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| 00:11.06 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm trying to get bonding working on a newly installed Debian 9 system. I have no interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces (commented out the initial one used for installation) and have defined the bonded interface in a separate file /etc/network/interfaces.d/bond0: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9e484056/ |
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| 00:11.24 | Pegasus_RPG | The problem is that I can't get bond0 to come up |
| 00:13.44 | Pegasus_RPG | I get only "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" |
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| 00:14.44 | NikitaSadkov | https://github.com/saniv/free-game-art/blob/master/foss-copyright-infringement-records.md |
| 00:14.59 | annadane | NikitaSadkov, very offtopic |
| 00:15.08 | Pegasus_RPG | Well, in full: bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves |
| 00:15.08 | Pegasus_RPG | sh: echo: I/O error |
| 00:15.08 | Pegasus_RPG | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 00:15.08 | Pegasus_RPG | ifup: failed to bring up bond0 |
| 00:15.14 | NikitaSadkov | <annadane>,sorry |
| 00:15.29 | Pegasus_RPG | that sh echo error is worrying |
| 00:15.32 | annadane | feel free to post it in #debian-offtopic if you want, not trying to discourage you from posting, just that this is for support |
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| 00:21.27 | Pegasus_RPG | Oh, it seems I figured it out. I have to add "auto enp66s0 / iface enp66s0 inet manual |
| 00:21.28 | Pegasus_RPG | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.38 | Pegasus_RPG | (And restart networking) |
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| 00:40.19 | pZombie | no wonder the tutorial did not work. Support for the r300 was dropped after the 9.3 catalyst i finally figured out after using duckduckgo instead of google |
| 00:40.29 | pZombie | google has become completely useless |
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| 00:42.49 | Pegasus_RPG | Wait, I still have a problem: When I first reboot, network traffic passes, but the switch doesn't see that the host is using LACP. If I bring down the bond0 interface then try to bring it back up, traffic does not pass unless I manually bring up each slave interface as well. |
| 00:43.00 | Pegasus_RPG | But even then, the switch does not see that the host is using LACP \ |
| 00:43.11 | Pegasus_RPG | So what am I doing wrong? |
| 00:43.24 | Pegasus_RPG | (Everything worked fine on Debian 8 FWIW.) |
| 00:46.05 | pZombie | sounds like you are cursed |
| 00:50.29 | pZombie | i wonder if i fool the old driver into thinking this is an older kernel what would happen |
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| 00:56.20 | expert975 | How can I prevent gdm from starting at boot? |
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| 00:58.09 | morf | i love you anyway |
| 00:58.20 | morf | start in cli mode lvl 3 or smthng |
| 00:58.29 | tw | expert975: set the default to multi-user.target |
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| 00:59.20 | expert975 | tw: what else will that change do? |
| 00:59.30 | alad | it just won't start any display managers |
| 00:59.39 | tw | won't start any graphical login, regardless of what you've got installed. |
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| 01:00.25 | expert975 | tw: will I still be able to run a windo manager with startx? |
| 01:00.38 | tw | yes, if you configure it. |
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| 01:01.05 | expert975 | tw: awesome! Where do I change that? |
| 01:01.15 | tw | what, the target? |
| 01:01.21 | expert975 | tw: Yes |
| 01:01.22 | tw | systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
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| 01:02.07 | expert975 | tw: thank you :) |
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| 01:03.32 | expert975 | tw: Where can I find a description of the other targets I see on systemctl? What's the default target? |
| 01:04.01 | Neobenedict | quick q. if another user had write access to my home directory, they could add their ssh key and login as me, right? so i should ensure .ssh folder is not writable by others |
| 01:04.03 | expert975 | tw: Is the default graphic.target? |
| 01:04.16 | tw | graphical.target, yes. |
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| 01:06.36 | tw | Neobenedict: as I recall, openssh won't use your authorized_keys file if .ssh is anything but 700 and authorized_keys is 600. |
| 01:06.42 | tw | So this is not a risk. |
| 01:06.56 | tw | But yes, if you want to use authorized_keys, this is important. |
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| 01:17.49 | expert975 | Why are most of my games taking so much time to start? It must have something to do with me disabling gdm related services on systemctl... |
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| 01:22.24 | expert975 | could you list the relevant sevices? |
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| 01:23.17 | tw | dbus-daemon --session is the main one that I know of. |
| 01:23.29 | tw | there's a ck-session one as well, but I don't have consolekit installed. |
| 01:24.38 | somiaj | dbus is launched here without a display manager, so it might be something else. |
| 01:29.03 | expert975 | dbus.service is running |
| 01:31.43 | expert975 | Was I supposed to find ck-session on systemctl? |
| 01:32.47 | expert975 | Apt says I have consolekit installed |
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| 01:37.07 | somiaj | is it only time to start that is long, do things run fine once they load? |
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| 01:39.22 | expert975 | Most games outside steam are fine. Some steam games won't open, some such as Dota 2 and Team Fortress take around 5 minutes to open and then they can't connect to the steam network |
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| 01:39.50 | expert975 | They don't seem to be using CPU or Disk for the duration of the waiting |
| 01:41.03 | somiaj | that to me sounds more like a network issue. But you say if you run gdm you don't have this issue? What are you using to configure your network? |
| 01:42.08 | expert975 | I am also having this issue when running gdm |
| 01:42.47 | expert975 | What could be wrong with my network? |
| 01:43.45 | expert975 | The Raise Network Interfaces services fails on boot |
| 01:43.53 | expert975 | That's not new |
| 01:44.38 | expert975 | I tried to make it work recently, but I left the config like I found. Maybe something to do with that? |
| 01:45.19 | somiaj | are you using the interfaces file or something like network-manager to manage your network? |
| 01:45.28 | expert975 | Interfaces file, yeah |
| 01:45.55 | expert975 | I mean, the file is there, so I assume that's what I'm using |
| 01:46.01 | expert975 | Debian's default |
| 01:46.41 | expert975 | I'll flush iptables to see if there's any change |
| 01:47.32 | anonit | Hello can someone please help me, my debian system was working fine until today I booted it up and I got errors about not beging able to mount my home partition (which is usually encrypted) |
| 01:48.21 | anonit | systemctl status home.mount says ""wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/jessie_vs-home"" |
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| 01:50.46 | expert975 | Oh, my. Flushing iptables seems to make it all work again :D |
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| 01:51.25 | anonit | And I've plugged the ssd externally into my laptop and now it says "The unlocked device does not have a recognizable file system on it" after entering the decryption password |
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| 01:52.06 | expert975 | somiaj: Thank you :D :D |
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| 02:00.10 | memo1 | hi, a good tutorial or primer to mastering Iptables? |
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| 02:42.15 | mpo | memo1, yes. iptables.info |
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| 02:42.37 | maxcell_ | jelly: hi |
| 02:42.58 | maxcell_ | jelly: i've changed btrfs to ext4, now apt-get unpacking are very very fast |
| 02:44.59 | hanasaki | maxcell_: btrfs was slow? |
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| 02:45.31 | maxcell_ | hanasaki: yes really slow like really slow to "preparing unpack" and "unpacking" |
| 02:45.45 | maxcell_ | and i'm using a partition on the ssd |
| 02:46.07 | hanasaki | I had heard it is fast... but went back to ext4 + overlayfs for docker instead of btrfs for speed |
| 02:47.32 | maxcell_ | idk what overlayfs is but, i only have used btrfs because it doesn't have journaling and i'm trying to save space |
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| 02:49.31 | maxcell_ | i just forget to install intel-microcode against meltdown/spectre, let me install and see if its running well |
| 02:50.00 | memo1 | mpo: Thank you |
| 02:50.26 | retrojeff | I just noticed that mysql on debian has transitioned over to mariadb |
| 02:50.31 | retrojeff | looking at https://packages.debian.org/stable/database/ |
| 02:50.50 | retrojeff | there is mysql-workbench (6.3.8) |
| 02:51.02 | retrojeff | this version is not compatable with mariadb |
| 02:51.36 | retrojeff | on the mysql website they offer mysql-workbench (6.3.10) but its for ubuntu? |
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| 02:52.22 | retrojeff | I am not gonna try the ubuntu version posted on the mysql website incase of problems |
| 02:53.09 | anonit | Can someone please help me. I have now gotten to the point where I can open the luks volume, but file -sL shows "data" instead of ext4 on my home filesystem and I cannot mount it (the ssd is connected externally) |
| 02:53.13 | retrojeff | to even get it to work I had to |
| 02:53.14 | retrojeff | UPDATE mysql.user SET plugin = 'mysql_native_password' WHERE user = 'root' AND plugin = 'unix_socket'; |
| 02:53.47 | maxcell_ | hanasaki: do you know a gparted app for kde |
| 02:55.06 | retrojeff | and trying to connect in mysql-workbench |
| 02:55.06 | retrojeff | https://i.imgur.com/IbKYNMt.jpg |
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| 02:57.58 | hanasaki | maxcell_: nope. mostly gnome for me. some xfce |
| 02:58.40 | maxcell_ | hanasaki: gnome3 changed a lot, trying to use kde now |
| 02:58.42 | hanasaki | anyone into building their own kernels? cannot figure out why it boots fine with default options yet cannot find the boot disk w/ my config |
| 02:59.03 | hanasaki | maxcell_: just curious.. what led to the change? |
| 02:59.55 | retrojeff | on a happy note I got mate on debian to kinda look like unity |
| 03:00.55 | hanasaki | fun... isn't ubuntu ending unity for gnome? I think mate and cinimon are kinda the old gnome |
| 03:01.44 | retrojeff | https://i.imgur.com/bY4dgSL.png |
| 03:01.48 | maxcell_ | hanasaki: most things we can change on gnome3, like menu, put tray icons on the panel, remove top left hotspot. But we can't create an desktop icon easly (gotta create an file.desktop and fullfill him with options including icon names [that sometimes you have no idea]) and i couldn't change the way ALT+TAB works when you have 2 windows of the same program open alt+tab can't reach 1 or another. like 2 terminals. |
| 03:02.53 | hanasaki | I will admit to using qtterm over gnome term |
| 03:03.25 | maxcell_ | neither we can right click on the Apps on the Menu and change locations or add another app into the menu easily. Everything simple require a config file to be edit. |
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| 03:04.52 | maxcell_ | i think gnome3 lost too much from gnome2. Gnome2 was easily to drive in.. know/ |
| 03:05.12 | hanasaki | gnome3 is nice on touch tablets |
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| 03:05.30 | maxcell_ | yeah i agree |
| 03:06.19 | maxcell_ | i've tried to use gnome-classic on debian but there is a anoying bug on the volume icons and so on the tray, they got bold out of nowhere |
| 03:06.47 | maxcell_ | then you put the mouse in the top of it, and it becomes normal again |
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| 03:32.53 | m712 | hi, I'm currently running debian stable on my openvz VPS. I wanted to switch to testing, but it seems like the openvz host kernel is some old 2.6 kernel and libc6-2.26 only supports 3.2 or newer. is there anything i can do other than nag the hosting provider? |
| 03:33.51 | m712 | i think almost all openvz kernels are 2.6, in which case they won't support buster when it gets released, no? |
| 03:33.55 | somiaj | maybe nag the provider. Maybe that have other containers with newer kernels. I can't think of any other way. |
| 03:34.49 | m712 | okay, thanks |
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| 03:35.34 | somiaj | hmm, as a container, it might work just fine. If it runs on stable, but you may want to talk to the provider it first. |
| 03:36.04 | retrojeff | because mysql workbench does not work well with mariadb is there other GUI database management software for debian? |
| 03:36.39 | retrojeff | one that is in the repos that can be installed with APT |
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| 03:38.30 | somiaj | m712: if stretch is running on it, buster might work, though I would backup and be read to revert back to a stable image if you ahve issues. |
| 03:39.39 | m712 | somiaj: i'm only a user of the hosting solution |
| 03:39.51 | m712 | stretch uses libc 2.24 |
| 03:40.03 | somiaj | ,v libc6 |
| 03:40.04 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.26-6; sid: 2.26-6; experimental: 2.27-0experimental1 |
| 03:40.21 | m712 | buster/testing uses libc 2.26, which fails with kernels older than 3.2 |
| 03:40.40 | m712 | and openvz uses the host kernel which is 2.6 |
| 03:40.54 | somiaj | Buster is using 2.26, I don't expect that big of a difference in libc6. |
| 03:41.09 | somiaj | I don't think it matters that the kernel is older, stretch is running just fine on that kernel and stretchs base kernel is 4.9 |
| 03:41.54 | somiaj | the container I think is okay, but running testing on a server is usually suggested against. Your vps may know better of any issues on their network. |
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| 03:55.57 | fnlkj | hi.. i recently found and tried the Ubuntu on Windows thingy.. but how can I get Debian.. or is it not yet possible..? |
| 03:56.25 | fnlkj | or any way to..uh, "debianize" Ubuntu somewhat, however? lol |
| 03:56.30 | awal1 | ubuntu on windows? |
| 03:57.06 | fnlkj | yeah |
| 03:57.27 | fnlkj | https://docs.microsoft.com/nb-no/windows/wsl/install-win10 |
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| 03:58.55 | fnlkj | I don't want Ubuntu though. I want Debian. doesn't seem that tricky for them to allow other distros as well, or more freedom to enable others to sort that out.. i duno..hmh. |
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| 03:59.05 | fnlkj | sux if theres no Deb at all (yet anyway).. |
| 04:01.53 | awal1 | fnlkj, you wanna run debian or just try it? |
| 04:01.58 | fnlkj | any idea if it'll likely cause issues fast if I change repos to some Debian based ones ..? ..prolly posing as having a Debian distro.. (while actually being Ubuntu). or any idea how I can find out what if anything special in particular to avoid as such? (I guess for example kernel changes and such..). I'm a n00b to nix in general.. |
| 04:02.47 | awal1 | if you want to try you have debian live images; if you wanna use it, install it |
| 04:03.06 | awal1 | you can make a dualboot with windows |
| 04:03.09 | acidtripper | fnlkj, in concrete what do you want? |
| 04:03.20 | fnlkj | o, uh, Im mainly on Win for now (still....) on my main desktop comp., but hope to one day make the switch for good (ive been saying that for.too long now,tho..=s) Ive numerous vps / dedicated servers running debian for some years tho,jmostly just playing around |
| 04:04.03 | awal1 | you can use debian daily on a vm |
| 04:04.11 | fnlkj | o, i was just wondering if it was possible to .. either get Debian instead of the UBuntu on Windows, or if not then somehow debianize (turn it more into debian,however,if possible..to less likely cause issues with deb-specific stuff) |
| 04:04.22 | acidtripper | fi you have dedicated servers running debian it seems you know howto administer |
| 04:04.22 | fnlkj | yeah i do, too :] |
| 04:04.32 | awal1 | create a vm on virtualbox and use it for a debian guest on your windows host |
| 04:04.35 | fnlkj | uh, not too much,really.. =p |
| 04:04.38 | acidtripper | mmm... it doesnt seem |
| 04:04.54 | acidtripper | its as simple as installing every fu*ing distro you want on Virtual Machine |
| 04:05.24 | acidtripper | i recommend you start with: Slackware, Debian, Gentoo, Archlinux. If you want to learn about linux |
| 04:05.43 | acidtripper | if you want to use it.. just go for mint or that noob intended distros |
| 04:05.45 | awal1 | those linux stuff for windows, the link you pasted before, are miicrosoft things |
| 04:05.47 | awal1 | ask them |
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| 04:06.12 | acidtripper | if you want to learn linux install it in harddrive my friend |
| 04:06.18 | acidtripper | vm are for grey people |
| 04:06.27 | acidtripper | or for working with several servers |
| 04:06.33 | acidtripper | load balancers, test |
| 04:06.38 | fnlkj | actually i never properly managed that myself, fully.. I mean specifically the partitioning..=s (never figured how to allocate space and drive(s) (ssd or other....to optimize properly) .. less so on bsd too (zfs pools..) =S |
| 04:06.46 | acidtripper | but.. if you want linux install linux and fuckup that windows in the hole |
| 04:06.54 | awal1 | or just install it into an usb if not ready for a real hardware |
| 04:07.09 | acidtripper | humm you will have to rean fnlkj and get compromised |
| 04:07.11 | awal1 | real hardware i mean computer |
| 04:07.21 | acidtripper | read* |
| 04:07.23 | fnlkj | acidtripper: yeah i know..ive been meaning to (install on my main comp) for too many years now already, and just leave WIn for good and force myself to push thru the phase in the start where i have to overcome issues n whatnot |
| 04:07.23 | acidtripper | start reading |
| 04:07.36 | acidtripper | take a distro orientated to know.. with less gui interfaces |
| 04:07.46 | acidtripper | you have to learn to use console, configuration files |
| 04:07.52 | acidtripper | that's linux spirit |
| 04:07.55 | awal1 | fnlkj, what is your real question? |
| 04:07.59 | acidtripper | and take out of your head de fancy idea |
| 04:08.11 | fnlkj | i pretty much only ever used console, dont know much about the gui really |
| 04:08.14 | acidtripper | and graphics, if you want to learn real linux /unix |
| 04:08.22 | awal1 | debian image for that windows linux subsystem or not aure how called? |
| 04:08.31 | retrojeff | $ dd if=linux_distro_of_choice.iso of=/dev/(USB) |
| 04:08.31 | fnlkj | yes,that'd be nice |
| 04:08.32 | acidtripper | install virtualbox |
| 04:08.33 | awal1 | ask microsoft |
| 04:08.47 | awal1 | that is microsoft thing |
| 04:08.56 | fnlkj | or somehow turn that ubuntu into something to be able to treat like debian pretty much (if possible..u tihnk?) |
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| 04:09.21 | acidtripper | fnlkj, stop asking silly questions won't be well recieved here |
| 04:09.31 | fnlkj | hm..seems lame tho, theyve just these few couple ones and not allow ppl to use other |
| 04:09.32 | acidtripper | download debian put it on pendrive and test it |
| 04:09.38 | acidtripper | or install it on virtualbox |
| 04:09.52 | acidtripper | end of my answer |
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| 04:10.21 | retrojeff | $ dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/(USB) |
| 04:10.26 | Synz | â§â¡MÃ¥dââVvòΠ|
| 04:10.33 | acidtripper | won't get any microsoft help here, neither to install in that shitty linux subsystem i dont know whatafac it os |
| 04:10.34 | acidtripper | ios |
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| 04:10.44 | fnlkj | i have deb and various deb-based linux vms, usb n various other memory cards,livecd and.. many configs on vbox/vmware |
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| 04:11.29 | acidtripper | so? |
| 04:11.36 | acidtripper | what do you want??????? |
| 04:11.45 | acidtripper | want linux install it on hard drive |
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| 04:11.54 | acidtripper | whant mess up.. continue in your way |
| 04:12.07 | fnlkj | hm,ifnot windows help,thought maybe..... let's assume we're stuck on a Ubuntu box (4real, fully Linux)..no way to turn that more into Debian somehow.. however the main difference preventing simple install of Deb kernel or such? |
| 04:12.28 | retrojeff | is Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org> russian ? |
| 04:12.45 | retrojeff | that name sounds very russian |
| 04:13.07 | mutante | fnlkj: there used to be "debtakeover" for that |
| 04:13.25 | mutante | to turn something else into Debian.. but that may be a thing from the past.. i am not sure :) |
| 04:13.33 | fnlkj | :o? used to..? - not anymore..for some reason? sounds cool.. |
| 04:13.37 | Synz | I'm trying to install Debian 9 on a Dell 2950 with a BCM5908 and BCM5909. During the install, it needs to load firmware for the NICs. I'm booted from the non-free ISO that has the allegedly has the firmware but it's not loading it. I also have the netinstall non-free ISO on a flash drive which I've mounted. I can see the .deb that has the firmware I need, but at this stage, debian-installer doesn't appear to have dpkg available at my disposal. hel |
| 04:13.39 | fnlkj | o..hmh..! |
| 04:13.48 | mutante | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTakeover |
| 04:13.53 | fnlkj | ty |
| 04:16.28 | Synz | s/ISO\ that\ has\ the/ISO\that/g |
| 04:17.01 | Synz | s/ISO\ that\ has\ the/ISO\ that/g |
| 04:17.23 | acidtripper | fnlkj, barely know anything about linux |
| 04:17.56 | acidtripper | kernel is the same in this system no difference between debian, ubuntu, redhat, etc. same kernel versions that every distro maintainer adds patches or security upgrades |
| 04:18.15 | acidtripper | but you wont notify any upgrade changing kernel |
| 04:18.54 | acidtripper | start reading |
| 04:18.58 | acidtripper | take debian installation guide |
| 04:19.04 | acidtripper | and install it at your own |
| 04:19.08 | acidtripper | asking doubts here |
| 04:19.14 | fnlkj | Synz: try see https://www.lifewire.com/linux-command-lsmod-4091958 & https://www.computerhope.com/unix/modprobe.htm |
| 04:19.17 | acidtripper | that would be a good way to start with debian |
| 04:19.46 | fnlkj | i hate reading long texts for hours on end..:\ lol |
| 04:19.49 | acidtripper | when you install it in a harddrive and get everything working continue reading. |
| 04:20.05 | acidtripper | so make you and idea you won't learn anything |
| 04:21.02 | fnlkj | i know i should... maybe ill manage to push myself to do so some day.hopefuly.. :d |
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| 04:22.10 | mutante | Synz: the way i did a similar thing before, i used the regular ISOs, not a special non-free one, but then i got the firmware file and put it on a flash drive and at the right installer step i can say "load from removable media" or so |
| 04:22.22 | mutante | (from a USB drive i mean) |
| 04:23.41 | Synz | mutante: I was given an option to laod from removable media but it did nothing, so I proceeded to the point where it wants to do network config which fails to obtrain an IP from the DHCP server |
| 04:24.39 | Synz | oh well,I'll skip network conffig for now, get the base system installed to where I have dpkg available then I'll dpkg -i it |
| 04:24.48 | Synz | thanks for the suggestion |
| 04:25.43 | mutante | Synz: if you have that option, do that, yes |
| 04:25.53 | mutante | in my case i needed wifi to work for the install to continue |
| 04:26.27 | mutante | but somehow it managed to detect the removable media |
| 04:27.56 | Synz | I can mount my flash drive under another virtual terminal... but I'm past the point where it was prompting me to install firmware |
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| 04:33.03 | nezZario | Hey guys....what would be the best way to allow authentication via sshd using a remote db of usernames/keys? |
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| 04:33.48 | retrojeff | so this is bullshit mysql-workbench 6.3.10 does not support mariadb at all |
| 04:34.12 | nezZario | seems there should be some kind of PAM(?) module for this, ... or even a "pam use external shell command to auth" module, but so far, I haven't found one. i found a mySQL pam module, .. but no, i don't mean mysql :( |
| 04:34.14 | annadane | ,v mysql-workbench |
| 04:34.15 | judd | Package: mysql-workbench on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.2.40+dfsg-2; jessie: 6.2.3+dfsg-7; stretch: 6.3.8+dfsg-1; buster: 6.3.8+dfsg-1+b3; sid: 6.3.8+dfsg-1+b3 |
| 04:34.25 | annadane | err |
| 04:34.25 | retrojeff | the mysql server package in the repos is just a metapackage for mariadb |
| 04:34.51 | retrojeff | are we forced to use mariadb on debian ? |
| 04:35.01 | annadane | mariadb is the mysql replacement, yes |
| 04:35.08 | retrojeff | well guess what |
| 04:35.20 | retrojeff | mysql-workbench does not support mariadb |
| 04:35.38 | annadane | 6.3.10 isn't in the debian repository... |
| 04:35.45 | retrojeff | I just tried 6.3.10 on a fresh ubuntu install |
| 04:35.55 | retrojeff | and it also complains about NOT supporting mariadb |
| 04:36.01 | annadane | shrugs |
| 04:36.26 | retrojeff | so I need a way to install mysql-server 5.7 |
| 04:36.38 | retrojeff | so that mysql-workbench will work |
| 04:36.40 | dudz | can't you just download that and install it? |
| 04:36.52 | dudz | *without using your package manager |
| 04:37.06 | retrojeff | package managers are designed to make upgrading easy |
| 04:37.15 | retrojeff | without them we are in dependancy hell |
| 04:37.39 | retrojeff | and what happens when mysql-server 5.8 comes out |
| 04:37.53 | retrojeff | and 5.7 is vuln to attacks and exploits |
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| 04:38.19 | dudz | by then hopefully workbench has updated to support mariadb? |
| 04:38.27 | retrojeff | why thrust mariadb on us |
| 04:38.28 | dudz | or between now and then, you could contact them |
| 04:38.37 | retrojeff | when even the GUI does not support it |
| 04:38.45 | retrojeff | does not seem fair |
| 04:39.26 | retrojeff | most of the GUI tools that support mariadb are windows based |
| 04:39.34 | retrojeff | which we love oh so dear (sarcasm) |
| 04:40.52 | dudz | GUI comes later right?, first you need a way to interact through the console |
| 04:41.13 | retrojeff | if I try to use mysql's APT it might conflict with some packages I already have installed |
| 04:41.36 | dudz | if your using ubuntu you are not on a production server anyway right? this is just a desktop we are talking about here |
| 04:41.59 | retrojeff | I am using KALI LINUX which is a pen testing distro |
| 04:42.04 | retrojeff | and it is Debian based |
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| 04:42.40 | retrojeff | I only have a 2nd laptop running ubuntu to test if workbench will connect to mariadb |
| 04:42.54 | retrojeff | which failed so I shut that laptop down |
| 04:43.14 | acidtripper | i retrojeff what are you testing? pentesting? |
| 04:43.30 | retrojeff | that question is not really important right now |
| 04:43.44 | retrojeff | point is workbench does not support mariadb |
| 04:43.54 | retrojeff | and debian uses mariadb now |
| 04:44.00 | hiexpo | #kali-linux |
| 04:44.21 | retrojeff | from my understanding mariadb is almost a 1:1 copy of mysql except for the branding? |
| 04:44.32 | dudz | retrojeff: maybe try a repository that doesn't have mariadb? |
| 04:44.49 | retrojeff | which repo would you suggest ? |
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| 04:46.04 | dudz | i dono, have a look |
| 04:46.17 | retrojeff | workbench was really only designed to run on ubuntu anyway |
| 04:46.31 | retrojeff | if there is a GUI that works in debian i'd use that |
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| 04:46.58 | th_ | good GUI for mariadb = DBeaver |
| 04:47.01 | retrojeff | I did find some JAVA based GUI (java sucks) but atleast it is OS independant |
| 04:48.27 | retrojeff | oh cool |
| 04:48.31 | retrojeff | it has a .deb |
| 04:48.35 | retrojeff | https://dbeaver.jkiss.org/files/dbeaver-ce_latest_amd64.deb |
| 04:49.00 | retrojeff | this should be added to the debian repos |
| 04:49.03 | th_ | works great, they should add it to debian repos |
| 04:49.09 | th_ | yea lol |
| 04:49.11 | retrojeff | yea |
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| 04:49.20 | retrojeff | please ask them to add it to the repos |
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| 04:50.35 | retrojeff | hrmmmmmmm it has a PPA but its for ubuntu |
| 04:50.42 | retrojeff | maybe will work under debian |
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| 04:51.49 | retrojeff | looks like it works in kali :) |
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| 05:16.00 | annadane | sigh |
| 05:16.17 | annadane | retrojeff, please don't take your kali problems to #debian next time |
| 05:16.51 | annadane | there are some things which have similarities and which are generic questions which we *can* answer but if you're using versions of programs not in the repository that's especially something we can't help with |
| 05:16.58 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 05:16.58 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 05:17.26 | retrojeff | that channel is dead quiet |
| 05:17.39 | retrojeff | and in a way it is also a debian problem |
| 05:17.40 | annadane | "even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent" |
| 05:18.21 | annadane | if you insist on asking kali questions then specify in the first place that you're using kali |
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| 05:19.01 | retrojeff | the distro here is not really the problem |
| 05:19.11 | retrojeff | as I also looked in the debian repos |
| 05:19.18 | retrojeff | and saw the same problem |
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| 05:19.26 | retrojeff | debian uses mariadb |
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| 05:19.35 | retrojeff | debian has mysql-workbench |
| 05:19.39 | annadane | whatever, i'm not going to draw this out |
| 05:19.48 | retrojeff | mysql-workbench is not supporting mariadb |
| 05:19.52 | annadane | the point is it's the wrong place to ask without at least qualifying that it's kali you're talking about |
| 05:19.54 | retrojeff | so that makes it a debian problem |
| 05:19.57 | annadane | no it doesn't |
| 05:20.01 | annadane | i'm done here |
| 05:20.05 | retrojeff | wow |
| 05:20.34 | retrojeff | if I fire up a brand new debian install on a laptop |
| 05:20.42 | retrojeff | chances are I will run into the same issue |
| 05:21.09 | retrojeff | sorry for not taking the extra 20 min to prove it |
| 05:22.24 | awal1 | how to change nm-aplet theme cleanly? |
| 05:23.21 | retrojeff | are you asking about GTK themes? |
| 05:24.23 | awal1 | change icon theme for nm-applet |
| 05:24.26 | xormor | so, how do I make SE Linux "enforce" work in Debian stable "Stretch" 9? |
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| 05:25.03 | retrojeff | awal1, you should share what DE you are using in your question |
| 05:25.04 | awal1 | changing gtk theme for my wm doesn't help |
| 05:25.16 | awal1 | retrojeff, openbox |
| 05:25.31 | awal1 | using tint2 panel |
| 05:26.23 | awal1 | nm applet no fully visible on tint2 dark theme |
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| 06:09.38 | maxcell_ | there is no service on systemd called pulseaudio |
| 06:09.55 | maxcell_ | only alsa-restore.service alsa-state.service alsa-utils.service and i don't know what they do |
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| 07:27.14 | sd1074 | I hope it's not off topic... I want to migrate my home debian server to better hardware. I find refurbished servers like Dell R710 are rather cheap. For <$300 I can get a device with 2 power supplies, 2 x 2.26Ghz CPUs, 12 GB ECC memory. Why are they so cheap? It's almost the same price as a single newer Intel Xeon E5-2603V3 / 1.6 GHz processor. |
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| 07:30.15 | sd1074 | on the internet people talk about building a home server for $1-1.5K, but one can actually buy an entriprise level machine for under $300. What am I missing here? |
| 07:30.20 | jelly | sd1074: they're old, they have probably been used 24/7, their book value dropped to 0 and it's probably cheaper for the owner to sell them to anyone than to have to care about electronic waste |
| 07:31.25 | jelly | (also, they've probably been bought at a significant discount at start, not at retail price) |
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| 07:31.47 | sd1074 | jelly, if I am to use new HDDs, I feel like that machine may still work at least for other 5years, no? |
| 07:32.23 | jelly | it might be. You could however get two and keep one for spare parts. |
| 07:33.34 | sd1074 | so performance-wise it's not that much slower than let's say a server built on Intel Xeon E5-2603V3 |
| 07:33.45 | sd1074 | i mean if we compare CPUs |
| 07:34.09 | jelly | you did not say which generation it was, and which CPU models |
| 07:34.14 | sd1074 | Intel Xeon E5520 vs Intel Xeon E5-2603V3 |
| 07:34.33 | sd1074 | the first one costs like nothing |
| 07:34.59 | jelly | that's 3 or so generations, maybe 20-50% difference in performance per watt |
| 07:35.28 | jelly | or per core, I don't remember |
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| 07:36.06 | vlt | Hello. For one hard disk I get kernel warnings about "8 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors" and "8 Offline uncorrectable sectors". A long "Extended offline" test returned 0 errors. Can anyone help me understand what that means? smartctl output: http://termbin.com/uize |
| 07:36.14 | vlt | Which are the critical values here? |
| 07:36.23 | vlt | Why no error from self test? |
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| 07:37.47 | sd1074 | vlt, Reallocated_Sector_Ct Spin_Retry_Count End-to-End_Error Reported_Uncorrect Command_Timeout Current_Pending_Sector Offline_Uncorrectable |
| 07:38.00 | jelly | vlt: no critical values, disk firmware knows which blocks those are, you may have lost some data (up to 8 x 4KiB = 32KiB) if files have been placed exactly on bad blocks, and they will be reallocated once the OS writes there again. |
| 07:38.09 | sd1074 | check wikipedia for S.M.A.R.T. they have a nice table there |
| 07:38.25 | jelly | vlt: you want to watch for value _changes_ with time |
| 07:38.35 | vlt | sd1074: Thanks. |
| 07:39.28 | vlt | jelly: Thank you! Does the kernel make sure that the bas sectors aren't read when choosing from which of the redundant raid10 drives to read from? |
| 07:39.36 | jelly | it does not. |
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| 07:39.46 | jelly | oh, you have raid10? Then yes |
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| 07:40.18 | jelly | ask in #linux-raid (or do a web search) on how to force rewriting |
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| 07:44.03 | sd1074 | jelly, I am still trying to understand how to compare the two processors... here I see that the are pretty similar: https://ark.intel.com/compare/83349,40200 but the newer model is like 5 times more epxensive |
| 07:45.41 | sd1074 | what's the point of buying a new processor? I'd rather use 2 or 3 old ones if I can distribute the load |
| 07:45.55 | sd1074 | or am I missing something? |
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| 07:46.37 | jelly | sd1074: how are they similar? old one has 4 cores, half the cache and supports DDR3 |
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| 07:48.07 | jelly | it will be able to run about half the amount of VMs should you use it for virtualization |
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| 07:50.26 | jelly | sd1074: so you would not buy just a cpu, you'd buy cpu + motherboard + memory if you wanted the newer one |
| 07:50.44 | sd1074 | ok, so very roughly we can say that it's practical performance is half of newer processor. Still using 3 older CPUs is better than 1 newer. And DD3 is probably cheaper than DDR4 |
| 07:51.07 | jelly | only better if you have cheap electricity |
| 07:51.39 | jelly | and enough rack space |
| 07:51.44 | sd1074 | yes, with newer cpu, all the other hardware is also much more expensive, like 3 times |
| 07:52.23 | sd1074 | given that I don't have a rack... |
| 07:52.39 | sd1074 | it would not matter that much I guess |
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| 07:53.04 | sd1074 | thanks for your advice |
| 07:53.06 | jelly | the thing to keep in mind is the marketplace is stacked in favor of big players. That 3 times price _you're_ looking at? A multinational corporation will get 50% or 60% discount when they buy. |
| 07:53.56 | jelly | and the decommisioned 8 year old machine on ebay? Was probably bought with similar discount. |
| 07:54.25 | sd1074 | so for a regular human being it makes no sense to buy new hardware for a home server ... except HDDs |
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| 07:55.21 | jelly | small customers get shafted yes, but with rising electricity prices it might make sense to take say 2-3 year power bill into account |
| 07:55.59 | jelly | also, those machines are quite loud, hope you have a server room in your place |
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| 07:58.06 | jelly | if you have workloads that can be split across many cores, or want to set up a lab, a second hand server or three can be very nice |
| 07:58.07 | sd1074 | I do not :( |
| 07:59.14 | sd1074 | wow, I estimated electricity cost for 1 year with a 500W PSU, in massachusetts it's ~$700 |
| 07:59.50 | jelly | it won't be wasting the whole 500W all the time, when idle think more like 100-150W |
| 08:00.12 | sd1074 | ok, that's a bit better :) |
| 08:00.46 | jelly | newer CPUs are a lot more efficient when idle, but CPU is not the only thing that eats power in a server |
| 08:02.28 | jelly | a dell with E5520 is going to run debian just fine, my $work still has a dozen HP Proliants G5 in production |
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| 08:03.32 | jelly | I've bought off two dozen of those for like $5 and have no idea where to use half of those |
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| 08:04.12 | sd1074 | my current machine is a Dell Precision Workstation 650 which I got for free 4 years ago :) I installed a SATA controller and have two 3TB drives on it with Debian Jessie |
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| 08:12.04 | simbalion | Hi, according to the security tracker there's a new kernel, 4.9.82-1+deb9u2, but I don't see that in apt-cache policy? |
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| 08:15.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell simbalion -about bat |
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| 08:16.40 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 08:16.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 08:16.42 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3) |
| 08:17.38 | jelly | simbalion: and do an apt-get update again before getting all the info, just to be safe |
| 08:18.08 | simbalion | I did an update |
| 08:18.39 | simbalion | I've been using linux-image-amd64, is that why I don't see 4.9.82-1+deb9u2? It shows as 4.9.80-1+deb9u4 |
| 08:19.01 | jelly | apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 08:19.51 | jelly | but they're same version. Maybe it's just not uploaded to security repo yet. |
| 08:20.25 | simbalion | hrm actually it looks like I'm using a different kernel, how do I specify to use linux-image-amd64? |
| 08:20.35 | simbalion | I have it installed it's just not selected |
| 08:21.01 | jelly | you'd configure your boot loader to boot the one you want |
| 08:21.29 | jelly | or remove any newer kernels so that default distro one looks like the latest version |
| 08:21.38 | simbalion | These are VPS |
| 08:21.54 | simbalion | I think the kernel is selected from the control panel |
| 08:21.56 | simbalion | ugh |
| 08:22.22 | jelly | then that's your boot loader :-) |
| 08:22.35 | simbalion | I wonder if I can do it in curl, I bet I can |
| 08:23.03 | jelly | anyhoo, I don't see 4.9.82 available either. |
| 08:23.08 | simbalion | ah wait, it shows as DigitalOcean GrubLoader, so I should be able to do it at the OS level |
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| 08:45.49 | simbalion | this is really confusing |
| 08:46.21 | simbalion | uname shows 4.9.0-5-amd64 which is too old |
| 08:46.40 | simbalion | do I just uninstall that kernel and debian will start using the newer one? or will the system fail to boot? |
| 08:46.56 | jelly | 4.9.0-5-amd64 is current ABI |
| 08:47.02 | simbalion | ABI? |
| 08:47.06 | jelly | !kernel abi |
| 08:47.06 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
| 08:47.30 | simbalion | so |
| 08:47.46 | simbalion | 4.9.0-5-amd64 is the same as 4.9+80+deb9u4? |
| 08:48.07 | jelly | yes |
| 08:48.14 | simbalion | gosh that's confusing :) |
| 08:48.29 | jelly | and the new one will also have 4.9.0-5-amd64 abi version |
| 08:48.41 | simbalion | I get it |
| 08:49.09 | simbalion | so as long as I keep linux-image-amd64 updated then it should be updating my kernel and to make sure it's using the latest version I should check the apt-cache policy for linux-image-amd64? |
| 08:49.51 | simbalion | it's confusing but hey at least I don't have to compile new kernels |
| 08:49.51 | jelly | as long as you use apt/aptitude full-upgrade, or apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:56.10 | simbalion | Thanks for your help |
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| 10:39.32 | petn-randall | maxcell_: You already asked in the right channel, no need to crosspost. |
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| 10:44.00 | maxcell_ | petn-randall: yeah, debian-next seems a little empty |
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| 10:45.09 | maxcell_ | petn-randall: when i run udevadm monitor, it seems like debian is overwriting the udev permissions at the end, no metter what |
| 10:45.21 | petn-randall | maxcell_: You need to be a little patient, it might take a while for people to respond on IRC. |
| 10:45.42 | maxcell_ | ok np |
| 10:46.41 | maxcell_ | just wanna know if this is the case on debian systems, overwriting the udev permissions no matter what. |
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| 11:02.36 | spacedust | hi |
| 11:03.27 | spacedust | im using bitnami which uses debian jessie, im using this in a virtualbox. my problem is it wont shut down when i do acpi shutdown, so i have to manually shut it down |
| 11:03.38 | spacedust | couldnt anyone tell me what could i do to make it shut down ? |
| 11:03.43 | spacedust | maybe its missing some package ? |
| 11:04.37 | somiaj | what do you mean by manually shutdown? And why not just run 'shutdown -h now' or some other command from the vm? |
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| 11:07.01 | spacedust | somiaj: well if i close virtualbox or issue a acpi shutdown command via virtualbox , that is like pressing the power button or at least it should be like that |
| 11:07.36 | spacedust | somiaj: the idea is if i configure my system to send a shutdown message when i shut down my HOST then it should do it automagically instead of me first loging in and pressing buttons :) |
| 11:07.39 | somiaj | maybe install the guest tools |
| 11:07.39 | spacedust | i mean typing commands |
| 11:07.42 | spacedust | hmm |
| 11:07.49 | somiaj | ,v virtualbox-guest-dkms |
| 11:07.50 | judd | Package: virtualbox-guest-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.6-dfsg-5; |
| 11:07.51 | judd | sid/contrib: 5.2.8-dfsg-1 |
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| 11:08.58 | spacedust | well it seems this bitnami is a special kind of thingy and does not have virtualbox-guest-dkms ... strange |
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| 11:09.18 | somiaj | oh so this is not debian? |
| 11:09.37 | spacedust | well lsb_release says debian jessie ! but its bitnami, something like turnkey linux |
| 11:09.40 | somiaj | or as you should have seen, the packge is in contrib, and you most likely want the package in jessie-backports contrib. |
| 11:09.48 | somiaj | but we don't support based on debian here |
| 11:09.53 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 11:09.53 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 11:09.58 | spacedust | cat /etc/debian_version = 8.10 |
| 11:10.27 | spacedust | yeah i do understand completely, still i thought it might worth a try :) |
| 11:10.28 | themill | can't you get libvirt to talk to the guest for you? |
| 11:10.40 | spacedust | themill: i dont have libvirt |
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| 11:11.08 | somiaj | its virtualbox in this case, and I'm surprised it isn't working, maybe the guest tools are needed (though be kinda suprised they are needed for the acpi compadaiblity) |
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| 11:11.56 | themill | I thought libvirt could tell vbox guests to start up/shut down too |
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| 11:12.19 | themill | (vague memory, haven't touched vbox in years) |
| 11:12.27 | somiaj | it can, I just assume people using virtualbox are using its control tools and not libvirt |
| 11:12.40 | spacedust | found something will give it a try : https://www.hiroom2.com/2016/10/21/debian-8-shutdown-with-pressing-power-button/ |
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| 11:14.56 | spacedust | never mind , ill figure it out somehow :) thanks a lot anyway |
| 11:15.07 | spacedust | in the end ill go install pure debian and this bitnami thingy on top of it :) |
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| 11:17.06 | xiia | hello everyone. i have a question regarding installation of different packages from "unsecure" repos. I would like to install packages such as qtile, zsh etc. I managed to configure my wifi without problems for example, but everything else seems to be a bit of a hassle. I am somewhat of a beginner to linux |
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| 11:17.34 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 11:17.34 | dpkg | somebody said dont break debian was https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 11:18.05 | xiia | after adding deb links to sources.list etc, apt update gives an error/warning message regarding unsecure repos |
| 11:18.10 | somiaj | Not sure what you mean by unsecure repos, but if you mean third party repos, then I would read that link. If you are having trouble with secure-apt, that is another issue. |
| 11:18.19 | somiaj | what did you add to your sources.list? |
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| 11:20.35 | optraz | whenever i apt-get install libglx0-glvnd-nvidia , it remove a lot of packages , including bumblebee xorg* gdm3, etc |
| 11:20.41 | optraz | is there a problem? |
| 11:20.43 | BanHammor | a beginner in linux installing qtile. Really? |
| 11:20.47 | xiia | For example, when I added iwlwifi to sources.list, I had no problems. I assumed whenever I have a "deb [link]" i add it to my sources.list first, then I can use apt. It has worked so far. Im having issues with qtile for example, or zsh |
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| 11:21.50 | BanHammor | can i ask why you are using qtile, xiia? |
| 11:22.27 | somiaj | add iwlwifi to your sources.list? That doens't sound like something you add to your sources.list |
| 11:22.45 | somiaj | can you share your sources.list at paste.debian.net, and we can see what sources you are actually using. |
| 11:22.49 | spacedust | somiaj: i dont know if adding tyhat file /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn from that webpage (bvtw events directory was empty) or adding MODULES="all" in /etc/defaults/acpid helped, but now its working :D |
| 11:23.44 | xiia | well, i have used it on ubuntu before, and I would like to make my linux look the way I want it to. Im new to debian, and I would like to learn more about linux in the process |
| 11:23.46 | spacedust | probably i was missing acpid power button module ? |
| 11:25.20 | somiaj | xiia: If you want help, you need to give actual information. What is your sources.list. It really sounds like you need to read that don't break debian link I had the bot paste. |
| 11:25.50 | xiia | Im sorry for not being specific. For example, if I add the official repo for iwlwifi, then use apt, everything works. Im having issues with unofficial repos and I dont know how exactly can I avoid that. |
| 11:27.23 | somiaj | xiia: can y ou please share the exact repos you are adding. Put a copy of your sources.list at paste.debian.net and let us know which repo is causing problems. |
| 11:27.46 | xiia | Yes, thank you. I will do that in a moment |
| 11:27.56 | somiaj | you are still not beign specific. Specific means you copy/paste the exact repo or exact output you are getting from the commands you are running |
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| 11:33.32 | maxcell_ | did anybody knows if debian overrides the udev permissions when you try to change it by adding a udev rule file/ |
| 11:34.11 | maxcell_ | man i would be very glad if somebody could only tell me that |
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| 11:36.44 | optraz | is there a way to check if a package is conflict with another? |
| 11:41.01 | oo_miguel | I run: 'sudo -u miguel notify-send "test"' from a script invoked via udev, and expect to see a info-bubble on my (miguel user) X. It works if i run the same script as root from a xterm. What am I missing here? |
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| 11:41.20 | petn-randall | optraz: Which OS are you running? |
| 11:41.27 | petn-randall | and release? |
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| 11:47.33 | optraz | petn-randall: testing |
| 11:47.48 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 11:47.48 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:48.02 | petn-randall | optraz: Let's continue in the channel above. ^^^ |
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| 11:49.32 | optraz | ohh, oftc |
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| 11:55.18 | anzipex | Can somebody here help me with ncurses for arm? |
| 11:55.24 | anzipex | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.30 | anzipex | It has error "Error opening terminal: xterm." |
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| 12:10.11 | jelly | anzipex: which debian release is that? terminal type "xterm" ought to be available. |
| 12:10.50 | jelly | anzipex: does "echo $TERM" in your shell say anything other than just xterm? |
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| 12:15.50 | anzipex | # xterm |
| 12:15.53 | anzipex | Warning: This program is an suid-root program or is being run by the root user. |
| 12:15.53 | anzipex | The full text of the error or warning message cannot be safely formatted |
| 12:15.53 | anzipex | in this environment. You may get a more descriptive message by running the |
| 12:15.53 | anzipex | program as a non-root user or by removing the suid bit on the executable. |
| 12:15.53 | anzipex | xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: %s |
| 12:15.53 | anzipex | xterm: DISPLAY is not set |
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| 12:16.19 | anzipex | Wow, sorry for that |
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| 12:17.06 | anzipex | "echo $TERM" saying /usr/bin/xterm |
| 12:18.17 | anzipex | If i run xterm it says "Xt error: Can't open display %s" |
| 12:18.26 | jelly | anzipex: that's TERM value is wrong. It should be the name of an existing terminfo definition, so just "xterm" |
| 12:18.26 | anzipex | "DISPLAY is not set" |
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| 12:19.18 | anzipex | Right, i mean "which $TERM" shows me the path |
| 12:19.27 | jelly | I didn't ask for that. |
| 12:19.32 | anzipex | "echo $TERM" shows xterm |
| 12:19.39 | jelly | that's fine then. |
| 12:20.09 | jelly | anzipex: which debian release is this? How did you install debian? |
| 12:22.49 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 12:22.49 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 12:24.53 | anzipex | "# cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*}" says: PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid" |
| 12:25.24 | jelly | anzipex: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
| 12:25.46 | anzipex | -bash: lsb_release: command not found |
| 12:26.43 | jelly | weird |
| 12:27.00 | jelly | that looks like a very old testing version, pre-debian-9 release |
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| 12:27.17 | anzipex | It works on IMX6 Embedded Single Board Computer |
| 12:27.37 | jelly | how do you log in? |
| 12:27.53 | jelly | ssh? console? |
| 12:30.13 | jelly | anzipex: does any other curses-based tool work? eg. dialog --infobox blah 5 20 |
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| 12:31.33 | anzipex | Login via ssh |
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| 12:33.09 | anzipex | Hm... I don't understand |
| 12:33.57 | anzipex | You mean command line option? |
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| 12:38.04 | tomreyn | anzipex: can you run this command and does it generate a properly looking text graphics output? dialog --infobox blah 5 20 |
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| 12:41.48 | FinalX | jelly: lsb_release isn't installed on a very minimal system installs by default (like lxc containers for example). it comes with package lsb-release |
| 12:41.59 | FinalX | (just fyi) |
| 12:42.01 | jelly | anzipex: and if dialog is not installed, "whiptail --msgbox blah 5 20" |
| 12:42.50 | anzipex | dialog says nothing |
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| 12:43.08 | anzipex | whiptail shows me window with <Ok> |
| 12:43.23 | jelly | so curses works. |
| 12:43.54 | jelly | oops, whiptail is built with slang |
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| 12:44.54 | jelly | if dialog fails to draw a colored full-screen with a text box in the middle, that may point to problems with curses |
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| 12:46.25 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 12:46.33 | anzipex | It seems like it works normal |
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| 12:48.12 | jelly | anzipex: then curses appear to work. did you build your C++ app on this machine or someplace else? Is it open source? |
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| 12:48.40 | jelly | anzipex: you should probably reinstall/upgrade the system to debian 9 anyway. |
| 12:49.22 | anzipex | I build on my x86 machine in Netbeans IDE, it has toolchain with GNU EABI HF and arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++ compiler |
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| 12:49.45 | anzipex | It just simple hello world program |
| 12:49.59 | anzipex | The program fails on arm if it starts with initscr() in main() |
| 12:50.12 | anzipex | If i run this program on x86 it works fine |
| 12:50.29 | jelly | anzipex: can you build it natively instead |
| 12:51.29 | jelly | I guess the curses library it's built with expects to find terminfo someplace else than Debian keeps it |
| 12:51.36 | anzipex | Well, i tried to buid it from command line : "arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++ main.cpp -o main -lncurses" |
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| 12:56.01 | jelly | it any case, given you're running a testing (pre-release) stretch who knows what may be broken |
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| 13:03.02 | anzipex | I don't understand why mc and htop works well on that imx6 computer? It seems like they're using ncurses too |
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| 13:04.58 | jelly | anzipex: sure, but they're built against the actual version on the system |
| 13:05.44 | jelly | while your toolchain is using some other version possibly built with different paths |
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| 13:15.08 | mahafyi | hello. I would like to know if it is possible to install debian stretch amd_64 with the following options - to install with a set of sane defaults without any user interactions over PXE BOOT and to include a custom script in init.d. |
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| 13:16.58 | Ke | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-perf note that linux-perf is only not broken on x86 archs on buster right now, shouldn't the deps be coherent |
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| 13:23.01 | eddyC | Hello everyone |
| 13:25.15 | eddyC | I just installed Debian Stretch with Cinnamon. This DE comes in version 3.2 in stable branch. How could I upgrade to version 3.4 (the that comes with Linux Mint)? Do I need to upgrade to testing or there is a way to do this while keeping stable? I searched for stretch backports but I can't find any newer cinnamon packages. |
| 13:26.12 | mahafyi | https://wiki.debian.org/FAI looks promising on first glance... |
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| 13:28.25 | abrotman | or use preseeding |
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| 13:36.54 | mahafyi | abrotman : thanks - that looks gr8! |
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| 13:46.14 | Brigo | eddyC, there is not 3.4 cinnamon package for stretch, at least now, maybe in the future you'll get backports. |
| 13:46.28 | mahafyi | can preseeding also support pasing a luks2 password? |
| 13:46.42 | Brigo | eddyC, i don't think upgrate to buster is a good idea at least you know what you are doing. |
| 13:50.14 | eddyC | Okay, Brigo. Thanks! |
| 13:50.30 | Brigo | eddyC, np |
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| 13:50.40 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:51.07 | gypsymauro | I need to compile a debian 9 package to run on a debian 8, what's the best way to achieve this? |
| 13:51.46 | tw | gypsymauro: check if it's in backports, and if not, there's an easy backports guide on the wiki. |
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| 13:52.55 | jelly | gypsymauro: which one? |
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| 13:53.28 | gypsymauro | samba :D |
| 13:53.35 | jelly | ,v samba |
| 13:53.36 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u15; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; stretch: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; buster: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-1 |
| 13:53.55 | jelly | ,checkbackport samba --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie |
| 13:53.56 | judd | Backporting package samba in stretchâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libldb-dev (>= 2:1.1.27~), libtalloc-dev (>= 2.1.8~), libtdb-dev (>= 1.3.10~), libtevent-dev (>= 0.9.29~), python-ldb (>= 2:1.1.26~), python-ldb-dev (>= 2:1.1.26~), python-talloc-dev (>= 2.1.8~), python-tdb (>= 1.3.8~). |
| 13:54.09 | jelly | that's going to be interesting :-) |
| 13:54.26 | jelly | ,checkbackport tdb --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie |
| 13:54.27 | judd | Backporting package tdb in stretchâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 13:54.54 | gypsymauro | jelly: great :) |
| 13:57.07 | lupulo | why firefox not is called iceweasel, now? |
| 13:57.26 | lupulo | chromium world mute that. |
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| 13:59.13 | r2tw | lol |
| 13:59.15 | tw | branding issues were revolved with firefox. |
| 13:59.28 | tw | No reason to maintain the separate branding port. |
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| 14:02.28 | jelly | gypsymauro: read the recipe at /msg dpkg ssb, and /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 14:03.04 | jelly | gypsymauro: you'll have to backport all the missing build deps first, and install them, to be able to build samba |
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| 14:10.59 | lupulo | ok, thanks tw |
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| 14:13.04 | gypsymauro | jelly: thank you |
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| 14:27.18 | anzipex | jelly, if i connect by ssh with -X option then xterm works |
| 14:27.56 | anzipex | But my program still not working, if i launch it in this xterm window |
| 14:28.24 | anzipex | I guess it doesn't know where libs are |
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| 14:31.55 | jelly | anzipex: you do not have to start another xterm |
| 14:32.13 | jelly | the terminal you logged in is good enugh |
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| 14:47.21 | JohnA | I am building a new server i am trying to decide whether to use raid 10 or raid 0 for temp? |
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| 14:49.56 | jelly | JohnA: depends on whether you value performance or uptime more |
| 14:50.12 | jelly | raid0 will die when ANY member dies |
| 14:52.17 | slax0r | raid0 doesn't sound all that much fun for servers |
| 14:52.43 | greycat | wonders what "temp" is (/tmp ??) and why it needs to be RAIDed at all. |
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| 14:54.39 | jelly | the answer to "why" is also either uptime or performance |
| 14:54.58 | apollo13 | isn't /tmp a ramfs usually anyways? /me imagines a raid10 of ram disks :D |
| 14:55.08 | jelly | it better not be ramfs |
| 14:55.17 | greycat | why not? |
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| 14:56.14 | jelly | ramfs is not backed by swap, it's an easy way any any user to eat up as much RAM as you allow it to |
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| 14:56.39 | jelly | tmpfs is saner for /tmp |
| 14:58.20 | JohnA | jelly, why - performance, multiple drives (5 drives), reliability would favour raid 10. |
| 14:59.18 | jelly | performance would favor raid0 |
| 14:59.25 | jelly | odd number of disks, too |
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| 14:59.46 | apollo13 | jelly: ah, didn't realize that ramfs was a thing, I generally ment RAM baked fs |
| 15:00.17 | jelly | it's a thing! |
| 15:01.14 | JohnA | jelly, I was thinking raid 10 with a spare. know any "good" article on allocating space for a server? |
| 15:01.17 | jelly | it's basically a frontend for linux vfs, without an actual disk backend that all the other filesystem types have |
| 15:02.03 | jelly | not really, that sounds too vague |
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| 15:02.37 | jelly | is "don't allocate everything in advance, use LVM or similar" an article |
| 15:02.55 | gypsymauro | I've downloaded dsc tgz and so on files of a packages (not a debian one) how can I compile it? |
| 15:03.21 | greycat | If it's not a debian package, how would we know? |
| 15:03.32 | greycat | Follow the instructions for whatever kind of pacakge it is? |
| 15:04.23 | JohnA | jelly, how much overhead does LVM create, and as I have multiple drive what should the underling mechanism be raid or just disks? |
| 15:04.33 | gypsymauro | an original debian package I mean |
| 15:08.14 | jelly | JohnA: not much, and you can backend md and put lvm on top |
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| 15:08.37 | greycat | gypsymauro: if you're trying to say "It is a debian package, I am just not good at words", then /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 15:08.38 | jelly | lvm has its own raid1 but I wouldn't use that |
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| 15:09.01 | greycat | If it's NOT actually a Debian package, and the instructions don't work, then you are on your own. |
| 15:09.26 | jelly | dsc and tar sounds like a debian source package format |
| 15:09.37 | greycat | Right, but it could be an Ubuntu PPA or some other crap. |
| 15:09.51 | jelly | so even if it does not originate from debian, build process would be the same |
| 15:10.19 | greycat | except for the "apt-get build-dep" parts. |
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| 15:14.27 | clumsy_boy | is there some software that syncs my BIOS time? im having a hard time with it, everytime i boot debian this warning pops up saying that last mount time is in the future, i've even change the CMOS battery |
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| 15:14.44 | clumsy_boy | or do i just need to get it right in time? |
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| 15:17.36 | JohnA | jelly, Thanks I think I will have to do some more digging! |
| 15:18.24 | jelly | clumsy_boy: hwclock |
| 15:18.26 | tw | clumsy_boy: are you dual booting? |
| 15:18.49 | clumsy_boy | jelly, is there a man page? |
| 15:18.52 | jelly | it tries to sync automatically at shutdown |
| 15:18.52 | clumsy_boy | tw, yes |
| 15:19.06 | clumsy_boy | does it come with debian by default? |
| 15:19.12 | jelly | yes |
| 15:19.16 | tw | clumsy_boy: set windows to use UTC time, otherwise they will fight about it. |
| 15:19.36 | jelly | or tell Debian hardware clock is in local time. |
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| 15:19.49 | jelly | I forget how. |
| 15:19.49 | tw | Didn't know you could do that in early boot. |
| 15:19.56 | clumsy_boy | tw, UTC? im not from the uS if thats related... |
| 15:20.05 | greycat | it's not |
| 15:20.37 | jelly | !utc |
| 15:20.38 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
| 15:20.50 | greycat | Debian tries to use UTC by default, and Windows tries to use your local time zone by default. Change one or the other so that they agree. Your choice. |
| 15:21.12 | tw | clumsy_boy: arch wiki explains how to do it in Windows: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/time#UTC_in_Windows |
| 15:21.31 | jelly | presumably the !windows utc factoid does as well? |
| 15:21.51 | clumsy_boy | thanks i'll check this out |
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| 15:36.57 | henkka_hy | !start |
| 15:36.57 | dpkg | methinks start is what you have to press to stop in Windows |
| 15:38.27 | jelly | dpkg, forget start |
| 15:38.28 | dpkg | i forgot start, jelly |
| 15:39.04 | Butt3rfly | lol |
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| 15:46.42 | clumsy_boy | ok so i was able to run hwlock and stuff, but the warning message still shows up, so i'll asume because i'm dual booting, windows might be related to this issue |
| 15:47.11 | greycat | Either tell Windows to use UTC, or tell Debian to use Local Time. |
| 15:47.19 | clumsy_boy | how do i do that? |
| 15:47.24 | clumsy_boy | the windows one |
| 15:47.33 | greycat | By reading the bot factoids that were given last time you asked this. |
| 15:47.35 | greycat | !windows utc |
| 15:47.35 | dpkg | Setting the BIOS clock to <UTC> is a little more difficult if you dual-boot with legacy operating systems that think that local time is a good choice. Windows can be instructed to handle a BIOS clock in UTC too: http://superuser.com/a/185780/130459 |
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| 15:47.47 | jelly | or what t'w said. |
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| 15:47.50 | greycat | Or the arch wiki link that you were previously given, etc. |
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| 16:05.02 | thebigj | I am trying to make a ".deb" package of RethinkDB for Raspberry PI -3. I am under Raspbian. I prepared a build using this instruction https://rethinkdb.com/docs/install/raspbian/ and it ended successful. But while building ".deb" package, I am getting https://dpaste.de/i2xx/raw |
| 16:05.34 | thebigj | I don't have any experience of packaging. |
| 16:05.48 | thebigj | From google search I landed on https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf |
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| 16:06.17 | thebigj | From that I initial structure using dh_make utility. |
| 16:06.50 | jelly | thebigj: weeell. You probably want to ask in #packaging on irc.oftc.net, or #raspbian |
| 16:06.59 | jelly | #raspbian is here on freenode. |
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| 16:07.59 | thebigj | jelly: Okay. Thanks! |
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| 16:12.22 | jelly | thebigj: if you only care about binary packages you could skip over dpkg-source errors by adding -b to debuild/dpkg-buildpackage call |
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| 16:13.49 | thebigj | jelly: Okay. Thanks for helping |
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| 16:22.04 | thebigj | jelly: https://dpaste.de/etPk/raw Added "-b" but still ended with failure. |
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| 16:26.32 | jelly | thebigj: did you forget to put -- before params that are to be passed to ./configure |
| 16:26.45 | jelly | man dh_auto_configure |
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| 16:32.05 | linuxthefish | Hi, is it possible to stop the file /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness from being changed? |
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| 16:34.16 | linuxthefish | Whenever the power cable is unplugged from my laptop the screen dims even when no desktop environment is running, and when I plug the power back in the screen doesn't go back to full brightness |
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| 16:35.20 | linuxthefish | and when I run "echo 4422465 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness" on a loop I get super high cpu usage |
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| 16:35.39 | greycat | why would you run that in a loop instead of just once when it's needed? |
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| 16:36.35 | linuxthefish | greycat, because I have to run it every time my laptop is plugged in or unplugged, and I have bad electricity |
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| 16:37.27 | greycat | So just run it whenever the screen dims. Assign it to a function key or something so that you can do it in one keystroke. |
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| 16:38.35 | clumsy_boy | hello, im the guy with the hardware clock issue that came earlier, so, i managed to do a bunch'o things, although the issue still persists something i didnt expect happened, which was a good thing btw, so my debian system hasnt been able to uh recognize my monitor for a long time now, but after i ran the command hwclock -systohc, turned off my computer, unplugged it, my screen resolution its now detected, how might this be related? |
| 16:38.44 | clumsy_boy | is my mobo malfunctioning? this seems really out of place |
| 16:39.10 | greycat | It seems unlikely that your clock would affect this. |
| 16:39.32 | Tenkawa | greycat: I wonder if he never rebooted after updating the drivers |
| 16:39.43 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, i was looking for you! |
| 16:39.44 | Tenkawa | clumsy_boy: i didnt think about that the other night |
| 16:39.53 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, i did rebooted |
| 16:39.55 | Tenkawa | clumsy_boy: yeah been gone |
| 16:39.57 | linuxthefish | greycat, yeah I have it on a keyboard shortcut but I literally have to do it every minute, it would be nice if when the power was plugged back in the screen restored it's original brightness |
| 16:40.03 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, no problem, makes me happy to see ya |
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| 16:47.54 | Tenkawa | the acpi warnings will always show up |
| 16:48.00 | clumsy_boy | why is that? |
| 16:48.04 | clumsy_boy | a few years ago they didnt |
| 16:48.15 | clumsy_boy | when i tested ubuntu |
| 16:48.32 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, i think something important to say too, is I flashed my BIOS yesterday, updated it |
| 16:48.45 | Tenkawa | because there are hundreds more acpi components than existed then |
| 16:48.52 | Tenkawa | case in point... |
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| 16:48.59 | Tenkawa | omne line from my dmesg |
| 16:49.10 | clumsy_boy | funny, im checking dmesg right now |
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| 16:49.18 | thebigj | jelly: I am not sure how to provide them but https://rethinkdb.com/docs/install/raspbian/ this instruction was adding two option --with-system-malloc --allow-fetch at ./configure so I overriden them at 'debian/rules' file https://dpaste.de/vyqg/raw |
| 16:49.30 | Tenkawa | ACPI Error: [WLVD] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (201708 |
| 16:49.30 | Tenkawa | 31/psargs-364) |
| 16:49.39 | Tenkawa | I have plenty of them |
| 16:49.47 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, very interesting |
| 16:49.47 | thebigj | jelly: AT dh_auto_configure |
| 16:49.57 | Tenkawa | its nothing to worry about |
| 16:50.01 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, do you have this one? sp5100_tco: I/O address 0x0cd6 already in use |
| 16:50.08 | clumsy_boy | i've read on google its just a bug |
| 16:50.28 | Tenkawa | thats only going to be relevelant to those who have your exact scenario |
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| 16:50.43 | clumsy_boy | what do you mean |
| 16:50.53 | Tenkawa | thats a watchdog module |
| 16:51.06 | Tenkawa | which I dont |
| 16:51.09 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, still dont understand, sorry lol. |
| 16:51.22 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.26 | Tenkawa | you do |
| 16:51.50 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, only thing i know is, its a "module" |
| 16:52.00 | clumsy_boy | although i dont know what its function is |
| 16:52.47 | Tenkawa | oh.. actually I do.. however mine actually works |
| 16:53.00 | Tenkawa | but I have plenty of other errors |
| 16:53.09 | jelly | thebigj: that looks like the right place but your syntax for dh_auto_configure is incorrect |
| 16:53.23 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, haha, why does yours work though? |
| 16:53.39 | Tenkawa | clumsy_boy: who says yours isnt? |
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| 16:54.09 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, huh |
| 16:54.11 | jelly | thebigj: see the man page, and generated comment at the bottom |
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| 16:54.30 | jelly | thinkpad: you probably want dh_auto_configure -- --with-system-malloc --allow-fetch |
| 16:54.40 | jelly | thebigj: you probably want dh_auto_configure -- --with-system-malloc --allow-fetch |
| 16:54.43 | Tenkawa | some of these modules try to load regardless of if you have the hardware or not |
| 16:54.52 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, just curious, how do your boot warnings look like? |
| 16:54.55 | thebigj | jelly: Okay. Trying that |
| 16:54.57 | Tenkawa | thus you get misplaced errors |
| 16:55.13 | Tenkawa | errors/warnings |
| 16:56.13 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, anyways, you've been very helpful, thanks |
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| 16:56.36 | Tenkawa | clumsy_boy: Thanks...btw when you run xwininfo now does it give you the expected resolution? |
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| 16:57.07 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, let me check |
| 16:57.11 | Tenkawa | ok. |
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| 16:57.23 | clumsy_boy | Tenkawa, yes |
| 16:57.26 | Tenkawa | cool |
| 16:57.44 | Tenkawa | ok.. I'll be back in a little while.. need to go grab lunch... |
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| 17:02.39 | clumsy_boy | why does synaptic on GNOME have such an ugly looking icon lol |
| 17:02.47 | clumsy_boy | does anybody here like GNOME? |
| 17:03.01 | noodlepie | I love GNOME |
| 17:03.17 | noodlepie | but use Gentoo on my laptop so no synaptic. I use the cli for updaind |
| 17:03.21 | noodlepie | updating |
| 17:03.25 | nkuttler | !start a de war |
| 17:03.25 | dpkg | KDE blows goats! |
| 17:03.34 | noodlepie | Debian is on our communal PC downstairs |
| 17:03.50 | clumsy_boy | noodlepie, i do also like GNOME a lot, i've tried KDE before and i cant keep up with customization, i really just want a ready-to-use system |
| 17:03.58 | noodlepie | Because I have an i7 8 cpu, I plumped for a source dist but the AMD 2cpu runs debian perfectly |
| 17:04.15 | clumsy_boy | noodlepie, i see |
| 17:04.29 | noodlepie | mate, xfce or enlightenment are smaller than GNOME/KDE and are easy to use |
| 17:04.51 | noodlepie | I love wmaker (GNUStep) too |
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| 17:05.03 | noodlepie | Its an oldtime classic and a little different to other desktop manangers |
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| 17:05.34 | clumsy_boy | noodlepie, i'd like to use a window manager like i3 someday but i still got to learn a lot, btw is debian too bad for a desktop? i mean, because of old packages |
| 17:05.37 | noodlepie | stick them all on and install gdm to choose which you use when logging in. They are much smaller and faster than gnome/kde so this may be your cup of tea |
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| 17:06.44 | noodlepie | clumsy_boy, Debian is fine for any pc task, desktop or server. Having older packages on the disk doesn't mean they are running so they'd use no cpu or memory. You can do "apt-get autoremove" or is it "apt-get autodelete" to get rid of ld packages |
| 17:07.10 | greycat | autoremove is what you wanted |
| 17:07.22 | noodlepie | thx greycat |
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| 17:07.36 | clumsy_boy | if i want to completely remove something i use apt-get purge --autoremove, is that fine? |
| 17:08.05 | greycat | If that does what you wanted, then yes. |
| 17:09.32 | clumsy_boy | ;) |
| 17:09.34 | thebigj | jelly: https://dpaste.de/41Db/raw |
| 17:09.55 | thebigj | jelly: will you need source code? |
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| 17:10.11 | thebigj | jelly: Please write back if you are expecting output of any specific file. Thanks! |
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| 17:11.57 | jelly | thebigj: dh_auto_override is already outside my area of competence, sorry |
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| 17:13.00 | jelly | thebigj: I'd ask #packaging where that --build= is coming from and how to get rid of it (or how to update ./configure to a version that understands it) |
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| 17:13.57 | jelly | (remember, it's on OFTC not this network) |
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| 17:15.07 | jelly | back in my days we had hard coded ./configure invocation directly in debian/rules!!11one |
| 17:15.10 | thebigj | jelly: I am aware of it. Thanks, I will continue asking there. |
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| 17:45.46 | ageis | FYI |
| 17:45.47 | ageis | Err:81 http://ftp.us.debain.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease |
| 17:45.47 | ageis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.53 | ageis | since this morning |
| 17:46.03 | ageis | haha |
| 17:46.04 | ageis | typo |
| 17:46.05 | ageis | disregard |
| 17:46.13 | greycat | debain.org is a typo |
| 17:46.31 | ageis | is silly |
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| 17:47.32 | petn-randall | The only part missing is "I haven't touched anything, it just started throwing these errors!" ;) |
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| 17:48.15 | ageis | user rorr |
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| 18:00.20 | Tenkawa | ahh much better |
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| 18:07.52 | geejay | havent been on here for a good while. just checking if i still work |
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| 18:12.39 | RoyK | geejay: apparently, it does ;) |
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| 18:14.04 | jelly | hopefully you still work |
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| 18:33.06 | ori | What is the right syntax to apt remove all packages containing 'foobar'? apt remove *foobar* doesn't match :i386 variants |
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| 18:33.45 | greycat | IMO the right syntax would be to explicitly list each package you want to remove. |
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| 18:34.10 | jelly | ori: what do you really want to do? |
| 18:34.13 | JustASlacker | peoples of debian! |
| 18:34.41 | JustASlacker | what do you use for patch managment? is the a spacewalk like thing for debian based systems |
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| 18:36.03 | ori | jelly, remove all packages containing 'foobar' in their name, regardless of arch. If your instinct is "being in this situation is a sign something went wrong earlier", you are not wrong, but the reasons are complicated and not trivial to address :) |
| 18:36.29 | jelly | ori: and regardless of which source package they're built from? |
| 18:36.38 | jelly | are they all coming from the same source? |
| 18:36.59 | ori | yes to the former, no to the latter |
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| 18:37.02 | ori | i.e., more than one source |
| 18:37.16 | jelly | (because choosing by that would be more sane and less prone to errors) |
| 18:37.47 | jelly | sigh, linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64:amd64 |
| 18:38.05 | jelly | it would be easier if they just gave up on ABI compatibility |
| 18:39.41 | Tenkawa | heheh |
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| 18:40.26 | JustASlacker | no spacewalk? O_o |
| 18:40.42 | jelly | ori: aptitude search '~i ~ninux-image' |
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| 18:41.10 | jelly | replace inux-image with a different substring |
| 18:41.37 | jelly | replace search with remove or purge after confirming search results, ori |
| 18:42.03 | jelly | JustASlacker: maybe we just don't know of one |
| 18:42.05 | ori | interesting; I had not encountered this syntax before |
| 18:42.09 | ori | thank you |
| 18:42.17 | ori | I take it this is aptitude-specific? |
| 18:42.22 | greycat | yes, quite |
| 18:42.35 | jelly | it's one of the things aptitude is good at |
| 18:43.26 | jelly | unescaped * in command line just make me nervous |
| 18:43.33 | greycat | As it should. |
| 18:44.29 | jelly | bash authors should answer for their not defaulting to failglob |
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| 18:45.04 | greycat | It goes back long before bash. The entire core unix command set relies on it. rm *.txty -> "no such file or directory" |
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| 18:46.47 | a-steve | Hello guys, I was wondering what should we expect from gemini-pda running debian |
| 18:46.49 | greycat | And by this point, people typing crap like apt remove php* would make too much noise if something like failglob happened. |
| 18:47.23 | jelly | they should suffer for their sine |
| 18:47.31 | dol | hi all. I have updated my system to debian 9 and I also updated bitbucket from 4.10 to 5.8. bitbucket service is up and running but I lost webUI of bitbucket. This is not much related to debian but I am begging some help here. |
| 18:47.39 | jelly | sins, too. And other trigonometry. |
| 18:47.41 | greycat | jelly: One word: Ubuntu. |
| 18:48.18 | jelly | dol: bitbucket server? |
| 18:48.24 | dol | yes jelly. |
| 18:48.26 | jelly | #atlassian is that way -> |
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| 18:49.21 | Tenkawa | has confluence flashbacks |
| 18:49.27 | dol | can somebody who has experience in bitbucket server PM me please? |
| 18:49.45 | greycat | Why not just go to the channel that supports it? |
| 18:50.29 | jelly | dol: and verify your apache configuration is properly updated from 2.2 to 2.4, too, if it uses apache |
| 18:50.51 | jhutchins_wk | I think it's tomcattish. |
| 18:51.07 | Tenkawa | check the normal stuff like logs and such |
| 18:51.08 | jelly | so that'd be a "maybe yes maybe no" |
| 18:51.47 | jelly | apache mod_proxy + ajp connector on tomcat is a common setup |
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| 18:52.09 | dol | I will check. thanks. |
| 18:52.43 | Tenkawa | Any of you been aroun long enough to remember Remedy? |
| 18:53.02 | greycat | only the Black Crowes song |
| 18:53.17 | Tenkawa | just really felt his age looking at the wikipedia page |
| 18:53.48 | Tenkawa | it was a ticketining system back in 1990 |
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| 18:54.03 | Tenkawa | I use to admin it on NCR SVR4 boxes |
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| 18:54.34 | greycat | SVR4. Good old #=backspace @=kill defaults. |
| 18:54.38 | phogg | Tenkawa: remember? Lots of people still use it |
| 18:54.39 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 18:55.43 | phogg | Tenkawa: I was using it as recently as 2012, and that company probably hasn't switched since I've been away. |
| 18:55.56 | Tenkawa | phogg: well the company itself went bankrupt in 2002.. I'm not talking about the one that got bought by peregrine.. then by bmc |
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| 18:56.18 | phogg | Tenkawa: you mean there's an even old, even worse version?! |
| 18:56.35 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 18:56.40 | Tenkawa | it was really bad |
| 18:56.46 | dol | I don't see any process for apache2. What I have is only /etc/apache2/ which is almost empty. |
| 18:56.51 | phogg | has a hard time imagining something worse |
| 18:57.22 | Tenkawa | it did teach me a lot about troubleshooting design though |
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| 18:57.40 | Tenkawa | i am not very good at visuals |
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| 18:58.05 | Tenkawa | I'm a hardware/low level type |
| 18:58.16 | Tenkawa | not a front end/gui design person |
| 18:58.37 | Tenkawa | so it was a good learning experience |
| 18:58.43 | phogg | Tenkawa: I don't know that anyone *likes* UI design. Any programmers, that is. |
| 18:58.56 | Tenkawa | my wife seems to |
| 18:59.50 | Tenkawa | she combines code and visuals well though |
| 19:00.00 | Tenkawa | she's got a knack for it |
| 19:00.08 | jhutchins_wk | dol: Atlassian is usually very helpful. At least try the irc channel, and look on their web site for support options. |
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| 19:00.51 | cheapie | I had to program and develop the UI for a school project a while back. There are screenshots in the "manual": https://cheapiesystems.com/media/furnace-manual.pdf |
| 19:00.56 | greycat | wonders if they shrug frequently, then wonders how many hundreds of times they hear that joke |
| 19:01.31 | cheapie | Yes, there are a few typos and formatting errors in the manual. I know, it was a last-minute thing :P |
| 19:01.39 | jelly | dol: well if you see a java process, and lsof shows it's listening on common http service ports like 80 or 443 or 8080, then that's it |
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| 19:02.14 | jelly | and be patient in #atlassian it's small and really only active during work hours |
| 19:02.34 | Tenkawa | dol: do you have shell access to the machine? |
| 19:02.37 | jelly | (by definition, those work hours are in a timezone wildly different than yours) |
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| 19:04.12 | clumsy_boy | is it ok if i uninstall a bunch of GNOME related software that i dont need?, my system wont break right? |
| 19:04.43 | greycat | GNOME might break. Do you care? |
| 19:04.54 | kirk781 | greycat: GNOME breaks always |
| 19:05.11 | clumsy_boy | i do, maybe i'd have to switch desktop enviroments then, but i gnome doesnt show up as installed... |
| 19:05.15 | greycat | As long as you don't remove anything fundamental to apt/dpkg, you can always reinstall whatever you should've kept. |
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| 19:05.36 | greycat | "gnome" is just a meta-package, not actually anything important. |
| 19:05.39 | greycat | !install gnome |
| 19:05.40 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 19:05.50 | clumsy_boy | hm |
| 19:05.53 | Tenkawa | better question is why do you want to remove them when you are just learning |
| 19:06.02 | clumsy_boy | nvm then |
| 19:06.06 | Tenkawa | its safer to leave them for now |
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| 19:08.39 | jelly | we don't have an updated !remove gnome |
| 19:09.28 | greycat | Shotgun to the hard drive usually works. |
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| 19:18.52 | rhizome | can i configure apt-listchanges not to send individual emails per package? it's weird: sometimes i get one, digest-style, but other times i wake up in the morning and see 20 single-package messages. |
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| 19:36.47 | rant | rhizome: are you sure they're the same kind of email? apt-listchanges can send different kinds of emails, News, Changelogs, etc |
| 19:36.49 | jehorn | Good day everyone |
| 19:37.19 | rant | there arent a whole lot of settings for it though.. but it is written in python which would make it fairly easy to customize |
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| 19:41.36 | rhizome | rant: they're just normal update changelogs: "apt-listchanges: changelogs for $hostname" |
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| 19:47.45 | rant | shrugs |
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| 19:48.09 | rhizome | yeah it's not a dealbreaker or anything, just a peeve |
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| 19:48.45 | rant | rhizome: you familiar with python at all? its all in /usr/share/apt-listchanges/apt_listchanges.py and its only like 500 lines of code (including comments and whitespace) |
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| 19:57.31 | rant | rhizome: well the stuff related to emailing is there anyhow, the compiling/parsing is done mostly in /usr/share/apt-listchanges/DebianFiles.py and if you just wanna reconfigure how it calls those funcitons you'd look at /usr/bin/apt-listchanges and edit the main loop.. have it compile em all together before calling the email function |
| 19:59.30 | rhizome | yeah, maybe i'll poke around in there. the single mail compiler is already in there, so i'd have to maybe just push everything through that |
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| 20:00.21 | rant | yeah if you are familiar with python those are the 3 main files, and its about 1000 lines total.. pretty clean code, not well commented, but it seems fairly self-explanitory |
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| 20:01.37 | rant | only formatting options I see is plain or html emails, and which types of emails to send |
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| 20:20.02 | sethkush | I can't get deadkeys to work in the console |
| 20:20.34 | sethkush | I use Macintosh (US) layout so I can type altgr+e e to get é |
| 20:21.16 | sethkush | I've set my console to use the layout, set it to UTF-8, and set the font to Uni3-Terminus... |
| 20:21.27 | sethkush | Does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 21:40.40 | awal1 | why commands following 'exec my-command' in .xsession/.xinitrc are ignored? |
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| 21:51.25 | RoyK | awal1: because "exec" calls doesn't return - see man exec |
| 21:51.38 | RoyK | s/doesn't/don't/ |
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| 21:53.57 | RoyK | awal1: basically, calling exec reads whatever binary and perhaps its script and hands over control to that |
| 21:54.05 | RoyK | awal1: just try it on the commandline |
| 21:54.16 | awal1 | RoyK, already went there but haven't seen something about that, maybe missed it |
| 21:54.54 | RoyK | something like "exec bash" replaces the current process with the new one |
| 21:54.54 | greycat | For the shell command exec, you probably want "help exec" in bash. |
| 21:55.48 | RoyK | or man 2 lexec to see what happens under the hood |
| 21:56.21 | greycat | you mean man 2 execve |
| 21:56.31 | RoyK | execl, perhaps |
| 21:56.36 | RoyK | or any of them |
| 21:56.39 | RoyK | same manpage |
| 21:56.41 | greycat | all the others are in (3) |
| 21:57.05 | RoyK | oh - you're right :) |
| 21:57.06 | RoyK | thanks |
| 21:58.08 | awal1 | i still don't see an explicit explication about that in manual |
| 21:58.23 | awal1 | or maybe " xecute COMMAND, replacing this shell with the specified program." is all what I need to know :P |
| 21:58.29 | RoyK | awal1: well, trust us ;) |
| 21:59.11 | RoyK | execve() reads the new command and does a JMP to the new start, discarding the current process |
| 21:59.13 | greycat | 'exec command' is the last thing you will ever do. You get replaced by the new command. |
| 22:00.00 | greycat | It's traditional to do it in wrapper scripts or in ~/.xsession because you don't want or need the shell hanging around forever. Usually. |
| 22:00.38 | greycat | But if you needed to do some cleanup in your ~/.xsession after the session terminates, then you'll need to drop the exec and let the shell stick around in (virtual) memory for your entire session. |
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| 22:01.13 | RoyK | â¦which normally shouldn't eat too much of memory |
| 22:01.45 | greycat | Right, on any modern system the memory use is negligible (it'll be swapped out if you have swap). It's just an efficiency thing. |
| 22:01.49 | RoyK | depending on your setup, obviously, if you have 64 megs of RAM, it might be sufficient, if you have a gigabyte or so, not a big issue |
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| 22:03.02 | awal1 | "then you'll need to drop the exec and let the shell stick around in (virtual) memory for your entire session" how? greycat |
| 22:03.18 | greycat | literally remove the word exec |
| 22:03.52 | RoyK | and add a & at the end if you suspect the command will spend a lot of time completing |
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| 22:04.11 | greycat | don't do that on your window manager, if that is the trigger for your session... |
| 22:04.24 | RoyK | good point |
| 22:04.33 | awal1 | good guessing, greycat :P |
| 22:04.49 | greycat | Doesn't take much guessing. A .xsession file is pretty standard. |
| 22:05.14 | greycat | Clean-up after the WM exits is less common though. |
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| 22:06.38 | awal1 | I fact I just use exec for "exec openbox-session" in .xsession |
| 22:07.32 | greycat | session manager, window manager, close enough ;-) |
| 22:08.08 | awal1 | but I wanted to run just openbox not it's session manager (exec openbox) but I found that putting "xsetroot -solid '#808080' after exec won't work |
| 22:08.24 | awal1 | from there my googling and question here |
| 22:08.31 | RoyK | obviously, since exec never returns |
| 22:08.57 | awal1 | so I found that xsetroot -solid '#808080' & should be putten before exec openbox |
| 22:09.20 | greycat | Put finite one-shot commands like xsetroot BEFORE the exec session-manager. |
| 22:09.33 | greycat | Put long-lived commands like "xterm &" BEFORE the exec session-manager. |
| 22:09.37 | RoyK | isn't there an .xsessionrc? |
| 22:09.42 | greycat | That's totally different. |
| 22:09.57 | RoyK | well, makes sense for xsetroot, doesn't it? |
| 22:09.58 | awal1 | openbox without it's session manager doesn't lod stuff in xdg autostart and stuff in openbox/autostart |
| 22:10.11 | RoyK | may be lost |
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| 22:10.29 | awal1 | load |
| 22:10.43 | RoyK | I don't configure X too much https://xkcd.com/963/ |
| 22:11.05 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/1012462/ |
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| 22:11.10 | awal1 | greycat, you mean xsetroot ... should be without & ? |
| 22:11.33 | greycat | awal1: it is immediate. It doesn't hang around. No need to be backgrounded. |
| 22:11.33 | awal1 | you are right, since it is only run once |
| 22:11.46 | awal1 | greycat, you are right |
| 22:12.10 | awal1 | I was confused after adding xscreensaver --no-splash & |
| 22:12.48 | greycat | so anyway, http://paste.debian.net/1012462/ is from the machine I'm on right now |
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| 22:14.46 | awal1 | greycat, I was aware yet about when & should be putten and when not; it was just a confusion. but thatnk for pointing it |
| 22:16.23 | awal1 | hm, you use fvwm, it is my preferred wm, but it misses full randr support, that is why I use openbox |
| 22:16.53 | greycat | I am a very simple cat with very simple tastes in window managers. |
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| 22:25.40 | oo_miguel | Ah sorry |
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| 22:25.52 | oo_miguel | forgot the leading slash |
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| 22:52.14 | disi | how does having 2 default routes on the same subnet work? |
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| 22:53.00 | disi | the older one just gets ignored? |
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| 22:54.52 | rhizome | disi: you don't |
| 22:55.12 | disi | rhizome: it let me :p |
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| 23:00.43 | moriarty | i'm surprised at how huge debian is compared to say, redhat |
| 23:02.16 | Tenkawa | moriarty: define huge |
| 23:02.26 | moriarty | Tenkawa, the size of the channel |
| 23:02.26 | Tenkawa | in what regard? |
| 23:02.29 | teatime_ | disi: lowest metric wins, generally |
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| 23:02.35 | Tenkawa | ahh |
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| 23:02.54 | disi | teatime_: any idea if DHCP will overwrite my second default? |
| 23:02.59 | Tenkawa | welcome |
| 23:03.10 | teatime_ | I unno |
| 23:03.23 | disi | guess ill find out soon enough :p |
| 23:03.31 | Tenkawa | disi: one nic or 2? |
| 23:04.36 | Tenkawa | advertise your mac address in your dhcp lease and that should keep it consistent |
| 23:04.47 | awal1 | moriarty, by "hugue" I thought you was refering to available pkgs rhat around 12000 vs debian like 50000 :P |
| 23:04.59 | moriarty | awal1, lol |
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| 23:05.26 | awal1 | moriarty, not a joke :P |
| 23:05.58 | moriarty | awal1, that's good to know :) |
| 23:06.12 | awal1 | debian have more pkg than any other gnu/linux distro ; followed by gentoo |
| 23:06.50 | moriarty | ah i see |
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| 23:07.21 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 23:07.30 | Tenkawa | apparently I was confused too |
| 23:07.47 | moriarty | that auto-limit is a nice protection against flooders |
| 23:07.47 | Tenkawa | yes.. debian has a lot of software |
| 23:08.05 | Tenkawa | but we have a lot of people in here :) |
| 23:08.08 | moriarty | yeah i would definitely consider debian for my personal use then |
| 23:08.54 | awal1 | well, ubuntu and mint not counting, since they are leeches / debian based |
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| 23:09.26 | Tenkawa | bbl |
| 23:09.41 | awal1 | not sure if call them leech or softwaresucker :P |
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| 23:41.15 | nic_ | hi people, I'm running xfce and installed i3, I reboot'd and I noticed that my notification daemon changed from the xfce default to dunst |
| 23:41.19 | nic_ | I have no idea how to get it back |
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| 23:42.04 | nic_ | I'm ok with dunst running on i3, but not on xfce |
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| 23:46.33 | rant | nic_: idk a bout these specific programs, but it sounds like whatever this is may be running as a systemd service rather than a daemon started at your login session |
| 23:46.50 | nic_ | let me check |
| 23:47.01 | rant | if that is the case, itmay be a bit more tricky to get it setup to run one in one session and the other in another session. |
| 23:47.20 | nic_ | the tree starts with /lib/systemd/systemd --user |
| 23:47.24 | nic_ | and then /usr/bin/dunst |
| 23:49.12 | rant | hmm.. |
| 23:50.19 | nic_ | I found only 1 thread on the internet about it, but the documentation is bad |
| 23:51.30 | rant | yeah.. I can imagine.. I been using Debian since Potato, the systemd thing is still fairly new to me.. I know some basics so far, but not about how it handles per user/session stuff |
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| 23:53.16 | rant | if its systemd running it though, then you either gotta remove that service unit and set it up elsewhere or you gotta figure out how your DM or DE is starting that user session via systemd to be able to customize which notification system runs |
| 23:54.11 | rant | I believe xfce has a session manager but I dont think i3 does.. so without systemd doing it, you'd have to probably have your DM do it and idk that any DMs can even do things on a per-session-type basis |
| 23:54.47 | nic_ | thank you rant |
| 23:54.58 | erasmus | <3 i3 |
| 23:54.59 | nic_ | i'll try to find more info on that |
| 23:56.33 | nic_ | :( i3 |
| 23:57.37 | erasmus | nic_ is the problem with i3? |
| 23:57.44 | erasmus | sorry I cannot scroll up I just joined. |
| 23:57.48 | erasmus | try #i3 |
| 23:57.59 | nic_ | erasmus, it's dunst replacing my xfce notification thing |
| 23:58.06 | nic_ | after I was done installing i3 |
| 23:58.20 | erasmus | so are you tiling? |
| 23:58.26 | nic_ | not right now, just pure xfce |
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| 23:58.38 | erasmus | you want my config? |
| 23:58.53 | erasmus | I put the i3 bar on top. |
| 23:59.04 | nic_ | sure why not |
| 23:59.10 | erasmus | ok one sec |
