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| 00:32.22 | dodobrain | hi all, what exactly is full disk encryption? does this mean i also have /bot encrypted? |
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| 00:34.08 | Guest67 | hello. im having a .deb package built for wheezy which doesnt has any deps or rec. os stretch backwards compaitible so i can install it? |
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| 00:38.03 | bites | dodobrain: full disk encryption would mean encrypted /boot. the debian installer doesn't offer that feature yet. |
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| 00:39.21 | tw | what would you use instead, unencrypted efi boot partition, like windows? |
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| 00:39.41 | tw | *instead of unencrypted /boot |
| 00:39.57 | LeoNerd | Personally, I don't really see a point in encrypting the _entire_ disk; just do /home. And maybe /var if you're paranoid |
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| 00:40.32 | LeoNerd | If you're running Debian then the OS, kernel, etc... are all open public knowledge anyway.. why bother encrypting that on the disk? |
| 00:41.21 | tw | it makes evil maid attacks harder because the disk is not easily mutable. |
| 00:41.22 | bites | to prevent tampering. |
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| 00:41.59 | Guest67 | i prefer file encryption |
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| 00:42.43 | tw | I prefer binary signature enforcement, but that's not available on linux. |
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| 00:47.01 | edju | Running Jessie. When I open KMail 4.14.1, the console spits out a bunch of akonadi spam. Akonadi, I guess, has somehow gotten screwed I'd reinstall, but it isn't a package. Any tips on getting akonadi to behave greatly appreciated. |
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| 01:09.59 | SlidingHorn | edju, Have you taken a look at the wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/KDE/Jessie/kontact |
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| 01:16.03 | awal1 | how to reduce security/privacy risks for host having a vm running apps needing admin power during long hours? |
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| 01:19.24 | SlidingHorn | awal1, here's a good start: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 01:26.06 | awal1 | SlidingHorn, I have seen that years ago yeah; my question was more about eventual "security/privacy holes" that virtualization tools can provoque in the host system |
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| 01:27.13 | awal1 | like vmtools being a source of security problems under windows |
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| 01:27.57 | awal1 | vmtools of vmware ^ |
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| 01:29.44 | awal1 | http://www.cse.wustl.edu/~jain/cse571-09/ftp/vmsec/index.html#sec4 |
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| 01:33.26 | SlidingHorn | I assume you're using kvm? |
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| 01:34.50 | edju | SlidingHorn, Thanks for the pointer. I've stopped akonadi and no more junk. Now, we'll see if it stays stopped! |
| 01:35.42 | SlidingHorn | edju, glad that helped :) |
| 01:36.34 | awal1 | SlidingHorn, no, I use vbox |
| 01:37.11 | awal1 | I have better results with it |
| 01:37.57 | SlidingHorn | awal1, Here's a good guide from vbox: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch13.html |
| 01:39.09 | awal1 | SlidingHorn, nice ;) |
| 01:40.22 | SlidingHorn | awal1, keep in mind that security is ongoing, though. Keeping up to date is important. If it's something you're concerned about, considering finding a mailing list or something related to vbox security updates, bugs, etc. :) |
| 01:41.54 | SlidingHorn | s/considering/consider |
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| 02:22.01 | Delta706 | how stable is buster? |
| 02:23.12 | Sveta | I use it every day at a home laptop, for email and web browsing and reading books. |
| 02:23.27 | Sveta | Works for me. If you use it for something else, it may behave differently. |
| 02:23.49 | Delta706 | It has a package I want which is not in stretch |
| 02:23.55 | SlidingHorn | Delta706, more stable than some "stable" versions of other distros, but it all depends on your purpose with it |
| 02:24.09 | Sveta | Delta706, you could look for it in backports. |
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| 06:06.30 | darxmurf | I have a weird issue post apt-get upgrade |
| 06:06.37 | irinix | would opensshd support key enforced logins on one port, and password logins on a seperate port, hidden behind a knock server? |
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| 06:07.01 | darxmurf | when I restart some services, I have this process "/bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch" stuck |
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| 06:09.18 | blaztek | irinix, I believe so yes - because you can have 2 sshd's listening on different ports and adapters |
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| 06:10.35 | irinix | blaztek, okay, awesome, thanks. The idea is that I want to start up an aws instance, but I alwaaaaays lose my darn keys, so I wanted to have a knock protected port, that would open a hidden ssh port that was password protected. |
| 06:11.08 | irinix | Then to avoid abuse, each time the knock server opened the port, the knockable port would change, and the knock server would send me a text to my google voice acount with the port number |
| 06:11.45 | blaztek | irinix, sounds good....just use `-f config_file` and you'll be good, I'm sure |
| 06:12.05 | irinix | =D |
| 06:12.09 | n4dir | i would just make sure to not lose my keys ... |
| 06:12.40 | irinix | n4dir, I've tried *everything* |
| 06:12.43 | irinix | back up copies, |
| 06:12.54 | irinix | writing them down.... |
| 06:13.08 | n4dir | just kidding. something round the lines of: "protect them with your life" |
| 06:13.27 | irinix | yeah, I'd still lose them, life isn't very valuable to me. lol |
| 06:13.47 | n4dir | ha ha. you crack me up, that early in the morning. anyway: good luck. |
| 06:14.00 | irinix | thanks |
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| 06:28.42 | elevator | installing debian via floppy discs. rtl8180 driver is not included... where can I download it? |
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| 06:29.54 | idustyb | @elevator: Legit? Awesome. There's a lot of information regarding the realtek non-free drivers on the main debian site. |
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| 06:31.05 | idustyb | @elevator: Might be best reading something like this: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
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| 06:35.28 | elevator | Thanks, yeah. Got an old thinkpad 240x from 2001. Has a usb port but cant boot from it. No etherent port either. |
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| 06:41.28 | idustyb | @elevator: Oooh! Awesome. Gosh! May I ask; what are your plans with this device? |
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| 06:42.06 | idustyb | (Personal curiosity; feel free to not answer..) |
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| 06:43.09 | SlidingHorn | elevator, Try this (using the CD ISO with the nonfree firmware): https://wiki.debian.org/BootingFromFloppyToUsb |
| 06:43.24 | SlidingHorn | link to the non-free images: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 06:48.08 | alkisg | The plop boot manager can boot from floppy => usb |
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| 07:07.22 | elevator | SlidingHorn: thanks, great solution |
| 07:07.59 | SlidingHorn | <o happy to help elevator |
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| 08:24.17 | AikiLinux | I am following a basic deb package creation ( first time ) and getting an error of "debian/rules:5: recipe for target 'clean' failed" , i checked for white spaces (both with vim and nano) and saw that the file has none (https://paste.ee/p/JbEa5 ), and I can't understand why i am getting this error, any ideas ? |
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| 08:28.01 | Unit193 | AikiLinux: Got any more in that log? |
| 08:28.01 | BW^- | Hi, for the package "openjdk-8-jdk", i would like to learn *how* (using what build commands) the Debian package is built/compiled. Where can I download those (e.g. its build script)? |
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| 08:33.56 | AikiLinux | Unit193, https://paste.ee/p/6OMnP , this is the whole output i get |
| 08:34.36 | Unit193 | AikiLinux: echo 10 > debian/compat |
| 08:35.12 | Unit193 | ,v debhelper |
| 08:35.14 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.20120909; jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 10.2.5~bpo8+1; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 11~bpo9+1; buster: 11.1.6; sid: 11.1.6 |
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| 08:36.27 | AikiLinux | thanks (like i said a noob ) following this https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPackaging#Introduction_to_Debian_Packaging |
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| 08:38.29 | Unit193 | AikiLinux: You should also really set a build-depend on debhelper for whichever compat level you use, with my example: debhelper (>= 10) |
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| 08:39.19 | jelly | BW^-: apt-get source packagename, provided you have entries for |
| 08:39.21 | jelly | !deb-src |
| 08:39.21 | dpkg | You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed. |
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| 08:39.53 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 08:40.52 | tobiasBora | I'm on a lab server, and I would like to share one of my folder with other users in order to share a git repository. However, I would like to give write and read access only to a specific list of users, how can I do that? |
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| 08:48.05 | DarsVaeda | when viewing journalctl I can hit space to navigate faster, where do I find shortcuts explained? |
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| 08:49.36 | SlidingHorn | tobiasBora, as far as I know, private repositories are a paid feature for github. There's a free, open sourced, self hosted platform called Gogs that looks similar though...never used it |
| 08:50.20 | jelly | DarsVaeda: it just calls the system pager to view the lines, by default that's "less" |
| 08:50.24 | petn-randall | DarsVaeda: The output gets piped to your preferred viewer, most likely 'less'. The man page should get you going. |
| 08:50.40 | DarsVaeda | ah I see |
| 08:50.47 | petn-randall | heh :) |
| 08:50.51 | DarsVaeda | thanks |
| 08:51.19 | alkisg | tobiasBora: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-on-the-Server-Setting-Up-the-Server |
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| 08:55.48 | Iridos | did somebody already mention that it's probably "less"? ^^ |
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| 08:57.20 | SlidingHorn | tobiasBora, There's also a fork off Gogs called gitea that looks to have simplified things a bit |
| 09:02.52 | Unit193 | Gitea seems overkill for a local git repo.. As far as 'paid feature', that's true for Github but not Bitbucket (though that seems even more unrelated to the question.) |
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| 09:03.52 | babilen | gitea + letencrypt (with dehydrated) is quite easy to setup |
| 09:04.00 | babilen | *letsencrypt |
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| 09:04.13 | Unit193 | gitolite3+cgit is pretty fantastic though. :> |
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| 09:31.51 | tobiasBora | SlidingHorn: well I don't want a private github, I just want to use the server that my lab provide with ssh access |
| 09:32.50 | tobiasBora | alkisg: I don't have root access to the server, that's why I would like to share a folder of /home/me/git for example, but I don't want to give access to all the users on the server to this folder |
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| 09:33.31 | babilen | You can easily just use ssh+git |
| 09:33.39 | alkisg | tobiasBora: most of the shared folders servers like samba, ssh, whatever, need root to install those servers |
| 09:34.16 | tobiasBora | babilen: I want to use ssh+git yes |
| 09:34.29 | tobiasBora | but the problem is that if I chmod 777 /home/me/git |
| 09:34.43 | tobiasBora | then all the users on the server will be able to modify/delete our code |
| 09:35.05 | tobiasBora | that's why I'd like to give access to /home/me/git to only a few users, say alice and bob |
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| 09:35.27 | alkisg | tobiasBora: how can you allow users to login with ssh? using your account? then you don't need to chmod 777 |
| 09:35.33 | tobiasBora | alkisg: ssh is installed, I can rely on it without any trouble |
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| 09:35.45 | alkisg | And all the users already have accounts on that server? |
| 09:35.49 | tobiasBora | alice has a ssh account, bob also |
| 09:35.53 | tobiasBora | yes |
| 09:36.07 | tobiasBora | and I want to allow alice and bob to read/write in /home/me/git |
| 09:36.15 | satanist | tobiasBora: https://github.com/cbdevnet/fugit/ |
| 09:36.31 | babilen | You could put all of your repos in /srv/git and control access with suitable owner/group membership or ACLs |
| 09:36.42 | tobiasBora | but chmod/chown are not general enough, and I think to remember that there is some extended right on debian, but don't rememember the name |
| 09:36.51 | tobiasBora | maybe acl or something |
| 09:37.01 | babilen | Yes, access control lists |
| 09:37.26 | babilen | Membership in a "git" group would also work |
| 09:37.31 | p0g0 | create a group, add bob and alice to that group, give the group write access? |
| 09:37.39 | babilen | I wouldn't necessarily use my home dir though |
| 09:37.56 | p0g0 | yeah, not your home dir is a good notion. |
| 09:37.58 | jim | is there a "maintainance mode" or "single user mode" when systemd is installed, that would allow me to unmount /var? |
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| 09:38.59 | tobiasBora | p0g0: I don't have root access so I can't use group |
| 09:39.14 | p0g0 | can you ask someone who does? |
| 09:39.19 | babilen | ^ |
| 09:39.33 | p0g0 | It's how things are supposed to work... |
| 09:39.37 | babilen | I mean, either contact your hoster or get a box somewhere that allows you to do what you want |
| 09:40.14 | babilen | In particular if you want to configure things that provides a service to other users on the same box |
| 09:40.26 | tobiasBora | well if I need to create a new group for each new group of people I'm working with, the admin are gonna become crazy |
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| 09:41.07 | tobiasBora | satanist: this provide a specific shell for all users that try to connect to my account using a specific key? |
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| 09:41.12 | babilen | Then ask them to configure gitea/gitlab/... for you. It allows you to configure access control in a fine grained manner. |
| 09:41.22 | wondiws | I'm using xterm, and some program has modified a parameter of one xterm, so if I click in it I get codes. I'm curious what property has been altered |
| 09:41.33 | wondiws | when I start mc, it is alright again |
| 09:41.38 | wondiws | but mc restores the terminal when I quit it |
| 09:41.47 | tobiasBora | babilen: they are quite oldfashion and I doubt they will provide me these tools |
| 09:42.02 | satanist | tobiasBora: yes |
| 09:42.28 | tobiasBora | satanist: and you can do that without root access? I didn't know that, that's interesting |
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| 09:42.41 | babilen | tobiasBora: The problem is that you want to run a service for multiple users, without being in a position to do so. Either change your position (by getting a different box/hoster/..) or get the people who *are* in that position to run that service |
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| 09:43.24 | satanist | you add the ssh-key to your athorized_keys file with some special arguments |
| 09:43.59 | babilen | I mean we could probably fuddle something together with ACLs in your home dir or even sandboxing SSH, but it will be more work and less secure than doing this right. |
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| 09:49.07 | rindolf | Hi all! My link-fu is failing me - where can i find the patch fixing this - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=894667 ? |
| 09:49.08 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/894667 in src:beep (open, security, upstream): «beep: CVE-2018-0492»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-04-03; last modified: 2018-04-03. |
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| 09:51.46 | tobiasBora | ok, thank you for your help |
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| 09:55.29 | Iridos | judd, versions beep |
| 09:55.30 | judd | Package: beep on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3-3+b1; wheezy: 1.3-3+b1; wheezy-security: 1.3-3+deb7u1; jessie-security: 1.3-3+deb8u1; buster: 1.3-4+b1; sid: 1.3-4+b1; stretch: 1.3-4+b1; stretch-security: 1.3-4+deb9u1 |
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| 09:58.43 | Iridos | rindolf, on debian ⦠apt-get source beep ; then it's inside beep_1.3-4+deb9u1.debian.tar.xz at debian/patches/CVE-2018-0492.patch |
| 10:00.04 | Iridos | outside debian⦠beep_1.3-4+deb9u1.debian.tar.xz (for stretch) can be found at https://packages.debian.org/stretch/beep ⦠there's a link on the right-hand side |
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| 10:01.43 | alkisg | tobiasBora: afaik you could still set up git, and follow this: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-on-the-Server-Setting-Up-the-Server, and insteadof the "git" user there, to use your own account |
| 10:02.00 | alkisg | There's no need for a "shared folder" |
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| 10:02.10 | rindolf | Iridos: thanks |
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| 11:07.33 | shtrb|work | Anyone have an idea what damage missing dell-smbios could do ? (no longer have access to docking station) |
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| 11:12.37 | bolovanos | hithere |
| 11:13.22 | bolovanos | on my Stretch 9.4, I have installed https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades, but in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades, there is version jessie - how is that? |
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| 11:17.06 | hostmania | there is but commented, its usually $distro_codename there |
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| 11:21.13 | bolovanos | hostmania, which versioun would you please recommend? A) "o=Debian,n=stretch,l=Debian-Security"; B) "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}-security"; |
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| 11:22.19 | bolovanos | btw this "origin=Debian,codename=${distro_codename},label=Debian-Security"; is uncommented in that config |
| 11:23.36 | hostmania | i think if you install unattended and do nothing else, only security updates are auto installed |
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| 11:24.19 | bolovanos | maybe that is what that uncommented line says |
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| 11:25.23 | bolovanos | https://pastebin.com/X6RA1nMe |
| 11:25.46 | bites | bolovanos: having jessie in the config is an oversight. if you want to enable the lines you will have to change jessie to stretch or use the ${distro_codename} variable. |
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| 11:26.59 | bites | it has already been reported and fixed for buster. |
| 11:27.19 | bolovanos | bites, ok thank you |
| 11:27.23 | bolovanos | hostmania, thank you |
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| 11:32.44 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 11:33.50 | cusdylier | I get the following kernel panic when installing Debian Jessie: https://i.imgur.com/pUVGnZZ.jpg |
| 11:34.02 | cusdylier | Debian Stretch doesn't have this issue and installs fine. |
| 11:34.14 | cusdylier | Anyone any ideas why I get this kernel panic? |
| 11:34.26 | cusdylier | The server I'm installing it on is pre-UEFI. |
| 11:34.40 | darxmurf | hmmm why do you install jessie ? |
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| 11:34.49 | cusdylier | Requirement for some software. |
| 11:34.58 | cusdylier | @darxmurf |
| 11:35.10 | darxmurf | well, you can't run them on stretch ? |
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| 11:35.15 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
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| 11:36.46 | ychaouche | I have a hypothesis that my script behaves differently when it's run from the command line than when it's run from a cron job. I would like to run my script from the command line but somehow simulate it was called by a cron job to verify this hypothesis. Is it possible ? |
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| 11:37.38 | petn-randall | ychaouche: cron jobs have a very different environment than from the command line. Many environment variables are not set, such as $PATH. |
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| 11:38.06 | ychaouche | petn-randall: so I have to unset the env before running it from the cmd line ? |
| 11:38.14 | ychaouche | if that's possible |
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| 11:38.49 | petn-randall | ychaouche: Also things in your .bashrc are not executed, and many other things. |
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| 11:40.53 | ychaouche | https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/2dfae98850f301f24e6f415f5a596046 |
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| 11:42.03 | ychaouche | maybe it's not running the same versions of awk |
| 11:42.28 | ychaouche | but it also seems that sed isn't doing the same substitutions |
| 11:42.39 | hostmania | i believe microcode for intel cpu is non-free, are you guys updating cpu microcode? |
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| 11:45.39 | petn-randall | ychaouche: For starters, you need to use absolute paths, so /bin/sed, /usr/bin/awk, etc. |
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| 11:45.59 | petn-randall | hostmania: Sure. You've got burned-in, older microcode on the CPU, anyway. |
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| 11:51.11 | ychaouche | petn-randall: I will try to call it with at to speed up the test process |
| 11:51.37 | ychaouche | since I can't find a way to simulate cron environement from the command line |
| 11:51.49 | ychaouche | I hope at is somewhat similar to cron |
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| 11:52.17 | tw | considering at runs from cron, it should be. |
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| 11:52.46 | themill | ychaouche: how are you calling it from cron? (what's the exact command) |
| 11:53.07 | ychaouche | themill: I have edited my crontab, I can not call it from cron |
| 11:53.25 | ychaouche | so crontab -e, add a line for my script. |
| 11:53.50 | ychaouche | tw: oh I didn't know that, thanks for mentioning it. |
| 11:54.01 | ychaouche | themill: I wish I could though. |
| 11:54.32 | themill | I was hoping to see the exact command used :( |
| 11:54.35 | ychaouche | interesting : sed is in /bin, but awk is in /usr/bin |
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| 11:55.09 | ychaouche | themill: the line from the crontab ? |
| 11:55.14 | themill | yes |
| 11:55.24 | ychaouche | # ==================================== MAILCOP ============================================ |
| 11:55.26 | ychaouche | 20 06 * * * /root/SCRIPTS/MAIL/mailcop-mailer > /tmp/mailcop-cron-out |
| 11:55.44 | themill | thanks, that rules out sh vs bash |
| 11:56.05 | ychaouche | so that's sh ? |
| 11:56.39 | ychaouche | but wouldn't it matter because the script starts with #!/bin/bash anyways ? |
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| 12:01.57 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 12:02.03 | petn-randall | ychaouche: Nope. 'sh script.sh' is different from './script.sh'. |
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| 12:15.13 | ychaouche | What's reading the first line of a script then ? |
| 12:15.31 | ychaouche | oh, bash ? |
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| 12:16.55 | ychaouche | I got it run from at now I have the correct output, except I have extra "-e"s printed whenever the line echo -e is executed. |
| 12:17.07 | shtrb|work | shebang has more into it than just reading a line |
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| 12:18.35 | BCMM | ychaouche: it's actually the kernel that reads #! directives |
| 12:19.16 | shtrb|work | BCMM , april fool had passed some time ago |
| 12:19.47 | ychaouche | :D |
| 12:19.57 | themill | ychaouche: you have a typo in your script: $REGX_IP |
| 12:19.59 | BCMM | shtrb|work: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/fs/binfmt_script.c |
| 12:20.14 | ychaouche | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/4fe04b06c6c864d7cd2b6389d714d617/raw/78299b31c29a2fa1b2db0a42951443e7517fc390/gistfile1.txt |
| 12:20.21 | Iridos | there is no "-e" in the script you linked to⦠|
| 12:21.16 | ychaouche | oh thanks a ton themill ! |
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| 12:21.46 | shtrb|work | BCMM , kernel support for scripts is not general script handling |
| 12:21.53 | BCMM | shtrb|work: for all i know, there may *also* be shells which process #! internally, but if, for example, you exec() a shell script in C code, what do you think starts the interpreter? |
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| 12:22.25 | themill | ychaouche: you should always add set -u and set -e to your sh scripts. Also when you get that level of complexity, you probably want to rewrite in python or perl using that language's geoiplookup module |
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| 12:24.45 | ychaouche | themill: can I somehow run my scripts with bash ? |
| 12:25.03 | ychaouche | for example : bash /path/to/my/script <--- in the cron |
| 12:25.38 | shtrb|work | BCMM, if the kerenl would have interpenetrated each call to a shell script you would have been getting lots of oopses during run time. normally a userspace application (a systemcall interacts with the kernel but normally will never cause execution directly there). |
| 12:25.47 | themill | ychaouche: you've already got the #! there |
| 12:26.18 | BCMM | shtrb|work: i'm not saying the kernel interprets the actual script, if that's what you're implying |
| 12:26.53 | Iridos | ychaouche, I don't see a difference in output if called from cron or not for your script⦠looks like the one you see in cron |
| 12:26.54 | BCMM | shtrb|work: i'm saying that it's responsible for examining a #! and starting the appropriate (userspace) interpreter |
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| 12:28.44 | BCMM | shtrb|work: if you don't believe me, look at man 2 execve, section "Interpreter scripts" |
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| 12:31.31 | MadMux | good advice... good advice... |
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| 12:32.58 | ychaouche | Iridos: when run from cron, it can't get the countries right. |
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| 12:33.36 | ychaouche | https://i.imgur.com/wh4iF3Z.png |
| 12:34.25 | ychaouche | and when run from at I get yet another behavior (different from cron) |
| 12:35.15 | ychaouche | https://imgur.com/a/3MNAC |
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| 12:35.45 | ychaouche | Here's how I run it from at : at "now + 1 minutes" -f /root/SCRIPTS/MAIL/mailcop-mailer |
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| 12:38.10 | kryl | hi |
| 12:38.24 | ychaouche | o/ |
| 12:38.41 | dogui | is there any explanation on the `beep` vulnerability? |
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| 12:40.15 | petn-randall | dogui: If you set it suid, you can escalate privileges with it. |
| 12:40.33 | themill | ychaouche: no-one knows what you're running |
| 12:40.54 | dogui | petn-randall: but how? I haven't seen any further description |
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| 12:41.15 | ychaouche | themill: how can I show you ? |
| 12:41.22 | themill | pastebin the actual script |
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| 12:42.30 | Iridos | he did⦠https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/2dfae98850f301f24e6f415f5a596046 |
| 12:42.36 | Iridos | but guess that's not the current version anymore |
| 12:42.41 | themill | quite |
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| 12:43.03 | petn-randall | dogui: I think it's not documented to allow people to update their machines. But if you're really curious, you can just diff the source code of 1.3-4 and 1.3-4+deb9u1 and make your own conclusions. |
| 12:43.26 | Iridos | also⦠you seem to not have used the same input for both of your outputs in that pastebin |
| 12:43.51 | Iridos | at least, 172.16.10.222 is not in your input ⦠|
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| 12:44.39 | ychaouche | complete script : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/7328c236dd1dc57f73080539dec5f170 |
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| 12:45.38 | ychaouche | sorry for the confusion : the first script was only small portion of code where the error happened. Then I got another problem with echo but in another greater script which I didn't paste... |
| 12:45.53 | dogui | petn-randall: thanks, just looked at it |
| 12:45.55 | ychaouche | the greater script calls the smallest one. |
| 12:46.11 | dogui | petn-randall: seems maybe a use-after-close on a FD, but don't take my word for it : ) |
| 12:46.47 | petn-randall | dogui: It's also unusual for it to get fixed in stable/oldstable before sid, guess it was urgent. |
| 12:47.20 | petn-randall | dogui: If you don't have it suid, you should be safe, though. It's a debconf question during installation. |
| 12:48.28 | petn-randall | "Since each program set as suid root can be a security risk this is not done by default. However, the program is quite small (~150 lines of code), so it is fairly easy to verify the safety of the code yourself, if you don't trust the package maintainer's judgement." |
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| 12:48.43 | petn-randall | I guess you can also have CVE-worthy bugs in 150 lines of code ... :) |
| 12:49.39 | tw | industry average is 5 per thousand loc, right? |
| 12:49.49 | tw | not CVE-level but bugs in general. |
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| 12:50.13 | BCMM | bugs, or security bugs? |
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| 12:50.33 | BCMM | for just bugs, per se, it seems kinda low |
| 12:50.48 | tw | That's after testing in released code. |
| 12:50.59 | shtrb|work | BCMM, well call me win10user and hit me with a LDD, because (https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/fs/exec.c#L1616 and https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/fs/exec.c#L1669 ) seem to show I had a missunderstanding how loading actually works - sorry I was wrong |
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| 12:51.36 | BCMM | shtrb|work: heh np |
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| 12:52.03 | BCMM | shtrb|work: but it's kind of the whole point of #! scripts - they work (almost) exactly like real binaries do |
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| 12:52.33 | BCMM | if you have a program that calls an external utility, it doesn't need to know whether it's calling a script or a binary |
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| 12:54.38 | BCMM | shtrb|work: also of interest is that they came surprisingly late - unix v8 and 4.2bsd |
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| 12:56.27 | BCMM | before that, plenty of standard unix commands were shell scripts (even stuff that's a binary now, like /bin/true), but they worked differently. the shell just had special handling for any text file with an executable bit |
| 12:56.46 | BCMM | (which, obviously, didn't permit a choice of interpreters, and didn't work with exec) |
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| 12:57.21 | tw | Can bash be configured to check execution permissions before sourcing an input file? |
| 12:57.42 | tw | it seems like because of the way the loader works and permissions are checked, no. |
| 12:59.56 | Iridos | would we want it to? |
| 13:00.25 | Iridos | and would it make sense to have a difference between bash script and bash < script ? |
| 13:00.29 | tw | I would. Then if a user can't +x a script, they can't run arbitrary commands w/o opening an input. |
| 13:00.35 | tw | And you can prevent that. |
| 13:00.59 | tw | by only allowing execve and not exec |
| 13:01.10 | Iridos | they can always do bash < script (see above) |
| 13:01.16 | Iridos | or enter commands themselves⦠|
| 13:01.17 | tw | no, because they don't have a shell. |
| 13:01.33 | Iridos | but then they cannot do "bash script" either |
| 13:01.39 | petn-randall | wonders about the use case where that would help. |
| 13:01.56 | petn-randall | s/help/gain something/ |
| 13:02.21 | tw | A good example is running a program from a cgi. |
| 13:02.36 | Iridos | me neither⦠either they can run bash or they cannot⦠|
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| 13:03.11 | tw | if you use exec(), you get a shell interpreter, but if you use execve, you don't get indirection or other command line magics. |
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| 13:03.36 | tw | So you can totally /bin/bash /somefile, but not /bin/bash </somefile |
| 13:03.59 | BCMM | tw: /bin/bash /somefile is not sourcing |
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| 13:04.18 | tw | it's not, but you can't do an exec check there either. |
| 13:04.47 | alkisg | echo "echo hi" > /tmp/hi; bash /tmp/hi => hi. No execute bit needed.. |
| 13:04.54 | BCMM | tw: also, it seems like you're concerned about a situation where users are able to execute bash with arbitrary command line parameters |
| 13:05.05 | BCMM | in that situation, it does not make sense to attempt to limit what actions they can perform |
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| 13:05.34 | tw | I'm not perfect, I'm eventually going to make a mistake that allows unexpected command expansion. |
| 13:05.39 | Iridos | well, maybe it does⦠make things a little harder⦠but I would agree⦠not by much |
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| 13:06.15 | BCMM | tw: and if you do, the user isn't going to need to find a shell script to do the bad thing |
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| 13:07.05 | BCMM | tw: because you can still do bash -c "ruin -rf everything" |
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| 13:07.36 | tw | BCMM: possibly not, and ideally it'd be a wide enough spread idea that all script interpreters would need to check executability of included or sourced scripts. |
| 13:07.40 | Iridos | you might not be able to use quotes that way from a cgi⦠so it might be just that little unfortunate bit that lets you not break in that way |
| 13:08.12 | Iridos | but probably that just means you have to work a little harder to use that potential bug |
| 13:08.17 | BCMM | tw: right, but checking permissions on commands provided via bash -c doesn't make sense |
| 13:08.31 | tw | No, you've got me there, that doesn't make sense. |
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| 13:10.11 | tw | Though I suspect I could disable the -c option with a linux security policy extension. |
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| 13:10.48 | Iridos | you could disable cgi-bin :-} |
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| 13:11.09 | tw | I could turn my computer off too. Also a good option these days -_-; |
| 13:12.29 | Iridos | Also, I always saw it as a feature, that bash can run all readable files |
| 13:12.52 | Iridos | and btw. you cannot exececute a bash script that is not readable, even if the executable bit is set |
| 13:13.29 | Iridos | $ ./bla ---> /bin/bash: ./bla: Permission denied |
| 13:13.48 | Iridos | the kernel reads the first line with #!/bin/bash ⦠but then bash cannot read the file |
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| 13:14.13 | Iridos | that is on ⦠-wx--x--x 1 29 Apr 4 15:11 bla |
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| 13:15.00 | tw | okay, that opens up a somewhat convoluted way to solve my problem: don't let any image running as that user other than the cgi handler open any file in the cgi-writable area. |
| 13:15.05 | BCMM | Iridos: wait, surely I can't determine the interpreter of a script i can't read that way? |
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| 13:15.30 | Iridos | BCMM, ? |
| 13:15.32 | tw | you can't, kernel can. |
| 13:15.42 | Iridos | sure⦠I just did |
| 13:16.16 | BCMM | oh, but you'd have to have execute permission on the script anyway |
| 13:16.26 | Iridos | /bin/sh: 0: Can't open ./bla |
| 13:16.31 | BCMM | and execute permission but no read permission makes little enough sense that this isn't really a problem. got it. |
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| 13:17.03 | Iridos | execute permission but no read permission makes sense on C programs that you don't want people to copy |
| 13:18.27 | jelly | C is for "compiled" |
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| 13:24.54 | tw | At the most basic level, I want to be able to intuitively say "this file won't get interpreted because it doesn't have execute enabled." |
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| 13:25.09 | tw | And yes, there's a ton of ways around that, but that's what I'd like to have. |
| 13:25.30 | BCMM | there are *so* many ways around it that it's barely even meaningful |
| 13:26.01 | tw | And I'd consider that part of the problem that needs to be addressed and not necessarily a reason to block it. |
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| 13:32.45 | Iridos | well, don't use scripts for cgi, only binaries⦠and don't have them call bash |
| 13:33.21 | Iridos | I'd also see generally sanitizing user input as a much more useful tool there⦠|
| 13:34.00 | Iridos | what you suggest would only address a very very specific case ⦠and so could only prevent a tiny fraction of the total amount of possible exploits |
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| 13:35.00 | iateadonut | i've got slack running. i've also got dnsmasq that basically blocks all traffic to domain.tld's i haven't specifically allowed. |
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| 13:36.06 | noodlepie | Hello to the Debian users! |
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| 13:39.05 | ychaouche | no bashdb for debian ? |
| 13:39.10 | ychaouche | hello noodlepie |
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| 13:40.18 | tw | Iridos: you can further extend the idea into .so files, you should not be able to load non-executable binaries into executable memory. |
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| 13:40.47 | noodlepie | Hi ychaouche |
| 13:40.51 | noodlepie | How's it going. |
| 13:41.11 | nemo | so. a friend of mine just tried wget https://www.sos.arkansas.gov/ in Debian 7.11 - it failed due to certificate error. I was wondering if due to the imminent end of life of Debian 7 if you guys had stopped doing TLS/ca-certificate updates |
| 13:41.53 | jelly | ychaouche: bashdb? |
| 13:42.01 | nemo | I mean disabling cert validation is a workaround in this case. even if it's not a safe thing to do in general |
| 13:42.12 | BCMM | jelly: i guess he means irc quotes database, like bash.org |
| 13:42.14 | ychaouche | jelly: I don't know it seems to be a bash debugger |
| 13:42.25 | ychaouche | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bashdb |
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| 13:42.39 | ychaouche | heard about it in here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4984725/how-to-test-a-weekly-cron-job/20827531#20827531 |
| 13:42.45 | BCMM | or, or BashDB, that would make sense too |
| 13:43.07 | nemo | I guess on another front... is there anyone here still on Debian 7.11 who could confirm this behaviour? |
| 13:43.11 | nemo | the cert itself seems normal |
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| 13:44.05 | BCMM | this fried definitely has the date and time set correctly, right? |
| 13:44.24 | jelly | nemo: yes, fails with |
| 13:44.26 | jelly | ERROR: The certificate of `www.sos.arkansas.gov' is not trusted. |
| 13:44.26 | jelly | ERROR: The certificate of `www.sos.arkansas.gov' hasn't got a known issuer. |
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| 13:46.17 | nemo | jelly: ok. so it's not due to any failure to update on his part |
| 13:46.18 | jelly | nemo: and installing ca-certificates_20161130+nmu1_all.deb from stretch does NOT fix that issue |
| 13:46.22 | nemo | jelly: nice |
| 13:46.29 | nemo | jelly: 2016 O_o |
| 13:46.43 | jelly | ,v ca-certificates |
| 13:46.44 | judd | Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 20130119+deb7u2; jessie: 20141019+deb8u3; stretch: 20161130+nmu1; buster: 20170717; sid: 20170717 |
| 13:46.57 | nemo | jelly: so. guess at some point in past year or so debian has kinda decided certs are not work backporting ⺠|
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| 13:47.02 | jelly | nemo: CA roots do not change _that_ often |
| 13:47.18 | nemo | jelly: wow. that's just bizarre though. certs are like trivial to backport right? is there any distro differences to speak of? |
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| 13:47.22 | nemo | jelly: either a cert works or not... |
| 13:47.33 | nemo | jelly: even if some ancient version can't parse a CA, who cares if you package it for it? |
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| 13:47.41 | nemo | a CA's cert |
| 13:47.46 | colo-work | https://www.sos.arkansas.gov works for me (Debian stretch) in both firefox and with curl |
| 13:47.57 | nemo | colo-work: ok... and wget? |
| 13:48.04 | nemo | colo-work: which should just be using gnu tls same as curl |
| 13:48.16 | colo-work | no complaints from that either |
| 13:48.17 | nemo | colo-work: maybe wget is the one that is unmaintained. |
| 13:48.19 | nemo | hmmm |
| 13:48.29 | colo-work | nah, both should use the same list of trust anchors |
| 13:48.32 | nemo | colo-work: I don't know anything about debian code names. does stretch = 7? |
| 13:48.38 | colo-work | stretch = 9 |
| 13:48.41 | nemo | ah |
| 13:48.41 | colo-work | 7 = wheezy |
| 13:48.42 | nemo | haha |
| 13:48.48 | nemo | colo-work: ok. so. not too interesting then ⺠|
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| 13:48.53 | nemo | ofc 9 would be fine ð |
| 13:49.07 | nemo | well... 7 EOLs in 2 months |
| 13:49.23 | nemo | guess it's not worth fixing cert store in interim or something - but I bet it's been broken for a long time |
| 13:49.32 | jelly | nemo: so it's obviously not _just_ ca-certificates' fault |
| 13:49.46 | nemo | oh? |
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| 13:49.58 | nemo | jelly: ah. I see |
| 13:50.09 | nemo | jelly: your point was that you're using ca-certificate from stretch and it still fails |
| 13:50.17 | jelly | yes |
| 13:50.33 | nemo | jelly: I found an old (closed) debian bug from 2011 closed in 2013 with same symptoms that required updating to gnutls 1.3 |
| 13:50.51 | nemo | jelly: maybe it's something similar. again. that is, simply using an ancient tls - but that's weird since you'd think the entire system would have that issue |
| 13:51.01 | nemo | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652480 |
| 13:51.02 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/652480 in wget (closed): «wget: Fails to verify SSL server certificate»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-12-17; last modified: 2013-11-01. |
| 13:51.23 | jelly | not ancient TLS, that's the protocol, ancient gnutls (an implementation) |
| 13:51.33 | nemo | jelly: yeah. sorry. that's what I meant ⺠|
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| 13:51.47 | nemo | jelly: but really I was thinking that the *implementation* was probably lacking more recent TLS changes |
| 13:51.50 | nemo | jelly: but who knows |
| 13:52.05 | nemo | like 1.2 or 1.3 - let's see what this site requires |
| 13:52.08 | nemo | checks ssllabs |
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| 13:56.02 | nemo | ssl labs says TLS 1.2 and 1.1, no 1.0 or 1.3 |
| 13:56.19 | nemo | and supports all the usual ciphers, including the ridiculously weak ones |
| 13:56.25 | tw | 1.3 is barely standardized, ignore for a few months at least. |
| 13:56.42 | nemo | find it hard to believe that Debian 7 would not support TLS 1.1 |
| 13:56.47 | nemo | https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.sos.arkansas.gov FWIW |
| 13:56.55 | jelly | I'd assume all the ssl stuff in debian 7 had TLS1.2 but... |
| 13:57.16 | nemo | maybe some handshake fail? |
| 13:57.35 | nemo | like. not recognising gnutls proposed protocols or something |
| 13:57.43 | tw | ^- most likely that. |
| 13:57.44 | jelly | get tshark/tcpdump, collect traffic and see what happens |
| 13:58.03 | nemo | heh. don't even have a debian-anything to try experimenting with |
| 13:58.10 | nemo | mostly came by to see if it was something simple and obv |
| 13:58.21 | nemo | dude I was trying to help only had the one linux machine and barely knows how to use a shell |
| 13:58.27 | jelly | or use curl and libcurl linked with openssl |
| 13:58.28 | nemo | all my machines are fine |
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| 13:58.58 | nemo | jelly: oh... I thought debian would use one ssl lib as standard, surely it's less complicated that way |
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| 14:00.06 | jelly | bwhahahaha! Ha-ha. Ha. Good one. *cries* |
| 14:00.09 | tw | I wouldn't be surprised if some linux systems had 3 or more tls implementations installed. |
| 14:00.32 | nemo | my wget is linked against openssl |
| 14:00.49 | jelly | nemo: then you're not running debian |
| 14:00.53 | nemo | yes |
| 14:01.00 | tw | I think the wget on debian opportunistically links whichever one it finds first. |
| 14:01.04 | nemo | mm |
| 14:01.12 | jelly | tw: no |
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| 14:01.23 | jelly | but there's libcurl3-gnutls and libcurl3 |
| 14:01.23 | tw | No? it's load time linked to gnutls? |
| 14:01.29 | tw | oh. |
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| 14:01.45 | jelly | oh, there's even a libcurl3-nss |
| 14:01.45 | tw | i see what you mean. |
| 14:01.57 | jelly | ,depends wget --release wheezy |
| 14:01.58 | judd | Package wget in wheezy/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.11), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.5), libgnutls26 (>= 2.12.17-0), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.10), libidn11 (>= 1.13), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), dpkg (>= 1.15.4) | install-info. |
| 14:02.38 | nemo | jelly: so... does curl actually work on wheezy? I could just tell him to do that |
| 14:02.57 | jelly | !tias |
| 14:02.57 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 14:03.02 | nemo | â¹ |
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| 14:03.15 | nemo | jelly: you had wheezy 7 handy. for me, it'd require standing up a whole new VM and installing |
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| 14:03.19 | nemo | was hoping you could just run the command |
| 14:03.52 | tw | Your friend/contact has a wheezy system. I'd hope they could do it. |
| 14:04.14 | jelly | this is why we usually ask the actual person with the problem to come ask things |
| 14:04.55 | jelly | nemo: I do, but I'm not going to downgrade ca-certificates |
| 14:05.03 | nemo | tw: ah... well he's really not very linux savvy - I was mostly asking him to wget shellscript and run it |
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| 14:05.32 | nemo | jelly: oh. well. wget is failing even w/ up to date ca-certs... it'd just be informative |
| 14:05.37 | nemo | but meh. I'll change it and ask him to rerun |
| 14:05.56 | nemo | jelly: does wget work with --no-check-certificates ? surely it'd still fail if it is protocol negotiation tho |
| 14:06.42 | nemo | hm.. looks like I have gnutls for gnupg and courier imap |
| 14:07.10 | jelly | it seems to work with --no-check-certificate yes |
| 14:07.10 | nemo | and... for some reason courier imap only accepts libressl and gnutls? huh... that's just bizarre |
| 14:07.13 | nemo | jelly: great |
| 14:07.23 | jelly | libressl is just a saner fork of openssl |
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| 14:08.11 | jelly | source-based distros would not have a lot of trouble migrating to that |
| 14:08.13 | nemo | jelly: yeah... I agree in principle |
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| 14:08.28 | nemo | jelly: but.... I'm hearing conflicting opinions on that lately |
| 14:08.33 | nemo | jelly: and. yeh. this is a gentoo box |
| 14:08.35 | kliptcowings | using antix and it has a config for my xbox remote by default? seems weird to me but i need to find and remove that so the controller can be used correctly in emulators and steam |
| 14:08.49 | Tenkawa | remembers gentoo days |
| 14:09.03 | Tenkawa | cringes at all source building |
| 14:09.10 | nemo | jelly: the opinion seems to be that openssl is getting more attention these days, so it totally won't suffer from sanity |
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| 14:09.24 | nemo | Tenkawa: eh. I don't find that to be a massive impediment - the only annoying one is seamonkey or firefox ⺠|
| 14:09.35 | nemo | Tenkawa: and don't even consider chromium - that's just... yeah... use binary for that |
| 14:09.53 | kliptcowings | locate xpad doesn't show any config files, just kernel stuff and a few .png |
| 14:09.57 | Tenkawa | nemo: extremely time consuming if you build it all yourself.. ie freebsd make world |
| 14:10.20 | Tenkawa | kliptcowings: did you run updatedb first? |
| 14:10.26 | nemo | Tenkawa: sure. but that's just an up front cost - this gentoo box in particualar has been running for 16 years |
| 14:10.33 | nemo | Tenkawa: including 3 hardware migrations ð |
| 14:10.43 | Tenkawa | nemo: heheheh :) |
| 14:10.44 | jelly | nemo: well curl with gnutls and default ca-certificates from wheezy _also_ works. It's just wget with same library that does not. |
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| 14:10.53 | nemo | jelly: wow. that's crazy |
| 14:11.20 | Tenkawa | bah on wget.. curl ftw |
| 14:11.21 | nemo | jelly: oh. one person in that bug report I linked to claimed that purging and reinstalling ca-certificates fixed that prior bug. which makes no sense whatsoever |
| 14:11.27 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 14:11.29 | kliptcowings | the one time antix ships with something working out of the box and i don't need or want it and can't find it... geez |
| 14:11.40 | nemo | Tenkawa: meh. I use both. TBH I mostly use wget out of lazy finger syndrom |
| 14:11.46 | nemo | Tenkawa: I just find the defaults more convenient |
| 14:11.49 | Tenkawa | kliptcowings: did you run updatedb first? |
| 14:11.55 | kliptcowings | need this xbox remote to quit acting like a mouse even when i map it in zsnes |
| 14:12.00 | nemo | Tenkawa: I could probably just replace wget w/ a shell wrapper to curl but haven't gotten around to it |
| 14:12.16 | nemo | Tenkawa: and... let's not forget plenty of distro stuff still uses it. so making sure it works ok still makes sense |
| 14:12.35 | Tenkawa | nemo: let me catch up.. what "is" happening |
| 14:12.53 | nemo | 09:41 < nemo> so. a friend of mine just tried wget https://www.sos.arkansas.gov/ in Debian 7.11 - it failed due to certificate error. |
| 14:12.59 | Tenkawa | i entered in half problem |
| 14:14.11 | kliptcowings | Tenkawa, I think i did, but i am running it now just to make suer |
| 14:14.29 | Tenkawa | did he send you full cert error? |
| 14:14.39 | Tenkawa | I have another thought |
| 14:14.53 | Tenkawa | but i need to see something too big to paste in chan |
| 14:15.21 | kliptcowings | https://pastebin.com/3ESk5DJn |
| 14:15.38 | Tenkawa | kliptcowings: that was directed to nemo but I'll look at yours too |
| 14:15.45 | kliptcowings | does any of that seem like it could be a config file? and is that what is likely configuring the remote |
| 14:15.48 | kliptcowings | okay lol |
| 14:15.49 | jelly | nemo: more interestingly, strace -eopen wget ... shows it reads all the certs in /etc/ssl/certs, but strace -eopen curl reads exactly the right one |
| 14:16.00 | nemo | jelly: huh. |
| 14:16.40 | Tenkawa | kliptcowings: so whats failing? |
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| 14:16.45 | nemo | Tenkawa: no, but seems like jelly is reproducing it easily. and even w/ a debian "stretch" ca certs |
| 14:16.56 | n4dir | kliptcowings: a command i hardly use, but "whereis xpad" might give a hint. |
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| 14:17.35 | themill | nemo: feeding wget the entire cert chain as a pem (--ca-certificate=their.pem) works fine in wheezy |
| 14:17.56 | nemo | themill: so. it's hitting a bad cert (or one it thinks is bad) in /etc/ssl/certs and aborting |
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| 14:18.08 | nemo | wonder how curl finds the right one - by file name? |
| 14:18.09 | themill | istr older wget doesn't follow chains |
| 14:18.14 | Tenkawa | my "advice" would be to purge ca-certificates and re apt-get it |
| 14:18.22 | Tenkawa | on that machine |
| 14:18.28 | nemo | Tenkawa: yeah. that's what someone said in the last report of a similar bug |
| 14:18.33 | jelly | Tenkawa: does not make any difference |
| 14:18.35 | petn-randall | Wasn't it reproducible by jelly? |
| 14:18.43 | Tenkawa | jelly: i agree it shouldnt |
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| 14:18.59 | jelly | also, purging ca-certs is silly |
| 14:19.03 | Tenkawa | and its working fine here |
| 14:19.06 | petn-randall | FTR, `wget -O /dev/null https://www.sos.arkansas.gov/` works fine on buster. |
| 14:19.15 | Tenkawa | but purging will at least clean the chain |
| 14:19.24 | petn-randall | Tenkawa: What release are you running? |
| 14:19.26 | jelly | what chain? |
| 14:19.30 | Tenkawa | petn-randall: buster is way newer though |
| 14:19.42 | Tenkawa | petn-randall: I have several test installs |
| 14:19.49 | Tenkawa | i tried 3 diff ones |
| 14:19.53 | themill | Tenkawa: not actually helping btw |
| 14:19.57 | jelly | gnutls seems not to care about the bundle at all; it reads each cert in CApath separately |
| 14:20.07 | Tenkawa | let me try my stretch one |
| 14:20.13 | petn-randall | ... |
| 14:20.38 | jelly | (and with curl, it actually only reads |
| 14:20.39 | jelly | open("/etc/ssl/certs/157753a5.0", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 4 |
| 14:20.39 | Tenkawa | too many of mine are modified |
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| 14:21.14 | kliptcowings | Tenkawa, basically i have a xbox remote that has some config and module loaded by default and it acts like a mouse when i move the analog around and when i map the remote to zsnes it doesn't work right because it is mapped already |
| 14:21.41 | jelly | nemo has curl as a workaround, so I'm going to do something less interesting now |
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| 14:21.56 | nemo | jelly: hehe |
| 14:22.12 | nemo | jelly: fair 'nuff - and yeah, if Debian 7 is EOL'd in 2 months, it's hardly worth burning more time on |
| 14:22.32 | Tenkawa | wget is working fine here |
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| 14:22.37 | nemo | I gave him the curl syntax. if he can figure out how to edit the file in nano - I might have to edit it for him |
| 14:23.14 | Tenkawa | oops.. wrong one.. thats my sid box |
| 14:23.21 | jelly | nemo: curl | sed | sudo bash? :-) |
| 14:23.24 | jelly | hides |
| 14:23.28 | nemo | lol |
| 14:23.28 | Tenkawa | dont have my stretch one booted |
| 14:23.51 | kliptcowings | is there a fast way to blacklist the xpad module with modprobe? |
| 14:24.02 | Tenkawa | (my normal desk is occupied and no room to get all my gear out) |
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| 14:24.07 | themill | Tenkawa: none of this is actually helping |
| 14:24.51 | Tenkawa | themill: well.. it does prove that it could very possibly be environmental |
| 14:24.59 | themill | Tenkawa: no |
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| 14:25.10 | jelly | !blacklist |
| 14:25.10 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 14:25.49 | Tenkawa | nemo: either way good luck though. |
| 14:25.58 | kliptcowings | thanks dpkg |
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| 14:26.37 | nemo | Tenkawa: yeah. thanks. I gave him wget --no-check-certificates and the curl syntax with s/-O/-o/ and s/-U/-A/ - it's up to him now |
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| 14:28.43 | wchance | Can anyone recommend a opensource mail server for small business? |
| 14:29.07 | nemo | courier? |
| 14:29.11 | nemo | my personal preference |
| 14:29.23 | wchance | Ok thanks let me look at that project |
| 14:29.25 | wchance | thanks again |
| 14:29.28 | brw | I use postfix |
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| 14:29.38 | iodev | brw, postfix is the best |
| 14:29.41 | nemo | heh |
| 14:29.46 | iodev | only the worst for configing :D |
| 14:29.58 | brw | hah, people who say that never configured sendmail |
| 14:30.00 | iodev | there should be a simple MTA |
| 14:30.06 | brw | was a 90's admin. |
| 14:30.15 | nemo | iodev: ack. sorry. you're right. I use courier for IMAP(S) and postfix for MTA |
| 14:30.18 | iodev | brw, respect! |
| 14:30.30 | nemo | iodev: I agree w/ you postfix is best. can I plead ambiguity of the question? ⺠|
| 14:30.30 | iodev | nemo, that is called MDA (Mail Delivery Agent) |
| 14:30.33 | nemo | ack |
| 14:30.34 | iodev | IMAP is the protocol |
| 14:30.49 | nemo | iodev: ok. I also suck at the abbreviations apparently |
| 14:30.55 | iodev | doesn't matter |
| 14:30.55 | nemo | iodev: I thought MTA was the smtpd |
| 14:31.09 | nemo | iodev: and courier-imap was the MDA |
| 14:31.13 | nemo | so confused |
| 14:31.15 | iodev | MTA is smtp, smtpd is the part that receives in Postfix |
| 14:31.18 | BanHammor | I'm having a process hang in kernel mode seemingly forever, so debugging it via attaching gdb doesn't seem possible, what can i do to research where it gets stuck? |
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| 14:31.58 | iodev | nemo, okay, let's start from the beginning |
| 14:32.03 | nemo | iodev: anyway yeah. postfix forever - my config has been working happily for 2 decades w/ only minor tweaks from time to time to spam control rules. |
| 14:32.29 | iodev | so when you send a mail, postfix connects to port 25 on gmail.com (or wherever you want it) and says "I got an email for you" |
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| 14:32.59 | iodev | nemo, next, the receiving server (at gmail.com) 's postfix (smtpd) (if they use that) talks via unix sockets or whatever to dovecot (MDA) |
| 14:33.10 | iodev | "Here, put this in user X's mailbox" |
| 14:33.21 | nemo | iodev: ok. so I DID have the right terminology |
| 14:33.23 | iodev | next Mr. X connects to dovecot via IMAP and gets his mail |
| 14:33.34 | nemo | iodev: MDA for courier-imap and MTA for postfix is what I use and thus recommend |
| 14:33.54 | nemo | and I guess MUA would be thunderbird or whatever |
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| 14:34.02 | iodev | they're all inter-compatible |
| 14:34.05 | nemo | whatever his corporation perfers |
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| 14:34.08 | nemo | *prefers |
| 14:34.20 | iodev | you can use mailinabox :D |
| 14:34.27 | iodev | if you don't value your clients safety :D |
| 14:34.53 | iodev | otherwise, manual configuration, making sure to harden the server, can take even 3 hours : |
| 14:35.23 | iodev | nemo, also, as a company you always want a reputable sys admins |
| 14:35.32 | iodev | one who doesn't "cat /var/mail" |
| 14:35.53 | iodev | one with dignity :D |
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| 14:36.30 | nemo | iodev: it's funny how many bots out there try to use IMAP/SMTP to attack ssh |
| 14:36.39 | iodev | there are some that use encfs |
| 14:36.43 | nemo | iodev: like I'm really going to use same creds for both... |
| 14:36.53 | nemo | but can see the pattern in my logs |
| 14:36.54 | jelly | 3 hours? Why have I spent years doing mail admin stuff |
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| 14:37.03 | iodev | jelly, 3 hours to set it up |
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| 14:37.10 | iodev | maintenance is worse :D |
| 14:37.17 | nemo | jelly: well hopefully because you are pulling in $$ from dozens of clients |
| 14:37.19 | iodev | plus, this is for 1 person mail server or so |
| 14:37.22 | jelly | iodev: how does MDA unlock encfs for delivery, two keys? |
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| 14:37.34 | iodev | jelly, that's the flaw in such systems |
| 14:37.41 | iodev | the key is on the server, it unlocks on server boot |
| 14:37.54 | noodlepie | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/VUO4P5rSEucxEBqob2Vx/ for some log output |
| 14:38.05 | iodev | it's security-theater |
| 14:38.08 | iodev | jelly |
| 14:38.31 | jelly | eh |
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| 14:38.40 | nemo | iodev: guess it has value if someone physically walks off with the box |
| 14:38.44 | nemo | iodev: or carelessly trashes it |
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| 14:38.53 | iodev | nemo, on a Cloud server :D |
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| 14:38.59 | nemo | ew |
| 14:39.10 | iodev | nemo, the cloud is the future |
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| 14:39.44 | iodev | get with the 21st century, no more sleeping to fans whirring, no more!!!! |
| 14:39.49 | nemo | iodev: have fun w/ rowhammer from the VM next door (and maybe spectre and meltdown too - esp meltdown) |
| 14:40.00 | iodev | my provider patched |
| 14:40.07 | nemo | they didn't patch rowhammer I'm sure |
| 14:40.25 | nemo | iodev: costs too much to offer dedicated memory |
| 14:40.33 | iodev | DigitalOcean patched meltdown, rowhammer is RAM thing, RAM is isolated |
| 14:40.45 | nemo | iodev: is it really! digitalocean does not share ram? |
| 14:40.55 | nemo | iodev: figured most cloud providers did to save money |
| 14:40.58 | iodev | I mean Rowhammer is quickly flipping bits to make the ram have a mistake |
| 14:41.15 | nemo | iodev: yesss? and? |
| 14:41.17 | iodev | a bit improperly set, I don't see how this could affect me |
| 14:41.29 | iodev | first of all, that'd be only in his KVM machine |
| 14:41.33 | nemo | iodev: there are several practical demo attacks against 2 VMs on same machine |
| 14:41.42 | nemo | iodev: if your cloud server is dedicated you are fine |
| 14:41.55 | nemo | or does not share memory to increase number of VMs on machine |
| 14:41.58 | jelly | points gently toward #debian-offtopic |
| 14:42.14 | nemo | ok ok |
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| 14:42.34 | iodev | nemo come to offtopic, by dedicated you mean, only me on hypervisor? |
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| 14:49.35 | annadane | how can i diagnose no sound for an application in wine? there isn't any sound in both wine and wine-development |
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| 14:50.45 | annadane | never mind; fixed it |
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| 14:51.11 | petn-randall | annadane: How did you fix it? |
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| 14:52.53 | me7zg3r | Greetings! Can someone help me with a special case of grub edit? :) |
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| 14:53.37 | teclo- | uhhhh you don't edit grub ! You got scripts and tools, they edit grub for you |
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| 14:53.43 | teclo- | or well they edit /boot/grub.cfg |
| 14:53.50 | me7zg3r | that is correct, I'm working on 40_custom |
| 14:53.59 | me7zg3r | can't get it to work though |
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| 14:54.34 | me7zg3r | teclo-, are u up to help? |
| 14:54.38 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 14:54.38 | annadane | so i thought i had ran it both in wine and wine-development, but i then switched the default wine application to wine instead of wine-development and it generated the config file, it may work on both if you set either one as the default and allow it to generate config (also i had switched it from windows xp to windows 10, the application may only have sound in windows 10, the updated config may have updated to reflect |
| 14:54.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:54.38 | annadane | that) |
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| 14:55.13 | me7zg3r | Oh, hi, annadane! |
| 14:55.18 | me7zg3r | Nice to see ya again |
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| 14:56.08 | annadane | yeah so indeed if i set the wine default to wine-development, it generates the initial config and the application works with sound, in other words i get sound in both wine and wine-development now which as i said may be a consequence of switching it to windows 10 |
| 14:56.11 | teclo- | me7zg3r: indeed working on 40_custom is the right way |
| 14:56.27 | me7zg3r | thank you :) |
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| 14:56.49 | me7zg3r | Anne, do you need some help? |
| 14:56.57 | me7zg3r | i've been messing around with wine some time ago |
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| 14:57.07 | annadane | no, i fixed my own issue |
| 14:57.22 | me7zg3r | i'm looking into how to hook up kernels to boot clonezilla from hdd partition |
| 14:57.39 | me7zg3r | I've made an ext4 bootable partition with clonezilla.iso in it |
| 14:57.43 | annadane | wine just lags a little behind generating a new config sometimes and you need to make sure it actually does it, apparently by switching the default wine application |
| 14:57.49 | me7zg3r | now i'm trying to make the system grub recognize it |
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| 14:58.17 | me7zg3r | that's the right way to think, since it may only generate config on the switch |
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| 14:59.14 | me7zg3r | now, I know how to do it the dirty way -- just make it CSM-bootable and choose to boot the hdd |
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| 14:59.28 | me7zg3r | I just want to make it clean via the grub2 for the OS |
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| 15:00.47 | mmturk | how do i switch to network manager to manage networks? "systemctl enable/start NetworkManager" doesn't work |
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| 15:01.14 | me7zg3r | let me search on that |
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| 15:01.38 | mmturk | i did a minimal install initially, i believe systemd networkd is active |
| 15:02.02 | me7zg3r | you can check that with grep, right? |
| 15:02.34 | me7zg3r | try network-manager apt install --reinstall? |
| 15:02.38 | me7zg3r | i'm a newbie sorry |
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| 15:07.15 | annadane | i'm not sure why wine has 3 entries in update-alternatives |
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| 15:08.14 | me7zg3r | 3 forks maybe? |
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| 15:08.37 | me7zg3r | btw what do you need wine for? |
| 15:08.44 | annadane | a game |
| 15:09.01 | me7zg3r | I've installed CS:GO on steam runtime and it went well :D |
| 15:09.21 | jelly | but which game?!?! |
| 15:09.26 | me7zg3r | I mean sometimes there are options to have it ok w/o wine |
| 15:09.40 | me7zg3r | in the #grub noone is answering my questions, gotta learn dem manuals |
| 15:10.18 | petn-randall | me7zg3r: You might want to just use 'grub-imageboot', that'll do all the details for you. |
| 15:10.36 | me7zg3r | thank you for the hint, petn |
| 15:10.48 | petn-randall | me7zg3r: petn<tab> |
| 15:11.00 | me7zg3r | petn-randall, aha |
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| 15:34.57 | me7zg3r | the grub-imageboot thing didn't work out, petn-randall |
| 15:35.16 | me7zg3r | update-grub recognized the img, though |
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| 15:36.49 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 15:36.50 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 15:36.59 | me7zg3r | haha :D |
| 15:37.25 | me7zg3r | I have it as a menuentry and it get's stuck, I wonder if there is a log file for that as I had to poweroff the machine from that state |
| 15:38.00 | teclo- | hey guys you should add to dpkg !doesntwork "Does it have a rich husband ?" |
| 15:38.11 | nemo | hum |
| 15:38.15 | me7zg3r | i've found this to be relevant to my problem as I'm also trying to boot a live thing https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/12/msg01027.html |
| 15:38.26 | me7zg3r | clonezilla live to be precise |
| 15:38.46 | me7zg3r | "Does it use darknet? :^) |
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| 15:40.55 | me7zg3r | here is a non-text-only link https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.debian.user/J_-ILs-EcvQ |
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| 15:43.38 | jelly | trying to preseed libpam-runtime/profiles and run pam-auth-update, but it resets the value somehow. How do I debug it? "perl -d /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update --package" just runs the thing, presumably due to debconf shenanigans and process restart |
| 15:45.25 | David_Hedlund | Why isn't bitcoin-qt or bitcoin-core packaged for Debian? |
| 15:45.38 | me7zg3r | ain't familiar with debugging, jelly |
| 15:45.58 | me7zg3r | David_Hedlund, cannot know that |
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| 15:47.24 | me7zg3r | i've tried grml-rescueboot, doesn't accomplish the task either |
| 15:47.49 | me7zg3r | both see the iso, yet menuentry does nothing, except with grub-imageboot I got stuck and grml throws me back at the menu |
| 15:48.54 | petn-randall | ,why is bitcoin-qt not in testing |
| 15:48.55 | judd | No package named 'is' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 15:49.18 | me7zg3r | ,why bitcoin-qt not in testing |
| 15:49.19 | judd | No package named 'bitcoin-qt' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 15:49.22 | petn-randall | !why is bitcoin-qt not in testing |
| 15:49.22 | dpkg | bitcoin-qt is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=bitcoin-qt |
| 15:49.26 | petn-randall | David_Hedlund: ^^^ |
| 15:49.36 | me7zg3r | excuses ^^ |
| 15:49.52 | petn-randall | David_Hedlund: The reasoning being that it needs to be updated regularly, and there's no LTS version. |
| 15:50.37 | jelly | found silly workaround: pretend to be a newly installed package. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/682662/comments/8 |
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| 15:50.56 | jelly | not found: way to perl -d a perl script that deals with debconf |
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| 15:51.06 | David_Hedlund | petn-randall: Thank you very much. |
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| 15:51.51 | me7zg3r | how about my question case? should I file it on linuxquestions? |
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| 15:52.48 | annadane | maybe or the mailing list: debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:53.16 | me7zg3r | I find it amazing that the community is tightly knit |
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| 15:54.08 | annadane | some of us are just addicted to irc and have nothing better to do |
| 15:54.23 | me7zg3r | still better than FB.com news |
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| 15:55.23 | me7zg3r | is it a common practice to switch from systemd to sysvinit on cinnamon? |
| 15:55.28 | greycat | no |
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| 15:55.42 | me7zg3r | i've been trying to switch from gnome to cinnamon and crashed the whole system couple of times so I'd better ask |
| 15:55.50 | greycat | The common practice is to use whatever the default is, which in this case happens to be systemd. |
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| 15:56.10 | me7zg3r | well gnome is supposed to be the default for debian and it reboots 2 min :D |
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| 15:56.27 | greycat | How does your choice of desktop environment intersect with your question about changing the init system? |
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| 15:56.56 | greycat | GNOME is not "the default", other than being pre-selected in tasksel in *some* of the installation images. |
| 15:56.58 | me7zg3r | that's a valid remark, I'm just sorting this as a similar tech. question I had on my mind previously, sorry |
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| 15:57.33 | me7zg3r | greycat, can you help me with imageboot? |
| 15:57.53 | greycat | Probably not. What is imageboot? Why did you pick me? |
| 15:58.11 | me7zg3r | I've asked the other people previously |
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| 15:58.18 | greycat | Stop asking people and ask the channel. |
| 15:58.23 | me7zg3r | gotcha |
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| 15:58.36 | greycat | !imageboot |
| 15:58.41 | me7zg3r | !imageboot |
| 15:58.44 | greycat | no, he doesn't know either. |
| 15:58.52 | me7zg3r | I'm trying to setup either grub-imageboot or grml-rescueboot to no avail, task is to mount a hdd partition as clonezilla live |
| 15:59.06 | me7zg3r | using clonezilla stable live .iso |
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| 16:00.18 | jelly | ,v grml-rescueboot |
| 16:00.19 | judd | Package: grml-rescueboot on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.2; jessie: 0.4.5; buster: 0.4.7; sid: 0.4.7; stretch: 0.4.7 |
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| 16:00.33 | jelly | isn't that supposed to Just Work⢠|
| 16:00.51 | me7zg3r | it is, it finds the iso succesfully, yet doesn't boot it, just throws me at menu again |
| 16:01.12 | jelly | the iso probably needs to have certain things to make chainloading work |
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| 16:01.42 | jelly | you might try asking in #grml |
| 16:01.48 | me7zg3r | aight, thanks |
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| 16:09.53 | Guest13412 | my terminal is repeating text |
| 16:09.57 | Guest13412 | on the same line |
| 16:10.07 | Guest13412 | how to fix |
| 16:10.13 | me7zg3r | could you please provide details |
| 16:10.21 | nkuttler | like, why should it not? |
| 16:10.27 | greycat | Lift your cat off of your keyboard. Next! |
| 16:10.34 | Guest13412 | yes |
| 16:10.36 | Guest13412 | solved |
| 16:10.49 | annadane | meow? |
| 16:10.56 | Guest13412 | i broke the cats legs |
| 16:11.03 | Guest13412 | he wont do it anymore |
| 16:11.05 | me7zg3r | posting bug report on cats on keyboard to the debian stretch subreddit |
| 16:11.23 | greycat | Seriously, if you want help, give some friggin' DETAILS. |
| 16:11.34 | Guest13412 | dooooooood |
| 16:11.41 | Guest13412 | same line !!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:11.48 | Guest13412 | reapeats on the same line |
| 16:11.52 | greycat | If you think you're amusing, you're incorrect. |
| 16:11.55 | Guest13412 | and erases itself |
| 16:12.07 | me7zg3r | can we !voteban someone here? |
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| 16:12.18 | paddy| | this is not ## |
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| 16:13.03 | petn-randall | Guest13412: Can you paste your terminal output on https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 16:13.25 | Guest13412 | ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 16:13.36 | greycat | When does this happen? |
| 16:13.56 | Guest13412 | see theres is no hostname? |
| 16:14.15 | Guest13412 | coz it got erases |
| 16:14.23 | Guest13412 | anyhow ill just google it |
| 16:14.24 | petn-randall | Guest13412: This is getting boring. If you won't answer our questions you will get muted. |
| 16:14.25 | greycat | We see that you typed "s" a lot. We know NOTHING else about your problem because you have not given any DETAILS yet. |
| 16:14.33 | Guest13412 | i think u guys r fkn monkeys |
| 16:14.36 | Guest13412 | bye |
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| 16:14.53 | petn-randall | !next |
| 16:14.53 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:15.08 | BanHammor | jesus. |
| 16:15.18 | me7zg3r | Can I ask a Linux, yet not Debian-related question here? |
| 16:15.20 | greycat | "hostname" might have been an attempt to refer to his shell prompt |
| 16:15.32 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 16:15.34 | greycat | but seriously, you can't be that stupid and use a Unix machine |
| 16:15.36 | jelly | me7zg3r: you can try |
| 16:15.37 | BanHammor | me7zg3r, probably, if the question is repeatable on debian |
| 16:15.51 | petn-randall | I doubt that person ran Debian, or had any interest in solving the issue. |
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| 16:16.33 | me7zg3r | I've accidentally nuked the gpt table for this hdd, so now I know I have information on the disk that isn't detectable, two ntfs disks and one ext4, is there a way to rescue the data? |
| 16:16.46 | me7zg3r | I've built a new gpt table to install the OS again |
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| 16:17.16 | jelly | if you recreate the exact same partition table the filesystems will be accessible again |
| 16:17.21 | BanHammor | you might be screwed on the part of the disk you wrote, but the rest can be salvaged by testdisk |
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| 16:18.21 | petn-randall | me7zg3r: Did you reboot since? If not, you can recover the GPT information from the kernel. |
| 16:18.27 | me7zg3r | unfortunately, I do not remember the exact sector start and end, though I haven't touched the approximate range, would testdisk work? |
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| 16:18.38 | jelly | me7zg3r: best steps forward depend on how precisely did you "nuke the gpt table", and whether you wrote anything onto the same disk |
| 16:18.39 | me7zg3r | I have rebooted numerous times, yes |
| 16:19.02 | BanHammor | it helped me in a similar situation, so you might as well try |
| 16:19.04 | me7zg3r | I've wrote partitions on the same disks trying not to touch the undetectable area |
| 16:19.12 | me7zg3r | thank you, BanHammor |
| 16:19.12 | petn-randall | me7zg3r: testdisk will tell you where possible partitions start and end. However, if you had other filesystem on there in the past, it might also detect those. |
| 16:19.22 | jelly | "gpart" can be used to search for and guess partition starts and lengths |
| 16:19.36 | jelly | oh, testdisk does the same thing? |
| 16:19.55 | me7zg3r | I'm better off with gpart though as it has integration with gparted |
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| 16:20.28 | jelly | I wouldn't trust any "integration" |
| 16:20.36 | jelly | YMMV, your data |
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| 16:21.01 | me7zg3r | gotcha |
| 16:21.21 | BanHammor | i don't think gpart bills itself as "integrating with gparted" |
| 16:21.23 | jelly | gpart used to be a separate tool, completely unrelated to gparted |
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| 16:21.37 | jelly | just a similar name |
| 16:21.46 | BanHammor | jelly, used to be? what happened? |
| 16:21.56 | me7zg3r | oh, that makes sense, I always wondered how do repositories deal with similar names |
| 16:22.14 | jelly | BanHammor: I do not know if anything happened |
| 16:22.28 | jelly | miht still be that way |
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| 16:22.47 | BanHammor | repos just make packages with dash signs |
| 16:22.54 | me7zg3r | it is just that gparted has the "need gpart for that" line that got me confused those projects are dev-related |
| 16:23.09 | BanHammor | like "chromium" used to refer to the shmup game, and now that's "chromium-bsu" |
| 16:23.20 | jelly | not at all. gparted uses a dozen different tools behind its pretty UI |
| 16:23.29 | me7zg3r | yeah and pacman refers to the game and not the package manager from arch (might be mistaken) |
| 16:24.07 | me7zg3r | how do packages get into the repositories? is it moderated to protect from malicious software? |
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| 16:24.28 | petn-randall | me7zg3r: yes, of course. |
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| 16:25.35 | petn-randall | me7zg3r: Only DDs (Debian Developers) can upload to the archive, and they have to contribute for months/years and need a reference from an existing DD to become one themselves. |
| 16:25.55 | me7zg3r | that's a nicely built "club" if I may say so myself |
| 16:26.06 | me7zg3r | side question: I remember repairing the DBus erorrs by installing the libicu.dev package, yet it took me hella lot of time to google that out, I don't understand the mechanism and it freaks me out a little bit |
| 16:26.08 | petn-randall | me7zg3r: And only the source gets uploaded, so DDs can't put malware in the binary, and have innocent source with it. |
| 16:26.23 | jelly | petn-randall: when did that (finally) happen? |
| 16:26.35 | jelly | source only uploads? |
| 16:27.01 | annadane | i never really liked the idea of arch users relying on the AUR |
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| 16:27.05 | annadane | though i know zero about it |
| 16:27.19 | me7zg3r | how can I start monitoring a window process to know it's not stuck? I have gpart /dev/sda running right now and I don't know whether it's stuck or not |
| 16:27.20 | petn-randall | me7zg3r: There's also an effort to make the whole archive build only reproducible, so that every build produces the same .deb. (identical bytes), so everyone can reproduce the archive independently. |
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| 16:27.52 | me7zg3r | that's a beautiful approach from a programming best-techniques standpoint |
| 16:28.10 | petn-randall | jelly: IIRC you can still upload the binary .deb, but it's just discarded and built again. |
| 16:28.14 | jelly | me7zg3r: open a separate shell and use monitoring tools to see if there's I/O or CPU activity from that process |
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| 16:28.51 | jelly | me7zg3r: for I/O: atop, vmstat 1, iostat -x 1; for cpu: top |
| 16:29.01 | jelly | petn-randall: that's nice |
| 16:29.26 | BanHammor | we do run into the halting problem though with CPU and I/O :) |
| 16:29.44 | annadane | me7zg3r, https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian https://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 16:29.56 | jelly | me7zg3r: if you see something using 100% io on /dev/sda, it's probably doing something |
| 16:29.58 | petn-randall | jelly: I recall reading about it, but https://wiki.debian.org/SourceOnlyUpload seems to not completely agree. |
| 16:30.25 | eugenmayer1 | i have a server being configured using DHCP. in syslog i see, that it is getting DHCP ack request about ever 15 minutes, again and again. Does this make any sense at all? https://www.pastiebin.com/5ac4fcfa97a53 |
| 16:30.26 | me7zg3r | thank you, annadane |
| 16:30.50 | me7zg3r | oh, here is a good one |
| 16:31.10 | me7zg3r | I recall installing custom conky configs, that's being done via git-cloning and installing the conky config |
| 16:31.11 | eugenmayer1 | an opnsense instance is running the DHCP server actually, seing that for some other servers too https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jmqzaQCRiaKxq8cuvbAPxlukdkc6rREM/view .. according to the DHCP configuration, the lease time is 2 hourse ( least ) and beside that, all those DHCP leases are static |
| 16:31.16 | me7zg3r | security-wise, is that a bad practice? |
| 16:32.43 | BanHammor | annadane, most aurs i've seen were either straight-from-upstream binary downloads or source-only downloads, with SHA sum checks and, occasionally, even GPG keys. |
| 16:32.50 | annadane | yeah that's fair |
| 16:33.17 | annadane | i have a lot of respect for arch as a project, they definitely do a lot of things properly |
| 16:33.20 | BanHammor | so theoretically, it can be secure, though i understand that it's probable not every user will inspect the PKGBUILD |
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| 16:34.04 | me7zg3r | it is just that they make the community "boil" a bit, compared to debian-based "calm" user-friendly workflow |
| 16:34.21 | petn-randall | BanHammor: "straight-from-upstream binary downloads" sounds like a really bad idea, IMHO. |
| 16:34.38 | BanHammor | it's what you do to install skype though |
| 16:34.45 | annadane | well, it's rolling compared to debian stable |
| 16:34.50 | annadane | different approaches |
| 16:34.51 | petn-randall | doesn't install skype on his main machine. |
| 16:34.53 | me7zg3r | skype sounds like a really bad idea too, tho, imho |
| 16:35.36 | Exagone313 | Hi, by default, can non-root users poweroff/restart? I'm using debian on a server, and I just thought about this potential problem. Thanks for your help. |
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| 16:36.08 | BanHammor | that's fair, but i can't say that everyone can go without instant messengers. |
| 16:36.19 | me7zg3r | I believe you can manage command-specific rights, although you can easily test that by checking the usergroups allowed to and/or login as non-root and test it extensively |
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| 16:36.24 | BanHammor | Exagone313, systemctl restart should work for everyone |
| 16:36.34 | BanHammor | (provided there are no other users logged on) |
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| 16:36.51 | Exagone313 | and how to prevent this? |
| 16:36.56 | annadane | skype isn't federated and therefore you need skype to talk to people using skype and microsoft and the nsa spy on your messages and blah blah blah federation is good promote federation so anyway off-topic |
| 16:37.01 | Exagone313 | maybe I should ask in #systemd, idk |
| 16:37.24 | me7zg3r | Do the intel VT/Virtualization bios settings really help with VMware in linux; wine? |
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| 16:37.46 | me7zg3r | Exagone, check usergroups rights to execute commands? |
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| 16:38.07 | SwedeMike | me7zg3r: when I didn't enable them at least KVM ran at like 1/50th the speed. |
| 16:38.44 | me7zg3r | sorry, I could not follow, SwedeMike , what are "them" |
| 16:38.54 | jelly | Exagone313: if logged in at the console, systemd's session bits will allow reboot or shutdown. If logged in via ssh, nope |
| 16:39.04 | SwedeMike | me7zg3r: "the intel VT/Virtualization bios settings" |
| 16:39.07 | Exagone313 | I'm not sure whether I should restrict the systemctl program itself, only blocking poweroff, restart or maybe suspend should be fine |
| 16:39.31 | me7zg3r | aight, gotcha, afaik KVM is wine-similar solution? SwedeMike |
| 16:39.45 | jelly | Exagone313: if you have untrusted users console access, they can probably just push the button |
| 16:39.52 | jelly | gave* |
| 16:39.56 | Exagone313 | it's a server |
| 16:40.03 | me7zg3r | beautiful approach, jelly, hardware access is a thing |
| 16:40.04 | jelly | servers have power buttons, too |
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| 16:40.12 | me7zg3r | Exagone313, log them in via ssh as it was suggested |
| 16:40.14 | Exagone313 | I'm thinking of applications running on the server, not ssh access |
| 16:40.29 | jelly | Exagone313: what kind of applications? |
| 16:40.36 | Exagone313 | daemons |
| 16:40.38 | brokencycle | Hi! I am having problems with a machine where apt so far insists on using /tmp to unpack packages, but where /tmp is too small to do that. |
| 16:40.42 | me7zg3r | from my standpoint of abilities and knowledge, I would create a custom user group with specified commands access |
| 16:40.48 | Exagone313 | running via systemd units |
| 16:40.49 | jelly | Exagone313: those do not create login sessions |
| 16:41.16 | brokencycle | I would like to have apt use a different directory, but saying eg. Apt::Extracttemplates::Tempdir "/var/tmp"; has proven ineffective. |
| 16:41.32 | jelly | Exagone313: so in general they won't be able to run "shutdown", unless they're running as root |
| 16:41.44 | Exagone313 | what's a login session? |
| 16:42.06 | brokencycle | Which variable do I need to set to achieve the desired effect? |
| 16:42.11 | me7zg3r | Exagone313, would you consult manual on login sessions? |
| 16:42.11 | jelly | Exagone313: an environment created when someone logs in |
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| 16:42.21 | jelly | me7zg3r: which manual would that be? |
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| 16:42.29 | me7zg3r | true that |
| 16:42.41 | BanHammor | You should look at the polkit and logind documentation |
| 16:42.49 | rocketmagnet | hi all, when i have a process pid, is there a way i can find out the window it's using ? |
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| 16:43.12 | me7zg3r | windows usually have their PID shown, I can't recall where, tho |
| 16:43.20 | jelly | best avoid telling people to RTFM if you can't point them to the right M |
| 16:43.28 | me7zg3r | Understood :) |
| 16:43.33 | Exagone313 | what's the difference between a process running in a login session and... a process run by a init-like? |
| 16:43.56 | Exagone313 | maybe I could ask in ##posix but well |
| 16:43.59 | BanHammor | one requires a user performed a login, the other doesn't. |
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| 16:44.40 | Exagone313 | I'm not sure how it could have different rights if running with the same uid:gid, if not thinking about isolation capabilities of systemd |
| 16:44.51 | brokencycle | I mean, there is a suspicion that apt should honour TMPDIR or TEMPDIR, but I don't see a corresponding configuration option. |
| 16:45.12 | rocketmagnet | i have python2 open (ps -A) and it has an open port 54671, how can i find out what the port is for ?? |
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| 16:47.18 | jelly | brokencycle: are you sure apt fills up your /tmp and not dpkg? |
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| 16:47.54 | jelly | dpkg's manual is explicit about supporting TMPDIR |
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| 16:48.31 | jelly | brokencycle: don't forget to export a variable to put it in environment of child processes |
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| 16:48.43 | BanHammor | brokencycle, could you pastebin the command you tried and its output? |
| 16:49.01 | jelly | brokencycle: also, which debian release is this? |
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| 16:49.54 | brokencycle | @jelly, @BanHammor: The problem occurs during unattended-upgrades and is due to /tmp residing on a too-small / |
| 16:50.01 | BanHammor | to append to jelly's thing: don't forget that sudo doesn't pass environment variables, so you have to either sudo -i or pass them like sudo ENV_VAR_BLA=1 apt-get blabla |
| 16:50.09 | BanHammor | hm |
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| 16:50.57 | brokencycle | This is on stretch |
| 16:51.31 | BanHammor | you -could- just mount your tmp on a different partition, or even on a tmpfs |
| 16:51.32 | jelly | brokencycle: curious, how are you passing TMPDIR env var there? |
| 16:52.06 | brokencycle | @BanHammor: nope, the machine is memory-strapped, too |
| 16:52.24 | BanHammor | is it also hdd-strapped in general? |
| 16:52.42 | jelly | is it... /boot-strapped? |
| 16:52.57 | brokencycle | @jelly: I tried to Apt::Extracttemplates::Tempdir "/var/tmp"; |
| 16:52.57 | BanHammor | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/tmpfs#Disable_automatic_mount would be the guide on how to use a block device for /tmp |
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| 16:53.08 | brokencycle | which seemed to be the closest thing, but to no avail. |
| 16:53.14 | jelly | brokencycle: that's just for debconf templates innit |
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| 16:54.05 | jelly | I have no idea how unattended-upgrades actually work and where and when is apt invoked from |
| 16:54.12 | brokencycle | @jelly: I looked through the config-index.gz, but no other option seemed to come close, and docs are scant on these, anyway. |
| 16:54.26 | brokencycle | I now tried to set the environment variable in a cron job. |
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| 16:54.48 | jelly | brokencycle: so can you show us where you put TMPDIR to be effective |
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| 16:55.45 | jelly | brokencycle: pastebin the relevant crontab file. |
| 16:57.10 | jelly | brokencycle: can you get to the actual command line and output of apt somehow? |
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| 16:57.51 | brokencycle | I tried to set this in the apticron job, but could not yet really verify whether it works: |
| 16:57.53 | brokencycle | https://pastebin.com/7kA0g8AG |
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| 16:58.58 | greycat | You have misspelled TMPDIR. |
| 16:59.14 | kh0l | O/ |
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| 17:00.12 | brokencycle | @greycat: True. But I only found this "option" to apt running this command, which suggests that TMPDIR should be equally useful: |
| 17:00.15 | brokencycle | strings /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.5.0|grep -iE 'te?mp' |
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| 17:00.30 | brokencycle | s/TMPDIR/TEMPDIR/ |
| 17:00.33 | brokencycle | :( |
| 17:01.01 | brokencycle | Anyway, I've now set them both. |
| 17:01.18 | brokencycle | But I'd rather not just poke in the dark. |
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| 17:01.54 | jelly | it's TMPDIR. I've never seen TEMPDIR used. |
| 17:02.04 | annadane | off-topicish but a general comment, if you have a usb with the debian netinst on it i'd suggest replacing it every point release; i had some issues with the 9.2 (i think) net install and never updated it to 9.3/9.4 because i assumed it was all equal |
| 17:02.20 | greycat | using random strings that you find by running strings(1) on random libraries is probably not the best approach to problem solving |
| 17:03.04 | jelly | it does betray an amount of despair tho :-) |
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| 17:04.40 | brokencycle | jelly: If you run the 'strings' command, you'll find both names being used. |
| 17:05.09 | greycat | But that doesn't tell you HOW the program uses that string. |
| 17:05.16 | jelly | those might be easter eggs for all I know |
| 17:05.58 | brokencycle | greycat: True. However, lacking any man page and not having made a tour through the source code yet, it's my best bet. |
| 17:05.58 | jelly | and dpkg is the one doing most of the unpacking, it is not linked with libapt-pkg.so |
| 17:06.11 | brokencycle | I mean: lacking any statement in the man page... |
| 17:06.13 | greycat | and dpkg's man page lists TMPDIR |
| 17:06.25 | jelly | well, dpkg-deb |
| 17:06.54 | jelly | not sure |
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| 17:15.27 | me7zg3r | I find gpart being slow as his READ is 70MB when the SSD supports more, any thoughts on that? |
| 17:16.01 | BanHammor | pegged by CPU? |
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| 17:17.05 | me7zg3r | bottlenecked? oh yes |
| 17:17.13 | me7zg3r | cpu usage is 100 |
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| 17:20.15 | me7zg3r | gpart hint worked out perfectly, it has now detected some of the lost partitions |
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| 17:27.46 | me7zg3r | what would you guys advise from a security&performance standpoint: customize Firefox (or another browser) or use a privacy/security preconfigured browser e.g. Brave? |
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| 17:28.40 | greycat | Use a standard, stable, supported browser like firefox-esr, and use an ad blocker like ublock origin. If you're really paranoid, use NoScript. |
| 17:29.06 | me7zg3r | Does that provide the same amount of security/privacy as, say, Tor Browser? |
| 17:29.16 | greycat | "privacy" |
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| 17:29.28 | greycat | ... |
| 17:29.30 | beastwick789 | no, TOR is a different beast. |
| 17:30.21 | epiflux | me7zg3r, no. |
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| 17:30.34 | annadane | this is hard for me to answer as i switched to waterfox |
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| 17:32.23 | jelly | me7zg3r: if you want security isolate your browser as completely as you can from the rest of the system. That probably means going qubes instead of debian |
| 17:32.29 | greycat | You immediately lose all credibilty with me when you mention Tor, because in my experience, Tor is used by spammers and trolls and other evil fucking twat-heads to inflict harm upon others. |
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| 17:32.50 | me7zg3r | uh-oh, sorry about that |
| 17:32.55 | jelly | greycat: knives are used to kill people every day |
| 17:32.59 | annadane | well... tor itself is perfectly legitimate |
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| 17:33.06 | me7zg3r | Tor is also used by journalists and politicians for safety |
| 17:33.13 | greycat | Sure it s. |
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| 17:33.56 | BanHammor | i use tor to circumvent my country's censorship laws, hi |
| 17:34.03 | me7zg3r | let's not dig ourself into the whole privacy vs hiding discussion |
| 17:34.30 | jelly | NSA made Tor specifically to make illegal activity easier, that's a feature not a bug, and if trolls use it, it means it's doing its job well |
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| 17:35.20 | epiflux | tor has plenty of perfectly legitimate legal uses. |
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| 17:35.47 | annadane | anyway my own view is that mozilla's done a few questionable things, thus i switched, i don't know how well it's curated in debian's firefox-esr |
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| 17:38.18 | annadane | tor itself is also a bit niche and can cause casual users headaches though you can adjust the security slider |
| 17:38.27 | annadane | it's not _required_, but is an option |
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| 17:44.22 | epiflux | most of the problems are related to turned-off javascript (it's on by default) and banned exit nodes. but it's offtopic here i guess. |
| 17:45.09 | annadane | well javascript is always going to be an area of stupidity |
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| 18:15.14 | me7zg3r | gpart somehow detected the two legacy ntfs ghost partitions and ended in a fatal error in seek |
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| 18:15.50 | me7zg3r | what would be the right next steps? |
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| 18:26.34 | jhutchins_wk | me7zg3r: What is it you're trying to do? |
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| 18:42.32 | jhutchins_wk | me7zg3r: Do you have a plan to make regular backups going forward? |
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| 18:43.21 | me7zg3r | yeah that's the main point |
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| 18:46.48 | Delta706 | Are there any problems with enabling "contrib"? It was not enabled by default |
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| 18:47.20 | greycat | !contrib |
| 18:47.20 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 18:47.53 | annadane | no "problems" unless you want packages in contrib |
| 18:48.02 | greycat | Usually contrib is pointless by itself, but you may use it along with non-free. |
| 18:48.15 | me7zg3r | might that be that contrib packages are potentially harmful? |
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| 18:48.36 | greycat | There might be a VERY small number of packages that you can use from contrib without enabling non-free, e.g. things that download a binary from the web and install that. |
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| 18:48.40 | annadane | depends where you fall on the scale of paranoia |
| 18:48.50 | me7zg3r | a solid 8.5 |
| 18:49.09 | annadane | but like, the emacs documentation is in non-free because it has invariant sections |
| 18:49.15 | annadane | it's not malicious |
| 18:49.16 | Delta706 | I just did "contrib" but not "non-free" and successful got vbox installed |
| 18:49.49 | greycat | ok, maybe it's a less small number than I thought |
| 18:50.03 | Delta706 | If there are no problems with contrib, why not enable it by default? |
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| 18:50.35 | me7zg3r | it was already stated before |
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| 18:51.02 | annadane | debian is 100% free by default |
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| 18:51.28 | greycat | same reason you have to go out of your way to get the non-free firmware blobs to make your craptop hardware work |
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| 18:51.40 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 18:51.59 | Delta706 | to encourage people to make things fully free? |
| 18:52.13 | johnfg | I've got some php problems with some web pages since upgrading from jessie->stretch. |
| 18:52.21 | me7zg3r | to fulfill the wish of people that only opt for free software |
| 18:52.33 | me7zg3r | 'cause proprietary doesn't allow modifications or even uses secrets |
| 18:52.39 | johnfg | Is there a way to downgrade what version of php is being used? |
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| 18:52.43 | me7zg3r | hash tag there are no secrets in linux |
| 18:52.48 | annadane | !tell Delta706 about social contract |
| 18:53.22 | greycat | johnfg: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 18:57.05 | kritterr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.13 | greycat | !kali |
| 18:57.13 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 18:57.58 | kritterr | ty. |
| 18:58.03 | kritterr | (and I apologize) |
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| 19:01.12 | johnfg | greycat: Ok, downgrading doesn't look promising. |
| 19:01.43 | johnfg | greycat: Looking more closely at the errors on the webpage, I realize the problem is with mysql/mariadb (which is *not* installed). |
| 19:02.21 | johnfg | I've read the notes, but am not sure what the next step should be. mysql.service starts and immediately exits. |
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| 19:02.55 | greycat | Next step? journalctl -u mysql.service |
| 19:03.20 | greycat | or (as root) systemctl status mysql.service |
| 19:03.36 | greycat | doing it as root gives more info than non-root |
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| 19:05.42 | johnfg | greycat: Here's both cmds: http://dpaste.com/1QEHKG1 |
| 19:05.56 | johnfg | Should mariadb be installed? |
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| 19:19.06 | johnfg | Sorry to take off without a ttfn. I rebooted, and mysql/mariadb both seem okay. |
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| 19:19.32 | johnfg | However, still getting screwy results on the web page |
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| 19:22.17 | Delta706 | johnfg: what kind of results? |
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| 19:23.44 | johnfg | Delta706: http://dpaste.com/0WJNJDK If you click on what are links, actually, on line 2 in the paste, you get an error also. |
| 19:24.24 | johnfg | Delta706: It sorta looks to me like it's still a database problem, but I'm not sure. |
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| 19:26.00 | johnfg | Delta706: I just tried to access phpmyadmin, and it's all screwed up also. So, mysql/mariadb wasn't my only problem (I don't think), it may be something with php. |
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| 19:28.38 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: The problems are with web pages you're serving, right? |
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| 19:30.26 | jhutchins_wk | ,v php |
| 19:30.27 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+60; sid: 1:7.2+60 |
| 19:30.36 | jhutchins_wk | ,v php5 |
| 19:30.37 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u13; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
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| 19:33.31 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: You may find this useful: http://us3.php.net/migration70 |
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| 19:34.42 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: Maybe check the readme files in /usr/share/doc/<package> to see if they have any info on migration, or check their upstream projects. |
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| 19:37.38 | jhutchins_wk | ,v phpmyadmin |
| 19:37.39 | judd | Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:3.4.11.1-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 4:3.4.11.1-2+deb7u8; jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; stretch: 4:4.6.6-4; buster: 4:4.6.6-5; sid: 4:4.6.6-5 |
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| 19:38.34 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: Per https://docs.phpmyadmin.net/en/latest/faq.html "PHP 7 is supported since phpMyAdmin 4.6, PHP 7.1 is supported since 4.6.5, PHP 7.2 is supported since 4.7.4." |
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| 19:44.13 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: Thanks, I'll work on it, but have to run to 2nd job. |
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| 20:22.21 | SanchoPensa | yo guys! |
| 20:22.30 | me7zg3r | yo my dude |
| 20:23.34 | SanchoPensa | i am looking to create a comic, in other words, i want to copy some pics into a an empty canvas and then add a few speech bubbles. |
| 20:23.34 | SanchoPensa | One should think, that the task is fairly easy, but I am meanwhile aggravated in a way, that I am willing to use imgflip. |
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| 20:23.55 | SanchoPensa | can you please tell me what "brilliant" linux software I can use for this kindergarden task? |
| 20:23.59 | annadane | gimp or krita can probably do that |
| 20:24.11 | SanchoPensa | annadane: no, gimp can not. |
| 20:24.13 | annadane | with krita being more user-friendly interface |
| 20:24.29 | SanchoPensa | at least not in a way, so, that i can handle it. |
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| 20:25.16 | me7zg3r | https://www.davidrevoy.com/article321/comic-page-from-a-to-z-with-krita |
| 20:25.36 | me7zg3r | ah, I remember the good old days with the site lmgtfy |
| 20:25.50 | SanchoPensa | annadane: krita looks good, thanks for the hint, bro! |
| 20:28.27 | SanchoPensa | annadane: err, sis? :D |
| 20:29.31 | hypn0 | why can't gimp :-/ |
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| 20:32.07 | hypn0 | http://howto.nicubunu.ro/comic-photo-gimp-inkscape/ ? |
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| 20:38.41 | ejr | is it possible to deactivate a laptop's screen when using an external monitor? |
| 20:39.52 | me7zg3r | yes it is, I believe a script/driver/config is writeable to enable that feature |
| 20:40.07 | petn-randall | ejr: Sure, just disable it in your desktop's settings. |
| 20:40.24 | ejr | petn-randall: I don't have a gui installed |
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| 20:42.21 | petn-randall | ejr: ah, no idea then. |
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| 20:43.53 | ejr | me7zg3r: ok, thx, i couldnt find one so far but will keep looking |
| 20:44.36 | me7zg3r | sometimes you just have to be the first one :( |
| 20:44.50 | me7zg3r | i'm a proud owner of a prestigio gaming mouse -- trully a masterpiece |
| 20:44.53 | me7zg3r | no drivers on linux tho |
| 20:45.17 | me7zg3r | please tell me tf im doing wrong, tryin to read manual aint helpin gpart -wEfvns -k 1785800 -b /home/me7zg3r/gpartlog |
| 20:45.41 | ejr | me7zg3r: been there, done that :D once had similar issues with the mad catz rat 3 gaming mouse (back years ago when i was still a gamer) |
| 20:45.59 | me7zg3r | did you write dem drivers? |
| 20:46.14 | ejr | not entirely, but had to adapt one |
| 20:46.31 | me7zg3r | maybe i should run a VMwin for drivers ^^ |
| 20:46.47 | me7zg3r | afaik vmwin doesnt support hardware access tho |
| 20:47.06 | me7zg3r | kvm had some development in that direction |
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| 20:50.19 | ewew | hi. is the gpu in A10-9700 supported in debian ? |
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| 20:52.08 | ewew | I have checked the package firmware-amd-graphics and there is a mention of R5/R7 200 IGP |
| 20:53.01 | ewew | does anyone have any info on this cpu with apu ? |
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| 20:53.10 | me7zg3r | im googlin |
| 20:53.45 | ewew | ok. i just want to confirm i've picked the right components. |
| 20:54.29 | ewew | according this https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/7th-gen-a10-9700-apu it should be a graphic R7 series. |
| 20:54.39 | me7zg3r | that seems to be correct |
| 20:54.59 | ewew | but it does't state which one. 200 , 300 and etc. |
| 20:55.04 | me7zg3r | do you have that hardware installed or are you currently choosing to buy? |
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| 20:55.24 | ewew | im in state before buying. |
| 20:55.33 | me7zg3r | that's good to know |
| 20:55.49 | me7zg3r | haha when u google amd 9th gen it shows up intel in google |
| 20:56.15 | ewew | I want to put it in this motherboard ASUS PRIME A320M-K |
| 20:56.15 | me7zg3r | is that a laptop we're talkin about? |
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| 20:56.20 | me7zg3r | aha gotcha |
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| 20:56.32 | ewew | no. its a clasic pc setup. |
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| 20:56.40 | me7zg3r | can we talk privately? i dont wish to flood |
| 20:56.56 | ewew | ok. |
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| 21:00.48 | annadane | me7zg3r, that's a support question and hence not flooding |
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| 21:02.01 | me7zg3r | ewew basically looks if there are debian drivers for the A10-9700 gpu |
| 21:02.28 | me7zg3r | I'm not well familiar with the whole driver thing, however I've found A10-9700E for Dell desktop in the ubuntu repos |
| 21:03.02 | ewew | ok. if its mentioned in the firmware package, then it should be clear. |
| 21:05.34 | me7zg3r | different cpus tho |
| 21:05.36 | annadane | things which are technical should really be discussed in channels, not in private, more chance of somebody knowing the answer and us learning something |
| 21:05.48 | me7zg3r | that is correct |
| 21:05.57 | me7zg3r | I just cant brag about intel in the channel :) |
| 21:06.19 | Sir_Designer | is it classified intel? |
| 21:06.28 | me7zg3r | Intel the company |
| 21:06.35 | annadane | thatsthejoke.jpg |
| 21:06.54 | me7zg3r | I need a poster with the word joke sometimes, sorry x) |
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| 21:07.09 | me7zg3r | technically, intel is classified |
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| 21:11.33 | annadane | ewew, what does lspci -nn say for the gpu? |
| 21:11.52 | ewew | its not yet assembled. |
| 21:12.04 | annadane | ah, all right then |
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| 21:13.17 | me7zg3r | how about some kernel-writing action for a not-yet-installed cpu? :^) |
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| 21:16.15 | me7zg3r | Did I get it right, that "amd flaws" exactly is an consistency between AMD and a non-free, unmodifiable software? |
| 21:16.20 | me7zg3r | hm, really makes you think |
| 21:16.29 | me7zg3r | unconsistency** |
| 21:17.01 | annadane | i don't know what you were referring to |
| 21:17.18 | me7zg3r | https://amdflaws.com/ |
| 21:17.39 | annadane | that's widely understood to be a malicious hit campaign |
| 21:17.46 | annadane | and not really trustworthy |
| 21:18.09 | me7zg3r | what does "malicious hit" mean? |
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| 21:18.37 | me7zg3r | oh, malicious hit on AMD, I get it |
| 21:19.04 | me7zg3r | my deepest sorrow is the fact Intel was never persecuted for reverse-engineering the 64bit arch |
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| 21:21.11 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:22.43 | jhutchins_wk | me7zg3r: A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. I think you may have misunderstood some things. |
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| 21:23.18 | jhutchins_wk | me7zg3r: They didn't reverse-engineer it, they license it. |
| 21:23.48 | me7zg3r | they got it to work a year after AMD tho |
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| 21:24.14 | me7zg3r | https://github.com/ingmar-k/Allwinner_A10_Debian/wiki/A10:-Howto-compile-a-linux-Kernel this might come in handy for your processor ewew |
| 21:24.26 | ewew | Integrated graphicsGPU Type: Radeon R7 series |
| 21:24.27 | ewew | Microarchitecture: 3rd Gen Graphics Core Next |
| 21:24.27 | ewew | Shader cores: 384 |
| 21:24.27 | ewew | Base frequency (MHz): 1029 |
| 21:25.06 | ewew | according to this. it should be R7 series 300. refering to line 3rd gen graphics. |
| 21:25.44 | me7zg3r | sounds right |
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| 21:26.57 | ewew | your refering to that is should attempt to compile my own kernel ? |
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| 21:27.39 | me7zg3r | I mean you always have that as a last resort |
| 21:27.45 | ewew | ok. |
| 21:28.11 | ewew | or go back to drawing board. :D |
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| 21:31.15 | kliptcowings | anyone now how to fix this? https://pastebin.com/S6TPSvSg |
| 21:32.39 | kliptcowings | or where to look :p |
| 21:33.15 | annadane | !bat |
| 21:33.15 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 21:33.35 | annadane | certainly apt-cache policy by itself would be helpful |
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| 21:34.35 | kliptcowings | https://pastebin.com/KC9pfd9x that's what i am trying to install if it helps i will take a look at it |
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| 21:36.25 | me7zg3r | Dear dears, are those arguments valid to rescue data? (rewrite on same place) gpart -Ev -w ntfs,1.5 -k 1785800 -b /home/me7zg3r/gpartlog /dev/sda |
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| 21:42.10 | annadane | ,v mysql-workbench |
| 21:42.11 | judd | Package: mysql-workbench on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.2.40+dfsg-2; jessie: 6.2.3+dfsg-7; stretch: 6.3.8+dfsg-1; sid: 6.3.10+dfsg-2 |
| 21:42.26 | annadane | ,v libctemplate3 |
| 21:42.27 | judd | Package: libctemplate3 on amd64 -- buster: 2.3-3+b1; sid: 2.3-3+b1; stretch: 2.3-3+b1 |
| 21:42.42 | annadane | let me not spam the channel with that |
| 21:43.08 | annadane | anyway, better for klipt to just post the output |
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| 21:48.42 | ChmEarl | the debian jessie compiler (gcc-4.9) with retpoline support is installed from jessie-backports? |
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| 21:49.38 | annadane | ,v gcc |
| 21:49.39 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:7.2.0-1d1; sid: 4:7.3.0-2 |
| 21:49.51 | annadane | ,v gcc-4.9 |
| 21:49.52 | judd | Package: gcc-4.9 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.9.2-10; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.9.2-10+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.9.2-10+deb8u1 |
| 21:49.59 | annadane | nope |
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| 21:52.42 | ewew | Any idea where to find out which serie is in the A10 9700 ? |
| 21:53.00 | ewew | *of gpu ? |
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| 21:54.00 | ewew | The more info i find the more im not sure. |
| 21:54.14 | me7zg3r | that |
| 21:54.22 | me7zg3r | that's exactly my idea |
| 21:55.11 | me7zg3r | it sais |
| 21:55.12 | me7zg3r | Graphics Model |
| 21:55.12 | me7zg3r | Radeon⢠R7 Series |
| 21:55.18 | bites | ewew: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/7th-gen-a10-9700-apu > Graphics Specifications |
| 21:55.19 | me7zg3r | says* |
| 21:55.23 | me7zg3r | yeah |
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| 21:56.59 | ewew | is it R7 200 or else ? |
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| 22:02.36 | me7zg3r | wait a second |
| 22:02.51 | me7zg3r | are u trying to apply discrete gpu nomenclature to cpu gpu? |
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| 22:04.43 | me7zg3r | here you go https://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu/AMD+Radeon+R7/review |
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| 22:11.16 | ewew | just trying to figure out if debian has the firmware for this cpu with apu. |
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| 22:22.19 | me7zg3r | should be true as 2 years passed and this one is popular |
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| 22:39.25 | ewew | In which channel should it try to ask about this ? |
| 22:42.12 | SlidingHorn | ewew, this (or the official channel on OFTC) would be the right place. I just don't think anyone who knows for sure is online right now. Give it some time :) |
| 22:43.17 | ewew | ok. |
| 22:44.12 | ewew | what does the IGP stand for in the name of graphic card ? Can it be refered to apu ? |
| 22:44.30 | ewew | like this Radeon R5/R7 IGP 200 series |
| 22:45.46 | SlidingHorn | I would assume integrated graphics processor... |
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| 22:53.59 | idustyb | Morning all! |
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