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| 02:14.51 | xz | is debian stretch 9.3 latest stable release? (dec 2017) |
| 02:15.20 | klys | xz, debian 9.4 was released today. |
| 02:15.27 | xz | klys thanks! |
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| 02:28.07 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.4 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.10 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 02:28.20 | themill | (9.3->9.4 in topic) |
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| 02:30.17 | Devastator | is this just a security release or there are major changes? |
| 02:31.21 | themill | !9.4 |
| 02:31.21 | dpkg | Debian 9.4 was released on Mar 10, 2018. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at https://www.debian.org/News/2018/20180310 and http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 03:54.35 | CannedSpinach | trying to do a netinstall on a ThinkPad X60 and the network is unconfigurable. somehow not getting a signal via ethernet. is this normal? |
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| 03:57.12 | somiaj | CannedSpinach: what network card? wired or wireless? |
| 03:57.33 | CannedSpinach | Intel® 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 03:57.34 | CannedSpinach | wired |
| 03:57.44 | CannedSpinach | it should be using the e1000e kernel module |
| 03:58.07 | CannedSpinach | but for some reason after `modprobe e1000e` I still can't ping |
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| 03:59.26 | Devastator | themill thank you, sorry for the late response |
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| 03:59.54 | themill | np |
| 04:00.42 | CannedSpinach | I had this same laptop get internet earlier on a live LXDE session |
| 04:00.49 | CannedSpinach | so the ethernet controller isn't broken |
| 04:01.14 | somiaj | yea unsure why the netinstall isn't working for that card. |
| 04:01.29 | CannedSpinach | is there anything in the core tools I can try? |
| 04:02.01 | themill | does the stretch kernel support that hardware? |
| 04:03.09 | CannedSpinach | idk how to tell |
| 04:03.16 | somiaj | CannedSpinach: what live system did it work on? |
| 04:03.25 | CannedSpinach | Debian LXDE |
| 04:03.35 | CannedSpinach | also Debian Cinnamon |
| 04:03.39 | CannedSpinach | I had internet connections on both |
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| 04:03.54 | themill | desktop environments are particular relevant, release names are |
| 04:03.57 | Tom-_ | does the link light for your ethernet card turn on after you plug in it? |
| 04:04.37 | CannedSpinach | Tom-_: no |
| 04:04.58 | CannedSpinach | all of the live sessions were on 9.3.0 |
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| 04:05.18 | CannedSpinach | 9.3.0-i386 |
| 04:05.47 | Tom-_ | can you use the live LXDE session to install if that one works? :) |
| 04:06.10 | somiaj | The light on the ethernet card should turn on if you have a connection despite the os, could it be the wire or connection you are using went loose since you tested with the live iamges. |
| 04:06.19 | somiaj | I don't see why the live image kernel would work and the netinstall kernel not. |
| 04:06.26 | somiaj | (since they were both 9.3) |
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| 04:07.01 | CannedSpinach | Tom-_: theoretically but I would prefer to build this system from the ground up if possible |
| 04:07.30 | CannedSpinach | the hardware is REALLY outdated so I'm trying to exert fine control over what's actually on it |
| 04:07.47 | Tom-_ | okay, just don't select [*] Desktop environment on install |
| 04:07.54 | Tom-_ | and then netinstall will be the same as cinnamon |
| 04:09.14 | CannedSpinach | Tom-_: I'm gonna try to install wireless firmware via USB first, that's my plan B |
| 04:09.31 | CannedSpinach | I am very confused about the light not turning on though |
| 04:09.48 | CannedSpinach | will have to investigate more when I have an ethernet cable free to try |
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| 04:11.44 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 04:11.44 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 04:12.06 | dvs | wondering why that didn't come up earlier |
| 04:12.07 | somiaj | CannedSpinach: there are netinstallers with non-free firmware on them. Though I think you have some issue going on with the wired connection. |
| 04:12.19 | somiaj | first time wireless was mentioned, a wired card shoudln't need that. |
| 04:13.05 | Devastator | can you get the vendor id and device id? |
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| 04:13.29 | Devastator | maybe judd can answer which module should be loaded for it to work.. |
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| 04:13.53 | Devastator | I don't recall if judd mention the need of firmwares though.. |
| 04:14.36 | somiaj | I think the issue is on the network/wire being used, since the light on the network card is no longer turning on. But maybe firwmare image + wireless will get things working and avoid the whole issue |
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| 04:16.31 | CannedSpinach | somiaj: that's what I'm thinking. I don't really _need_ ethernet ports on this laptop anyway, but it is annoying knowing that there's an issue. |
| 04:16.42 | CannedSpinach | I'm hoping the problem is the wire. |
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| 04:17.03 | somiaj | that is my best guess for what it is worth, the kernel on the netinstall and live image should be the same. |
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| 04:17.23 | somiaj | (well the live one may have modifications to be a live kernel, but I doubt this would affect the ethernet modules) |
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| 04:18.27 | Tom-_ | i don't know what the problem is, but if you don't get a link light (*not* just an activity light) it's just not connected... |
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| 04:19.48 | CannedSpinach | well I installed the wifi firmware |
| 04:19.54 | CannedSpinach | what tool do I use to connect to a network? |
| 04:20.40 | somiaj | for wireless iw and ip, maybe wpa_supplicant |
| 04:21.04 | somiaj | I usually use the interfaces file for this, and you'll have to unload and reload the wireless module. |
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| 04:21.33 | CannedSpinach | somiaj: is there a guide somewhere I can read? |
| 04:21.47 | CannedSpinach | iw gives command not found, ip is available |
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| 04:26.13 | Tom-_ | !man interfaces |
| 04:26.13 | dpkg | man interfaces is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/interfaces where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 04:26.40 | dvs | CannedSpinach, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
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| 04:28.07 | somiaj | CannedSpinach: unsure if just downloading the unoffical firmware image and letting it work its magic would be easier for you than trying to manually configure your network. |
| 04:28.29 | CannedSpinach | confirmed the problem, it was the cable |
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| 04:28.34 | CannedSpinach | plugged in another ethernet cable and it worked |
| 04:28.43 | CannedSpinach | thing was just a cheap POS |
| 04:28.46 | CannedSpinach | lifespan: 2 days |
| 04:29.04 | CannedSpinach | time to leave a horrible review on amazon |
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| 04:31.23 | Tom-_ | good job, somiaj :) |
| 04:31.31 | Tom-_ | !next |
| 04:31.31 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 04:31.55 | dvs | hasn't left yet! |
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| 04:33.09 | themill | ah, the value of a blinkenlight |
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| 04:35.35 | dvs | that darn 12:00! |
| 04:37.23 | CannedSpinach | I'll be in here until I have a ThinkPad with internet :) |
| 04:37.49 | dvs | oh noes! |
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| 05:00.45 | noahmg123 | I'm booted into the latest testing live iso and the installer is missing |
| 05:01.19 | somiaj | noahmg123: is your goal to install testing? |
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| 05:01.50 | noahmg123 | somiaj: yes it is |
| 05:02.23 | hesperaux_ | hello - noob question: where can I find documentation on how to install newer (beta?) versions of only specific packages? |
| 05:02.35 | somiaj | usually one doesn't install testing with the testing installer. The stable installer to install a minimial system, upgrade minimial system, install rest of software. |
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| 05:02.45 | somiaj | noahmg123: and in the future testing support is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 05:03.03 | somiaj | !tell hesperaux_ about ssb |
| 05:03.32 | somiaj | hesperaux_: in general you have to compile the software, or build a custom package, which takes a bit more work than just 'installing a package'. |
| 05:03.56 | somiaj | hesperaux_: sometimes backports are made, and stretch-backports will have time, and how easy/hard this is can depend on the software in question. |
| 05:04.02 | noahmg123 | somiaj: ok, how would I do the final two steps (upgrade and install test of software)? |
| 05:04.36 | hesperaux_ | somiaj, thanks for the info. Yeah, these are some qt5 libs...so that might be a pain. I'll look into it and see how bad it looks |
| 05:05.31 | somiaj | noahmg123: Are you sure you want to be running testing, knowing things like this and how debian works makes testing way easier to deal with. But in general you change 'stretch' to 'buster' in your sources.list and dist-upgrade, and then you install softare with apt, aptitude, tasksel just like you normally would after the upgrade. |
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| 05:05.55 | somiaj | hesperaux_: my 2 cents for what it is worth, I would not upgrade the qt libs in stable, esicpically if you use software that depends on them. |
| 05:06.21 | hesperaux_ | yeah, it sounds like a headache. libstdc++6 is also among them =\ |
| 05:06.46 | hesperaux_ | it's a paid-for package that I'm trying to install, so I can't recompile that. However, I will check to see if they have archive versions available |
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| 05:07.43 | somiaj | hesperaux_: maybe run testing in a vm, but I don't see an easy way to get newer qt libs in stable without basically chaging a lot of the core libs for qt packages. |
| 05:08.03 | noahmg123 | somiaj: ok. Thank you. Also, how would install the stable version? I've done this before with a live stable iso and the installer was missing as well. |
| 05:08.18 | hesperaux_ | yep - and this wouldn't do me any good in a VM (package is Synergy, a keyboard/mouse network sharing tool) |
| 05:08.37 | hesperaux_ | not willing to run testing for the whole thing. I might be stuck cuz they don't seem to have archived versions either |
| 05:08.51 | somiaj | noahmg123: I suggest using the offical isntaller, but in the live images, the installer inside the live image had issues, the installer is still on the live image, but you have to boot into the isntaller directly at the boot prompt (you cannot install form inside the live image) |
| 05:09.14 | hesperaux_ | frankly, I want to be productive with my work rather than spend hours on this; so I think i'll give up. thanks for the advice/tips somiaj |
| 05:09.49 | somiaj | hesperaux_: Smart, I stick to stable for that reason too. There are drawbacks (older software), but it all works. |
| 05:10.46 | noahmg123 | somiaj: ah ok, also, I don't have any boot medium so I'm booting from ISOs, but this requires extra GRUB configuration and I haven't been able to get it to work completely with general installation ISOs. |
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| 05:11.11 | hesperaux_ | somiaj, I used to use gentoo when I was a teenager. :) I learned that productivity is more fun than fixing the system all the time lol |
| 05:11.22 | somiaj | hesperaux_: I ran sid for 10+ years |
| 05:11.43 | somiaj | now I am happly on stable and glad to not have to fix thigns so often. |
| 05:12.03 | somiaj | noahmg123: you can skip the grub stage and just manually do that to fit your needs. The installer enviorment is minimial though. |
| 05:12.51 | noahmg123 | somiaj: how do I skip the grub stage? |
| 05:13.06 | somiaj | noahmg123: at the very end it asks where you want to install grub, just skip it. |
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| 05:13.42 | somiaj | if you use the expert mode you have a bit more control to skip steps. |
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| 05:14.43 | noahmg123 | somiaj: no, I mean, I want GRUB. I have GRUB. But I don't have a USB stick, so in order to even boot the Debian installer I need to point GRUB to the iso. |
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| 05:15.26 | somiaj | noahmg123: ahh, I missed that. Do you have a cd you can burn or an os on that machine? |
| 05:15.53 | somiaj | anyways, there are other methods to install that are more manual, but they do require some comfort with the command line. |
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| 05:16.42 | noahmg123 | somiaj: no, and I've gotten the net install image to boot, but I'm having trouble letting it see the rest of the filesystem of the ISO. |
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| 05:17.49 | somiaj | noahmg123: I don't know what is best here, the debian .iso's are a bit picky (due to their hybrid nature) and I"m unsure the best way to get chaning loading (pointing at the iso) to work correctly with the debian images. |
| 05:18.08 | somiaj | but if you can get into the live system and installd debootstrap, you could do a manual install. |
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| 05:18.45 | noahmg123 | somiaj: I'm in the live system right now. The testing one. |
| 05:18.48 | CannedSpinach | I am not even getting an option to put firmware on this machine |
| 05:18.59 | CannedSpinach | it goes straight to asking me for a network name |
| 05:19.12 | CannedSpinach | and of course fails to connect because the firmware isn't installed |
| 05:19.49 | Tom-_ | is that a debconf option, to ask for firmware, in the installer? |
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| 05:19.51 | Tom-_ | !firmware |
| 05:19.51 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 05:20.08 | Tom-_ | !installer firmware |
| 05:20.09 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 05:20.13 | CannedSpinach | I'm using a firmware installer image |
| 05:20.16 | somiaj | CannedSpinach: the firmware needs to be on a seperate usb stick during the install. I would just download the unoffical firmware image and use that to avoid having to provide it. |
| 05:20.26 | mk__ | br? |
| 05:20.28 | somiaj | then y ou shouldn't have to do anything, it should be loading the modules. |
| 05:20.59 | somiaj | noahmg123: I don't know a way to launch the installer, only thing I could do from that setup would be debootstrap and a manual install. |
| 05:21.27 | mk__ | algum br nessa porra? |
| 05:21.49 | noahmg123 | somiaj: ok, can you walk me through that, please? |
| 05:22.32 | mk__ | ok é o caralho |
| 05:24.08 | somiaj | noahmg123: it takes a bit of work, https://forum.openmediavault.org/index.php/Thread/12070-GUIDE-DEBOOTSTRAP-Installing-Debian-into-a-folder-in-a-running-system/ -- you can replace wheezy with the debian verison you are going to install, that guide seems to cover the basics. |
| 05:24.40 | CannedSpinach | somiaj: for whatever reason the key exchange with the wireless network fails. |
| 05:25.17 | CannedSpinach | I double checked the network name/passphrase three times. I don't think that's the problem. |
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| 05:25.31 | somiaj | hmm, unsure about that, I don't do much with wireless |
| 05:25.49 | noahmg123 | CannedSpinach: is this with the installer? |
| 05:26.07 | CannedSpinach | noahmg123: yes. |
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| 05:26.22 | noahmg123 | somiaj: hm, actually, where on the iso is the kernal and vmlinuz for the installer? |
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| 05:27.24 | noahmg123 | CannedSpinach: I had that once, I think the solution was to copy some nonfree drivers onto the installation medium. Either that or use the nonfree installer image. |
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| 05:29.02 | CannedSpinach | noahmg123: I am using the nonfree installer image. |
| 05:29.30 | noahmg123 | somiaj: nm I found the solution |
| 05:29.50 | noahmg123 | CannedSpinach: did you Google the error? That's how I found my solution |
| 05:30.39 | CannedSpinach | noahmg123: the error seems rather generic |
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| 05:31.30 | noahmg123 | CannedSpinach: just put quotes around it in the Google search, that's what I did |
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| 05:32.33 | somiaj | CannedSpinach: you checked dmesg | grep firmware and see that the firmware is correctly loaded, maybe check dmesg for other errors. Do you know what type of network this is? |
| 05:33.11 | CannedSpinach | no, I don't |
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| 05:33.34 | CannedSpinach | would it be worth it just to load up connman.deb on a USB and transfer that? |
| 05:36.15 | mnuhmnuh | CannedSpinach: the installer will ask if you've any other sources to offer during install. tell it your usbkey. |
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| 05:36.35 | CannedSpinach | mnuhmnuh: at what point is the installer supposed to ask this? |
| 05:37.17 | alkisg | What is your network card's usb or pci id? |
| 05:37.38 | mnuhmnuh | CannedSpinach: it's hard to miss when it asks. |
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| 05:38.22 | mnuhmnuh | lspci | grep -i network |
| 05:39.27 | mpo | Which is the correct driver for a Sun NIC 375-3481? |
| 05:40.01 | noahmg123 | somiaj: ok, I'm running up against the "no common CD-ROM drive was detected" error. My computer doesn't have a CD drive, but it won't let me skip this step. |
| 05:40.13 | CannedSpinach | mnuhmnuh: 3945ABG |
| 05:40.20 | CannedSpinach | mnuhmnuh: I put a lot of info about this problem earlier in the chat |
| 05:41.09 | mnuhmnuh | CannedSpinach: i just drop in from time to time, trying to help if i can. |
| 05:41.45 | somiaj | noahmg123: as I said eariler, due to the hybrid nature of the .iso's you have to be careful on how you boot them. |
| 05:42.23 | somiaj | noahmg123: I'm unsure the best approach to go if you cannot boot from a usb or cdrom with the installer. debootstrap might work, also there is what is know as the flexiable method, maybe you could create a new file system using syslinux and boot it that way. |
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| 05:44.04 | noahmg123 | somiaj: I am booting them straight from the grub.cfg file this time. And maybe I could find a spare USB somewhere, but I still don't get why it's throwing the CD error. I even went back to the netinstall image and it still looks for a CD |
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| 05:46.12 | edina | Hi! I have jsut accepted an update (Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2) and startx no more works. I tried to install lightdm, this one starts, but after getting a blank screen I am returned to it. I also reinstalled xorg, no help. Can somebody suggest something? |
| 05:47.18 | CannedSpinach | I've resolved to just try installing networking tools by moving .deb files over on USB on my minimal core system |
| 05:47.44 | CannedSpinach | what's ironic is that in a few days I'll be receiving a new wifi card with libre drivers |
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| 05:47.53 | CannedSpinach | which might render this whole situation needless |
| 05:47.55 | somiaj | noahmg123: the hybrid images are configured to boot both efi/legacy boot, along with this they are configured to boot both on cdrom images and usb drivers in various formats, and so the installer just treates itself as a cdrom. Due to all of this, botting the iso's in a non standard way like you are doing causes problems, usually with it finding the cdrom. |
| 05:48.45 | mnuhmnuh | edina: that sucks. you shouldn't need any *dm if startx works. |
| 05:49.56 | somiaj | edina: what video card/drivers were you using? |
| 05:50.05 | noahmg123 | somiaj: ok that sounds fair. I may be able to still use it, if I can just get the ash shell to mount stuff. Do you have experience with using ash (the installer's built-in shell)? |
| 05:50.25 | alkisg | edina, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 05:51.11 | somiaj | noahmg123: not really, I would just use debootstrap in your situation and avoid messign with the installer. |
| 05:51.12 | mnuhmnuh | edina: suggest "apt remove lightdm" and then "startx 2> ~/x.err" or sumfin. |
| 05:51.38 | somiaj | mnuhmnuh: removing lightdm is probably not the best approach, but startx is a good way to debug. |
| 05:52.01 | noahmg123 | somiaj: is debootstrap an official debain thing? Or not really? |
| 05:52.25 | somiaj | yes it is a debian thing, it is a script which downloads a base system and installs it to a directory on your system. |
| 05:52.34 | alkisg | mnuhmnuh: note he said "startx NO longer works" |
| 05:52.54 | somiaj | after that you then have to make it install a kernel, setup fstab, make it bootable, which boils down to a manual isntall. |
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| 05:53.40 | mnuhmnuh | alkisg: note i said ... 2> x.err? |
| 05:53.50 | awal1 | yersinia gtk interface hangs almost forever here. any suggestion? |
| 05:54.04 | alkisg | mnuhmnuh: I mentioned that because of (07:48:45 Ïμ) mnuhmnuh: edina: that sucks. you shouldn't need any *dm if startx works. |
| 05:54.15 | alkisg | mnuhmnuh: no worries, let's move on :) |
| 05:55.26 | CannedSpinach | giving up for tonight. thanks to everyone who helped. :) |
| 05:56.15 | edina | mnuhmnuh: https://pastebin.com/yHQLUYFp |
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| 05:59.43 | edina | alkisg: https://pastebin.com/wPPRFgdt |
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| 06:02.11 | noahmg123 | somiaj: I mean, is from the people who make Debian? Or is it a third party thing? |
| 06:02.26 | alkisg | edina: I don't see a xorg issue there; are you trying startx as root or as a user? Does plain `xinit` work instead of startx? |
| 06:02.42 | somiaj | noahmg123: I would say the people who make debian, it is used a lot by debian developers. |
| 06:02.51 | mnuhmnuh | edina: crap. wtf? thinking ... ah, of course, nvidia! rasafrackin, jiggafrigga, kroshnit. it's fixable, but i'm now one who knows how. |
| 06:03.11 | mnuhmnuh | s/now/not/ |
| 06:04.01 | edina | alkisg: I have tried as root too. I will try xinit in a minute. |
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| 06:04.31 | noahmg123 | somiaj: fair enough. there's one more thing I'm going to try and if that doesn't work, I may try it. See, the thing is, I'm home for spring break from college and I left my USB drives in my dorm room (I also don't have a way of getting back there quickly or easily) |
| 06:04.36 | mnuhmnuh | edina: don't login to x as root. bad. |
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| 06:07.01 | edina | alkisg: xinit causes: Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0 |
| 06:07.38 | alkisg | edina: well, close the existing server? :) |
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| 06:07.48 | alkisg | If you're running the display manager, stop it... |
| 06:08.03 | alkisg | E.g. systemctl stop lightdm or whatever you have |
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| 06:10.23 | edina_ | alkisg: ok, I stopped it, now xinit created a small white background console like thing in the top left corner. It seems it is freezed. |
| 06:10.39 | alkisg | edina_: it's an xterm. Move the mouse over it and type. |
| 06:11.22 | alkisg | edina_: so from what I gather, you either don't have a session or you have a problem for the particular user that you're trying; i.e. it's not a xorg issue |
| 06:11.23 | edina_ | alkisg: ok, i did not thought that mouse works in this stage |
| 06:12.01 | alkisg | edina_: are you using an xsession? Do you have anything in /usr/share/xsessions? |
| 06:12.09 | edina_ | alkisg: looking for some solution I removed .Xauthority. Maybe this is a problem? |
| 06:12.17 | alkisg | No, it's regenerated |
| 06:12.32 | alkisg | But, having root-owned files inside your home dir can cause issues |
| 06:12.44 | alkisg | As the user, try: find . ! -uid $(id -u) |
| 06:14.16 | edina_ | alkisg: if the current directory should be the home, the above command returns nothing |
| 06:14.36 | alkisg | Right; so it's not a permissions issue. What about /usr/share/xsessions? |
| 06:14.57 | edina_ | alkisg: /usr/share/xsessions contains lightdm-xsession.desktop |
| 06:14.58 | alkisg | ls /usr/share/xsessions |
| 06:15.19 | alkisg | Did you try `xinit` as the user, or as root? |
| 06:15.22 | edina_ | as root |
| 06:15.33 | alkisg | Can you try it as the user too? |
| 06:16.07 | alkisg | And, what's the output of: grep ^Exec /usr/share/xsessions/lightdm-xsession.desktop |
| 06:16.26 | alkisg | I.e. what is your xsession actually running? To try to manually run it under that xterm. |
| 06:17.18 | edina_ | xinit: ...cannot open /dev/tty0 permission denied |
| 06:17.40 | alkisg | OK never mind; what's the output of that grep command? |
| 06:17.40 | edina_ | connection refused |
| 06:18.32 | edina_ | Exec=default |
| 06:19.32 | edina_ | the xterm is already exited. should i reopen it as root? |
| 06:19.58 | alkisg | Where are you defining your startup programs? |
| 06:20.09 | alkisg | Usually nowadays, a session.desktop is provided |
| 06:20.25 | alkisg | And the display manager executes the Exec line of that .desktop |
| 06:20.46 | Tom-_ | edina_, if you get that error you're probably not running startx as root |
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| 06:21.51 | edina_ | i do not know much about startup programs. these are started automatically after login? |
| 06:22.19 | alkisg | edina_: normally, people have a desktop environment, and this provides the automatic list of programs |
| 06:22.36 | alkisg | Did you ever install xfce or lxde or gnome or mate etc? |
| 06:23.08 | alkisg | Even `openbox` would do, it does provide a session.desktop to run a few programs on login... |
| 06:24.27 | edina_ | no. maybe i have checked gnome when installing debian. and today, I installed gdm3 with aptitude, because apt-get did not want, and read that maybe reinstalling this, gnome, gnome-shell will solve the problem |
| 06:25.22 | alkisg | edina_: so if I understand you correctly, you do want a desktop environment, but you somehow ended up not having one. Well, just install one with apt-get... |
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| 06:26.25 | edina_ | but i had gnome. today debian offered an update, something with bug reporting, restarted, and i have only a console |
| 06:26.48 | alkisg | edina_: when you removed xorg, you possible removed gnome too, because it needed xorg as a dependency |
| 06:26.55 | alkisg | Then when you reinstalled xorg, it did NOT reinstall gnome |
| 06:26.59 | alkisg | *possibly |
| 06:27.13 | alkisg | We can tell if you pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 06:27.48 | alkisg | E.g.: cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 06:29.27 | edina_ | http://termbin.com/nj4y |
| 06:31.08 | alkisg | edina_: ok, you didn't remove xorg, you reinstalled it, all good there, but |
| 06:31.18 | Devastator | yep, apt-get autoremove removed gnome hehe |
| 06:32.11 | alkisg | edina_: at some point before that log, you removed some essential package, and then autoremove, removed gnome |
| 06:32.25 | alkisg | edina_: so that's the base of the problem; you no longer have gnome; so reinstall it |
| 06:32.34 | edina_ | apt-get install gnome? |
| 06:33.32 | alkisg | I'm not using gnome, but yeah that sounds fine |
| 06:33.54 | edina_ | but even before that existed the problem. autoremove was just part of some commands i have found and thought it would help. anyway, i reinstall it if it is missing |
| 06:34.33 | alkisg | Well, if you do have a second issue there, we'll get to it after the first major issue is solved.. |
| 06:37.26 | edina_ | sorry, until today i was able to install things without problem. can you help with this: http://termbin.com/oxrn |
| 06:37.50 | alkisg | try apt-get update; aptitude install gnome |
| 06:38.02 | alkisg | aptitude is more verbose it its errors, and since you already have it installed... |
| 06:38.07 | alkisg | *in |
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| 06:39.40 | edina_ | aptitude want to leave some gnome related dependencies unresolved. i create a pastebin |
| 06:40.01 | Devastator | edina_ if possible, can you pastebin /etc/debian_version? |
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| 06:40.57 | edina_ | aptitude http://termbin.com/hnxx |
| 06:41.09 | edina_ | version http://termbin.com/fwn6 |
| 06:41.25 | edina_ | should i type yes for aptitude? |
| 06:42.06 | themill | oh yay, dmo packages ftl |
| 06:43.11 | alkisg | edina_: what's the output of `apt policy libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0` ? |
| 06:43.16 | Devastator | dmo packages comes from..?! |
| 06:43.28 | themill | deb-multimedia.org |
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| 06:43.36 | Devastator | ugh |
| 06:43.46 | Devastator | !debian-multimedia |
| 06:43.46 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 06:45.44 | alkisg | edina_: in other words, when you installed that libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0, it broke gnome... and now you need to revert it to its stock version, and remove the bad source from your list of sources |
| 06:46.35 | alkisg | dpkg -l | grep dmo => may help in locating additional bad packages |
| 06:46.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep dmo => may help in locating additional bad packages |
| 06:46.46 | alkisg | Heh, ok :D |
| 06:48.54 | edina_ | dpkg -l | grep dmo fills my screen |
| 06:48.54 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep dmo fills my screen |
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| 06:49.33 | Devastator | !dmm list |
| 06:49.33 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>. |
| 06:49.37 | edina_ | i commented out deb-multimedia.org in sources.list |
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| 06:50.20 | Devastator | edina_ see what dpkg said: To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>. |
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| 06:51.29 | Devastator | so I would: 1- uncomment 'deb' line for deb-multimedia.org in sources.list, 2- apt-get update, 3- aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p |
| 06:51.51 | Devastator | then 4- apt-get remove whatever it shows |
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| 06:52.51 | themill | or at this stage, "aptitude search ~Vdmo~i" should work |
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| 06:53.43 | edina | Devastator: that command gives a long list. what should i do? |
| 06:54.01 | Devastator | edina pastebin it please |
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| 06:54.40 | edina | ttp://termbin.com/m33k |
| 06:55.49 | edina | http://termbin.com/m33k |
| 06:55.51 | Devastator | themill what do you think doctor? apt-get remove audacity vlc ffmpeg mpv and see what is left? |
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| 06:57.42 | themill | the catch is that removing these things is likely to make a pretty big mess. I'd be tempted to try pinning stable at 1001 and seeing if we can get apt to downgrade those packages. |
| 06:58.58 | themill | wonders what draws people to dmo these days |
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| 07:00.18 | edina | i probably needed a package and followed some stackexchange answer to get it... |
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| 07:04.09 | alkisg | themill: that's a neat trick, thank you :) |
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| 07:09.14 | edina | so i should do this pinning whatever is it? |
| 07:09.48 | alkisg | edina: yes, a small testing here shows that it's a very good way to downgrade all packages to the debian stock versions |
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| 07:11.24 | alkisg | I tested in an Ubuntu VM of mine, and it allowed me to downgrade packages to the stock Ubuntu versions, instead of their higher versions that I had from a PPA. |
| 07:11.45 | edina | ok. i will do but i need some concrete commands how to do it. |
| 07:12.35 | edina | by the way, may i ask whetheryour knowledge guys is related to your job, or you just learned? :) |
| 07:12.42 | alkisg | Try creating /etc/apt/preferences.d/priority-debian, with contents: |
| 07:12.42 | alkisg | Package: * <enter>Pin: release o=Debian <enter>Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 07:13.00 | alkisg | Then just try apt-get dist-upgrade, and see what it tells you to do, and pastebin before pressing yes/no |
| 07:13.12 | alkisg | (press enter where I wrote <enter>, of course) |
| 07:15.51 | alkisg | (or you could also start by trying `apt-get install gnome`) |
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| 07:17.08 | edina | http://termbin.com/w7dm |
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| 07:17.27 | alkisg | edina: seems fine, proceed |
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| 07:17.55 | alkisg | After it's finished, try again dpkg -l | grep dmo, and see if all those are gone. Then remove the priority file to get back to default priorities. |
| 07:18.24 | alkisg | (actually, then install gnome before removing the priorities file) |
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| 07:19.20 | edina | dpkg -l | grep dmo reports a smaller list: http://termbin.com/f1ri |
| 07:19.20 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep dmo reports a smaller list: http://termbin.com/f1ri |
| 07:20.06 | alkisg | edina: install gnome first, then if you want you may remove those dmo packages as they're not offered by debian repositories anyway |
| 07:21.57 | edina | intall gnome: http://termbin.com/2tzkv |
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| 07:22.15 | alkisg | edina: go on |
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| 07:24.48 | edina | done |
| 07:25.09 | alkisg | edina: run an apt autoremove, then remove the priorities file |
| 07:25.16 | alkisg | Finally, dpkg -l | grep dmo again, and pastebin |
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| 07:25.55 | edina | it reports 4 packages |
| 07:26.06 | edina | sorry, pryoritis not removes |
| 07:26.08 | edina | d |
| 07:26.34 | alkisg | OK, apt purge those 4 packages , remove the priorities file, and reboot the system |
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| 07:30.07 | edina | is it necessary? the first is flashplayer-chromium. i installed it, because i am subscribed for some curse, and they still use flash. or its dependencies are probably already removed? |
| 07:30.26 | alkisg | You can keep it if you want |
| 07:30.34 | alkisg | It wasn't autoremoved so its dependencies are ok |
| 07:31.32 | edina | http://termbin.com/z237o |
| 07:31.47 | alkisg | You can purge the "rc" packages |
| 07:32.01 | alkisg | apt purge libilbc2 libvidstab1.0 |
| 07:32.11 | edina | i do not know whether flash player will work after this. if not, and i now remove the priority file, can i still remove these packages |
| 07:32.14 | edina | ? |
| 07:32.15 | alkisg | rc means "removed but not purged, the etc configuration files are still there" |
| 07:32.28 | edina | ok |
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| 07:34.15 | edina | remove priorities and restart? |
| 07:34.20 | alkisg | Yup |
| 07:36.36 | edina | succes :) and the flash player works too |
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| 07:38.14 | alkisg | !next |
| 07:38.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 07:38.18 | alkisg | :D |
| 07:38.24 | edina | so the problem was that i added deb-multimedia to the sources? |
| 07:38.27 | alkisg | Yes |
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| 07:39.24 | edina | i needed probably because the flash player. in such cases may be a solution to add temporarily, just to install what is needed, than remove from the sources.list? |
| 07:40.27 | alkisg | https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 07:40.33 | alkisg | Why not just follow the instructions? |
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| 07:42.08 | edina | i will do this next time |
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| 07:42.31 | edina | Thank you all your efforts and time. |
| 07:42.36 | alkisg | np |
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| 07:52.48 | edina | i want to understand better. why want aptitude leave dependencies unmet when i want to install gnome? you mentioned a broken package. this was the only cause? |
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| 07:54.46 | alkisg | edina: the package provided by deb-multimedia had a higher version that the one that gnome needed. apt and aptitude normally refuse to downgrade packages in order to install others like gnome |
| 07:56.36 | edina | ok, thank you. |
| 07:56.48 | alkisg | themill: is there any way to say "Pin: origin NOT now; Pin-Priority=1001", to tell apt that everything in any origin may downgrade the already installed packages? |
| 07:57.05 | alkisg | (or anyone else that knows a lot about apt priorities ^ :)) |
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| 07:57.21 | themill | not that I know of |
| 07:57.24 | alkisg | ty |
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| 08:04.03 | alkisg | themill, got it! Package: *; Pin: origin *; Pin-Priority: 1000 ==> "now" doesn't have an origin, so it doesn't match that |
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| 08:09.31 | alkisg | *1001 |
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| 09:11.48 | cujotus | to new bug explorers, just create another addon what fixes the bug :) |
| 09:12.12 | Walakea | When i plug my headphones into the audio jack connector on my laptop the audio sounds as if it was plugged in just halfway, i noticed that recently the audio (through audio jack) sometimes muted and i had to connect headphones again, now it just sounds bad. Is this a hardware problem? I am using Pulse audio. |
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| 09:12.51 | cujotus | just suggestion |
| 09:13.50 | hypn0 | looks like heaphone, clean the connector? Walakea |
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| 09:15.02 | Walakea | hypn0: i tried two different headphones as well as plugging them into a different device, the problem is on the PC side |
| 09:15.38 | Walakea | also tried looking into the jack output hole, but did not see anything interesting |
| 09:16.28 | hypn0 | could they both be gone? |
| 09:16.52 | Walakea | gone where? |
| 09:17.06 | hypn0 | to heaphone hell? |
| 09:17.30 | Walakea | they sound normal when i plug them into my phone |
| 09:17.41 | DK2 | http://abload.de/image.php?img=reise-zu-den-7-weltwuhsk2n.png |
| 09:17.42 | DK2 | wtf is that? |
| 09:17.51 | DK2 | several i -c i process causing 100% load? |
| 09:18.09 | DK2 | anyone seen this before? |
| 09:18.36 | hypn0 | maybe the socket too Walakea |
| 09:18.57 | hypn0 | I doubt it's the software |
| 09:19.09 | DK2 | killed the process and everythign went back to normal, but still.. |
| 09:19.40 | Walakea | hypn0: me too, now the question is whether i can somehow clean it or something or whether it will have to be replaced (laptop is 2.5 years old) |
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| 09:21.37 | alkisg | Walakea: you may also try asking in #hardware |
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| 09:23.07 | Walakea | alkisg: i knew this was not the proper channel, but did not know better place to ask, thanks |
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| 09:24.10 | jelly | DK2: that looks rather suspicious. Next time run lsof on such a process |
| 09:24.15 | alkisg | np |
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| 09:26.10 | DK2 | jelly will keep it in mind if it comes back thanks |
| 09:27.04 | jelly | since it ran as root your system might have been completely compromised |
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| 09:28.49 | DK2 | authentication is only possible with ssh keys and private accounts.. so i wonder how |
| 09:29.26 | rc202402 | Hi, Hey anybody aware of any good panel config? |
| 09:29.48 | annadane | depends what de/wm |
| 09:30.01 | annadane | i basically just leave my xfce panel alone plus add a few things |
| 09:31.08 | rc202402 | tint2 vs xfce which one might be better? |
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| 09:31.38 | annadane | shrugs |
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| 09:33.09 | bazhang | rc202402, no better, whatever you like |
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| 09:36.56 | rc202402 | Well then I'll go with tint2! ;P |
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| 11:23.37 | chromesy | Hi all, so in the next painful chapter of trying to have a Chromebook that I can plug in different OSes on USB keys (namely Debian and Kali), I have got to the point where I can get live versions working; I have a Debian live USB and a Kali Linux live USB. |
| 11:23.37 | chromesy | Of course the problem with these live OSes is that there is no persistence and, because I need a non-free kernel module to drive my wireless, I find myself having to install it every time I use the OS. |
| 11:23.37 | chromesy | All I want is to install normall Debian to one USB and Kali Linux to another. There have been problems with doing both: Debian 9 gets to a point (the install base system step) where it gives the message "Debootstrap Error: Failed to determine the codename for the release.". Kali Linux keeps insisting that it cannot detect a CD-Rom (of course it cannot on a Chomebook, why is this important anyway?). I never expected such a |
| 11:23.39 | chromesy | basic task to be so difficult. :) |
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| 11:26.31 | Brigo | chromesy, for debian try something like this: https://willhaley.com/blog/install-debian-usb/ |
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| 11:27.49 | chromesy | Brigo: Okay, having a look at that now. |
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| 11:30.35 | chromesy | Brigo: So, it looks like I was just expecting things to work quite simply but, looking at that Will Haley article, it is not so easy. |
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| 11:31.47 | Brigo | chromesy, it seems so. |
| 11:32.22 | Brigo | chromesy, note if you do this way wou will have a line in grub for launching debian, very handy i think. |
| 11:33.00 | chromesy | Brigo: okay, thanks, I'm going to give this a go. ;) |
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| 11:33.27 | Brigo | chromesy, good luck :) |
| 11:33.33 | chromesy | Thanks |
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| 11:40.55 | dka | gpg: requesting key 2649A5A9 from hkp server pgp.mit.edu |
| 11:40.56 | dka | gpgkeys: key A5D32F012649A5A9 can't be retrieved |
| 11:40.59 | dka | How can I solve this? |
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| 11:57.56 | dutchfish | dka, have you considered incorrect time? iow you could use something like this gpg --ignore-time-conflict ? |
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| 13:20.28 | galex-713 | Hi |
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| 13:20.36 | galex-713 | Is there a way to display images to the terminal |
| 13:20.41 | galex-713 | I mean, not the tty, even an xterm |
| 13:20.46 | galex-713 | like konsole or gnome-terminal |
| 13:20.51 | galex-713 | I think Iâve seen this somewhere |
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| 13:20.54 | galex-713 | maybe itâs non-standard |
| 13:21.03 | galex-713 | maybe only with high-level ones like gnome-terminal |
| 13:21.06 | galex-713 | but is there one? |
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| 13:48.47 | hypn0 | I think it's the framebuffer galex-713 https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/33596/no-framebuffer-device-how-to-enable-it I never tried |
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| 14:17.50 | stevendale | Hi |
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| 14:21.35 | sulit | j #risc-v |
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| 14:22.02 | galex-713 | hypn0: I donât think so :/ |
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| 14:31.58 | r3 | galex-713: I thought maybe you wanted something like this: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/asciiart |
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| 15:01.03 | galex-713_ | r3: no |
| 15:01.24 | PhotoJim | assuming #debian-next is the IRC channel for buster (testing), how does one get invited? |
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| 15:02.41 | annadane | PhotoJim, it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:02.44 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 15:02.44 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:03.17 | PhotoJim | annadane: ahh, okay. that will do it :) thanks. |
| 15:03.40 | PhotoJim | I'm on that server, so that makes it simple. |
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| 15:04.50 | PhotoJim | I've migrated a couple of my systems to buster. not critical systems. |
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| 15:05.09 | PhotoJim | a couple of ARM boxes, and a Mac Mini (late 2007). |
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| 15:11.09 | tt | how do i set permanent networking configuration |
| 15:11.25 | tt | so i dont have to do ifup enp3s0 everytime computer boots |
| 15:11.42 | tt | using the "legacy" method native to debian w/o systemd or sntworkmanager |
| 15:12.16 | tt | i have /etc/networki have a "profile" in /etc/network/interfaces.d |
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| 15:12.26 | tt | i want to start it everytime my computer boots |
| 15:12.40 | tt | without having to manually isse ifup <interface> |
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| 15:13.34 | galex-713 | r3: hypn0: apparently both sixel format and something w3m appears being able to use exist, but I donât know how do they work |
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| 15:14.59 | Li | why apt install firefox-esr updates only up v52 while we all know newer version of browser usually released due to security issues |
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| 15:29.44 | abrotman | Li: and patches are backported all the time .. |
| 15:30.34 | Li | abrotman: kindly explain backported to me |
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| 15:31.47 | Li | I've manually downloaded, extracted ffv58 followed a tutorial on placing it in /opt/firefox but then I found the other updated firefox-esr laying in /usr/lib/firefox-esr. |
| 15:31.58 | galex-713 | Li: really? currently Iâm aware of newer versions but only under systems that install the normal firefox instead of the esr (extended support release, ie LTS) version, not esr |
| 15:31.59 | Li | not sure if that is going to break anything on the system |
| 15:33.17 | Li | galex-713: Ok, I think I get then.. I presume firefox-esr would contain those security patches within firefox 58 |
| 15:33.37 | galex-713 | note debian less supports downloading your releases yourself as these are not verified, (bit-per-bit deterministically) built by debian, signed by it and archived with exact correspounding sources (that would help find, at least retrospectively) any backdoor or security problem |
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| 15:34.29 | galex-713 | Li: of course, and even if it didnât, Debian package old versions precisely in the purpose of applying all bugfix patch yet not adding feature in each debian release |
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| 15:34.52 | galex-713 | so you get bugfixes without new untested features potentially shipping new unknown bugs (including security holes) |
| 15:35.20 | galex-713 | so normally either security patches are applied upstream by firefox people, either the debian maintainer shipping firefox in debian applies those |
| 15:35.24 | galex-713 | so youâre safe |
| 15:35.33 | galex-713 | are you worried against spectre? :) |
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| 15:37.36 | Li | galex-713: yes that was one of the many things ... I'm new commer from ubuntu, done with all the breaks on daily bases for brand new installations right after finishing the installation |
| 15:38.02 | galex-713 | I understand x) |
| 15:38.17 | Li | debian seems a little limited to my first impression but it's not a problem if it offer stability "which is what I read about" |
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| 15:38.36 | galex-713 | limited? in what dimension precisely? |
| 15:38.55 | Li | I've tried whereis firefox, locate firefox and debian is like what the heck is that! |
| 15:38.58 | Li | lol |
| 15:39.04 | galex-713 | ah yes |
| 15:39.12 | galex-713 | maybe less stuff is installed by default, youâre right |
| 15:39.34 | galex-713 | if you want again a command like that, try apt search <program>, or install apt-file and then apt-file search <file> |
| 15:39.47 | galex-713 | youâll know from where package you can get these from |
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| 15:40.21 | Li | great info ... thanks galex-713 |
| 15:40.54 | galex-713 | normally debian is pretty complete, it has a lot of packages and I find âbeing packaged under debianâ is pretty much a mark of seriousness, trust and stability for a package (rather than a proof of uncompletness for debian) |
| 15:41.31 | galex-713 | but of course not everything is package, especially some experimental projects, or some really frequently updated software, such as Unity |
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| 15:41.54 | galex-713 | yet now Ubuntu is going to abandon Unity I suppose its development will slow down, be forked, and maybe integrated into debian |
| 15:42.15 | galex-713 | I still miss tribler, ipfs, and all these nice experimental things⦠|
| 15:42.34 | Li | galex-713: do you know if I can use ubuntu-make "umake" to install complete development environment under debian? |
| 15:42.43 | annadane | Li: having two firefoxes will not break debian |
| 15:42.50 | annadane | you just might mix your configuration files |
| 15:43.04 | annadane | and there are ways to avoid that |
| 15:43.11 | Li | annadane: thanks to galex-713 I've droped that ugly idea from my mind |
| 15:43.36 | galex-713 | if installed under its own prefix like opt or usr/local any external installation (especially home made compilation) shouldnât cause that much problem |
| 15:44.01 | galex-713 | the worse is when people add external repositories or install external deb files which could maybe break things |
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| 15:51.35 | Li | the tutorial I followed was made by download bz2 firefox, extract/locate in /opt/firefox then install alacarte to remove the old firefox and replace with the new version |
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| 16:01.48 | psylence | Hey guys. I'm having a bit of trouble with Apt. When I try to install a package from a different releae repository by passing the -t stable argument I get an error saying "The value 'stable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources." |
| 16:01.56 | psylence | I have stable, testing and unstable in my sources |
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| 16:02.34 | annadane | !frankendebian |
| 16:02.34 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 16:02.35 | psylence | my APT::Default-Release is set to "unstable" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/08default-release |
| 16:02.51 | psylence | annadane, this is obviously an issue with Apt. |
| 16:03.02 | psylence | Not packages being incompatible with one another. |
| 16:03.07 | psylence | Please use some critical thinking. |
| 16:03.14 | annadane | stop being rude |
| 16:03.39 | BCMM | my phone isn't working. i ran it over, but i'm pretty sure it's nothing to do with that. |
| 16:03.40 | psylence | Furthermore, it is an unstable release, completely, I just want one package from stable. |
| 16:04.12 | psylence | annadane, you're the one being rude. Who instead of not saying anything if you couldn't be helpful, decided to derail this. |
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| 16:16.32 | psylence | Whatdoes this mean? |
| 16:16.37 | psylence | E: release file for /testing/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 86d 14h 25min 21s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 16:16.51 | psylence | there's a repo address before /testing/InRelease but didn't feel like tpying it. |
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| 16:22.43 | BCMM | !debian-next |
| 16:22.44 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:23.08 | BCMM | (although you'll hear the same thing about the frankendebian setup over there i think) |
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| 16:25.09 | shtrb | What would be the use of such config (/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default-release) ? |
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| 16:53.51 | at0m | psylence: is your system's clock set properly? |
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| 16:59.08 | Guest44905 | Hi there, |
| 16:59.08 | Guest44905 | I was wondering if somebody could help me out. |
| 16:59.08 | Guest44905 | I suck at python but there is something I was wondering if it is possible. |
| 16:59.08 | Guest44905 | Here is what I'd like to do. |
| 16:59.08 | Guest44905 | I would like to change a folders icon with a different picture. |
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| 17:00.00 | BCMM | lol. |
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| 17:01.13 | at0m | irc icon changed with kickhammer |
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| 17:04.16 | BCMM | Guest44905: folder icon as displayed in a filemanager, right? |
| 17:04.47 | goose | I've got a home server which became unresponsive earlier and had to be hard-rebooted. Upon boot and checking the syslog, I found a long line of repeating "^@" characters, maybe 100 or so, without a line break at the end, then the syslog continues from the reboot. There's no errors on the line before the "^@". When I view syslog in 'less' the characters print differently than the rest of the file, as if |
| 17:04.48 | goose | they're highlighted. |
| 17:04.51 | goose | Any idea what happened? |
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| 17:09.36 | jelly | goose: that's just null bytes. |
| 17:09.38 | BCMM | Guest44905: that's controlled by desktop entries, i think. i.e., the .directory file |
| 17:10.21 | jelly | goose: your filesystem got slightly corrupted, and some files lost the correct size value, so they got padded with zeros |
| 17:13.32 | BCMM | Guest44905: basically, just create a file inside the folder called called .directory, and make the contents look like this http://paste.debian.net/1014245/ |
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| 17:14.13 | jelly | psylence, annadane, BCMM: I don't think an automatic !frankendebian response is appropriate if user wants to enable and grab something from an _older_ release |
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| 17:14.59 | Guest44905 | inside which folder though? |
| 17:15.00 | BCMM | jelly: well, i've been send to |
| 17:15.09 | BCMM | #debian-next for asking about testing in here... |
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| 17:15.22 | BCMM | Guest44905: inside the folder you want to set an icon for |
| 17:15.32 | jelly | BCMM: that's okay |
| 17:15.37 | Guest44905 | but if i have 300 of them or so |
| 17:15.58 | BCMM | Guest44905: as in, 300 folders that all want new icons? |
| 17:16.04 | Guest44905 | yes |
| 17:16.18 | Guest44905 | thats why i was thinking of a script |
| 17:16.20 | BCMM | Guest44905: well, you said you'd be using python for this. have you learned about loops yet? :) |
| 17:16.36 | Guest44905 | nope |
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| 17:19.04 | Guest44905 | i was thinking of having a folder full of icons (different) and i name them a.jpg b.jpg c.jpg and so on and the i have folders which are called a b c and so on then the script goes into to the icon folder looks for the pic and matches it to the name of the folder |
| 17:19.21 | BCMM | Guest44905: that sounds entirely doable |
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| 17:20.03 | Guest44905 | i found something in a forum which is a little different |
| 17:20.12 | Guest44905 | maybe it could be tweaked |
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| 17:22.15 | jelly | it's going to be an easy task if you're learning programming, when you reach loop constructs and something like foreach, for, or while |
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| 17:23.54 | Guest44905 | ok thanks |
| 17:24.02 | BCMM | for i in * ; do echo -e "[Desktop Entry]\nIcon=${i}.png" > ${i}/.directory ; done |
| 17:24.18 | BCMM | (bash, not python. also, not tested. point is, it'll be a very short program) |
| 17:25.33 | Guest44905 | ok ill try that |
| 17:26.09 | jelly | a file named .directory just gives me a headache |
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| 17:27.47 | Guest44905 | i dont understand how that works |
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| 17:28.46 | Guest44905 | dont i need a path to the icon folder and a path to the folders |
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| 17:32.05 | jelly | Guest44905: you'd need to put in valid paths for icons, yes. If you plan to do this in python, perhaps #python would be a better place to ask. |
| 17:32.14 | BCMM | Guest44905: oh, that assumes the icons are installed in one of the standard locations |
| 17:32.22 | BCMM | Guest44905: otherwise, yeah you need to put the full path in |
| 17:32.54 | Guest44905 | it doesnt have to be python. just thought that might be the best option |
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| 17:33.10 | BCMM | also my bash mock-up was written on the assumption that the 300 directories were all subdirectories of the cwd |
| 17:33.12 | Guest44905 | if it works in bash and is simpler that thats ok too |
| 17:33.41 | jelly | #bash exists as well. None of this is particularly Debian specific |
| 17:33.46 | BCMM | Guest44905: well, manipulating directories and plain-text files is what bash does well |
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| 17:33.59 | BCMM | Guest44905: but use whatever language you're most comfortable in, within reason |
| 17:34.11 | jelly | (freedesktop spec for file managers are arguably linux-specific) |
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| 17:35.01 | Guest44905 | sorry im confused |
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| 17:37.04 | Guest44905 | sorry if i am in the wrong chanel |
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| 18:03.48 | zerocool | i haven't looked into rhel's kickstart setup too much yet but, studying up for the rhcsa its coming up a lot and seems to be a pxe delivered preseed config, does debian have anything like this? |
| 18:03.53 | Avernos | is there any bootable usb ISO GUI on debian ? |
| 18:04.00 | Avernos | something as unetbootin ? |
| 18:04.07 | zerocool | vs having to bake the preseed into the iso |
| 18:04.12 | Avernos | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/unetbootin |
| 18:05.12 | alkisg | zerocool: afaik debian supports preseeding, and ubuntu additionally has minimal kickstart support, but I'm not sure if debian has that minimal kickstart support |
| 18:05.29 | BCMM | Avernos: is is a Debian ISO you want to use? |
| 18:05.36 | Avernos | BCMM, no |
| 18:05.38 | alkisg | zerocool: check https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed for details |
| 18:06.09 | zerocool | alkisg: if that's where all the cool kids are headed i wonder if debian will eventually get there |
| 18:06.16 | Avernos | BCMM, if is for a debian iso i just use dd. marvelous thing |
| 18:06.25 | BCMM | Avernos: yeah, that's why i was asking |
| 18:06.26 | zerocool | i already preseed my own iso's im just wondering about kickstard |
| 18:06.28 | BCMM | how can i check why a package was removed from debian? |
| 18:06.41 | BCMM | wondering about unetbootin this time, but would like a general answer |
| 18:06.43 | alkisg | zerocool: well, alien makes rpm installable in debian; and has been around for years; and we haven't switched to rpm yet :) |
| 18:07.01 | zerocool | gross |
| 18:07.09 | jelly | zerocool: yes, debian has pxe bootable d-i |
| 18:07.35 | jelly | and a way to grab preseed config via tftp |
| 18:08.00 | zerocool | jelly: noice, im still not sure if that's what kickstart is but sounds like it so far |
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| 18:08.32 | jelly | kickstart is redhat's thing |
| 18:09.08 | zerocool | right i know, was wondering if debian used it too, alkisg says ubuntu does to an extent |
| 18:09.16 | zerocool | so, kinda answers my q |
| 18:09.20 | zerocool | thanks jelly |
| 18:09.30 | jelly | debian does not, AFAIK |
| 18:10.02 | zerocool | well if it already has something that is functionally the same with a less cooler name like pxe d-i vs kickstart |
| 18:10.07 | zerocool | then... kinda it do |
| 18:11.05 | jelly | there's some (but not complete) docs for network installation in the install guide |
| 18:11.07 | jelly | !i-g |
| 18:11.07 | dpkg | stretch installation guide is probably The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <stretch release notes>. |
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| 18:11.11 | alkisg | the preseed file can be provided by a lot of methods, not just pxe/tftp |
| 18:11.26 | alkisg | It can be in cdrom, http, local paths, wherever |
| 18:11.44 | jelly | sure, but that's the easiest if they're doing netboot anyway |
| 18:11.57 | alkisg | netbooting sometimes is done without tftp, only with http |
| 18:12.22 | zerocool | i have like a 50 linux servers that i need to apprehend so looking into foreman and puppet and i see it talking about kickstart, most of my servers are debian so that's why i was asking |
| 18:12.24 | jelly | but then you have to type things in at the console, or customize boot images |
| 18:12.32 | alkisg | Nah, ipxe covers all that |
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| 18:12.45 | alkisg | You can even chainload it (undi) |
| 18:13.17 | jelly | is d-i via ipxe documented anywhere |
| 18:13.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | Is it legal to distribute physical copies of Debian installer discs with the Debian logo on them? |
| 18:14.11 | zerocool | KaffeeJunky123: it may only matter if the code is changed or you are charging for it |
| 18:14.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | zerocool: I plan on only charging for it |
| 18:14.30 | jelly | why would charging matter |
| 18:14.34 | BCMM | KaffeeJunky123: https://www.debian.org/logos/#open-use |
| 18:14.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | DVDs aren't printed for free |
| 18:14.55 | alkisg | jelly: not sure, but netboot.xyz has an extensive ipxe menu just for that, check https://github.com/antonym/netboot.xyz/blob/master/src/debian.ipxe |
| 18:14.58 | jelly | if anyone wants to buy Debian dvd for $100, let them |
| 18:15.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | BCMM: Is there one that also says GNU/Linux |
| 18:15.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: I only plan to sell at slightly above production price |
| 18:15.39 | zerocool | i think it would be different if you were selling debian for $120 as an OS and not $5 as install media which happens to contain debian, but im not 100%. |
| 18:15.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: So I can cover shipping and time invested in the whole deal |
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| 18:16.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | zerocool: I was planning around 2⬠within my country and 3⬠within the EU |
| 18:16.30 | zerocool | you know trying to sell the OS, not the disk. nobody would willingly spend >$5 for a disk that has free content on it |
| 18:17.02 | BCMM | KaffeeJunky123: i mean, the licence permits modification of the logo... |
| 18:17.08 | zerocool | yeah, i understand, that makes sense, i know material isn't free, and i think everyone charges for the media, i was just saying I think it would not be legal to sell the code |
| 18:17.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | BCMM: So I can just take the SVG and some more graphics with Inkscape |
| 18:17.31 | BCMM | KaffeeJunky123: and if you start with the SVG... |
| 18:17.31 | jelly | zerocool: it's absolutely legal to sell the code, you just have to comply with licenses |
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| 18:17.34 | BCMM | KaffeeJunky123: oh you beat me to it |
| 18:17.35 | zerocool | or to add your own software to it and sell it WITH the debian branding |
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| 18:17.43 | zerocool | i think that will get you into trouble ^ |
| 18:17.47 | BCMM | KaffeeJunky123: was gonna say you could get it in the same font and all that |
| 18:17.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | BCMM: So that is says the Debian version and GNU/Linux |
| 18:17.59 | NitrousPG | the GPL absolutely allows the software the be sold specifically because of the cost of distribution |
| 18:18.09 | NitrousPG | that said |
| 18:18.20 | jelly | NitrousPG: all DFSG-compliant licenses do |
| 18:18.32 | BCMM | it's also under CC BY-SA which is perfectly explicit about this |
| 18:18.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | NitrousPG: I found someone on ebay selling tons of GNU software as download, so I thought why not do it in a more legitimate way |
| 18:18.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | Many people have a bad internet connection |
| 18:18.51 | BCMM | "remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even commercially" |
| 18:18.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | So selling physical images is a good idea |
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| 18:19.06 | BCMM | KaffeeJunky123: you know somebody's already doing that right? |
| 18:19.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | The box of full Debian DVDs would be around 10⬠|
| 18:19.08 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: if you can find customers, sure |
| 18:19.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | BCMM: yes |
| 18:19.31 | BCMM | KaffeeJunky123: if you do it, you might as well ask to be included on https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 18:19.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | BCMM: I'm planning on adding it @amazon |
| 18:19.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | BCMM: And add a description that will make it turn up when people search for windows :P |
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| 18:19.57 | BCMM | heh |
| 18:20.01 | NitrousPG | i really don't see a market in people within the EU who don't have the bandwidth to support downloading a debian ISO |
| 18:20.23 | BCMM | NitrousPG: not everybody who lives in the EU lives in a city |
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| 18:20.35 | nix64bit | there was a marjey about 10 years ago |
| 18:20.36 | BCMM | there's some awful rural "broadband" here in the uk |
| 18:20.40 | NitrousPG | true |
| 18:20.41 | jelly | NitrousPG: not everyone living in EU has flat data rates |
| 18:20.42 | nix64bit | market |
| 18:20.50 | NitrousPG | i don't see a lot of farmers interested in debian though |
| 18:21.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | NitrousPG: I know a family of farmers that runs on OpenSuSE |
| 18:21.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | Why not Debian? |
| 18:21.14 | NitrousPG | anyway i mean if you can make it work then sure |
| 18:21.26 | BCMM | no, opensuse is clearly much more useful for agriculture |
| 18:21.32 | NitrousPG | but i feel like you'd just end up with a bunch of unsold CD's on your hands |
| 18:21.43 | BCMM | debian is just for us idle metropolitan people to mess around with |
| 18:22.03 | BCMM | eh, just don't make a whole bunch up-front |
| 18:22.07 | nix64bit | it gets updated too often to have it on a disk |
| 18:22.18 | nix64bit | I am logging out |
| 18:22.38 | BCMM | could just burn/print on-demand, even at a slight loss, while you work out if there's a market |
| 18:22.53 | jelly | !9.4 |
| 18:22.53 | dpkg | Debian 9.4 was released on Mar 10, 2018. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at https://www.debian.org/News/2018/20180310 and http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 18:23.08 | hypn0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.33 | zerocool | jelly: i wonder if that's for meltdown/spectre |
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| 18:23.42 | zerocool | the "serious bugs" |
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| 18:23.49 | hypn0 | there are 1542 ppl here |
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| 18:27.40 | alexandre9099 | hi, can i get an iso with all the dvd's (to put on a pendrive) |
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| 18:31.25 | jelly | zerocool: why wonder? Do a CVE lookup on the |
| 18:31.29 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 18:31.29 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 18:40.40 | tt | why dns-servers option is undocumented in debian interfaces(5)? |
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| 18:46.44 | jelly | tt: that functionality doesn't come from ifupdown package where interfaces(5) page is, but from resolvconf |
| 18:46.48 | BCMM | tt: iirc it's not part of the base of ifupdown |
| 18:47.40 | jelly | other extensions also have their own separate man pages, eg. bridge-utils-interfaces(5) |
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| 18:51.13 | tt | after doing ifdown <int> && ifup <int> my /etc/resolv.conf dont get updated or created if deleted - is dns-servers deprecated? |
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| 18:52.17 | armin | tt: i noticed there's some resolv.conf related systemd units showing up recently |
| 18:52.32 | armin | tt: might be worth noticing |
| 18:52.58 | jelly | tt: is resolvconf package installed? |
| 18:53.06 | jelly | tt: which debian release are you on? |
| 18:53.57 | tt | jelly: 9.3 stretch |
| 18:54.37 | tt | jelly: i guess it is not (by default) |
| 18:54.52 | jelly | please don't guess, look it up |
| 18:55.15 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename | grep ^.i |
| 18:55.21 | jelly | dpkg: be quiet |
| 18:55.21 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
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| 18:55.56 | majesttr | Im trying to setup openVPN but i only get this error message; https://pastebin.com/dyfpaGkf . I have tried removing it and installing it again, but the same message appears |
| 18:55.59 | tt | jelly: it is not - do i need to install it? i also noticed systemd-resolved is disabled too |
| 18:56.09 | lechucknet | ;) |
| 18:56.24 | jelly | tt: you absolutely need to install it if you want dns-* stuff in interfaces to do anything |
| 18:57.05 | jelly | that's what "functionality [...] comes [...] from resolvconf" implied |
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| 18:59.07 | jelly | majesttr: it looks like a) you have a rather old debian release and b) the thing you're trying to install was compiled for an OS with a newer glibc (libc6 package) |
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| 18:59.43 | jelly | majesttr: no, there's no safe way to upgrade just libc6 |
| 18:59.50 | tt | jelly: thank you, the issue resolved. but, from where did you read that sentence? |
| 19:00.06 | jelly | [19:46] <jelly> tt: that functionality doesn't come from ifupdown package where interfaces(5) page is, but from resolvconf |
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| 19:00.15 | jelly | from me, 15 minutes ago |
| 19:00.20 | tt | oh ok :-) |
| 19:00.23 | tt | thx! |
| 19:00.47 | jelly | ,v libc6 |
| 19:00.48 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-1; sid: 2.27-2 |
| 19:01.14 | jelly | ,v openvpn |
| 19:01.15 | judd | Package: openvpn on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-security: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1; stretch: 2.4.0-6+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.4.4-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.5-1; sid: 2.4.5-1 |
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| 19:01.52 | jelly | majesttr: if you're on Debian 7 you can try using openvpn from the distro, version 2.2.1-8+deb7u5; |
| 19:02.20 | jelly | I have no idea how well it works, but it won't throw glibc symbol errors |
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| 19:03.07 | jelly | majesttr: where does that openvpn-as package come from? |
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| 19:09.50 | nidhoegger | hi, i am trying buster right now for fun |
| 19:09.55 | nidhoegger | did the package qtcreator get removed? |
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| 19:11.07 | annadane | ,v qtcreator |
| 19:11.09 | judd | Package: qtcreator on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.5.0-2; wheezy-backports: 3.2.1+dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.2.1+dfsg-7+deb8u1; jessie-security: 3.2.1+dfsg-7+deb8u1; stretch: 4.2.0-1+b1; sid: 4.5.0-3 |
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| 19:11.40 | annadane | https://tracker.debian.org/news/938855 |
| 19:12.16 | nidhoegger | so it will make it back to buster once this has been resolved=? |
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| 19:14.21 | awal1 | linksys ae6000 not supported? |
| 19:14.30 | awal1 | usb wifi adapter ^ |
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| 19:15.46 | annadane | nidhoegger, probably, yeah |
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| 19:17.09 | awal1 | lsusb ---» Bus 003 Device 004: ID 13b1:003e Linksys AE6000 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wireless Adapter [MediaTek MT7610U] |
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| 19:19.47 | jelly | awal1: look up 13b1:003e usbid linux support on the web |
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| 19:20.28 | majesttr | Im trying to upgrade from 7.11 to 9.0 but when I run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" I only get this; "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 19:20.44 | majesttr | weird... |
| 19:20.54 | awal1 | jelly, ok :, thanks |
| 19:22.57 | jelly | majesttr: skipping releases is not supported. You have to go from 7.11 ->8, then from 8 -> 9 |
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| 19:23.27 | majesttr | jelly: How do I do that then? lol |
| 19:23.32 | jelly | majesttr: you also have to read the release notes, they contain important instructions |
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| 19:23.42 | jelly | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 19:23.42 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 19:23.51 | jelly | !jessie release notes |
| 19:23.51 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 19:23.59 | jelly | majesttr: that's for 7->8 step |
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| 19:24.47 | BCMM | majesttr: dist-upgrade, despite the name, doesn't actually tell it you want to upgrade the distro |
| 19:24.55 | BCMM | majesttr: gotta edit sources first |
| 19:25.13 | jelly | no. gotta read the release notes first. |
| 19:25.42 | BCMM | !wheezy->jessie |
| 19:25.53 | BCMM | hmmm |
| 19:25.53 | jelly | I've... just asked the bot about that. |
| 19:26.14 | BCMM | oh, sorry. only saw the 2nd one |
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| 19:26.39 | jelly | (dpkg bot has a bug with ! and factoids with -> in the name, has to be addressed with full nickname) |
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| 19:33.56 | Wotac | how do i find out my uname -p if it says "unknown"? |
| 19:34.13 | jelly | Wotac: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 19:34.25 | Wotac | a script depends on it and i thought i'll just replace the text manually |
| 19:34.29 | petemc | lscpu |
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| 19:35.28 | Wotac | uname -a says everything and nothing is "unknown" there, but which one is the -p of it? |
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| 19:35.53 | jelly | what kind of script? that thing hasn't said anything but "unknown" for a very long time on debian's kernels |
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| 19:36.23 | jelly | Wotac: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
| 19:36.37 | Wotac | amd64 |
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| 19:37.01 | jelly | Wotac: so make a wrapper for uname that will say "x86_64" for -p |
| 19:37.27 | jelly | or just hack off that part of the affected script |
| 19:38.44 | Wotac | i did that second one |
| 19:38.50 | Wotac | thanks |
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| 19:42.13 | majesttr | jelly: I tried what you said about changing "wheezy" to "jessie" in sources.list then I get this message; https://pastebin.com/QePXJctk |
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| 19:49.38 | awal1 | not officially suported https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek |
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| 19:54.04 | awal1 | so that means my " Bus 003 Device 004: ID 13b1:003e Linksys AE6000 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wireless Adapter [MediaTek MT7610U]" will not be supported or just not supported for now? |
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| 19:55.33 | awal1 | just curious. I can go back to walmart and get refunded ( i have 2 weeks for try it and think --- by law here in Canada) |
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| 20:00.12 | BCMM | awal1: the readme on https://github.com/ulli-kroll/mt7610u doesn't exactly fill me with hope that it'll go upstream any time soon |
| 20:00.36 | BCMM | but i guess that's not strictly a prerequisite for debian support |
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| 20:01.44 | awal1 | BCMM, I was in that link yeah, I am going to try if it works in my sid vm; if troubles I just go to get refunded and buy another one quietly |
| 20:02.19 | awal1 | try it I mean downloaading that git firmware |
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| 20:22.59 | SirCmpwn | I'm trying to automate a debian image build, but debootstrap is doing some interactive nonsense |
| 20:23.15 | SirCmpwn | wait, or is it |
| 20:24.40 | SirCmpwn | it wasn't, my bad |
| 20:25.02 | SirCmpwn | it's apt-get install, I think |
| 20:25.06 | SirCmpwn | it's asking me for a keyboard layout |
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| 21:01.45 | BCMM | SirCmpwn: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/96227 |
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| 21:02.20 | SirCmpwn | BCMM: thanks, I got it sorted |
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| 21:12.45 | rezner | is there a way to use an LXC tool to create/clone an ISO from let's say slackware and turn it into an LXC container template for proxmox? |
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| 21:15.01 | tweakerDOTio | Is any one alive? |
| 21:15.06 | robin_sz | yes |
| 21:15.08 | rezner | nope |
| 21:15.27 | robin_sz | sorry, rezner is right, I'm new here |
| 21:15.41 | tweakerDOTio | im kinda dead to. meth does that. um... can I come in this chan and attempt to sell compute/bandwith capacity? |
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| 21:16.19 | tweakerDOTio | or does any one have a suggestion as to how I can turn my compute capacity on google cloud into some cash. for drugs. this is real. |
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| 21:17.50 | nkuttler | !ops tweakerDOTio trolling |
| 21:17.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: nkuttler complains about a problem (see above) |
| 21:18.05 | tweakerDOTio | k then |
| 21:18.17 | tweakerDOTio | literally not. |
| 21:18.18 | tweakerDOTio | but ok |
| 21:18.41 | robin_sz | so, remind me, Stretch, it still uses the init.d system or not? |
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| 21:18.56 | nkuttler | robin_sz: not by default |
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| 21:19.55 | robin_sz | sigh ... ok. I sort of lost touch ... is it services like redhat now then? |
| 21:21.50 | BCMM | robin_sz: systemd is the default from Jessie onwards |
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| 21:23.49 | robin_sz | thats what dedrat uses, right? |
| 21:24.02 | BCMM | yes |
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| 21:27.30 | robin_sz | OK, just catching up asI have a bunch of virtualmachines I have neglected that need an upgrade |
| 21:28.01 | robin_sz | still on Wheezy |
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| 21:30.38 | robin_sz | I kinda ran into it when doing some admin on some Ubuntu machine, and thought it was Ubuntu madness, but I guess it was inherited from Debian, I suspect I'll go for Devuan, assuming Amazon has an image for it |
| 21:31.25 | robin_sz | thanks for the heads up thoug |
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| 21:50.36 | kale | hi, im running debian on btrfs, but i get corrupt files. the thing is, i have hard time tracking it down. i transfer 53509 files of various sizes using unison. when i then check the files against another archive, the some of the differ. would that be unison or btrfs teasing me? |
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| 22:17.04 | jhutchins | kale: Try unison on ext4, try something other than unison - rsync? on btrfs. |
| 22:18.13 | kale | jhutchins: i am trafsferring with tar/ssh right now, still onto btrfs lets see what happens when i try to sync with unison afterwards |
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| 22:23.51 | jhutchins | kale: The nice thing about rsync is that it checksums the transfer. |
| 22:24.14 | kale | jhutchins: true, but its 300GB, takes too long |
| 22:25.15 | jhutchins | kale: It's not going to be any slower than any encrypted connection(ssh). |
| 22:25.39 | jhutchins | kale: It has internal compression available if your connection is restreicted. |
| 22:26.02 | kale | jhutchins: yes, for the first transfer i agree, but when i change a single file, unison finds that single file pretty fast. rsync has to check everything |
| 22:27.22 | jhutchins | kale: It's not like unison doesn't have to check everything, it's just a different method. |
| 22:27.48 | kale | jhutchins: true, but it does not checksum all the files again |
| 22:28.07 | jhutchins | kale: Rsync has a LOT of proven reliability. Unison may be fine, but it's worth trying a different, known-to-be-reliable method. |
| 22:28.25 | jhutchins | kale: We KNOW rsync is not going to corrupt the files in transit. |
| 22:28.59 | jhutchins | kale: Therefore, if we use rsync and still get corrupted files, it's probably dues to btrfs problems. |
| 22:29.11 | kale | jhutchins: that is worth trying out i think. |
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| 22:29.49 | jhutchins | kale: If we use rsync and DON'T get corrupted files, there's a good chance it's something about unison - although absence of failure isn't proof of the problem. |
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| 22:32.04 | kale | jhutchins: yes, i guess this is where it is hard. i do not nessessarily get a corruption immidiately. got that on my old CPU/motherboard, so i replaced it. earlier i had som btrfs quircks in syslog, but i do not have those anymore. |
| 22:33.05 | kale | i think i'll run an rsync check from time to time, so see when this happens |
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| 23:33.33 | rabbitear_sdf | https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch |
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| 23:39.15 | CannedSpinach | what's the best way to install Python 3.6 on Debian? |
| 23:39.23 | CannedSpinach | I've heard a lot of conflicting advice and want to make sure it's done the best way |
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| 23:41.37 | rabbitear_sdf | CannedSpinach: compile it in /usr/local and point the scripts to it, is the best way |
| 23:42.30 | rabbitear_sdf | CannedSpinach: then you have to also pay attention to easy_install and pip too, but still the best way |
| 23:43.11 | CannedSpinach | what about virtualenv? |
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| 23:57.20 | CannedSpinach | wait how come Ubuntu gets Python 3.6 by default and Debian Stretch doesn't |
| 23:57.22 | CannedSpinach | this is BS |
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