| 00:00.12 | annadane | use stretch, not stable |
| 00:00.27 | me7zg3r | it has nothing to do with latest releases, actually |
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| 00:00.32 | annadane | "stable" is whatever stable is at the moment, so right now it's stretch, but that will change when buster releases, and you'll get a nasty surprise |
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| 00:00.45 | me7zg3r | to my knowledge stretch is stable |
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| 00:01.06 | agio | annadane: yeah thats what I thought - so is using "stable" only for developers? |
| 00:01.16 | me7zg3r | stable is for the general user |
| 00:01.20 | agio | when would someone _want_ to use "stable" ? |
| 00:01.23 | me7zg3r | the developers/nextgen is unstable or testing |
| 00:01.27 | annadane | not necessarily, just that most people will prefer to have the codename of the release in their sources list |
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| 00:01.37 | annadane | stretch right now *is* stable |
| 00:01.55 | annadane | which is the recommended release for general use and/or people who don't want their system to break |
| 00:02.04 | annadane | developers are more likely to use testing/unstable |
| 00:02.08 | me7zg3r | annadane, how painful is the transition, when buster arrives? |
| 00:02.21 | annadane | not painful if you keep backups and read the release notes |
| 00:02.40 | annadane | but if you blindly stumble into it it could be painful which is why you should use stretch and only change it to buster when *you* are ready to upgrade |
| 00:02.59 | annadane | though of course it depends on the system, some people have had breakage from jessie -> stretch |
| 00:03.58 | me7zg3r | understood, thank you |
| 00:04.07 | me7zg3r | could you instruct me on how to load from clonezilla without rebooting? |
| 00:04.18 | me7zg3r | e.g. shutdown X and boot from HDD image of CZ |
| 00:04.30 | me7zg3r | if that's possible at all |
| 00:04.42 | agio | annadane: so if you use "stable" in your apt sources - when buster releases apt suddenly the next `apt-get update' will fetch from buster not stretch repos and any subsequent `apt-whatever' will be based on an entirely new collection of packages? |
| 00:05.17 | annadane | yup |
| 00:05.28 | annadane | clonezilla, i have no idea about |
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| 00:06.35 | annadane | i have to go, unless anyone has any more questions? |
| 00:06.52 | agio | one quick one but not hugely important |
| 00:07.14 | agio | say someone upgrades from stretch to buster |
| 00:07.14 | annadane | nah, ask |
| 00:07.34 | agio | either via the "risky" automatic way or the "when I chose way" |
| 00:07.55 | agio | I expect the problems with be the saem in either case |
| 00:08.11 | agio | but what would those problems mostly be? |
| 00:08.24 | agio | problems with package dependencies? |
| 00:08.34 | me7zg3r | you have to read the buster update itself when it goes live |
| 00:08.42 | me7zg3r | that way you would know what's going to be changed |
| 00:08.46 | me7zg3r | and compare to your system |
| 00:08.59 | me7zg3r | if you have an image of your stable system you can just "try" |
| 00:09.03 | annadane | whatever caveats come with the current release; there may be specific upgrade instructions, or configurations that the user has which can break... generally, it's a very good idea (mandatory, really) to read the release notes upon upgrade |
| 00:09.06 | me7zg3r | if that doesn't work for you -- restore from image |
| 00:09.15 | agio | so its really lots of different categories of problems |
| 00:09.22 | me7zg3r | nah |
| 00:09.30 | annadane | it's quite a large upgrade, with releases being once every ~2 years |
| 00:09.32 | me7zg3r | mustdie breaks every month at users' |
| 00:10.35 | me7zg3r | apt install libgl1-nvidia-glx |
| 00:10.39 | me7zg3r | oops |
| 00:11.07 | annadane | but think of it this way; you're using stable because you rely on your machine to work, do you really want to keep stable in your sources.list and then have your machine behave in a completely different way? :) |
| 00:11.19 | annadane | (even though debian aims to have smooth transitions between stable releases) |
| 00:11.28 | agio | ah I see when you upgrade reading is involved, so thats the pain me7zg3r was referring to. yep I get it now... |
| 00:11.41 | me7zg3r | the pain is not reading :) |
| 00:11.54 | annadane | if you have stretch in your sources list you'll keep getting updates from stretch, without any nasty surprises |
| 00:12.20 | annadane | buster isn't due to release for a while, most likely 2019 |
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| 00:12.56 | agio | annadane: how long with the stretch - or general updates keep coming for before we are "forced" to upgrade to buster? |
| 00:13.32 | annadane | well, it's fully supported for about another year after release and then the LTS initiative takes over for more critical packages |
| 00:13.34 | annadane | !lts |
| 00:13.34 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:13.59 | annadane | actually i think that's outdated at this point |
| 00:14.02 | annadane | !wheezy |
| 00:14.02 | dpkg | Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25, but ask me about <wheezy-lts>. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. |
| 00:14.08 | annadane | nvm |
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| 00:14.24 | annadane | !tell annadane about wheezy-lts |
| 00:14.32 | me7zg3r | annadanne are you well familiar with programming? |
| 00:14.41 | annadane | no, not really |
| 00:14.44 | annadane | working on it |
| 00:14.48 | me7zg3r | same here... |
| 00:14.51 | me7zg3r | 'cause from what I understood Arch builds packages from scratch |
| 00:15.01 | me7zg3r | and I suppose I would be able to install their packages if I really want to |
| 00:15.17 | annadane | you want arch packages in debian, you mean? |
| 00:15.21 | me7zg3r | yeah |
| 00:15.32 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
| 00:16.28 | annadane | well, see you all later |
| 00:16.52 | me7zg3r | see ya |
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| 00:17.08 | agio | annadane: cya, thanks for help |
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| 00:24.36 | me7zg3r | hello gagrio |
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| 00:30.06 | idustyb | Morning all! |
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| 00:35.27 | me7zg3r | Top of the morning to ya! :) |
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| 00:37.07 | me7zg3r | idustyb can you advise me? |
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| 01:02.50 | awal1 | if I open an xterminal emulator, say xterm, and I open a root session, if the termial in question crashes, for any reason, the root session is/also 'exited'(terminated), right? |
| 01:03.16 | me7zg3r | yeah, I think so |
| 01:03.22 | me7zg3r | except daemonized processes |
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| 01:08.19 | awal1 | me7zg3r, that is what I think too; sounds logical, but I still have a small doubt :P |
| 01:08.35 | me7zg3r | is it a doubt or something actually detected? |
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| 01:10.02 | petemc | pstree is usefule |
| 01:10.13 | petemc | or ps -xawf |
| 01:11.03 | me7zg3r | can someone advise me? |
| 01:11.21 | petemc | on what? |
| 01:11.46 | me7zg3r | i'm looking to install a solus/arch/fedora application on stretch, how should I act? |
| 01:11.51 | me7zg3r | reading on backports didn't help me |
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| 01:12.39 | petemc | what is the application? |
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| 01:12.47 | me7zg3r | linux-steam-integration |
| 01:13.20 | agio | awal1: yeaah when a "parrent" process is taken down - the child gets killed too |
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| 01:14.41 | agio | you can sometimes get around it by disowning the child from the parent and it becomes an "orphanned" process and get adopted by usually somthing like PID 1 |
| 01:15.23 | petemc | was about to point out that some process get reparented to init |
| 01:15.27 | agio | then you can kill the parent (e.g. terminal emulator) and the child will live |
| 01:15.40 | me7zg3r | daemonization is the same thing right? |
| 01:15.44 | me7zg3r | except without reparenting |
| 01:16.02 | me7zg3r | well technically it's reparented anyway |
| 01:16.26 | agio | well you need to make sure the file descriptors are handled as well |
| 01:17.27 | agio | me7zg3r: but yeah I would think of it as an unstable-risky form of daemonisation |
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| 01:24.04 | me7zg3r | I still need help :D |
| 01:24.07 | agio | in ubuntu there are a couple of packages "ubuntu-restricted-extras/addons" which provide resources allowing for video watching (as well as some other things) how does someone achieve the same ability on debian , knowing these packages are non-free? |
| 01:24.52 | me7zg3r | you add non-free to the repositories, google it up for exact instructions on modifying sources.list |
| 01:25.56 | agio | I guess thats just `sudo add-apt-repository non-free" right? |
| 01:26.11 | me7zg3r | I'm not a debian expert to confirm anything, sorry |
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| 01:27.39 | petemc | !non-free |
| 01:27.39 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 01:27.53 | me7zg3r | thank you, pete |
| 01:28.01 | me7zg3r | can you help me fixing a bug? |
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| 01:28.21 | petemc | probably not, but ask away |
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| 01:28.47 | themill | that URL looks pretty out of date |
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| 01:29.20 | me7zg3r | IRC is out-of-date too, tbh |
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| 01:30.03 | themill | The information you're getting via irc did not originate 10 years ago |
| 01:30.23 | me7zg3r | :D that's correct |
| 01:30.54 | bug | me7zg3r, debian supports steam without foreign packages |
| 01:31.16 | me7zg3r | well yeah, I get it running, yet my console is spammed with dbus errors |
| 01:31.16 | Tenkawa | ask away |
| 01:31.21 | Tenkawa | we |
| 01:31.28 | Tenkawa | we'll try what we can |
| 01:31.43 | me7zg3r | arguments to dbus_connection_unref() were incorrect, assertion "connection->generation == _dbus_current_generation" failed in file ../../../dbus/dbus-connection.c line 2824. |
| 01:31.52 | me7zg3r | arguments to dbus_connection_ref() were incorrect, assertion "connection->generation == _dbus_current_generation" failed in file ../../../dbus/dbus-connection.c line 2688. |
| 01:31.57 | me7zg3r | those two guys |
| 01:32.00 | petemc | themill: do you know updated url? |
| 01:32.14 | me7zg3r | gimme a sec ill grab it |
| 01:32.15 | themill | petemc: can't find one so I've removed it from the factoid |
| 01:32.28 | petemc | ok cheers |
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| 01:33.41 | me7zg3r | https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/firmware-nonfree here it is I guess |
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| 01:36.56 | me7zg3r | would anyone halp :D |
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| 01:40.07 | dvs | me7zg3r, we wouldn't recommend getting packages from other sources. |
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| 01:41.30 | bug | i dunno... i just started steam from a terminal and didn't get any error or warning messages at all. |
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| 01:43.04 | me7zg3r | can u congratulate me, please? |
| 01:43.16 | me7zg3r | I've got steam running without _any_ errors! |
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| 01:43.22 | chzz | me7zg3r: gratz |
| 01:43.26 | me7zg3r | maybe I should post a guide of some sort? |
| 01:43.33 | awal1 | thanks guys, I learned a bit more today |
| 01:43.46 | me7zg3r | u're welcome and thank you :D |
| 01:44.52 | awal1 | I got distracted bcoz of wifi disconnections after asking |
| 01:46.08 | awal1 | agio " disowning the child from the parent"? |
| 01:47.30 | awal1 | ok, got it |
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| 01:48.56 | me7zg3r | this feels pure magic |
| 01:49.04 | me7zg3r | 10 Mbps installing CS:GO on linux xD |
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| 01:49.36 | agio | me7zg3r: the package "firmware-linux-nonfree" is not in the link you posted, anyone know why? list is incomplete? |
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| 01:50.22 | me7zg3r | welp, firmware-linux-nonfree shouldn't really be a package |
| 01:50.27 | me7zg3r | that sounds like a directory |
| 01:50.37 | dvs | it's a package |
| 01:51.55 | awal1 | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:51.56 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1 |
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| 02:11.30 | awal1 | ps xao pid,ppid,comm |
| 02:11.33 | agio | when the command `apt-get update' is run, does apt connect to its sources - download all the releases - or InRelease files, , check the hashes of the "Packages" files within the In/Release - and if its own corresponding "Package" doesn't have the same hash -apt knows its local "Package" for that component is stale and will then download that Packages index? otherwise it does nothing? do I have that right? |
| 02:11.49 | awal1 | excuses. confusing tabs :P |
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| 02:21.43 | awal1 | petemc, right, if i do "shopt -s huponexit" INIT (pid 1 / systemd) become the parent of child which parent has been killed |
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| 03:09.18 | ang310 | hey there, I screwed my video drivers and now on login I get a frozen screen....how can I revert back to nouveau as in first installation? |
| 03:09.54 | annadane | update-alternatives --config glx |
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| 05:26.34 | Tetralet_ | Hi, I can't install libsystemd0:i386 on a clean installed Debian Stretch system. |
| 05:26.54 | Tetralet_ | And it's the apt log: https://paste.debian.net/1018228/ |
| 05:27.02 | Tetralet_ | And idea? |
| 05:27.39 | annadane | uhhhhhhhh |
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| 05:28.52 | annadane | how did you install it? you first of all should already have 4.9.0.6 kernel |
| 05:30.00 | towo^work | the big question would be, why installing libsystemd0:i386 in an amd64 system? |
| 05:30.13 | annadane | also that |
| 05:30.20 | annadane | probably the better question of the two |
| 05:30.29 | annadane | probably because it's 1 in the morning |
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| 05:34.25 | Tetralet_ | annadane: I installed it from cdrom. I only installed apt-transport-https and ssh after installation. |
| 05:34.49 | annadane | yeah, please ignore me and my stupidity. :( |
| 05:34.58 | Tetralet_ | annadane: and, I want to install wine32 package |
| 05:35.33 | annadane | did you follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/Wine? you'd need to enable the architecture first |
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| 05:36.12 | towo^work | there is no wine32 package in stretch |
| 05:36.48 | Tetralet_ | apt-cache policy wine32: 990 http://opensource.nchc.org.tw/debian stretch/main i386 Packages |
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| 05:37.23 | towo^work | ah multiarch |
| 05:37.53 | Tetralet_ | annadane: install libc6:i386 manually is OK. |
| 05:38.02 | Tetralet_ | towo^work: install libc6:i386 manually is OK. |
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| 07:06.05 | SanchoPensa | good morniung, guys! |
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| 07:06.33 | SanchoPensa | can you please help me find out, why I have to recreate my locate db through updatedb each time, I restart my PC? |
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| 07:14.27 | alkisg | SanchoPensa: and what happens if you don't do that, do you see some error message? |
| 07:14.45 | spacemn | SanchoPensa: I think it's to avoid stale information, FWIK the updatedb is not updated when new files are added or when files are deleted, refreshing it when your PC boots is a compromise |
| 07:15.04 | SanchoPensa | alkisg: nope it just doesnt find anything |
| 07:15.40 | SanchoPensa | spacemn: that would be standard behavior. but as said, ALL OF IT is just GONE. |
| 07:15.43 | alkisg | SanchoPensa: so if you run `locate adduser.conf`, it doesn't say that it found it in /etc/adduser.conf, it says nothing was found? |
| 07:15.53 | SanchoPensa | aye, sir! |
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| 07:16.38 | alkisg | SanchoPensa: do you have some weird setup that erases /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db on boot? |
| 07:16.39 | spacemn | SanchoPensa: ah OK, stopped using long time ago |
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| 07:17.26 | alkisg | SanchoPensa: check the date/size of that file, (a) after you run sudo updatedb, and (b) after boot; what do you see in each case? |
| 07:17.28 | SanchoPensa | alkisg: nope? why would I do that? |
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| 07:18.06 | alkisg | And also check that you don't have severe date/time issues, e.g. bad cmos battery and the pc booting to 1970 before synching time |
| 07:18.24 | SanchoPensa | phew... i'd have to DO that in order to see it, wich is kind of inconvenient, as I am actually in the middle of authoring an important doc. |
| 07:18.42 | SanchoPensa | alkisg: i do not? |
| 07:18.49 | SanchoPensa | bios battery is NEW. |
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| 07:19.15 | SanchoPensa | and debian boots normally, wchioch it doesnt, wehn timestamps are messed up in relation to system time |
| 07:20.45 | alkisg | SanchoPensa: ok, then troubleshoot boot issues when you're able to reboot. Leave it for later! :) |
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| 07:22.18 | SanchoPensa | alkisg: i will, thanks for your assistance, gentlemen! |
| 07:22.28 | alkisg | np |
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| 07:24.19 | spacemn | SanchoPensa: I would dare to say it's deleted at every restart to avoid filling up your /var dir, looking at the first page of goggle results with /var/lib/mlocate |
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| 07:25.28 | SanchoPensa | well, i Do as a mater of act have A LOT of harddisks wit A LOT of files, and constructing updatedb usually takes about 5-7 Minutes... |
| 07:29.35 | alkisg | spacemn: I don't see any code that deletes mlocate.db, where did you see that? |
| 07:29.49 | alkisg | The daily cron task updates the db, it doesn't ever delete it... |
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| 07:36.04 | spacemn | SanchoPensa: it was a guess looking at google results page, as I've said above I stopped using locate/mlocate/dlocate long time ago |
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| 07:41.44 | sonnie | hi , I'm trying to install 9.0/sparc64 on a Fujitsu machine. When booting in expert mode, it hangs with lots of 'can't create /var/run/console-device: nonexistent directory' |
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| 07:42.27 | sonnie | btw, i'm connecting XSCF with ssh, not serial console. |
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| 07:50.24 | spacemn | I think the unattended-upgrades package is definitely broken on laptop/netbook, I'm only interested on updating the package list, but when on battery (ConditionACPower=true) it skips it and every time the timesyncd is invoked a random number of seconds from 0 to 12 hours is added to its timer, so in my experience (IIRC) it has never updated the package list after installing Stretch... ;__; |
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| 07:56.19 | eugenmayer | for unattended-upgrades, is Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins deprecated? its no longer documented and now longer part of the default config - any hints on that ( stretch ) |
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| 07:59.29 | petn-randall | eugenmayer: If it's been deprecated, it should be documented in the NEWS file, or at the changelog. |
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| 08:03.01 | makalu | for a while now apt update && apt upgrade doesn't update anything. I'm using debian unstable. It doesn't make sense that there's no updates for a week or more. Have I messed something up on my setup :)? |
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| 08:03.51 | spacemn | makalu: maybe it's the mirror you are using |
| 08:04.00 | at0m | dpkg: tell malaku about sid |
| 08:04.21 | at0m | dpkg: tell malaku about testing |
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| 08:07.17 | makalu | at0m, it's makalu like the mountain :D |
| 08:07.58 | at0m | makalu: it's sid like ircs://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next :D |
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| 08:48.10 | tobias_ | hey i get this error starting torbrowser-launcher first time (installed via backports debian stretch) https://paste.debian.net/1018248/ |
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| 08:54.04 | Haohmaru | IBoT777 looks like connection broke, so did you retry? |
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| 08:55.52 | IBoT777 | yes and i dont have any problem with the internet connection on other things |
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| 09:38.26 | petererer | Hmm, updated to stretch the other day. gitg keeps crashing :( |
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| 09:53.26 | glambert | Hi, I'm running Debian 9 in a docker container and trying to get the monit service to start when the docker container starts, in /etc/default/monit I have "START=yes" and I've tried "update-rc.d monit enable" to no joy, hoping someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong :-) |
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| 09:56.36 | petn-randall | glambert: Docker by default doesn't start any services. That's the whole idea behind docker. |
| 09:57.20 | petn-randall | glambert: If you want to run a container service you have to explicitely pass it as command line parameter. The usual procedure in docker is to directly run the daemon in foreground mode, letting it log to stdout. |
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| 09:58.56 | glambert | petn-randall: I see, so for example my web node has nginx & php-fpm running on it, what would be the conventional way to get them running when the container starts? |
| 09:59.18 | petn-randall | glambert: You wouldn't use docker for that. |
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| 09:59.47 | petn-randall | glambert: Docker shines when you want to run _one_ service in one container. Not a full lemp stack. |
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| 10:00.22 | glambert | I see, ok thanks, I'll rework it to split the two out |
| 10:00.36 | petn-randall | glambert: You could probably twist docker to do that, but then you'd have to check the upstream documentation how to do that. |
| 10:00.48 | glambert | makes sense |
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| 10:03.21 | AlwaysHigh | why is this not working "rm openvpn/{cards.ovpn, xft.ovpn}" |
| 10:03.45 | FinalX | remove the space before xft |
| 10:04.04 | AlwaysHigh | that simple heh ya |
| 10:04.05 | AlwaysHigh | ty |
| 10:05.07 | FinalX | AlwaysHigh: np :) with the space there, it became: rm openvpn/cards.ovpn openvpn/ xft.ovpn |
| 10:05.25 | FinalX | instead of what you probably intended it to be: rm openvpn/cards.ovpn openvpn/xft.ovpn |
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| 10:05.56 | AlwaysHigh | yeah thanks |
| 10:06.05 | AlwaysHigh | so close but so far |
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| 10:07.48 | spacemn | once I've put a space after a * with an rm command in my home dir ;__; that time I think I've learned at least a couple things ^__^; |
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| 10:24.50 | antoine__ | Hello, I am wondering how to get rid of the LOScoin notification. It seems like I can't get rid of it. Did I miss anything? |
| 10:25.01 | du5tball | how in the world do i open a bug on debian without actually having a debian system? |
| 10:25.17 | antoine__ | oops wrong channel... |
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| 10:31.48 | BCMM | du5tball: email. but also, why do you want to? |
| 10:31.58 | BCMM | i mean, if you don't have a debian system, how do you have a debian bug? |
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| 10:33.21 | du5tball | BCMM: i'm using pulp to mirror repos, which should include debian / ubuntu. pulp uses python-debian as it's decoder, and it only tries to decode UTF-8 encoded packages. however, aspell-is for example is encoded with ISO-8859, and python-debian completely chokes on that |
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| 10:36.01 | BCMM | du5tball: how is this not a bug in pulp? |
| 10:36.27 | du5tball | because pulp is using https://salsa.debian.org/python-debian-team/python-debian as it's backend. and i'm rather sure that one is developed by debian |
| 10:36.38 | du5tball | also: it is a bug in pulp. https://pulp.plan.io/issues/3370 |
| 10:37.04 | BCMM | du5tball: so that's a copy of python-debian distributed with pulp, not one already existing on your system, right? |
| 10:37.15 | du5tball | yup |
| 10:37.26 | du5tball | or... maybe, let me check that |
| 10:37.58 | BCMM | du5tball: how old is this copy of aspell-is? |
| 10:38.13 | BCMM | and what's encoding differently? the CONTROL file? |
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| 10:38.50 | BCMM | don't know why i capitalised that, sorry |
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| 10:39.23 | du5tball | python-debian comes from epel on redhat systems. as for the age of aspell-is: dunno, when was it last updated from debian? we're pulling from the official mirrors. however, i think i've taken apart the package at some point and saw that it was last built in 2004 |
| 10:39.35 | Guest53689 | are man pages different for different architectures? Or are they all the same pages? |
| 10:40.01 | BCMM | Guest53689: that probably depends on the individual packages the man pages come from. but typically, they'd be the same |
| 10:40.10 | du5tball | apparently the filenames are encoded differently, but i'm not sure if other things are broken as well. i know there are also packages in ubuntu which are iso-8859 encoded though. |
| 10:40.22 | BCMM | du5tball: oh right, the filenames inside the package? |
| 10:40.34 | du5tball | as far as i know, yes |
| 10:40.36 | BCMM | ^inside the archive |
| 10:41.27 | Guest53689 | BCMM: thanks. Also, man pages are supposed to be the same across distros, right (eg. debian/ubuntu/arch)? |
| 10:41.36 | BCMM | du5tball: i can't find a non-ascii filename in there... |
| 10:41.55 | du5tball | i assume repackaging with utf would solve the problem as well, but... i'm pretty sure there'll be more packages that python-debian will choke on, so i assume the better fix is to fallback to 8859 in case utf8 decoding file |
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| 10:42.21 | BCMM | there don't seem to be any filenames using icelandic words, just files called is or icelandic |
| 10:42.27 | du5tball | Guest53689: not necessarily. if they all have the same version, yes, but arch packages far newer stuff (aka "the latest packages"), which may have new features, or features removed |
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| 10:43.12 | BCMM | Guest53689: that depends |
| 10:43.25 | du5tball | BCMM: the issue isn't weird encoding. the issue is that it's 8859 encoded, which ... half as wide as utf-8? not sure exactly. however, the bugreport on pulp.plan.io has a bit more info (including the \xed part that the decoder chokes on) |
| 10:43.41 | BCMM | Guest53689: sometimes there's an upstream manpage included with a project - you'd expect that project to have the same manpage on any distro |
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| 10:44.02 | BCMM | Guest53689: occasionally, there's inadequate docs upstream, and distros have written their own man pages, which may differ |
| 10:44.09 | du5tball | BCMM: ah. the package was http://ubuntu-master.mirror.tudos.de/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/aspell-is/aspell-is_0.51-0-4_all.deb so i think it's a different package in debian |
| 10:44.45 | Guest53689 | thanks du5tball BCMM |
| 10:45.05 | BCMM | du5tball: 1. if ubuntu is using obsolete character encodings, that seems like ubuntu's problem. 2. i can't see any non-ascii filenames there either |
| 10:45.21 | BCMM | Guest53689: also, some programs have multiple implementations out there |
| 10:46.51 | BCMM | Guest53689: so `man nc` will depend on whether you're using the BSD version of the traditional version |
| 10:47.12 | BCMM | Guest53689: both are available in debian, no doubt which is the default varies between distros |
| 10:47.22 | BCMM | so sometimes, docs are different because the commands themselves are different |
| 10:47.54 | du5tball | oh this is why i said last built in 2004: if you extract the packages, those are the file-timestamps. by the way, which tar implementation is .deb packaged with? |
| 10:48.58 | du5tball | also, the decoder says "/usr/lib/aspell/\355slenska.alias". that doesn't look like weird characters to you? |
| 10:49.45 | BCMM | du5tball: huh, i'm not seeing that. i wonder if that's a bug in Ark |
| 10:50.03 | BCMM | should probably actually save and examine on commandline instead of just using whatever pops up when i click it in firefox huh |
| 10:50.10 | du5tball | when extracting the deb-file, i don't see that either. instead: "x ./usr/lib/aspell/lenska.alias: Can't create 'usr/lib/aspell/lenska.alias'" |
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| 10:51.10 | BCMM | du5tball: haha yeah, ark was silently dropping that filename, i see it in tar -t |
| 10:51.52 | BCMM | du5tball: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/aspell-is package version changed between jessie and stretch |
| 10:51.57 | du5tball | this may be due to me being on a mac and extracting the package itself, but in "data/usr/lib/aspell/is.rws" is another symlink, and that one works (besides pointing to somewhere non-existing. which is do be expected in this setting) |
| 10:52.03 | BCMM | from 0.51-0-4 to 0.51-0-utf8-0.2 |
| 10:52.13 | du5tball | okay let me look which one actually throws the debian sync off |
| 10:53.06 | BCMM | looks like that's the latest ubuntu version too |
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| 10:54.07 | du5tball | wait - wheezy is EOL, and jessie is oldstable, right? |
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| 11:02.59 | jelly | du5tball: yes, caveat: limited wheezy support by LTS team until May 2018 |
| 11:03.05 | jelly | !lts |
| 11:03.05 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:09.46 | chmd | Hi, I am having trouble using /etc/network/interfaces to get an ipv6 delegated prefix on debian stretch (at online.net) |
| 11:10.44 | chmd | I have a very simple config and I summarized everything on this serverfault question https://serverfault.com/questions/905758/networking-service-timeouts-every-second-restart |
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| 11:11.58 | chmd | Could anyone from here give me a hand? I have been struggling with this for months now, to the point I am wondering if there is a bug somewhere |
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| 11:14.18 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 11:14.21 | petn-randall | chmd: I don't think you can have multiple interface definitions for the same interface. If in doubt, run 'ifdown enp0s20 && ifup -v enp0s20' and observe the actual output. |
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| 11:18.03 | jelly | petn-randall: uh, you can have separate definition for ipv4 static and a definition for ipv6 static |
| 11:18.29 | jelly | make that "... inet static" and "... inet6 static" |
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| 11:19.25 | petn-randall | I don't really know, I switched to network-manager with ipv6. I just remember that you couldn't have a static and dhcp definition in the same file. |
| 11:19.49 | du5tball | petn-randall: you can split an interface |
| 11:20.44 | chmd | petn-randall: If I run ifdown enp0s20 && ifup -v enp0s20 I am afraid I will lose connectivity to the server |
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| 11:21.07 | petn-randall | chmd: Yes, that is the case. Do you have access via KVM or something? |
| 11:21.57 | chmd | no it is a bare metal box |
| 11:22.05 | JustASlacker | IPMI then |
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| 11:23.00 | chmd | but I thought that setting VERBOSE=1 in /etc/default/interfaces had exactly the same effect as running ifup -v |
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| 11:25.21 | chmd | I mean I always have access to the rescue mode If I put it in a situation where I cannot access it any longer, but I'd rather avoid that all together |
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| 11:26.55 | sefru | Hi everyone! :) Can I ask a question regarding mounting a hdd? |
| 11:27.21 | chmd | The weird thing is that it only fails every second restart |
| 11:27.51 | chmd | so I restart the networking service, everything comes back perfectly |
| 11:28.04 | chmd | I do it again, and it times out |
| 11:28.19 | chmd | I do it again, it restarts normally |
| 11:28.22 | chmd | and so on |
| 11:28.46 | petn-randall | sefru: As long as your system you're running is Debian, sure. |
| 11:28.59 | petn-randall | sefru: If not, we can point you to the right channel. |
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| 11:29.23 | JustASlacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.25 | JustASlacker | ^_^ |
| 11:29.50 | chmd | I have the feeling that dhclient is the one generating the problem |
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| 11:30.27 | chmd | I see that the dhcp stanza makes ifup run /sbin/dhclient -6 -pf /run/dhclient6.enp0s20.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient6.enp0s20.leases -I -P -N -df /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.enp0s20.leases enp0s20 |
| 11:31.03 | chmd | and immediately after RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
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| 11:31.57 | sefru | Ok. Yes, I'm running Debian. :) So, I have an ssd where I have Debian installed and it works fine. I also have a 1TB HDD attached to my computer. I have partitioned the HDD so that it has 1 partition that takes pretty much all the space in the HDD. I would like to mount the partition, but it seems that I can't do it in a meaningfull way. That is: |
| 11:33.18 | sefru | I can mount the partition using Dolphin, the file manager. But when I mount the partition through there, the partition is mounted as read-only, and I can't create any new files or folders on it. |
| 11:33.36 | sefru | Any ideas on how I could mount it with rw-acces? :) |
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| 11:34.17 | sefru | Also I'm using Debian 9, if that matters. :) |
| 11:34.19 | spacemn | sefru: you should add it to your /etc/fstab |
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| 11:34.53 | sefru | spacemn: Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 11:34.55 | sefru | :) |
| 11:35.09 | petn-randall | sefru: How did you format it? If you use ext4, you need to give your user ownership so you can write on it. |
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| 11:35.31 | petn-randall | sefru: You can add it /etc/fstab if it's a disk that is mounted internally and won't be unplugged any time soon. |
| 11:35.35 | petn-randall | *to |
| 11:36.20 | sefru | petn-randall: Yes, it's an internal HDD. :) I formated it with Gparted. |
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| 11:36.34 | petn-randall | sefru: What filesystem though? |
| 11:36.40 | sefru | And formated it as ext4. |
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| 11:37.14 | petn-randall | sefru: Then you need to change the ownership permissions. Log in as root and check the 'chown' command on how to do that. |
| 11:37.17 | BCMM | sefru: are you sure it's actually *mounted* read-only? or does your user just lack write permission to it? |
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| 11:37.59 | spacemn | I suspect he mounted the disk with dolphin as root user |
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| 11:38.41 | sefru | Thanks for the hints. BCMM, that's a good question. I'll try to play with the chown command and see what happens. |
| 11:38.55 | BCMM | the mount command can tell you that |
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| 11:42.14 | sefru | I changed the ownership of the partition to my user, and now I can write to it! :) |
| 11:42.23 | sefru | Thanks everyone for your help! =) |
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| 11:46.03 | petn-randall | sefru: You're welcome! |
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| 12:05.14 | tpanarch1st | hi, please forgive me asking here but proxmox is pretty dead. I'm trying to work out how to change my hosts file following these instructions https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Renaming_a_PVE_node - This is my current host file - https://pastebin.com/nS4P8CkQ - my thinking is to change 192.168.1.104 pve.lan pve pvelocalhost to 192.168.1.104 corinthian.lan corinthian pvelocalhost - the node name is taken from the hosts file and hostname |
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| 12:06.30 | jelly | tpanarch1st: we do not support derivative products here, sorry. Be patient or find another support venue for your OS. |
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| 12:06.48 | tpanarch1st | thanks ever so much jelly |
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| 12:06.59 | jelly | !proxmox |
| 12:06.59 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 12:07.31 | tpanarch1st | jelly: if you'd read my post in the first place, you'd see that i'd already explained that the Proxmox channel was pretty silent. |
| 12:07.48 | tpanarch1st | and, as you have correctly identified, it is based on Debian and this is a Debian host fi;e |
| 12:07.50 | tpanarch1st | file* |
| 12:07.51 | jelly | I did. That's why I said "be patient" |
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| 12:08.02 | tpanarch1st | not a proxmox host file |
| 12:08.03 | jelly | small channels are like that |
| 12:08.12 | tpanarch1st | sure :) |
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| 12:09.06 | tpanarch1st | so why would you not entertain a question on this channel relating to core debian stuff? |
| 12:09.54 | jelly | if it were Debian, we'd instruct you to ask the bot: /msg dpkg hostname, but it's not and there's no telling what other steps need to be taken, or whether the solution for Debian won't break your current OS |
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| 12:10.19 | tpanarch1st | yeah I have sympathy for that jelly but if we were to pretend that this had **nothing** to do with Proxmox |
| 12:10.25 | tpanarch1st | what would be the usual format here please :) |
| 12:10.26 | jelly | Those are some of technical reasons why we don't support derivatives. There are also social reasons. |
| 12:10.47 | tpanarch1st | i have debian vm's in any event so it's handy to know |
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| 12:11.25 | tpanarch1st | i'm on the brink of reinstalling it and taking 10 steps back to move 1 forward anyway so there'd be no harm done |
| 12:11.28 | jelly | tpanarch1st: another option is, if you can honesly replicate the issue on an actual debian installation, feel free to ask then |
| 12:12.00 | tpanarch1st | jelly: that's just deliberately awkward, it's aslo incredibly quiet, if you are to take that position, you put other people off answering a simple question. |
| 12:12.11 | jelly | yes, that's deliberate. |
| 12:12.14 | tpanarch1st | it's not the start of a million questions |
| 12:12.20 | jelly | it is. |
| 12:12.25 | tpanarch1st | i don't see how |
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| 12:12.44 | tpanarch1st | i just hoped to give it my best shot in changing hosts file over and saving a fair bit of time |
| 12:12.55 | jelly | now, unless you have an issue with actual debian, please keep quiet for the time being. Not going to debate further. |
| 12:13.11 | tpanarch1st | jelly - do you get off on being a jobs-worth? |
| 12:13.13 | Haohmaru | isn't ubuntu also based on debian? oh no, a herd of ubuntuers are rushing in /o\ |
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| 12:13.37 | tpanarch1st | precisely Haohmaru |
| 12:14.06 | Haohmaru | i think you didn't catch my joke ;P~ |
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| 12:16.40 | agio | hi all, Im downloading the non-free iso from here: |
| 12:16.42 | agio | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 12:17.30 | agio | its 2.5GB anyone know why its so big? does it come with alot of user software pre-installed? |
| 12:18.07 | jelly | agio: it's a live image, so yes it comes with preinstalled bits |
| 12:18.28 | agio | or a local apt repo hosted on the cd-rom? |
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| 12:18.49 | jelly | no, live images usually have software ready to run |
| 12:19.01 | jelly | debian has separate live and installer images. |
| 12:19.18 | agio | jelly: but if I use the installer only - without the live, I wont get all those extras will I? |
| 12:19.21 | jelly | agio: if what you want is installing the OS, best use the installer |
| 12:20.09 | agio | then I need to get the non-free firmware separate and put in a special directory to get wifi working - is that right? |
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| 12:20.39 | jelly | agio: no. There are installer images with firmware. https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 12:21.40 | jelly | (three dirs up, one door to the left) |
| 12:21.59 | debx | hi --need opinions - what is most reliable method for a user that switches wpa/wpa2 wifi connections alot via command line scripts....wpa_supplicant , network-manager, Wicd , ifup ifdown , or i never heard of connman |
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| 12:22.40 | spacemn | I was thinking to build a Ryzen PC, how does Stretch runs on it? Or better, do I need a recent kernel version like what is available on backports.d.o or a default install will work? |
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| 12:23.42 | debx | ip seems to mess things up when used as a network mgr |
| 12:24.41 | towo^work | spacemn, you would need at least the backports kernel |
| 12:25.34 | debx | and honestly default deb 9 network-manager gets too tempermental and switches my mac addi so often i must restart all network services and ip and ifconfig ect ....multiple times to get connectivity back |
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| 12:26.26 | spacemn | towo^work: I suspected that but I can live with it |
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| 12:28.57 | spacemn | towo^work: but I have some doubts cause I can still read reports of random lockups/hangs on idle |
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| 12:30.00 | towo^work | spacemn, if backports kernel is not enaught, you can build a newer kernel yourself |
| 12:30.11 | towo^work | i don't see the real problem |
| 12:33.45 | agio | jelly: thanks trying to navigate downloads is complicated - there are so many options! |
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| 12:36.39 | Vonor | hi, is there something like "kernel of the day" to get the latest kernel? |
| 12:36.55 | spacemn | towo^work: I would like to avoid unstable systems, seems like it's a CPU problem that's triggered even on recent kernels |
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| 12:38.17 | spacemn | Vonor: you probably don't want to run the latest kernel, even if it's called stable |
| 12:38.28 | spacemn | ^__^; |
| 12:38.53 | tw | depends on the cpu problem. for example, certain ryzen issues are only fixed by running a more recent kernel. |
| 12:39.39 | Vonor | spacemn, on a prod system I agree. in a test environment I do indeed want to run the latest version :) |
| 12:40.59 | jelly | Vonor: then set up the test environment to git clone whatever tree you want and "make deb-pkg" on it |
| 12:41.13 | abrotman | that's almost FLW ... |
| 12:41.26 | spacemn | tw: I haven't yet finished to read this page (I'm at the half https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683 ) but seems people are still affected |
| 12:42.47 | Vonor | abrotman, "famous last word" or "fishing league worldwide"? :) |
| 12:43.04 | abrotman | I mean, if you had to guess ... |
| 12:43.07 | abrotman | !fish |
| 12:43.07 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
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| 12:43.41 | Vonor | jelly, that's an option too. was just wondering if there was a repo with precompiled daily snapshots |
| 12:45.03 | spacemn | Vonor: another thing I would avoid is installing packages from random repositories ^__^; |
| 12:45.07 | jelly | Vonor: not that I know of |
| 12:45.18 | spacemn | is very fun at parties |
| 12:45.19 | abrotman | feels like if you're going to use daily tarballs, you should be doing your own work .. |
| 12:45.21 | jelly | you could make one! |
| 12:45.49 | jelly | clone the repo from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel daily and make a build farm for desired architectures |
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| 12:47.17 | tw | it'd be like a 10 line jenkinsfile <.< |
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| 14:01.41 | permalink_ | hello . i have a problem with some idiots flooding me |
| 14:01.54 | permalink_ | i think they DoS me |
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| 14:02.55 | tw | If it's actual packet flooding, you can't fix it with the OS. Stop engaging in behavior that invites DoS attacks. |
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| 14:03.13 | greycat | You mean behavior like "having a web site"? |
| 14:03.17 | jelly | permalink_: what kind of traffic are you experiencing? |
| 14:03.24 | jelly | or "having an sshd" |
| 14:03.53 | arkoldthos | get more bandwidth than them, that usually helps :p |
| 14:03.53 | tw | greycat: in my experience it's more likely that they run a minecraft server or something like that. |
| 14:04.01 | permalink_ | no , they flood me to steal my nnickname on IRC lol |
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| 14:04.18 | darxmurf | that's why I left my last job. I was sysadmin in a big web hosting company. You spend half of your time fighting against idiots |
| 14:04.25 | permalink_ | i use HexChat btw if this is relevant |
| 14:04.29 | jelly | permalink_: private messages? |
| 14:04.49 | jelly | darxmurf: and half the idiots are working at the very same company |
| 14:05.11 | Haohmaru | hahaah |
| 14:05.18 | permalink_ | well , an idiot PM me and asked me if i want to keep my nick , i said i don't care too much about it and the next second i was disconnected and the nick weas stolen |
| 14:05.20 | darxmurf | ^^ |
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| 14:05.37 | abrotman | permalink_: and this is related to Debian how? |
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| 14:06.26 | permalink_ | abrotman it is related in the way that it might be a setting somewhere which would help me avoid this |
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| 14:06.33 | jelly | permalink_: ask the staff in #freenode channel how to proceed. Only people with @op flag are apps, be careful about trusting anyone else. |
| 14:06.38 | permalink_ | for example i tried puttin this in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 14:06.39 | permalink_ | abrotman |
| 14:06.45 | permalink_ | https://pastebin.com/nRvvMzjH |
| 14:07.02 | abrotman | permalink_: Not possible, and this channel won't be much help with network abuse |
| 14:07.03 | jelly | are staff* |
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| 14:09.13 | greycat | how in the hell does he think /etc/sysctl.conf is related to someone hacking his IRC account... |
| 14:09.30 | abrotman | I think he's trying to stop the network traffic using sysctl settinsg |
| 14:09.33 | abrotman | settings |
| 14:09.46 | greycat | What network traffic? He was asked, and never said anything. |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | His "DoS" ... |
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| 14:12.59 | permalink__ | abrotman exacty , that's what i'm trying |
| 14:13.34 | permalink__ | is fail2ban useful in this case |
| 14:13.38 | permalink__ | ? |
| 14:13.59 | greycat | If there actually *IS* incoming network traffic, which he refuses to confirm or detail, then by the time it has reached his computer, it is too late, as it has already reached his computer. Nothing he does on his computer will stop the traffic from reaching his computer. |
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| 14:16.30 | waydot | geez, these vanity attacks ... |
| 14:16.53 | waydot | cool nick |
| 14:16.55 | waydot | fast car |
| 14:17.00 | waydot | pretty girlfriend |
| 14:17.01 | abrotman | permalink__: you need to talk to your ISP if you believe they're actually trying to knock you offline .. or protect your nick, talk to #freenode |
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| 14:17.13 | waydot | that's the meaning of life for you ... |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | waydot: okay, move on |
| 14:17.30 | jelly | permalink__: you have not provided enough info, but it seems more like account takeover based on guessing NickServ password rather than any kind of DoS toward your own machine. |
| 14:17.58 | abrotman | at any rate, #debian is not the correct venue |
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| 14:18.38 | jelly | it might not be, but it's hard to say whether #freenode or #hexchat or which other place would be better |
| 14:20.06 | jelly | and IMHO telling people to go elsewhere without pointing them in the right (or at least a sensible) direction is rude |
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| 14:21.00 | jelly | permalink, permalink_, permalink__: your client getting reconnected and changing IPs all the time is not helping, either |
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| 14:21.49 | permalink__ | jelly i'm not noing anything , the moron who wants to annoy me is doing this |
| 14:21.57 | greycat | DOING WHAT?! |
| 14:22.58 | greycat | permalink [~permalink@188.25.187.215] permalink__ [~permalink@82.78.233.6] |
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| 14:23.05 | greycat | these IPs are not even remotely close |
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| 14:23.33 | jelly | permalink__, permalink: capture the traffic with tcpdump and show it someplace |
| 14:23.45 | permalink | i'm looking at the network traffic and i don't see any anomalies |
| 14:24.00 | waydot | and yet they belong to the same ISP :) |
| 14:24.05 | greycat | At this point, permalink* looks like the botnet operator to me. |
| 14:24.12 | waydot | address space aggregation |
| 14:24.24 | jelly | permalink: are you using a VPN solution or a mobile or wifi connection? |
| 14:24.26 | waydot | i mean fragmentation ... |
| 14:24.31 | permalink | nope |
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| 14:27.29 | permalink_ | this last time it disconnected me i saw a spike in network activity |
| 14:27.29 | permalink_ | https://imgur.com/a/95uqT |
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| 14:27.41 | tw | regardless, nick is registered, and if it's not reg'd to you, you're SOL. |
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| 14:28.12 | permalink_ | but i have 1gbps connection and the spike is only about 9mbps |
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| 14:28.29 | waydot | jelly: IPs belong to netname: RO-RESIDENTIAL |
| 14:28.37 | greycat | I'm about to /ignore permalink*. This is beyond annoying. |
| 14:29.16 | waydot | greycat: did you consider ignoring joins, parts, quits? :) |
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| 14:29.39 | greycat | I don't mean the parts and joins and quits. I mean his fucking continued off-topic ranting and drivel and obvious botnet abuse. |
| 14:30.11 | greycat | "I am a poor defenseless victim, ignore the fact that I keep joining from random hosts and IPs..." |
| 14:30.17 | jelly | greycat: have you considered that maybe someone is really kicking them off the internet and making them reconnect all the time |
| 14:30.29 | waydot | continued? man you have a short fuse |
| 14:30.41 | jelly | tail -n 2000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/freenode-\#debian.log |grep permalink |grep 'has joined'|awk -F'[ @)]+' '{print $6}'|xargs -n1 whois |grep ^netname |
| 14:30.46 | greycat | No. Because he is obviously abusing #debian's hospitality even though he has been directed to #freenode repeatedly. |
| 14:30.50 | waydot | he's been here for what. .. 30 minutes? :) |
| 14:30.50 | jelly | ^ really the same netname |
| 14:31.08 | jelly | greycat: he'd have the same problem talking to anyone in any channel. |
| 14:32.10 | waydot | the IPs are from the same ISP |
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| 14:32.54 | jelly | permalink_, permalink: there's very little we can do, contact your provider and they need to investigate HOW they're kicking you off internet |
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| 14:36.51 | permalink | jelly thanks for suppornt man |
| 14:37.12 | permalink | i will study more this issue |
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| 15:21.32 | thms | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:21.41 | thms | !upgrade |
| 15:21.41 | dpkg | Upgrades keep your box from getting r00ted and reboots let you run new kernels. Stop obsessing about uptime already. It's not 1996. Refresh the lists of available packages "apt update", and then an "apt upgrade". Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <jessie->stretch>. |
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| 15:22.15 | greycat | dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:22.15 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
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| 15:22.46 | bhermon | OK, y |
| 15:23.11 | bhermon | ok, y'all have been great at helping me out with my newbie queries, so here comes another... |
| 15:23.59 | bhermon | What need be done to access dropbox under this raspberry pi stretch system i'm running? Any clues appreciated... |
| 15:24.33 | petn-randall | !raspbian |
| 15:24.33 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 15:24.46 | petn-randall | bhermon: Try asking in the appropriate channel. ^^^ |
| 15:24.54 | jelly | thms: and in less than two months, unless extended LTS happens, /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
| 15:25.33 | bhermon | OK, thanks. |
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| 15:26.09 | jelly | wonder how many people run actual armhf debian on their rpi3 now that the chip is good enough |
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| 15:31.06 | annadane | okay, is the general solution to access denied in virt-manager to add myself to libvirt libvirt-qemu and kvm? |
| 15:31.14 | annadane | i guess i should post the specific messages |
| 15:31.35 | annadane | it's kind of silly how it doesn't just run given the root pw |
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| 15:34.13 | leftist | what is the current version of debian that support fusion and mate?? |
| 15:34.44 | annadane | well, the MATE desktop environment is in stable... |
| 15:34.57 | annadane | assuming that's what is meant |
| 15:35.04 | jelly | annadane: that falls under "don't run stuff as root" doesn't it |
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| 15:35.20 | leftist | annadane i was just at the website and i havent used debian in a lot of years and i could not determine what is current? |
| 15:35.31 | tw | jelly: the global autostart stuff is root. |
| 15:35.35 | tw | afaik, that can't be changed. |
| 15:36.19 | leftist | is wheezy current? |
| 15:36.30 | tw | No, 2 versions old. |
| 15:36.32 | greycat | wheezy is two releases BEHIND current stable |
| 15:36.41 | greycat | barely still in LTS suppose |
| 15:36.42 | leftist | so stretch is the latest?? |
| 15:36.44 | greycat | support* |
| 15:36.51 | tw | leftist: yes, stretch is current stable. |
| 15:36.56 | leftist | great thanks |
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| 15:37.14 | annadane | jelly, it prompts the password |
| 15:38.06 | annadane | i guess the thing to do is add myself to the typical virtual machine groups |
| 15:38.32 | annadane | but afaik it's safe to do this anyway, giving a password at the prompt |
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| 15:40.11 | annadane | https://imgur.com/a/oJRjf is the window that appears on startup |
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| 15:40.53 | annadane | well okay, let me first of all just add myself to the relevant groups |
| 15:41.03 | LunaLovegood | Some GTK apps (like Evince) are annoying and make the titlebar disappear and I have to go into the window manager's context menu to force it back each time. Is there a way to disable this behaviour? |
| 15:41.13 | tw | And once you enter the root password you still get permission denied? |
| 15:41.31 | annadane | yeah, let me just go through this again and give you more specific information |
| 15:41.51 | annadane | if entering the password for virt-manager is insecure please let me know, i wasn't aware there was anything wrong with that |
| 15:42.41 | tw | I suspect that particular dialog is not virt-manager, but rather it is elevating to run some dbus command. |
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| 15:43.13 | annadane | i don't *run virt-manager as root* |
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| 15:46.04 | jelly | ah |
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| 15:46.38 | annadane | https://imgur.com/a/lmDTM is what i get if i essentially go through the prompts to set up the vm as usual, and then if i go to customize before install and select copy host cpu configuration i get https://imgur.com/a/cweVC |
| 15:47.09 | annadane | so i guess i have to first of all add myself to the kvm group |
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| 15:49.54 | annadane | okay, so that gives the same error, let me try libvirt and libvirt-qemu as well |
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| 15:51.12 | annadane | same message |
| 15:51.26 | annadane | well, let's not be an idiot and just search the internet |
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| 15:52.07 | tw | I suspect you need to write some polkit permissions for libvirt. |
| 15:52.19 | tw | like this: https://libvirt.org/aclpolkit.html |
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| 15:55.47 | annadane | "As noted earlier, permissions which correspond to read-only operations in libvirt will be allowed to all users by default; everything else is denied by default" hrm |
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| 15:56.35 | annadane | well, this all looks complicated, i'll look at it later |
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| 15:57.02 | annadane | i suspect what i have is actually a very common issue |
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| 15:59.32 | OtakuSen1ai | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 15:59.32 | OtakuSen1ai | E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 15:59.40 | OtakuSen1ai | how do i unlock this |
| 16:00.01 | annadane | OtakuSen1ai, what did you do to get that message? |
| 16:00.11 | OtakuSen1ai | apt-get update' |
| 16:00.12 | Haohmaru | OtakuSen1ai do you happen to have Synaptic opened already? |
| 16:00.15 | OtakuSen1ai | apt-get update* |
| 16:00.20 | greycat | stop the packagekit service if it's running. Or disable it. Or purge it. |
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| 16:00.32 | OtakuSen1ai | no |
| 16:00.41 | jelly | OtakuSen1ai: are you running the command as root? |
| 16:00.49 | OtakuSen1ai | greycat: packagekit |
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| 16:00.52 | OtakuSen1ai | ? |
| 16:00.55 | OtakuSen1ai | jelly: yes |
| 16:00.58 | greycat | If it's not running, then ignore that. |
| 16:01.43 | jelly | packagekit shouldn't be keeping the lock unprovoked |
| 16:01.53 | OtakuSen1ai | it is running |
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| 16:02.10 | greycat | jelly: but it DOES. |
| 16:02.16 | OtakuSen1ai | i did systemctl stop packagekit.service |
| 16:02.18 | jelly | eh, who knows how many bugs there are in that thing |
| 16:02.56 | tw | jelly: yes people do run debian armhf on rpi3. It still needs a blobby VPU bootloader though. And sdio is still horribad enough that nfsroot is the only way to go. |
| 16:03.10 | tw | sample size = 1 though, so take that with a grain of salt. |
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| 16:04.03 | OtakuSen1ai | i did choose debian over raspbian |
| 16:04.17 | OtakuSen1ai | greycat: im still getting the error |
| 16:04.29 | greycat | If packagekit is stopped, and you're sure you're root, then I don' |
| 16:04.30 | OtakuSen1ai | apt-get update |
| 16:04.31 | OtakuSen1ai | Reading package lists... Done |
| 16:04.31 | OtakuSen1ai | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 16:04.34 | greycat | t know what else is holding the lock. |
| 16:04.45 | greycat | Use lsof or something. |
| 16:05.00 | OtakuSen1ai | greycat: pls command |
| 16:05.07 | greycat | lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 16:05.24 | OtakuSen1ai | shit |
| 16:05.31 | OtakuSen1ai | lsof not found |
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| 16:05.35 | annadane | install it |
| 16:05.40 | jelly | hahaha |
| 16:05.41 | greycat | egg, chicken. |
| 16:05.43 | OtakuSen1ai | :O |
| 16:05.46 | jelly | annadane: good one! |
| 16:05.58 | OtakuSen1ai | pls help |
| 16:05.59 | jelly | OtakuSen1ai: fuser if you don't have lsof |
| 16:06.07 | OtakuSen1ai | jelly: command pls |
| 16:06.10 | greycat | man fuser |
| 16:06.14 | jelly | figure it out,mister |
| 16:06.16 | OtakuSen1ai | :C |
| 16:06.24 | jelly | I don't do spoonfeeding |
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| 16:07.07 | OtakuSen1ai | fuser -f /var/lib.... ? |
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| 16:07.15 | jelly | be proactive, try things |
| 16:07.25 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.42 | annadane | why is "install lsof" not the solution? |
| 16:07.52 | greycat | because he can't run apt-get commands because something has it locked |
| 16:07.57 | tw | annadane: it's locked =po |
| 16:07.57 | annadane | ah. |
| 16:08.00 | annadane | there's the rub |
| 16:08.02 | annadane | right |
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| 16:10.16 | annadane | you know what i haven't done yet? read the virt-manager man page... |
| 16:10.27 | annadane | https://www.xkcd.com/293/ |
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| 16:11.54 | OtakuSen1ai | pls help |
| 16:12.03 | OtakuSen1ai | i tried fuser -l and fuser -m |
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| 16:12.56 | OtakuSen1ai | fuser -ki ? |
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| 16:13.14 | jelly | did you try fuser /path without anything else? |
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| 16:13.59 | OtakuSen1ai | fuser -ki /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 16:13.59 | OtakuSen1ai | /var/lib/apt/lists/lock: 1049 |
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| 16:14.03 | OtakuSen1ai | Kill process 1049 ? (y/N) y |
| 16:14.13 | OtakuSen1ai | ps -aux | grep 1049 |
| 16:14.13 | OtakuSen1ai | root 1049 0.0 0.0 50700 9972 ? S 21:17 0:01 apt-get -qq -y update |
| 16:14.17 | OtakuSen1ai | neelz 2582 0.0 0.0 12900 1076 pts/2 S+ 21:43 0:00 grep 1049 |
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| 16:15.01 | OtakuSen1ai | jelly: also i checked the mailing lists, for the cgroups issue |
| 16:15.14 | OtakuSen1ai | seems tht im not the only one having tht problem |
| 16:15.21 | jelly | sorry, I did not follow that cgroups issue |
| 16:15.31 | OtakuSen1ai | yes its updating |
| 16:15.46 | jelly | \o/ |
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| 16:16.04 | OtakuSen1ai | jelly: my laptops fan isnt working and the cgroups.service is also not woring |
| 16:16.08 | OtakuSen1ai | working |
| 16:16.23 | OtakuSen1ai | it worked earlier, but somehow the service stopped |
| 16:16.35 | OtakuSen1ai | maybe bcoz i kept my laptop on for many days |
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| 16:19.20 | annadane | https://github.com/voidlinux/void-packages/issues/1095#issuecomment-83532739 https://github.com/voidlinux/void-packages/issues/1095#issuecomment-285584851 |
| 16:19.31 | lupus | i'm trying to replicate the dynamic ssh motd setup of Debian on one of my Gentoo boxes. i understand that /etc/pam.d/login has "session optional pam_motd.so motd=/run/motd.dynamic". what i can't figoure out is what is compiling /etc/update-motd.d/* to /run/motd.dynamic. |
| 16:19.45 | lupus | the /lib/systemd/system/motd.service is completely empty |
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| 16:20.21 | OtakuSen1ai | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/1018364/ |
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| 16:22.22 | NetTerminalGene | how can i learn what packages installed last? |
| 16:22.44 | annadane | (yes that says void linux, i'll get a second opinion before running those solutions in debian) |
| 16:22.48 | OtakuSen1ai | scroll your bash history |
| 16:22.55 | annadane | NetTerminalGene, check your /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 16:23.34 | NetTerminalGene | annadane, it only shows one package |
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| 16:23.49 | NetTerminalGene | annadane, i mean i want a list |
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| 16:24.13 | annadane | it'd be in history.log.1.gz then or whatever it's called... as for a list i'm not sure |
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| 16:25.25 | kvuser2 | hello |
| 16:25.58 | SubaruSVX | o/ |
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| 16:26.18 | kvuser2 | i got segfaults "in ld-2.24.so" in various applications |
| 16:26.55 | kvuser2 | like every time i do apt-get upgrade, apt-listchanges segfaults |
| 16:27.13 | kvuser2 | with "apt-listchanges[2381]: segfault at 7f0b397f795c ip 00007f0980487c69 sp 00007fffed481430 error 4 in ld-2.24.so[7f098047c000+23000]" in dmesg |
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| 16:27.36 | kvuser2 | if i want to use irssi.... segfault (again in ld.so) |
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| 16:28.03 | kvuser2 | apache segfaults, php segfault, crda segfault |
| 16:28.08 | kvuser2 | everything else works |
| 16:28.42 | kvuser2 | (or at least i didn't find any other segfaults yet |
| 16:29.08 | Tenkawa | when did this start? |
| 16:29.30 | kvuser2 | irssi about a week ago, i noticed that apt-get segfaults yesterday |
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| 16:29.58 | Tenkawa | sounds like you have ram/hardware possibly acting up |
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| 16:30.24 | Tenkawa | just a thought though |
| 16:30.50 | kvuser2 | i thought about this too, i tried memtester and it got 3 failures ones.... and then later nothing anymoure |
| 16:30.59 | kvuser2 | its shady |
| 16:31.20 | kvuser2 | other applications are always fine |
| 16:31.49 | kvuser2 | and its always "in ld-2.24.s" |
| 16:32.00 | kvuser2 | ld-2.24.so |
| 16:32.36 | Tenkawa | ld is almost always going to show up in a seg fault |
| 16:32.47 | kvuser2 | hmm, ok |
| 16:33.04 | kvuser2 | so... i should try another RAM i guess :/ |
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| 16:33.28 | Tenkawa | or at least reset and if it has multiple slots switch positions |
| 16:33.38 | Tenkawa | er reseat |
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| 16:33.59 | Tenkawa | it might just be not seated well |
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| 16:35.20 | kvuser2 | ok, will try |
| 16:35.21 | kvuser2 | thank you |
| 16:35.44 | Tenkawa | np good luck |
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| 16:36.26 | kvuser2 | thx |
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| 16:39.31 | annadane | NetTerminalGene, apt --installed list |
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| 16:39.54 | annadane | though that's not chronological |
| 16:40.02 | annadane | sec |
| 16:40.50 | NetTerminalGene | yeah i need chronogical |
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| 16:41.18 | greycat | if it's not in apt's or dpkg's logs then I doubt it exists. |
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| 16:41.46 | annadane | NetTerminalGene, zgrep -h ' install ' /var/log/dpkg.log* | sort | awk '{print $4}' https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/288077 |
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| 16:46.25 | NetTerminalGene | annadane, thanks but it is not also chronogical. whatver nevermind i gave up |
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| 16:46.57 | greycat | It is chronological because of the |sort| which as you will easily see by actually looking at the log file in question is sorting on the Y-m-d H:M:S fields at the start of the line. |
| 16:47.15 | greycat | Just saying "it is not chronological" is not helping you. |
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| 16:48.25 | greycat | If you want more information including the timestamps in your output, drop the |awk '{print $4}' part |
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| 16:50.01 | annadane | if you just want packages you installed yourself there's history | grep install |
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| 16:50.37 | greycat | That won't show shell histories that are still in memory in other terminals, and the default history retention file size is rather small. |
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| 16:50.51 | annadane | ah |
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| 17:01.57 | antoine__ | Hello, I am having trouble with CUPS and a printer installed from the web interface. I believe that if I install it in a different way (hplip or system-config-printer), it will work. (Same problem as https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=969778&page=2&s=b359a5f566b4b58c582424b4cb72dd80). I can't figure out hplip and the many dependencies... |
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| 17:02.42 | antoine__ | I successfully installed the printer from the default printer settings of Gnome (system-config-printer I believe), and successfully printed remotely. Could I export the configuration to my print server somehow? |
| 17:02.55 | antoine__ | And could it be recognized by the CUPS service running on it? |
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| 17:04.29 | itseasy | I have a fresh Debian9 machine and want to install a PAM module. I have my .so file, but where should I put it? And what files do i need to update to activate it? |
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| 17:06.02 | greycat | since the files in /etc/pam.d/ don't use a path, I would put it in the same directory as the other pam_*.so files |
| 17:06.15 | greycat | to use it, you would have to edit all the appropriate files in /etc/pam.d/ in the appropriate ways |
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| 17:10.04 | itseasy | what directory would other pam_*.iso files be in? |
| 17:10.38 | greycat | the same one they're in now; did you try locate? or find? or dpkg -L libpamwhatever ? |
| 17:11.07 | greycat | libpam-modules looks like a good choice |
| 17:11.36 | greycat | and it's not .iso, it's .so |
| 17:11.52 | itseasy | yea, meant .so |
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| 17:18.25 | kvuser7_ | Mr. Segfault here again |
| 17:18.58 | kvuser7_ | changed RAM... segfaults.... took SSD and tried to boot from it with some other PC.... segfaults |
| 17:19.30 | antoine__ | Any idea how to export a printer configuration created by Gnome to CUPS? |
| 17:19.44 | antoine__ | Or where that config is stored? |
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| 17:26.56 | kvuser7_ | Mr. Segfault again |
| 17:27.01 | kvuser7_ | i solved my problem |
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| 17:27.19 | kvuser7_ | libssl1.1 got updated 3 or 4 days ago and this was faulty |
| 17:27.23 | kvuser7_ | reinstalled it |
| 17:27.48 | kvuser7_ | idk how such a thing can even happen, but now things seem fine |
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| 17:29.20 | jair | Hello and I know this is stupid, I am trying to mount a CD into my debian old laptop and after inserting the CD and typing > mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/iso I am getting the error > mount: /dev/sr0: can't read superblock |
| 17:29.34 | jair | I am sure someone here have seen this |
| 17:29.48 | jair | and it is perhaps a package I am missing... |
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| 17:29.54 | greycat | Is it a data CD? Or audio CD? |
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| 17:30.25 | jair | greycat: hi there, audio, actually it is the cd of my japanese book |
| 17:30.42 | greycat | Audio CDs don't have a file system and therefore can't be mounted. |
| 17:30.56 | kvuser7_ | jair: try the mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /mnt/iso |
| 17:31.11 | jair | greycat: I see, so if I want to just rip the mp3 files into my pc |
| 17:31.16 | jair | kvuser7_: tried that |
| 17:31.27 | kvuser7_ | yeah, greycat is right |
| 17:31.38 | jhutchins_wk | jair: You could use mplayer or vlc or an audio client that will play the CD directly. |
| 17:32.17 | jhutchins_wk | jair: You'll need a ripping tool if you want to grab mp3s, there are several. |
| 17:32.44 | jair | http://paste.debian.net/1018374/ |
| 17:32.53 | jair | that is the error I get |
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| 17:33.10 | jair | jhutchins_wk: understood |
| 17:33.22 | jair | will check then which one I can use |
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| 17:35.12 | spacemn | antoine__: the configuration is stored in /etc/cups/printers.conf |
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| 17:36.43 | spacemn | antoine__: I don't think it's exportable as it contains an UUID number |
| 17:37.35 | antoine__ | spacemn: I am looking at it on both my server and my laptop. Both files look very similar. I wonder why when I configure my printer from the web app of my server running CUPS and from gnome on my laptop it behaves differently |
| 17:37.57 | antoine__ | Gnome works and CUPS doesn't... |
| 17:38.15 | spacemn | antoine__: missing PPD maybe? |
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| 17:38.45 | antoine__ | It says it uses the same hpcups file... |
| 17:39.00 | spacemn | antoine__: I mean, the PPD file with the printer description |
| 17:39.08 | antoine__ | I believe CUPS doesn't handle the low-ink warning very well. |
| 17:39.22 | antoine__ | I have to go for 20mn, I'll look at it when I come back. |
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| 17:56.56 | donald | I am going to do something dangerous for my filesystem. how to save my filesystem in a way I can recover in case of trouble? |
| 17:57.06 | greycat | We call that a "backup". |
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| 17:57.23 | donald | greycat yes a backup |
| 17:57.27 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 17:57.38 | donald | do you have a command |
| 17:57.39 | donald | ? |
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| 17:57.50 | greycat | You are not serious right now, I hope. |
| 17:58.07 | annadane | donald, also, before doing "dangerous things" why not tell us what that dangerous thing is and why you want to do it? |
| 17:58.19 | greycat | Fuck me, it's a help vampire leech! It's attacking me in /msg! |
| 17:58.28 | greycat | 13:58 Ignoring MSGS from donald |
| 17:59.00 | greycat | Regardless of what dangerous or even SAFE things he's going to do, he should have a backup strategy. |
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| 17:59.34 | Tenkawa | reading up and doing some research first would be a good idea |
| 17:59.36 | donald | annadane: I want to install and use an extern package manager know as pip to get programming libraries |
| 18:00.00 | greycat | The normal recommendation for pip is to use it inside a python virtualenv. |
| 18:00.13 | greycat | Regardless of that, have a backup strategy. |
| 18:00.42 | donald | I read Improper usage of any archival program can cause unintended data loss. Read the entire tutorial before proceeding and understand what you are doing. in internet that is creepy |
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| 18:03.36 | donald | wich documentation should I read in this case? is there a manual such as the debian administrator handbook*? |
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| 18:04.57 | annadane | if you don't use root inside virtualenv you shouldn't have issues |
| 18:05.42 | greycat | (but you still want a backup strategy, and no, there isn't a "manual" for how to develop a backup strategy based on your budget, your hardware, and your data storage needs) |
| 18:06.06 | annadane | you can look into rsync for general backups |
| 18:06.29 | greycat | The command part is *easy*. If the device is a random-access file system, then yeah, rsync is awesome. |
| 18:06.48 | greycat | If it's a tape or a DVD-RW or ... then no, you can't rsync to that. |
| 18:07.26 | greycat | Once you know what you're backing up and where you're copying it TO, then writing a script to do it is child's play. |
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| 18:09.17 | annadane | you *should* have backups anyway regardless of what you're doing or using |
| 18:10.12 | donald | I do not want to waste time. I will use sbackup. whatdo you think of this choice? |
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| 18:10.45 | greycat | I have no idea what that is, or what kind of place/thing it writes to, or how the writing is done, or how the restoration is done. |
| 18:10.51 | Tenkawa | donald: if it all breaks and you have to start over you will be wasting more time |
| 18:11.06 | epiflux | rsync is a good thing to be familiar with. a simple search should turn up basic usage examples. |
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| 18:15.31 | annadane | i kinda just do all my backups via copy and paste in some GUI file manager |
| 18:15.46 | annadane | there's a lot i intentionally don't want to keep |
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| 18:19.48 | antoine__ | spacemn: The only lines that are different are the Info and UUID lines. |
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| 18:21.50 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
| 18:22.28 | rocketmagnet | hi have to following issue: https://pastebin.com/e3jdbtpN |
| 18:22.41 | antoine__ | If anyone has an idea about why my printer is working when configured from gnome settings but not from my CUPS server, I'd be happy to get some help, I'm out of ideas... |
| 18:22.46 | rocketmagnet | i'm bad when it comes to package managment errors |
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| 18:22.51 | annadane | ,v raspi3-firmware |
| 18:22.52 | judd | No package named 'raspi3-firmware' was found in amd64. |
| 18:22.55 | annadane | !raspbian |
| 18:22.55 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 18:23.47 | rocketmagnet | nice, ty :) |
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| 18:26.24 | zoeurk | hello, how i can explicitly provide main/debian-installer section in the sources.list? (do you have an exemple?) |
| 18:28.53 | ksk | zoeurk: is main/debian-installer something im not aware of? there is main, and there is a debian-installer (which installs debian?) - but I would not see it in sources.list context |
| 18:29.23 | zoeurk | ok |
| 18:29.41 | annadane | !tell zoeurk about stretch sources.list |
| 18:29.44 | ksk | during a debian install you can install packages from cdrom which are referred via sources.list (an entry like cdrom: or so) |
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| 18:30.27 | annadane | (well, i assume stretch...) |
| 18:30.51 | greycat | I'm completely confused by zoeurk's question and don't have any idea what he wanted to do. |
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| 18:31.05 | annadane | same |
| 18:31.42 | zoeurk | my question come from this documentation https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build |
| 18:32.35 | zoeurk | for building an image of debian installer |
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| 18:34.10 | zoeurk | I think I understand but I'm not sure |
| 18:34.40 | greycat | you're... trying to make your own custom installation image? |
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| 18:37.13 | zoeurk | yes greycat and I'm french (it's hard) |
| 18:37.28 | greycat | !debian-boot |
| 18:37.34 | greycat | really... |
| 18:37.45 | greycat | !d-i |
| 18:37.45 | dpkg | Debian 9 "Stretch is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
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| 18:41.08 | zoeurk | thanks, bye |
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| 18:45.26 | donald | Tenkawa: +1 |
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| 18:54.12 | ian___ | pcf files are what the ttys use to display fonts |
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| 18:54.34 | ian___ | and to change the font from a predetermined list you can dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 19:00.17 | spacemn | antoine__: UUID differences are expected and the content of info line IIRC can be changed by user so I don't think is relevant in your case, so if the printer is supported on your server but doesn't work in your laptop, assuming both are running Debian, you don't have the same drivers installed |
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| 19:05.36 | spacemn | antoine__: I've read the page you linked, if there isn't an option on CUPS to ignore low ink warnings I would get my hands dirty and would modify CUPS to ignore them |
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| 20:08.37 | Guest5182 | hi |
| 20:08.50 | Guest5182 | I run debian stretch. It uses X server right? |
| 20:08.59 | Guest5182 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.36 | greycat | X can be installed, or not. |
| 20:09.55 | Guest5182 | I'm already running X server i think |
| 20:10.05 | itseasy | where are PAM log files located? Using a Debin9 machine. |
| 20:10.12 | itseasy | Debian9* |
| 20:10.21 | annadane | Guest5182, you mean remotely? |
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| 20:10.25 | annadane | as in, over ssh? |
| 20:10.43 | Guest5182 | nah. locally. basically i want to do it programmatically annadane |
| 20:10.49 | Guest5182 | so imagine like, automating a window |
| 20:11.11 | Guest5182 | like im pretty sure in java there is a Robot thing that lets you move mouse and keyboard. but that takes over the whole machine |
| 20:11.12 | annadane | hmm. well i don't know much about it, i just know keepass2 requires xdotool to perform autotype |
| 20:11.20 | annadane | maybe that, there's probably a better answer though |
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| 20:11.56 | Guest5182 | what i wanna do is automate mouse and keyboard movements by inputting x and y coordinates in mouse etc. specific to one window, in such a way that i would still be able to move mouse and keyboard for other applications in my computer |
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| 20:12.13 | JustASlacker | want some fries with that? |
| 20:12.19 | Guest5182 | lol |
| 20:12.26 | Guest5182 | well do you guys know anything that can do this? |
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| 20:12.45 | Guest5182 | its basically like, intercepting X window commands programmatically |
| 20:13.11 | velix | # apt-get beer |
| 20:13.22 | JustASlacker | why automate a GUI |
| 20:13.38 | JustASlacker | you have a terminal for that |
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| 20:13.50 | Guest5182 | some programs dont have an option for that |
| 20:14.00 | JustASlacker | get better programm |
| 20:14.05 | dondelelcaro | Guest5182: you can do that with xdotool or xmacro |
| 20:14.08 | JustASlacker | but Im gonna bite and ask, which? |
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| 20:14.25 | annadane | interestingly i just found this https://automatetheboringstuff.com/chapter18/ |
| 20:14.40 | Guest5182 | xdotool or xmacro ok let me google now |
| 20:14.54 | dondelelcaro | Guest5182: though there might be better ways of automating things, depending on what you're doing. [I know some web browsers have automation frameworks] |
| 20:15.10 | Guest5182 | yea like selenium and such? hmm |
| 20:15.35 | Guest5182 | annadane yeah that might be it |
| 20:16.17 | annadane | but that requires *gasp* reading as opposed to a nice little prepackaged tool |
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| 20:16.32 | annadane | which is not convenient |
| 20:16.35 | dondelelcaro | Guest5182: right; you can also often automate things using javascript or similar |
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| 20:24.29 | Guest5182 | dondelelcaro annadane one easy way would be if there is a tool that can make a small window with its own mouse and keyboard, do you know something like that |
| 20:24.45 | annadane | fraid not |
| 20:25.11 | JustASlacker | have to wait for wayland I guess :) |
| 20:25.15 | Guest5182 | lmao |
| 20:25.24 | Guest5182 | we always come down to this :D |
| 20:25.57 | annadane | uncle sam wants YOU (to develop for wayland) |
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| 20:26.31 | Guest5182 | llol |
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| 20:28.56 | annadane | to be fair wayland exists in forms here and there, it's not like the release date is set somewhere in the future |
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| 20:29.00 | annadane | it works for some things, not for others |
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| 20:33.10 | dondelelcaro | Guest5182: What, like xnest? |
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| 20:38.49 | JordiGH | Any idea what this is a screenshot of? https://mathstodon.xyz/system/media_attachments/files/000/178/085/original/c4bd38ccdc5fd95f.jpg |
| 20:38.53 | JordiGH | I want a Debian swirl too. |
| 20:39.11 | JustASlacker | I like thinkpads |
| 20:39.21 | JordiGH | ENHANCE |
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| 20:39.29 | annadane | JordiGH, screenfetch or neofetch |
| 20:39.52 | annadane | if you zoom in you can actually see the picture says neofetch |
| 20:40.20 | annadane | *i* want those curtains. |
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| 20:41.07 | JordiGH | annadane: O RLY http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/piccies/Screenshot.png |
| 20:42.08 | annadane | well anyway i think it's probably neofetch |
| 20:42.22 | hypn0 | curtains? who still has those :-) |
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| 20:42.24 | annadane | let me go search r/unixporn |
| 20:42.27 | JordiGH | Yeah, neofetch worked. |
| 20:42.39 | annadane | good |
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| 20:50.38 | velix | (k |
| 20:50.45 | velix | Oh sorry :( |
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| 20:53.05 | annadane | trying to exit vim? |
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| 20:55.16 | antoine__ | spacenm: It was the other way around: the server doesn't work but the laptop does. (doesn't matter anyway). Yep I could look into modifying CUPS but it would be the last solution! |
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| 20:55.58 | antoine__ | I'm actually thinking whether it is usefull to print through a server. What is the difference between direct printing to the printer... |
| 20:56.26 | antoine__ | The only difference would be if I'm outside the local network, right? |
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| 21:51.12 | dfcnvt | I don't know whether this is by default for the rest of you Debian's user. Whenever I click on 'Num Lock' -- I expect the only numkey be affected and can be used to switch to number or to use it as an arrow or a PgUp or whichever feature it provide only in the keypad. But when I toggle the NumLock and leave it in the corner, I type regularly in the qwerty keyboard using letter l,k,j,u,i,o or whichever on |
| 21:51.18 | dfcnvt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:55.08 | tw | is it a laptop without a 10key?\ |
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| 21:56.38 | tw | dfcnvt: those keycodes are usually from the keyboard itself and not translated by the input system. |
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| 22:03.43 | permalink | hi. i try to hadren some small servers . do you think it's enough if i change the ssh port and accept only pubkey auth ? should i also add some rules in iptables ? |
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| 22:19.08 | craftyguy | is the linux-image-amd64 package supposed to generate an initrd as well? |
| 22:19.43 | craftyguy | it currently seems to only install the kernel to /boot, and *not* create an initrd for it |
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| 22:53.45 | awal1 | what is the logical/normal interval between command execution? |
| 22:54.38 | awal1 | not sure if the system is related or just a hardware concern |
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| 22:55.46 | ksk | awal1: you mean in the cpu, shifting bits and stuff? or your bash running a bash script? eh? |
| 22:57.22 | awal1 | if I press successively Super-f , Super-g , Super-c for launch , say, firefox, guake, chromium, I notice that my openbox delays the effective execution of those successive commands, like 2 seconds or so between each one |
| 22:57.24 | awal1 | ksk |
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| 22:58.30 | ksk | so, you are saying, if you press many switches, things tend to start slower? |
| 22:58.37 | ksk | s/switches/buttons |
| 22:58.51 | awal1 | yeah |
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| 22:59.15 | awal1 | by switches you mean keyboard shortcuts, i guess |
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| 23:00.07 | awal1 | well, delay almost happens at first run, first time programs are started |
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| 23:02.27 | ksk | ehm. computers work that way. like when you boot up, debian starts. then you want to start a browser, which gets executed and its program-data is loaded from the disk. |
| 23:02.41 | awal1 | ksk, being more concrete thinking about all that, why if I start firefox first time delay is a bit long , 3/5 seconds, but if if I close it and I launch it again, launch process is almost instantaneous |
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| 23:03.01 | awal1 | less than 2 seconds |
| 23:03.12 | ksk | stuff that is running is also saved in ram, and also stuff that was used recently, should no other apps need the ram |
| 23:04.02 | awal1 | that is the idea probably yeah |
| 23:04.05 | ksk | so if you just close your browser, wait 2s and start it again, (most of) the programm will still be in ram and does not need to be read from disk |
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| 23:04.19 | ksk | also, not a debian question, but welcome to computers ;) |
| 23:04.29 | ksk | you might find the debian handbook handy |
| 23:04.39 | awal1 | ksk, debian? |
| 23:04.43 | awal1 | what is that? |
| 23:04.47 | awal1 | :P |
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| 23:06.10 | awal1 | not sure what I should look for for understand all that; I mean executable in usr bin vs ram or I don' 't know what exactly |
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| 23:07.40 | awal1 | I noticed that first launch is only slow (a few seconds, anyway) after a shutdown; login out from x doesn't affect delay |
| 23:08.04 | awal1 | first launch of a given app |
| 23:08.35 | ksk | awal1: https://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 23:08.46 | ksk | not really your "problem", but it explains linux disk caching at a low level |
| 23:09.56 | ksk | or, maybe it does not really explain it. you should maybe then grab a book about how computers work. |
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| 23:10.13 | ksk | or maybe a booklet. |
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| 23:11.19 | somiaj | I like linux caching, gives a reason to like to have extra ram on your system. (: |
| 23:11.48 | somiaj | well is yet another, also makes it nice for files that get read or written to alot (saves hd wear) |
| 23:12.26 | somiaj | I recall seeing an example where at boot up, someone cached some of their most used files (like a browser), so by teh time you login to xorg, lauching firefox is quick. |
| 23:12.42 | awal1 | ksk, I don't have a problem; just trying to understand, or be pointed in the right direction, for understand why firefox, for example, lates like 10 seconds to launch when executed the first time but less than 3 seconds when second or more execution |
| 23:12.52 | awal1 | ^ ff just an example |
| 23:13.08 | ksk | I tried to explain that to you during our conversation. |
| 23:13.42 | ksk | with words like stuff to not make it complicated (and because im lazy of course) |
| 23:13.42 | bites | awal1: https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Linux_Page_Cache_Basics |
| 23:14.41 | bites | linux writes file blocks to page cache after accessing them so the second read becomes quicker. |
| 23:15.14 | awal1 | ^ nice explanation :P |
| 23:15.39 | awal1 | ok, ksk, bites, thanks; now I know what I should searchengine |
| 23:15.45 | bites | and it's completely transparent for users and applications. |
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| 23:15.52 | bites | no problem. |
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| 23:17.47 | somiaj | https://hoytech.com/vmtouch -- hmm, with a tool like that one could cache their most used files at boot to take advantage of the speed |
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| 23:18.35 | somiaj | though here I'm thinking of just precaching things like firefox and the likes (most things will get cahced by default) |
| 23:19.48 | awal1 | ,v vmtouch |
| 23:19.49 | judd | Package: vmtouch on amd64 -- buster: 1.3.0-1; sid: 1.3.0-1 |
| 23:20.21 | awal1 | that is available in debian, good, somiaj |
| 23:21.23 | somiaj | yea, I wouldn't over use it, as it coudl slow down your boot (the reading takes time no matter when you do it), but maybe near the end you can start prechacing files that you know y ou will most likely use at some point) |
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| 23:23.19 | ksk | iirc windows and OSX been doing that for a while, to make things apear faster. |
| 23:23.28 | somiaj | yup |
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| 23:24.09 | somiaj | I recally this from some demo shwoing that linux could 'load fast' in comparision to windows by precaching files too. |
| 23:24.16 | ksk | also "Im totally not woken up from sleep yet, but I show you this nice password field already" thing :D |
| 23:24.21 | somiaj | and by load fast they meant time from clicking icon to app running. |
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| 23:25.57 | somiaj | though I belive windows did at the time load the program into memory during the boot (not actually using a filesystem cache) but the idea is similar. |
| 23:27.39 | bites | interesting. maybe write a systemd unit so it runs after the dm or even after user login. |
| 23:27.58 | tw | what would you do with it? preload your most-run apps? |
| 23:29.21 | somiaj | well the tool can do other things, like just give you info about your cache if your intersted, but that is one thing you could do. |
| 23:29.40 | somiaj | Just depends on if you want to not wait as long the first time you open some app each time you boot |
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| 23:31.55 | tw | It still has to do the reads, it might be before you call the app or after. And if you're going to do the reads, I feel like you might as well exec the app minimized. |
| 23:31.59 | somiaj | Though a sesson manager is probably a more marture approach for such a thing, just depends on if you want to start loadign stuff you use into memeory before you login and start using stuff. |
| 23:32.27 | somiaj | yea, it only shifts the time to boot, so slower boot time, faster app time, hence why it probably dosen't get used, but as a novelty you could. |
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| 23:34.06 | bites | i'm glad SSDs exist. ^^ |
| 23:34.33 | somiaj | Yup |
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| 23:39.33 | tw | it makes sense if you're using a hybrid drive. |
| 23:40.21 | tw | then you can use high level metadata to determine what to stick in the drive cache instead of just block LRU. |
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| 23:42.06 | bites | a neural network that decides which files to cache. ^^ |
| 23:42.16 | bites | maybe in kernel 5 :> |
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| 23:53.58 | qifan | hi |
| 23:54.11 | qifan | how do i enable 3D grafics? ive installed and downloaded steam CSGO... 2x RX580's in crossfire but 20 fps.. i think its a bit low |
| 23:55.13 | qifan | windows give 300 fps |
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