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| 00:01.54 | simbalion | Hi I just rebooted and xwindows cannot detect my displays correctly and is using default resolutions. I haven't changed anything on my system since the last reboot. nvidia drivers are still installed |
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| 00:06.26 | iWaldo | i've added sid to the main deb and deb-src lines in .list and update returns "Unable to find expected entry 'sid/sources/Sources' in Release file[...]". i don't anticipate needing the source for the only thing i'm planning on getting from sid (firefox) but am still curious as to what i've done wrong |
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| 00:13.37 | coruja | iWaldo, if you don't know what you are doing (concerning mixing releases) you'll end up with a frankendebian |
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| 00:18.37 | simbalion | How do I see what packages are held? |
| 00:19.17 | simbalion | apt-get refuses to update nvidia-driver because of dependencies which shouldn't be happening |
| 00:23.34 | iWaldo | @coruja, i've used *nix for years and have already made sure that the repos are pinned such that i don't get sid stuff if i do a dist-upgrade. not a super-pro but i've been cautious enough to check what dist-upgrade --assume-no does when i comment and uncomment various lines in the preferences file and everything seems to check out (no new updates if i pin in the correct order and a decent amount of them if i give it the switcheroo) |
| 00:24.33 | themill | simbalion: I assume you mean "upgrade" not "update"; that's normally a symptom of needing a dist-upgrade (or that you should use apt upgrade) |
| 00:25.12 | iWaldo | tbh it's been a year or two since i used debian (or any distro) much at all--but i don't ever recall getting an error message in when apt-get update'ing by adding "sid" to that line of sources.list |
| 00:25.17 | simbalion | Something is very broken, and I'm not sure if it's my system or debian |
| 00:25.31 | simbalion | Nvidia can't upgrade because of a bunch of broken dependencies |
| 00:26.56 | simbalion | but knowing nvidia I think it's possible it could be nvidia's driver package |
| 00:28.00 | coruja | iWaldo, adding a release to a line in sources.list won't work (and never did) but you need a new line for each release |
| 00:28.11 | iWaldo | @coruja, unless by frankenbuild you're referring to the idea that i might end up breaking my system by installing firefox and the (current) sid dependencies and not taking care to stay on top of which dependencies move from stable to sid as FF (sid version) evolves--in which case you might be right |
| 00:28.29 | metastable | iWaldo: That's the definition of Frankendebian. |
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| 00:31.37 | iWaldo | you guys are right--i shouldn't try to get FF from sid while leaving the rest of the build in stretch |
| 00:31.42 | iWaldo | thanks for the sobriety |
| 00:33.22 | coruja | iWaldo, you may download recent firefox from their homepage and install it e.g. into your home dir |
| 00:33.38 | iWaldo | i was just about to ask whether that would be the way to go |
| 00:33.48 | iWaldo | good anticipation |
| 00:35.29 | iWaldo | any reason to install to ~ rather than to /opt? i remeber that mathematica would install itself to /opt when i had to use it |
| 00:35.42 | simbalion | it's pretty depressing when stable sh**s the bed |
| 00:37.40 | simbalion | How can I see what packages are in a state of "Held back"? |
| 00:37.41 | coruja | iWaldo, it's just an archived binary package so you may install it wherever you want to |
| 00:38.43 | simbalion | I would really appreciate some help because it's quite broken. |
| 00:39.12 | simbalion | can't install gnome, or a dozen other standard things anymore because of dependency problems caused by packages being held back that should have been upgraded |
| 00:40.31 | coruja | simbalion, what about showing a paste of apt's output? |
| 00:40.38 | iWaldo | @coruja, assumed so--thanks. just a little surprised to hear the suggestion for home since professional 3rd party installers seem to use opt (iirc that is where non-distro stuff is meant to be installed according to the LFSH) |
| 00:42.18 | iWaldo | ah yes i just checked--the vbox guest stuff is there |
| 00:42.41 | iWaldo | hadn't even looked at it until now. thanks for stopping me from frankensteining |
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| 00:45.49 | themill | simbalion: actually showing us output would help. And did you try a dist-upgrade as suggested? |
| 00:45.53 | simbalion | coruja, I wouldn't know where to start |
| 00:46.09 | simbalion | themill: That is used for upgrading major version yes? Which I did when 9 came out. |
| 00:46.13 | themill | no |
| 00:46.31 | iWaldo | gotta switch repos to switch major |
| 00:46.56 | awal1 | what is the factoid for verify deps meting with judd? |
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| 00:47.35 | themill | awal1: 'checkinstall' |
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| 00:47.55 | awal1 | themill, thanks |
| 00:48.00 | simbalion | I've got most of it fixed but the nvidia-driver is still broken |
| 00:48.21 | simbalion | dist-upgrade says 0 packages |
| 00:48.40 | simbalion | nvidia-driver says nvidia-driver-libs won't install, and then it's a pyramid of broken dependencies |
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| 00:49.28 | simbalion | Since these things WOULD install if they weren't broken, apt-get should be capable of providing the precise point of failure. Why does it start reporting at the top instead of the bottom where the real failure happens |
| 00:50.40 | awal1 | any pkg for check manuals of UNinstalled pkgs? |
| 00:50.43 | themill | real output in a pastebin please |
| 00:51.07 | awal1 | not sure if apt-file helps on that? |
| 00:51.14 | simbalion | and there are broken dependencies which have no installation candidates |
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| 00:51.35 | simbalion | themill: happy to, for which packages? |
| 00:51.46 | themill | your apt run |
| 00:53.15 | simbalion | Okay sure, here's a paste of my most recent attempt and the output: https://hastebin.com/raw/umuqezuwaf |
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| 00:53.49 | awal1 | or any sugegstion about how to query https://manpages.debian.org/ via cli via wget or similar utilities a specific manual? |
| 00:54.03 | simbalion | It looks like the latest version of nvidia-driver depends on things that haven't been updated in stable yet |
| 00:54.06 | simbalion | so, broken package |
| 00:54.42 | themill | Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 00:55.33 | simbalion | Sure! https://hastebin.com/raw/ohivoqaquq |
| 00:56.46 | themill | egads what a mess |
| 00:57.29 | simbalion | It's a 2 year old system, has been upgraded at least once |
| 00:58.04 | themill | age doesn't make mess like that |
| 00:58.48 | coruja | looks like a fine frankendebian ;) |
| 00:58.54 | simbalion | Yes I suppose that's true, if a PC sits unused in a corner for 2 years it probably looks pristine |
| 00:59.09 | themill | no |
| 00:59.30 | simbalion | No? It would accrue mess while being unused? |
| 00:59.37 | themill | That's just straight misconfiguration |
| 01:00.00 | simbalion | Well you're going to have to be specific by what you mean when you say "that" because otherwise your statement is too vague |
| 01:00.25 | themill | You don't get to complain that dependencies are broken when you're mixing a bazillion different releases and your pinning is buggy |
| 01:00.36 | simbalion | I'm not mixing any releases. I'm using stretch |
| 01:00.42 | themill | not true |
| 01:00.46 | simbalion | Except it is true |
| 01:01.05 | coruja | hard to say if there is a chance to make this to a stable debian again |
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| 01:01.10 | simbalion | I bet you're talking about the webmin policies, well webmin isn't debian and just cause they put 'sarge' in their repo name doesn't mean anything at all |
| 01:01.12 | themill | *shrug* your sources.list and pinning is the cause of your problem. Feel free to fix it |
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| 01:01.37 | simbalion | Also, none of the dependencies that nvidia-driver relies on is pulling from the webmin repo |
| 01:01.42 | coruja | startin with a clean and lean sources.list |
| 01:01.46 | coruja | +g |
| 01:01.47 | simbalion | So no, that is not the source of the problem |
| 01:03.07 | themill | webmin is not the cause of this problem, your other misconfiguration is |
| 01:03.13 | simbalion | This is my sources.list: https://hastebin.com/raw/uquhujavad what's wrong with it? |
| 01:03.29 | themill | you should look in sources.list.d |
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| 01:04.38 | themill | mixing stable, testing and unstable is not a supportable configuration. You can get it to work if you show a lot of care and get the pinning configuration correct; you have not. |
| 01:04.42 | coruja | and at preferences and preferences.d |
| 01:04.47 | simbalion | Okay I will clear everything out of there and see if that fixes it |
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| 01:04.53 | simbalion | My bet is no. |
| 01:05.05 | themill | Your pinning for stretch-updates is the problem |
| 01:05.11 | themill | well, one part of the problem |
| 01:05.14 | simbalion | because nvidia-driver doesn't pull it's dependencies from steam or ansible or whatever |
| 01:05.20 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 01:07.00 | simbalion | themill: so stretch-updates should be removed? |
| 01:07.44 | simbalion | nvidia-driver still doesn't install |
| 01:07.50 | coruja | simbalion, and pls don't blame debian for errors caused by users'/admins' misconfiguration |
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| 01:07.57 | simbalion | what's in preferences and preferences.d? I've never changed anything in there |
| 01:08.04 | simbalion | coruja: My configuration is fine |
| 01:08.09 | coruja | lol |
| 01:08.12 | coruja | ok |
| 01:08.52 | themill | Please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt upgrade" |
| 01:08.54 | simbalion | coruja: All of the stuff you guys were talking about were third-party software package repos, _none_ of which have anything at all to do with nvidia-drivers |
| 01:09.11 | themill | except this is not about the 3rd party repos |
| 01:09.15 | simbalion | So "don't blame debian" is insane. Either the packages are broken or the package system is broken if adding third party repos destroys it |
| 01:09.21 | coruja | simbalion, but you also mix and pin different debian releases |
| 01:09.23 | simbalion | And I wasn't blaming debian, I was blaming nvidia |
| 01:09.42 | simbalion | coruja: No, I upgraded from jessie to stretch and changed everything to stretch |
| 01:09.47 | simbalion | there was zero mixing |
| 01:09.49 | themill | no, you didn't |
| 01:09.52 | simbalion | okay whatever |
| 01:10.01 | themill | that is evident from your output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 01:10.19 | coruja | 650 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 Packages |
| 01:10.32 | simbalion | themill: And yet you refused to point out exactly what you're talking about |
| 01:10.34 | themill | there's a very simple reason I wanted to see that -- it showed me that you've got a mess of different repositories configured and that they pinning is misconfigured |
| 01:10.37 | themill | has |
| 01:10.41 | simbalion | so either you're blowing hot air or you're keeping it to yourself so you can feel supperior |
| 01:10.48 | themill | [12:05] <themill> Your pinning for stretch-updates is the problem |
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| 01:10.58 | simbalion | themill: I fixed that, and it did not fix the problem. |
| 01:11.12 | themill | so you've pastebinned new output for us to see? |
| 01:11.20 | themill | [12:08] <themill> Please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt upgrade" |
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| 01:12.33 | pos | has debian released images for the rpi now that the hardfloat situation is no more? |
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| 01:13.43 | mickey | am I allowed to ask questions here if I'm running buster now? |
| 01:13.48 | simbalion | themill: You know what I love? I love all the people on freenode who selflessly spend their time helping other people without any promise of reward or payment. You know what I hate? All the people who use this opportunity to push people into the dirt and make themselves feel like kings of the tech world. One is good, and the other is disgusting. |
| 01:14.05 | simbalion | and I had overlooked your second request for a paste, because I was being spammed by "No you're wrong" |
| 01:14.13 | themill | simbalion: I'm still hoping to see some output |
| 01:14.24 | metastable | simbalion: Calm down. |
| 01:14.51 | simbalion | metastable: Sometimes it needs to be said, and when it never needs to be said anymore surely people will stop saying it, myself included. |
| 01:14.59 | simbalion | appreciate the help, thanks. |
| 01:15.04 | themill | pos: I believe that the buster kernel and some hardware specific firmware are required |
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| 01:15.33 | themill | simbalion: I'm happy to be wrong that it is just your pinning of stretch-updates that is the problem and to look further. I need to see output. |
| 01:15.53 | themill | ESP over IRC is not something I've yet perfected. |
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| 01:23.17 | wigums | themill, dude |
| 01:23.50 | themill | g'day |
| 01:24.23 | wigums | i guess thats my answer |
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| 01:36.18 | iWaldo | @coruja, i tried to install the latest firefox from moz's ftp and it failed. i didn't dig and tried to install it from stable's repo and it still wouldn't open. i ran it from a terminal and the error i received was something re: can't connect to host, make sure your VM's 3d accel is enabled (it is). i tried out chromium to see if something similar happened and chromium worked fine. |
| 01:36.28 | iWaldo | can reinstall firefox from stable repo if you want more info |
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| 01:37.17 | iWaldo | also--went back to a clean VM snapshot before trying the official firefox from the repos to make sure everything was alright |
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| 01:42.10 | coruja | iWaldo, just unpack the bz2 file to somewhere (nothing to install actually) and run the firefox executable |
| 01:42.42 | iWaldo | i basically did--unpacked to /opt/something and linked in /usr/bin and then ran the link |
| 01:43.07 | iWaldo | it failed to run and so i figued i'd try the native stable debian version and the same thing happened |
| 01:43.31 | iWaldo | same failure and that struck me as weird so i ran it from a terminal and that's when i got the message re: make sure VM's 3d accel is on |
| 01:43.33 | coruja | then it may be rather a vm issue |
| 01:44.01 | iWaldo | right--i figured so and then did a quick overall check by installing chromium and it worked fine |
| 01:44.25 | iWaldo | will try iceweasel next maybe |
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| 01:45.21 | iWaldo | just did--same behavior as FF |
| 01:46.07 | iWaldo | OpenGL Warning: Failed to connect to host. Make sure 3D acceleration is enabled for this VM. |
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| 01:48.52 | iWaldo_ | appears that firefox is more correct--chromium can install but not display 3D |
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| 01:54.05 | iWaldo_ | alright--problem is with the additions bundled with vbox 5.2.6--you're right again coruja |
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| 02:06.15 | awal1 | Is it "normal/know yet" the fact that is aptitude acts a bit slower doing stuff than apt/apt-get or it is just my system? |
| 02:06.35 | awal1 | well, just a matter of a few seconds but curious about that |
| 02:06.46 | Sveta | depends on what it is doing |
| 02:06.55 | themill | yes, aptitude is slower, particularly in startup |
| 02:07.43 | awal1 | cli mode, well, slower in everything vs apt's |
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| 02:10.45 | awal1 | "aptitude -f install" for example takes almost same time or a bit more that the whole "apt-get -f install && apt-get --purge autoremove && apt-get check && apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean" |
| 02:11.03 | awal1 | more than the |
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| 02:12.53 | somiaj | !why not aptitude |
| 02:12.53 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 02:13.22 | somiaj | It is known that aptitude is slower. |
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| 02:19.07 | awal1 | if aptitude purge ~o list pkgs A,B,C and D as obsoletes and wants to purge them but I want to keep pkgD, what happens with "aptitude purge ~o pkgD+" action? In this situation, + will reinstall pkgD or just prevents aptitude from removing that pkgD? |
| 02:20.28 | awal1 | in fact my goal is find out how I to tell aptitude purge A,B and C but preserve D |
| 02:22.02 | BenNZ | awal1: if package D depends on A, B or C then you cant |
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| 02:23.33 | awal1 | BenNZ, I know that yeah; but in fact D is usually an old linux version I sometimes need |
| 02:23.46 | awal1 | I should have specified that previously |
| 02:24.52 | BenNZ | awal1: yeah not easy to help when someone is vague |
| 02:24.54 | somiaj | you would have to find ways to refine the search list, ~o matches all obselete packages, but you can add logic to exclude packages from teh search list. |
| 02:25.06 | somiaj | but if the list is only a few, just manually remove them and don't have ~o remove them for you. |
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| 02:26.31 | awal1 | I have to re-check 'search' action doc closely |
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| 02:36.17 | themill | awal1: the ":" operator might be better than "+" there |
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| 02:47.50 | awal1 | themill, will check that. thanks |
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| 03:17.32 | bolovanos | hithere |
| 03:18.23 | bolovanos | anyone alive? Stretch fail2ban -> ExecStart=/usr/bin/fail2ban-client -x start (code=exited, status=255) |
| 03:18.41 | bolovanos | found this so far https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=874071 |
| 03:18.42 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/874071 in fail2ban (open): «fail2ban: Fails to start after Jessie to Stretch upgrade due to sshd being enabled in /etc/fail2ban/jail.d/defaults-debian.conf»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-09-02; last modified: 2017-12-29. |
| 03:19.24 | bolovanos | but there is no solution? |
| 03:19.48 | bolovanos | tried to remove / autoremove / purge - still same problem |
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| 03:22.06 | somiaj | bolovanos: the bug report gives a solution, disable the jail fixed the problem according the that bug report. |
| 03:25.55 | bolovanos | somiaj, forgot to mention two things. 1) tested that "solution" enabled = false |
| 03:25.55 | bolovanos | , same error, 2) do not know what that solution exactly mean in context of f2b functionality... |
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| 03:27.47 | somiaj | I would just comment out everything in that file, so it does nothing. |
| 03:28.20 | somiaj | or move the config file out of the way, see if that helps. Also try to get more output on the actual error stopping it from running |
| 03:28.35 | bolovanos | yes |
| 03:28.52 | bolovanos | commentigh whole file does not work either |
| 03:29.09 | bolovanos | sec for moving |
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| 03:30.28 | bolovanos | bash: /etc/fail2ban/jail.d/defaults-debian.conf: Permission denied |
| 03:30.28 | bolovanos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:33.07 | somiaj | hmm, guess it needs that file there. I would just leave it as a blank file in that case. |
| 03:33.28 | bolovanos | https://pastebin.com/9syPGs9W |
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| 03:35.05 | bolovanos | empty file changed nothing :/ |
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| 03:39.42 | bolovanos | btw - https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=191318 - last comment - I wish i were that happy |
| 03:40.16 | somiaj | bolovanos: try to run it directly, /usr/bin/fail2ban-client -x start, see if you get some errors. |
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| 03:47.24 | bolovanos | somiaj, nice intuition practice... [line 120]: option 'port' in section 'pam-generic' already exists |
| 03:47.37 | bolovanos | up and running |
| 03:48.19 | bolovanos | somiaj, thank you!! |
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| 04:59.59 | roue | hola |
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| 05:00.23 | roue | I'm trying to confgure exim with smart host (for my laptop) and having no luck. |
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| 05:01.38 | roue | I need outgoing email from my local account to be readdressed as coming from a different account ( my work email address ). And I'd like to figure out how to have some outbound email go through my work smrt server and some go through gmail ( personal mail). |
| 05:01.41 | qman__ | try postfix instead |
| 05:01.48 | roue | The exim docs are somewhat impenetrable. |
| 05:02.02 | roue | qman__ thanks. I'll take a look at it. |
| 05:02.35 | qman__ | in my opinion, the configuration is clearer, the documentation is better, and it has a lot more options |
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| 05:03.21 | roue | I'm been a bit frustrated with the exim docs. |
| 05:03.51 | roue | They're comprehensive as a reference but there's so much to it that if you don't already know what you're trying to do it's easy to get lost. |
| 05:04.55 | qman__ | postfix is pretty complex but it does have several sane default configs for different setups |
| 05:05.03 | qman__ | if you want something simpler, you might try msmtp |
| 05:05.57 | qman__ | it's desgined to basically just be a forwarder to a smart host |
| 05:05.57 | roue | I don't mind complex so long as the documentation is novice friendly. Starting to dig in now. Thank you. |
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| 06:39.17 | jim | hi... I installed supercollider, which installed some deps... then I did dpkg -L supercollider to find the name of the executable for it, and found that the supercollider package doesn't have anything besides very basic docs, authors, changelog and copyright... where should I go from here, to find out what the "main" executable is, which package has it, is it installed and what's its name? |
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| 06:42.48 | azonenberg | Hi guys, having a weird issue on a new Stretch system regarding shared libraries |
| 06:44.01 | jim | azonenberg, what issue is that? (feel free to include as many informative details as you want) |
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| 06:45.03 | alkisg | jim, you can see the dependencies either with apt show supercollider, or from https://packages.debian.org/stretch/supercollider |
| 06:45.28 | alkisg | jim, then you can see the executables of the dependencies from e.g. https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/supercollider-ide/filelist => /usr/bin/scide |
| 06:45.41 | alkisg | or from https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/supercollider-server/filelist => /usr/bin/scsynth |
| 06:46.11 | jim | let me try that... thanks :) |
| 06:46.32 | azonenberg | jim: whoops, got pulled off into another window |
| 06:46.46 | azonenberg | so, i'm trying to link against a binary .deb package provided in by a hardware vendor's SDK |
| 06:47.27 | azonenberg | I ldconfig'd |
| 06:47.41 | azonenberg | the libraries are the right file type (ELF 64 bit x86) |
| 06:47.42 | jim | you're trying to build something I take it? |
| 06:47.53 | azonenberg | yes, i'm doing a simple test compiling an empty main function with -lfoobar |
| 06:47.57 | azonenberg | and it says it can't find it |
| 06:48.06 | azonenberg | looking in the lib directory now to check if the symlinks are OK |
| 06:48.44 | jim | ok... so in debian, the libs are separated into at least two parts (let's say we're talking about a fake lib called libfoo): |
| 06:49.09 | jim | there might be a package called libfoo, which contains the runtime part |
| 06:49.34 | azonenberg | This vendor has a tar.gz with the headers (no -dev package availble) |
| 06:49.38 | azonenberg | and a deb with the runtime libraries |
| 06:49.45 | jim | and there might be a package called libfoo-dev, which contains the compile time part (which includes the headers) |
| 06:49.58 | azonenberg | If i look in /usr/lib64/digilent/adept/ i see libdjtg.so and libdjtg.so.2 |
| 06:50.05 | azonenberg | both symlinked to libdjtg.so.2.12.5 |
| 06:50.22 | jim | oh, are you building a library from source to start with? |
| 06:50.59 | azonenberg | I'm building an empty main function against their binary-blob library |
| 06:51.06 | azonenberg | And g++ cant find it |
| 06:52.33 | jim | gimme a sec |
| 06:53.58 | jim | ok, |
| 06:54.08 | jim | how did you get the lib? |
| 06:54.11 | azonenberg | There is also a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d with a line pointing to /usr/lib64/digilent/adept/ |
| 06:54.17 | azonenberg | So ld should be looking for it |
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| 06:54.26 | azonenberg | The lib came in a binary blob .deb from a hardware vendor |
| 06:54.32 | jim | (please repeat if you already said, and sorry about that) |
| 06:54.56 | azonenberg | Google "digilent adept sdk linux" and it's like the second hit (on store.digilentinc.com) |
| 06:55.38 | azonenberg | Something is messed up about the package, i'm quite sure |
| 06:55.41 | jim | hmm... it should have headers and stuff like that, so you can #include them |
| 06:55.45 | azonenberg | i had this issue years ago on another machine and eventually fixed it |
| 06:55.51 | azonenberg | but i cant remember how |
| 06:56.01 | jim | with the exact same libs? |
| 06:56.08 | azonenberg | previous version of the same package |
| 06:56.14 | azonenberg | i've been using debian and debian-based distros for like ten years now and this one package has always given me grief |
| 06:56.16 | jim | oh ok |
| 06:56.26 | azonenberg | But i'm not here to fix the vendor's packaging |
| 06:56.29 | azonenberg | i just need to get my code working |
| 06:56.34 | azonenberg | i have $14,000 of client hardware on my desk that i can't talk to :p |
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| 06:58.33 | jim | yeah me too,.,, and to be honest I'm not sure how to help you... it's good that I asked you to supply info about the whole situation, so someone else can handle it... but, without the compiletime libs and headers, I'm not sure what to do... maybe they're included in the package you installed... |
| 06:58.50 | jim | there's a way to find out what's in it |
| 06:59.21 | jim | what you need first, is a way to determine the packagename from the .deb filename |
| 07:00.09 | azonenberg | you're missing the point :) |
| 07:00.14 | jim | if you start from the leftmost char of the filename, and go to the right accumulating chars until and not including the first _ char, that's the packagename |
| 07:00.23 | azonenberg | I have the package name and the deb file name |
| 07:00.24 | azonenberg | It's installed |
| 07:00.32 | jim | understood |
| 07:00.33 | azonenberg | I have the headers, they're installed from a separate tarball |
| 07:00.44 | azonenberg | i confirmed they're in the right location but that's a moot point because i'm not using headers |
| 07:00.53 | jim | oh, you do have the headers... |
| 07:01.12 | azonenberg | i'm compiling echo "int main() {return 0; }" > foo.c; g++ -ldjtg foo.c |
| 07:01.22 | azonenberg | and i get an error that it can't find libdjtg |
| 07:01.33 | azonenberg | Which exists on my system, and ld.so.conf.d has an entry pointing to that directory |
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| 07:01.41 | azonenberg | Something is borked somewhere and i cant figure out what |
| 07:01.45 | jim | maybe you can include a -I /that/dir/with/the/includes in the CFLAGS var of your makefile |
| 07:01.55 | azonenberg | again, this is a linker issue |
| 07:02.01 | azonenberg | i'm compiling an empty main with no #includes |
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| 07:02.21 | azonenberg | The question is why GNU ld is not finding a .so that appears to be in the right spot |
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| 07:03.48 | jim | if you're compiling an empty main(), there's no calls in it, so there wouldn't be unresolved names... having said that, your link step, if to libfoo, would be -lfoo |
| 07:03.58 | jim | and you can specify the lib dir with -L |
| 07:04.11 | azonenberg | Yes, I know i can explicitly find the lib with -L |
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| 07:04.33 | azonenberg | But the build system i'm using has no way to do that, it expects libs to be in standard search paths |
| 07:04.47 | jim | could you show the name of the libfile, and the full path to it? |
| 07:04.47 | azonenberg | Which this *appears* to be |
| 07:05.32 | azonenberg | /usr/lib64/digilent/adept/libdjtg.so.2.12.5 |
| 07:05.59 | azonenberg | I'm suspecting they created the package for red hat or something and blindly deb-ified it but it's going in the wrong spot |
| 07:06.43 | jim | ok, then you could specify -L /usr/lib64/digilent/adept -l djtg |
| 07:07.19 | azonenberg | Yes, and if i do that it works - but the actual project uses a complex build system that doesnt let you -L |
| 07:07.39 | azonenberg | Wonder if manually moving the files into /usr/lib will work :p |
| 07:08.01 | jim | that's weird :) I definitely don't know how to help with that :) |
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| 07:08.22 | jim | howbout copying them there? |
| 07:08.52 | jim | and after you do that, run ldconfig -v |
| 07:09.42 | jim | (that is copying instead of moving) |
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| 07:11.22 | azonenberg | Copied and ldconfig'd, now i have a symlink for the version but not the base |
| 07:11.24 | CrazyTux | hello, which Debian derivative is most suitable for beginners? something that is super easy to install and operate? |
| 07:11.27 | azonenberg | i.e. libdjtg.so.2 but not libdjtg.so |
| 07:11.33 | azonenberg | i wonder if it'll work if i make that by hand |
| 07:11.38 | azonenberg | (shouldn't ldconfig have done that?) |
| 07:12.34 | alkisg | CrazyTux: haha, you've been asking and chatting about that for months now, haven't you tried 20 distros already in that time?:D |
| 07:13.51 | CrazyTux | alkisg, yes. I have tried a few. Have been using some well known distros. Experiencing some issues like random freezing while using those popular distros. |
| 07:14.20 | alkisg | CrazyTux: in general, distros are not that important. If the kernel or xorg have freezing issues, it will appear in all distros. |
| 07:14.35 | jim | CrazyTux, people here don't know other derivatives... (well maybe a few do), but if they do, that would mean that they spent more time learning the other one... also, there's trust issues... while the derivs use the same package manager, people here won/'t know the massive amount of changes there could potentially be on the packages of other dists |
| 07:14.39 | alkisg | So don't spend too much time selecting a distro. |
| 07:14.57 | azonenberg | fwiw i left ubuntu for vanilla debian |
| 07:14.58 | jim | too late :) |
| 07:15.18 | azonenberg | they tried to be osx and failed hard (plus if i wanted osx i'd have bought a mac) |
| 07:15.29 | CrazyTux | just yesterday, I was using Ubuntu Mate 16.04.3. The OS stopped responding suddenly. All the work that I did couldn't be saved. |
| 07:15.41 | jim | it's been months and months, he's still wondering :) |
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| 07:16.12 | CrazyTux | jim, I persisted with a few distros like Ubuntu Mate for almost a year now. |
| 07:16.24 | alkisg | CrazyTux: right, that's one example where the distro doesn't matter. Freezes are usually caused lower level, not at the desktop environment level. |
| 07:16.27 | CrazyTux | despite those random freezing issues. |
| 07:17.09 | sach | Debian++, 90% of the time works everytime |
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| 07:17.44 | jim | yes I know... and, (again, I'm telling you) what you need to be doing is learning linux itself from a fairly stable dist |
| 07:18.14 | CrazyTux | ok. Which DE is more suitable, more intuitive for a beginner in Debian? |
| 07:18.30 | alkisg | You tried them all, you tell us :) |
| 07:18.34 | jim | CrazyTux, I don't even know :) |
| 07:18.40 | CrazyTux | I should be able to do most of the tasks through GUI. |
| 07:18.50 | sach | _most_ |
| 07:19.04 | sach | Go gnome/xfce/kde |
| 07:19.10 | CrazyTux | because I am not the only person who uses this computer. |
| 07:19.21 | jim | I kinda like kde, but I dunno if it satisfies your criteria |
| 07:19.55 | sach | XFCE if your computer is old/you're old/like the Windows UX, KDE if you like buttons and menus, Gnome if you .. enjoy having PTSD |
| 07:19.57 | CrazyTux | jim, suppose the user has been using Windows and wants to try Debian stable. |
| 07:20.17 | jim | maybe try kde |
| 07:20.39 | sach | Jokes aside, they're all fine |
| 07:20.46 | jim | it's very big, but it's also pretty understandable from a win pov |
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| 07:21.11 | CrazyTux | jim, big? in what sense? |
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| 07:21.25 | jim | size :) |
| 07:21.28 | azonenberg | CrazyTux: XFCE is lightweight, simple, and has kind of a "classic windows 2000" look/feel to it |
| 07:21.30 | azonenberg | runs on almost anything |
| 07:21.32 | azonenberg | no frills |
| 07:21.34 | azonenberg | But also not a lot of features |
| 07:21.44 | azonenberg | i used it after gnome3 went, well... gnome3 |
| 07:21.52 | azonenberg | (had been a gnome2 user until then) |
| 07:22.11 | CrazyTux | would installing Debian stable KDE and just to try installing xfce on it create any problems? |
| 07:23.25 | jim | the two DEs can coexist, and you can pick which one when you login |
| 07:23.47 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:24.09 | sach | apt install gnome kde xfe mate lxde, logout and use one at a time |
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| 07:24.27 | CrazyTux | how is Debian vis a vis OpenSuse Leap, in my use case? |
| 07:24.30 | alkisg | likes that CrazyTux has already tried multiple DEs _and_ foudn issues with that and he is still asking about it :) |
| 07:24.45 | alkisg | It's like he's doing polls on what the users think :D |
| 07:24.53 | sach | In two channels mind you |
| 07:25.03 | sach | ##linux included |
| 07:25.23 | alkisg | Maybe it's his way of enjoying the morning coffee... |
| 07:25.53 | CrazyTux | alkisg, it's only because yesterday I had Ubuntu freeze multiple times. Otherwise I had decided never to ask such things. |
| 07:26.07 | alkisg | CrazyTux: the software freezes, not distros |
| 07:26.14 | alkisg | So you'll get the same in all distros |
| 07:26.19 | alkisg | Distro hunting won't help you with that |
| 07:26.28 | awal1 | CrazyTux, what are you expecting to hear here? |
| 07:26.29 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:26.45 | alkisg | Distros may help you report a freezing bug more properly |
| 07:26.53 | awal1 | alkisg, not really true |
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| 07:27.14 | alkisg | E.g. Ubuntu may have custom kernel patches, so you'd need to test with the vanilla kernel in order to know where to report the bug |
| 07:27.27 | alkisg | awal1: I've yet to see a freezing issue that was distro-specific |
| 07:27.37 | awal1 | i used ubuntu in the past and software instability is constant |
| 07:27.39 | alkisg | And I've seen hundreds of them |
| 07:28.12 | alkisg | Of course. The kernel itself constantly introduces new regressions, instability is constant |
| 07:28.30 | alkisg | But not distro-specific. Now, if the distro doesn't update the kernel, it's more stable. But that's not a distro bug. |
| 07:28.32 | awal1 | freezeing issue have never happened for me running debian stable |
| 07:28.49 | awal1 | but yeah, i sometimes experiment that under sid |
| 07:29.02 | alkisg | You're just lucky, or don't have thousands of pcs to maintain... :) |
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| 07:29.13 | awal1 | so, distro/branch matters |
| 07:29.41 | alkisg | If you can point me to a single freezing bug that is distro-specific, e.g. under the debian/patches dir, I'll accept that. But only then. |
| 07:29.42 | awal1 | well, sometimes i have freeze bcoz of X buggy |
| 07:30.01 | themill | suspects this is a long way from debian user support |
| 07:30.38 | awal1 | alkisg, this https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93164 make my system freeze , example |
| 07:31.13 | awal1 | doesn't affect stable |
| 07:31.37 | alkisg | awal1: I don't see anything distro-specific there. Xorg version specific, sure, but not distro specific. |
| 07:32.11 | awal1 | well, my meaning is that ubuntu always have buggy software, so almost unstable |
| 07:32.46 | alkisg | That statement would only make sense to me if you could find a debian/patches/ubuntu-specific-patch entry that caused freezes |
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| 07:33.33 | awal1 | anyway, I have to get my dinner; ubuntu is just a big shit |
| 07:33.53 | themill | awal1: not helpful. |
| 07:34.15 | jordila | wow, in D Stretch, i just went trying to clean up some old PHP5 packages... (supposed to be unused - obsolete ) and suddenly GLAMP Web apps stopped working in our production server... what am i missing ? |
| 07:34.48 | jordila | php -v shows PHP7.0 being used |
| 07:35.47 | jordila | trying to understand / lean from the issue... prior to rollback to last backup |
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| 07:56.56 | themill | jordila: "php -v" probably has nothing to do with php as run by apache. Do you know how you were running php within apache |
| 07:56.57 | themill | ? |
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| 07:57.56 | jordila | well, i know that actually, php.ini in use is the one related to Apache , themill |
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| 08:11.07 | themill | jordila: that doesn't say how you've configured apache to call php. Is it via libapache2-mod-php7.0? |
| 08:12.29 | Krisostoomus | hello cockgangsters |
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| 08:15.36 | jordila | :P |
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| 08:17.02 | jordila | themill , yes libapache2-mod-php7 is in use |
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| 08:17.57 | themill | is it installed? and configured? |
| 08:19.48 | themill | if removing php5 stuff stopped your php applications from working, then either you were actually using php5 not php7, or there was some module you need that got uninstalled. You probably need to start with helloworld.php and work upwards. |
| 08:21.58 | jordila | umh ... i see, BTW 'apache2ctl -M ' , shows > php5_module (shared) |
| 08:21.58 | jordila | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.05 | jordila | i'm puzzled .. |
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| 08:25.32 | jordila | is starting to thing that PHP7 got installed on the VM, yet Apache is still using PHP5 ... |
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| 08:26.50 | jordila | *** (still) how come that 'php -v' says PHP7... o well, it could be... Just Apache config is missing something ... ummh |
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| 08:28.30 | jordila | ... umh, maybe just 'sudo a2enmod php7.0' ? |
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| 08:34.28 | jordila | umh , i can get libapache2-mod-php . but no libapache2-mod-php7 ... what am i missing ? |
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| 08:36.36 | jordila | themill , i don't get it ... : i have libapache2-mod-php7.0 (as you suggested ) installed ... but when ... |
| 08:37.14 | jordila | 'sudo a2enmod php7 ' i get 'ERROR: Module php7 does not exist! ' ... what am i missing ? |
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| 08:38.26 | jordila | .. umh ,let's purge / remove / and re-install maybe ? |
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| 08:41.16 | jordila | Done, wow, now apache says PHP7 in use ... 'Considering conflict php5 for php7.0: |
| 08:41.16 | jordila | ' |
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| 09:09.15 | RoyK | jordila: uninstall php5, then |
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| 09:10.26 | jordila | YEah, RoyK , succeeded doing so... |
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| 09:20.56 | deathleff | yes |
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| 10:17.22 | vlt | Hello. Iâm in the process of replacing a serverâs disks and turning a raid1 "into" a raid10. I added two disks, created a new raid10 with "missing" and pvmoveâd everything from the old raid1. |
| 10:17.37 | vlt | Now I want to install grub to the new disks. |
| 10:17.57 | vlt | Trying this I get the following error: |
| 10:19.55 | vlt | grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for RAID and LVM install. |
| 10:20.06 | vlt | Iâll paste the full output ... |
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| 10:22.39 | vlt | http://termbin.com/xl3m |
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| 10:23.16 | dutchfish | vlt, this is normal behavior. You cant install grub on a volume |
| 10:23.42 | vlt | dutchfish: A "volume"? |
| 10:23.42 | dutchfish | vlt, instead you leave a small space on each drive and install grub into that |
| 10:24.50 | dutchfish | vlt, well, i ment into the raid logical volume |
| 10:25.13 | vlt | dutchfish: This is the disk layout: http://termbin.com/rlcm |
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| 10:26.12 | vlt | dutchfish: p1 holds a raid for /boot, while p2 is the PV for LVM. |
| 10:26.52 | dutchfish | vlt, and what FS is on that /dev/sdb1? |
| 10:27.33 | dutchfish | vlt, it clearly says to be member of the the raid. That is not ok. |
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| 10:28.10 | dutchfish | vlt, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot |
| 10:28.25 | dutchfish | vlt, or is this a HW raid? |
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| 10:29.08 | vlt | dutchfish: sdb1 is an md raid1 member, yes. The same setup worked fine for years on sda where thereâs even less room before the beginning of sda1. |
| 10:29.45 | vlt | A difference might be the raid headerâs version. The old setup had an 0.90 header at the end of the clock device, |
| 10:29.51 | vlt | *block |
| 10:30.30 | vlt | while the new 1.02 header sits at the beginning. |
| 10:31.10 | vlt | The old 0.90 style allowed non-raid aware things like old grub to read from it as a normal ext file system. |
| 10:31.36 | dutchfish | vlt, what is inside pvdisplay ? |
| 10:32.24 | dutchfish | vlt, and lvdisplay for the first partition inside that lv |
| 10:33.27 | vlt | http://termbin.com/4rkl |
| 10:34.36 | vlt | dutchfish: Sorry, I didnât understand "the first partition inside that lv". |
| 10:34.56 | dutchfish | vlt, right that shows that the logical volumes are inside the same physical volume. That is not what grubinstaller wants. |
| 10:36.20 | dutchfish | vlt, either you create a separate pv or, leave a little space without adding it to any PV or LV for grub to be installed. |
| 10:36.22 | vlt | dutchfish: What does grub-install expect? What prerequisits are needed? |
| 10:36.55 | dutchfish | vlt, unassigned space to a PV or a separate PV |
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| 10:37.18 | dutchfish | vlt, the later is used on HW raid |
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| 10:37.49 | vlt | dutchfish: Did you mean "to any VG" instead? |
| 10:38.23 | dutchfish | vlt, no i specifically mean FREE space not assigned to ANY physical volume |
| 10:38.52 | dutchfish | vlt, so each spindle has its own free space |
| 10:39.11 | dutchfish | vlt, it doesnt need to be big |
| 10:39.22 | dutchfish | why? |
| 10:39.29 | vlt | dutchfish: How do I address this free space? Do you mean an extra partition? |
| 10:39.36 | dutchfish | in case of a disaster you can boot from ANY of the mebers |
| 10:39.43 | dutchfish | members* |
| 10:39.50 | vlt | dutchfish: Thatâs my goal, yes. |
| 10:40.18 | dutchfish | vlt, by not assigning the whole free space to a physical volume on creation |
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| 10:40.52 | dutchfish | vlt, read th elnk i gave |
| 10:40.59 | vlt | I keep missing something important here. |
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| 10:41.02 | dutchfish | vlt, read the link i gave* |
| 10:41.08 | vlt | Iâll read that and ask afterewards, thank you! |
| 10:41.13 | dutchfish | sorry for my typos |
| 10:41.33 | dutchfish | vlt, no problem, you can always come back. Good luck. |
| 10:43.07 | dutchfish | vlt, hint: you can install grub on more members then 1 (inside that free space on each member) |
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| 10:49.01 | vlt | dutchfish: Could you, please, point to the section about that "free space" in the link you gave me? Their layout looks exactly like mine, just without having /boot on a raid device but maybe thatâs exactly the point here. |
| 10:49.38 | vlt | "However, GRUB can not install to a RAID device (e.g., /dev/md0), but will nonetheless work fine." o_O |
| 10:49.59 | vlt | What is this supposed to say? |
| 10:50.07 | dutchfish | vlt, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=17.gif |
| 10:52.18 | dutchfish | vlt, works fine, means in there, without grub installed (because grub not neccesarely needs to be installed on the disk itself), hence HW raid works by placing it inside a separate physical volume. |
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| 10:52.49 | dutchfish | or ever without that |
| 10:52.59 | dutchfish | but that doe snot work on software raid |
| 10:53.01 | vlt | dutchfish: Hmmm, what I see there in the gif is two partitions on each disk. Where is this "free space"? |
| 10:53.38 | dutchfish | vlt, that free space needs to be assigned to each separate partition of couse. |
| 10:54.01 | dutchfish | vlt, note: see master slave words, |
| 10:54.26 | dutchfish | vlt, and the ext3 |
| 10:55.03 | dutchfish | vlt, dont be fooled by the sizes, this is a bit wacky |
| 10:55.14 | dutchfish | (just an example) |
| 10:55.37 | vlt | dutchfish: Iâm sorry for being that stupid this morning. Where can I see the free non-assigned space? |
| 10:55.53 | vlt | Is it before hda1 or _on_ it? |
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| 10:56.24 | dutchfish | vlt, not, because that non assigned is now ext3 in that picture, read: not assigned to the raid! |
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| 10:57.07 | vlt | dutchfish: Ok, sorry, I got confused when you talked about PV and LV earlier. |
| 10:57.21 | dutchfish | think it over and reread what i said |
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| 10:58.05 | dutchfish | vlt, its confusing at first glance, i admit |
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| 10:59.38 | dutchfish | vlt, on an UEFI based system it gets even more confusing |
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| 11:00.13 | vlt | dutchfish: (How) can grub be installed to a device that is "occupied" by a file system? |
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| 11:01.49 | dutchfish | vlt, well the grubinstaller has a neat trick, it can shrink 'normal' partitions on install for the space it needs. Hence dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc OR on an efi system grub-efi-amd64. |
| 11:02.26 | dutchfish | vlt, it can also do that an an empty separate physical volume. |
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| 11:02.55 | dutchfish | vlt, it cant if the physical volume is already occupied by a logical volume! |
| 11:03.14 | dutchfish | vlt, hence you error |
| 11:03.22 | dutchfish | your* |
| 11:03.59 | vlt | grubinstaller shrinks partitions?!? Can anyone confirm that? |
| 11:04.36 | dutchfish | vlt, or installs itself inside the partition. I meant shrink the filesystem space |
| 11:04.42 | dutchfish | inside that partitin |
| 11:04.48 | dutchfish | my mistake |
| 11:04.59 | vlt | ok, that sound doable. |
| 11:05.02 | vlt | +s |
| 11:06.28 | dutchfish | vlt, but for the sake of safety. Dont use that same PV for the grubinstaller, make free space with a separate normal partion on each of the members, as that wiki page clearly shows. |
| 11:06.58 | vlt | I think, for now I will just dd the first few MB with grub and everything from sda to all other disks and call it a day. I'll have to simulate the whole grub-install thing in a VM later. |
| 11:07.05 | vlt | dutchfish: Thanks for your patience. |
| 11:07.23 | dutchfish | vlt, np :) |
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| 12:02.07 | phenom | I'm trying to use macchanger and since ifconfig has been deprecated, my understanding of the ip tools equivalent command is "sudo ip link set wlp3s0". So I do that and then do "sudo macchanger -m ab:ab:ab:ab:ab:ab wlp3s0" or the link and I still get "[ERROR] Could not change MAC: interface up or insufficient permissions: Cannot assign requested address". What does a brotha have to do to change |
| 12:02.08 | phenom | his MAC these days? |
| 12:02.39 | phenom | sudo ip link set wlp3s0 down, rather. |
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| 12:04.10 | abrotman | phenom: ifdown wlp3s0 ? |
| 12:04.24 | abrotman | or oyu're just trying to use ip tools? |
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| 12:05.39 | rant | phenom: that could be device/driver specfic some can only be changed at module init |
| 12:05.53 | phenom | I don't care which tool |
| 12:06.40 | rant | I've set them both with modprobe and in /etc/network/interfaces before personally. one device I have it only works with modprobe |
| 12:07.42 | phenom | OK, let me dig in to this a bit further. |
| 12:07.44 | phenom | Thanks |
| 12:08.18 | rant | check modinfo on your module name see if it has a parameter linke init_mac or something |
| 12:09.24 | phenom | ifdown wlp3s0 gives me: ifdown: unknown interface wlp3s0, when sudo ifconfig clearly displays wlp3s0. |
| 12:11.08 | shtrb | Does anyone remember the module argument to iwlwifi to enable it after a hardware state flip (rfkill has HARD block untill reboot) ? |
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| 12:16.27 | phenom | rant, I do not see that option via sudo modinfo iwlwifi: https://pastebin.com/gLdSmMQS |
| 12:19.21 | rant | phenom: then I'd try it with hwaddress 12:34:56:78:90 or such in /etc/network/interfaces stanza and see if that works |
| 12:20.16 | rant | I only ever encountered one device that had to do it at module load and one that wouldnt do it at all.. most of them can do it via standard methods |
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| 12:23.01 | StephenS | I'm getting GPG error: http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease: Couldn't spawn new processResource temporarily unavailable |
| 12:23.34 | StephenS | while running apt-* any function, I think gpg keys are invalid |
| 12:23.56 | auscompgeek | StephenS: are you sure you have enough RAM? |
| 12:24.07 | StephenS | free: 15059 |
| 12:24.11 | rant | Resource unavailable probably has nothing to do with the validity of the key, its not getting that far |
| 12:24.34 | StephenS | !paste |
| 12:24.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:25.25 | StephenS | full output while running apt-get update http://paste.debian.net/1011879/ |
| 12:25.58 | rant | yeah this is one time more context probably wont help.. a sub process is failing to spawn due to lack of resources |
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| 12:26.49 | StephenS | I have plenty of ram/hdd and cpu is not in heavy usage |
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| 12:27.24 | rant | 15059 isn't exactly what I'd call "plenty" |
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| 12:27.55 | rant | I'm on an ancient IBM thinkpad and I got more free than that with netflix in FF going |
| 12:28.13 | StephenS | http://paste.debian.net/1011880/ |
| 12:28.15 | StephenS | plenty :) |
| 12:28.28 | somiaj | what is the output of df -h |
| 12:29.13 | rant | oh.. I didn't know you were using -m :P |
| 12:29.26 | StephenS | http://paste.debian.net/1011881/ |
| 12:29.27 | StephenS | plenty |
| 12:29.49 | StephenS | I still think someone needs to check my GPG keys, or how do I generate a new ones? |
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| 12:30.14 | rant | StephenS: bottom line is you are having a resource problem.. I'd check the kernel message buffer, you already checked free/df, if you can't narrow it down maybe you need to strace |
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| 12:30.47 | rant | the gpg keys for the archive are in a package debian-archive-keyring |
| 12:30.57 | StephenS | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 12:30.57 | StephenS | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.30 | somiaj | could also be some file/descriptor limit |
| 12:32.02 | StephenS | 1628463 |
| 12:32.03 | dka | hi |
| 12:32.03 | StephenS | file-max |
| 12:32.49 | dka | I have debian 9, I have installed mkvmerge and now VLC is removed, I then did a dist upgrade and I still can't reinstall vlc any help ? |
| 12:33.31 | rant | dka: what is mkvmerge and where did you get it? |
| 12:33.34 | somiaj | where did you get this package mkvmerge? |
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| 12:34.40 | doublehp | how do I change my timezone non interactively ? this does not work anymore on recent distros: echo 'Europe/Paris' >/etc/timezone ; dpkg-reconfigure --frontend noninteractive tzdata |
| 12:35.21 | dka | rant I got it by doing apt-get install mkvmerge |
| 12:35.41 | dka | I used it to add subtitles into mkv video |
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| 12:36.19 | dka | This is my log when i try to install vlc https://paste.gnome.org/prikapcfd |
| 12:36.31 | dka | I did apt-get dist upgrade and upgrade and update before |
| 12:37.01 | rant | dka: you might also want to show us output of apt policy |
| 12:38.09 | dka | https://paste.gnome.org/pi5llnxai |
| 12:38.27 | dka | rant what sudo apt-get policy do you need to see ? |
| 12:38.49 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.55 | dka | Its like nimporte quoi |
| 12:39.02 | rant | dka: just apt policy alone |
| 12:39.38 | rant | cause the reason somaij asked our question is because there is no such package when we both went and looked for apt-cache show mkvmerge to figure out what was going on |
| 12:39.49 | dka | https://paste.gnome.org/pequzo0w1 |
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| 12:39.57 | dka | this is policy |
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| 12:41.13 | rant | what version is libc6 dpkg -l libc6 |
| 12:42.18 | rant | though in this case I'd possibly be more inclined to check other packagtes as well |
| 12:42.38 | Logg | Automounting of removable devices not listed in fstab is broken for me. output of command `$ gvfs-mount -d /dev/sdk1` is `No volume for device file /dev/sdk1` |
| 12:43.14 | dka | 2.24-10 |
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| 12:43.42 | rant | dka: you are in trouble.. but its probably fixable.. but you're going to have to edit your sources and finish upgrading to stretch |
| 12:43.56 | rant | dka: you're halfway between jessie and stretch |
| 12:44.06 | Ascavasaion | The joys of a third world country that is developing in reverse. Internet connection sucks. |
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| 12:47.15 | rant | dka: you did something you shouldn't have and what I'm not sure because according to your apt policy you do in fact have jessie sources primarily but a higher priority stretch-backports.. but libc6 for example isnt in backports, yet somehow you have a stretch version of it |
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| 12:47.51 | rant | dka: this is ultimately what is causing you grief.. your package system is really close to becoming totally FUBAR when right now it seems its merely SNAFU :P |
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| 12:49.55 | dka | can u help me out ? |
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| 12:51.15 | rant | dka: um, yeah I suppose but for now I'd probably just delete your sources list and make a new valid stretch one, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:51.41 | dka | can you share a valid one? this is my current apt source list |
| 12:51.51 | dka | https://paste.gnome.org/phq8uwost |
| 12:51.54 | rant | as long as you dont have any weirdness other than some stretchiness in there, then you should just be able to complete the upgrade to stretch and it'll go back to normal |
| 12:52.03 | rant | I know what your sources list is, I seen the policy :P |
| 12:52.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dka about stretch sources.list |
| 12:53.11 | rant | dka: this is my stretch sources list http://paste.debian.net/1011885/ |
| 12:53.27 | rant | httpredir is deprecated, though still functional for now |
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| 12:56.31 | rant | dka: you might also want to consider "cd" rather than advertising your downloads |
| 12:57.31 | dka | lol |
| 12:57.55 | dka | now I feel a bit more spotted |
| 12:57.59 | dka | thansk to u |
| 12:58.00 | rant | could've been worse |
| 12:58.32 | mirav_ | Haha |
| 13:00.00 | Logg | how can I tell if polkit is working? |
| 13:00.01 | dka | btw its a very good one Im fighting hard to finish it |
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| 13:00.57 | rant | dka: finish watching or downloading? |
| 13:01.56 | rant | Logg: well.. if you're using a DE and have something like say synaptic installed, its gonna auth via polkit.. though I dont know enough about it to know any real diagnostics of it.. just enough to be dangerous :P |
| 13:02.01 | dka | I was in the middle, it's korean movie, so I did merge the video with the sub but the video stop in the middle, it was corrupt |
| 13:02.17 | dka | I want to know if the original or the merge is corrupt |
| 13:02.29 | dka | and I will finish it, but 1 hour and I can say its a very good movie |
| 13:02.32 | rant | dka: me personally Id just have used an exgternal subtitles file rather than go through the trouble |
| 13:03.32 | Logg | new question, how do I fix polkit, because I do have to authenticate via commandline for synaptic/gparted, etc, and none of my disks are automounting |
| 13:03.49 | Logg | (except those defined in fstab) |
| 13:04.06 | dka | rant I wanted to watch it on the TV at the hotel and they only have USB connection, or hdmi but i dont have the cable |
| 13:04.22 | dka | rant, just watch it, it worth it |
| 13:04.27 | rant | yes well for something like passwordless auth, these days you gotta make changes in about 3 places to make sure everything works :P |
| 13:04.32 | DiecastMessiah | Hailz all, new to debian i just installed . so just wondering how to i check if my video is working correctly. it an optimus style laptop .. i havn't tried to install anything yet. but glxgears does work .. but it using mesa .. it a nvidia 310m .. been looking around the gui and not seeing anything about video drivers |
| 13:04.53 | dka | I have replaced the source.list with yours, apt-get upgrade didnt change but now I do apt get update , lets see |
| 13:05.09 | Logg | DiecastMessiah, optimus is terrible. sell the laptop or install ubuntu. those are my suggestions |
| 13:05.14 | rant | dka: you have to update to get the cache updated BEFORE the dist-upgrade |
| 13:05.20 | rant | I never said anything about upgrade |
| 13:05.34 | DiecastMessiah | darn i just changed from ubuntu |
| 13:06.21 | Logg | nvidia supports pretty much only ubuntu with those drivers, and imo the community drivers for supporting optimus are hard to use |
| 13:06.23 | rant | dka: you'd be able to install things again after the update alone, but depending on how split your system is this could just run you into more problems if you dont make sure its fully stretch first by doing a dist-upgrade |
| 13:07.34 | DiecastMessiah | well ubuntu was no good thannks for the info I just will not use linux than |
| 13:08.12 | Logg | on that laptop, it's probably for the best. optimus is a hack. |
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| 13:10.01 | DiecastMessiah | so tring nvidia-prime or bumblebee is no good at all on this distro? |
| 13:10.32 | rant | DiecastMessiah: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 13:10.38 | Logg | honestly it works, but setting it up for friends, they didn't like it. you have to launch games a special way with optimus to get it to use the graphics card correctly |
| 13:11.20 | rant | I think you're confusing this user going off their mention of "optimus like" not verifying that they even have the kind of hw you're speaking of |
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| 13:12.46 | Logg | sorry rant, but optimus is actually this terrible. it's true I didn't google "nvidia 310m", but if they say they have optimus, I believe them |
| 13:13.12 | DiecastMessiah | where to paste? |
| 13:13.31 | Logg | DiecastMessiah, use the program pastebinit |
| 13:15.57 | rant | if its just that one line you can paste it here |
| 13:16.18 | DiecastMessiah | rant: https://pastebin.com/F4irDHcm |
| 13:16.19 | rant | all I asked for was a single line that'd have the [vend:prod] id code |
| 13:16.28 | rant | which is all I needed.. 8 chars |
| 13:17.13 | rant | yes I dont know crap about optimus but I'm pretty sure thats not it |
| 13:17.59 | DiecastMessiah | yeah i didn;t install any drivers fresh install of debain |
| 13:19.09 | rant | device 0a70 is listed as supported by Stretch's nvidia drivers http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/375.66/README/supportedchips.html |
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| 13:20.35 | rant | Logg: well I'd consider the fact that you nearly scared someone away from linux entirely with your assumption there :P |
| 13:20.55 | rant | not even to mention the perception it gives of our support community here |
| 13:21.01 | Logg | rant, the nvidia 310m does in fact have optimus technology implemented |
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| 13:21.51 | Logg | you have to use a loader program to make use of the graphics card. there's two of them, one is the "bumble bee" he mentioned, and the other I forget, but they're both hacks |
| 13:22.11 | Logg | any laptop with optimus, you should just sell if you want to use debian. |
| 13:22.17 | DiecastMessiah | it optumis .. hte last drivers that my card can use is 340.104 |
| 13:22.24 | rant | so this optimus is some attempt then to allow seamless switching of CPU and discrete graphics then I guess |
| 13:22.36 | Logg | for battery consumption, yes. |
| 13:22.47 | Logg | it works well in windows (I'm told) |
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| 13:22.59 | rant | that link I just posted is directly from the MFG which says its supported by 375.66 which is what stretch has |
| 13:23.18 | rant | based on the prod id code, not some sticker or label |
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| 13:24.20 | rant | I've no experience with this hardware so I dont know its complexities.. but I'd think it'd be possible to just use it without the optimus power saving features |
| 13:24.49 | Logg | maybe it's "supported" but you still have to either launch all games from command line to enable use of the card or change all your launchers |
| 13:25.04 | rant | and if they didnt set it up that way and it only works properly on windows, the mfg made a HUGE mistake in even rolling something like that out.. especially if they arent getting paid by Microsoft for it :P |
| 13:25.29 | DiecastMessiah | yeah thats what nvidia-prime was just uses the nvidia gpu all the time.. unless you call a command bbswitch or something to turn off the card |
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| 13:28.25 | rant | the debian wiki suggests this optimus crap can be disabled in the BIOS |
| 13:29.02 | rant | I'm sure thats depending on the vendor's setup.. but that would be worth looking into |
| 13:29.18 | rant | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus |
| 13:30.06 | rant | it also shows a method of using xorg/xrandr to select the card manually |
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| 13:31.04 | DiecastMessiah | rant: thanks for the info.. reading now |
| 13:31.06 | rant | overall our wiki shows 3 possible solutions |
| 13:31.25 | rant | only one of which involves this bumblebee and using this optimus tech |
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| 13:32.08 | DiecastMessiah | yeah that i son;t really care about because i have no batt to save power on lol |
| 13:33.37 | Roedy | I cant seem to figure out what the difference is between nsd and nsd3 in jessie.. Can someone clarify it for me? |
| 13:34.25 | rant | the difference seems to be about 3 :P |
| 13:34.48 | rant | ,info nsd |
| 13:34.49 | judd | Package nsd (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: authoritative domain name server. Version: 4.1.14-1; Size: 764.6k; Installed: 2135k; Homepage: http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/nsd/ |
| 13:34.57 | rant | ,info nsd3 |
| 13:34.58 | judd | No package named 'nsd3' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 13:35.00 | shtrb | anyone about iwlwifi reset module ? |
| 13:35.02 | Roedy | haha.. Just figured out I overlooked this: "This is a transitional dummy package. It can safely be removed." |
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| 13:35.42 | rant | shtrb: can I buy a verb? or an adverb? |
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| 13:37.47 | rant | DiecastMessiah: I'd imagine if the tech really works in saving power it probably also reduces heat |
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| 13:40.20 | DiecastMessiah | well going to try bumblebee .. its in debian ppa's maybe it will work.. i rebeber at one point 5 or 6 years ago it worked fine on ubuntu,, but now i was sick of fighting to try to get it all working.. fingers crossed it works here |
| 13:40.27 | shtrb | Does anyone remember the module argument to iwlwifi to enable it after a hardware state flip (rfkill has HARD block untill reboot) ?<-rant |
| 13:40.51 | shtrb | DiecastMessiah, no need for bumblebee and not for PPAs |
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| 13:43.04 | rant | shtrb: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus |
| 13:43.13 | rant | erm.. udo modinfo iwlwifi | grep parm: | awk '{print $2}' |
| 13:43.34 | shtrb | rant , the wiki is not acurate anymore |
| 13:43.54 | DiecastMessiah | darn it asking of a cd .. i used a usb |
| 13:44.28 | shtrb | DiecastMessiah, you mean the graphic software not the AVR correct ? |
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| 13:45.07 | Logg | DiecastMessiah, comment out the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:45.08 | rant | shtrb: yes well that was copy-paste-fail.. I meant to say sudo modinfo iwlwifi | grep parm: | awk '{print $2}' |
| 13:45.17 | DiecastMessiah | did apt-get install bumblebee... not it asking for a debian cd to be put into the cdrom drive |
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| 13:46.07 | Logg | DiecastMessiah, comment out the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:47.04 | DiecastMessiah | what texteditor does this use... using xfce DM btw |
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| 13:48.07 | DiecastMessiah | used to using gedit <filename> |
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| 13:51.47 | rant | DiecastMessiah: idk, leafpad maybe.. |
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| 13:52.31 | Ascavasaion | What is the command to list UUID's for hard disks? I thought it was lsblk |
| 13:52.48 | sphalerite_ | Ascavasaion: blkid |
| 13:52.49 | dka | rant dist-upgrade still upgrading... |
| 13:52.51 | rant | Ascavasaion: no, its blkid |
| 13:53.06 | Ascavasaion | sphalerite and rant: Aaaah, thank you... Doh! |
| 13:53.13 | sphalerite_ | Ascavasaion: lsblk -f will also show you filesystem uuids |
| 13:53.51 | rant | dka: well thats good.. idk how you managed that.. but apparently you installed something(s) from stretch-backports but how that got you libc6 from stretch when you had no stretch sources is a bit puzzling to me |
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| 13:54.09 | rant | because libc6 isnt in backports |
| 13:54.41 | sphalerite_ | Are firefox-stable (not ESR) packages available in any debian repos? I see that debian's wiki recommends using the official mozilla binaries, but they don't have ARM builds |
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| 13:58.17 | rant | sphalerite_: no, the terms of FF lisc and the DFSG are incompatible |
| 13:59.05 | sphalerite_ | rant: lisc? |
| 13:59.19 | rant | sphalerite_: as I recall FF lisc terms wouldnt even allow for the minimal changes necessary to package it w/o changing name |
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| 13:59.27 | sphalerite_ | lisc? |
| 13:59.33 | rant | liscense |
| 13:59.38 | rant | terms of use |
| 14:00.49 | sphalerite_ | Wasn't that trademark issues, why we had iceweasel, which were eventually resolved? Hence also the inclusion of the ESR as firefox and not iceweasel? |
| 14:01.07 | sphalerite_ | Not the actual software licence, which is the DFSG-compatible Mozilla Public Licence |
| 14:01.20 | dvs | sphalerite_, it was resolved for ESR, not the regular version |
| 14:01.21 | DiecastMessiah | ok i opened it .. had to use the gui .. i guess this run mousepad... ok so i just put a # to comment that out right? |
| 14:01.23 | shtrb | rant , didn't end like a version ago ? |
| 14:01.26 | rant | idk I guess.. regardless we've not had actual firefox in a very long time |
| 14:01.47 | rant | and even then we didnt have it technically |
| 14:02.54 | sphalerite_ | so what's my best bet to get firefox stable running on here? Another distro? :/ |
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| 14:03.41 | rant | sphalerite_: unfortunately there arent a lot of options for browsers on arm.. what is your issue that makes this headache worthwhile? |
| 14:04.13 | DiecastMessiah | Logg: do i add a # to the line to comment it out ?? correct? |
| 14:04.23 | dvs | !tell sphalerite_ about mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:04.29 | sphalerite_ | Well, wanting to use a full-featured browser that doesn't run like molasses :) |
| 14:04.36 | rant | DiecastMessiah: yes, or a ; is standard comment in config files |
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| 14:06.10 | sphalerite_ | chromium runs, but it has a bunch of animations that aren't much fun to run without hardware-accelerated graphics and there doesn't seem to be any option to disable them. I remember being able to disable chrome animations in about:config in forefox |
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| 14:07.04 | sphalerite_ | oh, but sid has firefox release? |
| 14:08.57 | sphalerite_ | I guess I'll use sid, I'm using it in a chroot so it shouldn't cause any major issues |
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| 14:09.07 | sphalerite_ | thanks dvs rant |
| 14:10.14 | DiecastMessiah | ok that seem to have installed going to reboot.. thanks for the help Logg and rant |
| 14:10.29 | rant | I only see builds for mips, s390, and power pc for 52.0.2 on that repo.. the rest all seems to be sources |
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| 14:11.42 | rant | which I find odd considering none of those are the kinda hw I'd be running FF on anyhow :P |
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| 14:22.00 | sphalerite_ | ah bummer, even sid only has 55.x |
| 14:22.09 | abrotman | huh? |
| 14:22.27 | abrotman | of firefox? |
| 14:22.37 | abrotman | judd: versions firefox |
| 14:22.38 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 58.0.1-1+b1; experimental: 59.0~b4-1 |
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| 14:23.08 | sphalerite_ | abrotman: for ARM |
| 14:23.23 | abrotman | judd: versions firefox --arch arm |
| 14:23.24 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 58.0.1-1+b1; experimental: 59.0~b4-1 |
| 14:23.29 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 14:23.46 | sphalerite_ | judd: versions firefox --arch armhf |
| 14:23.47 | judd | Package: firefox on armhf -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 55.0.3-1 |
| 14:23.57 | abrotman | arm64 not appropriate ? |
| 14:24.16 | sphalerite_ | nope my c201 chromebook is armv7 only |
| 14:24.17 | abrotman | judd: versions firefox --arch arm64 |
| 14:24.18 | judd | Package: firefox on arm64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 58.0.1-1+b1; experimental: 59.0~b4-1 |
| 14:24.20 | abrotman | better ? |
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| 14:25.17 | sphalerite_ | I mean, it is better, but not helpful since I can't run it on here :D |
| 14:25.30 | abrotman | judd: versions firefox --arch armel |
| 14:25.31 | judd | Package: firefox on armel -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 53.0.is.52.0.2-1 |
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| 14:34.15 | sphalerite_ | Oooh, fedora seems to have armv7hl packages for firefox 58.x |
| 14:34.20 | sphalerite_ | Guess I'll set up a new chroot |
| 14:34.26 | sphalerite_ | Thanks for the help folks! |
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| 14:51.46 | Ascavasaion | I have a 26TB RAID5 partition that auto mounts in debian when I open it in the file manager. I cnanot find it in /etc/fstab. I would like to change where it mounts the RAID partition, and preferabyl also make it automount it on startup so that I do not need to open it in file manager first. |
| 14:51.58 | abrotman | sphalerite_: why not just build from source? |
| 14:52.04 | abrotman | or install from upstream? |
| 14:52.24 | abrotman | Ascavasaion: so add it to /etc/fstab |
| 14:52.24 | rant | Ascavasaion: put it in fstab |
| 14:53.07 | Ascavasaion | Aaaah, okay hehe Thought it was placed elsewhere seeing as it was automounting the thing. |
| 14:53.39 | SwedeMike | Ascavasaion: no, there is functionality to automount USB volumes etc, but it also works on other volumes |
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| 14:54.47 | Ascavasaion | thank you..let me try |
| 14:54.47 | no_gravity | Hello! What was the variable that holds the path to /tmp/libgksu...? |
| 14:55.05 | no_gravity | I recently found out that sometimes I have to manually correct it. But now I forgot which variable it was. |
| 14:55.28 | no_gravity | Ah, XAUTHORITY |
| 14:56.10 | sphalerite_ | abrotman: building big software like that from source is complicated and scary :) |
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| 14:58.14 | sphalerite_ | my eventual goal is to get the nix package working so I don't need an other-distro chroot at all, but until then I'll be content with using binaries that well-known distros have managed to build |
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| 15:15.19 | hicks_ | upgraded my htpc (macmini) to stretch today and having issues with lirc which no longer works. Followed the /usr/share/doc/lirc which has someinfo about splitting to 3 services and upgrade script but still nothing. cat /dev/input/event2 does print out garbage (expected) when the remote buttons are pushed, but irw reports "failed to initialise hardware". Any ideas where to look next? |
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| 15:17.43 | rant | Ascavasaion: when it comes to wanting to actually control something being mounted there are only two places thats configured.. crypttab for encrypted devices and fstab for all others. There are limited gconf/dconf settings for automounting with gvfsd but they're not as readily familiar to folks nor are they as easy to customize, afaik they are global settings for all mounts not specific device settings |
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| 15:18.49 | DiecastMessiah | hailz all again .. fresh install of debain and newbie too.. not sure but i think i am using stretch ..using xfce and cannot even find what version i am using.. trying to add backports to source.list but not sure to use jessie or stretch |
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| 15:21.27 | rant | DiecastMessiah: cat /etc/debian_version; apt policy; dpkg -l libc6 | awk '{print $3}' |
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| 15:22.14 | rant | DiecastMessiah: if you are using stretch you should see 9.3 or such at the top, and 2.24 at the bottom and several stretch sources |
| 15:22.55 | StephenS | any idea regarding failing apt-get update? |
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| 15:23.27 | rant | StephenS: my ideas were already expressed.. check the kernel message buffer (dmesg) and strace if you can't find a cause |
| 15:23.53 | rant | all those warnings indicated was some sort of resource issue |
| 15:25.02 | DiecastMessiah | yep 9.3 it looks like thanks |
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| 15:26.37 | rant | the /etc/debian_version tells you what was installed, version of libc6 shows what you're actually at for most all intents and purposes, and the apt policy shows what the package manager is tracking.. all three should agree but thats not always the case when people do dumb stuff |
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| 15:32.23 | StephenS | rant, you are right, I have an issue with quotatool |
| 15:32.38 | StephenS | checking into this, dunno why I havent looked in kernel mb before |
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| 15:33.52 | abramovich | #opsec |
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| 15:34.20 | rant | StephenS: So I guess you can solve that problem then |
| 15:34.52 | DiecastMessiah | ok last question. is there a tool i can download to make a bootable usb .. like on ubuntu had startup disk .. and it would install a cdimage on to the usb stick |
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| 15:35.42 | rant | I'm on Stretch i386 and for whatever reason it seems like all mpeg files do this weird grey pixelating crap with vlc but not with mplayer.. every other type of file, flv, avi, etc play fine in vlc, but mpeg only plays properly in mplayer. Any suggestions? I thought all the players used the same codecs |
| 15:36.05 | massolit | For some packages (the kernel is a good example), I see a representation of the Debian distribution appended to the version, e.g: <version>+deb9 or <version>~deb9. Is documentation available to describe this convention? |
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| 15:37.07 | rant | DiecastMessiah: all you gotta do is dd the iso to the thumbdrive i.e. dd if=/home/user/Downloads/Debian.iso of=/dev/sdb |
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| 15:38.23 | rant | DiecastMessiah: if is the input file and of is the output file.. you just gotta check and see which device node belongs to the drive you wanna write to.. can use lsblk for example to see block device node name |
| 15:39.02 | rant | DiecastMessiah: there was unetbootin (unetbootin.sf.net) but its outdated and does stuff that is no longer required |
| 15:43.38 | DiecastMessiah | ok seem to be working. stick is flashing |
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| 15:45.52 | hicks_ | sorted my issue, logging here in case anyone else runs into it. lirc_options.conf had device set to auto. irw and irrecord failed to find the device with auto, setting it to /dev/usb/hiddev0 and both now detect the button presses correctly. |
| 15:47.06 | g0zzy | Why would a wifi driver repeatedly try to authenticate and then deauthenticate once authenticated? (deauthenticating from cc:33:bb:12:a7:fc by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)) |
| 15:47.42 | DiecastMessiah | rant: thanks again.. that seem to have worked out nicely |
| 15:48.19 | rant | DiecastMessiah: yeah its nice they work like that now.. that unetbootin proceedure was a bit of a pain.. it actually unpacked the iso |
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| 15:51.16 | DiecastMessiah | ok well i going to see if i bork my system with this nvidia crap lol .. |
| 15:53.35 | annadane | (yes) |
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| 16:11.56 | g0zzy | "SMTP error from remote mail server after pipelined MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=3139: 530-5.5.1 Authentication Required. Learn more at\n530 5.5.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=WantAuthError k2sm16547591wrc.30" |
| 16:12.12 | cuddylier | How do I install grub on all disks via preseed? All the commands I find make you hard code the disk names. |
| 16:12.36 | g0zzy | That's Exim4 set up with using Gmail as smarthost. 100% certain passwd.client is correct. Why the error? |
| 16:13.17 | shtrb | g0zzy, sometimes you are blocked when you are sending too much or from a fishy location |
| 16:13.46 | shtrb | normally the unblock come back after ~24 hours |
| 16:14.04 | g0zzy | Right. It was one word actually ;) |
| 16:14.52 | g0zzy | I originally DID have the password wrong. What that cause such a problem even when i corrected it? |
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| 16:28.40 | StephenS | fixed few errors on the beginning, however this error occurs when apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease: Couldn't spawn new processResource temporarily unavailable |
| 16:28.53 | StephenS | dmesg shows nothing |
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| 16:40.33 | StephenS | strace returns Unable to locate package apt-secure |
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| 17:13.44 | g0zzy | Is it possible for someone successfully using Gmail as a smarthost with exim4 to give me their (obfuscated) config files? |
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| 17:26.22 | abrotman | g0zzy: I feel like that's pretty well documented online, what's not working for you? |
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| 17:44.34 | lupulo | hi |
| 17:44.51 | lupulo | buster has support for CUDA 9.1 in cuda-toolkit? |
| 17:44.57 | lupulo | or unstable? |
| 17:45.13 | lupulo | nvidia only has packages for ubuntu 17.04 |
| 17:45.50 | abrotman | did you look at the changelog for the package? |
| 17:46.16 | abrotman | I see a package for 9.1 in experimental? |
| 17:46.38 | abrotman | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/n/nvidia-cuda-toolkit/nvidia-cuda-toolkit_9.1.85-1_changelog |
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| 17:47.46 | BlackBishop | does anybody know this in deb9 ? snmpd[841]: error on subcontainer 'ia_addr' insert (-1) |
| 17:47.47 | lupulo | lol abrotman |
| 17:47.49 | lupulo | thanks |
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| 17:52.58 | g0zzy | abrotman: in a word: authentication |
| 17:53.36 | erasmus | hi. I have an old arcade gaming monitor. It wants between 48.3-59.9Hz how do I force that? |
| 17:53.45 | erasmus | grub2 right? |
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| 17:55.01 | Logg | I think that would be later, after boot |
| 17:55.11 | hypn0 | xrandr? |
| 17:55.11 | erasmus | hi. I have an old arcade gaming monitor. It wants between 48.3-59.9Hz how do I force that? |
| 17:55.33 | Logg | yes, xrandr |
| 17:55.35 | erasmus | can I edit grub2? |
| 17:55.36 | g0zzy | It's the only thing preventing me giving this box back to the client (inability to send admin mails to me) |
| 17:55.42 | erasmus | I can see the bios and then grub2 and then nothing. |
| 17:56.14 | Logg | erasmus, use xrandr to add a custom mode for the monitor and put it in your desktop manager's startup config |
| 17:56.25 | erasmus | it's a server |
| 17:56.26 | erasmus | no X |
| 17:56.36 | Logg | ssh into it then |
| 17:56.39 | Logg | forget monitors |
| 17:56.48 | erasmus | I want to run mame |
| 17:57.02 | Logg | does mame use X? |
| 17:57.04 | erasmus | no |
| 17:57.11 | Logg | what does mame use? |
| 17:57.18 | g0zzy | abrotman: are you able to help? |
| 17:57.40 | erasmus | how can I force it to use the lowest possible settings for video? |
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| 17:58.11 | erasmus | nomodeset? |
| 17:59.21 | abrotman | g0zzy: I don't use exim much, but that's a vague issue .. what isn't working ? |
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| 18:00.11 | abrotman | https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 You've read that ? |
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| 18:00.41 | rant | my mame uses Windows 10 :P but if you mean MAME there are various versions.. some use X |
| 18:03.00 | rant | IIRC its UI is in SDL so it can run just about anywhere |
| 18:03.05 | erasmus | nomodeset worked. thanks. |
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| 18:03.40 | g0zzy | Yes, I've been through that with a fine-toothed comb. "<goose@medion.home> R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com [64.233.184.108] X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256 CV=no DN="C=US,ST=California,L=Mountain View,O=Google Inc,CN=smtp.gmail.com": SMTP error from remote mail server after pipelined MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=3133: 530-5.5.1 Authentication Required. Learn more at\n530 5.5.1 https://support.go |
| 18:03.41 | g0zzy | ail/?p=WantAuthError s2sm10847519wmf.0 - gsmtp" |
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| 18:05.07 | henkka_hy | !start |
| 18:05.07 | rhizome | how come sometimes i get a single apt-listchanges email (probably when I do a manual update), but i also get 15 different apt-listchanges emails many mornings as well? |
| 18:05.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, start is what you have to press to stop in Windows |
| 18:06.17 | henkka_hy | wow that's still alive |
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| 18:10.01 | g0zzy | I wonder why /etc/exim4/passwd.client has not been read for several hours. In fact since stat shows all timestamps are the same, it might not have been read _by exim4_ at all |
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| 18:16.59 | g0zzy | OK i've cracked it. The answer to my last question is that passwd.client only gets read if the smarthost resolves correctly. In my case, the CNAME smtp.gmail.com did not resolve to anything other than google.com, so passwd.client was misconfigured |
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| 18:40.25 | awal1 | in previous versions of virtualbox activating "bridge adapter" in guest network settings instead of NAT one is able to connect guest to home wifi directly. the bridge feature still there but it doesn't work, activating it and deactivating NAT, there is no way for guest guest conecting to Internet. |
| 18:40.39 | awal1 | anyone using vbox can confirm that? |
| 18:41.01 | awal1 | I am running sid but I have this problematic since stretch dev. |
| 18:41.06 | awal1 | ,v virtualbox |
| 18:41.08 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.6-dfsg-5; sid/contrib: |
| 18:41.09 | judd | 5.2.6-dfsg-5 |
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| 18:50.35 | somiaj | what are you using to configure the hosts network? |
| 18:51.06 | somiaj | awal1: ^^ |
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| 18:53.02 | awal1 | somiaj, right now NetworkManager (via nm-applet), sometimes wicd (via wicd-gtk). right now wicd purged, using nm |
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| 18:54.36 | awal1 | in my sid guest I have wicd but I see "no wireless networks found" in it's window, same with nm |
| 18:55.31 | somiaj | well for a bridged network, you need to have a bridge configured on the network card you want to bridge on the host (at least for qemu I need this). So my guess is something is configured on your system where virtualbox cannot setup the bridge directly. |
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| 18:57.36 | Ascavasaion | Is there any reason why webmin would not be in Debian repositories? |
| 18:57.49 | RoyK | !webmin |
| 18:57.49 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 18:58.35 | somiaj | awal1: looks like virtualbox should set up the briding more automatically. I'm not fidning any good details on how to debug it if the bridge isn't setting up correctly. |
| 18:58.57 | Ascavasaion | RoyK: hehe Okay, thank you. |
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| 18:59.04 | jhutchins | #vbox |
| 18:59.12 | RoyK | somiaj: why don't you use kvm/libvirt? |
| 18:59.29 | Ascavasaion | jhutchins: /join #vbox |
| 18:59.40 | somiaj | awal1: first check the guest can see a network card, and if it can see the network card, then it is something with the bridge on the host I would imagine. |
| 18:59.51 | somiaj | RoyK: I use libvirt. |
| 19:00.00 | jhutchins | Ascavasaion: I was suggesting that to awal1 |
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| 19:00.14 | somiaj | which in turn uses qemu-kvm |
| 19:00.27 | Ascavasaion | jhutchins: Oh, oops |
| 19:00.30 | jhutchins | I use vbox but haven't learned much about it because it just works as expected. |
| 19:00.58 | awal1 | somiaj, vbox manages bridge networking automatically, I never configured bridge net. in the past bridging works fine just activating bridge adapter in vbox guest net. settings |
| 19:00.59 | RoyK | Ascavasaion: really, learning to administer the system from the commandline isn't very hard, and you'll never miss the webui once you've leared it |
| 19:01.36 | awal1 | Jhutchins, I almost use vbox bcoz of full screen feature and I have better results with it |
| 19:01.55 | somiaj | awal1: just start checking the network, start on the guest and make sure it can fully see the virtual network card. |
| 19:01.57 | awal1 | qemu-kvm is always problematic here, maybe hardware or something else |
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| 19:02.07 | Ascavasaion | RoyK: I know youare correct. guess I was being lazy. |
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| 19:03.12 | RoyK | Ascavasaion: don't be - just give it a bit of time - you'll even learn something from it ;) |
| 19:04.30 | awal1 | somiaj, yeah vbox and guest detects the card. In guest net. settings I see "Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (82540EM)". that is my card |
| 19:05.34 | awal1 | spci | grep -i NET ----> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 08) ////// 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 19:05.39 | awal1 | lspci |
| 19:06.37 | awal1 | well, not sure about how vbox detects and names card |
| 19:08.02 | awal1 | jhutchins, can you try bridge adapter instead of nat for your guest if you have wi-fi? :P |
| 19:09.52 | awal1 | I don't find the vbox forum topic where this debian issue is discussed |
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| 19:12.34 | apathor | hi. for some packages running apt-get source displays a message like "NOTICE: 'uzbl' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at:" |
| 19:12.57 | apathor | is there a way of getting that repo information with apt-cache? |
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| 19:14.28 | jhutchins | apathor: No, git does not directly support apt. |
| 19:14.57 | jhutchins | apathor: Which release are you looking at? |
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| 19:16.36 | apathor | release of uzbl jhutchins? |
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| 19:17.03 | abrotman | that's not what he's asking I don't think |
| 19:17.26 | apathor | my question is: "is it possible to programatically show upstream repo URLs known to apt for a given package?" |
| 19:17.32 | abrotman | apathor: you want to find the source repo with apt-cache ? |
| 19:17.38 | apathor | yes abrotman |
| 19:18.04 | apathor | or whatever other related tool |
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| 19:19.22 | abrotman | apathor: for a specific package? |
| 19:20.00 | jhutchins | apathor: I was wondering which release of Debian you were seeing that with. I don't work with source much, but I thought stable was pretty complete. |
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| 19:20.31 | jhutchins | apathor: Does the NOTICE not give a URL at the end? |
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| 19:23.23 | CtrlC | can I install a package from buster? it doesn't seem to even be in stretch backports. |
| 19:23.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell CtrlC about ssb |
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| 19:27.06 | abrotman | apathor: I can see the information in /var/lib/apt/lists/, but I'm not sure how to search/query other than basic shell tools |
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| 19:32.13 | CtrlC | abrotman, sudo: aptitude: command not found . apt-get would be ok for build-dep? |
| 19:33.10 | apathor | hey thanks abrotman! |
| 19:33.24 | somiaj | apathor: you want the homepage or url of the soruce? |
| 19:33.47 | apathor | URL of source repo if possible somiaj, such that i could pass it to 'git clone' or similar |
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| 19:37.23 | apathor | `apt-cache showsrc "$pkg" | awk '/^Vcs/{ print $2; }' ` <- works :) |
| 19:39.08 | somiaj | not sure if that will work for all packages. Also not all packages will have git repo. |
| 19:39.43 | somiaj | The watch file in the source package mayhelp, but I think you need the source package installed for that, and it will mroe likely point to the upstream releases and not the repo. |
| 19:40.50 | somiaj | seems the Source: filed in the copyright field points to the git repo, at least on the few packages I've checked. |
| 19:41.29 | apathor | yeah the attribute name gives the package system somiaj. like 'Vcs-Bzr' |
| 19:41.55 | somiaj | but if the package is installed, grep ^Source: /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright gives the source info on the copyright |
| 19:42.05 | somiaj | unsure how to search the copyright for uninstalled packages. |
| 19:42.53 | somiaj | apathor: the packages I tested that on, that match doesn't return the upstream git repo. I didn't see it anywhere in the output of apt-cache showsrc packagename, but it could just be the packages I'm lookign at |
| 19:43.09 | vlt | Hello. When adding a new device to an md raid I got the following syslog warning: "kernel: md0: Warning: Device sdd2 is misaligned". I had just formatted the partitions using cfdisk. Any idea what might cause this? |
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| 19:47.03 | dondelelcaro | vlt: that usually means that the partition isn't aligned on sector boundaries |
| 19:47.12 | dondelelcaro | vlt: you'll want to re-partition that device to fix that |
| 19:48.14 | dondelelcaro | vlt: just guessing, you haven't put that device on 4K sector boundaries, which is pretty standard nowadays. |
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| 19:51.59 | vlt | dondelelcaro: I just did a full repartitioning. I'll paste sfdisk's output ... |
| 19:53.18 | vlt | dondelelcaro: http://termbin.com/2l49 |
| 19:53.27 | vlt | (fdisk -l) |
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| 19:56.33 | vlt | Is that 4K-aligned? If not how can I improve this? |
| 19:58.17 | jelly | vlt, recent fdisk aligns to 1MiB so you're safe there |
| 19:58.54 | vlt | jelly: So why did the kernel complain about misalignment? |
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| 19:59.43 | jelly | vlt, I have no idea what that message means precisely. Maybe ask in #linux-raid channel. |
| 19:59.52 | vlt | jelly: Thanks. |
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| 20:02.17 | jelly | vlt, one possibility is the kernel still sees old partition table and md used that. You could destroy md0, reboot, create it again and see if the warning appears anew |
| 20:03.27 | vlt | jelly: I re-read the partition layout but will try that. Thanks. |
| 20:03.28 | jelly | (roughly: mdadm --stop /dev/md0, then mdadm --zero-superblock on its members, and make sure old array is not present in mdadm.conf) |
| 20:03.37 | jelly | vlt, did the reread succeed? |
| 20:04.02 | vlt | jelly: At least I got no error message. I'll try again. |
| 20:05.13 | jelly | yeah, if it failed due to a partition being in use the tool used would have probably complained (at least fdisk and blockdev --rereadpt do). |
| 20:07.41 | dondelelcaro | vlt: yeah, those partitions look good to me too; hopefully rebuilding it after zeroing the superblock helped |
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| 20:11.21 | vlt | I doublechecked that the partitions were re-read by first deleting all of them (confirmed by jounalctl) and then recreate them. |
| 20:11.31 | vlt | I still get the warning :-/ |
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| 20:15.59 | Pr0metheus | I ssh to another computer and run a spatialite (like sql lite) query, I didn't know that if I disconnect I can't reconnect. Any idea if the execution might have cancelled after I got disconnected? Is this possible or is it running as a ghost session? |
| 20:16.50 | dondelelcaro | Pr0metheus: assuming that the program handles SIGHUP properly, it should stop |
| 20:18.18 | vlt | Pr0metheus: If you have to do things like this occasionally you might want to have a look at tmux (or screen). |
| 20:18.43 | Pr0metheus | vlth thanks I checked it afterwards, wasn't aware of it |
| 20:18.53 | rant | what would you recommend to play a dvd in Stretch? mplayer seemed to play but I think I got the command line wrong it only played the FBI warning then exited and vlc doesnt seem to do anything |
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| 20:20.25 | Pr0metheus | rant I've used the gnome videos with no problem |
| 20:20.58 | Pr0metheus | rant sorry dvd, did you try vlc? |
| 20:20.58 | rant | hmm.. I know to what you refer but nfc what its package name is |
| 20:20.58 | awal1 | rant, mpv |
| 20:21.23 | rant | mpv might be a good one to try |
| 20:21.44 | awal1 | try it (you also have gnome-mpv) |
| 20:21.49 | awal1 | ,v gnome-mpv |
| 20:21.50 | judd | Package: gnome-mpv on amd64 -- stretch: 0.11-1; buster: 0.13-1; sid: 0.13-1 |
| 20:22.09 | awal1 | ^ a gtk (gnome) front-end for mpv |
| 20:22.19 | jelly | I don't see info about eg. glibc source tree in either *Packages or *Sources |
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| 21:13.10 | kingsley | Where, if anywhere, is the total number of people using Linux credibly documented? |
| 21:15.27 | tw | total number? probably nowhere. maybe ask in #linux |
| 21:15.29 | awal1 | kingsley, not really, just approximate statistics. but, does that matters, really? |
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| 21:15.57 | awal1 | people running gnu/linux are happy with that. just do if you are one of them |
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| 21:17.53 | Plan_IX | good afternoon gentlemen |
| 21:18.03 | sine0 | how can i tell what my mailbox is on debian cli, my mutt is empty and i should have mail |
| 21:18.18 | sine0 | exim mail log shows delivered |
| 21:19.30 | petemc | does it not say where it delivered it to? |
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| 21:20.31 | sine0 | says proc_mail |
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| 21:23.27 | jhutchins | sine0: It should be either in your $HOME folder, possibly in a hidden folder, or it's all in /var/spool/mail. |
| 21:23.31 | petn-randall | kingsley: I'd say it's hard to measure. Do you also count every Android user? What about servers? |
| 21:23.41 | jhutchins | sine0: You need to figure out if your doing mbox or maildir. |
| 21:23.53 | sine0 | jhutchins: cant i echo out the bash var |
| 21:24.16 | sine0 | I seem to remember there is a $MAIL |
| 21:24.20 | petemc | echo $MAIL , but mutt would have checked there |
| 21:24.27 | jhutchins | kingsley: Where would that information come from? You don't need a license, you don't have to register it. |
| 21:24.45 | jhutchins | sine0: Why not just try it? |
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| 21:25.06 | jhutchins | sine0: Environment variables aren't always set. |
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| 21:28.58 | sine0 | ok so i found the emails in ~/Maildir/new |
| 21:29.18 | sine0 | so I guess i need to setup mutt to look in there, or edit my env var |
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| 21:47.59 | sine0 | set it in bashrc all is good in the hood |
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| 22:37.49 | oo_miguel | ls -l |
| 22:37.49 | Ascavasaion | I have a ome made NAS with 32TB RAID5 on it. the computer has an onboard 1Gb NIC. I popped another 1Gb NIC into it. Is it viable to "bridge" them, not sure what one would call it. In order to run say 2Gb data through it? Is it possible, viable, and worth doing? |
| 22:37.52 | oo_miguel | aaaah sorry :P |
| 22:38.29 | oo_miguel | is it possible to temporarily block all calls to 'shutdown' even from root, for example when an automatic backup is running? |
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| 22:39.45 | strangeqargo | oo_miguel: chmod -x on cron as a crude way? |
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| 22:40.01 | oo_miguel | hmm maybe I could rename the /sbin/shutdown symbolic link... |
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| 22:41.44 | markvandenborre | Ascavasaion: bonding is the term you want |
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| 22:41.53 | Ascavasaion | markvandenborre: Thank you. |
| 22:42.01 | oo_miguel | strangeqargo: /sbin/shutdown -> /bin/systemctl its a symbolic links so -x will affect systemctl completely |
| 22:42.24 | markvandenborre | Ascavasaion: can't help you on the practical feasability, but at least you'll be able to search more efficiently |
| 22:42.46 | strangeqargo | oo_miguel: oh god |
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| 22:44.33 | Ascavasaion | markvandenborre: Thank you! |
| 22:44.53 | oo_miguel | I will alias /sbin/shutdown and do some checks before running the real one |
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| 22:51.59 | jan_nabot | Hi! I've got two hosts on local wireless network, both with Debian / X / Openbox. I am looking for way to use keyboard of first host as keyboard of second host without VNC, X forwarding or creating new graphical session for that purpose. 'Just' sending keystrokes. Any ideas? |
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| 22:57.29 | hashem | jan_nabot: usbip? |
| 22:59.37 | vlt | jan_nabot: Thereâs also x2x. |
| 22:59.55 | Devastator | when ifconfig was dropped from default packages? just curious |
| 23:00.17 | vlt | jan_nabot: And synergy. |
| 23:00.21 | abrotman | synergy ? |
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| 23:03.08 | jan_nabot | All of mentioned solutions seem to have their own merit, going to check Synergy first. Thank you all! |
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| 23:03.27 | tw | proprietary app, does windows/osx/x11 kbd/mouse sharing. |
| 23:03.42 | tw | nm, appears to be gpl. |
| 23:04.00 | tw | I've only used the precompiled version in windows. |
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| 23:06.42 | rant | jan_nabot: synergy |
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| 23:07.13 | rant | oh.. that was sai d already.. |
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