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| 00:13.50 | netw1z | how can I install the latest ffmpeg into debian wheezy? |
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| 00:15.31 | annadane | i'm not sure you really can, isn't ffmpeg supposed to be massive |
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| 00:16.51 | netw1z | yes |
| 00:19.47 | fareast | Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J1900 @ 1.99GHz vs core 2 duo which is better? |
| 00:21.02 | fareast | I want to switch ldxe to kde i think |
| 00:21.19 | fareast | should I do that or just download the kde version and install it |
| 00:21.36 | annadane | well if you have the space you can have anything you want installed |
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| 00:24.09 | strawbelly | msg dpkg guidlines |
| 00:24.13 | strawbelly | msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 00:25.00 | strawbelly | I am new here. Sorry for the ignorant question. What is flood? |
| 00:25.15 | strawbelly | #flood |
| 00:25.28 | annadane | i think it's a channel bots automatically get sent to |
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| 00:25.53 | strawbelly | I am trying to read the guidlines |
| 00:25.57 | strawbelly | guidelines |
| 00:26.45 | annadane | which guidelines... you mean channel rules? |
| 00:26.50 | annadane | you can type /topic |
| 00:27.33 | annadane | if you mean "no flood", it just means you shouldn't long terminal output to the chat and instead use paste.debian.net |
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| 00:28.33 | strawbelly | not 100% certain but im guessing type that url in and paste there instead. it said to paste "msg dpkg guidelines" in flood |
| 00:29.07 | annadane | !guidelines |
| 00:29.07 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask, just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading documentation (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill, practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people), see <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste into a <pastebin>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. 9) see <code of conduct> |
| 00:29.18 | strawbelly | This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 00:29.46 | annadane | to message someone you need a forward slash; /msg dpkg blah |
| 00:29.55 | strawbelly | i see thanks |
| 00:30.28 | annadane | sorry for not understanding your question before |
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| 00:31.16 | strawbelly | oh its ok, your answer to it was impressively connected |
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| 00:48.49 | orion_ | hey |
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| 01:08.10 | annadane | orion_, you posted in both channels; if you have a question just ask it |
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| 02:25.20 | fareast | anyone know how to compile and install realtek alsa hd |
| 02:25.39 | fareast | linux driver 3.0 |
| 02:25.54 | fareast | I have extracted all the directories and am in terminal in the alsa directory |
| 02:26.03 | fareast | I am having issues getting it ./configured |
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| 02:26.36 | fareast | the command is ./configure then make then make install |
| 02:26.44 | fareast | but I don't know why it isn't working |
| 02:26.46 | fareast | i am su |
| 02:27.13 | fareast | so yeah i have to compile the driver install I suppose |
| 02:27.22 | fareast | any help would be appreciated. |
| 02:27.57 | annadane | i wouldn't compile as root |
| 02:28.04 | fareast | ok i am in regular now |
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| 02:28.08 | fareast | what are the commands |
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| 02:28.14 | fareast | did I have them right? |
| 02:28.29 | annadane | i'm not sure how to compile drivers |
| 02:28.33 | annadane | nor am i sure if you need to |
| 02:28.48 | fareast | you can run a script to install right? |
| 02:29.09 | fareast | I have install-sh |
| 02:29.25 | H-P | why compile |
| 02:29.51 | fareast | cause on debian.org it says compile as usual...?? |
| 02:29.56 | fareast | I just thought I had to |
| 02:30.01 | fareast | you know another way? |
| 02:30.17 | H-P | by default you don't have sound ? |
| 02:30.34 | fareast | i don't think so |
| 02:30.40 | fareast | let me switch out the kvm hookup and see |
| 02:30.43 | annadane | !alsa checklist |
| 02:30.43 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 02:30.50 | annadane | failing that, try installing pavucontrol |
| 02:31.06 | H-P | by default its pulseaudio now |
| 02:31.18 | annadane | (i'd probably install pavucontrol beyond anything else anyway) |
| 02:31.19 | fareast | I am trying to rock and roll yo |
| 02:31.20 | H-P | are you connected with hdmi |
| 02:31.24 | fareast | no |
| 02:31.26 | fareast | analog |
| 02:31.34 | H-P | ok |
| 02:31.46 | fareast | i have a kvm with analogs |
| 02:31.49 | fareast | and usb |
| 02:32.10 | H-P | and your DE |
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| 02:33.28 | H-P | xfce gnome ? |
| 02:33.32 | fareast | i have pavucontrol |
| 02:33.36 | fareast | yeah |
| 02:33.40 | fareast | lxde |
| 02:33.41 | H-P | ok |
| 02:33.53 | fareast | latest release |
| 02:34.01 | fareast | I have pavucontrol |
| 02:34.04 | fareast | still nothing |
| 02:34.09 | fareast | i switched it to it in the mixer |
| 02:34.21 | annadane | _latest_ release? |
| 02:34.24 | fareast | yeah |
| 02:34.27 | annadane | are you on debian stable? |
| 02:34.30 | fareast | i can see the audio stream bouncing |
| 02:34.30 | fareast | yes |
| 02:34.36 | rabbitear_sdf | fareast: fix your sound |
| 02:34.42 | H-P | try to edit output device |
| 02:35.11 | fareast | go it |
| 02:35.14 | fareast | got it |
| 02:35.22 | fareast | had to change the configuration in the mixer profile |
| 02:35.26 | fareast | analog stereo |
| 02:35.33 | H-P | you got sound ? |
| 02:35.34 | fareast | it wasn't enabled in there. |
| 02:35.35 | fareast | yeah |
| 02:35.37 | H-P | good |
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| 02:35.41 | fareast | its in the profile |
| 02:35.54 | fareast | I am not too good with linux |
| 02:36.00 | fareast | but good with computers so I guess I am good |
| 02:36.09 | H-P | take time |
| 02:36.15 | H-P | you got a good OS |
| 02:36.16 | H-P | :P |
| 02:36.19 | fareast | well I like being helped |
| 02:36.26 | fareast | I am usually the one with all the answers. |
| 02:36.45 | fareast | I miss the challenge that is why I started with linux again. |
| 02:36.48 | rabbitear_sdf | fareast: fix it. |
| 02:36.49 | fareast | been since mandrake |
| 02:37.03 | fareast | ok just tell me next time ok. |
| 02:37.07 | fareast | thanks tho |
| 02:37.16 | H-P | fareast: if you tried mandrake, you must be leet now |
| 02:37.23 | fareast | mandriva |
| 02:37.33 | H-P | hehe |
| 02:37.34 | fareast | i bought it I think it fell off a truck somewhere back in 95 |
| 02:37.34 | rabbitear_sdf | I will agree with H-P |
| 02:37.45 | fareast | I didn't have internet speed to download it back then |
| 02:37.53 | rabbitear_sdf | stories are good |
| 02:37.57 | annadane | again, in future, stop compiling as root |
| 02:37.58 | fareast | damn right |
| 02:38.00 | annadane | !don't break debian |
| 02:38.01 | dpkg | [dont break debian] https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 02:38.12 | fareast | oh believe me I stopped logging in as root |
| 02:38.13 | rabbitear_sdf | annadane: ya |
| 02:38.19 | H-P | annadane is right, dont compile random stuff |
| 02:38.33 | H-P | debian have all package you should need |
| 02:38.36 | rabbitear_sdf | fareast: not as root |
| 02:38.38 | fareast | good deal |
| 02:38.52 | fareast | I break windows all the time and fix it for a living. |
| 02:39.02 | rabbitear_sdf | this is why the internet is bad |
| 02:39.07 | rabbitear_sdf | it has old information |
| 02:39.11 | fareast | I know |
| 02:39.20 | fareast | that is why i came to you first |
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| 02:39.25 | fareast | so I could get the 0 day scoop |
| 02:39.32 | rabbitear_sdf | I feel special now |
| 02:39.47 | fareast | yeah you are. |
| 02:39.57 | fareast | I was with a person who signed off on deployment of arpanet today |
| 02:40.02 | fareast | tell me that isn't rockstar. |
| 02:40.07 | rabbitear_sdf | probably didn't need to compile anything ........ maybe |
| 02:40.09 | H-P | fareast: now give more love to your debian and don't jump in first google tuto |
| 02:40.27 | fareast | I have heard good things in this distro so I am sticking to it |
| 02:40.34 | fareast | I think I should do kde tho |
| 02:40.39 | fareast | I am on ddr3 quad celeron |
| 02:40.44 | rabbitear_sdf | duckduckgo.com |
| 02:40.47 | annadane | !root |
| 02:40.48 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 02:41.06 | annadane | treat it as a nuclear bomb and stay away from it unless absolutely necessary |
| 02:41.22 | fareast | rabbitear_sdf, I love aflac! |
| 02:41.23 | rabbitear_sdf | three steps at a time |
| 02:41.35 | rabbitear_sdf | fareast: ben aflac? |
| 02:41.49 | rabbitear_sdf | fareast: I went to highschool with him one year |
| 02:41.51 | fareast | no the duck |
| 02:41.55 | fareast | quack quack |
| 02:41.56 | rabbitear_sdf | oh |
| 02:42.10 | fareast | lol ok I will format and reinstall |
| 02:42.10 | rabbitear_sdf | fareast: I'm not gonna say anything |
| 02:42.15 | fareast | is there a kde version |
| 02:42.18 | fareast | i am just messing with you |
| 02:42.25 | H-P | fareast: debian have all DE |
| 02:42.27 | fareast | I am literally insane don't worry |
| 02:42.42 | rabbitear_sdf | fareast: we know that |
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| 02:42.44 | fareast | good I will format this machine and go the other de |
| 02:42.51 | rabbitear_sdf | fareast: like really know |
| 02:42.58 | fareast | thanks |
| 02:43.02 | rabbitear_sdf | n.p. |
| 02:43.20 | fareast | talk to you guys later. |
| 02:43.27 | fareast | have a wonderful day |
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| 02:43.39 | rabbitear_sdf | you too, happy holiday |
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| 02:46.20 | steinwayer | hi everyone |
| 02:46.22 | steinwayer | how are you?? |
| 02:46.34 | dvs | blah! |
| 02:46.43 | annadane | blah! |
| 02:46.46 | steinwayer | :D |
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| 02:47.09 | steinwayer | got a question, for you guys using Gnome 3 as main DE |
| 02:47.36 | steinwayer | i've installed Debian on a 2012 macbook pro , everything runs very nice i've tweaked a few things in the last days to improve battery life, cpu temperature etc |
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| 02:47.49 | steinwayer | but the only thing that i need to solve now, is Gnome 3 feeling a little bit sluggysh |
| 02:47.58 | steinwayer | animations are "laggy" |
| 02:48.20 | annadane | it's not a bug, it's a feature... |
| 02:48.26 | annadane | (kidding but kind of not really) |
| 02:48.41 | steinwayer | don't get me wrong, the system itself is very fast and responsive, but the animations, especially applications overview (which is the one i use the most) sometimes just stutters |
| 02:48.51 | steinwayer | ahahah i know annadane, Gnome is famous for that ahaha |
| 02:49.18 | steinwayer | what is strange is that KDE runs just perfectly smooth (but i don't personally like KDE) that's why i would LOVE to have smooth animations on Gnom |
| 02:49.19 | steinwayer | Gnome |
| 02:49.23 | steinwayer | any suggestions?? |
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| 02:49.57 | H-P | lol |
| 02:50.18 | Bevan | remove apple and reload |
| 02:50.26 | H-P | steinwayer: on a laptop I recommend xfce lxde |
| 02:50.26 | steinwayer | XD |
| 02:50.44 | rabbitear_sdf | I use fvwm |
| 02:50.46 | H-P | gnome3 is a big industry |
| 02:50.55 | steinwayer | i know it is |
| 02:50.57 | rabbitear_sdf | have no idea what you poeple talk about |
| 02:51.04 | rabbitear_sdf | steinwayer: working |
| 02:51.22 | steinwayer | :D |
| 02:51.26 | H-P | don't use flashy DE on laptop |
| 02:51.42 | steinwayer | well i mean, this laptop should be plenty powerful to run Gnome |
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| 02:51.48 | H-P | maybe |
| 02:51.52 | rabbitear_sdf | I like xmodmap too |
| 02:51.54 | user___ | mtinman |
| 02:51.59 | steinwayer | KDE is resource intensive as well, and runs perfectly smooth on the same exact hardware |
| 02:51.59 | steinwayer | and same distro |
| 02:52.00 | H-P | but battery life and etc |
| 02:52.06 | annadane | remember that old meme of "but can it run crysis"? substitute crysis with gnome |
| 02:52.07 | rabbitear_sdf | which is like i3 in hascell |
| 02:52.13 | steinwayer | hahahaha |
| 02:52.18 | rabbitear_sdf | whatever that language is |
| 02:52.29 | annadane | haskell? |
| 02:52.33 | rabbitear_sdf | ya |
| 02:52.35 | Bevan | it's all personal |
| 02:52.38 | steinwayer | so you think there is no resolution to this? |
| 02:52.44 | annadane | hascell absorbed android 18 yet |
| 02:52.54 | steinwayer | the crazy part is that animations are not sluggy all the time |
| 02:53.02 | steinwayer | but i would say 1 out of 3 , they stutter |
| 02:53.16 | H-P | steinwayer: if you wanna stick with it search for optimization tuto |
| 02:53.18 | steinwayer | stupid gnome shell is a slow dog :D |
| 02:53.29 | H-P | or use a light DE |
| 02:53.36 | steinwayer | yeah... i was thinking about graphic drivers |
| 02:53.44 | Bevan | fluxbox, cinnamon |
| 02:53.45 | steinwayer | but debian should have preloaded the intel drivers right?? |
| 02:54.04 | Bevan | steinwayer, depends how you installed lol |
| 02:54.22 | steinwayer | lol, pretty straightforward installation |
| 02:54.34 | steinwayer | ops, one second i ll be back in 5 |
| 02:54.58 | annadane | 5 seconds???? minutes??????? hours???????????????? |
| 02:55.18 | H-P | annadane: dunno, we will need popcorn maybe |
| 02:56.02 | rabbitear_sdf | months |
| 02:56.37 | rabbitear_sdf | he's gonna big a new distribution |
| 02:57.09 | rabbitear_sdf | the steinwayer distribution :! |
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| 03:02.18 | Bevan | I always install straight and forward |
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| 03:05.30 | annadane | it's been longer than 5 minutes, the next checkpoint is 5 hours |
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| 03:09.42 | Bevan | 5 page scrolls? |
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| 03:10.42 | steinwayer | here i am back |
| 03:10.44 | steinwayer | sorry :D |
| 03:10.47 | Bevan | your early |
| 03:10.53 | steinwayer | :D ahaha |
| 03:11.21 | H-P | steinwayer: what did you do |
| 03:12.04 | steinwayer | brought something to a friend |
| 03:12.17 | steinwayer | so, as i was saying hp |
| 03:12.36 | steinwayer | i was thinking something about the graphics drivers |
| 03:12.57 | steinwayer | but Debian should have intel drivers already by default (if you are running an Intel GPU of course) |
| 03:13.10 | Bevan | I was thinking about horrorshow and P.O.D. but that is off topic |
| 03:13.32 | Bevan | I think it does |
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| 03:14.25 | Bevan | I run intel cpu/vid |
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| 03:18.38 | wr | think messed bit debian, how can i reinstall all packages? |
| 03:19.20 | wr | and check system |
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| 03:19.44 | H-P | wr: past your errors before |
| 03:20.08 | H-P | on something like https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 03:20.55 | wr | H-P, what error specific? |
| 03:21.01 | annadane | also, how did you mess it up? |
| 03:21.21 | H-P | wr: show us the things that make you think its broken |
| 03:21.50 | H-P | apt-get errors ... and more |
| 03:21.52 | wr | annadane, aptitude -f install it removed a buch of packages, then had to reinstal one by one, but not sure if dependencies are all ok |
| 03:22.28 | annadane | what does the entry in your /var/log/apt/history.log say? |
| 03:23.10 | H-P | maybe you should use apt-get when not sure, aptitude can do things you don't understand |
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| 03:23.43 | wr | annadane, what line number? |
| 03:24.15 | annadane | it will be near the end of the log, "less /var/log/apt/history.log" and go to the bottom |
| 03:24.29 | annadane | i think you can grep it too and it will show what happened but i'm not certain |
| 03:24.56 | annadane | -f shouldn't matter for aptitude/apt-get |
| 03:25.01 | wr | H-P, usually use apt, was just a mistake because of a terminal output and then issued aptitude cause terminal msg it |
| 03:25.35 | annadane | oh, aptitude? i wonder if that's even in the apt log |
| 03:26.12 | annadane | i wonder if it files under /var/log/aptitude instead |
| 03:26.15 | annadane | i'm just going to shut up |
| 03:26.24 | H-P | wr: we need to know what did you do, and the errors |
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| 03:27.13 | wr | annadane, have the last apt autoremove issued and few packages out unneeded |
| 03:29.18 | wr | H-P, did a aptitude -f basically removed this https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cbeb4a0a/ |
| 03:29.53 | H-P | dpkg: initramfs-tools: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested: |
| 03:29.53 | H-P | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.54 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, H-P |
| 03:29.57 | wr | because dependencies |
| 03:30.10 | H-P | you removed too much |
| 03:30.34 | H-P | probably a hard dependency |
| 03:30.51 | wr | H-P, i then installed packages one by one again, but i'm not sure if this is ok |
| 03:30.56 | H-P | no |
| 03:31.10 | H-P | you fuc* everything if I guess correctly |
| 03:31.50 | H-P | don't use aptitude recommendation if you don't understand |
| 03:32.06 | steinwayer | any idea on how i can install wayland to try running gnome with that instead of x11? |
| 03:32.31 | wr | H-P, system is running, just didnt reboot |
| 03:34.12 | H-P | wr: but I think you removed everything that is useful |
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| 03:35.03 | H-P | wr: you probably removed a hard dependency and removed X |
| 03:35.25 | H-P | wr: unless someone tell me im wrong |
| 03:35.33 | wr | H-P, this is aptitude one https://paste.debian.net/hidden/824569a3/ |
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| 03:36.29 | H-P | wr: I don't know what to tell you. it's like you wiped everything |
| 03:36.43 | wr | H-P, i made apt-get install on all removed |
| 03:37.52 | H-P | wr: don't reboot or shutdown, maybe someone can help you |
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| 03:54.27 | H-P | someone can help wr ? |
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| 03:55.49 | annadane | wr, well first off the pastebins are now gone |
| 03:55.57 | annadane | try creating another one with a longer expiration |
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| 03:58.04 | annadane | i'm assuming you don't have backups so that you can just wipe and reinstall, which would probably be easiest |
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| 04:07.57 | H-P | wr: backup the files you need before any reboot/shutdown |
| 04:08.38 | wr | H-P, ok thanks |
| 04:09.30 | H-P | if possible |
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| 04:41.49 | H-P | wr: keep us updated |
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| 05:47.05 | agio | hi all. reading here: https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html#Debian it seems Richard Stallman is not willing to endorse debian because it essentially makes it "too easy" for users to install non-free software and for other symbolic gestures like hosting non-free code on debian servers. My question is: If someone installed a current-ish release of debian, say stretch, and they _didn't_ include any |
| 05:47.06 | agio | of the non-free, contrib packages, non-free firmwares etc. would that system be completely running on free, open source code that FSF would (more or less) approve of? from the kernel to the chipsets, BIOS and everything in-between? |
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| 05:48.55 | H-P | yes |
| 05:49.41 | H-P | if unsure install the package vrms and it will tell you how much garbage you installed according to him |
| 05:50.27 | jelly | vrms package does not really try to follow RMS' rules, it's written to follow DFSG |
| 05:50.36 | H-P | oh |
| 05:50.47 | H-P | didnt know |
| 05:51.06 | jelly | else it would find things like gcc-doc free |
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| 05:52.33 | agio | yeah according to the vrms package description: |
| 05:52.35 | rabbitear_sdf | vrms? |
| 05:52.37 | agio | In some cases, the opinions of Richard M. Stallman and the Debian project have diverged since this program was originally written. In such cases, this program follows â |
| 05:52.38 | agio | the Debian Free Software Guidelines. |
| 05:52.43 | rabbitear_sdf | the virtual rms? |
| 05:52.59 | H-P | thx agio |
| 05:53.17 | H-P | I'm wrong |
| 05:53.20 | jelly | but yes, a default debian installation is pretty much free software by RMS or FSF definitions as well |
| 05:53.22 | rabbitear_sdf | those are like x-girlfriends |
| 05:53.27 | rabbitear_sdf | hey jelly |
| 05:53.41 | rabbitear_sdf | brb |
| 05:54.57 | n4dir | jelly: wondering which packages of a main debian installation would not be considered free by FSF/RMS. In the past there was something with the kernel (blobs?), but that issue is solved, as far i can tell. |
| 05:56.10 | jelly | don't think there should be any |
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| 05:56.33 | agio | n4dir: according to the FSF webpage I linked to above - those non-free blobs were pushed out to a non-official repo or server |
| 05:57.31 | n4dir | i guess so too, but you always get surprised (how stubborn both can be ... :-) ). - Anyway: i think if you want a free OS Debian is still one of the best bets (besides the ones listet by gnu.org, most of which are rather weird). |
| 05:57.51 | n4dir | agio: ah, good. I wasn't that sure. |
| 05:59.41 | agio | yeah, I think the reproducible build also make debian really compelling if you want confirmation that the actual binaries you are running come from the codebase you think they are coming from too |
| 05:59.50 | H-P | jelly: vrms should follow rms which, no |
| 06:00.48 | H-P | not dfsg |
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| 06:01.29 | jelly | #537941 |
| 06:01.29 | netw1z | how can i get the latest ffmpeg installed on debian wheezy? |
| 06:01.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/537941 in vrms (open, wontfix): «GNU docs are nonfree, but vrms should think otherwise»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2009-07-21; last modified: 2018-02-10. |
| 06:01.57 | H-P | ok |
| 06:02.16 | jelly | H-P, feel free to provide patches |
| 06:03.10 | jelly | netw1z, probably by building it from source, wheezy is very old |
| 06:03.49 | netw1z | so i should grab the latest from github and see if I can get it to compile? |
| 06:04.06 | jelly | if latest is what you require, yes |
| 06:04.44 | netw1z | copy that .. also how can I make sure i clean my system of an existing ffmpeg> |
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| 06:05.46 | jelly | you probably don't have ffmpeg but libav in wheezy. |
| 06:05.52 | netw1z | true |
| 06:06.20 | netw1z | thats what i do have, but something i want to code needs the newest ffmpeg |
| 06:06.21 | n4dir | dpkg -l ffmpeg ; is what i would do, but there are always solutions more elegant. |
| 06:06.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching ffmpeg ; is what i would do, but there are always solutions more elegant. |
| 06:06.55 | n4dir | netw1z: if it is for coding running a stretch chroot isn't an option? |
| 06:07.03 | jelly | netw1z, I'd suggest building on a different platform and only making sure the resulting binaries work on wheezy |
| 06:07.04 | netw1z | it is |
| 06:07.38 | jelly | unless the point of this exercise is to see if something can be built on wheezy |
| 06:07.58 | netw1z | i have this linode server |
| 06:08.06 | netw1z | where i want the project to live |
| 06:08.42 | jelly | maybe release upgrade your installation to jessie, then stretch? |
| 06:09.00 | netw1z | that sounds like a plan, ill look into it |
| 06:09.12 | jelly | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 06:09.12 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 06:09.13 | luna_ | New Raspbian (Debian for Raspberry Pi Updates) later tonight |
| 06:09.27 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 06:09.28 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 06:10.07 | jelly | luna_, #raspbian and #raspberrypi are over there -> |
| 06:10.51 | luna_ | jelly: sorry |
| 06:11.02 | netw1z | I think that sounds like a good path for me @jelly |
| 06:11.17 | netw1z | i'll see if I can rock that first |
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| 06:32.56 | Haohmaru | how does package update work? i mean.. when there are newer versions of a pile of packages, and i "mark all upgrades" and then "apply" - what happens with programs which are currently running? |
| 06:33.37 | Haohmaru | (i use synaptic) |
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| 06:44.33 | Rarity_ | Does anyone know a good media player that is minimal and would go well with the i3 window manager? |
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| 06:53.28 | libri | XMMS |
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| 06:55.54 | H-P | MPV |
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| 07:00.16 | Rarity_ | I'll try both of them |
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| 07:08.14 | Rarity_ | Well, MPV works good. Thanks |
| 07:08.19 | jelly | Haohmaru, user processes keep running with old files and you need to take care of them yourself. Services get restarted if possible. There are tools like "needrestart" that help with detection of processes still using old files, but they're not 100% reliable. |
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| 07:10.09 | Haohmaru | i mean, if i close one of the programs and reopen it - will the new version start? |
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| 07:13.34 | alkisg | Haohmaru: if it's properly closed and reopen it, yes. There are special cases like "the gui is only a front end to some backend, and the backend wasn't restarted" etc etc |
| 07:14.14 | Haohmaru | okay, so nothing bad will happen if i don't reboot |
| 07:15.35 | alkisg | Haohmaru: it depends; some programs dynamically load new libraries or data, so if the old version is still loaded, it won't find the old libraries anymore, and things will fail |
| 07:15.47 | alkisg | That's why for example the kernel itself prompts for a reboot after its update |
| 07:15.56 | alkisg | For trivial programs that's not an issue |
| 07:16.01 | Haohmaru | it prompts? |
| 07:16.06 | Haohmaru | i've never seen that |
| 07:16.11 | alkisg | "a system reboot is required" etc etc |
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| 07:16.27 | alkisg | I think even motd shows that if you login while a reboot is required |
| 07:16.31 | Haohmaru | ah, like, it prints that somewhere amongst the 38929823 other things ;P~ |
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| 07:28.00 | iekweek | mpv ? :) |
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| 07:39.28 | Rarity_ | iekweek, MPV is a media player |
| 07:39.36 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 07:39.57 | iekweek | a good media player |
| 07:40.00 | ShapeShifter499 | I want to make sure that bridge connection is set up at boot, how should I do that in debian? |
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| 07:41.00 | Rarity_ | Yeah I like it works very well with i3 and pretty easy to use |
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| 07:55.23 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I figured out the issue |
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| 07:55.48 | ShapeShifter499 | I needed to add "auto br0" to my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 07:55.55 | ShapeShifter499 | bridge is now working at boot |
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| 08:22.19 | nnull | Hi guys i have a sound issue / ive googled far too many hours / on installation ctefx.bin was required firmware for my soundcard, i somehow got sound working via installing alsaOSS, but then decided id try install the firmware ctefx.bin for my card / to which i lost sound and lost many options in sound preferences / i then reinstalled to try and reapply alsaOSS as even after uninstalling ctefx.bin on my last install kept the sound broken and sound |
| 08:22.20 | nnull | preference options non appearing |
| 08:22.45 | nnull | haaalp |
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| 08:42.23 | dka | I have my google chrome refusing to save cookie for a particular domain |
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| 08:58.01 | hypn0 | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ctefx.bin that nnull |
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| 09:00.47 | hypn0 | I think in april uk began blocking most of the internet |
| 09:01.08 | Haohmaru | hm? why? |
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| 09:01.29 | hypn0 | why? its nothing new |
| 09:02.09 | hypn0 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom |
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| 09:22.38 | kompowiec2[m] | ee not enough VPN? |
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| 09:40.45 | superbrainsphex | good day ! having problem with lm-sensors not showing any sensor data out of gpu |
| 09:42.08 | superbrainsphex | running bretty experimental hardware and would like to use kde live for video rendering need to monitor temps ! last maschine broke down on temp issues |
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| 09:44.05 | superbrainsphex | did run sensors-detect as root good amount off interfaces where detected but no sensor data could be read sorry for bad english |
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| 09:49.30 | superbrainsphex | if found some help post in the ubuntu community https://askubuntu.com/questions/912413/is-there-a-temperature-sensing-utility-for-linux-that-will-read-a-ryzen-1700-cpu |
| 09:50.04 | superbrainsphex | can some maybe look into it please not sure if it works for debian |
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| 09:53.20 | blaztek | superbrainsphex: ignore the comment about Ubuntu only. The first answer will work with any distro and the second answer will work with Debian as well. |
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| 09:59.16 | superbrainsphex | they blaztek to i have to deinstall lm sensors in order for this guid |
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| 09:59.55 | superbrainsphex | it says something about a git hup clone |
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| 10:01.31 | superbrainsphex | blaztek maybe good time guiding me a bit ! would be nice bretty new to linux but really like the power behind it |
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| 10:03.30 | dka | Hi |
| 10:03.42 | dka | I am using debian 9 and I have installed google chrome from google repository |
| 10:03.48 | blaztek | Yes indeed |
| 10:03.50 | dka | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49609195/cookie-not-being-set-by-my-google-chrome-browser |
| 10:04.12 | dka | I have issue with Google Chrome Version 65.0.3325.181 (Official Build) (64-bit) on a particular host, my host |
| 10:04.21 | dka | and I cant work anymore except on Firefox because of that |
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| 10:04.40 | dka | I have tested on my mate laptop, and on the server itself, chrome is not supposed to refuse the cookie being set by the browser |
| 10:04.48 | dka | I have tried to reboot and to disable all my chrome extensions |
| 10:05.09 | dka | and I still can't find a way to get my cookie being set |
| 10:05.25 | dka | I am thinking to format my laptop, but I d be happy to avoid do that |
| 10:05.31 | dka | Any way I can get my chrome working ? |
| 10:05.59 | H-P | dka: can you test with chromium for fun |
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| 10:06.42 | blaztek | I donât know the answer but I highly doubt that formatting your laptop will fix the issue |
| 10:06.42 | dka | sure |
| 10:07.29 | p0g0 | don't format that thing. |
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| 10:07.58 | blaztek | Try it on a VirtualBox, fresh install, and see if it works |
| 10:08.27 | blaztek | But it may just be Chrome specific |
| 10:09.51 | p0g0 | The cookie refusal could be a lot of things- have you tried adding a noscript/ublock sort of thing that will toggle cookie acceptance explicitly? Your about:config like tool (however it is implemented in a given browser) might also solve the issue. |
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| 10:11.12 | dka | blaztek, I have tried on a similar host , at the same time I updated both chrome |
| 10:11.16 | dka | I am the only one impacted |
| 10:11.21 | dka | I have tried to clear cache/ cookie etc.. |
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| 10:12.11 | dka | I do not use virtualbox but vmware |
| 10:12.23 | dka | I am pretty sure if I format blaztek it will fix the issue |
| 10:12.27 | agio | dka: is the server setting the HTTP only flag on the cookie? and you are connecting over ordinary HTTP? |
| 10:12.33 | dka | There is no reason that only my host cant get that cookie |
| 10:12.53 | dka | agio no the XSRF-TOKEN is not httpOnly |
| 10:13.12 | dka | we send another cookie along XSRF-TOKEN, for the session, called JSESSIONID, this one is httpOnly and being properly set |
| 10:13.24 | dka | Connection is made with ordinary http, no proxying at all |
| 10:13.56 | blaztek | dka: what p0g0 said and try with a fresh new Chrome user |
| 10:14.29 | dka | what is a Chrome user ? do you mean my google account > |
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| 10:15.33 | blaztek | You know how you can switch and add users? |
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| 10:15.54 | blaztek | Just add a new one with no Google login |
| 10:16.16 | p0g0 | blaztek: adding users at the station, like with useradd or such? |
| 10:16.23 | blaztek | No |
| 10:16.31 | blaztek | In the web browser |
| 10:16.34 | p0g0 | OK |
| 10:16.43 | dka | lol p0g0 |
| 10:16.48 | dka | blaztek, thanks |
| 10:16.52 | dka | With a new user it work |
| 10:16.56 | dka | I can get my damn cookie |
| 10:16.59 | p0g0 | I'd be inclined to try my notion |
| 10:17.09 | dka | I am able to work if I quit my user thanks to you |
| 10:17.12 | blaztek | Yes p0g0 |
| 10:17.12 | p0g0 | create a user, create a new /home dir |
| 10:17.14 | dka | any idea why my user is fucking with me |
| 10:17.14 | superbrainsphex | blaztek i downloaded the git repo try to use cp /proc/kallsyms /boot/System.map-`uname -r`; its not working |
| 10:17.15 | dka | ? |
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| 10:18.54 | blaztek | dka: I have no idea why but p0g0 |
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| 10:19.21 | blaztek | âS first answer will probably tell you |
| 10:19.26 | cavokz | info vagrantc |
| 10:19.52 | cavokz | sorry, was looking for Vagrant ;) |
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| 10:20.34 | dka | H-P, I have tested with chromium, work fine |
| 10:20.50 | blaztek | superbrainsphex: did you run the two Audi commands? |
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| 10:21.13 | martin-_-_ | hi, I get the command gcc command not found, but I installed it in /opt/gcc-4.6.0/bin/gcc |
| 10:21.16 | dka | blaztek, p0g0's first answer is "The cookie refusal could be a lot of things- have you tried adding a noscript/ublock sort of thing that will toggle cookie acceptance explicitly? Your about:config like tool (however it is implemented in a given browser) might also solve the issue." ? |
| 10:21.19 | martin-_-_ | i mean there is the binary |
| 10:21.31 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.45 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.52 | martin-_-_ | I tried export gcc=/opt/gcc-4.6.0/bin/gcc |
| 10:21.53 | agio | dka: what if you try in incognito mode ? <Ctrl> + <shift> + n ? |
| 10:21.56 | martin-_-_ | but that doesn't work |
| 10:22.31 | dka | Incognito mode work fine |
| 10:22.34 | dka | I can get my cookie |
| 10:22.41 | dka | so Only my damn chrome user can not get my cookie |
| 10:22.44 | dka | Thats a rough day |
| 10:22.47 | dka | at work |
| 10:23.03 | blaztek | martin-_-_: you did add /opt/Gucci-4.6.0/bin to your PATH, yes? |
| 10:23.31 | martin-_-_ | no |
| 10:23.50 | blaztek | martin-_-_: that will fix it |
| 10:24.00 | agio | dka: did you know you can control cookies on a per domain basis in chrome? did you check your preferences/policy for the domain? |
| 10:24.16 | martin-_-_ | export PATH=$PATH:/opt/gcc-4.6.0/bin/ this is correct blaztek ? |
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| 10:24.28 | blaztek | Yes martin-_-_ |
| 10:24.43 | martin-_-_ | blaztek thanks this works |
| 10:25.19 | dka | agio I did, but I have not blocked that domain |
| 10:25.29 | dka | I will just use another user |
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| 10:26.15 | superbrainsphex | you mean the forze id value thing |
| 10:27.06 | superbrainsphex | c |
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| 10:34.42 | blaztek | dka: for the Chrome user, in Settings->Advanced does both a Reset and a âClean up computerâ do anything? |
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| 10:50.10 | dka | blaztek Reset did work |
| 10:50.11 | dka | thanks |
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| 11:07.14 | NetTerminalGene | hi. after the recent updates, stretch uses a lot cpu power when playing video. gnome-shell uses a lot cpu power. i disabled animations, it is same. |
| 11:07.34 | NetTerminalGene | what can i do? |
| 11:08.16 | BCMM | NetTerminalGene: sounds like you might have lost hardware acceleration... any chance you need new graphics card firmware or something like that? |
| 11:08.36 | BCMM | check dmesg for firmware issues, check xorg logs to confirm that you're using the right graphics driver |
| 11:09.01 | NetTerminalGene | BCMM, no. i use intel integrated gpu. it works fine |
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| 11:24.51 | BCMM | well, if it's working fine, don't fix it, i guess |
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| 11:46.16 | antoine | Hello, I wanted to change my email server to that the maximum message size matches that of gmail so I don't miss messages from gmail. Do I only need to change Postfix's value: message_size_limit? |
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| 11:58.27 | korrode | Hi channel. Running Debian Stretch. I want to run pulseaudio with realtime priority with RT kernel. RT kernel is installed from repos and booted to. rtkit is installed. /etc/pulse/daemon.conf has "realtime-scheduling = yes"... but pulseaudio process is not running with RT priority. Any ideas? |
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| 12:03.33 | antoine | Ok, I noticed that initially virtual_mailbox_limit was set to 5Ãmessage_size_limit so I set it to 5Ã my new limit. |
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| 12:11.00 | scmb | hi all, can anybody help me with deb.debian.org. I try to update packages, but http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian return 404. This page work correct with slash, http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/ but in my docker images i can't fix this. |
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| 12:29.51 | snufft | Hi everyone :) I'm having a little trouble sending emails with a new server (Debian 9) that I've just set up. At the moment, as a test, I'm just trying to send test emails using sendmail, but they all seem to get stuck in the mail queue and don't go anywhere. When sending a simple email from the command line, the sendmail dialog opens up and sits for ages before timing out. I have port 25 open in the firewall, both ways and sendmail is |
| 12:30.01 | snufft | Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could check next? |
| 12:30.28 | snufft | the ultimate goal is to get my website to send user signup emails, but for now, if I could get this to send anything to anyone, I'd be happy :D |
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| 13:00.03 | RoyK | snufft: are you using exim or postfix or sendmail or what? |
| 13:00.38 | RoyK | last I checked, exim was the default mta |
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| 14:14.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps what package has dumbcap command |
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| 14:15.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell Eryn_1983_FL about apt-file |
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| 14:16.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... |
| 14:17.10 | BanHammor | it's probably dumpcap, not dumbcap, fyi |
| 14:17.28 | BanHammor | and yes, you should use apt-file to search for files in the repos |
| 14:17.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 14:17.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | well dumpcap is dumbcp |
| 14:17.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | well dumpcap is dumbcap |
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| 14:25.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | grrrrr |
| 14:25.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | i cant even see a .pcap file |
| 14:25.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | tf |
| 14:25.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | etf |
| 14:26.01 | greycat | Ahh, the sweet sound of a printer admin in the morning. |
| 14:26.51 | greycat | Oh, this isn't printcap. Never mind. |
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| 14:32.07 | donofrio | what repo would have xfwm-4.13 like I can get in ubuntu? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental ? |
| 14:32.31 | greycat | ,v xfwm |
| 14:32.32 | judd | No package named 'xfwm' was found in amd64. |
| 14:33.00 | greycat | can you describe the package, or name a file that's in it? |
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| 14:34.42 | donofrio | sure....http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3ZcnPYZ8W2/ |
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| 14:38.55 | nightcrow | well, figured out the missing piece to fixing that issue I was having Friday |
| 14:39.00 | nightcrow | that was annoying |
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| 14:40.43 | nightcrow | apparently, when in /bin/sh, it wouldn't recognize my keyboard |
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| 14:41.06 | nightcrow | DOH! |
| 14:41.20 | greycat | I'm guessing you mean "when on the Linux console", vs. "when in an X terminal emulator". The shell wouldn't matter. |
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| 14:43.22 | nightcrow | greycat, when I had to use init=bin/sh to remount after screwing up fstab |
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| 14:44.04 | nightcrow | after it went to bin/sh, it stopped recognizing my keyboard |
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| 14:45.27 | greycat | "when booting with init=/bin/sh" is different from simply being in /bin/sh in a regular login session |
| 14:46.00 | nightcrow | yep, and as I said, DOH! |
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| 14:46.57 | nightcrow | I wasted hours trying to find a fix, before trying a 3rd keyboard and finding it worked |
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| 14:54.02 | donofrio | greycat, sure....http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3ZcnPYZ8W2/ |
| 14:54.21 | greycat | ,v xfwm4 |
| 14:54.23 | judd | Package: xfwm4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.3-2; jessie: 4.10.1-3; buster: 4.12.4-1; sid: 4.12.4-1; stretch: 4.12.4-1; experimental: 4.13.0-1 |
| 14:56.10 | bolt | ......z |
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| 15:25.01 | mandeep | on debian stretch what is the command to update grub after editing /etc/default/grub? i dont think update-grub is valid anymore |
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| 15:25.14 | greycat | update-grub is correct |
| 15:25.18 | mandeep | hmm |
| 15:25.48 | mandeep | alright let me restart and see if it worked |
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| 15:27.32 | mandeep | greycat: thanks update-grub still works |
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| 15:27.57 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
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| 15:28.45 | ychaouche | I read here : http://rsabalburo.blogspot.com/2015/02/configuring-geoip-support-for-shorewall.html that xtables-addons have had a bug in Ubuntu causing kernel panic, I was wondering if the debian package works well ? |
| 15:28.58 | ychaouche | I would like to install it and use it from shorewall |
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| 15:34.19 | awal1 | mandeep, why you thought it may not work? |
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| 15:34.54 | mandeep | awal1: it's been awhile since i've updated grub, but for some reason i thought update-grub was deprecated |
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| 15:39.56 | greycat | I think there used to be a grub-update command that was phased out in favor of update-grub. |
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| 15:40.43 | nejeeeee | can i downgrade the kernel from the synaptic package manager? are there better way to do it? |
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| 15:41.50 | awal1 | how to dpkg -l and grep essential pkgs? |
| 15:41.52 | greycat | you can install an additional kernel package, which may be older or newer than whatever you're running now. |
| 15:42.04 | greycat | getting GRUB (or your boot loader) to boot the older kernel is a different issue |
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| 15:43.11 | nejeeeee | so i can keep the new kernel and just open a session with the old one? |
| 15:43.15 | awal1 | what I want is somehow combine dpkg -l and aptitude search '?essential' |
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| 15:44.22 | greycat | aptitude search '?essential' | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -l |
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| 15:44.48 | greycat | xargs is allowed only because the debian package name restrictions are so tight |
| 15:45.37 | awal1 | greycat, that command gives me same result as just with aptitude search '?essential' |
| 15:45.47 | greycat | fucking kidding me... |
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| 15:46.04 | greycat | You're lying. Just pasted it now. |
| 15:46.20 | greycat | I get a crapload of dpkg-query: no packages found matching apt:i386 |
| 15:46.37 | awal1 | greycat, I mean no mention about pkgs being essential; even if lst is like dpkg -l one |
| 15:46.38 | greycat | but otherwise, it does what you want. I'm guessing the "i" and "p" from field 1 of aptitude's output are meaningful somehow. |
| 15:46.55 | greycat | What the hell do you want it to DO that it doesn't do? |
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| 15:48.09 | awal1 | well, I wanted dpkg to tell me this is essential in the list |
| 15:48.40 | nejeeeee | can i mark for removal the kernel image in the synaptic package manager? will this work? |
| 15:48.46 | greycat | aptitude search '?essential' | awk '$1 == "i" {print $2}' | xargs dpkg -l | sed 's/$/this is essential in the list/' |
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| 15:49.04 | awal1 | lol, lying? no! just copied command and execute dit, tht is fast :P |
| 15:49.32 | greycat | You literally lied. You said that the command I gave did the same thing as aptitude search '?essential' but clearly it has different output, AS REQUESTED. |
| 15:50.06 | greycat | I was worried at first that aptitude might have been writing to stderr, which COULD have caused the commands not to work as written, but then I tested it, and voila, it did what I said it did, which is WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. |
| 15:51.11 | awal1 | greycat, don't be excited please :P My question was : list all pkgs but somehow in the list indicate a,b,c and d are essential |
| 15:51.26 | awal1 | my english may be not clear, sorry for that |
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| 15:52.38 | greycat | In that case you need a much more complex program than can be fit in a single line of IRC. |
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| 15:53.09 | greycat | The way I would do it is to read the output of aptitude into an associative array, then read the output of dpkg -l and mark it up according to whether the pkg name is in the array. |
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| 15:58.06 | annadane | wonders whether the apt autoremoval of libreoffice-pdfimport removes that functionality from libreoffice 6 entirely |
| 15:58.38 | annadane | is not a fan of apt autoremove |
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| 15:59.43 | akay | autoremove can do some weird stuff in some occasions |
| 16:00.02 | annadane | i'm just going to reinstall anything not marked lib* |
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| 16:00.05 | greycat | I have literally never voluntarily run apt-get autoremove, and never intend to do so in the future. |
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| 16:00.33 | greycat | One time Debian ran it without my consent, when I tried to abort out of tasksel. And the only reason I was in tasksel was to test something while answering a question. |
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| 16:00.58 | greycat | After that, I learned how to disable autoremove by marking every package as ineligible in a config file. |
| 16:01.15 | annadane | libreoffice-pdfimport:amd64 (1:6.0.2-1~bpo9+1) |
| 16:01.24 | annadane | did you seriously just remove a backport package when i have the backport installed |
| 16:01.27 | annadane | fuck off, debian |
| 16:01.49 | greycat | wooledg:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local |
| 16:01.49 | greycat | APT::NeverAutoRemove "."; |
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| 16:02.10 | greycat | If you create that file with that content, autoremove will consider every package off-limits and basically autoremove will no longer exist. |
| 16:02.16 | annadane | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:02.16 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.20 | annadane | ...yeah... |
| 16:02.26 | annadane | i think i'm just going to do what you suggested |
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| 16:03.18 | greycat | It's not for everyone, so I wouldn't recommend it universally. |
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| 16:04.08 | somiaj | I missed the original issue, but could this be some backports issue and yyou need to install the unmet depends from backports? |
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| 16:04.20 | JyZyXEL | greycat: how do you get auto-remove to misbehave? i've been running it for years after every dist-upgrade and it has never "surprised" me |
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| 16:04.38 | greycat | It surprised me by being run *at all* when I tried to cancel out of tasksel. |
| 16:04.42 | annadane | okay, what the hell. libreoffice-pdfimport installs when i specify -t stretch-backports but it's not listed in backports on packages.debian.org |
| 16:04.46 | annadane | whatever |
| 16:04.52 | JyZyXEL | i've even gone as far to make 3 additional auto-removes myself to make it remove more stuff |
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| 16:05.32 | annadane | now i just wonder what to do with the lib* files; forget it, i'm just going to reinstall them |
| 16:05.38 | annadane | and never run autoremove ever |
| 16:05.56 | somiaj | annadane: you probably have some other backports package on your system causing something else in the dependency chain to need the backports version which won't work without the -t stretch-backports line |
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| 16:06.13 | annadane | yeah, ok |
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| 16:06.49 | somiaj | this is one of the annoying features of pinning with backports, sometimes future stuff can't corretly figure out when to use the stretch-backports version or not. |
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| 16:08.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,v libreiffice-pdfimport |
| 16:08.49 | judd | No package named 'libreiffice-pdfimport' was found in amd64. |
| 16:08.57 | jhutchins_wk | ,v libreoffice-pdfimport |
| 16:08.59 | judd | Package: libreoffice-pdfimport on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.5+LibO3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1.0.5+LibO3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u10; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u9; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u10; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u10; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u2~bpo8+1; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u2; stretch: |
| 16:09.00 | judd | 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3; sid: 1:5.4.3-4; stretch-backports: 1:6.0.1-1~bpo9+1; stretch-backports: 1:6.0.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.0.2-1; sid: 1:6.0.2-1 |
| 16:09.25 | annadane | there. i just hope that didn't break anything |
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| 16:10.58 | JyZyXEL | i've taken entire work days to just sit down and go trough every package on every debian box i own :P |
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| 16:11.40 | annadane | "no longer required" is very misleading |
| 16:12.01 | Meteorite | Hi, I have set up a webserver using virtualenvwrapper. Unfortunatly, i did so from the root account, while the tutorial i followed assumed i would sudo from a normal user account. I noticed my virtual environmet is now placed in /root/Env/ instead of /home/Env/. Is there an easy fix, like moving the whole directory over? |
| 16:12.20 | annadane | things embedded in large metapackages or specific program names are obvious but when it comes to things you don't know it's tempting to autoremove and remove some obscure functionality it provided |
| 16:15.01 | annadane | nobody has the time to track what each lib packages does and it's really annoying as a result |
| 16:15.38 | annadane | s/packages/package |
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| 16:18.11 | annadane | especially in backports or even stable when you assume the defaults are sane |
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| 16:28.01 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: That depends on whether the location of the files is embedded in the code or configuration now. You could just try it. If it breaks, look for those changes. |
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| 16:28.16 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: You could also just back out all of your changes and re-run them. |
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| 16:29.05 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: Unfortunately, developers tend to assume that everybody handles administrative tasks the same way they do, and don't allow for the fact that there's always more than one way in Linux. |
| 16:29.21 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: A default Debian install doesn't eveh _have_ sudo. |
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| 16:45.14 | znx69 | #flood |
| 16:45.23 | znx69 | guys, where i should put picture for explanation of my issue? |
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| 16:45.51 | greycat | imgur.com is popular, but why not try explaining the issue without a picture first? |
| 16:46.02 | BanHammor | anything that provides direct links will do |
| 16:46.13 | znx69 | ok.thanks |
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| 16:47.02 | znx69 | greycat, i want show the output for clearness ) |
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| 16:47.53 | ngomes | whaT Debian version ships kernel 2.6.xx ? |
| 16:48.18 | greycat | squeeze is the last one, I think |
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| 16:48.36 | ngomes | greycat, is it still active , i mean repositories and all ? |
| 16:48.43 | greycat | !squeeze |
| 16:48.43 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Security support for Squeeze ended on 2014-05-31, but ask me about <squeeze-lts>. Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze ; ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.10>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 16:49.05 | greycat | that's out of date; it's not oldoldstable any more |
| 16:49.31 | ngomes | does the repositories are up to date ? |
| 16:49.34 | greycat | No. |
| 16:49.42 | ngomes | i mean , in working condition |
| 16:49.43 | greycat | squeeze has not received any updates for well over a year |
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| 16:50.05 | greycat | You mean "can it be installed"? Yes. |
| 16:50.12 | znx69 | https://ibb.co/i1EZ0S |
| 16:50.12 | znx69 | i did: |
| 16:50.12 | znx69 | debootstrap stretch /mnt |
| 16:50.12 | znx69 | chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 16:50.12 | znx69 | apt install give me this output |
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| 16:50.25 | ngomes | can be installed and repositories in use |
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| 16:51.11 | greycat | dpkg, squeeze =~ s/ and is the oldoldstable release// |
| 16:51.11 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 16:51.51 | greycat | znx69: if your issue can be explained with a textual paste, use http://paste.debian.net/ instead of an image |
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| 16:52.34 | ngomes | greycat, is debian 6 squeeze usable without hdd instalation , as tryout or something like the new distros ? |
| 16:53.01 | greycat | why? |
| 16:53.19 | ngomes | i just need to compile something, now really need to install |
| 16:53.40 | greycat | It's theoretically CONCEIVABLE that there could exist a working squeeze live CD somewhere on the planet earth, but ... it's quite old. |
| 16:53.56 | ngomes | gonna search |
| 16:54.10 | greycat | If you just want to compile something for squeeze, do a deboostrap install of squeeze into a chroot-able directory inside your existing Debian. |
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| 16:54.53 | znx69 | greycat, thanks |
| 16:55.03 | znx69 | https://paste.debian.net/1018163 |
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| 16:55.20 | annadane | !tell ngomes about snapshots |
| 16:55.52 | ngomes | greycat, i don't know nothing about deboostrap |
| 16:55.54 | annadane | but yeah don't mix it in with jessie/stretch |
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| 16:55.59 | annadane | or wheezy or.............. |
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| 16:56.08 | greycat | !debootstrap |
| 16:56.08 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 16:56.17 | ngomes | i'm using debian on windows 10 (WSL) |
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| 16:56.30 | johnfg | hi folks! |
| 16:56.34 | greycat | oh jesus fuck |
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| 16:56.49 | greycat | OK, now I know not to bother. |
| 16:57.03 | annadane | good first introduction to the channel for johnfg :P |
| 16:57.09 | ngomes | lol |
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| 16:57.32 | greycat | znx69: verify that PATH contains /sbin and /usr/sbin |
| 16:57.38 | johnfg | Everything looks ok afaik, with setting up printing on debian stretch, but nothing's printing. |
| 16:58.04 | znx69 | greycat, files exist with 755 perm |
| 16:58.06 | greycat | znx69: beyond that, I'm not sure about the /dev/pts stuff, but you should probably double check the debootstrap instructions and make sure you got everything |
| 16:58.10 | johnfg | No errors from journalctl, and the files are staying in /var/spool/cups that I try to print. |
| 16:58.25 | johnfg | This is a Canon MF4150 |
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| 16:58.36 | greycat | znx69: I didn't say check that /sbin/ldconfig exists. I said to verity that /sbin is in your $PATH variable Right Now This Moment Here On This Shell. |
| 16:58.58 | znx69 | i got it after i did chroot successfully |
| 16:59.11 | greycat | znx69: echo "$PATH" |
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| 17:00.51 | znx69 | greycat, sorry, im understood now, checking |
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| 17:04.00 | johnfg | Also, no errors in /var/log/cups/error.log. |
| 17:04.07 | johnfg | Any ideas or what to check? |
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| 17:04.39 | ngomes | greycat, running vm of squeeze 6.0.10 live. it fails to sudo apt-get update , error 404 |
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| 17:14.13 | znx69 | greycat, thank you one more time. solved |
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| 17:26.33 | flipper887 | Good day all |
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| 17:31.48 | palmtree | hi, I need some help with the Debian Live on a Macbook Pro... I've installed it correctly on a USB and it's currently running... what I want to do is to access the Macintosh HD partition of the HDD inside the Mac from the Live Debian... how can I do it? The HDD doesn't appear in the Media section... is it because it's an HFS+ partition and cannot be read from linux? Please help me because I need to backup :-) |
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| 17:33.05 | jhutchins_wk | !hpfs |
| 17:33.15 | aaron83 | search hsf n repo |
| 17:33.20 | jhutchins_wk | !hfs |
| 17:33.20 | dpkg | The Hierarchial File System (HFS, aka Mac OS Standard) is the default filesystem on Mac OS prior to Mac OS X. <MBR> partition ID: 0xAF. The Linux kernel's hfs filesystem driver can read/write HFS filesystems, tools are in the hfsutils package. <parted> can resize HFS (shrink only) provided the start of the partition stays fixed. See also <hfsplus>. |
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| 17:33.42 | aaron83 | hsfplus |
| 17:33.52 | jhutchins_wk | aaron83: /msg dpkg hfsplus |
| 17:34.06 | aaron83 | description: |
| 17:34.07 | aaron83 | HFS+ is a modernized version of Apple Computers HFS Filesystem. |
| 17:34.07 | aaron83 | Nowadays, it is widely used with more recent versions of MacOS. |
| 17:34.08 | aaron83 | hfsplus consists of a library and a set of tools that allow access |
| 17:34.08 | aaron83 | to HFS+ volumes. |
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| 17:34.34 | tpo | oops |
| 17:35.03 | palmtree | wait wait wait ahah |
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| 17:35.40 | palmtree | and when I run the command "sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sda2 /mnt/macosx/ it returns me: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, missing codepage or helper progra,...blabla |
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| 17:36.22 | palmtree | I mean I suppose it's HFS+ and not Apple Core, how can I check that? and access the HDD and copy things to another media? |
| 17:36.46 | jhutchins_wk | palmtree: /msg dpkg hfsplus |
| 17:37.03 | jhutchins_wk | palmtree: There are a couple of extra packages to install. |
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| 17:37.33 | palmtree | jhutchins_wk such as? |
| 17:37.47 | greycat | Why are you refusing to read the bot's factoid? |
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| 17:38.14 | ngomes | how do i install package "crossbuild-essential-mipsel_12_all" in debian squeeze please ? |
| 17:38.35 | ngomes | i've try to add the snapshots at sources.list and it aint there listed |
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| 17:41.04 | palmtree | update: in the Disk application I see that the Mac HDD has 3 partitions: EFI, Macintosh HD and Recovery HD... Macintosh HD is the one I want to access and it's an Apple Core Storage |
| 17:41.26 | palmtree | therefore I don't know if a hfsplus would help that much, what do u think? |
| 17:41.29 | Tenkawa | ngomes: did you run apt-get update? |
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| 17:42.09 | greycat | palmtree: did you try basic commands like "fdisk -l" to see what they say? Did you compare the partition types as reported there against the bot's factoids? |
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| 17:43.29 | palmtree | greycat Yeah I did that already: /dev/sda2 <Start> <End> <Sectors> <Size> <Type: Apple Core storage> |
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| 17:43.45 | Tenkawa | apple core storage is an lvm equiv introduced in lion |
| 17:43.55 | ngomes | Tenkawa, yes. i'm getting a keyexpired , don't know if it's ok or not |
| 17:44.24 | Tenkawa | ngomes: hmm.. |
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| 17:44.32 | palmtree | Tenkawa it's a Macbook Pro from 2012 |
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| 17:44.46 | Tenkawa | palmtree: running lion though right?\ |
| 17:44.53 | Tenkawa | or newer? |
| 17:45.04 | palmtree | Tenkawa yeah Lion |
| 17:45.07 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 17:45.29 | palmtree | Tenkawa so? How can I access it from Ubuntu? |
| 17:45.49 | Tenkawa | greycat: do you know if that meta-lvm data can be accessed? |
| 17:45.56 | Tenkawa | looks it up too |
| 17:46.32 | greycat | If the apple box can be booted and runs an ssh daemon with SFTP subsystem, you could sshfs mount the directory from a Linux client with sshfs. |
| 17:46.42 | aaron83 | hpmount <options> source-path |
| 17:46.57 | palmtree | sshfs? |
| 17:47.23 | Tenkawa | aaron83: does hpmount support apple core/filevault? |
| 17:47.24 | greycat | or you could google something like "linux read apple core storage" and try your luck with the google answer slot machine |
| 17:47.30 | jhutchins_wk | Also, if you're running Ubuntu the packages might be different, so ask in #ubuntu, not here. |
| 17:47.37 | palmtree | wait... Ubuntu Live is running on a USB key in the Macbook... there should be a way to access the Macintosh HD partition directly from there |
| 17:47.39 | jhutchins_wk | palmtree: ^ |
| 17:47.58 | palmtree | ahh not Ubuntu, Debian! |
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| 17:48.20 | palmtree | jhutchins_wk ^ |
| 17:48.23 | greycat | https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/211093/how-to-mount-core-storage-volume-under-linux-or-force-conversion-on-unrevertibl |
| 17:48.30 | greycat | spinning the google answer slot machine! |
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| 17:49.28 | tw | and since it's thin-provisioned, it can only be RO. |
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| 17:50.19 | palmtree | greycat seems some even write papers on this lol https://eprint.iacr.org/2012/374.pdf |
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| 17:51.27 | palmtree | greycat I'll try this one: https://askubuntu.com/questions/272351/how-to-mount-apple-core-storage-partition/441443 |
| 17:52.07 | palmtree | btw... I'm asking in 3 different channels and no one had the same solution and answer |
| 17:52.56 | greycat | because cross-posting isn't a dick move or anything... |
| 17:53.32 | tw | It's not like it's debian anyway, he already said it's ubunchu. |
| 17:54.07 | palmtree | I've tried 3 distros Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu... all the same issue... it's linux in the end |
| 17:54.20 | greycat | It's probably really Ubuntu, and when he posted in #ubuntu he didn't have to lie, but then he cross-posted here and accidentally said the truth, then "corrected" himself: 13:47 palmtree> ahh not Ubuntu, Debian! |
| 17:55.09 | greycat | So sshfs into the box as root and back it up over the network. |
| 17:55.24 | palmtree | greycat look i've no time to discuss, I tried Ubuntu before Debian and I misstyped that's all, like I did the same with Fedora |
| 17:55.34 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:55.58 | greycat | Cross-posting, self-entitled asshole. |
| 17:55.59 | tw | does debian support rfc 7858 dns over tls? |
| 17:56.21 | palmtree | greycat thank your time and help! :-) |
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| 17:56.42 | ngomes | i've try to add the snapshots at sources.list and it aint there listed |
| 17:56.55 | ngomes | how do i install package "crossbuild-essential-mipsel_12_all" in debian squeeze please ? |
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| 17:57.07 | tw | ,v crossbuild-essential-mipsel_12_all |
| 17:57.08 | judd | No package named 'crossbuild-essential-mipsel_12_all' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:57.22 | greycat | package names cannot contain _ |
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| 17:57.43 | ngomes | ,v build-essential_12_mips |
| 17:57.44 | judd | No package named 'build-essential_12_mips' was found in amd64. |
| 17:58.06 | ngomes | cannot contain ? http://snapshot.debian.org/package/build-essential/12/#crossbuild-essential-mipsel_12 |
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| 17:59.04 | jhutchins_wk | ,v crossbuild-essential-mipsel |
| 17:59.06 | judd | Package: crossbuild-essential-mipsel on amd64 -- stretch: 12.3; buster: 12.4; sid: 12.4 |
| 18:00.04 | ngomes | i've added the snapshot to use with squeeze it says it cannot find package |
| 18:00.28 | ngomes | and the end of the update i get a gpg error with pub keys , does that influence the update ? |
| 18:00.31 | jhutchins_wk | ngomes: Use the package name as returned by judd. |
| 18:00.37 | somiaj | you don't wan tto be installing stretch packages in squeeze. |
| 18:00.40 | tw | I'd be pretty surprised if there aren't old-old-stable conflicts with glibc. |
| 18:00.50 | ngomes | jhutchins_wk, already did |
| 18:00.53 | tw | But very impressed if there aren't. |
| 18:00.54 | ngomes | jhutchins_wk, already did same |
| 18:01.07 | jhutchins_wk | ngomes: Ah, if you're on stretch it's not available. |
| 18:01.19 | ngomes | i'm on squeeze |
| 18:01.24 | ngomes | 6.0 squeeze |
| 18:01.37 | greycat | 12:56 ngomes> i'm using debian on windows 10 (WSL) |
| 18:01.38 | jhutchins_wk | ngomes: Sorry, yes, squeeze doesn't have it, stretch does. |
| 18:01.51 | ngomes | greycat, i know how to use VM too |
| 18:01.54 | tw | err, sorry, wheezy is old-old-stable. squeeze is out of support for a while XD. |
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| 18:02.25 | ngomes | does stretch uses the kernel 2.6.xx ? |
| 18:02.32 | ngomes | even the first release ? |
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| 18:03.21 | tw | Why do you think you need a 2.6.xx kernel? |
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| 18:04.52 | ngomes | because my cross compile binary will run on an embedded device with that kernel. already tried with latest kernel and it failed to work with that error |
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| 18:05.02 | ngomes | tw, ^^ |
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| 18:06.12 | tw | You're cross compiling. The target kernel source needs to be in a different location than the /usr/src and you need to specify your kernel headers location manually... |
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| 18:08.55 | tw | My second question would be if this is an embedded device, do you even have the kernel source for that version with the .config for it so you can reproduce the ABI? |
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| 18:10.05 | jelly | ngomes, forget about stretch userspace with that old a kernel |
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| 18:10.27 | ngomes | stretch ? |
| 18:10.36 | jelly | debian 9. |
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| 18:14.39 | Guest43794 | where are the "info" pages located?? I mean the pages that I can read via `info ...` |
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| 18:15.17 | somiaj | I would guess /usr/share/info/ |
| 18:15.39 | jelly | tw, there's precious few tools that support dns over tls at all at this point. unbound, pdns, getdns, maybe one or two others. sid might have fresh enough versions for some of those. |
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| 18:16.40 | jelly | ,v getdns |
| 18:16.41 | judd | No package named 'getdns' was found in amd64. |
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| 18:17.09 | jelly | ,v getdns-utils |
| 18:17.11 | judd | Package: getdns-utils on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0~a2-2; buster: 1.4.1-1; sid: 1.4.1-1 |
| 18:17.15 | blubber | ,v qemu-headless |
| 18:17.16 | judd | No package named 'qemu-headless' was found in amd64. |
| 18:17.48 | somiaj | blubber: you can /msg judd v foo |
| 18:17.52 | jelly | minimum 1.2 needed for their "stubby" resolver |
| 18:18.16 | blubber | may i ask why debian keeps sticking to sdl1 support? sdl1 is deprecated since qemu 2.7 and shouldn't be used anymore. why not sdl2 or gtk? |
| 18:18.26 | tw | jelly: thanks, I'll look at a few of those. |
| 18:18.30 | blubber | im talking about qemu |
| 18:19.08 | somiaj | blubber: there are other methods. I use vnc/spice on my vms here. |
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| 18:19.48 | blubber | somiaj: does 3d accel work? because with keeping sticking to sdl1 is doesnt. virgl doesnt work! |
| 18:20.17 | Solbu | When we use uscan to update packages, the debian/watch file is not transfered to the new package version. Is that intentional behaviour? |
| 18:20.18 | somiaj | blubber: it is supose to over spice + he xserver qxl drivers. I haven't actually tried though as I only use it for 2d xorg stuff |
| 18:20.51 | blubber | qxl is a 3d virtual display gpu, right? |
| 18:21.26 | somiaj | I belive so, and it works well with spice, for what I use it for. though I haven't tried any 3d stuff in my guests |
| 18:21.30 | tw | No, qxl is just the spice driver. There's no stable, native vgpu in qemu at this time. |
| 18:21.49 | blubber | tw: virgl is. |
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| 18:23.08 | blubber | somiaj: i use plain qemu, means no libvirt. can i use vnc/spice without it? |
| 18:23.30 | somiaj | yes, I just like libvirt myself because it deals with the details for me. |
| 18:23.41 | tw | if virtio-gpu is supported, the options would be -vga virtio -display gtk,gl=on |
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| 18:24.24 | blubber | tw: "qemu-system-x86_64: -display gtk,gl=on: GTK support is disabled" |
| 18:24.44 | Guest43794 | thanks somiaj |
| 18:24.49 | somiaj | blubber: -spice is an option for qemu-system, unsure on the detals but you can set up various stuff that way. |
| 18:24.52 | jhutchins_wk | Solbu: I think that's more of a uscan support question than Debian. |
| 18:25.43 | blubber | And with "-display sdl,gl=on" I'm getting: SDL1 display code has no opengl support. Please recompile qemu with SDL2, using ./configure --enable-sdl --with-sdlabi=2.0 qemu-system-x86_64: OpenGL support is disabled |
| 18:25.49 | somiaj | yea seems there is a -spice gl=on option |
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| 18:26.59 | blubber | somiaj: "qemu-system-x86_64: -spice gl=on: Invalid parameter 'gl'" |
| 18:27.07 | tw | I dunno how it passes the GL context to the device then, because on nvidia at least, you have to own and provide the X11 context for the display to load at all. |
| 18:27.21 | tw | that's some spice magic. |
| 18:27.28 | somiaj | blubber: what version of debain are you suing? |
| 18:27.33 | blubber | stretch/9.4 |
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| 18:27.58 | somiaj | blubber: the option is listed under man qemu-system-x86_64 |
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| 18:28.48 | octet | I installed "timidity", and "timidity-interfaces-extra", but when I try to right click and open a midi file, Timidity isn't in the list. Any idea how to make it the deafult application? |
| 18:28.55 | somiaj | blubber: switch from sdl1 to sdl2 (Closes: #870025) -- newer versions of qemu will use sdl2 by default, the change was a bit after stretch though. |
| 18:28.57 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/870025 in qemu-system-x86 (closed): «qemu: Please switch to SDL2»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-07-28; last modified: 2017-11-14. |
| 18:29.01 | somiaj | ,v qemu-kvm |
| 18:29.02 | judd | Package: qemu-kvm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u24; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.8+dfsg-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u3; buster: 1:2.11+dfsg-1; sid: 1:2.11+dfsg-1 |
| 18:29.26 | blubber | its listed, but the option is invalid |
| 18:29.28 | somiaj | blubber: but I don't see any backport made, but you can at least know in the future you'll have sdl2 support. |
| 18:29.29 | blubber | -spice gl=on |
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| 18:30.14 | somiaj | you may find qemu more specific support better for this, to me it is still rare to see someone with much experience with qemu + gl |
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| 18:31.00 | tw | spice-server1 needs to be at least 0.13.2 |
| 18:31.04 | tw | ,v spice-server1 |
| 18:31.05 | judd | No package named 'spice-server1' was found in amd64. |
| 18:31.16 | tw | ,v libspice-server1 |
| 18:31.17 | judd | Package: libspice-server1 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.11.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.11.0-1+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 0.12.4-0nocelt2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.12.5-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 0.12.5-1+deb8u5; stretch: 0.12.8-2.1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 0.12.8-2.1+deb9u1; buster: 0.14.0-1; sid: 0.14.0-1 |
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| 18:32.46 | tw | I've done it with gpu passthrough, but not vgpu. As far as I know, it's not mainstream. |
| 18:32.46 | blubber | and stretch has 0.12 |
| 18:33.17 | somiaj | blubber: sounds like you may want to try to backport qemu from buster |
| 18:33.32 | somiaj | ,check-backport qemu-kvm |
| 18:33.34 | judd | Backporting package qemu-kvm in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, virtual. |
| 18:33.46 | somiaj | ,check-backport libspice-server1 |
| 18:33.47 | judd | Backporting package libspice-server1 in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libspice-protocol-dev (>= 0.12.13). |
| 18:34.00 | somiaj | yea you may have a bit of work if you go the backport route. |
| 18:35.22 | tw | I'm surprised nobody has yet written a tool to completely f'up a debian install by auto-resolving backport dependencies. |
| 18:36.00 | tw | Unless there is such a tool... debian is a big place <.< |
| 18:36.48 | somiaj | I would rather just see apt have a better way to deal with backports and dependencies than pinning. |
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| 18:37.36 | blubber | i dont like the backports way |
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| 18:38.04 | somiaj | it is better than nothing to get newer software into stretch without totally breaking it |
| 18:38.10 | tw | somiaj: if you could somehow manage that, rolling releases would be a feasible thing. |
| 18:38.46 | tw | But I think there's a whole linux ecosystem fighting against that :( |
| 18:38.55 | blubber | against rolling release? |
| 18:39.03 | tw | against autoversioned APIs. |
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| 18:39.11 | tw | which is the only way I can imagine that working. |
| 18:39.19 | blubber | i dont understand, im not a developer. |
| 18:40.22 | tw | Suffice it to say that a lot of magic^H^H^H^H^Hhard work goes into making sure the exact version of every library is correct and compatible in any given release. |
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| 18:41.45 | blubber | now i understand |
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| 18:50.10 | blubber | ok, will use -daemonize and gvncviewer |
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| 18:51.54 | blubber | thanks and have a good day |
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| 19:04.22 | annadane | i'm not really asking for help but i guess i'll just mention that installing the kernel from backports hangs unless i turned off apt-listchanges and then the headers failed to build for some reason and i think rebooting fixed it |
| 19:05.36 | annadane | it said "check the logs for details" which i didn't because i am a lazy sod |
| 19:05.45 | annadane | and now forget which log it told me to check :P |
| 19:07.17 | annadane | i wonder if that was when nvidia was active, i don't believe so, i think i had switched to nouveau first |
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| 19:11.47 | annadane | i guess i should have done it from outside x |
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| 19:11.57 | annadane | afaik everything is fine now |
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| 19:19.18 | donofrio | what repo would have xfwm-4.13 like I can get in ubuntu? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental ? |
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| 19:19.27 | annadane | ,v xfwm |
| 19:19.27 | greycat | Didn't we already answer this? |
| 19:19.27 | judd | No package named 'xfwm' was found in amd64. |
| 19:19.29 | greycat | ,v xfwm4 |
| 19:19.30 | judd | Package: xfwm4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.3-2; jessie: 4.10.1-3; buster: 4.12.4-1; sid: 4.12.4-1; stretch: 4.12.4-1; experimental: 4.13.0-1 |
| 19:19.32 | annadane | right |
| 19:19.35 | greycat | I know I already answered this. |
| 19:19.38 | donofrio | I see it |
| 19:20.09 | donofrio | now how do add repo for that (also didn't see any green highlight on this channel that might have showed a reply hour ago....I use hexchat fwiw) |
| 19:20.21 | greycat | !experimental |
| 19:20.22 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 19:20.48 | greycat | Fucking green high... JESUS CHRIST, *plonk* |
| 19:21.01 | greycat | More self-entitled assholes. |
| 19:21.09 | greycat | Go back to Ubuntu. |
| 19:21.51 | donofrio | humm....that doesn't say how to install - all these words and nothing that just states add-repo https://packages.debian.org/experimental/xfce/xfwm4 ? |
| 19:22.00 | annadane | stop mixing debian with ubuntu |
| 19:22.06 | annadane | go ask ubuntu how to do it |
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| 19:22.19 | annadane | they probably have a ppa or something |
| 19:22.30 | greycat | annadane: he won't SEE it because you didn't put his god damned NAME on every single response line |
| 19:22.54 | donofrio | annadane, I'm not I was asked to find the equal to what I am doing in http://www.tinyurl.com/donofrio1804 (skip unneeded onedrive login) and I have not found this equal yet that is why I'm 'asking' |
| 19:23.20 | donofrio | (I'm lurking in like 40 channels so yah that is why I didn't see it) |
| 19:23.42 | annadane | i'm not sure what you're trying to do but i'm not sure you absolutely need the latest xfce |
| 19:23.47 | annadane | in any case this isn't the channel for it |
| 19:24.13 | donofrio | annadane, I needed xfwm-4.13 to go from randr to opengl on w10 to fix the sync on black refresh issues |
| 19:24.27 | annadane | well, anyway, if you're on ubuntu this still isn't the right channel |
| 19:24.33 | donofrio | so what channel would I join to find out how to get this in debain |
| 19:24.46 | donofrio | (that is why I am here talking and not in ubuntu talking) |
| 19:24.53 | annadane | i'd maybe just use a vm |
| 19:25.07 | annadane | i don't know how well it would compile |
| 19:25.20 | donofrio | nope vm's are uncontrolled jails uneeded in future where all files are visable to multiple os's |
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| 19:25.51 | tw | annadane: updating video drivers from within X is a recipe for disaster, especially if it needs to start a new program to display something. |
| 19:26.00 | annadane | yeah, gathered that |
| 19:26.02 | donofrio | someday soon we'll be able to keep our installs updated with scom ...I know cring but I'm trying to think business here |
| 19:26.26 | annadane | i could go back to 4.9.0.6 and reinstall the 4.14 kernel just to validate everything checks out ok |
| 19:26.51 | annadane | debian on windows 10 isn't really supported here |
| 19:26.57 | annadane | !tell donofrio about based on debian |
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| 19:27.17 | greycat | wait, what |
| 19:27.27 | greycat | Did I ignore this guy and then he came back with a different nick? |
| 19:27.51 | annadane | well anyway brb then |
| 19:28.01 | tw | At home I'm running 4.13(?) from bpo w/ nvidia 384 and that seems to work fine. |
| 19:28.03 | donofrio | annadane, it works and has same gpg/fiend issues... |
| 19:28.14 | donofrio | tw works great for me too |
| 19:28.32 | donofrio | tw, was just asking so I'd have an equal for procerss steps for sarge and the like |
| 19:28.59 | donofrio | is here context to my qeustion https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/2960#issuecomment-377928662 |
| 19:29.07 | donofrio | I'll go back to mute now and lurk again |
| 19:29.17 | tw | donofrio: sarge is from 2005. |
| 19:29.25 | donofrio | wrong name (mybad) |
| 19:29.42 | donofrio | meant buster |
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| 19:29.51 | donofrio | I mean streatch |
| 19:29.56 | donofrio | it's in that link |
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| 19:33.25 | donofrio | oh an fwiw - https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/03/06/debian-gnulinux-for-wsl-now-available-in-the-windows-store/ so more will come this way....if you want send them to my channel ##windows-subsystem-for-linux (back to mute again) |
| 19:33.39 | jhutchins_wk | donofrio: You shouldn't be installing packages from experimental if you don't know about adding the repo. |
| 19:33.58 | jhutchins_wk | donofrio: You should also not mix packages from different releases. |
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| 19:34.25 | greycat | If you need xfwm 4.13 instead of 4.12 because 4.13 is 0.01 points higher than 4.13 then you have SNS and you should not be using Debian. |
| 19:34.42 | greycat | grr, typos |
| 19:34.58 | greycat | If you need xfwm4 4.13 instead of 4.12 because 4.13 is 0.01 points higher than 4.12 then you have SNS and you should not be using Debian. |
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| 19:35.30 | donofrio | greycat, it was to resolve refresh issues on these hp 8740p's when it was xfwm-4.12 it used xrand or something like that for compisitor xfwm-4.13 uses opengl and doesn't have that issue |
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| 19:39.16 | annadane | apt -t stretch-backports install --reinstall linux-image-amd64 apt -t stretch-backports install --reinstall linux-headers-amd64 - i guess that fixes it? though i didn't notice anything wrong before |
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| 19:39.44 | greycat | reinstalling a meta-package doesn't seem like it should do a lot |
| 19:40.35 | annadane | oh, right. |
| 19:40.51 | annadane | i guess i need the full kernel name |
| 19:40.58 | annadane | er, wait |
| 19:41.23 | annadane | (this is entirely my fault for not reading the logs and being dumb enough to do this inside x in the first place) |
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| 19:43.22 | bug | so --reinstall on a metapackage doesn't cause it to reinstall all of its "subpackages"? |
| 19:43.32 | greycat | no |
| 19:43.43 | bug | ok, good to know |
| 19:44.37 | frikinz | Hello. Anyone can recommend a good and simple DNS caching package. I also need to add a few permanent entries which are censored here. I used pdnsd long time ago but it seems gone.. |
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| 19:45.11 | bug | dnsmasq is pretty straightforward |
| 19:45.33 | annadane | apt -t stretch-backports install --reinstall linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 linux-headers-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 i assume |
| 19:45.45 | annadane | someone correct me if i'm wrong? |
| 19:45.50 | annadane | (from outside x, obviously) |
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| 19:50.43 | annadane | okay, well, i'll just go ahead and do that |
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| 19:51.13 | ejr | when i boot debian, i want it to boot into tty1, not into my window manager (i3). how can i get this to work? i don't have any login manager installed (login via cli) |
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| 19:53.09 | nkuttler | ejr: if you have no display manager installed, how does i3 start? |
| 19:53.21 | SlidingHorn | ejr, Unless you have some sort of script that is providing you an autologin and startx command, that should already happen |
| 19:53.29 | ejr | nkuttler: via .xinitrc (with the command exec i3;) |
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| 19:53.53 | Tenkawa | take it out of .xinitrc then |
| 19:53.56 | greycat | A default Debian installation with no Display Manager boots to a console login prompt on tty1. |
| 19:54.09 | greycat | I'm not sure what you're asking for that's different from the default. |
| 19:54.12 | ejr | when i uncomment "exec i3" in .xinitrc, it loops back to the login window, and when I delete .xinitrc it still starts i3 |
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| 19:54.26 | greycat | What "login window"? |
| 19:54.31 | Tenkawa | is confused too |
| 19:54.41 | ejr | greycat: the tty1/2/... |
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| 19:55.44 | awal1 | ejr, that is not possible. |
| 19:56.05 | awal1 | have you installed nodm? |
| 19:56.22 | ejr | so even without the .xinitrc in my home folder, it still boots into i3. there is another .xinitrc in /etc/X11/xinit with the line "/etc/X11/XSession". Not sure if removing that file would solve it= |
| 19:56.30 | ejr | awal1: no, never heard of nodm |
| 19:57.51 | awal1 | as folks told you, without a display manager debian should boot to vt (ttyX). ejr |
| 19:58.03 | greycat | ejr: what did you DO to this poor computer that could leave it in this state? Some kind of autologin? Or are you just THAT bad at describing things? |
| 19:58.22 | ejr | probably the latter ;) |
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| 19:58.58 | awal1 | you must give your username first + user passwd for get logged to vt then to x window system |
| 19:59.01 | awal1 | ejr |
| 19:59.27 | awal1 | then to xwindow system via.xsession/.xinitrc/dm |
| 19:59.28 | greycat | In a NORMAL installation, without a DM, you would get a login prompt on tty1. You type your name and password and you get a shell prompt. Then you type "startx" to run X. |
| 19:59.32 | ejr | brb, reboot without the other xinitrc |
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| 20:00.29 | SlidingHorn | The only other explanation I can think of is some kind of PAM configuration that runs "startx" on user login |
| 20:00.37 | greycat | SlidingHorn: or .profile |
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| 20:03.13 | jhutchins_wk | Wouldn't this just be a matter of changing the default systemd target to multi-user? |
| 20:03.33 | greycat | We don't know what he's actually doing, because his descriptions have been self-contradictory so far. |
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| 20:03.57 | SlidingHorn | jhutchins_wk, I think they already have multi-user - they're logging in, but it's seemingly (If I'm understanding them properly) starting X without them explicitly saying to |
| 20:03.59 | greycat | Gotta wait for him to return so we can resume tooth-pulling. |
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| 20:05.59 | bug | is amused |
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| 20:06.42 | annadane | well, okay. i assume i performed wizardry and did things correctly |
| 20:06.50 | annadane | enough messing with it |
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| 20:09.15 | annadane | and also i think the build errors were for nvidia |
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| 20:09.28 | darsie | How do I get automount to mount a usb disk as myself and not as root so I can write to it? |
| 20:10.09 | annadane | the logs are nigh incomprehensible anyway, it wouldn't have done any good to read them in this instance |
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| 20:14.22 | bug | darsie, mount it on a subdirectory of ~/ and/or chown the subdirectory of /media to yourself recursively |
| 20:14.38 | DonArmstrong | darsie: mount -o user,uid=foo; generally. |
| 20:14.48 | greycat | bug: I suspect the issue is that it's a VFAT file system |
| 20:15.03 | dondelelcaro | s/user// |
| 20:15.10 | darsie | thx. I did as root mkdir x and chmod a+rwx x |
| 20:15.16 | darsie | it's ext4 |
| 20:15.32 | greycat | If it's ext4 then it has its own INTERNAL permissions. |
| 20:15.44 | greycat | The UIDs of the files INSIDE the device are what count. |
| 20:15.47 | darsie | mhm, interpreted on every comptuter differently. |
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| 20:16.05 | darsie | Umm, I mean owner/group IDs. |
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| 20:18.46 | annadane | i probably *could* have let the lib files go earlier actually |
| 20:18.52 | annadane | whatever |
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| 20:19.06 | annadane | i refuse to go through the system with a fine toothed comb until i start running out of space |
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| 20:19.52 | DammitJim | can one run a logging server (syslog server) on tcp and udp for 514? |
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| 20:21.33 | Meteorite | is there a good reason not to install sudo? |
| 20:21.48 | greycat | DammitJim: rsyslog.conf(5) mentions TCP but I didn't look much beyond that |
| 20:22.12 | greycat | in fact it mentions TCP, UDP and something called RELP |
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| 20:22.54 | DammitJim | yeah, not the right channel |
| 20:22.58 | DammitJim | to ask, but thanks greycat |
| 20:23.07 | DammitJim | I don't see an option to enable both |
| 20:23.11 | DammitJim | I'll set up a different server |
| 20:24.58 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: Yes. |
| 20:25.09 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: There are also good reasons to always install and use it. |
| 20:25.40 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: It depends a lot on your environment, but for a single-user personal computer it's not necessary. |
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| 20:26.15 | Meteorite | ok, would you recommand sudo over using root for general linux webserver use? |
| 20:26.29 | greycat | All web server admin is done "using root" |
| 20:26.49 | greycat | The difference between whether you use sudo or su to get to root are negligible. Personal preference. |
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| 20:27.36 | greycat | As long as you aren't logging into your desktop or laptop box as root and staying root all friggin' day long, you're fine. |
| 20:28.13 | Meteorite | thatÅ what i was thinking too. if i dont need sudo why use it right |
| 20:28.38 | SlidingHorn | Personally, I prefer using sudo - It reduces the possibility of me forgetting to exit root after I do what I need to do |
| 20:29.32 | bug | i'm no expert, but it seems like not having sudo is one less attack vector, and makes an adversary have to guess a separate password to get to root. |
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| 20:30.51 | jhutchins_wk | bug: One less thing to fail is a good principle. |
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| 20:32.17 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: If no-one besides you has access to the shell, su - is probably more secure. |
| 20:32.43 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: If you have more than one user making changes as root, sudo at least requires that they log in as themselves so you know who made the change. |
| 20:33.04 | jhutchins_wk | Meteorite: (Also don't allow root to log in via ssh.) |
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| 20:33.53 | Meteorite | thanks for the advise |
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| 20:35.20 | bug | yeh, no root ssh login, no sudo, and restrict su to users in wheel group is what i do, fwiw. |
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| 20:35.50 | greycat | 'wheel group' is a BSD thing not a Debian thing ;-) |
| 20:36.53 | greycat | And having used a few of those in the 1990s, I will just note that having to walk back to the machine and login on the console because you forgot to add your user to the wheel group when you installed.... |
| 20:37.15 | annadane | i was going to make a factoid on debian on windows 10 about not asking here but i don't know what to put as the who to contact thing |
| 20:37.43 | greycat | Was it one guy with 2 nicks, or were ngomes and donofrio actually 2 different people? |
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| 20:37.51 | annadane | i don't know, i wasn't paying attention |
| 20:37.56 | BCMM | definitely not ##windows. they have a channel policy that absolutely nothing is ever on topic there |
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| 20:41.48 | jhutchins_wk | So it's basically a Docker image? |
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| 20:43.22 | jhutchins_wk | I would think that specific-to-Debian support would be appropriate here, but a majority of support would have to come from MS. After all, you do pay for it. |
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| 20:46.26 | bug | on debian you can edit /etc/pam.d/su, uncomment "#auth required pam_wheel.so", groupadd wheel, and usermod -aG wheel <user> |
| 20:46.49 | jhutchins_wk | bug: Thanks for the details! |
| 20:47.59 | bug | my pleasure |
| 20:49.29 | annadane | now i just wonder how long it will be before someone asks a question in #debian about kali for windows 10 |
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| 20:59.23 | Pidgeotto | Has anyone asked about kali for windows 10. |
| 20:59.43 | greycat | Counting you? One person. :) |
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| 21:04.04 | Pidgeotto | the answer is ten minutes then |
| 21:04.06 | Pidgeotto | :P |
| 21:04.33 | rpifan | Pidgeotto, lol |
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| 21:06.33 | annadane | at least kali for windows 10 presumably doesn't autojoin people to #debian |
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| 21:09.51 | Pidgeotto | i hope not |
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| 21:35.31 | BCMM | does kali's default IRC client actually have #debian as a default autojoin? |
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| 21:37.25 | annadane | it used to be the case, it and parrot, i think; not sure any more though |
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| 21:38.08 | BCMM | well, it'd explain a lot |
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| 21:49.22 | Guest31873 | when is php7 gona be available |
| 21:50.06 | vlt | Guest31873: In 2015? |
| 21:50.13 | Guest31873 | lel |
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| 21:51.36 | Guest31873 | i cant see it |
| 21:51.40 | Guest31873 | apt cache search |
| 21:51.40 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, cache search is SO FREAKIN' COOL!!! |
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| 21:53.37 | vlt | Guest31873: What about `apt show php`? |
| 21:54.05 | Guest31873 | no |
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| 22:02.57 | donofrio | greycat, I'm always me, no other nicknames ever used by me.....check the logs... |
| 22:04.39 | nurupo | can someone help me get a source package from experimental? |
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| 22:05.36 | nurupo | this is the error i get https://gist.github.com/nurupo/dc7ffb33013f3450b1e5d89005c924e3 |
| 22:05.46 | nurupo | not sure if docker-specific |
| 22:06.01 | nurupo | it used to work on a plain debian jessie |
| 22:07.56 | Brigo | nurupo, are you sure there is an experimental package? |
| 22:08.09 | nurupo | yes |
| 22:08.42 | Brigo | nurupo, check the tracker: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nsis |
| 22:08.51 | nurupo | here it is https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/nsis |
| 22:08.58 | nurupo | it's version 3.03-2 |
| 22:09.42 | nurupo | for some reason apt tries to get 2.51-1, which is from Stretch, even despite me specifying -t experimental |
| 22:09.44 | Brigo | nurupo, that is in sid |
| 22:09.53 | Brigo | try -t sid |
| 22:09.56 | Brigo | or -t unstable |
| 22:11.01 | nurupo | ah, i see |
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| 22:11.10 | nurupo | it was moved to unstable a few days ago |
| 22:11.25 | nurupo | it's no longer in experimental |
| 22:11.38 | nurupo | Brigo: thanks, i'm blind :P |
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| 22:12.00 | Brigo | nurupo, things happens :) |
| 22:12.13 | Guest31873 | shit im an idiot |
| 22:12.22 | Guest31873 | forgot that i was on jessie |
| 22:12.28 | Guest31873 | and stretch came out |
| 22:12.34 | Guest31873 | lel |
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| 22:49.34 | Meteorite | i followed this: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-serve-django-applications-with-uwsgi-and-nginx-on-debian-8 tutorial. however instead of using sudo i just switched to root. Now I cant figure out how to get the configuration paths set up right. some stuff appears to be in /root/Env/ instead of /home/username/ i dont know how to sort this out. static/ is nowhere to be found |
| 22:50.05 | Meteorite | in sort: mayday |
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| 22:58.13 | bug | if there were commands in the tutorial without "sudo" in front of them, and you did them as root, you might have messed something up. |
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| 23:01.04 | bug | and there are environment differences even between sudo and su |
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| 23:11.02 | pi__ | yosh |
| 23:11.16 | itscoldsoletslig | whats up |
| 23:11.35 | foul_owl | Anyone know of a clipboard manager that allows you to stick entries? |
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| 23:30.35 | me7zg3r | Greetings! |
| 23:31.01 | me7zg3r | Please help a newbie with a pro tip, would be much appreciated |
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| 23:31.14 | annadane | !newcomer |
| 23:31.14 | dpkg | Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea. |
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| 23:34.05 | agio | hi does debian have a web based package browser like packages.ubuntu.com? |
| 23:34.24 | agio | or packages searcher |
| 23:34.28 | dondelelcaro | agio: packages.debian.org |
| 23:36.20 | agio | I think I found a bug in vrms on ubuntu - its not reporting the "linux-firmware" package as non-free - making me interested to investigate - although I don't think debian packages the contents of ubuntu's "linux-firmware" on any debian components at all - is that right? |
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| 23:37.06 | annadane | well, there's linux-firmware-free and linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 23:37.46 | agio | annadane: thanks, searching in packages.debian.org now... |
| 23:38.53 | agio | but the standard debian installer ISO wont come with the linux-firmware-nonfree right? I would have to download separately if I needed that? |
| 23:39.17 | annadane | correct, it's 100% free by default |
| 23:39.26 | annadane | there's a non-free firmware image however |
| 23:39.30 | annadane | !firmware image |
| 23:39.30 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 23:42.33 | agio | ah, I think I get it. so the regular installer just contains packages from the main component. the non-free installer contains packages from non-free and contrib? or at least enough packages to provide a basic OS install? |
| 23:42.47 | annadane | quite. |
| 23:43.40 | agio | annadane: thanks |
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| 23:44.09 | awal1 | agio, non free installer includes contib & non-free pkgs available in debian repos, yeah |
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| 23:45.39 | agio | hmm when I try search for "linux-firmware" Im getting no results: |
| 23:45.41 | agio | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-firmware |
| 23:46.37 | annadane | oh one sec |
| 23:47.06 | annadane | sorry; "firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 23:48.39 | agio | annadane: working now, thanks |
| 23:48.48 | annadane | this is what happens when you rely on memory :P |
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| 23:56.15 | me7zg3r | Hey, Annadane |
| 23:56.34 | me7zg3r | I'm familiar with the guide, it's just that my question is a bit non-standard, idk about that |
| 23:56.53 | annadane | oh sure, ask away, i just thought you were looking for general tips |
| 23:56.58 | me7zg3r | I've found myself wishing the linux-steam-compatibility package from Solus/Arch/Fedora, dunno how to install that |
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| 23:59.27 | annadane | i'm not familiar with steam or steam compatibility packages, the general answer to "how do i install foo when it's not in the debian repository is" https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable but i'm not sure how you'd make that interface with steam |
| 23:59.38 | annadane | i really have no idea, maybe someone else can answer |
| 23:59.57 | agio | If i add the line: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free to my /etc/apt/sources.list file - does that mean apt will always source packages from the lastest release? or the next upcoming release? |