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| 03:41.00 | bleb | im following this guide to get my apu2 set up as a router https://github.com/drduh/PC-Engines-Debian-Router-Guide |
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| 03:41.32 | bleb | i have a working wireless access point, which i can connect to |
| 03:41.43 | bleb | but when i am connected, i'm only able to ping the router |
| 03:41.54 | bleb | no traffic is forwarded to the outside |
| 03:42.11 | bleb | i did sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 03:42.22 | bleb | and i expected that this would allow packets to be forwarded |
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| 03:43.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 03:43.49 | bleb | if i connect to the wireless ap then ssh into the apu2, i can ping the outside world from there (since it is connected to my isp router) |
| 03:44.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | is /etc/hosts being managed by avahi or systemd now in strech? i am having issues where its reverting to an old version... |
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| 03:44.35 | bleb | but the apu2 is not working as a router, despite that sysctl command |
| 03:44.51 | bleb | can anyone suggest some diagnostics? or other stuff to try? |
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| 04:00.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm i figured it out |
| 04:00.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | i was cping over it rofl |
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| 04:00.29 | allizom | bleb: have you completed following the guide? do you need nat? |
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| 04:06.20 | bleb | allizom: that might be the issue... i thought my isp router might be doing the NAT but maybe it doesnt work that way |
| 04:06.33 | awal1 | 'connman' does a good job or...? |
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| 04:07.45 | allizom | bleb: what's your setup? |
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| 04:10.33 | bleb | allizom: pretty much exactly as the guide describes |
| 04:11.07 | bleb | dsl line -> isp router -> ethernet to apu2 |
| 04:14.48 | bleb | allizom: yeah i just needed to do the iptables step |
| 04:15.03 | bleb | i suspect you were right and NAT needed to be set up |
| 04:15.05 | allizom | you probably will want to set a pppoe connection to your ISP if you are planning to use the ISP-provided CPE as if it was a modem only - but anyway, if you are following that guide, you need masquerading before you can successfully connect to the outside |
| 04:15.06 | bleb | thanks |
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| 04:19.51 | bleb | i'm guessing this is what you mean by masquerading: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXT -j MASQUERADE |
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| 04:20.02 | bleb | that was indeed part of the step that got it working |
| 04:20.47 | bleb | how would i set up pppoe? i read that my particular isp gateway doesn't really have a "bridge" mode |
| 04:23.20 | allizom | while I couldn't help you setting the ppoe connection in practice on your system, it's usually (at least here with my ISP) possible to set up an additional pppoe connection which has the practical effect of not using the CPE as a router |
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| 04:27.39 | bleb | ok i'll have to ask them |
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| 04:28.42 | allizom | good luck with their support :P You can just try it out on your desktop too |
| 04:29.39 | allizom | what are you using on your desktop, NetworkManager? |
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| 05:40.45 | michael2 | hi all, is it possible to install firefox quantum on stretch ? e.g. from backports or some other way? |
| 05:44.57 | nkuttler | just.. download the binary? |
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| 05:45.39 | nkuttler | ,v firefox |
| 05:45.40 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 59.0.2-1 |
| 05:45.50 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport firefox |
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| 05:45.53 | judd | Backporting package firefox in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libnspr4-dev (>= 2:4.18~), libnss3-dev (>= 2:3.35~), libsqlite3-dev (>= 3.21.0), libhunspell-dev (>= 1.5), rustc (>= 1.22.1), cargo (>= 0.23), llvm-4.0-dev, libclang-4.0-dev, clang-4.0. |
| 05:46.03 | nkuttler | yup. download is what i do.. |
| 05:47.02 | themill | it's like to end up in stretch as soon as the next firefox security update appears but as you can see, that's hard work for everyone involved |
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| 05:48.36 | michael2 | nkuttler: when yo say "download binary" do you mean a monolithic package that would go somewhere like /opt/firefox? or do you mean something else? |
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| 05:49.00 | nkuttler | michael2: i put it in ~/local, but yes |
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| 05:49.40 | michael2 | so like a tarball? would that mean I need to resolve dependencies? |
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| 06:10.06 | themill | michael2: it should be big hairball with all of its dependencies bundled |
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| 06:15.58 | michael2 | themill: ok thanks I'm trying a download from the firefox website now |
| 06:17.41 | michael2 | it didn't give me a list of downloads download just started. probably just matched my user-agent string to my OS, CPU architecture etc. I guess... |
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| 06:27.59 | michael2 | cool. its installed ! version 59 - I guess I should expect it too be even less stable than the version in sid? and it hasn't been "debianised" ? |
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| 09:00.23 | MrSlaughter1775 | Any recommendations for a lightweight volume manager? I have "amixer" but I need to either figure out how to map it to go up or down each time I hit my volume keys, or find another application. |
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| 09:07.47 | at0m | MrSlaughter1775: volumeicon-alsa |
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| 09:08.11 | MrSlaughter1775 | at0m, Thanks, I'll give it a looky! |
| 09:08.12 | at0m | Installed-Size: 227 kB |
| 09:08.53 | MrSlaughter1775 | I have a terrbyte to work with, but I like to be somewhat of a minimalist. |
| 09:08.57 | MrSlaughter1775 | tera* |
| 09:09.05 | at0m | to map your keys, you can look for your desktop manager's way to execute commands for keybindings |
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| 09:11.42 | at0m | for example you could map keys to "amixer set Master 10%+" and "amixer set Master 10%-" |
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| 09:13.01 | at0m | or with pulseaudio, "pactl set-sink-volume 0 +10%" etc |
| 09:13.09 | MrSlaughter1775 | Yeah, that is more of what I was aiming for |
| 09:14.03 | MrSlaughter1775 | Because I technically already have a volume manager. All I need to do is figure out what file I need to change to map those keys. |
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| 09:14.56 | at0m | what desktop manager do you use? |
| 09:15.00 | at0m | xfce? |
| 09:15.07 | MrSlaughter1775 | Correct |
| 09:16.09 | at0m | could be ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml from what i searched quick |
| 09:16.58 | MrSlaughter1775 | What does "~" mean in the prompt? |
| 09:17.08 | p0g0_ | your home directory |
| 09:17.11 | MrSlaughter1775 | Ah |
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| 09:19.28 | at0m | MrSlaughter1775: try "cd /" then "cd ~" and, while you're at it "cd -". in time, you'll learn :) |
| 09:19.52 | MrSlaughter1775 | Well I already know that "/" is your root directory |
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| 09:20.12 | MrSlaughter1775 | I have no clue what "-" is, but I'll give her a shot after I edit this config file |
| 09:20.19 | at0m | bash prompt will change accordingly: ~ for your home dir, - takes you back to previous |
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| 09:22.39 | cluelessperson | So, for some reason at install time over USB, debian detects the network hardware completely differently each time |
| 09:23.06 | cluelessperson | eno1, rename2,3,5 eno1, eno2, rename3, rename4 |
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| 09:39.35 | cluelessperson | anyone here? |
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| 09:42.36 | p0g0_ | The channel reports 1540 entities here. |
| 09:42.50 | MrSlaughter1775 | Yes sir. |
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| 09:44.00 | MrSlaughter1775 | Sometimes you may have to wait patiently for someone to help you. Many people here are afk, at work, don't know how to fix your issue, or don't want to waste their time. |
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| 09:44.26 | MrSlaughter1775 | Let me see if I can look into that for you though. I'm new to debian, but I'll try my best. |
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| 09:54.13 | MrSlaughter1775 | at0m, Is a restart required after changing that config file? I'm trying to figure out if I changed the wrong lines. |
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| 09:55.09 | cluelessperson | sigh, I can't install grub to this NVME |
| 09:55.30 | MrSlaughter1775 | NVME? |
| 09:56.39 | cluelessperson | NVME SSD |
| 09:56.54 | cluelessperson | doing some testing now |
| 09:56.58 | cluelessperson | trying different debconfs |
| 09:57.36 | MrSlaughter1775 | Ah |
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| 09:58.22 | p0g0_ | cluelessperson: what error do you get, and what command syntax do you use to install grub? |
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| 09:59.34 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: There is no error, and I'm using debian's installer from the iso |
| 09:59.54 | cluelessperson | the server, "Insert Boot Media in selected boot device and press a key" |
| 09:59.54 | cluelessperson | hm |
| 10:00.07 | at0m | MrSlaughter1775: xfce settings > settings manager > keyboard > application shortcuts. probably edits the same keysfile.. i'm not familiar with xfce, for specifics there's probably #xfce |
| 10:00.10 | p0g0_ | well, there is an error, or you'd have succeeded in the install. |
| 10:00.20 | MrSlaughter1775 | at0m, That's what I ended up finding. |
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| 10:00.32 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: it doesn't error if grub errornously installs to the wrong media, like I've known it to do in the past |
| 10:00.42 | MrSlaughter1775 | Now I'm just gonna open the file and track where those commands landed. |
| 10:00.49 | p0g0_ | sure, you offered the wrong target. |
| 10:01.09 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: No, there is no choice for target |
| 10:01.11 | cluelessperson | that's the problem |
| 10:01.26 | p0g0_ | cluelessperson: I expect you were offered a dialog that suggested you could install grub on all drives? |
| 10:01.41 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: There was no dialog |
| 10:02.09 | p0g0_ | The install ISO will also let you enter 'rescue mode', and that includes a grub install/reinstall step. |
| 10:02.33 | cluelessperson | I'm looking around, but it's unclear what's happening |
| 10:02.59 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: If I select the NVME from bios to boot to, it boots, but it's like it doesn't know where the media is |
| 10:03.01 | p0g0_ | cluelessperson: did the rest of the install appear to work? |
| 10:03.04 | cluelessperson | yes |
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| 10:03.14 | at0m | MrSlaughter1775: for example i'm not sure of the format of that file. there's xmodmap, with ~/.Xmodmap having entrees like "keycode 160 = XF86AudioMute". the keycodes can be found using "xev" |
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| 10:03.39 | at0m | so xev may come in handy, i don't know |
| 10:04.06 | cluelessperson | this may be some uefi bios setting or something |
| 10:04.10 | MrSlaughter1775 | That was the correct file, but I didn't use the proper formatting/syntax or what have you. |
| 10:04.10 | p0g0_ | cluelessperson: 'if I... it boots, but' ... you mean it appears to select the SSD as the boot drive, but fails to boot from it? |
| 10:04.11 | cluelessperson | these menus are stupid lel |
| 10:04.28 | at0m | xev is also convenient to find out about your multi-button mouse etc |
| 10:04.33 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: If I go to the boot menu and manually select the NVME, it boots fine. |
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| 10:06.05 | cluelessperson | oh wait, I've been describing this wrong, it's not NVME here, just SSD |
| 10:06.06 | p0g0_ | cluelessperson: that sounds like you have a mis-assigned grub drive. If the SSD is the primary drive in your BIOS (the one to boot from), and it has all the OS on it, I think you can reboot from the ISO, choose 'Rescue' and there re-install Grub. |
| 10:06.29 | p0g0_ | You should read up on the rescue mode tho |
| 10:06.41 | p0g0_ | It is well documented on the Debian site. |
| 10:06.43 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: What do you mean "mis-assigned grub drive" |
| 10:06.57 | p0g0_ | I mean that grub got installed to the wrong drive... |
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| 10:07.18 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: where it overwrites grub on USB? I think that's what I had in past |
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| 10:07.22 | cluelessperson | I'm in rescue mode now |
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| 10:07.31 | p0g0_ | It is trivial to fix, use the ISO and re-install grub (you might want to select the SSD as your boot drive in the BIOS first) |
| 10:07.33 | MrSlaughter1775 | Wow, I dug around in Hexchat a bit and realized that I can log conversations! That could be useful if I keep my box on and collect info to be referred to later. |
| 10:07.49 | MrSlaughter1775 | Didn't know that was a thing. |
| 10:07.57 | p0g0_ | the log files can get large... |
| 10:07.59 | MrSlaughter1775 | I'm such a newbie. :') |
| 10:08.05 | cluelessperson | MrSlaughter1775: IRC logging is a huge thing |
| 10:08.14 | cluelessperson | MrSlaughter1775: and there are better tools to do it |
| 10:08.15 | p0g0_ | Also some channels pretend that you cannot log them... |
| 10:08.36 | MrSlaughter1775 | "pretend that you cannot log them"..? |
| 10:08.53 | MrSlaughter1775 | cluelessperson, What do you use? |
| 10:09.05 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: the kicker is they don't want public logging. You can have your own logs, but don't share other people's private info |
| 10:09.13 | cluelessperson | MrSlaughter1775: ZNC relay |
| 10:09.36 | cluelessperson | MrSlaughter1775: ZNC logs into irc for me, logs all my channels on multiple networks, handles plugins, etc. Always logged in |
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| 10:09.58 | p0g0_ | Well, claiming privacy in a public forum seems a bit awkward. |
| 10:09.58 | MrSlaughter1775 | That doesn't make sense. If you shared the info on IRC then it is already public. |
| 10:10.00 | cluelessperson | MrSlaughter1775: Then, I connect to my ZNC INSTEAD of irc. I can have multiple computers to chat from connected at the same time. |
| 10:10.07 | MrSlaughter1775 | I understand I guess, but not really lol. |
| 10:10.20 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: The privacy is logging channels publicly. As in offering searchable logs to the public. |
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| 10:10.36 | at0m | hey folks, #debian-offtopic =) |
| 10:10.39 | cluelessperson | MrSlaughter1775: ZNC acts as a relay. It connects to IRC for you, always available. |
| 10:11.11 | cluelessperson | MrSlaughter1775: Then you connect to IRC, and you can see your logs, use multiple connections to your ZNC, have internal chats for companies, and more. |
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| 10:11.44 | MrSlaughter1775 | Seems legit, but perhaps too power user for me atm. |
| 10:11.59 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: So I goto "install grub loader on a hard disk", and it keeps going to the partioner |
| 10:12.06 | cluelessperson | the disks are already partioned |
| 10:12.06 | cluelessperson | wtf |
| 10:12.51 | cluelessperson | I think it configures the menu based grub installer based on your installation options |
| 10:13.02 | cluelessperson | goes into the grub command line |
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| 10:14.29 | p0g0_ | cluelessperson: accept the existing partitions, and do not format. You can also reinstall grub manually, if the rescue mode is too confusing. |
| 10:15.00 | cluelessperson | ooh, under "Rescue Mode" -> "Enter rescue mode?wtf" -> "Choose root system" -> "Start Grub installer for this disk" |
| 10:15.08 | p0g0_ | Don't re-enter the sequence that leads to the full 'install the OS', you already have all that/ |
| 10:15.12 | cluelessperson | That's a pretty convuluted message, but okay. |
| 10:15.55 | cluelessperson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:16.23 | cluelessperson | reboots |
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| 10:17.23 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: still not working |
| 10:17.56 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: another note, the boot device selection in bios doesn't show UEFI:SSD as an option, but UEFI:USB_INSTALLER is there |
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| 10:20.06 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: I'm going to try installing as legacy and not UEFI |
| 10:20.10 | cluelessperson | sounds stupid but meh |
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| 10:21.23 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: I mean, I think the bootloader is on there, because it wouldn't boot when I manually select that boot device, right? |
| 10:23.00 | cluelessperson | so, here are the options. |
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| 10:23.23 | p0g0_ | yes, there is a boot partition on the drive- your BIOS and some other drive are likely issues. Can you use the ISO to boot, and then enter the command mode to gain a console and invoke grub-install manually? |
| 10:23.33 | cluelessperson | Boot -> Set Boot Priority. "Hard Disk Drive BBS priorities" "USB Hard disk drive bbs priorities" "network devices bbs priorities" "uefi boot drive bbs priorities" |
| 10:23.51 | cluelessperson | the last "uefi boot drive bbs priorities" even says "debian" but, debian USB or the new debian install? |
| 10:24.34 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: Yes, but what would that achieve? grub install just installs a disk bootable. I can tell the disks are bootable if I manually select them |
| 10:24.43 | cluelessperson | but the bios doesn't seem to automatically boot it |
| 10:25.09 | p0g0_ | What other bootable devices are there on the box? |
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| 10:25.44 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: only the SSD and the USB drive I install from |
| 10:26.04 | cluelessperson | checks for new mobo firmware |
| 10:26.33 | p0g0_ | cluelessperson: when you remove the USB and reboot, it just hangs? |
| 10:27.03 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: depends on the boot device selection, but it seems to ignore the ssd, so yes |
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| 10:27.23 | cluelessperson | (also to note, I'm overwriting a previous debian installation that definitely did boot off the SSD) |
| 10:27.45 | cluelessperson | if messing with bios boot options doesn't work, I'm going to try installing debian as LEGACY and NOT UEFI. |
| 10:27.47 | p0g0_ | cluelessperson: if you can, remove the USB, & coerce the BIOS into booting from the SSD. |
| 10:28.14 | cluelessperson | oh hey, it just booted it automatically |
| 10:28.21 | cluelessperson | out of order of boot devices, but I think I got that |
| 10:28.23 | p0g0_ | ... |
| 10:28.33 | p0g0_ | fixed then? |
| 10:28.33 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: it's sincerely being weird. |
| 10:28.37 | p0g0_ | yes |
| 10:28.47 | p0g0_ | be glad it isn't LILO... |
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| 10:28.56 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: I mean, it's garbage, but if it works lel |
| 10:28.59 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: LILO ? |
| 10:29.17 | p0g0_ | The boot loader that preceded grub |
| 10:29.30 | cluelessperson | thought that was syslinux or something |
| 10:29.34 | p0g0_ | Lilo could do some really horrid things. |
| 10:30.19 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: So yeah, the confusing stuff is awihle back, grub didn't support NVME/SSDs, or installing from USB caused GRUB to glitch, and it'd only automatically install grub bootloader to the USB drive again |
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| 10:30.23 | cluelessperson | wtf! |
| 10:30.29 | cluelessperson | no media cable |
| 10:30.53 | p0g0_ | It thinks your GUI is messed up? |
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| 10:31.16 | cluelessperson | so, the boot order was, "EFI console" "HARD DRIVE: PS0" it booted EFI console, and I typed "exit" then it booted into debian automaticlaly |
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| 10:31.32 | cluelessperson | SO, I edited the boot order, removed EFI, only hard drive now, and it doesn't boot |
| 10:31.34 | cluelessperson | ahhhhhhh |
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| 10:32.38 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: also note, this installation was perfectly smooth on the other server I have to an NVME |
| 10:32.44 | cluelessperson | I think this server bios is just, stupid |
| 10:32.56 | p0g0_ | yes, that may be the case. |
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| 10:33.52 | p0g0_ | cluelessperson: gl, I'm gone... |
| 10:34.07 | cluelessperson | p0g0_: thanks for the rubber ducking. :) |
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| 10:54.31 | michael2 | I've just installed latest firefox version 59 direct from the firefox website. should expect it to be less stable than the version in sid? since it hasn't had any debian specific testing? (unless the updstream firefox project did debian related testing) |
| 10:57.22 | jelly | michael2: we do not know whether mozilla does any "debian specific testing" or not. Maybe they do. |
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| 11:10.45 | Meteor0ID | hi, I want to update my webserver from debian 8 to debian 9 to be future proof. How do I get started to mimimize risk of breaking things? I noticed /etc/apt/sources.list only has lines with jessie in it, do I need to manually change those? |
| 11:11.18 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 11:11.48 | babilen | Also make sure you have configuration for new daemon versions ready if you need it |
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| 12:08.52 | dutchfish | Meteoroid, and ensure you have proper backups, before you start. |
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| 12:11.35 | Meteoroid | seems something went wrong with my chat client, I only got the last sentence dutchfish send |
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| 12:30.52 | hicks_ | Meteoroid: did you get the link babilen pasted before dutchfish? |
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| 12:32.29 | tsuyubo | hello, i have compiled custom linux kernel with make deb-pkg,and if i modify the source file of kernel and want to confirm it right faster, |
| 12:32.56 | Meteoroid | ah yes have started going through that page, got it hicks |
| 12:33.21 | hicks_ | ok, just checking you didn't miss it as you mentioned irc client issues. Seems you got it all though :) |
| 12:33.27 | tsuyubo | Is it right way to me renew use command make deb-pkpg |
| 12:34.37 | tsuyubo | In my view, deb-pkg will recompile whole kernel, |
| 12:35.03 | tsuyubo | It casts too many time |
| 12:36.14 | tsuyubo | Any suggestions is welcome :) |
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| 12:40.11 | cluelessperson | UGH |
| 12:40.19 | cluelessperson | cat proc/cmdline |
| 12:40.32 | cluelessperson | BOOT_IMAGE=stuff root=/dev/sdb2 ro quiet |
| 12:40.36 | MACscr | im watching a debian 8.9 pxe install over ip kvm and its failing with "Unable to install grub in /dev/sda". I have the partitioning setup to install to /dev/md0 with lvm, which it seems to do fine |
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| 12:40.44 | cluelessperson | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.50 | MACscr | any ideas on what i can do to resolve this? |
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| 12:41.51 | cluelessperson | I'm having issues with grub too |
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| 12:55.30 | Omega | Hi, the raspberry pi 3 b+ (1,4 ghz, version) need a fan with raspbian ? |
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| 12:57.44 | cluelessperson | Omega: maybe under heavy load |
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| 12:58.48 | tvm | Omega, we're putting some heavy load on these constantly without any fans |
| 12:59.09 | Omega | hi, the raspberry pi 3 b+ has a thermal sensor shutdown ? |
| 12:59.54 | tvm | there's thermal CPU throttling |
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| 13:03.29 | Omega | If have a thermal shut-off sensor, is it possible that the raspberry pi 3 b + could burn due to overheating? |
| 13:04.38 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 13:04.38 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 13:04.57 | jelly | there's also a #raspberrypi channel for the hardware |
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| 13:05.54 | Omega | what raspberry pi 3 b+ is the best , the rasp from uk or the chinese ? |
| 13:05.56 | MACscr | ugh, im about 6 hours into trying to get this pxe install to work. only option when i have no cdrom and server is 7 hours away |
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| 13:16.59 | alkisg | MACscr: what problems are you having with pxe? |
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| 13:22.16 | MACscr | alkisg grub is failing to install. Everythign seems to install fine to the md0 with lvm setup, but then when it goes to install grub to /dev/sda, it fails |
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| 13:31.14 | jelly | MACscr: grub-pc (legacy/MBR boot, not UEFI)? Make sure there's enough unallocated space in front of the first partition. Do you have a separate partition for /boot? |
| 13:32.07 | jelly | 64 sectors or 2048 sectors (1MiB) should be ok |
| 13:34.24 | MACscr | jelly ah, that 1MB is needed for legacy/mbr? |
| 13:34.41 | MACscr | definitely no uefi here. older equipment |
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| 13:43.28 | MACscr | crap,does that mean i have to redo my mdadm raid0 as well because of how i might have partitioned the 4 drives? i think its just a single partition that takes up the whole space on each disk |
| 13:43.39 | MACscr | jelly alkisg ^ |
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| 13:45.02 | RoyK | MACscr: just don't use raid0 :þ |
| 13:45.15 | MACscr | RoyK sorry, typo, meant raid10 |
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| 13:46.57 | RoyK | MACscr: not sure if grub supports raid10, though |
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| 13:47.27 | RoyK | MACscr: however, you could setup a small 4-way raid-1 for /boot |
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| 13:48.05 | RoyK | MACscr: and then use the remaining space for your raid 1+0 |
| 13:48.14 | MACscr | this is what i have right now. screenshot of busybox while in the installer https://www.screencast.com/t/FM0NQg4c00 |
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| 13:52.34 | RoyK | if you don't have any data on it yet, better reinstall - start by dd'ing some megs from /dev/zero to the drives and create a 1GB partition on each and then another for the raid onto which lvm can reside - then just create a raid1 on the first two partitions (sd[ab]1?) and use that for /boot, then setup the raid for the rest (sd[abcd]2). Also, if you want to grow this in the future, and if IOPS isn't the most |
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| 13:52.40 | RoyK | important, better stick with raid5 or raid6 - raid6 will be safer than raid1+0, since you can lose any two of the four drives |
| 13:52.57 | RoyK | r6 will give you less IOPS, though - what rpm do these drives have? |
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| 13:54.49 | MACscr | just 7200 |
| 13:55.44 | RoyK | well, you hardly get more than 7k2 for those sizes - IIRC there are 10k drives at 1800GB or so now, but then, they cost about the same as SSDs |
| 13:56.13 | MACscr | oh, im just repurposing an old server of mine |
| 13:56.16 | RoyK | MACscr: what will you be using this for? VM storage? home storage? |
| 13:56.50 | MACscr | dont really have plans for the actual storage yet besides for the OS. its just going to be another compute mode in my proxmox cluster |
| 13:56.58 | MACscr | node* |
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| 13:57.09 | RoyK | ok, so probably not a lot of IOPS? |
| 13:58.15 | MACscr | correct. Ive been using raid10 for 10 years now though with good success |
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| 13:59.36 | MACscr | its not a big deal if i lose this node as all the vm storage is on a separate ceph cluster |
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| 14:00.08 | MACscr | i just figured i would maybe use this extra space for some additional backup storage or nfs mounts, etc |
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| 14:15.03 | kw0n | Hi, I made a pretty stupid error and was hoping someone could give me advise on how to fix it if possible. |
| 14:15.03 | kw0n | I used "gdisk /dev/sdX" on two harddisks - and was using it on the wrong computer. Yes I know... |
| 14:15.03 | kw0n | Well, the computer is still running, one of the disks I formated is the System disk with debian (encrypted). |
| 14:15.03 | kw0n | I'm currently saving everything not yet backed up, but I was hoping since right now the system is still running and both HDDs are still accessible that I can still do something to reverse the process before I reboot? The data should be safe, it's just a lot of work to reinstall everything... |
| 14:15.56 | hyperlumic | kw0n: If you can recreate the partitions with the same start and end points, you'll be fine. |
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| 14:16.05 | hyperlumic | kw0n: That doesn't mean "close." That means EXACTLY the same. |
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| 14:16.48 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Because those partitions were in use, you should be able to just go back into gdisk and commit the in-memory partition table to disk. I'd try that. |
| 14:19.22 | kw0n | hyperlumic: thanks, sounds good. Would you have a hint how to do that? Currently scrolling through the man page of gdisk and kind of worried to make it worse... :) |
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| 14:21.51 | squarecircle | ~ohai |
| 14:22.13 | squarecircle | I'm searching for a 32bit PowerPC Live/Installation image |
| 14:22.20 | squarecircle | where do I find some? |
| 14:22.52 | RoyK | MACscr: then I'd suggest r5 or r6 - r6 will give you the same amount of space, but with a slightly higher redundancy |
| 14:23.38 | RoyK | squarecircle: https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ - It first became an official "release architecture" with Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 ("potato") and had retained that status until the publication of Debian 9 ("stretch"). The last supported release for 32-bit PowerPC is Debian 8 ("jessie"). |
| 14:23.59 | RoyK | squarecircle: just curious - what sort of machine is this? |
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| 14:25.10 | squarecircle | Xilinx Virtex-II Pro |
| 14:25.19 | squarecircle | RoyK: PowerPC 400 Processor |
| 14:25.21 | squarecircle | :/ |
| 14:25.29 | [Ov-]wl | that's a field programmable gate array |
| 14:25.32 | [Ov-]wl | not a cpu |
| 14:25.35 | squarecircle | oh and an eMac needs to be bootet |
| 14:25.55 | squarecircle | [Ov-]wl: uhm, nope, there's an PowerPC onboard |
| 14:26.16 | [Ov-]wl | Xilinx is an FPGA |
| 14:26.46 | RoyK | seems google agrees with [Ov-]wl |
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| 14:27.06 | hyperlumic | kw0n: If you go into 'gdisk /dev/blah' does the partition table still look correct for the system, or does it reflect your incorrect changes? |
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| 14:27.30 | squarecircle | [Ov-]wl: I have a develompment board with a PowerPC processor and the FPGA |
| 14:27.32 | [Ov-]wl | squarecircle, it might be some chipset on the board, is there anything else on the board that looks like a cpu ? |
| 14:27.50 | RoyK | kw0n: start by backing up everything ;) |
| 14:28.03 | squarecircle | [Ov-]wl: yeah, an Xilinx FPGA with an PowerPC 400 integrated |
| 14:28.29 | [Ov-]wl | oh that's interesting, so they implemented a PPC 400 within the fpga |
| 14:28.31 | [Ov-]wl | okay |
| 14:28.51 | squarecircle | https://store.digilentinc.com/virtex-ii-pro-fpga-development-system-limited-time/ |
| 14:29.04 | squarecircle | yeah, sometimes I know, what I talk about |
| 14:29.05 | squarecircle | ^^ |
| 14:29.28 | kw0n | hyperlumic: I used first "o" and then "w", so created a new GPT and then wrote it to the partition. It seems that is also what gdisk shows me now. If I do /dev/sdX" and then "i" it says "no partitions" |
| 14:29.29 | squarecircle | ctrl-f: Features |
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| 14:29.50 | [Ov-]wl | ooh i used to like diligent hardware |
| 14:29.51 | kw0n | luckily enough one of the Disks is not impoirtant, so I can try twice before Gmea Over |
| 14:29.53 | [Ov-]wl | nice kit |
| 14:30.11 | RoyK | squarecircle: seems ubuntu still supports ppc32 - if you don't want to use jessie (which should work) |
| 14:30.18 | kw0n | RoyK: in progress. Funny enough, the whole point was to create a new backup... fuck murphy |
| 14:30.32 | RoyK | hehe |
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| 14:31.23 | [Ov-]wl | it's a pretty unusual bit of kit mind, i wouldn't hold your breath that it's going to be an easy setup under any linux |
| 14:31.42 | squarecircle | no, nobody expects this to be easy though |
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| 14:32.01 | [Ov-]wl | hehehe, that's the attitude i like :D |
| 14:32.02 | squarecircle | but putting some debian on it, then scanning for PCI devices |
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| 14:32.46 | [Ov-]wl | aye |
| 14:33.25 | squarecircle | so |
| 14:33.40 | squarecircle | thats why I ask, where I can find the image ^^ |
| 14:33.49 | squarecircle | I'm searching for it right now |
| 14:33.58 | kw0n | hyperlumic: I found the "r" command for recovery, so onve I found a way to backup the partitiontable in Ram it should be possible to use that. But I didn't find a way to get there yet |
| 14:34.17 | squarecircle | I don't mind if it is Jessie |
| 14:34.31 | kw0n | meaning to get to the point to save the partition table still in ram |
| 14:35.09 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Do you have the original gdisk output still in your terminal buffer? If so, you can just create them with the same positions. |
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| 14:35.50 | squarecircle | [Ov-]wl: any idea? |
| 14:37.24 | squarecircle | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ |
| 14:37.30 | squarecircle | got it thanks you anyway |
| 14:37.31 | squarecircle | :) |
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| 14:37.48 | kw0n | hyperlumic: hm, interesting. I do have the terminal still open, but there was not much of output, could I send it to you in a personal chat? |
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| 14:38.06 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Pastebin. |
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| 14:40.36 | kw0n | hyperlumic: https://pastebin.com/Y7eiWhmi |
| 14:41.24 | kw0n | hyperlumic: sdb is the system disk, sdc a temp data disk thats not really important |
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| 14:53.59 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Okay, let's try something a bit different. |
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| 14:55.23 | kw0n | hyperlumic: hit me! |
| 14:55.29 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Working on it, hold on. |
| 14:56.50 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Okay, so there's a directory, /sys/block. Inside that dir will be sda, sdb, etc. Inside THOSE will be a directory corresponding to each partition. Inside THAT will be two files, 'start' and 'size'. You need the contents of start and size for each partition you care about. |
| 14:56.50 | kw0n | :) no worries. Grateful for your help. And nothing really important can get deleted anymore, all backed up. Just would prefer not to spend the sunday evening reinstalling my main Machine.... Such a dumbass idea to format the wrong partition... |
| 14:59.35 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Hold on. Let's make life simple. |
| 14:59.38 | hyperlumic | kw0n: https://paste.debian.net/1021464/ |
| 14:59.54 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Put that in a script file, 'oops.sh' would work. Make it executable. |
| 15:00.14 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Then run ./oops.sh sda, ./oops.sh sdb, etc for each disk that you clobbered. It'll dump the necessary data. Pastebin the output. |
| 15:01.53 | kw0n | hyperlumic: :D cool. OK, found the directory and the files, no taking care of oops.sh |
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| 15:08.30 | kw0n | hyperlumic: sorry, took a while, working on 2 machines which caused the problem in the first place https://paste.debian.net/1021466/ |
| 15:08.51 | hyperlumic | So sda isn't a problem in this case? |
| 15:09.15 | kw0n | no fortunately I didn't uke that one... |
| 15:09.19 | kw0n | nuke |
| 15:10.12 | kw0n | the output of the script looks exactely like what I have, sdb = SystemSSD, sdc=temp |
| 15:10.21 | kw0n | so thanks so far |
| 15:10.28 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Okay, now we get to fill in the blanks. sdb looks like an OS drive. /dev/sdb1 was probably /boot, /dev/sdb2 is a container for logical partitions, /dev/sdb5 would be... either LVM or crypt, right? |
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| 15:12.29 | kw0n | exactely, 1=/boot; 2=unknown? 5= /dev/mapper/sda_crypt LVM device. I used standrad-Debian-Installprocess to encrypt with LVM |
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| 15:16.13 | kw0n | hyperlumic: is there a way actually to create an image of an actively running linux? Clonezilla can't do that as far as I know and for windows I know these tools work but never came across one for linux. Not even sure if that would help in this situation though but as a general idea? |
| 15:16.27 | hyperlumic | Wouldn't help. |
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| 15:19.52 | hyperlumic | How big is sdb? |
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| 15:21.22 | kw0n | 256GB |
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| 15:27.28 | hyperlumic | So you set this up using the guided "entire disk, encrypted LVM" option in the installer, right? |
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| 15:27.46 | kw0n | exactely |
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| 15:28.10 | kw0n | 3 Partitions in the LVM: root, swap, home |
| 15:28.39 | hyperlumic | That's handled by a different layer. Just need to make sure I generate the right data for you. |
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| 15:29.20 | kw0n | ok, thanks. :) |
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| 15:29.49 | hyperlumic | I make NO promises as to success, so we're clear. :P |
| 15:30.16 | kw0n | :) of course. I very much appreciate the help, no matter what the outcome |
| 15:31.19 | bleb | rebooted my debian router and now ssh wont accept connections |
| 15:31.41 | bleb | i can ping the router by name, but attempting to ssh i get "Connection refused" |
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| 15:31.55 | bleb | ps says sshd is running |
| 15:32.10 | bleb | does anyone know how i might figure out what's going on? |
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| 15:32.25 | bleb | i checked in /var/log/auth.log and nothing shows up when i try to ssh |
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| 15:32.53 | kw0n | bleb: have you changed anything before reboot? did SSH work before? Keys or password? |
| 15:33.33 | bleb | im trying to set up a wireless ap |
| 15:33.45 | bleb | last night i had both ssh and hostapd working |
| 15:33.53 | kw0n | bleb: when you say cou can ping it by name - you mean IP or hostname? |
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| 15:34.03 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Okay, what was on /dev/sdc? |
| 15:34.11 | bleb | hostname, on my local network |
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| 15:35.29 | kw0n | hyperlumic: just a temp inbox for not important files, I'm coping them already to a network device in case I still need any of that so - if we try it there first thats no problem if something goes wrong AND it is an external USB-device, so I can plug it off and try it on another machine. |
| 15:35.43 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Was it just a big filesystem or what? |
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| 15:36.02 | kw0n | bleb: ok, what about the IP? and how do you connect to the machine, SSH with keys or password? |
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| 15:36.26 | kw0n | hyperlumic: yes, one 500 GB Disk with one partition, ext4 I think |
| 15:36.44 | kw0n | not encrypted |
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| 15:38.09 | bleb | kw0n: for some reason when i ping apu2 (the hostname), it reports the ip address as 127.0.1.1 |
| 15:38.24 | bleb | it's meant to be configured as 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:38.40 | bleb | it responds if i ping 192.168.1.1 |
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| 15:38.59 | bleb | for ssh, if i ssh 127.0.1.1, it says "Connection refused" |
| 15:39.21 | hyperlumic | That's because it's resolving itself from its own perspective, not yours. |
| 15:39.29 | bleb | but if i ssh 192.168.1.1, it just stalls, no error message |
| 15:39.29 | hyperlumic | You're trying to ssh into your own machine. SSH to the 192.168 IP. |
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| 15:44.44 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Okay, last favor. 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' , first line, how many sectors does it say the disk has? |
| 15:46.46 | kw0n | hyperlumic: 500118192 |
| 15:46.54 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Okay, I think I've got this. |
| 15:47.09 | hyperlumic | kw0n: As root, run the following ENTIRE line: |
| 15:47.11 | hyperlumic | wget -qO- https://paste.debian.net/plain/1021472 | bash |
| 15:47.43 | hyperlumic | kw0n: I've scripted the sfdisk input, it should rebuild the partition table exactly as it was. |
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| 15:49.22 | kw0n | :D cool, I get an error because it says the partition is in use, sfdisk says I should use --force to do it anyway. |
| 15:49.47 | kw0n | do I do that or is that something you need to do in the paste-thingy? |
| 15:50.27 | hyperlumic | wget -qO- https://paste.debian.net/plain/1021478 | bash |
| 15:50.29 | hyperlumic | Fixed. |
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| 15:51.21 | hyperlumic | That should (SHOULD) fix both of your clobbered disks. Next step is to try a reboot and hope I got it right. |
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| 15:52.06 | hyperlumic | Actually, before you do that. |
| 15:52.11 | hyperlumic | You nuked the boot record with gpart. |
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| 15:52.21 | hyperlumic | grub-install /dev/sdb, if you were booting off of that disk previously. |
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| 15:54.21 | hyperlumic | s/gpart/gdisk/, but you get the idea. |
| 15:54.35 | kw0n | hyperlumic: ok, did the command, looks good so far. Ãhm - with "before you do that" you ment the reboot right? :D:D |
| 15:54.44 | hyperlumic | Yeah, before reboot. |
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| 15:55.26 | kw0n | hyperlumic: oh, right, of course, grub. Yes this was the boot-device. |
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| 15:57.50 | kw0n | hyperlumic: this looks good so far, gparted shows the right partitions again as well. :D:D I'll wait for the copyprocess to finish and then tra a reboot. Fingers crossed. |
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| 16:04.18 | bleb | i think ssh was being blocked by iptables |
| 16:04.20 | nashimus | does anyone have any suggestions on what I might try? |
| 16:04.29 | nashimus | can't seem to get it to use the amdgpu driver |
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| 16:05.21 | nashimus | I'm able to boot to desktop environment, but it's with low res |
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| 16:08.13 | alles-wird-gut | xorg.conf https://paste.debian.net/1021480/ |
| 16:08.23 | alles-wird-gut | lspci https://paste.debian.net/1021481/ |
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| 16:21.07 | nashimus | amdgpu driver issue solved by installed the firmware as recommended here: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-amdgpu-drivers-on-debian-9-stretch-linux |
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| 16:26.59 | password4 | hi |
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| 16:26.59 | password4 | can I ask here about dual booting into windon't? |
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| 16:26.59 | password4 | i got silinced for asking that in ##windows , so now i ask here :D |
| 16:27.09 | nashimus | password4: what questions do you have? |
| 16:27.11 | kw0n | password4: just ask, I'm new here too |
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| 16:28.13 | eodiv | beginning linux user; dont understand how to find python3 and restore that virtual environment. https://imgur.com/a/5MRFaDD |
| 16:28.39 | password4 | wwell I want to install windows to a spare partition , I'm kinda carefull it screwing up my existing debain install |
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| 16:29.02 | eodiv | ls does not show python, whereis sais it should be there |
| 16:29.14 | kw0n | password4: only one harddrive? |
| 16:29.18 | mtn | password4: it is best/easiest to install window and then linux, but you can fix things after installing windows second |
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| 16:29.34 | password4 | i already have my debian install |
| 16:29.52 | mtn | password4: you will have to fix the boot loader after windows is installed |
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| 16:30.35 | mtn | password4: or run windows in a virtual machine, such as virtualbox |
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| 16:30.49 | sillyslux | eodiv, try ls /usr/bin |
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| 16:31.16 | pixdamix | can symlinks change the file where a program gets its config file from if it does not have that option or is there another way? |
| 16:31.20 | zef | anyone here using parrotsec ? |
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| 16:32.53 | eodiv | sillyslux, what is this magic? |
| 16:32.53 | password4 | mtn, i need the gfx acceleration |
| 16:32.55 | zef | !parrot |
| 16:32.55 | zef | !kali |
| 16:32.55 | zef | !version |
| 16:32.55 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 16:33.11 | password4 | otherwise i would stick to the virtualbox |
| 16:33.11 | nashimus | password4: are you wanting to dual boot for gaming? |
| 16:33.22 | zef | i try to move window buttons in the right |
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| 16:33.33 | password4 | yes , and to use proper IDEs for programming soem things |
| 16:33.36 | zef | x0_ are in the left |
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| 16:34.24 | nashimus | password4: if you don't need GPU acceleration for linux, why not run debian as your windows guest? |
| 16:34.47 | nashimus | if you work and play in windows |
| 16:34.50 | nashimus | what is linux for? |
| 16:34.50 | password4 | nashimus, because i already have debian as a os |
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| 16:35.27 | eodiv | why does ls not show everything unless I provide the absolute path? |
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| 16:36.21 | eodiv | oh for f sake. I am in /bin...... |
| 16:36.26 | eodiv | fml |
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| 16:36.52 | password4 | nashimus, i actually don't knwo why i even use debian anymore |
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| 16:37.04 | mtn | password4: so go ahead and install windows. then fix the boot loader |
| 16:37.26 | kw0n | password4: like nashimus said it's easiest to first install windows but if the budget allows it might be an option to use 2 SSDs / harddrives and a HDD comborack |
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| 16:38.04 | kw0n | whats the proper name in english? to change harddrives easily? |
| 16:38.08 | nashimus | password4: install windows |
| 16:38.11 | nashimus | then https://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows#88432 |
| 16:38.22 | sillyslux | eodiv, don't use absolute paths to show all, there's -a/--all for that |
| 16:38.32 | hyperlumic | Hot swap? |
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| 16:38.42 | nashimus | then again, that's ubuntu |
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| 16:38.59 | password4 | 80gn should be enough for windont? |
| 16:38.59 | nashimus | you could probably boot your debian install media and go to recovery mode to repair grub |
| 16:39.02 | password4 | *gb |
| 16:39.11 | eodiv | sillyslux, thanks. But now I am back to the issue of virtualenvwrapper not working. Python is where it should be |
| 16:39.23 | nashimus | or just keep them on completely separate drives to keep it simple |
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| 16:40.01 | password4 | i don't have extra drives |
| 16:40.03 | sillyslux | dunno about virtualenvwrapper |
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| 16:40.41 | nashimus | okay, well you're going to have to compromise somewhere |
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| 16:41.47 | kw0n | hyperlumic: rebooting |
| 16:41.52 | hyperlumic | Fingers crossed. |
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| 16:42.59 | password4 | I'll start the install in a moment |
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| 16:43.00 | nashimus | e.g. reinstall debian after windows (if you don't want to deal with repairing grub) or buy a second drive |
| 16:43.11 | password4 | just need to figure out how to prepare the flashdrive I'm using |
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| 16:43.47 | kw0n | hyperlumic: Dude you just made my day!!! :D:D boots just fine, thank you very, very much! So no I'm gonna make some clonzilla sessions... :D:D |
| 16:44.02 | pixdamix | is not a way to change the location of program files in linux if the program does not have that option? |
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| 16:44.21 | hyperlumic | kw0n: I feel like a wizard right now. |
| 16:44.30 | hyperlumic | kw0n: Glad I could help. |
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| 16:44.42 | kw0n | You saved me a lot of hours man! :D:D |
| 16:44.58 | kw0n | reinstalling everything would have kept me for at least 2 days |
| 16:45.28 | kw0n | so - really - thanks! Where do you live? I cook not that bad, could send you something? :D:D |
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| 16:47.14 | hyperlumic | Already got Chinese on the way, thanks though. |
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| 16:48.32 | kw0n | :) yeah, I need some food now too. *bow in gratefulness the merlin the wise* |
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| 16:51.13 | hyperlumic | Wise-ass, maybe. :P |
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| 16:55.36 | pixdamix | so none of you dumb niggers want to answer my question? |
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| 16:55.50 | password4 | ... |
| 16:56.20 | pelle | hi, i've got this laptop that has this intel GPU that just hangs and glitches a lot under Debian. I've had to disable accelleration completely in xorg.conf, but does anyone have any ideas for stuff like kernel startup args that can make these intel video cards work? |
| 16:56.30 | pelle | in lspci, it says it's a 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x |
| 16:56.33 | pelle | 5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 21) |
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| 17:02.53 | JohnA1 | I am running Debian buster as a server. The install auto-magically included "resolvconf", is this needed for a server on fixed IPs? It doesn't look particularly essential but before removing it just thought I would check for gotchas |
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| 17:05.17 | areyouloco | JohnA1: its not so smart to run server on testing. I am talking about security issues |
| 17:05.31 | areyouloco | unless you need some new soft |
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| 17:05.44 | nkuttler | no, even then it's stupid |
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| 17:06.15 | JohnA1 | areyouloco: I have two server a "produxtion" and a "test", this is tesst |
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| 17:06.41 | nkuttler | you test on a different os than you use in production?! |
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| 17:06.59 | JohnA1 | both debian |
| 17:07.13 | nkuttler | different releases. that doesn't make much sense to me |
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| 17:07.33 | nkuttler | JohnA1: anyway, support for testing is in #debian-next on oftc |
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| 17:09.15 | JohnA1 | nkuttler: OK, then same ? on stretch, they both have "resolvconf" installed but a s I tend to make changes on the un-nameable that why asked about it. |
| 17:10.18 | JohnA1 | nkuttler: and why does running different release surprise you. one is production and the other experiamental |
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| 17:11.50 | orion160 | gello |
| 17:12.12 | orion160 | i have some problems debugging on debian codeblocks id |
| 17:12.15 | orion160 | IDE |
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| 17:17.02 | JohnA1 | back to my ? are there any known gotchas to removing "resolvconf" |
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| 17:19.24 | pelle | @JohnA1: I once did that on an Ubuntu machine |
| 17:19.34 | pelle | @JohnA1: and then it couldn't do any DNS lookups |
| 17:19.56 | pelle | it was a bit tricky to reinstall the package, as it couldn't look up ubuntu.com |
| 17:20.08 | pelle | had to get it from another computer and copy it over USB |
| 17:20.21 | pelle | i think that is the gotcha |
| 17:20.26 | password4 | do you guys know of any debian tools which i can use to make a win7 bootable flash? |
| 17:21.11 | pelle | @password4 if you are making it for EFI, then gparted should be enough, right? |
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| 17:21.31 | pelle | @password4 (don't know about win7 in particular, but that is the process with other OSs) |
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| 17:21.58 | password4 | gprated does bootable usb? |
| 17:22.11 | mtn | password4: windows needs a special method to make a bootable usb. seek help on a windows channel for that |
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| 17:22.28 | mtn | password4: or use a search engine, of course ;) |
| 17:22.31 | password4 | mtn, i am |
| 17:22.35 | password4 | its not easy |
| 17:22.40 | password4 | no1 tool is rufus |
| 17:22.46 | mtn | password4: it is with the correct app |
| 17:22.47 | pelle | @password4 yes, to make a bootable USB with Debian, just unzip the debian iso to a USB partition and set it to bootable |
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| 17:22.51 | password4 | which i need windows to install windows |
| 17:22.57 | mtn | password4: rufus won't do it |
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| 17:23.11 | mtn | password4: or is that a windows app? |
| 17:23.14 | password4 | windows users said it could |
| 17:23.21 | password4 | its a windows application |
| 17:23.23 | JohnA1 | pelle: Yea, That could be a problem. The sys is on a fixed ip and the dns is local (127.0.01), my read of resolvconf is its useful for a dynamic interface, but probably not otherwaise |
| 17:23.31 | pelle | @password4: yes, if the problem is particular to getting windows to boot from a USB, you should probably ask in a Windows channel |
| 17:23.48 | mtn | password4: right. well, there is a linux way to do it, too. |
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| 17:24.09 | sine0 | how can i find files with partial name match checking only but multiple extensions "catpic*" .jpg .gif .png etc |
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| 17:25.48 | orion160 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.55 | orion160 | can any help me? |
| 17:26.34 | pelle | @sine0 find -regex 'catpic.*\(gif\|jpg\|png\)' |
| 17:26.57 | pelle | (maybe add a $ to the end) |
| 17:27.14 | sine0 | pelle: but what about partial filename |
| 17:27.22 | sine0 | something* |
| 17:27.26 | pelle | exactly |
| 17:27.35 | pelle | @sine0 find -regex 'something.*\(gif\|jpg\|png\)$' |
| 17:27.41 | sine0 | so so the .* is anything up to |
| 17:28.02 | pelle | the . is "any character" and * is "0 or more" |
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| 17:28.41 | pelle | and the last part is "gif or jpg or png" |
| 17:28.49 | sine0 | yea sure, thanks pelle |
| 17:28.52 | sine0 | you the boss |
| 17:28.53 | pelle | and "$" is end of file |
| 17:29.13 | sine0 | yea i know a little of regex, I just thought for a second the . was the start of hte .jpg |
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| 17:29.18 | pelle | @sine0 glad to be of help |
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| 17:29.44 | pelle | to make an actual . then i think you have to "escape" it; that is put a \ before it |
| 17:29.58 | RoyK | does find support perl regex? |
| 17:30.04 | pelle | @sine0 find -regex 'something.*\(\.gif\|\.jpg\|\.png\)$' |
| 17:30.05 | RoyK | dislikes posix regex |
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| 17:30.25 | winny | hello, i have a disk image of an old ubuntu installation with a bunch of users and their home directory data. I want to migrate the user data to a fresh debian install. Is there a script that will handle this for me, I prefer not to manipulate the password database directly, and want to ensure there are no UI/GID collissions |
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| 17:31.12 | RoyK | winny: should be quite simple with kpartx or partx and then just map the partition(s) |
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| 17:32.21 | pelle | @RoyK It doesn't look like it |
| 17:32.31 | winny | RoyK: sorry, i mean i want to copy the data off the disk image |
| 17:32.44 | winny | in a way that is meaningful to my current password and group databases |
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| 17:33.25 | RoyK | winny: sure, but first you need to mount the image and to map the partitions in the image to loopback devices, (k)partx is rather nice |
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| 17:37.51 | winny | RoyK: not to worry, it's a squashfs image, so a simple mount command suffices |
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| 17:38.35 | RoyK | winny: ok - but then - what's the problem? |
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| 17:40.42 | winny | there may be some conflicts between the two user & group databases (backup vs new server), and was curious if there is a script to migrate /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group |
| 17:40.50 | winny | and handle conflicts |
| 17:41.50 | RoyK | winny: I don't know any scripts for it, but it would be easy to write it - just check the old /etc/{passwd,group} files, find the UID/GID and do something like |
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| 17:42.05 | RoyK | find /olddisk -user 123 -exec chown 234 {} \; |
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| 17:42.13 | RoyK | and same to change the GID |
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| 17:44.14 | winny | indeed |
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| 17:47.55 | archpc | any reason why dhcp won't work on debian netinstall, but works just fine in ubuntu and proxmox (based on debian) |
| 17:48.02 | archpc | both nics are detected just fine |
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| 17:50.24 | RoyK | archpc: works for me (tm) |
| 17:51.26 | archpc | ah, the good ol' "works on my machine" |
| 17:52.02 | RoyK | or machines (plural) |
| 17:52.17 | archpc | english isn't my first language :v |
| 17:52.20 | bug | in what way is dhcp not working? |
| 17:52.22 | RoyK | archpc: have you checked the logs? |
| 17:52.51 | archpc | no not yet, how do i check the logs? switch to a different terminal? |
| 17:53.17 | bug | hm |
| 17:53.39 | archpc | it tries to configure, takes a while and says "your network may not use dhcp" |
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| 17:56.08 | archpc | maybe its because i have my server a static IP |
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| 17:56.16 | archpc | ill remove it and retry the installation |
| 17:57.13 | bug | static ip doesn't use dhcp. |
| 17:57.33 | archpc | yeah, i was thinking maybe there's a conflict somehow and debian doesn't like it |
| 17:57.35 | archpc | shrugs |
| 17:57.47 | RoyK | it should suffice to add something like 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet' to /etc/network/interfaces, commenting out the rest |
| 17:58.05 | archpc | its en1 and en2 |
| 17:58.10 | archpc | but ill try that |
| 17:58.14 | RoyK | s/iface eth0 inet/iface eth0 inet dhcp/ |
| 17:58.38 | bug | debian doesn't use eth# any more by default. |
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| 17:58.51 | RoyK | note the dhcp part - just missed it - this is for ipv4 - for ipv6, change dhcp to 'auto' |
| 17:59.11 | RoyK | bug: seems it's still 'eth0' with some virtual machines |
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| 17:59.52 | RoyK | (or some hypervisors) |
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| 20:11.24 | shomon | hi, I'm trying to remove or reinstall dhcp probe, on the way to upgrading from wheezy to jessie. |
| 20:12.44 | shomon | it gives an error which I can't get past. I don't know if I can manually download a package with which to reinstall the correct version. I have done apt-get update and upgrade, then did a dist-upgrade(after following the notes on upgrading from wheezy), and it fails because it can't turn on dhcp-probe in the first place. |
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| 20:16.21 | shomon | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/39f7fe70/ here is what happens when I try and uninstall it |
| 20:16.59 | shomon | What I suspect is that it's misconfigured, so I might need to manually reinstall it or see what the config files should say to reset it to this initial default |
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| 20:26.56 | rant | shomon: for future ref you should set LANG=C when pasting errors, as not everyone has studied spanish as I have. |
| 20:27.36 | shomon | yeah.. sorry about that.. I hoped if I updated I could get rid of the wierd characters.. |
| 20:27.40 | rant | really it seems to only be hanging up on stoppin a process.. so I dont see why you couldnt just hack that script to skip over that or exit 0 if nothing else is suppose to happen, just to get on with the upgrade |
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| 20:28.23 | rant | I doubt that process is even running and if so, it staying running prob isnt gonna negatively effect the upgrade |
| 20:28.28 | shomon | ok if I hack the "start" part of /etc/init.d/dhcp-probe then to always say yes |
| 20:28.33 | shomon | yes it isn't running |
| 20:28.55 | rant | then just hack the script generating the error |
| 20:29.07 | shomon | that's the one I'm not really sure of.. |
| 20:29.36 | rant | el subproceso instalado el script pre-removal devolvi�� el c��digo de salida de error 1 |
| 20:29.56 | rant | prerm script should be in /var/cache/apt/ somewhere I believe |
| 20:30.02 | shomon | I'll see what that says if it's in english. ah thanks! |
| 20:30.23 | rant | would likely be called dhcp-probe.prerm or something |
| 20:30.52 | rant | will be a normal shell script.. skim through it, if nothing important is being done there, just put "exit 0" there to tell the script to exit successfully and that'll make dpkg happy |
| 20:31.12 | shomon | thanks, ok I'm trying to locate it |
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| 20:33.15 | rant | shomon: this jessie box shows em in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ actually so I was wrong |
| 20:33.38 | shomon | aaah well this is still mostly wheezy.. |
| 20:34.07 | rant | yeah well this jessie system is the oldest I got.. pretty sure that hasnt changed in ages though |
| 20:34.24 | shomon | found it, yes it was there, thanks! |
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| 20:36.32 | rant | putting a simple exit 0 in any of those scripts is sufficient to correct nearly any dpkg error, however you just gotta be mindful of what you're telling it not to do.. and what the effects of that not happening will be. in this case if all its doing is trying to cleanup something not running, its not a big deal |
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| 20:37.13 | shomon | I added exit 0 to the end of that, but it is giving the same output |
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| 20:37.49 | rant | you'd need to put the exit 0 BEFORE it does what causes the error, not after.. usually on the first line if you can reasonably skip that script altogether |
| 20:37.59 | rant | I dont know what all that particular script is suppose to do |
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| 20:38.29 | shomon | aah! |
| 20:38.45 | rant | when a script is exiting 1 due to a command failing, putting exit 0 after that isnt gonna even get processed |
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| 20:39.24 | shomon | phew that worked now. Yes it's ages since I've touched a bash script |
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| 20:39.38 | Igel | im sorry to hear that |
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| 20:39.41 | shomon | yes the problem is how to ensure that there will still be a way to find dhcp after upgrading to jessie |
| 20:39.53 | rant | all dpkg cares about i s if its subprocesses exit 0 or not.. if you can manually do whatever is erring out or its not critical, then you can just tell the script exit 0 and dpkg will be happy |
| 20:40.23 | rant | ,i dhcp-probe |
| 20:40.24 | judd | Package dhcp-probe (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: network DHCP or BootP server discover. Version: 1.3.0-10.1+b1; Size: 62.9k; Installed: 138k; Homepage: http://www.net.princeton.edu/software/dhcp_probe/ |
| 20:41.15 | shomon | I tried to install it and it has no installation candidate.. but is referred to by another package.. |
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| 20:41.59 | rant | on this jessie system I'm using isc-dhcp-client |
| 20:42.13 | rant | ,i isc-dhcp-client jessie |
| 20:42.14 | judd | Package isc-dhcp-client (net, important) in jessie/amd64: DHCP client for automatically obtaining an IP address. Version: 4.3.1-6+deb8u2; Size: 243.9k; Installed: 561k; Homepage: http://www.isc.org |
| 20:42.24 | shomon | ah ok I'll see if I can individually install it then continue the dist-upgrade |
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| 20:42.44 | rant | it'll also pull in isc-dhcp-common I figure |
| 20:43.32 | shomon | ah yes there it is. well thanks very much! |
| 20:43.49 | shomon | also lang is now great, thanks for the tip |
| 20:44.26 | rant | well if you use a system typically with another language a simple LANG=C before a command will output in standard C / English for purposes of support |
| 20:45.15 | shomon | no, it's just an old laptop.. hope it can stay english now. |
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| 20:45.53 | rant | !locales |
| 20:45.53 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 20:46.15 | rant | !localised errors |
| 20:46.15 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
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| 20:48.57 | noodlepie | Yo fellaz" |
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| 21:07.46 | s_t_s | :q |
| 21:08.17 | rant | this is not vi |
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| 21:16.15 | digdilem | I'm not so sure. vi can do all sorts of things |
| 21:17.13 | digdilem | feels a bit like a macro some days |
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| 21:19.45 | antoine____ | Hello, I installed Debian for my parents. They don't want any password so I removed the password on the user account they use. |
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| 21:20.11 | antoine____ | The problem is, on looging, seahorse isn't unlocked. Is there any way to get seahorse unlocked on logging without a password? |
| 21:20.41 | antoine____ | Removing Seahorse's master password is fine too. It only stores a password that we use for local file sharing. |
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| 21:21.56 | at0m | antoine____: how about setting them a user password, but have them automatically log in to a desktop with that account |
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| 21:22.31 | at0m | antoine____: do remember the root password on that computer though :) |
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| 21:23.16 | at0m | antoine____: and do make sure the desktop doesn't lock after x time etc |
| 21:23.32 | antoine____ | at0m: Yep I still access that computer through ssh with another account from time to time to do the updates :). |
| 21:23.47 | eodiv | i forgot how to make sure nginx can connect to the upstream uwsgi socket. How do I check the permissions? I need to make sure they how the right ownership correct? I made a group called webadmin |
| 21:23.50 | antoine____ | Right, I should disable auto lock. |
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| 21:24.25 | antoine____ | at0m: Is it possible to set a password and auto login? I didn't know. |
| 21:24.40 | antoine____ | at0m: It is a laptop though, what is they close it. |
| 21:25.30 | antoine____ | Can I say close the lid of a laptop? Fold a laptop? I'm not sure how to say that in english ^^. |
| 21:25.32 | at0m | i dont know what DE/WM they use, but just make sure it doesn't lock. not when closing lid, not when putting it in standby, not after x time, and so forth |
| 21:25.41 | antoine____ | It is gnome. |
| 21:26.08 | at0m | i'm not familiar with gnome, but it will have settings for all that |
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| 21:26.54 | antoine____ | Yep probably. Right, so it'll be cleaner to leave the password and set it to auto log in then never lock. Rather than removing the password. |
| 21:26.58 | antoine____ | Thanks :). |
| 21:27.14 | at0m | =) |
| 21:28.03 | antoine____ | See you, good night if you're a fellow European! |
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| 21:32.34 | s_t_s | is sorry for mistaking windows ;) |
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| 22:05.56 | kope | https://paste.linux.community/view/bc72717a |
| 22:06.04 | kope | i cant run bless |
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| 22:12.14 | akk | Hi -- just tried to install stretch on my Asus 1015e (UEFI, but came with Ubuntu preinstalled) and it won't boot, I'm stuck at "file not found" grub rescue. |
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| 22:12.58 | akk | I tried booting into rescue mode on the install USB stick but its grub rescue options don't work either (I can get a shell). |
| 22:13.11 | akk | Any advice? I'm not finding much with google. |
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| 22:13.52 | hypn0 | kope: you installed mono too? |
| 22:14.16 | kope | yes |
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| 22:28.28 | michael2 | If I were to install firefox from sid repo's could I expect that that firefox package would have had more fixes than the firefox directly downloaded from mozilla.org? |
| 22:32.23 | dvs | !firefox |
| 22:32.23 | dpkg | From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
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| 22:33.55 | akk | Is there a way to "force grub-efi installation to the removable media path" from the commandline? |
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| 22:34.04 | akk | https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI says that rescue mode has that option, but it doesn't. |
| 22:35.28 | michael2 | !mozilla.debian.net |
| 22:35.29 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "esr52" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. As of v52, only the ESR version can be compiled for Jessie. |
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| 22:39.41 | jcarpenter2 | it is my observation that GCC 7.x is not in stretch-main or in stretch-backports, therefore i will be compiling and installin git |
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| 22:45.23 | jcarpenter2 | the good news is i'm going to be using std::variant |
| 22:45.44 | jcarpenter2 | shuts brain off of problem until code is re-written to use std::variant, then everything will be easier |
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| 22:49.29 | dysfigured | is there a program that monitors process run by certain users? like htop, but does logging, and some way to script against events |
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| 23:35.57 | Trel | I'm trying to fix an issue where X freezes or crashes when I switch TTYs. I'm stretch on a laptop with an Intel CPU (with integrated graphics). If I use a display manager (lightdm for example) if I change TTYs and come back, it crashes and restarts. If I change to a multi-user target, and do startx manually, when I switch TTYs and come back, my system fully locks up (Caps lock light doesn't work, etc) |
| 23:36.21 | Trel | Also with the startx method, I don't seem to get any xorg logs. |
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| 23:39.39 | michael2 | are you using your own ~/.xsession for `startx'? |
| 23:40.48 | Trel | I don't have one defined if that's what you mean |
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| 23:42.11 | michael2 | what if you define one? - that should by pass whatever config your window manager is using - I believe ~/.xsession causes xinit to ignore /etc/X11 defaults |
| 23:42.34 | Trel | I'm not sure what I'd put there to even begin to diagnose this. |
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| 23:46.42 | Trel | Any tips? |
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| 23:50.02 | michael2 | here is an example ~/.xinit |
| 23:50.09 | michael2 | http://www.xfree86.org/current/startx.1.html#sect3 |
| 23:50.35 | michael2 | debian recommends you use ~/.xsession instead of ~/.xinit |
| 23:50.47 | Unit193 | Reminds me of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/102948 |
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| 23:55.11 | Trel | I actually just fixed the issue (both) |
| 23:55.23 | Trel | I apparently found the solution, but just put it in the wrong place |
| 23:55.39 | Trel | One sec |
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| 23:58.47 | Trel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/30395 |
| 23:58.58 | Trel | Comment #7, about adding the VideoRam option |
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| 23:59.48 | Trel | I don't have the bios option, but adding the videoram option to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf (I made the file) fixed both. |