| 00:00.27 | Time-Warp | anyone know any radar forcast packages for debian |
| 00:00.28 | Time-Warp | lol |
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| 00:00.53 | lukma | klys: And how it is with available versions? With apt-policy I can install proper tools |
| 00:01.11 | klys | time-warp, https://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
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| 00:02.02 | klys | lukma, if you make a package you can configure your deps to which ever versions you need. |
| 00:03.43 | petemc | as to whether they're installable.. |
| 00:04.57 | Time-Warp | thanks klys |
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| 00:05.04 | klys | :) |
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| 00:06.20 | lukma | klys: But I would like to reuse as much as I can |
| 00:06.33 | lukma | to make a package I do need to compile them - of course |
| 00:06.45 | lukma | and their dependencies |
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| 00:07.21 | lukma | I would like to have some other solution -> say to apt-get install package_foo-1.2.3 and then it will solve dependencies for me |
| 00:07.22 | klys | lukma, you're not going to get anywhere hijacking your clients' machines and running packaging tools on them. |
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| 00:09.12 | petemc | ensure package_foo-1.2.3 is compiled to use the versions of the libraries you plan to need on the platforms you target |
| 00:09.57 | petemc | s/need/use/ |
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| 00:13.50 | lukma | petemc: Hmm..... |
| 00:14.22 | lukma | Then it seems to me that I cannot assure that libX.verY will work with package-foo-1.2.3 |
| 00:14.44 | lukma | The only reliable way seems to either: |
| 00:14.44 | lukma | Compile the stuff from source |
| 00:14.48 | lukma | or |
| 00:15.05 | lukma | Provide a VM image......... |
| 00:15.37 | petemc | this is indeed not a new problem |
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| 00:20.45 | somiaj | lukma: maybe provide a more detailed case you want as opposed to being vague. I think apt can work with .deb packages, thoug provided you have the depends are satsifiable, dpkg -i foo.deb followed by apt -f install will usually find and download the required depends, if they are satsifiable. |
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| 00:22.34 | somiaj | oh, you are wanting to make a more generic package. In general it is probably best to compile the package for each system you need to install it on, using the tools for that system. Though there are various ways to make a static linked style binary that can run on multiple systems. Something like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppImage, but this as mentioned isn't really depbian, and in general I think |
| 00:22.40 | somiaj | it is best to build the software for each system y ou need it on indvidually. |
| 00:23.15 | godane | i'm trying to chroot into a debootstrap x86_64 on i386 |
| 00:23.29 | somiaj | godane: did you install an amd64 kernel on i386? |
| 00:23.41 | godane | i get this error with ldconfig : qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped |
| 00:23.53 | godane | no amd64 kernel |
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| 00:24.13 | awal1 | ok solved (about:config --» extension.pocket.enabled ---» double clic = value false) if any one interested |
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| 00:24.24 | somiaj | godane: so you are trying to use qemu-static for this? Does your cpu support 64bit extensions? |
| 00:24.26 | godane | i'm using i386 host and trying build a debootstrap of x86_64 |
| 00:24.31 | godane | yes |
| 00:24.44 | godane | its a computer i got from 2015 |
| 00:24.53 | godane | AMD A10 |
| 00:25.06 | somiaj | I would just install a 64bit kernel, it will make thigns easier and not have to use qemu to emulate x86_64, the i386 port of debian contains 64bit kernels. |
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| 00:26.31 | somiaj | hmm, maybe you just need to get it with multiarch these days, but I recall an i386 kernel package that was compiled with 64bit extensions for just this purpose. |
| 00:27.27 | godane | how do you install a amd64 kernel on i386 host? |
| 00:27.37 | somiaj | though maybe you just need to add amd64 as the arch, then install linux-image-amd64:amd64, and then boot from that kernel. You can boot into a 32bit user land with a 64bit kernel, and then easily chroot into 64bit installs with otu qemu |
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| 00:28.25 | godane | i run a custom slax linux-live scripts |
| 00:28.28 | somiaj | yea, looks like you shoudl just use multiarch to install a 64bit kernel, the older packages I recally must be from while multiarch was still in development. |
| 00:28.39 | somiaj | and what does that have to do with debian? |
| 00:28.42 | godane | i need to do it in debian debootstrap to build aufs |
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| 00:29.01 | godane | no aufs or linux-live initramfs my system will not boot |
| 00:29.05 | somiaj | ahh, yea, just get yourself a 64bit kernel, and it will be easy to make a 64bit chroot. |
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| 00:47.12 | stevendale | Hi |
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| 00:48.30 | godane | somiaj: now i can't remove amd64 arch |
| 00:49.31 | donald | godane what do you want to do? |
| 00:49.44 | godane | i'm only trying amd64 to recompile kiwix-serve to see if a segment fault was cause by compiling it on 32-bit |
| 00:50.29 | godane | i was hoping to do a debootstrap of amd64 and build a squashfs file |
| 00:50.48 | godane | then i can build the linux-live stuff too that way |
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| 01:01.27 | somiaj | godane: so? You have to explicity state :amd64 to install stuff from it. You would have to remove all amd64 packages, including that kernel to remove the arch. |
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| 01:05.05 | stevendale | How do I enable the security repo? o3o |
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| 01:08.30 | somiaj | !security.debian.org |
| 01:08.31 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 01:08.36 | somiaj | stevendale: usually it is setup by the installer |
| 01:09.42 | stevendale | What's the difference between aptitude and apt-get |
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| 01:19.01 | somiaj | stevendale: there use to be a lot more, but they mostly have simlar features. aptitude has a full gui (ncurses) client, and has some very powerful search features. In general aptitude is slower than apt-get, but aptitude can sometimes figure out stuff apt-get cannot. Most dist-upgrades these days prefer apt-get over aptitude as another difference. |
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| 02:14.37 | asterismo_m | hi |
| 02:14.42 | dvs | zzzzzz |
| 02:14.55 | asterismo_m | vlt, are you there? |
| 02:15.25 | dvs | in spirit |
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| 03:04.26 | keantoken | I have a circular dependencies problem with the nvidia drivers... |
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| 03:07.19 | holycow | hi |
| 03:07.44 | holycow | anyone here manage to get a debian vm guest running on qemu access gpu passthrough resources successfully? |
| 03:08.07 | holycow | windows guests can access gpu passthrough just fine but I cannot get any version of debian guests to do so |
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| 06:21.04 | vlt | asterismo_l: Ouch! |
| 06:21.11 | vlt | asterismo_l: Good morning! |
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| 06:22.06 | vlt | asterismo_l: I'm confident we'll be able to rescue this. |
| 06:23.02 | vlt | asterismo_l: I made this exact mistake myself a ew years ago. In preparation: We might need mdadm's --assume-clean option ;-) |
| 06:23.39 | vlt | asterismo_l: I should be here until 17:00 UTC. |
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| 06:52.13 | umbridge | Hi |
| 06:53.43 | umbridge | lately, sometimes when upgrade packages, I get this error message in relation to update-initramfs: WARNING: Unknown X keysym "dead_belowmacron" |
| 06:54.00 | umbridge | otherwise all systems are nominal :P |
| 06:54.19 | umbridge | any idea what that could be? |
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| 07:00.49 | lh_ideapad | it looks like that I have found a bug in `checkinstall`, where should I report it? I am getting errors at https://bugtrack.izto.org:4442/ . |
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| 07:01.35 | lh_ideapad | I added `--addso=yes` to `checkinstall` and made a DEB package. The package looks good, except for the `postinstall` script. |
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| 07:02.13 | lh_ideapad | The script is here: https://pastebin.com/gemqVD3J |
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| 07:03.29 | lh_ideapad | The shebang requires `/bin/sh`, but the redirection of both stdout and stderr on line 6 (the `&>` syntax) is specific to bash. So the condition never yields true (returning zero). |
| 07:04.15 | lh_ideapad | Eventually, each time this DEB package is installed, a new entry is appended to `/etc/ld.so.conf`, which I have to clean up periodically. o_O |
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| 07:11.52 | lh_ideapad | Solution: Edit `/usr/bin/checkinstall`, goto line 1978, replace `&> /dev/null` with `>/dev/null 2>&1`. |
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| 07:16.42 | starsnet | hi all) |
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| 07:34.43 | umbridge | Hi, I don't mean to be a pain, but my irc client was misconfigured and didn't show earlier lines... In case my question was already answered, might someone paste it again? You could send it privately, so it doesn't clutter the chat. Thanks! |
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| 07:38.25 | starsnet | hi all |
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| 07:38.51 | starsnet | know anybody - where in debian start xfce4 dm ? |
| 07:39.07 | lh_ideapad | umbridge, I haven't seen any new messages about your question since I joined here. |
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| 07:39.43 | lh_ideapad | that is, about 40 minutes. |
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| 07:44.34 | l0nl3y | why my kai says unable to locate package when my reposiories are well updated |
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| 07:46.35 | umbridge | thanks lh_ideapad! |
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| 07:48.44 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 07:48.44 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 07:48.49 | jelly | lh_ideapad: ^ |
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| 07:55.51 | lh_ideapad | jelly, thanks. |
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| 07:59.15 | starsnet | don't know about XFCE4 ? |
| 07:59.48 | lh_ideapad | no I don't know anything about it. |
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| 08:13.49 | umbridge | bye |
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| 08:21.29 | lh_ideapad | jelly, can I send the bug report mail by hand? MTA does not working properly. |
| 08:22.39 | lh_ideapad | oh I have got the acknowledgement. I thought it was dropped. |
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| 08:30.24 | _k0ala_ | is that to sort of "say" when it are the first 446 bytes, and when it are the last 64 bytes? |
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| 08:37.16 | jelly | _k0ala_: which two bytes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record#Sector_layout |
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| 08:40.10 | _k0ala_ | jelly: got it, the boot signature. ty. |
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| 08:52.22 | dcpc007 | hi, what is the difference between checkrestart and needrestart please (deb 8), they don't return the same answer for what i should restart |
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| 08:53.31 | dcpc007 | and herer with needrestart, i do yes for cron.d and he ask me again to restart if i recheck ... |
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| 08:54.04 | dcpc007 | journaltcl shows me the restart |
| 08:54.06 | jelly | dcpc007: they do similar things but are not necessarily complete or 100% correct |
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| 08:55.18 | dcpc007 | after my last apt upgrade (+restart services), checkrestart ask me 5 services, and needrestart reboot for kernel + 1 service .... |
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| 08:56.31 | dcpc007 | hey, needrestart -v shows me that sshd process use obsolete nbinary but he don't asks me to restart the process ??? |
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| 08:57.06 | dcpc007 | ha ok, "is ignored : part of the user session" |
| 08:57.11 | jelly | probably because that process is a child and holds some user's session |
| 08:57.37 | dcpc007 | check restart ask me to do service ssh restart :) |
| 08:57.57 | dcpc007 | any advice on which to use ? i think both is confusing ... |
| 08:58.16 | dcpc007 | and is there some news again when we'll go debian 9 ? |
| 08:58.32 | jelly | uh, debian 9 has been released last year |
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| 08:58.58 | dcpc007 | lol if you want, near all my prod servers are debian 7 |
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| 08:59.20 | dcpc007 | no answers from all my alert email on the need to upgrade |
| 08:59.20 | jelly | wheezy-lts is EOL'd in two months |
| 08:59.40 | dcpc007 | yes and some compoent are KO since a longer time like tomcat |
| 08:59.49 | jelly | tomcat is easy to upgrade |
| 08:59.50 | dcpc007 | i forward the official emails |
| 09:00.00 | dcpc007 | lol not for our configs :) |
| 09:00.13 | dcpc007 | all debian 7 are a "quick" answer to take back very older servers |
| 09:00.46 | dcpc007 | but with minimal work, like we take the code from 2004-2010 servers and put on "new" servers, trying to have the less modiciations to do |
| 09:01.11 | dcpc007 | then, it's often tomcat 5-6 code, migrated on tomcat 7 ... and was bad code |
| 09:01.34 | dcpc007 | i asked to recreate applications (and in the same time have a good and modern one) but they decline |
| 09:02.01 | dcpc007 | now, i wait the next step and do the next upgrade ... no answer.. stuck in deb 7 :(' |
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| 09:02.34 | dcpc007 | and hard to evaluate the work deb7 -> deb 8 will ask |
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| 09:03.03 | jelly | eh, I have like 80 outdated debian installs. 25 or so are older than wheezy |
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| 09:30.54 | w3gi | hi. i have a local testserver with apache2, mariadb and php... how do i disable the default-charsets? i have multiple projects and they use multiple encodings |
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| 09:31.37 | w3gi | so i need to config the server so, that iso-8859-1 works the same as utf-8 |
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| 09:32.54 | w3gi | i tryed in the apache2.conf to add: AddDefaultCharset Off but that dont helo |
| 09:32.57 | w3gi | help |
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| 09:44.10 | somiaj | w3gi: dpkg-reconfigure locales, is the systemwide default set to None? |
| 09:44.51 | eeewww | How do i remap an usb device? |
| 09:45.33 | eeewww | I have a pedal and i would like to assign it some keys |
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| 09:45.45 | w3gi | somiaj, no - de utf-8 |
| 09:46.33 | somiaj | w3gi: Some suggest setting that to None giving indvidual shells the ability to more easily set their own locale fro those you have avaiable. Second, did you have the locales selected to be built that you wanted to use? |
| 09:46.53 | w3gi | i am talking about apache2 |
| 09:46.54 | somiaj | but maybe setting that No will help apache beable to switch back and forth, here i'm not that sure on the details. |
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| 09:47.33 | somiaj | was the iso-8859-1 characterset you wanted to use selected to be built when you reconfigured the locales. |
| 09:48.10 | w3gi | that dont work so... |
| 09:48.42 | w3gi | i have cca. 80 projects on my test-server and they use 4 or 5 different encodings |
| 09:49.05 | somiaj | and you awnt to be able to set the encoding for each virtual domain? |
| 09:49.24 | somiaj | or is it more some directories will use one encoding and other directories will use another? |
| 09:49.25 | w3gi | i never used virt. domains |
| 09:49.47 | w3gi | i have all client projects in folders, thats it |
| 09:50.08 | w3gi | i dont want to configure apache always when i have a new project |
| 09:50.30 | somiaj | okay, just trying to get a sense of your setup so I can know what to better google |
| 09:50.47 | w3gi | plain standard installation |
| 09:51.37 | w3gi | no changes till now - all as i came from the repository |
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| 09:52.29 | w3gi | in /var/www/html i have folders... e.g.: 2017/berger/ or 2018/müller_gmbh/ |
| 09:52.44 | w3gi | in the folders are the projects |
| 09:53.10 | somiaj | I think you can put an .htaccess in each directory to force character sets for that directory if the files aren't setting it up correctly. |
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| 09:53.43 | w3gi | the files contain meta-tags |
| 09:54.04 | somiaj | So maybe things like AddCharset or other such options there. |
| 09:54.06 | w3gi | but the broser ignore them because apache send a utf-8 encosing in the header |
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| 09:56.11 | w3gi | as i told i set: AddDefaultCharset Off |
| 09:56.19 | w3gi | bu no effect so far |
| 09:56.55 | eeewww | i can only found guides for ubuntu for keyboard remapping |
| 09:57.29 | somiaj | well go to one of your directories you want to change the character set and try something like AddCharset ISO-8859-1 .html (or whatever you call the file names) and at least see if that will make all files in that directory report that characterset |
| 10:00.07 | somiaj | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_autoindex.html#indexoptions, hmm maybe for a per directory setting you need something like IndexOptions Charset=UTF-8 in the .htaccess for the directory |
| 10:01.12 | jelly | w3gi: are all those projects under the same VirtualHost? |
| 10:01.13 | somiaj | oh nevermind, IndexOptions would only be for the directory page apache generates. |
| 10:02.04 | jelly | and which debian release is this |
| 10:02.34 | w3gi | yes they are... 9.4 |
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| 10:28.17 | phinxy | eeewww⢠Tru. |
| 10:28.40 | Haohmaru | i can confirm that too :/ |
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| 10:34.15 | jelly | w3gi: and your apps provide correct Content-Encoding headers that are clobbered by apache? |
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| 10:41.29 | w3gi | i found it... i set in the php.ini the default_encoding = "" |
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| 10:51.00 | diveyez | That mirror is garbage |
| 10:51.10 | diveyez | Need to have a talk with them, or pull it |
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| 11:12.45 | jeff123 | inook did you try ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/openbox#Configuration |
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| 11:37.26 | hexnewbie | What would be a character map program that can display all characters matching a search string for Debian Stretch? gucharmap can only search character at a time, and Debian Jessie has kcharselect, but that crashes on Stretch |
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| 11:38.06 | BCMM | hexnewbie: hmm, kcharselect shouldn't be crashing... |
| 11:38.15 | BCMM | does it do it on startup, or when you do some specific action, or what? |
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| 11:40.14 | hexnewbie | BCMM: When you select a large character set or type any search string (Debian bug 869116, which is marked fixed for some confusing reason) |
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| 11:42.08 | BCMM | hexnewbie: have you tried the suggested workaround? (at-spi) |
| 11:42.15 | hexnewbie | BCMM: The workaround from the bug to kill at-spi2-registryd and at-spi-bus-launcher works, though. (I only now found the bug report now) |
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| 11:43.20 | hexnewbie | BCMM: Yeah. That works, I guess I'll dpkg-statoverride those to non-executable for now (apt-get removing the package seems to have too many side-effects for me) |
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| 11:53.28 | eugenmayer | cat <> /tmp/logpipe 1>&2 what does this mean, does stderr gets redirected to stdout? |
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| 12:14.19 | vlt | asterismo_l: back |
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| 12:15.27 | vlt | eugenmayer: To me "1>&2" looks like redirecting stdout to stderr. |
| 12:15.49 | asterismo_l | vlt, i could not recover the raid from any of the new disks, i had to recover it from the sane old remaining disk (the 500gb one) |
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| 12:16.22 | asterismo_l | vlt, inside the crypto partition of 1tb nothing appeared |
| 12:16.39 | asterismo_l | like there was no data, an empty partition |
| 12:16.50 | vlt | asterismo_l: After you did what? |
| 12:17.48 | asterismo_l | after i managed to boot to a live cd using the raid member (the one i did not unplug running) |
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| 12:24.39 | Devastator | good morning, I'm trying to find php-xml-parser for stretch, how can I search what replaced it? |
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| 12:32.40 | vlt | asterismo_l: The one you didn't unplug was the one you had marked as failed and then removed earlier? |
| 12:32.43 | Zathras | Devastator, https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/php-xml-parser |
| 12:33.15 | asterismo_l | vlt, yes |
| 12:33.29 | asterismo_l | so that drive was ok |
| 12:34.11 | Devastator | Zathras great, the package was removed :( |
| 12:34.19 | vlt | asterismo_l: And when you tried to --assemble or --run this, what happened? |
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| 12:36.55 | Devastator | what are my options to port php-xml-parser to stretch then? |
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| 12:40.02 | Zathras | Devastator, ask the php-pear team why it was removed. And/Or check the package snapshot archive. Or PEAR import it. Or package it yourself. Or look for an alternative |
| 12:40.19 | asterismo_l | vlt, it detected both raid partitions, and the cryptoluks |
| 12:40.27 | Devastator | Zathras thank you |
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| 12:40.42 | asterismo_l | i was able to unlock the cryptoluks but nothing was inside |
| 12:40.46 | Zathras | PEAR import sucks imho: yet another Eco system to maintain |
| 12:41.10 | vlt | asterismo_l: "Both partitions" is on disk layer while "cryptoluks" is on top of md. |
| 12:41.40 | vlt | asterismo_l: Did the raid devices run? (in degraded state) |
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| 12:41.46 | Zathras | then again: that way it might be maintained. The other options make you wonder |
| 12:41.48 | Devastator | Zathras I'm at a point I don't know if I should ask something in ##php or not |
| 12:41.50 | asterismo_l | in live cd, raid disk was detected |
| 12:42.01 | asterismo_l | boot on md/1 |
| 12:42.08 | asterismo_l | and md/2 |
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| 12:42.20 | asterismo_l | the cryptoluks |
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| 12:42.27 | Devastator | Zathras google isn't much helpful regarding a package for xml_parser2, which replaced xml_parser |
| 12:42.28 | Zathras | channel ##php is about php not packaging. So the answer will be PHP PEAR import |
| 12:42.34 | vlt | asterismo_l: boot on md1 was ok? What did `blkid` tell you about /dev/mapper/md2_crypt? |
| 12:42.48 | asterismo_l | after unlocking that, nothing appeared |
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| 12:43.32 | asterismo_l | i was unable to see any more partitions in /dev/mapper/md2_crypt |
| 12:43.49 | asterismo_l | which had other name under the live cd |
| 12:44.33 | asterismo_l | i was expecting a swap and a 500gb / partition, since the fill off to 1 tb was not complete |
| 12:44.58 | Zathras | Devastator, last version is of 2014. You do not want to develop based on that |
| 12:45.05 | Zathras | Devastator, last version is of 2014. You do not want to develop based on that |
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| 12:47.20 | giaco | hello |
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| 12:49.05 | giaco | how can I install a i386 package from apt on a x64 debian while preventing apt from installing every following packages in both architectures? |
| 12:50.31 | vlt | asterismo_l: There are no partitions on md2_crypt! |
| 12:50.49 | vlt | asterismo_l: And WHA did it have a different name? |
| 12:51.18 | vlt | asterismo_l: I'd prefer if you could give a bit more detail if what you did exactly after (screwing up) :-D |
| 12:51.23 | vlt | *WHY |
| 12:51.34 | vlt | *of |
| 12:51.37 | vlt | damnit |
| 12:52.14 | vlt | asterismo_l: md2_crypt is a physical source volume (PV) for LVM. |
| 12:53.00 | vlt | asterismo_l: Or at least should be. |
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| 12:58.38 | dob1 | hi, how can I list with iptables all the chains? |
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| 12:59.04 | dob1 | iptables -L gives me the input, forward and output one but if there are others? |
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| 13:02.08 | asterismo_l | vlt, i couldn't wait to restore it at least the way it was before, i'm traveling tomorrow and be back on sunday, and i didn't want to have the server down that long |
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| 13:02.27 | asterismo_l | i may try again everything we did |
| 13:02.34 | asterismo_l | and didn't finish |
| 13:02.46 | asterismo_l | i learned a lot |
| 13:02.55 | asterismo_l | and still have to |
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| 13:11.35 | vlt | asterismo_l: Ok, did you manage to install drub successfully and then boot? Does the server run like it should now? |
| 13:12.17 | asterismo_l | it runs like the old config, but in the new disks |
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| 13:13.15 | asterismo_l | i had to plug a screen to it, and i did it from other power plug, not the power backup |
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| 13:13.54 | asterismo_l | and it caused a couple of system hangs and freezes, possibly due to different grounding |
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| 13:14.33 | asterismo_l | and the disk had to fsck a couple of times before i was able to resync with the new drives |
| 13:14.51 | asterismo_l | i hope no data got corrupted |
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| 14:38.06 | mahafyi | Hello, I want o be rid of the 'Switch User' option in Gnome. I grepped for the term and made change in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.desktop.lockdown.gschema.xml but it did not do anything |
| 14:39.20 | alkisg | After changing the schemas you need to run glib-compile-schemas |
| 14:39.38 | alkisg | Also it's better to add an override instead of changing the shipped file |
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| 15:40.44 | mahafyi | alkisg, thank you. i have found the way with dconf, thanks to folks at #gnome |
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| 15:49.36 | CrystalMath | hi |
| 15:49.47 | CrystalMath | ever since the latest sid update, there seems to be some kind of problem with pam_systemd |
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| 15:52.10 | hypercore | what can i do with debian? |
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| 15:52.48 | greycat | same thing you do with any other operating system |
| 15:54.07 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 15:54.07 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:54.09 | annadane | CrystalMath, ^ |
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| 15:56.53 | gluon | which mailing list should i subscribe to know when gnome 3.28 is available in debian unstable? |
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| 15:57.44 | apollo13 | gluon: https://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.28-status.html might help |
| 15:57.57 | apollo13 | as for mailing list, dunno if they announce it at all |
| 15:58.04 | gluon | apollo13: thanks, that'll do |
| 15:58.10 | jhutchins_wk | !mailing list |
| 15:58.10 | dpkg | Mailing lists allow large numbers of people to share knowledge and experiences, these communications are also persistent. See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ . mbox archives are not provided via the web archive due to Listmaster team policy (Debian bug #161440), see <gmane>. For lists.debian.org questions, join #debian-lists on irc.oftc.net or e-mail listmaster@lists.debian.org. See also <list spam> and <subscribed>. |
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| 15:58.50 | jhutchins_wk | I'm pretty sure there's a package release mailing list. |
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| 16:00.07 | Irulan | Hello. Something deletes files from my computer, can anyone help me find out what ? |
| 16:00.19 | gluon | jhutchins_wk: i think only for stable, not unstable |
| 16:00.24 | Irulan | it's a VM running jessie on XenServer |
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| 16:01.05 | Irulan | /var/www/magento$ date ; ls -R 2>/dev/null | wc -l ; sleep 10 ; date ; ls -R 2>/dev/null | wc -l |
| 16:01.05 | Irulan | Thu Mar 15 17:00:40 CET 2018 |
| 16:01.05 | Irulan | 27382 |
| 16:01.05 | Irulan | Thu Mar 15 17:00:50 CET 2018 |
| 16:01.05 | Irulan | 27335 |
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| 16:01.44 | Irulan | something like 5 files per second are removed |
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| 16:03.37 | hypercore | greycat: insufficient |
| 16:03.38 | jhutchins_wk | Irulan: What files are being removed? From where? What is your hardware configuration (drives, etc)? Which release are you running? What software is running? |
| 16:04.11 | mahafyi | i ran man dconf , it says SEE ALSO dconf(7) , is there man page for dconf(7) , i am unable to do man dconf(7) |
| 16:04.32 | HKitain | man 7 dconf |
| 16:04.48 | Irulan | files from /var/www/magento (a dev folder). I'm running jessie. |
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| 16:05.01 | CrystalMath | does anyone else have libpam problems? |
| 16:05.09 | greycat | I doubt anyone in #debian will know what is removing files in your local web directory. |
| 16:05.23 | Irulan | Machine is a VM running on XenServer (on SSD drives) |
| 16:05.25 | greycat | CrystalMath: no, we mostly run stable here. Try #debian-next on OFTC. |
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| 16:05.35 | CrystalMath | greycat: oh... oops, yeah |
| 16:05.37 | CrystalMath | sorry |
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| 16:06.03 | Irulan | apache and mysql running, with standard tools (sshd ...) |
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| 16:06.28 | HKitain | https://askubuntu.com/questions/48844/how-to-find-the-pid-of-the-process-which-has-deleted-a-file this might help? |
| 16:06.29 | mahafyi | HKitain , thanks |
| 16:06.42 | BCMM | Irulan: https://superuser.com/questions/33781/see-history-of-who-all-opened-a-particular-file/33879#33879 |
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| 16:10.21 | jhutchins_wk | Irulan: There is nothing inherently "Debian" that would do that, and too many variables for us to be of much help. I would look for magento support to start troubleshooting it. |
| 16:10.36 | jhutchins_wk | Irulan: Most likely it's a process within the CMS. |
| 16:10.47 | greycat | Could be log rotation or something similar. |
| 16:10.53 | greycat | All we can do is guess. |
| 16:10.54 | Simonious_ | E: Unable to locate package php-bcmath <- I believe I need this, is there a way to ge tthis? |
| 16:11.08 | jhutchins_wk | ,v php-bcmath |
| 16:11.09 | judd | Package: php-bcmath on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+60; sid: 1:7.2+60 |
| 16:11.31 | Irulan | probably not magento related ; web server deosn't serve on the internet, and magento is broken due to many files missing |
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| 16:11.39 | Irulan | but files keeps vanishing |
| 16:11.45 | Simonious_ | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.10 (jessie) |
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| 16:12.12 | Simonious_ | jhutchins_wk: I don't understand your answer, is that a yes? was that instructions? |
| 16:12.16 | greycat | jessie doesn't have that package |
| 16:12.25 | Simonious_ | but stretch does? |
| 16:12.30 | greycat | you need to upgrade to stretch to get it, or find a backport, or create a backport, or compile upstream |
| 16:12.44 | Simonious_ | ok, I'll explore that, thanks |
| 16:13.00 | jhutchins_wk | Irulan: You can look in the logs - syslog, dmesg. If files really are spontaneously vanishing it could be a hardware problem. |
| 16:13.18 | greycat | Does not sound like a hardware problem to me. |
| 16:13.29 | greycat | Files being *corrupted*, now that could be HW. |
| 16:13.31 | Irulan | there's nothing in dmesg. I've stopped all non-essential units |
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| 16:16.55 | Irulan | well, I found it was /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server that gone mad |
| 16:17.30 | Irulan | even after a reboot : sshfs restored connection and destruction :/ |
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| 16:18.47 | greycat | you could set up an inotifywait on that directory to see what's being removed, but I don't think it shows you WHO is removing it |
| 16:19.42 | greycat | once you know the subdirectory involved, you could *consider* removing write permission from it, but that would also prevent creation/renaming which could break the app |
| 16:20.07 | Irulan | I tried auditd but got mostly git/ls entries |
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| 16:51.00 | HKitain | i need help getting a very barebones system to work |
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| 16:51.57 | greycat | what part isn't working? |
| 16:52.17 | HKitain | i don't have ifupdown or iproute2, or basically anything that isn't marked essential (thanks, multistrap) and i need to connect to the internet via dhcp |
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| 16:53.23 | HKitain | is there a way to connect without those? |
| 16:53.39 | greycat | You didn't install Debian. Try installing Debian. |
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| 16:54.43 | HKitain | is there a list of packages that are considered "installing debian"? |
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| 16:55.15 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:55.30 | greycat | !deboostrap |
| 16:55.33 | greycat | !debootstrap |
| 16:55.33 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 16:58.06 | HKitain | that's nice, i've read that page. I'm a little surprised that multistrap doesn't consider e.g. ifupdown an essential package |
| 16:58.24 | bites | if ifupdown isn't there systemd-networkd might be an option. |
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| 16:59.22 | HKitain | systemd...is not installed either. brilliant. so that's why my login's been all screwy. |
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| 16:59.53 | bites | oh, right, that's only priority important too. well, sucks. |
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| 17:00.59 | HKitain | can i ask it to just install every important package there is? |
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| 17:07.21 | johnfg | Brand new install of stretch, with cinnamon as my DE. |
| 17:08.08 | johnfg | cinnamon is running in software rendering mode. It didn't do that with mint, nor with gentoo, even on the same machine. |
| 17:08.25 | johnfg | How do I have it run in hardware acceleration mode? |
| 17:08.42 | greycat | Install firmware? Install nonfree drivers if it's not an integrated chipset? |
| 17:08.58 | greycat | Start by identifying the chipset: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 17:09.10 | johnfg | greycat, It's radeon, and ok, I'll run that cmd... |
| 17:09.44 | greycat | you will probably want to install firmware-amd-graphics which I believe is nonfree |
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| 17:10.45 | johnfg | greycat, I've been running debian (my main server) for years, but haven't had to do this in a while, with firmware. So the firmware-amd-graphics is the pkg, yes? |
| 17:10.56 | greycat | Depends on the chipset. |
| 17:11.23 | johnfg | http://dpaste.com/365BCZM here it is. |
| 17:11.58 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.06 | BCMM | johnfg: there's also firmware-linux, which will get you basically all of the firmware |
| 17:12.21 | greycat | ,pciid 1002:7146 |
| 17:12.22 | judd | [1002:7146] is 'RV515 [Radeon X1300/X1550]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:7146 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 17:13.03 | greycat | sounds promising, with the amd firmware installed. you'll need to reboot after installing the firmware. |
| 17:13.03 | BCMM | actually that's not true; a bunch of NIC chipsets aren't on that metapackage |
| 17:13.54 | johnfg | So which would be better? The firmware-amd-graphics or linux-firmware? |
| 17:14.12 | BCMM | johnfg: linux-firmware pulls in firmware-amd-graphics |
| 17:14.30 | johnfg | k, I'll do that then. Thanks folks! |
| 17:14.30 | BCMM | firmware-linux, rather |
| 17:14.56 | BCMM | johnfg: you know you need non-free enabled right? |
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| 17:15.11 | Qas | hello |
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| 17:18.24 | Qas | for a long while now I'm getting errors in updating debian. as seen from output, it is because of the PPAs that I manually installed, which are stated as "x doesn't have a Release file"..and in sources.list file I see stretch updates commented out with the line saying "Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:" |
| 17:18.37 | Qas | can I fix this? |
| 17:18.42 | greycat | !ppa |
| 17:18.42 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 17:19.09 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 17:19.09 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:20.29 | johnfg | BCMM, greycat: there are these 3 pkgs: firmware-linux; firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree. |
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| 17:21.29 | johnfg | The last is a meta-package. Is that what I should install? |
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| 17:22.02 | greycat | ,depends firmware-linux |
| 17:22.03 | judd | Package firmware-linux in stretch/amd64 -- depends: firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree (= 20161130-3). |
| 17:22.27 | greycat | If you install firmware-linux you'll get everything, and whatever you don't need will just sit there and not be used. |
| 17:22.45 | johnfg | So that sounds like what to do. |
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| 17:23.39 | johnfg | brb. going to reboot. |
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| 17:23.42 | Qas | I uncommented the updates main lines, but again a pile of errors came up |
| 17:23.47 | rc202402 | hi |
| 17:23.50 | mahafyi | For local users in a particular group, I am able to allow passwd command. Is it possible to allow all PAM users (integrated via miscrosoft active directory) to also have the right to issue passwd? |
| 17:24.04 | greycat | remove (or rename, or move) all your PPA sources out of the way |
| 17:24.14 | Qas | I need them |
| 17:24.17 | dob1 | ,v notmuch |
| 17:24.17 | greycat | ... |
| 17:24.18 | judd | Package: notmuch on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.13.2-1; wheezy-backports: 0.18.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.18.2-1; jessie-backports: 0.23.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.23.7-3; stretch-backports: 0.26-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.26-1+b2; sid: 0.26-1+b2 |
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| 17:25.11 | Qas | my current problem is that I installed node.js and it is still telling me I need to install it |
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| 17:27.14 | Qas | interestingly, it is also showing the url of the node.js site, even though it is in debian repos |
| 17:27.28 | greycat | "it" |
| 17:27.29 | mahafyi | scratch that - it works out of the box , lol |
| 17:27.56 | Qas | yes what is it? |
| 17:28.13 | greycat | You used the word "it" twice in that last sentence, and NEITHER one was clearly defined. |
| 17:28.24 | Qas | it=the terminal |
| 17:28.38 | Qas | the command line |
| 17:28.40 | greycat | your terminal just writes random messages all by itself? without you typing a command? |
| 17:29.05 | Qas | I already wrote the problem |
| 17:29.11 | greycat | !bat |
| 17:29.11 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 17:30.18 | greycat | At no time did you say what command you ran that caused an error, nor did you clearly show the error. All you said was that some kind of url was shown. |
| 17:30.36 | Qas | I said it asked me to install nodejs |
| 17:30.43 | greycat | "it" again!!!~ |
| 17:30.47 | Qas | yes |
| 17:30.58 | blaztek | What asked you? |
| 17:31.01 | greycat | *plonk*. unhelpable. |
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| 17:31.32 | Qas | *plonk* unhealable |
| 17:31.35 | johnfg | Ok, all's good with video, afaik. |
| 17:31.48 | johnfg | I don't have sound though. |
| 17:31.54 | greycat | I need to believe that somewhere in the world there is an intelligent user of node.js but this is entirely a faith-based assessment. There has never been a single bit of evidence to support it in my entire lifespan on IRC. |
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| 17:32.26 | greycat | johnfg: make sure audio output channels have been un-muted, and volume raised above 0 |
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| 17:32.48 | Qas | ok. I am sure any other debian guy/girl here has much higher comprehensive skills. damn sure. |
| 17:33.39 | Qas | so expecting their help in clarifying why the terminal is asking me to install a package that is already installed |
| 17:35.04 | blaztek | Qas: what did you type in the Terminal to get it to say that? |
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| 17:36.06 | johnfg | greycat: Yup, that took care of it. |
| 17:36.41 | Qas | blaztek, I followed the guide here to install node.js; https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions |
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| 17:37.19 | petn-randall | Qas: Can you provide all the information from the !bat factoid in a single paste? |
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| 17:38.35 | HKitain | ...okay, update on my minimal system: i rebuilt the minimal rootfs via multistrap. It tries to bring up "serial getty on /dev/ttyS0", unsuccessfully, and then shuts off from user input. |
| 17:39.03 | annadane | nodejs isn't even in stable, i think |
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| 17:39.48 | HKitain | ttyS0 seems to work, since that's how I'm getting boot progress messages. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 17:40.37 | Qas | blaztek, I typed in "run.sh", a script in the program that required node.js |
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| 17:58.38 | Qas | petn-randall, I guess there is a shorter solution to my problem than to paste all that. that's why I haven't responded. I was busy checking other sources. |
| 17:59.19 | petn-randall | Qas: That's the *only* way we'd be able to help. Anything else would require wild guess work. |
| 17:59.46 | petn-randall | Also, my crystal ball is in the shops for repairs, so normal logs will have to do. |
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| 18:01.51 | LtL | annadane: nodejs is in stable |
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| 18:03.15 | annadane | yeah i'm thinking of npm |
| 18:03.19 | annadane | ,v npm |
| 18:03.20 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2 |
| 18:03.36 | greycat | hilarious. |
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| 18:03.41 | LtL | ,v nodejs |
| 18:03.43 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; buster: 8.9.3~dfsg-12; sid: 8.9.3~dfsg-12 |
| 18:03.54 | annadane | any predications on when your crystal ball gets fixed? |
| 18:04.31 | LtL | annadane: waiting for parts from Beijing |
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| 18:05.27 | LtL | annadane: that was a proxy response :) |
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| 18:20.00 | arcmass | does anyone here offer help deciphering the changes that aptitude proposes? |
| 18:20.24 | annadane | arcmass, yep |
| 18:20.40 | kion | If I did not choose to encrypt the whole disk while installing Debian, is it possible to do it afterwards? |
| 18:20.41 | annadane | paste.debian.net to paste your output |
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| 18:21.55 | arcmass | thanks! so i'm trying to install libgtk2.0-dev, and apt is giving me issues (held broken packages), so i found aptitude, and switched to it. but now i'm a little worried it's going to uninstall important packages. paste incoming... |
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| 18:22.59 | arcmass | http://paste.debian.net/1014964/ |
| 18:23.29 | arcmass | i'm just not sure if uninstalling libxcomposite-dev is ok. i figured that must be a pretty important package. |
| 18:24.13 | arcmass | i don't think i even use libharfbuzz (native english user and i don't use non-latin character set languages), but i suppose i was worried about that too |
| 18:24.53 | annadane | arcmass, is this debian stretch? |
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| 18:25.57 | annadane | i'd probably first of all start by pasting the output of apt-cache policy |
| 18:26.13 | arcmass | no, i'm on linux mint 18.1, so jessie |
| 18:26.23 | arcmass | ok, will do |
| 18:26.24 | kopper | arcmass: apt show libxcomposite-dev |
| 18:26.28 | Qas | annadane, you've been right. npm is missing and I cant install it |
| 18:26.32 | annadane | arcmass, then ask mint |
| 18:26.40 | annadane | !mint |
| 18:26.40 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 18:27.03 | arcmass | oh ok, thanks. |
| 18:27.28 | Qas | how can I install npm? apparently it is not available for stretch? |
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| 18:28.10 | annadane | one of the issues with npm is that it's very large |
| 18:28.16 | Tenkawa | shows up in my apt |
| 18:28.16 | Qas | it is strange, though. nodejs install worked after purge-reinstall. but still npm is lacking |
| 18:28.30 | annadane | and i have no idea how you get it into stable, i think i've seen some solutions proposed on occasion |
| 18:28.31 | Qas | and nodejs says npm is bundled with it |
| 18:28.35 | Tenkawa | Qas: you sure you ran apt-get update? |
| 18:29.25 | annadane | and Qas before we go down that route why don't you paste your output from what you were discussing earlier |
| 18:29.36 | annadane | there may be other solutions |
| 18:29.42 | Qas | Tenkawa, yes |
| 18:29.44 | Tenkawa | Package: npm |
| 18:29.44 | Tenkawa | Version: 1.4.21+ds-2 |
| 18:29.44 | Tenkawa | Installed-Size: 1870 |
| 18:29.50 | annadane | ,v npm |
| 18:29.51 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2 |
| 18:30.08 | annadane | so you're either on jessie or sid, Tenkawa |
| 18:30.23 | Tenkawa | touche |
| 18:30.26 | Tenkawa | I'm in unstable |
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| 18:30.29 | Tenkawa | I dev |
| 18:30.32 | annadane | well, #debian is for stable |
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| 18:30.36 | jhutchins_wk | !ssb |
| 18:30.36 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:30.39 | annadane | (or oldstable) |
| 18:30.43 | jhutchins_wk | Qas: That's how. |
| 18:30.51 | annadane | even with npm? |
| 18:30.57 | Tenkawa | didnt catch stretch reference |
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| 18:32.00 | Qas | goodness |
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| 18:32.28 | Qas | I will follow the steps, jhutchins_wk, thank you |
| 18:32.29 | annadane | but okay, i guess you can also try that |
| 18:32.48 | Tenkawa | vegenaise: nice nick |
| 18:33.01 | annadane | but i suspect npm is also a bit niche and it's less likely to work that way |
| 18:33.02 | vegenaise | thanks Tenkawa :) |
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| 18:34.09 | vegenaise | would an old system be better supported by a newer kernal. still on jessie but was randomly thinking of upgrading, but didn't know if it would be faster/more secure/better, whatever |
| 18:34.23 | vegenaise | an improvement |
| 18:34.31 | Tenkawa | "how old |
| 18:34.32 | Tenkawa | " |
| 18:34.34 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 18:34.45 | Tenkawa | I think thats one of the operative q's |
| 18:34.55 | annadane | well, unless you have a good reason for keeping jessie it's generally suggested to go to stretch |
| 18:34.56 | vegenaise | 2011, sandybridge i7 dualcore |
| 18:35.17 | annadane | official support for it will basically end in june 2018 and then LTS takes over |
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| 18:36.08 | petn-randall | vegenaise: A newer kernel only makes sense if you're missing a specific feature or device support. Otherwise I'd stick with the default kernel that also gets great security/bugfix support. |
| 18:36.17 | vegenaise | i am just a noob with linux, so i am worried about trying dist-upgrade or whatever i would need to do to go to 9, while keeping my system and it's setup otherwise exactly the same |
| 18:37.08 | annadane | if you do decide to do that, check out the release notes, it contains helpful information: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes |
| 18:37.09 | vegenaise | that's what i was thinking petn-randall, but i don't know enough about this to know if im way off in that thinking or not |
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| 18:37.19 | annadane | but sure, jessie is still supported |
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| 18:38.34 | petn-randall | vegenaise: Personally, make backups, and do the upgrade to stretch after reading the release notes. It's been out for quite a while now, and any upgrade-related bugs will have been fixed by now. |
| 18:38.47 | vegenaise | so it says new packages in the release notes, does that mean that more apps would be available out of apt-get repository, or the installed system will have more installed? |
| 18:39.09 | petn-randall | (I upgraded sometime before stretch was released, but already frozen, and it worked without problems) |
| 18:39.09 | annadane | certainly "yes" to the former |
| 18:39.18 | annadane | as to the latter, unsure |
| 18:39.55 | Qas | annadane, jhutchins_wk, the npm install here seems to have worked; https://github.com/nodejs/node/wiki/Backports.debian.org |
| 18:39.57 | petn-randall | vegenaise: The amount of packages installed will stay roughly the same. |
| 18:40.16 | annadane | oh god. |
| 18:40.30 | vegenaise | yea, i need to teach myself how to use clonezilla |
| 18:40.36 | annadane | !don't break debian |
| 18:40.36 | dpkg | from memory, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 18:41.02 | annadane | included in that is do not install things randomly from github/the internet in general |
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| 18:42.24 | vegenaise | seems like some good improvements |
| 18:42.35 | vegenaise | think im might give it a go |
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| 18:44.20 | Qas | but doesn't the referred install also use debian repos, annadane? |
| 18:45.17 | annadane | the page in question lists wheezy backports |
| 18:45.23 | annadane | which is... not stretch backports |
| 18:45.40 | dka | I am looking for an android emulator that can be easely installed on Debian |
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| 18:57.08 | Qas | annadane, I purged the package and removed the wheezy entry from sources. is everything undone with that? |
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| 18:57.39 | annadane | from memory the link said to curl foo | bash, i'd have to check it again |
| 18:58.04 | Qas | right, the last line |
| 18:58.30 | annadane | that's beyond my area of knowledge, sorry |
| 18:58.46 | annadane | in future, please be cautious before trying untested things and rushing solutions |
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| 18:59.18 | Qas | sure |
| 18:59.22 | Qas | thank yo |
| 18:59.23 | Qas | u |
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| 19:01.17 | Qas | I will go about the steps above |
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| 19:02.48 | Qas | !bdo |
| 19:02.48 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 19:03.05 | Qas | !deb-src sid |
| 19:03.05 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 19:03.56 | annadane | as jhutchins described you can try to !ssb it... i'd at least get rid of the new packages you installed by following the github instructions |
| 19:04.13 | annadane | and then deal with any future breakage by asking us first |
| 19:04.37 | Qas | !ssb |
| 19:04.37 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 19:05.02 | annadane | check your /var/log/apt/history.log and remove those packages and then see if simple sid backport (ssb) works or not |
| 19:05.06 | annadane | it may not, anyway |
| 19:05.51 | Qas | annadane, sure, I will ask you |
| 19:06.09 | Qas | should I check logs before getting started with ssb? |
| 19:06.26 | Qas | and remove packages, I mean |
| 19:06.34 | annadane | yes because those packages can cause breakage |
| 19:06.39 | Qas | right |
| 19:07.23 | annadane | less /var/log/apt/history.log and scroll down to the bottom, it'd be one of your more recent entries |
| 19:08.03 | Qas | yes, very easy to spot as they are listed by date. there seems only this last 'nodejs-legacy' thingy that I just purged anyway |
| 19:08.07 | annadane | if it installed any packages at all; i'm not sure if wheezy-backports is even still running |
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| 19:08.29 | Qas | yes, the install and purge are shown |
| 19:08.40 | Qas | so it's clean? |
| 19:08.42 | zzla | Hypothetical question: ..if a company has provided an individual with a laptop to use for work purposes, and the individual uses this computer for non-work purposes duign off-hours by way of a "live" distro on a flash drive or such.. |
| 19:08.47 | annadane | i _think_ so |
| 19:08.58 | zzla | would said company have a way to know of such use? |
| 19:08.59 | Qas | nice |
| 19:09.55 | hypn0 | do live cds leave any trace zzla of use you mean |
| 19:10.16 | zzla | that's a good question |
| 19:10.17 | zzla | do they? |
| 19:10.57 | hypn0 | I don't think so, they run from ram? |
| 19:11.28 | hypn0 | when you turn computer off, ram gets reset? |
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| 19:11.37 | Qas | in the 'deb-src sid' line added to sources list, there is no reference to stretch. is that so? |
| 19:11.55 | zzla | might anyone else chime in as well? |
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| 19:13.08 | hypn0 | https://jaustin.io/2012/08/leave-no-trace-on-your-work-laptop/ ? |
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| 19:13.46 | annadane | Qas, because you're getting the source files from sid |
| 19:14.19 | annadane | be sure that it's deb-src and *not* deb |
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| 19:14.51 | zzla | that article just mentions a few distros |
| 19:14.57 | jimm | Qas, what that allows is for you to obtain debianized source code files, which allow you to build debian packages |
| 19:14.57 | Qas | ah, right, yes, I added with src, annadane |
| 19:15.42 | hypn0 | doesn't it anwser your question zzla |
| 19:15.48 | Qas | just, while I'm at it, is aptitude identical with apt? |
| 19:15.54 | jimm | hypn0, ram loses power (generally) |
| 19:16.29 | jimm | identical in what way? Qas |
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| 19:17.33 | Qas | jimm, ah, thank you for the info about src..aptitude as in 'sudo aptitude..' and apt as in 'sudo apt' |
| 19:18.25 | sIRwa2 | oke, this one is really hard too google: does debian do a shell log? like vm ware? a log of everything i type over ssh and so? |
| 19:18.55 | sIRwa2 | could one enable something like this? |
| 19:19.06 | jimm | oh, you mean its parameter syntax, and I know stuff has been added |
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| 19:19.24 | greycat | sIRwa2: Not debian specifically, no. Your shell probably logs to ~/.bash_history or whatever, as part of its natural operations. |
| 19:19.48 | jimm | long ago there was something called ttysnoop |
| 19:20.02 | annadane | for the ssb factoid either apt or aptitude are probably fine |
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| 19:20.12 | annadane | i'd have to look at it but... |
| 19:20.19 | annadane | !tell annadane about ssb |
| 19:20.42 | jimm | annadane, it was originally designed for apt-get |
| 19:20.45 | annadane | yeah, looks like either suffices |
| 19:20.56 | annadane | just follow the factoid though :P |
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| 19:21.33 | jimm | and ask if you have questions at any point |
| 19:22.36 | sIRwa2 | tnx greycat , im learning something here... |
| 19:22.54 | sIRwa2 | interesting |
| 19:23.16 | greycat | Are you asking how to avoid such logging, or how to inflict such logging upon your users? |
| 19:23.30 | Qas | thank you jimm, it is all going forwards right now |
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| 19:23.45 | Qas | npm is being nicely installed |
| 19:24.44 | annadane | well, okay, so i was wrong about npm being uninstallable |
| 19:24.50 | annadane | good to know |
| 19:24.59 | jimm | if you get curious... start by getting the source for the hello package, and read every file (it's not that long) |
| 19:25.00 | sIRwa2 | actually, i was hoping to find an error output from zfs from yesterday.. greycat |
| 19:25.19 | greycat | Ah, errors written to a terminal are probably not logged anywhere. |
| 19:25.51 | sIRwa2 | but i guess this is as good as it gets,, i nver new about history, and i needed it so often :) |
| 19:25.53 | greycat | If zfs was executing a script, and the script was not run on a terminal, then it might be in ~/.xsession-errors or other places. |
| 19:25.59 | Qas | long install indeed, lines and lines |
| 19:26.28 | greycat | ... shit, I misread that as zsh. |
| 19:26.34 | greycat | I don't know anything about zfs. |
| 19:27.00 | sIRwa2 | yhea... nope, it was a status output.. |
| 19:27.07 | sIRwa2 | nvm, tnx for this! |
| 19:27.11 | greycat | If it's part of a system-level daemon/service, then you might find logged output/errors in journalctl. |
| 19:27.20 | Tenkawa | I use to know zfs |
| 19:27.25 | Tenkawa | but its been too long |
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| 19:27.31 | Tenkawa | I dont remember it anymore |
| 19:27.35 | sIRwa2 | :) |
| 19:27.44 | Tenkawa | whats up |
| 19:27.48 | sIRwa2 | you sound old Tenkawa |
| 19:27.53 | Tenkawa | maybe i'll remember something |
| 19:27.58 | Tenkawa | is |
| 19:28.11 | sIRwa2 | im fine on the zfs side of things :) tnx |
| 19:28.18 | Tenkawa | I started in the ncr/at&t svr4 days |
| 19:28.29 | greycat | Is there a systemd service associated with zfs? Like zfs.service or something? |
| 19:28.43 | Qas | in the output of the command ' apt-get -b source npm', I got this note; https://paste.debian.net/hidden/dacf71e6/ |
| 19:28.47 | Qas | at the end |
| 19:29.04 | Tenkawa | at ncr ironicly enough |
| 19:29.19 | sIRwa2 | zpool status -v mypool is what i use |
| 19:29.35 | Qas | is it anything that requires action? |
| 19:30.33 | mason | greycat: Yeah, there are a bunch of services shipped. |
| 19:30.33 | greycat | then he might find the logs in journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=zfs.service |
| 19:30.33 | greycat | and god DAMN that thing needs a friendlier user interface... |
| 19:30.33 | mason | zfs-mount.service zfs-share.service zfs-import-cache.service zfs.target |
| 19:30.56 | annadane | !tell annadane about ssb |
| 19:31.11 | Qas | jimm, in the output of the command ' apt-get -b source npm', I got this note; https://paste.debian.net/hidden/dacf71e6/..do I need to do anything for it? |
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| 19:31.55 | jimm | maybe, let me see |
| 19:32.01 | Qas | sure |
| 19:32.04 | greycat | Ah, "journalctl -u servicename" also works -- they didn't bother to put that in the EXAMPLES section though. What the living FUCK. |
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| 19:32.32 | jimm | that paste wasn't found |
| 19:32.45 | sIRwa2 | lol.. hold on,.. didnt want to start something here |
| 19:33.15 | mason | greycat: systemd doesn't need examples - it knows what to do. |
| 19:33.45 | sIRwa2 | lol.. oke tnx guys.. im fine |
| 19:33.46 | annadane | "new to debian, how can i help?" "you can help us write the systemd documenta-" *runs away screaming* |
| 19:34.29 | Qas | jimm, interesting, I can view it |
| 19:34.50 | Qas | ok, trying again |
| 19:34.58 | jimm | greycat, I know you already know this... but to be instructive to newer folks... get it changed in debian (file a bug detailing what you want), then kick it upstream |
| 19:35.19 | mason | jimm: I think we're all just waiting it out. |
| 19:35.20 | annadane | if it didn't work the first time... |
| 19:35.20 | jimm | I know why |
| 19:35.34 | annadane | maybe wait until you understand why it's not working first |
| 19:35.35 | Qas | me too. but it never was a problem before |
| 19:35.45 | Qas | https://paste.debian.net/1014985/ |
| 19:35.49 | Qas | jimm^ |
| 19:35.51 | annadane | oh, paste. sorry |
| 19:36.06 | jimm | mason, you'd have to decide if waiting is a good service to debian users (especially new ones) |
| 19:36.39 | greycat | jimm: It has been my experience that getting documentation patches accepted is HARD as hell, no matter what, but is almost always more likely to work if you go directly upstream, not via Debian. Debian maintainers rarely want their docs to deviate from upstream. |
| 19:37.11 | mason | jimm: I'll back out of the conversation. I honestly don't have a ton of productive stuff to add. The confluence of events summer of 2015 drove me away and I'm just starting to come back. :P |
| 19:37.25 | jimm | greycat, you mean upstream? |
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| 19:38.14 | Qas | annadane, the last step of ssb says 'install the resultant debs'..where do I see these? |
| 19:38.20 | mason | greycat: FWIW, I've had little issue with doc patches being accepted, although it's been more on the RHEL side than Fedora, which is presumably the authoritative upstream for this stuff. |
| 19:38.29 | jimm | mason, I kinda don't either, but I do have a strategy to suggest |
| 19:38.48 | annadane | i don't know because i've never done an ssb |
| 19:39.15 | jimm | annadane, it's usually super easy |
| 19:39.23 | bites | in the directory you ran the build in |
| 19:39.44 | greycat | annadane: jimm: it's usually super-easy except when it's impossible. |
| 19:39.50 | annadane | i go straight to the source and use sid :P |
| 19:40.10 | annadane | source pun not intended |
| 19:40.44 | jimm | yeah you don't want to install sid binary pkgs on (say) stable |
| 19:40.59 | greycat | or on testing, or on oldstable, ... |
| 19:40.59 | annadane | yeah so it'd be the .deb files you get via build-dep |
| 19:41.10 | annadane | apparently |
| 19:41.26 | annadane | really needs to RTFM and LEARN how to do this stuff |
| 19:41.28 | jimm | right, that support the version of debian you're runing |
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| 19:42.27 | mason | This is somewhat off-topic, but is there a Raspian channel that's particularly useful/active? |
| 19:42.30 | annadane | shortcuts are bad. |
| 19:42.36 | annadane | !raspian |
| 19:42.36 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 19:42.42 | mason | freenode, ty |
| 19:42.48 | annadane | not sure about useful/active but... |
| 19:43.18 | mason | two nicks, including me... =cough= I'll look at OFTC too. |
| 19:43.35 | mason | Nothing there. Ah, well. |
| 19:43.50 | annadane | hmm |
| 19:43.53 | mason | Oh, I spelled it wrong. |
| 19:43.54 | bites | you just can't type :P |
| 19:43.57 | annadane | ah |
| 19:43.57 | mason | yes |
| 19:43.59 | annadane | that'll do it |
| 19:44.14 | mason | ty again |
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| 19:46.20 | Qas | I installed only npm with build-dep, and it seems already installed before step 5. |
| 19:46.56 | Qas | I mean I ran build-dep only with npm |
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| 19:47.57 | Qas | for about 2 hours I've been trying to install some software that requires node.js. |
| 19:48.41 | jimm | what (directly) requires node.js? |
| 19:48.44 | Tenkawa | mason: #raspberrypi on here is fairly busy |
| 19:48.56 | mason | Tenkawa: I'll join that too. Thank you. |
| 19:49.04 | Tenkawa | np.. |
| 19:50.19 | bites | oh, yeah, node in debian stable is terribly out of date. umstream provides a debian repository that works quite well. |
| 19:51.07 | Qas | one question, how can I make a manually installed package override the repo one? because I need the latest node.js, and installed it under /opt with symlink to run it from terminal, but the ancient version in the repo install overrides it and therefore I keep getting the error 'please install nodejs' |
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| 19:52.53 | Qas | at least that's what I think why I get this error |
| 19:53.31 | bites | just remove the one from debian? |
| 19:53.57 | Qas | bites, it doesnt help. still the manually installed one doesnt get recognized |
| 19:54.11 | greycat | Removal is only done if it has release-critical bugs that cannot be fixed by patching. |
| 19:54.21 | greycat | Or a license conflict, etc. |
| 19:54.24 | bites | upstream has instructions for installing latest node on debian. just follow those. |
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| 19:54.50 | Qas | is this a factoid, too? |
| 19:54.55 | Qas | !upstream |
| 19:54.55 | dpkg | from memory, upstream is where Debian developers download software from. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/developer-duties#upstream-coordination |
| 19:54.56 | bites | they even provide packages |
| 19:55.52 | Qas | no, apparently not. upstream factoid tells about dev duties |
| 19:55.56 | annadane | i'm an idiot. i completely forgot about the npm repository |
| 19:56.29 | annadane | using repositories is generally bad but with npm you can make an exception |
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| 19:57.12 | greycat | It comes down to the trustworthiness of the repository. Some of them have earned a reputation for quality, and the others... not so much. |
| 19:57.37 | Qas | would this remove the message 'please install the already installed node.js', annadane? |
| 19:57.47 | annadane | no idea |
| 19:57.48 | greycat | If lots of people have used the upstream npm repositories and have not reported problems, then they may be acceptable. |
| 19:58.07 | annadane | trustworthiness yes but i always envision package conflicts/general breakage |
| 19:58.23 | greycat | We expect that from PPAs. |
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| 19:58.31 | bites | i don't mean npm. upstream creates debain packages for nodejs. |
| 19:58.40 | Qas | bites, where do I get these upstream instructions? |
| 19:58.42 | greycat | npm and nodejs aren't the same upstream? |
| 19:58.47 | annadane | they're not, iirc |
| 19:58.51 | greycat | oy vey |
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| 19:58.56 | bites | yes, but i mean their debian repository. |
| 19:59.19 | annadane | but okay, see, now we have someone who actually knows what they're talking about instead of hippie pot smokers with a 3rd grade education like me |
| 19:59.22 | annadane | now we're getting somewhere |
| 20:01.21 | bites | https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions |
| 20:02.16 | bites | in the form of a script that checks which system you run and creates a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 20:02.42 | greycat | Maybe some day there will be a reason for me to learn what nodejs and npm are other than "a reason to /ignore people who ask incredibly stupid questions about them in #bash" |
| 20:03.14 | annadane | solution: /ignore everybody |
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| 20:04.21 | greycat | So far, that has been working :) |
| 20:05.00 | hypn0 | annadane: I'm sure you can get to the 4th grade soon :-) |
| 20:05.42 | bites | that meant to be a diss? |
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| 20:05.53 | Qas | annadane, I am left where I started. I have two nodejs versions getting an output telling me to install nodejs |
| 20:05.58 | Qas | what can I do now? |
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| 20:06.21 | Qas | ok, purged the repo one, so one version now |
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| 20:07.45 | annadane | shrugs |
| 20:08.38 | Qas | all right. maybe I should try the mailing list. |
| 20:08.59 | annadane | well no, other people can answer it |
| 20:09.10 | annadane | you're welcome to try if you want, of course... |
| 20:09.41 | annadane | you can't assume everyone is an expert, i'm sure as hell not |
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| 20:10.50 | Guest67932 | Hi everybody |
| 20:11.28 | annadane | i would be *helped* on my way to expert-dom if i took my advice sometime and rtfm... |
| 20:11.29 | Qas | sure, if anyone else can have more suggestions...no, not about expertise, but it seems the nearest options have been tried, and I kind of got stuck in it |
| 20:11.51 | bites | the instructions above didn't work for you? |
| 20:12.05 | Qas | bites, I asked which instructions you meant |
| 20:12.13 | Guest67932 | I use Debian 7 on SD Card (so filesystem is read only) with Kernel 3.16.49. After electrial failure, My router boot and my runlevel is "unknown". Wht ? and How to correct this issue on boot? |
| 20:12.23 | Guest67932 | Thanks in advance for your help |
| 20:12.25 | bites | Qas: the ones i've posted https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions |
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| 20:14.07 | Guest67932 | Of course, I already search on Google but I didn't found solution.... |
| 20:14.08 | Qas | bites, I used the same page for the installation, except that I didn't install the legacy package mentioned there (though I installed and removed it from a distant wheezy backport :)). |
| 20:14.21 | Qas | I will try and see if it changes anything |
| 20:14.31 | bites | i thought you used some ppa earlier. |
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| 20:15.49 | Qas | no, not with nodejs |
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| 20:18.05 | eeewww | Still haven't figured out how to remap keys :( |
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| 20:18.22 | greycat | if you're in X, you can use xmodmap |
| 20:18.28 | eeewww | I have a usb pedal that i would like to map to a key, let me know if anyone know a simple way to do it |
| 20:18.57 | greycat | use 'xev' and see what happens when you click/press/push it |
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| 20:20.27 | eeewww | it's working as a mouse |
| 20:21.02 | eeewww | i get the events in xev but i'm not sure how to edit these |
| 20:21.12 | greycat | xmodmap says it can manipulate pointer events as well as keystrokes |
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| 20:22.58 | Qas | finally no more errors with node.js..though still showing error, I hope it got much simpler to solve now; https://paste.debian.net/1014989/ when I try this as root, it warns me not to do so. I suppose I need to chmod the permissions, but dont know which one to use here. "chmod +x" ? |
| 20:23.40 | annadane | +x is just the execute falg |
| 20:23.42 | annadane | flag* |
| 20:23.58 | bites | would help to know what you are doing, i'm out of the loop. |
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| 20:28.30 | bites | the upstream nodejs package comes with npm btw. |
| 20:28.54 | greycat | ... so they ARE the same upstream after all... |
| 20:29.17 | bites | yes, maybe, i don't know. ^^ |
| 20:29.31 | annadane | i heard something somewhere from someone that they weren't the same upstream providers |
| 20:29.51 | annadane | but it would make sense it comes from the same soruce |
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| 20:34.38 | bites | they are closely related. the npm creator way nodejs project manager at some point. but they are two projects. |
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| 20:34.48 | bites | s/way/was/ |
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| 20:48.15 | eeewww | would it be easier to write a script for remapping? |
| 20:48.45 | Qas | ok, I first ran the command as root and at the second run it worked as normal user |
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| 20:50.08 | Qas | again, with error, but unrelated to debian |
| 20:50.35 | Qas | annadena, jimm, bites, thank you all for your help! |
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| 20:53.19 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 20:54.06 | tobiasBora | I'd like to know, do you know a light weight distribution that has some image that I could run directly with qemu? |
| 20:54.23 | tobiasBora | I'd like to have it available for as many distribution as possible |
| 20:54.31 | tobiasBora | as many architecture* |
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| 20:54.38 | mason | tobiasBora: Maybe try Debian? |
| 20:55.00 | tobiasBora | mason: I was affraid that debian may be a bit big |
| 20:55.10 | annadane | *really* lightweight? hmm |
| 20:55.11 | mason | tobiasBora: It can be quite small. |
| 20:55.18 | annadane | depends on your definition of big |
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| 20:55.37 | tobiasBora | mason: is it available for arm <= 6? |
| 20:55.54 | Mathisen | tobiasBora, arch |
| 20:56.08 | n4dir | antix and refacta come to mind, but i don't think they run on many architectures. |
| 20:56.20 | n4dir | that said: i would go for debian too. |
| 20:56.23 | mason | tobiasBora: https://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 20:56.33 | tobiasBora | annadane: well a few MB is fine. The idea is that I would like to create a script that basically download qemu from the debian repo, download the good image, and then start qemu on this image. |
| 20:57.16 | tobiasBora | ok so maybe I'll give a try to debian |
| 20:57.24 | mason | tobiasBora: Armv4t, Armv5t |
| 20:57.36 | mason | tobiasBora: see https://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 20:57.37 | tobiasBora | do you know what kind of image I could use to start qemu from it? |
| 20:57.46 | n4dir | with refractasnapshot you could make a bootable iso of a debian-installation you configured to your liking (that is: make it as small as you want). There is live-helper or live-builder too. I don't think it works that well anymore though |
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| 20:59.01 | tobiasBora | I found stuff like that, but it's not really official, or small https://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/amd64/ |
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| 20:59.56 | eeewww | xmodmap will change the event for all the devices, is there a way to remap only a single usb device? |
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| 21:07.39 | tobiasBora | Or do you know if it's possible to run qemu like a chroot ? |
| 21:07.44 | Guest67932 | Nobody can't help me about runlevel unknown? :-( |
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| 21:16.59 | hypn0 | Guest67932: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/158872/does-systemd-still-know-about-runlevels ? |
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| 21:18.44 | Guest67932 | Hi hypn0, thanks, but I don't use systemd on Debian 7 |
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| 21:20.06 | mason | Guest67932: Look at /etc/inittab, a line like id:2:initdefault: |
| 21:20.32 | codeasdata | Hey everyone, |
| 21:20.35 | mason | Guest67932: under comment "# The default runlevel." |
| 21:20.42 | codeasdata | I am having trouble installing any package or ugrading my system. |
| 21:20.51 | codeasdata | System info + error log http://clpbrd.it/c/GJz5bKP3EBivYdNjeQQ7 |
| 21:21.20 | Guest67932 | mason, It's done... My problem appear with electrical failure. Before, on reboot or poweroff I never had this issue..... |
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| 21:21.43 | Guest67932 | do you think to put runlevel number on grub2 will avoid my issue? |
| 21:21.59 | mason | Guest67932: You shouldn't have to. The runlevel doesn't matter until you're running init scripts. |
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| 21:22.23 | mason | Guest67932: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the error...? |
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| 21:23.02 | Guest67932 | I need to start service with my runlevel on boot.... |
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| 21:23.22 | mason | Guest67932: man update-rc.d |
| 21:23.38 | mason | Guest67932: You need to make sure it's set to start and stop when you want. |
| 21:24.05 | mason | Or take the easy way out and run your thing out of rc.local or somesuch. |
| 21:24.34 | Guest67932 | on boot, reboot, my Debian run on runlevel2. Everything works fine. My Debian works on ro (SD card) /run and /var/run works on RAM (tmpfs). then I've got electrical failure and on restart, my Debian was "unable" to start with runlevel |
| 21:25.09 | mason | Guest67932: Sounds like filesystem corruption or somesuch...? |
| 21:25.28 | armin | so i had a weird issue today where dd'ing a .img to a usb stick would just finish after 1sec or so. that seemed way too less for me so i became curious. anyways i didn't find out what the actual issue was and rebooted my laptop and was able to properly dd an image to a usb stick again which was bootable. any hint what i could be missing? |
| 21:25.31 | mason | Guest67932: Hopefully you have back-ups. An SD card is not going to be reliable. |
| 21:26.17 | armin | sd cards are even worse than cdr's in a car with children. |
| 21:26.17 | Guest67932 | mason I think the same issue. But how my filesystem was corrputed because my filesystem work readonly |
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| 21:27.06 | mason | Guest67932: 1) back it up to something else, 2) see if fsck can make it happy, 3) use a new SD card in any event, as maybe your existing one is just wearing out |
| 21:27.35 | mason | 4) keep regular back-ups off-system of anything that matters |
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| 21:36.56 | hypercore | what should i do with debian? |
| 21:37.08 | dob1 | you just asked this |
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| 21:37.11 | annadane | drink |
| 21:37.31 | annadane | more seriously, whatever you want? |
| 21:37.40 | hypercore | i've decided to use debian is my default server distro, i want to use it now |
| 21:37.46 | hypercore | can't of anything to use it for |
| 21:37.56 | annadane | any number of computer related tasks |
| 21:38.05 | greycat | Host a web site with pictures of your 172 cats. |
| 21:38.12 | Tenkawa | only 172 |
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| 21:38.15 | greycat | I hean, duh. |
| 21:38.19 | Tenkawa | slacker |
| 21:38.21 | Guest67932 | ok, thanks for your tips |
| 21:38.23 | greycat | mean... ... damn it. |
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| 21:39.28 | Tenkawa | greycat: my cats would love to be able to use my computer/server room for their haven |
| 21:40.31 | mnuhmnuh_ | Guest67932: have you never diddled w relational dbases? or ways of driving them (eg. perl)? tres cool stuff. |
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| 21:41.28 | mnuhmnuh_ | Guest67932: perl plus sqllite would be easy way to learn. |
| 21:41.36 | bitess | cats like the deafening noise? |
| 21:41.54 | Tenkawa | bitess: the rumbling and lights |
| 21:42.02 | Tenkawa | they love lights |
| 21:42.13 | Tenkawa | one of them love light toys i have |
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| 21:42.15 | greycat | And warm air. |
| 21:42.28 | Tenkawa | yeah good point |
| 21:42.41 | Tenkawa | they love taking over the bed |
| 21:43.02 | greycat | Plus, anything they can jump on top of. Especially if doing so will knock it over. |
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| 21:54.58 | jim | postgres is also a good learning choice (as well as a very stable networked, multiuser, multiple-simultaneous-connection-capable database choice) because it allows you to ask it to explain specific queries, which it replies with a plan to execute that query... so, after you mess with sqlite with perl, you can also start to learn to open postgres databases from perl, and query them in much the same manner as you will have done with sqlite |
| 21:55.28 | jim | and it is also of course acid-compliant |
| 21:56.29 | jim | sqlite is also stable, and when you need a single-user single-connection database, it will serve very well |
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| 21:58.05 | Tenkawa | ironicly learned on informix in the OO space |
| 21:58.11 | hypercore | i'm more of a dog person |
| 21:58.41 | annadane | they're both cute. this is not editor wars. |
| 21:58.46 | Tenkawa | then became a dba for 20 years afterwards |
| 21:58.58 | Tenkawa | er relational dba |
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| 22:01.33 | Canucktux | Hello, I would like some help starting up a second X session next to the default one |
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| 22:02.22 | mason | My cat prefers Emacs, and that's because my cat is really a ferret. |
| 22:02.40 | Canucktux | I have a single X session using my external AMDGPU, but I would like to use my internal GPU with a different monitor |
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| 22:06.20 | zimeo | hi everyone |
| 22:06.25 | zimeo | i'm new on debian \o/ |
| 22:06.29 | annadane | \o/ |
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| 22:08.58 | Canucktux | welcome zimeo |
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| 22:09.28 | zimeo | thank canucktux |
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| 22:09.49 | hypercore | what's the difference between apt and dpkg? |
| 22:10.03 | zimeo | for the moment the only thing i dont like is the small area to pick up the corner of a windows to resize it... You need to be Exactly on the corner... Boring ! |
| 22:10.11 | zimeo | but its a small thing dont mater |
| 22:10.12 | dob1 | hypercore, they are 2 bots |
| 22:10.25 | Canucktux | dpkg is the reference implementation, apt is new, sleek and awesome |
| 22:10.25 | dpkg | Canucktux: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:10.25 | hypercore | ? |
| 22:10.42 | Tenkawa | dob1: I think he means in debian itself |
| 22:10.48 | Tenkawa | not in irc |
| 22:10.50 | bitess | apt is higher level and can install software from repositories. |
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| 22:10.51 | hypercore | Canucktux: should i use apt then? |
| 22:10.58 | hypercore | oh ok |
| 22:11.00 | Canucktux | yes |
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| 22:11.09 | hypercore | does apt interact with dpkg? |
| 22:11.12 | dob1 | Tenkawa, I know, but he is trolling too |
| 22:11.14 | hypercore | or are they completely seperate? |
| 22:11.23 | hypercore | dob1: why am i trolling? |
| 22:11.28 | Tenkawa | dob1: what??? |
| 22:11.36 | Tenkawa | i havent seen any indication of that |
| 22:11.50 | Tenkawa | and I've been sitting right here too |
| 22:11.53 | hypercore | sad thing is i'm not trolling... |
| 22:12.03 | Unit193 | hypercore: Think of dpkg as more of a backend, apt being the user friendly side. |
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| 22:12.13 | Canucktux | ^ |
| 22:12.19 | dob1 | Tenkawa, hypercore ok not my problem, nevermind |
| 22:12.30 | Tenkawa | hypercore: many of the different components interconnect |
| 22:12.45 | Tenkawa | some of them can be used independently |
| 22:12.50 | hypercore | so apt uses the dpkg api/sdk (or whatever it's called) |
| 22:14.13 | Tenkawa | I don't know the specifics because I'm so use to doing it by memory.. a lot of it is referenced on the wiki pages nowadays at wiki.debian.org too |
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| 22:20.46 | hypercore | thanks |
| 22:21.02 | Tenkawa | np |
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| 22:46.51 | dumbl3d0re | Is there any reason why I shouldn't hide my local `opt` folder in $HOME? |
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| 22:47.16 | dumbl3d0re | Read: naming it `~/.opt` instead of `~/opt`. |
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| 22:48.10 | bitess | i don't see why it sould matter. |
| 22:50.11 | dumbl3d0re | I can't either, but you always read that you should use the local `~/bin` dirs etc. when reading how to install applications locally in $HOME. I just want to know if there's a good reason not to hide it, or just that people don't think about it/doesn't care. |
| 22:50.52 | bitess | you can name your non-standard directories how you like. |
| 22:51.44 | dumbl3d0re | *Thumbs up| |
| 22:51.47 | dumbl3d0re | *Thumbs up* |
| 22:52.02 | dumbl3d0re | I'll go with that. |
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| 22:57.00 | codeasdata | Updating my apt mirror solved my issue, the one I was using is having issues with https. Thanks anyways |
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| 23:18.51 | AkQ | how do i set two top-level domains for one server which has one ip but so that the domains have completely different folder as their index and they are not visible to each other by site-visitor (unless ofc if whois or ping is done to reveal the ip) |
| 23:19.21 | dondelelcaro | AkQ: use a virtual host, and have a third site/placeholder serving by IP |
| 23:19.44 | dondelelcaro | AkQ: and have the reverse go to the placeholder |
| 23:20.00 | AkQ | is there like a guide or something, i'm avid debian user :I |
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| 23:20.18 | dondelelcaro | AkQ: I assume you want to serve web, or something like that? |
| 23:20.26 | AkQ | yeah |
| 23:20.42 | dondelelcaro | AkQ: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/ |
| 23:20.52 | AkQ | i do also run a mumble in one of the domains but two others will be for just domain reserve and simple info-page |
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| 23:21.08 | dondelelcaro | you'll probably want what are called name-based virtual hosts |
| 23:23.32 | AkQ | i'm not sure - i'm not so aware of the termonology here :o i want to achieve different site for total of three domains as in example1.fi example2.fi example3.fi all in same server, with same ip but different website |
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| 23:25.35 | bites | we get that. you set up one virtual host for each domain. |
| 23:26.09 | AkQ | right, virtual host for each domain, okay i try to google that |
| 23:26.51 | bites | that link above is already pretty good. click on "Name-based Virtual Hosts (More than one web site per IP address)" |
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| 23:30.05 | bites | you see an example apache config there. each vhost has a ServerName and DocumentRoot sounds pretty much like what you described. |
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