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| 11:50.53 | permalink | abrotman i installed the fw for that NIC , now the error is gon and the connection gets up faster . it took 80 seconds compared to 200 seconds or more |
| 11:51.10 | abrotman | I guess that's a "win" :) |
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| 11:51.22 | abrotman | Is that the interface you're actually using? |
| 11:51.39 | permalink | i hope so , thanks :) . yes |
| 11:51.56 | abrotman | Okay |
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| 11:52.50 | cef | siraben: sure there's not some sort of mitm proxy in the way? |
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| 11:55.53 | cef | siraben: also, have you tried ftp.debian.org in /etc/apt/sources.lst instead of deb.debian.org ? |
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| 11:56.41 | cef | tho that won't fix the security.debian.org issues you're seeing.. hrm |
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| 11:59.34 | siraben | cef: Can you give an example of a sources.list file? Yours, if you mind? |
| 12:00.45 | cef | siraben: first off. try 'apt-key list' and pastebin the output |
| 12:02.29 | siraben | cef: https://paste.debian.net/1020543/ |
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| 12:04.59 | cef | Ok, that looks much the same as mine. :/ |
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| 12:06.20 | siraben | Well, there's always reinstalling Debian ;) |
| 12:06.21 | ghormoon | hi, did anyone try skypeforlinux with PULSE_SERVER=ip set? is it possible to use "remote" headset? |
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| 12:08.04 | cef | siraben: only things i cna suggest is look thru /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ for anything weird. |
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| 12:09.11 | siraben | https://paste.debian.net/1020545/ |
| 12:09.21 | siraben | I don't see anything weird |
| 12:09.43 | siraben | Perhaps this is related to the fact that I initially installed Debian 9.0.0 today? I didn't get the latest ISO yet |
| 12:10.02 | siraben | It didn't happen if the latest version was installed, I think |
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| 12:11.25 | siraben | Although no matter the version, whenever I change the country of the apt mirror to something closer, it just complains about PUBKEY |
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| 12:18.12 | Guest48177 | a |
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| 12:18.23 | cef | siraben: you installed a 9.0.0 image? |
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| 12:19.37 | siraben | cef: Yes... |
| 12:19.56 | siraben | Should've just gone through my backups and got a 9.4.0 ISO I downloaded a couple weeks ago |
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| 12:20.05 | siraben | Silly me |
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| 12:22.48 | AikiLinux | Hi guys, can you explain to me why the the prefix i provide is not being used ? https://paste.ee/p/Sqlkc |
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| 12:23.21 | siraben | cef: Will installing 9.4.0 fix the issue? |
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| 12:27.26 | choice | Hello! The time of my server is off. 2 hours in the past. How do I set it? |
| 12:27.52 | cef | siraben: yeah if it's a brand new install probably a wise choice.. I suspect there's something weird with the 9.0.0 image you have |
| 12:28.08 | siraben | So it's supposed to work without any issues? |
| 12:28.23 | choice | Would this work? date -s '2018-04-16 14:28'? |
| 12:28.26 | cef | siraben: maybe check the md5/sha on the images too. just to make sure they're ok. |
| 12:28.42 | siraben | I downloaded them through torrent though? |
| 12:28.54 | cef | then def check the sha/md5 |
| 12:28.59 | siraben | Ok |
| 12:29.00 | tvm | choice, just use something like ntpd -q and it will sync the time |
| 12:29.08 | choice | Looks like it accepted it. But if I am not wront, I did this in the past. Does the server reset the time after a reboot or somwthing? |
| 12:29.39 | tvm | choice, no, it shouldn't, is time correct now ? |
| 12:29.57 | choice | tvm: after the 'date -s ...' it is correct now. |
| 12:30.26 | cef | choice: cmos battery bad perhaps? |
| 12:30.44 | choice | cef: Don't think so. It's a vps in a datacenter. |
| 12:30.45 | cef | choice: or is it a vm? |
| 12:30.48 | choice | yup |
| 12:31.06 | tvm | choice, could be wrong timezone perhaps ? |
| 12:31.13 | cef | choice: ohhhh.. ok.. you probably want to either run ntpdate in a cron job, or install ntpd |
| 12:31.28 | choice | tvm: How do I check that? |
| 12:31.51 | cef | choice: some vps's think the system clock should be in local time rather than GMT |
| 12:31.55 | tvm | choice, cat /etc/timezone i guess |
| 12:32.12 | choice | tvm: Europe/Berlin. Which is where I am. |
| 12:32.34 | tvm | you can probably want to run ntpd on boot to sync time |
| 12:32.37 | cef | choice: where is the VPS hosted tho? |
| 12:32.42 | choice | cef: UK |
| 12:33.21 | cef | that'll be it then.. just a matter of figuring out what they've done. |
| 12:33.29 | tvm | choice, check with hwclock -r to see what's hardware time |
| 12:33.59 | choice | tvm: Mon 16 Apr 2018 02:33:49 PM CEST |
| 12:34.06 | tvm | hmm |
| 12:34.13 | choice | tvm: That looks good. Not sure what the CEST means though. |
| 12:34.14 | tvm | it's same time as here |
| 12:34.22 | tvm | centreal european summer time |
| 12:34.29 | choice | Is that the time in Berlin? |
| 12:34.34 | tvm | yeah i think so |
| 12:34.37 | choice | Ok |
| 12:34.52 | tvm | i'm in western czech rep, it's same |
| 12:35.28 | siraben | Living in SEA, can't imagine the headaches daylight saving time causes |
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| 12:37.08 | choice | siraben: What is SEA? |
| 12:37.15 | siraben | South East Asia |
| 12:37.23 | choice | You never change your clocks? |
| 12:37.27 | siraben | No |
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| 12:37.34 | siraben | lol |
| 12:37.40 | choice | Awesome. I'm envious. |
| 12:37.51 | siraben | What do you have to do during daylight saving time? |
| 12:38.00 | siraben | Holy shit imagine losing 1 hour of sleep |
| 12:38.04 | siraben | 1 more* |
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| 12:38.18 | siraben | So an hour of the day just... evaporates? |
| 12:38.21 | tvm | it's mildly damaging to your bilogical cycle, yeah |
| 12:38.24 | tvm | of course |
| 12:38.28 | siraben | I'm confused |
| 12:38.35 | siraben | How can time just jump forward |
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| 12:38.46 | tvm | you just shift from 0200 to 0300 and back once per year |
| 12:38.51 | siraben | Isn't the EU going to get rid of it soon? |
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| 12:38.59 | tvm | no one managed to do that yet |
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| 12:39.06 | siraben | I read an article somewhere saying that the parliament voted or something |
| 12:39.07 | tvm | but it would be logical step i think |
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| 12:39.17 | tvm | but it's somewhat hot topic, yeah |
| 12:39.23 | siraben | I'm envious of Europe's nice weather during the summer |
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| 12:39.57 | siraben | Went to Switzerland last year, was a little confusing to see the afternoon sun during 8 PM but the towns were very nice and the weather too |
| 12:40.16 | siraben | afternoon sun* in a country near the equator |
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| 12:41.42 | vlt | near o_O |
| 12:41.53 | tvm | i think the sun here works as it should :D |
| 12:42.13 | siraben | Lol the 8 PM sun is so high there, sunset occurs at 9:30 PM? |
| 12:42.16 | siraben | During mid summer? |
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| 12:42.47 | siraben | It's around 6 PM here, 5:30 at the earliest in the winter time, 6:30 PM in the summer |
| 12:42.52 | siraben | For sunset |
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| 12:42.57 | tvm | i think so, during summer you get sun from like 0600 to 2100 |
| 12:43.03 | choice | The server still writes the wrong time into the DB when entries are created. |
| 12:43.09 | choice | I wonder where the time gets changed. |
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| 12:44.03 | tvm | choice, into DB ? |
| 12:44.07 | siraben | So when you go out of DST does time jump backwards? How do system logs handle that? I suppose they use UNIX time |
| 12:44.08 | tvm | DBs have their timezones too |
| 12:44.34 | siraben | I should find UNIX clocks to hang on my wall |
| 12:44.38 | choice | tvm: I guess I will figure it out with my developer then. |
| 12:44.39 | tvm | siraben, actually, i've never cared and it just works all the time |
| 12:44.41 | siraben | It's the same time no matter what |
| 12:44.51 | vlt | siraben: Either that or they use time zone aware dates. |
| 12:45.00 | siraben | It's just interesting that DST exists at all |
| 12:45.13 | tvm | choice, if the system time is OK, then it's your app/DB settings |
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| 12:45.38 | choice | tvm: That could be. The dev will look into it then. |
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| 12:58.13 | AikiLinux | how can i define the prefix in the debian/rules file ? |
| 12:58.25 | siraben | Brb installing Debian 9.4.0/ |
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| 13:13.48 | miguel2013 | hey I have a version 1 of a wireless n card that when I connect into debian jessie |
| 13:14.06 | miguel2013 | can installing a newer debian detect this card that;s not really new |
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| 13:15.57 | PerfDave | miguel2013: Depends what card it is. |
| 13:16.10 | miguel2013 | tp-link tl-wn722n |
| 13:16.11 | miguel2013 | version1 |
| 13:16.25 | miguel2013 | no windows 10 support |
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| 13:16.48 | PerfDave | So I'd look for Linux support and see what version kernel etc. you need for it |
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| 13:17.17 | miguel2013 | PerfDave: it works with xubuntu |
| 13:17.24 | miguel2013 | out of the box I believe :/ |
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| 13:17.50 | miguel2013 | like the one from 6 months ago |
| 13:18.00 | miguel2013 | maybe a year |
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| 13:22.37 | petn-randall | miguel2013: stretch is about 2 years newer than jessie, so I'd give it a try. |
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| 13:41.52 | karlpinc | miguel2013: The other thing to note is that if it needs non-free firmware you'll be wanting to either install with the unoffical debian installer which has non-free firmware or follow the instructions in the install guide. |
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| 14:05.27 | karlpinc | What's an easy way to convert text to PDF? I've been using libreoffice, but that seems like overkill, and when done from the command line I can't have an libreoffice window open. And now I want to change the font... |
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| 14:07.46 | themill | karlpinc: pandoc can also do it; also overkill |
| 14:09.03 | themill | or a2ps |
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| 14:11.03 | karlpinc | Thanks. a2ps is probably the way to go. |
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| 14:14.33 | shtrb|laptop | karlpinc, pdftk rules! |
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| 14:15.47 | themill | shtrb|laptop: how does pdftk help here? I've never seen that |
| 14:15.58 | karlpinc | shtrb|laptop: How would use you pdftk to convert text to pdf? I thought it only frobs once in pdf. |
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| 14:19.35 | karlpinc | I'm going to have to figure out how to get a2ps to generate portrait. Either that or it's trying to make A4 instead of US letter and that's making it rotate and print 2 to a page, or something. |
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| 14:24.10 | miguel2013 | karlpinc: cool |
| 14:24.21 | themill | karlpinc: -1 |
| 14:24.55 | shtrb|laptop | sorry , I was thinking about pandoc filename -o output.pdf (if the file is formated in known type) and then use pdftk to adjust to the correct format |
| 14:24.58 | karlpinc | themill: ? |
| 14:25.07 | themill | karlpinc: a2ps can dump a ps file you can inspect; a2ps -1 o - | ps2pdf foo.pdf |
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| 14:25.16 | themill | karlpinc: -1 means 1 page per sheet |
| 14:25.42 | karlpinc | themill: Thanks. Was reading the info pages just now but hadn't gotten to that. |
| 14:26.36 | themill | :) |
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| 14:36.38 | karlpinc | a2ps --silent --borders=no --no-header -1 -o - foo.txt | ps2pdf - foo.pdf |
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| 14:48.22 | antoine____ | Hello, I would like to get wildcard certificates through let's encrypt. Is it a bad idea to upgrade certbot from stretch-backports ? (so I get a more recent version that supports wildcard certificates). |
| 14:48.26 | karlpinc | (One would think that the sane a2ps defaults would be all those options.) |
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| 14:49.45 | hyperlumic | antoine____: That is what backports is there for, assuming you're running stretch. |
| 14:49.51 | karlpinc | antoine____: It is probably not a bad idea. I don't really trust that backports have security updates. The (random person) uploader is _supposed_ to be responsible and keep the backport up to date, but I'd bet that people don't. All the same, you are probably good. |
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| 14:51.58 | karlpinc | antoine____: You might devote a few brain cycles to think about why you need wildcard certificates. You can get single certs for more than one domain on them. (Or at least things like www.example.com and foo.example.com. I've not tried completely different domains and haven't even thought about whether tha makes sense.) |
| 14:52.01 | antoine____ | hyperlumic: karlpinc: Ok, thanks :). I was asking because certbot pulls a few python dependancies that I assume are pulled from backport. Wouldn't want to break anything else with those deps. |
| 14:53.32 | antoine____ | karlpinc: Yes I have a few already (~ 5 or 6) and it annoys me that each time I want to try something out through a subdomain I need to go over cetbot again. |
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| 14:54.12 | antoine____ | For example atm I'm considering moving my email service from example.org to smtp.example.org and imap.example.org |
| 14:54.43 | antoine____ | Maybe I should rather add (once again) those subdomains to my certbot command... |
| 14:54.53 | karlpinc | antoine____: Consider writing yourself a README. :) |
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| 14:55.48 | karlpinc | antoine____: Is there a way to get letsencrypt to "authenticate" via smtp, so that a cert used for smtp does not have to be stuck on a website somewhere? |
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| 14:58.20 | antoine____ | karlpinc: I didn't get that. I don't know of a way for certbot to authenticate through smtp. I didn't get why the cert would be stuck on a website. |
| 14:58.22 | antoine____ | karlpinc: Do you know if it is possible to go back from backports to stable? |
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| 15:00.53 | annadane | antoine____, it is possible |
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| 15:05.42 | antoine____ | annadane: I can't find how. Is it something like `sudo apt install -t stretch package`? |
| 15:06.14 | karlpinc | antoine____: You have to install your cert on your website, somehow or another I forget the details, letting letsencrypt.org have access to it (via http IIRC) so that letsencrypt knows you control the website. I forget the details, but it definately involves a webserver. (And you don't need a webserver for smtp, obviously. Letsencrypt _should_ be able to tell you've installed the cert in your MTA and know that way that you control |
| 15:06.14 | karlpinc | the domain.) |
| 15:06.21 | jelly | antoine____: look at apt-cache policy package for available versions. Then use apt install package=version |
| 15:07.46 | bites | karlpinc: certbot can spin up its own server. i believe it's the certbot certonly --standalone option. https://certbot.eff.org/docs/using.html#standalone |
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| 15:09.53 | antoine____ | karlpinc: What I think it does is it turns off the services running on the subdomain, launches its own service, authenticates, then turns off its own service and turns back on whatever service was previously running. |
| 15:10.32 | antoine____ | bites: Yes, "its own service" being a webserver I believe :). |
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| 15:11.37 | antoine____ | (Then I have a script that runs after certbot to propagate the certificate to all the different services and machines) |
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| 15:12.10 | bites | yes, for the duration of the verification. certbot is just an acme client and that needs a webserver. |
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| 15:17.55 | karlpinc | I always use "raw" mode with certbot, or whatever it is called. It does not do all the turn-off/on stuff. The regular webserver is used to do the certification of domain ownership. Anyway, I want to be able to do "certification of domain ownership" with smtp. My email server blocks http(s) traffic. Happen to know if it is possible? |
| 15:18.06 | antoine____ | Wait, all of this might be pointless. I got an email saying "Accepted python-certbot 0.23.0-1~bpo9+1 (source) into stretch-backports", yet `apt search -t stretch-backports certbot` only shows "certbot/stretch-backports 0.21.1-1~bpo9+1 all [upgradable from: 0.10.2-1]". |
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| 15:18.35 | bites | it's not possible. |
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| 15:19.25 | bites | you need port 80 or 443 open for certbot to work. |
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| 15:20.31 | PerfDave | Generally I use the DNS TXT method for proving I own a hostname for an SSL cert with letsencrypt. |
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| 15:25.58 | bites | oh, right, the dns challenge exists. i've spoken too early. |
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| 15:27.24 | bites | i believe you can't easily automate renewal then, which suck, but it might fit your restrictions. |
| 15:28.00 | PerfDave | bites: My DNS provider (Mythic Beasts) has an API and a plugin for the ACME client "dehydrated", so we handle renewals on a cronjob with that. |
| 15:28.18 | bites | mine doesn't /o\ |
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| 15:29.19 | jelly | what kind of dns provider doesn't have an api |
| 15:29.26 | PerfDave | I've asked them to provide a separate API plugin which can /only/ change ACME-related TXT records, they're looking into it |
| 15:30.01 | jelly | surely you can firefox in xvfb and selenium and MAKE an api out of clicking their web :-) |
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| 15:30.14 | jelly | hides |
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| 15:35.20 | jelly | karlpinc: even if you don't do dns-01 challenge, you can still do http-01 on a different host, if you control your dns. |
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| 15:35.55 | jelly | renew on a host that has A/AAAA records for desired domain, and has http(s) enabled, and transfer keys |
| 15:36.27 | PerfDave | Though again that will be a pain for renewal :) |
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| 15:52.42 | setuid | Is there a way to determine if a package was installed via compiling from the upstream sources (apt-get source foo; build foo; dpkg -i my-foo.deb)? debsums will not help, because it will match the sums against the instsalled package, not the one from upstream. |
| 15:53.02 | setuid | IOW, if someone downloads the source for foo, recompiles with -O3 instead of -O2 and then installs the deb. |
| 15:53.18 | PerfDave | setuid: md5sum of the .deb file/ |
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| 15:53.40 | greycat | oh, so *not* upstream source. deb source. |
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| 15:53.54 | setuid | Yes, sorry, upstream from the user's machine, not upstream from Debian |
| 15:54.02 | greycat | If someone does that, it is their responsibility to bump the version number in the package so that it's no longer the same as the Debian version number. |
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| 15:54.16 | PerfDave | greycat: And yet so few people do :) |
| 15:54.18 | setuid | greycat: Right, but we're trying to track if they're trying to pull a fast one |
| 15:54.30 | greycat | Why do you care? |
| 15:54.58 | tempate | Hello. Is it possible to have a text file that automatically syncs changes in two machines? |
| 15:55.13 | setuid | Because we want to know if we support bugs/issues they report from the installed package (eg, ours, built with -O2) vs. the one they rebuilt from that source, using -O3, causing breakage. |
| 15:55.27 | setuid | tempate: rsync? git diff? |
| 15:55.34 | annadane | i installed vim-athena, how does one call it? |
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| 15:55.44 | greycat | setuid: then you'd need something equivalent to debsums (hashes of the installed files) |
| 15:55.45 | annadane | bash: vim-athena: command not found |
| 15:55.58 | tempate | setuid: mhm, let me check those out. Thanks! |
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| 15:56.16 | setuid | greycat: Right, so we'd have to compare the debsums from the "official" package, vs. the output of debsums from their machine. |
| 15:56.25 | setuid | Hrm, that might work... we can bolt that into sosreport |
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| 15:57.32 | annadane | i suppose there's a way to load themes in vim and that's the way you're meant to do it |
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| 15:58.18 | greycat | annadane: anything useful in /usr/share/doc/vim-athena/ ? |
| 15:58.22 | annadane | oh, i can try update-alternatives |
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| 15:58.44 | sapristi_ | hello, any grub guru in here ? |
| 15:58.50 | annadane | greycat, no READMEs, but yes i ought to have checked there first |
| 15:58.59 | belatrix | Hi guys can anyone lead me in the right direction, I'm really trying to breakdown the Debian based Parrot / Sec system ... Anyone with any advice, will really be appreciated... |
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| 15:59.11 | greycat | !parrot |
| 15:59.12 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 15:59.26 | annadane | huh. already the default, apparently |
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| 16:00.04 | belatrix | Thank you, for that tid bit -) ... |
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| 16:00.27 | annadane | belatrix, the general answer is, don't use kali/parrot as a daily desktop |
| 16:00.34 | annadane | that's not how they're meant to be used |
| 16:00.57 | PerfDave | annadane: Speak for yourself ;) |
| 16:01.03 | belatrix | Why is this? I have an absolute fascination with Pentesting ... |
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| 16:01.36 | greycat | it's not for us to say how some other non-Debian OS can be used |
| 16:02.16 | petn-randall | belatrix: I'd install it in a VM. That way you can snapshot and rollback if a upgrade fails. Which happens fairly often ever since it switched to rolling release. |
| 16:04.12 | belatrix | Geez, the entire VM when I do it that way, is so annoying and slow. |
| 16:04.49 | belatrix | Since 2 systems are running same time. When I was in Ubuntu, but I only did this with Kali. Not parrot. |
| 16:05.37 | petn-randall | belatrix: You don't have any HW virtualization in your CPU? |
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| 16:06.18 | belatrix | So, I was really trying to dive into the understanding of Ports, and just general to medium advanced info towards, Packets, System admin etc... |
| 16:06.31 | greycat | !parrot |
| 16:06.31 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 16:06.35 | belatrix | Yes I do... But, geez it was annoying. |
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| 16:07.07 | belatrix | Thank you greycat, dpkg, I was just speaking with Pet |
| 16:07.07 | petn-randall | belatrix: Well, then there's no more we can help you with. If you have any questions about Parrot, direct it to their channel. |
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| 16:08.00 | belatrix | Okay, thank you petn, I haven't been utilizing IRC client for quite sometime, so I'm getting back into the sting of things. Appreciate it. -) |
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| 16:09.09 | belatrix | Boy #parrot channel on this server is 4 ppl in it? lol... |
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| 16:09.25 | petn-randall | belatrix: Well, read the factoid again. It's not on this server. |
| 16:09.29 | greycat | Read the factoi... that. |
| 16:09.30 | petn-randall | *network |
| 16:09.54 | belatrix | Yes of course |
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| 16:12.40 | belatrix | So debian is simply for the pentesting side ... Any general ideas in terms of a stable very secure debian distro for a rusty developer, |
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| 16:13.31 | bites | debian! :P |
| 16:13.34 | PerfDave | Debian? |
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| 16:14.09 | belatrix | Yah Im greedy I want the best of both worlds ... Possibly to easy. |
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| 16:14.36 | belatrix | I am naive no doubt. So just straight up debian. Okay ... |
| 16:14.39 | annadane | in terms of "stable" you can't get much better than debian... |
| 16:14.50 | PerfDave | This is #debian, we're probably going to recommend Debian ;) |
| 16:14.57 | hyperlumic | belatrix: What world are you missing with Debian, exactly? |
| 16:15.03 | belatrix | yes of course... heh |
| 16:15.33 | PerfDave | FWIW, when I worked in infosec I used Kali as my main desktop. |
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| 16:16.06 | annadane | and you work in infosec and weren't trying to be "elite hacker" |
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| 16:16.50 | belatrix | Yes, many do this... I really enjoy the beauty of Parrot, default features, buy I guess arch may be what im really looking for. |
| 16:17.26 | belatrix | Thanks PerfDave |
| 16:17.37 | hyperlumic | Still have no idea what you're looking for. |
| 16:17.39 | hyperlumic | shrugs. |
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| 16:18.47 | belatrix | Well, i'm looking for the tools of a kali linux, with a very stable kernal, community, that is also geared towards programming in general. |
| 16:19.08 | PerfDave | Most of the things in Kali are also packaged in Debian? |
| 16:19.11 | hyperlumic | Kali isn't geared towards programming. It's geared towards penetration testing and security assessments. |
| 16:19.26 | belatrix | Yes hyper... |
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| 16:19.56 | jelly | PerfDave: they have a ton more sec-specific packages on top of debian's set |
| 16:19.58 | greycat | wonders what "geared toward programming" means |
| 16:20.04 | hyperlumic | greycat: No idea. |
| 16:20.12 | belatrix | That is why I'm here tinkering around with parrot ... but geez frozenbox, and parrot community is not as big, and info on it hard to find. |
| 16:20.53 | annadane | in fairness i shouldn't be so dismissive to kali/parrot, it's just that the vast majority of people don't know what they're doing |
| 16:20.58 | belatrix | The updates etc.. Is buggy just like you said, and a pain in the ass. |
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| 16:21.02 | petn-randall | belatrix: frozenbox is just the IRC network it's hosted on, it has nothing in common with the parrot community. |
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| 16:21.26 | hyperlumic | annadane: Kali, Parrot, et al., are quite powerful tools. I use them frequently, but not as my main workstation. |
| 16:21.37 | bites | i also have no idea what i'm doing half of the time. learning by doing and all that. |
| 16:21.55 | belatrix | Anndane, you are absolutely correct. However, you do have to step into the waters in order to learn how to swim. |
| 16:22.16 | petn-randall | belatrix: Well, you *can* jump into the deep end first, but ... |
| 16:22.23 | PerfDave | annadane: The vast majority of Debian users don't know what they're doing. Also Windows users. And any other thing that has users ;) |
| 16:22.29 | hyperlumic | belatrix: Running Kali, Parrot, et al., aren't doing that for you. The tools that Kali includes are available for $pickaDistro. |
| 16:22.32 | belatrix | This is not first, believe me. |
| 16:22.49 | annadane | well, whatever. i'll exercise my right to display humility and not speak if i have nothing constructive to add |
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| 16:23.33 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 16:23.35 | belatrix | No, I appreciate you and your advice, even if they are leaning towards the negative. |
| 16:23.39 | annadane | belatrix, btw you can use tab autocompletion for irc names |
| 16:24.00 | johnfg | yesterday with the help of folks here i solved one problem with php5/cron. |
| 16:24.38 | MoonManT | what program should i use to check for open/listening ports on my local computer? has netstat and nettools been replaced by something newer? |
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| 16:24.55 | hyperlumic | MoonManT: Yes, check 'man ss', |
| 16:24.56 | jelly | MoonManT: ss instead of netstat |
| 16:25.30 | MoonManT | hyperlumic: and jelly thank you |
| 16:25.30 | jelly | (you can still install net-tools, they're just not present by default) |
| 16:25.31 | belatrix | So annadane, in your opinion going with your viewpoint, please throw in there whatever it is you think is potentially sound advice. I wont take it personal, and thank you for your input. |
| 16:25.46 | MoonManT | i did google it first but i guess im dumb |
| 16:26.02 | hyperlumic | MoonManT: I wouldn't go the net-tools route. It was deprecated YEARS ago. |
| 16:26.30 | MoonManT | hyperlumic: thanks, i agreee i just spent the last week learning the ip command and systemd |
| 16:26.33 | jelly | MoonManT: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 |
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| 16:27.07 | belatrix | MoonMant I'm constantly going back to the 400 page Linux book I love. |
| 16:27.29 | MoonManT | belatrix: which book? |
| 16:27.51 | MoonManT | jelly: thanks i will give htis a read |
| 16:27.54 | belatrix | O hell I have to many... |
| 16:27.54 | PerfDave | Free Software, Free Society by Richard M Stallman |
| 16:28.16 | annadane | i find that book is excessively wordy as it's a collection of a large overlap of disparate essays |
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| 16:28.50 | belatrix | Linux a practical guide. . . pretty simple, PerfDave, I would agree with you on that with many books. |
| 16:28.57 | johnfg | Since the update of jessie->stretch, another strange thing has happened. |
| 16:29.07 | jelly | wonders whether PerfDave can sing about joining us now and sharing the software |
| 16:29.19 | PerfDave | jelly: I can in fact do that |
| 16:29.29 | PerfDave | is not allowed to sing IRL at LUG meetings :( |
| 16:29.31 | belatrix | Excuse me I meant Annadane... |
| 16:29.46 | PerfDave | thinkl33t tells me off |
| 16:29.46 | annadane | OpenBSD has a song. GNU has a song. if debian doesn't get at least one song i am leaving |
| 16:29.57 | PerfDave | I used to work for IBM, we have a songbook ;) |
| 16:30.03 | jelly | aww |
| 16:30.06 | MoonManT | annadane: lol i agree, maybe live to win? or danger zone |
| 16:30.18 | johnfg | An old (like well over a year, maybe more than 2!) email, to a defunct computer on our network, is showing up as undeliverable, in a cron message. |
| 16:30.23 | annadane | maybe we can get lamb to perform something |
| 16:30.23 | belatrix | Please start singing. |
| 16:30.39 | MoonManT | south park live to win: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAxZVZgpmI0 |
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| 16:31.30 | jelly | johnfg: and the same message repeats? Can you pastebin the headers and body? |
| 16:31.35 | johnfg | how can I get rid of the email. |
| 16:31.40 | johnfg | jelly: Yup, for sure. |
| 16:31.59 | jelly | and I mean full headers |
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| 16:33.26 | annadane | (don't get me wrong, it's a good book) |
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| 16:33.34 | annadane | important to read for those unaware of foss culture |
| 16:33.42 | jelly | johnfg: you'll have to figure out where it's coming from and which cronjob/which software is responsible for generating it |
| 16:34.00 | belatrix | Anyone in the Debian community have an opinion on Verge Coin, scam or not? I know it's off topic, just curious. |
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| 16:34.16 | PerfDave | If it's cryptocurrency, it's a scam ;) |
| 16:34.39 | belatrix | Geez, that bad huh? |
| 16:35.57 | hyperlumic | At this point, yes. |
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| 16:36.32 | jelly | when the vast majority of new coins or ICO are scam, it's a safe bet |
| 16:36.40 | belatrix | Hmmm... why so if you don't me asking for your opinion... |
| 16:36.42 | annadane | the basic issue is that you put a lot of trust in something without understanding how it works |
| 16:37.03 | annadane | and i think we're all guilty of that at one point or another |
| 16:37.14 | bites | with john mcafee involved, yes, lol. |
| 16:37.16 | belatrix | Nailed it annadane -) |
| 16:37.24 | annadane | r/bitcoin really is excessively optimistic |
| 16:37.45 | belatrix | Gosh, I've done really well in this piece of crap, but the 17th is tomorrow, and I'm indecisive. |
| 16:37.47 | hyperlumic | Shocking. |
| 16:37.56 | jelly | in any case, questions like that are better asked in #debian-offtopic |
| 16:38.19 | jelly | questions like what? not-debian-tech-support related |
| 16:38.55 | belatrix | Ya your right Jelly, excuse me for going off topics, I just wanted to hear any opinions. Apologies. |
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| 16:39.45 | belatrix | haha hyperlumic, thanks for the encouragement. |
| 16:40.05 | hyperlumic | That's what I do. |
| 16:40.15 | belatrix | Your spot on, though lol. |
| 16:40.29 | belatrix | greeeeeed, somebody shoot me. pls! |
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| 16:40.43 | bites | pang! |
| 16:40.50 | belatrix | -) |
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| 17:13.13 | apathor | hi. i'm installing a package that uses DKMS for a kernel module and it fails because kernel sources are not available. is there a standard package name for the current kernel's sources? |
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| 17:13.48 | apathor | or am i better off installing linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
| 17:13.58 | greycat | you only need the headers, not the full source |
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| 17:14.43 | apathor | oh hi greycat. right, just headers. is there a meta-package for the current kernel's headers? |
| 17:14.53 | greycat | what you guessed is what most people use |
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| 17:48.35 | belatrix | hYPERLUMIC? |
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| 17:55.08 | OS-27110 | Question: passwd -l username add's a ! infront of the hashed password in /etc/shadow. usermod -L username likewise. adduser --system adds in a * |
| 17:55.33 | OS-27110 | is this all just cosmetic and i could iput anything in there as the hash won |
| 17:55.45 | greycat | If the hash is "x" then shadow is consulted. |
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| 17:55.59 | greycat | ( says passwd(5) ) |
| 17:57.04 | OS-27110 | elaborate please |
| 17:57.54 | greycat | Oh, did you mean that adduser --system puts the * in shadow(5), not in passwd(5)? |
| 17:58.03 | OS-27110 | yes correct |
| 17:58.14 | greycat | I'm too used to older systems where some of the entries in /etc/passwd have * and some have x. |
| 17:58.16 | OS-27110 | does it matter what goes in there? |
| 17:58.28 | greycat | Read passwd(5) and shadow(5) for details. |
| 17:58.39 | OS-27110 | i did read both |
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| 17:59.10 | OS-27110 | as far as i can see they all do the same thing |
| 17:59.16 | OS-27110 | one other thing |
| 17:59.28 | greycat | Second paragraph under "encrypted password" in shadow(5). |
| 18:00.08 | greycat | And then the 4th paragraph where it spells out "exclamation mark" instead of ! just to make it harder to skim the content. |
| 18:00.09 | OS-27110 | ok |
| 18:00.54 | OS-27110 | ok i see that and get it |
| 18:00.58 | OS-27110 | another question |
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| 18:02.54 | OS-27110 | which linux is best :) |
| 18:03.00 | nmschulte | GNU/Linux? |
| 18:03.06 | OS-27110 | i'm joking ofcourse :) |
| 18:03.26 | OS-27110 | GNU indeed |
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| 18:05.19 | petn-randall | OS-27110: Are you using Parrot or Kali? |
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| 18:06.57 | OS-27110 | im using debian and kali |
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| 18:09.06 | OS-27110 | atm i have only debian running |
| 18:09.40 | OS-27110 | greycat, thanks for the assistance |
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| 18:18.05 | jimm | ,v net-tools |
| 18:18.06 | judd | Package: net-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.60-24.2; jessie: 1.60-26+b1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; buster: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-2; sid: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-2 |
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| 18:27.01 | belatrix | hyper |
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| 18:29.24 | annadane | belatrix, if you have a question just ask the rest of us instead of one specific person |
| 18:29.38 | annadane | also, i told you about tab completion |
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| 18:37.14 | belatrix | annadane when I have something to ask you I will. I appreciate it. |
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| 18:44.46 | W4RH4WK | hey there, is it normal that I do not get an IPv4 when I plugin a network cabel? (fresh installation, no network manager, interface is allow-hotplug) |
| 18:45.23 | petemc | W4RH4WK: is the interface configured to use dhcp ? |
| 18:45.29 | W4RH4WK | yes |
| 18:45.42 | W4RH4WK | it works fine when i power on the machine and the cabel is connect |
| 18:46.24 | petn-randall | W4RH4WK: Read 'man interfaces' about that option, I think you're not understanding that option right. |
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| 18:46.35 | W4RH4WK | but when now cabel is connected, i boot the machine and then plugin a cabel i immediatly get 2 IPv6 but no IPv4 |
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| 18:47.14 | W4RH4WK | after about 6-7 minutes or so, I get one. I don't know what causes that time window |
| 18:47.51 | petn-randall | "allow-hotplug" doesn't care about any network cable being plugged. |
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| 18:52.04 | W4RH4WK | petn-randall: yes, thanks for pointing that out. I don't think the allow-hotplug option matters in this case. I just don't understand why it takes 5+ minutes to get an IP |
| 18:53.06 | areyouloco | hi are there any sed masters? I want to edit one config file automatically like in a following example: |
| 18:53.06 | areyouloco | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1020633 please help |
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| 18:55.00 | W4RH4WK | areyouloco: have you tried sed 's/#_COLOR="false"/_COLOR="true"/' |
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| 18:56.12 | areyouloco | W4RH4WK: thanks! it will replace the whole line as a string. I need to go deeper into man sed one day |
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| 18:58.22 | W4RH4WK | regarding my network issue, could it be that dhclient periodically checks the interface (every 5 minutes or so) and issues a DHCP request when it notices that there is no ip? |
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| 21:08.34 | disi | im unable to change my passphrase or update the expiration of my pgp key using gpa on debian... anyone else hit this? |
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| 21:10.39 | hays_ | I am getting: curl: (51) SSL: no alternative certificate subject name matches target host name 'capitol.fun' |
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| 21:10.52 | hays_ | from the same machine that is hosting capitol.fun |
| 21:11.01 | hays_ | is this something wrong with curl? running Deb 9 |
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| 21:11.28 | hays_ | I can curl from other places. and oddly enough I can curl my other hosts just fine and they are all using certbot certificates and all don't seem to have any problems |
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| 21:15.14 | greycat | ... but true wisdom is learning that you don't want to call sed to "edit" files at all. Use a configuration management system. |
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| 21:17.16 | hays_ | hmm this is really weird. when I look at curl verbose output, its pulling the wrong certificate |
| 21:17.26 | hays_ | but its definitely right in the nginx config |
| 21:21.34 | disi | ugh gpg is a headache |
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| 22:06.51 | joepublic | What's the deal with #debian-next? |
| 22:07.20 | bites | not on this network |
| 22:07.23 | bites | !debian-next |
| 22:07.24 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:08.36 | joepublic | respectfully, such a channel exists on this network, even should it not be blessed as official. It seems to be officially owned, in fact, as it redirected me to here from there. |
| 22:09.17 | nmschulte | joepublic: the topic states #debian-next infos. |
| 22:09.26 | nmschulte | #debian @ freenode is the oddball, really. |
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| 22:19.05 | morning-inst | hi everyone, I'm trying to install debian-testing booting the .iso from grub2. I get an installer error saying "no kernel modules found" https://imgur.com/a/SAjqH |
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| 22:19.40 | annadane | !testing installer |
| 22:19.40 | Zauberfisch_ | Hello World '!testing installer' |
| 22:19.40 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:19.55 | annadane | that said, someone may be able to answer the question |
| 22:20.00 | agabriel | !testing installer |
| 22:20.01 | Zauberfisch_ | Hello World '!testing installer' |
| 22:20.01 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:20.22 | bites | Zauberfisch_: bad bot! |
| 22:20.32 | annadane | yeah please don't put that in #debian |
| 22:20.38 | annadane | that gets annoying real fast |
| 22:21.15 | joepublic | Basically, install debian stable (currently stretch 9), update /etc/apt/sources.list to testing sources, then sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade |
| 22:21.32 | morning-inst | oh! okay |
| 22:22.03 | morning-inst | there's no way to find the matching kernel then (between installer and iso image) |
| 22:22.36 | joepublic | as I understand it, that's a great question for the folks in #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:24.02 | nmschulte | morning-inst: where'd you get your Debian testing installer? |
| 22:24.09 | annadane | morning-inst, what do you mean matching kernel? |
| 22:24.10 | morning-inst | thank you for helping guys :) |
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| 22:25.03 | nmschulte | morning-inst: it may help you to know that the ISOs (even for the alpha/beta installer images) are suitable for copying to a USB device, possibly allowing you to avoid any GRUB2/ISO boot related issues. |
| 22:25.35 | nmschulte | it looks like you're well beyond that though, and possibly using a broken installer or other |
| 22:26.08 | morning-inst | annadane: since the installer error says "there's probably a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available inthe archive" I though it means a difference between the hd-media/vmlinuz and the one in the .iso image |
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| 22:27.16 | annadane | that's weird |
| 22:27.35 | nmschulte | morning-inst: isn't the hd-media/vmlinuz and the .iso bit the same thing? the .iso contains the hd-media/vmlinuz? |
| 22:28.01 | morning-inst | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 22:28.04 | morning-inst | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:28.26 | morning-inst | different build dates at least |
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| 22:28.47 | nmschulte | also, it just says no modules found, _likely_ due to v mismatch |
| 22:28.57 | nmschulte | it could be it just totally didn't find your .iso provided kernel modules |
| 22:29.26 | nmschulte | but this is over my head and I don't want to spread misinformation -- good luck! |
| 22:29.50 | morning-inst | "I'd rather try the stable install && update source.list to testing" solution first |
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| 22:30.22 | morning-inst | thank you for the help :D |
| 22:30.45 | joepublic | May you have much success. |
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| 22:48.18 | syntaxman | I'm having a problem with aptitude. It says "no changes" when I have defiinitely requested changes. I've found that it's a problem with the resolver, but... |
| 22:48.50 | syntaxman | When I go into the resolver menu, they are all black... no resolver actions are available from the keyboard or menu. |
| 22:49.30 | syntaxman | I only have a terminal available, so switching to synaptic, or other, won't work. |
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| 22:50.16 | nmschulte | syntaxman: when does it say "no changes"? |
| 22:50.22 | nmschulte | how are you requesting changes? |
| 22:50.43 | nmschulte | I use aptitude (interactive and non) CLI all the time. |
| 22:50.59 | syntaxman | I selected and unselected a number of entries, and pressed "g".. don e it hundreds of times |
| 22:51.12 | syntaxman | I used it interactively. |
| 22:51.25 | nmschulte | lowercase u to update, captial U to upgrade all under cursor, + / - / _ to install, remove, purge. |
| 22:51.32 | syntaxman | Right |
| 22:51.45 | nmschulte | CTRL+T -> f to clear pending |
| 22:52.07 | nmschulte | after requesting upgrade, the resolver should run and any conflicts will show up in a red line |
| 22:52.34 | nmschulte | CTRL+t -> e, excuse me. |
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| 22:53.42 | syntaxman | All it says is "Actions: no changes" No resolver action keys or menu entries work. And that is really my problem. |
| 22:55.00 | syntaxman | The "no changes" issue is being discussed on bugs.debian.org, but nothing about the resolver not being available. |
| 22:55.26 | nmschulte | can you send a photo of what you see? |
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| 22:55.57 | nmschulte | I'm used to aptitude on Debian Sid, and I can't get it to show "Actions: no changes" anywhere. |
| 22:57.07 | ikus060 | Hello, is it possible to use network-manager to control only the VPN ? We have a server here full a home made script for VPN. Want to replace all of it with network-manager. But at the same time, I don't want to mess up with the /etc/network/interfaces. It's configure with bond0 and everything. So basically, I want to use network-manager only to manage the VPN connections. |
| 22:58.06 | nmschulte | ikus060: it's possible, but the default install of NetworkManager will take over all of those things for you. It may be a simple one-checkbox/button configuration to put it back, though. |
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| 23:02.35 | awal1 | How 'seccomp sandboxing' works exactly in apt context? |
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| 23:07.28 | themill | awal1: you might need to be more specific, unless the answer you wanted was "see seccomp(2)" |
| 23:09.39 | awal1 | themill, just trying to understand apt changelog (* Turn off seccomp sandboxing by default (LP: #1732030) (Closes: #890489)) |
| 23:09.40 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/890489 in apt (closed, patch): «apt: seccomp sandbox fails on x32»; severity: important; opened: 2018-02-15; last modified: 2018-04-15. |
| 23:10.54 | awal1 | I guess I understand what 'seccomp' means (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seccomp) but not sure how it works exactly regarding apt |
| 23:12.05 | themill | it doesn't which is why it's turned off? |
| 23:13.29 | awal1 | themill, turned off by default now yeah bcoz it looks like it doesn't work. my idea was to understand the goal of "it works" |
| 23:14.24 | awal1 | of if it work |
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| 23:14.57 | themill | the goal was to restrict what _apt could do while downloading |
| 23:14.59 | awal1 | why "they" have tried to implemente it, almost |
| 23:16.31 | awal1 | I thik I started to understand better now |
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| 23:17.27 | awal1 | interesting feature |
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| 23:20.23 | awal1 | incredible the risks and weakness of wi-fi technology |
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| 23:22.00 | ikus060 | nmschulte: Then ,the question is how ? |
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| 23:24.10 | syntaxman | nmschulte: I had to install scrot from apt-get, then when I re-started aptitude to take the screenshot, the resolver was back and functioning :-/ |
| 23:24.47 | syntaxman | I'd already restarted it several times with no joy. |
| 23:25.10 | syntaxman | Worst kind of bug |
| 23:26.08 | nmschulte | syntaxman: yeah, gross. :( |
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