| 00:00.10 | mnuhmnuh | nezZario: suspect single user mode doesn't bother setting up networking. your job, if it's needed. |
| 00:00.12 | in1t3r | also for single boot option is easier to do |
| 00:00.32 | mtn | nezZario: don't edit files, just use the grub menu to test it |
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| 00:01.20 | in1t3r | I mean for not permanent change just when grub shows up press e and then go on linux line and after other parameters add nomodeset and press ctrl+x to boot |
| 00:01.44 | in1t3r | I wrote you how to edit the grub menu |
| 00:01.49 | nezZario | I'm aware, let me try it in combination with single user |
| 00:02.15 | mnuhmnuh | netone or t'other. |
| 00:02.33 | mnuhmnuh | nezZario: or t'other. |
| 00:02.45 | in1t3r | Yes if you boot in single user ode you will need to systemctl all of the needed services as it boots onbly few processes no network |
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| 00:03.29 | in1t3r | if you get stack this is how to configure ip if you are using ethernet |
| 00:04.14 | in1t3r | ip addr add $IPADDRESS/$SUBNET dev eth0 |
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| 00:04.32 | nezZario | I can normally setup networking on my own, but earlier it wasnt rvem showing tjr device in iwconfug or ifconfig |
| 00:04.53 | in1t3r | ip route add default $IPADDRESS via $GATEWAYADDRESS |
| 00:05.38 | in1t3r | The $ signa re variables this is the way to setup the networking without ifconfig which is deprecated and with ip tools |
| 00:05.58 | in1t3r | Also there for ip addr can be broadcast field but its ot needed for basic setup. |
| 00:06.33 | in1t3r | And if you have wpa2 secured network then from cli if you dont have networkmanager or wicd you would need to use iw tool |
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| 00:54.16 | majest1c | What desktop environment do you guys like the most? I dont know which one to go with on my laptop |
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| 00:54.36 | majest1c | I was thinking gnome or xfce |
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| 00:55.05 | tw3k | compiz but I'm not so sure it's a desktop |
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| 00:56.18 | wpostma | I just hit the lovely bug in Plasma/KDE in Stretch that was everywhere three years ago while Ubuntu was on this version. Black screen and mouse pointer. Seems sddm or something just goes dumb. Have to zap your .cache and .configs. |
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| 00:58.42 | majest1c | maybe ubuntu is nicer for gui |
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| 00:59.26 | mnuhmnuh | majest1c: mate (fork of gnome 2) works not badly. worth trying. |
| 01:00.12 | tw3k | haven't tried ubuntu in years. didn't they try the wayland thing? |
| 01:01.03 | wpostma | well who cares about nicer. What's sad is that the real meaning of "stable" in debian is "really old bugs". |
| 01:01.25 | wpostma | xfce4 seems usable, if vanilla, in Stretch, anyways. Plasma 5.8 LTS is a heap of rubbish. |
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| 01:02.00 | wpostma | 2018, the year of the Invisible Linux Desktop. ;-) |
| 01:02.15 | tw3k | i've been happy with the default gnome. took a little getting used to |
| 01:02.26 | tw3k | right, lol |
| 01:02.32 | majest1c | I think I will go with gnome, seems like many are using it |
| 01:02.41 | wpostma | I'm contemplating building something from sources. The default Gnome is pretty good. +1 for that idea. |
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| 01:03.25 | wpostma | I'll give mate a try too. |
| 01:03.32 | tw3k | no problems here with gnome |
| 01:04.05 | tw3k | always nice to switch WMs too if you feel like something different |
| 01:04.14 | mnuhmnuh | wpostma: really old, but bugless! |
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| 01:06.32 | tw3k | there recently was a discusion on the debian-user list on fvwm |
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| 01:07.47 | somiaj | I say fvwm is the way to go...*hides* |
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| 01:11.34 | majest1c | Do I need to make the .iso bootable first since I use windows? If i already were running Linux then it would load the iso straight away from the usb right? |
| 01:11.40 | somiaj | tw3k: most of the replays to that thread were of out dated info... |
| 01:11.41 | tw3k | I've been liking terminology as my terminal. Doesn't seem to be in the repository tho |
| 01:11.47 | somiaj | (the fvwm one) |
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| 01:12.21 | tw3k | somiaj: the users too, lol ;) |
| 01:13.03 | somiaj | tw3k: well most don't realize the changes I did to create a default-config both upstream and in the debian package, so a lot of outdated info about that. |
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| 01:15.03 | tw3k | somiaj: I didn't mess around with but it'd be interesting to at some point. fun to see the lineage on wikipedia too. Used to be a e17 fan and can see similarities |
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| 01:19.20 | rant | I still like sawfish best, it has sawfish-ui which is a gui config tool.. though its got some minor bugs in stretch |
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| 01:20.42 | wpostma | Wow Mate is great. Thanks for the tip |
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| 01:55.02 | maeestro | I only have wifi trying to install debian from a USB stick on a Dell XPS 13 (9343), however I have some issues detecting the ethernet card, how do I manage this? I cant find mine in the list, what should I do? |
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| 01:58.16 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 01:58.16 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 01:58.47 | somiaj | maeestro: the easiest way is to use the firmware image, it most likely has the firmware needed for your wifi. If you don't want to download a new image, you'll have to manually get the firmware and copy it over to the system. |
| 01:59.04 | somiaj | maeestro: the netinstall has a fully funcational base system, so you can install without the network, copy the firmware over, and then get your network up and running to complete the isntall |
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| 02:01.11 | maeestro | somiaj: I dont have a permanent connection to the internet, only wifi |
| 02:01.30 | somiaj | That is fine, none of what I described assumed other wise. |
| 02:02.42 | maeestro | somiaj: So I can just use the netinst .iso and make it bootable, install everything without needing a network driver? |
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| 02:03.21 | somiaj | you can only install a minmial base system with the netinstaller |
| 02:03.40 | somiaj | you'll have to get networking (for wifi this means downloading and copying firmware to the machine) to install anything beyond that minimial system. |
| 02:03.59 | somiaj | other wise, yes you can install a minmial base system without network with the netinstall |
| 02:04.42 | maeestro | Im not sure how to get the network firmware for the Dell XPS 13 (9343) though, I can only get the dell .exe network driver but I assume the operating system wont be able to load executables |
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| 02:05.04 | somiaj | debian provides most firmware, you will hve to let me know what wifi chipset is being used for that. |
| 02:05.09 | tw3k | maeestro: what card is it? |
| 02:05.44 | hiexpo | hey all when i click say a link in a book or something it calls and opens the link in google chrome i want it to use firefox how do i change that thanks |
| 02:05.54 | maeestro | tw3k: No idea, it just says "Dell Wireless 1560 WiFi Driver" |
| 02:06.22 | somiaj | maeestro: we can't really tell you what firmare you ened until you get us chipset info, which you can do with lscpi if on a *nix system. |
| 02:06.41 | somiaj | hiexpo: what program is opening up these links? There are multiple things that can set this. |
| 02:06.51 | maeestro | somiaj: I am on windows atm |
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| 02:07.26 | somiaj | maeestro: can you download a new netinstall from windows? |
| 02:07.28 | somiaj | !firmware installer |
| 02:07.28 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 02:07.39 | hiexpo | somiaj, ebook reader for sure |
| 02:07.46 | somiaj | maeestro: ^^ that installer should have all the firmware you need, and you can install it. |
| 02:08.01 | somiaj | hiexpo: what ebook reader? It might be you need to configure that ebook reader to open up the links with a different browser. |
| 02:08.23 | maeestro | somiaj: Yeah I can get a netinstall, but I will probably need the drivers anyways, maybe I can use it then type the command you said to find the card |
| 02:08.43 | somiaj | maeestro: you only need that firmware image I linked. |
| 02:08.52 | hiexpo | somiaj, fbreader |
| 02:09.11 | somiaj | maeestro: linux doesn't usually require additional drivers, they are mostly contained in the kernel, that unofficall firmware netinstall sh ould be enough to get you debian and your network working. |
| 02:09.23 | oct2pus | i'm having some issues with netbeans from the debian archives on debian testing. It seems to fail when I get to load modules. It previously worked but I had install openjfx and it seemed to no longer work even after removing it |
| 02:10.02 | somiaj | hiexpo: I would look first into just configureing fbreader directly, if not you can look at xdg-mime and see what the setting for the default-browser and text/html is |
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| 02:10.25 | hiexpo | somiaj, okay thanks alot |
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| 02:13.54 | hiexpo | somiaj, okay in fbreader its calling sensible-browser %1 & |
| 02:14.09 | hiexpo | somiaj, which opens google chrome |
| 02:15.05 | somiaj | hiexpo: you can configure what browser sensible-browser opens, or you can change that to firefox %1 & |
| 02:15.44 | hiexpo | somiaj, how do i configure which sensible it uses? |
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| 02:15.59 | maeestro | somiaj: that installer you linked assumes you already are on a linux system to download the files |
| 02:16.30 | somiaj | maeestro: no it doesn't, it works form windows |
| 02:16.32 | mnuhmnuh | oct2pus: suggest (assuming availability), add deb-src sid line in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "apt update && apt builddep packagename" |
| 02:16.43 | somiaj | maeestro: sorry |
| 02:16.45 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 02:16.45 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 02:16.55 | somiaj | maeestro: ^^ (I had the bot give the wrong factoid) |
| 02:17.26 | somiaj | hiexpo: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1715582 -- 4th post might work, which was what I suggested use xdg-mime to set the default handler |
| 02:17.51 | somiaj | hiexpo: what desktop do you use? |
| 02:18.05 | hiexpo | somiaj, mate |
| 02:18.21 | awal1 | maestro: official debian images doesn't includ non-free stuff, like non free firmware , call it driver if you want; the unofficial one includes non-free stuff (firmware/drivers). so just download that unofficial linked by somiaj, burn it on windows and use it! |
| 02:18.41 | somiaj | hiexpo: you might be able to find a prefered applications control tool to set this with a gui, but yea you can try to configure your xdg (freedesktop standards) using xdg-mime and various tools, or what I would do is just change the command fbreader uses. |
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| 02:19.12 | hiexpo | somiaj, ok thanks |
| 02:19.15 | awal1 | called unofficial bcoz official come with free software only. I hope you got it now, maeestro |
| 02:19.51 | somiaj | (they are made by the same team that makes the offical images, debian just won't call stuff that doens't meet the DSFG offical) |
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| 02:20.42 | awal1 | maeestro, unofficial are genuige just like the official ones, |
| 02:20.47 | awal1 | genuine |
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| 02:22.31 | oct2pus | mnuhmnuh, just so i know what im doing, you're asking me to build the sid version from source? |
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| 02:24.14 | maeestro | somiaj: When I install the firmware-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso it brings me to the network card and cant find it anyways, maybe I understood you wrong |
| 02:25.09 | somiaj | how did you install it? Anyways, that should work, but unless you actually can give us info on what wifi card you have, it is hard to help |
| 02:25.28 | maeestro | I just pressed "Graphical install" and followed instructions |
| 02:26.26 | maeestro | seems like I can continue now though |
| 02:26.27 | tw3k | I've had that trouble before. Try wireless.wiki.kernel.org |
| 02:26.39 | maeestro | I will get back to you |
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| 02:27.55 | somiaj | the biggest issue I know of is the broadcom wifi cards. Debian cannot distribute that firmware and it has to be removed from a windows driver with a firmware cutter. But there are other chipsets out there that may not have linux support as well. |
| 02:28.24 | tw3k | maybe it was because i didn't use the non-free. but you get propmted to insert usb for the firmware and if you skip that you can install anyway |
| 02:28.39 | Gelrooss | Hi |
| 02:28.57 | oct2pus | apt builddep doesn't seem to be a command |
| 02:29.09 | tw3k | somiaj: a quick look for the DW1560 loks like broadcom |
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| 02:30.07 | somiaj | tw3k: if so, that one is a pain to get to work without another internet connection (manaulaly cutting the firmware out takes some work) |
| 02:30.38 | somiaj | debian has a script that will download the driver and cut out the firmware, but you need another network connection for this. |
| 02:30.45 | somiaj | oct2pus: build-dep I think |
| 02:31.07 | somiaj | oct2pus: and if apt dosn't have it, use apt-get build-dep |
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| 02:34.22 | oct2pus | from what it looks like its not building from sid, just testing |
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| 02:34.55 | oct2pus | also build-dep is a command, thank you. |
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| 02:37.45 | oct2pus | i then installed netbeans after building, and then i seem to have the same issue, it fails silently after reaching "Turning on modules" |
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| 02:38.06 | maeestro | somiaj: This netinstall didnt give me a GUI though, is that because I dont have an internet connection? |
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| 02:39.18 | mnuhmnuh | oct2pus: yup, feature! bon chance. |
| 02:39.20 | somiaj | correct, a minimial install won't have a gui, and it sounds like you have a broadcom chipset which is gonna take some more work. |
| 02:39.56 | maeestro | it would be nice if you could help me out with that or tell me what to look into |
| 02:40.17 | oct2pus | honestly all i need is the ability to do my java homework if i can get javafx working with eclipse idgaf about netbeans |
| 02:40.19 | somiaj | untill you tell me what chipset you have, I can't really give you more advise |
| 02:40.20 | oct2pus | its a terrible ide |
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| 02:40.53 | maeestro | somiaj: "lscpi" is an unknown command, which you said I could use earlier |
| 02:40.54 | tw3k | maeestro: try https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org |
| 02:41.19 | dvs | maeestro, lspci |
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| 02:42.30 | maeestro | Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03) |
| 02:42.30 | mnuhmnuh | oct2pus: sorry, what i was told, apt (-get?) builddep (build-dep?) package # i'm old and lazy. you kids make it work. |
| 02:42.33 | dvs | tw3k, I'd prefer https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 02:43.09 | oct2pus | i mean i don't see a change between the two and as far as i can tell it just installs the dependencies without installing the actual program |
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| 02:43.33 | oct2pus | i also dont see why you ask me to install from src on sid |
| 02:44.32 | tw3k | dvs: in that case http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 02:44.40 | dvs | oct2pus, so you can compile the package from unstable source code using stable libraries. |
| 02:45.10 | mnuhmnuh | oct2pus: what?!? :-) source from sid is latest, on your existent system; safest. |
| 02:45.17 | somiaj | maeestro: that one will take a bit of work, I think the wl driver (not included in the kernel) might be the best approach for that chipset, https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 02:45.26 | oct2pus | im not on stable but how would i go about actually building it from source? |
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| 02:45.50 | somiaj | maeestro: it would be easiest if you could somehow get another connection to install that following the instructions there, otherwise you may have to manually download a bunch of packages from packages.debian.org to get it to work. |
| 02:46.08 | oct2pus | well at least eclipse gives me an error |
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| 02:47.32 | maeestro | somiaj: I downloaded the driver to a usb stick and now I got it in my laptop, how do I access the driver and install it? |
| 02:48.06 | somiaj | what driver did you download? |
| 02:48.22 | somiaj | if it was some .exe from dell that won't do you any good, you should follow the wiki and build it from the debian packages. |
| 02:48.52 | maeestro | somiaj: no it was "bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.141+bdcom-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb" |
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| 02:49.43 | mnuhmnuh | !ubuntu |
| 02:49.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 02:49.52 | somiaj | don't just download random stuff and expect it to work, in this case don't expect ubuntu packages to work in debian. |
| 02:50.13 | mnuhmnuh | !frankendebian |
| 02:50.13 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 02:50.27 | somiaj | maeestro: https://wiki.debian.org/wl -- that will contain the best info for getting it to work in debian. Unforuntally it can be a pain if you don't have another network connection to use when running those commands. |
| 02:52.59 | maeestro | somiaj: I guess I have to buy some usb to network adapter then |
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| 02:54.02 | maeestro | would be easy if there was just a file for the network driver I could download then just load it and install the driver |
| 02:54.40 | somiaj | it is possible, but it will requring downloading a hand full of packages by hand. You just got unluckly with the wifi chipset on that machine. |
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| 02:55.27 | somiaj | you have to compile it against your kernel. |
| 02:57.56 | tw3k | maeestro: try #bcm-users they might have one handy |
| 02:59.02 | hiexpo | somiaj, what wireless card is he trying to compile a driver for |
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| 02:59.22 | tw3k | hiexpo: BCM4352 |
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| 02:59.47 | rant | more like what useless piece of silicon is he trying to use as a wireless card :P |
| 02:59.51 | dvs | oh noes |
| 02:59.53 | somiaj | hiexpo: Broadcom in general is a pain even with firmware, in this case it is the BCM4352 which seems to be only supported by the out of kernel driver 'wl' |
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| 03:00.38 | quint | Is there a way to set the interface ID and inherit the prefix/subnet for a given ipv6 configuration? |
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| 03:00.59 | hiexpo | somiaj, yeppers lol |
| 03:01.32 | quint | I know you can achieve this with "ip token set", but surely there's a simple way to put that into a config file instead of scripting it |
| 03:04.40 | somiaj | quint: by config file you mean inerfaces file? |
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| 03:04.53 | somiaj | interfaces |
| 03:05.03 | quint | yeah |
| 03:05.10 | rant | quint: man 5 interfaces |
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| 03:06.31 | somiaj | quint: there maynot be a setup option for this, but you can do both pre-up and post-up scripts in the interfaces file to put it in the config file, though you may still need some script |
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| 03:12.14 | quint | rant, somiaj there is in fact an option. I must have missed it the first time around. The option is IPv6Token, whcih belongs under [Network] |
| 03:13.50 | teatime | uh |
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| 03:15.22 | maeestro | somiaj: What about this? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 03:16.41 | renzhi | hi, my android phone running cyanogenmod just died and totally bricked, I try to mount the sdcard on my debian, but it always "mount: /media/xp: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk0p2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.". The cfdisk command shows the partition type to be unknown. Anyway I can recover this? |
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| 03:17.53 | renzhi | fsck does not work, it just reports "Bad magic number in super-block" :( |
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| 03:21.13 | somiaj | maeestro: that is one of the many pacakges you would have to download and install |
| 03:21.31 | somiaj | maeestro: you would also have to download and install all the building and dkms tools and linux-headers to actually build the driver in that package. |
| 03:22.43 | maeestro | sounds too advanced, hopefully it will work if I buy a usb to network adapter and use a hardwired connection |
| 03:23.31 | dvs | maeestro, you can do one or the other. You don't have to do both. |
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| 03:24.15 | ealfonso | why would a default debian install not include ifconfig (net-tools) even though I specified 'standard' and even 'ssh-server' tasks |
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| 03:26.01 | tw3k | ealfonso: seems to have changed to nm or nmcli |
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| 03:27.51 | ealfonso | I actually don't use nm or nmcli, so now I have to manually install net-tools |
| 03:28.16 | tw3k | well... nm was wrong anyway |
| 03:30.07 | somiaj | ealfonso: ip and iw have replaced net-tools |
| 03:30.41 | somiaj | in general, most consider using the newer tools preferable, and maybe they were trying to slim down the minmial system by not including duplicate tools. |
| 03:30.51 | somiaj | though net-tools is still there for those who want them |
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| 03:38.46 | rant | renzhi: what is the command you're running? |
| 03:39.45 | rant | renzhi: well actually what WAS the filesystem FAT? |
| 03:39.56 | ealfonso | is it correct that 'Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 3e)' means I have to apt-get firmware-iwlwifi? is there a tool to determine which wifi driver I need? |
| 03:40.16 | rant | renzhi: gpart might be of some help if there is damage to the partition table, the fs is a different story |
| 03:40.47 | somiaj | ealfonso: you can double check the pciid of the card to see if it is supported, but yes, that looks like an intel card which are all under the iwlwifi driver, and that firmware should be what you need. |
| 03:40.53 | rant | ealfonso: usually it'll tell you in the kernel output if there is missing firmware what driver you need |
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| 03:41.06 | tw3k | ealfonso: I'm pretty sure, I have the firmware which I got from kernel.org |
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| 03:41.28 | ealfonso | I had to modprobe -r iwlwifi and modprobe iwlwifi to see the interface |
| 03:41.31 | somiaj | I would just get it from debian to match your kernel though, unless you have a paticular reason not too. |
| 03:41.49 | somiaj | ealfonso: you will have to do that after you install the firmware, or have you not done that yet? |
| 03:42.12 | ealfonso | I installed the firmware, but wasn't seeing the interface. |
| 03:42.49 | somiaj | the module only checks for it at load time, so yea you have to reload the module (or reboot) after |
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| 03:58.38 | ealfonso | 'unable to locate package roxterm'... why? |
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| 04:00.34 | ealfonso | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/373350/has-roxterm-been-removed-from-debian-9-stretch I see |
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| 04:02.33 | ealfonso | why am I getting permission denied on /dev/tty0? This used to work fine before stretch |
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| 04:03.58 | somiaj | ealfonso: what are you trying to do that gives you permission denied? |
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| 04:39.02 | Pendrag0n | I hope no one minds, my question is more putty related than debian (but the putty room is by invitation only). When I press CTRL+D, to end the session and have it close, the putty shell/window closes just fine. When my session ends by timing out, or if the connection is lost, or when my putty session ends (from my Debian server) in any other way, whereas I get the little "Connection has been lost" popup, after clicking "OK" on the popup and then it says "( |
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| 04:44.54 | Pendrag0n | for all of those 8 people who just joined, any of you watching this? |
| 04:46.19 | tw3k | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.07 | Pendrag0n | @tw3k, did it cut off? what were the last 3 words you could see? |
| 04:48.20 | Pendrag0n | (it may have been too long) |
| 04:48.22 | tw3k | it says :( |
| 04:48.23 | teatime | and then it says⦠|
| 04:48.32 | teatime | but anyway, that behavior is configurable in PuTTY |
| 04:48.40 | tw3k | "( |
| 04:48.42 | Pendrag0n | ah... |
| 04:48.50 | Pendrag0n | I have to break it into 3 peices |
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| 04:48.54 | somiaj | Pendrag0n: are you trying to get putty from giving you that popup if it times out? |
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| 04:49.51 | Pendrag0n | no, you guys were missing cruicial parts of my issue, give me one second, about to paste in in chunks |
| 04:50.13 | Pendrag0n | I hope no one minds, my question is more putty related than debian (but the putty room is by invitation only). When I press CTRL+D, to end the session and have it close, the putty shell/window closes just fine. |
| 04:50.19 | Pendrag0n | When my session ends by timing out, or if the connection is lost, or when my putty session ends (from my Debian server) in any other way, whereas I get the little "Connection has been lost" popup, after clicking "OK" on the popup and then it says "(inactive)" in the title bar..... |
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| 04:50.25 | Pendrag0n | MY PROBLEM: I can't close the window. Not by clicking the red close X at the top right corner of putty, not by pressing CTRL+D, to end the session, nothing. when I right click putty on the taskbar, the word "close" is missing from the options... the only way I have found to close it, is to click the inactive window, and then press "ALT+F4" |
| 04:50.31 | Pendrag0n | Has anyone else experienced this, and does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 04:50.37 | Pendrag0n | There we go, that was all of it |
| 04:50.44 | teatime | you now this isn't #putty, right |
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| 04:51.12 | joe___ | hello |
| 04:51.25 | teatime | hey, joe. heh. |
| 04:51.26 | Pendrag0n | yes, it is a putty question, but the #putty room is invite only, so I figured many of you guys likely use putty just like I do. |
| 04:51.40 | joe___ | I've been trying to install Debian off of a live USB and am having some trouble |
| 04:51.59 | joe___ | When I go to install, debian says it is looking for a live CD to install packages from |
| 04:52.15 | joe___ | is there any simple way to point it from the usb stick that I am booting it from |
| 04:52.17 | Pendrag0n | I have like 7 other Debian related questions, but I am going to ask one at a time, to avoid confussion |
| 04:52.36 | Pendrag0n | hm.. joe__ I thnk I know of a way |
| 04:53.30 | ealfonso | somiaj I was doing xinit. I needed to follow a workaround in this thread https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=856351 |
| 04:53.30 | joe___ | yeah dude? what would you recommend? |
| 04:53.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/856351 in xinit (open): «parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-02-28; last modified: 2018-02-17. |
| 04:54.01 | Pendrag0n | @joe__ There may be a few ways of doing the same thing, try editing your /ets/fstab to create a mount point, or just manually mount it, to /dev/cdrom that's what I did for a folder that I wanted treated as a CDROM, although the mount point may be off by a smidge, I'd have to look it up, but you get the idea, right? |
| 04:54.39 | ealfonso | now xcalib doesn't work either. 'unsupported ramp size'... why is everything broken in stretch? |
| 04:54.40 | joe___ | ok, I tried to mount it and it said I couldnt use mout |
| 04:54.45 | Pendrag0n | So I take it no one else has expreienced the putty issue I am ? |
| 04:54.48 | joe___ | I need to modify the fstab |
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| 04:54.54 | joe___ | so I will take a look at that |
| 04:54.56 | joe___ | thanks dude |
| 04:55.00 | somiaj | ealfonso: did you install the xorg-server-legacy package? |
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| 04:55.09 | somiaj | ealfonso: what was the workaround (didn't click the link) |
| 04:55.09 | Pendrag0n | yeah, fstab, and there are different kinds of mount points, you need to use a bind-mount I beleive |
| 04:55.29 | somiaj | joe___: are you trying to install from inside the live enviomrent, or did you boot directly into the debian installer on the live image? |
| 04:55.42 | ealfonso | adding needs_root_rights=yes to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 04:55.52 | joe___ | I used a live USB to run the installer |
| 04:56.21 | joe___ | and then it said it is looking for installation files in /dev/cdrom [which is empty because I booted from a USB] |
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| 04:56.39 | Pendrag0n | Fuck, so no one else. for my question... alright.. next question. I installed ubuntu desktop JUST so that my crew and I can rdesktop and share the screen once a month for meetings, but other than that, I want to run it as a Debian server. Other than gnome and X, is there anything else I should "stop" while we are just using it server mode? |
| 04:56.43 | joe___ | I havent had this trouble with other distros; I guess I will play with mounting or messing with fstab |
| 04:56.56 | Pendrag0n | @joe__ you can use fstab to auto mount the USB to that point, /dev/cdrom |
| 04:56.59 | tw3k | !ubuntu |
| 04:56.59 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 04:57.08 | tw3k | next |
| 04:57.31 | somiaj | ealfonso: you may want to just install the xserver-xorg-legacy package, it is the old setuid xorg server setup and can get around a lot of the permission errors (though unsure why it isn't working that nicely for you, it is working for me here) |
| 04:57.41 | joe___ | awesome, I will check that out, hopefully it works |
| 04:58.11 | Pendrag0n | thanks tw3k, do you at least have any ideas about the putty thing? the "close" command/option window dissapears from the application menu (title bar/ task bar menu) |
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| 04:58.35 | tw3k | Pendrag0n: no. I use OpenSSh. Maybe xkill? |
| 04:58.48 | Pendrag0n | I'll take a look at it. |
| 04:59.08 | somiaj | I would assume with putty it is running in windows, and I'm unsure why you are not able to close the windows. |
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| 05:01.15 | Pendrag0n | well, next question is... I have a server that got fucked up. it has a tremendous amount of important data. But what happened is it used to be connected to an encrypted mesh network. SLAP D pulled user perms from mysql and ldap, and those were in an encrypted drive which isn't there anymore. Then the thing joined the mesh network. Now I just need it to be on my home network. I've tried editing /etc/network/interfaces and setting "auto lo" and "iface lo in |
| 05:01.24 | Pendrag0n | I still can't start networking |
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| 05:01.58 | Pendrag0n | it for some reason still bitches about slapd, what other files could I be missing (looking at) other than /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 05:02.49 | somiaj | there are various tings that can configure the network. There are possibliy additional files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/, you could also have some init script or systemd unit wanting to bring things up, or even tools like network-manager. |
| 05:02.53 | Pendrag0n | now that id def a debian question @tw3k ;-) |
| 05:02.57 | tw3k | Hard to say. Sounds quit customized |
| 05:03.12 | tw3k | heh :) |
| 05:03.34 | Pendrag0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.50 | Pendrag0n | trying to quit customized, and bring it back to defaults. |
| 05:03.59 | tw3k | I'm no master by any means but I'd follow syslog and dmesg -Hw and start with disabling slapd |
| 05:04.06 | Pendrag0n | I can't figure out what else to do, I am an engineer (software) not sys admin |
| 05:04.09 | Pendrag0n | but that was helpful |
| 05:04.16 | Pendrag0n | in the right direction, to look in /etc/network/interfaces.d, thank you |
| 05:04.27 | Pendrag0n | I did, it's empty, what's next? where else should I look? |
| 05:04.40 | tw3k | can you just migate the data to a fresh install? |
| 05:04.41 | Pendrag0n | ah I just saw what you typed above |
| 05:04.55 | Pendrag0n | NOOO so much important data sprnkled all over the thing |
| 05:05.02 | Pendrag0n | I'll try the logs |
| 05:05.05 | Pendrag0n | like you suggested |
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| 05:05.12 | tw3k | they always help |
| 05:05.14 | somiaj | Pendrag0n: systemctl status should list what things are running, there is also a way to list all units that failed, one second. |
| 05:05.27 | Pendrag0n | for somereason I always forget the obvious and move onto the next thing |
| 05:05.40 | somiaj | ahh systemctl list-units --failed |
| 05:05.51 | Pendrag0n | I forgot all about systemctrl, that's relatively new right? last 5 or 10 years? |
| 05:06.28 | somiaj | systemd was first seen in debian wheezy as a preview, became default in jessie, so yea something liek that |
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| 05:06.45 | Pendrag0n | sysctl right? not systemctrl, or am I wrong?\ |
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| 05:07.06 | tw3k | systemctl |
| 05:07.13 | Pendrag0n | odd, I don't have that |
| 05:07.19 | tw3k | i'm getting used to the changes as well\ |
| 05:07.25 | somiaj | systemctl, sysctl is something else. |
| 05:07.28 | Pendrag0n | if I type sys and hit tab, only sysctl and syslinux2ansi show up |
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| 05:07.53 | Pendrag0n | hmm let me cat proc version |
| 05:08.03 | Pendrag0n | oooo |
| 05:08.06 | Pendrag0n | you are all going to slap me |
| 05:08.17 | cheapie | gets the trout ready |
| 05:08.29 | somiaj | Pendrag0n: what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:08.50 | Pendrag0n | I forgot, I am a debian guy, through and through, to the bone, but back when I stood this up, debian was trailing in security, in their stable version at lesat, it didn't have apparmor, but ubuntu server did........ |
| 05:08.52 | Pendrag0n | so.... sorry |
| 05:09.00 | Pendrag0n | wrong room for this question I gues... |
| 05:09.10 | Pendrag0n | slaps self with trout |
| 05:09.18 | cheapie | "What version of Debian are you running?" "Ubuntu Server 17.10" "???" |
| 05:09.42 | Pendrag0n | (root@pluto)-(/etc/network/interfaces.d)-(12:06 AM Tue Mar 06)-> |
| 05:09.42 | Pendrag0n | (0 files, 8.0Kb)--> cat /proc/version |
| 05:09.42 | Pendrag0n | Linux version 3.13.0-45-generic (buildd@kissel) (gcc version 4.8.2 (Ubuntu 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) ) #74-Ubuntu |
| 05:10.04 | cheapie | That's one hell of a prompt :P |
| 05:10.14 | Pendrag0n | it is a two line prompt, sorry |
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| 05:11.31 | Pendrag0n | anywho, I'm in the wrong room I supose, unless somiaj or tw3k want to continue helping anyays, I treat this thing like it is debian, I've uninstalled all gui related anything. |
| 05:11.37 | Pendrag0n | installed aptitude. |
| 05:12.01 | tw3k | there like custom programs on it or somwething? |
| 05:12.41 | Pendrag0n | oh hell yeah, for one, it was our backup server before we lost the entire network, for two, there are bitcoin, and custom code for our messnetwork, and tor, and bitcoin bug fixes, etc |
| 05:12.58 | somiaj | the core of ubuntu is quite different from debian, so you should be seeking support for ubuntu. |
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| 05:13.50 | Pendrag0n | I gotta jet, I have to go over to the server rack, and watch syslog as tw3k suggested. the damn thing doesn't have networking running, (which is the problem) so I can't just ssh into it. |
| 05:14.10 | Pendrag0n | I wonder why the hell someone has the putty room locked down to invite only, what an asshole. |
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| 05:14.16 | Pendrag0n | anywho, ttyl |
| 05:14.19 | Pendrag0n | thanks for the advice |
| 05:14.31 | Pendrag0n | @joe__ if you are still here, I hope I was helpful |
| 05:14.34 | tw3k | good luck! |
| 05:14.40 | Pendrag0n | thanks, take care |
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| 05:20.34 | deaninous | hi on kali having some type of pgp key error. Anyone can help? |
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| 05:27.42 | ealfonso` | how do I avoid a reboot to workaround this debian bug? https://askubuntu.com/questions/930084/xcalib-error-unsupported-ramp-size/945565#945565 |
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| 05:28.40 | teatime | you can restart X, depends on how it's started to begin with |
| 05:29.03 | teatime | if you're using a display manager / graphical login, you can just do telinit 3, then wait a moment, then telinit 5 |
| 05:29.23 | teatime | (you can do the same thing with systemctl but that works and is what I can remember off the top of my head.) |
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| 05:31.39 | annadane | deaninous, you can try posting the error message to paste.debian.net but kali is not generally supported here because there are differences between it and debian |
| 05:31.40 | annadane | !kali |
| 05:31.40 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 05:32.22 | annadane | deaninous, i suppose if it's a generic problem people can perhaps solve your issue anyhow |
| 05:32.36 | annadane | but generally encouraged not to ask here as we may not be able to help |
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| 05:35.57 | mrjpaxton | Hey, I got a quick question. My computer just crashed randomly, and I had to reboot. Is there any way I can look at kernel/systemd logs after a reboot? I just need a list or directory of files to look at specifically. |
| 05:37.09 | teatime | mrjpaxton: can try /var/log but there will likely not be too much of interest there about your issue under the default configuration |
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| 05:41.23 | mrjpaxton | teatime: Strangely enough as I was looking through /var/log, everything is labeled a year ago from 2017... Hmmm. |
| 05:41.53 | mrjpaxton | Also, by default configuration, you mean I should be running the kernel in a different mode to debug? |
| 05:42.19 | teatime | just that systemd journal doesn't log journal to disk by default |
| 05:42.33 | teatime | and I think that will keep you from having the kernel log (dmesg) around from the previous boot |
| 05:42.36 | teatime | I could be wrong though |
| 05:42.37 | adminewb | is that why systemd is evil? |
| 05:42.43 | teatime | not precisely |
| 05:43.29 | mrjpaxton | Oh, I see. Hmm... I guess I'll never know unless it happens again. Maybe I will enable disk writing, if I can figure that out. Thanks for your help. |
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| 05:55.18 | linuxthefish | Hi, what's a command I can use to delete everyone on my computer, like in an emergency? |
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| 05:55.52 | teatime | for like, cops busting in the door? |
| 05:55.52 | linuxthefish | Would "rm -rf / --no-preserve-root" delete everything, or would the process stop when /bin/rm is deleted? |
| 05:56.15 | teatime | deleting doesn't actually remove the data from the disk. |
| 05:56.22 | linuxthefish | Haha yeah teatime but I'm not concerned about deleting things that securely |
| 05:56.28 | linuxthefish | Actually yeah hmm |
| 05:56.29 | teatime | better bet would be to use full disk encryption, and shut down |
| 05:56.46 | linuxthefish | Would "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda" work better? |
| 05:56.55 | teatime | yes but it will take a long time |
| 05:58.57 | linuxthefish | I could always cheat with bs=1G |
| 05:59.34 | Stummi | linuxdaemon, that won't make it much faster |
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| 05:59.41 | dtux | encryption aims to produce ciphertext that is indistinguishable from random bytes |
| 05:59.58 | teatime | you can also have a panic procedure that secure-deletes the keys |
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| 06:00.02 | teatime | much better system |
| 06:00.55 | Stummi | linuxthefish, yeah. use LUKS to encrypt your HDD. In "a an emergency" you just have to wipe the key block and all the data will become unusable. |
| 06:01.16 | Stummi | you could easily destroy terabytes of data within less of a second |
| 06:01.37 | linuxthefish | Stummi, what would deleting the key block mean? Is that a file or in memory? |
| 06:02.05 | Stummi | linuxdaemon, IIRC (don't quote me on that, look it up yourself) the first few blocks of your luks partition |
| 06:02.08 | teatime | under LUKS, the keys are stored encrypted by a passphrase, on the disk itself. Remove the keys, the data on the disk is unrecoverable. |
| 06:03.06 | linuxthefish | I guess deleting the boot partition on a luks encrypted system would make it look like my computer was broken |
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| 06:05.45 | password2 | wire c4 to your hdd |
| 06:05.54 | teatime | nah, thermite |
| 06:06.03 | linuxthefish | Thanks guys, was just an interesting thought, unfortunately in my country (the UK) refusing to give encryption keys or wiping your computer is a crime even if you haven't done anything wrong |
| 06:06.09 | password2 | nah , termites |
| 06:06.21 | linuxthefish | teatime, I was watching a video where they tried thermite on a disk and it didn't work too well |
| 06:06.41 | teatime | it would have to work better than rm -rf / :) |
| 06:09.00 | Stummi | linuxdaemon, look up steganography. Its the topic of hiding the presence of data, instead just of encrypting it. Its a very interesting topic itself |
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| 08:42.34 | Tartifle | Hi guys ! I'm facing a really strange issue with promiscious mode; whenever I enable it on an interface, there is a huge amount of packets/bytes on it (~100mo/s) with lots of drops; so far, easily explainable; the thing is : I have the same problem even if the cable is unplugged |
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| 08:43.22 | Tartifle | as long as the interface is UP and PROMISCIOUS, I see that storm |
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| 08:43.54 | Tartifle | I'm using Debian 8 (kernel 4.4.35) and be2net driver |
| 08:44.43 | Tartifle | is it a problem with the driver ? where should I look to investigate |
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| 09:11.10 | godzila | hello guys |
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| 09:12.34 | Lyberta | hi, I've installed the base system on luks partition and want to make it bootable, how to add it to GRUB and not my current system? |
| 09:12.35 | godzila | can someone help me with smth?:) |
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| 09:13.36 | godzila | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 09:13.36 | godzila | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.36 | godzila | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 09:13.36 | dpkg | godzila: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:15.00 | godzila | does anyone know how I can fix this error? |
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| 09:24.27 | Nsolon | is there a debian specific place to get help for NetworkManager? The gnome applet crashes when I try to connect to a WPA Enterprise network, but works fine for networks that are open or only need a password |
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| 09:28.34 | godzila | Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l |
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| 09:48.17 | bjgirl | Hi, I am boring,just posted a lot of hot? selfies at www.triphile.com, the first 6 pictures are mine |
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| 10:22.06 | BCMM | anybody know a way to stop Steam from blocking shutdown? |
| 10:22.34 | BCMM | i'm using KDE Plasma, and every time i try to shutdown the computer, steam aborts the shutdown and then exits |
| 10:22.53 | BCMM | i always have to leave *twice* before it actually works |
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| 10:25.57 | NetTerminalGene | stretch hasn't got updates for a long time. is it just me? |
| 10:26.27 | NetTerminalGene | i think the last update was date time stuff |
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| 10:27.15 | czart_ | Hi, what packaged should I install to have "nc" on board? |
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| 10:30.07 | capn | czart_: netcat ? |
| 10:30.36 | BCMM | czart_: /bin/nc: symbolic link to /etc/alternatives/nc |
| 10:30.37 | czart_ | capn: yeah, it's "netcat" (so probably just "apt-get install netcat") |
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| 10:30.48 | BCMM | czart_: so there are multiple packages in debian that can provide it |
| 10:31.05 | capn | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/netcat |
| 10:32.33 | czart_ | capn: thanks. |
| 10:32.41 | czart_ | BCMM: Why? For what purpose? |
| 10:33.02 | BCMM | czart_: well, there are multiple different implementations of netcat in the world |
| 10:33.08 | BCMM | czart_: and they don't all have exactly the same features |
| 10:33.11 | BCMM | so debian gives people a choice |
| 10:33.34 | czart_ | I just need netcat to check whether a database server (PostgreSQL) is up (a simple scripts that invoke netcat periodically). |
| 10:33.39 | BCMM | but instead of having to type out something like nc.openbsd every time, the debian alternatives system symlinks /bin/nc for convenience |
| 10:33.49 | BCMM | fwiw i've got netcat-openbsd providing it. automatically installed as a recommendation of libvirt-daemon, of all things. |
| 10:34.12 | czart_ | BCMM: Okay, many thanks for elaboration. |
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| 10:34.30 | BCMM | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/netcat says there is netcat-openbsd and netcat-traditional |
| 10:34.31 | czart_ | (a simple script*) |
| 10:34.47 | teatime | NetTerminalGene: Stretch isn't supposed to get a lot of updates. But there have been some semi-recently. |
| 10:34.54 | teatime | NetTerminalGene: also nice nick. |
| 10:35.03 | BCMM | czart_: it also links descriptions of both of them |
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| 10:35.15 | BCMM | czart_: your simple script will almost certainly work just the same with either of them |
| 10:35.27 | NetTerminalGene | teatime, thnaks |
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| 10:36.33 | czart_ | BCMM: Okay, good to know. |
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| 10:37.53 | czart_ | I have general question, because I was using Ubuntu before solely. How it compares with Debian in terms of running a web server (e.g. with Nginix serving Python applications)? |
| 10:38.09 | czart_ | (has been using*) |
| 10:38.16 | teatime | essentially the same. |
| 10:38.34 | BCMM | czart_: very very similar |
| 10:38.39 | czart_ | Cool :-) |
| 10:38.59 | BCMM | czart_: you might have different version of some packages. it'll depend on which debian release and which ubuntu release we're talking about, of course |
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| 10:40.11 | czart_ | BCMM: Yeah, that's true. But they both evolve rather in fast pace, so there will be discrepancies for sure. |
| 10:40.25 | czart_ | However, do they share some come code base or something? |
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| 10:41.20 | czart_ | (or the same/similar repository for packages - I am not sure how to ask the question properly) |
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| 10:41.51 | teatime | ubuntu, like many distros, begins with debian packages. |
| 10:41.58 | teatime | at least as far as I know. |
| 10:42.13 | teatime | and they've obv. inherited the apt system for package management. |
| 10:42.27 | czart_ | teatime: Okay, so Debian was (is?) kind of foundation. |
| 10:42.27 | teatime | so the development and packaging work they do do independently, is in the same format |
| 10:42.32 | teatime | correct. |
| 10:42.51 | BCMM | czart_: ubuntu is based on debian |
| 10:43.16 | BCMM | czart_: ubuntu doesn't directly use debian's repos, but its own repos are based on debian's |
| 10:43.29 | BCMM | a lot of package are essentially unchanged |
| 10:43.35 | teatime | czart_: you can't mix packages intended for one onto the other, though. |
| 10:43.47 | teatime | see !dontbreakdebian |
| 10:44.04 | czart_ | BCMM: Okay, I see. |
| 10:44.15 | teatime | so don't try to use ubuntu ppa's etc. |
| 10:44.17 | czart_ | teatime: Okay, I will bear this in mind. |
| 10:44.25 | BCMM | czart_: yeah, its basically reuse of source packages. ubuntu takes from debian *source packages*, not compiled binaries. in general, finished .debs are not compatible between the two |
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| 10:45.17 | czart_ | Okay, I will try to grasp the differences in-depth in spare time... Thanks guys :-) I am going to set up this netcat and work on the script. Cheers. |
| 10:45.31 | teatime | Enjoy. |
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| 11:28.56 | acr_ | hi |
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| 11:31.55 | acr_ | why radeon is preferred by default? amdgpu is best |
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| 11:33.23 | bazhang | acr_, many cards dont apply |
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| 11:34.38 | acr_ | radeon widely support? |
| 11:34.49 | bazhang | sure does |
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| 11:35.41 | acr_ | yeah that strange |
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| 11:36.04 | acr_ | my card not listed in supported in amdgpu but it work |
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| 11:36.12 | bolt | When I'm connected to my x11vnc server after upgrading to stretch, the server sometimes says "caught signal 6" and shuts down. This didn't happen on Jessie. How can I figure out what's sending it ABRT? |
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| 11:37.18 | teatime | it is probably the program itself |
| 11:37.24 | acr_ | bolt how to you upgrade to stretch? |
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| 11:47.32 | bolt | acr_: ? |
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| 11:51.03 | acr_ | bolt i mean is you upgrade x11vnc package with all system? |
| 11:51.04 | swati_27_ | Tab-completion not working in Debian. Please help |
| 11:51.21 | acr_ | swati_27_, really? |
| 11:51.27 | swati_27_ | Tab-completion not working in Debian through VNC. Please help |
| 11:51.42 | swati_27_ | Sorry for previous message |
| 11:52.17 | swati_27_ | I've changed the ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml this file too for <Super Tab> |
| 11:52.21 | swati_27_ | But still no help |
| 11:52.48 | bolt | acr_: yes, x11vnc was upgraded along with the rest of the system. it's currently version 0.9.13-2 |
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| 11:55.16 | acr_ | swati_27_, but it work in ssh? |
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| 11:55.38 | acr_ | swati_27_, or local console? |
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| 13:16.13 | gypsymauro | I've to serve some custom deb packages on my LAN , I used nginx to publish them on a folder and I added on my sources.lists htt://myserver/folder ./ but it works on some old version of debian but not on the new ones, they says: W: Failed to fetch http://myserver/myfolder/./Packages 403 Forbidden, but if I try with wget the same address no error occours, and in the log seems that apt doens't even try |
| 13:16.19 | gypsymauro | to download this.. seems something that blocks it before, and the strange is that it works on ancient version of debian, it's cause I didnt' sign the repository? |
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| 13:33.08 | bolt | gypsymauro: 403 Forbidden is a response from your webserver. try fetching the URL with curl/wget/whatever. you should get the same response |
| 13:33.13 | bolt | probably, your web server config is outdated |
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| 13:59.33 | tw | gypsymauro: read the webserver error log to see what requests are coming back 403. |
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| 14:13.37 | MrKeuner | hi, how should I change the default file manager in Stretch in Gnome-shell? |
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| 14:22.21 | MrKeuner | update-alternatives? |
| 14:22.31 | MrKeuner | gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 14:24.00 | tw | I don't know if gnome uses xdg to figure that out. |
| 14:26.02 | MrKeuner | if so? |
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| 14:26.48 | MrKeuner | xdg-open /media/user/disk/ open via Caja which mimics the behaviour I'd like to change |
| 14:28.23 | tw | Normally, I'd use `xdg-mime default some.other.desktop inode/directory` to set the default. |
| 14:29.28 | BCMM | MrKeuner: to slightly clarify the above, there's nothing special about the "default file browser". it's just the default application for opening a particular type of file. |
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| 14:30.06 | BCMM | except that file type is "directories" |
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| 14:33.42 | MrKeuner | Got it thanks. Shouldn't this list the current one? xdg-mime query "inode/directory" |
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| 14:34.12 | tw | xdg-mime query default inode/directory |
| 14:34.32 | MrKeuner | Thank you |
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| 14:37.01 | MrKeuner | xdg-mime default nautilus-classic.desktop inode/directory doesn't seem to work, may be it is not 'installed' in xdg, right? |
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| 14:38.15 | tw | see if that file is in /usr/share/applications. That's usually where the systemwide ones go. |
| 14:38.23 | MrKeuner | it is |
| 14:39.11 | tw | Hmm, no idea then. Check your .xsession-errors maybe? |
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| 14:40.00 | MrKeuner | xdg-mime default nautilus-classic.desktop inode/directory doesn't print any errors in the xsession-errors |
| 14:40.05 | MrKeuner | Thank you for your help |
| 14:41.06 | tw | it'd be when you run xdg-open . from the console. |
| 14:41.31 | MrKeuner | But it is still set to caja |
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| 14:41.41 | MrKeuner | according do query |
| 14:42.08 | MrKeuner | And no errors in .xsession-errors when xdg-open . |
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| 14:44.51 | tw | hmm, weird, no idea then, sorry. I just ran it and it worked. You can dig around in the xdg config files to mangle them directly. |
| 14:45.05 | tw | By which I mean the ones in your home directory. |
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| 14:46.29 | zodd | I have an old server I cannot upgrade. When I try to git clone something from github I get: gnutls_handshake() failed: The specified session has been invalidated for some reason. |
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| 14:46.54 | zodd | no further info. Any thoughts on the subject beside the urge to upgrade? |
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| 14:47.22 | petn-randall | zodd: How old is the server? |
| 14:47.29 | petn-randall | well, rather the OS on it. |
| 14:49.23 | RoyK | zodd: pastebin output of "lsb_release -a", please |
| 14:49.46 | BanHammor | zodd, i'm suspecting you don't have up-to-date certs. The solution is to either manually update your SSL certs or flat out not check them, a-la "GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true git fetch...". |
| 14:50.05 | zodd | ow. Sorry. I should have mentioned: Debian Squeeze. |
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| 14:50.39 | zodd | quite old |
| 14:50.43 | JustASlacker | updating certs is no fun |
| 14:50.44 | MrKeuner | You may know this already but it could probably because of security updates applied to github not being backward compatible with the gnutls version you run on the old server. You cannot even upgrade single package? |
| 14:50.47 | BanHammor | is there a specific reason you can't upgrade? |
| 14:50.51 | RoyK | zodd: heh - long time suppport until 2016-02-29 |
| 14:51.01 | bolt | When I'm connected to my x11vnc server after upgrading to stretch, the server sometimes says "caught signal 6" and shuts down. This didn't happen on Jessie. How can I figure out what's sending it ABRT? |
| 14:51.10 | RoyK | zodd: better just reinstall the thing - it'll be easier |
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| 14:51.24 | tw | gut instinct is supported tls version is too low. It's old enough that I can't look up the package version. |
| 14:51.25 | zodd | lol. no option |
| 14:51.43 | RoyK | zodd: well, then setup a new one and migrate to that |
| 14:51.53 | RoyK | zodd: it'll be quicker and far cleaner |
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| 14:53.07 | jhutchins_wk | My guess would be that the default protocol needs to be set to something newer - like not TLS 1.0. The older gnutls should still be capable of the newer protocols, it just doesn't default to them. |
| 14:54.07 | zodd | jhutchins_wk, I think so too |
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| 14:54.58 | RoyK | zodd: really - it will be easier to just setup a new thing |
| 14:55.12 | zodd | RoyK, really not true |
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| 14:55.42 | zodd | otherwise this would have been done ages ago |
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| 14:56.24 | tw | github only supports tls 1.2.man gnutls |
| 14:56.26 | tw | Err doh. |
| 14:56.31 | JustASlacker | well, why not GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true then |
| 14:56.58 | tw | Worth a shot, but that error suggests it's not doing cert verify, it's closed during handshaking. |
| 14:57.02 | zodd | I just did an export of that and next a git clone : same error |
| 14:57.51 | JustASlacker | well, why not look for new and exciting jon opportunities elsewhere? |
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| 15:05.22 | BanHammor | not really helpful advice, but you should REALLY lobby your higher-ups to spend a few days upgrading, this is a security breach waiting to happen, |
| 15:05.27 | BanHammor | AND it's unusable |
| 15:06.08 | mandeep | is it possible to setup 2fa where a yubikey is needed to login to the desktop? |
| 15:06.20 | tw | yubikey has some docs on that. |
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| 15:06.26 | mandeep | hmm |
| 15:06.34 | tw | they also have some docs on force-logout when yubikey is removed. |
| 15:06.41 | tw | *Yubico |
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| 15:07.10 | mandeep | they have guides for windows and macos but i didnt see any for debian or any other distro |
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| 15:10.16 | tw | https://www.yubico.com/why-yubico/for-business/computer-login/linux_login/ |
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| 15:12.22 | mandeep | tw: thanks. is u2f the right way to go with this? |
| 15:12.28 | jhutchins_wk | ,v libpam-google-authenticator |
| 15:12.29 | judd | Package: libpam-google-authenticator on amd64 -- jessie: 20130529-2; stretch: 20160607-2+b1; buster: 20170702-1; sid: 20170702-1 |
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| 15:13.35 | tw | Depends on what you want to do. U2F is probably fine and can coexist with other kinds of login. |
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| 15:18.19 | tw | zodd: I looked into it; the gnutls shipped with squeeze, latest updates, does support TLS 1.2, but it does not support any cipher suites supported by github (who only use strong ciphers and some non-FS RSA compat ciphers). |
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| 15:18.38 | tw | Supported cipher suites from this page: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=github.com&s=192.30.255.112&hideResults=on |
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| 15:20.05 | tw | the other from gnutls-cli |
| 15:20.08 | zodd | tw, thank you very much. The easiest way to resolve things was a checkout on a new server and scp it back to the prehistoric server |
| 15:20.59 | tw | I'm actually shutting down a squeeze server right now =/ |
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| 15:21.28 | jelly | tw: I have 50 of those that are not being shut down right now. |
| 15:21.32 | tw | XD |
| 15:21.33 | naptastic | I'm doing a dist-upgrade on Buster and "Setting up ifdown 0.8.30" is stuck. It's waiting for a sleeping process, "systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch" |
| 15:21.44 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:21.45 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:21.49 | jelly | naptastic: ^ |
| 15:21.54 | naptastic | jelly, thanks! |
| 15:23.01 | Nezoriel | Hello :D |
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| 15:34.59 | nezZario | this is nuts |
| 15:35.04 | nezZario | i've been struggling with this since yesterday |
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| 15:36.45 | nezZario | yesterday I had a unexpected power outage, nothing weird, and ever since my pc has been, well, broke. originally i couldn't get into X11 at all, and my wireless devices won't and still won't show up. I got Xorg to start by commenting out all the fancy resolution lines in xorg.conf .. But I'm stuck in 1024x768 ... wireless devices, which never have had a problem with before (and before, didn't even need to install |
| 15:36.45 | nezZario | any special drivers for..) aren't showing up anywhere. |
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| 15:37.28 | greycat | Having an xorg.conf at all is unusual. What happens if you rename it so that it doesn't get used, and let X find the hardware itself? |
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| 15:37.34 | nezZario | i'm connected by a USB tethering app right now effectively using my phone as a wifi antenna but it's slow as crusty crud |
| 15:37.41 | nezZario | i did not know that was unusual. |
| 15:37.44 | nezZario | let's see... |
| 15:38.07 | greycat | If something in the motherboard actually did get zapped by the power surge, it may be time to buy new hardware. |
| 15:38.23 | nezZario | I just accidentally unplugged it from the power strip trying to plug up a phone. |
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| 15:38.36 | nezZario | Thought I was unplugging a monitor :/ |
| 15:39.16 | nezZario | okay, eh, i'm actually using the pc right now so let's see what happens on a nice clean reboot .. |
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| 15:41.48 | nezZario | Nothing good, still stuck in 1024x768. I'm using xfce, and the xfce "display" gui bit just calls my monitor "default" and doesn't give me the option to switch resolution |
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| 15:42.25 | nezZario | This monitor is fairly new for what it's worth... I've only been using it for about a week and it is much higher resolution that my last one but it wouldn't make sense that it would work flawlessly for a week and then suddenly act up |
| 15:42.27 | greycat | Any errors in the Xorg.0.log? |
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| 15:43.22 | alkisg | nezZario: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 => will upload your xorg log for us to see |
| 15:43.55 | greycat | assuming that's where his log file is |
| 15:44.01 | nezZario | That is amazingly neat ^ |
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| 15:44.09 | nezZario | yes it is, it's mostly crap about the mouse/keyboard, but hang on |
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| 15:45.14 | nezZario | http://termbin.com/cygx |
| 15:45.42 | jhutchins_wk | nezZario: What graphics hardware do you have? Have you installed special drivers for it? |
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| 15:46.29 | deadrom | hi |
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| 15:47.04 | greycat | Looks like it's trying radeon, failing, then falling back to fbdev. |
| 15:47.07 | deadrom | I'm looking at https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit now. It says "install 64bit kernel package and reboot" - *will* it boot at all? All binaries installed are 32bit |
| 15:47.14 | nezZario | Yeah I did remember having to do some kind of special driver. I want to say I'm using the OSS version and not the proprietary one.. |
| 15:47.19 | BanHammor | nezZario, also, you should be worried about the "kms report modesetting is not supported" |
| 15:47.19 | nezZario | Weird why the driver would suddenly act up |
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| 15:47.35 | nezZario | what does that even mean? :/ |
| 15:47.36 | BanHammor | have you upgraded your kernel or messed with grub settings recently? |
| 15:47.46 | nezZario | yeah I did a upgrade overnight hoping to flush this crap out |
| 15:48.02 | BanHammor | so, the problem appeared before you upgraded? |
| 15:48.05 | nezZario | yes |
| 15:48.13 | alkisg | nezZario: what's the output of `ls /boot/vmli* | nc termbin.com 9999` ? |
| 15:48.14 | nezZario | nothing changed |
| 15:48.41 | BanHammor | (the message means that your kernel has disabled KMS support, aka the thing that makes your monitor switch resolutions) |
| 15:48.42 | greycat | Next thing I would look at (after answering alkisg) is "dmesg | grep -i firmware". |
| 15:48.45 | jhutchins_wk | deadrom: Yes, you can run 32bit apps on a 64b kernel. |
| 15:49.06 | jhutchins_wk | deadrom: Keep in mind that "crossgrading" usually doesn't work very well. |
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| 15:50.06 | nezZario | my kernels => http://termbin.com/xd48 .. bit from dmesg => http://termbin.com/1sl2 |
| 15:50.29 | alkisg | nezZario: did you realize you booted with 3.16? |
| 15:50.29 | nezZario | let me try to figure out what card I even have, I don't remember, it's some cheap built in thing |
| 15:50.40 | nezZario | Wait what? |
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| 15:50.46 | nezZario | Why would that even happen |
| 15:50.55 | alkisg | grub configuration or dual booted grub |
| 15:51.05 | nezZario | I bet.. |
| 15:51.17 | nezZario | I wonder if one of my drives failed and the other one hasn't been updated |
| 15:51.40 | alkisg | Try rebooting with the recent one, and see if it works there |
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| 15:52.08 | deadrom | jhutchins_wk, very tailored-to-the-cause VM with mainly a java app server, but lots of user config. rather install over and keep /home? |
| 15:52.43 | greycat | If all your config is in /home instead of via system packages, reinstalling should be much easier than it would be for ... most of us. |
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| 16:03.13 | P4 | Hello. On Debian Jessie (ScrolloutF1 appliance) in netstat I can see many global IP addresses listed in the column of Local Address (https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7950ad29/). These are addresses not owned/managed by me e.g. 8.8.4.4. Is that normal? Where is that coming from? /etc/hosts looks standardly defining only local IP addresses... very strange to me. |
| 16:03.33 | greycat | 8.8.4.4 is one of Google's public DNS resolvers |
| 16:03.45 | P4 | Yes, I know that. My question was different :D |
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| 16:03.53 | nezZario | okay what the heck am I doing wrong here |
| 16:04.19 | P4 | why the hell those addresses are listed as local when they are not! :/ |
| 16:04.32 | nezZario | I rebooted, when grub comes up, i press 'e', use the goofy little editor, changed the 3. whatever to 4.14.0-3 in the two spots it matters (initrd/linux) |
| 16:04.52 | nezZario | and it just says "can't find /boot/vmlinuz-4.14.0-3-amd64" even though it's PLAINLY freaking there |
| 16:04.59 | greycat | P4: any chance you're just misreading it, and the 8.8.4.4 is actually under the Foreign Address column header? |
| 16:05.19 | P4 | please see my paste @ https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7950ad29/ to read yourself. maybe I do misread it... |
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| 16:05.45 | nezZario | I checked three times I wasn't typo'ing it.. |
| 16:06.08 | nezZario | what dumb thing am I doing here? |
| 16:06.11 | greycat | Oh, you used "-l", so you are only seeing things that listen. |
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| 16:06.33 | P4 | nezZario: you should be able to list the drive content from GRUB somehow (cannot recall exact commands). would be good to confirm that you can see those files there |
| 16:06.51 | greycat | let me try to find a jessie box... |
| 16:06.56 | petn-randall | P4: Sounds like your named is severely misconfigured. It's apparently set to listen on 8.8.4.4, amongst many other things. |
| 16:06.58 | P4 | greycat: that is correct. also note that it's all about bind processes |
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| 16:07.09 | nezZario | well hey better idea here.. |
| 16:07.23 | nezZario | if i just wanted to update-grub should I run update-grub or update-grub2? |
| 16:07.24 | P4 | petn-randall: oh, thanks for the hint. this is actually standard configuration of Scrollout F1 virtual appliance |
| 16:07.27 | BanHammor | nezZario, do a grub update. |
| 16:07.35 | BanHammor | <oh sorry i was too late> |
| 16:07.45 | nezZario | yeah I think the whole issue is because /dev/sda is failed and /dev/sdb hasn't been getting grub updates |
| 16:08.00 | greycat | P4: ... are you *intercepting requests meant for google* ?? On purpose? |
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| 16:08.24 | nezZario | going to just hope this works, .. hang on |
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| 16:09.50 | P4 | greycat: this I could achieve differently on the L2. I just want to setup local mail relay to process mails sent from localnet and chose Scrollout F1 which is based on a Debian Jessie for that. investigating named configuration now. I would be surprised if vendor configured it that way... |
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| 16:11.28 | rs3 | Apologies if my inquiry should go elsewhere...but when installing Steam I'm advised to install 32-bit OpenGL libraries for my Nvidia graphics, and I'm prompted to remove 64-bit libraries; reinstalling the 64-bit libraries removes the 32-bit. I'm afraid to reboot with the 64-bit libraries uninstalled; should they be able to coexist, or should I just leave the 32-bit libraries in place for playing games with |
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| 16:11.34 | rs3 | Steam? Thank you! |
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| 16:12.01 | petn-randall | rs3: On Debian? |
| 16:12.04 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 16:12.04 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:12.15 | petn-randall | rs3: If yes, can you please provide all of the above in a single paste? ^^^ |
| 16:12.40 | P4 | petn-randall: grep -rni liste /etc/bind/ returns only listen-on port 53 { any; }; and listen-on-v6 port 53 { any; }; in named.conf.options |
| 16:13.09 | rs3 | petn-randall: Sorry, yes, on Debian 9.3 amd64. I'll put that stuff together in a paste now. Thank you |
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| 16:15.29 | P4 | omg, what the hell is that! I can see all those IP addresses listed in quagga configs... thanks for hints. I'm about to contact Scrollout F1 for explanations or look for some docs there. Also sorry for asking in this channel. |
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| 16:17.12 | nezZario | I'm so confused. |
| 16:17.22 | rs3 | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1c998b88/ |
| 16:18.11 | nezZario | Okay so I booted back up into grub, dropped to the little console. It shows something like, ... lvm/ md0/ (hda1) and so on. and from what I could understand, I think I was actually listing these drives, ... it doesn't show the nwere 4.x kernel in any of the boot directories within |
| 16:18.17 | nezZario | I do have two drives here |
| 16:18.40 | nezZario | they're suppose to be on RAID1 but /proc/mdstat is only showing one drive. but the other drive isn't actually falied |
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| 16:18.59 | nezZario | No idea what the hell is going on this is just strange |
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| 16:22.58 | P4 | sb says "Quagga is not critical. Is trying to set public DNS IPs as local (on lo interface) in order to avoid using public DNS for RBLs (results are poor to null)". To me that's a cheap approach very much for achieving that... |
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| 16:24.16 | greycat | All this instead of just setting up a local dnscache or whatever... so confusing... so much unnecessary and ridiculous work.... |
| 16:24.26 | P4 | true |
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| 16:29.29 | nezZario | okay solid question here |
| 16:30.03 | nezZario | if I am going to run grub-install, ... should I run that on the whole disk (/dev/sda), or the particular partition, or the mdadm device (/dev/md0) or the lvm device that sits on that mdadm device? :) |
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| 16:30.32 | Haohmaru | so many choices :/ |
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| 16:30.46 | antoszka | nezZario: BIOS or UEFI? |
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| 16:30.51 | nezZario | The only thing I can figure is I am booting from an out of date drive somehow... So I re-added /dev/sda to the mdadm array (don't know why the hell it was removed in the first place?) |
| 16:30.51 | greycat | I've never understood the concept of installing a boot loader on a partition. It doesn't even make sense conceptually to me. I must be missing something. Firmware/BIOS boots from a DISK, not a partition, right? |
| 16:30.52 | nezZario | UEFI |
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| 16:31.26 | antoszka | nezZario: then the device you're booting from (probably /dev/sda) |
| 16:31.34 | Haohmaru | greycat all i know is there is one "bootable" partition on the hard disk |
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| 16:31.55 | antoszka | nezZario: and make sure you have all the uefi related stuff mounted (you probably do if you're running the automated installer) |
| 16:31.57 | Haohmaru | but i might be mixing things up |
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| 16:32.28 | greycat | The "bootable" flag is mostly a legacy Microsoft thing, as far as I understand. |
| 16:32.32 | antoszka | yep |
| 16:32.51 | Haohmaru | on the other hand, i know there's the "MBR" |
| 16:33.04 | Haohmaru | so i guess anything that should "boot" must start from there |
| 16:33.16 | Haohmaru | and a hard disk has one such MBR ;P~ |
| 16:33.19 | greycat | Yes, the "MBR" is where the boot loader is supposed to go, in pre-UEFI setups. |
| 16:33.35 | greycat | The "MBR" is just the first few bytes of the disk, before any partitions. |
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| 16:34.09 | Haohmaru | also, isn't MBR only valid when the partition table is for "DOS" ? |
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| 16:34.14 | Haohmaru | but i gotta go |
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| 16:34.26 | antoszka | greycat: well, in the BIOS world it actually shares the first 512 bytes with the dos-style partition table |
| 16:34.30 | antoszka | greycat: but nvm |
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| 16:40.49 | lispmacs | hi, does somebody know what would be a good tool for simply streaming the output of a shell command across the network and reading it into a file on the other side? |
| 16:41.57 | greycat | mycmd | ssh user@host 'cat > file' |
| 16:42.10 | greycat | or >> file if you wanted to append |
| 16:42.29 | nezZario | I'm not running the installer |
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| 16:42.57 | nezZario | I don't know, I just re-added /dev/sda to the RAID, I just hope this fixes it, I really have no idea what's going on, been having issues since yesterday evening |
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| 16:46.05 | nezZario | sweet, sweet 2560x1440! |
| 16:46.23 | nezZario | and wifi that can go faster than a few dozen kb/sec |
| 16:46.44 | lispmacs | greycat: ok, thx |
| 16:46.45 | nezZario | thank you SO much whoever pointed out i was running the old kernel. and everyone else that helped. holy crap |
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| 16:47.07 | nezZario | now i just have a morning's worth of development to catch up on. thanks so so much again. |
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| 16:56.29 | lispmacs | greycat: i think i just found a better way to do what I want with netcat |
| 16:57.05 | lispmacs | maybe |
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| 16:57.48 | franlol | hey, i just installed Debian (i usually use other distros) and im looking for inetd. Is not installed by default? |
| 16:57.57 | greycat | I promise you it's not *better*. |
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| 16:59.27 | lispmacs | greycat: well, with ssh I've got to deal with authentication, whereas with netcat I can just listen for the incoming connect. Not as secure, for sure, but simpler |
| 16:59.59 | franlol | anyone can answer my question? :) |
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| 17:03.37 | jhutchins_wk | franlol: xinetd |
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| 17:04.05 | jhutchins_wk | franlol: Actually, intetd. |
| 17:06.33 | jhutchins_wk | franlol: The package is xinetd, the utils just say inetd. I believe it's not installed as a default for desktops, it may be automatically installed for some server tasks. |
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| 17:07.10 | jhutchins_wk | franlol: What are you planning to run with it? |
| 17:10.03 | mandeep | so it seems that the yubico-pam package is in maintenance mode, should i be using a different package for yubikey auth?? |
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| 17:16.07 | franlol | jhutchins_wk im doing some homeworks for my server assignature and i have to know the use of inetd, pros and cons :) |
| 17:16.32 | franlol | i just for try, im not planning run something |
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| 17:17.30 | jhutchins_wk | franlol: You'll find a lot of the information is under "tcp wrappers" - google has good results. |
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| 17:18.04 | franlol | ty man! im gonna check it |
| 17:18.04 | greycat | inetd is the legacy "superserver" that listens to umpteen dozen ports and launches programs as configured in /etc/inetd.conf for each port. Very poor design. |
| 17:18.11 | jhutchins_wk | franlol: They're not used much any more as most of the network capable apps have built-in sercurity now, and the ones that don't aren't much used. |
| 17:18.45 | greycat | If your class is teaching you about inetd, I hope it is teaching you why we don't use it any more. |
| 17:18.46 | jhutchins_wk | It was a band-aid when unsecured apps were suddenly facing a hostile internet. |
| 17:18.50 | franlol | i have read that is usefull for example to run a security against port scan ... |
| 17:19.02 | greycat | what |
| 17:19.14 | greycat | you mean some kind of tarpit? stupid. it's stupid. |
| 17:20.13 | greycat | or maybe you mean a reverse tarpit, something that appears to be listening to EVERY SINGLE PORT, because it is, but then most of them do nothing? Again, stupid. |
| 17:20.23 | jhutchins_wk | franlol: You may also find some documentation relevant to your class at tldp.org |
| 17:20.32 | greycat | *shudder* |
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| 17:21.41 | greycat | Move sshd to a different port to stop the billion hits from Chinese script kiddies. Then simply turn off every service you do not actually need. |
| 17:22.02 | greycat | Stay up to date on security patches. |
| 17:22.29 | hbautista | greycat, or you can use, I don't know, a firewall ? |
| 17:23.23 | greycat | Notice how none of these answers involve a monolithic inetd listening on dozens or hundreds or thousands of ports. |
| 17:25.30 | greycat | ,info openbsd-inetd |
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| 17:25.31 | judd | Package openbsd-inetd (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: OpenBSD Internet Superserver. Version: 0.20160825-2; Size: 35.1k; Installed: 83k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/openbsd-inetd |
| 17:25.34 | greycat | If you REALLY need it. |
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| 17:31.41 | alkisg | greycat: actually inetd design was superb, and it's what systemd is also using currently... that's a long chat, but if anyone's interested there's some thoughts on http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/inetd.html |
| 17:32.13 | alkisg | It's waay more efficient to have one app listen to 100 ports, than 100 daemons listen in case they might ever be needed |
| 17:32.42 | jhutchins_wk | ,info xinetd |
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| 17:32.43 | judd | Package xinetd (net, extra) in stretch/amd64: replacement for inetd with many enhancements. Version: 1:2.3.15-7; Size: 130.1k; Installed: 309k; Homepage: https://github.com/xinetd-org/xinetd |
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| 17:33.06 | RoyK | alkisg: and those daemonds will come back at you, against God etc |
| 17:34.16 | petn-randall | alkisg: That's not what your link is about, though. It's a tutorial to convert xinetd config to systemd units. I doubt you could run a webserver efficiently like that. |
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| 17:35.50 | alkisg | petn-randall: it explains the 3 different methods to do socket activation, with their benefits etc; it's the theory that matters, not the conversion of configuration files |
| 17:36.04 | n4dir | hbautista: even if you use a firewall setting the sshd port to non-default sure won't hurt. |
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| 17:36.48 | alkisg | petn-randall: if you read them, you'll know which method has overhead and which not at all |
| 17:37.11 | hbautista | n4dir, indeed, also you can use ssh keys instead of passwords, allow only few IP's, etc.. |
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| 17:38.32 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 17:51.41 | galex-713_ | How do you know what a source package gives as binary packages? |
| 17:52.09 | galex-713_ | Like if I have zlib1g, and download its source, then Iâd like to know what are the binary packages, if several, that are generated from this single source |
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| 17:54.16 | jhutchins_wk | galex-713_: Probably look for documentation wherever you get the source package from. |
| 17:54.52 | jhutchins_wk | galex-713_: There is usually a README and/or INSTALL file that will explain the build process (if it's good quality code). |
| 17:55.16 | greycat | He means a debian source, not an upstream source. |
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| 17:56.37 | jhutchins_wk | In that case, he would look at the binary package, no? |
| 17:58.03 | greycat | galex-713_: https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/zlib |
| 17:58.14 | galex-713_ | like I want this informations: https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/zlib |
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| 17:58.19 | galex-713_ | automatically, without web ui |
| 17:58.22 | galex-713_ | through cli |
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| 17:58.43 | galex-713_ | oh, you took the same link as I did |
| 17:58.50 | galex-713_ | except Iâd like to retrieve such informations with apt |
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| 17:59.15 | galex-713_ | Iâm dissatisfied at using the web, because it can uselessly depends on the internet, and is heavy |
| 17:59.38 | galex-713_ | jhutchins_wk: greycat: ^ |
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| 18:00.27 | greycat | galex-713_: WHY do you need this information in a script? |
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| 18:01.12 | galex-713_ | no, I donât like the web and I feels like if the debian websites can get it, I can probably get it without the debian website |
| 18:01.21 | galex-713_ | not too much complicatedly |
| 18:01.22 | galex-713_ | I hope |
| 18:01.42 | galex-713_ | I often need this website and Iâm unhappy with that |
| 18:01.47 | greycat | galex-713_: what are you trying to DO? |
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| 18:01.57 | galex-713_ | to have this information |
| 18:02.03 | greycat | WHY |
| 18:02.11 | galex-713_ | I just want this information to answer accordingly and with correct information to an email |
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| 18:02.44 | galex-713_ | because someone pointed me to a tool and I want to be sure itâs not packaged by debian because like debian took the source, and only took all the binaries besides the one I want |
| 18:02.51 | greycat | Then there's nothing more we can POSSIBLY say to you. You've built up a strawman problem in your mind according to your mental model of the person who ACTUALLY wants to do something. |
| 18:03.10 | greycat | And you don't know what the goal is, and we don't know what the goal is, so there is no point in continuing. |
| 18:03.28 | galex-713_ | whatâs a strawman? |
| 18:03.57 | galex-713_ | the goal is writting an email with information and getting this information about a source package |
| 18:04.02 | hypn0 | https://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/ something like this? |
| 18:04.30 | galex-713_ | I mean, I just want to know where do |
| 18:04.34 | galex-713_ | hypn0: no not graphical |
| 18:05.20 | galex-713_ | I mean, I just want to know where do go all the compiled source files, like for instance i can do apt source, and if I well understood by following a compilation procedure it would produce several .deb accordingly, well Iâd like to know the name of these .deb without having to compile them |
| 18:05.47 | hypn0 | apt-cache rdepends packagename <this |
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| 18:06.19 | alkisg | galex-713_: check in debian/control of the source package, it lists the generated binary debs there |
| 18:06.24 | jelly | which tool? Which package are you missing in Debian? <galex-713_> because someone pointed me to a tool and I want to be sure itâs not packaged by debian because like debian took the source, and only took all the binaries besides the one I want |
| 18:06.47 | galex-713_ | and if after compiling them the system can get somewhere their package name from this source file, and if the debian website can get these names from the source package name I suppose I can |
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| 18:06.57 | greycat | oh, he started changing the question after I /ignored him? cute. |
| 18:07.00 | galex-713_ | hypn0: doesnât work with source packages |
| 18:07.06 | galex-713_ | alkisg: oh thanks Iâm looking |
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| 18:07.14 | jelly | galex-713_: which tool precisely? which package are you missing in Debian's build? |
| 18:07.41 | galex-713_ | alkisg: oh thank you itâs exactely that! |
| 18:07.46 | alkisg | np |
| 18:08.03 | galex-713_ | is there a normalized way to get it through apt, apt-get or apt-cache without doing apt-source then less? I would be even more satisfied ^^ |
| 18:08.17 | galex-713_ | jelly: gzlog |
| 18:08.37 | alkisg | galex-713_: the information is in /var/lib/apt/lists, but I don't know if some tool shows them the way you want |
| 18:09.31 | galex-713_ | I know itâs not packaged because apt search and apt-file search did return nothing, but I want to be able to as well showing a shell command that show all the binaries produced by the source package, with the absence of gzlog in them, while gzlog.c is present in the source package |
| 18:09.58 | jelly | galex-713_: and gzlog is supposed to be part of which source package? |
| 18:10.05 | galex-713_ | jelly: zlib |
| 18:10.25 | jelly | judd: file bin/gzlog |
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| 18:10.28 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 18:10.31 | jelly | judd: file bin/zlog |
| 18:10.35 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 18:10.49 | galex-713_ | I did apt source zlib (which can gives zlib1g for instance) and there gzlog.c in it |
| 18:10.51 | alkisg | Many .c files can form a single binary. Not each .c file maps to an executable, and much less a package. |
| 18:10.52 | jelly | galex-713_: what is it supposed to do? |
| 18:12.10 | galex-713_ | jelly: rather complex to say⦠it takes small input of data, for instance small lines per line delayed output, and write it as âuncompressed blockâ to a gz file, and then the total uncompressed blocks are more than 1MB, afaik, it compress them and replace them with the compressed blocks, then it keeps adding uncompressed stuff and compress them all 1MB or so |
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| 18:12.55 | galex-713_ | alkisg: Mark Adler pointed me to gzlog.h while saying âan utilityâ, therefore I deduce this along with gzlog.c gives an utility |
| 18:13.05 | alkisg | galex-713_: dpkg -L zlib1g => shows you the contents of the package |
| 18:13.14 | alkisg | It's a library. You can create .c files that use the library. |
| 18:13.22 | jelly | galex-713_: you do realize gzlog.c is example code and not code for a working program? There's no main() |
| 18:13.23 | alkisg | examples/gzlog.c is an example of how to do it |
| 18:13.50 | galex-713_ | alkisg: it is in the âexamples/â directory, and I think having something being part of the âexampleâ programs of a package, often meaning it to be not that useful besides for testing, can be considered a reason worth not packaging |
| 18:13.57 | galex-713_ | maybe even make install doesnât install it |
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| 18:14.16 | galex-713_ | alkisg: yes but only zlib1g, not any binary coming from zlib source file |
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| 18:14.41 | alkisg | galex-713_: this is what libraries are. "binaries" but not "executable programs", not applications. |
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| 18:14.49 | jelly | galex-713_: and it's packaged as-is in -dev package? |
| 18:14.50 | alkisg | You can use them but you can't run them |
| 18:14.59 | jelly | judd: file gzlog.c* |
| 18:15.03 | judd | Search for gzlog.c* in stretch/amd64: zlib1g-dev: usr/share/doc/zlib1g-dev/examples/gzlog.c.gz |
| 18:15.35 | jelly | galex-713_: use apt-file to search for uninstalled package contents. |
| 18:15.49 | galex-713_ | from debian/control I can see there are the packages zlib1g zlib1g-dev zlib1g-dbg zlib1g-udeb lib64z1 lib64z1-dev lib32z1 lib32z1-dev libn32z1 libn32z1-dev (sed -ne 's/^Package: \(.*\)$/\1/p' zlib-1.2.8.dfsg/debian/control) |
| 18:15.58 | jelly | or use the handy judd bot |
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| 18:16.18 | galex-713_ | alkisg: I think gzlog is not a library, because I indicated him I was using shellscript |
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| 18:16.40 | greycat | 13:02 galex-713_> I just want this information to answer accordingly and with correct information to an email |
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| 18:16.53 | jelly | galex-713_: there never was a binary built just from that example |
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| 18:17.05 | galex-713_ | jelly: I know about apt-file, thatâs the first way I had to know it was not packaged, and it is really nice in fact |
| 18:17.17 | jelly | galex-713_: it is packaged. |
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| 18:18.10 | jelly | galex-713_: it's not compiled, however, becuase it's not a complete app. It's just some example code. |
| 18:18.22 | jelly | galex-713_: that example code IS packaged. |
| 18:19.02 | galex-713_ | oh but in fact it is |
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| 18:19.07 | galex-713_ | and it doesnât have a main |
| 18:19.14 | galex-713_ | so itâs in fact not a proper utility |
| 18:19.29 | galex-713_ | okayyyy I get it |
| 18:19.47 | galex-713_ | strange I missed it at first |
| 18:19.50 | galex-713_ | maybe a typo? |
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| 18:20.47 | galex-713_ | jelly: thank you for making me noticing this |
| 18:22.54 | galex-713_ | yet, that problem interested me a lot: how can I, from an apt* cli utility, get the list of packages listed in debian/control in the source file? are there apt* utility for source files that do something else than downloading and/or building? such as querying metadata? |
| 18:24.06 | jelly | reading is HARD |
| 18:24.09 | n4dir | galex-713_: i wouldn't bet, but earlier you said you would need the info from the webpage from within a shellscript. lynx --dump -nolist ; came to my mind, but i would not know how to extract only the names of the binaries. |
| 18:25.01 | greycat | n4dir: look like an X-Y-Z-Omega-etc. problem. |
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| 18:25.35 | jelly | galex-713_: aptitude can do a search based on source package name. |
| 18:25.43 | n4dir | greycat: well, it only came to my mind. You don't hear often about the lynx "trick" |
| 18:25.56 | greycat | He said his sole purpose was to answer a question he got in an email and then I /ignored him and then jelly was talking about judd and rdepends and sample C source code and all kinds of crap, so god only knows what he changed the question to. |
| 18:26.16 | galex-713_ | n4dir: extracting the names wouldnât be that difficult I guess, but what Iâd like is some tool using sources.list deb/deb-src to get metadata about source packages |
| 18:26.21 | n4dir | yeah i got lost too. but i assumed it was me ... |
| 18:26.37 | jelly | greycat: they thought debian did not package a built binary (that was actually never built) |
| 18:26.46 | n4dir | galex-713_: yup, i got you. I only made a side note. |
| 18:26.50 | jelly | (and that could not be built) |
| 18:27.28 | greycat | So how did he get from "where is the binary for sample.c" to "How do I see which binary packages come out of a given source package" to "I am only responding to an email question and have no actual goal"... |
| 18:27.30 | jelly | and there was an implication someone else somewhere did in fact build and package that tool, which seems unlikely |
| 18:27.31 | galex-713_ | n4dir: yes, yet a pertinent note :) didnât know about the lynx trick ^^ usually I do wget -O- and sed the output, which is much more complicated ^^' |
| 18:28.02 | jelly | greycat: if you wanted to know you'd unignore. I take you don't really want to know. |
| 18:28.03 | n4dir | hail to the mighty mywiki.wooledge.org :-) |
| 18:28.34 | galex-713_ | I actually did misread the mail, he really said âI wrote something called gzlogâ, and I extrapolated it was an utility |
| 18:29.05 | greycat | n4dir: "/msg greybot faq html" does have at least one trick involving Lynx |
| 18:29.09 | jelly | galex-713_: so you misread at least two things today! |
| 18:29.32 | galex-713_ | OH I FOUND IT |
| 18:29.43 | galex-713_ | the exact thing I was searching for since the beginning |
| 18:29.59 | galex-713_ | thank to jelly |
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| 18:30.12 | galex-713_ | in fact, aptitude has, right on its manpage, the âshowsrcâ command |
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| 18:30.31 | galex-713_ | in its manpage it says itâs from the apt command |
| 18:30.40 | galex-713_ | and turns out in fact apt *does* have a showsrc command |
| 18:30.48 | galex-713_ | which does exactely what I wanted to do! :D |
| 18:30.49 | galex-713_ | \o/ |
| 18:30.56 | galex-713_ | jelly: thank you a lot! |
| 18:31.00 | n4dir | greycat: if you use the searchbar at wooledge. i think you get two results for lynx. But i am pretty sure someone at #bash helped me (and i found it at wooledge or from greybot later) |
| 18:31.57 | n4dir | ah, yeah, greybot html links to what i meant |
| 18:32.36 | greycat | /msg greybot pony # also recommended reading |
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| 18:33.22 | n4dir | thanks. pretty sure i won't need it anytime soon, but if yes, i do know what to ask for. |
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| 18:34.36 | annadane | bahahahaa. |
| 18:34.47 | galex-713_ | jelly, alkisg, n4dir, hypn0 in general, thank you a lot for your dedication to helping ^^ |
| 18:34.56 | annadane | forgot about that gem |
| 18:34.57 | alkisg | np |
| 18:35.15 | greycat | In #bash we can never forget. |
| 18:35.22 | galex-713_ | also: jelly: alkisg: greycat (if you unignored me since then): also thank you for your actual help and useful informations ^^ |
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| 18:37.56 | galex-713_ | Btw, while Iâm at learning doing stuff without the debian website, would there be a clean way to search for debian packages in all archs and all suites and all versions, like the website does? what would be the proper, clean way? would adding all the lines and source lines to sources.list with a special pinning to say not to install anything from them yet get their db through apt update be ok? |
| 18:39.29 | jelly | !udd |
| 18:39.29 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
| 18:39.34 | jelly | probably |
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| 18:40.14 | galex-713_ | I mean so that I can do that through a cli utility? |
| 18:40.16 | galex-713_ | like apt search |
| 18:40.39 | jelly | galex-713_: I'm pretty sure you can do a postgresql SELECT from cli |
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| 18:40.47 | galex-713_ | yet that would maybe mean apt search would no longer discriminate between installable and not anymore packaged/not installable because non-free/etc. packages :/ |
| 18:40.58 | galex-713_ | myeah⦠|
| 18:41.03 | greycat | You can, via the psql command. |
| 18:41.06 | galex-713_ | thatâs not exactely how I hoped it ^^' |
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| 18:41.19 | galex-713_ | like some <command> search <package> directly |
| 18:41.27 | galex-713_ | of course I can still write a wrapper around a psql command |
| 18:41.37 | jelly | that's all SELECT does |
| 18:41.46 | jelly | are you complaining about syntax? |
| 18:41.53 | greycat | echo 'select whatever;' | psql [options] dbname |
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| 18:41.57 | galex-713_ | isnât it SELECT *something* FROM <somedb> |
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| 18:42.35 | galex-713_ | jelly: a little yes, but itâs actually more a matter of that I like simple standard things, but maybe Iâm asking too much or this is not allowed with standard apt utilities, which I donât find unreasonnable |
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| 18:43.07 | galex-713_ | like âis it the right thingâ instead of âdoes it just worksâ |
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| 18:43.18 | galex-713_ | after all, I could just as well use the website |
| 18:43.19 | jelly | Postgres is pretty standard in its SQL dialect. |
| 18:43.27 | galex-713_ | but of course an offline database is always better |
| 18:43.29 | jelly | we're not talking about mysql |
| 18:43.45 | jelly | or you could ask the bot. |
| 18:43.58 | galex-713_ | jelly: yeah, and if package management was all done using sql command that would completely satisfy me |
| 18:44.27 | jelly | galex-713_: package management does not require dealing with sources at all |
| 18:44.33 | galex-713_ | but since itâs not, and Iâm really maniac about consistance, Iâd so much like a utility standard like â[â¦]search <package>â |
| 18:44.49 | jelly | I'd like a pony! |
| 18:44.54 | galex-713_ | jelly: no in fact but since it works a bit the same way ^^ (with deb-src, apt update, apt stuff, etc.) |
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| 18:45.00 | galex-713_ | yeah I know |
| 18:45.18 | galex-713_ | what does the bot behind the scene? and the website? querying that sql database? |
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| 18:45.41 | galex-713_ | you said it was an effort, does it mean itâs not finished or experimental? |
| 18:45.42 | jelly | judd queries a local copy of UDD and some more stuff |
| 18:46.15 | greycat | Did You Know: the last three letters of judd are UDD |
| 18:46.20 | jelly | !judd |
| 18:46.20 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for detailed information, or ask me about <judd-packages>, <judd-hardware>, <source judd>. |
| 18:46.50 | galex-713_ | jelly: and the website too? |
| 18:46.57 | galex-713_ | then maybe thatâs the way to go in fact |
| 18:47.06 | jelly | galex-713_: I have no idea what the website does |
| 18:47.24 | galex-713_ | okay |
| 18:47.28 | galex-713_ | maybe I should ask them |
| 18:47.31 | galex-713_ | find some contact info |
| 18:48.04 | galex-713_ | etc. |
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| 18:49.56 | galex-713_ | oh thereâs a git |
| 18:50.05 | galex-713_ | letâs search there first |
| 18:50.10 | n4dir | !udd |
| 18:50.11 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
| 18:50.24 | n4dir | the entry at wiki.debian.org seems to offer some useful info |
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| 18:51.01 | galex-713_ | oh yeah, only did take a look at the latter link, the udd.debian one |
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| 18:54.37 | galex-713_ | mmmh it seems pretty huge |
| 18:54.41 | galex-713_ | including bug reports too |
| 18:54.42 | galex-713_ | etc. |
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| 18:56.10 | n4dir | gotta say that i usually get away with apt-cache search. But to each his own. |
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| 18:56.57 | galex-713_ | n4dir: Iâd largely prefer apt-cache search, but it canât research for all version and all architectures, since it has only the current ones in sources.list |
| 18:57.19 | n4dir | yeah, got that. Well: i don't need such info. :-) |
| 18:57.56 | jelly | galex-713_: you do realize apt-cache gets all this info from an online source as well, at apt-get update |
| 18:58.33 | jelly | so what's the bloody difference between using apt-cache and looking at the same info via a web interface |
| 18:59.13 | jelly | galex-713_: are you going to be on a desert island with only a local offsite copy of apt cache? |
| 18:59.22 | galex-713_ | jelly: apt-cache uses only what comes from apt-get update which comes from sources.list |
| 18:59.35 | galex-713_ | yet, sources.list contains only info relative to stable, on my systeç |
| 18:59.49 | galex-713_ | so it wonât be able to know that, for instance, recover was packaged under oldoldstable (wheezy) |
| 19:00.25 | jelly | galex-713_: what do you use that information for? |
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| 19:00.48 | n4dir | i fail to see why i should care if a certain package is available for, say, kFreeBSD, if i don't run that thing (or old-stable, or whatever you could think of). |
| 19:01.01 | greycat | 13:01 greycat> galex-713_: what are you trying to DO? |
| 19:01.07 | jelly | yes. |
| 19:01.14 | jelly | !goal |
| 19:01.14 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 19:01.16 | greycat | One hour mark! |
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| 19:01.39 | jelly | it's not as if anyone else is asking any questions |
| 19:02.38 | galex-713_ | n4dir: last time I used this it was because I did read somewhere recover was packaged under debian, yet I couldnât find it, so the web interface allowed me to find out it wasnât since wheezy |
| 19:03.02 | galex-713_ | I would have liked to have been able to do/learn the same thing through cli instead of web ui |
| 19:03.17 | jelly | galex-713_: judd has a cli. |
| 19:03.28 | jelly | you access the CLI over irc |
| 19:03.33 | jelly | ,bug rm recover |
| 19:03.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/735858 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: recover -- RoM; abandoned-upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-01-18; last modified: 2014-02-18. |
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| 19:03.54 | jelly | like that, or better, by /msg judd stuff |
| 19:04.11 | galex-713_ | yay but iâd like the same information, without the internet at all |
| 19:04.14 | jelly | WHY |
| 19:04.18 | galex-713_ | judd is yet better than the website |
| 19:04.18 | n4dir | galex-713_: not saying it doesn't make any sense to you. just saying that i for one don't need such (probably as most of the time i am too lazy to figure things out) |
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| 19:05.08 | jelly | galex-713_: which real-life situation are you ever going to have where you need offline UDD info and act on it offline? |
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| 19:07.44 | jelly | galex-713_: answer that with a plausible example and you MIGHT receive a dd-copy of whole judd VM disk, ready for your offline perusal! Play today! |
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| 19:07.49 | galex-713_ | jelly: when someone asks me something like that afk and Iâm offline? |
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| 19:08.10 | n4dir | "i don't know". case closed. |
| 19:08.30 | jelly | galex-713_: are they going to be able to do anything with that info while offline? |
| 19:08.48 | galex-713_ | no but once online they will |
| 19:09.02 | galex-713_ | but I prefer being able to help then right away rather than saying them âask judd on ircâ |
| 19:09.04 | jelly | galex-713_: then they can ask it WHEN THEY GET ONLINE, on their own |
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| 19:09.13 | greycat | He lives in a cavern with no escape, patrolled by random quizbots that demand answers at unpredictable times! |
| 19:09.29 | n4dir | lol. |
| 19:09.35 | galex-713_ | also I generally doesnât like using the internet when itâs not necessary, just as I donât like SaaSS, which judd almost is, itâs free software |
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| 19:10.59 | jelly | galex-713_: what you like and what solves the problem can be two different things |
| 19:11.34 | galex-713_ | if the problem is that I have to use something I dislike then it cannot |
| 19:11.57 | jelly | sure, but this channel is not here to tell you things that you like :-) |
| 19:12.09 | greycat | The quizbots taser him if he cannot answer. |
| 19:12.10 | jelly | we mostly solve problems |
| 19:12.19 | jelly | or try to |
| 19:12.35 | n4dir | so this boils down to the question if the whole UDD can be downloaded ? |
| 19:13.02 | jelly | I think this answer does not deserve a free judd VM clone. |
| 19:13.10 | mnuhmnuh | SaaSS? and what's wrong with judd? i love udd! |
| 19:14.23 | galex-713_ | itâs really near SaaSS |
| 19:14.29 | greycat | dpkg, saass |
| 19:14.30 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, greycat |
| 19:14.31 | jelly | it's SaaS. |
| 19:14.35 | greycat | dpkg, saas |
| 19:14.35 | dpkg | greycat: i haven't a clue |
| 19:14.56 | greycat | Shave and a Shaircut? |
| 19:15.26 | mnuhmnuh | software as a service? |
| 19:15.31 | hsiktas | Debian is now available in the Windows Store :) |
| 19:15.42 | hsiktas | with that WSL-thing from Windows 10 |
| 19:15.43 | jelly | all bots that provide any kind of response are SAAS, you have an API to access, and something processes API requests and maybe gives a response |
| 19:15.57 | mnuhmnuh | that's ancient stuff, prob. as boring as smtp by now. |
| 19:16.01 | galex-713_ | https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html |
| 19:16.14 | galex-713_ | Software as a service sustitute |
| 19:16.25 | annadane | don't give me none of that sass |
| 19:16.27 | hsiktas | maybe even unstable would run on that... |
| 19:16.30 | jelly | smtp isn't boring! |
| 19:16.41 | galex-713_ | jelly: I prefer cli to bots |
| 19:16.46 | mnuhmnuh | is to me. |
| 19:16.49 | jelly | galex-713_: bots ARE FUCKING CLI |
| 19:16.58 | galex-713_ | sorry, misexpressed |
| 19:17.03 | galex-713_ | I prefer local cli to online bots |
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| 19:17.24 | greycat | I should have used a longer than 1 hour ignore. |
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| 19:18.11 | annadane | this chat is getting sassy |
| 19:18.19 | annadane | i've pretty much exhausted that pun now |
| 19:18.21 | n4dir | for a very small distribution i used said "lynx" to grep if a certain package is in their repository. To keep it easy with their server, i downloaded a list of all packages and did grep the text file. |
| 19:18.22 | jelly | I'm done anyway |
| 19:18.41 | n4dir | i am not sure if the amount of all debian architectures and packages and what not would make that reasonable. |
| 19:18.48 | jelly | ±1 hour |
| 19:20.00 | galex-713_ | n4dir: the ideal thing would be to have offline the content got by apt update if source.list contained all the archs and versions |
| 19:20.55 | n4dir | like said: not sure if it is still reasonable with the amount of debian. And i sure don't know how to exactly do it. |
| 19:21.09 | jelly | galex-713_: so go write it or put all arches and releases in sources.list and see if apt scales. |
| 19:21.42 | mnuhmnuh | galex-713_: you want local control. others prefer somebody else store the data and give access. 6 of one, half doz. of t'other. |
| 19:21.48 | galex-713_ | you really think it would be too slow? |
| 19:21.58 | jelly | !tias |
| 19:21.58 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 19:22.06 | galex-713_ | I didnât thought it |
| 19:22.09 | n4dir | i would assume packages.debian.org would be the way to go ? |
| 19:22.41 | galex-713_ | the main problem I find is, afterwards, how could I do so that I have a *different* command to search packages only for the current version/archs/etc. and one for all of them? |
| 19:23.16 | jelly | galex-713_: you don't have to do this on a system you're actually using. Have a separate chroot. |
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| 19:23.50 | mnuhmnuh | galex-713_: worse, your local copy is out of sync w $out_there copy. rsync diff. |
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| 19:24.05 | galex-713_ | whatâs $out_there? |
| 19:24.15 | mnuhmnuh | net/web |
| 19:24.26 | jelly | galex-713_: don't even have to add arches to sources.list, just dpkg --add-architecture every arch you're interested in except the native one |
| 19:24.26 | galex-713_ | I was thinking it could update each time I do apt update |
| 19:24.28 | greycat | It's full of stars! And porn. |
| 19:25.31 | n4dir | can someone tell me that downloading all of packages.debian.org is a more bad idea than editing sources.list ? |
| 19:25.41 | jelly | galex-713_: and to do it all offline, you will have to achieve it without using apt-get update |
| 19:26.02 | greycat | n4dir: everything that has been said in this channel for the last 90 minutes is a bad idea. |
| 19:26.03 | jelly | because that thing goes on web and reads info from there |
| 19:26.15 | jelly | which is evil apparently |
| 19:26.15 | galex-713_ | the idea is I regularily do apt-get update online, but when Iâm offline I can search whatever I want |
| 19:26.21 | n4dir | greycat: lol. i guess so. just wasting a bit of my time. |
| 19:26.30 | galex-713_ | greycat: even apt(itude) showsrc package? |
| 19:27.10 | greycat | I have no records of showsrc in my /lastlog other than the one you just said right now. |
| 19:27.30 | galex-713_ | greycat: because you were ignoring me when we solved my problem |
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| 19:28.04 | galex-713_ | if you say me the interval of time while you ignored me I could paste you what I said |
| 19:28.08 | greycat | If your problem has been solved, then why are you still proposing horrible things? |
| 19:28.14 | galex-713_ | it started when jelly said something like âaptitude can do itâ |
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| 19:28.30 | galex-713_ | and me searching in aptitude man page, and finding out a command that wasnât in apt man page |
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| 19:29.56 | mnuhmnuh | it all boils down to an ugly interface war. they all work. some are more suited to specific types of users; their prob. |
| 19:30.05 | jelly | galex-713_: /usr/bin/apt is a work-in-progress and has quite a few things missing |
| 19:30.42 | n4dir | i do miss the flamewars aptitude versus apt-get though. |
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| 19:31.08 | galex-713_ | jelly: especially a complete documentation ^^ |
| 19:31.14 | jelly | and I was thinking more of aptitude search syntax, which includes ?source(foo) |
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| 19:31.29 | mnuhmnuh | jelly: i've been told exactly the opposite. it's the grand dame, actively supported, robust as hell, ... |
| 19:31.43 | n4dir | first time i hear that. |
| 19:31.46 | jelly | sorry, ?source-package(foo) |
| 19:32.05 | jelly | mnuhmnuh: that's not what the release notes for stretch say |
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| 19:32.15 | galex-713_ | I donât like that syntax :/ |
| 19:32.23 | galex-713_ | but yet to me aptitude is more powerfull |
| 19:32.38 | galex-713_ | yet I donât know aptitude so I always used apt-get and apt |
| 19:32.44 | galex-713_ | afaik you can search for tags in aptitude |
| 19:32.47 | galex-713_ | I think |
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| 19:33.48 | jelly | I only remember that one because it's the easiest way to purge nvidia drivers |
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| 19:34.05 | jelly | and I have it in history all the time |
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| 19:35.28 | mnuhmnuh | galex-713_: played w debtags? "debtags tagsearch sql" # assuming it interests. |
| 19:35.59 | annadane | i tried apt purge nvidia-driver nvidia-glvnd-whatever-crap etc and all the components a while ago... didn't go well, not recommended |
| 19:36.00 | mnuhmnuh | debtags search "(protocol::db:psql || devel::lang:sql) && (interface::graphical || interface::web)" |
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| 19:44.41 | johnfg | I've got a new install of debian stretch, and am just getting slapd/openldap configured. |
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| 19:45.43 | galex-713_ | mnuhmnuh: oh yeah thanks! I forgot this one |
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| 20:22.50 | areyouloco | !paste |
| 20:22.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:23.22 | mnuhmnuh | though, it is a bit cranky. |
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| 20:25.06 | Lyberta | hi, I want to have 2 installations on my PC and second one should have encrypted root, I installed second one to encrypted partition but now I don't know how to tell GRUB to add this installation to the list, help? |
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| 20:25.29 | Lyberta | I used debootstrap |
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| 20:35.09 | rocketmagnet | hi all, i've a strange problem here, after hitting enter in grub to load my linux it doesn't start the boot proccess before i provide username/pw ... |
| 20:35.17 | maeestro | im trying to install network drivers for a network card (broadcom BCM4352 rev03) with https://wiki.debian.org/wl, but when I run "modprobe wl" it says "modprobe: FATAL: Module wl not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64" |
| 20:35.19 | rocketmagnet | what's that kind of an issue ? |
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| 20:36.37 | rocketmagnet | i find nothing on the web describing this issue :( |
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| 20:37.48 | areyouloco | rocketmagnet: do you have other versions of kernel installed? try booting rescue shell |
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| 20:38.25 | rocketmagnet | i have normal debian 9 stable |
| 20:39.23 | rocketmagnet | i try with rescue mode |
| 20:39.24 | aphotica | for gaming performance, is it worth it to upgrade from stretch to buster/stable to testing? |
| 20:39.32 | rocketmagnet | brb |
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| 20:41.19 | classsict | hi |
| 20:41.41 | deadrom | rocketmagnet, https://wiki.debian.org/wl <- enabled non-free? installed bcm tools, headers etc? |
| 20:41.44 | classsict | is possible extract kernel module to install it on other machine? |
| 20:41.50 | deadrom | oh. he's gone. |
| 20:42.25 | deadrom | classsict, if the kernel version or API and glibc version match, could be, wouldn't bet on it |
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| 20:43.05 | deadrom | maeestro, https://wiki.debian.org/wl <- enabled non-free? installed bcm tools, headers etc? |
| 20:43.36 | maeestro | deadrom: I followed that guide completely |
| 20:44.11 | maeestro | the last step doesnt work, since "Module wl not found in directory (...)" |
| 20:44.25 | maeestro | So the guide is incomplete |
| 20:44.34 | deadrom | maeestro, checked if there is a wl.ko file in the modules dirs? |
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| 20:45.51 | maeestro | deadrom: doesnt look like it |
| 20:46.43 | deadrom | maeestro, build-essential and dkms installed? did you run module-assistant manually? from what I gather dkms builds that module, it doesn't come as a file with a package. so most likely dkms did not build it. possibly dkms logs will tell you, or console output from m-a |
| 20:46.54 | deadrom | used dkms before? |
| 20:47.23 | maeestro | deadrom: I just followed the guide, I am an unexperienced user |
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| 20:47.48 | classsict | yes, I am looking for this module pwm_lpss |
| 20:48.05 | classsict | for use fan control on pcstick |
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| 20:49.43 | carp_ | ah hooray, i dont need to log in to get to this channel again! (it was a week or so ago, a spammer forced it). Anyway, last week I dist_upgraded to Stretch and I just want to say |
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| 20:50.21 | maeestro | deadrom: https://paste.debian.net/1013495/ |
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| 20:51.10 | deadrom | maeestro, ok: dkms is "Dynamic Kernel Module Support", it takes care for tricky 3rd party kernel modules to built when necessary. usually that's modules that are only half-open or not at all and need wrappers to sneak them into the running kernel. since the 3rd party tends to change their stuff a lot, it often fails building or is missing something it needs. so first step is: check if dkms built the module at all, or since it is not there: |
| 20:51.10 | deadrom | why it didn't. google where to find dkms logs and check them out, pastebin them if you can't make anything from it and paste the pastebin link here (paste.debian.net I think) |
| 20:51.17 | carp_ | Thankyou so much to everyone who is involved with Debian in some way, its fantastic. My computer updated without a hitch, I was very impressed. This OS is vital for me so thankyou guys. |
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| 20:51.25 | deadrom | ok, so not *that* unexperienced :) |
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| 20:53.20 | deadrom | maeestro, not an elegant problem solving approach, but did you reboot after that? |
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| 20:53.33 | deadrom | shouldn't be necessary, but who knows |
| 20:53.55 | maeestro | deadrom: I will try, brb |
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| 20:58.32 | maeestro_ | deadrom: Np |
| 20:58.41 | maeestro_ | oh, I meant thanks dude |
| 20:58.44 | mnuhmnuh | maeestro_: aptitude search firmware |
| 20:59.38 | deadrom | maeestro_, works? |
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| 20:59.56 | maeestro_ | deadrom: yeah it works, lol |
| 21:00.00 | maeestro_ | on wifi now |
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| 21:00.38 | mnuhmnuh | well, wtf? t's not supposed to be that easy. |
| 21:01.11 | maeestro_ | I need some drivers for my touchpad though, cant touch it to click, I have to press it |
| 21:01.42 | greycat | !synaptics |
| 21:01.42 | dpkg | As of stretch, the synaptics driver isn't used by GNOME. If your touchpad stopped working in stretch, try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput and removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/07/msg00266.html and https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 21:01.56 | deadrom | maeestro_, heh, that's what I meant, dkms is rather clever but it's not a crazy catch all as everybody handles their things some different way. what hinted me at a reboot is that dkms generated a new ramdisk, the bit that says "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64" etc, so something was modified in the kernel image at boot time already |
| 21:02.43 | annadane | there's also the needrestart package |
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| 21:05.18 | m4rkw | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/vulnerability-affects-half-of-the-internets-email-servers/ is this fixed in debian testing? |
| 21:05.54 | greycat | If you run testing, you have chosen the LEAST secure branch. |
| 21:06.11 | greycat | Is there a CVE? Look up the CVE on the debian security web site. |
| 21:06.12 | jelly | m4rkw, is there a CVE number? |
| 21:06.16 | jelly | hah |
| 21:06.16 | annadane | ^ and also if it was just discovered today (per the date of the article, i haven't really read it) it mostly assuredly won't be patched today |
| 21:06.21 | annadane | but yeah, look up the CVE |
| 21:06.32 | annadane | which i should do, except i'm an idiot, and lazy, and so gave a stupid answer |
| 21:06.55 | greycat | wonders what "half-of-the-internets-email-servers" means. Sendmail? Microsoft Exchange? |
| 21:07.02 | jelly | greycat, exim |
| 21:07.09 | jelly | yes. |
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| 21:07.46 | greycat | What parallel universe have I stumbled into? |
| 21:07.55 | jelly | m4rkw, after you figure out the CVE-year-value look it up on the |
| 21:07.55 | annadane | but yes, testing does not get the quickness of security fixes as stable and unstable do |
| 21:07.58 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 21:07.58 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 21:08.18 | greycat | !cve lookup CVE-2018-6789 |
| 21:08.18 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2018-6789 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-6789 |
| 21:08.30 | jelly | m4rCsi, and don't use testing on servers. |
| 21:08.36 | jelly | sigh |
| 21:08.42 | annadane | "buster, sid, fixed" |
| 21:08.44 | annadane | there you go |
| 21:08.46 | jelly | m4rkw, and don't use testing on servers. |
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| 21:09.32 | Lyberta | jelly, why? what if my code requires GCC 8? how am I supposed to run it on stable? |
| 21:09.53 | greycat | Stop writing code that needs gcc 8. |
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| 21:10.09 | Lyberta | no way, std::filesystem rocks |
| 21:10.11 | jelly | Lyberta, because it's a really crappy platform |
| 21:10.24 | greycat | smells like C++. ask me about C++. go ahead. |
| 21:10.25 | maeestro_ | greycat: can I just use "apt-get remove xserver-xorg..." and apt-get install the new one? I tried but the touchpad isnt working anyways |
| 21:11.01 | greycat | maeestro_: I don't know. I'm not a laptop person. Read the URLs if you have questions. |
| 21:11.10 | Lyberta | greycat, too bad we will be going into offtopic territory |
| 21:11.46 | greycat | !tell Lyberta about sns |
| 21:12.41 | jelly | Lyberta, in my book a stable platform takes precedence over a random language feature |
| 21:12.49 | jelly | but you're probably a developer |
| 21:13.21 | annadane | also it must be said "bug affecting half of email servers" makes for a nice headline people feel they have to click thus generating ad revenue for that website |
| 21:13.32 | annadane | though if it's exim i don't doubt it's half of email |
| 21:13.57 | greycat | I'm honestly shocked that exim has that kind of market dominance. |
| 21:13.57 | Lyberta | greycat, jelly, I guess if I didn't have 50kloc of C++ to maintain I'd go to Rust, I wonder if the very latest Rust installs on stable |
| 21:14.07 | jelly | "yet another exim bug, patch it up nothing to see here people" does not have the same ring to it |
| 21:14.14 | greycat | Why would you target the latest ANYTHING? |
| 21:14.32 | greycat | To ensure that your users have the most miserable experience possible trying to build it? |
| 21:14.43 | Lyberta | because in languages I code the latest version is always better |
| 21:14.47 | jelly | Lyberta, it does not. Firefox release branch is mission on stable because of that |
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| 21:15.12 | jelly | missing* in* stable |
| 21:15.21 | mnuhmnuh | can you still hose an exchange server by sending an attachment named malware.exe.jpg? |
| 21:15.57 | jelly | and devs who can't code without latest everything are a pain to deal with on systems that will hve to be maintained for 3-5 years after their work is done |
| 21:16.01 | greycat | I always thought exim was some quirky thing that only Debian uses. |
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| 21:16.16 | annadane | "only" debian |
| 21:16.21 | jelly | greycat, there are lots of debian installations on a couple HUGE ESPs |
| 21:16.24 | jelly | apparently |
| 21:16.41 | jelly | thus, zillions of domains MX is exim4 |
| 21:17.01 | mnuhmnuh | debian's slowly taking over. wait for it. |
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| 21:17.05 | jelly | the single-process-monolithic-exim4 |
| 21:17.23 | jelly | they did not learn a lot from Sendmail 8 |
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| 21:18.16 | mnuhmnuh | and systemd is working on replacing grub. nothing new here, move along. |
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| 21:18.28 | jelly | mnuhmnuh, don't go there! |
| 21:18.48 | annadane | !editor wars |
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| 21:19.03 | bitessss | when i add new version of a package to my repo using reprepro includedeb the old version of the package gets removed. is there a way for me to keep all versions and just add the new one? |
| 21:19.11 | greycat | !start a boot loader war |
| 21:19.11 | dpkg | elilo rules! |
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| 21:20.19 | jelly | bitessss, that's now how debian repos work |
| 21:20.23 | jelly | not* now |
| 21:20.37 | jelly | gives up on typing today |
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| 21:20.44 | mnuhmnuh | Tony Blair insurgency Rapid Reaction Facility Reyosa Car bomb TDYC ARC |
| 21:20.44 | mnuhmnuh | MI5 Storm Ti Hazmat Industrial spill Hazardous material incident |
| 21:20.44 | mnuhmnuh | outage |
| 21:20.59 | mnuhmnuh | esc-x spook |
| 21:21.13 | jelly | mnuhmnuh, #debian-offtopic |
| 21:21.38 | bitessss | you can't have multiple versions of the same package in one repo? |
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| 21:21.49 | greycat | You can if they have different names. |
| 21:22.10 | bitessss | the .deb files have different names, not the package itself. |
| 21:22.14 | greycat | e.g. tcl8.5 and tcl8.6 |
| 21:22.23 | bitessss | alright |
| 21:22.23 | jelly | then they're not same packages |
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| 21:23.04 | greycat | Well... yes, but you could trivially make two packages that are identical except they have different names and use different versions of the original source tarball. |
| 21:23.37 | jelly | and you could build Packages files in a repo in a similar "trivial" and yet nonstandard way, arguably |
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| 21:24.07 | jelly | but usual Debian tools don't do that |
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| 21:26.04 | mnuhmnuh | jelly: sure they can, but usual debian processes catch and stop that sort of corruption, we hope. |
| 21:26.05 | bitessss | i don't have an example in the debian mirrors, but docker-ce from upstream has what i want. apt-cache policy docker-ce shows multiple versions from the same repo. |
| 21:26.09 | Lyberta | jelly, if you use only latest std features, your code will work for about 10 years usually |
| 21:26.18 | Lyberta | when it comes to C++ |
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| 21:26.56 | MrKeuner | How can I change the behaviour epiphany opening when I type a search string in the gnome-tool search box? |
| 21:27.03 | jelly | Lyberta, Debian has a 5 year lifetime. So you can safely use C++14 only. |
| 21:27.22 | MrKeuner | xdg? |
| 21:27.27 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i have a very strange issue - after selecting my grub image to load i get prompted by a username and password AND IT ALSO BOOT NORMALY IF I PROVIDE NO PASSWORD AT ALL ... then the boot starts |
| 21:27.37 | rocketmagnet | im on debian 9 stable |
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| 21:27.48 | OS-33172 | hallo |
| 21:28.03 | Lyberta | jelly, which is much worse than C++17 |
| 21:28.11 | Lyberta | well, for me |
| 21:28.12 | MrKeuner | xdg-open "http://duckduckgo.com/" opens in Firefox not Epiphany |
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| 21:28.20 | greycat | It's C++ so it's ALL shit. |
| 21:28.27 | Lyberta | oh u |
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| 21:30.03 | jelly | Lyberta, then you want a different stable platform. Sadly I don't think there's one with a release cycle of less than two years. |
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| 21:30.38 | jelly | but hey, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is out next month, maybe it has gcc8 |
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| 21:31.31 | rocketmagnet | reboot |
| 21:31.31 | jelly | ,v g |
| 21:31.32 | judd | No package named 'g' was found in amd64. |
| 21:31.35 | Lyberta | probably |
| 21:31.35 | jelly | ,v g++0 |
| 21:31.36 | judd | No package named 'g++0' was found in amd64. |
| 21:31.38 | jelly | ,v g++8 |
| 21:31.39 | judd | No package named 'g++8' was found in amd64. |
| 21:31.51 | Lyberta | ,v g++-8 |
| 21:31.52 | judd | Package: g++-8 on amd64 -- buster: 8-20180218-1; sid: 8-20180218-1 |
| 21:31.58 | annadane | ,v spam |
| 21:31.59 | judd | No package named 'spam' was found in amd64. |
| 21:32.12 | jelly | Lyberta, that's not even a release of gcc |
| 21:32.28 | annadane | it is, it's in unstable |
| 21:32.33 | deadrom | distro channels these are thinning out. the helpful people from some while back got tired or haven't got the time to spare to help the newbies, so we're dis-educating the interested people who might grow and contribute to a community. it's a shame some knowledgable people have turned bitter torpedo away what's left. |
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| 21:33.20 | jelly | annadane, the year in the version strongly suggests is a devel branch, to be used for testing source compat against a future 8.0 release |
| 21:33.21 | Lyberta | jelly, when it comes to my release, I'm sure GCC will be released |
| 21:33.42 | annadane | yeah, fair enough |
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| 21:33.57 | annadane | and nothing really relies on it anyway so it's a moot point |
| 21:34.16 | Lyberta | jelly, actually they use X.1 for release and X.0 for devel nowadays |
| 21:34.25 | Lyberta | so release will be 8.1 |
| 21:34.29 | jelly | Lyberta, right, so that's for developer work and not to put on servers in production |
| 21:35.10 | Lyberta | well, I'm a developer :P |
| 21:35.12 | jelly | much like testing |
| 21:37.31 | carp_ | greycat: which programming languages do you like? Do you like Haskell? |
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| 21:37.47 | deadrom | prolly grumpyscript |
| 21:37.50 | greycat | Never used Haskell. My background is C, bash, Tcl. |
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| 21:38.25 | Lyberta | greycat, oh, so let me say that C is ALL shit while C++ is just 20% shit |
| 21:38.26 | greycat | I can sometimes beat a perl script into submission but I am not *good* at it. |
| 21:39.09 | carp_ | thanks |
| 21:41.16 | greycat | bash 4.4 was released in 2016 but any time we suggest a bash 4.4 feature in #bash we *always* have to have an alternative ready for people who are on older versions |
| 21:41.25 | bitessss | apparently mini-dinstall can handle multiple versions of one package, but it can't handle single .deb files. curses. |
| 21:41.33 | deadrom | carp_, when it comes to learning a language, ask yourself what you need for: yur personal hobby project or do you need to make a living off it in the market. there you ask for the most well supported with the most lively communicty, even if the language has shortcomings. if I wanted to make money from coding I'd look at C# today. C will stay around as long as low level coding requires its fast, unfenced features but you have to know what |
| 21:41.33 | deadrom | you do. I see it going the assember way in the future. |
| 21:41.33 | greycat | It is not sane nor sensible to expect people to be on the latest whatever. |
| 21:42.00 | annadane | #debian-offtopic |
| 21:42.12 | deadrom | umm, yes. |
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| 21:42.31 | mnuhmnuh | perl! :-) |
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| 21:43.14 | carp_ | thanks deadrom, yes sorry annadane. |
| 21:43.19 | mnuhmnuh | vala? gobjects? on debian gnu/linux?!? |
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| 21:48.13 | ghxst | is the config "Linux fully transparent mode" on https://mitmproxy.org/docs/latest/howto-transparent/ persistent? I know iptables rules reset after reboot but never worked with iproute2 |
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| 21:50.33 | jelly | ghxst, rules stored where? iptables-persistent package installed? |
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| 21:51.44 | ghxst | jelly: There's a table made in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables I wonder if this table and rules will be persistent after reboot |
| 21:52.00 | ghxst | I don't want them to be persistent, so if they are not, that's great |
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| 22:09.16 | jelly | ghxst, oh, that's alternative routing tables, not iptables. I _think_ they're persistent |
| 22:10.45 | jelly | ghxst, and you probably want to create a file in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables.d/ instead of changing the existing default one |
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| 22:11.36 | ghxst | jelly: ok, would it be possible to achieve something similar without it being persistent purely using iptable rules ? |
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| 22:12.11 | Kelsar | the config file just maps IDs to names on lookup. netiher routing rules nor iptables are persistent without some sort of init script. also iptables is not routing... |
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| 22:13.29 | ghxst | Ok |
| 22:13.51 | ZeroBeholder | Let's just say I've gone and wasted a bunch of time and resources and I had an x86 board with a 4 port ethernet pcie card and a 802.11ac (with AP Mode capabilities) mini pcie card --> pcie adapter in another slot. I've already got the 4 ethernet ports bridged, I would like to bridge the wifi configured with hostapd to the ethernet bridge-- has anyone done this in a way that didn't seem like... |
| 22:13.53 | ZeroBeholder | ...a bodge. My googling has shown three different ways that might work, I have tried none. I was just pinging you all to see if anyone has tried this already? |
| 22:14.52 | Kelsar | ZeroBeholder: you should let hostapd handle that, usually the least painfull way |
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| 22:15.10 | ZeroBeholder | (TL;DR: my $69 router and $59 TP-Link AP are ~200 megabits faster-- 200 something anyways. The AP connects at ~700 something and the $400 project is ~500 something if anyone was curious.) |
| 22:15.27 | ZeroBeholder | Kelsar: ...hostapd will bridge to ethernet? |
| 22:15.55 | Kelsar | ZeroBeholder: hostapd.conf bridge=br0 |
| 22:16.12 | ZeroBeholder | Kelsar: I could kiss you, probably. |
| 22:16.15 | Kelsar | or whatever you called it, just make sure the bridge exists before hostapd starts or you get race conditions |
| 22:16.24 | ZeroBeholder | Can do. |
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| 22:17.11 | ZeroBeholder | Kelsar: In /etc/network/interfaces there are postup and preup hooks to kind of order the availability of things (hopefully). |
| 22:17.39 | Kelsar | ZeroBeholder: dunno... never really used debian myself.... |
| 22:18.38 | aphotica | does anyone know if upgrading from stable to testing will improve gaming performance on amd? |
| 22:19.46 | annadane | that's probably too complex to answer with a simple yes or no, it likely depends on your system |
| 22:19.59 | annadane | the usual disclaimers of testing apply, keep backups, things may break, etc |
| 22:20.27 | greycat | or ask #debian-next on OFTC which actually uses and supports and knows about testing |
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| 22:29.14 | aphotica | fair enough annadane , im assuming it probably will and testing seems to be pretty stable, but at the same time, stretch is just... about perfect, imho |
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| 22:30.13 | annadane | if you have a general question about gaming that's basically your answer. if you're on the other hand *dissatisfied* with your current gaming performance then you should probably specify what about it is lacking, otherwise it becomes a |
| 22:30.15 | annadane | !xy problem |
| 22:30.15 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 22:30.59 | annadane | could be anything, graphics card, some configuration you need to do, whatever |
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| 22:44.57 | babilen | p |
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| 22:50.39 | ealfonso` | ifconfig 2.10-alpha now changed its output format in stretch, breaking my scripts to parse an ip address. is there a more reliable way to query iface ip addresses? |
| 22:51.02 | armin | ealfonso`: the "ip" command? |
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| 22:55.48 | Clien0 | gdb: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:55.51 | Clien0 | how to solve this |
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| 22:56.35 | Brigo | Clien0, what are you doing? |
| 22:56.49 | Clien0 | trying to run gdb |
| 22:58.01 | ealfonso` | armin I know about the ip command, is it more 'stable' than ifconfig? I guess ifconfig internally uses ip? |
| 22:58.10 | Brigo | Clien0, what debian version? |
| 22:58.56 | armin | ealfonso`: ifconfig is being considered obsolete in many distributions already. the output of the ip command is generally considered much more parse-able. |
| 22:59.00 | Clien0 | Linux parrot 4.14.0-parrot13-amd64 #1 SMP Parrot 4.14.13-1parrot13 (2018-01-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:59.12 | annadane | !parrot |
| 22:59.13 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 22:59.36 | armin | ealfonso`: debian also started to ditch the ifconfig command. |
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| 23:00.35 | armin | ealfonso`: i guess we just got old |
| 23:00.44 | Brigo | Clien0, anyway you need install the right package, i think it is libreadline6 |
| 23:01.00 | Clien0 | Brigo, how ? |
| 23:01.37 | Brigo | Clien0, i don't know i have never used parrot. |
| 23:02.14 | Brigo | Clien0, providing it is based in debian maybe apt-get install libreadline6 could work. |
| 23:02.28 | Clien0 | https://pastebin.com/t6BTM8MM |
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| 23:04.50 | Clien0 | Brigo, any suggestion ? |
| 23:05.05 | Brigo | Clien0, sorry, i don't know how to solve thatin parrot, try in #parrot as dpkg told. |
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| 23:05.18 | Clien0 | its same debian |
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| 23:05.54 | Brigo | Clien0, you don't get that error in debian. |
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| 23:07.17 | ealfonso` | armin so it makes sense to change any scripts that use ipconfig to use ip? |
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| 23:08.24 | Brigo | Clien0, maybe running apt-get update first |
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| 23:12.50 | ealfonso` | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/93412/difference-between-ifconfig-and-ip-commands |
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| 23:44.12 | majestic_ | what irc client do you guys use for debian? |
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| 23:45.06 | majestic_ | I installed "irssi" but it looks crap when I run it in the terminal, isnt there a non-terminal version or something, im on gui |
| 23:45.08 | annadane | hexchat. |
| 23:45.15 | annadane | yeah, hexchat is gui |
| 23:45.26 | annadane | oh you mean for irssi? |
| 23:45.28 | annadane | not sure |
| 23:45.41 | majestic_ | yeah, but hexchat will do, probably way better than this |
| 23:45.44 | annadane | i'm pretty sure irssi is cli only but i'd have to check |
| 23:46.50 | annadane | it's not bad to keep irssi around in case x crashes or something (especially on testing/sid) and you need to get irc help |
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| 23:46.52 | majestic_ | doesnt debian support gestures like windows do for touchpads? That would be sweet |
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| 23:47.59 | x54806b45 | hello colleagues, i'm a little confused by some stuff going on in /usr/include/openssl/lhash.h |
| 23:48.15 | x54806b45 | i find that its missing some of the headers that are there in other distros |
| 23:48.30 | x54806b45 | specifically all of the LHM macros |
| 23:49.28 | x54806b45 | in a gentoo install i have, the lhash.h has a lot more content, in line with the man pages provided |
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| 23:52.46 | x54806b45 | a lot of typedefs and other stuff are missing |
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