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| 00:02.47 | VjdfMQ | Hey all |
| 00:03.02 | VjdfMQ | Could anyone help with fixing a touchpad ? |
| 00:04.20 | VjdfMQ | It just stopped working. I've rebooted. The same. Tried to restart psmouse driver via modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse; and now only touchpad works. Touchball , Left, Right, Middle buttons don't work |
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| 00:20.15 | SlidingHorn | VjdfMQ, aren't you using ubuntu? |
| 00:21.39 | VjdfMQ | SlidingHorn: Might be |
| 00:21.49 | VjdfMQ | Regards who's asking |
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| 00:22.18 | bazhang | lsb_release -a in terminal VjdfMQ |
| 00:22.23 | VjdfMQ | #ubuntu doesn't want to help mb |
| 00:22.42 | SlidingHorn | VjdfMQ, I ask because you were in #ubuntu asking and stating that you were running ubuntu 16.04, and it's not supported here |
| 00:22.45 | VjdfMQ | http://termbin.com/nvkg |
| 00:23.13 | VjdfMQ | Uh. You mean debian and ubuntu don't have the issues ? |
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| 00:23.19 | bazhang | nope |
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| 01:07.25 | me7zg3r | finally i'm back here |
| 01:07.27 | me7zg3r | greetings, anyone |
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| 01:15.26 | qifan | hey |
| 01:15.28 | qifan | =) |
| 01:15.32 | qifan | https://pastebin.com/m3YujvKC |
| 01:15.41 | qifan | what might be the cause of this ? |
| 01:16.39 | SlidingHorn | qifan, first, you need to fix that broken package (libkactivities6)... |
| 01:16.42 | SlidingHorn | ,v wgetpaste |
| 01:16.43 | judd | No package named 'wgetpaste' was found in amd64. |
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| 01:16.57 | annadane | apt install --reinstall libkactivities6 |
| 01:16.59 | SlidingHorn | and apparently wgetpaste isn't in the repositories |
| 01:17.04 | qifan | ty |
| 01:17.37 | qifan | worked like a charm :) |
| 01:18.00 | qifan | btw im trying to install bfgminer |
| 01:18.09 | qifan | from the source but im getting nuts |
| 01:18.19 | qifan | any clever solution? |
| 01:18.36 | qifan | i downloaded the .deb file, but !! missing dependencies :( |
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| 01:19.08 | annadane | well, don't install .deb files from the internet |
| 01:19.11 | annadane | !don't break debian |
| 01:19.11 | dpkg | it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 01:19.19 | aaron83 | hi there team! |
| 01:19.38 | qifan | can i had some more source.list repositories ? to my sources.list that way i would get the bfgminer |
| 01:19.39 | qifan | :P |
| 01:19.40 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
| 01:19.55 | annadane | no, see "don't break debian", don't go adding other repositories |
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| 01:20.01 | SlidingHorn | qifan, what version of debian areyou running? |
| 01:20.08 | qifan | windows version |
| 01:20.11 | qifan | console mode only |
| 01:20.11 | annadane | sigh |
| 01:20.17 | qifan | what ? |
| 01:20.20 | annadane | nothing |
| 01:20.25 | qifan | :P |
| 01:20.26 | SlidingHorn | xD annadane |
| 01:20.39 | annadane | it's... not really supported here as we don't know what changes are in the windows version |
| 01:20.41 | aaron83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.43 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 01:20.43 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 01:21.04 | aaron83 | lsusb shows the usb3 driver working over the port |
| 01:21.12 | qifan | l8r |
| 01:21.13 | qifan | :) |
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| 01:21.19 | qifan | thank you for your kindense |
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| 01:36.25 | idustyb | Oh hey @annadane |
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| 01:37.56 | me7zg3r | Oh, hi Mark |
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| 01:40.10 | jaggz | okay, before I mess something up.. I want to install an experimental repo version of Gimp (2.10) in my jessie |
| 01:40.15 | jaggz | https://packages.debian.org/experimental/gimp |
| 01:40.38 | jaggz | How do I accomplish this properly? :) |
| 01:41.36 | me7zg3r | you should add the specific repo to you sources.list and afterwards apt install it, I believe |
| 01:41.41 | me7zg3r | or manually download-install |
| 01:42.25 | idustyb | Pretty sure you're looking at APT pinning? |
| 01:42.33 | idustyb | @jaggz |
| 01:42.55 | idustyb | @jaggz: Consider this documentation; https://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental |
| 01:43.16 | jaggz | not sure :) I guess I can try.. I just don't want to have gimp require the installation of experimental versions of libc and all sorts of stuff |
| 01:43.59 | jaggz | thanks.. I'll give it a shot |
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| 01:46.49 | jaggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.52 | jaggz | yeah.. sigh. |
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| 01:47.29 | idustyb | That's using the pinning? What command did you use to execute that install? |
| 01:47.32 | idustyb | @jaggz |
| 01:47.50 | jaggz | apt-get -t experimental install gimp |
| 01:48.10 | jaggz | (after adding the repo and apt-get update'ing) |
| 01:48.27 | jaggz | didn't do any pinning |
| 01:48.51 | annadane | !tell me7zg3r about frankendebian |
| 01:49.08 | idustyb | @jaggz: Yeah. The documentation isn't great when it then comes to that perspective. I would have thought that some dependencies are resolved as necessary also following that experimental repo. |
| 01:49.17 | idustyb | Did you try to manually install that libc6 also with -t experimental? |
| 01:49.21 | me7zg3r | I agree on that, annadane |
| 01:49.35 | jaggz | idustyb, there's a whole list.. was looking into how it's handled |
| 01:49.43 | annadane | jaggz, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
| 01:49.54 | annadane | i'm sure it's available in eleven billion formats anyway |
| 01:50.02 | annadane | flatpak, whatever |
| 01:50.12 | jaggz | http://paste.debian.net/1018723/ |
| 01:50.32 | annadane | you can generally compile it from source but from experimental i probably still wouldn't |
| 01:50.36 | jaggz | annadane, they're new to flatpak, and seem to only provide their stable version in it. |
| 01:50.46 | annadane | me7zg3r, in future please be careful about giving advice |
| 01:50.54 | annadane | mixing experimental + stable/oldstable is a big no-no |
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| 01:51.09 | jaggz | the source had a bunch of other lib dependencies.. i started downloading those and trying to build.. getting to be a mess (since none of those are deb packages), so I figured I'd look directly at deb experimental |
| 01:51.15 | me7zg3r | aight, understood |
| 01:51.27 | clime | hello, I cannot boot after upgrade from Debian 7 to Debian 8. |
| 01:51.33 | me7zg3r | I'm feeling silly, I've made debian unbootable 7 times in the past 2 days |
| 01:51.52 | idustyb | @jaggz: Yeah. In the end, it's one of those tradeoffs. I probably should have been clear about that. |
| 01:52.00 | clime | I am getting grub rescue> console and the error is "File not found". Can anyone given instructions how this could be fixed? |
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| 01:52.08 | jaggz | checkinstall make install is handy :) |
| 01:52.11 | annadane | did you install anything else from experimental in the meantime |
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| 01:52.23 | tw | If you run the following command, then alternate pressing alt-ctrl-1, alt-ctrl-2, does it lock up? qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 2048 -cpu Nehalem,check -smp cores=2 -vga std -global VGA.vgamem_mb=128 -display sdl |
| 01:52.28 | jaggz | no.. I'm clean |
| 01:52.32 | annadane | good |
| 01:52.34 | idustyb | @jaggz: Depending on the list of dependencies, and their sources; I've had very little issues with backports - but that's different. |
| 01:52.47 | avis- | i think you might on a live bootable cd that is your distro and only that be able to rewrite grub or maybe a super grub disc |
| 01:53.24 | Resilience | hello to everyone, a littlel off-topic but,is it possible to make a SAN (with debian, of course) to share a disk between two (o more computers)? |
| 01:53.24 | idustyb | @jaggz: What's the reason for the experimental version? Maybe you could sign up and contribute getting it into some other stream? |
| 01:53.43 | annadane | anyway, the latest upstream version of gimp ought to just be available on their website anyway as a tar |
| 01:53.49 | annadane | i haven't checked but probably |
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| 01:53.56 | tw | Resilience: same filesystem or different luns? |
| 01:54.37 | me7zg3r | I've had a very bad experience with grub rescue (using debinstall iso), ymmv |
| 01:55.06 | jaggz | idustyb, I "needed" some of its advanced capabilities for higher bit depth images.. |
| 01:55.11 | jaggz | (HDRI) |
| 01:55.20 | idustyb | Roger. |
| 01:55.40 | Resilience | tw same filesystem, I'm afraid I'm not to keen on NAS vs SAN, but it seems to me that SAN maybe faster than NAS, right? wrong? |
| 01:55.47 | jaggz | I'm completely unaware of just HOW stable it is and such.. first time looking at it today.. |
| 01:56.05 | jaggz | with all its libs it would definitely be nice if they had a flatpak for the thing |
| 01:56.11 | idustyb | @jaggz: The main reason for the `frankendebian` concern is often not related to the package itself, but it's dependencies. |
| 01:56.38 | idustyb | @jaggz: Given this is dependent on some pretty critical packages, it's definitely a concern. |
| 01:56.39 | jaggz | idustyb, yeah.. it can get messy.. I've done it in the past but managed to avoid it for years :) |
| 01:56.48 | tw | Resilience: usually SAN means "pass raw block device to target OS." This is not good for the same FS on two different computers at the same time and is a great way to corrupt the filesystem. |
| 01:56.54 | me7zg3r | does sharing a disk between several computers imply that the HDD is connected to 2 different motherboards? |
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| 01:57.27 | idustyb | @jaggz: I guess; I'd be shooting up a VM or something, if that's a possibility. Mess about with it that way. |
| 01:57.33 | tw | Resilience: But yes, you can use samba or nfs to share a filesystem with client computers. |
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| 01:58.43 | clime | hello, can anyone, please give me a rough instructions on how I can fix the grub when I have a disk available e.g. on /dev/vda? |
| 01:59.01 | Resilience | tw I was thinking about having two/three computers, which share the same files on a external system (NAS or SAN), I thought SAN would be faster than NAS, maybe the problem is "using it at the *same* time? |
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| 01:59.13 | clime | is just group-install /dev/vda enough? I don't know why I cannot boot after upgrade :(. |
| 01:59.30 | me7zg3r | clime, I've nuked my gpt's a nice half a dozen of times in the past 2 days, have no clue on rescuing :( |
| 01:59.47 | annadane | weird to have this much activity in #debian this late, normally pretty dead |
| 01:59.47 | me7zg3r | the only thing I know is image-backuping and restoring |
| 01:59.59 | clime | hmm great |
| 02:00.06 | me7zg3r | debian got more hype recently I guess |
| 02:00.07 | tw | Resilience: I'd only use the SAN option for exclusive access, unless you really know what you're doing (eg, failover). |
| 02:00.09 | clime | so group-install cannot help? |
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| 02:00.26 | SlidingHorn | clime, is this a virtual machine? |
| 02:00.31 | idustyb | @jaggz: I, personally; also keep my environments rather minimalistic. Breaking them then is not a huge issue. That's no real excuse for frankendebian, but does mean in some unavoidable instances; you can get around it. That version of libc6 is also only in SID. So, I think you're going to have a rather interesting adventure. |
| 02:00.33 | tw | Resilience: NAS-like solutions are probably going to be more than fast enough. |
| 02:00.38 | clime | SlidingHorn: yes, virtual machine |
| 02:00.58 | Resilience | tw as fast as a local hdd/ssd? |
| 02:01.17 | SlidingHorn | clime, take a look here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch08s07.html.en |
| 02:01.19 | jaggz | idustyb, I'm not desperate for the whole thing.. I can get by without gimp 2.10 for now .. :) |
| 02:01.56 | jaggz | too involved in projects to break my system.. and I've only used vm's in the past with vbox. |
| 02:02.08 | jaggz | well, I guess I run an android emulator in qemu |
| 02:03.14 | me7zg3r | wait a second, SlidingHorn can you actually set up a VM with no performance loss on top of your actual machine with full hardware access? O-o |
| 02:03.21 | idustyb | @jaggz: Lucky! Gosh :( Glad my suggestion didn't frankendebian you then >.> |
| 02:03.54 | clime | can I get to "rescue" mode from grub rescue console? |
| 02:04.03 | tw | Resilience: It'll never be quite that fast, but I can get 90+MB/sec over 1gbps ethernet sustained to my samba share. |
| 02:04.50 | tw | Resilience: The advantage of SAN is that it doesn't have to do remote lock checking and it can cache better because it has exclusive access to the FS. |
| 02:04.50 | Resilience | tw I'm more worried about latencies than about the bandwidth |
| 02:04.55 | me7zg3r | clime, let me google that real quick |
| 02:05.19 | tw | Resilience: Then I wouldn't share the FS at all. |
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| 02:06.05 | idustyb | And this is why we pay @annadane the big bucks! |
| 02:06.40 | Resilience | tw then how can I have a central repository for my files? i is about having all of them in one place and being accessible from different computers... |
| 02:06.51 | me7zg3r | clime, grub> set pager=1 // grub> ls // |
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| 02:07.43 | idustyb | @Resilience: Did you mention what files you want to share? Demand, size, priority? |
| 02:07.56 | me7zg3r | you can then "grub> cat (hd0,1)/%etc%/%issue%" to inspect files |
| 02:07.57 | jaggz | idustyb, :) |
| 02:08.27 | tw | Resilience: Try it. You can have a basic samba server running in 30 minutes. |
| 02:08.27 | clime | yes I can see that! |
| 02:08.33 | Resilience | idustyb, personal rpository: docuent,s pictures, videos, books, source code and so on |
| 02:08.37 | tw | or less. |
| 02:08.45 | clime | I can see th boot partition and the root |
| 02:08.51 | me7zg3r | grub> set root=(%device%,%partition%) // grub> linux /boot/%vmlinuz% root=%partition% |
| 02:09.12 | idustyb | @Resilience: Roger that. And what benefits are needed of this storage? Is it backed up? Or is it to have it's own redundancy? |
| 02:09.15 | me7zg3r | grub> initrd %path to initrd.img% // grub> boot |
| 02:09.20 | clime | do the percentage sign belong there? |
| 02:09.25 | clime | *signs |
| 02:09.30 | me7zg3r | no, that is to denote this is generic hint |
| 02:09.30 | Resilience | tw, I think that the same hardware I use for a NAS can be turned into a SAN; right? ( I have to buy the hardware) |
| 02:09.35 | clime | ok |
| 02:10.09 | tw | Resilience: short version is yes, you can set it up either way (or if you're feeling bold, both from the same hardware). |
| 02:10.11 | Resilience | idustyb, I was thinking of haveing a mirror, and having a second systema as a backup for the first one |
| 02:10.27 | Resilience | tw not so bold :P |
| 02:10.29 | clime | but this is grub console, I have only grub rescue |
| 02:10.52 | clime | so not sure if I can do things like: linux /boot/%vmlinuz% |
| 02:11.08 | Resilience | tw which micro do you recommend me for this jo? (if any) |
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| 02:13.08 | idustyb | @Resilience: My experience of SAN is usually in an enterprise environment, and often depends on special hardware (IE; links from the 'SAN' provider to the servers that depend on it). It also often depends on the implementation as to the technologies you then access it with. |
| 02:13.37 | Resilience | idustyb, mine is a SOHO diy project, just for me |
| 02:14.01 | Resilience | idustyb, it means off-the-self hardware, and consumer hardwae |
| 02:14.04 | tw | Resilience: Might float that question in ##hardware, but if it's a single user, you can probably get by with junkbin parts and a ton of RAM. |
| 02:14.30 | idustyb | Hmmm |
| 02:14.31 | me7zg3r | clime, that was meant to be linux /boot/vmlinuz_some_numbers_etc.img |
| 02:14.31 | clime | I can do grub rescue> ls (hd0,msdos1)/grub |
| 02:14.43 | me7zg3r | I just don't know which is your location for those files |
| 02:15.09 | clime | which gives ./ ../ device.map grub.cfg locale/ grubenv unicode.pf2 fonts/ i386-pc/ |
| 02:15.35 | clime | then I tried set prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/grub |
| 02:15.39 | idustyb | @Resilience: Lots of the SAN's we used were host to giant environments. We're talking whole environments, not just 'file shares'. There's more of an 'architectural' consideration with SAN. |
| 02:15.51 | clime | and insmod normal |
| 02:15.59 | clime | according what I have found on net |
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| 02:16.08 | clime | but getting error: file not found after that |
| 02:16.42 | me7zg3r | --offtopic idustyb can one setup a service-like environment? say VM for games with low ping/latency&&high bandwith for the image transfer? |
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| 02:18.00 | idustyb | @me7zg3r: That's a whole new kettle of fish there! There's huge considerations with network bandwidth, reliability. Software too! I think that question really is like 5 in one! |
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| 02:19.12 | idustyb | @Resilience: I honestly believe a good NAS configuration might better suit your needs. A decent RAID (Perhaps 5?), and a tonne of HDD's. I had two (co-located) for a long time, with some AMD Bulldozer chips. |
| 02:19.21 | Resilience | idustyb, so for a diy SOHO solution I suppose that you recommend me the NAS way, right? |
| 02:19.35 | Resilience | idustyb, ah, at the same time hehe |
| 02:19.51 | idustyb | @Resilience: Not trying to shoot down a SAN idea, but you might want to research the architecture / topology heavily. The benefits of a SAN are generally gained due to the hardware (Eg; Fibre) |
| 02:19.57 | idustyb | Or other proprietary connection methods. |
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| 02:20.31 | idustyb | @Resilience: Most definitely. Some other considerations, as I've already ventured down this path; |
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| 02:21.19 | idustyb | @Resilience: Hardware RAID is faster, but can become an issue if your infrastructure dies without some kind of backup hardware (Eg; the Hardware RAID you're using is discontiued - very unlikely) |
| 02:21.58 | idustyb | @Resilience: It's also expensive lol |
| 02:21.59 | Resilience | idustyb, I thought that accessing the blocks directly would be "faster" (less latency) than having to translate between block/file, I am worried when opening fle adter file, the delays on ecah one |
| 02:22.09 | Resilience | *each |
| 02:22.14 | tw | Resilience: you don't need to shave ns with a single user in your application. |
| 02:22.30 | idustyb | @Resilience: I think you'll find your network infrastructure would become an issue before your suggestion here. |
| 02:23.23 | Resilience | tw ? |
| 02:23.24 | me7zg3r | idustyb, do you want that kettle of fish tho? :D |
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| 02:24.09 | idustyb | @Resilience: You will also have other file-level issues before network - such as save conflicts. |
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| 02:24.53 | tw | Resilience: the latency difference is not so much that you're going to notice it under normal circumstances. |
| 02:25.19 | Resilience | idustyb, I don't have check out the bandwiths, but I have supppossed that 1Gb ethernet is as fast as (or faster) than sata-3 (maybe I'm wrong) |
| 02:25.29 | idustyb | @me7zg3r: Perhaps. I'd consider investing in already dedicated infrastructure for that. Like those steam boxes? So you transmit your game from Computer -> Receiver -> TV. |
| 02:25.39 | Resilience | tw, ah, I understand now |
| 02:26.09 | idustyb | @Resilience: As per tw - you would probably have that same issue no matter which implementation. If your client only supports SMB (Perhaps a desktop that you're using to save your pictures) - that overhead is always there. |
| 02:26.38 | idustyb | @me7zg3r: What are you thinking of building? |
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| 02:26.55 | Resilience | tw idustyb ah, one more thing, when I say "accessing different comptuers" I mean all are of mine (differnete workstations, smartphone, etc) |
| 02:27.43 | idustyb | @Resilience: Yeah. Of course. That's still not an issue with a NAS. I use a VPN also for remote access. |
| 02:28.16 | me7zg3r | idustyb, something like in the good old days, big, noisy, lots of fans, gpus, cpus -- you name it! put in some nvme's with custom cooling and a healthy hundred of VM's |
| 02:28.37 | me7zg3r | on top of that to install, play, work, whatever |
| 02:28.49 | Resilience | idustyb, I understand, I was only saying because hen I said concurrently it means the computers, but the player is just me, so it would be concurrently, but sequentially (I am not multitask) |
| 02:28.53 | me7zg3r | and I guess a dozen of GB-ethernet would be nice for that |
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| 02:29.50 | idustyb | @Resilience: Right! Yeah you wouldn't have issues with the NAS. I have multiple assets of my own connected at all times. I don't have any issues. I do not store source code on there, however. That's all SCM managed on github. |
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| 02:31.01 | idustyb | @me7zg3r: Does sound fun. I'm too poor for such projects. I'm even rocking a MacBook Pro (With debian, of course) with missing keys :( |
| 02:31.13 | idustyb | I'm a developer too! Not having an up button is killing me! |
| 02:31.24 | Resilience | idustyb, tw, ok, I think i'll go to the NAS route then |
| 02:32.03 | tw | Resilience: cheaper by far, easier to set up, and maintain. |
| 02:32.06 | idustyb | @Resilience: I'd be super keen to help wherever I can too. I must admit; I chose to eventually purchase Western Digital NAS products (So prebuilt, etc etc). But I ran my old environment for a LONG time. |
| 02:32.18 | Resilience | idustyb, what kind oh micro do you recommnd me? is it better faster? or is it betetr more memory? or what? |
| 02:32.22 | idustyb | @Resilience: Instead, I've migrated to these dedicated NAS, and a series of Raspberry Pi's to create a distributed network. |
| 02:32.22 | me7zg3r | idustyb, I'm rocking a Lenovo X240 with a missing "6" key :D if you have a project, you might as well stumble on an investor |
| 02:33.28 | me7zg3r | I'm exiting for a while, I'll miss you, idustyb |
| 02:33.54 | idustyb | @Resilience: Oooh! Tough question. Another reason I leave that to vendors. I prefer Intel. AMD burnt me hard with the Bulldozer chipsets, and some other issues with BIOS, IOMMU (VT-d)... ugh! |
| 02:34.01 | Resilience | idustyb, I have a sinology ds413j on my desk (a gift from a friend) but I would prefer making my own one (control freak) |
| 02:34.04 | idustyb | @me7zg3r: Ahw! Clearly miss you too! Speak soon! |
| 02:34.15 | tw | Resilience: I'd use the synology. |
| 02:34.41 | idustyb | @Resilience: I had lots of issues with Synology performance. I actually didn't want to purchase the vendor NAS - it was purchased for me as a gift. But I've been BLOWN AWAY by it's performance. |
| 02:35.02 | idustyb | Please don't take that as definitive of Synology products. It was just my experience with 2 of their products. |
| 02:35.25 | Resilience | tw it does not have command line nor debian... it is old (I suppose unsupported yet)... and I cannot play-errrr build O :o) |
| 02:35.44 | idustyb | @Resilience: The NAS I have has full OS access. I'm pretty sure it's running Debian too! |
| 02:36.13 | Resilience | idustyb, which one is? |
| 02:37.14 | idustyb | @Resilience: Western Digital EX4... It's no where near the capacity you're looking for. |
| 02:38.20 | idustyb | @Resilience: Western Digital also fully release the source, though not on your common SCM. But they do not support any issues had if you break it. |
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| 02:39.03 | Resilience | idustyb, not thinking on making my linux-from-scratch compiling everything |
| 02:39.07 | idustyb | (gpl) |
| 02:39.22 | idustyb | @Resilience: Nah. Debian is the right choice. lol |
| 02:39.51 | avis- | how do i enable the lan fully on debian ? |
| 02:39.53 | Resilience | idustyb, the only one choice you mean... ]:o) |
| 02:40.01 | idustyb | @Resilience: Oooh! I stand corrected :D |
| 02:40.12 | Resilience | O :o) |
| 02:40.19 | avis- | ./msg godwinhj snitch !! |
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| 02:40.44 | avis- | typo, sorry |
| 02:41.15 | idustyb | Awkward! |
| 02:41.17 | idustyb | lol |
| 02:41.20 | SlidingHorn | avis-, can you be a little more specific with your question |
| 02:41.37 | avis- | i would like to know if i have to adjust to access fully my lan ? |
| 02:41.42 | SlidingHorn | (...and that typo reminds me of the days when people would try to DM someone on Twitter and type it wrong and everyone would see it) |
| 02:41.49 | avis- | adjust settings or config files on debian ? |
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| 02:42.19 | Resilience | idyif I try the diy way, a celeron would be sufficient? i3? i5? |
| 02:42.21 | SlidingHorn | avis-, as long as you set your workgroup the same as the rest of your network on installation, you should be fine as far as I know |
| 02:42.22 | idustyb | @avis-: Have you checked your /etc/network.d/<interface> file? |
| 02:42.24 | Resilience | id4rk_, yif I try the diy way, a celeron would be sufficient? i3? i5? |
| 02:42.32 | avis- | i have not idustyb |
| 02:43.05 | idustyb | @avis-: Can you see the interface in `ip addr` |
| 02:43.19 | avis- | i'm sure i can find it. i'll look |
| 02:44.08 | idustyb | @Resilience: Hmm! So it's just hosting these files? Is it hosting vm's or anything as well? |
| 02:44.45 | idustyb | @Resilience: I went with early quad core CPU's, because I was hosting like.. a handful of VM's on each machine. Some were CPU intensive, like.. my.. -cough- minecraft -cough- server at the time.. |
| 02:44.47 | Resilience | idustyb, just files, I only want some central repository for all my computers |
| 02:45.26 | avis- | i have this one and this one, /etc/network/interfaces.d and /etc/network/if-up.d but not exactly what you said |
| 02:45.39 | avis- | there is a forward slash after both |
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| 02:46.17 | idustyb | @avis-: Sorry! Correction. `/etc/network/interfaces.d/<interface name>` |
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| 02:46.53 | idustyb | @avis-: For me, for example: `/etc/network/interfaces.d/enp2s0f0` - contains my configuration for that device. It's important to consider; this may then conflict with the network-manager applet. |
| 02:47.00 | avis- | nope, i don't dusty, there are three files that don't relfect iwconfig or if/ipconfig. but i do have the directory. wild. i'm using debian 9.4 iso 1 and updated by net |
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| 02:47.23 | idustyb | @Resilience: That NAS I use has a 2GHZ CPU, and 512MB of ram. Bit old for now. It's also only managing a RAID (probably software, tbh) over 4 drives. |
| 02:47.24 | avis- | thank you |
| 02:47.27 | idustyb | @Resilience: How many drives are you going? |
| 02:48.46 | idustyb | @avis-: I have `allow-hotplug enp2s0f0` and `iface enp2s0f0 inet dhcp` in my `/etc/network/interfaces.d/enp2s0f0` file, which works well for me. I can then bring up the interface, if it doesn't automatically (as it should) with `ifup enp2s0f0` |
| 02:49.09 | Resilience | idustyb, I was thinking of a raid-1 (mirror system) with a twin system for hardware redundancy (maybe I am wrong) |
| 02:49.14 | idustyb | @avis-: (Requires `ifdown enp2s0f0` if it's already up, but not functioning) |
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| 02:52.51 | idustyb | @Resilience: Considering the RAID type is a pretty important question. Sounds like you have an awesome, big, project ahead of you ;) |
| 02:53.21 | idustyb | @Resilience: I think I lied before.. Come to think of it; I just used LVM instead of a RAID on those two servers. |
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| 02:54.44 | Resilience | idustyb, call me "innocent" but I thought it was as easy has having a NAS with a samba share plus some kind of control access, with raid-1, and another system which sync's each hour, or so |
| 02:54.46 | idustyb | @Resilience: My 'resilience' was the fact the two environments mirrored eachother, and were co-located. |
| 02:54.52 | tw | Resilience: a good backup policy is likely more cost effective than a twin system, unless uptime is critical. |
| 02:55.35 | idustyb | @Resilience: I agree with tw here. A good backup is important. And the right RAID provides that too. |
| 02:55.48 | idustyb | RAID-5 with 4 drives is a bad idea, btw. |
| 02:55.50 | luke-jr | [01:19:08] <annadane> well, don't install .deb files from the internet <-- to be fair, Debian removed bfgminer for no good reason some months ago, so he may not have a choice |
| 02:55.50 | tw | RAID is not backup. |
| 02:56.13 | Resilience | tw a back up on what tape? hdd's? it seems the same amount of money that having a second unit, and I cannot afford the time without accessing my files |
| 02:56.57 | luke-jr | not that I have any idea what qifan was doing related to bfgminer O.o |
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| 02:57.35 | tw | Resilience: depending on volume and nature of the files, something as simple as plug in USB disks that you rotate could work. |
| 02:57.39 | idustyb | @tw: I agree, and disagree. Sucks :( lol. By very definition, you're right. So I stand corrected, @Resilience. @Resilience: RAID?# is not a a backup. |
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| 02:59.10 | Resilience | idustyb, tw, I know it is not a backup, but for loosing i all, It would have to break 4 disks and two systems... |
| 02:59.13 | nevyn | idustyb: why do you say raid5 with 4 drives is a bade idea? |
| 02:59.26 | Resilience | becasue it is :) |
| 02:59.38 | tw | idustyb: for example, in jan, I had a raid1 system crash the fw on a dell PERC. It then proceeded to eat both disks. |
| 02:59.39 | Resilience | it is know even for me that I cannot explain it |
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| 03:02.13 | idustyb | @nevyn: You only have 1 drive spare, to which all other drives are required to rebuild - which, especially in consumer drives; is asking for failure on one of the others (And then your entire array) |
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| 03:03.39 | idustyb | @nevyn: I can't remember the actual 'term' for this, but one does exist. You're basically encouraging one of the other drives to fail, due to the intense workload in rebuilding the array. |
| 03:04.10 | idustyb | However; Anything over this volume (With 2 spare); RAID5 is my favorite. |
| 03:04.12 | Resilience | idustyb, it is not about the MTBF doesn't it? |
| 03:04.35 | Resilience | idustyb, 2 spares are 5 or 6 disks? |
| 03:06.53 | idustyb | Hmmm.. |
| 03:06.59 | tw | 2 spares is raid6. |
| 03:07.10 | tw | unless you mean hot spares that have no data on them. |
| 03:07.27 | idustyb | Yeah. I'm a liar there again. wtf. |
| 03:07.35 | idustyb | It is RAID6 for two spare. |
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| 03:08.18 | tw | Figure a URE is going to happen every 10 TB or so and you need to do a full read of your array to rebuild it... |
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| 03:09.02 | tw | URE -> usually rebuild fail. |
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| 03:20.38 | idustyb | @tw: That might be the term I'm thinking - 'URE'? I dunno. |
| 03:20.43 | idustyb | @tw: What do you have for your personal setup? |
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| 03:26.55 | tw | idustyb: going way off topic, at home, 4x4TB raid10 nas, 2x6tb raid1 backups, some of the backups rsync to an internet server. |
| 03:27.21 | idustyb | @tw: Roger that. I appreciate your response! Thank you! |
| 03:27.23 | tw | at work it's kind of a cf of 4 generations of storage systems. |
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| 07:16.37 | jakarto | how do I use wget with "--input-file url.txt", if URLs in url.txt contain ranges such as http://example.org/dir{1..9} ? Looks like wget is reading {} as %7B and %7D |
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| 07:17.40 | themill | The better question is, perhaps, why would wget not read { as { but as something else |
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| 07:18.44 | themill | (0x7B is {, after all) |
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| 07:18.52 | jakarto | yes |
| 07:19.28 | jakarto | I guess wget is "url encoding" the URLs |
| 07:20.01 | themill | sure, that's what it should be doing, isn't it? |
| 07:20.07 | themill | isn't seeing the problem |
| 07:20.24 | jakarto | themill: the problem is that I don't know how to use range URLs from a text file |
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| 07:21.02 | themill | I don't think wget has any ability to do ranges of anything |
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| 07:26.49 | n4dir | there probably is a irc channel for wget, if you want to be sure. |
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| 07:29.49 | jakarto | ah cool thank for the pointer |
| 07:30.25 | themill | Perhaps you've been doing this on the command line and your shell has been expanding the range for you |
| 07:30.43 | jakarto | that sounds like a good explanation |
| 07:30.45 | n4dir | you could ask in #bash, as it might well be the problem relates to when and how bash expands { } |
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| 07:37.44 | alkisg | jakarto: bash supports ranges, wget doesn't. So you can't put ranges inside the wget file, it's not a bash script. |
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| 07:39.08 | jakarto | ok, thanks |
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| 07:57.36 | rendar | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cmake/cmake_3.0.2-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.61.240.89 80] |
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| 07:58.07 | rendar | what's the matter with this?! i have just bought a virtual server with debian 8 (Jessie) ..and tried to install very common packets, such as libc |
| 07:58.19 | rendar | why it tells me 404 Not Found? This is absurd. |
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| 08:00.32 | alkisg | rendar: try `apt-get update` first |
| 08:01.32 | rendar | ok |
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| 08:02.07 | rendar | but, isn't jessie the old Debian? should i substitutite it with stretch? |
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| 08:03.09 | morf | rendar: it's old stable, if you want you can; but it's supported up to 2020-04 so you have time :] |
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| 08:03.21 | rendar | :) |
| 08:03.30 | rendar | but i will get newer packages with stretch, will i? |
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| 08:05.05 | alkisg | rendar: apt-get update means "fetch me the package information for jessie, without updating anything at all" |
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| 08:06.10 | rendar | yes, i know that, i was asking if i substitute 'jessie' with 'stretch' and i will make update+upgrade+dist-upgrade, i will have newer packages/kernel |
| 08:06.52 | rendar | hmm, Reading package lists... Done |
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| 08:06.52 | rendar | EF0F382A1A7B6500 |
| 08:06.58 | rendar | what this means? |
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| 08:58.58 | DJ-ArcAngel | when was debian 7 EOL |
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| 09:02.43 | jelly | DJ-ArcAngel: ask the bot via private message, read: "/msg dpkg wheezy" but also "/msg dpkg wheezy-lts" |
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| 09:03.38 | jelly | LTS will end in May 2018, about a month or so left |
| 09:04.07 | DJ-ArcAngel | ah ok, thank you |
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| 09:27.00 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
| 09:27.07 | ychaouche | my /tmp/ directory is empty. |
| 09:28.37 | Haohmaru | is that bad? |
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| 09:29.13 | ychaouche | that's what I'm asking myself |
| 09:29.21 | ychaouche | I'm not used to finding an empty /tmp/ |
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| 09:30.02 | ychaouche | df -h shows no value that is superior to 10% use |
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| 09:50.42 | Tsutsukakushi | hey, does any of you know how prevent debootstrap from connecting to a mirror |
| 09:50.47 | Tsutsukakushi | and instead using the tarball |
| 09:51.16 | Tsutsukakushi | there was some workaround with just having the Release file in a local directory |
| 09:51.18 | Tsutsukakushi | but |
| 09:51.30 | Tsutsukakushi | there should be some better way to do this as well |
| 09:52.48 | Tsutsukakushi | it seems to still download from the mirror even with --unpack-tarball on |
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| 10:10.44 | furrymcgee | Tsutsukakushi: debootstrap accepts file URL for example debootstrap sid tmp file:///media/cdrom |
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| 10:13.14 | Tsutsukakushi | furrymcgee: but that has to be an actual mirror |
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| 10:13.25 | Tsutsukakushi | furrymcgee: i want to use the tarball feature |
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| 10:43.42 | ychaouche | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.53 | ychaouche | I don't know how to do any of the two |
| 10:45.21 | ychaouche | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:48.42 | rmrfchik | hi. I have ip camera (rtsp is supported). How can I stream it via web page under debian? |
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| 10:54.53 | Haohmaru | you want to make a page where it can be watched? |
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| 10:56.12 | rmrfchik | Haohmaru, yes |
| 10:56.24 | Haohmaru | no idea |
| 10:56.56 | rmrfchik | rtsp requires login/password and I can watch it with VLC. Now I want to somehow show it on web without login/password |
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| 11:14.46 | Kelsar | i try to install phpmyadmin without apache, nginx-extras is allready installed. even with "apt-get install --no-install-recommends phpmyadmin" apache is selected to be installed, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 11:17.14 | NeuhNeuh | Hello ! :) |
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| 11:24.39 | Kelsar | ok, difference is, without recommends it will "only" apache2-bin instead of apache2 |
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| 11:28.13 | Kelsar | seems to be php pulling in apache by default |
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| 11:30.01 | jelly | Kelsar: what if you install php-fpm first, then install your thing that depends on (any) php |
| 11:30.17 | jelly | or both in the same command |
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| 11:31.14 | jelly | ,depends phpmyadmin |
| 11:31.15 | judd | Package phpmyadmin in stretch/amd64 -- depends: php, php-cli, php-mysql, php-json, php-mbstring, php-xml, perl, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libjs-sphinxdoc (>= 1.0), dbconfig-mysql | dbconfig-no-thanks | dbconfig-common (<< 2.0.0), php-php-gettext | php-gettext (<= 1:7.0), php-phpseclib (>= 2.0), ucf (>= 0.28). |
| 11:31.17 | Kelsar | jelly: yes, that works, had a typo in my ansible role, php-fpm 1st prevents that |
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| 11:31.33 | jelly | ,whatprovides php |
| 11:31.35 | judd | Package php in stretch/amd64 is provided by: php7.0. php is also a real package. |
| 11:31.42 | jelly | !#%5@# |
| 11:31.45 | jelly | ,whatprovides php7.0 |
| 11:31.46 | judd | In stretch/amd64, php7.0 is a real package. |
| 11:31.58 | jelly | is it now |
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| 11:32.14 | jelly | ,depends php7.0 |
| 11:32.15 | judd | Package php7.0 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libapache2-mod-php7.0 | php7.0-fpm | php7.0-cgi, php7.0-common. |
| 11:32.19 | jelly | and there it is |
| 11:32.37 | babilen | Yeah, -fpm has to be installed first or apache is pulled in |
| 11:32.52 | babilen | Bit annoying that sometimes |
| 11:33.07 | ksk | Hey Guys. How do I disable/alter the screensaver in debian9/xfce? I tired to google and came to a "settings editor" - but I dont find any reference to screensaver. thanks! |
| 11:33.08 | jelly | so apachecentric! |
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| 11:36.17 | morf | ksk: power manager |
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| 11:41.18 | ksk | morf: thx |
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| 12:02.53 | ewew | Hi. Is the apu A10-9700 supported in debian ? |
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| 12:11.17 | RoyK | ewew: I don't see why not - it's just an amd x64 |
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| 12:12.06 | ewew | because of the apu inside is r7 graphic. But the firmware available for it is series 200. |
| 12:12.40 | ewew | And i can not dig out the info which series it has. |
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| 12:54.16 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
| 12:54.17 | netscape101 | anyone familiar with this package: libpng16-dev mentioned here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48948053/error-while-loading-shared-libraries-libpng16-so-16 I assume it is an ubuntu package. any idae how I can install it on debian? |
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| 12:59.46 | themill | ,i libpng-dev |
| 12:59.47 | judd | Package libpng-dev (libdevel, optional) in stretch/amd64: PNG library - development (version 1.6). Version: 1.6.28-1; Size: 244.6k; Installed: 638k; Homepage: http://libpng.org/pub/png/libpng.html |
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| 13:00.50 | themill | (needing random packages implies that you're installing things not designed for debian; when that breaks, you get to keep both pieces) |
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| 13:02.04 | boudiccas | I'm using debian 9 and am finding my access to a freenode group called 'ledger' blocked. the hexchat message that I'm getting is "Only users using SSL could join this channel!" so how can i install SSl please? I've doen an Apt-cache search but I don't know which program i should use |
| 13:02.44 | netscape101 | boudiccas: /server -ssl irc.freenode.net |
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| 13:02.54 | themill | boudiccas: this is about your irc client configuration |
| 13:03.04 | boudiccas | ah, right. thanks |
| 13:03.07 | ewew | boudiccas use the ssl port number 6697 |
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| 13:31.25 | jubalh | are all debian packages on salsa? or does this depend on the maintainer? |
| 13:32.17 | themill | no, yes. |
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| 13:33.32 | jubalh | what is a reliable way to get the changelog file contained in .deb files if one doesnt run debian on that machine? I thought about looking in salsa. maybe there is another way |
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| 13:33.58 | themill | From tracker.d.o or from the .deb |
| 13:34.22 | themill | or metadata.ftp-master.d.o |
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| 13:35.46 | Tsutsukakushi | hey guys |
| 13:35.53 | Tsutsukakushi | didn't get any good response earlier today |
| 13:36.12 | Tsutsukakushi | is there any way to get the --unpack-tarball functionality in debootstrap to work |
| 13:36.19 | Tsutsukakushi | or is this functionality simply broken? |
| 13:36.45 | jubalh | perfect, thank you themill |
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| 13:37.35 | themill | Tsutsukakushi: you might need to describe how it's not working |
| 13:37.53 | Tsutsukakushi | themill: it still tries to download everything from the mirror |
| 13:37.59 | Tsutsukakushi | and does not unpack and use the contents of the tarball |
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| 13:38.20 | Tsutsukakushi | description in the manpage for --unpack-tarball=FILE is: |
| 13:38.22 | Tsutsukakushi | Acquire .debs from tarball FILE instead of downloading via http. |
| 13:38.28 | Tsutsukakushi | but this is not what happens |
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| 13:38.46 | Tsutsukakushi | seems to be case for other users on the web as well |
| 13:39.52 | alkisg | Tsutsukakushi: and did you create that .tar with debootstrap --make-tarball? |
| 13:40.00 | Tsutsukakushi | yes |
| 13:40.09 | alkisg | Can you share the exact commands? |
| 13:42.11 | Tsutsukakushi | fakeroot /usr/sbin/debootstrap --verbose --foreign --variant=minbase --arch=amd64 --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --make-tarball=debian-amd64.tgz stretch /tmp/tmp.BTbNIeT3gq http://deb.debian.org/debian |
| 13:42.16 | Tsutsukakushi | and |
| 13:43.31 | allizom | I'm trying to create a bridge to share my internet connection from the wireless interface in my laptop to a virtual machine I will run there. I'm using NetworkManager. Though I've previously set up a bridge using the wired ethernet connection, and it worked, in this case nmcli c up is able to activate the bridge, but not the slave connection, which fails with "Error: can't activate connection" (it's actually a localized |
| 13:43.33 | allizom | Here are configs and logs: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1018833 |
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| 13:43.38 | Tsutsukakushi | sudo debootstrap --verbose --no-check-gpg --foreign --unpack-tarball="$PWD"/debian-amd64.tgz --arch=amd64 stretch /tmp/tmp.CnM7tTpaVn http://deb.debian.org/debian |
| 13:43.59 | Tsutsukakushi | i added the mirror at the end because it seems to be implcit if not mentioned |
| 13:44.33 | themill | Tsutsukakushi: seems to work here |
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| 13:44.51 | Tsutsukakushi | changing the mirror to "file:///localmirror" and having just the Release file in the localmirror does not work, though someone on some forums said it did for him |
| 13:45.06 | Li | the darn battery died without notification from on debian and I lost all opened windows! how to fix debian power problems once and for all? |
| 13:45.10 | Tsutsukakushi | themill: when you run the second command do you see lines that say "Retrieving" ? |
| 13:45.12 | Tsutsukakushi | or start with |
| 13:45.45 | themill | Tsutsukakushi: sure, that doesn't mean it's not using the tarball |
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| 13:56.26 | AquaFiX | do i created ftp access using vsftp |
| 13:56.32 | AquaFiX | againt all advice to my root account, yes |
| 13:56.59 | AquaFiX | my root account can access some directories, but not others, even after applying chown, and chroot -R 777 dir-here/// |
| 13:57.03 | AquaFiX | vsftpd |
| 13:57.47 | FinalX | please, for additional entertainment, tell us you're not using a secure method and are on a public wifi. |
| 13:58.34 | AquaFiX | i am at the mall on my 2004 windows xp pirated installation |
| 13:59.01 | AquaFiX | so what's the issue |
| 13:59.04 | AquaFiX | it's only a local server |
| 13:59.08 | AquaFiX | with no wan access |
| 13:59.15 | AquaFiX | but i cannot access the folder i want |
| 13:59.36 | AquaFiX | i can access all files/folders up to the folder that includes the information that i want to access |
| 13:59.47 | AquaFiX | so i must of set something right, but i cant get access to the files within |
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| 14:00.24 | ikarosuusi | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:00.24 | ikarosuusi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:00.39 | ikarosuusi | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 14:00.53 | ikarosuusi | i have problem concentrating |
| 14:01.01 | ikarosuusi | and so many problems |
| 14:01.02 | morf | disconnect from irc :] |
| 14:01.07 | ikarosuusi | help |
| 14:01.24 | ikarosuusi | i dont even know what udev does |
| 14:01.26 | AquaFiX | can you explain why chmod -R directory/here |
| 14:01.29 | ikarosuusi | it listens to devices? |
| 14:01.45 | ikarosuusi | im trying to install obs |
| 14:01.50 | morf | ikarosuusi: device manager |
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| 14:01.52 | ikarosuusi | im artist please help not linux guru |
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| 14:02.27 | ikarosuusi | so many other problems too building obs but this one i cannot comprehend |
| 14:02.31 | ikarosuusi | how have I held packages |
| 14:02.36 | ikarosuusi | like i have kidnapped them |
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| 14:02.38 | ikarosuusi | but i have not |
| 14:03.00 | morf | i'm depressed already just by reading it |
| 14:03.08 | ikarosuusi | yes me too |
| 14:03.33 | ikarosuusi | like how can it depend on something barely a version old |
| 14:03.45 | ikarosuusi | like third of a version old and not backwards compatible |
| 14:03.50 | ikarosuusi | ... |
| 14:03.55 | ikarosuusi | and i dont even know what held it |
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| 14:04.41 | ikarosuusi | just do some more morf eene and then your depression will go away and you can help me |
| 14:04.59 | ikarosuusi | i even gave you joke now :) |
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| 14:06.48 | ikarosuusi | usually apt gives me some kind of advice but now it only tells me |
| 14:06.57 | ikarosuusi | libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (= 232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed |
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| 14:07.26 | ikarosuusi | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 14:07.55 | |aaron | Are hyphen and underscores in /etc/network/interfaces interchangeable? |
| 14:07.57 | ikarosuusi | how can i unhold it? |
| 14:08.10 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Give a specific example of what you're trying to do? |
| 14:08.32 | ikarosuusi | how can i tell it to not install the wrong one |
| 14:08.38 | ikarosuusi | im not installing anything else |
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| 14:08.41 | ikarosuusi | theres nothing on the list |
| 14:08.49 | ikarosuusi | if i do force install nothing is installing no problem |
| 14:08.51 | |aaron | hyperlumic: well im trying to troubleshoot a bonded and bridged interface, and i keep seeing conflicting examples of config settings online. like "bond_mode 802.3ad" vs "bond-mode 802.3ad" |
| 14:08.59 | ikarosuusi | but when i try to install udev dev then suddenly im holding some package |
| 14:09.03 | ikarosuusi | like what the fuck seriously |
| 14:09.10 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Ah. No, they're not interchangeable. For bonding, use the hyphenated forms. |
| 14:09.26 | |aaron | ahhh thats my problem then |
| 14:09.29 | hyperlumic | |aaron: At least, I am 99% sure they're not, and I use the hyphenated forms for my LACP configuration. |
| 14:10.11 | |aaron | i think maybe the debian version matters too? my config was fine on debian 8, just upgraded to 9 when i started having issues |
| 14:10.17 | ikarosuusi | like i got so many other problems in life but this is the one that makes me want to shoot people |
| 14:10.23 | ikarosuusi | but thats what you debian guys want right? |
| 14:10.38 | ikarosuusi | make people install your system then put them in impossible situation |
| 14:10.44 | ikarosuusi | and then when they and i come to ask for help |
| 14:10.47 | hyperlumic | |aaron: I used the same format in 8 as I do now. |
| 14:10.53 | ikarosuusi | you go "oh i get depressed by just reading that" |
| 14:11.00 | ikarosuusi | like seriously change your attitude and help me |
| 14:11.04 | |aaron | the examples here use underscores https://wiki.debian.org/Bonding |
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| 14:11.28 | |aaron | hah, well example 1 does, #2 uses hyphens |
| 14:11.29 | ikarosuusi | libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (= 232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed |
| 14:11.29 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Honestly, that page is quite out of date. |
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| 14:11.32 | ikarosuusi | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 14:11.57 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Pastebin what you currently have, and I'll see if I can help you get it working. |
| 14:12.27 | |aaron | hyperlumic: https://paste.ee/p/BaV3s it works intermittently like this |
| 14:12.44 | hyperlumic | Oh god, no wonder. |
| 14:12.58 | hyperlumic | Okay, sit tight. |
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| 14:13.15 | |aaron | haha oh man is it that obvious? i was tearing my hair out all day yesterday over this.. |
| 14:13.19 | MrKeuner | hi, what's wrong with this? sudo apt-get install nscd=2.24-11 |
| 14:13.26 | MrKeuner | Running Debian 9.3 |
| 14:13.38 | MrKeuner | E: Version '2.24-11' for 'nscd' was not found |
| 14:14.27 | ikarosuusi | MrKeuner maybe try older mirror? |
| 14:14.31 | ikarosuusi | some old stable? |
| 14:14.39 | hyperlumic | |aaron: https://paste.debian.net/1018848/ |
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| 14:15.18 | |aaron | oh wow yeah thats different |
| 14:15.47 | ikarosuusi | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. THEN cmake -DUNIX_STRUCTURE=1 -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr .. |
| 14:15.52 | ikarosuusi | ehh wtf |
| 14:16.00 | ikarosuusi | broken clipboard lol |
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| 14:16.13 | sag3 | MrKeuner: nscd=2.24-11+deb9u3 is probably what you want |
| 14:16.15 | ikarosuusi | i guess people have given up on linux clipboard lmao |
| 14:16.30 | ikarosuusi | dpkg --get-selections | grep hold = NOTHING |
| 14:16.30 | dpkg | selects ikarosuusi's ultra-s3kr3t collection |
| 14:16.56 | ikarosuusi | thanks |
| 14:17.22 | hyperlumic | |aaron: I get why your config stopped working when you upgraded to 9. :) |
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| 14:18.11 | ikarosuusi | libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (= 232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed?? WHY? Why isn't it installing it already then?! |
| 14:18.41 | |aaron | hyperlumic: i guess 9 requires the slaves declaration as opposed to bond-master? |
| 14:19.15 | n4dir | MrKeuner: use the version apt-cache show nscd ; shows |
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| 14:19.37 | ikarosuusi | --fix-broken: cmake -DUNIX_STRUCTURE=1 -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr .. |
| 14:19.50 | ikarosuusi | --fix-broken: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 14:19.57 | ikarosuusi | so how is it conflicting? |
| 14:20.11 | ikarosuusi | libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (= 232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed |
| 14:20.13 | ikarosuusi | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 14:20.21 | ikarosuusi | how is it conflicting if I'm not installing anything else? |
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| 14:20.41 | ikarosuusi | what can I do about it? |
| 14:20.55 | ikarosuusi | remove udev and then pray it will install and not just ruin everything? |
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| 14:22.15 | |aaron | hyperlumic: that didnt work unfortunately |
| 14:22.50 | |aaron | bond0 and its slave interfaces are all in DOWN status after rebooting |
| 14:23.12 | |aaron | `ifup eth1` gives me unknown interface |
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| 14:25.35 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Sure, because eth1 isn't really controlled by ifupdown at that point. |
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| 14:25.51 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Any log events that might indicate why the bond interface didn't come up? |
| 14:25.55 | MrKeuner | n4dir, thank you, I assumed I didn't need the deb9u1 part |
| 14:26.01 | MrKeuner | wrongly |
| 14:26.53 | n4dir | what confused me is that packages.debian.org shows a different version number for stable deb9u3 (no clue why, btw). |
| 14:27.02 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Um, to verify... You DO have the 'ifenslave' package installed, yes? |
| 14:27.17 | n4dir | ,nscd |
| 14:27.19 | |aaron | yeah its installed |
| 14:27.20 | n4dir | damnit. |
| 14:27.38 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Comb through /var/log/messages and see if there's anything relevant. |
| 14:27.55 | |aaron | i dont see anyhting about bond0 in the logsbut i do see some errors like 'vmbr0: port 4(veth103i0) entered blocking state' then entered disabled state |
| 14:28.09 | hyperlumic | Yeah, because its "physical" interface is down. |
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| 14:29.00 | hyperlumic | Is there anything in /proc/net/bonding/bond0 ? |
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| 14:29.48 | |aaron | hyperlumic: yeah, this cant be right https://paste.ee/p/gnCN1 |
| 14:30.07 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Okay, the only time I've seen that is when ifenslave is not, actually, installed. |
| 14:30.16 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Can you verify that via dpkg? |
| 14:30.48 | |aaron | apt-get install ifenslave says its there |
| 14:31.12 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Anything in /etc/modules or /etc/modprobe.d? |
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| 14:32.02 | MrKeuner | n4dir, there is a local repo in comany probably cached a while ago. |
| 14:32.03 | |aaron | no not really |
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| 14:32.13 | |aaron | nothing relevant |
| 14:32.34 | hyperlumic | |aaron: The only other thing I've seen do this is when something creates the bond interface, and then tries to change the mode after an interface has been enslaved to the bond interface. |
| 14:32.47 | hyperlumic | |aaron: So it gets stuck in round-robin, for instance. |
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| 14:33.11 | |aaron | yeah its in round robin according to /proc |
| 14:33.20 | JordiGH | Stinkpad X1 gen 5, you think Debian stable can handle it? |
| 14:33.24 | hyperlumic | |aaron: grep -R bond0 /etc/network - Anything come up outside of /e/n/i? |
| 14:34.01 | |aaron | yeah some files in /etc/network/run |
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| 14:34.14 | |aaron | ifstate.bond0, .eth0 etc |
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| 14:35.42 | hyperlumic | |aaron: grep bonding /var/log/syslog ? |
| 14:36.12 | ikarosuusi | sudo apt -f install libudev-dev=232-25+deb9u2 |
| 14:36.12 | ikarosuusi | libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (= 232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed |
| 14:36.15 | ikarosuusi | why? |
| 14:36.27 | |aaron | hyperlumic: nothing at all |
| 14:36.36 | ikarosuusi | why are you ignoring me? |
| 14:36.46 | ikarosuusi | this is absolutely ridiculously frustrating! |
| 14:37.12 | hyperlumic | |aaron: That's really bizarre. Okay, odd request. apt purge ifenslave and reinstall it. |
| 14:37.20 | ikarosuusi | first you tell me install linux it's open source and spy free and everything is nice and then when i encounter problem NOBODY GIVES A FUCK |
| 14:37.35 | ikarosuusi | you autistic shithead motherfuckers in the literal sense |
| 14:37.44 | |aaron | hyperlumic: if i remove thats its going to uninstall proxmox |
| 14:38.06 | hyperlumic | And there's the wildcard. |
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| 14:38.20 | hyperlumic | Proxmox mangles the system in a lot of funky ways, even if it's installed on top of Debian. |
| 14:38.31 | hyperlumic | !proxmox |
| 14:38.31 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 14:38.58 | |aaron | yeah ##proxmox has not been helpful... so you think the issue is specific to it? |
| 14:39.01 | JordiGH | ikarosuusi: Also force the version of libudev, add libudev=232-25+deb9u2 on the apt line. Although I'm not sure why you're doing this. |
| 14:39.22 | hyperlumic | |aaron: Yes. The bonding configuration I gave you was nearly a copy and paste off of one of my Debian servers. I only changed the interface names. |
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| 14:39.29 | JordiGH | ikarosuusi: Downgrading packages isn't generally supported, but it might work in this case. |
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| 14:39.47 | |aaron | sigh. well i guess im finding a new hypervisor today |
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| 14:39.55 | hyperlumic | |aaron: I was never able to get bonding working on Proxmox correctly, incidentally. |
| 14:40.07 | |aaron | it worked fine for me for years until i upgraded yesterday |
| 14:40.12 | jelly | |aaron: what are your interfaces actually called right now? "ip link show" |
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| 14:40.27 | mappores | is there a simple way to download all the manpages in debian, for example an archive? Or are man pages stored within every package? |
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| 14:40.32 | jelly | or "ip l" |
| 14:40.40 | |aaron | jelly: which ones? eth1+eth2+eth3 are the bonded nic, bond0 is the bond group, vmbr0 is the bridge |
| 14:40.56 | jelly | all of them. pastebin the output. |
| 14:41.18 | |aaron | jelly: https://paste.ee/p/Jx4bI |
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| 14:41.59 | jelly | okay, that looks sane |
| 14:42.22 | n4dir | mappores: if you install a package, then it comes with the manpage. There is also "apt-cache show manpages", which seems to explain the difference |
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| 14:42.37 | n4dir | and, to make it worse, there are also the posix manpages and the funny manpages ... |
| 14:43.17 | mappores | n4dir: do i have to install a package to install the manpage? Can I get only the collection of manpages? |
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| 14:43.21 | SpeakerToMeat | if a package source has debian/patches/series it's quilt based, right? |
| 14:43.29 | n4dir | mappores: i don't know, sorry. |
| 14:43.44 | n4dir | some claim the posix manpages are "better" (whatever that might mean). |
| 14:44.07 | jelly | |aaron: which kernel are you using right now? uname -a? |
| 14:44.12 | ikarosuusi | libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (= 232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed |
| 14:44.15 | ikarosuusi | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 14:44.16 | ikarosuusi | HELP |
| 14:44.22 | |aaron | jelly: Linux queen 4.13.16-1-pve #1 SMP PVE 4.13.16-45 (Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:47:11 +0200) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:44.22 | ikarosuusi | I NEED TO FUCKING INSTALL THAT SHIT |
| 14:44.34 | jelly | ikarosuusi: read this and provide all the info: |
| 14:44.40 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 14:44.40 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:44.44 | Tenkawa | ikarosuusi: you are going to be banned.... |
| 14:45.25 | ikarosuusi | Tenkawa take your autistic brain to a hike |
| 14:45.30 | Tenkawa | just calm down.. |
| 14:45.37 | hyperlumic | ikarosuusi: Bad move. |
| 14:45.54 | Tenkawa | its a lot easier to fix this if you think this through |
| 14:46.05 | jelly | ikarosuusi: keep your comments in here to technically relevant for your problem here. I understand you're frustrated but venting does not make people moreeager to help. |
| 14:46.05 | ikarosuusi | you don't think I'm in some serious pain here? I'm trying as CALM as possible |
| 14:46.22 | ikarosuusi | I just see 0 response only morf saying he is depressed seeing me having this problem |
| 14:46.27 | n4dir | stop chatting and give the info jelly asked for. |
| 14:46.28 | ikarosuusi | so yeah you may wonder why I react like this |
| 14:46.33 | Tenkawa | its looking for a package too many versions higher... ' |
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| 14:46.45 | ikarosuusi | so I'm now going to do what jelly told me,... |
| 14:46.52 | Tenkawa | first.. you need to figure out why |
| 14:47.01 | ikarosuusi | 10:43 < n4dir> mappores: i don't know, sorry. |
| 14:47.11 | jelly | ikarosuusi: keep your comments in here to technically relevant for your problem here, no need to talk about how noone's helping |
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| 14:48.02 | mappores | ikarosuusi: ? |
| 14:48.09 | ikarosuusi | yeah i know dude it's just that I had this great flow going on and then this happened |
| 14:48.32 | ikarosuusi | ehh idk mappores you go and figure linux clipboard out |
| 14:49.10 | jelly | |aaron: I've seen some old kernels/eth drivers where link had to be manually brought up first to make bonding and 802.1q vlans work |
| 14:49.31 | jelly | |aaron: seeing as you're using a custom kernel, perhaps it has similar bugs |
| 14:49.34 | |aaron | jelly: so if i do that it will work, but only intermittently |
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| 14:49.59 | Tenkawa | brb.. rebooting to linux |
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| 14:50.21 | Lavinho | good afternoon |
| 14:50.25 | jelly | |aaron: I'd say contact your kernel vendor, as a starting point |
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| 14:50.39 | |aaron | yeah they have not been helpful at all, thats what i spent all day yesterday doing |
| 14:51.23 | Lavinho | I installed debian 9 on lenovo thinkpad x60 with libreboot, but when it starts it gets the black screen |
| 14:51.25 | jelly | in any case, proxmon does so many changes we don't consider it supportable here |
| 14:51.26 | jhutchins_wk | 2~/whois ikarosuusi |
| 14:51.38 | jelly | can't type today |
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| 14:52.12 | Lavinho | help me please |
| 14:53.01 | |aaron | jelly, i understand, thank you |
| 14:53.16 | jhutchins_wk | Lavinho: Black screen with no cursor? Can you switch to a console with Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
| 14:53.49 | Lavinho | stopped cursor |
| 14:54.10 | ikarosuusi | ok here's the complete output for the libudev-dev "package held" thingy: http://paste.debian.net/1018856/ |
| 14:54.27 | ikarosuusi | thanks for pitching in jelly at least one sane response :) |
| 14:54.45 | Lavinho | no switch |
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| 14:55.28 | themill | ikarosuusi: you need to add stretch-updates back into your sources.list |
| 14:55.58 | jelly | security.debian.org seems to be missing as well |
| 14:56.00 | ikarosuusi | is it just the same with -updates after stretch? |
| 14:56.08 | jelly | !stretch sources.list |
| 14:56.08 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 14:56.25 | ikarosuusi | owwee |
| 14:56.50 | ikarosuusi | oh my this is so much new stuff right here |
| 14:57.03 | Lavinho | jhutchins_wk: help me please |
| 14:57.09 | jelly | why is systemd in vola^H^H^H^H-updates |
| 14:57.15 | ikarosuusi | should my mirror provide all of those? |
| 14:57.21 | jelly | it ought to yes |
| 14:57.39 | jelly | except for security.d.o |
| 14:57.41 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: is it an official debian mirror from the list? |
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| 14:58.32 | themill | ikarosuusi: by the looks of what you have installed, you used to have those in your sources.list and removed them recently |
| 14:58.33 | ikarosuusi | BCMM yeah it is but for some reason in my sources.list (what i have commented out) there is security.debian.org instead of tumpetti.atm.tut.fi |
| 14:58.41 | greycat | If "my mirror" means "I chose a mirror from the list because the auto redirector thingy kept giving me broken/slow mirrors" then sure. |
| 14:58.52 | greycat | If "my mirror" means "I am trying to build my own Debian mirror", then stop that. |
| 14:59.01 | BCMM | ikarosuusi: yes, as jelly says, security usually comes straight from debian.org |
| 14:59.02 | ikarosuusi | :D yeah greycat the former :D |
| 14:59.05 | BCMM | i don't know why, actually |
| 14:59.08 | SpeakerToMeat | ikarosuusi: And updates and security are important repos to have |
| 14:59.13 | ikarosuusi | oh wow so much help |
| 14:59.16 | ikarosuusi | ok nice |
| 14:59.18 | ikarosuusi | will try now |
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| 15:00.02 | jhutchins_wk | !libreboot |
| 15:00.17 | Lavinho | yes |
| 15:01.08 | jhutchins_wk | Lavinho: Not a Debian thing, but I would guess that your problem is with video drivers. You'll need to boot to rescue mode or use a live image (or the installer). |
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| 15:02.14 | ikarosuusi | hey where is this guy why is it not in my sources.list but it still keeps coming up even after I mentally admitted that I made an error and then checked sources.list that it's not there anymore Ign:19 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kirillshkrogalev/ffmpeg-next/ubuntu bionic InRelease |
| 15:02.30 | ikarosuusi | " :D " |
| 15:02.39 | Lavinho | even in recovery mode does not initialize |
| 15:02.45 | jelly | ikarosuusi: somewhere under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 15:02.55 | ikarosuusi | thanks |
| 15:03.03 | ikarosuusi | btw libudev-dev installing as i type |
| 15:03.10 | ikarosuusi | soooo grateful :) |
| 15:03.14 | ikarosuusi | all the pain flowing away |
| 15:03.17 | ikarosuusi | smile shining |
| 15:03.19 | ikarosuusi | ahhh |
| 15:03.22 | ikarosuusi | this is life |
| 15:03.29 | jelly | that'll be $3.50 |
| 15:03.32 | hyperlumic | ikarosuusi: Yeah, as a future note, don't use Ubuntu sources or PPAs in Debian... There be dragons. |
| 15:04.03 | ikarosuusi | hyperlumic yeah I though the link was for debian so I grabbed the first line that seemed like a debian line ;) |
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| 15:04.30 | ikarosuusi | I managed to ctrl-c the installation process but yeah |
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| 15:05.30 | ikarosuusi | i have to say you debian people are the best people in the world |
| 15:06.08 | BCMM | !why not use a ppa |
| 15:06.09 | dpkg | PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>. |
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| 15:07.38 | ikarosuusi | is this something I should be concerned with?: |
| 15:07.46 | jelly | ikarosuusi: we just pretend well. |
| 15:07.47 | ikarosuusi | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. \ perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: \ LANGUAGE = "", \ LC_ALL = (unset), \ LANG = "en_FI.UTF-8" \ are supported and installed on your system. \ perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). \ locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or |
| 15:07.53 | ikarosuusi | directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 15:08.03 | SpeakerToMeat | Sigh I need to find why I can't compile well on my debian at work |
| 15:08.11 | jelly | what sort of locale is en_FI |
| 15:08.14 | ikarosuusi | seems like harmless error to me but will it kick me in the toe later on? |
| 15:08.20 | ikarosuusi | it's finnish locale |
| 15:08.36 | greycat | English As Spoken In Finland ? |
| 15:08.45 | ikarosuusi | they made it that way because fi_FI sounds like something thats trying to be a dog but can barely bark |
| 15:08.50 | tw | SpeakerToMeat: that's a pretty generic problem |
| 15:09.00 | ikarosuusi | IDK honestly |
| 15:09.02 | jelly | ikarosuusi: you can't just invent locale and hope it works |
| 15:09.13 | ikarosuusi | jelly it became like that during debian install |
| 15:09.21 | ikarosuusi | english language but finnish localisation |
| 15:09.42 | jelly | locale -a |grep en_ does not show it for me on stretch, and I have locales-all installed |
| 15:09.54 | greycat | I'm looking at dpkg-reconfigure locales in stretch right now and I do *NOT* see en_FI in this list. |
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| 15:10.04 | ikarosuusi | yeah that's something debian came up with automatically during install.. |
| 15:10.11 | greycat | Well then fix it. |
| 15:10.14 | babilen | is particular fond of en_DE and en_SCOT :) |
| 15:10.27 | SpeakerToMeat | tw: Yeah I can't figure how to begin debugging this. the trouble is, packages I compile on at work have dependecies at install that they don't at home, and it looks like it's some "confusion" about architecture. I'm building on and for amd64 in both cases, but at work they gain dependecies like lib64gcc1 lib64stdc++6 and libc6-amd64 |
| 15:10.27 | ikarosuusi | babilen understands me :) |
| 15:10.36 | greycat | Well I fucking don't. Fix it. |
| 15:10.41 | ikarosuusi | haha ok |
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| 15:11.58 | ikarosuusi | greycat should I google how to or... |
| 15:12.06 | greycat | export LANG=C |
| 15:12.13 | greycat | after that you can fine-tune it to your actual needs |
| 15:12.32 | Tenkawa | yeah I dont see that one in my list either |
| 15:12.39 | greycat | the most important thing is to have an ACTUAL locale chosen, and your made-up bullshit en_FI is not one of them |
| 15:12.42 | jelly | LANG=C.UTF-8 is probably saner at this point |
| 15:12.45 | annadane | what is the command to use to figure out what another command does when there's not a man page? |
| 15:12.55 | tw | SpeakerToMeat: do you have those installed on your home system? Those are both standard automatic links. |
| 15:12.55 | greycat | annadane: if it's a shell builtin, use "help" |
| 15:12.58 | jelly | instead of 7-bit ascii |
| 15:13.09 | annadane | ty |
| 15:13.49 | jelly | ikarosuusi: you could have LANG set to en_US.UTF-8 but LC_TIME or LC_COLLATE to fi_FI.UTF-8 for specific bits in /etc/default/locale |
| 15:14.18 | ikarosuusi | should I then choose fifi instead of c? |
| 15:14.20 | jelly | I do it the other way round, have LANG=hr_HR.UTF-8 but LC_MESSAGES and some others set to C |
| 15:14.23 | greycat | hopefully in your personal ~/.profile or whatever instead of system-wide to inflict your weird preferences on everyone |
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| 15:14.36 | jelly | er. I'm going to fix that to C.UTF-8 right now of course |
| 15:14.49 | jelly | it's their system |
| 15:14.56 | jelly | they can do whatever they want |
| 15:15.10 | ikarosuusi | my system is me wide |
| 15:15.16 | greycat | You think that now. |
| 15:15.27 | ikarosuusi | point |
| 15:15.36 | SpeakerToMeat | tw: I have lib64gcc1:i386 installed yes, lib64gcc1:amd64 doesn't exist in the repositories I have. and when installing my built package dpkg asks for "plain" lib64gcc1 which should default to lib64gcc1:amd64 here but most importantly, if I build the same package on my home machine lib64gcc1 is not added to dependecies |
| 15:15.43 | greycat | This is a BAD habit that you are embedding into your brain and it will cause problems later on if you ever become a system administrator, or if you ever add an account for your sister, or whatever. |
| 15:15.49 | jelly | multiuser workstations only exist in enterprise |
| 15:16.09 | SpeakerToMeat | tw: To me it looks like the build tools think I'm trying to build a 64 bit package for a 32 bit system or something like it |
| 15:16.23 | ikarosuusi | what jelly is saying is true, I've been sitting in from of these monitors for quite the while without this system being wider than it is now |
| 15:16.28 | ikarosuusi | I mean for decades |
| 15:16.40 | ikarosuusi | like 2 of them |
| 15:16.46 | jelly | and if their sister speaks a different language, she can customize her own env in HOME :-) |
| 15:17.37 | Tenkawa | everything should start generalized and allow users to set their own personalization (imho) |
| 15:17.39 | greycat | but the hard-coded crap in /etc/default/locale has already broken the settings that sis carefully set up on her client system and propagated through ssh |
| 15:17.43 | jelly | but yeah, machines at work won't have silly global defaults like that |
| 15:17.58 | Tenkawa | dont force something on them immediately |
| 15:18.00 | |aaron | jellly: you were right about my older kernel needing the slave interfaces brought up first. also apparently in debian 9 i need to declare bond-mode on each bond slave interface when i do it that way. thats why it was working intermittently before, it was coming up but defaulting to round-robin mode |
| 15:18.10 | jelly | greycat: it shouldn't. ssh overrides pam_env |
| 15:18.42 | jelly | try it. |
| 15:19.07 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: I think he means config files copied over scp? |
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| 15:19.16 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: No I think you're right, nevermind |
| 15:19.21 | ikarosuusi | what book should I read so I could join you marvels? |
| 15:19.33 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: no, openssh client passes LANG and LC_* env. vars from client to remote |
| 15:19.35 | greycat | No, I mean exactly what I said, but if it has changed since etch/lenny or whenever I last tested it, then jelly may be correct. |
| 15:19.39 | SpeakerToMeat | ikarosuusi: Only time will do thast, time and lots and lots of tiny fights |
| 15:19.40 | greycat | "Try it" is a hell of a long struggle now... |
| 15:19.45 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: yeah |
| 15:20.20 | jelly | remember when OSX clients had issues logging in to Debian because different locale names? |
| 15:20.26 | jelly | Pepperidge farm remembers. |
| 15:21.05 | themill | I made a factoid about that 7 years ago so it was common enough then |
| 15:21.21 | jelly | |aaron: I'm going to preemptively blame ifupdown and/or systemd for this breakage |
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| 15:21.37 | |aaron | hahaha. if in doubt, blame systemd lol |
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| 15:21.59 | JordiGH | Even if I could just image a stinkpad X1's ssd with the current Debian install I have on an x220/x250, it probably wouldn't work, right? |
| 15:22.06 | |aaron | seriously thank you though, your comment really helped to figure that out. been driving me nuts |
| 15:22.08 | JordiGH | I really am not looking forward to doing a Debian installation. |
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| 15:22.32 | ikarosuusi | debian has been the best thing I've encountered in a loooong while |
| 15:22.33 | SpeakerToMeat | Yep it's only my machien that adds those dependecies. I wonder why |
| 15:22.39 | jelly | |aaron: (at some pointinthe past ifupdown took vlan and bonding config over from scripts in ifenslave-2.6, not sure if between wheezy and jessie, or between jessie and stretch) |
| 15:22.46 | ikarosuusi | even wacom worked just by plugging it in |
| 15:22.54 | tw | SpeakerToMeat: yeah, it sounds like you're trying to cross compile 64 bit on a 32 bit host. If you're using a native architecture, you should have a libgcc1:amd64 that it should be linking against. |
| 15:22.57 | SpeakerToMeat | ANy way I can determine what system thought those dependencies are needed so I can see if I can determine why? |
| 15:23.13 | SpeakerToMeat | tw: Correct, but I am on amd64 arch, compiling for amd64 arch |
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| 15:23.20 | ikarosuusi | now it seems OBS is installing without some hassle I personally didn't create |
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| 15:23.51 | greycat | Hmm, the /etc/pam.d/sshd file on my Debian 5.0.10 box is a dangling symlink pointing to "ssh" which does not exist. |
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| 15:24.24 | tw | SpeakerToMeat: if you're sure of that, you should be able to dump the lib64gcc1. I have to add i386 as a foreign architecture before I can even install that. |
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| 15:24.41 | SpeakerToMeat | tw: How do I dump it though? |
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| 15:24.53 | tw | uninstall it and rebuild without it. |
| 15:25.01 | SpeakerToMeat | tw: It's not on the package's dependencies, it's auto added by the build system |
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| 15:25.24 | |aaron | jelly: yeah definitely seems like its a bit different in stretch |
| 15:25.29 | greycat | I'm going to try "cp sshd.dpkg-new ssh". But I'll keep this shell open.... |
| 15:26.01 | jelly | dpkg, qotd301 is <reply><ikarosuusi> you autistic shithead motherfuckers in the literal sense [...] <ikarosuusi> i have to say you debian people are the best people in the world |
| 15:26.02 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 15:26.36 | jelly | that needed to be immoralized |
| 15:26.43 | jelly | immortalized, too |
| 15:26.53 | annadane | it was already immoralized |
| 15:27.35 | greycat | dpkg, qotd302 is <reply><jelly> that needed to be immoralized <jelly> immortalized, too <annadane> it was already immoralized |
| 15:27.36 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:28.01 | annadane | ikarosuusi, |
| 15:28.04 | annadane | !newcomer |
| 15:28.04 | dpkg | Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea. |
| 15:28.05 | annadane | :D |
| 15:28.16 | ikarosuusi | jelly yeah I have to admit your help made me feel like I never want to be angry again in my life |
| 15:29.06 | ikarosuusi | I mean I though that just a second ago while grabbing a cup of coffee |
| 15:29.17 | tw | SpeakerToMeat: you might want to check the search path for ld.so. If you have both libgcc1:amd64 and lib64gcc1:i386, I bet it picks up the first one it finds. |
| 15:30.20 | ikarosuusi | annadane I'll store that bit right away |
| 15:30.35 | greycat | jelly: OK, tried it. On the aforementioned Debian 5.0.10 box. I created the /etc/pam.d/ssh file as indicated above, and then created an /etc/default/locale file with LANG=en_US.utf8 in it. Then I ssh-ed in from my HP-UX box with LANG=en_US.iso88591 and the resulting shell on the Deb5 has LANG=en_US.utf8 |
| 15:31.15 | greycat | Having now tried it (again), I am going to remove the /etc/default/locale file so that shit is no longer broken. |
| 15:31.17 | jelly | greycat: upgrade! HP-UX is dead! |
| 15:31.25 | jelly | hides |
| 15:31.32 | greycat | Or maybe I'll just truncate it to 0 bytes. |
| 15:31.54 | tw | if only that were true. |
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| 15:32.08 | greycat | Now when I login from HP-UX -> Deb5 I get LANG=en_US.iso88591 as I should. |
| 15:32.10 | jelly | oh, it's not dead yet |
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| 15:33.45 | arkoldthos | not just yet :( |
| 15:34.15 | greycat | Hmm, deb6 and deb9 both seem to have /etc/pam.d/sshd but not /etc/pam.d/ssh |
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| 15:34.27 | greycat | I wonder why the symlink went sshd -> ssh |
| 15:35.07 | greycat | Oh well. Not going to mess with the deb5 any further. On to the deb6. |
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| 15:37.02 | greycat | Results on deb6 are the same as on deb5 -- a LANG=en_US.UTF-8 entry in /etc/default/locale CLOBBERS what ssh sends, and I end up with LANG=en_US.UTF-8 instead of LANG=en_US.iso88591 |
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| 15:38.19 | SpeakerToMeat | tw: They were beiogn added because they were there... |
| 15:39.07 | tw | SpeakerToMeat: you should figure out why you had that package installed. Usually it is only installed for foreign architecture support. |
| 15:39.42 | greycat | Results on deb7 are the same as deb5 and deb6. A LANG= value in /etc/default/locale overrides ssh. |
| 15:40.41 | ikarosuusi | wow now I really need to chill down, after all the trouble my head is almost hurting :D |
| 15:40.44 | greycat | Results on deb8 are the same as deb5, deb6, and deb7. |
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| 15:41.20 | SpeakerToMeat | tw: But on a native 64 bit arch it makes no sense to have the i386 version of amd64 libraries so an amd64 program can be compiled as i386 to run as a 64 bit program running on 32 bit inside a 64 bit system-..... |
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| 15:41.32 | annadane | you can honestly learn a lot not just by the documentation but by being in irc a lot |
| 15:41.42 | annadane | i may add that to the factoid |
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| 15:41.57 | SpeakerToMeat | greycat: it might be either an sshd or a profile setting? |
| 15:42.13 | greycat | Results on deb9 are the same as deb5 through deb8. OK, jelly. I have officially "tried it". Nothing has changed. |
| 15:42.26 | ikarosuusi | instead of psytrance I'll listen to some j-pop jazz piano while figuring out the streaming to twitch part of OBS studio install process |
| 15:42.31 | SpeakerToMeat | Sigh I need to backup all this 1Tb of hdd and upgrade to stretch soon |
| 15:42.37 | jelly | greycat: well now, I stand corrected! |
| 15:43.15 | freitag772 | Hello, I am trying to extend the hard drive space of a local-lvm, I have tried several tutorials but it's just not working. Can anyone help out? |
| 15:43.39 | tw | SpeakerToMeat: that's not what is happening. It's the "same" library in a different location. The dynamic linker is finding it first and it satisfies the link requirements of your program. I suspect the automatic dependency calculator special-cases libc, libgcc, and libc++ and just autocalcs the dep based on ldd's output. |
| 15:43.43 | ikarosuusi | just recently I got rid of all my data, like 4TB of drawings and stuff, so it's pretty prime that this debian is working correctly, as this is only thing I've left from all these years. |
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| 15:44.04 | annadane | freitag772, first off i'd say don't follow tutorials unless you know they're correct; the internet can be wrong/outdated and can lead to screwing up your system |
| 15:44.49 | freitag772 | annadane, Yea, I have already messed this VM up several times with parted |
| 15:45.07 | freitag772 | annadane, but luckily I have a clone so it's all good |
| 15:45.15 | SpeakerToMeat | Question, what is the "best" way in stretch to "force" a default Xorg resolution or dummy monitor? |
| 15:45.37 | tw | SpeakerToMeat: xrandr, most likely. |
| 15:45.49 | jelly | and it's #408209 |
| 15:45.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/408209 in openoffice.org (closed, fixed-upstream): «[fixed for 2.3, cws glyphadv] openoffice.org: PDF export has letters that are too close together»; severity: normal; opened: 2007-01-24; last modified: 2008-03-05. |
| 15:45.58 | jelly | er, #408029 |
| 15:45.59 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/408029 in openssh-server (forwarded, patch, l10n): «openssh-server: /etc/default/locale takes precedence over SendEnv»; severity: normal; opened: 2007-01-23; last modified: 2014-04-24. |
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| 15:46.26 | ikarosuusi | also I'd like to add that it doesn't even feel like the debian from 2011, things seem consistent now, and fluid but solid, like jelly |
| 15:46.35 | freitag772 | annadane, do you know how to extend the hard drive space of an already encrypted volume? |
| 15:47.10 | annadane | 'fraid not |
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| 15:47.47 | tw | if you extend the underlying storage, it automatically grows when you luksOpen. |
| 15:49.29 | SpeakerToMeat | tw: via cli? hmm that might be a good idea, I'll try |
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| 15:50.18 | SpeakerToMeat | My trouble is, I'm setting up a headless machine with full gui, to nomachien into it, but nomachine doesn't work like this because xorg will not set a reoslution or screen if there's no attached screen,. so I need to "fix" a resolution or dummy screen |
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| 15:51.20 | jelly | freitag772: if you extend the underlying block device, on next luksOpen luks will use the new size automagically apparently |
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| 15:56.03 | greycat | The more I think about it, the more I think that Pluggable AUTHENTICATION Modules is not really the right place to be setting up a session environment. |
| 15:56.31 | jelly | that ship has sadly passed a long time ago |
| 15:56.58 | tw | freitag772: it's more that luks/cryptsetup is not specifically size-aware. It builds a dm entry based on whatever it is backed with. You can specify a size manually, but in my experience that's extremely uncommon. There may be an option to online-resize a mapping, but I've never tried it. Once the crypto mapping is updated, you'll have to grow your filesystem normally (eg, resize2fs). |
| 15:57.13 | greycat | Did it? I mean, it's a ship with 11 year old untouched bugs, and now we have all this new systemd infrastructure. |
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| 15:57.44 | jelly | that just means pam_systemd gets added to the mix |
| 15:58.05 | freitag772 | tw, can you help out specifically? |
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| 15:58.21 | freitag772 | tw, i tried to extend sda5_crypt but it gives an error |
| 15:58.44 | tw | greycat: and fantastically difficult documentation. Like creating an (X+Y or Z) authentication scheme. Skip how many lines you say? |
| 15:58.50 | jelly | freitag772: can you pastebin your "lsblk" output |
| 15:58.59 | freitag772 | jelly, sure, one sec |
| 16:00.09 | freitag772 | jelly, https://paste.ee/p/c4279 |
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| 16:02.44 | jelly | freitag772: so you need to grow block devices from the bottom level up. Extend /dev/sda5 first, then (re)boot which will make luks see new size, then pvresize /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt, then you can lvextend the LV (and the filesystem right away if you add -r) |
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| 16:03.42 | freitag772 | jelly, that makes sense.. do I use parted for that? |
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| 16:03.51 | tw | freitag772: make sure your backups are up to date before attempting that operation. |
| 16:04.17 | jelly | freitag772: parted ought to work for the partition resize. Or fdisk or sfdisk or whatever. |
| 16:05.00 | jelly | with older tools you have to delete the existing partition and make a larger one starting from exactly the same place |
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| 16:05.37 | skupra | https://skupra.org |
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| 16:07.38 | jelly | freitag772: if you're using virtual machines, messing with partitions can be avoided by creating VMs with two disks, a small one for just boot loader and one partition for /boot, and second large one used directly as LVM PV or luks, without any partitions |
| 16:08.09 | jelly | growing the whole disk is easier than growing partitions |
| 16:08.50 | freitag772 | Right, I am new to all this |
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| 16:09.10 | freitag772 | jelly, Looks like in parted it has an extended size |
| 16:09.20 | freitag772 | df -h does not show the reflection |
| 16:09.34 | tw | df is only mounted filesystems. |
| 16:09.46 | jelly | freitag772: the kernel usually cannot see new state of partition table on disk if any partitions are in use |
| 16:10.11 | jelly | but you also have two more layers between partition and df (filesystem) |
| 16:11.02 | jelly | freitag772: if you grew the partition, you can continue with later steps by rebooting |
| 16:11.20 | freitag772 | this is what it looks like in parted: https://paste.ee/p/5KORN |
| 16:11.22 | jelly | (in theory, "partprobe" ought to work but usually doesn't) |
| 16:11.40 | freitag772 | I will reboot the vm real quick |
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| 16:12.07 | jelly | freitag772: why did you leave half the disk still unpartitioned? |
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| 16:12.56 | freitag772 | I thought I gave 50% of it to the "extended" and the other 50% to logical |
| 16:13.30 | tw | in MBR, extended is the storage space for all logical parts. |
| 16:13.45 | jelly | "extended" is actually a container for logical |
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| 16:14.09 | jelly | you should not have to care about the extended /dev/sda2 manually with parted |
| 16:15.08 | freitag772 | I am not sure what to do now |
| 16:15.36 | jelly | grow sda5 to fill the remaining space presumably |
| 16:15.48 | jelly | and reboot again |
| 16:15.51 | freitag772 | ... /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt (10.5GB) |
| 16:16.09 | jelly | that was expected, yes |
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| 16:16.30 | jelly | because you did > then (re)boot which will make luks see new size, |
| 16:17.03 | freitag772 | trying to grow sda5 to 100% gives this error: Error: Can't have overlapping partitions. |
| 16:18.31 | freitag772 | Ok, so I extended number 2 first, then 5 |
| 16:18.43 | freitag772 | 5 257MB 21.5GB 21.2GB logical |
| 16:19.11 | freitag772 | And that is all the space |
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| 16:19.56 | freitag772 | You may need to update /etc/fstab. Can I use mount -a? |
| 16:20.17 | jelly | no and no need to |
| 16:20.37 | freitag772 | just restart again? |
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| 16:20.56 | jelly | yes, you're just repeating the first two steps |
| 16:21.25 | freitag772 | Right, and then what should I do after? |
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| 16:22.27 | jelly | all the other steps I wrote, probably |
| 16:22.55 | jelly | > freitag772: so you need to grow block devices from the bottom level up. Extend /dev/sda5 first, then (re)boot which will make luks see new size, then pvresize /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt, then you can lvextend the LV (and the filesystem right away if you add -r) |
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| 16:23.39 | jelly | freitag772: you can verify sizes of LVM PV with "pvs" before and after resizing, and of LVM LV with "lvs" |
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| 16:24.57 | freitag772 | lvextend /dev/mapper/web1--vg-root ? |
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| 16:26.59 | jelly | freitag772: yes, if you add -r to that, lvextend will automatically call resize2fs for you and grow the filesystem structures |
| 16:27.13 | jelly | um, sorry, no |
| 16:27.32 | jelly | you need to tell lvextend how much of the space available to use |
| 16:27.39 | freitag772 | lvextend -L15G /dev/mapper/web1--vg-root |
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| 16:28.33 | jelly | yes. You can tell it to -l 100%FREE but leaving some free space makes you able to use lvm snapshots if you want |
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| 16:29.26 | freitag772 | and then the end needs to be resize2fs? |
| 16:29.37 | jelly | or just add -r to lvextend |
| 16:30.17 | freitag772 | appears to have worked |
| 16:30.40 | jelly | (it figures out which command to use, if you have xfs it will use xfs_growfs or something, if you have ext3 or ext4 it will use resize2fs) |
| 16:30.48 | jelly | then that's it |
| 16:30.57 | tw | lvm snapshot is risky business <.< |
| 16:31.03 | jelly | not really |
| 16:31.06 | freitag772 | jelly, thanks so much |
| 16:31.15 | annadane | i don't plan on doing this but just for theoretical interest how difficult would it be to backport the latest python for personal use? |
| 16:31.17 | tw | iirc, if it runs out of blocks, it will corrupt without warning. |
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| 16:31.58 | jelly | annadane: backporting python itself not too much. Verifying it doesn't break anything that uses /usr/bin/python3? Real hard. |
| 16:32.06 | annadane | yeah |
| 16:32.25 | annadane | but yeah just a theoretical question. i'm perfectly fine with the one in stable |
| 16:32.38 | jelly | tw: the snapshot just goes read-only or offline, don't remember |
| 16:32.50 | jelly | tw: the base device is unaffected |
| 16:34.35 | jelly | it's happened more than once, at $work we do monthly image backups for physical servers using lvm snaps and if there are too many changes, the snapshot fills up its allocated percentage and goes tits up |
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| 16:34.57 | tw | jelly: I'd think they would both have to go offline, because both are COW. |
| 16:35.13 | jelly | lvm2 does things the other way |
| 16:35.34 | jelly | changes always go to the original dev |
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| 16:38.49 | tw | jelly: Are you using preallocated LVs? Are you using contiguous LVs? |
| 16:39.16 | jelly | not using thin provisioning if that's what you're asking |
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| 16:40.06 | jelly | so LVs are preallocated, but contiguous doesn't matter |
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| 16:40.25 | tw | My understanding is that it prevents block relocation. |
| 16:40.36 | jelly | what does? |
| 16:40.44 | tw | contiguous. |
| 16:41.29 | tw | Not on the drive itself, I mean remapping stuff in place. |
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| 16:41.54 | jelly | I have no idea how that would work with snapshots |
| 16:42.16 | jelly | because they clearly have to break that |
| 16:43.20 | RoyK | lvm snapshots aren't really good, they create a *ton* of iops - iirc an extra IOP per snapshot, which isn't very good |
| 16:44.22 | RoyK | write -> lvm without a snapshot, wrote -> snapshot -> snapshot -> snapshot -> lvm with three snapshots |
| 16:44.29 | RoyK | tht shit doesn't scale too well |
| 16:44.29 | jelly | that's the drawback, each write to orig dev has to become one read and two writes |
| 16:44.40 | jelly | yeah, n+1 writes |
| 16:44.52 | RoyK | compare that to zfs ;) |
| 16:44.58 | tw | It'd be nice if it merged those secondary writes. |
| 16:45.10 | jelly | but on the other hand, shit doesn't stop in case of out-of-space conditions |
| 16:45.19 | tw | so it was always at most +1 read +1 write. |
| 16:45.36 | RoyK | TmvC: no, it doesn't work that way - with zfs, new writes goes to new blocks and a pointer is changed - same wth btrfs, but not as efficient |
| 16:45.59 | jelly | so I can live with snapshots being second hand citizen |
| 16:46.22 | RoyK | tm, that was for you btww |
| 16:46.40 | RoyK | jelly: with zfs, you can have thousands of snaps without affecting performance |
| 16:46.41 | jelly | tm<tab> does not expand to tm? :-) |
| 16:46.48 | jelly | tw * |
| 16:46.49 | greycat | on the other other hand, LVM is actually *there* and *tested* and has been for years, and zfs is... some wacko left-field alien future sci-fi crap that may one day exist |
| 16:46.56 | RoyK | that is, you'll need another 1GB of RAM per 10k snapshots, though |
| 16:47.25 | jelly | zfs has probably been used and tested more than linux implementation of lvm2. Just not necessarily on Linux :-) |
| 16:47.27 | RoyK | greycat: I've been working with zfs for 10 years - it works well |
| 16:47.31 | tw | RoyK: And you have to do a synchronous (journaled) metadata write if you want to be compliant. |
| 16:47.39 | tw | *coherent |
| 16:47.50 | RoyK | tw: zfs has that |
| 16:47.55 | greycat | RoyK: oh, then I should migrate my production mission-critical app on wheezy from LVM to zfs, right? |
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| 16:48.48 | jelly | I'd trust zfs over btrfs or bcachefs or whatever new thing, esp. if I had some experience with it |
| 16:48.54 | RoyK | greycat: up to you, but I haven't seen any issues on zfs so far, after those years, half of them on linux, that is, unless I've done something exceedingly stupid as turning on dedup |
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| 16:49.13 | RoyK | I've tried that as well |
| 16:49.16 | RoyK | not a good idea |
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| 16:49.45 | greycat | No thanks. I'll stick with things that are actually supported. |
| 16:49.56 | jelly | RoyK: there's probably a reason why vmware's vsan only does dedup and compression on all-flash setups |
| 16:50.23 | jelly | disks + ssd? nope, no compression, no dedup |
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| 16:50.49 | RoyK | greycat: and btw, I setup a wheezy machine some four years back with zfs, striped mirrors, 80TiB net storage, and it's worked like a dream for that time, around 100% I/O 24x7 - some 140 CCTV cameras streaming to it |
| 16:50.53 | jelly | (they use a single ssd for both cache and write logging unlike zfs) |
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| 16:51.16 | RoyK | jelly: no idea about VSAN - only slightly tested it in the lab |
| 16:51.45 | RoyK | zfs with lz4 compression is preferred over non-compressed - it's usually faster than non-compressed on spinning rust, and sometimes on ssd's |
| 16:52.04 | jelly | lz4 is something like lzop right? |
| 16:52.31 | RoyK | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lzop not really |
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| 16:53.33 | jelly | lzo* then |
| 16:53.39 | jelly | and lz4 page says yes |
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| 16:54.32 | RoyK | jelly: [lz4] gives a slightly worse compression ratio than the LZO algorithm â which in turn is worse than algorithms like gzip. However, compression speeds are similar to LZO and several times faster than gzip while decompression speeds can be significantly faster than LZO.[1] |
| 16:54.58 | protectionfault | Hi. Is this the right place to ask about spectre v2? I have an affected cpu and I would like to get some practical advice on my relative risk and mitigation options. I am running Debian9, have hyperthreading disabled and the microcode is installed. Am I still vulnerable, if yes, in what way? Thanks! |
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| 16:55.35 | RoyK | jelly: I've tested lz4 on zfs with video data writes - the overhead is negligible |
| 16:55.59 | jelly | RoyK: is it worth anything for video, tho? |
| 16:56.04 | somiaj | protectionfault: the debian 9 kernel should have all teh ratpoline in it now to help the software side of the protection. Microcode (though firmware update from your hardware vendor) is also needed |
| 16:56.13 | annadane | i believe if you're running the latest (4.9.0-6) kernel in stretch the answer should be the same for everyone; there's a spectre-meltdown-checker package to check if you're affected, though |
| 16:56.16 | RoyK | jelly: no, it was a test - I ran it for a week or so to check |
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| 16:56.41 | RoyK | protectionfault: don't think hyperthreading is related there - better keep it enabled with a modern cpu |
| 16:56.46 | annadane | ,v spectre-meltdown-checker |
| 16:56.46 | somiaj | annadane: afiak you need a firmware/micrcode update to take advantage of all the new features in the kernel, but this debian can't provdie. |
| 16:56.47 | judd | Package: spectre-meltdown-checker on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 0.35-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.35-1; sid: 0.35-1 |
| 16:56.49 | protectionfault | annadane: thanks, I did not know about that package |
| 16:56.51 | annadane | ah, backports |
| 16:56.59 | protectionfault | gotcha |
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| 16:57.26 | greycat | Debian does provide (in non-free) microcode, but it may not be the bleeding-edgiest version yet, and it won't cover firmware. |
| 16:57.39 | RoyK | protectionfault: ht was rather slow when it first arrived, but with today's way faster memory, it's fast |
| 16:57.54 | ikarosuusi | AHHA! look! jelly and everyone! now it is working! |
| 16:57.57 | ikarosuusi | https://www.twitch.tv/ikarosuusi |
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| 16:58.06 | ikarosuusi | i will start drawin in less than 10 minutes |
| 16:58.23 | ikarosuusi | if someone is interested in nonsense stream watching then I have the prime spot now |
| 16:58.46 | annadane | okay though advertising is generally frowned on |
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| 16:58.50 | protectionfault | RoyK, greycat, thanks. Also, greycat, what do you mean "won't cover firmware?" |
| 16:58.58 | ikarosuusi | no it's not advertising it's sharing the joy |
| 16:59.02 | annadane | shrugs |
| 16:59.10 | greycat | Firmware updates have to come from your firmware's manufacturer. |
| 16:59.10 | ikarosuusi | oh wait don't come to watch my stream |
| 16:59.12 | somiaj | greycat: yea, I don't htink the microcode in stretch has been updated since meltdown, though major hardawre vendors have only gotten a non buggy version out recentally. -- ahh looks like they now provide marches update in stretch-backports. |
| 16:59.20 | ikarosuusi | nothing to witness there |
| 16:59.30 | ikarosuusi | you can rest assured i got my debian working |
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| 16:59.40 | somiaj | I would usggest a full firmware upgrade form your vendor, though stretch-backports does have new intel-microcode if needed |
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| 16:59.50 | ikarosuusi | I'm sorry I didn't know the policy |
| 17:00.09 | jelly | too late, now I'm watching someone drawing doodles on screen |
| 17:00.14 | Guest42944 | r u guys hurting ikarosuusi |
| 17:00.52 | jelly | Guest42944: keep comments in here to tech support please |
| 17:00.53 | protectionfault | So to recap what I got from all of you: I am vulnerable without the backports version of the microcode? |
| 17:01.03 | jelly | lest you want a longer ban than yesterday |
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| 17:01.23 | somiaj | protectionfault: You should get a firmware update from your vendor. |
| 17:01.49 | jelly | protectionfault: ths thing is, you'll be vulnerable for a long time untill all the software implements workarounds for spectre like kernel did. |
| 17:02.08 | somiaj | protectionfault: the newer microcode could help, but the firmware update from your vendor will include the microcode any any vendor specific fixes. |
| 17:02.18 | jelly | the microcode just enables some specific workarounds to be possible at all |
| 17:02.32 | greycat | Or until non-vulnerable CPUs actually arrive. |
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| 17:02.41 | jelly | that's... not likely |
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| 17:03.17 | greycat | https://xkcd.com/1938/ # also relevant |
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| 17:03.34 | ikarosuusi | thanks for the kind care Guest42944! I'm being well fostered here and all my troubles are being addressed! |
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| 17:06.06 | protectionfault | greycat: rowhammer?! the more you know. I came here for reassurance, not more anxiety. ;) |
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| 17:07.54 | annadane | i wonder if i should have intel-microcode installed, i haven't bothered with it and not received any message on startup indicating any errors/outdated microcode |
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| 17:08.16 | greycat | If you have an intel CPU that isn't super-old, yeah, you should probably install it. |
| 17:08.17 | protectionfault | annadane: my current take on it is that, yes, you should |
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| 17:11.31 | jelly | annadane: Debian isn't big on warnings about outdated software |
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| 17:12.25 | annadane | i guess the stock answer is "install it just to be safe" |
| 17:12.31 | annadane | but... bleh |
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| 17:13.10 | annadane | but it's not even debian, i get no messages in the bios, i mean |
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| 17:13.27 | somiaj | wonder why debian is providing the micorcode via backports and not security, but I still suggest getting the microcode/firmware from your hardware vendor if they have it, seems many released a updated fix in march. |
| 17:13.59 | somiaj | annadane: in my experience firmware doen't check if it is out dated, you'll have to go check yoru vendors site. |
| 17:14.05 | protectionfault | somiaj, you mean my mainboard manufacturer? |
| 17:14.14 | protectionfault | Like, a BIOS update? |
| 17:14.25 | greycat | Yes, "BIOS" is one specific subset of firmware. |
| 17:14.26 | annadane | somiaj, sorry, which microcode? intel-microcode is available via regular stable |
| 17:14.26 | somiaj | protectionfault: wll firmware, most don't use BIOS instead they use UEFI |
| 17:15.00 | annadane | also i _have_ gotten messages warning about outdated stuff before |
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| 17:15.04 | somiaj | annadane: the version from stretch is from 2017 before meltdown, stretch-backports contains a marh 2018 version that contains the fixes, though yoru vendor's firmware has these fixes too |
| 17:15.18 | protectionfault | as an old fart I refuse to call my BIOS "the UEFI", because it makes me feel violated to think about the atrocity that is UEFI. |
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| 17:15.43 | somiaj | protectionfault: for my machines, we have dell desktop/servers and I have been just getting the updates from del since they were released in march. |
| 17:15.53 | somiaj | but if you build a machine, then yea, your mobo manufacture. |
| 17:15.55 | greycat | protectionfault: firmware is the general term that covers both of them and more |
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| 17:16.49 | somiaj | protectionfault: uefi is actaully quite nice, espically with firmware updates these days. I think you should look into it more (though maybe you are just thinking about the secure-boot feature which I dont' use) |
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| 17:17.11 | somiaj | also enjoy not needing grub anymore, dualbooting with other uefi oses is easier and so on. |
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| 17:17.27 | annadane | well, the other thing i can do is get spectre-meltdown-checker from backports and then google the vulnerabilities i have and apply whatever fixes are relevant to debian |
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| 17:17.40 | annadane | i don't want to install microcode for the hell of it |
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| 17:18.08 | protectionfault | if you distrust the microcode itself, better bin the cpu :) |
| 17:18.19 | annadane | i guess |
| 17:18.26 | annadane | well, fine, i'll just install it |
| 17:19.29 | protectionfault | do some benchmarks, it might speed up some things |
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| 17:21.06 | protectionfault | From a casual googling session I gathered that disabling hyperthreading mitigates spectre v2. Is that correct? |
| 17:21.53 | protectionfault | obviously you incur a ~15% performance hit for doing so, but I like to be sure it helps before I do |
| 17:22.48 | protectionfault | There is a lot of "media outrage" but very little customer information for people who are not infosec scientists.. :( |
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| 17:24.58 | somiaj | My understanding is you should upgrade your firmware, upgrade your kernel (both are needed for some new isolation features), and upgrade your browser so js timing isn't sensitive to be exploited. I'm unsure if disabling hyperthreading would add any additional protection while waiting for other software that could be exploitd to be fixed. |
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| 17:26.16 | somiaj | And the only thing debian dosen't provide in security is your vendors firmware update, the microcode in stretch-backports could help if you don't have (or your vendor doesn't provide) a firmware update for tis. |
| 17:26.31 | protectionfault | somiaj: I like the features, but I think the fundamentals are flawed because it allows a field programmable array to be remotely manipulated. I like to think that requiring physical access is a nice defense against a significant percentage of bad guys. Thanks! |
| 17:26.55 | annadane | i'm too lazy to research whether the vendor has updated it so i'll just install the microcode from backports and assume everything is fixed and change my password to password |
| 17:29.25 | protectionfault | I am running firefox-esr, but it's unclear how safe that is. |
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| 17:30.09 | protectionfault | annadane: don't upgrade your BIOS/UEFI without proper planning |
| 17:30.14 | somiaj | protectionfault: You can track all of these issues via CVE's and change log entries, firefox-esr is an extended release that gets suecritu support. |
| 17:30.19 | greycat | The version of intel-microcode in jessie is newer than the version in jessie-backports, but OLDER than in jessie-backports-sloppy. So I presume the version in stretch will eventually catch up to stretch-backports, perhaps after people are more confident it doesn't blow up. |
| 17:31.06 | somiaj | yea, I'm unsrue why it wasn't given via security, maybe still some issues before they deem it ready to be a security fix that won't cause trouble. |
| 17:31.07 | annadane | sigh |
| 17:31.21 | annadane | well, my computer didn't explode so it's probably fine |
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| 17:31.32 | somiaj | protectionfault: really depends a lot on the hardware. Modern uefi hardware firmware updates are fairly painless. |
| 17:32.42 | somiaj | more and more machines can be updated by just putting the update on a fat32 usb drive and doing it from directly inside the firmware's tools. |
| 17:32.51 | annadane | if i had paid more attention to this channel months ago these exact same topics were being discussed and i wouldn't be doing this now |
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| 17:33.28 | somiaj | annadane: the original firmware updates were quite buggy and recalled, it is only in march they rereleased them, so you aren't that far behind, only a few weeks. |
| 17:33.38 | annadane | though these are also more spectre vulnerabilities and not so much meltdown, so harder to exploit anyway i believe |
| 17:33.49 | annadane | far behind in what, stable or stable backports? |
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| 17:34.22 | greycat | The version of intel-microcode (which is NOT a firmware update) in stretch-backports is from March. |
| 17:34.23 | somiaj | I mean in terms of timing to install the microcode and/or firmware updaates |
| 17:34.38 | annadane | i'm sure it's fine |
| 17:34.40 | protectionfault | i have a nagging suspicion we'll be learning about new spectre related problems for a long time to come |
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| 17:34.49 | annadane | maybe maybe not |
| 17:35.37 | Bookin | Anyone here know the default height in pixels of the KDE or Gnome topbar/panel? |
| 17:36.21 | somiaj | take a screen shot and measure? Use something like xprop on the window |
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| 17:36.42 | greycat | Do whatever you are trying to do using a guess, and if it doesn't fit, revise your guess. |
| 17:37.04 | protectionfault | IIRC it's 48px |
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| 17:37.16 | greycat | Probably faster, easier, and more accurate than finding someone who uses KDE or GNOME and actually knows such a thing. |
| 17:37.29 | Bookin | Yeah |
| 17:37.33 | Bookin | Don't have either installed |
| 17:37.42 | Bookin | Just looking to copy the screen size fingerprint |
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| 17:38.17 | Bookin | I'll try 48 |
| 17:38.30 | annadane | the problem for the casual end-user is that microcode is always this nebulous thing that not even that many people even know about and then suddenly there's these new vulnerabilities which are addressed by microcode and it takes the culture a while to catch up |
| 17:38.49 | annadane | and then as was mentioned the original microcode was even recalled |
| 17:39.01 | annadane | absolute security is a myth anyway |
| 17:39.04 | greycat | Before spectre/meltdown, microcode was basically there to fix bugs in the CPU, rather than exploits in the CPU. |
| 17:39.32 | protectionfault | microcode should always be installed, even on windows it's better to check if your manufacturer provides a more recent/secure version of the intel chipset driver |
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| 17:40.17 | greycat | intel-microcode has nothing to do with intel GPU |
| 17:40.30 | annadane | yeah even for cpu bugs it's a good idea to have |
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| 17:40.53 | protectionfault | my cpu is my GPU |
| 17:41.05 | protectionfault | skylake.. |
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| 17:41.50 | protectionfault | ok, excellent stuff. thanks for your time everyone, have a great day. |
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| 17:43.17 | annadane | my specific issue was that in sid i did get warnings of outdated microcode, in stable this didn't happen, and i only just today remembered from discussions here a few months ago that some of the vulnerabilities were addressed by a microcode update, which i only learned today is the one from backports and not stable and only missed it by a few weeks anyway for a problem which isn't even likely to affect everybody |
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| 17:43.44 | annadane | but then per the discussions months ago that original microcode was recalled regardless |
| 17:44.03 | annadane | so okay, lesson learned, i should have it installed anyway |
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| 17:45.12 | protectionfault | these decisions don't have a right answer, it is more about proper reasoning being applied to the specific situation, with very little information |
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| 17:45.52 | annadane | most security patches are not this convuluted |
| 17:45.56 | annadane | convoluted* |
| 17:46.12 | protectionfault | let's hope it stays that way :) |
| 17:47.14 | annadane | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/04/intel_spectre_microcode_updates/ |
| 17:47.17 | annadane | shrugs |
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| 17:47.41 | annadane | (how sensationalized that is, i don't know) |
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| 17:49.42 | protectionfault | It's the 4/4/2018 article from ElReg that got me here in the first place. Honestly I think they are doing a stellar job in reporting on this, and sadly that means there is nothing being sensationalized too much. It's a breath of fresh air to have ElReg around, I find. |
| 17:50.53 | annadane | i refuse to mess with core/libreboot (and i'm not sure it fixes the issues anyway) because i'm afraid of bricking |
| 17:51.59 | annadane | *meltdown* was addressed via kernel upgrade, anyhow. that's the low hanging fruit |
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| 17:54.34 | waydot | how do you install microcode updates in debian? |
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| 17:54.53 | greycat | install intel-microcode which is in non-free |
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| 17:55.19 | greycat | optionally, install the version of intel-microcode from stretch-backports, but this may or may not be safe, who knows, nobody knows |
| 17:55.35 | waydot | tnx |
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| 17:56.19 | annadane | it's a trade-off: be "protected" against spectre but take risks with unvetted (closed source, naturally) software or let your imagination run wild with the potential horrors that can creep in while you wait for the microcode to be in stable |
| 17:56.27 | tw | More and more of those bios images are boot-time signature enforced now. I'd be surprised if libreboot, et.al. stay relevant long term. |
| 17:56.50 | waydot | annadane: you think that non-updated cpu is any less closed source? |
| 17:57.18 | annadane | well, the fact it's closed isn't really relevant, that's not my main point |
| 17:58.08 | magyar | hi, I'm unable to get sound working in torbrowser, I have pulse installed and firefox sound is workingfine |
| 17:58.11 | magyar | working fine |
| 17:58.12 | annadane | it's still closed in stable but by the time it's in stable it'll be more tested |
| 17:58.48 | waydot | oh you meant non-stable |
| 17:58.53 | waydot | i misuderstood |
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| 17:59.32 | annadane | stable vs stable backports |
| 18:00.11 | annadane | as i said spectre is fundamentally more difficult to exploit in theory but i'm honestly not sure at this point if anyone understands what the fuck is going on with the situation |
| 18:00.41 | annadane | still better than running an unpatched machine for 3 years which some large corporations probably do |
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| 18:00.56 | waydot | it's not really on the same level as string theory |
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| 18:01.46 | waydot | i _still_ didnt read the paper :P but as i understand it allows you to read arbitrary memory blocks of the same process/context |
| 18:02.10 | annadane | at the very least have the latest stable kernel to protect against meltdown |
| 18:02.25 | waydot | which is really terrible given that most data access restrictions are implemented in userspace today |
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| 18:02.39 | waydot | because of fear of running anything as root ... |
| 18:03.20 | waydot | well, sometimes you don't need those patches ;) [Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D510] |
| 18:06.44 | annadane | desktop users probably don't have to worry too much comparatively speaking because i can well imagine a situation where a production server will not install microcode from backports because they don't want to fry their mission critical systems, thus in theory they (probably having a lot more valuable secrets/assets) will be the ones more vulnerable, it's all relative |
| 18:07.10 | annadane | and some people just don't care and don't patch things for 3 years |
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| 18:11.19 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 18:11.51 | johnfg | I'm still not getting my php configured correctly on the machine (main server) I upgraded from jessie->stretch. |
| 18:13.03 | protectionfault | you had a working config before the distupgrade? |
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| 18:14.17 | annadane | i'm not worried overmuch about a stretch-backport breakage considering the relative robustness of sid; debian is just really solid in general |
| 18:14.18 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: Any serious environment will have test servers they can try the update on. |
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| 18:14.42 | jhutchins_wk | s/can/WILL/ |
| 18:14.43 | annadane | probably, but some security even at professional level can be quite bad |
| 18:15.12 | johnfg | I looked at and tried some of the suggestions, like editing php.ini and changing short_open_tag = On, but didn't make any difference. |
| 18:15.28 | johnfg | protectionfault: absolutely. All of it worked great on jessie. |
| 18:16.22 | protectionfault | we're slowly evolving from a PR-damage-control culture to responsible disclosure. I think that shift towards openness has brought a lot of misery to the foreground, while in fact the information being out there and worked on by the community is progress, although it's anxiety inducing stuff. |
| 18:16.37 | johnfg | Even when I open index.php, the standard file to see if things are working, all I get is a blank page. No errors are being written to apache/error.log. |
| 18:17.05 | protectionfault | is the source of that page blank too? |
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| 18:17.22 | johnfg | protectionfault: the index.php? No. |
| 18:17.48 | protectionfault | does the server see the request? |
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| 18:18.26 | annadane | to me anything in backports is basically fully sanctioned even though they put up disclaimers |
| 18:18.30 | johnfg | I believe so, how would I verify that? Is that in the access log? |
| 18:19.07 | protectionfault | you should look on stackexchange for your phpd + logging |
| 18:19.40 | protectionfault | i'm just helping you out blind here, I have no php specific skills |
| 18:20.12 | protectionfault | logging is your friend, better get to know the places to find them |
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| 18:21.08 | johnfg | protectionfault: Ok, and yes, in access.log it shows that the page is seen. |
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| 18:21.39 | xp | what program can I use to see disk fragmentation? |
| 18:22.18 | protectionfault | xp: you probably don't need to worry about fragmentation anymore |
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| 18:22.36 | greycat | DEFRAG was the best MS-DOS screen saver |
| 18:22.41 | annadane | generally the answer is fsck (do not fsck on mounted volumes) |
| 18:22.53 | protectionfault | I loved just looking at defrag. |
| 18:23.03 | annadane | it was pretty. and took 7 hours. |
| 18:23.33 | xp | protectionfault: why needn't I worry about fragmentation? |
| 18:24.00 | protectionfault | xp: because most likely your drive is doing it on the fly continuously |
| 18:24.15 | protectionfault | SSDs don't need it |
| 18:24.19 | annadane | it also runs a check on startup |
| 18:24.22 | xp | protectionfault: where can I read about that? |
| 18:25.27 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.42 | xp | annadane: isn't the check at startup checking only for corruption? |
| 18:25.50 | annadane | that may be right |
| 18:25.53 | hyperlumic | SSDs don't really 'defrag.' Fragmentation is only something that happens with traditional disks. |
| 18:26.06 | xp | hyperlumic: I'm using HDD |
| 18:26.10 | protectionfault | xp: don't know where to read it. SSDs are purposely scrambled to distribute the load across the NANDs, because of their limited number of writes. |
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| 18:26.27 | annadane | anyway not everyone has an SSD |
| 18:26.45 | xp | annadane: RAM cache FTW |
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| 18:27.00 | hyperlumic | That's point #1. Point #2 is that modern Linux filesystems utilize predictive allocation to minimize fragmentation anyway. Fragmentation only really occurs when a disk gets mostly full. |
| 18:27.05 | protectionfault | point is that for larger spinning platter driver, the cluster size would be larger, which defeats most of the other purpose of defragmentation |
| 18:27.51 | protectionfault | xp: it's one worry less! :) |
| 18:28.01 | xp | protectionfault: that would just minimize the effects of fragmentation |
| 18:28.24 | annadane | if you're just coming from windows and "want to check for fragmentation" you probably don't have to |
| 18:28.31 | annadane | if you have a specific reason, however... |
| 18:29.03 | protectionfault | true, I'm not answering his question, I vaguely remember a cli command that showed a percentage |
| 18:29.04 | hyperlumic | If you're experiencing issues with fragmentation using a modern Linux filesystem, the problem isn't fragmentation, the problem is that you've nearly filled the disk and need more storage. |
| 18:29.19 | xp | annadane: I've used linux for a while, and now I'm wondering about the state of my /usr partition |
| 18:29.34 | hyperlumic | What protectionfault said earlier is correct. Filesystems like ext4 move stuff around transparently to avoid/reduce fragmentation where it exists. |
| 18:29.39 | hyperlumic | xp: Are you having an issue with the system? |
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| 18:30.17 | protectionfault | We might just need a 7-hour animation of defragmentation to calm our own minds. |
| 18:30.26 | xp | hyperlumic: disk usage, maybe? |
| 18:30.36 | annadane | i'm sure there are youtube videos |
| 18:30.51 | hyperlumic | xp: "Maybe?" Are you having problems with the system? |
| 18:31.01 | hyperlumic | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR3TbL3Tl6M |
| 18:31.17 | greycat | google has actual results for "screen saver that looks like defrag" but the first one I checked was only for Windows |
| 18:31.27 | hyperlumic | 8 hours of defrag. |
| 18:31.27 | annadane | wouldn't be surprised if windows 10 made the defragmenter worse |
| 18:31.41 | hyperlumic | Including server hum and hard drive noise. |
| 18:31.50 | protectionfault | xp: if your block device is unmounted you should try e2fsck -fn <devicefile> |
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| 18:33.09 | johnfg | php -i outputs much data, but at the start, it's definitely showing php7. How can I get php5 to be used instead? |
| 18:33.11 | protectionfault | apologies, I'm not sure if I recommend the e2tools |
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| 18:33.30 | hyperlumic | johnfg: Is php5 -truly- needed? |
| 18:33.48 | annadane | ,v php5 |
| 18:33.49 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u13; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
| 18:33.52 | greycat | johnfg: running "php -i" from a command line is NOT the same as what your web server/etc. is going to do |
| 18:34.06 | gabboman | Hi, I just installed mysql, and I have some problems with phpmyadmin. I'm trying to create a "new root" user, but its imposible to create databaseas and grant permissions to new users. |
| 18:34.09 | johnfg | hyperlumic: Most of my website pages, but also, wordpress (latest for stretch) won't run. |
| 18:34.10 | hyperlumic | annadane: That's why I asked. ;) |
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| 18:34.47 | hyperlumic | johnfg: That sounds highly suspect. I can most definitely run Wordpress on Stretch. |
| 18:35.21 | johnfg | hyperlumic: I also on a different machine, but that machine had a fresh install of stretch; not an upgrade from jessie. |
| 18:35.41 | annadane | can never remember the default versions of packages in debian releases |
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| 18:36.33 | hyperlumic | annadane: I'm weird. I can ID distros by kernel version. |
| 18:36.37 | annadane | i guess a good rule of thumb is x and x - 1 are supported |
| 18:36.58 | annadane | ,v php6 |
| 18:36.59 | judd | No package named 'php6' was found in amd64. |
| 18:37.03 | protectionfault | xp: checking with you here, fsck kicks off e2fsck here, so that's fine. The command you're asking for would be: e2fsck -fn <devicefile> |
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| 18:37.04 | annadane | wha? |
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| 18:37.07 | annadane | well, whatever |
| 18:37.12 | hyperlumic | annadane: There was no php6. |
| 18:37.16 | annadane | that'll do it |
| 18:37.27 | protectionfault | xp: but it needs to be unmounted |
| 18:37.48 | gabboman | there was a php6 but was incompatible with php5 and was awful |
| 18:37.52 | annadane | s/packages/programming languages |
| 18:37.55 | hyperlumic | goberle: Oh, today I learned. |
| 18:38.00 | hyperlumic | goberle: Misfire, sorry. |
| 18:38.04 | hyperlumic | gabboman: You. |
| 18:38.15 | annadane | i know python is 3.5, php is 7.1, perl is 5.24, beyond that i have to look it up |
| 18:38.19 | gabboman | me! |
| 18:38.20 | protectionfault | then, in the output you'll see something like "44% non-contiguous" which is the fragmentation state. (@xp) |
| 18:40.01 | hyperlumic | protectionfault: He left. |
| 18:40.49 | SpeakerToMeat | greycat: It's not strange for all aspects of AAA to be thrown togetehr |
| 18:41.13 | protectionfault | hyperlumic: another angry customer |
| 18:41.27 | annadane | apt install windows-defragmentor |
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| 18:41.41 | hyperlumic | protectionfault: Such is the fate of all those who chase numbers without stopping to understand their (in)significance. |
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| 18:43.12 | qifan | hi |
| 18:43.26 | qifan | what might be the problem is mesa or amdgpu driver issue ? : https://pastebin.com/4PBS8vLq |
| 18:44.06 | protectionfault | as a reasonably obsessive geek I remember a zen feeling of having a non-defragmented disk. We should have helped him get that back. |
| 18:44.21 | protectionfault | non-defragmented? no. defragmented. |
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| 18:45.30 | jocthbr | Hey guys |
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| 18:45.51 | protectionfault | qifan: can you do glxinfo but grep for error instead? |
| 18:45.56 | jocthbr | I'm trying to run mariadb on Debian 9, but the service is not going up |
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| 18:46.11 | qifan | sure |
| 18:46.21 | annadane | jocthbr, provide more information? what basis are you saying the service isn't going up? |
| 18:46.23 | jocthbr | It gives me this error |
| 18:46.24 | jocthbr | Process: 51734 ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/install -m 755 -o mysql -g root -d /var/run/mysqld (code=exited, status=226/NAMESPACE) |
| 18:46.47 | protectionfault | jocthbr: it is not an error? |
| 18:46.57 | jocthbr | Yeah, it is |
| 18:47.13 | qifan | only this 2 lines : libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found |
| 18:47.14 | qifan | libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast |
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| 18:47.52 | jocthbr | This is the result of "systemctl status mariadb.service |
| 18:47.56 | qifan | i think its missing mesa am i right ? |
| 18:47.56 | protectionfault | qifan: try searching the webs for that swrast thing |
| 18:48.06 | qifan | kkkk |
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| 18:49.10 | jocthbr | If I run mysqld directly, the deamon goes up |
| 18:49.25 | jocthbr | *daemon |
| 18:49.35 | hyperlumic | jocthbr: How did you install MariaDB? |
| 18:49.43 | jocthbr | apt install.. |
| 18:49.53 | hyperlumic | jocthbr: Just making sure you didn't use a binary package or something. |
| 18:49.55 | greycat | did you check "systemctl status mariadb" yet? |
| 18:50.05 | NetTerminalGene | anyone experiencing high gnome-shell cpu usage when watching youtube videos after the recent updates? |
| 18:50.35 | jocthbr | greycat: same thing |
| 18:50.38 | jocthbr | â mariadb.service - MariaDB database server |
| 18:50.38 | jocthbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.38 | jocthbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.38 | jocthbr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.41 | NetTerminalGene | also high cpu usage when watching videos with mpv |
| 18:50.53 | annadane | update to gnome-shell? tracker doesn't show any updates to gnome-shell in debian stable |
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| 18:51.00 | protectionfault | whoops |
| 18:51.03 | johnfg | Any other ideas about php pages either not displaying or displaying incorrectly, including phpmyadmin? Again, in case you weren't here, this is after upgrading this server from jessie->stretch. |
| 18:51.03 | jocthbr | Argh, sorry |
| 18:51.13 | johnfg | All worked fine prior to the upgrade. |
| 18:51.18 | jocthbr | I didn't want to paste all the text |
| 18:51.20 | annadane | jocthbr, for future reference paste.debian.net for longer pastes than 2 lines or so |
| 18:51.22 | NetTerminalGene | annadane, not gnome-shell update. something else |
| 18:51.30 | greycat | jocthbr: Output was truncated by flood-bot. Run it as root and examine the logs that it gives you for clues. |
| 18:51.35 | jocthbr | annadane: Yeah, I know... |
| 18:51.59 | jocthbr | http://paste.debian.net/1018894/ |
| 18:52.04 | jocthbr | There it is |
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| 18:52.33 | JordiGH | Is there a liveusb thing I can boot+install from? |
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| 18:52.53 | annadane | NetTerminalGene, well you can look in your apt history (/var/log/apt/history.log) to see what else got updated |
| 18:54.03 | greycat | jocthbr: there's no logs shown, so I am guessing you didn't run it as root. |
| 18:54.19 | jocthbr | Well.. |
| 18:54.20 | protectionfault | jocthbr: from an arch forum I find this advice: Remember, that you can inspect unit journals with journalctl more closely. |
| 18:54.22 | jocthbr | I'll try to reinstall it |
| 18:54.57 | jocthbr | Also, I think it's important to say I'm running it from a LX Container |
| 18:55.05 | jocthbr | Joyent kind |
| 18:55.07 | greycat | And sure, if the logs from systemctl are not sufficient, journalctl is more complete and is the next step. |
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| 18:56.20 | jocthbr | mariadb.service: Failed to set invocation ID on control group /system.slice/mariadb.service, ignoring: Operation not supported |
| 18:56.23 | jocthbr | Weird |
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| 18:57.52 | annadane | https://serverfault.com/questions/831503/why-wont-mariadb-start-after-upgrade-no-new-privileges |
| 18:58.11 | johnfg | greycat: To your earlier remark: I know php -i from the cli isn't the same, but if I have a file with <?php phpinfo(); ?>, index.php, and on my other stretch machine it outputs all the info that is expected. |
| 18:58.33 | greycat | johnfg: so you have to figure out which php your web server is using |
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| 18:58.59 | johnfg | greycat: i.e., it doesn't show anything on the upgraded machine, but shows all on the other. |
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| 18:59.27 | johnfg | greycat: my apache2.conf is the same on both machines. |
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| 19:01.02 | xar- | which php version were you on, and what are you on now? |
| 19:01.04 | jocthbr | annadane: applied the nonewprivileges conf, but no news... |
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| 19:01.48 | johnfg | xar-: I was on php5 on jessie, and now, on both stretch machines it's php7. |
| 19:02.03 | johnfg | xar-: the latest, all updates to both machines applied. |
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| 19:03.06 | xar- | I hope it's not a production workload... |
| 19:03.10 | protectionfault | should these two stretch machines be mostly identical? |
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| 19:04.07 | qifan | what is the name of radeon rx 580, for 3D accel on apt-get ?!? |
| 19:04.33 | greycat | qifan: start by identifying the graphics chipset: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 19:04.55 | johnfg | xar-: That *may* be the plan, eventually, then the older (upgraded) server, retired. |
| 19:04.56 | greycat | qifan: *most* likely you just need to install the non-free amd firmware pacakge |
| 19:05.11 | qifan | moment |
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| 19:05.22 | greycat | judd v firmware-amd-graphics |
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| 19:05.23 | judd | Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1 |
| 19:05.27 | johnfg | protectionfault: Why did you ask, if that was for me? |
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| 19:06.25 | xar- | suffice it to say johnfg, there are key differences in the two versions |
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| 19:06.50 | xar- | the php maintainers are very good about posting migration documentation, have you referenced that? |
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| 19:08.14 | johnfg | xar-: Yeah, but not as closely yet as I will. jhutchins was kind enough to recommend it yesterday. I guess it's not just a simple migration that the upgrade from jessie->stretch takes care of, eh? |
| 19:08.59 | johnfg | Sorry guys, I gotta run to the 2nd job. 40 minutes early because of snow and bad weather here in Montana. Happy Spring! |
| 19:09.01 | xar- | johnfg: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/813 |
| 19:09.07 | xar- | I think you were bitten by that |
| 19:09.30 | xar- | also http://php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php#ini.asp-tags |
| 19:09.36 | johnfg | xar-: I opened it, and will look later. Thanks to everyone that's trying to help and solve this problem. |
| 19:09.48 | protectionfault | johnfg: I was taking a shot, travel safe. |
| 19:10.05 | xar- | johnfg: if I had to go out on a limb, you've got short tags in your application; you need to go into your .ini and enable the option, and more importantly, upgrade your code |
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| 19:10.25 | xar- | johnfg: also this, https://wiki.php.net/rfc/remove_alternative_php_tags |
| 19:10.50 | greycat | 14:58 johnfg> [...] I have a file with <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
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| 19:12.17 | xar- | johnfg: egrep -i -A5 short_open_tag /path/to/php.ini |
| 19:12.35 | xar- | that's probably what you want |
| 19:12.41 | johnfg | xar-: Don't need to egrep: I set it to On last night. |
| 19:12.42 | greycat | is <?php a "short open tag"? |
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| 19:13.23 | johnfg | greycat: That's proper. It can be on one line, as I typed for irssi, but in my index.php, it's on 3 lines. |
| 19:13.51 | greycat | seems like xar- is focused on something that doesn't actually affect you |
| 19:13.56 | xar- | outside of that, need way more instrumentation to understand the nature of the problem, very few actual details |
| 19:14.16 | greycat | well, that part is true |
| 19:15.52 | xar- | yea I mean other than some version numbers, I'm shooting in the dark ha |
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| 19:16.54 | xar- | speaking of packages, is there an IUS equivalent for Debian? |
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| 19:18.27 | xar- | php7.(0) is a bit long in the tooth at this point |
| 19:19.15 | nkuttler | what's ius? |
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| 19:20.46 | xar- | https://ius.io; provides rpms for newer versions of specific packages for the Red Hat ecosystem |
| 19:21.04 | nkuttler | !tell xar- about backports |
| 19:21.38 | xar- | just curious if there's a rough approximation; cuz in johnfg's case, he's going through the pain of migrating to php7.(0); why not just go for broken and do 7.2.x |
| 19:21.38 | annadane | i suspect most package managers can be installed not necessarily system-wide like .deb's |
| 19:21.43 | annadane | not tried it though |
| 19:21.49 | xar- | s/broken/broke |
| 19:22.28 | nkuttler | ,v php7.2 |
| 19:22.29 | judd | Package: php7.2 on amd64 -- buster: 7.2.3-1; sid: 7.2.3-1; sid: 7.2.4-1 |
| 19:22.39 | nkuttler | ,v php7.1 |
| 19:22.40 | judd | Package: php7.1 on amd64 -- sid: 7.1.0-5; buster: 7.1.15-1; sid: 7.1.15-1; sid: 7.1.16-1 |
| 19:23.05 | greycat | I still don't understand how sid has 3 different versions of the same package in judd's output. |
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| 19:23.56 | xar- | that bot's link is underwhelming |
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| 19:24.36 | nkuttler | xar-: that's what you get with debian. we value stability |
| 19:24.37 | greycat | xar-: "go for broken" was probably correct. This *is* PHP we're talking about. |
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| 19:25.11 | xar- | I think I found what I need on page 65... lol |
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| 19:26.36 | rpifan | whats worng |
| 19:26.50 | Tenkawa | got a few aging on me |
| 19:27.07 | xar- | greycat: I'm the last guy to start a war, but I'd argue things in PHP land have significantly improved in the last several years; both in terms of performance (on par or better than HHVM) and just over-all maturity of the language and the ecosystem (composer and similar ilk) |
| 19:27.29 | Tenkawa | I put them through a ton of write cycles |
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| 19:28.42 | annadane | i'm amazed my pc hasn't grown a hand and slapped me across the face for all the abuse i've put it through |
| 19:29.00 | Tenkawa | annadane: heheheh mine have tried |
| 19:29.06 | Tenkawa | they try to trip me |
| 19:29.15 | Tenkawa | cables fly out and try to grab me |
| 19:29.15 | Tenkawa | etc |
| 19:29.18 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 19:29.37 | annadane | i will treat my next one better. i'm sorry. :( |
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| 19:30.19 | Tenkawa | mine is mostly because I'm just that clumsy |
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| 19:31.13 | xar- | I'd probably also argue that there's been this indirect democratizing effect as well; for many programmers PHP was an early gateway into other forms of web development; and the platforms and frameworks built on that foundation power a lot of the web (Wordpress, etc.); I don't have a horse in the race, I don't use PHP a great deal. |
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| 19:46.00 | JordiGH | Uh, is `dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb` the right way to put the iso into a usb stick? |
| 19:46.01 | JordiGH | I sure hope so. |
| 19:46.23 | tw | cp debian.iso /dev/sdb would do it. |
| 19:46.32 | tw | (assuming gnu coreutils) |
| 19:46.33 | greycat | only if /dev/sdb is your USB stick and only if debian.iso is a Debian netinst or similar image |
| 19:46.43 | JordiGH | Oh, I could have just done cp, huh. |
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| 19:51.05 | annadane | read the installation manual & release notes |
| 19:53.04 | JordiGH | annadane: tl;dr easier to ask here, already read it too many times in my 15 years of using debian, getting too old for this shit. :P |
| 19:53.16 | annadane | that's fair. :D |
| 19:53.42 | annadane | dd is also a bit of a nuclear bomb, avoid if possible |
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| 19:54.10 | annadane | or if not avoid triple check your if/of names |
| 19:54.12 | JordiGH | Hm, this stupid x1 doesn't seem to want to boot from the usb, what's the problem, buddy? |
| 19:54.19 | JordiGH | I can totally see Debian files in there. |
| 19:54.32 | annadane | maybe change the order of boot devices in the bios |
| 19:54.45 | JordiGH | Yeah, did that. |
| 19:54.45 | annadane | or select it manually from the list by mashing F12 on startup |
| 19:54.57 | annadane | or whatever the f12 equiv is on your pc |
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| 19:55.08 | qifan | any debian channel support, app store GNU/DEBIAN ? |
| 19:55.10 | JordiGH | Yeah, f12, I wonder if dd instead of cp messed something up. |
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| 19:55.13 | qifan | from windows |
| 19:55.29 | annadane | probably have to ask microsoft |
| 19:55.34 | qifan | all right |
| 19:55.42 | qifan | they must know stuff about debian for sure |
| 19:55.46 | qifan | thank you |
| 19:55.51 | annadane | they don't even know windows, so... |
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| 19:56.13 | qifan | ROFL |
| 19:56.54 | qifan | keep away from voodoo |
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| 19:57.46 | JordiGH | jordi@chloe:/media/jordi/d-live nf 9.4.0 ma amd64$ la |
| 19:57.46 | JordiGH | boot d-i .disk dists firmware isolinux live pool |
| 19:57.54 | JordiGH | Does that look about right for a bootable usb? |
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| 19:58.23 | annadane | does "sync" work with dd, maybe that has to be done as well |
| 19:58.28 | qifan | shame on amd :P full of work atm doing the gnu/linux work flawless :) no time yet for dual grafics cards am i right people ? |
| 19:58.36 | JordiGH | annadane: oh shit |
| 19:58.42 | JordiGH | Maybe I ripped out the usb before it was done. |
| 19:58.48 | qifan | LOLLLLLLLLL |
| 19:59.05 | JordiGH | I just waited for dd to tell me how many bytes it copied over. |
| 19:59.33 | annadane | there's a way of checking already copied images with checksums but i forget how |
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| 20:00.07 | Tenkawa | annadane: I think theres files kept in /boot |
| 20:00.15 | Tenkawa | they may or may not be up to date though |
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| 20:00.32 | Tenkawa | oh wait.. I'm thinking of rpi |
| 20:00.33 | Tenkawa | nm |
| 20:00.34 | annadane | i guess i'd maybe just redo it with cp |
| 20:00.43 | JordiGH | Hm, yeah, other laptop just booted it from just fine. |
| 20:00.47 | JordiGH | Why you giving me a hard time, x1. |
| 20:00.56 | JordiGH | Is it because you're securely booting into not Debian? |
| 20:01.08 | annadane | turn off secureboot? *shrug* |
| 20:01.15 | annadane | i have no idea, sorry |
| 20:01.19 | JordiGH | Yeah, let's see.. |
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| 20:01.30 | unkmar | I have a 3 screen setup. Everything WAS fine. I attempted to run a vlc instance in Fullscreen mode. Now my middle monitor does not display the mouse cursor. |
| 20:01.36 | unkmar | I'd rather not "IT Crowd" Turn it off and on again. I have an environment I would like to keep. |
| 20:01.44 | Tenkawa | JordiGH: whats up? I missed the details |
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| 20:02.15 | unkmar | Ideas how I can restore the mouse pointer? |
| 20:02.36 | JordiGH | Tenkawa: Can't get an x1 stinkpad to boot from a debian usb, booted an old Dell Inspiron 1420 from it just fine, trying to figure out what kind of BIOS fiddling I need to do now. |
| 20:03.01 | Tenkawa | whats its real name please |
| 20:03.11 | Tenkawa | i dont know what a x1 stinkpad is |
| 20:03.20 | JordiGH | x1 gen5 thinkpad |
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| 20:03.48 | Tenkawa | OH |
| 20:04.01 | Tenkawa | well.. |
| 20:04.05 | unkmar | Nevermind. I got it. Switching to VT because Terminals were not responsive appears to kick the X-servers into behaving. |
| 20:04.08 | Tenkawa | thinkpads are ibm |
| 20:04.16 | JordiGH | They haven't been for a long time. |
| 20:04.26 | Tenkawa | thats likely going to have efi |
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| 20:04.42 | annadane | yeah, refreshes the display |
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| 20:04.49 | annadane | that sounds like a good general solution |
| 20:04.59 | JordiGH | So anyway, let's disable secure boot. |
| 20:05.26 | Tenkawa | JordiGH: that is a good place to start "and" do you by chance have a usb cdrom drive? |
| 20:05.33 | JordiGH | There we go, disabled, and booted. |
| 20:05.34 | Tenkawa | yould hook up? |
| 20:05.38 | JordiGH | Woo, so insecure! |
| 20:05.45 | Tenkawa | no |
| 20:05.57 | Tenkawa | secure boot is just ...... |
| 20:06.08 | JordiGH | Keeping me safe from the dangers of linux |
| 20:06.39 | annadane | i'm not sure i've ever seen sync used in conjunction with dd so that's maybe not applicable |
| 20:06.42 | annadane | it's recommended for cp though |
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| 20:07.27 | annadane | i think with dd when you simply unmount the stick or whatever that it writes properly |
| 20:07.36 | annadane | if you however just rip out the stick... |
| 20:11.15 | somiaj | I think sync is about the ext2 filesystem cache, so that is why it wouldn't be needed for dd, you aren't writing to the filesystem. |
| 20:11.19 | somiaj | well ext? |
| 20:11.37 | annadane | maybe... anyway, brb |
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| 20:18.12 | JordiGH | oh boy, what's the debian live user's password? |
| 20:18.34 | protectionfault | enter? |
| 20:18.49 | JordiGH | That's what I thought, but no! |
| 20:18.54 | qifan | 3 speaces |
| 20:18.56 | qifan | spaces |
| 20:18.59 | qifan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.09 | qifan | worked ? |
| 20:19.28 | JordiGH | "live" |
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| 20:19.33 | JordiGH | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=102937 |
| 20:19.35 | JordiGH | Thanks, internet! |
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| 20:20.28 | brontosaurusrex | Any go programming channel? go-nuts doesnt seem to respond. |
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| 20:22.07 | somiaj | JordiGH: you shouldn' tneed one and sudo should be setup for nopass privlages to create any passwords you need. |
| 20:22.21 | somiaj | JordiGH: I have seen debian/debian in the past, but unsure, this has changed a few times. |
| 20:22.32 | somiaj | oh live...I'm slow |
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| 20:40.00 | elenalesb | hola |
| 20:40.06 | elenalesb | hay alguien? |
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| 20:41.29 | hyperlumic | elenalesb: ¿Necesitas ayuda en español? |
| 20:42.06 | hyperlumic | I tried. |
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| 20:45.02 | annadane | people who leave within a minute of asking are the absolute worst |
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| 20:46.57 | nobody | hi :) |
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| 20:55.33 | darkhanb | I know that "build-essential" is the apt-get package to install compiler, make and other tools |
| 20:55.42 | darkhanb | what's the apt-get package to install autotools like: autoreconf, libtool, etc..? |
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| 21:05.26 | dkz | hi guys |
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| 21:06.44 | dkz | I'm suddenly getting this error on my server: Failed to start iptables.service: Unit iptables.service failed to load: No such file or directory. I always had iptables installed on my server. Any idea to fix this issue? There was something changed about iptables? Thanks! |
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| 21:09.47 | TechNet | hi |
| 21:10.17 | annadane | dkz, did this start happening after an upgrade? |
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| 21:13.01 | dkz | annadane: I didn't upgrade manually the server, but that's true I run unattended-upgrades. I'm not really sure if that's the cause of the problem |
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| 21:21.23 | Gn0m3 | Hi_ |
| 21:21.45 | Gn0m3 | I'm a French noobie in GNU/Linux, I found this tutorial for passing to testing, is it good for u ? |
| 21:21.46 | Gn0m3 | https://notamax.be/passer-de-debian-stable-a-testing/ |
| 21:22.09 | Gn0m3 | (I know, its in french but, can u just say to me if it seems nice or completly broken :p ? ) |
| 21:22.32 | annadane | Gn0m3, why do you want to use testing? |
| 21:22.36 | annadane | testing can break |
| 21:22.57 | Gn0m3 | More recent packages, and just to test |
| 21:23.02 | Gn0m3 | For "learning purposes", if its correct ? :p |
| 21:23.09 | Tenkawa | Gn0m3: If you dont have a specific need for testing and are new to linux you should learn the basics first |
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| 21:23.16 | Gn0m3 | Okay okay, thanks |
| 21:23.32 | Tenkawa | it will save you a lot of headache |
| 21:23.37 | Gn0m3 | I will test that in virtual machine first. I stay on my Debian stable w/ gnome for the moment :) |
| 21:23.41 | Gn0m3 | Hahahah thanks |
| 21:23.48 | Tenkawa | good idea |
| 21:23.58 | Tenkawa | good use of a virtual machine |
| 21:24.02 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
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| 21:27.31 | dkz | this it's the issue I have on my Debian server: https://pastebin.com/VEPCiUXx if anyone can take a look I will appreciate it, thanks |
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| 21:35.54 | hyperlumic | dkz: Might I suggest checking out ufw? |
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| 21:36.18 | hyperlumic | dkz: It'll manage your iptables rules much more simply. Based on that paste, it should serve your needs well. |
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| 21:41.40 | dkz | hyperlumic sounds great, it's just I don't understand why suddenly iptables stop responding as service |
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| 21:42.54 | dkz | I even tried reinstalling the iptables package, but I'm getting the same issue |
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| 21:59.36 | hyperlumic | I don't use the iptables service, honestly, so I'm of limited help. I do use ufw, so I can attest to a lack of any issues with it. Anecdotally, anyway. |
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| 22:00.16 | dkz | hyperlumic I installed ufw, but I don't know how to migrate the iptables rules to ufw, is there any easy way? |
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| 22:00.44 | hyperlumic | dkz: Not that I know if. ufw's syntax is fairly simple, though. |
| 22:01.06 | ewew | Hi. It looks like i have found the solution to my issue. |
| 22:01.18 | dkz | the time attempted to start ufw, warned about to lose the ssh connection, I just want to make sure I don't lose the ssh service forever :D |
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| 22:01.29 | ewew | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next#GCN_3rd_Generation_%28Volcanic_Islands%29 |
| 22:01.58 | hyperlumic | dkz: Step one: 'ufw allow ssh' |
| 22:02.21 | dkz | hyperlumic what if the default was changed? |
| 22:02.29 | ewew | If the a10 cpu has Tonga or Fiji, then its present in the firmware package for debian. |
| 22:02.53 | dkz | default ssh port* |
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| 22:02.56 | hyperlumic | dkz: ufw allow port/proto |
| 22:03.00 | hyperlumic | dkz: ufw allow 2222/tcp, for example. |
| 22:03.56 | hyperlumic | dkz: Full syntax is basically: ufw allow|deny [in|out] [proto tcp|udp|icmp|...] [from any|ip|cidr] [to any|ip|cidr] port xxx |
| 22:04.15 | ewew | Probably i got confused by the R7 series graphic present in the APU. |
| 22:04.25 | dkz | sounds very good to me, in fact I like the ufw syntax. I will keep reading about ufw, thanks for your help hyperlumic |
| 22:04.30 | hyperlumic | dkz: Sure thing. |
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| 22:17.27 | mar77i | hm. I wonder. I created this debian dvd now, and it doesn't seem to ship a proper live system. |
| 22:17.51 | mar77i | somebody willing to walk me through setting up an ssh server in rescue mode? |
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| 22:18.14 | Brigo | mar77i, what for? |
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| 22:19.34 | mar77i | I bought this laptop new, and I'd like to keep a copy of the drives so I could reset it later (or repurpose the current os). |
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| 22:21.07 | Johnny | nick Johnny 1234 |
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| 22:22.31 | mar77i | is there a debian live system that boots a full desktop? |
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| 22:24.37 | Brigo | mar77i, yes, there is. |
| 22:25.01 | mar77i | glad I have this many blank dvds lying around. |
| 22:25.01 | Brigo | mar77i, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/ |
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| 22:25.59 | mar77i | thanks for that, I was already going to load the "clean" one from debina-cd/current-live/ |
| 22:26.03 | mar77i | *debian |
| 22:27.52 | mar77i | also nonfree drivers will help, since this is a "regular" consumer laptop. |
| 22:28.20 | Brigo | mar77i, usually is better the unofficial image because of that. |
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| 22:47.40 | mar77i | it's a-bootin |
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| 23:30.37 | noahmg123 | I am on debian unstable and using GIMP's File->Create->Screenshot results in a black screen |
| 23:30.57 | noahmg123 | A black image* |
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| 23:31.53 | noahmg123 | Similarly, using Kdenlive or Shotcut, and then using the color picker tools will result in the picked color always being black |
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| 23:40.28 | guessss | Hey. Can U told me how to change language in all Desktop Enviroment LXDE in Debian to English? mean kind of standard language. |
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