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| 00:04.23 | r2tw | !debian |
| 00:04.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:04.48 | r2tw | !redhat |
| 00:04.48 | dpkg | redhat is, like, a big corporate devil in fancy headwear |
| 00:06.40 | teatime | lol |
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| 00:10.26 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | rofl |
| 00:10.29 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !redhat |
| 00:10.30 | dpkg | i guess redhat is a big corporate devil in fancy headwear |
| 00:10.37 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !centos |
| 00:10.37 | dpkg | CentOS (Community ENTerprise Operating System) is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. http://centos.org/ For IRC support, join #centos on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:10.55 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !suse |
| 00:10.56 | dpkg | SUSE Linux is a brand of products available as <opensuse> and SUSE Linux Enterprise. http://www.suse.com/ #suse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:11.10 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !ubuntu |
| 00:11.10 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 00:11.19 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | hmmh |
| 00:11.24 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | that need bashing :D |
| 00:11.37 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !freebsd |
| 00:11.37 | dpkg | [freebsd] NOT better than Debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. http://www.freebsd.org/ ##freebsd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian port, ask me about <kfreebsd>. |
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| 00:12.00 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !arch |
| 00:12.01 | dpkg | arch is, like, a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 00:12.01 | RoyK | !gentoo |
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| 00:12.22 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | hmmh |
| 00:12.25 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !lfs |
| 00:12.26 | dpkg | hmm... lfs is large file support (http://web.archive.org/web/20110723152405/http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html), or ask me about <linux from scratch>, or Log-structured File System (NetBSD) |
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| 00:12.44 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !linux from scratch |
| 00:12.44 | dpkg | Linux From Scratch (LFS) is a project providing instructions for building a custom Linux system entirely from source code. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ #lfs-support at irc.linuxfromscratch.org. |
| 00:12.50 | dondelelcaro | Bierjpg|XeonX8: please /msg the bots |
| 00:12.50 | RoyK | !gentoo |
| 00:12.51 | stevendale | !puppy |
| 00:12.52 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC and Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. For a satirical take on it see http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ , http://bash.org/?464385 and ask me about <greenhouse>, <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on irc.freenode.net |
| 00:12.56 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | k syr |
| 00:13.13 | stevendale | !puppy linux |
| 00:13.14 | dpkg | Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.puppylinux.com/ #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:13.34 | RoyK | - Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning "I'm too tired of compiling Gentoo" |
| 00:13.42 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | :D |
| 00:13.43 | stevendale | !mandrake |
| 00:13.43 | dpkg | from memory, mandriva is the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and <Conectiva> Linux companies. http://www.mandriva.com/ #mandriva on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:13.52 | RoyK | !slackware |
| 00:13.52 | dpkg | i guess slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg . http://www.slackware.com/ ##slackware on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:13.55 | teatime | stevendale: you may converse with the bot via private messages, too |
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| 00:14.05 | teatime | stevendale: which is better when you're not using it to help someone etc. |
| 00:14.13 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | ubuntu is a zulu word meaning "cant configure Debian" |
| 00:14.14 | stevendale | :P |
| 00:14.50 | RoyK | IIRC Ubuntu is used in many lanuages down there, including Zulu ;) |
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| 00:15.05 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !XP |
| 00:15.05 | dpkg | Whoooz the man? Bubba is about to run away with your money again! Or ask me about ".NET". XP is not a brand name, it's an emoticon, or http://www.epic.org/privacy/consumer/microsoft/default.html, or <tarzeau> windows xp isn't modern! it's just new, or the best Linux and BSD compatible CPU currently out, or http://www.extremeprogramming.org/, or xtra pr0n, or http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/images/logos/paranoiaxp.jpg |
| 00:15.37 | annadane | Bierjpg|XeonX8, please don't spam the channel with this. /msg dpkg instead |
| 00:15.43 | RoyK | wonders if this may belong in #debian-offtopic |
| 00:16.27 | stevendale | !slitaz |
| 00:16.28 | dpkg | SliTaz GNU/Linux is a Live CD mini-distribution, similar to Damn Small Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.slitaz.org/ #slitaz on irc.alterinet.org and irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:16.37 | stevendale | Wasn't expecting it to have that one |
| 00:16.44 | stevendale | Somebody put too much time into this bot teatime :P |
| 00:16.52 | stevendale | !easypeasy |
| 00:16.52 | dpkg | easy peasy (formerly Ubuntu Eee, ION) is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> for use on netbooks. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.geteasypeasy.com/ #easypeasy on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 00:16.53 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | yeah maybe |
| 00:17.01 | stevendale | Yeah, waaay too much time |
| 00:17.13 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | hey i have a easy peasy running ... |
| 00:17.29 | stevendale | I used to have three or four 701's... They ran it great |
| 00:17.29 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | i schould upgrade the system |
| 00:17.48 | stevendale | Got them back in the day for $200 each |
| 00:17.53 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | i have it runinng on a x41T |
| 00:18.03 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | the desktop is just great for a pen |
| 00:18.25 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | it would be to nice to get that running on mate |
| 00:18.35 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | the ubuntu netbook launcher |
| 00:19.00 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | i would pay 100 Euro for a updatet ubuntu netbook launcher .... |
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| 00:19.16 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | (running on debian / Mate) |
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| 00:22.53 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | are someone here who want to help to fill a Benchmark list? http://www.xin.at/x265/index-en.php the successor of our x264 benchmark http://www.xin.at/x264/index-en.php |
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| 00:35.14 | aokfire | Trying to remove something with sed: ./dir/ |
| 00:35.16 | aokfire | that whole dir |
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| 00:35.40 | aokfire | leaves the trailing / behind. any suggestions? |
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| 00:38.10 | RoyK | aokfire: s/. <-- the . will match any character, try to replace it with \. |
| 00:38.52 | RoyK | aokfire: so perhaps s/\.\/dir\///g |
| 00:39.13 | aokfire | that works, thank you! |
| 00:39.23 | RoyK | np |
| 00:39.25 | aokfire | was missing an extra / before g and \ before . as you said |
| 00:40.12 | RoyK | you missted the last \/ |
| 00:40.33 | aokfire | sed 's/\.\/dir\///g' seems to work? |
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| 00:40.39 | RoyK | it'd probably worked without \. too, depending on other file's names |
| 00:40.57 | RoyK | did't you say it did? |
| 00:41.06 | aokfire | yeah |
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| 01:24.51 | freemint_ | Hello i try to build some package that does depend on nvidia headers which need gcc version 5.0 or lower ... i am on 9.3 ... and gcc-5 is not in the package manager |
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| 01:29.11 | klys | freemint_. mix your sources a bit, just to install gcc-4.9 |
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| 01:29.42 | freemint_ | gcc-4.9 is not in my packet sources either |
| 01:30.14 | klys | freemint_, add some sources that do to /etc/apt/sources.list, you can take them out after installation |
| 01:30.20 | freemint_ | klys, (UNLESS it is availibe under naohter name then "gcc-4.9") |
| 01:30.27 | freemint_ | ok |
| 01:30.32 | klys | ,v gcc-4.9 |
| 01:30.33 | judd | Package: gcc-4.9 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.9.2-10; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.9.2-10+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.9.2-10+deb8u1 |
| 01:32.28 | freemint_ | ,v gcc-4.4 |
| 01:32.29 | judd | Package: gcc-4.4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.4.7-2 |
| 01:33.00 | freemint_ | klys, how can i not break my debian when install from old sources? |
| 01:33.16 | klys | freemint, use packages that don't conflict |
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| 01:33.36 | freemint_ | would apt warn me about confilcts? |
| 01:33.41 | klys | yes |
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| 01:38.05 | freemint_ | klys, How can i set the default compiles (and reset it afterwards) |
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| 01:39.24 | klys | man update-alternatives |
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| 01:41.57 | freemint_ | update-alternatives --config gcc finds no alternatives |
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| 01:43.15 | teatime | cc is handled by alternatives, fwiw... (/me hasn't been following the convo) |
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| 01:44.21 | klys | freemint_, manage symlinks at the prompt with ls -ltac and ln -sf |
| 01:44.33 | freemint_ | thx |
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| 01:45.22 | teatime | what symlink? |
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| 01:45.39 | teatime | do not edit alternatives symlinks by hand; and if you mean the gcc one, are you sure there isn't a better way? |
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| 01:45.51 | teatime | freemint_: what's your issue and current status? |
| 01:46.06 | klys | teatime, try update-alternatives --get-selections | grep gcc |
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| 01:46.22 | freemint_ | I just found out that i need to add alternatives via update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/gcc gcc /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 50 |
| 01:46.41 | freemint_ | (i think) |
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| 01:47.41 | teatime | can you not just tell whatever is using the compiler e.g. CC=gcc-3.3 ?? |
| 01:48.10 | klys | it's part of an automated nvidia kernel module build process managed through dpkg. |
| 01:48.44 | freemint_ | klys, WRONG it is part of an autobuild for cutorch |
| 01:49.12 | freemint_ | but the problem is the same (using the same header that requires a version smaller than 5.0 |
| 01:49.34 | teatime | I don't quite get why /usr/bin/gcc, which *is* a symlink, *isn't* already handled under the alternatives system |
| 01:49.36 | teatime | anyone? |
| 01:50.04 | freemint_ | luarocks which i use to install it: git'S and purges when it fails |
| 01:50.50 | teatime | you could also, just to throw this out there, if you didn't want to screw around too much w/ system stuff, add a dir to the front of your $PATH and put your own gcc symlink there, pointing to whatever you want |
| 01:50.52 | freemint_ | after my "fix" for the gcc version i get another error |
| 01:51.13 | freemint_ | teatime, where can i learn more baout that? |
| 01:51.15 | freemint_ | cccc: error trying to exec ': error trying to exec 'cc1pluscc1plus': ': execvpexecvp: : Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 01:51.16 | freemint_ | Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 01:51.16 | freemint_ | CMake Error at THC_generated_THCBlas.cu.o.Release.cmake:222 (message): |
| 01:51.16 | freemint_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.16 | freemint_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:51.48 | teatime | not just an in-channel paste, but it's in dutch or german or some shit ... |
| 01:52.01 | freemint_ | file nor found |
| 01:52.03 | freemint_ | *not |
| 01:52.20 | freemint_ | It is german ... |
| 01:52.37 | freemint_ | sorry i only skimmed the guidelines |
| 01:52.47 | teatime | freemint_: you see the // in the path? that ends up causing everything before it to be ignored, and begin again as if it were just / |
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| 01:53.09 | freemint_ | i see that |
| 01:53.17 | teatime | freemint_: probably you have a config item like PROJ_PATH="/path/to/proj/" and then it gets concat'd to a value like "/further/path/file.c", |
| 01:53.22 | teatime | and the first one shouldn't have a / at the end |
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| 01:56.20 | freemint_ | I do not see where i can change the PROJ_PATH as i try to install with luarocks |
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| 02:25.31 | freemint_ | teatime, any tips how to debug cmake gernerated makefiles |
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| 02:31.46 | DerLGm | freemint_: env CTEST_OUTPUT_ON_FAILURE=1 make check |
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| 02:36.36 | DerLGm | freemint_: https://cmake.org/pipermail/cmake/2011-May/044451.html |
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| 02:37.42 | freemint_ | How do i set CMAKE_RULE_MESSAGES to OFF? |
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| 03:32.18 | r2tw | !zfs |
| 03:32.19 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils. Native Linux support from zfsonlinux.org, #zfsonlinux channel on freenode, is included in Debian starting with <stretch> and <jessie-backports> with some caveats due to license conflicts. |
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| 03:54.54 | annadane | can someone tell me whether running synaptic as root is a bad idea or not, i'm trying to answer a reddit thread |
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| 03:56.19 | somiaj | I'm unsure, since it needs to be root to install packages, does it escilate privlages when it needs to by asking for a password? |
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| 03:57.09 | annadane | that was what i was wondering... i can i guess install it myself and test it |
| 03:57.21 | annadane | from memory, it does, and it would be silly if it didn't |
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| 03:58.12 | annadane | on the one hand an application like synaptic might well be safe to run as root, on the other it kind of goes against good practices in general |
| 03:58.55 | somiaj | I don't see why running it as root would be any more dangerous since lots of its funcationality requires root, but if it had its own means of privlages escilation when it is needed, I would use that over running it as root. |
| 03:59.56 | teatime | annadane: there's something to be said for not running any graphical/X11 apps as root |
| 04:00.27 | teatime | annadane: but it's a dumb argument, I'd bet $$$ ;) |
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| 04:01.02 | annadane | huh, now i can't even start synaptic from clicking it in the xfce menu and starting it from the terminal is command not found |
| 04:01.46 | somiaj | hmm, dpkg -l synaptic and see what commands it put it. |
| 04:01.55 | somiaj | It could be it lives in /usr/sbin and is just not in your $PATH |
| 04:02.28 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1014061/ |
| 04:02.30 | Tom-_ | it probably runs as root automatically through pkexec annadane |
| 04:02.30 | somiaj | and that was -L not -l |
| 04:02.37 | annadane | ah, oops |
| 04:02.44 | annadane | yeah, figures |
| 04:03.06 | somiaj | and if it lives in sbin/, more reason to think it is meant to be run as root |
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| 04:03.18 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.28 | annadane | you know, why didn't i check the wiki first |
| 04:03.34 | annadane | that would have been the smart thing |
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| 04:04.36 | annadane | or /usr/share/doc or ... |
| 04:04.42 | annadane | literally anything other than what i actually did |
| 04:04.44 | Tom-_ | i liked talking about it |
| 04:05.16 | annadane | "If you want to use synaptic from the GNOME menu, you should use pkexec |
| 04:05.17 | annadane | (default) to obtain root privileges." |
| 04:05.39 | annadane | i don't see why gnome would be different than other DEs so "gnome" is probably a placeholder |
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| 04:07.06 | somiaj | gnome maybe be more mature on all the privlage escilation stuff since it is some since wrote a bunch of it. |
| 04:07.27 | annadane | maybe |
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| 04:09.40 | annadane | okay so cd /usr/sbin and ./synaptic starts the program, i can mark packages for installation but apply is greyed out |
| 04:09.52 | annadane | so yeah, i guess probably you do need root |
| 04:10.05 | teatime | high-five |
| 04:10.11 | teatime | or were you on the wrong side of that one? |
| 04:10.16 | annadane | now, time to uninstall synaptic. out, damn spot |
| 04:10.41 | somiaj | annadane: what happens if you run synaptic-pkexec, I woudl suggest that over running it with root if that is what works, at least use as designed. |
| 04:11.03 | annadane | but i just removed it :( |
| 04:11.08 | Tom-_ | why do you want to uninstall it? because it needs root? |
| 04:11.18 | somiaj | they were just testing. |
| 04:11.30 | annadane | i only installed it to test it for someone else and i never use synaptic for personal use |
| 04:12.02 | Tom-_ | figured |
| 04:12.08 | Tom-_ | just wanted to make sure |
| 04:12.33 | annadane | this is in sid for anyone keeping track at home but it's probably the same for stable |
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| 04:15.13 | Tom-_ | hth. hand |
| 04:15.28 | themill | I had a vague memory that synaptic, like aptitude, had the ability to elevate privileges when needed. |
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| 04:15.35 | jim | could someone link me to the doc about building and then packaging kernels? and explain why kernel-package isn't that way any longer? |
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| 04:16.44 | Tom-_ | jim, this doc? https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.kernel-compilation.en.html |
| 04:17.32 | jim | maybe so... in any case I'll look at it |
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| 04:18.14 | somiaj | jim: kernel-package was a tool to deal with the fact the upstream build tools didn't build debian packages. Now that the upstream kernel comes with all the info to build it into a package, no need to matain another tool to do this, and just work with upstream to ensure their build process is good. |
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| 04:18.14 | jim | any idea why they stopped using make-kpkg? |
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| 04:18.57 | teatime | jim: maybe, just guessing, because upstream included a build target to generate .deb ? |
| 04:19.09 | jim | so they just didn't need it anymore |
| 04:19.09 | teatime | does make-kpkg not work anymore? I thought it did |
| 04:19.21 | annadane | (and i just realized my being on sid completely invalidates any advice i could give to someone on stable anyway |
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| 04:19.31 | jim | I dunno that it doesn't, just that they replaced it |
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| 04:19.40 | annadane | this is the downside |
| 04:19.40 | somiaj | teatime: I think it ocasionally breaks on newer kernels, and it is slow to get fixes for those cases. |
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| 04:19.51 | somiaj | since less use it, it has less people mataining it to work with kernel changes. |
| 04:19.56 | teatime | jim: I only found out about that very recently, here... guess I haven't built a deb kernel for a long time |
| 04:19.57 | annadane | though yeah i guess apt changelog synaptic |
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| 04:21.24 | somiaj | jim: Since upstream provides a proper debian/ for building .deb packages with, it would be better to use the standard packaging tools that get used for all packages, then some wrapper, like make-kpkg, that would create the debian/ to build the package from. |
| 04:21.29 | jim | yeah, I haven't either, I figured I might as well learn how on the new system and new kernels |
| 04:22.22 | jim | somiaj, does the debian/ dir come directly from kernel.org? |
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| 04:23.53 | somiaj | jim: yes (though I maybe off on the details, as you build with make deb-pkg, but yes, the upstream source already includes all the info needed to build a debian package, all you need is the debian packaging tools installed, no need for some wrapper, aka make-kpkg |
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| 04:27.08 | jim | do debian kernel packages made with that process still include the .config in /boot? |
| 04:27.45 | somiaj | I belive so, the debian kernel team works with upstream, so I would think the debian kernel team is part of why the upstream kernel has the make deb-pkg target. |
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| 04:29.48 | jim | so then the debian kernel team maintains the packaging part so that linus et al don't have to? |
| 04:30.57 | jim | which would mean the debian kernel team is logically a part of upstream |
| 04:31.32 | teatime | jim: lines certainly blur |
| 04:31.45 | somiaj | I can't say how it is all linked, but it seems common for distro kernel teams to work closely with upstream, lots of those older stable upstream kernels I think are more matained by the distros that use them. |
| 04:32.30 | somiaj | the kernel is a huge project, so I'm sure there is lots of overlap, in the end all I know is the make deb-pkg is the prefered tool these days due it being the most mtained and already in upstream. |
| 04:32.32 | jim | perhaps the other distros were inspired by how debian did it |
| 04:33.41 | somiaj | Probably a lot of big corps who are running hardware on the older kernels. |
| 04:33.45 | somiaj | as well. |
| 04:34.42 | jim | ok,,, the only other part is modules that hadn't been compiled yet, and are either in or out of the tree...did upstream inherit all that including dkms? |
| 04:34.55 | jim | oops brb |
| 04:35.18 | somiaj | intree modules you configured will be packaged in the main package, and there will be a headers package so you can build thrid party modules |
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| 04:46.42 | FunkyBob | so... it seems the file list here is a lie -- https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/plasma-nm/filelist |
| 04:46.51 | FunkyBob | since I just installed it and /usr/bin/kde5-nm-connection-editor |
| 04:46.53 | FunkyBob | is not tehr |
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| 04:51.04 | klys | verified. |
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| 05:01.14 | stevendale | Hi |
| 05:01.20 | stevendale | How to upgrade debian stable to sid |
| 05:02.14 | somiaj | stevendale: Given the standard warnings such as if you ask you probably shouldn't, you first upgrade to testing by changing stretch to buster, and then upgrade to sid afterwards. |
| 05:02.37 | somiaj | stevendale: any paticular reason you want to run sid, things often break in sid. |
| 05:02.50 | stevendale | somiaj, Newer Mesa for better game framerates |
| 05:03.04 | alkisg | FunkyBob: "malformed-deb-archive" => it's the .deb itself that's broken, not just the file list |
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| 05:04.19 | somiaj | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 05:04.20 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; buster: 17.3.6-1; sid: 17.3.6-1; experimental: 18.0.0~rc4-1 |
| 05:04.57 | annadane | i've been told you can just directory go from stable -> sid |
| 05:05.03 | annadane | that's how i've always done it |
| 05:05.10 | annadane | s/directory/directly |
| 05:05.50 | annadane | though i feel we've had this conversation before |
| 05:05.53 | stevendale | Might disconnect in a sec |
| 05:05.59 | stevendale | Dad is switching to PIA |
| 05:06.00 | themill | you need to go via testing |
| 05:06.02 | somiaj | stevendale: If you wanted to back port mesa it would take a bit of work. So I don't see any easy way to get a newer mesa in stable. You may find buster nicer than sid, though each have their own issues and neither have security support. In general it helps to know a bit about debian. |
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| 05:06.21 | annadane | oh well |
| 05:06.39 | somiaj | annadane: in testing all packages shoudl be installable, in sid this may not be the case, so going through testing will not get you in an uninstallable mess. |
| 05:06.48 | annadane | well, right |
| 05:06.52 | somiaj | annadane: though if upgrading a minimial system, it won't matter as much. |
| 05:07.00 | annadane | right |
| 05:07.11 | annadane | for me i'll just continue with what i've been doing then |
| 05:07.41 | stevendale | Mine's lightweight Openbox with just enough dependencies to run Chromium and Minecraft |
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| 05:08.46 | annadane | i always just do it from minimal and things like xfce/mate are _usually_ installable, depending on where in the release cycle we are |
| 05:08.53 | stevendale | Okay I am on PIA but I didn't DC |
| 05:08.55 | stevendale | Weird |
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| 05:08.58 | somiaj | stevendale: things like xorg can break, and so. So knowing how to debug packaging dependency issues and how to find info on the BTS about bugs is very helpful. Things will break, it is just a matter of when, and how and how well you can fix them. |
| 05:09.33 | somiaj | stevendale: but I don't see any other solution besides trying to backport mesa to get a newer mesa in stretch. And that could be a lot of work too. |
| 05:10.02 | annadane | yep, sid comes with disclaimers, back up your files and be cautious etc |
| 05:10.04 | tw | understatement |
| 05:12.44 | klys | ,v libqtcore5 |
| 05:12.45 | judd | No package named 'libqtcore5' was found in amd64. |
| 05:13.52 | klys | CMake Error at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/Qt5Core/Qt5CoreConfig.cmake:27 |
| 05:13.55 | HNIC | I got an old circa 2009 laptop with Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz, and 4GB of RAM w/Debian 8. From turn on to desktop takes about 1 minute. I also have a circa 2016 laptop core i5, 16GB of RAM, and Debian 9. From turn on to desktop takes about 3 minutes.Any ideas on why the massive difference in boot times? |
| 05:14.35 | klys | hnic, because it's waiting for your network to come up? |
| 05:14.52 | klys | just a guess |
| 05:15.02 | HNIC | i guess I would have to press the ESC to watch that during boot? |
| 05:15.21 | klys | look out for slow exim4 start times, etc. |
| 05:15.47 | HNIC | okay, thanks I will watch for that during next boot. Using it right now |
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| 05:40.34 | stevendale | Hi |
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| 05:43.12 | klys | hi |
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| 05:45.05 | HNIC | high |
| 05:46.37 | klys | line 7, /usr/share/ECM/modules/ECMQueryQmake.cmake --No qmake Qt5 binary found. Can't check QT_INSTALL_PLUGINS as required |
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| 05:47.19 | nkuttler | klys: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:48.03 | klys | nkuttler, I was meaning to recompile for plasma-nm-5.12.13 |
| 05:48.05 | stevendale | Upgrading to buster |
| 05:48.22 | stevendale | Between 400 and 500 megs of packages |
| 05:48.30 | nkuttler | ,v plasma-nm |
| 05:48.31 | judd | Package: plasma-nm on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.3.4-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.12.1-1; sid: 4:5.12.3-1 |
| 05:48.47 | klys | nkuttler, /usr/bin/qmake appears functional |
| 05:48.55 | stevendale | !haiku |
| 05:48.55 | dpkg | here in this channel / we write very bad haiku / readers all go mad | debian woody / stiffs out the competition / no pun intended. See also <symlink>. Haiku is also the name of an open source binary-compatible clone of the BeOS operating system. http://haiku-os.org/ #haiku on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:49.31 | numtuk | How is vim-gocomplete setup by default in Debian stable, I get code highlighting but not autocomplete via gocode. Do I need to do any extra steps to get it working? I want to avoid installing go and vim plugins manually. |
| 05:49.52 | stevendale | dpkg knows everything o/ |
| 05:49.52 | dpkg | stevendale: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:50.27 | nkuttler | klys: i don't know.. if you really want to build your desktop stuff from latest sources... debian might not be the ideal distro for you.. |
| 05:50.56 | klys | nkuttler, then see funkybob's complaint at :46 |
| 05:51.03 | stevendale | klys, Gentoo |
| 05:51.29 | klys | stevendale, I'm not going to gentoo. |
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| 06:08.45 | themill | klys: if you're wanting to compile newer versions, you may as well at least install the documented build-deps from the Debian package |
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| 06:12.13 | klys | themill, of course I'm doing this, and trying to avoid a libc6 upgrade from stretch. well, it may or may not happen. we'll keep ye posted. |
| 06:13.15 | themill | umm, you're clearly not doing so given the error message |
| 06:14.52 | themill | You would also need to set either QT_SELECT in your environment or install qt5-default |
| 06:15.04 | chromesy | Hi all, so I had the bright idea of buying a Dell Chromebook 11 3180 and using live OSs on it on USBs. This has turned out to be a lot of pain so far. I am now up to the point where I can boot to a Debian live USB. The problem now is that there is no wifi. Now, I am very new to Linux but I am guessing that this is maybe because the Dell has a wireless adapter for which the Debian live USB is not loading a kernel module? If I do a lsmod using the Chrome OS, |
| 06:15.04 | chromesy | I can see the loaded modules. My question is: can I copy those modules over to my Debian live USB? |
| 06:17.53 | somiaj | chromesy: most wifi cards require non-free firmware which debian doesn't include in main, so that is most likely why the wifi is not working. You should only need to copy the firmware over, what wifi chipset is in that machine? |
| 06:19.39 | chromesy | somiaj: I don't know; how can I find out? |
| 06:19.42 | stevendale | No |
| 06:19.45 | stevendale | chromesy, |
| 06:19.55 | chromesy | The modules listed are: iwlmvm |
| 06:19.55 | chromesy | iwlwifi |
| 06:19.55 | chromesy | iwl7000_mac80211 |
| 06:19.55 | chromesy | cfg80211 |
| 06:19.59 | somiaj | chromesy: if you have a terminal, lspci should list all your pci devices. |
| 06:20.00 | stevendale | What you do is you buy a real laptop |
| 06:20.07 | stevendale | And you install CloudReady Home Edition |
| 06:20.24 | chromesy | somiaj: Okay, I'll check now |
| 06:20.27 | somiaj | chromesy: you will need the package firmware-iwlwifi to get that intelcard to work I'm guessing you have |
| 06:20.53 | stevendale | You may also want firmware-misc-nonfree chromesy |
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| 06:21.47 | chromesy | Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 61) |
| 06:22.37 | somiaj | chromesy: you will just need the firmware-iwlwifi package to get that network card running. There are also unoffical images that contain the firmware on them, though since you have already downlaoded the image, the firmware might be the easiest. |
| 06:22.38 | chromesy | So, firmware-iwlwifi for that one? |
| 06:23.07 | chromesy | Great, thanks guys, will try that. |
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| 06:47.41 | rc202402 | Anybody Experienced How to get Ubuntu App running on Debian? |
| 06:48.07 | somiaj | compile it from source is one way. |
| 06:48.13 | nkuttler | rc202402: which app |
| 06:48.24 | somiaj | what do you actually need, and is there another app in debian that would do the job? |
| 06:49.34 | rc202402 | I meant that can we use Ubuntu repo's on Debian Base? |
| 06:50.22 | rc202402 | This thing at: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian says we cant, but is it possible for some selected applications? |
| 06:50.29 | alkisg | rc202402: some packages are the same, same are compiled for different libraries, some a quite different |
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| 06:50.54 | alkisg | So yes it's possible for some selected applications if you verify them. Maybe mention the specific applications? |
| 06:51.00 | nkuttler | rc202402: if you want to use ubuntu, just use ubuntu |
| 06:51.21 | nkuttler | rc202402: what you could do is to get their source packages and to rebuild them i guess |
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| 06:53.24 | rc202402 | well i'm from an ubuntu background and working on Debian lately, creating a respin, the problem here on Debian is, the Packages are bit Outdated |
| 06:53.56 | nkuttler | rc202402: debian stable makes a choice to be .. stable |
| 06:53.57 | at0m | !outdated |
| 06:54.12 | nkuttler | what's a respin anyway.. |
| 06:54.28 | alkisg | rc202402: Ubuntu *gets* the packages from Debian testing, so of course debian is less outdated than Ubuntu. But compare testing with ubuntu, not stable with ubuntu. |
| 06:55.05 | alkisg | rc202402: so if you want to do the same, feel free to pull from testing... but note the word there, "testing" |
| 06:55.37 | rc202402 | respin :P well, my own distro I'meant |
| 06:55.50 | at0m | oh. debian, but better. /me hides |
| 06:56.08 | nkuttler | rc202402: why not base your distro on ubuntu, if you're familiar with that? |
| 06:56.51 | rc202402 | Yeah I'm working on it too. It's a separate Project |
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| 06:57.34 | rc202402 | So the only way to get updated packages on debian is to Serve them myself on my own server? right? |
| 06:57.54 | alkisg | Debian testing does have repositories |
| 06:58.17 | at0m | rc202402: define "updated". for the newest, compile all from kernel.org then github |
| 06:58.42 | rc202402 | *Thinks!* |
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| 07:00.03 | alkisg | rc202402: in general, being a proper distribution means that you host your own repositories for all programs. Being an "ubuntu flavour" means that you use the stock Ubuntu repositories. Being a"Debian Blend" means you use the stock Debian repositories. |
| 07:00.03 | alkisg | But for example LinuxMint makes a mess and uses some Debian/Ubuntu repositories and some of its own, and that's a complete mess that causes a lot of issues. Don't do that. |
| 07:03.08 | rc202402 | *INSIDE*:"Sounds Interesting!" |
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| 07:04.26 | rc202402 | So, I gotta compile the required packages for my Deb build and host them up. **huge effort** |
| 07:05.21 | rc202402 | Thanks anyway for helping me out! see ya! "lets compile" |
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| 07:05.30 | alkisg | rc202402: indeed, so it's usually better to just ship a few packages with themes etc and base that on a real distro :) |
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| 07:15.06 | silverballz | does anyone have any information on installing a debian distribution completly from source? |
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| 07:16.47 | alkisg | silverballz: if you're going to use the debian/ dir of packages, that means you can just run `apt source; debuild; dpkg -i` for all the packages you want. If you're not going to use the debian/ dir, that means it's no longer debian... |
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| 07:17.25 | silverballz | im not concerned about the packages |
| 07:17.56 | silverballz | what i mean is compile the operating system from source packages upon install |
| 07:18.32 | alkisg | And doesn't `apt source; debuild; dpkg -i` do exactly that? |
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| 07:18.55 | silverballz | from the installer? |
| 07:19.21 | alkisg | There's no "installer by compiling" in debian, you would need to do that manually |
| 07:19.28 | somiaj | debian isn't really setup to do that, though you could reocmpile every package. If you want to complie everything from source, why not use a distro that already does that like gentoo? |
| 07:19.43 | silverballz | exactly, do you have any information in regards to that |
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| 07:19.57 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | !gentoo |
| 07:19.57 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC and Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. For a satirical take on it see http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ , http://bash.org/?464385 and ask me about <greenhouse>, <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on irc.freenode.net |
| 07:20.07 | silverballz | i like gentoo but no, debian or death |
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| 07:20.28 | rc202402 | Hey, anybody knows how to add repo's to Bunsen Lab? |
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| 07:21.13 | alkisg | silverballz: what's the end goal, why do you want to compile things by yourself, is it about security, not trusting the .debs provided from mirrors? |
| 07:21.15 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | that is like using a swiss army knife for fighting ... |
| 07:21.30 | silverballz | its about computer science and engineering |
| 07:22.02 | shtrb|laptop | silverballz, I think you can build your own debootstrap and begin from there |
| 07:22.11 | alkisg | silverballz: I think you want to start reading there then: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial |
| 07:22.24 | rc202402 | using a swiss army knife on to a sniper LOL :P |
| 07:23.20 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | a swiss army knife is a good tool but you have no use for it in a gun fight :D |
| 07:23.40 | chromesy | somiaj: I got the firmware-iwlwifi onto a USB drive (because the Chromebook has no Internet connection) and did dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_20170823-1~bpo9+1_all.deb. |
| 07:24.02 | silverballz | debbootstrab :) thank you |
| 07:24.10 | somiaj | chromesy: you will have to reload the iwlwifi moudle, modprobe -r iwlwifi, followed by modprobe iwlwifi |
| 07:24.20 | shtrb|laptop | Bierjpg|XeonX8, depending on where is the knife and where is the gun (there was a show how many cops had trusted their gun too much a while ago) |
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| 07:24.39 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | :D yes you are right |
| 07:24.40 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | :D |
| 07:24.51 | shtrb|laptop | silverballz, but that is a VERY long process (to build everything to prepare the initial stuff ) |
| 07:25.04 | chromesy | somiaj: Okay, thanks will try. This is the first time working with LKM stuff. |
| 07:25.20 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | but i dont think you can kill someone with this: https://www.gizmoway.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/swissarmy.jpg |
| 07:25.25 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | ok near to someone |
| 07:25.26 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | ^^ |
| 07:25.46 | shtrb|laptop | don't underestimate the swiss |
| 07:25.53 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | :D |
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| 07:26.11 | shtrb|laptop | there was one guy who got killed by a multimeter |
| 07:26.18 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | oO |
| 07:26.29 | rc202402 | yeah right! and a can opener too :D |
| 07:26.36 | shtrb|laptop | electrocuted |
| 07:26.44 | Bierjpg|XeonX8 | k |
| 07:26.59 | silverballz | !status libcsp-dev |
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| 07:27.26 | shtrb|laptop | Bierjpg|XeonX8, http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html |
| 07:27.44 | silverballz | .v libcsp-dev |
| 07:28.12 | chromesy | somiaj: Okay great. Now, when I do ip address, I have a wlp2s0 adapter that was not there before. |
| 07:29.36 | VentGrey | Hello Debian users, I'm currently experiencing a little bug/missing feature in gnome 3, I installed using the metapackage provided in the Debian repos |
| 07:29.39 | VentGrey | tho everytime I open an application, it's top menu (where it shows an icon and the actions it can perform like preferences or similar stuff) is missing, I'm left with the top left corner icon which does nothing |
| 07:29.48 | somiaj | chromesy: you should now be able to use network-manager to get online |
| 07:30.11 | VentGrey | Maybe a little screenshot would help (yes I stole the pop themes) |
| 07:30.19 | VentGrey | https://snag.gy/nK6ZtP.jpg |
| 07:31.29 | shtrb|laptop | any laptop owner can hint what I should be looking in lspci (or what ever) to see if my expresscard is identified ? |
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| 07:32.53 | arahael | shtrb|laptop: If it shows up, at all, then it's probably identified. |
| 07:33.18 | shtrb|laptop | That's my problem I can't find out if it showed up :) |
| 07:33.27 | shtrb|laptop | http://paste.debian.net/1014071/ my lspci |
| 07:33.31 | chromesy | somiaj: My Chromebook is online for the first time ever. A thousand thank yous; I thought I had wasted my money for a while. |
| 07:33.39 | silverballz | ,v libcsp-soucre |
| 07:33.40 | judd | No package named 'libcsp-soucre' was found in amd64. |
| 07:33.43 | shtrb|laptop | tried plugging a card but no indication in the dmesg |
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| 07:34.29 | shtrb|laptop | arahael, http://paste.debian.net/1014071/ <- my lspci |
| 07:34.35 | silverballz | ,v libcsp-source |
| 07:34.36 | judd | Package: libcsp-source on amd64 -- sid: 1.4+fdd49b7+dfsg-3 |
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| 07:37.09 | arahael | shtrb|laptop: Hmm, sorry, but that's fairly unclear for me. What brand is the expresscard? That lspci appears to only indicate "controllers". |
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| 07:38.02 | arahael | shtrb|laptop: Keep in mind, that what linux identifies is usually the actual chipset, and the device itself my have been rebranded. |
| 07:38.14 | somiaj | I would say it wasn't automatically detected if plugging in a card didn't trigger any messages in dmesg. Have you checked your firmware and you don't have that device disabled? |
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| 07:39.03 | shtrb|laptop | That a good question what brand is the controler itself , checked in the bios did not see anything related (but I'm afraid that maybe the controller itself is somehow not seen by the kernel) |
| 07:40.00 | shtrb|laptop | I thought maybe "Intel Corporation QM87 Express LPC Controller" is the one ,but I'm not sure |
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| 07:41.11 | shtrb|laptop | somiaj, you mean the port/slot is not detected or the inserted card ? |
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| 07:44.30 | ivh_ | Hi. I'm running stretch and would like to find out who is starting pulseaudio. ps aux shows: |
| 07:44.33 | ivh_ | Debian-+ 2991 0.0 0.1 1015564 8232 ? Ssl 08:33 0:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no |
| 07:44.48 | VentGrey | Maybe no one experienced it before |
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| 07:45.10 | ivh_ | the parent process is systemd but I cannot find the service that does this. |
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| 08:02.54 | Labu | Hello |
| 08:03.47 | Labu | Is there a mean to get total memory used by a program ? Like a time by example do for the time |
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| 08:04.38 | DerLGm | Labu: have you looked at utilities like htop? |
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| 08:07.17 | Labu | Hi DerLGm it's not really what I want. I looking for an utility which give me the total ammount of memory allocated by a program in its lifetime |
| 08:07.34 | Labu | not the total ammount at time t |
| 08:08.00 | shtrb|laptop | Labu, pmap for current state |
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| 08:08.46 | shtrb|laptop | Labu,and you can use watch to setup your sampling rate |
| 08:09.01 | Labu | ok shtrb|laptop I am looking this |
| 08:09.11 | Labu | thx you both |
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| 08:09.32 | stevendale | Hi |
| 08:09.38 | stevendale | Forgot I had this open |
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| 08:16.03 | DerLGm | hi stevendale |
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| 08:26.55 | stevendale | Hi DerLGm |
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| 08:44.02 | cujotus | hello, you two stevendale <3 DerLGm, you love or hate each another? |
| 08:44.53 | haventerminal | Hi, anybody know how to save the htop |
| 08:45.09 | haventerminal | htop-settings |
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| 08:58.52 | LostSoul | Hi |
| 08:59.01 | LostSoul | Debian + ZFS here |
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| 08:59.14 | LostSoul | I've check size of ZFS DS for one machine and it showed 500GB+ ('used') |
| 08:59.16 | LostSoul | But once I've run ncdu it showed file that in total would be around 20GB - what's wrong there? |
| 09:00.07 | shtrb|laptop | ,v google-drive-ocamlfuse |
| 09:00.08 | judd | No package named 'google-drive-ocamlfuse' was found in amd64. |
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| 09:01.12 | basilic | hey all |
| 09:01.20 | ealfonso | I suddenly cannot access duckduckgo and tor! but I can access google.com, yahoo, etc... what is going on? |
| 09:04.47 | shtrb|laptop | cert issue ? |
| 09:05.16 | shtrb|laptop | last night there had been a huge outage because of cert expiration (the VR fiasco) |
| 09:06.39 | shtrb|laptop | ealfonso, can you do telnet duckduckgo.com 80 ? |
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| 09:09.24 | ealfonso | Trying 23.21.193.184... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable |
| 09:09.24 | ealfonso | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.47 | shtrb|laptop | firewall ? |
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| 09:10.21 | ealfonso | there are certain sites I can't access, like tor, duckduckgo, everything else seems fine |
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| 09:10.24 | shtrb|laptop | try with ec2-176-34-155-20.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com (176.34.155.20) |
| 09:10.27 | stevendale | Hiya |
| 09:10.32 | stevendale | I'm on Debian sid |
| 09:10.42 | stevendale | How do I upgrade Mesa to the version in experimental |
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| 09:10.54 | shtrb|laptop | ealfonso, maybe some part of the CDN is not accibale for you (or the ISP took meth again) |
| 09:10.58 | stevendale | Yes, I want to do this |
| 09:11.00 | OS-15186 | !edb |
| 09:11.09 | stevendale | I am aware of the risks |
| 09:11.16 | ealfonso | $ telnet ec2-176-34-155-20.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com Trying 176.34.155.20... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable |
| 09:11.16 | ealfonso | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.08 | shtrb|laptop | stevendale, apt-get install foobar -t=experimental |
| 09:12.17 | stevendale | But like |
| 09:12.20 | sumyunseal1 | :> |
| 09:12.22 | stevendale | What packages are the mesa |
| 09:12.27 | sumyunseal1 | masa |
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| 09:15.41 | shtrb|laptop | ealfonso, are you with some special ISP ? (ipv6 to ipv4, one that force you to install a cert for security etc) |
| 09:16.10 | ealfonso | ATT |
| 09:16.19 | ealfonso | I can't ssh to my own server |
| 09:17.00 | sumyunseal1 | umm |
| 09:17.22 | ealfonso | I'm on the phone with them now. Yesterday everything was working fine |
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| 09:18.33 | arora | ealfonso: Is that your ec2 aws server? |
| 09:19.14 | ealfonso | no. it is a digital ocean one |
| 09:19.15 | ealfonso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:19.45 | ealfonso | the one above was posted by shtrb|laptop |
| 09:20.12 | sumyunseal1 | wasa masa? |
| 09:21.30 | arora | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.33 | arora | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.35 | arora | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.38 | arora | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.41 | arora | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.44 | arora | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.54 | arora | Oh no really sorry for the spam. |
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| 09:22.01 | shtrb|laptop | arora, that ec2 is for duckduckgo |
| 09:23.27 | shtrb|laptop | it's weekend , maybe they put their routing to take some vacation from work? |
| 09:24.13 | sumyunseal1 | srs |
| 09:24.40 | sumyunseal1 | vodka time |
| 09:24.47 | arora | lol |
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| 09:25.46 | sumyunseal1 | zakroy internet bratan |
| 09:26.06 | shtrb|laptop | ealfonso, srsly maybe your access to amazon is down ? |
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| 09:26.25 | ealfonso | I don't own an amazon server |
| 09:26.32 | ealfonso | I can't access duckduckgo.com |
| 09:26.34 | stevendale | Back |
| 09:26.39 | stevendale | Linux still works ^^ |
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| 09:27.12 | arora | ealfonso: What does ping output for duckduckgo and others? |
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| 09:28.56 | ealfonso | I killed dhclient and wpa_supplicant, and restarted them. Now I'm able to connect |
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| 09:30.00 | ealfonso | it was weird that I was still able to access google, yahoo, facebook, but not duckduckgo, tor, and other 'less reputable' sites |
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| 09:32.07 | sumyunseal1 | so srow |
| 09:32.27 | bazhang | sumyunseal1, pardon |
| 09:32.32 | bazhang | agh |
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| 09:34.04 | shtrb|laptop | ealfonso, there white list only services by some ISPs, but I do not think AT&T give that by default |
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| 09:39.29 | alkisg | `gpasswd --administrators alkisg vboxusers` allows me to declare alkisg as an administrator of the vboxusers group. Is there any way for a non-root user to see (not change) the list of a group administrators? |
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| 09:41.35 | ealfonso | the ATT guy asked whether my OS was Windows or Mac |
| 09:42.42 | arora | Lol |
| 09:43.45 | arora | ealfonso: What did he suggest though? |
| 09:46.03 | ealfonso | he basically asked if I could reproduce on a different device, which I thought I had done and makes perfect sense as a way to rule out a problem with one device |
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| 09:46.29 | rendar | how i can have the latest linux kernel in my debian? |
| 09:46.43 | teatime | alkisg: anyone can see system group membership; via `grep ^vboxusers /etc/group` or `getent group vboxusers` |
| 09:46.52 | arora | rendar: Which one do you need exactly? |
| 09:47.03 | rendar | arora: the newest one |
| 09:47.07 | teatime | alkisg: kindof those commands, anyway; I suppose neither would show the case of user who's *primary* group was vboxusers, but you shouldn't have that configuration |
| 09:47.10 | alkisg | teatime: the group administrators are stored in gshadow, not in /etc/group. man gpasswd or man groups... |
| 09:47.14 | teatime | alkisg: and it's still in /etc/passwd |
| 09:47.19 | teatime | alkisg: oh, sorry, misunderstood |
| 09:47.22 | alkisg | np |
| 09:47.22 | rendar | arora: let's say 4.14 |
| 09:47.24 | teatime | thought you misspoke and meant members |
| 09:47.48 | alkisg | Group administrators can add/remove members from groups without sudo |
| 09:47.54 | arora | rendar: That's not the newest one though, 4.15.8 is the current version. |
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| 09:48.24 | teatime | alkisg: I did not know that was a thing; thank you for bringing it to my attention :) |
| 09:48.24 | ealfonso | I just couldn't believe, and still cannot really understand, how I could reach google and other major players, but not duckduckgo and tor. I quickly assumed it was some kind of censhorship |
| 09:48.32 | rendar | arora: ok, that one, how can i do that? |
| 09:48.41 | alkisg | teatime: np; I'm thinking to use it for shared folders between teachers and students |
| 09:49.02 | teatime | yes, it is an obvious feature, in retro-spect |
| 09:49.37 | arora | brb |
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| 09:54.35 | shtrb|laptop | ealfonso, maybe AT&T brought in the white list program or if they started to deliver the domain based packages |
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| 09:56.24 | ealfonso | maybe they are testing with a random sample of customers to see how they react. blue-green deployment |
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| 09:57.45 | shtrb|laptop | You should drop an email to digitalocean to say that they are blocked at AT&T, it could do better pressure than just your call to AT&T |
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| 09:58.27 | ealfonso | I'm not able to reproduce anymore unfortunately |
| 09:58.34 | shtrb|laptop | s/should/it would be good to do so/g |
| 09:58.45 | shtrb|laptop | so now duckduckgo and digitalocean work ? |
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| 09:59.44 | rendar | anyone can help? |
| 09:59.56 | ealfonso | yes, like I said, after killing and restarting wpa_supplicant and dhclient. So I didn't get a chance to investigate and only have those results posted above, i.e. unable to telnet to those domains/IPs |
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| 10:04.34 | arora | rendar: Hey, back at it, do you want the kernel from linus' tree or from debian repo with patches? |
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| 10:05.20 | rendar | arora: would be awesome |
| 10:05.30 | rendar | arora: would be awesome the first one |
| 10:05.52 | rendar | arora: do i have to apply debian patches to the kernel to run debian properly? |
| 10:06.01 | jelly | no |
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| 10:06.36 | jelly | you do need a couple kernel settings to be enabled, mostly for systemd to be able to do its things |
| 10:06.38 | arora | no no, it will run, patches just make it more smoother, but if you want to contribute to kernel, then you will need linus' tree |
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| 10:07.41 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 10:07.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 10:07.44 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3) |
| 10:08.08 | jelly | rendar: if all you want is 4.14, get it from stretch-backports |
| 10:08.18 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 10:08.18 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 10:08.28 | jelly | !stretch-backports |
| 10:08.28 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 10:09.10 | rendar | i see |
| 10:09.40 | arora | Nice. |
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| 10:10.08 | arora | rendar: Also what's output of uname -a |
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| 10:11.10 | rendar | i don't know, i don't have debian installed yet |
| 10:11.18 | rendar | so i will install the latest stretch |
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| 10:13.26 | arora | Oh |
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| 10:46.58 | gunix | ,v bind |
| 10:46.59 | judd | No package named 'bind' was found in amd64. |
| 10:47.05 | gunix | ,v bind9 |
| 10:47.06 | judd | Package: bind9 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u20; wheezy-backports: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u14; jessie-updates: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u14; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u15; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u15; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u3; stretch-updates: |
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| 11:10.04 | kesnol | sais hello |
| 11:10.12 | kesnol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:14.11 | hexnewbie | kesnol: Do any of the userspace clients works, e.g. smbclient, mc, KIO (KDE's Dolphin/Krusader), or GVFS (like Nautilus or something)? Or do they also display corrupted filenames? Sounds like a broken server to me, though |
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| 11:22.01 | kesnol | Dolphin some times shows an error saying that it can not find the folder or file "u" other times it doesn't show any error but it shows empty |
| 11:22.20 | kesnol | "u" is the fist folder in the samba share usb1_1 |
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| 11:22.47 | kesnol | smblcient and mount (forcing version=1.0) don't show any error |
| 11:23.01 | shtrb|laptop | hexnewbie, can you check if folders and files use only latin-1 (US english) characters ? |
| 11:23.04 | kesnol | but qhenyou do a ls, it show ?????????? u |
| 11:23.24 | kesnol | then you can navigate with: cd usb1_1 |
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| 11:23.54 | kesnol | and you cansee al the first character for every file and folder in the usb device |
| 11:23.55 | shtrb|laptop | kesnol, can you check if folders and files use only latin-1 (US english) characters ? |
| 11:24.13 | shtrb|laptop | That sound like mismatched charset |
| 11:25.03 | hexnewbie | kesnol: That really sounds like the equivalent of opendir()/readdir() in CIFS on this server returns data off-standard that can't be properly interpreted (whether due to charset or other corruption). |
| 11:25.23 | hexnewbie | IOW, directory listing from the server comes in corrupt |
| 11:25.25 | kesnol | I'm not sure about how to check it |
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| 11:26.07 | kesnol | I just formated again the usb |
| 11:26.47 | kesnol | In pc is show the content properly |
| 11:26.59 | hexnewbie | kesnol: Is your local charset utf8? |
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| 11:27.45 | kesnol | es_ES.UTF-8 |
| 11:28.22 | hexnewbie | kesnol: Does mounting with iocharset=utf8 produce any noticable difference? (The ????????? in ls output would tell me no, but try anyway) |
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| 11:30.18 | hexnewbie | From what I can tell, SMB/CIFS uses Unicode internally like Windows (UTF-16 on the wire I suspect, since that's Microsoft) and doesn't support DOS codepages (at least smbclient and mount.cifs don't seem to; old SMB itself might), so I can't see how it can be a charset issue. |
| 11:31.08 | kesnol | sudo mount -vvv //192.168.1.1/samba /mnt -o username=samba,password=samba,vers=1.0,iocharset=utf8 |
| 11:31.09 | kesnol | ls: cannot access '/mnt/u': No such file or directory |
| 11:31.17 | kesnol | ????????? ? ? ? ? ? u |
| 11:31.59 | hexnewbie | kesnol: Did you try other vers=, like 2.0, etc? |
| 11:32.10 | kesnol | other version doesn't work |
| 11:32.49 | hexnewbie | kesnol: Er, yeah you did say you did try others, but did you try *all* others (1.0, 2.0, 2.1 and 3.0)? |
| 11:33.07 | hexnewbie | kesnol: Does this work from Windows? |
| 11:33.10 | kesnol | yes, 2.0, 2.1 and 3.0 |
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| 11:33.27 | kesnol | it works from windows. from windows it doesn't request password |
| 11:33.54 | hexnewbie | kesnol: smbclient //192.168.1.1/samba |
| 11:34.11 | hexnewbie | kesnol: Any luck running ‘ls’ there? |
| 11:34.14 | kesnol | for authentication I needed to modify smb.conf and add some stuff |
| 11:34.22 | kesnol | client lanman auth = yes and client ntlmv2 auth = no |
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| 11:35.07 | kesnol | smbclient //192.168.1.1/samba -Usamba%samba |
| 11:35.07 | hexnewbie | kesnol: Wait. The server is Samba? |
| 11:35.26 | kesnol | smb: \> ls |
| 11:35.32 | kesnol | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.55 | kesnol | I addet it to my pc smb.conf file |
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| 11:36.06 | kesnol | but yes the router has a samba running |
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| 11:36.16 | kesnol | but i cant modify it |
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| 11:39.43 | hexnewbie | kesnol: Any effect of using -o nounix ? |
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| 11:41.04 | kesnol | last day a tryed all this: vers=1.0,nounix,nouser_xattr,nocase,noacl,uid=myuser,gid=myuser,file_mode=0666,dir_mode=0777,nodfs,iocharset=utf8 |
| 11:41.24 | kesnol | but same result |
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| 11:44.18 | hexnewbie | That's a very wild speculation, but cutting it off at ‘u’ does sound a lot as if server is returning the directory listing in UTF-32-LE instead of UTF-16-LE, and the smbclient interprets the extra two null bytes as a null terminator, and Windows does not. |
| 11:44.34 | hexnewbie | Not sure if CIFS uses LE or BE, though |
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| 11:46.30 | hexnewbie | ‘Unless otherwise specified, all Unicode strings follow the UTF-16LE encoding scheme with no Byte Order Mark (BOM).’ So yeah, the result is consistent with my crazy idea. That would mean the router uses something other than Samba (or somebody messed that Samba badly, editing the source code no less) |
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| 11:48.22 | aphotica | lol no one's answered it yet https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/426526/how-to-permanently-set-default-color-of-fehs-background-to-black |
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| 11:59.37 | Wulf | Hello! |
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| 12:00.50 | Wulf | I can't copy+paste from gnome-terminal to GUI. terminal-to-terminal works, gui-to-gui works, gui-to-terminal works. A workaround I found is that I can copy from terminal and in gedit hold ctrl-v for several seconds; eventually the paste appears (many times). Is that a known problem, is there a solution? |
| 12:01.42 | Wulf | Logging out + in again solves the problem for a while too. |
| 12:01.56 | kesnol | Thanks for your support hexnewbie and shtrb|laptop I will center my efforts as a charset problem |
| 12:01.56 | apt | pas de quoi, kesnol |
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| 12:04.58 | CoJaBo | Wulf: Restarting the source app usually works; seems to affect Kubuntu 17.10 too |
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| 12:06.48 | Kalimero | Hi, I want to suspend or hibernate my system when systemload is below x after a certain time or if possible when no / low network traffic. Basically if no one uses the computer externally suspend it. Any tips what topic to look at? |
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| 12:07.45 | Wulf | CoJaBo: indeed. |
| 12:07.49 | Wulf | CoJaBo: thanks for the hint. |
| 12:08.09 | Wulf | CoJaBo: It's just that usually I've got so many terminal windows open, I never get to restart it :) |
| 12:08.29 | hkumar006c | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Deepin "unstable" 15.5 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4690K CPU @ 3.50GHz (1.80GHz) • Memory: 15.3 GiB Total (13.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 587.7 GB / 1.2 TB (657.3 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 970] @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 5m 26s |
| 12:11.16 | CoJaBo | Same lol. |
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| 12:44.58 | donald | I want to install software to an offline VM by shared folder. when I do apt-offline set ec.sig --install-packages eclipse-cdt; from the gurest offline system then I got : "ERROR FATAL: something wrong with the apt system". But it is woking when I do apt-offline set ec.sig;. Sadly the last option does not permit to install the eclipse-cdt pacakge later. |
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| 12:49.09 | dutchfish | donald, just a wild gues, do both have up to date keyring sigs? |
| 12:50.06 | dutchfish | donald, normally sudo apt-offline set $(hostname)-update.sig --update |
| 12:50.48 | dutchfish | donald, and check /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
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| 12:51.22 | dutchfish | donald, since that is what apt-offline uses |
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| 12:53.26 | dutchfish | donald, asuming this is Debian/stable |
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| 12:55.41 | donald | dutchfish sorry I have to go. can I see you in approximately 1 h 30? |
| 12:56.11 | dutchfish | donald, sorry, no, i have to run some erands, maybe this evening (CET) |
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| 12:56.40 | donald | ok good bye |
| 12:56.46 | dutchfish | donald, gl |
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| 12:57.06 | donald | thank you |
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| 13:31.45 | zy]x[yz | I just apt-update/upgraded five VPSs running debian stretch, all with identical sources.list, and one of them received updates the others didn't - most notably a newer libc. what's up with that? |
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| 13:34.12 | notadrop | I see that libreoffice and some related packages have updates out today... but apt is going to downgrade two packages I have installed |
| 13:34.26 | notadrop | is there somewhere I can read the reason for this downgrade? |
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| 13:38.33 | themill | The complete output would be good to see. You've got to work pretty hard to get apt to downgrade packages. |
| 13:39.21 | notadrop | just the complete output of 'apt upgrade'? or is there some -v flag I should set? |
| 13:39.34 | themill | that would be a good start |
| 13:39.36 | themill | !bat |
| 13:39.36 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 13:41.41 | notadrop | themill: https://ptpb.pw/F3c2 |
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| 13:44.19 | coruja | apt policy tor tor-geoipdb |
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| 13:45.40 | notadrop | coming right up! |
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| 13:46.44 | notadrop | coruja: https://ptpb.pw/81cL |
| 13:47.26 | L0g4nAd4ms | If i want to include the driver for my network card in the initramfs do i have to specify the kernel module name reported in lspci -v like "virtio_net" or "virtio_pc" ? |
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| 13:48.29 | coruja | notadrop, looks like frankendebian with strange pinning settings |
| 13:48.52 | notadrop | coruja: yeah it is |
| 13:50.09 | coruja | notadrop, so first you should make up yur mind what kind of system you want to have, then we can tell you if it's possible or not |
| 13:50.13 | coruja | your |
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| 13:51.33 | notadrop | coruja: can I comment things out in /etc/apt/preferences with # ? |
| 13:52.45 | coruja | notadrop, you can, but again, first decide which release to follow, then take appropiate action |
| 13:53.07 | coruja | chances are that you mess up your system even more |
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| 13:54.27 | notadrop | here is my frankendebian setup: https://ptpb.pw/QbB2 |
| 13:54.38 | notadrop | not sure why it's downgrading Tor |
| 13:55.30 | notadrop | if someone could upload their /etc/apt/preferences that would be greatly appreciated |
| 13:55.42 | notadrop | I realize this kind of setup is unsupported, etc |
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| 13:56.56 | grandfso | Hi! Can I run executable file with additional capabilities (setcap cap_net_admin ) as a non-root, non-sudoer user? Bash doens't let me -bash: ./venv/bin/python: Operation not permitted |
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| 13:57.15 | grandfso | This program will run with sudo, though |
| 13:57.34 | themill | notadrop: you want numbers like 500 and 600 not 1000 and 1001. |
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| 13:57.56 | notadrop | themill: I had 500 before, I guess I'll go back to that |
| 13:58.07 | notadrop | out of curiosity, why not 1000+ |
| 13:58.16 | themill | because that tells apt to downgrade packages |
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| 13:58.21 | notadrop | oh |
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| 13:58.26 | notadrop | anything over 999 does? |
| 13:59.08 | hypn0 | should you have an /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:59.21 | notadrop | themill: thank you, this fixed it :) |
| 14:00.29 | themill | notadrop: check apt_preferences(5) for details |
| 14:01.40 | teatime | grandfso: yes, you can, but it's not as useful actually as it first appears; the capabilities are coarse-grained, and many of them can be leveraged into full root access ... |
| 14:02.28 | teatime | themill: how is the 'default release' determined, when (as is the usual case) it is not set in the apt configuration? |
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| 14:03.21 | teatime | grandfso: what exactly are you running there & how (involving bash, python, and I guess a python script?) |
| 14:03.48 | themill | teatime: default release isn't a thing; it's just a way of setting an additional temporary pin. |
| 14:03.52 | grandfso | teatime: so it's better to run with via sudo session, rather than elevate capabilities of a binary file systemwide ? |
| 14:04.17 | grandfso | teatime: it's python script, it binds to specific network interface |
| 14:04.52 | grandfso | and makes an outbound connection via this interface |
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| 14:06.11 | teatime | grandfso: by binds, do you mean creates a listening TCP or UDP port ? |
| 14:06.15 | teatime | if so, what port # |
| 14:07.07 | teatime | themill: hrm, fair enough... some docs I was going over made it sound as if it was important it be defined if one had any pinning configured whatsoever.. but doc was probably old, and even originally incorrect. |
| 14:09.51 | grandfso | I am trying to open ssh connection to remote server, from network interface with dedicated public IP. |
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| 14:10.23 | teatime | so your program is an SSH client ? |
| 14:10.27 | teatime | essentially? |
| 14:10.47 | grandfso | I guess it is :) |
| 14:10.50 | teatime | or is it a server ? |
| 14:10.56 | grandfso | client |
| 14:11.02 | grandfso | In my mind is Optimus Prime though |
| 14:11.15 | grandfso | it is* |
| 14:11.23 | teatime | ok... so, it does not under a normal configuration, require any special privs (such as root, or any capabilities) to do that |
| 14:11.37 | teatime | so I don't beleive cap_net_raw will help you |
| 14:12.20 | teatime | I suspect there is some *other* reason it is failing when not run under root; what originally led you to think it was being denied access to make network connections? |
| 14:14.01 | grandfso | I tried to run without root, python would throw ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connection refused. If I run with sudo, this error doesn't happen, so I thought if I give additional capabilities to python executable, this would work withou sudo. |
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| 14:14.49 | teatime | perhaps if I could see full un-edited output, and/or the software in question. I'm not quite sure how/why you would see that, given what else you've said about what it does. but /me shrugs |
| 14:15.17 | alkisg | You can also run sudo netstat -nap and see which ports it binds to eventually |
| 14:15.36 | teatime | well he said it's a client, which kinda jives w/ 'connection refused' |
| 14:15.44 | teatime | however, perhaps there is a server component too, so yes. |
| 14:16.57 | alkisg | The client may request a source port below 1024 or something; running it with sudo and then running netstat would show.. |
| 14:16.59 | teatime | or, ok you mean not a listening port alkisg. /me shrugs again |
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| 14:17.21 | teatime | grandfso: for sure, we don't have enough or clear enough information yet to debug/diagnose |
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| 14:17.28 | teatime | and cap_net_raw will not help you |
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| 14:19.10 | fr3_kk | Guys, I am thinking to fire a stable distro like Debian in a dual booted Macbook. Because if I run macOS one more month, I will be fired from job. It rebooted itself during a serious presentation today. WTF is wrong with Apple these days. Can you guys tell me if you had any critical issues while running Debian "Stable" as a long time (about 6+ years) regular user (besides system admin stuffs) before? I run Debian unstable in a deskto |
| 14:19.12 | fr3_kk | p and I get issues from time to time (but I do bug reporting regularly, that's why I run it). So what's your review on Debian Stable as a long time Debian stable user? |
| 14:19.52 | teatime | fr3_kk: I don't understand, you say you have been a Debian user for 6 years? |
| 14:20.03 | fr3_kk | Debian Unstable |
| 14:20.03 | teatime | fr3_kk: sure you can run Stretch on your laptop/workstation; I do. |
| 14:20.20 | teatime | fr3_kk: sure dude, sounds like a reasonable plan to me. |
| 14:20.35 | grandfso | Ok, I appreciate the suggestions. I am just playing around, trying to understand network interfaces, so i might be doing something else there, but it's such a mess.. |
| 14:21.11 | teatime | grandfso: understood. breaking shit etc. is very educational, I encourage you to continue playing around ;) |
| 14:21.43 | fr3_kk | :teatime I never used stable debian, thats why I am asking |
| 14:22.06 | teatime | it's like unstable, except the version numbers are lower, and it explodes far less frequently |
| 14:22.16 | grandfso | just out of curiosity... So by elevating capabilities of an executable, makes the executable basically unaccesible for non root users ? |
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| 14:23.48 | fr3_kk | :teatime So, it still explodes? Keeping backup won't be a problem, but crashing system while performing a presentation is horrible. |
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| 14:24.00 | fr3_kk | Lets see |
| 14:24.04 | teatime | grandfso: no, permissions control who can execute it; there is also 'setuid' and 'setgid' included in the permissions which can be used to make the executable run as e.g. root even if it's ran by an unpriv user; capabilities are separate from that, if you give an executable extra caps, the permissions still control who can run it, but the caps make it succeed when it tries to do something that normall |
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| 14:24.10 | teatime | needs root |
| 14:24.20 | teatime | e.g., the ping command needs either root (via sudo, or via setuid), or cap_net_raw |
| 14:25.14 | grandfso | hang on |
| 14:25.23 | teatime | but because it does "raw" stuff w/ the network, writes raw packets; making tcp & udp connections, including binding to an interface & opening a listening port do not require the raw access (but you do need root etc. to bind to a "privileged port", one <1024) |
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| 14:25.51 | teatime | grandfso: setuid and setgid do not work for scripts, btw. I dunno how capabilities might interact with interpreted scripts. |
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| 14:32.01 | grandfso | teatime: https://pastebin.com/ZGCaps6L |
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| 14:32.43 | grandfso | but again, as you've said it might be that the cap_net_raw still requires root. |
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| 14:33.23 | L0g4nAd4ms | Well, i do not know what i do wrong, but i can not get dropbear-initramfs working so that i can unlock my debian server via SSH. if i try to connect with ssh i get no response at all, even though my network card driver is included in the initramfs and the authorized keys file is in the right place |
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| 14:37.35 | teatime | grandfso: I didn't say that, it doesn't |
| 14:37.51 | teatime | grandfso: I dunno what is going on there, though; good job demonstrating the weird thing |
| 14:38.26 | teatime | grandfso: it may not be python-specific, but I suggest you ask #python or whoever, just in case python interacts weirdly w/ capabilities |
| 14:39.01 | teatime | grandfso: when you run /venv/bin/python3, that is literally running *only* python3, not even your custom program, eh? |
| 14:39.07 | grandfso | nope |
| 14:39.12 | grandfso | just the python binary |
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| 14:39.57 | holycow | hi |
| 14:40.13 | alkisg | Hello |
| 14:40.37 | holycow | anyone here manage to get a linux guest succesfully use gpu passthrough on qemu? |
| 14:40.40 | grandfso | now I'm wondering if the capabilities are added correctly, I copied something from SO, which has +eip at the end, which is still present when I getcap. |
| 14:41.31 | holycow | windows guests do gpu passthrogh just fine on qemu but linux guests refuse to boot with gpu passthrough |
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| 14:41.52 | holycow | just curious if any user has actually got it to work. |
| 14:42.17 | holycow | googling suggests no one has ever gotten it to work |
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| 14:44.38 | teatime | grandfso: is /venv/bin/python3 setuid or setgid? do `ls -l /venv/bin/python3` and look at the permissions |
| 14:45.12 | teatime | grandfso: e.g., this is setuid: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 61240 Nov 10 2016 /bin/ping |
| 14:45.36 | grandfso | -rwxr-xr-x 1 grandfso grandfso |
| 14:46.22 | grandfso | this is in virtualenv, though |
| 14:46.44 | teatime | doesn't matter; that's a thing python cares about, but not special to e.g. the kernel |
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| 14:48.32 | grandfso | peculiar, isn't it ? :) |
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| 14:54.21 | grandfso | teatime: if this could be related to the kernel, then possibly the virtualization employed on the vps may be the culprit? I believe OpenVZ might block some access to the kernel. |
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| 14:54.53 | teatime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:55.28 | teatime | grandfso: You could strace it, and determine exactly what it is trying to do when it encounters operation not permitted |
| 14:57.22 | grandfso | teatime: thank you for the help, much appreciated. Im not gonna trace it, I rather will go back to playing with the code :) Sudo will have to do for the moment. Thanks again! |
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| 15:09.41 | tpanarch1st | hello, i'm using Proxmox, i'm trying to upgrade and, first of all, I need to know how to interpret free space, i'm using the pvesm command and I can't work out whether it is telling me about available storage or used storage |
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| 15:10.09 | tpanarch1st | sorry to ask you guys but i'm having a lot of people being awkward with me across IRC and I ask as Proxmox is built on Debian and likely to lend code from Debian itself |
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| 15:13.58 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 15:28.26 | crimson_king | I couldn't find the package numix-icon-theme-circle anymore. What happened to it? |
| 15:28.40 | pie3 | any recommendation for good pdf editor? |
| 15:28.57 | aero023023 | Adobe Reader |
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| 15:29.25 | pie3 | pdf editor |
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| 15:30.30 | krrishg | Libre office can be used |
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| 16:49.42 | password8 | urg |
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| 16:50.15 | password8 | my desktop enviroment somehow grows bigger than the displayed area , then when my mouse gets close to an edge , it pans |
| 16:51.04 | password8 | this is some screwed up settings i have |
| 16:51.19 | password8 | when i apply them initially they work one way |
| 16:51.36 | password8 | tehn at a later point it starts working differently |
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| 16:52.44 | smacnay | I used to use that setting back in the 1990's but forget how I set it and how to to unset it. It was an X setting if I recall. |
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| 17:08.39 | badchipmunk | Good morning, all |
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| 17:16.46 | eric23 | how do I know my kernel is patched for Meltdown? I checked the changelog for 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 and it says nothing about it. |
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| 17:18.21 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 17:18.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 17:18.23 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3) |
| 17:18.37 | jhutchins | !meltdown |
| 17:18.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, meltdown is https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5754 |
| 17:18.49 | jhutchins | eric23: Do you have a lot of users on your system? |
| 17:18.54 | eric23 | Just me |
| 17:19.05 | jhutchins | Are you afraid you might attack your system? |
| 17:19.37 | eric23 | I just might |
| 17:19.52 | jhutchins | Better read up on it then, you'll need to take precautions. |
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| 17:31.45 | jelly | eric23, what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:35.43 | eric23 | 4.9.0-4-686-pae |
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| 17:36.41 | jelly | your system is unpatched, then |
| 17:36.57 | jelly | latest ABI looks like 4.9.0-6-something |
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| 17:40.52 | miroesq | I haven't been able to update in ages with this error Failed to fetch Failed to fetch http://packages.moopi.uk/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease is this repo gone or something? |
| 17:41.27 | jelly | hard to say, since that's not debian's repo |
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| 17:41.47 | jelly | it's something you would have added manually |
| 17:41.49 | miroesq | thx. couldn't find anything abojut it whensearching |
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| 17:42.05 | jelly | grep -R moopi.uk /etc/apt |
| 17:42.45 | jelly | miroesq, which debian release is installed on that system? |
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| 17:57.38 | tunasalad | what do I know when it's the March and the cat is going crazy 24/7 |
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| 17:57.58 | tunasalad | *what do i do |
| 17:58.03 | tunasalad | he's 13 |
| 17:58.37 | ioc_ | jhutchins, javascript from web pages has been shown to be able to use meltdown |
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| 17:59.11 | tunasalad | not gonna kill him |
| 17:59.36 | tunasalad | that includes javascript |
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| 18:00.23 | ioc_ | in fact firefox (or your webbrowser of choice) also includes meltdown patches and should be kept up-to-date |
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| 18:00.47 | tunasalad | that neuters the cat how |
| 18:01.03 | ioc_ | eric23, only LTS kernels >= 4.4 (or supported by the distro) are safe |
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| 18:01.41 | tunasalad | fuck are you talking about. whichh one is more kharam? |
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| 18:02.34 | tunasalad | babies are not happy |
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| 18:03.18 | tunasalad | wifes are obviously not happy |
| 18:03.32 | tunasalad | do they have a say |
| 18:03.33 | annadane | tunasalad, off topic |
| 18:03.54 | tunasalad | they freaking don't |
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| 18:04.09 | tunasalad | annadane, fuck you. |
| 18:04.50 | tunasalad | you happy around here? |
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| 18:05.50 | tunasalad | don't believe those guys will blow up in thw downtown? |
| 18:05.58 | annadane | !ops tunasalad |
| 18:05.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: annadane complains about a problem (see above) |
| 18:06.49 | tunasalad | where can I get that ranodom shit |
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| 18:07.22 | tunasalad | which probably constitutes a weapon |
| 18:08.06 | tunasalad | you WILL be raided. |
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| 18:08.39 | tunasalad | and questioned. |
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| 18:10.28 | tunasalad | there's a list of you alll |
| 18:11.16 | tunasalad | hope y'all get deported; at least your close ones |
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| 18:12.49 | z0 | hypothetical: if i gave someone a snapshot of a private server what measures should i take so that the original remains secure? i mean should i alter it in any way to prevent the recipient of gaining useful "insider" information? |
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| 18:13.28 | tunasalad | what's on your pc? |
| 18:13.44 | tunasalad | I'll leave the kiddie porn |
| 18:14.07 | dax | tunasalad: that's enough. |
| 18:14.15 | tunasalad | if you give it up like a good guy |
| 18:15.10 | tunasalad | describing who each of the bad guys is |
| 18:15.43 | tunasalad | I can probably do 5 years |
| 18:16.39 | tunasalad | and that's if you point to those other retards in this very church |
| 18:16.55 | z0 | tunasalad: what are you going on about? |
| 18:17.32 | tunasalad | kind obvious aint it |
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| 18:17.51 | dax | No, not really. But if it isn't Debian support, take it elsewhere. |
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| 18:18.48 | tunasalad | see there, a smart ass |
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| 18:19.18 | ioc_ | z0, non-world-readable files may be a starting point |
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| 18:19.40 | tunasalad | I'm sorry, gotta empty my trash |
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| 18:22.16 | badchipmunk | So I can't seem to get my openvswitch bridge to come up on boot |
| 18:22.22 | badchipmunk | Not entirely sure wy |
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| 18:22.40 | badchipmunk | . /etc/network/interfaces is set up according to the manual |
| 18:23.43 | badchipmunk | anyone here gone down this road before? |
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| 18:29.33 | descuidado | does anybody know what system utilities include when installing a fresh debian system?, also what does debian desktop eviroment include too? i want to make a super clean install with nothing included, is that a problem? |
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| 18:31.37 | ioc_ | apt-cache depends task-xfce-desktop |
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| 18:34.28 | tunasalad | can I convert to Catolisism? |
| 18:34.40 | tunasalad | wife can't cook for shit |
| 18:34.42 | dax | !ops tunasalad |
| 18:34.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: dax complains about a problem (see above) |
| 18:35.35 | tunasalad | none of that applies |
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| 18:36.30 | tunasalad | do I get to tinker with them little girls |
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| 18:37.14 | tunasalad | is that by the book |
| 18:37.17 | annadane | shut it |
| 18:37.41 | tunasalad | why would i? |
| 18:38.06 | tunasalad | ain't that a prerequisite |
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| 18:38.45 | tunasalad | y'all go Join Orthodox Christian church |
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| 18:39.05 | annadane | jesus CHRIST. |
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| 18:39.11 | annadane | no pun intended. |
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| 18:43.17 | dax | descuidado: "standard system utilities" includes stuff like manpages, less, etc. it's stuff that isn't required to use Debian on the command-line, but which most people would expect to be there. "Debian Desktop Environment" will install GNOME unless you select another desktop environment underneath it |
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| 18:54.29 | descuidado | dax: if i select "GNOME" instead of debian desktop enviroment, is it the same thing? |
| 18:54.52 | descuidado | dax: also would you recommend using nome? it's the only enviroment i feel comfortable so far, i dont like mate, cinnamon, kde or xfce |
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| 18:59.50 | notadrop | Installing Firefox 59 from experimental repo, to test out new features (sort of like how some people use Nightly) - is this necessarily a bad idea? |
| 19:01.31 | jrabe | Not really, Firefox stable releases are usually well-tested (that doesn't apply to nightly builds, of course). |
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| 19:01.53 | notadrop | As far as I can tell... that is beta firefox, in the experimental repo? |
| 19:01.54 | jrabe | descuidado, not sure about your first question, but GNOME is a very user-friendly desktop environment in my opinion. |
| 19:01.58 | notadrop | FF beta is on ver 59 |
| 19:02.39 | descuidado | jrabe: i dont really care about "customizing" honestly, but people recommend xfce a lot more over GNOME |
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| 19:02.48 | descuidado | jrabe so i cant decide |
| 19:03.15 | n4dir | install both and make up your own mind? |
| 19:03.18 | jrabe | oh. In that case I wouldn't recommend using it for everyday browsing (there's a slim chance it'll delete your history, have a serious security vulnerability, etc.), but ultimately it's up to you. |
| 19:04.01 | descuidado | jrabe you mean xfce? |
| 19:04.02 | jrabe | descuidado, both have their own strong points. I'm simplifying, but xfce tends to be a lot more customizable and scriptable, while GNOME provides an easy-to-use and user-friendly out-of-the-box experience |
| 19:04.14 | jrabe | descuidado, no, I was talking to notadrop, sorry. |
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| 19:04.57 | jjvvx | hello. I'm on Debian 9.3 stretch and apt-get is asking me to add source repos to my sources.list yet there are source repos on it. what could be the problem? |
| 19:06.21 | jrabe | !buster sources.list |
| 19:06.21 | dpkg | Debian 9 "Stretch" has only just been released which means that it's a bad time for people who don't know a lot about Debian to be trying to use the 'testing' release (aka buster). If you have to ask this question, you shouldn't! |
| 19:06.57 | jrabe | wait, I misread... sorry. |
| 19:07.43 | jrabe | Unless you really *are* using buster, ignore that message |
| 19:07.50 | jjvvx | I am not |
| 19:08.09 | jjvvx | does it want me to append the word "source" to one of them? I'm very confused |
| 19:08.32 | jrabe | Can you paste your sources.list and the exact error log somewhere? |
| 19:08.44 | epsilon | jjvvx: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:09.00 | jjvvx | epsilon: download the source of nginx to add the rtmp module |
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| 19:09.51 | epsilon | generally you need 'deb-src' in /etc/apt/sources.list, the rest of line is same as 'deb' |
| 19:09.51 | jrabe | Oh, thought you were just trying to update. |
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| 19:10.19 | jjvvx | epsilon: I haven't touched mine since I started the VM, there's multiple deb-src lines |
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| 19:11.02 | epsilon | then use 'apt-get source ...' and get sourcecode |
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| 19:12.46 | epsilon | jjvvx: just for info, I#m not sure about that specific module. But debian provides different nginx packages containing more or less modules of nginx. did you check it already? |
| 19:12.58 | jjvvx | oh solved it |
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| 19:13.14 | jjvvx | forgot this was a fresh install and didn't `apt-get update` |
| 19:13.24 | jjvvx | that also explains why normal binaries weren't downloading lol |
| 19:14.06 | hypn0 | synaptic is so much easier |
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| 19:43.24 | alkisg | I'm trying to install pam-imap from github. The debian question is, how do I fetch and install my server's certificate, imap.googlemail.com, so that it doesn't complain that it can't verify it. |
| 19:43.24 | alkisg | So far I have: openssl s_client -showcerts -connect imap.googlemail.com:993 <dev/null 2>/dev/null > gmail.pem; edit gmail.pem; openssl verify gmail.pem => and it says it can't trust that chain... |
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| 19:44.29 | alkisg | (btw, if someone knows why this isn't packaged for debian, while there was an itp and there's even a debian/ folder in github...) |
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| 19:59.52 | ikus060 | Hello, I've made changes to nut (network ups tools). My change is working, but I'm not able to compile nut as debian is doing. |
| 20:00.03 | ikus060 | Need some help here. Is their a nut IRC channel you know about ? |
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| 20:02.05 | Tenkawa | ikus060: not sure of a channel but what compile problem you running into? |
| 20:04.00 | ikus060 | Tenkawa: well, as a start, the paths are not the same when I compile from source. /etc/nut vs /etc/ups |
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| 20:05.14 | Tenkawa | ikus060: which method are you using to build? |
| 20:05.36 | ikus060 | Tenkawa: as usual: ./configure ....; make |
| 20:06.00 | Tenkawa | you need to specify those inn the configure line |
| 20:06.23 | Tenkawa | you need to find out how it was built before |
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| 20:06.52 | alkisg | ikus060: apt source nut; change; debuild -b -tc; dpkg -i ../*.deb |
| 20:06.53 | ikus060 | Tenkawa: yes, U get that part, I took them from nut source package. But it still not the same. That why I want to chat with dev from nut. |
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| 20:07.15 | Tenkawa | yeah....i'm blid |
| 20:07.18 | Tenkawa | er blind |
| 20:07.20 | Tenkawa | sorry |
| 20:07.49 | ikus060 | Tenkawa: The driver is compiling and everything, but the status of the driver is not shared to nut-server. I don't know enough about nut to understand what wrong with the communication between the driver and nut-server. I suspect an ssl problem... |
| 20:07.54 | Tenkawa | i was having a moment there where i completely couldnt read what you typed |
| 20:08.02 | Tenkawa | that was my bad.. my apologies |
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| 20:09.42 | Tenkawa | yeah you should be able to do what alkisg said |
| 20:09.58 | Tenkawa | theres a few different ways |
| 20:10.15 | jhutchins | ikus060: You might start with Debian source rathere than upstream source. |
| 20:10.53 | Tenkawa | another is (if you have all the build dependencies installed) is apt-get -b source nut |
| 20:11.03 | Tenkawa | that will build it too |
| 20:11.46 | Tenkawa | you can run apt-get build-dep nut beforehand to install dependencies |
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| 20:16.21 | JordiGH | I don't get it. This says postgres has a CVE on stable: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-1058 |
| 20:16.38 | JordiGH | But postgres doesn't show up here: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/stable |
| 20:16.49 | JordiGH | Eh? |
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| 20:18.58 | descuidado | anybody knows if buster is gonna have gnome as default? or an option |
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| 20:19.52 | Tenkawa | its not yet assigbed |
| 20:20.01 | Tenkawa | er assiged |
| 20:20.14 | Tenkawa | er assigned... the filter was off |
| 20:20.15 | descuidado | oh hi tenkawa |
| 20:20.23 | Tenkawa | JordiGH: |
| 20:21.09 | Tenkawa | if i turned all the filters off it shows up on the second page |
| 20:21.13 | Tenkawa | descuidado: hey |
| 20:21.44 | descuidado | when upgrading releases, whats better, configuring sources.list or formatting? |
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| 20:22.00 | descuidado | sounds dumb but i want to be ready when buster comes out |
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| 20:22.54 | Tenkawa | I'm going to let someone else answer that.. i do a lot of tweaking |
| 20:23.32 | descuidado | Tenkawa do you like GNOME? |
| 20:24.37 | JordiGH | Tenkawa: Ah! Which filter is filtering it out? |
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| 20:27.38 | adminewb | JordiGH, the DSA one it seems |
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| 20:28.36 | JordiGH | Tenkawa: I'm having trouble finding it. Can you show me the link that shows you postgres? |
| 20:29.08 | Tenkawa | I couldnt tell.. i turned all filters off |
| 20:29.17 | JordiGH | So untick every box? |
| 20:29.22 | JordiGH | If I untick every box, nothing shows up. |
| 20:29.30 | JordiGH | I think the filters are part of your url. |
| 20:29.34 | JordiGH | In the query string. |
| 20:30.19 | adminewb | the <no-dsa> i should say |
| 20:30.29 | jhutchins | destiny_: Debian has a pretty good track record for in-place upgrades. |
| 20:30.56 | jhutchins | destiny_: It's a good idea to wait a few weeks and be sure to read release notes and errata. |
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| 20:31.14 | JordiGH | Aha, this: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/stable?filter=1&filter=unassigned_urgency&filter=nodsa |
| 20:31.19 | JordiGH | Now it shows up. |
| 20:31.26 | jhutchins | destiny_: Sorry, wrong nic. |
| 20:31.34 | JordiGH | adminewb: That just means nobody has decided to fix it, right? Not that it's not important. |
| 20:31.56 | Tenkawa | btw I think you have tou check them.. |
| 20:34.22 | adminewb | JordiGH, out of my depth i'm afraid |
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| 21:16.32 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 21:16.36 | johnfg | Anyone have x11vnc server starting at boot? |
| 21:16.48 | volter | johnfg: I think we are doing that. |
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| 21:16.59 | johnfg | I've followed some instructions, but am still not succeeding. |
| 21:17.10 | johnfg | volter: Are you using systemd? |
| 21:17.13 | volter | Yes |
| 21:19.10 | johnfg | Here's the relevant part of the error from journalctl: http://dpaste.com/0RQ5EFQ |
| 21:19.36 | johnfg | Would you be able to paste your x11vnc.service script? |
| 21:19.42 | volter | That's a problem with your x session. |
| 21:19.49 | volter | Yes |
| 21:19.56 | volter | Which version of Debian is that? |
| 21:20.23 | johnfg | stretch |
| 21:20.43 | volter | Yes, we had exactly this issue there. |
| 21:20.57 | volter | You basically need a "User" in the unit file. |
| 21:21.02 | volter | Which is not root |
| 21:21.04 | johnfg | volter: But, it's a general x11vnc server for linux question. |
| 21:21.20 | volter | Let me VPN that file for you. |
| 21:21.33 | johnfg | volter: Okay, and thanks for helping! |
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| 21:23.59 | volter | johnfg: It's like I said: Just add "User=<the_user_with_the_x_session>" in the Service section. |
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| 21:25.51 | volter | https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/U4ApPYvnSnIwDSBt0GPKrw |
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| 21:29.02 | johnfg | volter: So, that's done, and am rebooting that system. |
| 21:29.29 | johnfg | If I wanted more than one user (myself), are they just separated by space, comma, or what? |
| 21:30.00 | volter | That's the system user the process runs at. There can only be one. |
| 21:34.34 | johnfg | volter: Not there yet, but maybe closer. Did your line 9 in the paste get truncated (ellipsis at the end)? |
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| 21:35.54 | volter | Yes, that was just symbolic. |
| 21:36.20 | volter | I thought you had something working. |
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| 21:37.43 | volter | ExecStart=/usr/bin/x11vnc -auth guess -forever -loop -noxdamage -repeat -rfbauth /etc/x11vnc.pass -rfbport 5900 -shared -display :0 |
| 21:37.45 | johnfg | volter: I had a complete script, without the User=myuser. |
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| 21:39.25 | johnfg | volter: I didn't have anything after my -shared, so rebooting now to see if that addition helps. |
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| 21:44.43 | johnfg | -auth guess: failed for display=':0' |
| 21:45.04 | johnfg | btw...i'm running gnome3 for my DE, and gdm. |
| 21:45.14 | johnfg | volter: How about you? |
| 21:45.24 | volter | Should be the same |
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| 21:57.04 | johnfg | volter: btw...is there a cmd to trim files that are accessed by journalctl? |
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| 21:59.07 | volter | I don't understand the question. |
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| 21:59.27 | volter | "files accessed by journalctl"? |
| 21:59.34 | volter | You mean sections of the Journal? |
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| 22:08.23 | johnfg | volter: Yup, sorry for the inaccuracy. |
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| 22:12.42 | volter | I'm not sure if you can delete anything _specific_ from the journal easily. If so, I haven't come across it yet. |
| 22:13.21 | volter | Are you just concerned about the size or the content? |
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| 22:15.46 | Kelsar | volter: you can't that is the whole point of the endless log |
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| 22:15.57 | Kelsar | johnfg: ^ |
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| 22:58.12 | vlt | Hello. After a recent kernel update I can reproduce OOMs (that I didn't get before). Can someone please have a look and tell me if there's something suspicious? http://termbin.com/sx3y |
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| 23:25.07 | vlt | The command I run to reproduce this is `pv /dev/zero > /dev/mapper/some_vg/some_lv`. |
| 23:25.35 | vlt | I'll try an older kernel now ... |
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| 23:46.41 | vlt | I might have found one config difference compared to the last boot of this machine and I'll take this to ##xen. |
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