| 00:00.07 | gzcwnk | ie do I just raise a bug report? |
| 00:00.20 | ph88 | how do i go back to the gnome default alt-tab grouping ? it got messed up after installing/uninstalling AtlernateTab gnome extension |
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| 00:00.53 | rflec028 | So... Any Debian Members in Ottawa that I can sit down for coffee with? |
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| 00:01.39 | rflec028 | ph88: ^^Should go back automatically... Try the tweak tool? |
| 00:01.52 | rant | rflec028: you may want to familiarize with #debian-offtopic its our social channel, this is our support channel |
| 00:02.03 | rflec028 | rant: Can do. Bye! |
| 00:02.05 | ph88 | rflec028, what exactly in the tweak tool ? |
| 00:02.21 | rflec028 | ph88 *Installs Gnome Really Fast* |
| 00:03.32 | rflec028 | ...try turning it off and on again? |
| 00:03.44 | ph88 | i did already a couple of times |
| 00:03.56 | rflec028 | https://people.gnome.org/~federico/blog/alt-tab.html |
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| 00:05.05 | rflec028 | wow |
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| 00:08.01 | ph88 | somehow it's restored :| |
| 00:08.18 | ph88 | only terminator doesn't group |
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| 01:12.58 | galex-713 | Why is it needed to be registred and auth with services to join here now? |
| 01:13.28 | galex-713 | Anyway, I was here to ask: whatâs the standard, proper way to install stuff for properly cross-compiling stuff for, say, arm |
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| 01:14.40 | galex-713 | like Iâd want, say libgrx2 <http://grx.gnu.de/> installed both natively (so I can test it with gtk, sdl or framebuffer), and in an arm version so I can use it to compile stuff for an arm target? |
| 01:16.36 | maferv | what are the right repositories for wheezy? I tried "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ wheezy contrib main non-free" and I get a 404 error |
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| 01:20.21 | maferv | yes, you're right somiaj, I didn't know it, I wonder how long it will last |
| 01:20.46 | bitess | maferv: end of may |
| 01:20.50 | somiaj | galex-713: haha, we at least prefer to not have it, I didn't do it just cause you asked. |
| 01:20.53 | somiaj | !wheezy-lts |
| 01:20.53 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
| 01:21.05 | galex-713 | yeah I guess :) |
| 01:21.06 | somiaj | maferv: sometimes after the support for wheezy-lts ends I assume. |
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| 01:22.00 | somiaj | galex-713: there are some setsup to cross compile to arm using qemu |
| 01:22.17 | maferv | thanks |
| 01:22.40 | galex-713 | qemu? donât you only need arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc and the right libs in some proper standard prefix I donât know yet? |
| 01:23.33 | somiaj | glebihan: https://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap#Cross-installing_Debian_using_debootstrap.2Fmultistrap -- I'm thinkgint something like this |
| 01:23.39 | somiaj | glebihan: sorry bad tab completion |
| 01:24.04 | galex-713 | you meant me? |
| 01:24.12 | somiaj | galex-713: ^^. I haven't doen this, but I think this is the more standard way I have seen. You can just emulate arm directly, and then run the build tools/envoriment in an enumlated enviorment, like chroot |
| 01:24.13 | maferv | does anybody know what is the right way to load a framebuffer driver for trident? I do it manually from tty1, as root "modprobe tridentfb mode=1024x768-8", but I'd like to load it automatically since start. I tried adding this parameter to the linux options: video=tridentfb, it didn't do anything |
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| 01:26.01 | somiaj | maferv: framebuffers are kinda old, could ti be you have some kms driver being used? Anyways, I think if you wanted to do that, you may have to rebuild the initramfs to include that in the initrd image, so it switches to that module |
| 01:26.11 | somiaj | maferv: I'm unsure on any of the specifics of doing this though. |
| 01:26.22 | galex-713 | somiaj: thatâs interesting, yet a little frustrating and disappointing to know that with dpkg you canât properly configure packages for another system without chrooting |
| 01:26.35 | galex-713 | yet in my case itâs for sometimes when I canât chroot |
| 01:26.38 | somiaj | galex-713: anyways, I think using qemu-static you can basically build an arm chroot, and just build in an arm enviorment. |
| 01:26.55 | galex-713 | currently I *can* chroot, but itâs a microsd card intended to be put in another system I can eventually ssh to |
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| 01:27.11 | galex-713 | and itâs quite tiring to do all the compilation steps through ssh |
| 01:27.21 | somiaj | galex-713: there maybe other ways, but I think more and more qemu is being used for this, over building a full cross compling tool chain. I also have not done this, so this is only stuff I have seen in passing. |
| 01:27.36 | galex-713 | somiaj: I already use qemu-static to update the system when the foreign device board is unavailable :) |
| 01:28.20 | galex-713 | somiaj: I know nodaways virtualization does progress and such, but doesnât that that slow down stuff, at least more than necessary? |
| 01:29.31 | somiaj | galex-713: emulation on modern hardware is probably fast enough it isn't to bad (even if it is all software), though as I said unsure on the details. I personally prefer building in clean chroots anyways, so this method always looked more apepaling to me than building a full cross compile tool chain |
| 01:30.03 | galex-713 | I understand |
| 01:30.18 | galex-713 | yet what I need is for when I canât chroot to it but can only ssh on it |
| 01:30.24 | maferv | somiaj, that's unfortunate, I know nothing about kms drivers. I'm using this module, tridentfb, which works perfectly. I'll just add a script to my first tty to load this module |
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| 01:30.52 | galex-713 | and I wouldnât like to be forced to recompile a whole arm system to virtualize while I only need 2, maybe 3 libs |
| 01:31.07 | galex-713 | one of which is already installed in its arm version (its default, seemingly) |
| 01:31.10 | somiaj | maferv: I'm unsure the best way to make it load at boot. I think the /etc/modules fiel still works, then in /etc/modeprobe.d you can add the resolution option to that module to use. |
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| 01:33.43 | somiaj | galex-713: have you read through https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains or https://wiki.debian.org/CrossCompiling |
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| 01:38.44 | galex-713 | mmh |
| 01:38.56 | galex-713 | it seems to be mainly for packaged software or compilers |
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| 01:39.18 | galex-713 | I already have the arm cross-compiler, and the software I look for is not packaged by debian |
| 01:39.41 | galex-713 | yet it is by some project based on debian which has .deb and standard source for .deb (which I still donât understand) |
| 01:40.53 | somiaj | maybe others who know more about cross compling can help. I have only skimmed the possiblity out of coursoity, I have never attempted it |
| 01:42.13 | galex-713 | I understand |
| 01:42.24 | galex-713 | it also never interested me before now I need it ^^ |
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| 02:03.18 | maferv | it works fine this somiaj, I just did what you told me |
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| 02:04.38 | somiaj | maferv: glad it worked |
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| 02:38.19 | walterve | Hi folks, anyone here using yubikey + gpg + pass + git + ssh? |
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| 02:43.28 | zerocool | i am only using each of those individually |
| 02:43.37 | zerocool | well idk about pass |
| 02:43.42 | zerocool | what's pass |
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| 02:51.53 | annadane | walterve, if you have a specific technical question it's best to just ask it |
| 02:51.58 | annadane | rather than ask one specific person |
| 02:55.08 | somiaj | well in this case taking a poll |
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| 03:28.30 | dvs | ,v powershell |
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| 03:53.30 | chrios_ | Anyone know when LXD is looking to be released in debian? Debian 10? |
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| 03:53.50 | chrios_ | All i can find is the bugtracker notes saying that the last dependency has been pushed to unstable |
| 03:55.20 | dvs | chrios_, it won't show up in stable until Debian 10. |
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| 04:17.49 | somiaj | hiexpo: be careful mixing thrid party sources, and in gneral they won't be supported here |
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| 04:19.14 | hiexpo | somiaj, I know just added it to get powershell I know better it can create complete havoc |
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| 04:59.02 | dvergurinn | hey guys, i'm in need of a way to delete subguids due to attempting to get an linux container up and running. would anyone know a good way to do this? i cound't find much on googles |
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| 05:12.20 | chicognu | I'm with a weird problem. On pure terminal, into the login prompt, appers some characters, ^@, over and over again, like if my keyboard have some short circuit, but on gnome it does not appear, and xev don't show any key as been pressed. Any one have a clue on how to fix that ? |
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| 06:08.33 | smokeysea | Hello I am tring to systemctl service which will automatically execute a script on boot. |
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| 06:12.11 | smokeysea | This is the simiple test.service http://ix.io/RgB. Which is then copied to /etc/systemd/system/ dir and enabled using 'systemctl enable test.service' |
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| 06:18.08 | smokeysea | Whenever I reboot the machine it does execute a script but the correpsonding program doesn't persist. Eg. http://ix.io/RgG starts a PM2 (node.js) code but does not keep it running. |
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| 06:55.53 | shtrb|laptop | Is there an equivalent in VirtualBox on Debian to VirtualBox on windows idom for a network device for all vms ? (tap device that should be auto created to hold traffic just for vbox) |
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| 07:12.44 | o11c_ | What sources.list line is needed for -dbgsym packages for security updates? |
| 07:13.12 | o11c_ | I can see the package by browsing the pool, but they aren't available form the standard line |
| 07:13.38 | o11c_ | specifically, note the multiple versions here: http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/pool/main/f/firefox-esr/ |
| 07:14.41 | o11c_ | 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1 is in normal stable; 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1 is in security |
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| 08:01.41 | maret | hi , when using top how to reduce all processes with same name under one item and sum up their resources? I have few chromium processes and I want to know how much ram they take in sum |
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| 08:39.30 | bookworm | maret: `man top` and if you can't find an option in there it can't do it |
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| 08:40.11 | bookworm | then you can write a pipeline/script with say awk or something if you really want to use top |
| 08:40.40 | bookworm | or you can query the kernel info directly as you know the pid of chrome |
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| 08:57.30 | `ajven | Hello, I am looking for help - got server where need to configure static IP so I edited the file /etc/network/interface like that blob:https://imgur.com/813b6cf6-4cc4-4124-a384-7e41eaf112fb Any idea whats wrong its not working :( addresses are correct |
| 08:58.18 | skandix | `ajven: imgur link is 404 |
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| 09:01.21 | `ajven | I am sorry, fixed link - https://image.ibb.co/mDjbDH/Capture.png |
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| 09:13.49 | Ool | `ajven: not so easy to answer you with this first caracter in your pseudo |
| 09:14.10 | Ool | why did you comment auto enp0s16 ? |
| 09:14.31 | `ajven | 0ol: it didnt want to restart network service with that line |
| 09:15.01 | Ool | restart ? |
| 09:15.15 | `ajven | start / restart - yes |
| 09:15.31 | Ool | and please use my nick without error like this HL work |
| 09:15.59 | Ool | without this line your NIC stay down |
| 09:16.57 | `ajven | i was up it via ifup |
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| 10:03.28 | Iridos | Ool, maybe your nick is not so easy to address with this first character :-} |
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| 10:13.47 | patterson | never mind |
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| 10:36.44 | user_unknownOne | hi |
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| 10:40.24 | Milo- | How does on uninstall this a package that gives: "dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs a valid package name but 'gir1.2-ibus-1.0' is not: ambiguous package name 'gir1.2-ibus-1.0' with more than one installed instance" |
| 10:40.28 | Milo- | google has been most unhelpful -_- |
| 10:41.09 | BanHammor | apt list --installed |grep gir1? |
| 10:41.39 | Milo- | gir1.2-glib-2.0/testing,now 1.54.1-4 amd64 [installed,automatic AND gir1.2-ibus-1.0/testing,now 1.5.17-3 amd64 [installed |
| 10:42.54 | BanHammor | can you use paste.debian.net in the future? It's really hard to read this, and the devil is in the details |
| 10:43.41 | Milo- | http://paste.debian.net/1012716/ |
| 10:44.06 | Milo- | I would have used a pastebin if it had been longer than two lines |
| 10:45.12 | BanHammor | hm, so that's weird. What command lead you to that first error? |
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| 10:46.17 | Milo- | tried to install 64bit sdl2 packages, which wanted to get rid of sdl2*:i386 packages. |
| 10:46.24 | shtrb|laptop | Anyone have a clue what other than modemmanger I should get to work with Huawei GSM stick modems ? It is identified by the kernel , minicom show AT access, but modemmanger / network manger does not allow me access - (getting error "modem state 'failed'" in /var/log/syslog) , When I try to connect to it using modemmanger modem is in state "not connect yet" indefinitely |
| 10:47.13 | Milo- | now every single apt install and apt remove gives me the gir1.2-ibus conflict |
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| 10:53.47 | Milo- | well, I ended up removing the pre-install script |
| 10:53.54 | Milo- | excuse me, pre-remove |
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| 11:23.01 | expert975 | How can I allow non-root users to use shutdown and reboot commands? |
| 11:23.59 | NetTerminalGene | expert975, systemctl reboot |
| 11:24.22 | expert975 | Doesn't that require root? |
| 11:24.27 | NetTerminalGene | no |
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| 11:26.44 | expert975 | How can I allow the shutdown command? I don't think my mom will remember the systemctl part |
| 11:27.30 | Haohmaru | expert975 don't you have a desktop? |
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| 11:30.51 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 11:38.20 | expert975 | Haohmaru: I'm using awesome window manager |
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| 11:39.01 | Haohmaru | uhm so there's nothing like a panel with a menu with logout/reboot/suspend/shutdown? |
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| 11:39.32 | expert975 | Haohmaru: nope |
| 11:39.53 | Haohmaru | o_O ... okay, sorry to interrupt |
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| 11:51.02 | sergey | Hello everyone! I would like to ask if there is any IRC channel related to L2/L3 networking in debian. Would be grateful for any help |
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| 11:54.23 | tommaso | sergey: afaik no. just ask here |
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| 11:55.42 | walterve | hio |
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| 12:04.46 | sergey | Is there any handsome and reliable way to setup network interface parameters like MTU/speed/duplex and bridge interfaces permanently from python. Using ifup/ifdown from subprocess and changing /etc/network/interfaces and using preup/down script with ethtool settings setup doesn't look good due to multiple calls.And it also doesn't allow to add interfaces to bridge. Otherwise, pynetlinux library provides the following features, but it doesn't change inter |
| 12:04.47 | sergey | faces permanently. |
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| 12:43.21 | rafalcpp | is debian good to build a multi cpu cluster, to take eg 10 cores 8 cpu and see it as 80 cpu machine? |
| 12:44.10 | jelly | rafalcpp: first choose the cluster solution THEN choose the OS that supports it |
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| 12:44.58 | BCMM | ^ that. there's a bunch of different things you *might* be doing here, so your question is arguably too vague to answer |
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| 12:46.31 | rafalcpp | jelly: BCMM: the goal here is to buy e.g. 10 of 8 core serwer, and set them up so that from pint of view of a normal progrem it would look like 80 core system, so it can run 80 threads optimally |
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| 12:46.51 | jelly | rafalcpp: you can't do that from the "point of normal program" |
| 12:47.18 | jelly | rafalcpp: your program will have to work with a (well known) distributed multiprocessing API |
| 12:47.35 | rafalcpp | jelly: :/ |
| 12:48.13 | rafalcpp | are there any OSes then that could do that? |
| 12:48.33 | jelly | yes, OSes that use well known distributed multiprocessing APIs :-) |
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| 12:49.01 | rafalcpp | jelly: but, on which that would be transparent for the user program, and normal program would just see it as such massive hardware thread machine |
| 12:49.12 | BCMM | rafalcpp: generally in any kind of massively parallel environment, you're running code specifically written to take advantage of that environment |
| 12:49.26 | jelly | rafalcpp: sadly that's not how HPC works |
| 12:49.30 | rafalcpp | (of course a good program could optimize and allocate tasks to v-CPUs that are actually on same real machine if they talk to eachother a lot) |
| 12:49.38 | BCMM | rafalcpp: if you think about what you just wrote at a low level, you can kind of see why it doesn't work |
| 12:50.07 | rafalcpp | BCMM: I think about it on low level, and I don't see any not solvable problem with that actually |
| 12:50.32 | rafalcpp | other then, talking to other thread, that happens to be on other physical machine, would be really slow, so programs would benefit from taking that into account |
| 12:51.03 | BCMM | rafalcpp: for example shared memory access between nodes is inevitably going to be much slower than within a node - sure you *could* just transparently fetch it for applications, but the result would probably be much, much slower than just running locally |
| 12:51.06 | rafalcpp | inter-thread synchronizatin between you and memory of v-cpu on other machine would be synced via network |
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| 12:52.53 | BCMM | fact is, the application needs to be aware of which actions are fast and which are slow in such an environment |
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| 12:55.01 | rafalcpp | BCMM: aren't there APIs to query NUMA layout, and find out which [virtual] CPU threads are fast for me, or are local? which memory is local node? |
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| 12:55.25 | BCMM | how is that transparent? |
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| 12:57.16 | bitesss | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_system_image |
| 12:57.29 | bitesss | but certainly not with a normal debian kernel. ^^ |
| 12:58.42 | BCMM | bitesss: do any of those run applications compiled for regular gnu/linux? |
| 12:58.56 | rafalcpp | BCMM: well it's an optimization. To write code to make sure only long-term batch tasks are placed on remote-cores, that's a possible modification |
| 12:59.11 | bitesss | dunno, never tried it. |
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| 13:01.10 | bitesss | i guess the scheduler would keep processes and their threads on one node. but what do i know. |
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| 13:23.57 | sine0 | folks, when doing rsync, is it possible to ssh the file but copying the directory structure, so for /var/log/blah.log when it gets to the other machines backup folder you see the var first |
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| 13:34.09 | kaisarOS-36401 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.24 | aedinius | ... |
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| 13:34.28 | sine0 | REKT |
| 13:34.36 | aedinius | Those spaces, man |
| 13:35.08 | annadane | kaisarOS-36401, change your password, and also i would say use a stronger password also |
| 13:35.49 | aedinius | Also, and I hope this isn't the case, change your other accounts if you use the same password anywhere |
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| 13:37.05 | kaisarOS-36401 | how to register my nick name with free node |
| 13:37.17 | kaisarOS-36401 | ? |
| 13:37.55 | annadane | like that but just don't put a space between the start of your message and / |
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| 13:39.16 | kaisarOS-36401 | where should i execute this command |
| 13:39.22 | kaisarOS-36401 | ? |
| 13:40.04 | kaisarOS-36401 | It may be the wrong place where i already executed |
| 13:40.20 | annadane | yes, it is, because you sent it to the whole channel and now everyone knows your password and email |
| 13:41.04 | annadane | just typing /msg nickserv register blah blah in the main window should be fine if you don't leave a space but a safer option is to open a dialog window with nickserv first and do it in there |
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| 13:43.08 | danieled | hi all |
| 13:43.35 | danieled | I use stretch, set static ip. But if modem reboot I change ip... whit? |
| 13:43.43 | danieled | *why? |
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| 13:44.59 | sameerynho | hey folks, I can see several threads for urxvtd under my systemd process. but there is no such service. how can I get ride of that ? |
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| 14:03.31 | password2 | hi |
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| 14:04.30 | password2 | can someone help me with installing drivers for my nvidia card? the nvidia installer is telling me to close X , but I don't know how , i did try killall and service stop gdm |
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| 14:06.31 | annadane | password2, are you installing the nvidia drivers from the debian repository? that's the recommended method |
| 14:06.46 | annadane | it's not suggested to use nvidia's installer |
| 14:06.51 | password2 | no I tried from nvidias site |
| 14:06.55 | password2 | ah ok |
| 14:07.05 | password2 | so just sudo apt0get install nvidia? |
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| 14:09.15 | password2 | is its name nvidia-driver? |
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| 14:12.15 | password2 | ok brb , rebooting |
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| 14:17.04 | password2 | Hi my lightdm wont start now after installing nvidia drivers :( |
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| 14:18.56 | annadane | possibly a result of half-installing or installing the nvidia drivers using the nvidia installer and then trying immediately to install from the debian repo |
| 14:19.12 | annadane | not sure how to fix, but check ~/.Xsession-errors |
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| 14:21.17 | password2 | Annadane the nvidia stuff never installed |
| 14:21.28 | password2 | I think it messed up removing navau |
| 14:22.07 | password2 | Idk how you spell it |
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| 14:22.43 | annadane | did you apt remove anything? |
| 14:23.18 | password2 | No |
| 14:24.01 | annadane | i will let somebody else answer then |
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| 14:25.07 | password2 | Xsession error does not exist either |
| 14:25.55 | BanHammor | okay, so. Did you blacklist nouveau? |
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| 14:27.48 | password2 | Bamhammor , no but i did get a conflicting driver warnjng about it and it said i should simply reboot after installation finishes |
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| 14:29.31 | password2 | Anything i can try , googling is a bit hard |
| 14:29.52 | towo^work | lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display" |
| 14:30.24 | towo^work | password2, and paste your Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:31.12 | password2 | Idk how to paste from terminal |
| 14:31.39 | towo^work | install and use pastebinit |
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| 14:34.07 | password2 | Its not working right |
| 14:34.31 | password2 | It just returns http://pastebin.debian.net/ |
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| 14:35.29 | towo^work | what exact are you doing? |
| 14:35.47 | towo^work | the command would be lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display" | pastebinit |
| 14:35.56 | password2 | i tried using pastebinit -i ./myfile |
| 14:36.02 | towo^work | and pastebinit < /path/to/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:36.05 | password2 | I also tried that |
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| 14:37.58 | darxmurf | good week-end, cheers folks ! |
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| 14:40.40 | password2 | Looks like im going to have a long one |
| 14:42.31 | alkisg | password2, does this work? date | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 14:43.58 | noodlepie | Hiya guys! |
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| 14:46.29 | password2 | Yes |
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| 14:47.10 | alkisg | password2, ok, then use that one when you want to paste something |
| 14:47.31 | password2 | Ok termbin.com/gqfv |
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| 14:49.25 | Haohmaru | password2 you could've pasted that one line here directly ;P~ |
| 14:49.43 | password2 | You mean retyped? |
| 14:49.49 | password2 | Im on mobile |
| 14:49.56 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 14:50.13 | password2 | lightdm is not starting up |
| 14:50.25 | password2 | So pc is not fully booting |
| 14:50.32 | Haohmaru | nasty |
| 14:50.53 | Haohmaru | i'm also using this barely-working nvidia for kicad |
| 14:51.01 | password2 | Well yeah |
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| 14:51.11 | password2 | Idk what to do |
| 14:51.11 | Haohmaru | but i'm using the nouvua-whatever |
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| 14:53.10 | password2 | I was using that , but it was not playing with my new card , so i installed the "reckomended" drivers |
| 14:53.18 | password2 | which fucked my system |
| 14:54.33 | password2 | Now i'm mashing random buttons to see if i can revive it |
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| 14:56.46 | password2 | Im trying nvidias driver now , seems they atleast put in much more system checks |
| 14:58.02 | annadane | i suggest not mashing random buttons |
| 14:58.13 | annadane | your problem has a solution which won't be found by randomly trying things |
| 14:58.19 | annadane | why not get help from us? |
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| 14:58.34 | BanHammor | "nvidia's driver" being the one from the website? good luck |
| 14:58.55 | annadane | and as i said, that ^ isn't recommended |
| 14:59.08 | password2 | Annadane well im here? |
| 14:59.30 | password2 | Doing nothing will be less helpfull than trying random thibgs |
| 14:59.50 | password2 | Official driver did not unfudge things though |
| 14:59.55 | annadane | lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display" | pastebinit is termbin.com/gqfv correct? |
| 15:00.00 | annadane | er |
| 15:00.07 | annadane | well then it wouldn't be in a termbin >_> |
| 15:00.43 | annadane | but yes, that appears to be the information requested |
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| 15:01.02 | annadane | again, i'm not good with this kind of thing but just wait until someone who knows better gets around to answering |
| 15:02.09 | password2 | Well till then ill tryto fix things |
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| 15:03.30 | BanHammor | alright, so step one: remove the "official" nvidia driver. |
| 15:04.09 | password2 | Ok , how? |
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| 15:05.00 | BanHammor | run the same script you ran while installing it, but with --uninstall added |
| 15:05.52 | password2 | Ok running |
| 15:06.04 | password2 | Should i reboot agterwards? |
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| 15:07.12 | BanHammor | yeah |
| 15:07.21 | password2 | Ok rebooting now |
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| 15:08.04 | password2 | Ok rebooted into terminal |
| 15:08.54 | password2 | Should i reinstall the drivers from repo? |
| 15:09.02 | BanHammor | yeah |
| 15:09.10 | BanHammor | let's figure out what actually goes wrong with them |
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| 15:09.36 | password2 | Ok , its called nvidia-drivers , right? |
| 15:10.16 | password2 | The i assume reboot again? |
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| 15:10.35 | BanHammor | yes |
| 15:11.36 | password2 | I get possible missing firmware , but its about rtl_nic , i think its a wifi dongle i tried to install years ago |
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| 15:12.39 | password2 | Ok I'm back where i was when lightdm first failed it seems |
| 15:14.15 | BCMM | password2: usually those would be rtlwifi rather than rtl_nic |
| 15:14.16 | password2 | Http://termbin.com/xre9 |
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| 15:14.41 | BCMM | password2: sure you don't have a wired ethernet controller with a realtek chip? |
| 15:15.04 | password2 | Could be |
| 15:15.28 | password2 | Im using the ethernet connection though |
| 15:15.38 | password2 | But i think thats besides my issue |
| 15:15.50 | BCMM | yes, sorry for the distraction |
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| 15:16.14 | password2 | Paste above is from systemctl status lightdm.service |
| 15:16.20 | password2 | No issue |
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| 15:16.47 | annadane | it's called nvidia-driver |
| 15:16.48 | password2 | Anything i should pastebin , let me know |
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| 15:17.05 | password2 | yeah i saw it has no trailing s |
| 15:17.17 | password2 | Its installed now and i rebooted |
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| 15:20.36 | password2 | What can i do next towo^work diagnose the issue? |
| 15:20.42 | password2 | To* |
| 15:21.14 | BanHammor | password2, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 15:21.27 | tw | password2: you've already looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 15:22.55 | password2 | http://termbin.com/nope |
| 15:23.09 | password2 | Tw lol my amswer is at the end of the url |
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| 15:25.56 | password2 | Could it be just that my gfx card is too new? |
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| 15:26.22 | password2 | Well i dont hope so , ilmy old one is dead |
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| 15:26.33 | password2 | *my |
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| 15:27.36 | annadane | why don't you just paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log as requested |
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| 15:28.52 | password2 | i did paste it |
| 15:28.54 | tw | it says check your kernel log for error messages. I'm guessing it never loaded the nvidia kernel module. |
| 15:29.03 | password2 | Or did i paste wrongly? |
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| 15:31.14 | password2 | Annadane , its coincidence url endedin nope |
| 15:31.48 | password2 | Tw how do i check? |
| 15:31.51 | annadane | oh! haha |
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| 15:32.51 | tw | password2: should be /var/log/kern.log in a fresh boot. |
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| 15:33.10 | password2 | Should i paste /var/log/kern.log ? |
| 15:33.20 | password2 | Ok will do so |
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| 15:35.48 | password2 | http://termbin.com/g0xe |
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| 15:38.49 | password2 | Should i have an nvidia module somewhere? |
| 15:39.46 | somiaj | what do you mean? By default nvidia will use the nouveau module. Did you install the non-free nvidia driver? |
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| 15:40.39 | password2 | I did , then i removed it again |
| 15:41.04 | password2 | Somiaj how mich context do you have? |
| 15:42.13 | somiaj | well you can't have nouveau and nvidia running at the same time, and I see nouveau loaded there (though you werew asked for the xorg log file, not dmesg) |
| 15:42.25 | somiaj | anyways, you installed then removed the nvidia moudle, well if you removed it, it won't be loading. |
| 15:42.36 | somiaj | but I missed your actual issue. |
| 15:43.09 | JustASlacker | whats the opinion on firewalld for debian9? |
| 15:43.11 | JustASlacker | yay or nay |
| 15:43.13 | password2 | i did give xorg log file |
| 15:43.35 | password2 | Lightdm is not starting after installation of nvidia-driver |
| 15:43.46 | password2 | So i can't boot into my de |
| 15:43.58 | somiaj | how did you install the nvidia-driver? What nvidia card do you have? |
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| 15:45.22 | password2 | Gt 1030 , installed using sudo apt-get instaal nvidia-driver |
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| 15:46.34 | somiaj | password2: are you running stretch? |
| 15:46.37 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 15:46.38 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 384.111-4; sid/non-free: 384.111-4; experimental/non-free: 390.25-1 |
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| 15:47.24 | password2 | Somiaj i *think* so , camt remember |
| 15:47.26 | somiaj | http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/120911/en-us -- it doesn't appear the 1030 is supported by the version of the driver in stretch. |
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| 15:47.53 | jelly | which is why there are backports |
| 15:47.58 | somiaj | http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/128737/en-us -- the version in stretch-backports supports it |
| 15:48.12 | somiaj | so I think it just your card is not supported by the driver you installed, and you'll have to get the version from stretch-backports to support that card. |
| 15:48.34 | password2 | Ok , how do i install from backports again? |
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| 15:52.21 | password2 | Ok i am on stretch |
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| 15:53.30 | jelly | !stretch-backports |
| 15:53.30 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 15:55.02 | password2 | Must i install current version first? |
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| 15:56.02 | password2 | I run sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports but it did not update my driver |
| 15:56.26 | jelly | that does not sound like a complete command line |
| 15:57.03 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 15:57.03 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 15:57.25 | jelly | do that, except add -t stretch-backports when installing stuff |
| 15:57.43 | password2 | Sorry my attention went pear shaped " sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports install nvidia-driver |
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| 15:57.54 | password2 | It said 79 not upgraded |
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| 15:58.23 | jelly | I do not know whether "apt-get install nvidia-driver" is enough to get things working. The recipe above, however, should be. |
| 15:58.53 | password2 | Ok hang on its gonna take a while to type that whole cmd |
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| 15:59.28 | jelly | uh, ssh into the machine and copy/paste |
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| 16:00.13 | jelly | or just copy/paste on the console (install gpm to get mouse and copy/paste working in linux console if you're logged in that way) |
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| 16:00.33 | password2 | Its a bit of a loopy setup , cant easily ssh in now |
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| 16:01.11 | password2 | Hmm why is my system not finind aptitude |
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| 16:02.54 | walterve | password2: what debian version do you have? |
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| 16:03.14 | jelly | password2: install aptitude first, then |
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| 16:03.30 | jelly | it's not present on minimal installations |
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| 16:04.46 | password2 | Walterve stretch |
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| 16:04.56 | debfan | test |
| 16:05.14 | Haohmaru | boooom! |
| 16:05.25 | walterve | password2: I would recommend to use apt instead of aptitude |
| 16:05.31 | walterve | sudo apt install package |
| 16:05.50 | debfan | hello. how would i suppress deb kernel info from showing up on shell login? unrelated to /etc/motd and /etc/issue but this thing Linux debian 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u2 (2018-02-21) x86_64 |
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| 16:06.37 | debfan | walterve, but how about aptitude search thing ? :) |
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| 16:06.50 | password2 | https://paste.debian.net/1012766/ |
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| 16:07.06 | jhutchins_wk | debfan: Why do you want to supress it? |
| 16:07.25 | password2 | Urg , wget is saving raw html |
| 16:07.27 | debfan | jhutchins_wk, i dont like it |
| 16:07.52 | debfan | i know it doesnt like me as well |
| 16:07.53 | somiaj | what sort of info is showing up? Usually these are only sever errors, or you have removed quiet from /etc/default/grub |
| 16:08.00 | debfan | so why shall we both suffer |
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| 16:09.17 | debfan | password2, thats how wget works |
| 16:09.24 | debfan | what else were u expecting?:) |
| 16:09.30 | JustASlacker | anybody know where I could find a debian package for python-firewalld |
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| 16:09.33 | password2 | Idk |
| 16:09.39 | somiaj | check out /etc/sysctl.conf and the kernel.printk line it says to comment out to stop low level messages from going to the console. |
| 16:10.07 | debfan | somiaj, this thing http://prntscr.com/ilxfap |
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| 16:10.24 | debfan | thx ill follow ur advice now hope it helps |
| 16:10.28 | jelly | walterve: there's a reason why that recipe uses aptitude, it's better at figuring out alternative dependencies sometimes |
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| 16:10.57 | somiaj | debfan: oh that is something different, that is not some kerenel error message. |
| 16:11.10 | debfan | somiaj, printk is commented btw |
| 16:11.18 | debfan | aha. |
| 16:11.22 | password2 | Sorry , its taking a while |
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| 16:11.32 | password2 | Need to fix html formatting now |
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| 16:11.51 | somiaj | debfan: I really don't see why that is apeparing, also why is it asking for roots password if you are running as root? |
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| 16:12.56 | debfan | somiaj, i am running as root and feeling perfectly fine about it as it's local unexposed dev machine and i will never use root when i finish tweaking it of course |
| 16:13.26 | somiaj | I mean I don't understand why running nano /etc/issue would porduce the output you are showing |
| 16:13.27 | Haohmaru | famous last words |
| 16:13.43 | somiaj | I don't see why it would even ask for a password, and then return some motd/issue of some sort. |
| 16:13.52 | debfan | somiaj, man u overcomplicating |
| 16:13.56 | password2 | Well its running |
| 16:13.58 | debfan | nano etc issue did not |
| 16:14.01 | password2 | The cmd |
| 16:14.22 | debfan | i was using nano before. |
| 16:14.35 | password2 | Lets see if succeeds |
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| 16:16.00 | password2 | Restart after running that cmd? |
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| 16:16.56 | somiaj | debfan: so then it is not clear from your paste what is producing the output of uname -a when you 'login' |
| 16:16.56 | jelly | yes |
| 16:17.02 | jelly | password2: ^ |
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| 16:17.10 | somiaj | debfan: at least to me. |
| 16:17.17 | debfan | btw answering my own question, uname was generated by /etc/update-motd.d/ |
| 16:17.19 | password2 | I did , it booted to terminal directly |
| 16:17.28 | password2 | Did not moad about lightdm |
| 16:17.46 | jelly | password2: pastebin your dmesg output. |
| 16:18.05 | somiaj | ahh yea, it looked like some automatic script giving that output, and not the kernel, but wasn't sure exactly what you were doing to cause it. |
| 16:18.07 | jelly | password2: did the kernel module build successfully at installation time? |
| 16:18.40 | debfan | somiaj, i was logging in to system :) |
| 16:18.43 | password2 | http://termbin.com/7ukh |
| 16:18.46 | debfan | that ws the cause :) |
| 16:18.53 | debfan | thx for ur efforts |
| 16:18.59 | debfan | <3 |
| 16:19.22 | jelly | password2: nvidia kernel module loaded, that's good. |
| 16:20.02 | password2 | Should i try starting lightdm? |
| 16:20.06 | jelly | password2: however it looks like the old version, that's not good |
| 16:20.08 | jelly | [ 2.811761] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 375.82 Wed Jul 19 21:16:49 PDT 2017 (using threaded interrupts) |
| 16:20.33 | password2 | Awe :( |
| 16:20.49 | JohnA | I am thinking of running 2 LVMs on my server 1 for the System stuff (root/var/usr home ...) and 1 for the thinks like mail/web pages/... Any thoughts on the advisability of this ? |
| 16:21.24 | password2 | We want 390 , right? |
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| 16:23.39 | password2 | I'm an idiot |
| 16:23.43 | jelly | password2: which versions of nvidia stuff are installed? aptitude -F'%20V %p' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' |
| 16:23.49 | password2 | I did not edit it! |
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| 16:24.52 | jelly | password2: redo just the install nvidia-kernel-dkms part, no need to create files in xorg.conf.d again or install headers |
| 16:25.42 | jelly | (also you're using an outdated kernel. You'll probably want to run aptitude full-upgrade or apt full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade at some point |
| 16:26.23 | somiaj | if using an outdated kernel, could it be the headers are for the new kernel (not the old one) and thus the module isn't being built for the kernel being used? |
| 16:26.34 | password2 | What part? |
| 16:26.53 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 16:26.53 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 16:27.21 | jelly | aptitude -t stretch-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:28.38 | password2 | Should ibex ave replaced my gpu woth |
| 16:28.49 | password2 | With* gt1030? |
| 16:28.59 | password2 | Or does it not really matter |
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| 16:29.42 | password2 | I have* |
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| 16:32.37 | password2 | Is this right? http://termbin.com/3lg4 |
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| 16:33.17 | password2 | Thats the 20-nvidia.conf file |
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| 16:35.38 | password2 | Im running apt fullupgrade now |
| 16:35.52 | HeinzBoettjer | how can I resize a ext4 partition to minimum? resize2fs works but after it is still a large partition. |
| 16:36.37 | petn-randall | HeinzBoettjer: What command are you exactly using? How large are the filesystem contents? How large is the filesystem? |
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| 16:37.56 | password2 | Ok rebooting after full install |
| 16:38.23 | HeinzBoettjer | The Partition is 500 G, data are 170 G, command: resize2fs /dev/sda1 -p 170G |
| 16:38.31 | bites | resize2fs will not change partition size, only the filesystem inside. note that ext4 also does not support online shrinking. |
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| 16:40.34 | HeinzBoettjer | online=mounted or must I save the 170G to other drives and delete the partiton? |
| 16:41.00 | bites | yes, you can't shrink while it is mounted. |
| 16:41.20 | HeinzBoettjer | the partition is not mounted |
| 16:41.33 | bites | you also don't change partition size with resize2fs |
| 16:41.42 | password2 | Now what? |
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| 16:42.53 | password2 | It looks still to be loading 375 |
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| 16:43.31 | HeinzBoettjer | which command to change partiton size instead of resize2fs? |
| 16:43.59 | evilman_work | HeinzBoettjer: parted. |
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| 16:46.00 | jhutchins_wk | HeinzBoettjer: You should have a backup any time you change partitioning. Not just the partition you're changing, the whole device. |
| 16:46.50 | password2 | Hmm |
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| 16:49.25 | password2 | can iter be helpful if i paste my sources file , maybe its wrong? |
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| 16:51.29 | HeinzBoettjer | evilman_work: parted - resizepart ? |
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| 16:52.20 | evilman_work | HeinzBoettjer: yep. there is a gui version - gparted. |
| 16:53.22 | HeinzBoettjer | does not work because of e2progs 1.42 |
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| 16:55.23 | HeinzBoettjer | reboots to try resizepart with grm |
| 16:56.24 | jelly | password2: that "-e " should probably be removed from the file. Did you manager to install the newer version? |
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| 16:57.49 | jelly | password2: verify installed versions with: aptitude -F'%20V %p' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' |
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| 16:59.42 | password2 | http://termbin.com/98tw |
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| 16:59.59 | password2 | So still 375.82 it looks like |
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| 17:01.08 | password2 | I removed -e , rebootin now |
| 17:03.04 | password2 | Im on kernel 4.9.0-6-amd64 now |
| 17:03.12 | jelly | that's up to date. |
| 17:03.30 | password2 | Ok |
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| 17:04.21 | jelly | password2: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-headers-4.9.0-6-amd64" and "apt-cache policy" |
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| 17:05.40 | jelly | because either you're doing something wrong during backport installation attempt, or apt isn't configured correctly |
| 17:06.04 | password2 | http://termbin.com/tzaf |
| 17:06.22 | jelly | waits for the other command |
| 17:06.48 | password2 | http://termbin.com/bdnd |
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| 17:07.21 | jelly | password2: you did not enable contrib and non-free sections for stretch-backports |
| 17:07.37 | password2 | Oh |
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| 17:07.56 | jelly | append " contrib non-free" to that deb line |
| 17:08.06 | jelly | rerun apt-get update |
| 17:08.31 | HeinzBoettjer | evilman_work: :-( did not work. has debian 9.0.0 the 1.43 tools as default? |
| 17:08.45 | jelly | ,v e2fsprogs |
| 17:08.46 | judd | Package: e2fsprogs on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.42.12-2+b1; jessie-backports: 1.43.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.43.4-2; buster: 1.43.9-2; sid: 1.43.9-2; experimental: 1.44.0~rc1-1 |
| 17:09.03 | jelly | HeinzBoettjer: yes |
| 17:09.12 | jelly | stretch: 1.43.4-2 |
| 17:09.34 | HeinzBoettjer | thanks than I burn a dvd |
| 17:09.52 | jelly | grml.org 2017.05 ought to be fresh enough |
| 17:10.14 | jelly | but I did not read what exactly you were trying to do. |
| 17:10.17 | HeinzBoettjer | but it does not work |
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| 17:10.55 | HeinzBoettjer | parted - resizepart - from 500 G to 170 G |
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| 17:11.23 | evilman_work | HeinzBoettjer: but you should shrink the fs itself before resize the partition! |
| 17:11.32 | password2 | Jelly i rerun the aptitude cmd to update nvidia-kernel-dkms and now its warning about unresolved dependencies |
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| 17:12.08 | HeinzBoettjer | I did so |
| 17:12.51 | HeinzBoettjer | first resize2fs than parted |
| 17:13.20 | jelly | password2: show the exact command line you ran and the whole output |
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| 17:13.56 | jelly | HeinzBoettjer: what failed to work? |
| 17:14.20 | HeinzBoettjer | no message |
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| 17:14.37 | jelly | resize2fs should bloody well show SOMETHING |
| 17:14.40 | password2 | how do i capture the output , it ask for a choice, can i still pipe it to nc? |
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| 17:15.23 | password2 | Cmd is : aptitude -t stretch-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 17:15.41 | HeinzBoettjer | sorry, resize2fs report well done but parted say after "are you sure" Yes nothing |
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| 17:15.54 | jelly | password2: run "script output.txt", it opens a new shell and logs everything in output.txt, then run command in there and "exit" when you're done. Pastebin tht file. |
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| 17:16.52 | jelly | HeinzBoettjer: what does dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatevers | grep 'Block count:' say? |
| 17:17.55 | password2 | How do i exit? |
| 17:18.01 | password2 | Just type exit? |
| 17:18.04 | jelly | yes |
| 17:18.43 | password2 | http://termbin.com/trfm |
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| 17:19.35 | password2 | Did that link work? |
| 17:20.26 | jelly | yes |
| 17:20.38 | jelly | 13) nvidia-driver [375.82-1~deb9u1 (now, stable)] |
| 17:20.39 | jelly | 14) nvidia-driver-libs [375.82-1~deb9u1 (now, stable)] |
| 17:20.43 | password2 | Ok it wont open on my phone , odly |
| 17:20.51 | HeinzBoettjer | jelly: I reboot and make notices ... |
| 17:20.52 | debron | hi, I would reallylike to find a browser really light, firefox goes really slow on this primitive laptop. I have tried links2 and works great, but cant access some sites like gmail inbox because javascript its not enabled on links2. I have readed that i need to recompile links2 with javascript enabled but it says its buggy. Any alternatives? thanks in advance |
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| 17:21.49 | jelly | password2: run it again. when it gets to the same question, note the numbers next to "Remove the following packages:" entry for nvidia-driver |
| 17:22.42 | jelly | password2: then tell aptitude you Reject the suggestion to remove nvidia-driver, type: r 13 and press enter |
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| 17:23.12 | jelly | password2: then tell it to try harder: Accept this solution? n |
| 17:23.39 | password2 | So just r13 when it asks again? |
| 17:23.50 | password2 | And then n? |
| 17:23.51 | jelly | it might not be 13 |
| 17:23.56 | jelly | correct |
| 17:24.03 | jelly | mind the number |
| 17:24.07 | password2 | urg it cutts off |
| 17:24.17 | password2 | How do i scroll up? |
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| 17:24.23 | jelly | shift pageup |
| 17:25.00 | password2 | Ok 13/14 is the same again |
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| 17:26.12 | jelly | you want to coerce aptitude to upgrade everything nvidia to stretch-backports, and preferably not remove anytihng in the process |
| 17:26.40 | password2 | Ok 13 now have an r next to it |
| 17:26.45 | jelly | good |
| 17:26.56 | password2 | Should i do this with 14 too? |
| 17:27.00 | jelly | no need |
| 17:27.09 | password2 | Ok |
| 17:27.15 | jelly | let it try to figure things out again, see if it's any better |
| 17:27.20 | password2 | So now i tell it n? |
| 17:27.21 | password2 | Ok |
| 17:28.23 | jelly | and it tries to figure a different solution, one that obeys your "don't remove nvidia-driver" |
| 17:28.24 | password2 | Now it seems it wants to remove even more |
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| 17:28.52 | password2 | Nvidia-driver is no longer in there |
| 17:28.55 | jelly | does it want to remove nvidia-driver or nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
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| 17:30.00 | password2 | No , only nvidia-driver-libs |
| 17:30.07 | password2 | And a few others |
| 17:30.43 | jelly | ,v nvidia-driver-libs |
| 17:30.45 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver-libs on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 384.111-4; sid/non-free: 384.111-4; experimental/non-free: 390.25-1 |
| 17:30.57 | jelly | password2: reject that one too, then |
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| 17:31.18 | jelly | and again tell it to think again |
| 17:31.27 | password2 | The i386 versions too? |
| 17:31.35 | jelly | sure |
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| 17:32.23 | jelly | you'll only need those for legacy crap or some steam games that are still 32bit, but if they're installed already |
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| 17:33.12 | password2 | Ok it says it want to leave them unresolved now |
| 17:33.34 | jelly | can you pastebin that bit |
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| 17:34.08 | password2 | Mind if i take a photo? |
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| 17:34.14 | jelly | that's fine |
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| 17:37.21 | password2 | Ok , ill have to redo the process and use script again , img upload is not working |
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| 17:38.24 | jelly | uh, okay. Since you're saving the output you might as well let aptitude do the partial upgrade it wants to do right now, then inspect the log later and see what we're missing |
| 17:39.32 | password2 | Ok |
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| 17:39.57 | password2 | So Y |
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| 17:40.01 | ddumk | hello |
| 17:40.03 | ddumk | i have one problem |
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| 17:40.33 | ddumk | when i go to ip/phpmyadmin it show 403 forbbiden if i type ip/phpmyadmin/index.php it download file named "download" |
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| 17:41.33 | jelly | password2: yeah! |
| 17:41.57 | ddumk | ? |
| 17:42.05 | ddumk | can someone help me |
| 17:42.07 | jhutchins_wk | ddumk: You don't have the php handler defined (and posibly not installed) and index.php is not defined as a valid index file. |
| 17:42.10 | password2 | Ok , its running , almost complete |
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| 17:42.13 | jelly | ddumk: which debian release is this? |
| 17:42.18 | ddumk | debian 8.0 |
| 17:42.54 | jelly | ddumk: did php-based web apps ever work on this system before? |
| 17:42.54 | ddumk | i installed nginx server and then i install phpmyadmin and i added location of phpmyadmin in nginx/sites-enabled/default |
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| 17:43.59 | password2 | Ok its warning about mismatching nvidia kernel being installed amd suggesting i reboot to resolve it |
| 17:44.38 | jelly | that's expected after a driver upgrade |
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| 17:44.48 | jelly | after nvidia* driver upgrade |
| 17:44.55 | password2 | Ok doki , now i reboot again? |
| 17:45.15 | jelly | you can, or you can go install the bits that got removed if any |
| 17:45.27 | jelly | and then reboot |
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| 17:45.44 | jelly | eh, reboot now and let's see |
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| 17:46.38 | password2 | Ok rebooted |
| 17:46.39 | jelly | ddumk: I'd verify php worked at all with a nice phpinfo.php file |
| 17:46.44 | HeinzBoettjer | jelly: resize2fs says "The filesystem is already 44564480 (4k) blocks long nothing to do!" dumpe2fs says "2228223" parted /dev/sdb1 resizepart: # 1 End 170GB Warning Yes Info fstab. no more |
| 17:47.10 | jelly | HeinzBoettjer: 44564480 * 4KiB is about 170GB so the fs is resized. |
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| 17:47.33 | ddumk | all noobs god fuck |
| 17:47.45 | jelly | !next |
| 17:47.45 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 17:49.11 | jelly | HeinzBoettjer: but dumpe2fs should have reported that same number. |
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| 17:49.39 | password2 | It looks like 384.111 is being loaded |
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| 17:50.25 | jelly | password2: but your *dm still does not start? |
| 17:50.52 | password2 | yeah , it drops me straight to tty1 |
| 17:51.17 | jelly | password2: can you pastebin the last aptitude install output, to see what's missing |
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| 17:51.39 | jelly | password2: and also /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:51.51 | jelly | password2: what's the timestamp on /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 17:52.01 | jelly | ls -ld /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:52.41 | HeinzBoettjer | jelly: that may that problem that sdb1 is shown under 1.42 with gparted as 465.76. GiB but how to fix it? |
| 17:52.45 | password2 | about 2hours 20 min ago |
| 17:53.03 | jelly | so it didn't even start now |
| 17:53.17 | password2 | http://termbin.com/ywma |
| 17:53.32 | password2 | Yeah , can i start it manually? |
| 17:53.34 | jelly | HeinzBoettjer: hm, which partition format is this? |
| 17:53.40 | jelly | HeinzBoettjer: MBR or GPT? |
| 17:53.46 | password2 | Its a long paste |
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| 17:54.29 | holyhit | hallo |
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| 17:56.03 | HeinzBoettjer | fdisk say "Disklabel type: dos" so I expect MBR |
| 17:56.25 | HeinzBoettjer | @ jelly: |
| 17:56.38 | jelly | HeinzBoettjer: you can then use cfdisk or fdisk or sfdisk to edit that table. |
| 17:57.02 | jelly | password2: dunno, "systemctl start sddm" ? |
| 17:57.10 | jelly | if it's sddm you use. |
| 17:58.03 | password2 | unit sddm.service noteness found |
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| 17:58.36 | jelly | do you... know which display manager is installed? |
| 17:58.42 | password2 | Not found* |
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| 17:59.21 | password2 | Lightdm? |
| 17:59.32 | HeinzBoettjer | jelly: I can not find a option in fdisk that looks like to change end of a partition |
| 17:59.36 | password2 | Thats the errori was getting right at the start |
| 17:59.36 | jelly | password2: try to start that one then |
| 18:00.09 | password2 | Nothing happens when ibex try to use systemctl start lightdm |
| 18:00.16 | password2 | No output |
| 18:00.17 | jelly | HeinzBoettjer: no. You have to delete partition, and create a new one, starting _exactly_ in the same place, and ending wherever you want |
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| 18:00.35 | jelly | poor ib'ex getting highlighted all the time |
| 18:00.45 | tw | password2: /var/log/lightdm/ has some interesting files in it as well. You should check those. |
| 18:00.48 | jelly | password2: systemctl status lightdm |
| 18:00.50 | password2 | whoops |
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| 18:02.01 | password2 | Active for 15 min , jelly |
| 18:03.13 | password2 | http://termbin.com/czdw |
| 18:03.41 | holyhit | is it possible to install stretch on bunsenlabs linux? |
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| 18:04.02 | petn-randall | !bunsenlabs |
| 18:04.02 | dpkg | BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.bunsenlabs.org/ #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net. See <based on debian> |
| 18:04.17 | petn-randall | holyhit: That's a different distro, so your question doesn't make much sense. ^^^ |
| 18:04.23 | holyhit | ok |
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| 18:04.36 | HeinzBoettjer | jelly: that is too much experimental 4 me so I try to burn a debian 9.0.0 DVD and than I try the live system with 1.43 + gparted. If that fails I move the data and delete the whole partition the new funktion should be a apt-mirror with ext2 |
| 18:05.04 | hypn0 | there is #bunsenlabs too |
| 18:05.10 | password2 | None of the logs in /var/log/lightdm updated in the last 2 hours |
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| 18:05.15 | holyhit | yes, I stay there |
| 18:05.51 | hypn0 | the are going to release it someday, try archlabs holyhit |
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| 18:06.25 | holyhit | ok hypn0 i look for archlabs, thx |
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| 18:09.42 | jhutchins_wk | holyhit: You can install stretch instead of bunsenlabs or beside it. |
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| 18:11.16 | password2 | Meh |
| 18:11.38 | password2 | i might go and install fresh debian |
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| 18:12.22 | password2 | Ill give until tomorrow |
| 18:13.37 | password2 | Ill jist have to move my minecraft saves |
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| 18:14.46 | holyhit | ok jhutchins_wk |
| 18:14.52 | holyhit | i try it |
| 18:14.53 | jelly | password2: weird. Can you try "startx" instead? (xinit package if you don't have it) |
| 18:15.14 | jelly | password2: and then see if /var/log/Xorg.0.log is updated |
| 18:15.45 | jelly | you have to run it directly in console, not inside script |
| 18:16.02 | password2 | Startx dissapeared |
| 18:16.36 | jelly | what does that mean! |
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| 18:17.19 | password2 | I could have sworn i had it a few hours ago |
| 18:17.30 | password2 | But im not thinking clearly anymore |
| 18:17.44 | password2 | Maybe it was imagination |
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| 18:18.03 | password2 | Ooh |
| 18:18.09 | password2 | Startx did a thing |
| 18:18.40 | password2 | im in my desktop |
| 18:18.42 | password2 | ! |
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| 18:19.07 | password2 | Desktop looks different now |
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| 18:19.31 | somiaj | startx may not run the same session as using your display manager |
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| 18:20.18 | password2 | I run it as root |
| 18:20.30 | password2 | Should i have run as my user? |
| 18:20.32 | somiaj | ahh that is it, it own't be the same as your user |
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| 18:20.38 | somiaj | yes, in general you never want to run xorg as root |
| 18:20.50 | password2 | Ok / me reboots |
| 18:21.06 | somiaj | you should be able to just quit |
| 18:21.09 | somiaj | then run startx as your user |
| 18:21.13 | password2 | Oh |
| 18:21.22 | password2 | Too late :D |
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| 18:21.52 | somiaj | in general unless you do something with the kernel, you shoudln't need to reboot in linux |
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| 18:22.11 | password2 | ah |
| 18:22.17 | password2 | Now it looks right |
| 18:22.33 | nix64bit | if you change user permission you might also need to reboot |
| 18:22.49 | jhutchins_wk | nix64bit: Permission on what? |
| 18:22.57 | somiaj | nix64bit: user permission? I can't think of reboots needed for that. |
| 18:23.03 | password2 | Now what do i fix so i dont have to run startx everytime? |
| 18:23.04 | Tenkawa | nix64bit: no.. just kill processes or logut |
| 18:23.06 | somiaj | adding a user to a group just requires you logout, and logback in |
| 18:23.07 | Tenkawa | logout |
| 18:23.31 | jhutchins_wk | password2: Fix your dm. |
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| 18:24.08 | password2 | Jhutchin_wk how? |
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| 18:24.29 | donofrio | did midori get removed from Debian? |
| 18:24.31 | somiaj | you don't recall how you disabled lightdm in the first place? |
| 18:24.34 | somiaj | ,v midori |
| 18:24.36 | judd | Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4+b1 |
| 18:25.08 | nix64bit | I changed directory ownership recently an needed to reboot, logging in and out didnt do it |
| 18:25.09 | somiaj | donofrio: https://tracker.debian.org/news/851194 |
| 18:25.32 | password2 | My display goes a bit out of my screen , is this something i can adjust in linux? |
| 18:25.34 | somiaj | I think something else is going on there, changing the owernship of a directory shouldn't require a reboot. |
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| 18:26.20 | password2 | Hmm hexchat was uninstalled |
| 18:26.31 | password8 | hi |
| 18:26.43 | password8 | Finally i can open from desktop |
| 18:26.51 | password8 | jelly, thanx so much for the help thusfar |
| 18:27.11 | Tenkawa | somiaj: sounds likes a missed follow |
| 18:27.18 | password8 | btw , how can i test that my gpu is doing its thing? |
| 18:27.19 | Tenkawa | paths |
| 18:27.38 | donofrio | somiaj, and yet links and lynx is still current...humm....I think someone didn't like xfce4 ;( |
| 18:28.10 | password8 | my mouse is jumping |
| 18:28.12 | somiaj | donofrio: in general I woudl not suggest using any browser except chromium or firefox |
| 18:29.05 | somiaj | donofrio: I do like the lighter webkit browsers, but they have no security support in debian, and they are a pain to matain because of security issues, hence probably why midori has no one wanting to matain it. And debian doesn't want to support webkit browers, it is too much work. |
| 18:29.05 | password8 | urg , this is bad |
| 18:29.21 | Tenkawa | those browsers are a different strategy... comparing console to graphial is not equal |
| 18:29.24 | somiaj | and if debian cannot support a package, it cannot include it in a release. |
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| 18:29.56 | Tenkawa | uggh i cant type today |
| 18:30.22 | Tenkawa | password8: what is bad? |
| 18:30.45 | password8 | Tenkawa, I'm getting really uneven framerate |
| 18:31.04 | password8 | like every 300ms or so it stalls |
| 18:31.25 | Tenkawa | what are you running? |
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| 18:32.05 | Tenkawa | dont get too hung up on framerates |
| 18:32.19 | password8 | Tenkawa, no its very bad |
| 18:32.26 | password8 | like my mouse jumps |
| 18:32.32 | Tenkawa | run top in a consoole |
| 18:32.35 | Tenkawa | er console |
| 18:32.40 | password8 | and then? |
| 18:32.55 | Tenkawa | see what the top couple of procsses are |
| 18:32.57 | password8 | xorg is using like20% cpu!? |
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| 18:33.26 | debron | Hello. I have installed debian stretch on a dell inspiron 1000, using a USB drive as system drive, since the IDE drive of the laptop its broken and doesnt have any other atm. I installed with xfce DE and everything works decent except web browsing. I am not sure if it is because the rendering, or because the network adapter, could someone help me to diagnose if it is something that could be improved by |
| 18:33.29 | debron | software? perhaps switching to diferent drivers on network adapter or graphics. |
| 18:33.29 | Tenkawa | once top is running hit 1 |
| 18:34.04 | password8 | Tenkawa, ok |
| 18:34.06 | Tenkawa | it shoud show you by cpu now right? |
| 18:34.13 | password8 | xorg is using way more than it used to |
| 18:34.23 | password8 | i was running htop |
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| 18:34.42 | password8 | could it be rendering with cpu? |
| 18:34.56 | Tenkawa | does any of them show anything really high under wait state? |
| 18:35.03 | Tenkawa | yes |
| 18:35.13 | Tenkawa | thats where i was going |
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| 18:35.28 | somiaj | debron: webbrowsers like to cache everything, this could end up being a lot of read/writes, and on usb io this can be slow. |
| 18:35.44 | Tenkawa | i wanted to see if this could isolate it |
| 18:35.47 | somiaj | debron: It could be the network, but I would try other tools to test your network that won't have the io overhead. |
| 18:35.52 | password8 | wait state? |
| 18:36.15 | password8 | oh uptop |
| 18:36.27 | password8 | wa? |
| 18:36.32 | Tenkawa | column after id |
| 18:36.35 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 18:36.42 | password8 | no |
| 18:36.45 | jhutchins_wk | debron: You'll probably get better results using a live image rather than a standard installation. |
| 18:36.45 | debron | Well, apt-get sometimes get stucked on connecting |
| 18:36.56 | password8 | but at times xorg uses 35% |
| 18:37.01 | password8 | *25% |
| 18:37.10 | jhutchins_wk | debron: How much RAM on the system? |
| 18:37.11 | password8 | which is a whole core |
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| 18:37.15 | Tenkawa | stil ould be the vid |
| 18:37.37 | password8 | ? |
| 18:38.01 | somiaj | debron: I would suggest looking into a live system + persistance, as it will run a bit better than running off of the usb directly. |
| 18:38.08 | Tenkawa | if you run glxinfo from a terminal.. output it to a file |
| 18:38.25 | somiaj | debron: and it coudl be the network, usb3 might be okay speed, but lots of caching and read/writes to the drive could slow you down because of running off of usb |
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| 18:38.43 | debron | jhutchins_wk: i would like to check, but since webbrosing is almost impossible and im quite newbie to linux, could you please hint me with some command to check the ram ammount? I think it might me like... 256 MB maybe |
| 18:38.44 | Tenkawa | look towards the top and see if its dirct rendering or not |
| 18:39.09 | tw | debron: free -h |
| 18:39.12 | debron | somiaj: I see |
| 18:39.20 | debron | thanks , second i willcheck |
| 18:39.25 | debron | its a very old computer, for sure |
| 18:39.40 | password8 | Tenkawa, i don't follow? |
| 18:39.42 | jhutchins_wk | debron: free will show your memory; top shows active stats (q to exit). |
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| 18:40.11 | somiaj | debron: 256megs of ram? A browser will eat that up in no time. |
| 18:40.22 | somiaj | but yea, look at free, get the real number |
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| 18:40.32 | debron | 210 MB |
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| 18:40.47 | debron | yeah... links2 works just great |
| 18:40.50 | tw | from which field? total? |
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| 18:41.04 | jhutchins_wk | Wow. Yeah, firfox will kill that. |
| 18:41.07 | debron | my onlyproblem is compatibility with some sites, like gmail inboc |
| 18:41.09 | debron | inbox |
| 18:41.20 | debron | tw: yeah |
| 18:41.22 | debron | total |
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| 18:41.31 | debron | free is just 13 MB right now |
| 18:42.17 | somiaj | yea any browser will kill 200megs of ram in no time and require you to swap, and this will slow your system to as crawl |
| 18:42.18 | Tenkawa | password8: run glxinfo | grep "direct rendering: " |
| 18:42.23 | debron | swap 440 MB, and on the USB, so all the time writting/reading fromthere i guess |
| 18:42.38 | somiaj | debron: a live system on that little ram would be hard too. I don't think you can nicely run a system off of usb with that little ram |
| 18:42.43 | disi | why does apt-get bail when i interrupt listbugs even tho it asks if I want to continue, and I said yes? |
| 18:42.45 | Tenkawa | is it enabled? |
| 18:42.49 | somiaj | that is you want to use a webbrowser. |
| 18:43.10 | password8 | Tenkawa, it says Yes |
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| 18:43.48 | debron | yeah, well i wanted to use this to study programming languajes, maybe ill just stick to command line and use links to get docummentation from plain sites |
| 18:43.58 | Tenkawa | yeah this is odd... havent seen a system act like this |
| 18:44.16 | Tenkawa | usually something shows up by now |
| 18:44.46 | password8 | i wish i can show how severe it is |
| 18:45.44 | debron | thanks guys. Maybe someone know any DE suite for this very old machines? |
| 18:46.08 | debron | lxde was lighter than xfce? |
| 18:46.09 | tw | debron: you're likely better off installing debian in a VM on a more powerful system. I can exhaust 200MB of ram in a single g++ CI with boost includes. |
| 18:46.21 | tw | *CU |
| 18:46.41 | debron | tw: if i could i wouldnt been using this computer hehehe |
| 18:47.10 | debron | im in not the best situation right now, soon will be beter, but now this is all i got |
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| 18:50.51 | Tenkawa | well that was weird |
| 18:51.35 | password8 | you timed out? |
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| 18:52.05 | somiaj | debron: a window manager is going to be the lightest weight graphical alternative, and there are various light weight ones to choose form. |
| 18:52.28 | debron | i remember i used awesome before |
| 18:52.35 | somiaj | debron: you still may not be able to actually web browse, but maybe get some graphical tools |
| 18:52.41 | Tenkawa | yes but I'm on a very congested networkk |
| 18:52.55 | somiaj | though with that little ram on a modern os, you may want to just use the command line and work from there |
| 18:53.04 | somiaj | as compling will require some ram if you plan to build things |
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| 18:53.19 | debron | yeah i think its the best option too |
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| 18:53.40 | debron | thanks somiaj |
| 18:55.40 | debron | I cant understand why this computer had Windows XP by default... I must check the bios because i remember to seesomething like 200+700 RAM or something like that |
| 18:55.55 | debron | im going to reboot, brb in few minutes :P |
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| 18:59.58 | password8 | urg |
| 19:00.19 | password8 | minecraft has much better framerate than ever , but the spikes is very bad |
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| 19:02.31 | password8 | best way i can show the spikes https://imgur.com/pVHOOMw |
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| 19:18.19 | password8 | my /var/log/Xorg.0.log has 1000s of these lines ! http://termbin.com/wl7w |
| 19:18.41 | password8 | any idea waht my be the cause? |
| 19:19.06 | password8 | so much so that the log file is already 2.5Mb |
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| 19:20.36 | password8 | bigger sample set http://termbin.com/ufio |
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| 19:22.25 | Epakai | maybe display/cable issues. does the screen freeze or blank regularly? |
| 19:22.38 | password8 | it freezes a lot |
| 19:22.56 | password8 | and xorg has high cpu usage |
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| 19:23.01 | password8 | I'm on an hdmi cable |
| 19:23.16 | password8 | look at the red spikes here https://i.imgur.com/pVHOOMw.png |
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| 19:25.31 | Betania | ??? |
| 19:25.52 | password8 | Betania, whats wrong? |
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| 19:26.45 | Betania | What's this about? |
| 19:27.09 | password8 | whats my issue about? |
| 19:27.14 | password8 | or this channel? |
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| 19:28.00 | Betania | the channel!! |
| 19:28.21 | password8 | its mostly a support channel for debain |
| 19:28.26 | filipe_ | Betania, about a operation system |
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| 19:28.42 | filipe_ | Linux based and opensource |
| 19:28.54 | nkuttler | free software even |
| 19:29.19 | Betania | Oh, okay |
| 19:30.06 | Betania | que bien me gusta |
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| 19:30.44 | Betania | my name is betania thank you for your help |
| 19:32.40 | filipe_ | Betania, where are you from |
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| 19:33.30 | Betania | Been Miranda Venezuela and you |
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| 19:33.56 | filipe_ | Betania, Brazil |
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| 19:34.46 | Betania | I'm glad |
| 19:35.00 | hypn0 | type /topic |
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| 19:37.36 | Betania | there is someone I want to talk |
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| 19:39.06 | password8 | anyway , jelly thanx for all your help , hopefully by tomorrow i can make more progress |
| 19:39.39 | password8 | and everyone else that helped |
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| 19:40.21 | Betania | ?'''? |
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| 19:44.23 | annadane | Betania, hi, do you have a support question? go ahead and ask |
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| 19:45.00 | Betania | not |
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| 19:48.10 | annadane | the social channel is at #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:00.00 | hexhaxtron | I wanted to update my whole system at midnight of every day. How should the crontab line be? |
| 20:00.28 | r3 | hexhaxtron: this might help: https://crontab.guru/ |
| 20:01.39 | hexhaxtron | r3 0 0 * * * cron-apt? |
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| 20:09.46 | RoyK | hexhaxtron: better take a look at unattended-upgrades |
| 20:09.47 | r3 | I haven't ever used cron-apt, but you could do something like 0 0 * * * (apt-get update && apt-get -y -d upgrade) |
| 20:10.14 | RoyK | ! |
| 20:10.15 | RoyK | !unattended-upgrades |
| 20:10.42 | annadane | dpkg: tell hexhaxtron about unattended-upgrades |
| 20:10.58 | annadane | hexhaxtron, check your private messages. |
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| 20:46.12 | disi | why does apt-get bail when i interrupt listbugs even tho it asks if I want to continue, and I said yes? |
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| 20:47.25 | disi | https://gist.github.com/dmtucker/add9041478836df162c272872cf830e8 |
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| 21:02.15 | tacobat | confirming that ^ bug on stretch |
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| 21:15.15 | Chakka____ | Hi Debian folks - thank you for answering my question a few days ago about SMBv3 support in Debian w/latest BPO kernel. I am getting an error mounting encrypted SMBv3 shares on Debian9 - what package should I report against? cifs-utils? Kernel? |
| 21:15.54 | Chakka____ | Since my kernel is a backported: Linux rstudio 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.13-1~bpo9+1 (2018-01-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux can I even report this bug? |
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| 21:17.31 | simbalion | Hi, this site recommends only using dist-upgrade for non-interactive updates, can someone explain why? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33370297/apt-get-update-non-interactive#33370375 |
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| 21:18.40 | simbalion | and would dist-upgrade still deploy all security patches? Which is my primary concern |
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| 21:21.07 | simbalion | my understanding is dist-upgrade is for upgrading major debian versions |
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| 21:21.52 | jhutchins_wk | simbalion: I believe the manpages for aptitude and apt-get explain it pretty well. |
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| 21:22.51 | simbalion | jhutchins_wk: I did some reading and I see dist-upgrade upgrades dependencies and also removes packages to prevent conflicts, but I don't see how that's superior to using upgrade, if dist-upgrade can update dependencies wouldn't upgrade also do that? |
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| 21:24.30 | simbalion | perhaps a better question is, can someone provide me an authoritative answer on the best approach to a cron based nightly update? |
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| 21:24.51 | vlt | !unattended-upgrades | simbalion |
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| 21:25.23 | simbalion | vlt: Alright, I've been using that method thus far, I will continue to |
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| 21:39.17 | eric23 | I am trying to upgrade to debian stretch from jessie. it is complaining about not having a key with the ID EF0F382A1A7B6500 . what is the recommended way to get it ? |
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| 21:45.22 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: jessie -> stretch |
| 21:45.22 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jhutchins_wk |
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| 21:45.35 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: jessie->stretch |
| 21:45.35 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 21:47.28 | eric23 | so you are saying I am missing a step ? I don't see anything about public keys |
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| 21:53.08 | jhutchins_wk | simbalion: Try pasting the full exact text of the error into google. |
| 21:53.09 | disi | tacobat: I'm on stretch stable fwiw |
| 21:53.48 | jhutchins_wk | sorry, eric23 ^ |
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| 21:57.42 | boehse_onkelz | guten morgen |
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| 21:58.49 | saeleko | Hello, I'm currently helping a friend with his debian install through ssh, not that I know debian that well, but `apt upgrade` suggests removing linux-image of the currently running kernel, I don't think that's supposed to happen, or am I wrong? |
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| 22:00.29 | boehse_onkelz | saeleko: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:01.02 | saeleko | boehse_onkelz: same result |
| 22:01.29 | saeleko | I have no idea what he did, but I feel the packages state is inconsistent |
| 22:01.37 | jhutchins_wk | saeleko: That's not a problem really. Unless you need to load a module, you don't need the kernel on-disk. |
| 22:01.46 | saeleko | Oh |
| 22:01.48 | saeleko | Okay |
| 22:01.57 | jhutchins_wk | saeleko: aptitude -f upgrade? |
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| 22:02.16 | saeleko | Doesn't have aptitude installed |
| 22:02.35 | saeleko | Do I have to get it as well? I don't recall ever needing it on my server |
| 22:02.47 | jhutchins_wk | saeleko: It's not uncommon to make boot a separate partition that gets un-mounted when it's done booting, and the kernel binary is in /boot. |
| 22:03.04 | jhutchins_wk | I think apt-get will -f, pretty sure apt will. |
| 22:03.54 | saeleko | jhutchins_wk: I know, my computer's runs Gentoo, I've done a whole lot of manual kernel stuff and partitioning, it's just that I'm kind of lost when it's automatic :') |
| 22:03.57 | dob1 | if I don't have any reference on eth0 (or any other interfaces) on /etc/network/interfaces where is setup the lan address ? |
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| 22:04.28 | jhutchins_wk | dob1: Probably network manager. |
| 22:04.50 | jhutchins_wk | dob1: ... which probably uses dhcp. |
| 22:05.01 | dob1 | jhutchins_wk, where can I look? |
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| 22:05.53 | dob1 | for sure it is assigned via dhcp |
| 22:05.57 | jhutchins_wk | dob1: Which release? Do you have a GUI/Desktop? Which one? |
| 22:06.12 | dob1 | I am connected via ssh, it's jessie |
| 22:06.35 | jhutchins_wk | dob1: Ok, so what do you want to change? |
| 22:06.53 | saeleko | jhutchins_wk: well indeed grub seems just fine with it, my bad, thanks for the help o/ |
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| 22:07.15 | dob1 | jhutchins_wk, change nothing, just confirm it is assigned via dhcp |
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| 22:07.43 | jhutchins_wk | dob1: How else would it be assigned if you didn't configure it? ps ax | grep dhc |
| 22:07.48 | dob1 | I found something on /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Wired\ connection\ 1 |
| 22:08.34 | jhutchins_wk | dmesg -T | less |
| 22:09.16 | dob1 | jhutchins_wk, I didn't configure it, the address is static not assigned via dhcp |
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| 22:10.36 | jhutchins | dob1: I'm out. Provide a much more detailed account of what you're trying to do and what the environment is. The only answer I can give you from what you've said is "it depends". |
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| 22:12.01 | dob1 | jhutchins, I found the answer. This system was not installed by me and I was checking if the lan address is assigned via dhcp or it is static. on /etc/network/interfaces there is nothing, you suggest me to look about NetworkManager and I found somehthing on /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Wired\ connection\ 1 |
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| 22:12.17 | dob1 | here the address is setup |
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| 22:33.22 | MichaelOF | hi all. installed 9.3, fresh download, i386, on an old PC. Dual boot, old XP box. Installation itself went fine, system starts. But X / Gnome fails to start. Screen changes to graphical, mouse cursor appears, a couple of seconds to be waited, mouse cursor dissappears. X starts automatically again. |
| 22:33.53 | MichaelOF | Login via ssh is possible, and dmgesg shows " gnome-shell[503]: segfault at 4 ip ac6e876d sp bf923e90 error 4 in libLLVM-3.9.so.1[abde2000+2d1b000]" |
| 22:34.21 | MichaelOF | again and again. found this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=134062 but no real solution. any hints? |
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| 22:41.15 | jhutchins | dob1: That was probably configured vi nm-cli or if there's a GUI then the NM Applet for whatever desktop. Wouldn't be by editing a file. |
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| 22:50.34 | annadane | starting virt-manager gives the following: https://paste.debian.net/1012827/ |
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| 23:03.49 | awal1 | annadane https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1437933 |
| 23:04.03 | awal1 | there may be a deb bug also |
| 23:05.42 | awal1 | may be #765045 |
| 23:05.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/765045 in libvirt-daemon-system (closed, sid, jessie): «[libvirt-clients] error: authentication failed: no agent is available to authenticate»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-10-13; last modified: 2014-11-22. |
| 23:05.52 | annadane | proposed answers in that thread are "does your desktop environment have polkit" and "add yourself to the libvirt group" |
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| 23:08.06 | awal1 | annadane, obviously you have to add yourself to libvirt group yeah |
| 23:08.20 | awal1 | adduser annadane libvuirt |
| 23:09.37 | awal1 | I mean: installing libvirt & accessories one have to add himself to libvirt group automatically |
| 23:10.08 | annadane | well, doing that got rid of the warning |
| 23:10.30 | annadane | s/warning/error/"screw you you can't do that" |
| 23:10.57 | awal1 | what? |
| 23:11.06 | annadane | never mind, being silly |
| 23:11.09 | annadane | thanks for help |
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| 23:11.36 | awal1 | virtualbox does stuff automatically |
| 23:11.56 | awal1 | not sure why not libvirt and company |
| 23:15.00 | awal1 | annadane, for your info: you may want 'spice-vdagent' pkg for have a better experience with your emulation software |
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| 23:15.29 | awal1 | in my opinion, that pkg should be in recommends, or at least in suggests |
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| 23:21.59 | SpeakerToMeat | Hello |
| 23:22.35 | annadane | virt-manager is probably more barebones and doesn't make assumptions |
| 23:22.39 | annadane | compared to vbox |
| 23:22.40 | SpeakerToMeat | For a package with .patch files (not dpatch, right?) is there any tool similar to dpatch-edit-patch or to "convert" the package to dpatch? |
| 23:24.36 | awal1 | i just use unstable, and for that branch I found vbox more stable than qemu-kvm |
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| 23:25.11 | awal1 | i used qmu-kvm under wheezy and it was so solid, a great experience |
| 23:25.55 | awal1 | i choosed vbox also bcoz of guest-x11 (full screen mode for guest ...) |
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| 23:26.53 | awal1 | software is out there and "free"; one uses what suites his needs; that is my opinion |
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| 23:34.35 | pingouin | hello |
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| 23:38.52 | pingouin | i've just changed my screen, for a bigger one, full HD 1920x1080, 27". Some menus fonts (on top of the app, file, tools, view or dialog box etc..) are horribles (LibreOffice, Qjackctl, dialog box for Chromium...) and to small barely readable. And some others fonts in other applications are perfect (Xterm, irssi, Firefox, Blender...) how can i control that and where ? |
| 23:40.14 | awal1 | pingouin, which fonts are you using? |
| 23:40.23 | awal1 | and which DE/WM? |
| 23:41.01 | somiaj | It also might be a matter of what widget set is being used. |
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| 23:44.00 | pingouin | awal1: sorry, I3wm |
| 23:45.00 | pingouin | and i do not use font specialy, it's only the font in the menu, you know on top of some apps, like : file tools help |
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| 23:47.28 | somiaj | pingouin: is it just libreoffice that is having problems, you can install libreoffice-gtk or something like tha to get another widget set. |
| 23:47.47 | somiaj | You should also check the dpi setting (though this shoudl be fixed at 96 on newer systems) and different ui scale factors for fonts. |
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| 23:49.22 | annadane | huh, interesting. i went ahead and installed libreoffice-gtk and it complied with the dark theme i have on xfce |
| 23:49.31 | annadane | i didn't know you could do that but it makes sense |
| 23:49.58 | somiaj | it would ues the gtk widget set, which would use the theme you have ste for gtk2 (I think it is gtk2 and not gtk3) |
| 23:50.26 | somiaj | If you change your gtk theme it should change the window to match |
| 23:50.30 | annadane | well it certainly looks nicer now in any event :-) |
| 23:50.31 | pingouin | if i somiaj : indeed i've tried xrandr --dpi 96 and it's work, font in some menus like i've said are no more tiny, but i'm not sure my display is 96 dpi, X set it at resolution: 54x54 dots per inch |
| 23:51.14 | somiaj | It use to be you could change the font dpi to get bigger fonts all around, but some change a few years ago seemed to want to stick the font dpi at 96, and then use a scaling factor. |
| 23:51.30 | somiaj | I haven't had issues in a while, but there might be a way to force the scaling factor for all xft fonts. |
| 23:51.54 | pingouin | but it only some menu font that are affected by this, so instead of changing DPI, i would have prefered changed the default font size that is used by Debian in these menus... |
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| 23:52.40 | pingouin | an xdpyinfo give me : resolution: 54x54 dots per inch |
| 23:53.12 | pingouin | and i do not find any information on DPI for this display device |
| 23:53.32 | somiaj | there is the old Xft.dpi setting in xresources that could change the dpi, but I don't think this is honored any more, but it is what I keep getting in google (probabaly outdated though) |
| 23:54.06 | somiaj | ahh looks like xrand has a scale, one second |
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| 23:54.34 | somiaj | ahh, no I don't tink you want the xrandr --scale option |
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| 23:57.05 | somiaj | yea, I'm not getting any good hits, and unsure what the best way to deal with this since xorg is now fixed at 96dpi (or should be) |
| 23:57.21 | somiaj | Might be you have to configure each widget set you are using, such as gtk, your window mangaer, qt, etc for this. |
| 23:57.56 | pingouin | how to set gtk ? or qt ? |
| 23:58.02 | pingouin | this is what i'm looking for |
| 23:58.23 | somiaj | there is a GTK_SCALE_FACTOR or something enviroment variable you can use for this |
| 23:58.26 | pingouin | as i guess, LibreOffice Qjacktcl or Qcad have , QT behind them ? |
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| 23:59.14 | somiaj | yea looks like there is a GDK_SCALE and a GDK_DPI_SCALE |
| 23:59.27 | pingouin | and by the way, stupid question, if xorg is now fixed at 96dpi...why xdpyinfo give me : resolution: 54x54 dots per inch |
