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| 00:01.44 | davidisgreat | It booted! Thanks so much for dragging me to a solution. This was defiantly beyond my skill to fix. |
| 00:03.09 | jelly | great |
| 00:03.58 | jelly | now go replace /dev/sda1 in fstab with UUID=correct-uuid-here or LABEL= :-) |
| 00:04.34 | jelly | and rerun update-grub and see if it still boots |
| 00:05.33 | jelly | (blkid to find it out) |
| 00:06.13 | davidisgreat | https://i.imgur.com/vw9VkSV.png |
| 00:06.43 | jelly | but if you're on esxi disk order won't change on its own so leaving it at /dev/sda1 is reasonably safe |
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| 00:08.12 | jelly | davidisgreat, you'd replace /dev/sda1 with UUID=0d08... (copy/paste the whole GUID value, just get rid of the quotes) |
| 00:08.28 | jelly | or label the filesystem and use that. |
| 00:08.38 | jelly | e2label is your friend |
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| 00:09.28 | jelly | /dev/md2: LABEL="backup" UUID="c881e3a8-f550-4b3f-8a1e-fb9bc94d6189" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" |
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| 00:10.02 | jelly | and... maybe upgrade that debian 6 to something that is still supported, even! |
| 00:11.00 | jelly | you can now take snapshots and whatnot, it helps a lot when doing ugly release upgrades on legacy cra^H^H^Hsystems |
| 00:11.25 | jelly | dpkg, squeeze->wheezy |
| 00:11.26 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
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| 00:11.38 | jelly | !wheezy release notes |
| 00:11.38 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 7 "Wheezy" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes . See also <squeeze->wheezy>, <install guide wheezy>. |
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| 00:14.59 | davidisgreat | sounds good. |
| 00:15.03 | davidisgreat | thanks again for your help |
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| 00:16.24 | spacedust | how usable is debian testing as a desktop ? |
| 00:16.33 | spacedust | im installing that right now with kde :) |
| 00:19.39 | RoyK | spacedust: probably usable, but then, it's testing |
| 00:19.49 | somiaj | spacedust: many people use it, but expect problems you may have to work around/deal with. |
| 00:20.00 | RoyK | dpkg: tell spacedust about testing |
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| 00:20.49 | somiaj | spacedust: My experience is large desktops (like kde/gnome) are the worst experience in testing because they integrate so much and sometimes fixes are slow to make it through sid into testing. I would also install a wm backup for times kde breaks. |
| 00:21.04 | jelly | the greatest things about testing is you don't get to ask questions in here! |
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| 00:21.35 | jelly | unless a release is vey close |
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| 00:22.47 | RoyK | jelly: hell, let's just have one IRC channel or everything |
| 00:22.54 | RoyK | jelly: take a look at #ubuntu ;) |
| 00:22.54 | somiaj | I think it should depend on the question, no need to be sent to another network to be given a wiki link or factoid. |
| 00:23.18 | somiaj | but yea, longer drawn out issues should be in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:25.10 | eric23 | is Debian GNU/Hurd off topic here? |
| 00:26.30 | somiaj | eric23: finding someone who actually runs it here will be the hard part, I would go find an appropriate channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:26.58 | somiaj | standard debian questions could be answered about that, but anything about the hurd kernel or issues on that port most here will no experience with. |
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| 00:35.32 | spacedust | oh , thanks RoyK |
| 00:36.45 | spacedust | well im using kali rolling 2018 right now, which is desbian testing also if i know well |
| 00:36.49 | spacedust | so far works well |
| 00:37.07 | spacedust | yeah i will install a lxde or some other DE backup for kde |
| 00:37.27 | spacedust | when is buster supposed to be released ? |
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| 00:37.51 | spacedust | i opted for this since i think i read that it will be this spring so pretty close, but correct me if im wrong |
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| 00:42.10 | somiaj | spacedust: next year sometime given the recent time frame. Though debian's time line is always 'when it is ready' |
| 00:42.49 | somiaj | once the freeze starts, which I think will be sometime next year, it takes 3-6 months after that for the last few releases, and they seem to happen about every two years. |
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| 00:45.54 | spacedust | i want to install stuff like zfs & wireguard |
| 00:46.13 | spacedust | somiaj: oh i see so buster is a long way since today :) |
| 00:46.15 | RoyK | zfs is in |
| 00:46.56 | RoyK | spacedust: no need for buster to use zfs |
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| 00:47.04 | spacedust | RoyK: i know :) |
| 00:47.26 | spacedust | RoyK: i just thought maybe its like gentoo testing ~arch which is mostly stable |
| 00:47.50 | spacedust | RoyK: and never used testing btw so i said ill try this now, almost installed |
| 00:48.00 | RoyK | started using zfs like 10 years back and still likes it, except for the lack of flexibility mdadm is offering |
| 00:48.05 | spacedust | 97% cleaning up |
| 00:48.27 | spacedust | RoyK: what kind of flexibility is that ? can you elaborate please ? |
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| 00:49.31 | RoyK | spacedust: in my last job, I setup some machines for backup targets - two with 100TiB net storage, one with just 16 |
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| 00:49.46 | RoyK | 2TB drives was the thing back then |
| 00:50.04 | RoyK | so - a lot of drives |
| 00:50.22 | spacedust | isnt zfs designed for that ? a lot of drives ? |
| 00:50.39 | spacedust | huh wow system booted so fast :) |
| 00:51.19 | RoyK | it certainly is |
| 00:51.22 | spacedust | what video drivers do i need if using kvm with spice ? |
| 00:51.41 | RoyK | never seen spice work on debian |
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| 00:52.04 | RoyK | but then - it's some time since I tried to look into it |
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| 00:54.31 | spacedust | well the host is kali 2018 |
| 00:55.23 | spacedust | i like this new kde a lot |
| 00:55.26 | spacedust | its really good |
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| 00:58.23 | spacedust | how does one stop kde accessibility from starting ? :) |
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| 01:05.56 | somiaj | spacedust: you shoudln't need anytying special in the guest. xserver-xorg-video-qxl should already be installed. |
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| 01:06.18 | somiaj | spice-vdagent is something that may not be installed by default, needed for other spice stuff, but I don't think video. |
| 01:06.46 | somiaj | but I have spice working on my vm's here jsut fine. |
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| 01:31.14 | spacedust | super super fast reboots using kvm and qcow2 on regular disk, i do have a lot of free ram on the host |
| 01:32.57 | spacedust | oh i was hoping to see wireguard in testing :P its pretty stable if you ask me :) |
| 01:34.00 | somiaj | stability is not the only thing that gets packages into testing, packages have to meet certain criteria in sid before they are allowed to migrate. wiregog is blocked due to bugs |
| 01:34.05 | somiaj | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/wireguard |
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| 01:55.28 | cheako | I upgraded to sid and my touchpad scroll is upside-down. I changed my xorg.conf, but I still need to run xinput all the time to fix it. |
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| 01:57.14 | Infomaniack | anyone have any idea why firefox would fail to execute. I downloaded the ISO and it seemed to work find. Then I shut it down to work on hardening the system. (I know technically not the most secure way) Ping works but I get an input/out failed to execute error. Any suggestions much appreciated. thanks |
| 01:58.12 | RoyK | cheako: see #debian-next on oftc, please - sd isn't supported here |
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| 01:59.49 | annadane | Infomaniack, iso? how did you install firefox? |
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| 02:01.17 | Infomaniack | @annadane I dd'd the iso to a usb. Been dual booting from that usb. |
| 02:01.38 | annadane | oh, i thought you meant "firefox iso" |
| 02:01.48 | annadane | unless that *is* what you mean |
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| 02:02.23 | annadane | well, start by pasting the full error message - paste.debian.net |
| 02:02.45 | Infomaniack | @annadane no that is not what I meant to convey. DEBIAN iso. So obviously firefox comes with it. |
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| 02:07.04 | dvs | Infomaniack, do you have Debian installed? |
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| 02:07.23 | Infomaniack | @dvs yes of course. |
| 02:08.34 | dvs | Infomaniack, you don't want to install Firefox through the internet? |
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| 02:10.05 | somiaj | and you have an actual cd/dvd image, not just a netinstall iso? |
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| 02:10.16 | webchat249 | hi |
| 02:10.50 | Infomaniack | @dvs no i dont want to install it via the internet. I would much prefer to figure out what is wrong with the problem at hand. |
| 02:10.51 | somiaj | Infomaniack: oh I missed the orrignal problem, so you are getting input/output errors when running firefox? This sounds like bad hardware. |
| 02:11.27 | somiaj | Infomaniack: can you give a paste of the actual error you are getting to start. |
| 02:11.36 | Infomaniack | @anyway to investigate this. Firefox worked initially when I downloaded debian. Also as I said ping works. |
| 02:11.48 | Infomaniack | @somiaj |
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| 02:13.57 | somiaj | we need to know why it didn't work, so some actual output would be nice. I saw input/output error, did you see something saying this? What about firefox doesn't work? |
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| 02:14.14 | somiaj | does the program run? Does it segfault? Crash? Or just does it not connect to the internet. |
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| 02:16.16 | Infomaniack | @somaij I get 'failed to execute command' which is just the pop up window. followed by the path of failure 'usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr%u' |
| 02:16.31 | Infomaniack | @somiaj |
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| 02:17.46 | somiaj | Infomaniack: whatever you are using to run firefox seems to have a typo, there should be a space between the firefox-esr and %u, also that command is not in /usr/lib. Can you open up a terminal and run 'firefox-esr' from the command line and see what happens (a virtual terminal in your desktop) |
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| 02:21.48 | Infomaniack | @somiaj I shamefully have never ran a vm. I dont know a good one to choose yet. I will boot from the USB and get back to you in 5. |
| 02:22.18 | somiaj | okay, but it sounds liek the launcher you are using is misconfigured. |
| 02:22.51 | Infomaniack | @somiaj where should that command be |
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| 02:23.47 | somiaj | depending on your desktop you'll be able to open a terminal. That will give you a command line you can type the command into. |
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| 02:24.12 | somiaj | how you open it depends on your desktop, it should be in your applications menu |
| 02:24.20 | awal1 | Infomaniack, virtual terminal doesn't mean virtualized system |
| 02:24.43 | Infomaniack | @somiaj no. no. no. where should the firefox-esr be if not in the /usr/lib path? |
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| 02:25.20 | dvs | /usr/bin ? |
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| 02:26.03 | Infomaniack | @dvs thats what I would think |
| 02:26.05 | awal1 | bin |
| 02:26.18 | dvs | Infomaniack, That's where it is here. |
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| 02:26.43 | somiaj | Infomaniack: it should be in /usr/bin/firefox-esr, but without any actual info we can't say much about your system. |
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| 02:32.31 | Infomaniack | @somiaj understandable. Also I am on windows. What would be the best way to run a virtual terminal? |
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| 02:34.06 | Infomaniack | @awal1 learned something new today |
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| 02:35.24 | awal1 | he just mean open a terminal |
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| 02:36.05 | Infomaniack | @awal1 o. ok lol |
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| 02:38.59 | awal1 | but usually by virtual terminal people refers to a Console, tty, not in a graphical environment |
| 02:39.12 | awal1 | he left yet :P |
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| 02:44.08 | Myth0s | Infomaniack, for a bash terminal in windows try cygwin |
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| 03:42.44 | Infomaniack | @somiaj I moved the firefox directory to /usr/bin. (I had some issues with mv since there is a file within firefox-esr called firefox-esr). However when I click the firefox icon on the top right of screen I get "failed to execute child process for the /usr/lib directory. |
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| 03:43.51 | dvs | Infomaniack, you shouldn't have to move your firefox directory if you used a .deb file to install it. |
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| 03:44.53 | Infomaniack | @dvs I have no idea why this would happen. Firefox launched fine at first |
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| 06:37.48 | jaami_______ | hi, my mouse cannot revert back to the normal scrolling after selecting Natural Scrolling on. |
| 06:38.58 | jaami_______ | i switched off the Natural Scrolling but mouse still follow it. what i should do to stop Natural scrolling |
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| 06:41.08 | blaztek | jaami_______: not sure but have you tried logging out and back in? |
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| 06:42.00 | jaami_______ | blaztek: no i did not try loggin out. my laptop goes hibernate |
| 06:43.18 | jaami_______ | this command i checked online but it did not work-- echo "pointer = 1 2 3 5 4 7 6 8 9 10 11 12" > ~/.Xmodmap && xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap |
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| 06:45.38 | jaami_______ | blaztek: multiple VMs are running so thinking if you can help with command in terminal |
| 06:46.26 | jaami_______ | last restart was 2 days ago. |
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| 06:49.04 | jaami_______ | my mistake i tried Natural scrolling for no reason. i dont even need it because my VMs are windows guests.scrolling has become Natural problem |
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| 06:50.45 | jaami_______ | GUI is always problem, i dont understand why developers cannot fix miner issues with debian GUI |
| 06:50.53 | blaztek | jaami_______: try https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/307928/how-to-disable-natural-scrolling |
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| 06:56.48 | jaami_______ | blaztek: i checked those commands in terminal. but problem was not fixed. i think i should try logout |
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| 06:57.32 | blaztek | jaami_______: just detach your VMs |
| 06:58.21 | jaami_______ | blaztek: detach without sutting down VMs? |
| 06:58.40 | jaami_______ | ***shutdown |
| 06:59.38 | jaami_______ | let me do the shut down of all VMs and debian too |
| 06:59.41 | blaztek | Yes. Mine run detached from the GUI so I don’t always have to be logged in. |
| 06:59.58 | jaami_______ | oh ok |
| 07:00.19 | blaztek | Virtual |
| 07:00.22 | blaztek | Box |
| 07:00.50 | jaami_______ | blaztek: how i can do the same setup for my VMs too? |
| 07:00.56 | jaami_______ | yes, Vbox |
| 07:02.24 | jaami_______ | let me restart system. |
| 07:02.38 | blaztek | Okay |
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| 07:09.34 | blaztek | jaami_______, instead of clicking Start for the VM, click the drop down arrow and choose "Headless Start" or "Detachable Start". |
| 07:09.53 | blaztek | jaami_______, you can also do it from the command line |
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| 07:11.38 | blaztek | jaami_______, `VBoxManage startvm --type headless your-guid-goes-here-instead` |
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| 07:21.15 | jaami_______ | blaztek: the natural Scrolling cannot be fixed. I got the understanding of headless start |
| 07:22.55 | blaztek | jaami_______, that sucks about the natural scrolling |
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| 07:23.58 | jaami_______ | blaztek: i am working on a dashboard. have to get involved in actual work now. Yes, that natural scrolling is natural problem i guess :) Thank you for your help. i will try to find you next time. |
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| 08:41.06 | cariveri | Hi. after an ugrade to jessie the locales seems to be messed up. get a warning: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 08:41.37 | cariveri | also LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "C" ... |
| 08:41.43 | jelly | that's not all perl says, there's a line above |
| 08:41.56 | jelly | show the complete output |
| 08:41.58 | jelly | !paste |
| 08:41.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:42.24 | cariveri | also locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 08:43.03 | jelly | can you pastebin the full command line you ran and the complete output |
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| 08:43.17 | cariveri | jelly: is that perhaps enough? I ran dpkg-reconfigure to setup loales. |
| 08:44.14 | jelly | it should be, if you enabled the actual locales perl complained about |
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| 08:47.04 | cariveri | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/1015969/ |
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| 08:48.00 | jelly | so you have set en_US.UTF-8, en_GB.UTF-8, de_DE.UTF-8 |
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| 08:49.02 | cariveri | oh. yes. I just ran recofngiure locales again and also select en_US.UTF-8 . It wasnt setup, but used it seems. |
| 08:49.08 | cariveri | Generation complete. |
| 08:49.12 | descuidado | im trying to configure grub's resolution on /etc/default/grub, but for some reason wrong resolution persists, i also make sure i use update-grub, also btw, is it a good idea to install aptitude? |
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| 08:59.12 | eeewww | best pdf reader for debian? |
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| 09:21.00 | __marco | I don't know why |
| 09:21.11 | __marco | updating the repo does not help |
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| 09:46.59 | sitral | hello |
| 09:47.21 | milpool | hi. i need to list all licenses (GPL etc) for the installed packages on a debian system. is there a way to do this automatically? |
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| 09:47.50 | sitral | I could not find help in Google about how to remove nvidia-driver and use the Nouveau instead... it is because nvidia ones seem not to support DRI2 |
| 09:51.48 | rephlexie | milpool, something like this maybe? https://github.com/daald/dpkg-licenses |
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| 09:54.51 | milpool | rephlexie: exactly like that, thanks! seems like this will cover at least a bunch |
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| 10:15.26 | DerAlfe | Hey there. I got a new toy on my desk and want to install debian on it. The twist: It just has Network Ports. I was looking for an easy approach, to stuff an image into the USB Slot of the machine and boot it. But there doesn't seem to be a "Raspbian"-Like approach to this issue. |
| 10:16.32 | DerAlfe | Or is there some magic value in grub i can set, to enable ssh on startup and set a password? |
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| 10:48.12 | Emil | Hi |
| 10:49.48 | Emil | I'm building things but menuconfig symbols are garbage (xs and qs instead of the normal symbols) |
| 10:50.01 | Emil | libncurses is installed |
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| 10:50.45 | ksk | DerAlfe: that does totally depend on your toy. are you sure it does run grub at all? eg some NAS systems use uboot bootloader. |
| 10:50.50 | Emil | Should I install some additional packages? |
| 10:52.27 | Emil | I installed all possible ncurses-* packages (there are 6) and the problem persists. My $TERM is xterm-256color |
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| 10:53.38 | DerAlfe | ksk: How can I find out without having a screen at all |
| 10:54.13 | Emil | by symbols are garbage I mean the horizontal and vertical lines are rendered as q and x |
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| 11:01.34 | HurricaneHarry | DerAlfe: Any markings on the toy wich may tell what it is ? |
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| 11:02.17 | DerAlfe | It's exactly this one: https://www.apu-board.de/produkte/apu3c4.html |
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| 11:03.24 | bezaban | DerAlfe: you can use a serial console |
| 11:03.39 | DerAlfe | I got the serial console attached. |
| 11:03.45 | bezaban | at least that's what I did on one of their previous models |
| 11:04.02 | DerAlfe | but i dont get any signal on the serial console |
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| 11:04.27 | bezaban | did you try tweaking the flow bits and baud etc? |
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| 11:04.44 | DerAlfe | Is serial console enabled by default? |
| 11:04.48 | DerAlfe | I just tried to screen on it |
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| 11:05.16 | bezaban | I've used minicom and putty with success |
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| 11:05.39 | bezaban | there is also a basic bios where you can tweak some settings |
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| 11:06.08 | bezaban | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.28 | bezaban | https://www.pcengines.ch/ht_com.htm |
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| 11:07.37 | bezaban | oh. wait, this is not pcengines.ch, I think they're the same boards though |
| 11:08.07 | DerAlfe | Ok. Just put everything in moserial and openedd (what is hopefully the right) ttyUSB. gonna restart the board... |
| 11:08.44 | DerAlfe | Aaaand, got a signal |
| 11:08.47 | bezaban | :D |
| 11:09.23 | DerAlfe | Ouh. There is a coreboot |
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| 11:11.19 | HurricaneHarry | DerAlfe: the pdf manual is downloadable on the right on your url. |
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| 11:15.05 | HurricaneHarry | DerAlfe: also https://www.hiroom2.com/2017/06/19/debian-9-grub2-and-linux-with-serial-console/ might help in creating an image to boot from with serial console. |
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| 11:16.34 | DerAlfe | HurricaneHarry: Looks like something I need |
| 11:16.46 | DerAlfe | Whef. So. I got a signal now and its running memtest. |
| 11:16.56 | DerAlfe | Which is nice. |
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| 11:17.38 | DerAlfe | But how do i change the files inside the iso? |
| 11:17.47 | DerAlfe | when i mount the netinst iso its always "ro" |
| 11:18.03 | DerAlfe | when i try to use isomaster, an unbootable image comes out of the process |
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| 11:19.15 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 11:20.11 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm coming from Arch Linux where you could set "hooks" when you invoked a upgrade so that when a package was upgraded a command was ran afterwards. Can I do something similar in Debian with Apt-get? |
| 11:20.27 | DerAlfe | So i need to somehow change the grub entry, to add serial output on boot |
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| 11:21.47 | NCS_One | hi |
| 11:22.20 | HurricaneHarry | DerAlfe: my best guess would be dd the iso to an usb stick (linux) |
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| 11:22.33 | DerAlfe | got it on an usb stick already |
| 11:23.10 | DerAlfe | But just can mount the USB Stick as Read Only Filesystem |
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| 11:25.07 | NCS_One | at home I have a Debian OS but at work I have to use windows :(, currently I'm using mingw64 that came with Git install. I was thinking on instaling a linux subsystem from windows store. Should I just keep using mingw64, install subsystem or is there a better solution? |
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| 11:27.47 | syshape | When Debian changes the stable release, let's say from jessie to stretch, does it means that the jessie package repository won't evolve ? |
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| 11:29.14 | petn-randall | syshape: The oldstable release will still be maintained for a year, then usually the LTS team takes over and maintains it for a few more years. |
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| 11:32.44 | HurricaneHarry | DerAlfe: I have arrived at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 11:36.18 | DerAlfe | I'm here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 11:36.30 | DerAlfe | Sry: No Gutest to Host copying ;) |
| 11:36.44 | DerAlfe | https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/218095 - here I mean |
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| 12:52.57 | Mikjaer | I need to install Debian onto an HP Microserver with 2x250GB HD running in mirror 1, when i setup two raids (one for root and one for swap) through the installer, grub refuses to install. What is the recommeded way of doing this for debian 9? |
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| 12:55.17 | Mikjaer | https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2013/10/04/how-to-configure-software-raid1-during-installation-process/ <- i am doing it like it's described in this tutorial, and im sure it has worked for me before. |
| 12:56.06 | sitral | I could revert to Nouveau drivers but still I can not start a EGL DRI2 app (Qt), I get the following error: QXcbIntegration: Cannot create platform OpenGL context, neither GLX nor EGL are enabled |
| 12:56.13 | sitral | I am using Buster |
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| 12:58.46 | sitral | I got the following warning: libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to open nouveau (search paths /usr/lib/dri) |
| 12:59.41 | sitral | but I created a link named /usr/lib/dri to point to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/ and have checked with strace that the nouveau library is actually opened |
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| 14:20.54 | r4co0n | Hi. When configuring unattended-upgrades, the default config at /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades has a commented line about using apt's bandwidth limit feature. If I enable this, will all of apt's downloads will be limited or just those of unattended-upgrades. |
| 14:21.35 | r4co0n | I suspect the former, the statement is Acquire::http::Dl-Limit "70"; |
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| 14:24.05 | Kev- | I have my primary ethernet interface set up like this: https://pastebin.com/LiHG23PQ , but the .99 address doesn't come up automatically... Am I missing some directive in the interfaces file? |
| 14:25.37 | r4co0n | Kev-, try dropping line 3, as far as I can tell 'inter' is garbage and you don't want both dhcp and static |
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| 14:28.22 | Kev- | r4co0n: I do want dhcp and static tho - and the interface comes up with both static and dhcp on bootup, just doesn't restore the static one when it seems to drop for random reasons after bootup (might be after a few days even) |
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| 14:31.26 | Pegasus_RPG | Kev-: How does that even work? I would expect the other hosts and routers on the network to become horribly confused, having two addresses to reach the same host. I would recommend setting up two virtual interfaces if you need this functionality |
| 14:31.31 | r4co0n | Kev-, it should still be "... inet dhcp" in line 3, I think. I only knew the legacy method of getting multiple ips on one interface, sorry for the confusion. |
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| 14:32.12 | r4co0n | Pegasus_RPG, he's doing this: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#iproute2_method |
| 14:32.35 | r4co0n | What we know is the legacy method above... |
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| 14:32.53 | r4co0n | From what I see there, it should work... |
| 14:33.16 | Pegasus_RPG | The "Note however that this method is dangerous!" bit would give me pause. :) |
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| 14:33.31 | r4co0n | sure thing, I only skimmed it :) |
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| 14:35.00 | Pegasus_RPG | r4co0n: as for your question, I'm pretty sure making adjustments in the unattended-upgrades file only affects unattended-upgrades. But I've never used it. (I run an apt-cacher-ng server that has its bandwidth limited and my hosts all use that as their update source.) |
| 14:35.10 | Kev- | Yeah I'm not sure what I'm doing. i've only done this with the old method, and this new method isn't working completely for me |
| 14:35.57 | r4co0n | Pegasus_RPG, well, it's one of many config files in apt.conf.d, I would expect apt to read those, regardless of their name. |
| 14:36.05 | Pegasus_RPG | oh good point |
| 14:36.43 | Pegasus_RPG | You could always test by setting the limit to something really low and doing apt update and see if it takes much longer |
| 14:37.00 | Barones | Doesn't wine create a launcher on debian 9 stretch? I'm trying to associate .exe extensions to wine but it doesnt show up in file manager |
| 14:37.35 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: You may need to run winecfg first to set things up |
| 14:38.14 | r4co0n | Pegasus_RPG, yeah, I'll have to test that, I am writing a bit of automation around deploying unattended-upgrades, I think I won't set this by default until I have tested :P |
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| 14:39.32 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: But otherwise, you could try right-clicking an EXE file and manually setting "Open With..." to /usr/bin/wine. I use KDE's Dolphin and this works for me. |
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| 14:40.22 | Barones | Pegasus_RPG, I'm using gnome and the option to select a path doesn't show up to me |
| 14:40.44 | Barones | I'm looking for something in winecfg |
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| 14:42.12 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: Nautilus, right? |
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| 14:42.36 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: does this help? https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/change-default-applications-easily-in-gnome/ |
| 14:43.00 | Ilyas | when im running a Debian guest vm in Virtualbox with multiple network interfaces, how can I activate both at the same time? |
| 14:43.10 | Pegasus_RPG | System | Preferences | Preferred Applications or right-click a file and click "Open with other application" |
| 14:43.15 | Ilyas | right now, whenever I activate one, the other deactivates |
| 14:43.21 | r4co0n | Pegasus_RPG, the thing is, nautilus only let's you select registered applications with "Open with", you can't select an executable |
| 14:43.28 | Ilyas | one is a NAT and the other is host-only, if that matters |
| 14:44.02 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: what do you mean "deactivates?" Loses its network connection or stops running? |
| 14:44.48 | Pegasus_RPG | r4co0n, Barones: From that article "Click the "Add" button and scroll the list. If the application you want to use is listed, select it. If not, click the triangle beside the "Use a custom command" text string and either browse for the application or enter in the full path and filename to the application." |
| 14:45.13 | Ilyas | Pegasus_RPG: uh, both? |
| 14:45.15 | Barones | Pegasus_RPG, what r4co0n said is what is happening to me, wine doesn't show up as a registered app, so I can't select it |
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| 14:45.33 | r4co0n | Pegasus_RPG, they optimized this. |
| 14:45.37 | Barones | I was thinking to create a .desktop file and place %F in exec path |
| 14:45.43 | r4co0n | Pegasus_RPG, there is no triangle anymore |
| 14:46.08 | Pegasus_RPG | XD |
| 14:46.43 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: oh sorry, I read "two VMs" rather than "two network interfaces" |
| 14:47.26 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: that's odd then. Does anything interesting appear in syslog when you try activating both? |
| 14:47.54 | Ilyas | lemme check |
| 14:48.36 | Barones | https://imgur.com/64X3Re1 |
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| 14:48.46 | Barones | this is the page |
| 14:48.48 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
| 14:49.00 | ychaouche | should I disable rpcbind and rpc.statd if I'm not using NFS ? |
| 14:49.07 | ychaouche | they're showing up in lsof -i |
| 14:49.28 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: huh. I wonder why "add" is grayed out at the bottom. Does it light up if you click one of the "other applications" list? |
| 14:49.57 | Barones | The add, add the selected app as a default program |
| 14:50.05 | Pegasus_RPG | ychaouche: why not just remove the nfs packages? |
| 14:50.24 | ychaouche | Pegasus_RPG: I wonder which ones ? |
| 14:50.33 | Pegasus_RPG | ychaouche: dpkg -l |grep -i nfs |
| 14:50.35 | Barones | like this https://imgur.com/UNio3z1 |
| 14:51.09 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: weird. I'd ask in #gnome. |
| 14:51.19 | Barones | Thanks Pegasus_RPG :) |
| 14:51.20 | ychaouche | nfs-common. Hum. I wonder why did I install this |
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| 14:52.00 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: sorry I can't help more. I'm a KDE guy. :) |
| 14:52.26 | Pegasus_RPG | ychaouche: make sure removing that doesn't also remove other packages you need/want |
| 14:52.36 | Pegasus_RPG | (Other things might depend on it) |
| 14:52.54 | r4co0n | Barones, creating a launcher with 'gnome-desktop-item-edit --create-new ~/.local/share/applications/' seems the way to go |
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| 14:53.55 | Ilyas | Pegasus_RPG: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/171a338d/ |
| 14:53.57 | r4co0n | You can search for wine there, give it a sane name, and afterwards it should appear in your applications and also for 'open with'. |
| 14:54.03 | Ilyas | I think that's the relevant lines |
| 14:54.13 | ychaouche | hum. I still have rpcbind running |
| 14:54.25 | ychaouche | rpc.statd has gone from sight. |
| 14:54.59 | ychaouche | do I need rpcbind ? |
| 14:55.02 | Barones | thanks r4co0n I will do that but I'm a little impressed that this have to be done to associae a extension to wine |
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| 14:55.13 | ychaouche | what programs rely on it ? |
| 14:55.14 | Barones | could be more simple |
| 14:55.14 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: oh, Network Manager seems to think you only have one network interface and you're just changing the profile it uses. What's in your /etc/network/interfaces[.d] ? |
| 14:56.07 | Pegasus_RPG | ychaouche: also remove the rpcbind package: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=rpcbind&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 14:56.24 | Pegasus_RPG | again, as long as it doesn't cause other needed packages to be removed |
| 14:56.24 | Ilyas | Pegasus_RPG: thanks. interfaces only has the lo interface |
| 14:56.29 | r4co0n | Barones, the .desktop file is missing, I have no idea why. It would be good if you could investigate if it is really not there or only not read, and file an appropriate bug, if necessary. |
| 14:56.38 | Ilyas | Pegasus_RPG: interfaces.d is empty |
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| 14:57.34 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: Then you don't actually have multiple interfaces. :) |
| 14:57.39 | Pegasus_RPG | At least not configured. |
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| 14:57.56 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: what does lspci |grep -i ethernet show? |
| 14:59.02 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: perhaps more importantly, what is in the VM's hardware config page in the VirtualBox manager? |
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| 14:59.38 | Ilyas | lspci says `00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02)` twice |
| 15:00.00 | Ilyas | so does vbox |
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| 15:00.17 | r4co0n | Barones, I just checked, wine does indeed install without a desktop file, but it does ship with an example file you can amend, at /usr/share/doc/wine/examples/wine.desktop |
| 15:00.20 | Emil | Okay so a strange issue |
| 15:00.23 | Ilyas | both are the Intel pro/1000 nic, virtualized obviously |
| 15:00.29 | Emil | my groups are different when logging in remotely and locally |
| 15:00.34 | Emil | how should I fix it |
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| 15:01.04 | Barones | r4co0n, I created a laucher with %F and that solved it, now it shows up in the file manager |
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| 15:01.31 | krukudilo | ychaouche, if your not using nfs you can remove rpcbind |
| 15:01.50 | Barones | cool, by curiosity and because I'm still learning about linux, where did u check that? |
| 15:02.08 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: and what does ls -l /sys/class/net/e* show? |
| 15:02.55 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: That syslog output you pasted does talk about two interfaces, though I'm puzzled as to how it knows about them if they're not defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:03.05 | Ilyas | ya |
| 15:03.14 | Ilyas | I'll get you the output in a sec |
| 15:03.30 | Ilyas | a quick online search shows that I'm not the only one with this issue |
| 15:03.49 | Barones | thanks r4co0n |
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| 15:04.15 | r4co0n | Barones, this works for all Debian packages: Go to https://packages.debian.org/ - search for it, in this case https://packages.debian.org/stretch/wine - and at the bottom, click on 'list of files' for the appropriate architecture. There I saw one .desktop file... |
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| 15:04.56 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: I would suggest going lower-lever first: stop network manager (and networking) then define the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces even as just "allow-hotplug ethX" |
| 15:05.07 | r4co0n | Barones, this get's harder if you have to look through many dependencies, there are tools like 'apt-file' to help with that. |
| 15:05.12 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: such that ip addr lists them |
| 15:05.45 | Ilyas | Pegasus_RPG: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f54345ed/ |
| 15:05.54 | r4co0n | Barones, If I wouldn't have been quite sure that the .desktop file is shipped with the meta package, it would have gotten hard. |
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| 15:06.08 | Ilyas | ip addr does list them tho |
| 15:06.14 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: okay, just confirming. |
| 15:06.17 | Ilyas | but I'll edit interfaces |
| 15:06.30 | Ilyas | what does allow-hotplug dow btw? |
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| 15:06.39 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: well shoot, maybe just do ifup enp0s10 && ifup enp0s3 and see what happens |
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| 15:07.22 | Ilyas | haha `ifup: unknown interface enp0s10` |
| 15:07.31 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: IIUC, it just causes signals to be set to applications (e.g. Network Manager) when the interface is unplugged. Not really critical. |
| 15:07.31 | Ilyas | so something is not quite adding up |
| 15:07.36 | Pegasus_RPG | yeah |
| 15:07.39 | Pegasus_RPG | scratches head |
| 15:07.48 | Ilyas | can we blame virtualbox? |
| 15:07.57 | Ilyas | well, I dont mind either way :) |
| 15:08.01 | Ilyas | brb hacking interfaces |
| 15:08.06 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: no, because both interfaces are showing up in lspci |
| 15:08.13 | Pegasus_RPG | so VBox is working correctly |
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| 15:08.45 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: if ip addr lists them both, then maybe you just need to restart the VM |
| 15:09.00 | r4co0n | Barones, "apt-file search wine.desktop" would have also helped, it shows all packages providing a file ending with "wine.desktop" |
| 15:09.28 | Barones | Nice, I appreciate the help |
| 15:09.28 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: also, if you want them both to come up on boot, add "auto ethX" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:10.05 | Barones | apt-file didn't work for me |
| 15:10.05 | Ilyas | ya thanks |
| 15:10.14 | Pegasus_RPG | er you know, "auto enp0s10" and "auto enp0s3" |
| 15:10.17 | Barones | I use apt search to look for packages |
| 15:10.20 | Ilyas | editing the interface file and kicking the networking service seem to be working |
| 15:10.25 | Ilyas | w00! thanks |
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| 15:10.41 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: you're welcome. Do try rebooting the VM to make sure it does what you want on boot |
| 15:11.14 | Ilyas | doign so now |
| 15:11.29 | Barones | lo, I just looked for it, it isn't pre installed in debian |
| 15:11.55 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: I use http://packages.debian.org :D |
| 15:12.05 | Barones | I need to know how packages work better r4co0n |
| 15:12.20 | Barones | nice Pegasus_RPG just learned that now |
| 15:12.38 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: e.g. click Search for Packages and enter wine.deskop |
| 15:12.55 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: er I mean Search the contents of packages |
| 15:13.50 | Ilyas | Pegasus_RPG: a reboot broke both eth interfaces :( |
| 15:13.57 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: On that note, install the apt-file package to get that functionality |
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| 15:14.03 | Barones | Pegasus_RPG, sorry for asking, but a meta-package is only a script that install dependencies to a package? |
| 15:14.03 | Ilyas | at least, I cant manage them via the GUI anymore |
| 15:14.15 | r4co0n | Pegasus_RPG, check https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement - There are good links from there |
| 15:14.17 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: Did you add the auto lines to interfaces? |
| 15:14.26 | Ilyas | yea, sec |
| 15:14.35 | r4co0n | I mean Barones, check https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement - There are good links from there |
| 15:14.42 | r4co0n | Sorry Pegasus_RPG |
| 15:15.01 | Pegasus_RPG | np |
| 15:15.07 | Ilyas | oh wait, it does seem to be working |
| 15:15.13 | Ilyas | but the GUI is confused about it |
| 15:15.24 | Ilyas | well, that's a minor issue |
| 15:15.26 | Pegasus_RPG | Barones: it's a package that doesn't install anything but merely depends on other packages that provide the thing |
| 15:15.48 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: yeah, you may now need to edit your network profiles in Network Manager |
| 15:16.04 | Ilyas | how do I go about that? is that a gui thing or a cli? |
| 15:16.09 | Pegasus_RPG | Or just remove Network Manager altogether if that suits you |
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| 15:16.45 | Pegasus_RPG | oh geez, I'm getting confused between Network manager and KDE's network connection manager GUI |
| 15:16.47 | Pegasus_RPG | sec |
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| 15:17.04 | Ilyas | yeah, the docs pages are giving me headaches |
| 15:17.08 | Ilyas | but dont worry about it for now |
| 15:17.19 | Ilyas | my VM has connectivity so I'm all helped for now |
| 15:17.21 | Ilyas | thanks again :) |
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| 15:17.47 | Ilyas | oh here "NetworkManager will only handle interfaces not declared in /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 15:17.52 | Ilyas | that does explain a thing or two |
| 15:18.06 | Ilyas | since I declared them now, they show up as unmanaged |
| 15:18.09 | Ilyas | lolol |
| 15:18.11 | Pegasus_RPG | Ilyas: no problem. But yeah, if you don't need to change things around much now that you're connected, you could just remove/disable network-manager completely |
| 15:18.25 | Pegasus_RPG | really strange it didn't just work for you out of the box though |
| 15:19.06 | Pegasus_RPG | e.g. I don't have it installed on my servers |
| 15:19.20 | Pegasus_RPG | Since their network config remains static once set up |
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| 15:21.13 | Ilyas | yeah, this isnt a prod box |
| 15:21.20 | Ilyas | normall I wouldnt even have a gui |
| 15:24.43 | r4co0n | Someone should really go over https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement - Those recommendations of aptitude over apt-get/apt are fairly out-of-date. |
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| 15:29.21 | babilen | r4co0n: Knock yourself out! |
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| 15:37.04 | frikinz | They've been partially removed https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement?action=diff&rev2=34&rev1=33 |
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| 15:44.53 | likcoras | So I think I got a /56 routed to me by following this https://documentation.online.net/en/dedicated-server/network/ipv6/prefix I'm not clear if I can do https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/IPv6#Details:IPv6routedblock or if I need to follow the workaround instructions. |
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| 15:45.57 | likcoras | 'ip a' gives me 2001:stuff::1/56 on this interface. |
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| 15:58.49 | Emil | I'm experiencing kvm permission issues |
| 15:59.46 | Emil | The error I'm getting is: Could not access KVM kernel module: Permission denied\nfailed to initialize KVM: Permission denied |
| 16:00.11 | Emil | Here's the command I'm trying: qemu-system-x86_64 -kernel $top/build/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage -initrd $top/build/initramfs-busybox.cpio.gz -nographic -append "console=ttyS0" -enable-kvm |
| 16:00.20 | Emil | $top is defined correctly |
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| 16:04.12 | NCS_One | hi |
| 16:06.21 | NCS_One | anyone know how can I have fullscreen on debian stretch installed on virtualbox? |
| 16:07.06 | greycat | you probably want the "vbox guest extensions" |
| 16:08.39 | armin | mh, so i have this wireshark installed which uses qt. my whole desktop is DARK but wireshark is hurting my eyes. do i have any way to make that thing dark? |
| 16:08.50 | greycat | dpkg stretch-vbox-guest |
| 16:08.50 | dpkg | i heard stretch-vbox-guest is Ilyas> oh, I got it working! I followed this guide https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/install-virtualbox-guest-additions-debian-9-stretch |
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| 16:14.02 | NCS_One | I have it working now, thanks |
| 16:14.18 | NCS_One | was missign the "build-essentials" |
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| 16:22.26 | r4co0n | babilen, was afk, but: what? |
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| 16:29.25 | Ilyas | uhoh |
| 16:29.34 | Ilyas | im stuck in the system! |
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| 16:32.44 | babilen | r4co0n: You mentioned changes to the wiki |
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| 16:47.37 | r4co0n | babilen, and 'Knock yourself out" is supposed to mean "Go at it (and rewrite the rest of it too)" or what? |
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| 16:49.52 | greycat | "Knock yourself out" means "Go ahead. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea, but it's your life." Or something close to that. |
| 16:49.54 | OS-36731 | Hello everyone |
| 16:50.05 | OS-36731 | anyone ever had a issue with openvpn |
| 16:50.20 | babilen | Well, I think editing the wiki to reflect current best practices is a great idea |
| 16:50.22 | OS-36731 | it asks for auth without first prompting for a user name |
| 16:50.25 | babilen | It just needs someone to do it |
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| 16:52.38 | netcat | maybe it just wants the password to the key, OS-36731 |
| 16:53.30 | annadane | "knock yourself out" = drink heavily |
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| 16:55.04 | babilen | It just means "do as you please" |
| 16:55.27 | annadane | "do as you please" = drink heavily |
| 16:56.14 | babilen | Are you Finnish? |
| 16:56.33 | babilen | Anyway .. this is not really the best topic for #debian |
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| 16:56.39 | r4co0n | Thanks for clarification, I think I got it right. |
| 16:57.17 | netcat | finds humor in these remarks |
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| 16:58.10 | greycat | wonders what the hell r4co0n and babilen are talking about, scrolls up a bit, sees nothing, tries /lastlog r4co0n, sees gnome-desktop-item-edit, stops wondering or caring |
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| 16:58.50 | r4co0n | armin, you might want to look at qt5-style-plugins, it seems to provide additional theming for qt apps and talks about environment variable QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME for setting the theme. |
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| 16:59.27 | r4co0n | notices greycat is bad at scrolling |
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| 17:00.49 | greycat | the previous discussion was over 2 hours ago, so yeah, I didn't scroll up that far before giving up and trying /lastlog |
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| 17:02.29 | r4co0n | It's 157 lines from the original message to stopping to use "<nick>," |
| 17:02.53 | greycat | You have no way of knowing how many other channels and event-messages I've got in this window in the last 2.25 hours. |
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| 17:21.50 | aexl | hi how do i disable automatic download of newer packages? |
| 17:22.21 | greycat | I have been told "dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades" |
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| 17:23.49 | aexl | greycat: it asks for "automatic download AND install". and no was already chosen. |
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| 17:24.46 | aexl | it used to work for me when disabled through dconf. but with upgrading from wheezy to stretch it downloads again. |
| 17:25.12 | greycat | Another thing you may want to investigate is removing or disabling 'packagekit'. |
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| 17:29.20 | aexl | apt-get remove packagekit \The following packages will be REMOVED:\ gnome-core gnome-software packagekit packagekit-tools |
| 17:29.56 | annadane | apt-mark manual gnome-core gnome-software (probably) |
| 17:29.57 | greycat | ,info gnome-core |
| 17:29.58 | judd | Package gnome-core (metapackages, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components. Version: 1:3.22+3; Size: 24.2k; Installed: 32k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome-core |
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| 17:30.09 | greycat | It's 32k. It's a meta-package. |
| 17:30.13 | JackK | Is it grub that creates vmlinuz and initramfs-linux symlinks? Anyone know how I can add that to my configuration? |
| 17:30.15 | nadersith | good evening |
| 17:30.16 | marsje | I wonder how it is possible that if I do "apt remove libssl1.0.0" it also removings applications like squirrelmail and python2.6? |
| 17:30.16 | annadane | ah. |
| 17:30.30 | greycat | marsje: then don't remove it |
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| 17:30.50 | marsje | greycat: I expected a message like: you can't remove because this and that depends on it |
| 17:31.13 | greycat | that is precisely what "dpkg --remove libssl1.0.0" will tell you. |
| 17:31.30 | greycat | apt remove will offer to remove more stuff for you, and prompt for confirmation |
| 17:32.45 | marsje | greycat: the output of dpkg makes more sense to me |
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| 17:34.19 | marsje | greycat: it does also show me all those packages depends on libssl >= 1.0.0, and libssl1.0.2 is also installed |
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| 17:34.59 | greycat | libssl1.0.0 and libssl1.0.2 are DIFFERENT packages |
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| 17:35.08 | greycat | ii libssl1.0.0:am 1.0.1t-1+deb amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - sh |
| 17:35.08 | greycat | ii libssl1.0.2:am 1.0.2l-2+deb amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - sh |
| 17:35.22 | netcat | apt-mark manual... and i've been doing --reinstall all this time to get the same result |
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| 17:35.52 | marsje | greycat: ah ok |
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| 17:43.34 | capin | hello 👋 , I recently started tinkering with cron jobs, and I setup a cron job for my particular user on my debian box, I created the job by running `crontab -u capin -e` which creates a file in the `/tmp` folder. Is there anyway I run this cronjob, ie. "right now" kind of like how the `run-parts` command can run the scripts / jobs in `/etc/cron.daily` when invoked? |
| 17:44.18 | greycat | capin: the temp file is only used temporarily, by your text editor. Once you save, the contents get copied to the REAL place, and the temp file is removed. |
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| 17:44.43 | capin | greycat: where is the "REAL" place? |
| 17:44.50 | greycat | If you want to test a crontab entry, schedule it to run a minute or two from now, and wait. No other test will be actually useful. |
| 17:45.17 | greycat | Manually running the same command from your shell is NOT a useful test, because it runs with your interactive shell environment instead of cron's bare bones environment. |
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| 17:46.12 | capin | hmmm |
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| 17:48.05 | capin | is there not a way to invoke a cronjob using the "bare bones environment" without adjusting the time the job is run? |
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| 18:15.30 | Kobaz | sooooo |
| 18:15.42 | Kobaz | systemd.... /etc/init.d/openvpn restart [ ok ] Restarting openvpn (via systemctl): openvpn.service. |
| 18:15.50 | Kobaz | but it doesn't do anything... it's not actually restarting it |
| 18:16.06 | Kobaz | it's got the same pid before and after |
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| 18:16.23 | greycat | does it work if you use systemctl restart, instead of the init.d script? |
| 18:16.42 | Kobaz | it does actually |
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| 18:23.25 | kion | If I changed something in my /etc/hosts how can I make my System take the changes without having to reboot? |
| 18:24.45 | greycat | The only time you would need to reboot for a change to /etc/hosts is if you have some long-running service that cached it (e.g. nfs-kernel-server). In which case you could just restart that one service instead. |
| 18:25.10 | greycat | Otherwise, anything that reads /etc/hosts does so on demand. |
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| 18:32.55 | kion | greycat, so I just blocked Facebook by adding 0.0.0.0 facebook.com as stated here'http://news.softpedia.com/news/deletefacebook-how-to-completely-block-facebook-all-over-the-internet-520348.shtml' |
| 18:33.21 | kion | is there a way to know how many times that host was tried? I guess maybe with iptables? |
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| 18:33.35 | capin | greycat: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/213302/33002 👈 is kindof a hacky solution but allowed me to run my `user` scripts a `cron` user. |
| 18:34.00 | greycat | What local processes on your Debian computer are actually looking up that hostname? Are people using a web browser on the Debian system? |
| 18:34.36 | greycat | capin: ... huh? You wanted to run them as someone else than yourself? Then put them in that other person's crontab. Or put them in /etc/crontab with the username field. |
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| 18:35.44 | capin | no, i wanted to run them as myself |
| 18:36.03 | greycat | Then I can't parse "run my `user` scripts a `cron` user" |
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| 18:53.30 | kion | Can Iptables process domain names instead of ip addresses? like saying: iptables -A Output -d some.address.com -j DROP ? |
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| 18:54.28 | greycat | Is your Debian system actually the router for your network? |
| 18:54.40 | Junaos | kion: It can, but it will translate the names when the rules are added, not when packets pass. |
| 18:54.47 | Junaos | So if the IP for a DNS entry changes, IPTables will not update. |
| 18:55.18 | greycat | At some point you have to provide details. |
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| 19:05.24 | kion | Junaos, Thanks! that works for me, as this will be running on my laptop that reloads iptables every day |
| 19:05.57 | greycat | just gets more and more confused as this goes on |
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| 19:06.23 | greycat | Now it's a laptop? A single-user machine that has no business acting as a server? Why not just *not use facebook*? |
| 19:07.21 | Junaos | kion: Good luck with blocking Facebook that way (just scrolled up). Facebook has multiple IP addresses -- a huge pool. |
| 19:07.37 | Junaos | And IPTables, IIRC, will only grab whichever one resolves at that moment. |
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| 19:15.04 | annadane | kion, privacytools.io, check out browser extensions |
| 19:16.18 | t3st3r | greycat> facebook is also good at placing damn buttons on each and every web site around... so even if you do not use FB, it would use you :P |
| 19:17.03 | kion | Junaos, annadane thanks, it is just a little experiment, i don't have a FB account, and want to see if I end up logging a few connections after using the internet normally. |
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| 19:17.31 | greycat | So now you don't actually want to BLOCK facebook; you want to LOG connections made to it. |
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| 19:17.36 | t3st3r | of course these little pests are using cookies and generally track one down, even without account :) |
| 19:17.42 | greycat | This would be a whole lot easier using an http proxy. |
| 19:18.06 | t3st3r | then set up http proxy? :) |
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| 19:18.36 | greycat | itables works at the IP address level, which as others have pointed out is not going to help you very much in this case |
| 19:18.45 | t3st3r | though HTTPS could be harder to investigate |
| 19:18.56 | greycat | an http proxy works at the domain level; and yes, https would defeat that |
| 19:19.20 | greycat | as more and more of the web moves to https, proxies become more and more useless |
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| 19:19.42 | Junaos | Honestly, the better solution would be to blackhole the DNS for Facebook. Using something like PiHole. |
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| 19:19.49 | Junaos | If you were actually trying to block, and not just log, that is. |
| 19:20.03 | t3st3r | you can try to feed that with own self-signed cert if you added it to browser... but my guess would be facebook buttons/badges/etc. |
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| 19:20.21 | t3st3r | there're plenty of "login with facebook" buttons and somesuch in the web. |
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| 19:21.03 | t3st3r | so one can get connection to fb even without using FB... |
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| 19:21.35 | kion | annadane, Thanks for the tip! great page |
| 19:22.00 | kion | greycat, I want both, I want to block and log the attempts |
| 19:22.42 | t3st3r | then make it resolving to some fake address and log all attempts to that fake? :) |
| 19:23.49 | greycat | Well yes, now that we know the problem is "my web browser used only by me on this one machine", then the /etc/hosts hack might actually have a chance, if you can catch all of the hostnames that Facebook might use. |
| 19:23.50 | kion | I just read this article that suggests adding entries to your /etc/hosts as 0.0.0.0 whatever.facebook.address |
| 19:24.03 | kion | http://news.softpedia.com/news/deletefacebook-how-to-completely-block-facebook-all-over-the-internet-520348.shtml |
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| 19:24.45 | greycat | If there are a billion hostnames *.facebook.com then you'd want to use a DNS nameserver level hack instead of /etc/hosts. |
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| 19:25.33 | kion | greycat, that makes sense, this is becomming tougher than I thought |
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| 19:26.30 | annadane | personally ublock origin and probably https everywhere does all the stuff so i don't have to (there are other extensions but they're not currently compatible with firefox-esr in stretch) |
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| 19:26.50 | t3st3r | they are hard to get rid of, I can recommend ublock origin browser extension + some decent "annoyances" or "social" filter. |
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| 19:27.08 | kion | seems like something for Squid, although I have never used it |
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| 19:42.21 | KrisLT | every few weeks I face an error message [(initramfs): /dev/sda1/ contrains a file system with errors... UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck manualy] |
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| 19:43.16 | KrisLT | after doing fsck on recovery mode, the problem solves, and the system boots as usual for next few weeks, and then occours again. |
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| 19:44.07 | KrisLT | is there anything I could to avoid it or further debug to find out the reasons why I get that error message? |
| 19:44.16 | zPlus | hi, I'd like to install "gnome-builder" from debian stable. Unfortunately, it's pulling down this dependency http://mi.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/debian/pool/main/f/flatpak/flatpak_0.8.7-2~deb9u1_amd64.deb that seems to be missing (404). Is this a problem with the mirror? |
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| 19:44.58 | Tenkawa | zPlus: did you run apt-get update first to make sure your libraries are up to date? |
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| 19:46.18 | jhutchins_wk | ,v flatpack |
| 19:46.20 | judd | No package named 'flatpack' was found in amd64. |
| 19:46.20 | Tenkawa | that needs to be run to make sure the apt catalog/library is up to date |
| 19:46.26 | jhutchins_wk | ,v flatpak |
| 19:46.27 | judd | Package: flatpak on amd64 -- stretch-security: 0.8.5-2+deb9u1; jessie-backports: 0.8.9-0+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.8.9-0+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 0.10.4-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.11.3-3; sid: 0.11.3-3 |
| 19:46.45 | t3st3r | KrisLT> could be wise to check what exactly fsck fixes, eh? |
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| 19:47.01 | t3st3r | like running it manually in verbose/interactive mode, etc |
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| 19:49.38 | jhutchins_wk | KrisLT: Install smartmontools and enable it; watch dmesg for errors. If you're seeing errors there, buy a new disk NOW. Check your bad blocks - if the count is increasing, ditto, buy NOW. |
| 19:49.44 | t3st3r | also dmesg could eventually give you some hints... if things make no sense, check, say RAM. |
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| 19:53.57 | KrisLT | jhutchins_wk, thx |
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| 20:15.01 | Li | I've downloaded debian in 3 dvds .. everytime I use apt it asks me "mostly" to insert dvd1 into /media/cdrom which I do. Then I notice some parts are bing installed from dvd while others from http://cdn************ |
| 20:15.31 | Li | the question, Is it possible to completely intsall from dvds if I don't want any latest updates? |
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| 20:16.00 | greycat | the obvious way would be to disconnect the network cable |
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| 20:16.04 | Li | I think debian is great for an offline distro in that case, which is my problem with limited access to internet |
| 20:16.27 | Li | greycat: yeah I can test that but I don't break things on this installation |
| 20:16.33 | lldd | maybe remove urls from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:17.59 | Li | ok let me rephrase my question, Are those mentioned dvds supposed to represent/contain complete offline repository for debian? |
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| 20:23.09 | lldd | I don't think so, the complete repository has more GB than the dvds |
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| 20:25.25 | Li | lldd would be possible to grab the entire repo on hdd? How if so? any tutorials? |
| 20:26.14 | lldd | yes: Package: debmirror |
| 20:26.20 | lldd | for instance |
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| 20:34.10 | a_duck | i'm getting "Mesa DRI Unknown Intel Chipset" as my GL_RENDERER, and a GL_VERSION of 1.3 in this code: https://paste.debian.net/1016120/ it worked for Debian Jessie though. glxgears -info reports "Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile" as GL_RENDERER. anyone have any idea where i'm being an idiot? |
| 20:35.00 | stacks88 | my / partition has only 20 gb allocated. its reaching 98% used, so i noticed that i have lots of old files like /boot/initrd.img-3.13.*-generic -- can i just rm -f these files, or is there a proper procedure i need to follow before i can do taht? like clearly old files related to kernel that im not even using anymore.. i use stock/distrib kernels |
| 20:36.01 | bryceml | I have a question, can you trust that a udp or tcp packet with a source of either 127.0.0.1 or ::1 came from the loopback interface and not from any external facing interface on debian/linux? |
| 20:36.16 | jhutchins_wk | stacks88: You can purge the old kernels, that will clean up all of the associated files. 20G should be plenty for the OS. |
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| 20:37.05 | netcat | also, have you tried: sudo apt clean |
| 20:38.07 | netcat | and is your /home on a separate partition? |
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| 20:40.14 | jhutchins_wk | stacks88: It's not a good idea to arbitrarily delete files that were created by the system. Use the management tools instead. |
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| 20:45.49 | Tom_- | bryceml, i'm pretty sure |
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| 20:45.53 | t3st3r | stacks88> use apt to purge outdated kernels and also apt clean to clean up package cache. |
| 20:46.27 | t3st3r | bryceml> one can trick browser into doing request to 127.0.0.1 for example. |
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| 20:47.56 | t3st3r | so external resource could eventually provoke undesired activity targeting 127.0.0.1 despite it being unavailable from outside |
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| 20:50.15 | kion | If I have libreoffice installed and want to install the backports version, how should I do it? do I have to remove and install, or just install the backports one? I don't want to end with 2 libreoffices! |
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| 20:51.36 | lechucknet | kion, your question is answer buy you |
| 20:51.50 | hypn0 | dud you install 1st on with debs? |
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| 20:52.07 | lechucknet | package system works with different programs in route, if you want to install a ne verwion and dont have old one delete it first |
| 20:52.15 | lechucknet | or do apt upgrade (package name) |
| 20:52.16 | stacks88 | t3st3r: for example i have /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-76-generic -- but when i do dpkg -l|grep 3.13.0-76 i see: linux-headers-3.13.0-76, linux-headers-3.13.0-76-generic, linux-image-3.13.0-76-generic , linux-image-extra-3.13.0-76-generic, linux-tools-3.13.0-76, linux-tools-3.13.0-76-generic.. so are you saying i should do apt-get autoremove (each one of these)? or should i just do "apt-get remove" |
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| 20:54.38 | jhutchins_wk | kion: Just install the new package according to the instructions on the backports web page. |
| 20:55.16 | jhutchins_wk | kion: The good thing about backports is that the versioning works WITH the normal repos, so upgrades will work smoothly. |
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| 20:57.04 | t3st3r | stacks88> it depends if you can autoremove that. But you can surely "purge". Make sure not to purge your running kernel. |
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| 20:58.20 | t3st3r | and then "clean" removes downloaded deb packages, usually from /var/cache/apt/archives - these take plenty of space as well |
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| 21:03.16 | bryceml | thanks t3st3r |
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| 21:15.02 | annadane | someone remind me how to switch from nouveau -> nvidia and vice versa, i always forget (and need to write it down for once) |
| 21:15.13 | annadane | (i mean after installing the driver) |
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| 21:15.59 | annadane | oh, i think i remember |
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| 21:16.40 | annadane | update-alternatives --config glx |
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| 21:17.03 | annadane | !next |
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| 21:52.40 | argusbr | the license VMware Workstation can be used in vmware esxi? |
| 21:53.39 | ksk | argusbr: this is #debian, please go ask vmware |
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| 22:01.44 | SpaceSenate | hello |
| 22:02.04 | Tenkawa | hi |
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| 22:04.49 | Tenkawa | ouch crashed pretty hard |
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| 22:11.27 | rekt | Anyone use an OLED display? |
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| 22:12.30 | rekt | Over 1000 people and nobody uses oled? |
| 22:13.08 | rekt | this is a question about pixel mapping and preserving the display in debian |
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| 22:13.41 | Harm133 | hey guys, where can I get makeisofs ? I want to edit a file within an ISO which seems to be a pain in the as... |
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| 22:13.54 | rekt | Has anyone written a script to overlay a black pixel grid to preserve the display? |
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| 22:15.06 | axis_ | i want to install a kernel package via a script inside a chroot. but when i do this, it prompts me to install grub to a device. how can i figure out the debconf settings that i need to manipulate? |
| 22:15.10 | rekt | Such as like this https://goo.gl/images/N3fziF |
| 22:16.16 | rekt | The grid shifts every 5 minutes, blocking light from alternating pixels |
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| 22:51.46 | awal1 | what should I be looking for if I want to mount a removable media since boot? |
| 22:52.37 | awal1 | if not wrong, udev is for internal stuff; what about removable media stuff since boot (before login in X) ? |
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| 22:53.56 | awal1 | in my case , I am trying to find out how to make my usb wifi adapter connect just like my internal wifi card |
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| 22:54.39 | awal1 | I mean make it connect to my home wifi before login in X |
| 22:55.12 | n4dir | awal1: my wifi-dongle (if that is the name) get's recognized during boot. Why is beyond me, because it always happens |
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| 22:56.44 | n4dir | the connection happens through wicd (in my case) |
| 22:57.04 | awal1 | n4dir, if you boot right to virtual console (tty) do es your usb adapter connects to wifi? |
| 22:57.17 | awal1 | some people calls it dongle something yeah |
| 22:57.28 | awal1 | hm, using nm here |
| 22:58.03 | awal1 | i'll try with wicd later so |
| 22:58.10 | t3st3r | awal1> wi-fi is one thing and mount is another. How do they are related at all? |
| 22:59.04 | t3st3r | nm could start before X and without X and it could apply connections I guess. |
| 22:59.31 | n4dir | awal1: yes, it does (as i always boot to console, no display-manager). Usually it needs a bit of time though, before it happened (less than a minute) |
| 22:59.34 | t3st3r | to manually connect something using nm connections you can try nmcli |
| 22:59.56 | t3st3r | nmcli only needs nm running, it does not needs X or something at all |
| 23:00.08 | n4dir | awal1: no, no. I don't think there is a difference between nm and wicd (regarding that question) |
| 23:00.08 | awal1 | t3st3r, we are here for learn ! |
| 23:00.20 | awal1 | the question is how |
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| 23:01.35 | n4dir | awal1: how the connection happens? |
| 23:02.34 | t3st3r | awal1> most straightforward would be nmcli connection up <connection_name_or_GUID> |
| 23:03.03 | t3st3r | where name or GUID is same thing you see in GUI interface |
| 23:03.22 | n4dir | t3st3r: but i would assume you could reach the same with nm? |
| 23:03.24 | t3st3r | I bet you can also set it up to autoconnect instead. |
| 23:03.26 | awal1 | I am not familiar with wifi dongles first time I try one, so I just configured the connection for my dongle via nm-applet , but it doesn't connect until I reload networking manually in X via nm-applet, n4dir |
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| 23:04.00 | n4dir | ah, yeah, pretty confusing those devices. well: for me |
| 23:04.26 | t3st3r | hmm... you have to reload NM to ensure it sees dongle? |
| 23:04.31 | n4dir | t3st3r: yes, in wicd making it autoconnect did the trick |
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| 23:08.01 | t3st3r | awal1> btw check if rfkill is enabled after boot or so |
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| 23:23.48 | rekt | Guys, what I'm saying isn't irrelevant |
| 23:24.01 | rekt | OLED is now the de-facto future standard |
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| 23:28.53 | picknick | just joined, what did I miss? OLED is bad for monitor use because of burn-in, this is an inherent flaw of the technology because on an emissive display every light source degrades at different rates depending on usage(same would apply to FALD LCD displays) |
| 23:28.55 | awal1 | n4dir, t3st3r, I am having wifi troubles now; I get disconnected continuously. Thanks for you attention. I'll be back with my questions later :P |
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| 23:29.52 | n4dir | good luck. |
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| 23:32.23 | t3st3r | nope no oleds for my monitors, burns out too fast and skews colors. Am I supposed to replace monitor every year or two? |
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| 23:40.13 | frostschutz | the oled display of my stone age samsung galaxy 1 first generation smartphone is still fine ;) |
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| 23:43.08 | t3st3r | I guess it heavily depends on how much you use it. If it lies in your pocket, it is fine. |
| 23:43.28 | t3st3r | but if you have it active like 8h-10h a day? |
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| 23:45.42 | JDoe___ | Hi, I have a quick question about mounting options. Is this the right place? |
| 23:46.11 | frostschutz | JDoe___, one way to find out - ask |
| 23:46.14 | ksk | JDoe___: if you use debian to mount things, probably! |
| 23:46.39 | awal1 | if I put 5ghz wifi network to channel 36, channel width 20 ghz and 802.11a the 802.11 mode will that affect the speed of my 2ghz wifi network (channel 6, mode n chan. width 40)? |
| 23:47.15 | awal1 | I mean 5ghz config will slow 2ghz bandwidth too? |
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| 23:47.38 | awal1 | my goal is reduce 5ghz bandwidth and give priority to the 2ghz one |
| 23:47.44 | JDoe___ | Does the following options make any sense to mount external hd (ntfs)? ntfs-3g noatime,nodiratime,nodev,nosuid,noauto,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8 |
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| 23:48.18 | ksk | JDoe___: is there a reason at all to not just use "mount" for that, without any options? |
| 23:49.02 | awal1 | https://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/QCA_wireless_settings may give pistes |
| 23:49.29 | JDoe___ | Yeah, at some point I had problems with permissions to write files, device not mounting, etc |
| 23:49.46 | JDoe___ | So I started to mount manually using terminal and later modifying the fstab |
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| 23:50.13 | JDoe___ | Someone suggested for me "ntfs defaults" |
| 23:50.38 | teatime | JDoe___: you can probably prefer the defaults for atime options, I assume relatime works for ntfs same as ext |
| 23:50.41 | frostschutz | JDoe___, noatime implies nodiratime, but doesn't hurt either, so ... it's a personal choice, which options to use. usually the uid gid stuff happens automagically for user mounts. ymmv |
| 23:51.01 | teatime | you probably want to preface the options you set w/ defaults, don't think that happens automatically |
| 23:51.11 | teatime | and you probably want to look into the 'user' mount option |
| 23:51.35 | awal1 | my conclusion is that if I put 5ghz to channel 36, mode n, channel width 20 will reduce 5ghz bandwidth to minimum possible ad 2.4 ghz set to channel 6 or 11, mode n , channel mode 40 will geta better bandwidth. is that correct? |
| 23:51.37 | teatime | see man mount and man mount.ntfs-3g |
| 23:51.46 | JDoe___ | Ah, I see... Maybe I was overreacting |
| 23:52.05 | JDoe___ | Yeah, I read man mount to choose the options |
| 23:52.05 | awal1 | my conclusion is that if I put 5ghz to channel 36, mode a, channel width 20 will reduce 5ghz bandwidth to minimum possible ad 2.4 ghz set to channel 6 or 11, mode n , channel mode 40 will geta better bandwidth. is that correct? |
| 23:52.11 | awal1 | a for 5ghz, not n |
| 23:52.32 | frostschutz | JDoe___, "defaults" is just a placeholder since you can't leave the field empty. defaults is also implied, so "defaults,anything" doesn't really make sense either (other than declarative) |
| 23:53.45 | teatime | my mistake |
| 23:55.08 | frostschutz | teatime, that's how I understand it anyway - it might be wrong, the manpage actually has an example for defaults, |
| 23:56.09 | JDoe___ | frostschutz: What about dmask and fmask? I remeber that sometimes ll showed all files and dir with root as owner and group |
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| 23:56.57 | frostschutz | JDoe___, if you use 'user' option and mount it as user, it should set it to that user. if you set fixed value, it will be locked to one specific user instead. it depends on what you want (and if you even have more than one user) |
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| 23:58.34 | JDoe___ | frostschutz: Oh, ok. I just want to mount it in a safe way to not mess with owner, group and permissions. |
| 23:58.54 | JDoe___ | frostschutz: By accident. I'll try your suggestion |
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