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| 00:07.18 | teatime | ryouma: wrt #2... why wouldn't it be readable on Windows? |
| 00:07.34 | ryouma | teatime: i don't know, just want to make sure it wil be |
| 00:07.46 | ryouma | maybe linux has its own standards or something, what do i know? |
| 00:07.56 | teatime | nope; that will work fine on windows. |
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| 00:08.21 | ryouma | what can i do to include full filenames and preferably paths too? |
| 00:09.00 | ryouma | or should i give up on that? |
| 00:10.10 | teatime | I don't think you're going to be able to, but I am far from an expert |
| 00:10.13 | iWaldo_ | no advice to offer but just curious about what sort of files have 60 character names--are they auto-generated database stuff? |
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| 00:11.14 | ryouma | lab reports with notes about some of the things tested in them |
| 00:11.38 | ryouma | actually the names are much shorter, 60 is upper limit |
| 00:11.43 | iWaldo_ | does it make any sense to rename the files and create a reference to what is contained within? |
| 00:12.11 | rant | I'm no expert on cds either but as I recall the original ISO spec was more like an msdos/fat filesystem that was later extended for stuff like that |
| 00:13.11 | iWaldo_ | if i had a giant batch of experimental data that i'd used filenames to categorize i think that i'd probably normalize the file names to something consistent and create and index of some sort to point at the meaning of the files |
| 00:13.25 | iWaldo_ | create an* index |
| 00:13.29 | ryouma | it's not like that |
| 00:13.31 | teatime | there is a an option to allow even longer names w/ Joliet extensions, but it says it's non-standard & use with caution... so I would skip that and rename my files. |
| 00:14.04 | ryouma | indexes get out of sync and are overkill. it's just my habit to use long filenames to describe what is in teh files. they look like 2014-03-07-final-mold-food-crp.pdf or so. the notes are for myself really but i don't want to have to go to great lengths just to burn the cd. |
| 00:14.22 | teatime | yeah, I do the same thing exactly |
| 00:14.26 | teatime | but CDs suck |
| 00:14.36 | ryouma | so what's the max i can use? |
| 00:14.41 | ryouma | and are pathnames included in it? |
| 00:15.02 | teatime | 64 unicode characters, for the filenames, I beleive |
| 00:15.18 | teatime | and I beleive there is maximum length to the whole path, but not sure or not sure what it would be, don't see it mentioned in this manpage |
| 00:15.21 | iWaldo_ | same--just seems like it might be worth the trouble to create some sort of an indexing system. it'd be a pain at first but as you tweaked it to your liking it might become easier and useful |
| 00:15.42 | teatime | -joliet-long is the non-standard option I mentioned, allowing up to 103 unicode chars |
| 00:15.48 | iWaldo_ | windows has 256 max char path i think? |
| 00:15.51 | iWaldo_ | something like that |
| 00:15.54 | teatime | "This breaks the Joliet specifications, but appears to work." |
| 00:16.09 | ryouma | so the options i am using in my command above are standard? i don't want to take risks here. |
| 00:16.17 | teatime | you probably need -l too |
| 00:16.19 | iWaldo_ | 260* just looked it up |
| 00:16.24 | teatime | yes, -r and -J are fine |
| 00:16.31 | teatime | desirable |
| 00:17.36 | ryouma | ok, maybe -l will be readable on modern windows yet give me more filenames. looks like 8.3 is the default? not sure. |
| 00:17.59 | iWaldo_ | unless you've got some crazy paths in windows it seems like the 60 char filenames should be fine |
| 00:18.42 | iWaldo_ | again out of curiosity--what are you working on? |
| 00:19.57 | ryouma | seems -l works, but truncates to this length "2014_02_21__various__final_.pdf" and changes - to _. |
| 00:20.08 | ryouma | (when i mount the iso) |
| 00:20.19 | ryouma | it's just some labs to send to a doctor |
| 00:21.50 | ryouma | actually i'm already concerned that my notes might make the doctor thinkt hat is /all/ that is tested, so i might have to just make everything be the date but in case not i want to know what i can do to burn what i have (and if i change everything then i have to keep originals around) |
| 00:24.13 | iWaldo_ | oh--sorry--i read "lab" as some sort of experimental thing. hope you're doing alright |
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| 00:27.46 | Howie69 | ewww.. |
| 00:27.52 | Howie69 | it got attached as sd2 |
| 00:27.59 | Howie69 | sorry, sg2 |
| 00:28.38 | Howie69 | ah, disk is sdb |
| 00:29.48 | ryouma | if i can't have my original filenames then i guess i have to shorten to just date, type of collection, and sequence |
| 00:29.49 | Howie69 | eww... |
| 00:30.03 | Howie69 | partition table unknown |
| 00:30.23 | Howie69 | if I use testdisk, should I recreate the partition table first then run it> |
| 00:30.25 | Howie69 | ? |
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| 02:19.41 | awal1 | somiaj, I got bridge working in vbox; nothing special, just enable 'bridge adapter' in vm settings before installing the guest (on that vm) :P |
| 02:21.19 | awal1 | now I can connect my guest to my router separately, with its own ip/mac addr |
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| 02:27.23 | sonnie | hi guys, my chrome browser has Royals installed. Could someone tell me how to remove it ? |
| 02:27.41 | sonnie | These ads are really annoying. |
| 02:32.11 | awal1 | sonnie, Royals? |
| 02:32.18 | awal1 | what is that? |
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| 02:33.22 | awal1 | and chrome or chromium? |
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| 02:37.16 | sonnie | awal1, I disabled some extensions and it works fine now |
| 02:38.26 | sonnie | ads by Royal Raid appear when googling |
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| 03:05.11 | expert975 | How can I disable the login manager? I would like to see the CLI at boot. |
| 03:08.26 | awal1 | systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
| 03:08.37 | awal1 | expert975 ^ |
| 03:08.43 | awal1 | !nodm |
| 03:08.43 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
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| 03:09.19 | awal1 | oh, he left :D |
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| 09:10.00 | JustASlacker | for one, its way too cold |
| 09:10.04 | JustASlacker | also, I have to work |
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| 10:00.11 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
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| 10:01.02 | ychaouche | Yesterday at 10:41 AM local time, I noticed services started to reload on my mail server. What could have started that ? here's ane excerpt from syslog : https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/bc706e958db79d03a5a138a366445bd3/raw/66fdbe8ac3e25b29a7699834e814ae2166a4c0d0/gistfile1.txt |
| 10:03.09 | alkisg | ychaouche: check your /var/log/apt/history.log, did you get any updates at that time? |
| 10:04.11 | ychaouche | I didn't save apt/history.log, I need to go down to the servers room and physically access the machine and see if that could have started it. |
| 10:04.17 | ychaouche | But I didn't issue the update myself. |
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| 10:12.45 | ychaouche | forums.debian.net : 500 error when I try to open a new discussion. |
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| 10:14.49 | Iridos | the machine just booted at 10:41? |
| 10:14.49 | aindilis | can anyone recommend inexpensive online backup, as well as inexpensive virtual machine hosting, colocation, and web hosting? |
| 10:14.59 | Iridos | what's before the first line |
| 10:17.05 | Iridos | oh, it repeats at 10:47 |
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| 10:19.21 | Iridos | fun |
| 10:21.02 | ychaouche | Iridos: the systemd reload line repeats 27 times |
| 10:21.12 | ychaouche | Iridos: the machine was up for months. |
| 10:22.01 | JustASlacker | hrm |
| 10:22.05 | Iridos | I can trigger a similar reload with either kill -HUP 1 or with systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 10:22.16 | JustASlacker | Ive created GPG Keys with enigmail. I can see them with GPA as well |
| 10:22.23 | JustASlacker | But gpg --list-keys is empty |
| 10:22.25 | Iridos | but that seems to be doing a lot less stuff than your system on the reload |
| 10:22.34 | JustASlacker | why cant I see them on cmdline |
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| 10:23.21 | Iridos | I'd check generally if something like memory or so was tight⦠also dmesg if there were any other messages that might be a trigger |
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| 10:24.44 | ychaouche | I can see it complaining about corrupt disk blocks |
| 10:25.09 | ychaouche | here's from /var/log/messages https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/d4f5d0564ac6ff4033b7bd0aa854be14/raw/57f0899657dd8911a3159b2e19dd4b4efdb734c1/gistfile1.txt |
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| 10:27.03 | Iridos | I don't see anything about corrupt blocks⦠it's just trying to detect the filesystem there⦠and spits errors on the ones that aren't on that disk |
| 10:27.47 | Iridos | maybe ask the systemd people in #systemd |
| 10:27.55 | ychaouche | already there :) |
| 10:28.21 | ychaouche | I wasn't sure if this was a debian issue or a systemd issue. |
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| 10:30.51 | ychaouche | Iridos: look at syslog excerpt, look for line reading Feb 26 10:48:21 messagerie kernel: [19100764.521993] EXT4-fs (sda2): unable to read superblock |
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| 10:35.18 | Iridos | if it doesn't have either of those filesystems on it, it wouldn't have their superblock either? |
| 10:37.36 | ychaouche | ok I didn't know that |
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| 10:38.12 | e9uj | Where can I find a amd64 iso image, ready to go on USB stick for PC install? |
| 10:39.01 | e9uj | there are many versions here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 10:39.06 | e9uj | is there a standard one? |
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| 10:39.45 | e9uj | i only see "Small CDs or USB sticks" (i don't want "small cd version"), "Tiny CDs, flexible USB sticks, etc." (don't want a tiny version) |
| 10:40.02 | e9uj | and CD versions here: https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 10:40.21 | themill | "A larger complete installation image: contains more packages, making it easier to install machines without an Internet connection." |
| 10:40.58 | e9uj | even there, there are many versions |
| 10:41.15 | themill | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 10:41.42 | themill | no, there is 1 version. |
| 10:42.12 | e9uj | there are at least 5 links there: https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 10:42.26 | e9uj | and it's up to the new user to make a choice among "jigdo" etc. |
| 10:42.38 | e9uj | which a new user wouldn't know about |
| 10:42.46 | BCMM | e9uj: right, you want an image you can write to usb, so you can install debian? |
| 10:43.02 | e9uj | so IMHO it could/should be more user friendly |
| 10:43.02 | themill | e9uj: you were looking at https://www.debian.org/distrib/ there's one link to a small image and one link to a large image |
| 10:43.14 | BCMM | e9uj: you have the choice of a "complete" image, which will allow you to install on a machine with no internet connection, but involves downloading a bunch of stuff you don't need |
| 10:43.23 | Epakai | all the information is there, you just have to read the page |
| 10:43.23 | themill | everyone loves to redesign the download page. it never makes it better |
| 10:43.35 | BCMM | e9uj: or a small image, which will download just the packages you need during the installation |
| 10:43.37 | e9uj | BCMM: no, the first link points to 2 versions ("small" and "tiny") |
| 10:43.44 | e9uj | whereas the second offers 5 links |
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| 10:43.54 | e9uj | of course, when we know about debian, we know which one to choose |
| 10:44.06 | BCMM | the word "tiny" does not occur on https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 10:44.11 | e9uj | for from the prospective of a new user, one can easily be a bit lost |
| 10:44.13 | themill | e9uj: are you actually trying to solve a problem here? |
| 10:44.30 | e9uj | themill: i've used debian since more than 10 years |
| 10:44.39 | themill | or are we just going to have yet another unproductive bitching session about the download page/ |
| 10:44.53 | e9uj | but now that i'm visiting the download page again, i notice it's very obscure from the prospective of a new user |
| 10:44.58 | BCMM | e9uj: basically that ^ - do you want help, or are you roleplaying a clueless person to try to illustrate a perceived problem with debian? |
| 10:45.07 | themill | Submitting patches > talking. |
| 10:45.33 | e9uj | BCMM: 90% of the time, i'm installing debian from VPS provider, so i don't have to access the download page |
| 10:45.47 | e9uj | but now that i'm seeing the download page after a few years |
| 10:45.57 | BCMM | people installing debian on a vps provider should know what they're doing |
| 10:46.03 | BCMM | or they should get somebody who does to do it for them |
| 10:46.07 | e9uj | believe me or not, take my 2cts of advice or not, |
| 10:46.18 | e9uj | but the download page should be more user friendly |
| 10:46.22 | themill | e9uj: there is not a single person here is going to act on your advice |
| 10:46.27 | BCMM | e9uj: get a mac. |
| 10:46.30 | e9uj | i know |
| 10:46.36 | e9uj | why are you getting offended like that? |
| 10:46.37 | themill | e9uj: those who can, already know it's an issue |
| 10:46.46 | e9uj | there is no offence at all |
| 10:46.54 | e9uj | i love debian and use it since more than a decade |
| 10:46.59 | e9uj | really, no offense meant. |
| 10:47.20 | e9uj | i want the best, and i just felt a bit lost on the download page even if i'm a "returning customer" |
| 10:47.20 | BCMM | fact is, all of those installation images are useful |
| 10:47.35 | themill | Congratulations on telling people something they already knew and not helping the people who have asked for help with this. |
| 10:47.50 | BCMM | and if they started hiding some of them away in the name of "user friendliness", this user would find the site harder to use |
| 10:48.16 | e9uj | themill: "not helping people who have asked for help with this" => who are they? |
| 10:48.33 | themill | e9uj: the people who actually look after the website. None of them are in this channel. |
| 10:48.58 | themill | the debian-www mailing list is the place to send patches. |
| 10:49.13 | e9uj | why are you reacting like that, kind of aggressive, whereas i'm only sharing a personal point of view, with only good intentions? |
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| 10:49.17 | e9uj | i don't see the point... |
| 10:49.45 | BCMM | i don't see the problem with expecting people who are capable of installing an operating system to know whether they have an internet connection or not tbh |
| 10:50.15 | e9uj | BCMM: the problem is simple: |
| 10:50.24 | BCMM | there's a completely clear default on that page - the one click on the big text at the top that says "Download an installation image" |
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| 10:50.58 | e9uj | download main page: 2 LINKS (this is ok). Enter LINK1, 2 links: choose among "Small" or "Tiny" (scratching head, which one should I use??) |
| 10:51.04 | themill | e9uj: there is nothing you have shared that is useful. All you're doing is telling us about bugs that are known, just like everyone else does. |
| 10:51.07 | e9uj | Enter LINK2, 5 links: which one should I use? |
| 10:51.14 | themill | e9uj: please stop, it's just boring |
| 10:51.32 | themill | Real patches are great. Vaporware is not. |
| 10:51.46 | BCMM | e9uj: the problem is that you come in here pretending you have an actual problem we can help you with ("Where can I find a amd64 iso image, ready to go on USB stick for PC install?"), and then when well-meaning people try to help you, you tell them you don't really have a problem, but somebody somewhere might |
| 10:52.17 | themill | When it comes to making the patches, you'll find it's a bit more complicated than you think. Good thing people who know what they're talking about are doing something about it already |
| 10:52.24 | BCMM | frankly that's just taking up support resources to make yourself feel important |
| 10:52.40 | e9uj | come on, i don't care about feeling important lol |
| 10:52.53 | e9uj | why do you assume people are bad, by default? |
| 10:53.00 | e9uj | i came with the best feelings |
| 10:53.01 | e9uj | :/ |
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| 10:54.03 | themill | e9uj: as I tried to explain 10 min ago, you're not offering anything new to the discussion. You're just repeating stuff that might seem new to you but is old and tedious to everyone else |
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| 10:56.12 | themill | Real patches, on the other hand, would be awesome. |
| 10:56.26 | e9uj | Welll.......... If you find that it's normal to have a dowload page with 2 links, the first link letting the user choose among "small" and "tiny", (and not knowing which one to choose? do I want small or tiny? i don't know), the second link (https://www.debian.org/CD/) letting the user choose among 5 other links (implying a choose between unknowns terms: jigdo, etc.), i.e. A choice between 7 |
| 10:56.26 | e9uj | possible good links, when we want to install a debian... well if you find this is good. Then let it be! If you don't see problem with that, then you're probably not the right persons to speak about UI/UX, and please ignore my messages. |
| 10:56.53 | e9uj | Discussion closed, good bye. |
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| 10:56.55 | themill | doesn't look like a patch that can be applied. |
| 10:57.02 | e9uj | But it's *not* like like it should be. |
| 10:57.03 | e9uj | Bye. |
| 10:57.29 | BCMM | e9uj: pretending you need support is not how you get to speak to "the right person" |
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| 10:58.02 | BCMM | right off the bat, it practically guarantees you're having this conversation with somebody who does not want to have this conversation |
| 10:58.03 | e9uj | Identifying the real weaknesses is already a first step to solution (weakness is: too many choices that are presented equally to the new user) |
| 10:58.22 | e9uj | exactly. |
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| 10:58.34 | themill | Wrong venue. Still. |
| 10:58.45 | themill | Already identified. Still. |
| 10:59.07 | e9uj | Passive agressive behaviour, such a shame. |
| 10:59.33 | e9uj | i came with best intention, i wanted to provide a download page mockup with ideas etc. |
| 10:59.33 | themill | Annoyed at having the same conversation again. This is all unactionable. What's the point in having it |
| 10:59.41 | e9uj | but such kind of reaction is really annoying |
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| 10:59.48 | themill | Great, do so. To the people who actually look after the website. |
| 10:59.58 | e9uj | "how to destroy people's good intentions by acting passively aggressive" |
| 11:00.12 | Iridos | ychaouche, it's definitely just trying different FS's. I think that message would also be produced if the wrong filesystem was probed⦠definitely though, if the partition was just unformatted |
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| 11:00.26 | e9uj | "This is all unactionable. What's the point in having it" |
| 11:00.29 | themill | I've tried pointing you to the right people again and again. There is no-one here to help you |
| 11:00.47 | themill | #debian is the most useless place to have this conversation. |
| 11:00.47 | e9uj | Come on, are you *really* into opensource with such kind of principles?? |
| 11:01.02 | e9uj | ok i'll have this discussion about debian on #windows, maybe? |
| 11:01.26 | themill | talking about the design of www.debian.org in #windows makes about as much sense as talking about it here. |
| 11:01.48 | themill | Seriously. This is a user support channel. We do user support questions here. This is not a user support question. |
| 11:02.04 | themill | Please take the hint and pour your energy into doing this with the people who can help you do it |
| 11:02.21 | e9uj | Makes me sad about how people react with positive propositions. Never mind. |
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| 11:02.30 | BCMM | e9uj: i suspect you honestly don't see this as trolling, but read back on your first messages and *think about what you're doing* |
| 11:02.43 | e9uj | Have a good day, maybe it was just me. |
| 11:02.49 | e9uj | My excuses. |
| 11:02.50 | BCMM | which is pretending you don't know what's going on to try to get a specific reaction out of people |
| 11:03.02 | e9uj | But the core of what I said IS valid, and you know it is. |
| 11:03.29 | themill | sure. and #debian can't do anything about it. |
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| 11:03.51 | themill | As I said, this is already known. Please stop thinking that you're reporting a bug |
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| 11:05.28 | e9uj | "Let's discuss about the way he arrived in his first message, and about the fact #debian is not the right place to speak about debian, and let's forget to discuss about the *real genuine topic*, which is: the download page is incredibly uneffective to new users, with more than 7 impossible choices to do, when one doesn't even know all the terms like jingdo, *small vs. tiny*". |
| 11:05.30 | themill | A thousand duplicate bug reports in the bug tracker also aren't useful ICYMI |
| 11:05.50 | themill | e9uj: #debian does nothing with the website. Please talk to the people who do |
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| 11:06.39 | themill | *sigh* is just asking the debian-www people really that impossible? |
| 11:06.44 | ychaouche | Iridos: looking at the auth.log file, I found a cnx from one of our admins. They said they did nothing, but I better inspect the .bash_history |
| 11:07.17 | ychaouche | Iridos: I suspect they didn't know what they were doing. |
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| 11:07.57 | SirLagz | themill: seems so. |
| 11:09.08 | ychaouche | Guys, I would like to have a desktop notification each time a specific user opens a session on a remote server. Any ideas on what would be a good way to do this ? |
| 11:09.25 | ychaouche | forget about desktop notif, an e-mail is just fine. |
| 11:10.08 | alkisg | ` man pam_exec` may help, it gives you the ability to run a command on login |
| 11:10.23 | ychaouche | alkisg: thanks a lot. Will be checking it soon. |
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| 11:46.25 | Crash | Hi guys, is there anyone facing problems running the last version of network-manager-pptp? The version 1.2.4-2 is working fine. The version 1.2.4-5+b1 is broken, always says the password is wrong. Just to be clear i tested both version with the same configuration/credentials |
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| 11:59.02 | lupulo | Crash, download the source apt-get source network-manager-pptp, and debug it. |
| 12:00.19 | Crash | sure |
| 12:00.44 | lupulo | Crash, you could insert printf password , in the two version and see the difference. |
| 12:01.14 | lupulo | sure exists a comment |
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| 12:01.37 | Crash | lupulo, yeap. I will try it later |
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| 12:01.39 | Crash | thanks |
| 12:01.42 | domovoy | hi |
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| 12:02.17 | themill | Crash: the +b1 is for being rebuilt against a newer version of ppp |
| 12:03.04 | Crash | themill, Ahh i see! |
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| 12:05.02 | themill | and looking at ppp bugs turns up #891413 |
| 12:05.03 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/891413 in src:ppp (closed, confirmed): «ppp: MS-CHAP authentication broken»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-02-25; last modified: 2018-02-25. |
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| 12:06.07 | themill | Do you have ppp 2.4.7-2+2? |
| 12:08.50 | domovoy | using oldstable, i have a php project that need GuzzleHttp\\Client. i installed php-guzzlehttp and php-guzzlehttp-doc. if i "require('GuzzleHttp/Client.php');" it does find it, but complains about classes not defined (from other guzzlehttp includes). The doc only talks about using it with composer, which of course would create the needed autoload. But how to use the _debian_ package php lib? |
| 12:09.22 | Crash | themill, Checking it now |
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| 12:12.06 | domovoy | meaning: i don't want to use composer or have it put the lib in my project directory, i want to use the lib provided by the debian package |
| 12:12.19 | Crash | themill, 2.4.7-2+1 |
| 12:13.03 | themill | Crash: so if it's that same bug that judd mentioned, then that's fixed in the newer package. You might need to manually download it to get the fix |
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| 12:13.08 | somiaj | ,v php-guzzlehttp |
| 12:13.09 | judd | Package: php-guzzlehttp on amd64 -- jessie: 5.0.1-1; sid: 6.2.1-1 |
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| 12:13.25 | Crash | themill, thanks a lot! I will try it! |
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| 12:14.18 | somiaj | domovoy: could the version in jessie not be compadable with your app, and you need a newer version of php-guzzlehttp than debian provides? |
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| 12:16.01 | somiaj | domovoy: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823502 -- this is why it was removed from stretch, maybe this has something to do with it too. |
| 12:16.02 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/823502 in src:php-guzzlehttp (open): «Useless in Debian»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-05-05; last modified: 2016-05-05. |
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| 12:18.42 | Crash | themill, Thanks a lot man! It worked! |
| 12:19.05 | themill | excellent! |
| 12:19.07 | domovoy | somiaj> don't think so, php only complains about "Interface 'GuzzleHttp\\ClientInterface' not found in /usr/share/php/GuzzleHttp/Client.php". Which is defined in "/usr/share/php/GuzzleHttp/ClientInterface.php", which i can also require i guess, but then, do i need to require _every_ file one by one? should not the package take of it by itself? |
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| 12:19.49 | domovoy | s/take of it/take care of it/ |
| 12:20.14 | somiaj | domovoy: actually just seems that nothign really depends on the package, not that it was broken. It could be that the package just didn't get much use and you are running across a bug in it. |
| 12:20.56 | somiaj | domovoy: if you add a Require to /usr/share/php/GuzzleHttp/Client.php does it fix it? |
| 12:22.25 | domovoy | crap, why does people insist on using exotic libs or stuff like composer (which may be nice, but makes the distro packaging useless, and i like distro packages) |
| 12:24.42 | domovoy | somiaj> then it complains about missing "'GuzzleHttp\\Event\\HasEmitterInterface'", my guess is that _no_ require dep is done, which would be ok if an autoloader where provided, but i can't seem to find one |
| 12:25.20 | somiaj | it just seems you are using a package that doens't get much use in debian. I don't know enough to say you are running across a bug or it is a configuration issue. |
| 12:26.09 | somiaj | but since it has been removed from stable, you might want to find a workaroudn that works best for you in jessie |
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| 12:26.37 | domovoy | somiaj> guess i'll have to go with composer then... |
| 12:28.02 | ychaouche | Iridos: you were about system update, here's what I found in the bash_history file : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/f1847b542c19c47a931832503758a989 |
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| 12:29.09 | becks` | hi, is it somehow possible to killall processes which are in S+ state? |
| 12:30.37 | ychaouche | here's quick and dirty : ps ax | grep S+ | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill |
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| 12:36.18 | becks` | woah thanks ychaouche :D |
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| 12:36.57 | ychaouche | np |
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| 12:43.43 | g0zzy | Against my better judgement, i tried installing my own desktop-base theme and then (since there's no gui-based method of configuring the lock screen) decided to use update-alternatives. I've now borked the desktop-lockscreen.xml link. How do i reinstate the default alternative? "update-alternatives: error: cannot stat file '/etc/alternatives/desktop-lockscreen.xml': Too many levels of symbolic links" |
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| 12:46.55 | Iridos | it's pointing on itself⦠|
| 12:46.58 | Iridos | probably |
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| 12:48.46 | Iridos | you can just remove it at that point⦠|
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| 12:53.57 | g0zzy | It was. I've tried to manually point to an existing 'proper' location |
| 12:55.57 | g0zzy | Iridos: Wouldn't removal of the link make the desktop lockscreen unusable? |
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| 13:02.04 | Iridos | you mean more unusable than a soft-link pointing to itself? |
| 13:02.29 | g0zzy | I'll try it |
| 13:02.32 | Iridos | I guess you can have update-alternatives re-make it after you removed it. |
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| 13:02.49 | g0zzy | The docs are confusing me ;) |
| 13:03.11 | Iridos | and it's probably already a bug that it balked on the wrong soft-link |
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| 13:05.03 | g0zzy | Actually all that happens when you delete the link pointing to itself is that it gets reinstated after refusing to config the alternative! |
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| 13:07.39 | g0zzy | This happens _after_ i deleted the link: http://paste.debian.net/1012220/ |
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| 13:15.19 | g0zzy | Iridos: would reinstalling desktop-base sort it out do you think? |
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| 13:16.57 | g0zzy | Actually - scratch that - it's too disruptive since it would require reinstallation of the whole desktop. |
| 13:17.11 | BanHammor | g0zzy, do other lockscreen options also give you the same result? |
| 13:17.26 | BanHammor | e.g. "joy-theme" |
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| 13:18.54 | g0zzy | So you mean - try choosing the joy-theme one? |
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| 13:20.59 | BanHammor | yes |
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| 13:23.49 | g0zzy | That fails too |
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| 13:26.05 | BanHammor | apt reinstall <whatever package provides one of these lockscreens>? |
| 13:26.16 | g0zzy | I've now made the following: desktop-lockscreen.xml -> /usr/share/desktop-base/lines-theme/lockscreen/gnome-background.xml |
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| 13:26.36 | g0zzy | That of course in /etc/alternatives |
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| 13:29.22 | donald | I want to get all the dependencies to install offline from a usb key to another computer. Do you know a command to get all the dependencies? I have too many packages to install to list them 1 by 1. |
| 13:29.40 | donald | I will use dpkg -i$ |
| 13:29.44 | donald | dpkg -i |
| 13:29.44 | dpkg | donald: I give up, what is it? |
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| 13:30.07 | donald | dpkg the package I want to install? |
| 13:30.08 | dpkg | donald: wish i knew |
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| 13:30.57 | donald | dpkg what? |
| 13:30.57 | dpkg | This! |
| 13:31.01 | jelly | donald: set up a chroot with a base system. then apt-get -d install everything you want in there. then copy those and preferably make a local repo and use apt to install, not dpkg. |
| 13:31.16 | g0zzy | BanHammor: Thanks - i think reinstallation sorted it out |
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| 13:38.37 | donald | jelly so I do: online#chroot /dev/sda1 /newFolder; online#apt install -d eclipse-cdt; #offline apt install eclipse; ? |
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| 13:45.35 | donald | jelly I checked chroot but honestly it looks hard. Are you sure there is not any software to do it easily? |
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| 13:52.50 | jelly | donald: there's apt-zip and some others, but I don't know which one is up to date and works best |
| 13:53.28 | jelly | ,i apt-offline |
| 13:53.29 | judd | Package apt-offline (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: offline APT package manager. Version: 1.7.2; Size: 61.1k; Installed: 311k; Homepage: http://apt-offline.alioth.debian.org |
| 13:53.32 | jelly | ,i apt-zip |
| 13:53.33 | judd | No package named 'apt-zip' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 13:53.43 | jelly | oh, that one is gone then |
| 13:56.33 | Iridos | yes⦠I updated the factoid recently⦠|
| 13:56.35 | Iridos | dpkg, apt-zip |
| 13:56.36 | dpkg | apt-zip has been removed post-wheezy (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815456) see alternatives like <apt offline> or <apt-walkabout> |
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| 13:56.48 | Iridos | the others seem to still exist at least |
| 13:57.47 | jelly | donald: a debian chroot is not too hard to create with debootstrap. |
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| 13:57.56 | optraz | how to install opencl driver? |
| 13:58.00 | donald | good new (for me) I found how to make a script to download offfline with synaptic :) |
| 13:58.08 | donald | I did not test it yet |
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| 14:00.23 | Iridos | if you can at least update the repo info on the machine or have an identical machine with internet around, you can also always do apt-get --print-uris install yourpackage and download the stuff |
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| 14:16.05 | NINEONEONE | How can I install 64-bit virtual box on debian stretch? |
| 14:16.48 | Ool | NINEONEONE: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
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| 14:17.03 | NINEONEONE | I tried to install but I got 32-bit |
| 14:17.42 | jelly | NINEONEONE: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say on your system? |
| 14:18.11 | NINEONEONE | amd64 |
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| 14:20.37 | NINEONEONE | Thx Ool, before I tried to install from repo. |
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| 14:21.33 | Ool | NINEONEONE: try again :) |
| 14:21.37 | Ool | too late |
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| 14:23.40 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 14:36.23 | NINEONEONE | Ool: Still got 32-bit |
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| 14:36.59 | Iridos | why don't you use the debian package |
| 14:37.06 | Ool | NINEONEONE: you tried with add the repo ? or you click too times on the 32bits package |
| 14:37.08 | Ool | ? |
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| 14:37.45 | Iridos | we don't recommend installing software that is in the debian repos from sources without them |
| 14:38.31 | NINEONEONE | Iridos: Because those virtualbox only supports 32-bit and I'm trying to install 64-bit OS |
| 14:38.34 | greycat | Iridos: which package? Are you sure it's actually in stretch? |
| 14:39.10 | donald | I was downloading a package with synaptic when I got an error. Now I get that http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8356585c at any download |
| 14:39.16 | donald | what is wrong? |
| 14:39.27 | Iridos | greycat, the backlog on virtualbox |
| 14:39.34 | greycat | ,v virtualbox |
| 14:39.35 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.6-dfsg-5; sid/contrib: |
| 14:39.36 | judd | 5.2.6-dfsg-5 |
| 14:39.45 | greycat | As I hinted, not in stretch. It's in backports. |
| 14:39.59 | NINEONEONE | Ool: No, I've download amd64 |
| 14:40.28 | Iridos | oh |
| 14:40.58 | towo^work | NINEONEONE, vbox 64bit guests need vt-x/amd-v available on the host |
| 14:41.12 | towo^work | NINEONEONE, otherwise you only can use 32bit guests |
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| 14:43.11 | NINEONEONE | towo^work: So I've to enable vt-x/amd-v inorder to use 64-bit |
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| 14:43.36 | towo^work | NINEONEONE, exact |
| 14:45.36 | NINEONEONE | towo^work: Alright then, thx. |
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| 14:51.21 | NINEONEONE | towo^work: It's enabled. I'm getting a bunch of outputs from this "grep --color -E "vmx|svm" /proc/cpuinfo", still no 64-bit. |
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| 14:56.23 | towo^work | if it is used by another app, vbox can't use it |
| 14:56.46 | donald | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:57.04 | NINEONEONE | towo^work |
| 14:57.14 | NINEONEONE | towo^work |
| 14:57.24 | greycat | donald: I only see 4 "W:" (warning) lines. Ignore them? |
| 14:57.41 | NINEONEONE | How do I know if another app is using it? |
| 14:58.01 | towo^work | depends |
| 14:58.18 | donald | greycat are you sure? |
| 14:58.19 | towo^work | what host you have? |
| 14:58.42 | greycat | No, I'm not sure of anything. Is there an actual *problem* you're having? Are there errors, or just the warnings? Is stuff working? |
| 14:59.22 | NINEONEONE | I'm running debian Debian GNU/Linux 9.3 (stretch) |
| 14:59.39 | towo^work | i speak about the hardware? |
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| 14:59.56 | pZombie | hello friends |
| 15:00.21 | pZombie | i am testing debian today to see how it will work out on an old laptop |
| 15:00.37 | NINEONEONE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:00.58 | pZombie | using wheezy 7.11 - Can anyone tell me if this will allow me to install the ancient proprietary radeon mobility 9600 drivers? |
| 15:01.33 | pZombie | pentium m cpu, but that's irrelevant i guess |
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| 15:04.52 | pZombie | i am already impressed debian actually let me choose /dev/sdb which is a usb hdd made bootable as alternative for the cdrom |
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| 15:05.09 | pZombie | ubuntu would break at this point |
| 15:05.57 | Iridos | donald, that file is world-readable on my system: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root [...] /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
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| 15:06.34 | NINEONEONE | pZombie: I like how you're giving line by line commentry...please update us with more |
| 15:06.54 | donald | IridosI do not understand |
| 15:07.23 | Iridos | did you read the error you're getting? |
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| 15:07.49 | donald | yes of course |
| 15:07.53 | donald | Iridos |
| 15:07.55 | pZombie | NINEONEONE, This isn't a forum in case you missed it. This is a chat channel. People type like they speak as thoughts come into their minds |
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| 15:08.40 | pZombie | NINEONEONE, Also, where is the difference between 10 lines tuckered together and 10 lines separated? None.. |
| 15:09.00 | NINEONEONE | pZombie: Exactly and where I've said it's wrong. |
| 15:09.47 | pZombie | NINEONEONE, you don't have to say it. Why else would you mention it? |
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| 15:10.26 | NINEONEONE | PZombie: Incase I'll miss something |
| 15:10.34 | Iridos | hm, but when I make /etc/apt/trusted.gpg only readable by root, I don't get any error, as synaptic has to run as root anyway⦠not sure where your problem comes from |
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| 15:11.11 | pZombie | NINEONEONE, that sounds like a made up reason really. You won't slide out of this that easily |
| 15:11.53 | pZombie | stares at NINEONEONE |
| 15:11.58 | Iridos | uh, can you chaps come back to the technical side |
| 15:12.52 | NINEONEONE | PZombie: You should be proud of your descriptive skills, just saying. |
| 15:13.12 | NINEONEONE | Sorry, Iridos |
| 15:13.35 | pZombie | NINEONEONE, you always need to have the last word, don't you? |
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| 15:15.00 | Iridos | donald, what does ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg say on your system⦠and can root read the file? try if e.g. wc /etc/apt/trusted.gpg gives an error |
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| 15:16.37 | donald | ls -l => --rw------- root root |
| 15:16.41 | donald | Iridos |
| 15:16.44 | greycat | Root will not care, but synaptic runs some crap as _apt. Synaptic in stretch is known to be quite badly broken. But donald didn't say he had an actual PROBLEM so I didn't suggest doing abything. |
| 15:17.08 | pZombie | do i need a ssh server/dns server and or web server to browse the web? |
| 15:17.17 | donald | no |
| 15:17.22 | donald | pZombie |
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| 15:17.36 | donald | do you mean browse or be browsed? |
| 15:17.46 | Iridos | donald, well, do chmod a+r /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 15:17.46 | greycat | To browse the web you need a web browser and the ability to make TCP connections and to perform hostname address lookups. |
| 15:17.55 | pZombie | no just browse. SSH server not needed for certificates etc? |
| 15:18.03 | daishun | Can someone help me troubleshoot my wifi here? |
| 15:18.16 | greycat | You do not need ssh to browse the web unless you are planning to set up a tunnel. |
| 15:18.24 | pZombie | ohwell, going to the next step. Can always install if anything is needed i guess |
| 15:18.36 | donald | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.46 | Iridos | yes |
| 15:19.12 | greycat | #864640 |
| 15:19.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/864640 in synaptic (open): «synaptic: when modifying repository's a file named trusted.gpg is created in /etc/apt/»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-06-12; last modified: 2017-10-27. |
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| 15:20.19 | JustASlacker | Im getting a permission denied when I try to set a ipv6 address on debian8 |
| 15:20.57 | JustASlacker | any clue why that could be |
| 15:21.01 | pZombie | any reason why debian based distros would use a different directory structure than base/original debian? |
| 15:21.17 | greycat | Ask your OS channel. |
| 15:21.32 | donald | Iridos the public key is not avaible |
| 15:21.33 | pZombie | i am asking you if you can see any reason that makes sense |
| 15:21.48 | greycat | We do not know or care what hundreds of other operating systems choose to do. Ask them. |
| 15:21.56 | donald | and apt install still does not work |
| 15:22.18 | greycat | donald: #864640 suggests just deleting that file. |
| 15:22.36 | maxcell_ | Apt-get is really slow on my system. I just did a upgrade of 10 packages with apt-get upgrade. Only 2.470Kb of files. Takes long on this parts: #1 Preparing to Unpack. #2 Unpacking. Anybody knows what is going on or you noticed a big slow down on your debian apt recently/ I do have the intel-microcode for Meltdown/Spectre installed. Im using debian10 |
| 15:22.37 | greycat | Now that you have actually said there is a *problem*. |
| 15:22.37 | pZombie | greycat, i am asking in case i want to some day produce my own flavor or "distro" based on debian. Would there be any reasonable reason to NOT use the same directory structure? |
| 15:22.48 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 15:24.07 | pZombie | greycat - were those last two sentences referring to what i said? |
| 15:26.12 | donald | greycat: thank the error is down now :) |
| 15:26.57 | jelly | maxcell_: apt and dpkg can be slow if you don't have enough RAM, or if your disk is responding slowly to io (perhaps there's lots of other io going to and from it at the same time) |
| 15:27.18 | pZombie | Ok, let me ask differently then |
| 15:27.19 | maxcell_ | jelly, there isn't |
| 15:27.36 | jelly | maxcell_: is this a physical machine, a fully virtualized VM or a container? |
| 15:28.19 | jelly | greycat: be more specific in who you're plonking, people are getting confused! |
| 15:28.22 | maxcell_ | jelly, i have a partition on SSD and it's idle, only apt-get running (slowly). 8GB of ram, no Swap. I'm using BTRFS and i have this on /etc/fstab: tmpfs/var/cachetmpfs defaults,noatime00 |
| 15:28.22 | maxcell_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.24 | pZombie | Are there any performance benefits to choosing a different directory structure in certain cases compared to the standard debian one? |
| 15:28.42 | jelly | maxcell_: why are you using btrfs? |
| 15:28.47 | maxcell_ | jelly, its a regular desktop (i5 2500) |
| 15:28.50 | maxcell_ | jelly, to save space |
| 15:28.51 | greycat | dpkg, synaptic stretch is <reply>Synaptic in stretch has a bug (http://bugs.debian.org/864640). It creates /etc/apt/trusted.gpg with the wrong permissions. You may safely delete this file. |
| 15:28.52 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:29.05 | maxcell_ | jelly, btrfs doesn't have journaling |
| 15:29.31 | jelly | maxcell_: try using a more conservative filesystem type. btrfs has known issues and is not really considered ready for general use |
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| 15:29.55 | pZombie | jelly - what about ext4 i am using now? Should i reverse it ? |
| 15:30.15 | jelly | pZombie: sorry, I did not track your issue and cannot comment on it |
| 15:30.15 | maxcell_ | jelly, do you think the TMPFS /var/cache on fstab can be causing this / |
| 15:30.34 | pZombie | jelly i have no issue yet, just doing a fresh install using ext4 |
| 15:30.48 | pZombie | jelly should i go for something more conservative like ext2? |
| 15:31.05 | jelly | pZombie: that wasn't for you. |
| 15:31.37 | jelly | ext4 is a decent default if you don't know any better |
| 15:31.56 | maxcell_ | jelly, somehting withou journaling thats is safe to use/ |
| 15:32.14 | maxcell_ | jelly, do you think TMPFS on /var/cache in fstab can be causing this issue/ |
| 15:32.21 | jelly | maxcell_: don't bother, current ssds work just fine with ext4 with enabled journaling |
| 15:32.37 | maxcell_ | jelly, i have low space, i dont want journaling |
| 15:32.50 | maxcell_ | btrfs is saving me like 30% |
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| 15:33.14 | jelly | then you'll have to live with its crappy performance I guess |
| 15:33.15 | greycat | until it goes pear-shaped |
| 15:33.23 | pZombie | does any linux file system have compression built in like ntfs? |
| 15:33.36 | jelly | maxcell_: have backups if you care about that files on that installation. |
| 15:33.38 | maxcell_ | ntfs is pretty slow |
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| 15:33.56 | pZombie | that wasn't the answer to the question though |
| 15:33.58 | maxcell_ | jelly, the problem is the config files i already did |
| 15:34.10 | maxcell_ | jelly, i config sound, fstab, themes |
| 15:34.20 | maxcell_ | really sad to erase all |
| 15:34.43 | maxcell_ | but i will do it |
| 15:34.48 | maxcell_ | its really slow |
| 15:35.27 | pZombie | what if i have a hardware decompressor and compressor for ntfs |
| 15:35.32 | jelly | maxcell_: however. putting /var/cache on tmpfs is unsafe because: only files under /var/cache/ may be removed. Removing directories and their permissions WILL break things. |
| 15:35.38 | pZombie | then i could write faster to the disk than sata would allow |
| 15:35.42 | pZombie | and read faster |
| 15:36.09 | jelly | maxcell_: so you can do it, but you have to take care to save directory structure at shutdown and restore it early at boot |
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| 15:36.45 | zifxify | will this conversion work lvmonluks https://paste.debian.net/1012241/ ? |
| 15:37.12 | jelly | amd there are some things like /var/cache/debconf/ that probably should not be in /var/cache at all |
| 15:37.30 | jelly | but that's another flamewar. |
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| 15:39.46 | pZombie | i have so many questions |
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| 15:41.07 | maxcell_ | jelly, hm gess i'm lucky |
| 15:41.13 | maxcell_ | jelly, im using this since i install |
| 15:41.55 | pZombie | those packages that get installed for me without having to compile anything, will not support all my CPUs capabilities, right? Like AVX2 etc if i was to install it on a newer CPU or will they? |
| 15:41.56 | maxcell_ | i just noticed that [cfq |
| 15:42.10 | maxcell_ | i just noticed that [cfq] was activated instead of [deadline] |
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| 15:42.32 | maxcell_ | i will see if thats improve performance |
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| 15:42.52 | maxcell_ | if so, i dont need to re-format |
| 15:43.07 | pZombie | like, would it be wiser to compile certain packages from source for max performance or do most packages make use of all my CPUs capabilities? |
| 15:43.15 | elb | Hi all, something changed recently causing the permissions on /dev/kvm to change, restricting kvm use to only users in the kvm group. I cna't find it in the changelog of the packages that updated recently on this machine. Any idea what that was, an the implications of adding my user to the kvm group? |
| 15:43.49 | elb | (I'm already in the libvirt group, and libvirt works fine, but unprivileged kvm uses like the android emulator do not) |
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| 15:44.08 | elb | alternately, who knows how I can search for changes to a particular rule/file/etc. ? |
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| 15:46.46 | pZombie | ok, choosing the desktop environment install was a mistake. I thought i would just get a minimal X install but it is install the whole gnome desktop |
| 15:46.57 | nkuttler | of course |
| 15:47.02 | jelly | maxcell_: you'll only notice a difference in cfq vs. deadline (or none) on a physical system if your storage is under significant load |
| 15:48.25 | pZombie | is there a netinstall for debian which install something lighter like icewm or jwm? |
| 15:48.54 | pZombie | +s |
| 15:49.18 | elb | pZombie: you can always netinstall and then use apt to install something light |
| 15:50.02 | pZombie | elb - but then i might end up having to install EVERYTHING on top of the desktop. Stuff i might not even know i need |
| 15:50.03 | Iridos | you choose what DE/WM is installed when the installer asks you |
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| 15:50.48 | pZombie | well, it wouldn't let me choose on the netinstall,. My only options were to either install a desktop environment or not |
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| 15:50.59 | pZombie | the wheezy one |
| 15:51.09 | Iridos | and that will always be installed from the net. the netinstall only has a basic set of packages that get a linux with a commandline running⦠|
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| 15:51.26 | Iridos | netinstall is the name of the image you are installing from |
| 15:51.37 | elb | pZombie: yes, you'd have to install what you need, that's the advantage of tasks ... the disadvantage is that they may also isntall stuff you dont' need. Can't have you cake and eat it, too. :-) |
| 15:52.02 | elb | wow, pretend I can type |
| 15:52.14 | die7 | hola debianos, is there some alternative for cockpit? means web based system control? |
| 15:52.18 | pZombie | elb - well, i could if it would have let me chose between a few desktop environments instead of assuming i want gnome |
| 15:52.26 | pZombie | cake and eating is possible |
| 15:52.39 | greycat | !free whcp |
| 15:52.39 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 15:53.15 | pZombie | hopefully my disk won't be full by the time this thing is finished. |
| 15:53.24 | jelly | pZombie: it lets you choose on that very same screen |
| 15:53.31 | elb | pZombie: it actually looks like there are several desktop tasks |
| 15:53.55 | die7 | kitty-cat I do need Hosting tool :) , since this is overkill, something with basic checks like cockpit band web terminal but ..less buggy as cockpit |
| 15:54.06 | elb | task-lxde-desktop would get you a lot of stuff you want with pretty minimal cost, for example |
| 15:54.18 | elb | or task-xfce-desktop |
| 15:54.31 | pZombie | jelly, all i had was a checkbox at the menu i was to either have a desktop environment or not. But maybe i missed something |
| 15:55.16 | Iridos | he's installing wheezy, which might be why options are different than what you expect |
| 15:55.25 | elb | for what it's worth, I almost always do a minimal install and then hand-install a number of things I *know* I need, which winds up pulling in almost everything I indirectly need |
| 15:55.28 | Iridos | at least I think he was# |
| 15:55.42 | pZombie | yes, i am still |
| 15:55.46 | pZombie | i want to see how this turns out |
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| 15:56.10 | Iridos | anyway, just install no desktop and install whatever wm you like afterwards, as already suggested |
| 15:57.14 | jelly | wait, wheezy? |
| 15:57.26 | pZombie | it's an old laptop |
| 15:57.38 | pZombie | pentium m + radeon 9600 |
| 15:57.40 | jelly | the thing that gets EOL'd in May this year? |
| 15:57.47 | pZombie | yes, that thing |
| 15:58.10 | Iridos | might have also been wheezy |
| 15:58.11 | jelly | pentium m with 2GB RAM and an SSD might be usable |
| 15:58.12 | greycat | If you're talking about pZombie, he said he wants to install wheezy because he thinks it will allow him to install "the ancient proprietary radeon mobility 9600 drivers". |
| 15:58.22 | pZombie | pentium m with 512mb |
| 15:58.46 | elb | pentium m + jessie should be fine in general, dunno about radeon |
| 15:58.58 | BCMM | wait, is that the same guy who was on here yesterday asking about radeon drivers? |
| 15:58.59 | elb | I have a Pentium M running jessie here |
| 15:59.07 | elb | stretch is probably fine, too, haven't updated yet |
| 15:59.27 | BCMM | and is somehow intent on working out a way to install the proprietary one instead of just installing firmware so the open source one works? |
| 15:59.38 | greycat | I'm not sure what a Pentium M is. Is that 686-class or 586-class? |
| 15:59.40 | jelly | oh, it wouldn't surprise me that free drivers have regressed to the point of useless on such old hw |
| 15:59.43 | pZombie | it wouldn't if it cannot get the old radeon drivers on. The mesa drivers are slow as hell if you enable 3d acceleration. 3D works fine but 2D scrolling is 10x slower with 3D enabled |
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| 16:00.08 | jelly | greycat: it's 686, with pae, with some SIMD |
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| 16:00.19 | greycat | OK, then stretch may work. |
| 16:00.21 | pZombie | jelly - the free drivers are indeed completely useless. |
| 16:00.45 | elb | yeah I don't use 3d acceleration on my pentium M |
| 16:00.50 | elb | so I would be indifferent |
| 16:01.00 | jelly | my 2005 Celeron M (same thing, less L2 cache) thinkpad had, well, still has 2GB RAM |
| 16:01.21 | Iridos | it probably means that regular debian works pretty well if all people asking questions are trying the weirdest shit ^^ |
| 16:01.31 | greycat | It would be nice if Intel wouldn't keep reusing the same names for radically different CPUs. |
| 16:01.37 | elb | heh I had a Pentium M laptop in 2005, it came with 1024 MB, I pulled 512 out of it 90% of the time |
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| 16:01.43 | BCMM | greycat: +1 |
| 16:01.44 | elb | because it ran cooler and the battery lasted longer |
| 16:01.48 | elb | ahh, those were the days ;-) |
| 16:02.01 | elb | Iridos: truth |
| 16:02.09 | pZombie | i could upgrade it to 2gb, but then i might as well buy some cheap laptop |
| 16:02.12 | jelly | I switched to a desktop in 2010 or 2011, the thing was just too slow |
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| 16:02.41 | jelly | pZombie: yes. For $200 you can get a very nice sandybridge or ivybridge system |
| 16:03.01 | SirLagz | $200 can get me an old i5 system here :( |
| 16:03.03 | pZombie | i just don't want to throw it into the trash |
| 16:03.09 | jelly | my current thinkpad is a 2011 model and fits 16GB inside |
| 16:03.26 | jelly | and it cost $250 without extra RAM |
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| 16:03.46 | elb | I have so many computers I don't want to just throw in the trash |
| 16:03.49 | elb | it's kind of a disease |
| 16:03.56 | elb | the oldest at this point is a SPARCstation 5 |
| 16:04.00 | SirLagz | elb: same here lol |
| 16:04.16 | elb | at some point I ditched the 5x86 ;-) |
| 16:04.21 | SirLagz | elb: I still got my pentium 1 :D |
| 16:04.25 | jelly | elb: but does it have a 24bit framebuffer?!? |
| 16:04.37 | elb | SirLagz: I skipped P1, but I have a dual P2 in the basement ;-) |
| 16:04.38 | Iridos | elb, want my 486? ^^ |
| 16:04.45 | elb | jelly: no, but I think the Ultra 2 does |
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| 16:04.51 | jelly | also, #debian-offtopic |
| 16:04.55 | elb | jelly: don't have a Sun monitor any more, though, so it's kind of academic |
| 16:04.56 | SirLagz | elb: nice. I've still got a dual Socket 370 motherboard somewhere too |
| 16:05.02 | SirLagz | jelly: right, sorry. |
| 16:05.12 | elb | yeah, offtopic is fair, that way someone can answer my question about who broke kvm and why ;-) |
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| 16:12.35 | keith20 | I use an old pentium chip as a coaster |
| 16:12.42 | keith20 | :d |
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| 16:23.51 | no_gravity | Strange, in power management 'dim display when idle' is disabled. But anyhow, the screen gows dark (completely) every 30 seconds or so. Any idea how to disable that? |
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| 16:25.56 | somiaj | no_gravity: xset s off; xset -dpms |
| 16:26.23 | somiaj | (assuming it is the default screen blanking of xorg, though 30seconds seems fairly quick for the default on that) |
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| 16:28.01 | no_gravity | Oh, I think I found it. It was probably the screensaver. |
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| 16:30.57 | pZombie | there is no apt.conf in etc/apt anymore in this update wheezy. The tutorial asks me to put default release wheezy in there. Where do i put it instead now? |
| 16:31.34 | pZombie | sry, keyboard is dying, at the d |
| 16:31.41 | pZombie | and also ate the e |
| 16:32.02 | Ool | pZombie: you can create this file or in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 16:32.21 | pZombie | cool, i suspected it, thanks for clarifying |
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| 16:34.05 | somiaj | pZombie: what tutorial? I would be weary of any tutorial asking you to mix sources in such a way you need to set default release in that file. |
| 16:35.16 | greycat | (wary) |
| 16:35.52 | pZombie | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 16:38.41 | somiaj | pZombie: that should work. I'm surprised you need to do that extra step in wheezy, I thought *-backports were setup that way by default and didn't need any extra configuration. |
| 16:38.51 | somiaj | (the step to set the default release) |
| 16:39.14 | somiaj | but its been a while since I've used wheezy, my memeory could be incorrect. |
| 16:39.37 | pZombie | so far everything went smooth, rebooting now |
| 16:39.38 | donald | can I download directly all the dependencies of a packages from "generate package download script" with synaptic even when the dependencies are already installed? |
| 16:39.54 | pZombie | if this works, it would have been the easiest proprietary driver install i ever had |
| 16:40.57 | donald | pZombie: me? |
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| 16:41.29 | pZombie | no, wasn't referring to you |
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| 16:41.49 | pZombie | anyway, glxgears not working anymore, so some editing will be needed i guess |
| 16:41.57 | pZombie | but at least i got to the desktop |
| 16:43.18 | somiaj | donald: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13756800/how-to-download-all-dependencies-and-packages-to-directory -- the second answer (rated 45 by onno) should work. I don't think synaptic can do this, but you can use a combination of apt-rdepends and apt-get download to download the packages needed |
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| 16:45.03 | donald | it soudns great :D |
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| 16:46.10 | pZombie | next problem, the updated wheezy has no xorg.conf.d directory anymore. Is Xsession.d the right dir to put my fglrx config file in now? |
| 16:47.14 | pZombie | hm, in the tutorial they create the directory |
| 16:47.18 | pZombie | got to try this first |
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| 16:48.46 | donald | E: impossible to find a candidate version for <dependancy> :/ |
| 16:48.51 | donald | I can waut a bit |
| 16:48.59 | donald | just the time you finish |
| 16:49.25 | somiaj | pZombie: you can create the directory or just put the info in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 16:50.02 | somiaj | donald: it sounds like youa re trying to download dependencies to a package that didnt' come from debian? |
| 16:50.08 | somiaj | or another release |
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| 16:50.56 | donald | somiaj let me check that |
| 16:50.58 | kryl | hi, who use packages.sury.org for stable php7.2 ? |
| 16:51.13 | kryl | this domain isn't available I'm looking for alternatives. |
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| 16:52.54 | somiaj | why not just use the php7 packages in debian stable. #debian dosen't support thrid party packages in general. |
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| 16:53.41 | jelly | !deb.sury.org |
| 16:53.41 | dpkg | Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at https://packages.sury.org/php/README.txt |
| 16:54.06 | donald | somiaj the package is avaible in synaptic |
| 16:54.31 | jelly | kryl: I can open https://packages.sury.org/php/ in a browser. |
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| 16:55.03 | greycat | so can I. |
| 16:55.06 | kryl | it was a temporary failure it's accesible now... |
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| 16:57.05 | pZombie | that did not go well. Blank screen |
| 16:57.19 | pZombie | aticonfig --initial says no supported adapters detected |
| 16:57.46 | pZombie | modprobe fglrx say "uknown symbol in module,or unknown parameter (see dmesg)" |
| 16:58.25 | donald | the full message was: |
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| 16:58.32 | donald | E: impossible to find a candidate version for <dependancy> which has not |
| 16:58.47 | greycat | Dude, what. |
| 16:59.06 | greycat | Why the hell did you remove the package name and replace it with a misspelled English word and angle brackets. |
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| 17:00.19 | BCMM | donald: could you explain what you're actually trying to do? it's far from clear at the moment. |
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| 17:02.35 | donald | BCMM I want to download a package with all his dependancies to install it offline on another computer |
| 17:02.42 | donald | then |
| 17:04.11 | donald | greycat I have many lines with E: impossible to find a candidate version for debconf-2.0 which has not a candidate version |
| 17:04.20 | BCMM | donald: have you seen http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/517 ? |
| 17:04.22 | donald | that is why I wrote <package> |
| 17:04.53 | greycat | donald: what's the rest of the error? |
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| 17:06.10 | pZombie | anyone know how i can disable config_x86_x32 in the kernel? |
| 17:06.17 | pZombie | this might be a fix to my issue |
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| 17:08.45 | BCMM | have you ever built a kernel before? |
| 17:09.09 | pZombie | i don't want to build the whole kernel. I think you can just disable it in grub |
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| 17:09.56 | donald | when I do apt-get --print-uris --yes install pkgspec | grep ^\' | cut -d\' -f2 >downloads.list I just get a symbole like > in the terminal |
| 17:10.40 | BCMM | pZombie: CONFIG_X86_X32 is a linux kernel configuration item, i.e. compile-time option |
| 17:10.50 | BCMM | pZombie: also, why would it be causing your problems? |
| 17:11.41 | pZombie | well, i read this here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=144126 |
| 17:11.55 | pZombie | he describes the same error i am having related to fglrx |
| 17:11.59 | jelly | donald: you have a typo and an unclosed quote somewhere |
| 17:12.42 | BCMM | oh right, i get it |
| 17:12.58 | BCMM | the fglrx install script thingy checks that config entry, for reasons known only to AMD... |
| 17:13.28 | BCMM | pZombie: they suggest either building the kernel without that option, or patching that check out |
| 17:13.35 | BCMM | hte latter option will be easier |
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| 17:14.02 | pZombie | BCMM - can i just copy past that last line he posts or will it not work on debian? |
| 17:14.17 | pZombie | but i need that patch file |
| 17:14.33 | pZombie | or isn't there a file involved? |
| 17:15.34 | donald | jelly done! thank you |
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| 17:15.46 | donald | I just spend a few minute to test and I willl tell you |
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| 17:16.42 | pZombie | can i do make oldconfig with just config_x86_x32 changed or do i have to go through everything?= |
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| 17:20.03 | pZombie | actually, first i am going to try and install with the downloaded ati driver |
| 17:20.10 | pZombie | from ati's site |
| 17:20.12 | donald | dowload.list has only one line contain http:// ... /eclipse_3.8.1-10_all.Deb |
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| 17:29.23 | donald | BCMM: yoru link does not seem to work |
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| 17:41.54 | donald | BCMM: I checked http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/517 but it generated just one line of file to download. does it generate dependencies even installed? |
| 17:42.45 | BCMM | donald: you ran it on the internet machine, instead of the target machine, didn't you? |
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| 17:43.35 | donald | BCMM yes |
| 17:44.10 | donald | yes I ran it on the machine connected to internet |
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| 17:44.36 | donald | Ichecked the dependeancies here https://packages.debian.org/fr/stretch/eclipse and there are |
| 17:46.40 | donald | but they are not present in the generated file |
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| 18:00.39 | donald | BCMM maybe your script dwnload olny the dependancies not installed :/ |
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| 18:14.42 | PCLoadLetter | Hello, how can I find out if debian exim is built with this: If you want to include the ACL-time content-scanning features when you compile Exim, you need to arrange for WITH_CONTENT_SCAN to be defined in your Local/Makefile. When you do that, the Exim binary is built with: |
| 18:15.06 | PCLoadLetter | https://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-content_scanning_at_acl_time.html |
| 18:16.23 | greycat | The easiest way would probably be to *try* to use those features and see if it works. |
| 18:16.47 | PCLoadLetter | It is |
| 18:16.59 | PCLoadLetter | It is called debian-exim-heavy or somtehing |
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| 18:17.07 | PCLoadLetter | that one is compiled with ACL content scanning. |
| 18:17.18 | PCLoadLetter | I found that bit int eh config file thanks |
| 18:17.34 | PCLoadLetter | exim4-daemon-heavy |
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| 18:27.00 | awal1 | how can I kick out permanently the blue screen in Console? |
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| 18:28.19 | awal1 | I mean: after getting the bluescreen bcoz of services needing reatsrt, new kernel advce... previous output is no longer visible |
| 18:28.57 | awal1 | wondering so how to avoid that (lose of prev. output bvoz of blue screen) |
| 18:29.06 | ori | is there an efficient way to look up packages in an apt repository *without* adding it as a source and without having to manually parse InRelease / Packages etc? |
| 18:29.18 | petn-randall | awal1: Aren't you mixing up the OS? There's no "blue screen" in Debian. |
| 18:29.30 | greycat | ori: there's http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 18:29.47 | greycat | awal1: can you please start by explaining what "Console" is? |
| 18:29.59 | greycat | after that we can work on what "blue screen" you are talking about |
| 18:30.01 | vlt | awal1: Iâm not exactly sure what blue screen you mean. Maybe an ncurses dialog background. Try `reset`. |
| 18:30.14 | ori | greycat: sure, I'm looking for a generic equivalent I can sic at other repositories as well (i.e., ones that are not part of Debian) |
| 18:30.36 | awal1 | petn-randall, not windows blue screen, blue screen in tty (console) |
| 18:30.42 | awal1 | greycat, vlt, ^ |
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| 18:31.06 | awal1 | may be ncurse dialog background yeah |
| 18:31.18 | awal1 | not sure what is it |
| 18:31.28 | greycat | Do you mean the Linux text console, /dev/tty1 and so on? |
| 18:31.48 | awal1 | greycat, yep |
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| 18:32.08 | awal1 | vlt, ofcourse I can reset, but then prev. output is gone |
| 18:32.20 | greycat | And you get this "blue screen" when you are actually *running* an apt-get command? Not just randomly? |
| 18:32.22 | ori | I think awal1 means https://screenshots.debian.net/package/needrestart |
| 18:32.23 | Iridos | oh |
| 18:32.56 | greycat | ori: yes, I think so as well, if we can get him to confirm that he's actually running an apt-get or apt command... |
| 18:32.58 | awal1 | greycat, yes, maybe it is bcoz of needrestart |
| 18:33.06 | Iridos | I think he means⦠the blue backgrounds the installer or some other programs give you⦠and that leave the terminal in some weird state |
| 18:33.14 | vlt | awal1: You could try working in tmux or screen. |
| 18:33.25 | greycat | And your actual complaint is that you wanted to preserve content that was on the screen *BEFORE* you ran the apt-get command? |
| 18:34.13 | awal1 | greycat, right, preserve previous output before 'bluescreen', probably of needrestart pkg |
| 18:34.14 | vlt | awal1: Thereâs a scrollback buffer you can even save to a file if needed. |
| 18:34.34 | Iridos | or you could run typescript ("script") before you start doing what you're doing, that would save everything you had in the terminal into a file |
| 18:34.35 | awal1 | that issue is only present in /dev/ttyX, not when in X |
| 18:34.42 | vlt | awal1: in tmux or screen, that is. |
| 18:34.52 | greycat | The suggestions to use tmux or screen are valid. Or you can do the apt commands on a different TTY. Or you can maybe reconfigure debconf to never use the dialog backend, only the plain text ones. |
| 18:36.25 | greycat | the latter being: dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf |
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| 18:38.04 | awal1 | hm, I will try tmux so. I was almost thinking now in fbterm, I used it in the past; with it one may not get that blue background. |
| 18:38.23 | awal1 | greycat, interesting suggestion about debconf; will check it, thanks |
| 18:38.41 | greycat | It's not "the background" that you are complaining about. It's the dialog or whiptail *program* being used which takes over the whole terminal screen. |
| 18:38.51 | awal1 | right |
| 18:39.21 | awal1 | that "issue" is present only in tty's, not in X. what can be the reason? |
| 18:40.22 | ori | your graphical terminal emulator knows how to interpret termcap alternate screen escape sequences correctly |
| 18:40.34 | alkisg | awal1: try `clear`, it's a lighter reset of the terminal, whichkeeps the buffer |
| 18:40.38 | awal1 | Iridos, yep, i am aware about script, I use it sometimes, almost when installing metapkg bcoz of future removals, almost |
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| 18:41.07 | greycat | He doesn't *want* to clear the screen. He wants the opposite. |
| 18:41.25 | greycat | He wants the previous content *before* the apt-get command to be restored after the apt-get and its dialog slave are finished. |
| 18:41.39 | awal1 | alkisg, ^ |
| 18:41.52 | alkisg | greycat: pressing enter a lot of times and then typing clear preserves the apt output |
| 18:42.29 | greycat | He does not care about the apt output. |
| 18:42.30 | alkisg | clear resets the fg/bg colors without clearing the buffer, you can still scroll with shift+pageup |
| 18:43.14 | alkisg | And btw, cat /dev/vcs1 gives the output as well, e.g. cat /dev/vcs1 > /tmp/buffer-save |
| 18:44.30 | awal1 | alkisg, one you get the "blues dialog" no way for go back here, even if I have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="fbcon=scrollback:10240k" |
| 18:44.35 | awal1 | once |
| 18:44.37 | ori | if the alternate screen is not getting deinitialized properly (because the terminal emulator doesn't handle the escape sequence correctly), the scrollback buffer could be partly clobbered |
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| 18:45.47 | ori | anyways, since we're tripping over ourselves here, I think it's a good time to reiterate: <greycat> The suggestions to use tmux or screen are valid. Or you can do the apt commands on a different TTY. |
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| 18:46.11 | jelly | right, "don't do that then" seems the simplest approach |
| 18:46.42 | jelly | still, switching to a different vc loses the scrollback |
| 18:46.52 | greycat | true |
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| 18:47.06 | jelly | but keeps the actual stuff on screen |
| 18:47.48 | awal1 | ori, seems interesting what you say but I am clueless about meaning, technical side I mean |
| 18:48.00 | jelly | I never knew about "cat /dev/vcs1" but it does not preserve colors here |
| 18:48.14 | jelly | presumably one can also write into the device |
| 18:48.22 | awal1 | ok, guys, I will try first if things works different via fbterm; if not I'll try with tmux |
| 18:48.48 | greycat | awal1: the way xterm (and similar) work is that they have *two* current-content buffers, and when dialog runs, it switches from one to the other, messes up the other, then reverts back to the first one upon exiting. |
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| 18:49.01 | greycat | awal1: the Linux console may or may not have that feature, I don't konw |
| 18:49.43 | jelly | and termcap, sorry, terminfo definitions for "linux" in many distros are missing features |
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| 18:50.56 | greycat | (technical BG: terminfo is a library of terminal commands that apps like dialog can use to figure out how to do things like "switch to the secondary buffer") |
| 18:50.56 | ori | greycat: yeah, I don't think it does. try running `whiptail --msgbox foo 5 5` the console |
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| 18:56.34 | awal1 | i never noticied vcs... in /dev :P |
| 18:57.51 | reussa | hi, I have an ssd installed in debian and I got the following message (cannot issue any command ): [ 998.752889] EXT4-fs error (device sda1): ext4_find_entry:1463: inode #6553601: comm bash: reading directory lblock 0 |
| 18:57.51 | reussa | [ 1028.926528] EXT4-fs error (device sda1): ext4_find_entry:1463: inode #655362: comm systemd-timesyn: reading directory lblock |
| 18:57.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/655362 in amarok (closed, buster, sid, stretch, jessie): «amarok: gpodder.net service support seems not to be compiled in»; severity: minor; opened: 2012-01-10; last modified: 2017-06-18. |
| 18:58.03 | reussa | is my disk broken? |
| 18:58.18 | reussa | it happens 5 mins after boot |
| 18:58.25 | greycat | silly judd |
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| 19:05.38 | jelly | no, silly kernel! (but maybe adding (?!inode ) for the next time someone pastes ext*fs errors |
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| 19:06.03 | jelly | to the regex. That detects bug numbers. |
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| 19:07.09 | jelly | reussa: the disk might be fine, the filesystem however needs a check |
| 19:09.42 | jelly | reussa: simply rebooting ought to do it automatically as part of the boot process |
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| 19:19.01 | reussa | jelly: thanks |
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| 20:35.44 | oo_miguel | are all the commands I enter into the ghci prompt, kind of executed inside one "do block" ? |
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| 20:48.08 | toli | guys, how do I know which driver is used for my blutooth connection? I have mine connected to my phone and speed is 1.48mbps where normally it should be more than 20mbps |
| 20:48.46 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: You might ask in #haskell or #haskell-beginners |
| 20:49.04 | oo_miguel | jhutchins: aaah, wrong channel, very sorry ;) |
| 20:49.06 | somiaj | toli: demsg often tells info about drivers used |
| 20:49.13 | oo_miguel | jhutchins: I was sure I am writing in haskell |
| 20:49.29 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: Hah. Well, I had fun tracking it down. |
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| 20:49.57 | jhutchins | toli: lsmod does too. |
| 20:49.58 | oo_miguel | jhutchins: thank you very much for looking for an answer :)! |
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| 20:55.15 | toli | jhutchins: it says bluetooth 552960 49 btrtl,btintel,bnep,btbcm,rfcomm,btusb |
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| 21:35.36 | jhutchins_wk | !bluetooth |
| 21:35.36 | dpkg | Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa . For support of Qualcomm Atheros devices, ask me about <ath3k>. See also <btusb>. |
| 21:36.07 | awal1 | docker needs a custom image, not the standard one, huh? |
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| 21:38.22 | morf | docker needs ... oh man lots of things |
| 21:38.56 | bitlan | hello, do any one use wowza ? |
| 21:40.05 | morf | sorry |
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| 21:43.56 | pZombie | is it possible to have a very old 2.xx kernel and yet being able to install the latest browser? |
| 21:44.11 | dondelelcaro | pZombie: unlikely |
| 21:44.34 | awal1 | morf, first time I wanted to try docker so no much clue. looks like one can do interesting stuff with it, like monitor mode for wifi card..., vs other emulators. I usually use vbox |
| 21:44.55 | jhutchins_wk | pZombie: Actually, yes, there are still some 2.4 kernels in current support on other distros. |
| 21:45.51 | pZombie | jhutchins any distros based on debian with old kernels that are supported still? |
| 21:46.03 | awal1 | morf, I mean, with vmware, qemu-kvm and vbox, put wifi card in monitor mode on a guest is not possible; looks like one can do with docker |
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| 21:47.01 | greycat | You might have missed the point that docker is *not* a virtual machine; it's a "container", which is something halfway between a chroot and a VM. |
| 21:47.22 | awal1 | for vbox, vmware and libvirt one can do but external usb wifi card is required; not for docker, seems. |
| 21:47.29 | awal1 | greycat, you are right |
| 21:48.08 | morf | sup greycat |
| 21:48.27 | morf | how do you do |
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| 21:50.23 | awal1 | no much docs for noobs about docker :P |
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| 21:52.35 | jhutchins_wk | awal1: Docker's it's own thing, there's a LOT out there. |
| 21:53.45 | somiaj | awal1: Is your goal to learn docker or something else? Chroots might be a simplier place to start for learning about containers. |
| 21:53.56 | awal1 | jhutchins_wk, I must create my custom debian image for docker, for start |
| 21:54.26 | greycat | Is that just a debootstrap, same as you'd do in a chroot? |
| 21:54.28 | bitess | usually you take their base image and use the dockerfile to modify it. |
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| 21:55.12 | jhutchins_wk | awal1: From what I've seen of docker there are probably images out there. |
| 21:56.34 | awal1 | yeah, looks like it is preferable to create one according to https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/docker_run_debian/ (from debian wiki) |
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| 22:02.04 | jhutchins_wk | awal1: If you expect anything about docker to be easy (other than making a mess), you will be disappointed. Docker is a way to do more work. |
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| 22:09.22 | bitess | the fun stuff begins when you use it with kubernetes or docker swarm |
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| 22:34.53 | simbalion | Hi, I've got a script in cron.daily which executes from shell and from crontab but not with anacron, can anyone suggest a solution? Here is the script: https://hastebin.com/ehuyicucuc.bash |
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| 22:42.01 | aindilis | anyone know anything about cheap RFID systems for home inventory - or better yet object recognition via camera |
| 22:43.32 | somiaj | simbalion: are you sure it is an execution error. Seems like the issue to me is you don't have a PATH set for the script. the scripts will not be run in the same enviorment as your shell. |
| 22:43.47 | somiaj | simbalion: this is why usually full paths are used in scripts, but you can set a PATH at the top too |
| 22:44.11 | simbalion | somiaj: anacron has a path set in /etc/cron.d/anacron, does that not get used with cron.daily? |
| 22:44.17 | simbalion | I will try adding the path |
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| 22:45.19 | somiaj | simbalion: maybe, not using full paths, or assuming PATH is set is a common issue with cron scripts in general |
| 22:45.45 | somiaj | I would assume that would apply to your issue, though I would also expect the script to error out and at least be logged. |
| 22:46.27 | somiaj | I am assuming you have double chekced the executable bit is on the script, but I'm assuimg that is true by 'executes in shell', not meaning you ran 'source script' |
| 22:47.50 | somiaj | I also don't think you need to clean the enviorment at the end, I thought in bash scripts, variables set in them are local to the script, though #bash would know better than I |
| 22:47.52 | simbalion | yes I checked those things |
| 22:48.10 | simbalion | you're probably right about the unset thing, I wrote that script when I was a newb |
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| 22:58.56 | morf | hi |
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| 23:11.02 | pZombie | i attempted something lighter on a fresh install i manually installed icewem, xdm and the lxde desktop but it seems it was a complete failure |
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| 23:11.34 | pZombie | for some reason, even though the same graphics drivers are installed, firefox is much slower than with the gnome standard install |
| 23:12.20 | awal1 | "complete failure" why pZombie? |
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| 23:12.38 | awal1 | just bcoz of firefox slow? |
| 23:13.05 | pZombie | what's the point of having an OS without a browser that is usable those days? |
| 23:13.40 | pZombie | but i am more interested in why this is the case |
| 23:13.47 | awal1 | try with a fresh profile for ff |
| 23:14.50 | awal1 | move .mozila somewhere and lauch again ff and see |
| 23:14.58 | awal1 | .mozilla |
| 23:15.05 | somiaj | are you sure it was due to not having gnome. I almost think something else is going on there. |
| 23:16.34 | pZombie | yes, almost certain it is something else, but i cannot tell what it is |
| 23:16.48 | pZombie | it's not like i messed with anything. This is a fresh install |
| 23:17.11 | awal1 | ff-esr or standard? |
| 23:17.41 | pZombie | ff-esr just like the one gnome had |
| 23:18.15 | pZombie | maybe it was an older version, that would make sense |
| 23:18.42 | awal1 | old v. doesn't mean slow |
| 23:19.00 | awal1 | ,v firefox-esr |
| 23:19.01 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.6.0esr-2+b1; sid: |
| 23:19.02 | judd | 52.6.0esr-2+b1 |
| 23:19.21 | pZombie | i was using wheezy netinstall |
| 23:19.27 | awal1 | all 52 |
| 23:19.46 | pZombie | well, then i don't know |
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| 23:20.02 | somiaj | pZombie: so you are currently on the install that is slow, and you are using wheezy due to older hardware? |
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| 23:20.38 | pZombie | yes, i was going to test if i could get the ati drivers to work |
| 23:20.44 | awal1 | "install that is slow" ? somiaj |
| 23:20.51 | awal1 | what u mean sommiaj |
| 23:21.09 | pZombie | the first time i followed the tutorial and it ended up in a big mess |
| 23:21.17 | pZombie | i couldn't even get glxgears back to work |
| 23:21.36 | pZombie | so i thought i would try something new and install the ati drivers directly |
| 23:21.46 | somiaj | awal1: pZombie was comparing two different installs, so I was curious which one they were actually running. |
| 23:21.49 | awal1 | pZombie, ff is always a bit slow |
| 23:22.00 | pZombie | but i probably won't stay with debian. It is way too heavy for my taste |
| 23:22.16 | awal1 | under my sid ff-esr is so slow and sometimes hangs |
| 23:22.30 | awal1 | I purged it and installed standard v. (quantum) |
| 23:22.54 | somiaj | pZombie: just don't install a de, I find it fairly light weight myself. |
| 23:22.55 | awal1 | will experiment and see |
| 23:23.43 | pZombie | lol, i came from slitaz to debian, so pretty much everything feels heavy i guess |
| 23:23.48 | somiaj | pZombie: anyways, did you check the xorg log file to see what drivers are actually being loaded. Also if using ati, did you isntall the non-free firmware that helps with the radeon driver? |
| 23:23.54 | pZombie | slitaz takes me 5min to install |
| 23:24.19 | pZombie | and the firefox in slitaz is optimized it seems. I can even play 360p video without stutter on this old hardware |
| 23:24.48 | pZombie | it is an older esr firefox however, but display mostly everything fine |
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| 23:25.18 | hypn0 | 360p, is your monitor vga :-) |
| 23:25.21 | pZombie | lol |
| 23:25.40 | pZombie | well, i cannot get proper drivers anymore, that is why i think |
| 23:25.59 | pZombie | 15 years ago this laptop would fly and play World of Warcraft at around 100 fps |
| 23:26.08 | pZombie | with the proprietary ati drivers |
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| 23:26.49 | pZombie | that is why i am looking for some debian based light weight distro which is up to date however, unlike slitaz where most packages are super old |
| 23:27.00 | pZombie | one with a 2.xx kernel |
| 23:27.19 | pZombie | where i can install some 2009 year ati driver |
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| 23:27.45 | pZombie | i am not even sure, the 13.1 ati driver supports the r300 anymore. Google has become a big pile of *** |
| 23:28.42 | pZombie | or mobility radeon 9600, or rv350 or M10... i don't have any clue why they use so many different names for the same thing |
| 23:30.25 | hypn0 | I think that's common, they stop supporting old cards in new drivers, forcing you to get newer stuff |
| 23:31.06 | hypn0 | doesn't the open source driver work :-/ |
| 23:31.08 | pZombie | of course they do, and i am refusing to play along |
| 23:31.18 | somiaj | for ati the radeon driver does a fairly good job on older hardware. In debian you just need firmware-nonfree installed |
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| 23:32.22 | pZombie | the open source driver is complete garbage for this card. 3D works perfectly fine with it. getting 2500-3000fps but then you go edit some long text in leafpad or mousepad or any other stuff that requires scrolling and it is 10x slower than without the acceleration |
| 23:32.37 | pZombie | glxgears that is |
| 23:32.52 | pZombie | so it is no option at all basically |
| 23:34.02 | pZombie | with proper accelerated drivers, using the super speed radeon mobility 9600, which is fast still even by today's standards (about equal to the newest HD intel graphics), this laptop could even play smooth 1080p video |
| 23:35.30 | pZombie | the best thing on this laptop is that it can operate completely fanless |
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