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| 00:08.32 | birdbolt1 | hallo |
| 00:08.40 | annadane | hallo |
| 00:08.44 | jim | hi, is there a buster netinst yet? (hilite me to answer please :) |
| 00:09.01 | annadane | probably but you shouldn't use it unless you want to test the installer |
| 00:09.17 | annadane | if you want to install testing install a minimal stable first and upgrade to testing and add what you need later |
| 00:09.43 | capn | jim: |
| 00:09.44 | birdbolt1 | someone please help me fix scaling: https://imgur.com/S9aldfk |
| 00:09.52 | birdbolt1 | I dont know what to do at this point |
| 00:10.06 | birdbolt1 | been struggling to manage it like this for months i cant take it anymore |
| 00:10.32 | birdbolt1 | increasing character size to max doesnt help when buttons are so tiny, and some devs' apps scale weirdly |
| 00:11.02 | birdbolt1 | thats 3000x2000 on a 13.5 inch body |
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| 00:11.50 | birdbolt1 | anyone know how to do something like set render scale to 200% or something |
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| 00:13.39 | certified | birdbolt1: you can do that on kde |
| 00:14.00 | rant | birdbolt1: check Preferences > Appearance [Fonts] tab and [Details] button change the DPI resolution |
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| 00:16.19 | rant | not sure what Desktop Environment that is, but this works for me in MATE and you seem to have similar menu entries |
| 00:16.22 | jelly | jim, what's your goal? testing installer is not used to install testing (but to test... the installer) |
| 00:16.40 | birdbolt1 | certified, so I figure out how to install the kde env, switch to it, and then I'll have that option? |
| 00:17.42 | certified | not sure |
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| 00:19.46 | jim | jelly, trying to test a machine that has (maybe) a newer broadcom chip to see if it connects, and if the firmware is uptodate for it |
| 00:20.04 | jim | don't need to install anything for that |
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| 00:20.57 | jelly | jim, if it uses non-free firmware d-i will be useless anyway. |
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| 00:21.27 | x0r4 | hello |
| 00:21.46 | jim | ok, good enough, thought I'd try |
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| 00:21.49 | jim | hi |
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| 00:22.43 | jelly | if however you want to look at the upcoming installer, look at the devel pages: |
| 00:22.47 | jelly | !d-i |
| 00:22.47 | dpkg | Debian 9 "Stretch is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
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| 00:26.13 | jelly | oh there are actually weekly builds of unofficial d-i with firmware. No idea how broken those are. |
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| 00:26.37 | jelly | jim, if things break you get to keep all the pieces. |
| 00:28.23 | jim | and I would -want- the pieces too! |
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| 00:46.49 | LibrarianMage | Hi! I started up my virtual box today and gave me a kernel panic. Would anyone be able to help me figure out if I can fix it? |
| 00:49.41 | birdbolt1 | anyone know if you can get a terminal at login screen? |
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| 00:50.08 | birdbolt1 | I installed kde from apt, and I login, screen blacks out, and comes back with me satill at login screen |
| 00:50.14 | birdbolt1 | I'd like to remove the package |
| 00:50.42 | Brigo | birdbolt1, try crtl+alt+F1 |
| 00:51.17 | birdbolt1 | Brigo, nice, that worked |
| 00:51.20 | Brigo | LibrarianMage, in the host or the guest? |
| 00:51.45 | LibrarianMage | guest |
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| 00:52.32 | Brigo | LibrarianMage, so you have a debian in a VB and all of the sudden today gave you a kernel panic? |
| 00:52.47 | birdbolt1 | wtf, I did startx, and i landed back to cinnamon |
| 00:52.52 | Brigo | what debian version? can you paste the kernel panic? |
| 00:52.56 | LibrarianMage | Brigo: yes |
| 00:53.05 | birdbolt1 | how to properly switch from cinnamon desktop to kde? |
| 00:53.09 | LibrarianMage | Idk how to copy and paste the output :p |
| 00:53.51 | Brigo | birdbolt1, you should get the option to choose at boot time or when you relaunch the desktop manager. |
| 00:54.35 | Brigo | LibrarianMage, usually with a mouse, if you can, then you can take a picture and upload it to somewhere. |
| 00:55.01 | birdbolt1 | okay startx should refresh the session right? |
| 00:56.19 | LibrarianMage | Brigo: My computer decided to force update, so it may be a bit |
| 00:56.28 | Brigo | birdbolt1, i don't think so. |
| 00:56.48 | LibrarianMage | sorry |
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| 00:57.24 | Brigo | no, actually i'm sorry, i have to go, time to hitting the bed. |
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| 01:48.34 | spacedust | i update debian jessie to strech |
| 01:48.37 | spacedust | but now i cant upgrade zfs |
| 01:48.39 | spacedust | its stuck |
| 01:48.44 | spacedust | cant even remove it :) |
| 01:52.50 | spacedust | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.00 | spacedust | but i dont even have a file or dir there |
| 01:53.08 | spacedust | aptinstall -f doesnt fixes it |
| 01:53.14 | spacedust | nothing fixes it removing zfs neither |
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| 02:18.02 | awal1 | where are stored nm config exactly? |
| 02:20.33 | awal1 | $HOME I meant |
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| 02:21.40 | rant | you mean how to you change your homedirectory? |
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| 02:24.08 | crn | spacedust, try apt-get dist-upgrade. sometimes it takes several tries for all the dependencies to get sorted. good luck. |
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| 02:24.15 | awal1 | rant I mean I purge network-manager & network-manager-gnome (aptitude/apt/apt-get) but when I reinstall network-manager (-gnome) I see that previous settings (wifi, wpa...) are saved even if no trace in .gconf |
| 02:24.55 | rant | ah |
| 02:25.15 | awal1 | so wondering where that settings are saved, apart .gconf |
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| 02:25.25 | rant | lemme check |
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| 02:27.07 | crn | awall, in my case i removed all my network configuration from /etc/network. It had configuration information i gave it YEARS ago. when that was removed netoek manager etc worked. |
| 02:27.47 | sprite_ | hello again, people. just a quick question here; can anybody point me to a resource or give me a quick synopsis on how to install the build chain packages to my debian jessie deboostrap'ed hierarchy so I can get a really fussy binary built? |
| 02:28.00 | crn | awal, it worked on reboot. |
| 02:28.29 | sprite_ | I've gotten through the installation of the system, haven't done any of the incantations for making /proc work or anything like that yet. I assumed it wouldn't be needed just to build a binary, but my inexperience in this matter _is_ legion, soo... |
| 02:28.38 | crn | awall, how it did it, i don't know. |
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| 02:30.47 | awal1 | crn, rant, hm, I finally found nm saved settings in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections |
| 02:31.10 | awal1 | not in .gconf as stupid ubuntu forums suggests |
| 02:31.10 | rant | yeah, I was running a text search trying to find the stuff I had configured |
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| 02:31.46 | crn | awall, great. |
| 02:31.59 | awal1 | but aptitude/apt/apt-get purge network-manager network-manager-gnome should have deleted /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections |
| 02:32.14 | awal1 | right? |
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| 02:32.52 | awal1 | not sure why that folder have not been deleted with purge |
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| 02:43.48 | spacedust | crn: i tryed too |
| 02:43.56 | spacedust | crn: i tryed too dist-upgrade |
| 02:44.01 | spacedust | removed zfs repo |
| 02:44.03 | spacedust | readded |
| 02:44.06 | spacedust | updated |
| 02:44.08 | spacedust | its tuck |
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| 02:49.16 | spacedust | zfs issue : http://dpaste.com/34DJ7PJ |
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| 02:53.57 | rant | zfs repo? |
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| 02:56.38 | awal1 | nm ignores /etc/network/interfaces, ok |
| 02:57.04 | rant | actually in my experience if you configure in interfaces nm ignores that interface |
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| 03:01.31 | awal1 | that , yeah |
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| 03:05.19 | awal1 | i noticed that during nm install it suggests to comment out eth0 in interfaces file and let nm manage it instead of ifup/down |
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| 03:15.28 | bubba | hello All, quick question if anyone can answer. will debian 9.3 recognize a full128gb of ram on a i9 system? |
| 03:16.20 | awal1 | I dsee that xul-ext-adblock-plus is disabled on firefox 58.0.1-1+b1 what about xul-ext-ublock-origin ? |
| 03:16.35 | spacedust | duh i figured this is another debian system of mine not the one i tought |
| 03:16.43 | awal1 | disabled bcoz of incompatibility |
| 03:16.48 | spacedust | too old :) |
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| 03:49.36 | sprite_ | what would be the easiest way to get gcc-5 working on a debian stretch system? |
| 03:51.45 | rant | ,v gcc |
| 03:51.46 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:7.2.0-1d1; sid: 4:7.2.0-1d1 |
| 03:51.55 | sprite_ | doh |
| 03:52.11 | sprite_ | er |
| 03:52.22 | rant | gcc 5 eh? |
| 03:52.28 | sprite_ | sorry I'm a bit frazzled, it's been a hell of a weekend here |
| 03:53.02 | sprite_ | so I've got gcc 6.3.0 on my debian 9.3 system here |
| 03:53.48 | rant | I've got it on my debian 9.3 system here too :P |
| 03:54.19 | sprite_ | yeah, working around some pretty intense distractions here, sorry about the delay |
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| 03:55.02 | sprite_ | anyway I've got a project I need that needs the buildchain that just got axed in debian 9.3 |
| 03:55.19 | rant | would the 4.9 in jessie work then? |
| 03:56.06 | sprite_ | I was trying to use debootstrap to do just that, actually |
| 03:56.15 | rant | because it'd be rather simple to setup a jessie chroot with debootstrap and install build-essential ;) |
| 03:56.24 | sprite_ | aye |
| 03:56.32 | sprite_ | I must've messed up my jail |
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| 03:58.07 | sprite_ | er wait, no, the issue was that once I had that done, jessie didn't have some correct cuda crap at that point |
| 03:58.37 | rant | smart man.. ATTICA! |
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| 03:59.15 | sprite_ | *laugh* |
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| 04:01.02 | sprite_ | I may well be too frazzled to be able to tackle this problem right now |
| 04:05.37 | ChmEarl | sprite_, work in unstable chroot, apt-get install gcc-5 g++-5 |
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| 04:07.57 | sprite_ | I'm givin' it another go :) |
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| 04:08.44 | dvs | oh noes! |
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| 04:12.15 | dtux | are security packages (e.g. rsync, curl) considered essentia;? |
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| 04:26.12 | rant | dtux: apt show rsync curl | grep Priority | sort -u shows "Optional" |
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| 04:30.48 | daegontaven | Hey guys, I used dd to copy a minbase variety of debian into the second partition of my harddisk..and it's just blink when when I try to boot |
| 04:31.15 | daegontaven | Is there a way I can diagnose this issue ? |
| 04:31.59 | daegontaven | What i did was chroot into the image...and install xfce into it |
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| 04:32.35 | daegontaven | Anybody? |
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| 04:38.27 | dtux | rant: ty |
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| 04:45.08 | rant | daegontaven: you need to be more specific this is not a standard installation method and lawd only knows what you could have done wrong |
| 04:45.27 | rant | could've setup the bootloader wrong, no telling WHAT it was you actually copied..etc |
| 04:46.08 | rant | you probably should've just dd a netinst onto a thumbdrive and ran the installer |
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| 05:02.03 | sprite_ | ah, so yeah, I stumbled back across my problem. in my 'jessie' jail I'm able to use the appropriate gcc to build the project, but then I'm running into issues with nvcc, which I believe are due to jessie's nvidia toolkit being too old |
| 05:02.15 | sprite_ | the horror... |
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| 05:06.51 | rant | ,v nvidia-cuda-toolkit |
| 05:06.53 | judd | Package: nvidia-cuda-toolkit on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.2.9-2; wheezy-backports/non-free: 5.5.22-6~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 6.0.37-5; jessie-backports/non-free: 7.5.18-4~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 8.0.44-4; buster/non-free: 9.0.176-2; sid/non-free: 9.0.176-2; experimental/non-free: 9.1.85-1 |
| 05:07.18 | rant | sprite_: there is 7.5.18 in jessie-backports |
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| 05:08.10 | rant | sprite_: and you can probably setup schroot to run gcc from the chroot and still use the nvcc from stretch |
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| 05:09.46 | sprite_ | a'ite. I'm really not sure if I should be trying this before a full night's sleep, though. I'm gonna save yr instructions for when I make a horrible mistake and realize that I need to lay down and do it tomorrow |
| 05:09.49 | rant | idk though would certainly be a complicated build process.. I'd try the backport first |
| 05:10.10 | rant | sprite_: probably a good idea... heh. |
| 05:10.26 | sprite_ | yeah this whole thing is a pretty horrifying. heh |
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| 05:50.27 | password4 | hi , is there a fixed timeframe for a package to be in testing before it comes to stable? |
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| 05:51.51 | klys | when testing is frozen there is a tentative release date for all packages |
| 05:52.18 | password4 | ah |
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| 05:53.09 | password4 | I want to get a backup iso for incase my current insatallation goes pear shape , so I want to gauage if i have to wait for the nvidia drivers in stable to be updated or just get testing |
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| 05:55.40 | nkuttler | password4: the testing installer is for testing the installer, not installing debian |
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| 05:56.05 | nkuttler | password4: in expert mode you can also edit your sources during install |
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| 05:59.01 | password4 | wait testing and stable is not seperate dvds? |
| 05:59.23 | nkuttler | password4: there separate installers |
| 05:59.27 | password4 | i use the offline installers |
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| 06:18.26 | dtux | anyone know why dpkg-query -S "/usr/bin/git" doesn't work in the debian:stable docker image? works fine on my desktop |
| 06:21.47 | darxmurf | morning |
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| 06:47.53 | dtux | er... is there a way to search apt-cache by file? |
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| 07:00.16 | dtux | ah, apt-file may do what i need |
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| 07:04.19 | rant | password4: testing and unstable change too frequently to bother making ISOs of the repos |
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| 07:05.39 | password4 | oh |
| 07:06.51 | rant | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 07:06.53 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 384.111-4; sid/non-free: 384.111-4; experimental/non-free: 390.25-1 |
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| 07:07.16 | rant | password4: as you can see stretch-backports has the same nvidia drivers as testing/unstable |
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| 07:08.34 | rant | password4: you can just get stretch dvds or make a stretch repo and maintain the nvidia drivers seperately from backports if for some reason you actually need it. perhaps consider setting up your own mirror |
| 07:09.28 | rant | at least if you have your own mirror or an apt-caching proxy you can keep up-to-date with security updates |
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| 07:09.54 | rant | I personally ran and apt-caching proxy when I had many debian machines at home |
| 07:10.01 | password4 | setting up my own mirror is a bit over the top |
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| 07:10.46 | rant | an apt-cacher would only mirror the packages you actually use and would only fetch packages from an internet mirror if they were not cached or if there were newer versions available |
| 07:10.52 | [E]sc | is there a way to add btrfs to the liveusb so that I can install the os, because it's complaining it doesn't recognize the file format system |
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| 07:13.37 | password4 | rant i just want an iso for when my current broken install finally goes fully broken |
| 07:13.53 | [shit]node | !ops | el is a pedophile, plz ban asap |
| 07:13.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: [shit]node complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 07:16.39 | rant | [E]sc: just use the debian-installer instead of the live? |
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| 07:18.01 | rant | password4: there are/were utilities to just take a running system and make it into a live iso that can be ran and installed, may be more what you're looking for |
| 07:18.27 | password4 | no |
| 07:18.53 | password4 | my current installation is barely working , I don't want to copy the barely working settings |
| 07:19.07 | rant | shrugs |
| 07:19.26 | rant | what is the problem with just having a netinstall media and installing from the internet? |
| 07:19.40 | rant | ISOs are outdated the minute you burn them |
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| 07:23.04 | password4 | cap |
| 07:23.16 | password4 | limited nbandwidth |
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| 07:26.08 | aci | password4: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup |
| 07:26.22 | aci | You cannot fix a broken installation with an outdated ISO |
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| 07:26.39 | aci | The primary question is why it's broken in the first time |
| 07:27.03 | password4 | because installing drivers on linux is still dodgey as fuck |
| 07:27.23 | annadane | not if you do it properly... |
| 07:28.10 | aci | yes it's a pita mostly due to idiotic guides |
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| 07:28.43 | aci | that breaks the apt upgrade |
| 07:29.36 | rant | password4: do you have more than one machine? |
| 07:29.42 | password4 | annadane: oh like how the stuff in the repos broke my x? |
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| 07:29.53 | aci | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 07:29.54 | rant | because an apt-cacher is more bandwidth efficient than an ISO |
| 07:30.00 | password4 | 2 , but their not keps in sync |
| 07:30.11 | password4 | an iso i can dl for free at work |
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| 07:30.49 | aci | password4: any particular driver? |
| 07:30.51 | password4 | wow a contradiciton is the first sentence "Debian is a robust and reliable system, but it's still very easy for new users to break their systems by not doing things the Debian way" |
| 07:30.57 | password4 | nvidia |
| 07:31.13 | towo^work | nvidia is not debian |
| 07:31.14 | annadane | that's... not a contradiction at all |
| 07:31.17 | aci | If you absolutely must have the proprietary closed source drivers, do not download them directly from the manufacturer's website!. Installing drivers this way only works for the current kernel, and after the next kernel update your video drivers will not work until they are manually reinstalled again. |
| 07:31.18 | annadane | also that |
| 07:31.27 | annadane | also THAT |
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| 07:31.49 | towo^work | nvidia is propritary crap, it may work, or not |
| 07:31.58 | towo^work | there is nothing, wgat debian can do here |
| 07:32.08 | towo^work | *what |
| 07:32.09 | aci | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 07:32.15 | aci | howto |
| 07:32.26 | aci | If you want prop. drivers |
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| 07:32.52 | rant | towo^work: fwiw its "that" |
| 07:33.13 | towo^work | or so |
| 07:33.20 | towo^work | english is not my native |
| 07:33.48 | rant | towo^work: I can tell, thats why I told you in case you may want to know ;) |
| 07:34.04 | password4 | need version > 375 |
| 07:34.18 | password4 | but we are missing my point so freaking far |
| 07:34.25 | aci | password4: It's basic actually. If you install a prop driver with prop script. Don't blame the os when it breaks |
| 07:34.25 | annadane | can we communicate in esperanto, please |
| 07:34.56 | password4 | aci i installed that one you linked |
| 07:35.06 | password4 | could not boot into X when I rebooted |
| 07:35.22 | password4 | my drivers is working now |
| 07:35.29 | password4 | well idk how |
| 07:35.42 | annadane | seems pretty robust to me |
| 07:35.44 | password4 | it started working correctly after my pc woke up from sleep |
| 07:36.02 | password4 | having to manually startx on boot is not robust |
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| 07:36.19 | password4 | having to spend 5 hours to get into a de is not rodubst |
| 07:37.17 | aci | password4: No it isn't. Latest drivers from the web isn't Debians strength nor properitary drivers. That's the point. |
| 07:37.45 | aci | It's very robust in the right context |
| 07:37.57 | password4 | its easy to cross a bunch of stuff of the lsit and then call your thing robust |
| 07:38.11 | password4 | heck tnt is robust as long as you don't set it off? |
| 07:38.35 | aci | Yes it is, thats why thay made it instead of using nitroglycerine? |
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| 07:39.33 | aci | Debain is robust as long you use the open and standard repositorys. If you want something else maybe Debian testing or Ubuntu is more in your flavour. |
| 07:40.05 | password4 | debian is stable compared to linux in general , I'll give you that |
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| 07:40.48 | rant | anyone interested in actually addressing the issue with this specific hardware or are you just gonna keep debating? |
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| 08:06.45 | yottanami | Hey all |
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| 08:07.38 | yottanami | I am trying to connect my bluetooth headphone using blueman but I got this message http://dpaste.com/2THYGP4 how should I fix it? |
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| 08:17.20 | [E]sc | rant thanks. i'll try that then. |
| 08:18.59 | rant | [E]sc: yes, the debian-installer is reported to have had btrfs support for some time now |
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| 08:20.03 | rant | I personally avoid new filesystems like the plague.. btrfs has been around awhile but still has a lot of concerns |
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| 08:24.05 | rant | yottanami: addressing that and getting the headphone to work are two seperate things.. addressing the issue with blueman involves background on what version of softwares you are using, perhaps the BTS, etc.. where as getting the headphone to work you probably want to go low-level with hci-tool or such |
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| 08:27.45 | rant | yottanami: generally speaking https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser may help.. could just be that there is no bluetooth daemon running and thats why blueman is failing to connect |
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| 08:36.28 | yottanami | rant, But I can use it on Windows and even Ubuntu easily. |
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| 09:44.44 | [E]sc | rant, which filesystem would you recommend then? |
| 09:45.32 | [E]sc | if i make the liveusb persistence will the updated packages be installed there and be available for the install process onto the computer? |
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| 09:49.29 | BanHammor | i don't think the persistent part of USB flash is copied over on installation, no |
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| 09:56.23 | [E]sc | BanHammor, thank you for your reply. I was afraid of that. it's a pity. I guess i'll have to customize my iso for install. |
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| 11:01.30 | BanHammor | e.g. ls /boot |
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| 11:03.23 | cusco | I would basically like to find out what file is a specific device trying to request, this the logging |
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| 11:39.40 | gvvg__ | Hi - I am trying to connect to my postgres database and I suspect IPtables is blocking the connection - I'm not sure how to stop it temporarily and restart it - it doesn't seem to be a service running deb 8 with iptables 1.4.21-2+b1 - thanks in advance |
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| 12:00.10 | darxmurf | or add a rule to allow everything from the client IP |
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| 12:26.10 | petn-randall | gvvg__: Can you show us the output of 'iptables -L -vn' via https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 12:28.06 | gvvg__ | petn-randall: sure here you go https://pastebin.com/4MQjALrK |
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| 12:29.36 | roflcakes | folks, If I want to update a specific application on stretch how do I do it, go to install it again ? |
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| 12:29.57 | roflcakes | I have done apt-get update |
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| 12:30.24 | BCMM | roflcakes: as in, there's an upgrade waiting, but you want that application now, not to wait while the whole system upgrades? |
| 12:30.35 | BCMM | roflcakes: or as in you want a newer version than is in the repos? |
| 12:30.54 | roflcakes | BCMM: ok for instance there is a security release of irssi |
| 12:31.11 | roflcakes | im on the older version, how do I get stretch to pull in the updated security fix, i assume its in the repo |
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| 12:31.35 | BCMM | roflcakes: do you have a specific aversion to upgrading the whole system? |
| 12:31.43 | roflcakes | nope |
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| 12:31.48 | roflcakes | its fresh ish vm |
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| 12:32.02 | roflcakes | full-upgrade |
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| 12:32.56 | gaxl | is this sha2 or sha3? cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/SHA512SUMS |
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| 12:33.20 | jelly | roflcakes: if you want the update for just one specific package, it's same as installing it: apt-get install packagename |
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| 12:33.30 | roflcakes | thanks |
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| 12:34.06 | darxmurf | except with a dirty for+find, is there a way to give a folder the timestamp of the last modified file in it ? and to that recursively for all the subfolders ? |
| 12:34.06 | BCMM | gaxl: almost certainly sha-2 |
| 12:34.10 | jelly | gaxl: sha2 |
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| 12:34.30 | OS-36618 | Hello |
| 12:34.43 | jelly | darxmurf: no |
| 12:34.49 | BCMM | gaxl: since sha-1 didn't support variable output size, terms like "sha-512" refer to sha-2 by default |
| 12:34.54 | petn-randall | OS-36618: Are you using Kali or Parrot? |
| 12:35.04 | OS-36618 | kali |
| 12:35.04 | jelly | "yes" |
| 12:35.05 | BCMM | gaxl: for sha3 it would be something like sha3-512 |
| 12:35.12 | darxmurf | jelly: then let's warm up the disks \o/ |
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| 12:35.32 | petn-randall | !tell OS-36618 -about kali |
| 12:35.58 | gaxl | why does debian, gpgtools, everyone use sha2 instead of sha3 considering sha2 is vulnerable/not secure while sha3 is |
| 12:36.28 | petn-randall | gaxl: What makes sha2 vulnerable? |
| 12:36.33 | roflcakes | I have a feeling that I dont fully understand the package naming convention. |
| 12:36.38 | roflcakes | irssi is already the newest version (1.0.2-1+deb9u3). |
| 12:36.40 | BCMM | gaxl: got a link about that sha2 vuln? |
| 12:36.50 | jelly | gaxl: vulnerable to what attack that's going to be praticably using in the next 10 years? |
| 12:36.53 | BCMM | gaxl: or are you talking about theoretical post-quantum issues? |
| 12:36.54 | gaxl | well I was looking at this table https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Hash_Algorithms |
| 12:36.58 | OS-36618 | #petn-randall i from backtrack to kali, cant spick good english, sorry about that |
| 12:36.58 | jelly | usable* |
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| 12:37.28 | OS-36618 | petn-randall, what you interest about kali? |
| 12:37.30 | Qas | hello, does anyone have experience with masterpdf editor on debian? it offers ubuntu download, but there is no mention of debian |
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| 12:38.08 | roflcakes | offsec overflow lulz |
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| 12:38.40 | BCMM | petn-randall: how did you know? (about the kali user) |
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| 12:38.58 | darxmurf | hmm damn it's not that simple ^^ |
| 12:38.59 | petn-randall | BCMM: They all match the regex /OS-\d+/. |
| 12:39.22 | BCMM | petn-randall: hmm, how come? i thought it was default root? |
| 12:39.36 | BCMM | or does it autogenerate configuration for an included irc client? |
| 12:39.47 | OS-36618 | petn-randall, where you from? i am new member here |
| 12:40.03 | roflcakes | they are on the course and have to change their nick in the channel for support |
| 12:40.24 | rafalcpp | is debian still supporting static IP on card |
| 12:40.27 | roflcakes | he thinks he is typing in #offsec |
| 12:40.31 | gaxl | sha2 512 is vulnerable to length extension attacks, is it possible while keeping the same file size? |
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| 12:41.09 | jelly | gaxl: those basically mean it's as good as sha2 128 bits, which is still good enough |
| 12:41.33 | BCMM | gaxl: how do you think length extension works? |
| 12:41.37 | roflcakes | jelly: did you see my irssi version info, does that mean its patched with the security update ? |
| 12:41.49 | jelly | roflcakes: I did not. |
| 12:41.52 | roflcakes | irssi is already the newest version (1.0.2-1+deb9u3). |
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| 12:42.10 | jelly | roflcakes: look at package version and consult security-tracker.debian.org |
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| 12:42.17 | roflcakes | ok |
| 12:42.31 | roflcakes | so the bit at the end +deb9u3 means that it could be patched |
| 12:42.42 | BCMM | gaxl: i mean, how does it pertain to debian package signing? |
| 12:43.04 | jelly | roflcakes: if you know the CVE number you can look itup directly on that page. |
| 12:43.05 | gaxl | BCMM: just downloading the iso or other software |
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| 12:43.37 | gaxl | jelly: sha2 wikipedia: SHA-256 and SHA-512, and, to a lesser degree, SHA-224 and SHA-384 are prone to length extension attacks,[7] rendering it insecure for some applications. |
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| 12:44.17 | BCMM | gaxl: right, but *what attack is possible with those* that wouldn't also be possible with a different hashing algorithm? |
| 12:44.24 | petn-randall | OS-36618: You are in the wrong channel. This is for Debian support. You're looking for #kali-linux. |
| 12:44.32 | jelly | gaxl: now go and read [7] and read what Schneier says about those |
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| 12:46.10 | OS-36618 | petn-randall, thank for information, i try to register on OSCP course and there found this channel |
| 12:46.23 | OS-36618 | sorry about misundarstending |
| 12:46.57 | OS-36618 | i new member here |
| 12:47.25 | gaxl | jelly: [7] has no reference to Schneier but I can just google Schneier sha2 |
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| 12:48.41 | rafalcpp | BCMM: debian packages are signed with PGP right? pretty sure it uses checksums in secure manner |
| 12:48.54 | BCMM | rafalcpp: quite. |
| 12:49.11 | petn-randall | gaxl: Actually, [7] doesn't even reference SHA2, but MD5, which is broken for different reasons. |
| 12:49.27 | BCMM | rafalcpp: however gaxl has clarified that he's talking about iso image download, where there's a sha512sum in the mirror directory with the iso |
| 12:49.48 | rafalcpp | it seems that attack would only do one thing: without knowing content of original .iso |
| 12:49.57 | rafalcpp | it would allow to calculate the checksum of .iso with appended data at end |
| 12:50.07 | BCMM | i'm not clear if he's got a reason for thinking length extension is an issue here, other than that it exists |
| 12:50.14 | rafalcpp | how ever, content of original .iso is not a *secret*, so the extension attack seems to have no use here |
| 12:50.40 | BCMM | honestly though, i'm not quite sure what the purpose of that checksum is |
| 12:51.03 | BCMM | its coming from the same source as the iso, and can be expected to be subject to the same tamper risks as the iso |
| 12:51.06 | rafalcpp | BCMM: well, debian release team signs that file with checksums of iso |
| 12:51.21 | gvvg__ | Hi - I am trying to connect to my postgres database and I suspect IPtables is blocking the connection - I'm not sure how to stop it temporarily and restart it - it doesn't seem to be a service running deb 8 with iptables 1.4.21-2+b1 |
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| 12:51.39 | gaxl | Im using a computer that does not have any pgp tools and Im trying to verify the pgp tools program download |
| 12:51.46 | gvvg__ | Here is a pastebin of iptables -L -vn https://pastebin.com/4MQjALrK |
| 12:51.48 | BCMM | rafalcpp: oh lol, i didn't see SHA512SUMS.sign in the same directory |
| 12:51.50 | gaxl | gpg* |
| 12:52.16 | rafalcpp | gaxl: calculate checksum (even windows has software for that), write it on paper |
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| 12:52.25 | rafalcpp | and ask around is this the correct checksum |
| 12:52.35 | petn-randall | gvvg__: How are you trying to connect? |
| 12:52.49 | gvvg__ | petn-randall: using a psql |
| 12:53.39 | BCMM | i'm trying not to be an elitist jerk pointing and laughing at kali users, but that username is *so* not helping |
| 12:53.40 | jelly | gaxl: this is really a topic for a cryptography channel. However a 30 second search https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/02/sha-1_collision.html has some comments which suggests issues with HMAC usage, not mere hash usage |
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| 12:54.08 | D4rkn3S | this is the offsec channel? |
| 12:54.20 | BCMM | D4rkn3S: no. |
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| 12:54.22 | jelly | D4rkn3S: no, this is #debian |
| 12:54.26 | BCMM | D4rkn3S: the offsec channel is #offsec |
| 12:54.34 | D4rkn3S | ok, thank |
| 12:54.51 | BCMM | D4rkn3S: you're using hexchat, just look left a few cm |
| 12:55.10 | BCMM | D4rkn3S: you should see a list of channels |
| 12:55.14 | D4rkn3S | BCMM, thank, i know |
| 12:55.18 | BCMM | D4rkn3S: the one that's highlighted in blue is the one you're talking in |
| 12:55.45 | roflcakes | ok so its vulnerable, interesting |
| 12:55.55 | darxmurf | for z in *; do find "$z" -type d | awk '{ print length, $0 }' | sort -n -r | sed "s|^[0-9]\+[[:space:]]||" | while read f; do thedate=$(find "$f" -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -printf "%TY%Tm%Td\n" | sort | tail -1); if [[ -n "$thedate" ]]; then touch -d "$thedate" "$f"; lastdate="$thedate"; else touch -d "$lastdate" "$f"; fi; done; done |
| 12:56.00 | darxmurf | dirty :D |
| 12:56.02 | darxmurf | but it works \o/ |
| 12:56.32 | D4rkn3S | ok thank |
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| 12:57.01 | BCMM | D4rkn3S: let me guess, #offsec didn't let you in because you didn't register with nickserv? |
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| 12:57.10 | gvvg__ | petn-randall: any thoughts? could iptables be blocking my connection? |
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| 12:57.39 | gvvg__ | petn-randall: I thought an easy way to test would be turn iptables off try my connection and then turn it back on again |
| 12:57.51 | BCMM | D4rkn3S: if you ask in #freenode, they can help you get registered |
| 12:58.11 | D4rkn3S | #BCMM, i am going to register today |
| 12:58.30 | D4rkn3S | BCMM, ok thank once again |
| 12:59.22 | gaxl | the sha-2 wikipedia page says it's not secure but if everyone is still using it then they're using it just for error correction |
| 12:59.34 | BCMM | gaxl: it's just not as simple as that |
| 12:59.39 | BCMM | gaxl: "secure" or "not secure" |
| 12:59.48 | BCMM | gaxl: it is insecure in certain specific applications |
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| 13:00.49 | BCMM | ones that are unrelated to how debian uses them |
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| 13:01.27 | gaxl | I'm just talking about me and my browser using them to download debian or any other program |
| 13:02.02 | jelly | gaxl: that's hash usage and this particular attack is not relevant |
| 13:02.11 | BCMM | gaxl: if you're worried about somebody switching sha512sums for another file, the algorithm used does not matter |
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| 13:02.44 | BCMM | gaxl: however, you can confirm that that hasn't happened using SHA512SUMS.sign |
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| 13:03.37 | gaxl | BCMM: you can't do that if someone can produce a hash collision on sha2 512 |
| 13:03.45 | BCMM | gaxl: nobody has ever done that |
| 13:03.53 | jelly | that we know of! |
| 13:04.00 | jelly | *evil laugh* |
| 13:04.02 | BCMM | gaxl: i'm sorry, but i don't think you're actually reading the links you post |
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| 13:04.18 | BCMM | gaxl: wikipedia mentions a specific attack against sha-2 |
| 13:04.26 | BCMM | gaxl: it is not a way of producing collisions |
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| 13:05.41 | BCMM | gaxl: is it possible you're mis-remembering the sha-1 collision that was demonstrated by Google last year? |
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| 13:08.48 | gaxl | no I was just looking into sha2, so no mitm attack can happen during a download if sha2 is vulnerable to a length extension attack |
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| 13:13.11 | jelly | gaxl: being pedantic, no, the best thing you can say is: there is no known MITM attack. You can almost never say "attack can't happen" |
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| 13:15.59 | gaxl | I'm reading that through the process of a length extension attack a hacker can generate a valid hash, I am also reading that sha2 is vulnerable to length extension attacks |
| 13:16.27 | BCMM | gaxl: what sort of mitm are you talking about? |
| 13:16.44 | BCMM | gaxl: if you connect to a debian mirror over plain http, yes, somebody can mitm you and change the hash file |
| 13:16.52 | BCMM | gaxl: *regardless of the hashing algorithm used* |
| 13:17.10 | gaxl | I'm not talking about changing the hash file, the ISO |
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| 13:17.34 | BCMM | gaxl: but if they change the iso, the hash won't match any more |
| 13:18.03 | gaxl | if you do a length extension attack it will match |
| 13:18.15 | BCMM | gaxl: are you confusing length extension attacks with chosen-prefix collision attacks? |
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| 13:20.21 | BCMM | gaxl: length extension doesn't give you a way to generating a file with a matching hash |
| 13:20.58 | BCMM | gaxl: what it allows you to do is this: add data to the end of the iso file, and work out what the hash of the resulting file is, without knowing the contents of the original iso file |
| 13:21.13 | gaxl | oh |
| 13:21.23 | BCMM | in this case, that isn't useful to an attacker |
| 13:21.50 | gaxl | ok |
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| 13:22.06 | BCMM | gaxl: the attack matters because sometimes, people might try to, for example, digitally sign a message by hashing some secret value+the message |
| 13:22.40 | BCMM | in which case, length extension allows an attacker to generate a hash of secret value+the message+more stuff, without knowing the secret value |
| 13:23.18 | BCMM | so you see, an algorithm can be weak in a specific application without automatically being totally broken for all usage |
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| 13:24.07 | gaxl | useful, thanks |
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| 13:25.59 | BCMM | gaxl: now, it's always possible that the NSA has some tricks up their sleave, but there's no publicly-known collision attack for sha-2 |
| 13:26.30 | BCMM | that means that an attacker modifying your iso file would need to generate a modified checksum file to match |
| 13:26.57 | rafalcpp | who ever invented mousewheele = hide window in a retarded title bar, should be smacked in the face |
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| 13:27.40 | BCMM | gaxl: and that's where gpg comes in, allowing you to cryptographically verify that the checksum file was published by debian developers, or at least somebody with access to their private keys |
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| 13:27.57 | gaxl | I just saw MITM and extension attack on the same page together often on google |
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| 13:29.06 | gaxl | BCMM: I just wanted to make sure I can securely download gpg if its not already installed (its not for me) |
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| 13:29.39 | BCMM | gaxl: hmm. are you prepared to trust https? |
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| 13:30.37 | gvvg__ | Hi - I am trying to connect to my postgres database and I suspect IPtables is blocking the connection - I'm not sure how to stop it temporarily and restart it - it doesn't seem to be a service running deb 8 with iptables 1.4.21-2+b1 |
| 13:30.45 | gvvg__ | is there a better way or place to ask this question? |
| 13:30.55 | gvvg__ | perhaps another channel? |
| 13:31.25 | gvvg__ | Here is a pastebin of iptables -L -vn https://pastebin.com/4MQjALrK |
| 13:31.43 | gaxl | BCMM: Not really but I'm guessing 2048-bit SSL is more secure right |
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| 13:32.46 | gvvg__ | Here is a pastebin of iptables -L -vn ----> https://pastebin.com/SxTrESzZ |
| 13:34.13 | gaxl | BCMM: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/how-the-nsa-can-break-trillions-of-encrypted-web-and-vpn-connections/ |
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| 13:35.41 | BCMM | gaxl: well, do you have *any* encryption or signing software you trust? |
| 13:36.07 | BCMM | gaxl: i mean, if you've got no way to trust stuff you download from the internet, there's nothing you can download that will *make* you able to trust things |
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| 13:39.58 | gaxl | I can verify what the checksums should be using google cache, archive.org, and other connections/cell phones, to verify the published checksums on the site are the same |
| 13:40.15 | gaxl | so I'd just be concerned with the file itself |
| 13:41.11 | BCMM | gaxl: well if you can verify that the checksums are consistent from a trusted connection, i guess you've got no need to also verify the checksums with pgp |
| 13:41.53 | BCMM | (although it's worth pointing out that the debian model is supposed to be that you don't have to trust debian mirrors) |
| 13:43.03 | BCMM | i suppose if you're feeling too paranoid you can just order debian on CD in the post |
| 13:43.19 | BCMM | well dvd these days i guess |
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| 13:45.38 | gaxl | i can't verify the checksums with pgp if I'm trying to download pgp |
| 13:45.51 | gaxl | gpg* |
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| 13:49.10 | gaxl | As sha2 512 is secure. I can check the gpgtools site from many locations, google cache, multiple caches from archive.org, make sure the checksum published on all of them is the same |
| 13:50.20 | gaxl | my computer can compute sha2 512 without downloading anything |
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| 13:54.51 | tcp_j | hi, i have problem creating empty package, fails at dpkg-genbuildinfo: error: binary build with no binary artifacts found; .buildinfo is meaningless |
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| 13:58.29 | jaami___ | hi |
| 13:58.51 | jaami___ | unfortunately empathy is not showing me list of ppls |
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| 13:59.30 | jaami___ | anyway, i want to use app that can keep the internet connection alive at all time. what app name would you suggest? |
| 13:59.49 | BCMM | jaami___: what sort of internet connection? |
| 14:00.03 | jaami___ | is there some way debian itself keep connection to the internet alive at all time? |
| 14:00.13 | jaami___ | its usb dongle |
| 14:00.34 | jaami___ | i use wifi even though the usb is directly connected to my laptop |
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| 14:00.42 | BCMM | jaami___: i mean, my internet connection stays connected all the time, and i'm not doing anything special |
| 14:00.58 | BCMM | jaami___: do you connect through a router? |
| 14:01.03 | jaami___ | yes, but mine goes off after a minute or so |
| 14:01.34 | petn-randall | jaami___: Then you need to configure your router to not do that. |
| 14:01.43 | jaami___ | the usb has router in it where i set the idle time max to 120 seconds. but still i have to restart usb |
| 14:01.50 | petn-randall | jaami___: Are you paying by the minute for internet? |
| 14:01.56 | BCMM | jaami___: i still don't know what kind of internet connection you have |
| 14:02.02 | jaami___ | i pay for a month |
| 14:02.11 | jaami___ | oh |
| 14:02.11 | BCMM | jaami___: this usb dongle, is it a wifi dongle? cellular internet? |
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| 14:02.46 | jaami___ | yes, its wifi and if its directly in laptop port it also provides eithernet |
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| 14:03.12 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 14:03.20 | jaami___ | i keep the ethernet off and use wifi |
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| 14:03.55 | jaami___ | BCMM, have you seen huawe usb internet devices? |
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| 14:05.16 | jaami___ | i think the ISP turns of internet connection to mu USB when i am not using internet. so to connect again i have to restart the router in the USB |
| 14:05.42 | jaami___ | i dont know how o explain the device |
| 14:05.43 | gypsymauro | I've a file system repository with some custom packages I've added a source line like deb file:/myfolder ./ , now the idea is to serve that packages via nginx or apache and let my LAN server to obtiain them through apt, there is an easy way to achieve that? i googled but it seems so complex (gpg, config files and so on) it's better to copy them manully and use the filesystem method? |
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| 14:06.44 | jaami___ | is there any way debian keep internet connection alive by downloading something continuously? |
| 14:06.53 | gaxl | jaami___: it's a cell phone connected by USB basically |
| 14:07.07 | jaami___ | oh ok. |
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| 14:07.39 | jaami___ | yes, you are right because there is SIM in it |
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| 14:08.15 | gaxl | why don't you just stay in chat/IRC so it's always active |
| 14:08.20 | jaami___ | please tell me how to keep the connection alive |
| 14:08.24 | jaami___ | hahaha |
| 14:08.37 | jaami___ | nice, it will work i think |
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| 14:09.18 | jaami___ | but really, i was thinking if there is any very small app or debian itself do the ping to a server |
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| 14:09.34 | jaami___ | oh, i can use ping |
| 14:09.54 | gaxl | if your provider wants to disconnect you when they think you're not active a icmp or udp ping wont help you |
| 14:10.09 | jaami___ | oh |
| 14:10.14 | gaxl | but staying on IRC probably would |
| 14:10.30 | jaami___ | yes, and for ping i have to use terminal with root access |
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| 14:10.46 | jaami___ | yes, i think its better idea |
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| 14:11.06 | gaxl | if I owned a telecom business and someone just keeping udp packets going without any tcp packets, I would not leave them connected |
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| 14:11.22 | jaami___ | ah i see |
| 14:11.43 | jaami___ | cheap companies dissconnect. good companies dont do that |
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| 14:12.05 | gaxl | just one ping at a set interval would look obvious on a graph |
| 14:12.18 | jaami___ | hmm |
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| 14:32.39 | tw | This isn't a debian thing, but it's more likely that the modem just goes to sleep to save power. Cellular wireless devices are very aggressive about power savings. |
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| 14:33.42 | jaami___ | tw yes, its not debian thing. i needed solution to this problem while thinking there will be some way debian can help |
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| 14:35.01 | jelly | how do I send Ctrl-Alt-F2 to windows over xfreerdp? |
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| 14:37.56 | jelly | (I actually have to send it to a vmware VM, but the remote console client is running on a windows system) |
| 14:38.07 | tom_ | why is dbus-daemon using so much cpu? jumping to 40-50% alot. im on testing |
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| 14:38.40 | jelly | testing eh? |
| 14:38.43 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 14:38.43 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:39.25 | aero | Linux |
| 14:39.35 | towo^work | no, debian |
| 14:39.48 | aero | no, windows xp |
| 14:39.54 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:39.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:40.58 | tw | jelly: maybe right-ctrl f2? |
| 14:41.18 | tw | iirc, ctrl-alt is kbd release. |
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| 15:25.16 | tom_ | my issue looks very similar to this https://askubuntu.com/questions/798375/hundreds-of-nameownerchanged-dbus-signals-using-cpu |
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| 15:39.41 | hxmuller | hi, I struggled the past couple days learning to automount an sd card. I solved that, and am curious about mount points. I am familiar with /media/<volume>, but udisks2 automatically mounts to /run/media/$USER/<volume. I also know how to configure it to return to known behavior (/media/<volume>), should I just let it mount to a private unshared directory? |
| 15:41.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i need to stop this suspend from systemd |
| 15:41.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | 2018-03-05T10:36:01.580157-05:00 ephiny systemd-logind[414]: Lid closed. |
| 15:41.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | 2018-03-05T10:36:01.584200-05:00 ephiny kernel: [ 218.047214] i2c i2c-3: i2c write failed |
| 15:41.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | 2018-03-05T10:36:01.583452-05:00 ephiny systemd-logind[414]: Suspending... |
| 15:41.16 | hxmuller | reason I ask is https://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard doesn't show the /run directory, so presumably it's not supposed to be there |
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| 15:42.10 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: You mean you want to stop an ongoing suspend or you want to configure your system to not suspend on lid close? |
| 15:42.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | not to suspend on lid closes |
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| 15:42.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | or just turn off.. |
| 15:42.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | i see a lodngd.conf file i past bin one sec |
| 15:42.53 | babilen | Did you read and follow https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdSuspendSedation already? |
| 15:43.17 | BanHammor | hxmuller, it's not in FHS, but i presume it will be in the next revision, since udev and a bunch of other tools now rely on it. |
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| 15:43.34 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: IIRC there were a couple of locations .. what have you tried so far and what was the outcome? |
| 15:43.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think i changd it n xscreensavr so far |
| 15:44.12 | BanHammor | as for whether to disable it...well, you decide. If you have >1 user on your local machine and need to access FSes that other users mounted, it may be useful to switch to the old behavior |
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| 15:46.45 | hxmuller | BanHammor: thx for the input, that's what I a was trying to confirm, the consequences of one over the other |
| 15:47.40 | BanHammor | the presumption of udisks writers is that allowing users to access other people's flash drives is a security breach |
| 15:48.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh oh i got it was that file woot |
| 15:49.12 | hxmuller | BanHammor: right, so I just have to keep that in mind as I try to access old data on removable media that i created as a different user |
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| 15:49.58 | BanHammor | i mean, if you created that data as a different user, and your flash drive doesn't have Linux access permissions (e.g. FAT, NTFS), you won't notice |
| 15:50.12 | hxmuller | yes, i have a mix |
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| 15:50.33 | hxmuller | it won't matter on the fat|ntfs, but it will on the ext2|3|4 formatted devices |
| 15:50.57 | BanHammor | hell, even if the drive is ext4, whether it mounts on /run/media or /media doesn't matter IIRC |
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| 15:51.58 | BanHammor | root is able to access them all AND is the only user that can chown files |
| 15:55.54 | tw | hxmuller: probably relevant to your interests https://askubuntu.com/a/276670 |
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| 16:01.06 | hxmuller | tw: yes, thanks. I found a version of that on the archlinux wiki prior to asking |
| 16:01.32 | tw | permissions matter for ntfs and any fuse-related filesystem. |
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| 16:03.12 | hxmuller | yes, I know how to deal with that when I bump into it. I'm just going to leave it as udisks2 mounts it, /run/media/$USER/<volume> |
| 16:05.10 | BanHammor | tw: wait, you mean linux respects ntfs permissions? |
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| 16:05.30 | tw | Usually. |
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| 16:05.57 | BanHammor | huh. |
| 16:06.41 | BanHammor | i wouldn't imagine they translate very well, windows doesn't have UIDs |
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| 16:08.57 | tw | More importantly, linux doesn't have user GUID mappings. |
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| 16:15.34 | icarious | Hi. Where can I find the .config used by Debian for its Kernels? Is it uploaded somewhere? I am not looking for the /boot location as I am not on Debian |
| 16:15.54 | icarious | https://kernel.alioth.debian.org/config/ seems like old |
| 16:16.39 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 16:17.56 | BanHammor | icarious, you can extract the deb package with the image and get it that way |
| 16:18.07 | jasperarcola | you can get posix uids and gids in AD if you add the schema but I don't know if ntfs has metadata for them |
| 16:18.09 | icarious | BanHammor: you mean from the usual Debian mirrors |
| 16:18.15 | BanHammor | yes |
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| 16:18.24 | icarious | BanHammor: ok. thanks. how do you extract a .deb btw? |
| 16:18.51 | BanHammor | ar -x |
| 16:19.21 | icarious | BanHammor: ok thanks a ton |
| 16:20.12 | icarious | Btw why doesn't security.debian.org have SSL? There could be a MITM pretty easily for a crucial repo as this. |
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| 16:21.14 | BanHammor | it's not really trivial since it's GPG-signed |
| 16:21.24 | BanHammor | see also: every other Debian repo |
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| 16:24.27 | icarious | BanHammor: apt itself will check for that, but there may be issues with people downloading them individually or while performing a debootstrap installation at which stage GPG may not have been configured |
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| 16:24.51 | BanHammor | that should be a bug in debootstrap then |
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| 16:25.26 | BanHammor | (i don't think security.d.o even gets involved in debootstrap tho) |
| 16:25.45 | icarious | BanHammor: it "should". |
| 16:25.47 | icarious | BanHammor: other repos have SSL. What I was asking was for the same SSL cert to extend to the security.debian.org subdomain, that's all. |
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| 16:26.49 | BanHammor | i'm not a debian maintainer or sysadmin, i can't help you with that. |
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| 16:27.15 | icarious | BanHammor: I know. Just saying. Might file a report |
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| 16:27.49 | icarious | BanHammor: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64_4.9.82-1+deb9u3_amd64.deb is the kernel as used in stretch right? |
| 16:28.30 | capn | https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ |
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| 16:30.37 | memo1 | there is a debian version for servers? |
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| 16:30.44 | memo1 | like the ubuntu for servers? |
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| 16:31.42 | jdlexky | memo1: I usually just netinstall my servers with stable or testing |
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| 16:32.31 | greycat | Debian doesn't have separate "server installs". You just install Debian and then don't select a desktop. |
| 16:32.50 | annadane | though if you select web server in the installer you get apache |
| 16:33.03 | annadane | but yeah |
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| 16:33.12 | greycat | I normally only select the "Standard" package set from the installer, then install whatever I want on top of that myself. |
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| 16:41.37 | stemid | hey some major strange has happened to me after upgrading from wheezy to jessie and I'm not sure where to shoot this so I'll give it a shot here. I use the gammu package and a little socat magic to bind a file to the TCP port of an sms modem. worked fine for many years until the jessie upgrade. now whenever gammu connects to the socket the port closes. as if the sms modem crashes. I have to login to its |
| 16:41.43 | stemid | web ui and reboot it to re-open the port. now I know this should probably be a support case with Lantronix (modem manufacturer) but fact remains that this worked fine on wheezy. so I thought maybe someone else running an sms gateway on debian was here to shine some light. |
| 16:42.25 | stemid | the #gammu channel is dead but I'm checking their mailing list too. |
| 16:44.22 | memo1 | jdlexky: greycat thank you |
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| 16:46.30 | jdlexky | memo1: You are welcome, what I usually would recommend is going with the testing install and install it really lean, so mainly you just have SSH and a server running, no X windows, no apache, no anything, then use tasksel or dselect to install your packages. I like dselect. Before you install anything do an apt-get update, and then apt-get upgrade. You should have a fairly secure lean server at that point |
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| 16:47.35 | memo1 | jdlexky: hi, thank you. I donw know dselect ofr taksel, are like apt-get? |
| 16:48.23 | jdlexky | yes, dselect is just a command line version of an pkg installer, so is tasksel, dselect has a build-in help system |
| 16:48.32 | greycat | dselect is very old. It predates aptitude, synaptic, etc. |
| 16:48.32 | dselect | greycat: are you using Windows? |
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| 16:49.25 | jdlexky | yeah, greycat is right, but I am old too! |
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| 16:50.58 | memo1 | jdlexky: and to install on a usb use: dd if=/... of=/ ...? |
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| 16:55.22 | jdlexky | memo1: no, I just use a usb installer, created with unetbootin |
| 16:55.48 | jdlexky | memo1: just search unetbootin on google, it is pretty much available for any platform |
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| 16:57.56 | jelly | !unetbootin |
| 16:57.56 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 16:59.44 | memo1 | jdlexky: dd is buggy? |
| 16:59.56 | memo1 | jdlexky: because im trying and keeps failing |
| 17:00.05 | jelly | memo1, jdlexky: testing has no security support and may break with upgrades at any time. Please avoid using it on a server (unless you're a seasoned Debian user) |
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| 17:00.35 | memo1 | jelly: i just download 9.3. That is testing?or stable? |
| 17:00.37 | jelly | memo1: what is the exact command you're trying and its complete output? |
| 17:00.43 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:00.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:00.48 | greycat | 9.3 is stable |
| 17:01.05 | jelly | memo1: that's stable, the current release |
| 17:01.18 | memo1 | jelly: dd if=/image.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync |
| 17:02.15 | memo1 | jelly: greycat thank you. |
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| 17:06.21 | BanHammor | and the error? |
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| 17:08.24 | memo1 | BanHammor: debootstrap dpkg: regarding |
| 17:08.45 | memo1 | BanHammor: during instalatioin of base system |
| 17:08.59 | memo1 | BanHammor: Im ckecking the logs |
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| 17:12.27 | memo1 | BanHammor: Base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/debootsrap-gaild |
| 17:12.36 | memo1 | BanHammor: Base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/debootsrap-failed |
| 17:13.11 | BanHammor | !paste |
| 17:13.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:13.25 | memo1 | BanHammor: resolver (libgcc1) pacakge doen't exist |
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| 17:23.20 | areyouloco | yo anyone knows how to fix this issue on decent debian version? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544651 |
| 17:23.21 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/544651 in lvm2 (open): «lvm2: lvm issues warnings about not finding volumes, on a system with LUKS encryption + lvm»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-09-02; last modified: 2016-06-08. |
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| 17:24.25 | areyouloco | it can be reproduced on installations with first encrypted luks partition and then lvm2 on it |
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| 17:24.51 | areyouloco | its cosmetic thing i know but it bothers me each time I boot my pc |
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| 17:28.09 | areyouloco | and second question that bothers me. how do I enable killing X server by ctrl+alt+backspace? |
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| 17:31.51 | jbz6 | you mean you wanna create a command, that would kill xorg with the matching keys ? |
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| 17:33.46 | Yojimbo | areyouloco you set that in your xorg.conf |
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| 17:34.28 | hbautista | areyouloco, I have this same configuration on my new Debian Installation |
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| 17:34.42 | hbautista | First create a Luks Partition, then I configure LVM |
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| 17:36.50 | hbautista | My root partition ( / ) is a a primary partition without Luks, /home, /var and swap are LVM partitions with Luks |
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| 17:38.34 | areyouloco | i found a solution. how to kill X server by ctrl+alt+backspace> -> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration -> and set it there (last prompt) |
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| 17:39.27 | Yojimbo | areyouloco cool. sorry i thought i was in the freebsd channel when i read that heh |
| 17:39.44 | alice|wl | hello, I m on a fresh install done with grmls debootstrap and doing apt install gnome-destop-task. The process hangs after setting up dbus execution systemd-tty-ask. Any idea how to fix that? |
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| 17:46.14 | areyouloco | alice|wl: grml is debian-BASED so it's not supported here |
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| 17:50.19 | n4dir | alice|wl: did you use grml to debootstrap debian, or did you debootstrap grml (not sure if that is even possible) |
| 17:50.42 | alice|wl | n4dir: i used a grml live system to debootstrap debian |
| 17:51.28 | alice|wl | so i have a minimal working debian and want to install gnome |
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| 17:51.51 | n4dir | So the question does belong here. I sure don't know what is the problem, but more info won't hurt (mainly the exact error message). |
| 17:51.58 | greycat | Did you reboot *into* the debian system before trying to install gnome? |
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| 17:53.11 | alice|wl | there is no errormessage. Just some processes dont return. reproducable eg with: systemctl start unattended-upgrades.services. |
| 17:54.03 | alice|wl | also the systemd-tty-ask-password-agent wich is called by apt |
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| 17:54.24 | alice|wl | guess somethings wrong with my console-setup. |
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| 17:56.15 | alice|wl | I rebooted, installed console-setup, ran dpkg-reconfigure console-setup (for bigger fonts) and apt install task-gnome-desktop |
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| 17:59.56 | Elyes | Hi |
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| 18:01.28 | Elyes | will grub2 manage to boot window10 on GPT & legacy bios ? I want to install Debian on a disktop already running win10 on MBR (the PC have only legacy bios). |
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| 18:02.48 | alice|wl | then killed systemctl. to get past the unattended-upgrade ... now about to kill apt |
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| 18:09.33 | c8bitglitch | I am new to linux and coming from the Windows world.. what sort of architecture can i get user management and/or password management in a Linux network? I am looking for a solution that will replace AD. |
| 18:09.48 | jhutchins_wk | Elyes: Yes, grub can load the necessary level of the Windows boot process. You may need to use the Windows disk manager to create space for Debian. |
| 18:09.57 | notadrop | c8bitglitch: for how many users@ |
| 18:09.59 | notadrop | ? |
| 18:10.13 | c8bitglitch | notadrop, 40- 230 maybe |
| 18:10.25 | c8bitglitch | notadrop, all local I should add. |
| 18:10.34 | jhutchins_wk | c8bitglitch: Most networks are turning to AD for management in a mixed environment. You can use LDAP, although most people have problems with it. |
| 18:11.14 | jhutchins_wk | c8bitglitch: The native *nix system is NIS, but it has deficiencies which haven't been worked in due to the interest in LDAP and AD. |
| 18:11.17 | c8bitglitch | jhutchins_wk, so even with Linux you can link it to AD? |
| 18:11.32 | jhutchins_wk | c8bitglitch: Yes. |
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| 18:12.23 | notadrop | This is what I see when I boot... It keeps going on forever... Started Session c(n+1) of user Debian-gdm. // Started User Manager for UID 117 // ... https://i.imgur.com/zqfX85A.jpg |
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| 18:12.31 | c8bitglitch | jhutchins_wk, for a solution would that not require a Windows License and cal count to connect to AD? |
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| 18:12.39 | notadrop | What's going on here? Help, please |
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| 18:13.05 | Elyes | jhutchins_wk: I want to convert the disk to GPT, this way I'll have more partitions (3 premary are already used for win10). |
| 18:13.21 | jhutchins_wk | c8bitglitch: I don't know exactly how it works, but no, it doesn't require Windows licenses for the clients. |
| 18:13.39 | Elyes | and the problem is this pc have only legacy bios |
| 18:13.40 | c8bitglitch | jhutchins_wk, ok... will look into it thanks... |
| 18:13.42 | jhutchins_wk | c8bitglitch: Windows doesn't check for licenses at the network level, that's done at the system level. |
| 18:14.08 | jhutchins_wk | c8bitglitch: Read LOTS about it. It ain't easy, but it can be done. |
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| 18:15.20 | BanHammor | my employer uses AD and kerberos for logins/passwords. |
| 18:16.22 | alkisg | Elyes: windows can't boot with gpt and bios, linux has no problem |
| 18:16.27 | Elyes | I knw that linux will boot properly on GPT even if it is a legacy bios, but windwos will not |
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| 18:16.43 | alkisg | Elyes: you can install windows on one partition; you don't need the 100 mb or the recovery one |
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| 18:17.05 | alkisg | Elyes: in any case, it's a #windows issue, isn't it? |
| 18:17.14 | Elyes | alkisg: win10 is alreadu installed |
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| 18:17.42 | alkisg | Elyes: i mean, what is the linux question? How to convert the disk to gpt, even if windows won't boot? |
| 18:17.42 | greycat | My suggestion would be to *not* convert the disk to GPT. |
| 18:17.43 | Elyes | alkisg: indeed it is a microsoft issue |
| 18:18.09 | alkisg | Elyes: it's possible to merge the 100 mb + C: to one partition even on installed windows; but not related to #debian... |
| 18:18.20 | alkisg | Elyes: or, you can create one extended for all linux needs |
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| 18:19.38 | Elyes | alkisg: extended sounds better solution |
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| 18:20.12 | notadrop | How do I tell Debian to boot to a non-graphical environment? |
| 18:20.22 | notadrop | I just want my TTYs, no display managers. |
| 18:20.28 | jelly | !nodm |
| 18:20.28 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
| 18:20.52 | Elyes | thank you |
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| 18:23.18 | notadrop | jelly: is there some way to set a runlevel from the bootloader? |
| 18:23.43 | greycat | notadrop: add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" to the GRUB parameters |
| 18:25.08 | notadrop | greycat: thank you |
| 18:25.23 | greycat | The factoid is already too long to add that :( |
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| 18:27.03 | greycat | Also someone once told me that you can actually use the old Red Hat runlevel numbers, e.g. "3" instead of "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" but I have never tried it. |
| 18:27.08 | notadrop | Which logs would I check to see if somebody has logged into a system remotely? |
| 18:27.15 | greycat | notadrop: "who", "last" |
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| 18:28.23 | notadrop | thanka |
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| 18:28.48 | notadrop | Does the Debian live image have gparted? |
| 18:28.56 | notadrop | I can't stand using anything else |
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| 18:29.48 | notadrop | Not sure why the GNOME "disks" program replaced it tbh |
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| 18:37.37 | alice|wl | after another reboot apt --fix-broken was able to fix the situation. |
| 18:37.48 | greycat | yay! |
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| 18:39.48 | alice|wl | Now gnome starts and a bit later stops. Screens says power down and it reboots. Tried 3 times then figured power is low %) |
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| 18:41.07 | evaluate | Hello. |
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| 18:42.47 | evaluate | For some clients that we manage, we have created a metapackage which depends on the critical packages on the system that we need for everything to work perfectly within our environment. Some people deinstall this package which leads to various issues, so I would like to either prevent deinstallation (not sure if this is possible) or show some warning when the package is being deinstalled, with an option for the user to abort the dei |
| 18:43.32 | greycat | you could... set the priority to Essential? |
| 18:44.01 | greycat | err, "Essential: yes" and "Priority: required" is what bash shows |
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| 18:44.28 | evaluate | And this would prevent the user from being able to deinstall the package? |
| 18:45.09 | greycat | It would require an additional confirmation or --force or something. |
| 18:45.34 | evaluate | I see. |
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| 18:45.43 | evaluate | Ok, I'll try that out. Thanks a lot! |
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| 18:49.55 | MarkusA380 | Hi, I need some help with my Raspbian. I have no idea where to ask this, and StackOverflow wouldn't help either. |
| 18:50.07 | nkuttler | !raspbian |
| 18:50.08 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 18:50.10 | jhutchins_wk | !raspian |
| 18:50.10 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 18:50.21 | nkuttler | wins |
| 18:50.25 | MarkusA380 | ok thx |
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| 18:50.37 | jhutchins_wk | MarkusA380: The little differences between the two can really get you. |
| 18:50.58 | jhutchins_wk | tips his hat to nkuttler |
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| 18:56.05 | ArenZor | Hey_ |
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| 18:56.29 | ArenZor | http://notamax.be/archlinux-guide-installation-sur-uefi/ |
| 18:56.43 | ArenZor | What do u think about this french tutorial for install arch? |
| 18:56.46 | ArenZor | Is it good? |
| 18:56.52 | somiaj | why are you asking in #debian? |
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| 18:57.15 | ArenZor | Cause I don't find the arch irc haha |
| 18:57.18 | ArenZor | sorry |
| 18:57.37 | jhutchins_wk | !arch |
| 18:57.37 | dpkg | i guess arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 18:57.54 | jhutchins_wk | Sorry, |
| 18:57.57 | jhutchins_wk | !arch linux |
| 18:57.57 | dpkg | Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. http://www.archlinux.org/ #archlinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:58.16 | ArenZor | Ok ok, thank's u all |
| 18:58.28 | ArenZor | Nice too see they are always guys like u to help haha |
| 18:58.43 | jhutchins_wk | ArenZor: A useful trick: /msg alis list arch* |
| 18:58.54 | ArenZor | +1 |
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| 19:00.05 | NitrousPG | turns out the best way to optimize i686 all along was to just remove it entirely in favor of x86_64 |
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| 19:01.43 | annadane | i was going to say before they left, "just follow the wiki" |
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| 19:06.48 | annadane | though arch used to have a beginner guide which has subsequently been removed |
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| 19:20.24 | nkuttler | hrm, is there some python 3.6 backport for stretch? |
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| 19:20.43 | greycat | ,v python3 |
| 19:20.44 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4-1; sid: 3.6.4-1 |
| 19:20.52 | greycat | apparently not |
| 19:21.15 | nkuttler | yeah.. i guess i'll containerize it.. |
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| 19:26.24 | lunario | which other ways are there to get more console fonts for the debian tty except adding psf.gz files to /usr/share/consolefonts? I would like to have more fonts available because I almost only work in the virtual console... |
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| 19:34.09 | jhutchins_wk | lunario: By "virtual console", do you mean the tty's, or a terminal emulator under a GUI? |
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| 19:35.54 | lunario | jhutchins_wk: i mean ttys, not terminal emulators in GUIs |
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| 19:37.00 | greycat | He did say both "debian tty" and "virtual console" in the initial question |
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| 19:37.21 | jhutchins_wk | lunario: Without specific knowledge that either you add the files manually or find a package that adds them. |
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| 19:38.49 | ealfonso | how can I run 'dhclient -v usb0' on the debian installer boot prompt, to get internet connection and be able to fetch a preseed file? |
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| 19:40.37 | lunario | jhutchins_wk: they can be changes with setfont, and I also changed them manually already. the problem is finding psf fonts in the correct format. some years ago I used slackware and it had LOTS of different fonts to choose during the installation process, and I find it hard to imagine that those were available in a 6 year old slackware release but not available for modern debian |
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| 19:43.33 | jhutchins_wk | lunario: They may never have been packaged for Debian. I think the answer is to either scavenge other distros or get yourself a conversion utility. |
| 19:43.53 | jhutchins_wk | lunario: I used to be really into fonts and had hundreds of them, but that was on Windows. |
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| 19:46.23 | lunario | jhutchins_wk: yeah, I will check the old slackware packages first i guess. thanks. as for fonts, i almost only work in ttys with tmux so I don't want to put too much strain on my eyes on the long term, that's the only eyecandy I allow myself ;) |
| 19:46.37 | teamcoltra | I am having a weird problem when starting mariadb... |
| 19:46.45 | teamcoltra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:47.13 | teamcoltra | sorry wrong error: " mariadb.service: Failed at step USER spawning /usr/bin/install: No such process" (same thing but this seems more detailed) |
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| 19:49.28 | ealfonso | how do I run 'auto url=....' from the 'execute a shell' prompt? I'm getting 'auto: not found' |
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| 19:50.26 | ealfonso | how can I get the boot prompt after entering the installer? |
| 19:50.45 | greycat | You mean go *back* to GRUB? Reboot. |
| 19:51.02 | ealfonso | debian installer boot prompt |
| 19:51.20 | greycat | After GRUB but still a one-time thing. Still reboot. |
| 19:51.48 | greycat | Or maybe it's "instead of GRUB". I don't know the really low level stuff very well. |
| 19:52.06 | ealfonso | I'm booting off a USB. I used the GUI to obtain an IP address via DHCP. Now I need to run the installer in 'auto' mode. |
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| 19:53.08 | jhutchins_wk | teamcoltra: What have you done so far? |
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| 19:53.49 | m3rlin | ealfonso, try auto-hotplug |
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| 19:54.35 | m3rlin | ealfonso, i mean allow-hotplug |
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| 19:55.45 | ealfonso | so I can obtain an IP address from the boot prompt? "loading allow-hotplug... failed: not such file or directory" |
| 19:56.03 | m3rlin | elfonso, try debian looking documentation https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_syntax_of_etc_network_interfaces |
| 19:56.29 | teamcoltra | jhutchins_wk, I hadn't done anything. On a whim I purged and reinstalled and that fixed it |
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| 19:57.51 | ealfonso | m3rlin that 'auto' has nothing to do with the auto I'm referring to, which is in the context of the debian installer boot prompt |
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| 19:58.34 | jhutchins_wk | teamcoltra: Well, as long as it's working, good. |
| 19:59.34 | jhutchins_wk | ealfonso: It's not really clear what you're doing, but if you're doing a net install you should get prompted to set up the net interface if it doesn't get dhcp. |
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| 20:01.29 | m3rlin | ealfonso, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole or https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en |
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| 20:12.14 | fearnothing | hi guys |
| 20:12.28 | fearnothing | I'm having an issue getting my server to mount a network share without NetBIOS |
| 20:12.32 | fearnothing | CIFS obviously |
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| 20:12.42 | m3rlin | hi fearnothing |
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| 20:12.46 | fearnothing | it's producing the same error given here, but the solution shown doesn't work for me: https://serverfault.com/questions/609365/cifs-mount-in-fstab-succeeds-on-ip-fails-on-hostname-written-in-etc-hosts |
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| 20:13.20 | fearnothing | it does not appear to be doing a DNS lookup when I try to mount |
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| 20:16.53 | m3rlin | fearnothing, are smbclient pkgs installed? |
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| 20:18.19 | fearnothing | yes |
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| 20:19.01 | jhutchins_wk | fearnothing: I believe that the "hosts" source needs to be "files". |
| 20:19.38 | m3rlin | try access ip address on file manager bar, ex: smb://youripaddress |
| 20:19.55 | fearnothing | CLI only |
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| 20:22.21 | fearnothing | if I try 'smbclient -L <hostname>', 0 traffic including DNS lookups |
| 20:22.31 | fearnothing | if I try 'smbclient -L <ip address>', I get traffic |
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| 20:23.55 | jhutchins_wk | fearnothing: The explanation in the post you linked is correct - it's not looking at DNS or the Hosts file. |
| 20:24.32 | jhutchins_wk | fearnothing: Haven't worked with CIFS for a while, but you could see if there's something in /etc/nsswitch for samba. |
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| 20:26.29 | Tenkawa | wins |
| 20:27.03 | Tenkawa | needs to go in the nsswitch.conf line |
| 20:27.12 | Tenkawa | for hosts |
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| 20:27.50 | ealfonso | jhutchins_wk m3rlin not sure why you guys apparently had no idea what I was talking about, I did state I was trying to preseed a debian installation and was not sure how to get an IP address via DHCP from a non-standard network interface in order to be able to download the preseed file from the installer. I was able to do it by typing "auto google.com" at the boot prompt (which should have been inaccessible at that time), this caused |
| 20:27.50 | ealfonso | the installer to visually prompt me to configure the network, including selecting the interface for DHCP, then visually prompt me for the preseed URL. I was using usb tethering, not the standard eth0 link, so I manually had to chose a different interface |
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| 20:29.33 | Tenkawa | fearnothing: let me know if that helpd |
| 20:29.37 | Tenkawa | er helps |
| 20:30.12 | m3rlin | brb |
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| 20:30.35 | ealfonso | but now apparently 'installation step failed' on 'select and install software' |
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| 20:34.40 | fearnothing | Tenkawa: found the problem |
| 20:34.48 | Tenkawa | fearnothing: oh ok |
| 20:34.54 | fearnothing | the solution was to install cifs-utils :( |
| 20:35.00 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 20:35.03 | fearnothing | I'm rebuilding a box, and forgot that package |
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| 20:35.40 | fearnothing | thanks for the effort though :) |
| 20:35.44 | Tenkawa | it happens heheh |
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| 20:36.12 | Tenkawa | np |
| 20:36.35 | Tenkawa | I'm just trying to work on getting a box built over here too |
| 20:36.56 | Tenkawa | more playing the waiting game |
| 20:37.12 | Tenkawa | slow microsd card and a lot of updates |
| 20:38.55 | ealfonso | looking at logs, the problem was an "expect" package in "d-i pkgsel/include string ... expect", which couldn't be found. not sure how to change the option dynamically without restarting the installation |
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| 20:40.43 | jhutchins_wk | ealfonso: The installer is one of the least used apps for most users because we tend to run it once when we get new hardware and then just do upgraddes from there. |
| 20:41.04 | jhutchins_wk | !preseed |
| 20:41.05 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 20:43.48 | ealfonso | tried to use 'debconf-set' from a shell to clear the value of pgksel/include, but it keeps getting re-seeded |
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| 21:08.36 | simbalion | When I do an apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 it looks like it has not been updated yet to the version patched for https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5715, but it's been several days. Are we waiting for something? 5753 perhaps? |
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| 21:14.50 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: do you not have a security.debian.org sources.list entry? |
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| 21:16.23 | simbalion | dondelelcaro: I do |
| 21:16.50 | simbalion | dondelelcaro: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:16.56 | RoyK | simbalion: on which kernel are you running now? |
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| 21:17.48 | simbalion | RoyK: thats irrelevant |
| 21:17.57 | simbalion | Here is the output of apt-cache policy, I just did an update: https://hastebin.com/raw/ufizunanom |
| 21:18.37 | simbalion | and the patched version in the security tracker is: 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 |
| 21:19.06 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: yes, but that's linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 |
| 21:19.21 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: which has a different version than the metapackage |
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| 21:20.03 | simbalion | So you're telling me that linux-image-amd64 is outdated |
| 21:20.06 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: no |
| 21:20.17 | RoyK | simbalion: it is relevant, since a few newer kernels in the repos aren't updated as often as those initially shipped with the distro |
| 21:20.34 | simbalion | So linux-image-amd64 has the patch for 5715? |
| 21:20.43 | simbalion | this is very confusing. |
| 21:20.44 | RoyK | iirc that's a metapackage |
| 21:20.51 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: no. linux-image-amd64 is just a package which depends on the current version of the linux kernel |
| 21:21.11 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: so it only gets updated when the name of the kernel package changes |
| 21:21.21 | dondelelcaro | (which happens when the kernel abi changes) |
| 21:22.19 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: so the actual package which contains the kernel in this case is linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 |
| 21:22.34 | dondelelcaro | ,kernel versions |
| 21:22.35 | judd | (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 21:22.42 | dondelelcaro | ,kernel |
| 21:22.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 21:22.44 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3) |
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| 21:23.36 | simbalion | dondelelcaro: I understand that |
| 21:23.39 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: OK |
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| 21:24.18 | simbalion | so if uname reports 4.9.0-6-amd64 that includes the 5715 patch? |
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| 21:25.25 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: and you've got 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 installed, yeah. |
| 21:25.35 | dondelelcaro | can't remember if the kernel name changed between u2 and u3 |
| 21:25.58 | greycat | u3 only has powerpc changes anyway |
| 21:26.01 | simbalion | but if the kernel name doesnt change, how does one know if it's patched or not? Other than running updates every night which I am doing anyway |
| 21:26.24 | simbalion | I really appreciate the help by the way |
| 21:28.07 | dondelelcaro | simbalion: I thought uname -a; would also report the Debian version string (or at least, it does here) |
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| 21:28.29 | simbalion | ah it sure does |
| 21:28.32 | simbalion | I was using uname -ir |
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| 21:28.39 | simbalion | honestly I have no idea how uname works I've never read the manpage |
| 21:28.42 | simbalion | my fault :) |
| 21:28.45 | dondelelcaro | no worries |
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| 21:29.53 | dondelelcaro | the kernel package *is* one of the more complicated packages that we distribute |
| 21:30.10 | dondelelcaro | I think only GCC does more complicated per-architecture stuff |
| 21:30.13 | simbalion | well the meta-package makes it so much easier |
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| 21:30.43 | simbalion | I grew up compiling my own kernels in bsd and slackware so this is like mana from heaven frankly. |
| 21:30.43 | dondelelcaro | yeah; the meta-package's job is just to make sure you've always got the most recent one (and so you can have different kernel versions co-installed) |
| 21:31.06 | dondelelcaro | heh; I used to compile my own too... no time for that anymore |
| 21:31.12 | simbalion | yep |
| 21:31.31 | simbalion | and I've got to keep dozens of servers updated with security patches, meltdown would have been a real nightmare in the 1990s |
| 21:31.59 | simbalion | you guys make this stuff fun |
| 21:32.02 | simbalion | Thanks again |
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| 21:39.14 | commanderkeen | hello. i have dual monitors that are currently being mirrored. i want extended not mirroring. however when I view the output of xrandr (or arandr) it only shows one screen. any ideas? |
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| 21:50.16 | stemid | hey anyone know why gammu command would work to send text messages but gammu-smsd using the same config wouldn't? using this config https://bpaste.net/show/7e5be6f552e4 and getting this error https://bpaste.net/show/27b636ed4a51 on stretch. |
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| 21:57.03 | stemid | lol nvm. of course caused by pebkac. when I was testing I accidentally added a text message to the queue without the +46 in the number. so smsd kept trying to send that one before the others. |
| 21:57.09 | stemid | once that was deleted it sent all the rest. |
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| 22:08.03 | simbalion | yay all patched. |
| 22:08.27 | simbalion | I think my weechat uptime exceeds some major internet servers |
| 22:08.37 | simbalion | sad to reboot it |
| 22:09.21 | commanderkeen | live kernel patching |
| 22:09.31 | simbalion | is that possible? |
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| 22:10.37 | commanderkeen | i havent tried it but it's supposed to be possible |
| 22:10.48 | commanderkeen | i've been meaning to check it out |
| 22:10.57 | JPT | Several enterprise distributions seem to offer it |
| 22:11.18 | JPT | However - it's not a bad idea to do regular reboots to make sure all of your updates went through |
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| 22:11.43 | DerLGm | commanderkeen: its possible but not recommended because installs might not always work right |
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| 22:13.40 | commanderkeen | im sure. i just wanted to check it out |
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| 22:14.57 | memo1 | hi, im trying to install debain (netinstall) using an USB. But it keeps failing. Im trying to install the debian 9. |
| 22:15.34 | Brigo | memo1, do it boot at least? |
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| 22:16.35 | memo1 | Brigo: Yes, i use the graphincal install. But durint the system base always fails |
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| 22:18.54 | Brigo | memo1, are you sure you have enought space ? |
| 22:19.29 | memo1 | Brigo: 35GBytes |
| 22:19.46 | memo1 | Brigo: 32Gbytes M2 disk |
| 22:20.01 | memo1 | Brigo: Before it have installed windows xp |
| 22:20.37 | Brigo | have you checked the partitons? anyway, what is the error message when it fails? |
| 22:20.53 | memo1 | Brigo: im trying again to show you |
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| 22:21.55 | memo1 | Brigo: Install base system error |
| 22:22.47 | memo1 | Brigo: Warnirn: failure tryin to ru chroot /target dpkg --fordepends -install /var/cache/apt/archive/perl... is like random, now is failing to install perl |
| 22:22.55 | Brigo | memo1, not enught i think there is an availabe console, maybe if you press cntrl+alt+F1 |
| 22:22.58 | badboyjer | dita ita |
| 22:23.04 | memo1 | Brigo: yes |
| 22:23.21 | memo1 | Brigo: whay command can i use |
| 22:23.39 | Brigo | is not any error already in that screen? |
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| 22:24.06 | memo1 | Brigo: Package libgcc1 is not installed |
| 22:24.54 | Brigo | that are just normal warnings, not errors. |
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| 22:25.45 | memo1 | Brigo: then installed base system failed |
| 22:26.28 | memo1 | Brigo: Base system installation error, the debootrap progam exited with an error (return value 1) |
| 22:26.32 | Brigo | random fails use to point to hardware problems. |
| 22:26.47 | memo1 | Brigo: so, i cant install the base system |
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| 22:27.07 | Brigo | we need to know what that error was. |
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| 22:27.34 | memo1 | Brigo: how can i share the error |
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| 22:27.53 | memo1 | Brigo: is on other computer |
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| 22:28.42 | Brigo | taking a picture with you movil? |
| 22:29.03 | memo1 | Brigo: and how i sent you here? |
| 22:30.30 | Brigo | memo1, you can try http://picpasteplus.com/ or something like this. |
| 22:33.28 | memo1 | Brigo: https://www.picpasteplus.com/view.php?i=ppijbjapv4ljd47jh4hp04v4.jpg |
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| 22:33.58 | Brigo | memo1, it says image does not exist. |
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| 22:37.40 | memo1 | Brigo: https://www.picpasteplus.com/view.php?i=f4j47p74o4jjx4x4j4i4d4h3.jpg |
| 22:37.54 | memo1 | Brigo: https://www.picpasteplus.com/view.php?i=qpp47pa4djj4qpx4j434kjh9.jpg |
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| 22:38.22 | Brigo | memo1, there is no image there neither. |
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| 22:40.21 | memo1 | Brigo: :( |
| 22:40.38 | Brigo | memo1, try other sevice. |
| 22:41.50 | memo1 | Brigo: https://pasteboard.co/HayqqKK.jpg |
| 22:42.21 | memo1 | Brigo: https://pasteboard.co/HayqG6u.jpg |
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| 22:42.50 | memo1 | Brigo: https://pasteboard.co/HayqSzm.jpg |
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| 22:43.05 | Brigo | memo1, now we are talking :) |
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| 22:44.04 | SpeakerToMeat | Hi all |
| 22:44.16 | Brigo | memo1, the pictures about the graphic install are useless, the first one have no error that i can make sense. i need early messages. |
| 22:44.45 | Brigo | memo1, if you know how to use an editor like vim or joe, use it with /var/log/syslog |
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| 22:45.54 | SpeakerToMeat | How do I choose the version/repo when doing apt-get source |
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| 22:46.57 | Brigo | SpeakerToMeat, -t, --target-release, --default-release (from man apt-get) |
| 22:47.54 | SpeakerToMeat | thanks |
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| 22:49.20 | memo1 | Brigo: https://pasteboard.co/Haytvly.jpg and this one? |
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| 22:50.43 | themill | SpeakerToMeat: using the $package=$version syntax can be more effective (it depends on which version of apt) |
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| 22:51.14 | SpeakerToMeat | Urg.... what has the name of the dh tool that helps update the changelog on a package |
| 22:51.20 | themill | dch |
| 22:51.29 | SpeakerToMeat | ah dch not dhc... thanks |
| 22:51.38 | themill | aka debchange |
| 22:51.43 | Brigo | memo1, that's the error but it's weird. lzma error decompresing an archive. |
| 22:51.44 | memo1 | Brigo: https://pasteboard.co/Hayuuou.jpg |
| 22:52.33 | memo1 | Brigo: It can be something relate it with my hardware?, im using a minicomputer, with m2 disk, core i5. |
| 22:52.34 | Brigo | memo1, could you check the drive space with df -h? |
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| 22:53.01 | Brigo | memo1, yes, it could be. |
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| 22:54.05 | memo1 | Brigo: https://pasteboard.co/Hayvrw2.jpg |
| 22:54.47 | xormor | it is actually none of my business what people do. |
| 22:54.54 | xormor | it is my business what I do. |
| 22:55.13 | Brigo | memo1, that's fine. |
| 22:55.45 | xormor | it is my business if I use GNU/Linux, but if others do or do not, it is not of much importance to me. Of course if someone asks me to install Debian for them, I can do it. |
| 22:55.47 | memo1 | Brigo: Same happens with lubutu and ubuntu-server |
| 22:56.15 | memo1 | Brigo: failed during base system installation |
| 22:56.25 | SpeakerToMeat | Is there a DH for renaming a package? |
| 22:56.36 | Brigo | memo1, then i would check thoroughtly my hardware. |
| 22:56.40 | Brigo | stating with memtest |
| 22:56.56 | memo1 | Brigo: any ideas?, a bios setup? |
| 22:57.04 | memo1 | Brigo: |
| 22:57.06 | Brigo | i think netinstall has it in advanced or so. |
| 22:57.08 | memo1 | Brigo: ok |
| 22:57.26 | themill | SpeakerToMeat: renaming a package? |
| 22:57.44 | Brigo | DH? |
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| 23:00.30 | memo1 | Brigo: what is DH? |
| 23:00.32 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: I want to avoid upstream updating my changed package, as I see it I could do a few things, one is to increase the version a major or so artifitially, in stable this shouldn't get overwritten, another is to use apt.kar hold on the package na dpray, I wonder if there's any way compatible with debian version format and dch of saying "this is version 2.1-deb9-mine", and the last is to rename the package |
| 23:00.34 | SpeakerToMeat | to package-mine but this would mean changing control, changelog, etc |
| 23:00.52 | Brigo | memo1, i was wondering about a message from SpeakerToMeat |
| 23:00.58 | SpeakerToMeat | Brigo: DebHelper |
| 23:01.31 | memo1 | Brigo: im learning. Irc is great. What is SpeakerToMeat? |
| 23:01.54 | themill | SpeakerToMeat: renaming the package means dependencies would not be satisfied; possibly not what you want. hold or pinning is better for this |
| 23:01.56 | Brigo | memo1, another user (i hope) writing now in this channel. |
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| 23:02.40 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: And I should trust apt-mark to be enough for hold? |
| 23:03.00 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: thanks, I'll do sio |
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| 23:04.48 | SpeakerToMeat | so |
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| 23:12.00 | nezZario | Okay. So accidentally did a hard power off, and now i cant boot into graphical. That terminal on 'F7', gets to a certain point,, and just sits there and blinks. I'm running lightdm and xfce, never had an issue before |
| 23:12.27 | nezZario | I unplugged all non essential hardware just to see and that's a no go |
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| 23:14.46 | tw3k | nezZario: perhaps drop into shell and run fsck? |
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| 23:15.42 | RoyK | or boot on a usb thing and check if the root drive is still there |
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| 23:16.45 | nezZario | No thats what's weird, i can login to another terminal fine.. I just don't know where to even begin... I sont see anything out of the ordinary in the logs |
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| 23:27.24 | tomreyn | force fsck on non-write-mounted file systems (mount rw to ro where needed), check dmesg -T, check smart, do a short or long self-test |
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| 23:31.43 | in1t3r_ | hello debianers :) |
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| 23:32.13 | nezZario | I'm booted. Looks like an xorg failure. Guess I got a little data loss? I'll try a fsck. But xorg'slog sats something about AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 23:32.16 | memo1 | Brigo: noob queestion. Regarding my problem, my system have 4G ram, and the automated installer set swap to 4GBytes. That can be the problem? |
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| 23:32.38 | nezZario | Why would that be a problem? |
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| 23:33.04 | nezZario | I'm on mobile excuse my typing skills |
| 23:34.07 | memo1 | nezZario: just wondering. I cant install a debian system using usb. Im checking ram and hardisk for hardware problems |
| 23:34.42 | sevagh | hello. we have an internal mirror of the squeeze upstream repository - today we got a KEYEXPIRED error when using pbuilder. now, i'm not great with debian so i'm maybe not phrasing the question very well, but is today an expected date for the squeeze repo key to change, or for it to be deprecated, or something? |
| 23:34.49 | sevagh | (we have a handful of legacy squeeze boxes) |
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| 23:36.56 | nezZario | I thought you could always just remount r/o using - o remount,ro.. Getting / is busy. Anyway to force? |
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| 23:38.47 | in1t3r | it is the debian LTS and debian LTs is 5 years |
| 23:38.55 | in1t3r | Which have passed as I recall. |
| 23:39.07 | in1t3r | YOu could search for the debian LTS |
| 23:39.33 | somiaj | sevagh: have you pointed your boxes to archive.debian.org? |
| 23:39.37 | sevagh | any workaround ideas? |
| 23:39.49 | mnuhmnuh | nezZario: any chance another user/process is still reading from/writing to it? -o remount ... should work otherwise. |
| 23:39.53 | somiaj | and are you still getting key expired using archive.debian.org? |
| 23:39.56 | in1t3r | Debian as the project originally do not support anything more then oldstable which is now jessie. And before it there are more Wheezy and only then squeeze |
| 23:40.13 | sevagh | i will check that, thanks somiaj |
| 23:40.17 | Brigo | memo1, no, the system try to use as much ram as it can, but it will adapt to any changes in needs. |
| 23:40.24 | in1t3r | yes archive.debian.org is only way for so old boxes |
| 23:40.50 | somiaj | do not support is different than providing the old sources, debian has always proided the old sources, so it might be that due to squeeze-lts, you just got use to getting the sources from a trusted mirror and now enough time has passed you need to switch to archive.debian.org |
| 23:41.09 | mnuhmnuh | nezZario: lsof? |
| 23:41.10 | sevagh | that makes sense. let me try pointing our mirrors to archive.debian.org |
| 23:41.15 | in1t3r | I would recommend doing an update to wheezy and then stretch. Or if you can afford do a fresh install of the stretch |
| 23:41.49 | in1t3r | Of course save a list of installed packages and install it again I mean some of them not old libraries or depreceated |
| 23:41.51 | sevagh | yeah we're trying hard to deprecate our last handful of squeeze boxes (majority of them are stretch right now) |
| 23:42.06 | somiaj | memo1: swap is usually set equal to ram so you can hibernate. With 4gigs of ram, unless you are hibernating (or actually using 6+ gigs) that amount of swap is overkill, but defaults are usualyl swap=meoery. |
| 23:42.09 | sevagh | but there's always 5-10 "so important you can't decomssion them!" boxes in the back somewhere... |
| 23:42.31 | somiaj | in1t3r: you skipped jessie in that upgrade. |
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| 23:42.45 | in1t3r | Oh damn I forgot that too |
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| 23:43.03 | in1t3r | Yeah squeeze was in 2011 2010 |
| 23:43.06 | mnuhmnuh | sevagh: so important they should be mirrored? |
| 23:43.20 | somiaj | though squeeze-lts was supported for quite some time, though it has been a few years on that. |
| 23:43.24 | somiaj | !squeeze-lts |
| 23:43.24 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». |
| 23:43.43 | in1t3r | Yeah sorry my error I know that there is an archive I meant that there is no support in a way of updates or any security updates |
| 23:43.53 | in1t3r | Which do not exist for anything but old stable |
| 23:44.15 | in1t3r | And since raphael and group started doing LTS also for the lts I mean oldoldstable |
| 23:44.30 | somiaj | sevagh: if the archive.debian.org (make sure .org and not .net) is giving you the key expiered error, you may want to contact some admin of the archive or mailing list. The keys should at least be updated for people who want packages from the archive. |
| 23:44.47 | in1t3r | which is of course invalid codename I mean oldoldstable grandpastable :) |
| 23:44.51 | somiaj | in1t3r: lts has security support these days, so currently oldoldstable is also getting support. |
| 23:45.21 | somiaj | though limited, which mostly means server side software on x86 and maybe arm, but no desktop software or other arches. |
| 23:45.49 | in1t3r | I know and I know the group which do that too. :) raphaelhertzog and others |
| 23:45.52 | nezZario | I'm pretty screwed here... |
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| 23:46.28 | mtn | nezZario: did you try booting with nomodeset? |
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| 23:48.04 | in1t3r | I do actually "maintain" I mean not that much active anymore debian community of 50000 users on google plus where I'm owner of the same. Its strange being an owner of the for a long time only really free distribution which allowed you to choice. nowdays with systemd and some other unifications in linux waters its less about choice but anyway still one of the best distros beside Gentoo. |
| 23:48.47 | in1t3r | We want offtopic so I will keep on topic. |
| 23:50.10 | in1t3r | swap == memory is actually normal except in use case where you use swap a lot and want swap to be saved to swap too beside full ram on suspend |
| 23:51.07 | in1t3r | nowdays there are some the reducing and compressing techniques in kernel which should reduce the swap size for pages. |
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| 23:51.56 | in1t3r | Also there is something that is still not in the mainline kernel and I guess will not be in recent years or maybe ever as it conflicted for a while with a zswap and its far ore useful then zswap. |
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| 23:53.13 | in1t3r | It is the UKSM Ultra KSM page merging which merges all of the pages that are basically the same and replaces them in memory with only pointer to region in memory where one of the instances of that page is stored. Useful for low ram systems. |
| 23:53.37 | in1t3r | it is inside of the pf-kernel as one of the patches. |
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| 23:54.58 | nezZario | What is 'nomodeset'? I've booted into single user modr. I can boot and login to the machine's shell fine. But the tty (I believe thats the proper term) that would normally show lightdm and then launch the wm.. It just sits thrre and blinks a cursor. But I can get into the system via pressing alt+F1 and switcging tty. However, I just noticed that for whatever whacky dacky reason, my usb wifi is totally missing |
| 23:54.58 | nezZario | from iwconfig as well. So I can't even reach the net in somvein attempt to reinstall some stuff |
| 23:55.54 | mtn | nezZario: add nomodeset to the kernel line in the grub menu. it sounds like you have a video driver problem |
| 23:55.56 | in1t3r | nomodeset is parameter passed to kernel that tell to kernel to not use the kms |
| 23:56.39 | nezZario | I'll sure give it a shot! |
| 23:57.22 | in1t3r | It is basically needed for larger resolutions on a framebuffer fr example like higher reolution on your console on alt+ctrl+f3 |
| 23:58.05 | in1t3r | kms == kernel mode setting |
| 23:58.22 | in1t3r | option for a graphical driver and framebuffer |
| 23:58.26 | nezZario | When you say the kernel line I assume you meant the 'linux....' one? |
| 23:58.38 | in1t3r | yes not initrd |
| 23:58.58 | in1t3r | the best way is to edit grub |
| 23:59.02 | awal1 | nezZario, that means edit /etc/default/grub file and at that to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line for normal boot, or to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX for all modes, such as recovery one |
| 23:59.06 | in1t3r | I mean /etc/default/grub |
| 23:59.08 | mtn | nezZario: yes, add it to the end of the line |
| 23:59.37 | mtn | nezZario: http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu |
