosophy |
| 22:49.12 | rant | levkusanagi: try ls -l vboxlinuxassitions.run or w/e its called |
| 22:49.36 | memo1 | im running a python script as a service. The scripts needs to create a file.log, but its failing. Usning systemd service, i cant create files?, |
| 22:49.40 | rant | levkusanagi: I read Why Debian? and Social Contract on Debian.org some 16 years or so ago, and I was sold |
| 22:49.47 | levkusanagi | -r-xr-xr-x |
| 22:50.16 | rant | levkusanagi: and you have a # prompt, id returns 0, and you did ./filename? |
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| 22:51.11 | levkusanagi | rant: It returns "Permission denied", not sure what you mean about id returns 0 |
| 22:51.30 | rant | levkusanagi: if thats the case, then I need the message verbatum.. not truncated to "permission denied" as for all I know that could be a message from a subshell or child process |
| 22:51.41 | levkusanagi | Sorry, incoming |
| 22:51.48 | rant | levkusanagi: the id command tells you what the current user is |
| 22:52.32 | levkusanagi | id returns all 0 |
| 22:52.46 | zer0G | levkusanagi, chmod +x the file so it's executable. |
| 22:52.49 | zer0G | as root. |
| 22:52.54 | levkusanagi | got it |
| 22:53.08 | rant | we covered that already.. he said the file is -r-xr-xr-x |
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| 22:54.05 | zer0G | rant: ah yes, now I see ;p |
| 22:54.20 | levkusanagi | rant: bash: ./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run: Permission denied |
| 22:54.23 | levkusanagi | that's the full error |
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| 22:55.07 | rant | ok well thats bash suggesting that the file is not executable.. I'm beyond stressed right now so other than the obvious of file permissions I'm not thinkin real clearly right now |
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| 22:55.28 | rant | its not outside realm of possibility you have noexec on the mount I suppose, check the output of mount |
| 22:55.34 | Mathisen | levkusanagi, maybe a dumb thing but you do have " sh " command right ? |
| 22:55.36 | levkusanagi | rant: Thanks anyway for all the help! I don't want to add to your stress :) I'm under no rush |
| 22:55.41 | Mathisen | levkusanagi, and also try sh filename |
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| 22:55.59 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: yes I do, trying that |
| 22:56.23 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: jesus christ it worked. I am an uber noob |
| 22:56.38 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: Thanks :) I should probably learn what sh is. I thought it was just to execute .sh files. |
| 22:57.15 | levkusanagi | Odd though, how it wouldn't work without sh. |
| 22:57.15 | rant | levkusanagi: sh is a shell just like bash |
| 22:57.17 | Mathisen | well it should have worked as rant said really. |
| 22:57.26 | rant | yes it /should/ have :P |
| 22:57.28 | Mathisen | as it is a .sh file |
| 22:58.03 | rant | and in all reality I'm willing to bet sh IS bash try which sh |
| 22:58.06 | levkusanagi | its a .run file |
| 22:58.20 | levkusanagi | /bin/sh |
| 22:58.34 | levkusanagi | rant: which sh returns /bin/sh (to clarify) |
| 22:58.39 | rant | newsflash the last 4 chars of a filename mean absolutely nothing contrary to what Microsoft Windows thinks |
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| 22:59.00 | rant | file VBoxLinuxAdditions.run |
| 22:59.06 | rant | tells you what it actually is |
| 22:59.41 | levkusanagi | POSIX Shell script executable (binary data) |
| 23:00.14 | rant | it'd be the same if the .run wasn't there or if it was .;sh or .foobarbaz or anything else |
| 23:00.17 | levkusanagi | What's the difference between a run file and an sh file? |
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| 23:00.28 | rant | there is no such thing as either |
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| 23:01.04 | rant | the filename is part of the metadata stored in the filesystem.. its like a label on a folder doesnt change the documents stored inside it |
| 23:01.19 | autofsckk | can somebody tell me please a channel where i can get some advice on using a server por kind of special needs please? where sysadmins gather |
| 23:01.48 | Mathisen | autofsckk, /msg alis list sysadmin |
| 23:02.03 | rant | autofsckk: you can try /msg alis help, or ask in #freenode but in general you might want to be more specific |
| 23:02.06 | petn-randall | autofsckk: This is the right channel if you're using Debian as a sysadmin. |
| 23:02.07 | autofsckk | thanks Mathisen |
| 23:02.17 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: Now that the Guest Additions are installed, how do I change the screen resolution? Is guest additions some sort of application? |
| 23:02.27 | Mathisen | reboot |
| 23:03.03 | rant | levkusanagi: no, its kernel drivers.. once you reboot you should be able to run in any of the modes, windowed, scaled, seamless, or fullscreen at any resolution |
| 23:03.26 | levkusanagi | Phenomenal. Mathisen, rant, I owe you guys one. :) Thanks for all your help. |
| 23:03.28 | rant | though rebooting isnt strictly necessary, it will assure all is properly loaded |
| 23:04.22 | rant | I personally liked seamless mode a lot |
| 23:04.27 | Mathisen | hee needs to use modprobe otherwise right |
| 23:04.45 | Mathisen | to get the modules in use |
| 23:04.55 | rant | well you'd probably check to see if they loaded with lsmod/dmesg first, then modprobe, then might wanna restart the DM |
| 23:05.18 | rant | but a reboot would just do all that more simply explained |
| 23:05.30 | Mathisen | yep |
| 23:06.25 | rant | and worst case scenario you always have kexec to avoid an actual reboot when one is required i.e. switching a kernel |
| 23:06.38 | levkusanagi | It works!!! This is so awesome. I love Debian. |
| 23:06.53 | rant | yeah, debian loves you too :P |
| 23:06.58 | levkusanagi | * Disclaimer: I've just started with it. I mean, I am going to love Debian. |
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| 23:07.02 | levkusanagi | Hehehe |
| 23:07.32 | levkusanagi | Where can I find some nice cool themes :) |
| 23:07.37 | rant | Seriously though if you are interested there are usually as I said good wiki on setting up Debian on mac or thinkpad hw.. would be worth googling and reading to see how well supported your model is and what issues it has if any |
| 23:07.54 | Mathisen | thinks debian is a great server os, but for desktop there is options. but all comes to taste i guess |
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| 23:08.03 | rant | levkusanagi: you'd need to be more specific, we have like half a dozen Desktop Environments each are themed differently |
| 23:08.23 | levkusanagi | rant: I was just going to say. I'm seriously going to try that. I have a deadline tonight and another by the end of the week. But I'm planning to "live" in Debian long-term, so I'll definitely try that. |
| 23:08.46 | rant | there are always options.. what it came down to for me is, do you agree with Why Debian? and Social Contract or not.. if so, then you wouldnt want anything but Debian |
| 23:08.47 | levkusanagi | I love simple, understated themes and I really love the default one. |
| 23:08.57 | levkusanagi | I like no-nonsense, no bells and whistles, simplicity |
| 23:09.44 | rant | levkusanagi: Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE, LXQT, Cinnamon, MATE? which DE are you talking? |
| 23:09.47 | Mathisen | you should read upp on i3 :) simplicity is its first name, but it is a tileing manager and does not fit everyone |
| 23:10.37 | levkusanagi | rant: My main initial motivation was stability. There is so much noise and change in the world today that it's nice to have an OS that will be stable, and has no desire to be buffetted randomly by short term trends |
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| 23:11.18 | levkusanagi | rant: I'm not sure which one came by default, but the default one |
| 23:11.29 | levkusanagi | Mathisen: I live inside emacs :D |
| 23:11.46 | levkusanagi | but i will check out i3. |
| 23:12.49 | rant | levkusanagi: we ship different flavored ISOs where each of them is default.. often though people who dont know better probably ended up with Gnome |
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| 23:13.23 | levkusanagi | rant: How can I know which one I'm using? |
| 23:13.37 | Epx998 | Is it possible to pass variables to a preseed from pxe boot? |
| 23:13.45 | levkusanagi | rant: I really do like it. |
| 23:14.07 | rant | levkusanagi: also i3 is a minimal tiling wm, main features is its strongly keyboard driven, uses lua as a scripting language, and typically displays windows tiled rather than free floating (though it can float)) its more geared toward power users focused on productivity |
| 23:14.45 | levkusanagi | Perfect. I'm very keyboard driven. So that sounds great |
| 23:15.10 | rant | levkusanagi: I dont offhand know any real easy way to test that other than from the session menu of the login screen which should say.. most people who used linux know em just by lookin at em.. if you described what it looked like we would probably know |
| 23:15.10 | levkusanagi | I'm jumping right in. How do I change to i3 :D |
| 23:15.33 | rant | levkusanagi: gnome often has a dark theme with a panel on top, mate is more chromish by default with panels on top and bottom.. etc |
| 23:16.19 | rant | levkusanagi: you just install the package and choose that from the session menu at the graphical display manager's login screen |
| 23:16.39 | levkusanagi | rant: I'm pretty sure it's Gnome, looking for a screenshot online to show you |
| 23:17.17 | levkusanagi | I love the idea of a keyboard driven window manager |
| 23:17.55 | rant | levkusanagi: gnome has many sites available for themes.. you probably have all the ones available in debian installed already |
| 23:18.11 | mtn | levkusanagi: install inxi and run inxi -S, it will show the desktop |
| 23:18.15 | rant | you can just google gnome themes for a wider selection |
| 23:18.26 | rant | I always forget about inxi |
| 23:19.41 | levkusanagi | rant: System X11 default |
| 23:19.50 | levkusanagi | I saw a couple of gnome ones too, on login. |
| 23:20.03 | levkusanagi | Funnily enough, i3 didn't show up on the list. And I installed it |
| 23:20.45 | rant | well the "default" one runs whatever you put in your .xsession file in your homedir |
| 23:21.07 | rant | echo "i3wm" > ~/.xsession |
| 23:21.12 | rant | or whatever the command name is for that |
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| 23:21.23 | rant | I haven't used ion in ages.. |
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| 23:22.44 | rant | on a related note if you fool with .xsession in the future, all the commands need to have & on them to run in the background except the last one which is typically your session-manager or window manager which is the command that when it exits, logs you out of the session |
| 23:23.19 | rant | as the file is a script that is executed line by line consecutively and if you dont bg other commands it wont get through em all until the ones before it exit |
| 23:23.42 | levkusanagi | rant: Thanks, duly noted. |
| 23:25.22 | levkusanagi | rant, or Mathisen, is there a way to get i3 to show up on the list of DEs on login? instead of it being default? |
| 23:26.17 | levkusanagi | Ah, figures, I gotta make this deadline. Will be back later. Thanks for all the help :) |
| 23:26.36 | Mathisen | levkusanagi, yes it is |
| 23:26.53 | Mathisen | it does that automaticly after install |
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| 23:40.12 | rant | its possible its not showing up cause the DM needs to be restarted or maybe a menu target needs manually run.,. but its also possible whatever DM you use only shows full DEs idk.. I use lightdm or nodm, and lightdm does show sawfish when I install it |
| 23:40.39 | rant | only solution I knew would work is the one I provided by using .xsession and default |
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| 23:56.37 | ageis | FYI mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu has been having resolution issues and i also saw hash mismatches the last week |
| 23:56.46 | ageis | for whoever runs that mirror |
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| 23:57.15 | ageis | erm the first thing is a typo but the second issue was legit, i have a screenshot :) |