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| 00:36.02 | Aelius | new to debian. is it trivial to change from stable to unstable? Just change out the repository then initiate a full system update? |
| 00:37.15 | annadane | essentially |
| 00:37.36 | annadane | you have less chance of things initially breaking if you do it from a minimal install; the usual disclaimers apply, sid can break, keep backups etc |
| 00:38.03 | annadane | you only need one line for sid though, you don't need security.debian.org or stretch-updates, just remove or comment out those lines entirely |
| 00:38.32 | Aelius | I'm actually using it from wsl- so the install is very minimal, and I can just click a button to get back to the stable image |
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| 00:46.33 | RoyK | dpkg: tell Aelius about unstable |
| 00:46.58 | Aelius | so Sid is "unstable", and I only need to figure out the syntax for sources |
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| 00:47.50 | RoyK | Aelius: basically, don't use unstble if you want something that works. Stable really works, testing might work, unstable as in Sid (the kid that breaks toys) may work, perhaps, but you'll probably end up in a havoc sooner or later |
| 00:48.17 | Aelius | Coming from archlinux, I just want packages that are up to date. |
| 00:48.38 | Aelius | Is unstable for me? |
| 00:48.48 | RoyK | debian packages are up to date - security fixes are backported |
| 00:48.54 | coruja | coming from arch linux, sid will rather be comfortable i guess |
| 00:48.57 | RoyK | better try stable first, then perhaps testing |
| 00:49.22 | Aelius | I don't care if debian kernel itself is stable, but when a package updates upstream, I want to see that update within a week |
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| 00:50.06 | RoyK | Aelius: regardless of bugs? ;) |
| 00:50.12 | annadane | yeah, sid has all the new stuff |
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| 00:50.38 | RoyK | he breaks toys, though |
| 00:50.46 | annadane | meh |
| 00:51.01 | annadane | as long as people know the risks and keep backups of their important files |
| 00:51.39 | Aelius | I do not believe it is the OS responsibility to decide when a package is ready for me to use. the developer released an update, I want it. Not bumping into bugs robs me of the opportunity to submit bug reports and contribute to foss projects... |
| 00:52.07 | RoyK | Aelius: sounds like you've never managed a datacentre ;) |
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| 00:52.39 | Aelius | I have had limited experience as a serveradmin, where yes, priorities are different |
| 00:52.48 | aokfire | * * * * * screen -S test -m -d -L "/var/log/cronjobs/test_$(date).log" ls /root |
| 00:52.54 | aokfire | I have this crontab test under root |
| 00:53.04 | aokfire | i'm not sure it's properly running? no logs being generated |
| 00:53.18 | aokfire | it seems to want to send an email out ssmtp |
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| 00:54.35 | aokfire | https://arin.ga/BMCvTu/raw what's happening here? |
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| 00:56.43 | teatime | aokfire: what does that screen command do, anyway? |
| 00:56.50 | aokfire | it's a test |
| 00:56.56 | Aelius | so the syntax is "deb http://... unstable main"? the FAQ page "how to install sid" just tells me to edit the file to point to "unstable" |
| 00:56.58 | aokfire | basically just list /root |
| 00:57.07 | aokfire | because I'm not sure of another way to log? |
| 00:57.24 | aokfire | I mean I could do tee maybe? |
| 00:57.26 | teatime | aokfire: fyi, cron scripts should not produce output when they are successful; if they do print stuff out, it's assumed to be interesting diagnostic info / error message, so is sent to the administrator |
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| 00:57.34 | aokfire | oh |
| 00:57.37 | aokfire | I just wanted to log anyway |
| 00:57.56 | Aelius | yep seems to have done the trick. thanks all |
| 00:58.00 | annadane | https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ but sure, if you want something nice and risk-free, obviously use stable |
| 00:58.12 | aokfire | the actual command I'd like to run is to update my raid array |
| 00:58.26 | teatime | can you show the specific command you'd like to run |
| 00:58.29 | aokfire | so I want to run it in a screen and log output, regardless of if it went well or not |
| 00:58.31 | aokfire | sure one sec |
| 00:59.19 | aokfire | teatime https://arin.ga/9x7XrL/raw |
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| 00:59.44 | aokfire | the reason for this being the raid program does provide useful output post-processing, so I'd like to retain that |
| 00:59.58 | aokfire | and running in a screen would let me check in on it |
| 01:00.13 | aokfire | from any user |
| 01:00.24 | teatime | true enough; but tee would be more, normal.. |
| 01:00.29 | teatime | or something along those lines |
| 01:00.47 | teatime | out of curiosity, where is the snapraid command from? |
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| 01:01.03 | aokfire | usr/local/bin/snapraid |
| 01:01.08 | aokfire | but you have to run as sudo anyway |
| 01:01.11 | aokfire | as non-root |
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| 01:01.34 | teatime | I don't think snapraid came from a debian package? |
| 01:01.41 | Aelius | annadane: yeah that's basically my understanding of it. It seems like 90% of linux users would want unstable on their personal device |
| 01:01.56 | aokfire | teatime no |
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| 01:02.18 | annadane | Aelius, yeah, it's a very polarizing subject |
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| 01:02.27 | annadane | stable does have backports but it's not for every package |
| 01:03.37 | Aelius | I don't have a solid bulletproof argument for this, but the concept of porting a program to 1000 different linux distros seems like it's an untenable concept in the first place. I think there's a future in flatpak |
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| 01:04.09 | Aelius | the whole thing might be moot in time |
| 01:04.17 | aokfire | teatime I'm mainly just wondering why it's trying to send to mailhub |
| 01:04.19 | aokfire | is the command failing |
| 01:04.50 | teatime | aokfire: again, when cron scripts produce output, the default/traditional configuration is for cron to send root a mail about that, w/ the output |
| 01:04.51 | annadane | it's my computer and i'm intelligent with it, i would obviously use stable in a professional environment of course |
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| 01:05.59 | Aelius | yeah. even more fundamental than that, I think of my OS as the thing that enables me to use software, and largely exists to not be in the way. |
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| 01:06.59 | aokfire | right teatime |
| 01:07.33 | aokfire | issue is it's sending to mailhub:25 |
| 01:07.42 | Aelius | What's the difference between updating all packages and "dist-upgrade"? |
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| 01:08.08 | teatime | aokfire: ok, are you asking what is "mailhub"? |
| 01:08.14 | coruja | Aelius, maybe i missed someone having already done but i want to point you to #debian-next on oftc network for debian testing/unstable support (as the topic says too) |
| 01:08.29 | teatime | aokfire: also this is a more typical crontab entry, perhaps, just to give ideas: @weekly snapraid scrub >> /var/log/cronjobs/snapraid_scrub.log 2>&1 |
| 01:08.49 | aokfire | teatime I'll probably just use that |
| 01:08.49 | teatime | but instead of running âsnapraid scrubâ directly, you probably want to create a short bash script |
| 01:08.52 | aokfire | yeah |
| 01:09.04 | aokfire | because I assume running directly, if I loggedi n as root it would like |
| 01:09.06 | aokfire | be running? |
| 01:09.22 | teatime | that can 1) log to syslog if you want, 2) only prints anything out if there's an error you want to hear about via email, 3) exits with 0 status on successful run, and 4) non-zero status on error |
| 01:09.35 | Aelius | I saw that- but I'm not /really/ asking for unstable support- generic question like "editting mirrorlist" and "what is the significance of dist-upgrade" shouldnt require me to go connect to a new server- those things exist in stable, no? |
| 01:10.01 | aokfire | teatime sounds good. I'll edit that |
| 01:10.04 | aokfire | one more question |
| 01:10.17 | teatime | Aelius: honestly you will probably want dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade w/ the newer tools) most of the times where it would make any difference |
| 01:10.27 | aokfire | can I somehow email myself, ex. email from email@me.com and also to email@me.com ? |
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| 01:11.06 | Aelius | yeah, I'm curious about what this actually does. I'm not that familiar with apt / apt-get (and I assume I don't have to touch dpkg for normal install/uninstall?) |
| 01:11.26 | teatime | Aelius: safe-upgrade (or just upgrade, with older tools) won't take certain actions by default, which are slightly perhaps more potentially dangerous/damaging, like removing packages, or installing not-installed packages; and these things are sometimes necessary |
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| 01:12.03 | Aelius | yeah I noticed that when I installed and then uninstalled fish- it left fish-common behind |
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| 01:12.18 | teatime | aokfire: could you do and upload output of: dpkg -l | egrep 'postfix|exim|ssmtp' |
| 01:12.53 | aokfire | teatime https://arin.ga/JFfKOO/raw |
| 01:12.58 | aokfire | i was trying ssmtp |
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| 01:13.12 | teatime | Aelius: try `apt autoremove` to remove auto-installed-but-no-longer-needed packages |
| 01:13.13 | coruja | Aelius, in short: apt update = update package database, apt upgrade = upgrade without removing packages, apt {full,dist}-upgrade = upgrade including removal of packages, apt remove = remove package with configs untouched, apt purge = removing package including config |
| 01:13.41 | coruja | for the rest see man apt ;) |
| 01:13.51 | Aelius | that was very comprehensive, thank you |
| 01:13.51 | teatime | aokfire: ok, then yes you can setup ssmtp to forward mail from your system to you. |
| 01:13.56 | teatime | aokfire: but it does need configured |
| 01:14.13 | aokfire | I basically just want to email from an actual email address to the same email |
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| 01:14.26 | aokfire | example, email FROM user1@gmail.com TO user1@gmail.com |
| 01:14.31 | teatime | sure |
| 01:14.39 | aokfire | with data coming from server |
| 01:14.45 | aokfire | basically a way to get an email with info I can read on my phone |
| 01:14.55 | aokfire | wake up, logs in inbox |
| 01:15.04 | aokfire | jump on server in emergency |
| 01:15.04 | teatime | aokfire: there's some gmail information etc. here: https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP |
| 01:15.12 | aokfire | I'm not using gmail though |
| 01:15.22 | aokfire | but got it |
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| 01:20.49 | aokfire | cool, thank you :) |
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| 01:21.27 | coruja | Aelius, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Rosetta |
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| 01:26.27 | Aelius | thanks again |
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| 01:43.29 | jim | does debian have a command called debconf-get-selections? |
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| 01:55.18 | advorak | jim, I don't believe so, though check out https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
| 01:55.36 | advorak | I searched for "debconf" and didn't find what you are specifying .. but that may give you some hints ... |
| 01:56.13 | LtL | jim: yes there is |
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| 01:57.12 | LtL | jim: man debconf-set-selections |
| 01:59.07 | jim | LtL, I decided to ask judd, which confirmed it's present |
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| 02:00.42 | Forty-3 | where can I find the correct format for versioning a .deb built from a specific git revision? |
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| 02:34.52 | notjagspargdon | does firefox/seamonkey on debian play h264 files? |
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| 02:38.25 | tw | Forty-3: check a package like golang-github-buger-jsonparser-dev . I don't know if there's a definitive standard... |
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| 02:43.20 | Forty-3 | tw: thanks |
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| 03:11.40 | notjagspargdon | nobody here uses firefox or seamonkey on debian linux? |
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| 03:12.57 | notjagspargdon | that's fine, lets just assume it does play h.264 videos as shown by youtube.com/html5. where are the configure options stored for a given source package |
| 03:13.37 | notjagspargdon | i found a Sources.xz file with urls and stuff, but i can't seem to track down what invokes configure \ make \ make install |
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| 03:14.36 | notjagspargdon | has anyone in here ever changed a configure switch on your debian? |
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| 03:17.39 | nkuttler | notjagspargdon: debian/rules |
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| 03:29.55 | notjagspargdon | thanks nkuttler do you know if h.264 is supported on firefox or seamonkey by default on debian? |
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| 03:40.28 | notjagspargdon | is this a controversial topic or is this channel of 1477 users usually completely dead? |
| 03:40.51 | notjagspargdon | not many people browsing the web these days? |
| 03:40.55 | dvs | notjagspargdon, if someone knew the answer they would speak up |
| 03:41.07 | tiwake | the head count does not reset after the gas chambers... |
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| 03:41.47 | notjagspargdon | #gentoo just banned me because i asked them the same questions and had the audactiy to not have installed gentoo to find out for myself |
| 03:42.03 | notjagspargdon | jim in #linux completely dodged my question after i gav him a url to check support |
| 03:42.58 | tiwake | gentoo is something I want to try after a certain set of events |
| 03:43.00 | Cefiar | notjagspargdon: youtube.com/html5 tells me I can play h264 when using Firefix |
| 03:43.18 | notjagspargdon | thank you Cefiar !! my hour long inquiry is finally complete! |
| 03:43.21 | notjagspargdon | you are my hero |
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| 03:43.44 | Cefiar | notjagspargdon: it might depend on video card support, tho I doubt it. |
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| 03:44.12 | Cefiar | err.. I can't type today.. Firefix = Firefox. ugh |
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| 03:44.27 | notjagspargdon | i wouldn't doubt it just yet, but i have a place to start now (debian source as reference), thanks you |
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| 03:44.57 | Cefiar | notjagspargdon: 52.6.0 (64-bit) fwiw. |
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| 03:49.39 | notadrop | What's the easiest way to find the previous version of a package I had installed? |
| 03:49.44 | notadrop | I need to downgrade/rollback |
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| 03:50.43 | tw | Probably read the apt log. |
| 03:51.17 | Cefiar | notadrop: you can browse around archive.debian.org too and you'll usually see the last version of a package. |
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| 03:52.11 | Cefiar | ie: current and last. eg: libc - http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libc/ shows 2 versions there. |
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| 03:53.00 | notadrop | archive.debian.org's slow to load over here |
| 03:53.23 | Cefiar | notadrop: and there's also http://snapshot.debian.org/ which you can specify a date/time |
| 03:53.27 | somiaj | are you confusing archive.debian.org with snapshot.debian.org? |
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| 03:53.51 | Cefiar | somiaj: nope.. I was getting to that. ;) |
| 03:54.05 | notadrop | this package is from unstable |
| 03:54.33 | Cefiar | notadrop: which package? |
| 03:54.38 | notadrop | Cefiar: firefox |
| 03:54.45 | somiaj | notadrop: snapshot.debian.org has older packages, archive.debian.org has older stable releases. |
| 03:55.10 | Cefiar | notadrop: ah.. so yeah snapshot might be able to help there. |
| 03:55.56 | notadrop | okay, where do I go from here to find sid packages? |
| 03:55.59 | notadrop | http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180301T155731Z/ |
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| 03:57.53 | Cefiar | Just the raw pkgs? http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180301T155731Z/pool/main/f/firefox/ |
| 03:58.56 | Cefiar | or you could change your sources to point the link you gave instead (comment out the other lines) and then just apt-get install it. |
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| 03:59.44 | notadrop | it seems like the apt logs would be the much easier way to do this |
| 03:59.45 | Cefiar | also remember there is firefox and firefox-esr. that link above is for firefox |
| 04:00.19 | notadrop | google is useless for info on apt log |
| 04:00.33 | notadrop | help me out here? how do I print the log to the screen? |
| 04:01.12 | Cefiar | less /var/log/apt/history.log (as root) |
| 04:02.24 | Cefiar | Look for lines starting with Upgrade: |
| 04:02.24 | Cefiar | eg: Upgrade: libvpx4:amd64 (1.6.1-3, 1.6.1-3+deb9u1) |
| 04:03.07 | Cefiar | In the ()'s are the versions (from, to). |
| 04:03.13 | notadrop | what's the argument for grep to also spit out n preceeding/following lines? |
| 04:03.17 | notadrop | or flag I mean |
| 04:03.25 | notadrop | I don't see it in the man |
| 04:03.43 | notadrop | oh, never mind |
| 04:03.47 | Cefiar | -B (before) and -A (after) |
| 04:04.07 | Cefiar | not that you need it since it'll have all the detail in the Upgrade: line. |
| 04:04.18 | notadrop | somehow I ended up with a beta version? foo+b1 |
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| 04:04.22 | jim | notjagspargdon, I didn't dodge your question, I believe what I said to you was this: "[20180308 19:05:02] <jim> notjagspargdon, I've been running debian a long time, yes... but I don't know what an h264 video is... but I can try to find out if firefox can play one" |
| 04:04.50 | jim | I was going to come here and ask, when something came up I had to deal with |
| 04:05.00 | notjagspargdon | it's ok jim we're all busy people, you probably missed the link i pasted right after that |
| 04:05.10 | Cefiar | jim: I know that feeling all too well.. |
| 04:05.55 | notadrop | Cefiar: |
| 04:05.56 | notjagspargdon | knowin FF, it's probably a 32-bit problem |
| 04:05.58 | notadrop | Upgrade: firefox:amd64 (58.0.1-1, 58.0.1-1+b1) |
| 04:06.09 | notadrop | first number is previous version? |
| 04:06.38 | jim | having said all that,,, I am still curious: is an h264 video same as an html5 video? |
| 04:07.00 | notjagspargdon | h264 is a video codec for .mp4 |
| 04:07.02 | annadane | they both have 'h' in the name. |
| 04:07.06 | notadrop | jim: I think the html5 spec supports a variety of formats? don't quote me on that |
| 04:07.06 | annadane | is being helpful |
| 04:07.33 | notjagspargdon | the most widely used one on the net, but i can't get my browser to play them since like ff 45ish |
| 04:07.49 | notadrop | ?? they work fine for me. |
| 04:07.58 | Cefiar | notadrop: yes, first is previous version. |
| 04:08.04 | notadrop | Cefiar: E: Version '58.0.1-1' for 'firefox' was not found |
| 04:08.05 | notadrop | ?? |
| 04:08.23 | notadrop | oh I think I know why. It might be looking in stable. |
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| 04:08.39 | notadrop | I run firefox package from sid on stretch, don't tell anyone >> |
| 04:09.07 | Cefiar | 58.0.1-1+b1 is in sid |
| 04:09.21 | jim | well what does youtube put out that html5 can do? (I guess flash is a lost cause these days) |
| 04:09.34 | annadane | i'm not following the conversation at all but you do realize you don't need to get the latest firefox from sid |
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| 04:09.48 | notadrop | I do, yeah |
| 04:09.57 | annadane | k |
| 04:10.00 | notadrop | I just prefer being able to install updates with apt, as opposed to downloading a binary |
| 04:10.09 | notjagspargdon | jim: they put out everything, but its every *other* website that is problematic because they all use h.264 as the defacto standard |
| 04:10.10 | notadrop | I hate not using package managers on Linux. |
| 04:10.11 | jim | notadrop, you might be better off building the sid package from source then installing it |
| 04:10.12 | Cefiar | notadrop: fwiw: apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 04:10.20 | annadane | i saw mention of apt pinning but i'm too tired to go through it all :P |
| 04:10.39 | notadrop | yeah that is what I've done annadane |
| 04:10.40 | jim | otherwise you would end up with an incompatible dependency subtree |
| 04:10.54 | Cefiar | might need to do that soon.. isn't glibc getting an abi bump? |
| 04:11.03 | annadane | depending on how well the rust stuff cooperates with building it from source |
| 04:11.18 | notadrop | jim: worked fine until today... I use something called pacapt because I came from Arch, and somehow the way it called apt, my firefox update was being held back |
| 04:11.30 | notadrop | so I did "apt upgrade firefox" and then my problems began |
| 04:11.37 | notadrop | instead of just apt upgrade |
| 04:11.45 | notadrop | I think that's what did it. |
| 04:12.02 | notadrop | also Chrome is complaining that widevine isn't installed |
| 04:12.15 | notadrop | s/me/mium |
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| 04:13.01 | pengwens | what's the difference between using apt and apt-get? can't you use apt-get update as well? |
| 04:13.39 | notadrop | I thought apt-get was an ubuntu thing. I've always used apt |
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| 04:17.08 | annadane | it's kind of one of those things where people who have heard it 50 times are liable to go "god isn't it OBVIOUS that they're virtually the same" but actually you can learn a lot from newbies |
| 04:17.18 | Cefiar | notadrop: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180201T100533Z/pool/main/f/firefox/ |
| 04:17.29 | Cefiar | notadrop: there's 58.0.1-1 in there |
| 04:17.30 | annadane | force the devs who take it for granted to maybe have more meaningful seperation in future |
| 04:18.51 | annadane | but yeah apt and apt-get are very similar and then aptitude is more seperate |
| 04:19.08 | Cefiar | from what I last heard, apt's output is likely to change over time, whereas apt-get's output isn't. which to me roughly means 'apt-get is good for scripting' and 'apt is ok for people to use' |
| 04:19.29 | annadane | you can, indeed, use apt-get update |
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| 04:19.37 | Cefiar | afaik, apt-get isn't gonna change anytime soon, whereas apt still gets active development |
| 04:20.00 | annadane | i don't pay attention because nothing i do matters for the differences |
| 04:20.45 | annadane | except yes apt-get is preferred for scripts |
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| 04:21.01 | awal1 | pengwens, debian package manager is dpkg. apt is like a front-end (program and library) of dpkg. apt-get , aptitude and new apt are front-ends of apt |
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| 04:21.53 | awal1 | right "first" apt and new one naming confuses |
| 04:22.57 | pengwens | i have always used aptitude. a friend of mine told me it is better at purging uneeded files if you remove stuff. |
| 04:23.06 | Cefiar | notadrop: fwiw, you could add a sources.list of 'http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20180201T100533Z/ sid main' and install it via apt. |
| 04:23.31 | pengwens | with apt, you have to add something like --purge to clean out old uneccessary files when you remove something |
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| 04:24.40 | annadane | i just apt purge |
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| 04:24.55 | annadane | i'm probably violating a million rules but until something breaks i don't care |
| 04:25.23 | awal1 | pengwens: apt-get, aptitude and "new" apt are just front ends of apt, which calls dpkg |
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| 04:26.16 | awal1 | calls dpkg for install downloaded pkgs |
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| 04:27.00 | notadrop | pacapt is where it's at |
| 04:27.12 | notadrop | I'm not sure if it calls dpkg directly... I'd assume it does |
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| 04:27.45 | awal1 | dpkg: apt |
| 04:27.45 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
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| 04:28.33 | notadrop | dpkg: apt myths |
| 04:28.33 | dpkg | Myths about APT never seem to die, the principal one being you can't mix using different APT front-ends like apt-get and aptitude. This is false. If you need further convincing, see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9 and http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ . See also <why aptitude> and <why not aptitude> for real reasons to choose one over the other. |
| 04:28.36 | awal1 | ^confirms what I said, almost |
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| 04:29.03 | awal1 | not sure about factoid for "calling dpkg" :P |
| 04:29.04 | pengwens | hey cool! |
| 04:29.38 | awal1 | anyway, things are obvious. debian pkg manager is dpkg |
| 04:29.54 | annadane | dpkg: systemd myths |
| 04:29.54 | dpkg | annadane: i don't know |
| 04:29.56 | annadane | :( |
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| 04:32.06 | pengwens | this -> "with apt-get you have to switch between apt-get and apt-cache depending on the operation that you want to do" |
| 04:32.08 | awal1 | dpkg: apt myths |
| 04:32.08 | dpkg | Myths about APT never seem to die, the principal one being you can't mix using different APT front-ends like apt-get and aptitude. This is false. If you need further convincing, see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9 and http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ . See also <why aptitude> and <why not aptitude> for real reasons to choose one over the other. |
| 04:32.24 | pengwens | that's one reason i just stick with aptitude |
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| 04:32.53 | pengwens | all these years, i've never understood why a bunch of the forumns have been asking people to run apt-get (or now the "new" apt) |
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| 04:34.28 | awal1 | pengwens, all achieve same goals |
| 04:35.19 | awal1 | each have a few different options but they are all complementary; one may use them all depending on needs |
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| 04:36.12 | pengwens | awal1, that post does agree with my old knowledge: if you start using one, stick with it |
| 04:36.20 | pengwens | i will now be less afraid of mixing them |
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| 04:40.13 | awal1 | pengwens, in the past apt-get doesn't know about pkgs automatically installed by aptitude, so mixing them results in troubles. now they share that, so no problem mixing |
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| 04:40.32 | awal1 | almost that |
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| 04:57.07 | Cefiar | goes back to poking at OpenGL traces and waiting for someone to get a backport of Mesa 17.3.6 pushed through. |
| 04:57.14 | teatime | pengwens: you're fine to mix |
| 04:57.43 | teatime | apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, whatever. just read what it says to you via the screen before you press y⦠that's the real path to success. |
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| 04:58.21 | annadane | eww gui package managers |
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| 04:59.57 | Cefiar | hrm, speaking of which, how do I disable the auto-upgrades in stretch (keeps popping up a msg in the gui)? |
| 05:00.17 | annadane | probably dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades (as root) |
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| 05:00.23 | annadane | if that's what you have set up |
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| 05:00.58 | Cefiar | annadane: it'd be whatever comes by default in stretch from a blank install with the default UI options. |
| 05:01.28 | annadane | well, what is the message? |
| 05:02.37 | Cefiar | haven't got it at the moment (I dismiss it).. but bawsically says it wants to reboot and install upgrades.. which I know would currently break my system. ;) |
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| 05:03.45 | annadane | er... maybe you have the needrestart package |
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| 05:03.50 | annadane | not sure |
| 05:04.36 | Cefiar | no biggie.. just bothers me |
| 05:04.37 | annadane | in which case if it is that i don't actually know how to turn it off |
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| 05:05.16 | Cefiar | I think I can just turn off pkgupdater notifications in the gui.. but that doesn't remove the underlying issue |
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| 05:06.49 | satoshi2 | test |
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| 05:08.08 | satoshi2 | Linux wiiu 4.15.0-next-20180202-wiiu #1 PREEMPT Fri Mar 9 01:40:28 UTC 2018 ppc GNU/Linux |
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| 05:24.29 | Cefiar | pokes the .au mirror with a pointy stick and yells "Update, damn you!" |
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| 05:39.45 | werkin | Hello, I'm on Buster and I'm having a problem with console keymaps. VC Keymap is set to "dvorak" in localectl and /etc/vconsole.conf's only content is 'KEYMAP=dvorak'. However, it defaults to QWERTY at startup and I have to do loadkeys manually. |
| 05:40.48 | werkin | loadkeys doesn't complain itself but dpkg-reconfigure console-{data,common} gives me 'adding map 3 violates explicit keymaps line\nFailed to load keymap!' |
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| 05:41.26 | werkin | This applies to all dvorak based keymaps so dvorak.kmap.gz is probably at fault but I made sure to confirm it's the stock version. |
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| 05:52.14 | Whatuphomeslice1 | Hey all! |
| 05:52.17 | Whatuphomeslice1 | I'm new here |
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| 05:52.53 | Whatuphomeslice1 | I'm looking for some solid education on Debian, pentesting, coding all that jazz. Does anyone have any good suggestions? |
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| 05:57.00 | werkin | I think I'm better off asking #debian-next if this is the stable channel. |
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| 06:36.00 | notjagspargdon | since you guys helped me out instead of banning me earlier, i will share my findings. i had mp4's working earlier and then it stopped working. i noticed a filename changed from FFmpeg*.tar.gz to ffmpeg*.tar.gz and my build script has a fallback that will just build normally if there are no configuration options that match (match was looking for FFmpeg), well that caused it to build without any options like |
| 06:36.02 | notjagspargdon | --enable-shared which i suspect was needed for firefox to work |
| 06:36.15 | notjagspargdon | s/earlier/last year/ |
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| 07:46.45 | OtakuSenpai | hey |
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| 07:47.15 | OtakuSenpai | how do i setup $remote_host and $remote_user for ssh |
| 07:47.25 | OtakuSenpai | im a newb in this area |
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| 07:48.42 | Li | I've just finished install my 1st debian+gnome distro and it seems very weird to me! I thought most of ubuntu stuff will be the same. |
| 07:48.52 | Li | - ifconfig is not there |
| 07:49.14 | Li | opening more than one instance of the same application is NO NO |
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| 07:50.18 | Li | 1st installation dvd iso file contains all needed components yet I had to download 3 dvds, now I'm not sure what the other 2 are for! |
| 07:50.39 | somiaj | Li: ifconfig has been depericated for a while and is just not installed by default, as most using gnome would just use network-manager. You can install net-tools if you want ifconfig, or just use ip. |
| 07:51.25 | somiaj | Debian provides hundereds of packages, (actually 14 dvd's worth) and the first three dvd's just contain the most popular packages. You won't use them all. |
| 07:52.05 | somiaj | as for opening more than one instance of an application, this totally depends on the application, and use case. |
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| 07:52.50 | Li | somiaj: yep, my point was knowing that before having to download 3 dvds (not complaining) since I've a good connection now but I know how this could feel for those have not got one |
| 07:52.56 | Li | been there myself |
| 07:53.22 | somiaj | I usually just suggest the netinstaller and then from there choose to only download the packages you want to use. |
| 07:53.53 | Li | normal applications like file browsers for example should be possible to open more than 1 window which is not the case on this brand new insllation |
| 07:53.55 | somiaj | in terms of debian vs ubuntu, debian provides a lot more choice, but this means things may take a bit more configuring, since things have to be compadable with lots of different ways of using the packages. |
| 07:54.29 | somiaj | that might totally depend on the file manager used, and if it is configured to open up a tab in the current instance or a new window. I can't say much on that as I don't use any file manager. |
| 07:54.30 | Li | somiaj: I've changed to debian because of stability rather than more packages |
| 07:55.08 | somiaj | Li: I was more just commenting on you may find things take a bit more tweaking and aren't setup by default like you would want them to, not the reason. (: |
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| 07:57.38 | Li | somiaj: I do appreciate that, and I hope I not have to look for another distro very soon |
| 07:58.37 | Li | can I use .deb packages that downloaded on ubuntu 16.04 on debian 9? |
| 07:58.46 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 07:58.46 | dpkg | methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 07:58.52 | somiaj | Li: not with the possiblity of breaking things |
| 07:58.59 | Li | specially that this new insllation didn't recognize both network cards |
| 07:59.00 | somiaj | with=without |
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| 07:59.56 | somiaj | is one a wifi, debian has a fairly clear policy on free software, and as such non-free firmware is not included in the default main section. YOu ahve to setup and install additional repos to install the non-free firmware needed for most wifi cards |
| 08:00.40 | Li | I'm looking here https://wiki.debian.org/wl for the propretiary broadcom wifi driver but it requires a connection to be completely installed and update headers |
| 08:01.15 | somiaj | oh yea, broadcom cards are the worst about this, and that is a bit more involved than just installing non-free firmware to get some of them working. |
| 08:01.29 | Li | I totally agree with debian and shame on broadcom but that still doesn't solve my connectitivity issues here |
| 08:01.44 | somiaj | you can do it without internt, but it is a pain to get all the packages, since you had all the dvds, only package you were missing were the non-free ones. |
| 08:01.51 | somiaj | but yea internet makes it the easiest. |
| 08:01.58 | Li | somiaj: I'm assuming buying new cards .. which ones are better in linux world? |
| 08:02.44 | somiaj | Kinda depends. I would look them up first. Are you talking about wifi cards here? |
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| 08:04.40 | Li | in the above mentioned url the debian folks assume the person has a second card to connect to internet and install the propretiry hw driver! it's much easire to assume less false assumption like in my laptop case there is nothing else I can connect to internet |
| 08:05.05 | Li | both cards were not recognized and it would be better if there is an offline .deb file to download and install |
| 08:05.25 | Li | that is why I asked if possible to use the one I had from ubuntu |
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| 08:05.46 | somiaj | It is more the non-free issue, and debian's policy to ensure all of its install media is only from main. |
| 08:06.24 | somiaj | The broadcom cards just end up being the biggest pain with this in debian, most require just downloading a single firmware .deb and then it works. There is also an offical net-isntaller that contains non-free firmware on it for this reason. |
| 08:06.52 | somiaj | But broadcom won't let debian ship its firmware and the company won't work to get their driver in the linux kernel, so I see this more as a broadcom issue. |
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| 08:08.19 | Li | monopoly |
| 08:08.35 | OtakuSenpai | hey |
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| 08:14.59 | Li | I've cleared couple of sources.list lines, tried to apt update but it says updating from such a repo. can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default |
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| 08:15.29 | somiaj | cleared up a couple of soruces.list? What sources.list are you using? care to paste it at paste.debian.net? |
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| 08:26.08 | Li | somiaj: I've unmarked repository entries from /etc/apt/source.list |
| 08:26.16 | Li | to make apt update |
| 08:27.09 | Li | because the last one is complaining about none secure updates |
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| 08:29.52 | somiaj | Li: do you have debian-archive-keyring installed? |
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| 08:31.19 | Li | I'm not sure how to know/answer that question |
| 08:31.35 | Li | I've unmarked and added non-free to each line of sources.list |
| 08:31.42 | Li | yet apt update is not working |
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| 08:32.16 | Li | apt-get udate > data from such a repo. ca't be authenticated and is therefore potenitally dangerous to use. |
| 08:32.57 | bazhang | li did you paste the sources.list for the chanel yet |
| 08:33.01 | Li | what other secure repository should I be using? why not listed directly in the installation medium? |
| 08:33.30 | Li | bazhang: nope I didn't, it's on a different PC |
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| 08:34.32 | somiaj | anyways, make sure you have the debian-archive-keyring installed and are only using debian sources. |
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| 08:35.07 | thms_ | How can I know if my package is from, say, squeeze or wheezy ? |
| 08:35.17 | thms_ | dpkg -l|grep deb7 isn't so clean.. |
| 08:35.17 | dpkg | thms_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 08:39.46 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 08:39.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 08:40.32 | somiaj | thms_: in general we do not support mixing packages like that, it is a good way to break things. You can use apt policy packagename to see what packages you have avaiable, but once it is on your system you just have to compare versions. |
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| 08:58.11 | thms_ | somiaj, I'd like a list with $packagename: $distro :/ |
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| 09:07.27 | jelly | thms_: you can't know once it's installed. You can look at version installed and versions available in repos but that may not be conclusive. |
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| 09:08.23 | jelly | thms_: if you still have both releases repos enabled, apt-cache policy packagename [packagename ...] |
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| 09:09.31 | jelly | somiaj: picking from _newer_ releases is a good way to break thnigs. Picking a few packages from older release is usually quite safe. |
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| 09:37.26 | thms_ | thanks jelly |
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| 09:45.30 | wrksx | Is that okay to mount the same partition twice ? It seems that mount --bind has achieved something like this but I'm not quite sure hom to set the fstab |
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| 09:47.16 | jim | you can bind mount multiple times... curious tho, what makes that attractive? |
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| 09:49.12 | wrksx | jim: I inherited a system config, the ftp jail is a dedicated partition. I have files outside that are also on a dedicated partition, and I want to make them available in the ftp |
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| 09:50.02 | wrksx | So i --binded the second partition in a subdir of the ftp folder |
| 09:50.08 | wrksx | works fine |
| 09:50.19 | wrksx | now I want to set that in the fstab |
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| 09:50.39 | wrksx | but when I run mount it doesn't mention a bind mount |
| 09:50.56 | jim | anyway... source package question: I'm looking at a source package, supercollider_3.8.0~repack-2.dsc, supercollider_3.8.0~repack.orig.tar.gz, supercollider_3.8.0~repack-2.debian.tar.xz |
| 09:51.11 | wrksx | it shows that the partition is mounted twice RW so I was wondering if that's legal to do in my fstab instead of bind |
| 09:52.02 | wrksx | jim: so the real question is can I mount the same partition in rw twice without issues ? |
| 09:52.16 | jim | wrksx, you could bind-mount stuff in the ftp dir |
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| 09:54.07 | wrksx | alright |
| 09:54.25 | wrksx | is there a debian way to edit fstab or should I just edit it 'manually' ? |
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| 09:55.06 | jim | -or- if the current ftp dir is of something that's a special purpose, you can make another dir as your ftp dir, make dirs for your bind mounts, make a dir for the original ftp dir (named for its purpose), do the mounts, and restart the ftp server... HOWEVER NOTE, that -authenticated- ftp is -absolutely- not recommended, you should not use plain ftp, and use sftp (based on ssh) instead |
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| 09:56.10 | jim | unless you want users' ftp credentials floating around the internet on some hacker list |
| 09:56.21 | wrksx | actually I don'twant that =) |
| 09:56.43 | jim | I souldn't think so :) |
| 09:56.48 | wrksx | but it's kind of a legacy ftp I'll bring back up a few days and then the box will go down |
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| 09:57.24 | wrksx | maybe a bit more than a few but you get the idea |
| 09:57.25 | jim | let whoever's going to connect use an sftp client |
| 09:57.36 | wrksx | yeah would be better |
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| 09:58.19 | jim | anyway, you take your security into your own hands... and now, its up to you |
| 09:59.01 | wrksx | thx for the reminder anyway |
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| 10:00.00 | wrksx | So what about the fstab file should I edit it directly or is there some kind of higher level interface to add a mount |
| 10:00.12 | jim | see if there's an fstab.d dir |
| 10:01.05 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 10:01.34 | jim | but anyway, I wonder if anyone knows about debian source packages... the supercollider one has the word "repack" in the name, what does that mean? |
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| 10:02.00 | jim | hi |
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| 10:02.20 | Blueskaj | 'Morning |
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| 10:05.55 | Maze77 | mhh. I get "failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory" if i run systemd --user (inside a fresh lxc) any ideas? |
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| 10:14.55 | Ke | Maze77: do you have dbus running? |
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| 10:15.52 | darxmurf | I have a rsync crashing with a folder with 5Mio files inside :-/ |
| 10:16.09 | darxmurf | rsync error: error allocating core memory buffers (code 22) at util2.c(106) [sender=3.1.2] |
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| 10:16.17 | darxmurf | is there something I can do to fix that ? |
| 10:16.29 | darxmurf | ERROR: out of memory in hashtable_node [sender] |
| 10:16.36 | darxmurf | I have 24Gb of RAM on the source machine |
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| 10:17.31 | petn-randall | darxmurf: Do you have the same on the destination machine? |
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| 10:17.44 | darxmurf | memory ? |
| 10:17.48 | petn-randall | darxmurf: yes |
| 10:17.51 | darxmurf | 16Gb |
| 10:18.16 | darxmurf | before that I had 8Gb on the source and I added 16 this morning to see |
| 10:18.41 | petn-randall | darxmurf: You might be able to rsync subfolders to make the memory footprint smaller. |
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| 10:19.10 | darxmurf | it's one big folder with 5 mio files in... (I have users) |
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| 10:19.21 | darxmurf | s/have/hate/ |
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| 10:19.58 | darxmurf | I'll ask the guy to cleanup this sh*t |
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| 10:28.22 | petn-randall | darxmurf: I bet even a 'ls' on the folder takes ages. |
| 10:29.23 | darxmurf | oooh yes |
| 10:29.32 | darxmurf | and don't even try to rm * :D |
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| 10:29.36 | darxmurf | it crashes |
| 10:30.07 | darxmurf | by the way you probably know the rsync trick to speed up deletes ? :-) |
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| 10:30.39 | darxmurf | use the --delete option to rsync an empty folder in a full one, it's faster than rm and find | xargs |
| 10:30.47 | darxmurf | :-) |
| 10:31.02 | darxmurf | and it's week-end time, see you folks ! |
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| 10:32.54 | BCMM | darxmurf: hang on are you saying it's faster than rm -r? |
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| 10:33.04 | BCMM | that's awesome, but *how*? |
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| 10:36.37 | darxmurf | rm is doing tests and stuffs before to delete a file |
| 10:36.43 | darxmurf | rsync dosen't care |
| 10:36.51 | darxmurf | apparently it's even faster with a perl script |
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| 10:40.36 | Kelsar | if you need to delete a directory you can't even list anymore, because of the number of files, unlink the directory and do fsck ;) |
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| 10:45.03 | wrksx | Hum this line in the fstab causes an error: /static /ftp/static none defaults, bind 0 0 |
| 10:45.13 | wrksx | the error is: mount: /static is not a block device |
| 10:45.38 | wrksx | but if I do mount --bind /static /ftp/static it works right away |
| 10:45.40 | petererer | try defaults,bind |
| 10:45.52 | petererer | pretty sure you can't have a space there |
| 10:45.56 | wrksx | oh my |
| 10:46.09 | wrksx | never suspected that |
| 10:46.17 | wrksx | Goin to try that |
| 10:46.24 | petererer | it's a space-separated file, so :) |
| 10:46.26 | wrksx | IS there a way to test fstab without reboot ? |
| 10:46.31 | petererer | "mount /static" |
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| 10:46.45 | wrksx | petererer: yeah right =) I just didn't even see it |
| 10:46.59 | wrksx | petererer: perfect, goin to try it right now thx |
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| 10:52.53 | wrksx | petererer: the mount /static command doesn't work it says /sda5 is already mounted on /static |
| 10:53.15 | wrksx | I don't get it, should i reference the source or the mount point in mount |
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| 10:54.06 | teatime | wrksx: normally you have to give both device and mountpoint, but if the device/mountpoint pair is already configured in /etc/fstab, you can give either one |
| 10:54.09 | wrksx | petererer: actually man mount answered my question |
| 10:54.20 | wrksx | then mount looks for a mountpoint (and if not found then for a device) in the /etc/fstab file. |
| 10:54.45 | wrksx | teatime: thx for your input |
| 10:54.53 | wrksx | I'll try with the mountpoint instead |
| 10:54.57 | teatime | `mount -a` will try to mount all from fstab that are auto (instead of noauto) & aren't already mounted |
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| 10:56.03 | petererer | wrksx, well it was already mounted. just unmount it first, then try. |
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| 10:56.49 | wrksx | petererer: no it wasn't, atually /static was also a mountpoint, and mount check these before checking mount src |
| 10:57.03 | wrksx | mount /ftp/static worked |
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| 10:57.31 | wrksx | petererer: teatime: thank you guys, very nice to get some help |
| 10:57.43 | petererer | Oh, of course. The "you can give either one" is probably not right for bind mount points :-) |
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| 10:59.44 | teatime | heh |
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| 11:14.37 | Slashman | hello, I'm trying to figure out why on some servers on Debian 9 I don't have any the following cgroup hierarchy: /sys/fs/cgroup/pids/user.slice/user-[0-9]*.slice/ while on other I have it, any idea? |
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| 11:23.44 | petn-randall | Slashman: Out of curiosity, or are you trying to fix an actual problem? |
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| 11:26.07 | Slashman | petn-randall: I need to update the maximum number of processes on a several servers for users currently logged in with an ansible role I'm creating, it means updating the files /sys/fs/cgroup/pids/user.slice/user-[0-9]*.slice/pids.max |
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| 12:39.05 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 12:39.32 | tobiasBora | I'd like to know, when my friend start it's computer, he has an error "a start job is running for Wait for network to be configured by ifupdown" |
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| 12:41.20 | tobiasBora | the problem is that this stays during 5mn, really long |
| 12:41.54 | tobiasBora | we tried to change DefaultTimeoutStopSec and DefaultTimeoutStartSec in /etc/systemd/system.conf, but the time is not changed |
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| 12:42.48 | tobiasBora | any idea why these default settings does not apply at boot? |
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| 12:46.28 | RoyK | tobiasBora: quite possibly an nfs mount or something similar |
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| 12:49.27 | tobiasBora | RoyK: what is the link with network and mouting? |
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| 12:50.46 | RoyK | tobiasBora: if you add _netdev in mount options, it shouldn't try to mount that fs before networking is active |
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| 13:01.59 | tobiasBora | RoyK: the thing is that I don't want to wait that the network become available to start. But I think I pointed it out |
| 13:02.48 | teatime | considers IPv6 DAD, but that shouldn't take near 5min |
| 13:04.00 | abrotman | tobiasBora: if you add the _netdev, it will tell fstab that it needs to attempt to mount hte FS after the network appears |
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| 13:04.03 | abrotman | if that's the problem |
| 13:04.46 | RoyK | (like I said :þ) |
| 13:04.55 | z8z | Is there any GUI tool to compare binary files using Krusader? |
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| 13:07.19 | tobiasBora | abrotman: well I don't want to mount any FS, everything is fine ^^ I just want to understand why systemd-networkd-wait-online.service was enabled by default, and why changing DefaultTimeoutStartSec in /etc/systemd/system.conf did not decrease the 5mn before it starts |
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| 13:09.02 | Jackneill | hey |
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| 13:10.12 | Jackneill | i have a RADIUS network and want to setup metworkmanager to connect to it (username,pw). how can i? user's username is the same as the login username so is pw. networkmanagewr finds that connection but unable to connect to it, and just forever tries to connect. |
| 13:10.14 | Jackneill | any idea? |
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| 13:13.20 | teatime | do you mean 802.1x or something? |
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| 13:23.05 | _k0ala_ | Hello, I have a question. |
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| 13:23.21 | _k0ala_ | Where are my connections stored in Debian? |
| 13:23.39 | _k0ala_ | So like if I want to manage my connections via a CLI, how would I do that? |
| 13:24.13 | tobiasBora | _k0ala_: nmcli is the cli tool of network manager |
| 13:24.23 | tobiasBora | it's quite powerful |
| 13:24.28 | _k0ala_ | tobiasBora thanks. |
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| 13:27.46 | Jackneill | teatime, yes |
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| 13:51.59 | l0nl3y | how to set path for any program so as to open from terminal |
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| 13:53.51 | petn-randall | l0nl3y: Can you explain what you'd like to do? It's not clear from your description. |
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| 13:54.58 | l0nl3y | making a program open from terminal such that when i set certain name it opens when i call it in teminal |
| 13:55.39 | l0nl3y | like any other programs that open when you type in termainal |
| 13:56.29 | ikus060 | l0nl3y: Are you refering to the PATH environment variable ? |
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| 13:57.11 | l0nl3y | how to set it permanently |
| 13:57.29 | ikus060 | l0nl3y: You may redefine it at various place. At user level in ~/.bashrc , at system level in /etc/bashrc |
| 13:58.11 | ikus060 | l0nl3y: You need to append directory location like this. export PATH="$PATH:/my/new/path" |
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| 14:01.23 | donofrio | is debian going to support wsl users here or are you folks going to create a separate channel? |
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| 14:06.59 | Brigo | donofrio, wsl? |
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| 14:08.45 | teatime | donofrio: def. not going to be supported here, lol |
| 14:08.57 | donofrio | Brigo, windows subsystem for linux https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/03/06/debian-gnulinux-for-wsl-now-available-in-the-windows-store/ |
| 14:09.23 | Brigo | donofrio, i don't know how could we support that. |
| 14:09.35 | teatime | was about to setup a 4-drive mdadm raid10 w/ LVM on top, but now is thinking, perhaps I should use the raid features of LVM instead of mdadm? never done that before... |
| 14:09.50 | Brigo | teatime, ask google. |
| 14:09.52 | teatime | it almost seems like I can choose to have mirroring or not etc. etc. (and thus have much more usable space, ultimately) on a per-LV basis |
| 14:09.55 | teatime | but that doesn't seem right? |
| 14:10.01 | donofrio | I guess I was just asking cause ubuntu has two channels and was hoping that this one would be supported in this channel but if two then so be it |
| 14:10.04 | teatime | Brigo: uh. about what? |
| 14:10.24 | Brigo | about what is best for you. |
| 14:10.41 | teatime | that's, not very helpful, Brigo. |
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| 14:11.20 | Brigo | donofrio, i have never used wsl, so i can't help with that. I think that is a MS support question. |
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| 14:13.09 | donofrio | Brigo, Debian is in "the Store" now so it's from this group and hosted on MS store.... I use ubuntu (http://www.tinyurl.com/donofrio1804) but will be retooling for debian9 as soon as I find the cloud amd64 squishfs file |
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| 14:16.00 | Brigo | donofrio, i know Debian is now in the Store, but that's all i know about. |
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| 14:16.57 | donofrio | anyone able to point me in the direction/url to the cloud debian 9 squishfs file? |
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| 14:22.38 | ChunkzZ | can anyone help me setup minidlna? I've _tried_ to set it up but my xbox doesn't see it :( I'm using Debian Stretch..... |
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| 14:37.25 | Jackneill | hey |
| 14:37.39 | Jackneill | how can i setup persistent remote connection/desktop sharing setup? |
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| 14:38.49 | zmei | Hi, I installed debian on my mac mini and after running the upgrade commands, I get an error when booting. My keyboard is not recognized hence I am stuck with the error screen and no way to fix things. |
| 14:39.09 | zmei | dracut Warning /dev/disk/... does not exist |
| 14:39.13 | zmei | Dropping to debug shell |
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| 14:51.22 | ChunkzZ | anyone? |
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| 14:51.51 | donofrio | zmei, ppc or x86 |
| 14:51.54 | ejr | if i want to use testing, should i have the security packaged activated or not? the wiki is a bit ambiguos about this |
| 14:52.10 | ejr | *packages |
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| 14:52.45 | zmei | donofrio x86 |
| 14:53.29 | petn-randall | !buster sources.list |
| 14:53.29 | dpkg | Debian 9 "Stretch" has only just been released which means that it's a bad time for people who don't know a lot about Debian to be trying to use the 'testing' release (aka buster). If you have to ask this question, you shouldn't! |
| 14:53.32 | petn-randall | ejr: ^ |
| 14:53.40 | petn-randall | hmm, that doesn't help too much. |
| 14:54.12 | petn-randall | ejr: In general testing doesn't receive any updates via security.debian.org, so no, that shouldn't be in your sources.list. |
| 14:54.22 | petn-randall | ejr: Any reason you want to upgrade to testing? |
| 14:54.36 | ejr | petn-randall: thx |
| 14:54.58 | teatime | is gonna add testing, unstable, experimental, etc., to his stable workstation, and pin them like -1 or -50000 or whatever. just so he can use apt-show-versions and everything else on them easily. |
| 14:55.05 | ejr | petn-randall: yes, i need some newer versions of a few packages |
| 14:55.09 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 14:55.10 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 14:55.16 | aci | Stretch is dull and boring and sounds like Etch. |
| 14:55.34 | aci | Can't have it that way! |
| 14:55.40 | petn-randall | ejr: You should use backports instead, testing is not a release, it's a testbed for the upcoming release. |
| 14:56.35 | ejr | petn-randall: i have already used testing for some time a few years ago and didn't experience any issues though. isn't what you say more appropriate for unstable? |
| 14:57.16 | petn-randall | ejr: testing is pretty much the same as sid, just 5 days older. |
| 14:58.00 | petn-randall | teatime: or you could simply use docker or a chroot for that. |
| 14:58.07 | teatime | petn-randall: I suppose |
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| 15:30.30 | donofrio | zmei, reinstall from fresh hd wipe, does it work then? |
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| 15:31.13 | notadrop | Hi, I tried to downgrade to the previous version of Firefox, but I'm not able to. I'm still kind of new to Debian. Is the previous version no longer in the repos? (I didn't see it in snapshot.debian.org, so where do I get it from?) |
| 15:31.14 | wuzamarine | I cannot update https://bpaste.net/show/378108fbe445 I tried everything here https://askubuntu.com/questions/13065/how-do-i-fix-the-gpg-error-no-pubkey GPG error. |
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| 15:32.09 | wuzamarine | notadrop: why would you be backporting? you want the latest/greatest only. |
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| 15:32.30 | notadrop | wuzamarine: ah, you assume to know what I want better than I do. cool |
| 15:32.55 | notadrop | actually I am on stable and I use Firefox from sid, and I accidentally broke a thing, so I need to go back one version |
| 15:33.04 | wuzamarine | notadrop: its not about what you want, you're not supposed to be running eol code. |
| 15:33.35 | zmei | donofrio, can't do anything apart from rebooting using the power button |
| 15:33.38 | notadrop | wuzamarine: so can you help me roll back to the previous version or not |
| 15:33.46 | notadrop | if not, please stop hilighting me, thank you |
| 15:34.04 | notadrop | I understand where you are coming from btw |
| 15:34.16 | wuzamarine | notadrop: typically those avenues are blocked, for a very good reason. Takes crafty work to hack it in. |
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| 15:34.20 | notadrop | the update I accidentally installed was actually being held back. |
| 15:34.25 | zmei | I have no screw driver for the screws to access the hard drive |
| 15:34.33 | notadrop | wuzamarine: yes I'm aware. I used to run Arch so hacky doesn't scare me, lol. |
| 15:35.01 | notadrop | as in, hacked together with duct tape :) |
| 15:35.19 | donofrio | zmei, no need hold down option key and boot menu should show up....from a power up |
| 15:36.08 | notadrop | wuzamarine: this is confusing me: |
| 15:36.11 | wuzamarine | notadrop: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_guide/Source_Code/Downloading_Source_Archives |
| 15:36.12 | RoyK | that thing about the option key is just to avoid the stupid things they have done in ubuntu - not a ebian problem |
| 15:36.36 | RoyK | s/\<ebian\>/debian/ |
| 15:36.37 | notadrop | sudo less /var/log/apt/history.log | grep firefox |
| 15:36.40 | notadrop | Upgrade: firefox:amd64 (58.0.1-1, 58.0.1-1+b1) |
| 15:36.47 | notadrop | then |
| 15:36.49 | notadrop | sudo less /var/log/apt/history.log | grep firefox |
| 15:36.52 | notadrop | Upgrade: firefox:amd64 (58.0.1-1, 58.0.1-1+b1) |
| 15:36.53 | notadrop | damn it, sorry |
| 15:37.04 | notadrop | E: Unable to locate package firefox=58.0.1-1 |
| 15:37.09 | RoyK | notadrop: or just 'sudo grep firefox /var/log/apt/history.log' |
| 15:37.19 | RoyK | no need to go through less |
| 15:37.20 | notadrop | so why can apt not find this package? is it no longer in the repo? |
| 15:37.28 | notadrop | RoyK: thanks! |
| 15:37.53 | wuzamarine | notadrop: the repo drops eol code. Thats one of the BENEFITS of Linux. |
| 15:37.58 | RoyK | dpkg -l | grep -i firefox? apt search firefox? |
| 15:37.58 | dpkg | ii | grep -i firefox? apt search firefox 1.7-15.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 15:38.01 | notadrop | and, like I said, I'm new to Debian, but [version]+b1 looks to me to be beta one |
| 15:38.08 | zmei | donofrio it does show up but my keyboard is not recognized |
| 15:38.25 | notadrop | wuzamarine: again I understand... you're telling me things I already know |
| 15:38.28 | zmei | So it uses the default option and the error shows up again |
| 15:38.56 | wuzamarine | notadrop: you're trying to do something considered very ignorant. Yes, the repo dropped that old nasty/hacked version of FF |
| 15:39.29 | notadrop | wuzamarine: apt was holding the update back until I specifically told it to upgrade firefox by accident |
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| 15:39.49 | notadrop | wuzamarine: again you presume to know more about my sitation than I do, please just stop |
| 15:40.26 | wuzamarine | notadrop: you probably accidently updated your repo list. Then it broke the bad news to you when the list refreshed. |
| 15:41.02 | notadrop | wuzamarine: is there not some cache of previoius versions of packages on Debian, like Arch has, in case of e.g. regression? |
| 15:41.09 | notadrop | wuzamarine: on the local system |
| 15:41.49 | wuzamarine | notadrop: which all the internet hacks? nope. Old code gets completely ditched very quickly in the browser down streams |
| 15:42.01 | teatime | yes, there is one on the local system, if you don't erase it (and I beleive apt command may by default) |
| 15:42.04 | teatime | also snapshots.debian.org |
| 15:42.15 | notadrop | *thank you* teatime |
| 15:42.20 | wuzamarine | with |
| 15:42.30 | teatime | FF 58 seems like an odd one to be trying to get back to |
| 15:42.32 | notadrop | which man page do I read to learn more about this teatime? I don't see anything relevant in apt-cache so far. |
| 15:42.35 | teatime | you are not on stable, are you? |
| 15:42.39 | notadrop | I am |
| 15:42.47 | teatime | how did you get 58 to begin with? |
| 15:42.52 | notadrop | I have my ways |
| 15:42.54 | notadrop | apt pinning |
| 15:42.54 | apt | it has been said that pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
| 15:43.02 | notadrop | or repo pinning or whatever it's called. |
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| 15:43.20 | notadrop | the whole reason I'm trying to do this is to get Tidal and Netflix to work again |
| 15:43.33 | notadrop | like I mentioned to another user in here, they worked when I was on 58.0.1-1 |
| 15:43.41 | teatime | netflix works in firefox-esr for me, fwiw |
| 15:43.43 | notadrop | and broke when I accidentally explicitly upgraded to +b1 |
| 15:44.00 | notadrop | just |
| 15:44.18 | notadrop | what I am trying to do is find a local cache of the previous version of Firefox I had installed |
| 15:44.29 | notadrop | I am aware that ESR works, repo pinning is hacky, EOL code is bad, etc etc |
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| 15:45.27 | notadrop | surely there's some way to do this in Debian? |
| 15:45.33 | wuzamarine | notadrop: 58 should be available. The Mint downstream is still on 57 |
| 15:45.33 | teatime | welp, the pkgs are in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:45.45 | teatime | so you can at least see if you have it; snapshots.debian.org may work better for you |
| 15:45.50 | teatime | good luck and godspeed etc. etc. |
| 15:45.55 | petn-randall | notadrop: Where did you install FF 58 from? |
| 15:46.17 | notadrop | teatime: thank you, much appreciated :) |
| 15:46.28 | notadrop | teatime: have a good weekend. |
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| 15:50.24 | wuzamarine | In my cynical old age I find it somewhat amusing to watch admins desperately trying to revive zombies. EOL = end of life. Let it be dead. |
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| 15:51.08 | wuzamarine | even though 58 its really dead. |
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| 15:51.15 | wuzamarine | just in your package tree. |
| 15:51.23 | wuzamarine | isn't |
| 15:51.30 | wuzamarine | dead |
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| 15:52.35 | wuzamarine | I am having the complete opposite issue, can't update. :/ |
| 15:52.47 | teatime | wuzamarine: oh? |
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| 15:53.27 | wuzamarine | teatime: I cannot update https://bpaste.net/show/378108fbe445 I tried everything here https://askubuntu.com/questions/13065/how-do-i-fix-the-gpg-error-no-pubkey GPG error. |
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| 15:55.06 | teatime | wuzamarine: 1) for the moment, you can just disable that repo and do the rest of your updates, 2) ubuntu ppa's ?? |
| 15:55.59 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 15:55.59 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:56.09 | notadrop | is Debian Stable more secure than Arch Linux by default? |
| 15:56.19 | petn-randall | wuzamarine: We would need *all* of the above to help you, just an excerpt is not enough. ^^^ |
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| 15:59.14 | wuzamarine | teatime: trying that now |
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| 16:00.05 | wuzamarine | petn-randall: https://bpaste.net/show/f00156af043f |
| 16:00.09 | wuzamarine | my bad |
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| 16:01.43 | notadrop | teatime: maybe you can help me figure something out. when I did a system-wide upgrade, everything still worked fine, apt held back a firefox upgrade. I update, and I break drm (even in Chromium.) I roll back firefox and things still don't work |
| 16:02.07 | notadrop | I update firefox** |
| 16:02.20 | notadrop | third sentence should start with that |
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| 16:03.21 | wuzamarine | petn-randall: yeah, that worked. I should of seen that. Thank you! |
| 16:04.07 | wuzamarine | notadrop: just uninstall FF and then reinstall from source |
| 16:04.20 | wuzamarine | kick it out of the package manager |
| 16:04.36 | wuzamarine | no exactly advisable, but still |
| 16:05.16 | petn-randall | notadrop: You still haven't explained how you got FF 58 on stable. |
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| 16:05.30 | notadrop | petn-randall: repo pinning of Firefox and some libs it needs |
| 16:05.39 | notadrop | petn-randall: I know, it's kind of hacky, but it's worked for me *so far* |
| 16:05.45 | petn-randall | notadrop: Repo pinning of *what*? |
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| 16:06.14 | petn-randall | wuzamarine: You likely want to ask in #ubuntu for further support, this channel is for Debian only. |
| 16:06.15 | notadrop | petn-randall: sid |
| 16:06.17 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 16:06.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 16:06.25 | petn-randall | notadrop: Ah, the classic Frankendebian! |
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| 16:06.27 | wuzamarine | Time for a reboot folks! |
| 16:06.29 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 16:06.29 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 16:06.30 | notadrop | petn-randall: :) |
| 16:06.35 | wuzamarine | petn-randall: I'm good |
| 16:06.56 | notadrop | petn-randall: yes I've heard that spiel before, lol |
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| 16:07.18 | petn-randall | notadrop: That's not a setup that is supported, neither is it recommended. Your best bet is to either stick with FF ESR from stable, or install FF 58 from upstream. |
| 16:07.57 | thms | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.05 | notadrop | petn-randall: I would install it from upstream, but then I have to do updates manually, etc... I guess if Firefox can notify me when there is an update, that's not all bad |
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| 16:08.33 | notadrop | I just prefer running apt upgrade to downloading and unzipping and etc |
| 16:08.43 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 16:08.56 | notadrop | and this is my personal machine, so I'm not too worried about stability. |
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| 16:09.42 | petn-randall | notadrop: When you mix stable and sid, you're already leaving the well-trodden path, so ... |
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| 16:11.05 | donofrio | zmei, sounds like my macbookpro1,1 that is 64 bit but only has 32 bit bootloader, I had to make a customer timer countdown grub from usb image, then use plop with default timeout of boot to usb, on a cdrom then booting off of the cdrom loads the 7k plop app then it knows how to bot to usb with timer because like you said your keyboard doesn't work... |
| 16:11.10 | notadrop | petn-randall: yeah, I understand that |
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| 16:11.49 | brokencycle | Hi! I'm trying to create a backport of golang-github-dnephin-cobra and get this: "gbp:error: Version 1.5.1+git20170113.0.0e9ca70-2 not found" |
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| 16:13.03 | brokencycle | So I ran git tag -l and found that there is upstream/1.5.1+git20170113.0.0e9ca70, which should imho work. |
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| 16:17.44 | notadrop | why does chromium-widevine (drm for chromium) depend on an older version than the current version in the repos? |
| 16:17.54 | notadrop | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.52 | petn-randall | ,v chromium |
| 16:18.53 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster: 62.0.3202.89-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 64.0.3282.119-1~deb9u1; sid: 64.0.3282.119-2+b2 |
| 16:19.21 | notadrop | how did I get chromium from sid 0_o |
| 16:19.39 | petn-randall | notadrop: ... and that's why you don't mix stable and sid. |
| 16:20.18 | petn-randall | notadrop: Word of advice: Reinstall stable and get FF from mozilla if your life really depends on running the latest version. |
| 16:20.45 | notadrop | petn-randall: yeah I will be doing this |
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| 16:22.39 | NetTerminalGene | does buster use wayland by default? |
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| 16:26.47 | notadrop | petn-randall: I grabbed Firefox from source, and put it in /opt/... so now how do I "install" it, i.e. generate .desktop files and put it in my path? |
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| 16:30.13 | annadane | NetTerminalGene, it depends on the desktop |
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| 16:32.25 | NetTerminalGene | annadane, i am talking about gnome |
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| 16:33.07 | notadrop | pretty sure gnome is one of the few that even supports Wayland... |
| 16:34.23 | NetTerminalGene | notadrop, regarding your question. do you use gnome? |
| 16:34.30 | notadrop | NetTerminalGene: yes I do! |
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| 16:36.16 | NetTerminalGene | notadrop, https://paste.debian.net/1013992/ |
| 16:36.30 | NetTerminalGene | i use that .desktop file |
| 16:36.36 | tw | qt and sdl both have support for wayland. Including gtk+, that's the trifecta of major windowing toolkits. |
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| 16:36.55 | NetTerminalGene | you can change "exec" section to your set up |
| 16:37.48 | NetTerminalGene | notadrop, and put your .desktop file to "/usr/share/applications" |
| 16:37.52 | notadrop | NetTerminalGene: what do I do, regarding this, what's the proper way... |
| 16:37.54 | notadrop | $ firefox |
| 16:37.57 | notadrop | Error: cannot find the program in the path |
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| 16:38.33 | NetTerminalGene | notadrop, give me full dir for you /opt |
| 16:38.56 | NetTerminalGene | your* |
| 16:39.02 | notadrop | NetTerminalGene: /opt/firefox/firefox/firefox |
| 16:39.14 | notadrop | hold on, lol |
| 16:39.22 | NetTerminalGene | ok. paste it to terminal |
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| 16:41.18 | notadrop | NetTerminalGene: /opt/firefox/firefox is where the binary is |
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| 16:41.59 | NetTerminalGene | notadrop, paste it to your terminal |
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| 16:43.18 | petn-randall | notadrop: IIRC you don't put it in /opt/, but somewhere in your homedir and add that to your $PATH. |
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| 16:43.48 | tw | fwiw, .desktop files can go in ~/.local/share/applications/ |
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| 16:44.13 | moldy | hi |
| 16:44.19 | notadrop | NetTerminalGene: where would I put a symbolic link? /usr/bin? |
| 16:44.36 | tw | notadrop: add /opt/firefox to your PATH environment variable. |
| 16:44.41 | tw | symlink is not necessary. |
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| 16:44.58 | notadrop | could I just add /opt/* ? |
| 16:45.12 | tw | Path search is not recursive. |
| 16:45.17 | notadrop | ah |
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| 16:45.57 | NetTerminalGene | notadrop, "sudo mv /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox-old" after that "sudo ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox" |
| 16:46.05 | moldy | when the output of apt says something like "Need to get 1000MB of archives", is that MiB (1000 * 1024 * 1024 bytes), or is it 1000**3 bytes? |
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| 16:46.49 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: no, that'll break in very interesting ways. |
| 16:46.52 | tw | NetTerminalGene: that messes with dpkg-managed files, not a good plan. |
| 16:46.58 | petn-randall | ^ |
| 16:47.04 | NetTerminalGene | i use like that |
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| 16:47.10 | NetTerminalGene | what is the correct way? |
| 16:47.23 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: If there's a firefox update, that symlink will be overwritten. |
| 16:47.24 | notadrop | adding to to PATH like they said, I assume. |
| 16:47.26 | tw | I'm sure it'll work great, up to the point where you apt-get upgrade and get a new version of ff. |
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| 16:48.22 | NetTerminalGene | petn-randall, it didn't get overwritten |
| 16:48.39 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: Then you didn't get a firefox update. |
| 16:49.09 | NetTerminalGene | hmm |
| 16:49.14 | NetTerminalGene | i don't remember |
| 16:49.17 | Logg | anyone know why drives don't automount while gparted is open? |
| 16:49.23 | tw | What I do is add $HOME/bin/ to the beginning of my PATH. Then if I need to force a preference of a binary override of a system bin, I symlink it into that directory. |
| 16:49.26 | Logg | once gparted is closed, they mount automatically. |
| 16:49.29 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: Run 'apt-get --reinstall install firefox-esr' and look again. |
| 16:49.44 | NetTerminalGene | petn-randall, no thanks |
| 16:50.53 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 16:52.15 | notadrop | anything wrong with creating /opt/bin and then ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /opt/bin/firefox and then adding /opt/bin to PATH? |
| 16:52.22 | notadrop | that seems like the best way to me |
| 16:53.14 | petn-randall | notadrop: why not creat the symlink in /usr/local/bin/? That's already in your path just for that. |
| 16:53.29 | tw | notadrop: I've only ever seen /opt implemented as /opt/vendorname/package/{normal /usr-like hierarchy} |
| 16:53.46 | notadrop | petn-randall: will do |
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| 16:55.14 | tw | petn-randall: do you know if that's part of init's path? Not that it matters here, in the case of a browser. |
| 16:55.24 | notadrop | any idea how to get firejail to work with manually installed firefox? |
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| 16:55.31 | notadrop | if not I guess I have some reading to do |
| 16:56.20 | jelly | tw: just helped a coworker massage some horrible mostrosity called zimbra into living, it actually does /opt/zimbra/postfix-2.10.1-e.7-2/{conf,sbin,blah} ... all of their "etc" subdirs are "conf" for some reason |
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| 16:59.29 | somiaj | notadrop: why do you think it would work differntly with manually installed? Seems you just need to give it to the path of the app you want to jail. |
| 16:59.57 | tw | jelly: I can't say I'm a fan of that, but I'm not surprised either. /opt-installed packages are kind of a s@^*show because it's up to the vendor to implement whatever they want. |
| 17:00.10 | NetTerminalGene | notadrop, "firejail --private=~/Browser --caps.drop=all /opt/firefox/firefox %u" in "exec" |
| 17:01.07 | NetTerminalGene | damn! i revealed my private dir. |
| 17:01.14 | jelly | HP and Kaspersky actually follow FHS to the letter. /opt/vendor, /var/opt/vendor, /etc/opt/vendor |
| 17:02.01 | jelly | /opt/bin is not compliant without at least making it /opt/vendor/bin |
| 17:02.23 | shtrb|laptop | I'm getting hit by really nasty "feature" of iwlwifi, if airplane mode had been enabled I must boot into windows to enable it. I do see a message Microcode SW error detected (debian bug 700629), any ideas how to renable without booting to win10 ? (tried reboot,Shutdown and start,Checked in the BIOS to see if enabled, even upgraded to testing just to have my WiFi but still can't figure that out) |
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| 17:03.20 | shtrb|laptop | If I boot into Windows and back to Debian WiFi works flawlessly |
| 17:03.24 | somiaj | shtrb|laptop: you have tried rfkill? |
| 17:03.37 | jelly | shtrb|laptop: if there's a workaround someone usuually writes about it at the bug number |
| 17:03.45 | shtrb|laptop | yes, it's stuck on Hard Blocked |
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| 17:05.09 | notadrop | do #comments work in .desktop files? |
| 17:05.17 | shtrb|laptop | forgot to add "Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6235 (rev 24)" |
| 17:06.35 | notadrop | this is such a pain in the arse |
| 17:06.45 | notadrop | this is why I just pinned the sid repo for firefox and its libs |
| 17:06.53 | notadrop | copy this here, set this up there... |
| 17:07.33 | tw | #comments work. https://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s03.html |
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| 17:08.55 | notadrop | is there some simple way to just install the latest Firefox from Mozilla on Stretch, without having to run around making links and stuff? |
| 17:09.17 | shtrb|laptop | backports or manual |
| 17:09.35 | notadrop | whatever is easier, so backports I guess |
| 17:09.51 | shtrb|laptop | and safer |
| 17:09.55 | notadrop | right |
| 17:09.58 | shtrb|laptop | ,v firefox-esr |
| 17:09.59 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.6.0esr-2+b1; sid: |
| 17:10.00 | judd | 52.6.0esr-2+b1 |
| 17:10.07 | notadrop | ,v firefox |
| 17:10.08 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 58.0.1-1+b1; experimental: 59.0~b4-1 |
| 17:10.42 | annadane | notadrop, wiki.debian.org/Firefox |
| 17:11.36 | notadrop | this is exactly what I want to avoid annadane |
| 17:11.50 | notadrop | make this link, make this desktop file, download this binary, copy it here |
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| 17:12.00 | notadrop | I cba |
| 17:12.16 | somiaj | This summer the new firefox-esr will make it into stretch. |
| 17:12.32 | tw | Not looking forward to that. |
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| 17:17.19 | notadrop | so I have installed chromium-widevine but chromium insists it's not installed |
| 17:17.24 | notadrop | any ideas? |
| 17:17.35 | notadrop | at this point I'm ready to back to a Mac |
| 17:17.45 | notadrop | I don't have time for this stuff |
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| 17:20.43 | JordiGH | I'm using Mate and pretty much every GTK app I open from the terminal floods my terminal with GTK warnings about CSS themes being wrong. |
| 17:20.53 | JordiGH | I don't care about those warnings. |
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| 17:21.02 | JordiGH | How do I tell GTK to kindly stfu? |
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| 17:21.36 | tw | 2>/dev/null usually works |
| 17:22.07 | jelly | it also hides actual stderr should the app have anything to say |
| 17:22.07 | annadane | why 2? |
| 17:22.14 | annadane | oh, right |
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| 17:22.49 | JordiGH | I wonder how come nobody else online seems to be complaining about this. |
| 17:22.55 | JordiGH | Why is this only happening to me? |
| 17:23.00 | jelly | I don't have anything nice to say about either gnome or kde apps that spew crap out stdout/stderr by default |
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| 17:23.27 | tw | Most desktop users have stdout/err going to some logfile somewhere and never see the X session console. |
| 17:23.30 | jelly | JordiGH: everyone else starts apps via menu and crap goes to ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 17:23.46 | JordiGH | I mean, this happens even for Emacs. |
| 17:23.52 | JordiGH | Emacs! |
| 17:23.55 | JordiGH | You messed with my Emacs. |
| 17:23.57 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 17:24.00 | JordiGH | Prepare to die, GKT warnings. |
| 17:24.07 | jelly | pick a different widget |
| 17:24.20 | jelly | bomb gnome devs |
| 17:24.22 | jelly | dunno. |
| 17:24.22 | JordiGH | ;_; |
| 17:24.26 | tw | maybe you need emacs-nox? |
| 17:24.42 | annadane | you could switch to vim :-) |
| 17:24.46 | JordiGH | No, Emacs without X is crippled Emacs. Terminals can't represent all the keybindings that Emacs uses. |
| 17:24.55 | JordiGH | annadane: vimscript yuck now |
| 17:24.55 | jelly | maybe he wants to use both his pedals and clicky things |
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| 17:28.39 | volter | Hello, I don't seem to understand how Debian repositories work. If want to have my private repo and supply different binary packages of foo-1.0-1, reprepro won't let me do that. What's the proper way of solving this? |
| 17:29.10 | volter | I could add some kind of suffix to the package release part, but this doesn't look like the right way. |
| 17:31.28 | volter | I meant to say, I want to have the same thing packaged for different versions of Debian there. |
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| 17:33.32 | volter | "revision" appears to be the proper term in Debian for what I called "release". |
| 17:33.34 | jelly | volter: what do you mean biffereny binary packages of foo? |
| 17:33.39 | jelly | different, too |
| 17:33.54 | kryl | hi, I'm wondering about slow-downs since I'm transferring data through USB of all my desktop ? Is there a way to fix that ? or to understand what's happening ? please |
| 17:34.30 | jelly | volter: different packages built from same source? They just need to have different names. |
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| 17:34.38 | volter | jelly: I built the same .dsc in pbuilder for Jessie and Stretch. This results in non-identical packages. |
| 17:34.55 | jelly | volter: yes. |
| 17:35.16 | jelly | because different compiler versions, deps, etc. |
| 17:35.18 | jrtc27 | add something to the version number |
| 17:35.30 | volter | jelly: Yes, and that's totally fine. |
| 17:35.43 | volter | jelly: But I can't really add them to the repo like this. |
| 17:35.55 | jrtc27 | they should have different version numbers |
| 17:36.04 | jrtc27 | not just for your sanity |
| 17:36.07 | jrtc27 | but so upgrades work |
| 17:36.13 | jelly | volter: it is. However. A repo can only hold one package with unique (name, version) |
| 17:37.08 | volter | What surprises me though, is that some existing Debian package seem to have that suffix like "+deb8u3", while others don't, and they are both arch-dependent. How does that work there? |
| 17:37.14 | jelly | you can have separate repos, but then they cannot use the same pool |
| 17:37.46 | jelly | volter: that's just part of the version |
| 17:37.59 | jelly | ,v firefox-esr |
| 17:38.00 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.6.0esr-2+b1; sid: |
| 17:38.01 | judd | 52.6.0esr-2+b1 |
| 17:38.24 | annadane | kryl, what slows down, your desktop (or system in general)? |
| 17:38.41 | volter | Is that because there are often no version clashes between Debian versions and thus many of them don't need this version-bit glued on? |
| 17:38.58 | kryl | annadane, system in general |
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| 17:40.33 | volter | I guess this must be the reason. |
| 17:42.02 | volter | ,v tree |
| 17:42.04 | judd | Package: tree on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.0-1; wheezy-backports: 1.7.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.0-3; buster: 1.7.0-5; sid: 1.7.0-5; stretch: 1.7.0-5 |
| 17:42.37 | jelly | volter: there never are version clashes. |
| 17:42.58 | volter | Hm, buster, sid and stretch have the same NVR here though, don't they? |
| 17:43.13 | volter | Maybe the packages are identical? |
| 17:43.36 | jelly | package versions built for release N must always be strictly lower then versions built for debian release N+1 |
| 17:43.50 | jelly | volter: that's one same package |
| 17:43.52 | volter | *EVR |
| 17:44.31 | jelly | Packages file for stretch and buster and sid point to the same file in pool |
| 17:44.54 | volter | OK, I think I finally got it then. |
| 17:44.58 | volter | Thank you both! |
| 17:45.08 | jelly | firefox-esr is an example how backports of newer (upstream) versions can be handled with ~ |
| 17:46.03 | jelly | both jessie and stretch have 52.6.0esr, but jessie has 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1 and ~foo is compared as "always a bit lower version than one without ~foo" |
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| 17:47.05 | jelly | so 52.6.0esr-1~deb7u1 << 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1 << 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1 << 52.6.0esr-1 (if it existed) |
| 17:48.04 | jelly | (it probably existed at some point in sid) |
| 17:48.05 | volter | What's the convention with "+" verus "~"? |
| 17:48.29 | JordiGH | volter: There's a manpage that explains this stuff, let me see if I can find it. |
| 17:48.46 | jelly | ~ is special and reduces the version. Anything else just adds to it |
| 17:48.47 | JordiGH | deb-version(5) |
| 17:49.10 | volter | Thank you all. You are very supportive! |
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| 18:18.49 | akk | Hi -- some time in the last few months, testing lost a lot of the iso8859 characters in the -misc-fixed- X font, and I'm trying to figure out why. |
| 18:19.14 | akk | Anyone know anything about fonts? I'm trying to figure out whether I should report this as a bug. |
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| 18:20.23 | akk | The characters still show up fine on stretch, but not on testing. |
| 18:20.47 | greycat | Certainly *sounds* like a bug. I know nothing special about fonts though. |
| 18:21.13 | akk | The contents of /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/ seem to be the same between stretch and testing, so it may be a config option that changed somewhere. |
| 18:21.35 | greycat | And you're operating at 100dpi? |
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| 18:22.03 | teatime | akk: are you actually using iso8859 ? |
| 18:22.07 | akk | yes, more or less (xdpyinfo says 96x96) |
| 18:23.25 | greycat | I'm guessing very few people test Debian with a local charset of iso8859-* currently. |
| 18:23.28 | akk | Actually I'm not sure how to tell which dir it's using, I guess I should compare the 75dpi dirs too. |
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| 18:24.03 | teatime | akk: how are you determining what glyphs there are / that some are missing ? |
| 18:24.51 | akk | Oh, my stretch laptop only has 100dpi fonts, it doesn't even have the 75dpi ones. |
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| 18:25.16 | akk | teatime: I notice it in email (mutt), but it's easy to test from the shell: echo 'Hello \xE2\x80\x94 world' |
| 18:25.31 | akk | (that's an emdash, I think -- anyway some kind of dash) |
| 18:25.45 | akk | On testing, it shows up as an empty box, on stretch it's a dash. |
| 18:25.51 | greycat | in bash that needs to be printf 'Hello \xE2\x80\x94 world\n' |
| 18:26.07 | akk | ah, ok. I use zsh and both work there. |
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| 18:26.31 | greycat | Also note that that's *not* an ISO 8859-1 character. |
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| 18:26.44 | teatime | akk: please note that mutt doesn't give a crap about fonts |
| 18:26.49 | teatime | akk: what terminal are you using |
| 18:26.57 | akk | Oh! That's useful to know -- what character set is it in? |
| 18:26.59 | akk | teatime: xterm |
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| 18:27.18 | greycat | It shows up as a long dash in UTF-8 so you are probably in UTF-8. Type "locale" to see. |
| 18:27.27 | akk | Yes, my locale is utf8 |
| 18:27.42 | akk | That makes sense, I don't know why I thought it was 8859 |
| 18:27.59 | greycat | So, what is the exact problem you're seeing? Those three bytes written to xterm in buster don't give a long dash? They give something else? |
| 18:28.06 | teatime | probably this stuff was never even in the font you think; xterm hooks up w/ fontconfig these days or whatever |
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| 18:28.14 | akk | Right, they give an empty box (open rectangle) |
| 18:28.21 | akk | as do all the dash and curly-quote characters. |
| 18:28.23 | teatime | I think... anyway... |
| 18:28.34 | teatime | not even sure. I guess not if you specify a bitmap font specifically |
| 18:28.51 | akk | So my incoming email is full of these rectangles, where a few months ago they had the correct punctuation. |
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| 18:29.14 | akk | If I view the same email in the same font on stretch, I see the correct punctuation. |
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| 18:29.47 | greycat | And you can reproduce in xterm+zsh, so mutt is not relevant? |
| 18:29.49 | qeyoa | I found that in the last couple of weeks i have found that `apt-get update/upgrade` has no new updates on my debian buster system, while there were constantly some updates coming in before that. Is this normal? |
| 18:30.20 | teatime | well, update doesn't upgrade packages for one |
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| 18:30.29 | akk | Correct, I can reproduce in xterm+zsh (or bash). |
| 18:30.49 | teatime | akk: you have your xterm configured for a specific font? which one? |
| 18:31.04 | akk | XTerm*font: -misc-fixed-bold-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15 |
| 18:31.05 | greycat | So then the problem is either in xterm, or in a font package, or in something that *deals* with fonts (fontconfig, libx*, I don't know what). |
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| 18:31.18 | teatime | and is it possible you twiddled the xterm option to use or not use truetype fonts |
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| 18:31.28 | akk | (or -misc-fixed-bold-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-* -- it doesn't change anything) |
| 18:31.34 | z0 | hi ppl. can someone point me to a disk image of the current stable debian server netinst? |
| 18:31.41 | greycat | !netinst |
| 18:31.42 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 18:32.08 | akk | I'm pretty sure all the xterm options are the same between the two machines. |
| 18:32.23 | akk | I can use truetype fonts on X, if I replace that XTerm*font line |
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| 18:32.45 | z0 | gracias very mucho |
| 18:32.48 | akk | and as a temporary measure I've been doing that, but all the truetype fonts are super anti-aliased and fuzzy and they kinda give me a headache. |
| 18:33.06 | teatime | you can turn off AA for it |
| 18:33.33 | akk | I thought about trying to do that; I've been looking at /etc/fonts but there are so many different config files there |
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| 18:33.42 | akk | it looks like a huge job adjusting anything. |
| 18:33.45 | teatime | try: XTerm.vt100.faceName: mono:size=10:antialias=false |
| 18:33.58 | teatime | yeah, fontconfig is a ridiculous rabbit hole |
| 18:34.04 | akk | oh, cool! I'll try that, sec ... |
| 18:34.18 | teatime | but luckily it's generally already configured for what you want, if you can figure out how to make use of it |
| 18:34.56 | akk | teatime: Thank you! That :antialias=false did the trick, and that will work nicely as a workaround. |
| 18:35.17 | teatime | it's nice too 'cause it's not just one font anymore, fontconfig sets up a fontstack similar to how urxvt would |
| 18:35.20 | teatime | except system-wide |
| 18:35.21 | akk | I still wonder if I should report this character problem as a bug (though you're right, it could be a change in xterm and not the font system). |
| 18:35.57 | greycat | just for grins, can you install the stretch version of xterm? |
| 18:36.39 | akk | Good idea. |
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| 18:38.03 | akk | If I copy /usr/bin/xterm from stretch, it still shows boxes instead of correct punctuation. |
| 18:38.19 | majest1c | Im trying to pair my laptop with my bluetooth speaker (Harman kardon go+play), but when I click on the device in the bluetooth settings for gnome it just says "Not Set Up", I have made sure bluetooth is active on the pc and that it is activated on the speaker, works great on windows/android. |
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| 18:44.01 | arora | majest1c: Did you try clicking the device name in the gnome bluetooth settings window? |
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| 18:44.50 | majest1c | arora: yup, that does nothing, it just says "Not Set Up" when I press it |
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| 18:45.16 | arora | Weird, it sets up that way for me everytime. |
| 18:45.43 | akk | Interesting, Liberation Mono, DejaVu Sans Mono, and Book are all identical. There don't seem to be very many monospaced ttf fonts available. |
| 18:45.45 | majest1c | arora: when you connect to your e.g. bluetooth speaker? |
| 18:46.06 | arora | akk: Source Code Pro |
| 18:46.12 | arora | majest1c: Yeah |
| 18:46.18 | majest1c | thats very weird |
| 18:46.48 | arora | majest1c: Do you have blueman installed? |
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| 18:47.15 | majest1c | arora: no |
| 18:47.31 | teatime | akk: of those, DejaVu is the best, and Book is probably not an actual font the same way mono and monospace aren't |
| 18:48.17 | akk | teatime: One of DejaVu/Liberation seems to be an alias for the other, too. I looked at them side by side, they're identical AFAICT. |
| 18:48.24 | teatime | akk: Source Code Pro is indeed excellent, you migth also like FiraCode.. there's a a good few ones |
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| 18:48.46 | teatime | akk: Perhaps they are on your system, but you can install them separately and iirc they're not identically-similar |
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| 18:49.03 | dondelelcaro | yeah; they should be slightly different. |
| 18:49.07 | arora | majest1c: Try installing it, it will add an applet in the top bar from there you can configure it the same way |
| 18:49.14 | teatime | akk: if you're missing one, however, font-config is probably providing the other as a fallback |
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| 18:49.28 | akk | I have fonts-liberation installed, but I don't have fonts-liberation2 installed. |
| 18:50.04 | akk | and I have fonts-dejavu installed |
| 18:51.10 | dondelelcaro | there's also Free Mono, Noto, and unifont |
| 18:52.22 | majest1c | arora: I installed blueman and rebooted the computer but I still cant find the blueman applet when I search for it |
| 18:52.28 | akk | eww, installed fonts-liberation2 and now my Liberation mono:bold:size=9:antialias=false is coming out awful, non-bold and missing pixels and |
| 18:52.41 | akk | s/ and/ |
| 18:52.48 | akk | uninstalls fonts-liberation2 |
| 18:54.42 | majest1c | ah now I see it, I launched it through the software applet |
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| 18:56.07 | majest1c | "Failed to add device" |
| 18:57.53 | akk | Any guess at what package I should report a bug on for that misc-fixed character set problem? |
| 18:58.56 | akk | ooh, maybe xfonts-encodings |
| 18:59.16 | arora | majest1c: Do other bluetooth devices connect? |
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| 19:00.28 | ais14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.16 | hypn0 | is that a password :-) |
| 19:02.16 | ais14 | yes |
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| 19:02.24 | shtrb|laptop | change it |
| 19:02.27 | greycat | Time to choose another. :) Also, you are not nickserv. |
| 19:02.35 | ais14 | okay :) |
| 19:02.35 | greycat | Not much point sending a register command to yourself. |
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| 19:05.21 | majest1c | arora: yeah, now I removed the device in debian but now I cant even find it again, I rebooted the system etc and checked with blueman and gnomes own bluetooth applet but it cant detect the speaker, I also restarted the speaker |
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| 19:07.00 | jhutchins_wk | majest1c: There's often a way to put the device in pairing mode, that may be something you need to do. |
| 19:07.33 | majest1c | ive done it, something weird is going on since I removed the speaker from the bluetooth menu though |
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| 19:10.32 | majest1c | Now its detected and I can choose to connect it but once its trying to connect it just bounces back to "off", I managed to do this by installing some "pulseaudio" package |
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| 19:12.13 | tw | pulseaudio-module-bluetooth? |
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| 19:12.19 | majest1c | tw yeah |
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| 19:14.22 | tw | majest1c: have you been following https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser/a2dp ? |
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| 19:19.42 | Ave3l | mk3pq28 |
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| 19:20.51 | RoyK | Ave3l: time to change password? |
| 19:21.06 | greycat | (again) |
| 19:21.07 | SSgtSpoon | LOL |
| 19:21.07 | majest1c | tw: yeah but when I am pairing the device it says "Faield to add device" |
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| 19:21.26 | aci | Best password ever: ASLPLZM25 |
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| 19:23.28 | majest1c | the fact that it takes this long to configure a bluetooth device just proves that bluetooth technology is a fucking joke |
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| 19:25.29 | tw | majest1c: do you get any dmesg entries from your efforts? |
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| 19:25.50 | jelly | majest1c: on linux, possibly just on debian, yeah |
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| 19:26.31 | tw | When it works, it just works. But there's no "autodiscover the packages you need to run XYZ piece of bt hardware." |
| 19:26.44 | jelly | when it fails it's hell |
| 19:26.50 | tw | Which is often. |
| 19:27.02 | tw | Also, a2dp on linux *only* supports SBC. |
| 19:27.14 | tw | no aptX, aac, or mp3. |
| 19:27.26 | majest1c | one should just be able to connect to it, shouldnt take more than 30 seconds, it doenst work flawless in windows either |
| 19:27.33 | jelly | aptX might get reverse engineered one day |
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| 19:28.19 | jelly | dunno about windows, but android and ubuntu seem to mostly just work |
| 19:29.00 | tw | Going off topic here, but Windows doesn't ship a complete bt stack, so it really depends on the mfr's device drivers. |
| 19:29.57 | annadane | the joy of using debian when everything is "works on ubuntu" |
| 19:31.35 | tw | It's more an issue of "smaller default desktop install." AFAIK, the default debian desktop doesn't ship with either avahi or bluez. |
| 19:32.20 | somiaj | I think avahi is fairly default, I always see it sneaking on my machines without any desktop, bluez on the other hadn I think is usually optional |
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| 19:32.53 | greycat | ii avahi-daemon 0.6.32-2 amd64 Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD daemon |
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| 19:32.58 | greycat | Huh. Did not know.... |
| 19:33.19 | greycat | wooledg:~$ aptitude why avahi-daemon |
| 19:33.19 | greycat | i cups Recommends avahi-daemon |
| 19:33.43 | aci | blueman |
| 19:33.45 | aci | blues |
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| 19:35.09 | somiaj | greycat: libnss-mdns depends on it as well, which is why I have it |
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| 19:35.37 | jhutchins_wk | I thought most linux installers did some sort of hardware detection and installed support based on that. |
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| 19:35.55 | greycat | Not for bluetooth, of course. |
| 19:35.56 | somiaj | hmm, okay aptitude is confused, avahi-daemon is on my system because libnss-mdns depends on it, and libnss-mdns is on my system because avahi-daemon recommends it. |
| 19:36.07 | greycat | heh |
| 19:36.35 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Is it possible that system has seen more than one release of Debian? |
| 19:36.48 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: yea, this was from a jessie upgrade. |
| 19:37.07 | somiaj | but it turns out those two packages were holding each other in. |
| 19:37.28 | tw | okay, I'm wrong; task-desktop rec avahi-daemon. |
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| 19:37.59 | somiaj | avahi-daemon seems to sneak in fairly easily even on minmial installs, even if you don't use a desktop. |
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| 19:38.27 | tw | iirc, print server is default selected in tasksel when installing. |
| 19:38.50 | greycat | Well, I installed cups by choice on this one, because every once in a blue moon I have to print something. |
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| 19:39.24 | greycat | Usually an income tax form. |
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| 19:39.30 | tw | majest1c: I'd try the cli config method, and probably give up if it failed. |
| 19:39.33 | tw | majest1c: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/bluetooth#Configuration_via_the_CLI |
| 19:39.39 | somiaj | my job requires I print a lot. |
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| 20:14.01 | jhutchins_wk | Since I upgraded to stretch I can't print from my downstairs computer for some reason. I can add the printer, but cups says it can't connect. |
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| 20:15.54 | alkisg | jhutchins_wk: cupsctl | grep share |
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| 20:17.53 | jhutchins_wk | alkisg: Was working before the upgrade. |
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| 20:19.22 | jhutchins | alkisg:_share_printers=1 |
| 20:19.58 | alkisg | OK, that part is fine then... dunno |
| 20:20.11 | jhutchins_wk | I figure I just keep checking after significant upgrades. |
| 20:20.57 | jhutchins_wk | One thing I haven't tried is disabling ipv6. |
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| 20:29.27 | L0g4nAd4ms | i want to unlock the LUKS partition of a VPS via SSH. so i found out you need dropbear or tinyssh for this and somehow you have to edit the initramfs conf |
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| 20:30.39 | L0g4nAd4ms | but all i found up to this point was outdated info from ~2013 which did not work |
| 20:31.11 | vlt | L0g4nAd4ms: "did not work"? |
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| 20:33.02 | L0g4nAd4ms | vlt well i got warnings from dropbear after running update-initramfs that the approach i found is 1. depracted and will be removed in the future and 2. "Invalid authorized_keys file. SSH login will not work" |
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| 20:35.42 | L0g4nAd4ms | maybe it reported invalid authorized_keys file because all my ssh keys are ed25519 ? |
| 20:36.28 | teatime | show us your authorized_keys file. it should only contain public eys. |
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| 20:36.41 | teatime | either you messed up the format, or put it in the wrong place, I'd guess. |
| 20:36.59 | L0g4nAd4ms | and what about the deprecated warnings :P ? |
| 20:37.12 | tw | afaik, dropbear doesn't support ed25519. |
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| 20:37.53 | L0g4nAd4ms | yes, the arch wiki says only tinyssh supports also ED25519 |
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| 20:41.03 | L0g4nAd4ms | but tinyssh is only available in debian experimental. So i followed this guide with a RSA key: https://sowhatisthesolution.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/unlock-luks-via-ssh-in-debian/ and put the key in /etc/initramfs-tools/root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 20:41.23 | L0g4nAd4ms | BTW why does this guy create and config the ssh key for root user ? |
| 20:41.47 | tw | because there's no passwd available in preboot, so there's only one user. |
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| 20:42.39 | L0g4nAd4ms | ah right because the initramfs only provides a minimal environement for unlocking |
| 20:42.44 | L0g4nAd4ms | i guess |
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| 20:43.55 | tw | I mean you can do whatever you want in initramfs land, but logins aren't common before the rootfs and real init begins. |
| 20:44.10 | L0g4nAd4ms | well i will check again over the steps and see if i made somewhere a mistake. |
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| 20:45.34 | L0g4nAd4ms | the question is do have i to put the SSH public key in /etc/initramfs-tools/root/.ssh/authorized_keys or in /etc/dropbear/root_key ? |
| 20:47.48 | L0g4nAd4ms | Because there is no "root" dir in "/etc/initramfs-tools" by default and the guide says i should delete there first the standard private and public keys |
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| 20:48.53 | rc202402 | HI |
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| 20:50.14 | tw | L0g4nAd4ms: have you read /usr/share/doc/dropbear-initramfs/README.initramfs ? |
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| 20:53.23 | L0g4nAd4ms | tw, no i did not know the file existed. i only read the man page but will do now |
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| 20:56.54 | L0g4nAd4ms | OK it says in there "Public keys used or authentication are taken from /etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys". |
| 20:57.06 | L0g4nAd4ms | so i guess i have to put the public key into this file |
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| 21:09.39 | L0g4nAd4ms | tw, ok now after updating the initramfs dropbear does not complain anymore about invalid authorized_keys file, only about that the initramfs thing is deprecated. |
| 21:09.47 | L0g4nAd4ms | lets see if this works now. |
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| 21:18.20 | L0g4nAd4ms | OK, if i want to connect from my client to my server with root@IP using -i private keyfile i get absolutely no response, just a blinking cursor and nothing happens |
| 21:18.44 | RoyK | L0g4nAd4ms: does the server listen to port 22? |
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| 21:19.35 | L0g4nAd4ms | well i think dropbear listens automatically to Port 22 right ? |
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| 21:23.45 | L0g4nAd4ms | @RoyK, maybe i have to config dropbear to listen to another port, right ? |
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| 21:24.27 | RoyK | L0g4nAd4ms: possibly - never looked at tinyssh |
| 21:24.58 | L0g4nAd4ms | why do you mention now tinyssh ? |
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| 21:40.44 | z0 | arguments against installing sudo? anyone? |
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| 21:41.08 | greycat | why are you looking for arguments against using something? |
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| 21:42.36 | z0 | greycat: weighing my pros and cons |
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| 21:42.59 | greycat | what are you going to do if you choose not to install sudo? |
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| 21:43.02 | teatime | z0: there certainly are some, but really it makes no sense in the abstract, you have to consider your threats and risks and stuff in your actual environment, and weight them against any time-savings etc. to be had in your actual workflow. |
| 21:43.44 | z0 | greycat: change a lot of scripts that rely on sudo being installed |
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| 21:44.15 | teatime | not as many as you suggest, surely |
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| 21:44.16 | greycat | Then why on earth are you even *considering* not installing it, if you have existing software that requires it? |
| 21:44.51 | greycat | I feel like you have come into this with some pre-assumptions that I'm not privy to. |
| 21:45.04 | nkuttler | just run everything as root. problem solved |
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| 21:45.18 | z0 | ok guys thanks |
| 21:45.22 | greycat | Like "My uncle Jed's mother's sister's hairdresser told me sudo is made by filthy commies" or something. |
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| 21:45.43 | nkuttler | z0: seriously though, read man 5 sudoers and limit sudo rights to exactly what is needed |
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| 21:46.12 | annadane | (do not run everything as root) |
| 21:46.25 | nkuttler | (and that does *not* mean to allow sudo on user editable scripts) |
| 21:46.30 | annadane | careful with sarcasm on the internet, even sarcasm in real life can get you killed |
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| 21:47.08 | fr3_kk | :annadane ð |
| 21:47.18 | nkuttler | i've seen seasoned admins keep root terminals open 24/7. it's a valid choice.. if you really want to |
| 21:47.21 | z0 | greycat: no assumptions, just asked a question. |
| 21:47.27 | z0 | annadane: (lol dont worry) |
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| 21:47.56 | nkuttler | personally, i'm just too stupid to always be root |
| 21:48.01 | annadane | i'm probably more paranoid than i need to be, i pretty much exit out of the root shell instantly with everything i don't absolutely need |
| 21:48.06 | petn-randall | tw: init's path? I don't think it has any set at all. $PATH is a shell thing. |
| 21:48.40 | greycat | petn-randall: login(1) sets it. |
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| 21:49.13 | greycat | probably whatever crazy twisted thing systemd uses does the same |
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| 21:54.10 | pengwens | annadane, how is that being paranoid? |
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| 21:54.18 | annadane | i guess it's not |
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| 21:56.50 | z0 | it's definetely not |
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| 22:29.46 | freemint | Hello i got an laptop with a nvidia gt650m. I tried to get nvidia-driver (that is what nvidia-detect recommended) running but each time i do that after a reboot all GUI is gone |
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| 22:31.40 | freemint | my laptop has an intel graphics too .. but it does not have an Optimus sticker i am unsure whether i should go with bumblbee or not |
| 22:32.15 | Tenkawa | freemint: whats lspci show? |
| 22:32.24 | freemint | (currenty reinstalling |
| 22:33.16 | Tenkawa | reinstalling driver? |
| 22:33.24 | freemint | no debian |
| 22:33.27 | Tenkawa | why |
| 22:33.50 | Tenkawa | or unrelated? |
| 22:33.51 | freemint | because the gui broke an reinstalling is faster than trying to fix it on my own |
| 22:34.10 | freemint | also i forgot to give debian access to some partitions |
| 22:34.43 | Tenkawa | ok.. |
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| 22:35.09 | freemint | well to be more specific lightdm broke |
| 22:35.21 | freemint | (using the xfce spin) |
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| 22:39.10 | dumdidum | what does a ps/top status of I mean? |
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| 22:40.44 | Tenkawa | I "think" interrupt |
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| 22:41.10 | Tenkawa | memory is blanking on me atm so dont quote me |
| 22:42.15 | Tenkawa | waiting on io |
| 22:42.45 | freemint_ | Tenkawa, i sent you the output of lspci in a query |
| 22:42.56 | dumdidum | but isn't that D? |
| 22:43.12 | Tenkawa | dumdidum: thats defunct |
| 22:43.47 | Tenkawa | if i remember correctly |
| 22:43.55 | Tenkawa | freemint_: ok.... i see |
| 22:44.00 | Tenkawa | interesting |
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| 22:46.04 | Tenkawa | freemint_: when you run with just the intel does it run ok? |
| 22:46.21 | phinxy | What is the 'file' command from 1973 called on Debian stretch? |
| 22:46.35 | annadane | um |
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| 22:46.55 | annadane | no idea what your question is |
| 22:46.58 | gunix | ,v kubectl |
| 22:46.59 | judd | No package named 'kubectl' was found in amd64. |
| 22:47.05 | annadane | 'file' is a valid command... |
| 22:47.15 | freemint_ | If i have no nvidia driver installed it runs ok ... i am not sure if thats the same as "runs on intel" |
| 22:47.28 | phinxy | annadane⢠so it seems. But not on this community build. Sorry. |
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| 22:47.45 | freemint_ | The reason i want to get nvida running is that i can do stuff with torch |
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| 22:47.52 | annadane | "community build" sounds like it's debian-based |
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| 22:47.56 | vlt | phinxy: Itâs still called âfileâ. |
| 22:48.13 | annadane | !tell phinxy about based on debian |
| 22:48.16 | Tenkawa | freemint_: yeah I know...i just want to baseline |
| 22:48.35 | freemint_ | i am chatting now from the pc in question using hexchat |
| 22:48.39 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 22:49.06 | Tenkawa | you have the nvidia package downloaded right? |
| 22:49.23 | Tenkawa | or you going to use debians? |
| 22:49.37 | Tenkawa | have you read the wiki page? |
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| 22:50.32 | Tenkawa | afk.. bbiaf somebody just stoppd in |
| 22:50.33 | freemint_ | i read the wiki and folowed the instruction multiple times ... it did'nt worked i am on 9.3 and i used debians packet |
| 22:51.55 | Tenkawa | back |
| 22:51.55 | freemint_ | last time i did https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_375.66 and https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Automatic |
| 22:53.16 | dumdidum | Tenkawa: defunct would be Z not I |
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| 22:53.51 | dumdidum | man ps doesn't list I at all |
| 22:54.14 | Tenkawa | yeah you are right |
| 22:54.24 | Tenkawa | I'm getting sleepy |
| 22:55.04 | freemint_ | Do you have ideas hos to procede ... or heard what works |
| 22:55.09 | Tenkawa | freemint_: did nvidia-detect see the card ok? |
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| 22:55.31 | freemint_ | yes and recommend nvidia-drivers without extras |
| 22:56.12 | Tenkawa | yeah... Its been too long since I used nvidia.. i use intel and amd now |
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| 22:57.30 | Tenkawa | someone here will have a similar setup I expect |
| 22:57.50 | Tenkawa | I will try while I'm still here though |
| 22:58.27 | freemint_ | i find losts of reports of problems with my gpu back ib 2013 and 2014 under ubuntu |
| 22:59.04 | Tenkawa | if you try an apt-get install nvidia-driver what do you get? |
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| 22:59.20 | Tenkawa | in terminal with sudo |
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| 22:59.46 | freemint_ | Tenkawa, shouldn't i do apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's/[^-]*-[^-]*-//') first? |
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| 23:00.24 | freemint_ | Tenkawa, i confirmed my gpu had optimus technlogy |
| 23:01.31 | freemint_ | Tenkawa, that means https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee is relevant |
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| 23:02.24 | freemint_ | Problem the article was written for wheez< |
| 23:02.42 | Tenkawa | yea missed the headers line... I do it by default in all my installs |
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| 23:03.30 | Tenkawa | nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:03.32 | Tenkawa | too |
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| 23:04.57 | freemint_ | i install kernel header and nvida-kernel-dkms now |
| 23:05.02 | Tenkawa | is really starting to like his headless boxes |
| 23:05.51 | freemint_ | are you sure i need nvidia-kernel-dkms i have not seen it in the wiki for nvidia |
| 23:06.16 | Tenkawa | i just copied and pastedit from the wiki |
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| 23:06.49 | freemint_ | ok i trust you from now on |
| 23:07.21 | Tenkawa | ok.. i gotta run.. about to be picked up... good luck.. |
| 23:07.35 | Tenkawa | cheers all... |
| 23:07.35 | freemint_ | bye |
| 23:08.02 | awal1 | ,v chromium |
| 23:08.03 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster: 62.0.3202.89-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 64.0.3282.119-1~deb9u1; sid: 65.0.3325.146-1 |
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| 23:24.48 | stevendale | Hi |
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| 23:29.40 | freemint | and it works |
| 23:29.44 | freemint | thanks |
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