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| 00:11.16 | jimmy_ | hey guys I'm baack |
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| 00:13.02 | jimmy_ | so, the kernel upgrade (4.9.0-0-5-686-pae was the only one available in my backports) didn't help. I tried removing pulse, alsa still only had a beep, now I uninstalled alsa, reinstalled pulse and pulse recognizes an input device but no output :( |
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| 00:19.38 | descuidado | i know this is very specific, but im using xfce on debian, and uh, this might sound dumb but everytime i try to change the setting of my clock, the clock just doesnt save it, and doesnt show up at all |
| 00:20.11 | jimmy_ | brb ill help when I get back |
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| 00:44.48 | jimmy_ | descuidado |
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| 00:44.57 | jimmy_ | still there" |
| 00:45.00 | jimmy_ | ?* |
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| 00:48.23 | jimmy_ | rip |
| 00:48.29 | jimmy_ | anyone else have ideas? |
| 00:48.40 | jimmy_ | I have a realtek alc880 sound card |
| 00:51.09 | RoyK | jimmy_: does lshw/dmidecode see it? |
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| 00:58.48 | jimmy_ | I've got an audio device for Intel(R) Azalia Audio Device |
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| 01:33.34 | lisa61095 | What kind of problems does it cause to go from debian stable directly to unstable? What are the benefits of doing stable -> testing -> unstable instead of just directly upgrading from stable -> unstable? |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | the kind of problems one sohuld be able to solve when one runs Unstable .. |
| 01:35.57 | lisa61095 | abrotman: That's a pretty useless answer. Sometimes when you don't know an answer, or aren't willing to take the time to explain it's best to just stfu and let someone else answer in a way that is informative or helpful. |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | That's just about the correct answer. What sort of problems would you expect when running unstable? Packages may break, dependecy issues, missing data, life without X ... |
| 01:37.42 | bazhang | lisa61095, unstable means you are fully ready to fix broken/unstable things |
| 01:37.48 | abrotman | I said that! |
| 01:37.54 | bazhang | you did! |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | Oh, I'm supposed to STFU because I'm a clueless person or something |
| 01:38.06 | lisa61095 | i am aware of what unstable means. that's not what I asked |
| 01:38.07 | bazhang | just backing you! |
| 01:38.09 | hakerx1 | or cause serius issues for os in general... |
| 01:38.39 | lisa61095 | I asked specifically what are the benefits of upgrading to testing first, vs. directly to unstable |
| 01:38.49 | abrotman | lisa61095: You can go directly if you choose, the problems aren't likely to be much worse, barring some current issue in unstable |
| 01:38.50 | bazhang | lisa61095, the issues are nummerous if that's your question |
| 01:39.50 | lisa61095 | bazhang - I'm just trying to understand what they are, because most of the guides I've found say to do testing first, then upgrade from there to unstable. I'm not doubting that this is the correct way, I'm just trying to understand why (I don't like blindly following instructions) |
| 01:40.20 | abrotman | you might want to check release.debian.org/transitions/ before starting to see if any additional pain might be under way |
| 01:40.21 | hakerx1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.30 | abrotman | Oh crap, I'm so bad at this STFU thing |
| 01:40.44 | bazhang | lisa61095, I believe there is channel that is all about that, see the topic here |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | lisa61095: FWIW, I've been using Debian for ~20 years, and I'd probably go with a minimal stable, upgrade straight to unstable, and then deal with the aftermath. |
| 01:44.08 | lisa61095 | abrotman, bazhang: Thanks |
| 01:44.16 | lowpro | If testing and unstable are just naming conventions for more or less tested software, it should be hard to predict what issues one will have by definition |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | Tjt |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | That's correct |
| 01:44.35 | lisa61095 | Again, I'm not asking what issues I would have with unstable. |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | a lot of it is luck of the draw |
| 01:45.05 | annadane | if a user is willing to and is aware of take the risks then it can be good for people to run unstable so there's bug reports |
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| 01:46.18 | lisa61095 | I was asking what issues one would have with upgrading from stable -> unstable that one would NOT have when upgrading from stable -> testing -> unstable. I am not asking about general problems that one might run into with unstable. I already know this. I am only asking about the upgrade process. |
| 01:46.56 | abrotman | I answered, in multiple ways |
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| 01:47.13 | lisa61095 | Yes, you did. |
| 01:47.46 | bazhang | no telling what general problems, as everyone has different rigs |
| 01:48.34 | annadane | it's a very polarizing topic, some people feel unstable is fine for daily desktop use (assuming backups are kept, etc) |
| 01:48.44 | annadane | just don't stick it on your server |
| 01:49.44 | lisa61095 | I expect to run into problems with unstable. I am doing it both to help with the project (testing, filing bug reports, etc) and for later software versions. I have just seen over and over again in various guides that one should upgrade to testing first, and from there to unstable. But I haven't found anywhere that actually explains why. |
| 01:49.46 | abrotman | You can run it on a server, a) have backups, b) don't put it on the internet :) |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman | lisa61095: a lot of that depends on how close testing/unstable are at that moment. Testing hasn't frozen yet for buster's release, and testing/unstable should be relatively close. |
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| 01:51.26 | abrotman | as a release nears, testing/unstable drift a part .. Unstable becomes slushy, while testing freezes .. |
| 01:51.36 | annadane | (i run sid.) |
| 01:51.47 | annadane | (badly.) |
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| 02:03.32 | jimmy_ | I just wish debian would play nice with my soundcard |
| 02:03.57 | jimmy_ | I don't want to have to install a new OS again, it's getting old |
| 02:04.52 | dvs | What isn't Debian doing? |
| 02:04.58 | jimmy_ | my sound card |
| 02:05.04 | jimmy_ | realtek alc880 |
| 02:05.29 | dvs | !alc880 |
| 02:05.50 | klys | ~alc880 |
| 02:05.51 | jimmy_ | recognizes input device but only dummy output device |
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| 02:06.46 | jimmy_ | aplay -l |
| 02:06.46 | jimmy_ | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** |
| 02:07.15 | jimmy_ | I've tried sooooooooo many things at this point, I'm pretty burnt out |
| 02:07.25 | klys | jimmy_ that would have a little to do with debian, and a lot to do with your kernel. look up kernel support for your card and check your config against avilable options. |
| 02:08.00 | jimmy_ | the computer recognizes that it's attached, I even have hda_intel and hda_realtek |
| 02:08.15 | jimmy_ | hda_codec_realtek ** |
| 02:08.34 | jimmy_ | but for whatever reason alsa and/or pulse will not recognize it |
| 02:09.11 | klys | you can load modules, except they are perhaps not working as advertised. make sure your drivers are being used, and that they correspond precisely to included kernel support. |
| 02:09.27 | dvs | jimmy_, What does "lspci -nn | grep -i audio" say? |
| 02:09.28 | abrotman | jimmy_: cat /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 02:09.53 | jimmy_ | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:2668] (rev 04) |
| 02:10.12 | abrotman | That's not Realtek |
| 02:10.18 | jimmy_ | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:10.18 | jimmy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.18 | jimmy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.26 | abrotman | looks like Alsa knows about your sonudcard |
| 02:10.36 | dvs | ,pci-id 8086:2668 |
| 02:10.37 | judd | [8086:2668] is '82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2668 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | it's an old sound card from an intel chipset |
| 02:11.18 | jimmy_ | well it does have a realtek in there... |
| 02:11.34 | jimmy_ | yeah see here |
| 02:11.34 | abrotman | jimmy_: paste.debian.net, show us all of "lspci -nn" |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | jimmy_: paste coming? |
| 02:14.35 | jimmy_ | http://paste.debian.net/1014634/ |
| 02:14.37 | jimmy_ | blamo |
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| 02:15.12 | abrotman | looks really hard for a Realtek anything .. |
| 02:15.49 | klys | jimmy_ is your realtek an isa or pci card, or is that something you read off a motherboard ic? |
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| 02:16.22 | abrotman | jimmy_: so, you have two sound cards? one onboard, one discrete? |
| 02:18.48 | jimmy_ | cnet.com/products/emachines-t5026/specs |
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| 02:19.19 | abrotman | okay? |
| 02:19.54 | abrotman | "realtek" not on that page either ? |
| 02:19.56 | jimmy_ | just realized that talks nothing abotu the audio card |
| 02:19.58 | jimmy_ | lol |
| 02:20.00 | jimmy_ | my bad |
| 02:20.04 | abrotman | it does, it says AC97 |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | jimmy_: you have an intel sound card |
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| 02:20.41 | klys | more precisely, an intel sound device built into the motherboard. |
| 02:20.48 | jimmy_ | I'm 100% positive this thing had realtek sound card in it. theres headphone jacks in front and back |
| 02:20.51 | jimmy_ | ohhh |
| 02:20.52 | jimmy_ | okay |
| 02:20.55 | jimmy_ | hmm |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | more precisely, into an old motherboard :) |
| 02:21.01 | jimmy_ | very old |
| 02:21.06 | jimmy_ | this thing is my dinosaur |
| 02:21.12 | cujotus | i am using sid |
| 02:21.14 | jimmy_ | and i love it in all of it's less than a gb of ram |
| 02:21.21 | jimmy_ | glory |
| 02:21.26 | cujotus | works good |
| 02:21.37 | cujotus | :) |
| 02:21.58 | klys | cujotus, sid is supported at irc.oftc.net #debian-next |
| 02:22.16 | jimmy_ | omg i found the manual |
| 02:22.17 | jimmy_ | one sec |
| 02:23.29 | jimmy_ | okay so it has a heaphone and microphone jack on the front and the same on the back but they are line out |
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| 02:24.08 | klys | make sure the cables for that weren't unplugged last time you serviced your machine |
| 02:25.02 | jimmy_ | the audio works fine in linux mint and centos |
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| 02:25.57 | klys | next time you boot one of those kernels (into mint or centos), do lspci >> pci.txt and get a copy of pci.txt for comparison with lsmod |
| 02:26.14 | klys | erm, lsmod >> mod.txt |
| 02:26.57 | jimmy_ | I uninstalled them for this distro lol |
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| 02:27.03 | klys | o ok |
| 02:27.18 | jimmy_ | so emachine's website lists audio vendor as realtek audio driver v 5.10 |
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| 02:28.02 | klys | jimmy_ have you looked at the cards on the backplate to see if one of them was perhaps a sound card? |
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| 02:30.25 | jimmy_ | not sure what you mean? |
| 02:30.50 | jimmy_ | The ports in back are plugged into the motherboard directly but the front one looked connected by wire |
| 02:30.53 | klys | jimmy_, the back of the machine has plates of enclosed slots perhpas with card(s) installed there |
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| 02:32.03 | jimmy_ | foxconn? |
| 02:32.09 | jimmy_ | thats what the silver bit says |
| 02:32.30 | jimmy_ | so the audio in back is encased in a silver rectangle that looks like its directly into the motherboard |
| 02:32.53 | klys | yeah that should be working. do you have a sound file you can play? |
| 02:33.22 | jimmy_ | yeah, but like I said, there's only dummy output |
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| 02:35.32 | klys | jimmy_ do you have modules as shown here: https://paste.debian.net/1014638/ |
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| 02:39.38 | jimmy_ | snd_hda_codec_generic 65536 1 snd_hda_codec_realtek, Live 0xf87af000 |
| 02:39.38 | jimmy_ | snd_hda_intel 28672 2 - Live 0xf85bd000 |
| 02:39.38 | jimmy_ | snd_hda_codec 94208 3 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_intel, Live 0xf8797000 |
| 02:39.38 | jimmy_ | snd_hda_core 57344 4 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec, Live 0xf85ae000 |
| 02:39.39 | jimmy_ | snd_hwdep 16384 1 snd_hda_codec, Live 0xf8593000 |
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| 02:40.01 | klys | =) |
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| 02:40.15 | jimmy_ | my bad |
| 02:40.36 | jimmy_ | http://paste.debian.net/1014639/ |
| 02:40.49 | jimmy_ | @klys |
| 02:42.01 | klys | jimmy_, you should try alsamixer, and if not give yourself the oss modules and try aumix |
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| 02:43.23 | jimmy_ | right well the mixer sees the card |
| 02:43.31 | jimmy_ | hda_intel |
| 02:43.43 | jimmy_ | but aplay -l still doesnt list it |
| 02:43.46 | jimmy_ | so that baffles me |
| 02:44.29 | klys | jimmy_, were you able to adjust master and pcm volume settings? |
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| 02:44.39 | jimmy_ | it only lists beep |
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| 02:45.00 | klys | jimmy_ for further luck try: ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/pci/hda |
| 02:45.26 | jimmy_ | mic and beep and loopback ** |
| 02:45.57 | klys | jimmy_ once you've modprobe'd each of those modules, come back and try aumix for me |
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| 02:47.06 | jimmy_ | what is modprobe'd |
| 02:47.20 | jimmy_ | just sudo modprobe "module" ? |
| 02:47.32 | klys | jimmy_ eg. # modprobe snd_hda_codec_analog |
| 02:48.52 | jimmy_ | none of them returned anything |
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| 02:49.10 | klys | that's fine, now install aumix like so: apt-get install aumix |
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| 02:49.38 | jimmy_ | done |
| 02:49.47 | klys | now fire up # aumix |
| 02:50.00 | klys | and tell us what settings it has |
| 02:50.03 | jimmy_ | no such file or directory |
| 02:50.08 | jimmy_ | error opening mixer |
| 02:50.20 | klys | oh you need to modprobe two more th8ings |
| 02:50.36 | klys | modprobe snd_mixer_oss and modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:51.01 | klys | then do that |
| 02:51.31 | jimmy_ | Spkr |
| 02:51.33 | jimmy_ | mic |
| 02:51.35 | jimmy_ | igain |
| 02:51.49 | klys | is spkr turned all the way up |
| 02:52.04 | jimmy_ | speaker and mic are both all the way to the left |
| 02:52.18 | jimmy_ | i moved it 3/4 right |
| 02:52.20 | klys | turn it up by pushing the right arrow |
| 02:52.24 | klys | ok |
| 02:52.40 | klys | now get ye a file and play some music |
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| 02:52.52 | jimmy_ | can I exit aumix? |
| 02:52.59 | klys | with q, yes |
| 02:53.00 | jimmy_ | or should i save then exit |
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| 02:54.51 | klys | one tool that supports mp3 audio with alsa and oss is mpg321 |
| 02:55.27 | jimmy_ | i got no sound |
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| 02:55.50 | klys | hmm ok, perhaps we will have to check your card against a kernel |
| 02:56.06 | jimmy_ | ok |
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| 02:57.11 | jimmy_ | I'm willing to troubleshoot a bit more, but if it's not working out I'm going to try arch |
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| 03:00.52 | klys | jimmy_ find your card model in this file: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/sound/pci/hda/patch_realtek.c |
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| 03:04.05 | klys | line 1442 |
| 03:04.36 | klys | it has a comment /* broken BIOS */ |
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| 03:05.17 | jimmy_ | whats that mean |
| 03:05.41 | klys | not too sure myself. you could check if it's enabled at your bios setup screen. just a shot in the dark. |
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| 03:07.26 | jimmy_ | I mean it'd have to if it worked on other os |
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| 03:08.41 | klys | jimmy_ what's your kernel version from $ uname -r |
| 03:09.08 | jimmy_ | 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae |
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| 03:09.36 | klys | thx, perhaps it would be good to compare notes with your kernel's version of the above file. |
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| 03:15.59 | klys | jimmy_ since the sources for it are not on the debian mirrors, you could perhaps get them from snapshot.debian.org except I will suggest you should upgrade your kernel. |
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| 03:58.35 | klys | the last news I read from him was that he calculated some things from what's supposed to be before the big bang |
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| 05:01.02 | monoxane | hey, im having issues connecting my bluetooth mouse, its paired fine under both gnome-settings and bluetoothctl but it fails to actually connect, in gnome-settings the connect toggle is greyed out and in bluetoothctl I get `[CHG] Device 00:1F:20:08:69:05 Paired: yes <newline> Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed` |
| 05:01.05 | monoxane | any ideas? |
| 05:01.27 | monoxane | it works fine on macos on the same bluetooth adapter and a different laptop |
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| 05:07.43 | monoxane | huh okay, i got it to connect but its not functioning as a mouse |
| 05:08.22 | monoxane | now ive got this: bluetoothd[5707]: 00:1F:20:08:69:05: error updating services: Connection timed out (110) |
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| 06:12.23 | vlt | asterismo_l: pong |
| 06:12.38 | asterismo_l | hi vlt |
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| 06:13.29 | vlt | asterismo_l: Did you remove sdc, re-format and hen re-add to the raids? |
| 06:13.34 | vlt | *then |
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| 06:16.24 | asterismo_l | vlt, no, i did not |
| 06:16.40 | asterismo_l | i'm to afraid to do it by myself alone |
| 06:16.48 | asterismo_l | hahah |
| 06:17.03 | asterismo_l | the raid is synced |
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| 06:17.50 | vlt | The first one? Ok. |
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| 06:18.07 | vlt | Have to go, will be back at 7:30 UTC |
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| 06:19.52 | asterismo_l | ok, we live in very different timezones |
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| 08:11.42 | vlt | asterismo_l: :D |
| 08:12.35 | asterismo_l | hi |
| 08:12.44 | vlt | asterismo_l: Ok, now that the resync is done -- make sure by looking at /proc/mdstat -- you can `mdadm /dev/md1 --fail sdc1`. |
| 08:12.58 | vlt | Then --remove |
| 08:13.04 | vlt | Then the same for sdc2 |
| 08:13.34 | vlt | Then you can `cfdisk -z /dev/sdc`. |
| 08:14.18 | asterismo_l | i'm on it |
| 08:14.20 | vlt | You could also dd the first few bytes but we have learnt that this might not succeed fully. |
| 08:14.37 | vlt | asterismo_l: So to be safe go with cfdisk. |
| 08:14.59 | vlt | asterismo_l: And make sure in journalctl that the kernel has indeed re-read the partitions. |
| 08:15.27 | asterismo_l | wait |
| 08:15.33 | vlt | Then just `mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdc1` and sdc2 to md2 |
| 08:15.37 | asterismo_l | mdadm /dev/md1 --fail sdc1 and the same for md2 rigth? |
| 08:15.56 | asterismo_l | ok |
| 08:16.01 | vlt | asterismo_l: Correct but with sdc2 |
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| 08:19.21 | asterismo_l | vlt, bulldozer kernel: sdc: sdc1 sdc2 |
| 08:19.46 | vlt | asterismo_l: Good. |
| 08:19.50 | vlt | asterismo_l: Re-add them |
| 08:20.13 | vlt | asterismo_l: And go to sleep or whatever in your timezone :-D |
| 08:21.04 | asterismo_l | done |
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| 08:21.37 | asterismo_l | then you have to show me how to increase the lvm inside the crypto to fill the whole tb |
| 08:21.52 | vlt | asterismo_l: We could do this now. |
| 08:21.55 | vlt | asterismo_l: But ... |
| 08:22.08 | vlt | Please think *before* doing that. |
| 08:22.26 | vlt | Do you really grow the root fs to the full available size? |
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| 08:22.34 | vlt | There are disadvantages. |
| 08:22.37 | asterismo_l | vlt, is it dangerous? |
| 08:22.42 | vlt | No. |
| 08:22.52 | vlt | You just loose a bit flexibility. |
| 08:23.02 | asterismo_l | my old raid was 500gb |
| 08:23.12 | RoyK | vlt: instead of cfdisk -z, perhaps mdadm --zero-superblock? |
| 08:23.12 | vlt | I'll explain. |
| 08:23.17 | asterismo_l | disks were 6yrs old |
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| 08:23.22 | asterismo_l | all ears |
| 08:23.37 | vlt | RoyK: No, they needed to switch from gpt to dos style. |
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| 08:23.51 | RoyK | oh - ic |
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| 08:24.21 | RoyK | well, if md is on a partition it won't matter much anyway |
| 08:24.25 | asterismo_l | vlt, what disadvantages? |
| 08:24.47 | RoyK | is more used to putting md on whole disks instead |
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| 08:25.05 | vlt | asterismo_l: Because the current linux kernel (afaik) can increase the size of any file system even when mounted but can shrink only when not mounted, |
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| 08:25.19 | vlt | once you grow the root fs you have to stick to its size. |
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| 08:25.49 | asterismo_l | i'm fine with that |
| 08:25.54 | vlt | But if you leave room on your VG you can create, shrink or grow any not-mounted file system at any time later. |
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| 08:26.23 | Kalimero | how can I install a single package an its dependencies from testing on debian 9 (stretch). All guides are for jessie. Help pls |
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| 08:26.28 | vlt | asterismo_l: Ok, I just wanted you to be aware of the advantages of not using the full available space. |
| 08:26.47 | dob1 | what is the difference between tmux's session |
| 08:26.48 | asterismo_l | vlt, great advice |
| 08:26.58 | dob1 | tmux'windows ? just that you can name a session? |
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| 08:27.51 | asterismo_l | vlt, you have it all figured it out man, i'm amazed |
| 08:28.34 | asterismo_l | maybe we shoud wait to the raid to sync? |
| 08:28.51 | vlt | asterismo_l: Not necessary. |
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| 08:29.26 | asterismo_l | ok then |
| 08:29.33 | vlt | asterismo_l: I don't see an advantage in waiting. |
| 08:30.13 | asterismo_l | it lready synced |
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| 08:31.03 | vlt | asterismo_l: I've always done it in two steps: `lvresize vg-name/lv-name -l +100%FREE` and then `resize2fs /dev/mapper/vg-name--lv-name` |
| 08:31.35 | vlt | asterismo_l: It already synced?!? That's nearly impossible for 1 TB. |
| 08:32.08 | vlt | asterismo_l: md1 sure, but md2 should take a few hours. |
| 08:32.25 | RoyK | or perhaps not the whole thing at once? |
| 08:32.36 | vlt | RoyK: ? |
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| 08:32.53 | RoyK | well, extend the vg to something nice, then add space as you need it |
| 08:32.55 | vlt | asterismo_l: `cat /proc/mdstat`, please. |
| 08:33.02 | RoyK | that's what I'll suggest |
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| 08:33.09 | vlt | RoyK: That's what I suggested. |
| 08:33.33 | RoyK | +100%FREE means "eat it all" |
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| 08:33.48 | asterismo_l | vlt maybe the data was untouched, only the mbr sectors |
| 08:33.58 | vlt | RoyK: Exactly. That's why I wrote about the disadvantages of doing that. |
| 08:34.01 | RoyK | so I was merely suggesting -L +10g or whatever |
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| 08:34.17 | asterismo_l | i dunno http://paste.debian.net/1014659/ |
| 08:34.37 | RoyK | thin-provisioned lv's are nice, though |
| 08:35.06 | vlt | asterismo_l: Can I see the last lines of journalctl? |
| 08:35.41 | vlt | The propability of the whole system not writing to the root fs in several minutes is extremely low. |
| 08:36.21 | asterismo_l | vlt, how do i query n lines back? i had closed that tty |
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| 08:37.06 | vlt | asterismo_l: Not sure. Without -f you should see the full available log. |
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| 08:39.09 | asterismo_l | wait |
| 08:40.52 | asterismo_l | vlt, http://paste.debian.net/1014660/ |
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| 08:43.22 | vlt | asterismo_l: In line 20 the recovery of md1 begins, finishes in line 30. |
| 08:43.31 | vlt | asterismo_l: Line 31: md1 begins |
| 08:43.35 | vlt | *md2 |
| 08:44.05 | vlt | But doesn't end. |
| 08:44.36 | asterismo_l | vlt, so? |
| 08:45.12 | vlt | I'm confused. |
| 08:45.21 | vlt | `mdadm --detail /dev/md2` |
| 08:47.11 | asterismo_l | wait |
| 08:47.16 | asterismo_l | i missed some log |
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| 08:47.50 | asterismo_l | http://paste.debian.net/1014661/ |
| 08:48.19 | Kalimero | how can i install a testing package on debian 9 |
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| 08:49.06 | vlt | asterismo_l: Ok, the kernel says it's done. After 59 seconds. |
| 08:49.39 | vlt | asterismo_l: In this case I'm not very confident. |
| 08:49.44 | asterismo_l | lol |
| 08:49.48 | vlt | asterismo_l: Just a gut feeling. |
| 08:50.30 | vlt | asterismo_l: To be safe -- even if that's not necessary -- I'd do it again, this time wiping the raid superblock first. |
| 08:50.46 | asterismo_l | what command? |
| 08:50.59 | vlt | asterismo_l: Both --fail and --remove commands |
| 08:51.22 | vlt | asterismo_l: Then `mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda[12]` |
| 08:51.25 | asterismo_l | on sda first? |
| 08:51.32 | vlt | asterismo_l: Then both --add commands again. |
| 08:51.37 | vlt | No, only sdc! |
| 08:51.43 | asterismo_l | oh |
| 08:51.44 | asterismo_l | ok |
| 08:52.03 | vlt | So, I typed it wrong, sorry. |
| 08:52.15 | vlt | We want to remove and re-add the sdc partitions. |
| 08:52.58 | asterismo_l | wait |
| 08:53.14 | asterismo_l | i failed and removed sdc partitions |
| 08:53.22 | asterismo_l | now the superblock thing? |
| 08:53.33 | asterismo_l | mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda[12] ? |
| 08:53.37 | asterismo_l | sda or sdc? |
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| 08:54.39 | vlt | C |
| 08:55.03 | vlt | asterismo_l: You just removed sdc[12] from md[12], right? |
| 08:55.16 | asterismo_l | yes |
| 08:55.20 | asterismo_l | sdc |
| 08:55.34 | vlt | Ok, then zero the superblock of sdc[12] |
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| 08:56.34 | asterismo_l | mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda[12] that is for sda, its sdc rigth? |
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| 08:57.11 | asterismo_l | mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdc[12] |
| 08:57.13 | asterismo_l | done |
| 08:57.27 | asterismo_l | journal? |
| 08:57.33 | vlt | Ok. Then --add sdc1 to md1 |
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| 08:58.00 | vlt | asterismo_l: Then show me `journalctl -k` |
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| 08:59.34 | asterismo_l | http://paste.debian.net/1014662/ |
| 09:00.23 | vlt | asterismo_l: Good. Now --add sdc2 to md2 |
| 09:00.55 | vlt | asterismo_l: It's the same you did earlier but which took suspisciously little time. |
| 09:01.16 | asterismo_l | ok |
| 09:01.18 | asterismo_l | done |
| 09:02.14 | vlt | Wait 90 seconds and have a look at `journalctl -k` and `mdadm --detail /dev/md2` again. |
| 09:04.30 | asterismo_l | http://paste.debian.net/1014664/ |
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| 09:05.00 | asterismo_l | http://paste.debian.net/1014665/ |
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| 09:06.12 | vlt | asterismo_l: "Rebuild Status : 2% complete" This *feels* better :D |
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| 09:08.29 | asterismo_l | 4.8% |
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| 09:10.27 | monoxane | okay so it seems like i just need to force accept a pin beforehand |
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| 09:10.43 | monoxane | who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to use a pin on a mouse |
| 09:11.05 | slax0r | pin on a mouse? |
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| 09:18.07 | monoxane | slax0r mhm |
| 09:18.09 | darxmurf | damn... 20Tb to rsync over GB... zZzZzZz |
| 09:18.28 | monoxane | any ideas on how i can deal with it? |
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| 09:20.12 | slax0r | monoxane: what kind of pin on a mouse? |
| 09:20.26 | monoxane | bluetooth |
| 09:20.35 | monoxane | you know, like what you do with keyboards |
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| 09:21.41 | slax0r | oh... |
| 09:21.56 | slax0r | I somehow imagined the mouse with a numpad and you have to input a pin to use it |
| 09:23.39 | darxmurf | Oo |
| 09:23.42 | darxmurf | 0000 |
| 09:23.57 | darxmurf | some bluetooth devices are using 0000 or 1234 or 12345 |
| 09:24.02 | monoxane | yea |
| 09:24.05 | monoxane | its 000 |
| 09:24.06 | darxmurf | like headphones and things like that |
| 09:24.08 | monoxane | *0000 |
| 09:24.13 | monoxane | i just have no way to enter it |
| 09:24.36 | darxmurf | well, usually you pair it, then your computer asks for the code |
| 09:24.41 | monoxane | because bluetoothctrl wont let me enter everything and just returns 'AuthTimeout' or something like that |
| 09:24.47 | darxmurf | ah |
| 09:24.48 | monoxane | nope, nothing |
| 09:24.52 | darxmurf | this is different :-/ |
| 09:25.06 | darxmurf | maybe there is something else ? |
| 09:25.21 | darxmurf | I hate bluetooth |
| 09:25.46 | monoxane | it works on every other operating systems on several platforms but debian :| |
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| 09:29.05 | darxmurf | this is not the question, it's just a crap protocol :D |
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| 09:30.02 | monoxane | its crap for everything other than audio and smartwatches |
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| 09:45.29 | nonfatmatt | hi, anyone have any idea if DRI3 actually works in Debian Buster/Testing |
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| 10:00.03 | micw | Hi. I'm about to plan a setup where I'd like to use some xfs features that will be stable in 4.16. Will 4.16 be available in stretch-backports? |
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| 10:02.35 | petn-randall | nonfatmatt: Sure, why not? |
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| 10:03.43 | petn-randall | micw: At some point, but first it needs to be released, then get packages in unstable, migrate to testing, and then get backported. So it might take a few weeks more. |
| 10:04.31 | micw | that's ok. just wanted to know if it will be backported. It's ok for me to start with 4.13 now and upgrade then. |
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| 10:05.17 | petn-randall | micw: You can always compile 4.16 yourself with 'make deb-pkg' and install that package. |
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| 10:09.55 | dynek | Anyone familiar with pam? Since long time I have implemented Google Authenticator. But I wanted my LANs to bypass this so I added: |
| 10:09.58 | dynek | auth [success=1 default=ignore] pam_access.so accessfile=/etc/security/access-local.conf |
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| 10:10.21 | dynek | now when machines not in this file are connecting (via ssh) I see "access denied for user..." because of this line |
| 10:10.37 | dynek | Is there a way to make this silent because it's useless? |
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| 10:12.12 | dynek | I tried adding "noaudit" but it still reports logins from "disallowed hosts" |
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| 10:22.40 | turlando | Hello, I'm using debhelper and I'm trying to include a file in /etc/default/pkgname, so I added a default file to my debian directory but it doesn't show up in the package (dpkg -L doesn't list it). My rules makefile only includes a catchall rule with the command dh $@ --with-systemd |
| 10:22.44 | turlando | What am I missing? |
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| 10:25.01 | themill | turlando: you need to list it in debian/package.install (or debian/install). You might like to talk to #debian-mentors or #packaging over on irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:26.31 | turlando | thanks themill, but I don't think it's the case: I'm building also another package which has a default file, and it's not listed in the install file. Nonetheless in this case the default file gets into the package, apparently without any other directive |
| 10:26.56 | turlando | The rules file is quite different and more elaborated but there is no explicit rule for the default file |
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| 10:29.12 | themill | dh_installinit can do it for you |
| 10:29.50 | turlando | themill I think dh_installinit is already running, because of the catchall rule which executes dh $@ --with systemd |
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| 10:30.34 | themill | check |
| 10:30.35 | BluesKaj | 'Morning |
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| 10:43.51 | enkrypt | I'm running debian testing, and since a few days I'm noticing slowdowns and bad performance in google chrome. I suspect it's related to the most recent nvidia driver update. any hints on this? |
| 10:45.18 | towo^work | enkrypt, the hint is, ask in the right channel, testing support is in #debian-next on the oftc irc network |
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| 10:58.10 | BluesKaj | â BTW, Happy Pi Day to all ! |
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| 10:58.29 | bezaban | Î ! |
| 10:58.56 | aci | Pi Model 3B |
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| 10:59.26 | aci | 3B+ Even |
| 11:00.08 | aci | Gig ethernet (over usb2), future PoE etc |
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| 11:16.27 | mags | do anyone know why smokeping has been removed from debian testing repo? |
| 11:17.00 | mags | does* |
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| 11:18.00 | themill | #885699 |
| 11:18.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/885699 in smokeping (open): «smokeping: symbolic link to smokeping.cgi missing»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-12-29; last modified: 2017-12-29. |
| 11:18.43 | mags | ok - thanks |
| 11:19.23 | themill | isn't sure that's actually a serious bug |
| 11:20.08 | mags | so we can assume that when the bug is fixed it will be re-added to the repo, right? |
| 11:20.23 | themill | yes |
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| 11:24.04 | mags | great :) |
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| 11:24.29 | mags | as a total n00b, how difficult would you say it is to build smokeping from source on testing? |
| 11:24.40 | mags | if you can say at all :) |
| 11:26.09 | themill | the package from sid should be directly usable in buster |
| 11:26.12 | themill | !tum |
| 11:26.12 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 11:27.19 | mags | ok, great, thanks a lot |
| 11:27.23 | mags | I will give it a shot |
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| 11:43.39 | versuchsanstalt | When doing ssh user@host 'command', how can I evaluate $? of the remote command locally? |
| 11:44.04 | versuchsanstalt | forget it please |
| 11:44.16 | versuchsanstalt | just by doing it is the obvious answer. |
| 11:44.34 | versuchsanstalt | bows and recedes to where he came from... |
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| 11:48.25 | JyZyXEL | isn't the stable compiler supposed to have support for full retpoline mitigation? |
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| 12:16.07 | Jackneill | hey |
| 12:16.18 | Jackneill | i connect with vnc to a debian. but i dot a new display |
| 12:16.24 | Jackneill | i'd like to connect to an existing one |
| 12:16.41 | rootkea | Hello! I am using gcc 6.3.0 on Debian Stretch. `$ man gcc` says "No manual entry for gcc" |
| 12:16.47 | Jackneill | how can i? |
| 12:17.38 | antoszka | Jackneill: try x11vnc |
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| 12:18.03 | Jackneill | antoszka on the server? |
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| 12:18.35 | antoszka | Jackneill: on the machine where the X11 server you're trying to connect to is running |
| 12:18.56 | antoszka | rootkea: apt install gcc-6-doc |
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| 12:19.42 | Jackneill | antoszka, and kill xrdp? |
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| 12:20.45 | rootkea | antoszka: There used to be `gcc-doc` (similar to `gcc`) Why has it been removed? Any official wiki links to read more on that? |
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| 12:21.31 | antoszka | No idea, I don't dig the package changes too well. |
| 12:22.14 | antoszka | Jackneill: I don't even know what xrdp is, I just happened to use x11vnc to allow me to connect a VNC client to my running X11 session. |
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| 12:22.37 | antoszka | Jackneill: I think xrdp sets up a new X11 server for an incoming connection |
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| 12:22.59 | antoszka | Jackneill: so it's useful for multi-user evnironments, not "remote support" or "cloning" your actual local display |
| 12:23.09 | rootkea | antoszka: I got it. gcc-doc is in "contrib" non-free part of Debian archive. And I don't use non-free components. |
| 12:23.17 | antoszka | rootkea: ack |
| 12:23.43 | rootkea | Now I am wondering why is gcc-doc is not part of "main"? What's "non-free" about it? |
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| 12:24.53 | colo-work | it might be licensed under GNU FDL |
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| 12:25.09 | colo-work | which isn't considered "free" by debian |
| 12:26.35 | rootkea | colo-work: Looks like that's the case indeed. May I know the prerequisites to be considered "free" by Debian? I mean How FDL is not "free"? |
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| 12:27.17 | colo-work | because some parts of that documentation must not be modified according to the license's terms |
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| 12:27.29 | jelly | !gfdl |
| 12:27.29 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 12:27.50 | rootkea | jelly: Thanks! |
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| 13:07.17 | wondiws | I want to enable a module in apache2, "allowmethods". Now I see there's a file in /etc/apache2/mods-available with the said name. Am I supposed to move this file then to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled? |
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| 13:07.43 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 13:08.19 | ychaouche | The man page for nc has today's date in the footer. I was wondering how can this happen without me updating the system ? |
| 13:08.22 | bites | wondiws: a2enmod will create a symlink for you |
| 13:08.51 | ychaouche | also, the unattended updates log do not show any sign of activiy for today : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/b4104a8cba1e595717d1b203dfc0da4b |
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| 13:09.59 | ychaouche | wondiws: files in *-enabled directories are symlinks to *-available directories. |
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| 13:10.21 | ychaouche | *-available files* |
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| 13:13.05 | leafy_ | Hello, I just switched my HD from a HP desktop system to a Dell Optiplex 7010. Now the system won't boot. The bios finds the disk, but it will not boot from it when the disk is selected in the F12 menu. The system was set to UEFI boot, but I changed it to legacy. |
| 13:13.19 | leafy_ | Any obvious reason why the system will not boot? |
| 13:13.44 | ychaouche | could it be a secure boot something technology enabled in your bios ? |
| 13:14.44 | petn-randall | leafy_: If you booted before via UEFI, you have to boot via UEFI on the new machine, too. Same goes for legacy. Also secure boot must be disabled. |
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| 13:15.59 | leafy_ | petn-randall: On the old system I think it booted by legacy |
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| 13:16.31 | BluesKaj | different HW could also be confusing the boot sequence |
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| 13:16.45 | petn-randall | leafy_: Then you need to boot via legacy again. Make sure that it's set to "legacy only" and that CSM is disabled. |
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| 13:18.49 | Jackneill | hey, i can connect to a server vnc with tigervnc but i get no screen sharing |
| 13:18.56 | Jackneill | it just says in the logs connected. |
| 13:18.58 | Jackneill | any idea? |
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| 13:19.29 | leafy_ | petn-randall: is CSM a bios option? |
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| 13:21.38 | leafy_ | also, I think it was hirens boot cd that could help you boot a drive. Anyone know of a linux equivalent? |
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| 13:25.53 | alkisg | leafy_: when the bios doesn't boot from that disk, what is the error message? |
| 13:26.03 | alkisg | Also, was it the only disk on the other pc, or did you have 2 disks there? |
| 13:26.23 | alkisg | Finally, hirens boot cd is using linux itself, but grub-rescue-cd is a lot smaller and flexible |
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| 13:36.33 | mahafyi | hello. Yesterday I was having problems with Debian 9.4 Gnome desktop freezing. I re installed with Debian 10 Buster and the systems are working well now. |
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| 13:45.54 | darxmurf | will I save time using -z option in rsync between 2 machines with a GB link and huge couchDB files to transfer ? |
| 13:46.11 | darxmurf | 100Gb couch files |
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| 13:46.35 | slax0r | tias? |
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| 13:46.57 | darxmurf | and using rsync protocol, not SSH |
| 13:47.09 | tw | yeah, try it. If both CPUs can handle deflate @1Gbit or better, you'll save time. |
| 13:47.33 | darxmurf | hum rsync is using only 1 cpu :-/ |
| 13:47.54 | darxmurf | running at 16.7MB/sec now agains 112 without compression |
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| 13:48.24 | tw | so there's your answer. Unless you are getting 80+% deflate efficiency, no. |
| 13:48.35 | darxmurf | is it uncompressing after the transfer ? |
| 13:48.49 | FinalX | Usually CPU's aren't the limiting factor in file transfers. |
| 13:48.56 | FinalX | But, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24058544/speed-up-rsync-with-simultaneous-concurrent-file-transfers |
| 13:49.22 | darxmurf | well in my case the GB link is the problem |
| 13:49.24 | FinalX | Using "parallel", it might go faster, in the case of using compression. |
| 13:49.34 | lenni | Hey! it seems like upgrading libc6 has killed a few of my machines. Can anyone else report similar stuff? |
| 13:50.20 | tw | well shit, there's a libc6 update in 9.4? |
| 13:50.25 | tw | why did I install that =| |
| 13:50.58 | jelly | ,v libc6 |
| 13:50.59 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-1; sid: 2.27-2 |
| 13:51.05 | darxmurf | FinalX: I could save a bit of time as those machines are configured with 2Gb link in bonding but rsync is using the same link even if you run multiple instances |
| 13:51.14 | lenni | I might have to add that that hase happend only on 32bit machines. |
| 13:51.21 | darxmurf | I should then use rsync in one pipe and something like SCP on the other |
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| 13:52.04 | FinalX | darxmurf: hm, if you run multiple rsync's and the target machien has multiple ip's, maybe you could route that ip over the second interface on the source machine, idk |
| 13:52.21 | FinalX | or you could set up bonding on the machines, but that's more intrusive |
| 13:52.32 | FinalX | (and takes longer to work out.. might need changes on the switch) |
| 13:53.04 | tw | .wa 100GB / 1 gbps |
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| 13:53.09 | tw | err, wrong channel. |
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| 13:53.47 | tw | 13 minutes. |
| 13:53.52 | darxmurf | FinalX: only one ip but 2 links aggregged (don't know how to write that) |
| 13:54.10 | tw | Is this a one-off, or something you have to do regularly? |
| 13:54.48 | FinalX | darxmurf: if you wanna live on the dangerous side, without rsync at first, you could do something like: tar cvzf - /path/to/send | ssh root@target "(cd /target; tar zxjf -)" |
| 13:54.50 | darxmurf | didnt read your last post :-) bonding is already configured but max speed is not 2Gb :-) |
| 13:54.53 | FinalX | and then run rsync after, or something. |
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| 13:55.09 | FinalX | (to double-check) |
| 13:55.31 | darxmurf | I could too yep |
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| 13:56.38 | tw | I ask about this being a one-off because if you had started the single threaded, uncompressed rsync, it'd be done about 2 minutes from when you asked your original question. |
| 13:56.42 | tw | 2 minutes from now. |
| 13:57.11 | darxmurf | damn it's ridiculous to have 2 servers next to each other and a "slow" link to copy files ^^ |
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| 13:57.42 | darxmurf | tw I have 1Tb to transfer :-) |
| 13:57.47 | darxmurf | and it's still running :-) |
| 13:58.02 | FinalX | usb disk, copy to disk, plug in to the other, copy back? :D |
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| 13:59.01 | tw | If it's a one-off, let it go. If not, maybe some FC or IB HBAs. |
| 13:59.06 | FinalX | btw, gbit should still do > 100MB/s, otherwise it might be your disksbeing the limiting factor (how fast is it going? is it really doing that much? ) |
| 13:59.27 | FinalX | because if not, there's not much point in compression either |
| 14:00.02 | darxmurf | yep, around 112MB/s |
| 14:00.05 | FinalX | ah, ok |
| 14:00.25 | darxmurf | I'm just a bit impatient ^^ |
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| 14:01.15 | darxmurf | and I pigz some of the last fat files while the other are transfered |
| 14:01.25 | FinalX | ah :) yeah, pigz is nice |
| 14:01.48 | FinalX | but tbh with 1TB going at 112MB/s, and if it's a one-off, I'd do like tw said: let it go :) |
| 14:01.49 | darxmurf | ooh yep, still don't understand why gzip is not SMP ready |
| 14:02.09 | tw | because zlib is old enough to drink. |
| 14:02.12 | FinalX | that'll be less chan 3 hours or so? |
| 14:02.14 | tw | legally. |
| 14:02.19 | FinalX | than* |
| 14:02.35 | darxmurf | yep |
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| 14:04.16 | tw | the better question is why rsync uses zlib in-thread with its main process. |
| 14:04.37 | tw | If that were all properly pipelined, it should saturate. |
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| 14:05.04 | Tenkawa | tw: memory efficiency? |
| 14:05.10 | tw | that's reasonable. |
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| 14:05.21 | tw | I would have gone with "hard to implement and harder to maintain" |
| 14:06.01 | tw | And practically speaking, rsync is good enough as is. |
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| 14:06.33 | darxmurf | tru |
| 14:06.35 | darxmurf | e |
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| 14:12.18 | kst_ | hi dudes, any information on why nagios4 is no longer available as a Debian package? |
| 14:12.19 | panga | What is the equivalent for SOSreport in Debian? |
| 14:12.24 | darxmurf | oh by the way ncat is also a solution to copy stuffs |
| 14:13.45 | FinalX | kst_: if software is (read: packages are) not maintained, it doesn't make it into the next release of debian |
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| 14:14.00 | kst_ | panga: reportbug maybe?? |
| 14:14.00 | jelly | panga: what does it do? |
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| 14:14.31 | panga | kst_: I'll try that command |
| 14:14.33 | tw | log file aggregation for system error reporting. |
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| 14:14.47 | kst_ | FinalX: right. it's just hard to believe that nobody was interested enough in nagios. NAGIOS, mate! |
| 14:14.50 | panga | jelly: collects troubleshoting data |
| 14:15.11 | FinalX | kst_: well, the open source version of nagios didn't exactly get a lot of updates as far as I know in the past years |
| 14:15.39 | kst_ | FinalX: that could be it, thanks mate |
| 14:15.41 | FinalX | Nagios is still available and maintained, but under a different license, I believe. |
| 14:15.59 | FinalX | If I go to https://www.nagios.org/downloads/nagios-core/ I have to even fill out a form before I'm allowed to download. |
| 14:16.16 | FinalX | (oh, there's a Skip, but still) |
| 14:16.41 | kst_ | FinalX: well, i could install via their tarball, but i find it harder to maintain |
| 14:16.43 | panga | sosreport generates an archive of configuration and diagnostic informaâ |
| 14:16.43 | panga | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.43 | panga | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.43 | panga | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.43 | panga | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.43 | panga | #sosreport generates an archive of configuration and diagnostic information from the running system. The archive may be stored locally or centrally for recording or tracking purposes or may be sent to technical support representatives, developers or system administrators to assist with technical fault-finding and debugging. |
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| 14:17.18 | koollman | kst_: basically, I think the nagios3 package maintainer was not interested in making a nagios4 package. And no one else did. Various political/opinion disagreements |
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| 14:19.02 | koollman | kst_: Oh and by the way many were interested. There are various forks and replacements :) |
| 14:19.37 | Unit193 | ,v icinga2 |
| 14:19.38 | judd | Package: icinga2 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.1.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.1.1-1; jessie-backports: 2.6.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.6.0-2; sid: 2.7.0-1 |
| 14:22.01 | panga | kst_: could you please suggest me the commando you told me again? dropped from the chat |
| 14:22.34 | kst_ | panga: it was reportbug |
| 14:22.41 | panga | Thank you |
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| 14:23.24 | leafy_ | mkay.. So I am having troubles moving a uefi disk from one system to another. The other system (dell optiplex 7710) does not recognize the drive moved from the other HP system. Any recommondations? |
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| 14:31.29 | leafy_ | So there is something about a missing entry in the NVRAM ? The efi boot loader not finding the disk because of that? |
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| 14:32.12 | leafy_ | Sounds a bit strange that it should be difficult to move a disk from one system to another |
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| 14:59.04 | leafy_ | Hello, so I managed to figure out why my disk did not boot when I moved it from one system to the next. First, my system was installed with uefi, second when using uefi one has make a new entry into the bios telling where to find the uefi boot image on the disk. e.g you have to specify yourself a boot option. Luckily this was easy on a dell machine. I just selected new entry and had to browse a little filesystem in the bios screen. T |
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| 15:00.52 | leafy_ | FYI, A lesson learned about UEFI. But simple enough when you know how to do it. |
| 15:02.54 | Tenkawa | uefi can be annoying |
| 15:04.03 | Tenkawa | but yeah once you figure it out it because fairly repeatable |
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| 15:16.10 | ghutzriop | hi, I'm trying to install this package: https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/zfs-dkms Following these instructions(https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index3h2), tells me I already have the newest version, but it shows the non-backports version. |
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| 15:16.45 | petn-randall | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 15:16.46 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.4-1~bpo8+1; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.6-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.6-1; sid/contrib: 0.7.6-1 |
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| 15:16.58 | petn-randall | ghutzriop: What command are you using to install the backports version? |
| 15:17.18 | jhutchins_wk | ghutzriop: aptitude install -t squeeze-backports zfs-dkms |
| 15:17.32 | ghutzriop | petn-randall, apt -t stretch-backports install zfs-dkms |
| 15:17.35 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 15:17.35 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:17.38 | jelly | ghutzriop: ^^ |
| 15:17.54 | jhutchins_wk | s/stretch/squeeze/ |
| 15:18.24 | jelly | s/_wk/_beer/ |
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| 15:25.09 | ghutzriop | jelly, https://imgur.com/a/fjOi0 |
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| 15:26.47 | petn-randall | ghutzriop: You need to supply all information. Also please use a paste site like http://paste.debian.net. |
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| 15:27.14 | jelly | ghutzriop: also step 3 and step 1 output please. GUESS: you probably did not add contrib section for backports. |
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| 15:30.15 | ghutzriop | petn-randall, copy and paste is not available |
| 15:30.33 | ghutzriop | jelly, yes, that was it |
| 15:30.43 | ghutzriop | thanks everyone |
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| 16:46.35 | toxync12 | [Norbert@tox] hi |
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| 17:54.32 | lone-wolf | Where I can get the Debian lxde 8? |
| 17:54.42 | lone-wolf | no netinst, only lxde |
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| 17:56.03 | petn-randall | lone-wolf: You can download the DVD set, it includes all packages. |
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| 17:57.20 | jelly | too slow! |
| 17:57.27 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 17:57.27 | dpkg | <Hostile> RichiH: Im not fsking retarded |
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| 18:02.23 | mason | Hey, a question about Spectre v2. In a VM I see this: https://bpaste.net/show/505111dc4624 I'm not clear on why the tool's suggesting that IBPB is not compiled in, but enabled subsequently. The host is using generic retpoline, with IBPB enabled, if that matters. Is there discussion of Debian's strategy somewhere? |
| 18:02.30 | jelly | pokes saurabh_londhe_'s connection |
| 18:02.53 | annadane | why does _anyone_ have joins and parts enabled. too much spam, personally |
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| 18:03.15 | jelly | because one is an op |
| 18:03.22 | phogg | annadane: I have both enabled. I need to know how much of the scrollback a given person may have seen. |
| 18:04.05 | phogg | It helps with tracking the flow of the conversation. Similarly, people often leave in the middle of me trying to answer their questions. Kind of good to know when they do that. |
| 18:04.18 | jelly | I keep it disabled on most other channels |
| 18:04.28 | jelly | just use Tab key to see if they're still present |
| 18:04.31 | phogg | jelly: I feel so blind like that |
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| 18:04.49 | jelly | pho<Tab> okay, I'll keep talking to you! |
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| 18:05.09 | jelly | sometimes if they /cycle it leads to misTabs |
| 18:05.18 | greycat | if I tried that I'd just end up talking to the next match for pho* |
| 18:05.22 | annadane | i'm a fan of mouse over name, especially after "hi" |
| 18:05.29 | phogg | I also turned off the "match recent" tab completion mode. Strictly alphabetical. It helps some. |
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| 18:05.56 | phogg | annadane: that's so slow! |
| 18:05.58 | jelly | "match recent I actually talked to" |
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| 18:06.16 | mason | FWIW, the specific issue that concerns me is described here: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1801.2/05282.html My current understanding is that Debian won't mitigate Spectre v2 on Skylake, but I'd be happy to be shown to be incorrect here. |
| 18:06.17 | bites | smart filter in weechat is nice. |
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| 18:06.53 | jelly | like a button/key combo to expand or hide join/part/quit |
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| 18:07.08 | mason | By comparison, Ubuntu's doing both retpoline mitigation *and* IBPB. |
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| 18:08.03 | jelly | mason: you might try asking in #debian-kernel or #debian-security on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org), this channel isn't quite official |
| 18:08.12 | mason | Re: joins/parts, it'd be nice to show them only for folks who have been active (made a noise in the channel) within some window. I think there are things that do that, but I've not dug to find one. |
| 18:08.18 | mason | jelly: kk, good point |
| 18:08.29 | greycat | I like to think we're official but the other guys are more official. |
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| 18:08.52 | mason | Maybe one's official and the other's merely officious. :P |
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| 18:09.25 | jelly | we're official but oftc has more actual devs that are actually active on actual irc.debian.org |
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| 18:10.03 | mason | This suggests weechat does something like what I'm describing, and has a general suggestion otherwise: https://pthree.org/2010/03/12/irssi-handling-joinspartsquits/ |
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| 18:11.24 | jelly | yes, I've been told that but I dislike terminal-based clients, harder to read |
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| 18:12.58 | doublehp | pwmconfig produces a /etc/fancontrol which does not please fancontrol.service ; is it a bug ? |
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| 18:14.16 | phogg | mason: for parts that would work, but for joins it can only be all or nothing |
| 18:15.12 | mason | phogg: You won't be in the middle of a conversation with a fresh join, though. |
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| 18:15.21 | jelly | and I want animated harmonica effect when hiding/unhiding. And a pony. |
| 18:15.37 | mason | But I guess your desire to know what context they have would require all joins to be shown. |
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| 18:16.03 | phogg | mason: You will. Someone joins, then says something that seems in reference to the current topic. You need to know he hasn't seen more than a line or two to understand where he's coming from. |
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| 18:16.28 | phogg | I guess not everybody cares about that, but for those who do it's a reason to always have joins on. |
| 18:16.33 | jelly | sorry. accordion effect? |
| 18:17.06 | greycat | xylophone. |
| 18:17.25 | jelly | tubular bells! |
| 18:17.31 | phogg | jelly: a sufficiently rich client could do it. Is chatzilla still a thing? Adding glitz with user scripts is relatively easy with Mozilla. |
| 18:18.14 | mason | jelly: You want your client to spit pea soup as a notification mechanism? |
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| 18:18.43 | jelly | hexchat, but pango library doesn't seem to have enough 2d or 3d effects |
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| 18:19.00 | mason | "What's that nozzle?" "It's for my IRC plug-ins." |
| 18:19.05 | greycat | jelly: https://www.derpibooru.org/565055?q=ascii |
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| 18:20.04 | phogg | mason: Only if you're using TalkSoup.app |
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| 18:22.00 | cheapie | greycat: Pictures of ASCII art... good to know we've come full-circle :P |
| 18:22.44 | greycat | I'm guessing there's a way to get the actual ASCII without just retyping it but that was more effort than I was willing to put into the search. |
| 18:23.12 | greycat | (not pure ASCII, obviously; I see at least some Latin-1 and something I don't recognize at all for the eye) |
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| 18:25.25 | cheapie | U+25D5, "circle will all but upper left quadrant black" |
| 18:25.33 | cheapie | â |
| 18:25.40 | greycat | definitely not in Kansas any more |
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| 18:26.25 | mason | I much prefer xim, where you type a sequence reminiscent of the character... Not that I can think of a logical sequence for that three-quarters-dark circle. |
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| 18:29.07 | jelly | greycat: my /etc/issue on applejack.k.o has xterm colors and is clearly superior |
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| 18:33.05 | jelly | but the colors only shine if you use selection https://i.imgur.com/xFZl6Us.png |
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| 18:41.16 | jelly | but that VM is wheezy and decommisioned soon, no more need for applejack ascii |
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| 19:59.54 | pathfinder__ | Hi all! |
| 19:59.59 | kst_ | half an hour and i'm free to go home. not enough for meaningful work, too much to waste. |
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| 20:00.09 | kst_ | ahoi pathfinder__ |
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| 20:02.14 | Devastator | I forgot the factoid that show how to install php7.1 on debian 9.4, does anybody know? |
| 20:03.33 | greycat | ,v php |
| 20:03.34 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+60; sid: 1:7.2+60 |
| 20:03.48 | greycat | No backports at all? Fun. |
| 20:03.58 | kst_ | yeah, but wasn't there a backports project? |
| 20:04.14 | kst_ | apt-get -t stretch-backports install "php" or something |
| 20:04.15 | greycat | Sure, lots of packages have backports. |
| 20:04.33 | greycat | ,v php-fpm |
| 20:04.35 | judd | Package: php-fpm on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+60; sid: 1:7.2+60 |
| 20:04.40 | greycat | Not these ones, though! |
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| 20:04.52 | kst_ | that sad |
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| 20:05.28 | greycat | Sad is a project being written in a new version of PHP. |
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| 20:05.59 | greycat | Or any version of PHP, but at least with older versions of PHP we can use the excuse that it's legacy code. |
| 20:06.00 | kst_ | you can always use this third party repository: deb https://packages.sury.org/php/ stretch main |
| 20:06.24 | kst_ | it's what i used for apache, php and some stuff like it |
| 20:06.51 | Devastator | yes! sury |
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| 20:07.07 | Devastator | there was a factoid mentioning that url |
| 20:07.09 | kst_ | root@cybercowboy:~# php -v | awk '/^PHP/ {print $1, $2}' |
| 20:07.10 | kst_ | PHP 7.2.3-1+0~20180306120016.19+stretch~1.gbp81bf3b |
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| 20:07.40 | casoe | does anyone in here know where to find a apt repo for the newest openvpn like http://build.openvpn.net/debian/openvpn ( found here https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenvpnSoftwareRepos ) for arm ( rasbianpi ) |
| 20:07.57 | greycat | because installing third party debs of the worst programming language ever created (other than ones specifically TRYING to be horrible, like brainfuck) on a Stable machine is ... |
| 20:08.14 | casoe | btw the pi is running debian stretch |
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| 20:08.29 | kst_ | greycat: no, you are right, if you install php you might as well use a third party package |
| 20:08.53 | kst_ | greycat: you are doomed in any case |
| 20:09.02 | kst_ | DOOOOOMED! (: |
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| 20:09.56 | kst_ | and by doomed i mean fsck'ed of course |
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| 20:10.55 | kst_ | wasn't there some math fuckery in php once? i think i remember faintly that everyone laughed about it for a while |
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| 20:11.43 | kst_ | casoe: it's hard to maintain, but you can always build from source |
| 20:13.28 | casoe | kst_: Thanks unfortunally first of all compiling on a pi is to painfull slow and over time kill the sd card because of all those writes etc, and also it will be to unsecure if I forget to rebuild when there is a newer |
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| 20:14.15 | casoe | kst_: Guess that I need to find another server to use |
| 20:14.15 | Devastator | which package replaces php-xml-parser in stretch? |
| 20:14.33 | kst_ | casoe: true for the security part, but for the sd part, unpack and build using a ramdisk (tmpfs), use -pipe for your compiler |
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| 20:15.14 | kst_ | well, no need for the pipe option, just use tmpfs |
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| 20:15.27 | zamba | when was systemd introduced in debian? |
| 20:15.32 | casoe | kst_: well the pi has so little ram that there are not any spare for the tmpfs unfortunally |
| 20:15.44 | annadane | jessie? |
| 20:15.52 | annadane | ~2013? not sure |
| 20:16.01 | dondelelcaro | zamba: the first upload was in April of 2010. |
| 20:16.10 | greycat | "Technology preview" of systemd in wheezy, but not in *real* use until jessie. |
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| 20:16.21 | vlt | asterismo_l: Good evening! Sync successful? |
| 20:16.27 | annadane | kind of like wayland |
| 20:16.36 | zamba | i'm currently running wheezy and have planned an upgrade in the next couple of months |
| 20:16.41 | zamba | will i get systemd or do i need to do anything? |
| 20:16.49 | zamba | do i need to do something, i meant to ask |
| 20:16.51 | dondelelcaro | (and the first unstable upload was in 2011) |
| 20:16.52 | greycat | If you upgrade to jessie without taking any specific steps, you will have systemd. |
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| 20:17.39 | kst_ | casoe: right, in that case, copy your system into a directory to your workstation, use qemu to chroot into it and build from there. or use a crosscompiler |
| 20:17.49 | greycat | The jessie upgrade notes have steps you can take to keep running sysvinit if that's your choice. But I wouldn't recommend relying on sysvinit going forward. It's not fully supported, and it's awful. |
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| 20:19.13 | kst_ | wouldn't insist on sysvinit either. what one really needs is a backup before the dist-upgrading gets real! |
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| 20:19.23 | greycat | backups are good. |
| 20:19.27 | casoe | kst_: crosscompiler ??? how does that work and thanks I will then look at qemu if I'm able to get that working on windows |
| 20:19.32 | annadane | *everyone* should have backups of some description |
| 20:19.41 | annadane | no matter what operating system you use |
| 20:19.50 | zamba | greycat: cool |
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| 20:20.38 | kst_ | casoe: a crosscompiler runs on one architecture, say sparc, and emits binarys for another, say mips |
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| 20:20.50 | kst_ | casoe: not as easy as the qemu thing |
| 20:21.00 | kst_ | casoe: https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation |
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| 20:21.39 | kst_ | casoe: read the "chrooting into target file systems" part |
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| 20:22.57 | casoe | kst_: unfortunally I dont have linux on the workstation and just noticed that qemu cant run on my desktop. Ether way thanks for the help. I think I just are going to find the money for another server to use instead of the pi |
| 20:23.12 | casoe | even that the pi were bought for the purpose |
| 20:23.36 | kst_ | casoe: what kind of pi do you have anyway? don't they come with 512mb of ram these days? |
| 20:25.12 | kst_ | wait, what? did you just say you don't have a linux workstation? *gasp* |
| 20:25.27 | casoe | its the pi 3 and yes its 1 gb but there is only 100 mb free and I dont like to take from that becaues it allready are using 90% |
| 20:26.05 | casoe | or its 927 mb ram because the rest is to grapich |
| 20:26.06 | kst_ | casoe: look closer into the output of the command free, it's likely that your used ram is mostly filecaches |
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| 20:26.52 | kst_ | these will be removed if ram is needed for real stuff |
| 20:27.26 | casoe | yeah okay.. |
| 20:27.59 | casoe | and your right 691 mb is available out of 927 mb total |
| 20:28.04 | tw | kst_: microSD is notoriously bad at random io performance. The raspberry pi platform is no exception. |
| 20:28.47 | kst_ | tw: right, that's why i would compile in a tmpfs and only then install to disk |
| 20:29.23 | asterismo_l | vlt, i screwed up |
| 20:29.33 | kst_ | then again, so it takes a few seconds more, who cares! and if the sd card dies, which is unlikely i believe, you get a new one, right? |
| 20:29.54 | kst_ | they are cheap enough, like 15 euros for 32GB or so |
| 20:30.14 | casoe | kst_: where do you buy them? |
| 20:30.25 | kst_ | amazon.de? |
| 20:30.31 | asterismo_l | i was going to physically reorder the disks inside the server, so manually failed and removed the disk i was about to unplug, and umplug the other!!! by mistake!!! |
| 20:30.54 | casoe | I have payed around 15$ for the 32 gb card there is in it |
| 20:31.02 | tw | gstreamer rebuild on pi3 can easily take 30 minutes or more. I always do that in qemu-user these days. |
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| 20:31.25 | tw | 5-10 minutes maybe. |
| 20:31.36 | casoe | tw unfortunally found out qemu cant run on my windows desktop |
| 20:31.38 | asterismo_l | so the system went without disk for 10 seconds and afterwards there were Input/Output errors everywhere. I panic and shutdown the server |
| 20:31.53 | kst_ | casoe: well, we eurodudes have to pay taxes and such, that's why our prices seem to be higher |
| 20:32.00 | tw | casoe: if it's just a one-time build, wait it out. |
| 20:32.04 | tw | it's not that long. |
| 20:32.26 | tw | Otherwise use the version in apt, which is not that old. |
| 20:32.28 | asterismo_l | before that i tried to reattach the raid member i removed but it failed with I/O errors |
| 20:32.42 | casoe | tw: well its a one time build til next time openvpn are getting upgraded |
| 20:33.26 | asterismo_l | vlt, current status is now i booted into a live cd, and i guess i'll try to reassemble the raid and install grub in both disks |
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| 20:34.07 | casoe | tw: unfortunally I have seen to many times that difference versions of openvpn stops worling together, thats why I want to keep them on the newest all time now adays |
| 20:34.14 | tw | casoe: and you can't use the openvpn in backports because it's one point-revision behind upstream? |
| 20:34.17 | asterismo_l | i have a sane drive (the one i removed safely, sdc) |
| 20:34.37 | asterismo_l | and sda that i unplugged when running |
| 20:34.44 | tw | I'm using all kinds of different versions of openvpn and haven't run into that problem before. |
| 20:34.46 | asterismo_l | i hope i did not broke anything |
| 20:35.05 | kst_ | casoe: good luck m8, gotta go |
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| 20:35.45 | asterismo_l | vlt, in case you still want to help me, i need to rebuild the raid in a live usb system |
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| 20:38.17 | casoe | tw: well at work there are we having one server there cant talk to the main openvpn network because its to old ( and the boss wont pay what it cost to get it swtched out ) so there we had to create a brigde with a older openvpn server |
| 20:38.26 | casoe | luckly not on the internet |
| 20:38.52 | casoe | and thats why I'm so worried about differrence versions after I have seen that |
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| 20:39.30 | daze | One can install a specific package version with `apt install package=version`. What is the syntax for "version this or greater"? |
| 20:39.42 | tw | casoe: Well, I would try it first. |
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| 20:39.49 | tw | it'd save a lot of headache if it worked. |
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| 20:40.41 | casoe | else I think I would look into getting qemu working on my vps because I hope it's posible in a terminal only |
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| 20:41.28 | jhutchins_wk | daze: AFIK Debian only keeps the current version of a package in the repo. Snapshot keeps the old ones. |
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| 20:42.10 | jhutchins_wk | daze: RedHat & Co., on the other hand, keep EVERY version of EVERY package for a given release. This has the effect of allowing rollbacks/downgrades, but also makes the repos rather cumbersome. |
| 20:43.15 | jhutchins_wk | !snapshot |
| 20:43.15 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 20:45.21 | casoe | :/ ohh right I dont have the space on the vps for the image guess then okay I have to go with the one from apt repo untul I get another server to replace it with |
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| 20:50.16 | casoe | tw: sorry to ask do you remember how to activate the openvpn config |
| 20:56.12 | daze | jhutchins_wk: that's why I want to tell it to install version 1.0.2 or newer. Stable has 1.0.1, testing has 1.0.2, so I need to define the version today, but one day stable might have 2.5 and 1.0.2 might not be in the repos at all. So I want to say package='>=1.0.2', but that doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:56.13 | casoe | thinks damn she hates systemd |
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| 20:58.17 | asterismo_l | vlt, are you there? |
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| 21:03.44 | alkisg | daze: if you install with package=version, this doesn't prevent the package from being normally updated |
| 21:04.33 | daze | alkisg: ok, that's good. But what if later on the 'version' will not be in any repo? |
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| 21:04.56 | alkisg | daze: if you install=1, and 2 is in the repos, and you apt-get update, you get 2 |
| 21:05.01 | alkisg | Installing is not pinning |
| 21:05.09 | daze | (I'm writing an ansible system setup script) |
| 21:05.10 | alkisg | You get 2 even if it's on the same day |
| 21:05.26 | alkisg | Aaah |
| 21:05.38 | alkisg | Then check the output of apt policy before using =version |
| 21:05.42 | alkisg | There's no >=version |
| 21:05.53 | jelly | you meant upgrade, apt-get update won't install anything |
| 21:06.12 | greycat | I'm very confused, not having followed this whole thread. You want to ensure that package foo version >= 1.2 gets installed, right? So you create a local package using equivs that Depends: foobar >= 1.2. Install that. Done. |
| 21:06.21 | greycat | err, foobar/foo |
| 21:07.05 | daze | oh, that could work |
| 21:07.09 | daze | thanks, greycat ;) |
| 21:08.19 | jelly | and then never remove that local package, lest all the useful stuff gets removed as well |
| 21:08.34 | greycat | obviously :) |
| 21:09.00 | casoe | tw thanks alot I think it works for now with the one from the apt repo |
| 21:09.44 | casoe | and I did find the systemd command to enable and start the client. Then I just hope that it wont breake in a few month |
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| 22:54.43 | _spOOn_ | hey guys, is there any way to use the testing/unstable install media to install stable? |
| 22:54.57 | _spOOn_ | the reason I ask is I need driver support for a raid controller |
| 22:55.02 | _spOOn_ | which only comes in 4.10+ |
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| 22:55.36 | annadane | _spOOn_, the newer kernel is in stretch-backports |
| 22:55.52 | annadane | so you can just use regular old stable + that backport |
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| 23:01.25 | _spOOn_ | annadane: thanks, but the install environment doesn't have backports |
| 23:01.38 | _spOOn_ | and therefore doesn't have the drivers I need to detect disk and partition etc |
| 23:01.49 | _spOOn_ | once installed, I'd be all good |
| 23:02.01 | _spOOn_ | guess my question is around actually getting the install done... |
| 23:02.17 | somiaj | a manuall install using debootstrap from a system with a newer kernel? |
| 23:03.02 | _spOOn_ | hmm, okies |
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| 23:04.19 | ksk | there are also some unofficial install media available, eg with unfree drivers included, but I dunno which kernel they use. |
| 23:04.43 | _spOOn_ | ksk: yeah, tried them thanks, but still 4.9 (or at least the ones I've tried)... |
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| 23:05.01 | _spOOn_ | I've not done the debootstrap thing before |
| 23:05.05 | somiaj | check the testing netboot (or PXE boot), this may have the testing installer/newer kernel, and can install anything |
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| 23:05.14 | ksk | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ yeah, sounds reasonable they have just normal "release kernel" |
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| 23:05.19 | _spOOn_ | somiaj: yes, it does |
| 23:05.27 | _spOOn_ | that was my question |
| 23:05.30 | _spOOn_ | if I use that |
| 23:05.33 | somiaj | so the netboot PXE installer actually lets you pick which release to install during the process, unlike the netinstaller, it won't contain a base system, so it lets you choos which one. |
| 23:05.34 | _spOOn_ | can I deploy stable |
| 23:05.47 | somiaj | afiak, if it is the pxe netboot (not the netinstaller) I think you can. |
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| 23:05.56 | _spOOn_ | and chroot and add backports |
| 23:05.59 | _spOOn_ | upgrade kernel |
| 23:06.01 | _spOOn_ | etc etc |
| 23:06.06 | somiaj | you could also look at the release notes, at the 'flexiable method' for creating a usbstick |
| 23:06.20 | _spOOn_ | somiaj: okies, thanks |
| 23:06.23 | _spOOn_ | will give that a go |
| 23:06.26 | somiaj | I think in this process you need to copy over a vmlinuz image, and use syslinux, you might be able to get a stable usb installer with a newer kernel this way. |
| 23:06.40 | somiaj | and you could grab the vmlinuz images from testing |
| 23:06.43 | _spOOn_ | somiaj: thanks |
| 23:06.48 | ksk | a manual install with debootstrap is not that hard either, you just need some parted magic and you are basicly done (plus the debootstrap call, and grub-install) |
| 23:07.12 | _spOOn_ | ksk: yup, comfortable with that, use it a fair bit with gentoo |
| 23:07.15 | somiaj | so there are two alternatives that may work, and deboostrap from a newer system and manually install will work as a third, the first two should at least let you use the debian installer. |
| 23:07.18 | _spOOn_ | just never done the "debian" way |
| 23:07.54 | ksk | I once tried to do it with arch and failed :D |
| 23:07.59 | _spOOn_ | hehe |
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| 23:08.10 | somiaj | a few steps were missed, but if okay working from the cli in a chroot, debootstrap, mount --bind /proc, /dev/, /sys into the chroot, chroot into your install, install a kernel, install grub, write an fstab file so things get mounted at boot. |
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| 23:08.30 | ksk | :) |
| 23:08.33 | somiaj | the install grub into the mbr/efi partition, and then configure the firmware to boot |
| 23:08.50 | somiaj | and do any other little thing you may want that the installer would have done |
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| 23:35.29 | donald | I used to get the message http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2bbbbdb6 since a long time at boot. Now my computer is slow and my processor can become hot easely. have I to change the processor? |
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| 23:51.50 | lukma | Dear all, |
| 23:52.27 | lukma | Is there any tool which allows installing packages (with version) on both deb and rpm based systems? |
| 23:52.36 | klys | alien |
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| 23:53.17 | lukma | I do need to install some packages with versions on various systems |
| 23:53.54 | annadane | flatpak...? |
| 23:53.56 | annadane | has no idea |
| 23:54.17 | petemc | why not use the correct package format for the system you install on? |
| 23:54.55 | lukma | petemc: I do not know if I will need to prepare fedora |
| 23:54.59 | lukma | Debian, ubuntu |
| 23:55.02 | lukma | or RHEL |
| 23:55.14 | donald | lukama did you check virtualenv? it does not seem to do swhat you want |
| 23:55.15 | lukma | or other...... (Gentoo..) |
| 23:55.30 | donald | ah of course |
| 23:55.34 | donald | hmm |
| 23:55.49 | lukma | The goal is: |
| 23:55.54 | donald | rpm + virtualenv but not sure for .deb |
| 23:55.55 | lukma | I do have a package version |
| 23:56.17 | lukma | and I want to install it on debian / ubuntu / fedora /rhel |
| 23:56.36 | lukma | One solution - shell script with apt / rpm detection |
| 23:56.40 | lukma | and then use native tools |
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| 23:57.06 | lukma | but I'm wondering if I'm not re-inventing the wheel here |
| 23:57.29 | petemc | no, checking os and using appropriate tool is common |
| 23:57.37 | oo_miguel | how can I tell pkg-config to use the distros version of a lib instead of the one in /usr/local ? |
| 23:58.08 | klys | lukma, just make packages for each system |
| 23:58.23 | annadane | that probably sounds the most sane |
| 23:58.52 | lukma | klys: I would prefer to download binaries.... |
| 23:59.04 | lukma | like I do need to install some gui stuff |
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| 23:59.28 | klys | lukma, then configure your preinst scripts to download your binaries and check the signaitures |
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