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| 00:07.01 | martian67 | hello, i have installed apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges how do i have them automaticly invoked at package install time? |
| 00:07.16 | martian67 | as in have it warn before sid breaks my system :) |
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| 00:07.38 | jak2000 | jelly? are you there? |
| 00:07.48 | martian67 | ah it seems it does by by default when you install |
| 00:07.48 | martian67 | cool |
| 00:07.55 | jak2000 | Iridos are you there? man |
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| 00:08.02 | rant | martian67: mind you I have not used those in about a decade, but last I used them, they run automatically during the install process |
| 00:08.53 | rant | jak2000: its pretty late in their tz, you need help with something you should probably just ask |
| 00:11.19 | rant | IIRC they are both in GMT+1 which is currently 1:11am |
| 00:13.06 | rant | Bliepo32: maybe something like ndiswrapper could help? |
| 00:13.31 | Bliepo32 | Is it possible to load the windows driver? |
| 00:13.47 | rant | I never tried it.. but that was the idea behind ndiswrapper |
| 00:13.52 | rant | !ndiswrapper |
| 00:13.53 | dpkg | NDISwrapper enables the use of Windows XP (not Vista/7/8) network device drivers within the Linux kernel (x86 and x86-64 systems only). If a Linux kernel driver is available for your device, consider using that instead; for wireless LAN devices, ask me about <wireless>. To install NDISwrapper on Debian systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper . http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:14.12 | Bliepo32 | I guess it's worth a shot |
| 00:14.25 | rant | if you have no other viable option, it seems so |
| 00:15.54 | RoyK | Bliepo32: what sort of driver? |
| 00:16.03 | rant | Bliepo32: because without source, you'd be stuck on an outdated kernel putting your system at risk.. at least if the ndiswrapper would work, you can still maintain kernel updates with that |
| 00:16.11 | Bliepo32 | https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/home/driverHome?sp4ts.oid=4038768 |
| 00:16.37 | RoyK | oh - qlogic |
| 00:16.50 | Bliepo32 | yup |
| 00:16.52 | RoyK | lothes qlogic |
| 00:17.08 | Bliepo32 | joins RoyK in loathing qlogic |
| 00:17.39 | RoyK | FC? |
| 00:17.49 | Bliepo32 | ? |
| 00:18.01 | RoyK | fibrechannel? |
| 00:18.04 | rant | HP NC375T PCI Express Quad Port Gigabit Server Adapter is what was said earlier |
| 00:18.15 | Bliepo32 | No, not fibre channel |
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| 00:18.22 | RoyK | ok - get something from intel instead |
| 00:18.28 | RoyK | easy fix |
| 00:18.42 | RoyK | doesn't cost a lot either |
| 00:18.44 | Bliepo32 | I'll try ndiswrapper |
| 00:18.49 | RoyK | just don't |
| 00:18.54 | RoyK | it's outdated |
| 00:19.10 | RoyK | intel cards just work |
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| 00:19.37 | Bliepo32 | I guess I'll research a little more |
| 00:19.54 | rant | I'm no network guru but I have a hard time understanding what a box would need more than two network ports for |
| 00:20.06 | RoyK | and then, after a ton of reasearch, and *then* getting that intel card, post an email to qlogic and tell them why |
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| 00:20.29 | RoyK | rant: there are several reasons for using multiple ports - read up ;) |
| 00:20.30 | metastable | rant: I use 8 on my hypervisors. 4 for VMs, 4 for storage. |
| 00:21.01 | RoyK | trunking or whatever you wanna call it is nice |
| 00:21.02 | metastable | rant: There are gobs of reasons for multiple NICs. |
| 00:21.05 | RoyK | more bandwidth |
| 00:21.16 | RoyK | more redundancy |
| 00:21.18 | RoyK | trallalla |
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| 00:21.34 | RoyK | the list is long as your arm |
| 00:21.37 | rant | guess I never did anything that high scale :P |
| 00:21.54 | RoyK | we're trunking 10Gb links |
| 00:22.06 | metastable | rant: It's not high scale. I deal with 10Gb and 40Gb links fairly commonly. |
| 00:22.13 | RoyK | usually for redundancy, but sometimes for bandwidth as well |
| 00:23.18 | rant | yeah thats aweful high redundancy. I've done things like that but I never felt the need for more than two interfaces |
| 00:23.20 | RoyK | hands rant a 3c509 card |
| 00:23.26 | rant | hah |
| 00:23.37 | rant | I had and probably still have a bunch of those ol 3com cards |
| 00:23.45 | RoyK | hehe |
| 00:24.01 | rant | used to love em back i nthe day when it was hard to find cards that worked right with linux |
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| 00:25.33 | RoyK | rant: most of our stuff is virtual, but some machines are physical, and for those, we use dual 10G ports with link bonding |
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| 00:27.03 | rant | I felt I'd known enough networking to get by, but ever since IPv6 and TLS everywhere I think I need to go back to school :P |
| 00:27.41 | RoyK | rant: IPv6 isn't that hard, neither is TLS |
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| 00:28.03 | RoyK | rant: try youtube ,) |
| 00:28.04 | RoyK | ;) |
| 00:28.10 | rant | I just suggested ndiswrapper.. that should tell you how long its been since I had a crash course in networking .. heh |
| 00:28.37 | rant | last internet related thing I recall learning was CSS2 |
| 00:28.40 | RoyK | hm - perhaps try IPX instead? |
| 00:29.09 | rant | I used to use that a lot too.. pc gaming when I was a kid with my brothers.. back before we had networks in every home |
| 00:29.29 | rant | the ol null modem |
| 00:29.58 | RoyK | used to be a master CNE on netware 4.11 and 5 and knows his way around IPX (whatever he remembers) |
| 00:30.13 | dongcarl | Quick question: is /etc/rc.local still the best way to do a startup script in jessie? |
| 00:30.28 | RoyK | dongcarl: not with systemd |
| 00:30.48 | RoyK | dongcarl: better write a systemd service for it - it's not hard |
| 00:30.51 | rant | it also depends on what you're doing because there may already be a unit you can hook |
| 00:31.17 | dongcarl | I see... What if I wanna just do some `ip` and `brctl` commands |
| 00:31.17 | rant | if it has anything to do with HW you can probably hook udev for example |
| 00:31.37 | RoyK | dongcarl: those epend on udev and network |
| 00:32.06 | RoyK | dongcarl: read up bit on systemd - it's not that hard |
| 00:32.22 | dongcarl | Okay |
| 00:32.30 | metastable | dongcarl: If you're trying to set up a bridge, /etc/network/interfaces can do that natively. |
| 00:32.42 | rant | tattos "it's not that hard" on RoyK |
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| 00:33.59 | rant | yes I'd always done it in interfaces.. but I'm not certain what respects that these days.. I think NM will leave an already configured iface alone anyhow |
| 00:34.00 | RoyK | perhaps I should have that tattoo |
| 00:35.00 | rant | I'm willing to bet sussudio could tell us how many times you've said that in here :P |
| 00:35.18 | RoyK | not too many |
| 00:35.21 | metastable | NM can do bridges as well. |
| 00:35.25 | metastable | As can systemd-networkd. |
| 00:35.59 | RoyK | metastable: do those two compete? |
| 00:36.14 | metastable | Generally, you should only use one at a time. |
| 00:36.23 | RoyK | https://xkcd.com/927/ |
| 00:36.23 | dongcarl | metastable: hmmm, yeah maybe that's better |
| 00:36.57 | metastable | dongcarl: Versus manual commands? Uh, yeah, it's definitely better. |
| 00:38.32 | rant | dongcarl: the takeaway here is, try zoom out when you come to ask stuff, rather than quick specific questions, sometimes its better to explain what you are trying to do and let us help you brainstorm on solutions. |
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| 00:56.21 | jak2000 | rant thanks |
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| 00:56.28 | jak2000 | how to get the actual date - 1 day in this format yyyy/mm/dd ? |
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| 01:00.03 | fuby | hi, i just installed debian on a second harddrive. the first one has win10 installed. i installed grub but, something went wrong. i can only select debian. could someone help me? |
| 01:00.29 | Bliepo | To those helping me earlier with the network card issue (QLogic): https://pastebin.com/xttB60KR |
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| 01:00.43 | fuby | i installed grub on the first harddrive |
| 01:00.46 | metastable | jak2000: You asked that earlier. 'man date'. |
| 01:01.16 | metastable | fuby: Windows 10 is almost always EFI-based. Did you install Debian in EFI mode, or BIOS mode? |
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| 01:01.28 | fuby | i did not enforce efi |
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| 01:02.18 | fuby | metastable: |
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| 01:06.00 | metastable | fuby: Then it's possible that GRUB is unaware of Windows 10's existence. |
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| 01:07.14 | fuby | metastable: hm, is there anything i can do? |
| 01:08.22 | somiaj | when booted into debian, install os-prober, it can try to detect and make the windows boot available. |
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| 01:33.13 | TomTheDragon | I'm thinking of porting a lower baseline of Debian (yay) but I'd really rather be able to support the higher ones too, seamlessly. |
| 01:34.31 | TomTheDragon | clang is starting to look pretty cool with its bytecode embedding. however, would I be better off with dragonegg since everything won't build with clang? or would I be even worse off. |
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| 01:41.09 | levkusanagi | Dear #emacs, here's an unoriginal question: Is there a nice all-green matrix theme? I only really care about the background being black and everything else being pure green (#00ff00) |
| 01:41.23 | levkusanagi | I love retro-orange. An equivalent in green would be perfect. |
| 01:41.45 | levkusanagi | OOps, I'm not on #emacs :D Sorry fellas |
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| 02:52.24 | kion | I just set a Debian server and the first user is "admin", how can I change the user's name so it is no longer admin, because admin is the user everybody tries for hacking ssh |
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| 02:56.45 | acidtripper | kion, |
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| 02:56.52 | sdk | kion: usermod -l username new_username |
| 02:56.55 | acidtripper | usermod -l newuser olduser |
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| 02:57.40 | sdk | oh my bad acidtripper is right |
| 02:57.54 | sdk | needs sleep :) |
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| 03:02.01 | kion | acidtripper, will it break something having my file structure of /home/olduser ? |
| 03:02.53 | sdk | " The name of the user will be changed from LOGIN to NEW_LOGIN. Nothing else is changed. In particular, the user's home directory or mail spool should probably be renamed |
| 03:02.55 | sdk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.00 | sdk | From the manpage |
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| 03:04.15 | kion | sdk, so now my command to log into ssh will be "ssh new_user@host ? " |
| 03:04.33 | sdk | kion: yep |
| 03:05.54 | acidtripper | root user |
| 03:06.05 | acidtripper | does not have /home/** |
| 03:06.58 | metastable | I hope we're not SSHing as root... |
| 03:07.48 | sdk | metastable: #yolo :) |
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| 03:09.35 | pztrick | kion: you can also look into using SSH keypairs and disabling password logins over SSH (only allow password at physical console) |
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| 03:21.23 | kion | pztrick, I am already using ssh keys for logins, but thought why not also change the name... |
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| 03:41.02 | kion | pztrick, But I am concearned about PAM authentication, since I don't understand it and I am afraid it might override my other settings... how to know? |
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| 03:46.17 | jak2000 | metastable |
| 03:46.22 | jak2000 | but how minus 1 day? |
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| 03:50.37 | metastable | You do realize that 'man date' describes this fairly openly, yes? |
| 03:53.36 | jak2000 | ok |
| 03:53.38 | jak2000 | thanks |
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| 04:15.43 | rant | kion: I disable pam entirely in my sshd_config after my keys are setup. there is no need for PAM when using ssh keys |
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| 05:10.55 | awal1 | Any nice suggestion for add 'drop-down' feature for 'terminator'? |
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| 05:33.13 | goldstar | just installed debian 8.10, and there are no repo files in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d dir - anyone know where they are stored ? |
| 05:36.29 | towo^work | goldstar, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:37.28 | goldstar | towo^work, cheers |
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| 05:47.36 | BillyCrook | I'm experimentig with preseeds and I was comparing Debian Jessie and Stretch, and I noticed that Jessie has less straight after the preseed install, but Stretch does not, even though the two preseed files are nearly identical. No differences regarding packaging. Why then does one have less and one not? |
| 05:50.11 | BillyCrook | I know there's different tasksel's available. but I haven't installed any tasksels in either case |
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| 06:00.07 | Agafnd | say, a while ago i switched to kernel version 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, and now that the latest mainline release is out, i'd like to switch to that. |
| 06:00.34 | Agafnd | how can i do this? apt upgrade seemed to install the mainline kernel, but a reboot changes nothing |
| 06:00.47 | Agafnd | is it just a matter of apt install? |
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| 06:05.06 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 06:05.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 06:05.08 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3) |
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| 06:05.32 | somiaj | Agafnd: unless you want to compile your own kernel, you'll have to wait for a while for a newer kernel to make it into stretch-backports (assuming you are wanting 4.15?) |
| 06:05.41 | Agafnd | i believe i want 4.9.82-1+deb9u2 |
| 06:06.02 | Agafnd | i meant, i want the kernel that's recently been put in the main debian repository |
| 06:06.24 | somiaj | oh you want the new debian security kernel. If you have debian security kernel you can get it with apt install linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 (Assuming amd64 kernel) |
| 06:06.25 | Agafnd | 'cause it's supposed to have fixed a bug that's the reason i'm using the backports kernel |
| 06:06.35 | Agafnd | somiaj: thanks |
| 06:06.52 | Agafnd | (it also has meltdown fix!) |
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| 06:06.58 | somiaj | you may want to run apt policy linux-image-amd64, then run apt install linux-image-amd64=version (where version is what you get from the version for the on in stretch-security |
| 06:07.15 | somiaj | correct, though the meltdown fix has been in debian for a while, this now contains ratploine to help against spectre |
| 06:07.32 | somiaj | still suggested you update your firmware if your hardware company released any updates |
| 06:07.37 | Agafnd | right, though as far as i know it's not in the backports? |
| 06:07.50 | somiaj | it won't be until it makes it into buster |
| 06:07.57 | Agafnd | aha |
| 06:08.21 | Agafnd | anyway -- assuming this bug's fixed -- i'd rather use the security kernel |
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| 06:13.42 | Agafnd | hm, i ran apt install linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64, but uname -a still reports a backports kernel? |
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| 06:13.53 | Agafnd | do i need to uninstall the backports kernel |
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| 06:17.53 | Agafnd | somiaj: ^ ? |
| 06:18.19 | ollien | Sorry if this isn't the right place. I've recently inherited a debian mirror. I ran ftpsync a while ago to try and get everything up and running, and it's been running for a few hours now. Should I worry? Is there a way to check the status? |
| 06:18.57 | somiaj | Agafnd: There are other ways to change which one is default, but uninstalling it would be easiest |
| 06:19.06 | Agafnd | alright |
| 06:19.29 | Agafnd | just a simple apt remove, no? |
| 06:19.37 | somiaj | Agafnd: yes |
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| 06:21.02 | Agafnd | er. it warns me strongly against removing a kernel i am running |
| 06:21.18 | Agafnd | but i assume, if i have the new kernel installed, it will just pick that up at reboot? |
| 06:21.31 | Agafnd | or is another course wiser |
| 06:29.39 | Agafnd | somiaj: what are those "other ways to change" you speak of |
| 06:30.46 | somiaj | Agafnd: you can configure grub's default kernel. I think /etc/default/grub is one place to do this |
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| 06:51.11 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 07:27.08 | confrey | please help me |
| 07:27.11 | confrey | I was using a Stretch installation in another partition, but since a few days that system doesn't boot anymore, it stops in emergency mode after mounting volumes and I can enter in a rott shell, where I can see all volumes mounted but it can't continue; I dont' know where to investigate, any ideas? |
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| 07:35.28 | confrey | please help me |
| 07:35.30 | confrey | I was using a Stretch installation in another partition, but since a few days that system doesn't boot anymore, it stops in emergency mode after mounting volumes and I can enter in a rott shell, where I can see all volumes mounted but it can't continue; I dont' know where to investigate, any ideas? |
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| 08:48.23 | galegosimpatico | Reinstall it! |
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| 08:51.53 | confrey | galegosimpatico, eh come faccio, devo scoprire la causa, perché anche una Mint 18.3 installata a fianco ha lo stesso problema |
| 08:52.04 | confrey | ops excuse me |
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| 08:53.48 | confrey | I don't want to simply reinstall it, I need to figure oute the cause because I have another Linux installaiton (LinuxMint 18.3) in other partition not booting anymore, like Debian; I'm on a MX 16 now, hoping it'll continue to work.... |
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| 08:55.17 | petererer | Hmm, yet another dist-upgrade for a security fix :S |
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| 09:05.48 | galegosimpatico | So all your data is already correctly separated from the OS. Reinstall it! |
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| 09:07.24 | Iridos | confrey, they are probably mounted read-only and you have to fsck them? |
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| 09:17.36 | JustASlacker | does NFS client need rpcbind running? |
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| 09:21.36 | Ool | JustASlacker: apt show nfs-common and you can see the dependences |
| 09:22.45 | teatime | although that isn't really an answer |
| 09:22.47 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 09:24.13 | JustASlacker | well, nfs-common is for servers as well |
| 09:24.42 | tobiasBora | A friend of mine has a computer running debian (same problem on last ubuntu install). Sometime the computer just freeze randomly, and we can't avoid hard reboot (power button). However, when he restart, he always fall on grub console saying "error: unknow filesystem". So we reinstall, and a few mn later, same bug occurs... The disk is a SSD can it explain this bug somehow? |
| 09:24.59 | JustASlacker | its broken |
| 09:25.05 | teatime | that'd be my guess |
| 09:25.23 | Ool | JustASlacker: you need more for the server part |
| 09:25.37 | JustASlacker | but you need nfs-common too |
| 09:25.54 | Iridos | that's why it's called "common" ^^ |
| 09:26.07 | JustASlacker | I really hate nfs |
| 09:26.21 | Iridos | "no fucking security" "No files served" â⦠|
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| 09:27.09 | teatime | I'm embarassed that I never really learned anything about NFS |
| 09:27.16 | Iridos | but it's been around for about a hundred years⦠just google for one of the gazillion howtos or tutorials⦠|
| 09:27.24 | Iridos | we even run it⦠but I didn't set it up |
| 09:27.26 | teatime | like, I call myself a sr. linux sysadmin, I should really know the answer to your question |
| 09:27.35 | JustASlacker | Im in the same boat |
| 09:27.41 | darxmurf | then fight with old systems, files with accents and weird char and turn crazy |
| 09:27.42 | teatime | I think the answer is no, and rpcbind isn't even required at all anymore for all installs/configurations |
| 09:27.42 | darxmurf | :D |
| 09:27.44 | JustASlacker | but now Im trying to do nfs with ansible |
| 09:27.48 | teatime | but I don't really know |
| 09:27.48 | JustASlacker | makes me nervous |
| 09:27.59 | Iridos | haha |
| 09:28.06 | JustASlacker | bad enough when its a single machine |
| 09:28.08 | Iridos | that sounds⦠simple |
| 09:28.37 | darxmurf | I'm migrating an old NetApp server... to a new storage system... holly f*ck... |
| 09:29.04 | JustASlacker | just starts rpcbind |
| 09:30.06 | Iridos | but you're lucky⦠we're having new NetApp storage⦠and that's not really netapp |
| 09:30.14 | Iridos | moar fun |
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| 09:31.09 | darxmurf | do you have also dumb users storing files with ultra long filenames with all possible ASCII characters ? |
| 09:31.49 | JustASlacker | be glad its just ascii |
| 09:32.17 | JustASlacker | url's with utf-8 are also bad |
| 09:32.19 | darxmurf | well no... I mean UTF8 stuff... |
| 09:32.26 | darxmurf | russian, chineese and all |
| 09:32.45 | teatime | in unix, filenames are just bytes. arbitrary bytes are fine, invalid utf8 is fine, etc. |
| 09:32.54 | acidtripper | did exist vote for introducing systemd? |
| 09:33.01 | teatime | only real issue is that the same unicode string can be normalized different ways |
| 09:33.07 | acidtripper | or how was that part in the community ? |
| 09:33.25 | teatime | acidtripper: yes. google about it. it was a long drawn-out debate, that imo did a lot of damage to debian project. |
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| 09:33.44 | acidtripper | and continue doin it, i'll check. |
| 09:33.55 | acidtripper | any idea about percentage? |
| 09:34.02 | teatime | I have no idea what you are asking. |
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| 09:34.23 | teatime | there was no vote among users; that's not how debian works. |
| 09:34.33 | darxmurf | I can't rsync those files |
| 09:34.38 | darxmurf | anyway, I hate users :-) |
| 09:35.08 | bogus- | who doesn't |
| 09:36.19 | acidtripper | how decision was? |
| 09:36.28 | teatime | google it. |
| 09:36.32 | acidtripper | not talking about users, talking about developers |
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| 09:37.56 | bazhang | acidtripper, great topic for #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:50.24 | wrksx | hey there. I use a domain name (let's say dn.com) and I want to configure rdns, hostname and fqdn properly so it makes sense for the outside, for me as the sysadmin, and specially for sending email (seems that there are lots of checks on the domain and hostname) |
| 09:51.33 | wrksx | So what I'd like is to call my box 'mybox' (hostname) and use the domain name so I end up with a fqdn mybox.dn.com |
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| 09:52.24 | wrksx | But then, what should I point my reverse dns to ? dn.com or mybox.dn.com ? |
| 09:52.32 | teatime | wrksx: the best way, if practical, is have a line in /etc/hosts that looks like '1.2.3.4 mybox.dn.com mybox' + set /etc/hostname to 'mybox' |
| 09:52.50 | teatime | and 1.2.3.4 is your actual public ip addr |
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| 09:53.35 | teatime | PTR record should point to mybox.dn.com, forward and reverse resolution should be consistent |
| 09:53.36 | wrksx | teatime, alright makes sense config wise |
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| 09:54.18 | wrksx | teatime, but this server runs my webserver, and I need it to answer to dn.com without subdomain |
| 09:54.44 | teatime | that's fine, it can do that fine, just make an additional A record for dn.com to the same IP addr |
| 09:55.22 | wrksx | teatime, yeah right makes sense |
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| 09:56.36 | wrksx | teatime, thanks for the input =) |
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| 10:04.49 | anonyM0use | hello everyone , I am facing a issue with my wifi card |
| 10:05.11 | anonyM0use | The Problem : My wifi gets hardware disabled after I put my laptop back from sleep/suspend mode |
| 10:05.22 | anonyM0use | It doesn't happen in windows |
| 10:05.26 | anonyM0use | I am using kali |
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| 10:05.45 | anonyM0use | I tried my airplane mode switch but it doesn't do anything ,however other multimedia buttons do work |
| 10:05.50 | teatime | !kali |
| 10:05.50 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 10:06.03 | anonyM0use | this is my device https://www.amazon.in/HP-15-AC032TX-15-6-inch-Windows-Graphics/dp/B0112987AC |
| 10:06.13 | anonyM0use | I am reading this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2004690 |
| 10:06.15 | teatime | but try the rfkill package/program |
| 10:06.29 | anonyM0use | it's hardware blocked |
| 10:06.38 | teatime | ok, well, we don't support kali or hardware issues here |
| 10:06.48 | anonyM0use | it's not a kali issue |
| 10:06.50 | bazhang | #kali-linux for kali anonyM0use |
| 10:06.53 | anonyM0use | it's a debian issue |
| 10:06.58 | anonyM0use | i tried there |
| 10:07.03 | wrksx | lol |
| 10:07.03 | anonyM0use | they pushed me here :| |
| 10:07.12 | anonyM0use | check the link |
| 10:07.16 | anonyM0use | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2004690 |
| 10:07.26 | anonyM0use | it's happening on ubuntu too |
| 10:09.51 | anonyM0use | I am trying the solution in the thread , for which I will need to reboot my pc |
| 10:09.58 | anonyM0use | will be back in 5 |
| 10:10.23 | teatime | sigh |
| 10:11.45 | bazhang | the airplane mode button? |
| 10:11.56 | bazhang | thats a mfgr issue |
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| 10:12.34 | teatime | it's not uncommon for kernel/driver issues to cause that kind of behavior after suspend |
| 10:12.47 | teatime | but he'd have to prove it happens on a debian stable kernel before I'd care |
| 10:12.54 | wrksx | haha |
| 10:12.55 | bazhang | oh suspend |
| 10:13.06 | bazhang | thats something else entirely |
| 10:13.37 | bazhang | 'it works on windows' |
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| 10:16.59 | wrksx | teatime, I made the changes you outlined, but will it ensure the hostname/fqdn is correctly setup at start time? and do I need to run /etc/init.d/hostname.sh as written on some tutorial on the internet? |
| 10:17.44 | teatime | whichever service handles that will already be configured; yes it should be sufficient |
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| 10:18.00 | teatime | that's why you want it explicitly in /etc/hosts and not just DNS, so it will be correct even before the network is up |
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| 10:18.15 | anonyM0use | no it didn't work |
| 10:18.19 | anonyM0use | I restarted the pc |
| 10:18.23 | wrksx | teatime, perfect thank you |
| 10:18.29 | bazhang | anonyM0use, your kali issue? |
| 10:18.34 | anonyM0use | http://ibb.co/myH5fx |
| 10:18.51 | wrksx | nice screenshot |
| 10:18.54 | teatime | anonyM0use: install debian stable. see if you can reproduce the issue. then you may ask here again. |
| 10:19.10 | anonyM0use | in ubuntu 16 also it doesn't work |
| 10:19.14 | teatime | don't care. |
| 10:19.18 | anonyM0use | bazhang, The Problem : My wifi gets hardware disabled after I put my laptop back from sleep/suspend mode |
| 10:20.03 | bazhang | anonyM0use, it's the weekend so be patient in the kali channel where your issue is supported |
| 10:20.11 | darxmurf | nobody is working on the cifs-utils package anymore ? Oo |
| 10:20.57 | anonyM0use | bazhang, check this chat log |
| 10:20.58 | anonyM0use | http://ibb.co/nKrO0x |
| 10:21.06 | anonyM0use | they pushed me over here :( |
| 10:21.15 | anonyM0use | stating it's a debian issue |
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| 10:21.30 | bazhang | not a debian issue since you are on kali, sorry |
| 10:21.31 | teatime | they should know better. |
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| 10:22.59 | anonyM0use | you people are juggling balls , it seems |
| 10:23.10 | bazhang | ? |
| 10:23.20 | anonyM0use | the same issue happens in many of the ubuntu distributions too |
| 10:23.23 | anonyM0use | https://askubuntu.com/questions/761180/wifi-doesnt-work-after-suspend-after-16-04-upgrade/761220#761220 |
| 10:23.34 | anonyM0use | https://askubuntu.com/questions/737892/hard-blocked-wifi-after-suspend |
| 10:23.39 | wrksx | anonyM0use, the only way you are goin to get some help here is install debian and reproduce the issue, I'm afraid |
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| 10:23.46 | bazhang | try the kali channel, and ##linux as well anonyM0use |
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| 10:24.07 | anonyM0use | (Y) |
| 10:24.10 | anonyM0use | +1 |
| 10:24.12 | anonyM0use | ok |
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| 10:34.00 | dzove855 | hallo everyone, i would like to ask, how can i run a package clean in my debian rules after the build/install |
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| 10:47.51 | no_gravity | Strange, today gksu hangs, no matter what I try to start with it. How can I debug that? |
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| 10:57.40 | mcfrisk | Hi, are Debian security updates also available from snapshot.debian.org ? I would like to use snapshots to create chroot images with debootstrap reproducibly without mirror the whole repository or all debian packages. |
| 10:59.49 | Iridos | no_gravity, try to run it as root⦠that's the only way to trace it⦠|
| 10:59.55 | Iridos | else⦠look in logfiles |
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| 11:00.30 | Iridos | or loog in lockfiles (first had that as a typo, heh) |
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| 11:00.38 | no_gravity | Iridos: Run what as root? |
| 11:00.42 | Iridos | gksu |
| 11:00.48 | Iridos | what else |
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| 11:01.21 | bazhang | what version of debian no_gravity |
| 11:01.43 | bazhang | Iridos, gksu is the graphical sudo |
| 11:01.53 | Iridos | I know |
| 11:02.00 | no_gravity | Iridos: Running gksu as root spits out a bunch of error messages, but it works. |
| 11:02.07 | bazhang | Iridos, so no need for run it as root |
| 11:02.09 | no_gravity | The messages seem network related. |
| 11:02.34 | no_gravity | Interestingly, googling for "gksu hangs network" indeed bring up a lot of users with the same problem. |
| 11:02.47 | Iridos | bazhang, you cannot strace or trace in any other way programs that are suid, except if there is root |
| 11:03.00 | bazhang | no_gravity, did you tell us the debian version yet |
| 11:03.48 | Iridos | hence you need to run it as root to trace⦠with the problem that the error can disappear if it's some kind of permission thing |
| 11:04.25 | no_gravity | Iridos: The messages talk about network, proxy, dconf... |
| 11:04.40 | bazhang | Iridos, perhaps, if he is in debian |
| 11:04.55 | bazhang | no_gravity, version? |
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| 11:05.57 | no_gravity | GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: |
| 11:05.59 | no_gravity | Did not receive a reply.... |
| 11:06.04 | no_gravity | I wonder what this is about. |
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| 11:08.35 | no_gravity | Which log files would you guys look into? |
| 11:08.53 | bazhang | no_gravity, is that ubuntu or debian |
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| 11:13.17 | no_gravity | Iridos: How would you trace it? |
| 11:17.07 | mcfrisk | ah, snapshots does have security updates as well, I hope LTS too, but ca-certificates package for jessie is just really old, and git https problems with github come from curl gnutls in stretch... long story |
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| 11:25.47 | simpledat | Hi, what is this new dist-upgrade about linux-headers-4.9.0-6-amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-6-common linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64? |
| 11:26.47 | teatime | simpledat: it's a kernel upgrade? |
| 11:27.13 | simpledat | teatime: Why? What is the upgrade about? |
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| 11:27.40 | teatime | simpledat: try `aptitude changelog linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64` or one of the other ways to look at the debian changelog |
| 11:28.37 | teatime | bah that doesn't seem to work |
| 11:29.36 | petererer | simpledat, try https://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 11:30.23 | teatime | or `aptitude changelog linux` but you'll have to scroll down to the relevant version |
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| 11:31.43 | simpledat | So you dont know? |
| 11:31.48 | teatime | sigh |
| 11:31.54 | bitess | it works if you have the package installed. it fails if not because they havn't updated the changelog on metadata.ftp-master.debian.org yet. |
| 11:32.06 | teatime | bitess: ah, thanks |
| 11:32.54 | simpledat | teatime: What? |
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| 11:36.13 | sn00bie | hi, i ve some question about the rsyslog service and conf. datei. what is the meaning of - in the conf |
| 11:36.23 | sn00bie | example: lpr.* -/var/log/lpr.log |
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| 11:38.03 | simpledat | petererer: I cant find any info about kernel on that page |
| 11:39.07 | teatime | sn00bie: rsyslog has pretty solid documentation |
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| 11:40.09 | teatime | 'You may prefix each entry with a minus sign (â-â) to avoid syncing the file after each log message. Note that you might lose information if the system crashes right after a write attempt. Nevertheless this might give you back some performance, especially if you run proâ grams that use logging in a very verbose manner.' |
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| 11:40.16 | teatime | http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/master/configuration/sysklogd_format.html#actions |
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| 11:42.20 | petererer | simpledat, the kernel is "linux" |
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| 11:44.52 | sn00bie | teatime: thx a lot, that was the information! |
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| 12:17.47 | confrey | Iridos, no, I have checked all volumes from this system and all are OK |
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| 12:26.29 | sn00bie | mmh and the next question, i ve written an own prg, that started as service, can it write their log out into an extra log file with rsynclog. |
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| 12:32.30 | zPlus | hi, from aptitude I've issued the upgrade command to update new packages. This is the log: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/1f66d408 I've never encountered this warning before "Unable to find an initial ram disk that I know how to handle" and now I'm afraid to reboot because I wonder if the computer will boot at all. Is this OK or is there anything that I need to fix manually? |
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| 12:34.40 | teatime | zPlus: pretty sure it's normal. initrd and initramfs aren't the same exact thing. |
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| 12:37.35 | zPlus | ok, thank you |
| 12:37.56 | zPlus | teatime: what is briefly the difference between the two? |
| 12:38.32 | teatime | iirc it's two different formats, with initramfs being the newer one |
| 12:38.47 | zPlus | ok |
| 12:38.55 | zPlus | thank you |
| 12:38.55 | frostschutz | zPlus, what's in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms ? |
| 12:38.55 | teatime | https://www.slax.org/blog/18432-initrd-versus-initramfs.html |
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| 12:41.17 | zPlus | frostschutz: probably the default values because I've never touched this file https://paste.debian.net/plainh/187188d7 |
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| 12:48.16 | frostschutz | zPlus, hmmm, well this dkms thing wants to modify an initramfs, but it's created only afterwards so it can only fail. not using dkms myself no idea how this is supposed to work. what you have now is the original/regular initramfs, unmodified by dkms |
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| 12:48.38 | frostschutz | basically when dkms runs, the initramfs it wishes to modify does not exist yet |
| 12:48.46 | frostschutz | or at least, that's how I understand it from your log |
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| 12:50.04 | frostschutz | I guess you could re-run '/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms 4.9.0-6-amd64' |
| 12:50.26 | frostschutz | but I don't really know what happens then ;) |
| 12:50.48 | zPlus | how do you not use dkms? Doesn't it come with the debian installation by default? |
| 12:51.33 | teatime | frostschutz: there's a better way to do that |
| 12:51.49 | teatime | maybe just update-initramfs but pretty sure there's another command |
| 12:52.40 | frostschutz | yes, but if '/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms 4.9.0-6-amd64' works now then you can be more or less sure, it was just executed in the wrong order |
| 12:53.13 | frostschutz | if you run update-initramfs and there is no error, does not necessarily make it right (it might modify the old initramfs, which is then replaced afterwards with the new, unmodified initramfs, that'd be kinda pointless |
| 12:53.35 | frostschutz | the error shown only occurs the first time when there is no initramfs |
| 12:53.55 | teatime | you know that? or just assuming? |
| 12:54.21 | frostschutz | that's how I read the code, of course it might be wrong :-) |
| 12:54.28 | teatime | fair enough. |
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| 13:13.29 | Iridos | .weather neu-ulm |
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| 13:17.22 | jusss | how to ssh to machine B with password via machine A with certificate? |
| 13:18.21 | koollman | ssh machineA ssh machineB ? |
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| 13:20.10 | frostschutz | jusss, that depends... if the 2nd ssh client should run on machine a, then maybe 'ssh -t user@A ssh user@B' . if you want ssh client to stay on your side for end-to-end encryption... you have to port forward |
| 13:22.29 | jusss | frostschutz: I want it stay on my local side, not machine A, I know there's a parameter -J, also I know there's -i parameter can specify the key, but I don't know how put -J and -i together |
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| 13:25.24 | frostschutz | jusss, -J is a short hand for port forwarding, I don't think it allows specification for custom certificate for each jump host. You can try with -i identity1 -i identity2 -i identity3 and then hope it will just figure out which to use for each jump |
| 13:26.31 | frostschutz | jusss, so jumping over A and B finally reaching C with different identity for each, it would be ssh -i identityA -i identityB -i identityC -J user@A,user@B user@C |
| 13:26.38 | Iridos | jusss, you can configure ProxyCommand in ~/.ssh/config |
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| 13:27.30 | Iridos | that makes it seem as if you connect to B directly, but really, there's first a connection to A |
| 13:27.44 | Iridos | but it's basically the same approach as ssh A ssh B |
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| 13:39.59 | jusss | frostschutz: ssh -i x.key -J john@A:221 john@B don't work, because ssh still try use x.key login B |
| 13:40.23 | jusss | A is with secret key, B is with password |
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| 13:47.41 | frostschutz | jusss, but it works in two steps? ssh -L 127.0.0.1:9999:B:22 userA@A , then in another terminal ssh userB@127.0.0.1:9999 ? |
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| 13:49.20 | frostschutz | sorry, that might be -p 9999 instead of :9999 in the second one... |
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| 13:52.46 | confrey | it seems more people is here now, I repeat my request, please : |
| 13:53.06 | confrey | I was using a Stretch installation in another partition, but since a few days that system doesn't boot anymore, it stops in emergency mode after mounting volumes and I can enter in a root shell, where I can see all volumes mounted but it can't continue; I dont' know where to investigate, any ideas? |
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| 13:54.01 | somiaj | it should tell you why it stops? Is it because you have changed your setup and there is a drive in /etc/fstab it cannot mount? |
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| 14:21.08 | jelly-home | ,suggests ansible |
| 14:21.09 | judd | Package ansible in stretch/amd64 -- suggests: cowsay, sshpass. |
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| 15:12.46 | confrey | somiaj, excuse me, now I read; no, it seems all volumes are OK, it might be something else, I read the logs but I can't understand the reason |
| 15:14.44 | alkisg | confrey: systemctl status may be a good start |
| 15:14.58 | alkisg | Also dmesg and /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:16.30 | jusss | frostschutz: yeah, this is ok |
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| 15:17.10 | jusss | frostschutz: thanks |
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| 16:00.46 | confrey | alkisg, thanks, syslog, I can give you it at once; for dmesg and systemctl I need to restart |
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| 16:05.16 | confrey | alkisg, here : https://pastebin.com/TaY307Xq |
| 16:08.10 | alkisg | confrey: this is 2 days old, so it doesn't help. Maybe your disk needs an fsck? |
| 16:08.28 | alkisg | You should be seeing a message then, saying and/or mentioning that it's being remounted ro... |
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| 16:11.40 | confrey | alkisg, yes, it doen't boot since a few days |
| 16:11.58 | confrey | wait, I have a screen's photo |
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| 16:15.14 | confrey | alkisg, here : https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NwZaXzM7nDmM89LrvHpAwB0-CLWy1kTG |
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| 16:59.19 | somiaj | confrey: did you as it suggested login and run journalctl -xb to view the logs to get an idea what could be failing? |
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| 17:12.40 | mvaenskae | cheers, looking into installing debian on my macbook pro 13" mid 2011 (migrating from gentoo; my studies don't allow the time for a source-based laptop install sadly) and i wanted to continue using refind; how would i best approach the installation of refind? install as normal grub and fix the boot record that way or not install grub at all and manually after the installation of debian but without |
| 17:12.46 | mvaenskae | reboot install and configure refind? |
| 17:12.48 | mackerel449 | how do i get the CLOCK_MONOTONIC option for clock_gettime()? i either get "CLOCK_MONOTONIC undeclared" with #include <time.h> or "struct timespec undeclared" when i try sys/time.h or linux/time.h |
| 17:13.48 | mvaenskae | mackerel449: sounds like it's not included in the kernel (guesstimate on that) |
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| 17:14.36 | tomlukeywood_ | If i install a GUI on debian 9 will i no longer boot to the CLI by default? |
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| 17:15.47 | somiaj | tomlukeywood_: depends on the gui installed. But most desktops will pull in a display manager. |
| 17:15.57 | somiaj | You can disable the display manager if you don't want to boot into a gui login screen. |
| 17:16.54 | tomlukeywood_ | its a server so i just dont want reasources to be used up by a GUI most of the time |
| 17:17.06 | tomlukeywood_ | How do i disable to display manager? |
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| 17:17.17 | somiaj | there are again various ways, but here is one |
| 17:17.18 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 17:17.18 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
| 17:17.23 | somiaj | the echo false ... part |
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| 17:17.56 | jelly | mackerel449: man clock_gettime says to #include <time.h> |
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| 17:18.20 | jelly | mackerel449: which debian release is this |
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| 17:18.34 | tomlukeywood_ | somiaj: thanks |
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| 17:20.04 | mackerel449 | jelly: stretch, the redefinition comes up because of libpng includes one of those time.h files |
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| 17:21.46 | jelly | mackerel449: redefinition of what? |
| 17:21.49 | mackerel449 | worked around it by just defining CLOCK_MONOTONIC 1 and not including anything |
| 17:21.58 | mackerel449 | jelly: struct timespec |
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| 17:23.10 | jelly | that does not sound like the righyt way to do it but helping you means I'd have to look at some C code so, hey, whatever works |
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| 17:24.40 | jelly | tomlukeywood_: if it's a server, why install GUI at all |
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| 17:25.13 | jelly | run GUI tools on a workstation |
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| 17:35.39 | mackerel449 | jelly: it's scattered across a few files, basically pngconf.h includes <time.h> which doesn't have CLOCK_MONOTONIC, if i include linux/time.h ill get "redefinition of "struct timespec"" |
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| 17:41.22 | mackerel449 | whatever, C11 has timespec_get() apparently |
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| 17:49.11 | jelly | mackerel449: #include <time.h> defines CLOCK_MONOTONIC for me on stretch, i386 |
| 17:49.38 | bitesss | man clock_gettime also says _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 199309L so check if that's set. |
| 17:50.21 | bitesss | time.h does a lot of conditional includes |
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| 17:50.32 | greycat | I get a value of 1 (apparently an int) for CLOCK_MONOTONIC from <time.h> on stretch amd64. |
| 17:50.52 | greycat | printf("%s\n", CLOCK_MONOTONIC); gave a seg fault, but %d worked |
| 17:51.07 | jelly | they're gone |
| 17:52.47 | jelly | I've forgotten so much of C, gcc has told me what to include to have printf() working, what to include to have exit() working, and where I'm missing a semicolon |
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| 17:54.08 | nodiscc | hi everyone, I have a new rig with a GTX 970 video card, Debian stable does not boot unless i set "nomodeset" in kernel parameters. Is this a known bug and where do I find/report it? |
| 17:57.03 | jelly | find it among the thousand reports for linux (the kernel) source package, bugs.debian.org/src:linux |
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| 17:57.59 | jelly | nodiscc: report it... eh, probably read nouveau driver wiki first and see if it's expected to work AT ALL on your 4.9.x kernel version |
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| 17:58.46 | gr8 | I noticed that in the standard installation, exim4 is running on port 25. I don't need any email support, so should I disable this service or remove exim altogether? |
| 17:58.58 | jelly | nodiscc: honestly, even my GT720 doesn't work stable on stable with free drivers |
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| 17:59.43 | gr8 | or is there some firewall rule by default that prevents access to this service from outside? |
| 17:59.46 | jelly | gr8: it's only running on localhost ip address by default, and it's used for local delivery only |
| 17:59.54 | gr8 | ok |
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| 18:00.46 | jelly | cron wants it (well it wants a MTA, and exim4 is default), among other things |
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| 18:03.59 | nodiscc | jelly: thanks, apparently the 970 is only supported in 4.14 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101887 |
| 18:04.12 | nodiscc | 4.13 i mean |
| 18:04.18 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 18:04.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 18:04.20 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3) |
| 18:04.26 | nodiscc | I will try to upgrade to 4.14 in backports |
| 18:04.33 | jelly | right |
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| 18:21.57 | SamySam | Hi guys. I would like to create some account automatically on new servers for all admin users. How can I create a user in way he has ssh access and he is able to define it's own password ? |
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| 18:30.46 | yakiza | You are a lot of people in debian anyone from england? |
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| 18:34.29 | hypn0 | abt 0.87 % I think http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/ |
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| 18:35.36 | greycat | !bad polls |
| 18:35.36 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian. |
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| 18:44.37 | ageis | are there known issues with DBUS in buster? |
| 18:44.44 | ageis | I'm having a very difficult time |
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| 18:46.42 | ageis | by difficult time, this is what I mean https://paste.cointel.pro/?f0027f6698696439#z7dy1tWMnIjEGy3IAhEmVC/0k6Q7ScK2GJCGXdgXEEI= |
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| 18:47.14 | ageis | it's bad, I have random programs segfaulting and dumping core and errors popping up all the time |
| 18:47.24 | ageis | but its somewhat workable, some of the dbus contexts work |
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| 18:47.36 | greycat | !tell ageis about debian-next |
| 18:48.08 | ageis | thank you |
| 18:48.18 | ageis | I need an invite |
| 18:48.27 | ageis | oh |
| 18:48.28 | greycat | Read the factoid again, more closely. |
| 18:48.37 | ageis | sorry, i have poor attention to detail sometimes |
| 18:48.43 | ageis | ty again |
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| 19:02.27 | mvaenskae | eh, debian 9.3 netinstaller has a small typo in the volume group setup |
| 19:02.53 | mvaenskae | or not... my head just blanked >.> |
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| 19:17.55 | confrey | somiaj, I'll do it soon, thanks |
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| 19:27.06 | mvaenskae | how can i chroot into the currently installed debian from the installer? the step to install grub fails |
| 19:27.28 | greycat | !chroot |
| 19:27.29 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 19:27.32 | mvaenskae | i would want to install refind anyways so i am fine with that chroot failing |
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| 19:27.59 | mvaenskae | greycat: it's during the installation, last step before cleanup from what i can gather |
| 19:28.11 | greycat | Try it and see? |
| 19:28.33 | greycat | The /target may already be mounted, so be sure to check that first |
| 19:28.56 | mvaenskae | i see my lvm-based partition to be mounted in /dev/.static/dev per fstab but it somehow doesn't register correctly and tells me "cannot exec sh/bash, no such file or dir" |
| 19:29.53 | mvaenskae | imho strange; it reminds me of a minimal /dev dir for an initramfs |
| 19:30.19 | mvaenskae | eh wait |
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| 19:31.07 | mvaenskae | i missed the entry prior to it being mounted at /target |
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| 19:36.20 | mvaenskae | alright, good thing i checked the kernel location; how can i make apt intall the kernel into a custom location? |
| 19:36.49 | greycat | You can't. |
| 19:37.15 | greycat | That's why you chroot into the target and then run it. |
| 19:37.21 | mvaenskae | i just distrust grub so much i refuse to install it anymore |
| 19:37.56 | tw | Where would it put the kernel if not /boot? |
| 19:38.04 | mvaenskae | tw: in the ESP |
| 19:38.10 | arha_ | just backspace 30 times and it will load the safe grub version |
| 19:38.23 | mvaenskae | arha_: the grub installer fails in the netinstaller ;) |
| 19:38.30 | greycat | Only for you. |
| 19:39.10 | mvaenskae | greycat: true, but it still failing means it fails :) |
| 19:39.19 | tw | mvaenskae: can you mount/symlink the ESP such that your kernels end up in the right place? |
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| 19:39.35 | greycat | Or just copy the kernel to the place you want it. |
| 19:39.45 | mvaenskae | tw: the esp cannot be encrypted; /boot is part of my rootfs encrypted and on lvm |
| 19:40.05 | mvaenskae | greycat: and a kernel update results in me having to do it every time there is a new kernel? |
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| 19:40.41 | greycat | I don't know what to tell you. You are doing some crazy unique thing that nobody else does, and your problems are of your own creation. |
| 19:40.45 | tw | mvaenskae: you can mount the ESP wherever you want, including over /boot |
| 19:40.51 | greycat | Your solutions will therefore also be unique to you. |
| 19:41.13 | mvaenskae | tw: that is not valid behaviour though to my understanding of how the ESP is supposed to be used |
| 19:41.22 | greycat | !esp |
| 19:41.23 | dpkg | I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand? |
| 19:41.23 | mvaenskae | it may work but it was not designed to be used as such |
| 19:41.29 | greycat | yeah, me either, dpkg. |
| 19:41.37 | mvaenskae | efi system partition |
| 19:41.55 | greycat | so "the EFI partition". that doesn't have kernels in it. |
| 19:42.02 | greycat | Kernels go in /boot. |
| 19:42.53 | somiaj | I did see one user try to put kernels in the efi partition, which doesn't work on debian, because dpkg uses hardlinks when upgrading and fat file system do not support links. |
| 19:43.12 | somiaj | (They ended up doing some strange hack to allow kernel upgrades to happen, but I think it is probably not the best approach) |
| 19:43.24 | somiaj | (note they did mount their efi partition in /boot |
| 19:44.23 | mvaenskae | greycat: incorrect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_system_partition |
| 19:44.26 | tw | mvaenskae: can write a dpkg post-invoke hook to check for new kernels and copy them appropriately. There's not going to be a built in mechanism for that behavior though. |
| 19:45.26 | greycat | Which part is incorrect? Kernels go in /boot in Debian, and other people have explained to you what happened to others who have apparently tried to do whatever bizarre thing you are trying to do, for whatever bizarre reasons you have dreamt up. |
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| 19:46.24 | greycat | Random wikipedia pages are absolutely not authoritative sources of info for Debian system administration. |
| 19:47.31 | mvaenskae | greycat: then what about this https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/efi-stub.txt |
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| 19:51.02 | tw | Debian doesn't use the ESP for storing kernels. You're free to write your own solution to that problem. |
| 19:51.11 | mvaenskae | i will look into the post-invoke hook method in that case though |
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| 19:51.46 | tw | another option is incron with a write-close line that looks for kernels. |
| 19:52.32 | mvaenskae | tw: which is imho a bit interesting; must be due to common behaviour amongst all systems |
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| 19:55.37 | tw | mvaenskae: I wouldn't be surprised if ESP boot just wasn't reliable on many installs because of secureboot. I'm surprised the generic kernel supports CONFIG_EFI_STUB at all. |
| 19:56.27 | mvaenskae | secureboot is iirc not a hard requirement for efi booting; also it allows using linux without any bootloader whatsoever |
| 19:56.43 | mvaenskae | i did that for a year or so before trying out refind and finding it to just work |
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| 19:58.29 | tw | easier to keep the status quo and not have a ton of questions on why they have to go into the bios and disable secureboot. |
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| 19:59.42 | mvaenskae | thing is, there is a possibility to have a custom bootloader signed for secureboot which is a stub sorts of for another keystore where distros can have their kernel sigkeys backed up |
| 20:00.32 | mvaenskae | which is iirc done by many distros these days to work around secureboot issues (requires distro-supported kernel with no modifications really; anyone doing those is expected to get their hands dirty :) ) |
| 20:00.39 | tw | sounds like a politics question I'm not in a position to field. |
| 20:01.08 | mvaenskae | your post-install hook seems to be run on any dpkg invocation... |
| 20:01.14 | mvaenskae | is that the case? |
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| 20:01.38 | somiaj | yes, but i think you can then within the hook only do stuff if say a kernel package is updated |
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| 20:02.15 | somiaj | I just don't see what advatnage you are getting from just putting grub or gumiboot ni the efi partition and keeping the kerenl in /boot? |
| 20:02.38 | mvaenskae | i want to move the kernel to the esp |
| 20:02.58 | mvaenskae | right now it's in boot which no EFI system can read due to encryption, lvm and xfs |
| 20:03.36 | somiaj | but why not just have /boot outside of the encrypted partition like most people do? I still don't see any advatnage you are getting out of having to build your own hooks for this. |
| 20:04.02 | mvaenskae | somiaj: i have not needed /boot for multiple years |
| 20:04.05 | greycat | Stop encrypting /boot. |
| 20:04.22 | mvaenskae | greycat: i do not use /boot except as a mounting point for ESP |
| 20:04.31 | mvaenskae | or rather /boot/efi |
| 20:04.34 | greycat | As I said earlier, your problems are of your own creation. |
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| 20:05.37 | mvaenskae | greycat: also your suggestion to not encrypt boot is of mixed response; it makes stuff easier but with grub supporting encrypted volumes and such i feel it should not be the default |
| 20:05.46 | mvaenskae | smaller attack surface for evil maid attacks and such |
| 20:07.06 | somiaj | I still don't see the advatnage, so your kernels are in the efi partition instead of /boot. You can actually do this with a far easier method than what you are doing, though as I said debian will hav eproblems upgrading kernels due to fat file systems and links |
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| 20:07.43 | mvaenskae | anyways, this doesn't solve the question of smartly invoking a post-invoke-success depending on kernel upgrade or not |
| 20:07.44 | somiaj | though sure go ahead and do it, it is nice that it can be done. Just expect little support, and few people who have any experience with it |
| 20:08.04 | somiaj | most here aren't going to want to support some exoitc setup. |
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| 20:08.45 | mvaenskae | i feel like that ain't too exotic after a decade of linux :) |
| 20:09.05 | ebol4 | on nano 2.7.4 (current version in stable repo), when I run it over SSH and hold any of the arrow keys, it writes A B C or D to the file repeatedly while moving the cursor around |
| 20:09.09 | tw | pretty exotic, but patches welcome. |
| 20:09.10 | ebol4 | $TERM=xterm |
| 20:10.05 | greycat | ebol4: what is the *actual* terminal you are sshing from? |
| 20:10.35 | ebol4 | using ConEmu to open Bash in WSL |
| 20:10.42 | ebol4 | i'll try it in putty |
| 20:11.07 | ebol4 | does not happen in putty |
| 20:11.07 | greycat | If the problem only occurs when "holding" the arrow key instead of pressing it once every 0.500 seconds or so, then it sounds like something in the terminal. |
| 20:11.27 | ebol4 | this only started after updating nano though |
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| 20:12.07 | greycat | Perhaps the newer version of nano uses a shorter timeout after receiving an ESC byte before waiting for the rest of the escape sequence to arrive. |
| 20:12.26 | greycat | But that is 100% guesswork. |
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| 20:15.10 | tw | Probably onto something there though. Most likely you need to mess around with your terminal's settings so it matches the TERM=xterm behavior. |
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| 20:15.35 | greycat | If that were the issue I would expect the problem EVERY time the arrow key is pressed, not just intermittently. |
| 20:15.39 | mvaenskae | tw: there wouldn't be much to patch really except the location for the kernel to install to :) |
| 20:15.59 | tw | mvaenskae: but it also has to detect the boot configuration and put it in the right spot for every OTHER configuration. |
| 20:16.02 | tw | So it's not simple. |
| 20:16.23 | somiaj | mvaenskae: there is more than that. Dpkg cannot upgrade stuff on fat file systems. Otherwise you could jsut mount your efi partition at /boot and be done |
| 20:16.51 | somiaj | so you can't just have a package install a file on a fat file system. |
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| 20:18.01 | jhutchins | There have been distributions that would install and upgrade correctly on FAT/NTFS systems; cygwin is one. |
| 20:18.30 | somiaj | sure, it is just that when upgrading a package, dpkg uses hard links to create the backup (so if the install fiails it can revert) |
| 20:18.49 | somiaj | but it is something that makes upgrading packages that install files on a fat file system not work. |
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| 20:22.36 | awal1 | trying to understand the use of "dpkg-query -f" option but I don't get it |
| 20:22.59 | awal1 | any example? |
| 20:24.01 | somiaj | the man page has an example. It just allows you to configure how the output is formated |
| 20:24.43 | awal1 | my undestanding is 'dpkg-query -f=Section' for example ? |
| 20:25.26 | awal1 | "dpkg-query -f=Section openbox" |
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| 20:27.40 | tw | maybe try dpkg-query -f '${binary:Package} ${section}\n' -W openbox |
| 20:27.41 | somiaj | awal1: read the manpage again. It even gives you an example. dpkg-query -f='${Section}' openbox |
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| 20:29.26 | awal1 | somiaj ---» that returns "dpkg-query: error: need an action option" |
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| 20:31.16 | Tenkawa | i get results on dpkg but none on openbox |
| 20:31.29 | awal1 | yes I see example somiaj dpkg-query -W -f='${binary:Package} ${Version}\t${Maintainer}\n' dpkg |
| 20:31.33 | awal1 | I seen |
| 20:31.37 | Tenkawa | try substituting dpkg in that query |
| 20:32.44 | Tenkawa | can the tags be incomplete possibly? |
| 20:34.05 | awal1 | not sure. well this example works "dpkg-query -W -f='${binary:Package} ${Version}\t${Maintainer}\n' fvwm ---» fvwm 1:2.6.7-3Jaimos Skriletz <jaimosskriletz@gmail.com>" somiaj :P:D |
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| 20:34.23 | Tenkawa | yeah i see other ones that work too |
| 20:34.38 | Tenkawa | thats why i speculate its openbox specific |
| 20:35.03 | awal1 | works for openbox too dpkg-query -W -f='${binary:Package} ${Version}\t${Maintainer}\n' openbox |
| 20:35.03 | awal1 | openbox 3.6.1-6Mateusz Åukasik <mati75@linuxmint.pl> |
| 20:35.18 | awal1 | may have to be installed |
| 20:35.33 | Tenkawa | checking my repo |
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| 20:36.43 | Tenkawa | yeah that might be whats going on |
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| 20:42.35 | awal1 | ok, I got it |
| 20:42.48 | awal1 | example: dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\n' openbox |
| 20:42.48 | awal1 | x11 |
| 20:43.30 | awal1 | looks like -f "should be" combined with -W (--show) |
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| 20:44.13 | awal1 | output is clearer with the strings |
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| 20:45.13 | Tenkawa | cool |
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| 20:46.42 | awal1 | looks like one gets an exit status 0 only if pkg is installed |
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| 20:59.56 | awal1 | if pkg A is held bcoz unmet deps, how can I verify if deps are satisfied? I usually just run aptitude -s full-upgrade or aptitude -s install pkgA as regular user and verify deps again but wondering if there a special option I am missing |
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| 21:19.00 | kion | How do I set a systemwide crontab? |
| 21:19.11 | kion | sorry meant cron job |
| 21:19.27 | greycat | the /etc/crontab file can be used, or you can run "crontab -e" as root or the target user |
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| 21:19.54 | velix | When running PostgreSQL in a chroot, does the host have access to its ports or do I need to redirekt them? |
| 21:21.32 | awal1 | only clear solution I found "aptitude/apt -s full/dist-upgrade pkgA" for verify deps status and verbose info about unmet deps . :( |
| 21:22.10 | greycat | velix: TCP would work without special steps (but you'd need to authenticate); for the unix domain sockets, you would have to place those inside the chroot and make some special arrangement for clients outside the chroot to use them. |
| 21:23.21 | velix | greycat: ah okay. but is there a way to keep TCP connections inside the chroot or do I need LXC or Docker for that? |
| 21:23.40 | greycat | I have never done it, so I don't know whether simply editing /etc/postgresql/VERSION/main/postgresql.conf for the client would work or not. |
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| 21:24.19 | greycat | I have no idea what you mean by "keep TCP connections inside the chroot". |
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| 21:25.45 | velix | greycat: brb, need t ofinish cooking first. |
| 21:25.48 | kion | greycat, once I modigy the /etc/crontab file, Do I have to somehow register the file to the system or how will the system know it has changed and that it has to go do something? |
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| 21:25.54 | velix | greycat: potatoes got ready too early |
| 21:26.03 | greycat | kion: no further steps are required |
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| 21:26.31 | kion | greycat, so just sudo nano the file and save it? |
| 21:28.36 | greycat | Make sure you get the format of your entry correct; see "man 5 crontab". Remember that the lines in /etc/crontab have one extra field (username) compared to the lines in a regular "crontab -e". |
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| 21:31.54 | kion | greycat, yes! i noticed and set the line properly... hopefully it will trigger |
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| 21:52.10 | ageis | mixing prefixes and adding Linux Mint and winehq sources destroyed my dbus |
| 21:52.35 | ageis | lesson learned |
| 21:53.18 | tw | what's the trigger? frankendebian? |
| 21:53.28 | greycat | yes, that's one |
| 21:53.33 | tw | !frankendebian |
| 21:53.33 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 21:53.34 | greycat | or "don't break debian" |
| 21:53.39 | tw | also good advice. |
| 21:53.56 | greycat | !don't break debian |
| 21:53.56 | dpkg | somebody said dont break debian was https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 21:55.09 | Mathisen | i like the sound of frankendebian someone should make a dist named that |
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| 21:56.12 | Tenkawa | I also learned in the day when it was "if you broke it be prepared to fix it yourself with no documentation by hand" circa 1993 |
| 21:56.15 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
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| 21:57.02 | Tenkawa | before most distributions today even existed |
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| 21:58.43 | velix | greycat: I cooked pork cutlets in white wine sauce. It was tasty. |
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| 21:59.12 | velix | greycat: Actually, I'd like to run PostgreSQL in chroot, but I want to restrict the access to the chroot. |
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| 21:59.53 | Tenkawa | velix: access in what way? |
| 21:59.56 | greycat | The database server is running inside the chroot, yes? Just use TCP to connect to it from outside. |
| 22:00.00 | Tenkawa | network or file? |
| 22:00.12 | velix | Tenkawa: network |
| 22:00.13 | greycat | As I said before your dinner, TCP will make it easy. |
| 22:00.30 | velix | greycat: That's my point, I do NOT want to access it from outside :) |
| 22:00.39 | greycat | I can't understand what you're saying, then. |
| 22:00.43 | velix | greycat: so sure, I could use a unix socket and stop TCP listening ;) |
| 22:00.47 | greycat | You said you wanted network access (to Tenkawa). |
| 22:00.50 | Tenkawa | chroot's dont care about the tcp/ip stack |
| 22:01.02 | velix | greycat: I said, I want to restrict it to the chroot. |
| 22:01.10 | greycat | what does that MEAN |
| 22:01.20 | velix | greycat: let me get my dictionary, 1 sec |
| 22:01.26 | Tenkawa | greycat: I think he's implying process isolation |
| 22:01.36 | greycat | I don't know what that means either. Where is the client? |
| 22:01.38 | Tenkawa | not 100% sure though |
| 22:02.13 | greycat | If the client is also inside the chroot, then there is no step required at all. Just run them both and let them both chat away. |
| 22:02.25 | greycat | TCP access is off by default in Debian. |
| 22:02.57 | Tenkawa | hmmm... he may want to tunnel it |
| 22:02.59 | velix | greycat: I want to run PostgreSQL within a chroot (or LXC) and allow network access only within the chroot to the server. The host should not be allowed on the PostgreSQL server via network. One possibility would be to prohibit TCP and only allow access via Unix sockets. |
| 22:03.03 | Tenkawa | so outside in |
| 22:03.18 | greycat | Why are you using TCP? |
| 22:03.36 | greycat | Yes. Just use unix domain sockets. The default. |
| 22:03.50 | Tenkawa | agrees |
| 22:03.53 | tw | velix: have you tried this? Try it to see if you have the problems you are anticipating. |
| 22:04.09 | Tenkawa | no need to use tcp unless you are forced to |
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| 22:04.34 | velix | tw: Yes, I can access the server inside chroot from outside. That's why I wanted to limit the access :) |
| 22:04.35 | cef | velix: does it matter if the machine that is hosting the chroot is able to access PostgreSQL? |
| 22:04.57 | velix | cef: actually there's also a server running on the host, on the same port. |
| 22:05.03 | velix | cef: that made trouble. |
| 22:05.09 | greycat | So you turned on TCP. Well, turn it off. |
| 22:05.28 | velix | greycat: For the host's TCP, I need TCP (it will be accessed from other clients). |
| 22:05.43 | greycat | I am ONLY talking about the thing INSIDE the chroot that you asked about. |
| 22:05.50 | cef | velix: chroot doesn't affect network access. |
| 22:05.50 | velix | greycat: yeah! Isn't it on by default on Debian? |
| 22:06.04 | velix | cef: Does LXC? Just interesting. |
| 22:06.08 | velix | interested* |
| 22:06.14 | cef | velix: and so if you're running them BOTH on the same TCP port, you'll get issues. |
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| 22:06.40 | velix | cef: yeah, I thought, I could turn off network access in the chroot. |
| 22:06.47 | tw | velix: yes, lxc can use network isolation, it's implemented as network namespaces, but it gets much more cumbersome to manage than just turning off TCP. |
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| 22:07.14 | velix | tw: yeah |
| 22:07.23 | velix | Thanks for your help. I'm turning off TCP. |
| 22:07.54 | tw | If you just want to block access to tcp, there's always iptables -m owner --uid-owner, but that doesn't prevent port collisions. |
| 22:08.07 | greycat | iptables is the wrong tree in the wrong forest |
| 22:08.43 | velix | greycat: mirror, mirror |
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| 22:08.51 | velix | greycat: sorry, Startrek. |
| 22:09.50 | zerocool | hi guys |
| 22:10.31 | zerocool | anyone know if one can serve nfs to a windows computer running dfs? |
| 22:10.48 | zerocool | i suppose this isn't debian related but i am using debian :) |
| 22:11.19 | greycat | Debian can be an NFS server. Whether Windows can be an NFS client, who knows? Ask ##windows? |
| 22:12.00 | greycat | Most likely you will end up using Samba. |
| 22:12.07 | wigums | use samba |
| 22:12.12 | wigums | oops |
| 22:12.40 | BCMM | zerocool: reasonably sure dfs is not an nfs client. however, windows has had an nfs client in the past, as part of windows services for unix |
| 22:12.45 | BCMM | don't know what the current status of that is |
| 22:12.55 | iWaldo__ | just tried out stretch for the first time. installed i3 and got everything set up the way i like it. after installing emacs the mouse cursors change while hovering over any region that isn't an i3 titlebar on any virtual desktop which has an emacs instance open |
| 22:13.02 | tw | SFU still exists for enterprise windows. |
| 22:13.13 | BCMM | greycat: ^ |
| 22:13.14 | iWaldo__ | removed emacs and things were back to normal |
| 22:13.44 | iWaldo__ | first guess is a library called libwayland-cursor0 but i can't find much info about it |
| 22:13.51 | BCMM | greycat: https://graspingtech.com/mount-nfs-share-windows-10/ |
| 22:14.07 | tw | wrong end user. |
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| 22:16.12 | Tenkawa | cheers all |
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| 22:17.57 | BCMM | zerocool: yes, sorry, i highlighted the wrong user. see url above. |
| 22:18.31 | zerocool | nooooo |
| 22:18.36 | zerocool | we don't have enterprise |
| 22:18.37 | zerocool | :( |
| 22:18.43 | zerocool | thank you guys though |
| 22:19.08 | adelyne | Hi, I'm having a problem with nftables, sometimes after booting all ports are closed, both in output and input, and I have to 'systemctl restart nftables' to get it working again. This happens with stretch's kernel and the 4.14 backport. Here is my nftables.conf https://paste.debian.net/1011704/ I haven't seen any bug report about this, so I'm thinking maybe I'm doing something wrong. |
| 22:20.05 | adelyne | I can't even access anything running on localhost. |
| 22:20.06 | zerocool | BCMM: i think i can still do this for servers though, I have seen the option in like Server2012/r2, NFS Clients... so this page may be of use |
| 22:20.24 | adelyne | s/running/listening/ |
| 22:22.01 | wigums | adelyne, did you ask in #netfilter? |
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| 22:22.55 | adelyne | Not yet, after all my rules are working just fine when I'm loading them once the system is up. |
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| 22:24.10 | adelyne | I'm not sure I've tested my computer can't send anything though, but it sure is dropping everything it receives, as if the rules after "policy drop" were ignored. |
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| 23:05.17 | bolovanos | debian - I am on debian wheezy, have probles installing some packages over pip(1.1), found that with higher pip there should be no problem. According to https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-pip - there is no newer version for Wheezy - am I right or is there a way to install the newest 9.0.1 on Wheezy? |
| 23:05.59 | velix | apt-get install beer |
| 23:07.34 | joze | a beeeer? |
| 23:07.34 | bites | you can create a virtual environment and use pip to update itself in that environment. |
| 23:07.36 | joze | ha! |
| 23:07.54 | bites | but not system-wide |
| 23:08.00 | abrotman | bolovanos: isn't there a pip install pip ? |
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| 23:08.34 | cr1t1cal | why is there no alsa-base package in debian 9 |
| 23:08.41 | cr1t1cal | i am using testing version (buster) |
| 23:08.52 | abrotman | why are you still on wheezy? |
| 23:09.06 | cr1t1cal | abrotman: i am not on wheezy |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | not you .. bolovanos |
| 23:09.18 | cr1t1cal | oh okay |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | judd: versions alsa-base |
| 23:09.19 | judd | Package: alsa-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.27+1 |
| 23:09.20 | cr1t1cal | sorry |
| 23:09.31 | cr1t1cal | yeah |
| 23:09.33 | cr1t1cal | but not on buster |
| 23:09.36 | cr1t1cal | or stretch |
| 23:09.39 | cr1t1cal | why? |
| 23:09.40 | bites | alsa-base hassn't been used since wheezy |
| 23:09.59 | abrotman | judd: versions alsa-utils |
| 23:10.00 | judd | Package: alsa-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25-4; jessie: 1.0.28-1; buster: 1.1.3-1; sid: 1.1.3-1; stretch: 1.1.3-1 |
| 23:10.02 | abrotman | better? |
| 23:10.07 | cr1t1cal | yes why is that? i can't install it. I dont even have the 'alsa' command |
| 23:10.22 | cr1t1cal | 'sudo alsa force-reload' does not work for me anymore on buster |
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| 23:10.37 | abrotman | did you install alsa-utils ? |
| 23:10.41 | cr1t1cal | abrotman: yes |
| 23:10.44 | cr1t1cal | i have alsa-utils |
| 23:10.51 | cr1t1cal | but not the core |
| 23:10.54 | cr1t1cal | alsa-base |
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| 23:11.50 | bolovanos | abrotman, ;( I was hoping for a while... |
| 23:12.02 | abrotman | is it alsactl now ? (i haven't used direct alsa commands in a while) |
| 23:12.10 | cr1t1cal | i dunno |
| 23:12.17 | cr1t1cal | alsactl doesn't have a force reload |
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| 23:12.33 | bites | you can do pip install --upgrade pip but not system-wide. get a virtualenv |
| 23:12.35 | bolovanos | btw - q2 - upgrading from wheezy directly to sarge - is it possible / advisable? |
| 23:12.54 | abrotman | you mean to stretch, I hope |
| 23:12.55 | cr1t1cal | abrotman: my question had to do with why alsa-base is not included |
| 23:12.55 | annadane | sarge is not after wheezy |
| 23:13.12 | abrotman | and no, go to jessie, then stretch |
| 23:13.15 | annadane | if you mean stretch, upgrade to jessie first and then stretch |
| 23:13.21 | abrotman | cr1t1cal: I assume the maintainers found it to be unneeded |
| 23:13.32 | cr1t1cal | abrotman: why? |
| 23:13.37 | cr1t1cal | abrotman: how can I force reload alsa? |
| 23:13.45 | abrotman | I'd imagine there's a some docs in /usr/share/doc/alsa* |
| 23:15.15 | abrotman | or maybe even in libasound2 |
| 23:15.49 | cr1t1cal | libasound2 is also installed |
| 23:15.53 | cr1t1cal | abrotman: i mean alsa works |
| 23:15.58 | cr1t1cal | sorry not alsa |
| 23:16.00 | bolovanos | abrotman, yes stretch |
| 23:16.00 | cr1t1cal | SOUND works |
| 23:16.02 | cr1t1cal | on my computer |
| 23:16.14 | bolovanos | abrotman, ok thx - this will be long night :/ |
| 23:16.24 | cr1t1cal | HOWEVER, if I lets say unplug an audio device and replug the system wont detect. hot plug doesnt work. I need to reboot |
| 23:16.32 | cr1t1cal | normally I would just 'sudo alsa force-reload' |
| 23:16.40 | cr1t1cal | but my system doesn't have that command. |
| 23:17.59 | velix | Sorry for asking, which key is ^] ? |
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| 23:18.58 | cr1t1cal | abrotman: so you don't know? |
| 23:19.07 | cr1t1cal | abrotman: there are no docs |
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| 23:20.08 | abrotman | I was trying to look at the alsa-project.org docs |
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| 23:20.44 | abrotman | There's also #alsa you could ask |
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| 23:31.33 | fuby | hello, i did a fresh install of strech with gnome a new pc. everything seems to work except my sound. i read the wiki but, i have no clue where to start |
| 23:32.20 | fuby | its a headphone plugged into the front of the pc casing btw. i have no speakers |
| 23:32.27 | somiaj | fuby: gnome should be using pulseaudio, so first type 'groups' and make sure you are in the audio group, second install pavucontrol and this is a desktop independent tool to configure pulse. See if it lists your soundcard |
| 23:32.47 | fuby | thanks i will try that |
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| 23:35.29 | fuby | looks like it see my card |
| 23:36.02 | bites | make sure it's not muted, the right output device is selected and the levels are up. |
| 23:36.32 | fuby | i have |
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| 23:37.34 | fuby | nothing |
| 23:37.50 | fuby | i have looked at alsamixer all things seem up and not muted |
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| 23:39.40 | bites | can you plug your headphones into the back of your pc and try again? |
| 23:41.52 | bites | do you see the level indicator in pulseaudio moving around when sound is playing? |
| 23:42.28 | bites | in pavucontrol i mean |
| 23:42.59 | fuby | ok so connecting directly on the motherboard works |
| 23:43.16 | fuby | now i have to figure out why the front does not work |
| 23:43.20 | bites | check the front panel audio connector on your motherboard, then. |
| 23:43.38 | fuby | i did it work on another os |
| 23:44.57 | fuby | dont ask me why |
| 23:45.02 | fuby | but it work in the front now too xd |
| 23:45.18 | fuby | thanks somiaj thanks bites |
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| 23:46.34 | fuby | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 23:46.37 | fuby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:46.48 | fuby | what does the * behind the package mean? |
| 23:48.52 | RoyK | doesn't matter |
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| 23:51.41 | fuby | well it must mean something |
| 23:53.14 | bites | means packages starting with libcurl3 in the name. see: dpkg -l libcurl3* |
| 23:53.27 | fuby | aaa yes ofcourse |
| 23:53.35 | hypn0 | isn it a wildcard, meaning more than 1 package |
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