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| 00:07.48 | zedki | Did I actually join the Debian Channel? |
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| 00:09.39 | Unit193 | zedki: You are in the Debian support channel on freenode, yes! |
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| 00:11.49 | zedki | ah haaa. Looks like it work. I'll be back when I start into debian. |
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| 00:16.37 | awal1 | emu_rider, thanks for your time, anyway; I'll google a bit more |
| 00:17.18 | awal1 | btw, if not wrong, volume above 100 is just a matter of amplification or ... ? |
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| 00:21.35 | awal1 | emu_rider, I'll let you know if I find the answer ;) |
| 00:21.59 | emu_rider | Sure :) |
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| 00:47.55 | benrob0329 | The reported error was âRCPT TO <wiki@debian.org> failed: <my_email>: Sender address rejected: Domain not foundâ. |
| 00:48.18 | benrob0329 | I had this trying to subscribe to the mailing list as well |
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| 00:51.51 | galex-713_ | Hi |
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| 00:52.04 | galex-713_ | whatâs the simplest way to enable smtps (in addition to smtp) in exim in debian? |
| 00:52.27 | galex-713_ | I followed this section without success https://wiki.debian.org/Exim#TLS_and_authentication |
| 00:52.41 | galex-713_ | telnet localhost smtps still doesnât work |
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| 00:54.06 | onitlikesonic | Hi all, can anyone lend me a hand on ubuntu partitioning? i got the following https://pastebin.com/zPRcUinj and i am looking to get (a fixed 10GB / partition) + (a fixed 1GB SWAP) +(all the rest of the space in an ext4 partition) howevr at the moment all is being put into the swap! crazy! |
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| 01:02.02 | karlpinc | !tell onitlikesonic about ubuntu |
| 01:02.31 | awal1 | emu_rider, tw , question solved: "pactl list sinks" for get my sink symbolic name (in my case: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo) then use the following command for increase volume by 5% relatively to current sink volume (also go above 100): "pactl set-sink-volume alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo +5%" |
| 01:02.39 | awal1 | -5% for decrease |
| 01:02.41 | karlpinc | galex-713_: Did you restart the exim4 daemon or reload it? |
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| 01:04.13 | awal1 | so with that command I can increase volume level above 100 via my keyboard shortcut. I guess pasystray and pavucontrol uses that (maybe also mpv and vlc) |
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| 01:19.24 | awal1 | one case just use @DEFAULT_SINK@ to refer to active/default sink instead of symbolic name |
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| 01:28.13 | Jari-- | hi |
| 01:28.39 | Jari-- | I have a package dpkg constantly tries to find and it says it is missing, how to cancel the installation of it? |
| 01:28.58 | Jari-- | I already deleted the package from /var/spool |
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| 01:29.13 | Jari-- | package configuration files that is |
| 01:29.35 | Jari-- | I am already thinking of installing Ubuntu.. it has some featue like --fix-missing |
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| 01:30.13 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 01:30.13 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 01:30.16 | jelly | Jari--: ^^ |
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| 01:31.37 | Jari-- | E: The package gpc-2.95-doc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 01:31.48 | Jari-- | gpc?? I thought it was gcc :D |
| 01:33.13 | Jari-- | laaaaaaaag |
| 01:33.36 | Jari-- | jelly: my new classes are arriving in about two weeks |
| 01:33.45 | Jari-- | eye glasses |
| 01:33.46 | Jari-- | sorry |
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| 01:34.35 | awal1 | --fix-missing not ubuntu specific, that is apt-gets argument |
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| 01:38.10 | Nautilus | I've installed debian and it said it needs some non-free files for my wifi, but I'm not sure what to do. One of the two is iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode |
| 01:39.17 | Nautilus | oh does this look right? apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 01:40.58 | SunnyDayWork | Nautilus, sounds about right to me |
| 01:41.36 | Nautilus | just gave it a try, have to find sudoers file |
| 01:42.05 | SunnyDayWork | su to root |
| 01:42.30 | Nautilus | ah ok. I'd probably need to do that to even edit sudoers (for the future), right? |
| 01:43.17 | SunnyDayWork | you don't have to use sudo, that is optional and up to you. I prefer to just su and run commands as root |
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| 01:43.44 | Nautilus | gotcha |
| 01:44.36 | Nautilus | package firmware-iwlwifi is not available :( |
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| 01:45.45 | general4 | probably in the nonfree repos -- one of the repos in /etc/yum.repos.d/*.repo |
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| 01:47.22 | jelly | Jari--: if your sight problem prevents you from pastebinning ALL the info dpkg bot wrote about, it's going to be harder to find the cause and solve it |
| 01:47.50 | SunnyDayWork | Nautilus, yes you need to add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:48.04 | jelly | but gcc 2.95 anything sounds very, very old |
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| 01:48.23 | Nautilus | add this whole line?: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 01:49.02 | dvs | Nautilus, if you already have a ftp.debian.org/debian line, you can modify that. |
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| 01:49.48 | bug | "stretch" might be preferable to "stable", to avoid surprises later on. |
| 01:49.56 | Nautilus | i have "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" |
| 01:50.11 | dvs | Nautilus, yeah, so modify that line |
| 01:50.15 | xerosyn | add "contrib non-free" to that line |
| 01:50.19 | Nautilus | so add... yea that |
| 01:50.25 | xerosyn | then apt-get update |
| 01:50.26 | Nautilus | theres also a deb-src line |
| 01:50.33 | xerosyn | thats for source code |
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| 01:50.39 | Nautilus | oh ok! |
| 01:50.40 | dvs | Nautilus, you could change that but no biggie. |
| 01:50.45 | xerosyn | if you're interseted in source |
| 01:51.14 | themill | (also better off using deb.debian.org rather than the ftp.d.o mirror) |
| 01:51.25 | dvs | ttrue |
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| 01:51.52 | Nautilus | this will work better with the ethernet cable plugged in... |
| 01:52.02 | dvs | heh |
| 01:52.13 | xerosyn | always lol |
| 01:52.32 | dvs | uses string and tin cans |
| 01:52.41 | xerosyn | rng_P@ssw0rd! |
| 01:52.44 | xerosyn | lol |
| 01:52.49 | xerosyn | sting cans |
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| 01:56.15 | mutante | the rng stands for random number generator, right |
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| 01:58.59 | Nautilus | The apt-get install seemed to go fine, but in Wicd Network Manager > Preferences it doesn't list a wireless interface - tips? |
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| 02:01.11 | dvs | Nautilus, the wireless device must already be in your /etc/network/interfaces file. |
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| 02:02.27 | Nautilus | ahyea, not there. No idea what to put there |
| 02:02.50 | dvs | Nautilus, nothing as far as wireless goes if you want to use wicd. |
| 02:03.22 | dvs | Nautilus, I assumed that you just installed the firmware package. Did you reboot? |
| 02:03.37 | Nautilus | both yes |
| 02:04.17 | Nautilus | Wicd says "No wireless networks found" so I looked into Preferences |
| 02:05.07 | dvs | Nautilus, what wireless card is it? |
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| 02:06.49 | Nautilus_ | freenode dumped me |
| 02:07.13 | Nautilus_ | packagaes.debian.org says this about the ucode files it wanted: |
| 02:07.14 | Nautilus_ | * Intel Wireless 6005/6205 firmware, version 17.168.5.3 |
| 02:07.14 | Nautilus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.14 | Nautilus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.14 | Nautilus_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:07.35 | jimbzy | facepalms |
| 02:07.43 | Nautilus_ | sorry for flood |
| 02:07.49 | Sir_Designer | debhelper stoopid bot |
| 02:07.52 | jimbzy | You just can't catch a break, can you? |
| 02:08.00 | Nautilus_ | whats new, heh |
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| 02:09.32 | Nautilus_ | did my 4 line paste come through about the ucode files? |
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| 02:10.29 | Nautilus_ | packagaes.debin.org indicates my card is Intel Wireless 6005/6205 |
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| 02:11.28 | jimbzy | Nautilus_: (iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode)? |
| 02:11.39 | dvs | Yeah, that's in the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 02:11.56 | Nautilus_ | 5 & 6 were requested originally, during install time, but I skipped it and am trying to repair |
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| 02:15.16 | dvs | Nautilus, what does "ip addr" say? |
| 02:16.36 | Nautilus | 1: lo 2: enp0s25 (my hard wire) 3: wlp3s0 (wifi?) |
| 02:16.49 | dvs | yup, the third is the wifi |
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| 02:17.36 | Nautilus | also says it's DOWN |
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| 02:17.59 | dvs | Nautilus, sudo iwlist wlp3s0 scan |
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| 02:19.03 | Nautilus | Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 02:19.46 | dvs | Ah, I guess the wireless kill switch is on somehow. |
| 02:20.11 | Nautilus | ohhh checking unit |
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| 02:24.53 | agio | hi, /lib/systemd/system I see a file multiuser.target - that file contains line: Requires: basic.target - which I assume means "go off and do the things in the basic.target file. but there is also a multi-user.target.wants/ directory. which one is run when multi-user.target is the default target? |
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| 02:26.40 | Nautilus | dvs: that seems to be the problem but the function key isn't turning on my wifi indicator |
| 02:26.56 | Nautilus | :( |
| 02:27.59 | Nautilus | seems it needs drivers |
| 02:28.50 | dvs | Nautilus, what does "lsmod | grep iwlwifi" say? |
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| 02:30.27 | Nautilus | iwlwifi 126976 1 iwldvm (and a line for cfg80211 as well) |
| 02:31.00 | dvs | iwldvm? |
| 02:31.19 | Nautilus | that's what it says |
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| 02:32.26 | dvs | I guess it isn't that unusual. I have iwlmvm loaded but not iwldvm |
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| 02:34.57 | Nautilus | i could start over and reinstall but am unsure what to do with the ucode files so they get found during install |
| 02:35.27 | dvs | Nautilus, I'd use the firmware iso image if you want to reinstall |
| 02:36.18 | Nautilus | what's a firmware iso image? (sorry for dumb Qs) |
| 02:36.31 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 02:36.31 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 02:37.39 | jimbzy | I saved mine on my phone's sd card. |
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| 02:38.47 | Nautilus | so make a USB again, using firmware-9.4.0-i386-DVD-1.iso ? |
| 02:39.22 | dvs | Nautilus, well, I would have used the netinst but yes. |
| 02:39.33 | karlpinc | Nautilus: Better to use the "netinstall" image. Smaller, so you only download what you need when you need it during the install. |
| 02:40.04 | Nautilus | sounds good, is that at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/ |
| 02:40.07 | jimbzy | Yeah |
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| 02:40.22 | dvs | what file? |
| 02:41.05 | Nautilus | <- lost |
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| 02:42.40 | mejnour | Hello, everybody. I'm sorry I'm doing this here, but, not knowing where I can find It, please would someone point me to a channel where I can discuss lambda-calculus and similar topics? :) |
| 02:42.42 | dvs | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:43.01 | bug | assuming you want i386 instead of amd64. |
| 02:43.26 | Nautilus | dvs: thats for Intel 64-bit too, right? |
| 02:43.38 | dvs | Nautilus, no |
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| 02:43.54 | karlpinc | Nautilus: (It will work on a 64 bit machine, but will be 32 bit.) |
| 02:43.58 | Nautilus | oops sorry. I think that means I installed 32-bit on here already |
| 02:44.13 | karlpinc | Nautilus: Might want to re-install then. :) |
| 02:44.23 | dvs | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:44.53 | Nautilus | see it, thanks! |
| 02:44.56 | dvs | Nautilus, yeah, if you did the 32-bit version, I'd reinstall |
| 02:45.37 | Nautilus | tis the plan now, downloading |
| 02:46.14 | karlpinc | mejnour: You could ask in #guile. |
| 02:46.43 | mejnour | karlpinc, thank you so much |
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| 03:02.45 | Nautilus | ah gee the installer still says missing firmware files |
| 03:03.21 | dvs | O_O |
| 03:03.31 | dvs | I guess the wireless card is too new. |
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| 03:04.33 | Nautilus | thinkpad x230 circa 2011/2012 |
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| 03:06.48 | jimbzy | I can never get them loaded during installation. I always have to add them afterwards. |
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| 03:07.55 | Nautilus | ok I'll move on with the reinstall |
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| 03:08.35 | Nautilus | ah, it configures the (wired) network after that screen |
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| 03:10.30 | Nautilus | this looks like it will help me https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/5y7ds4/thinkpad_x230_wifi_not_recognised_in_debian_8/ |
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| 03:12.29 | jimbzy | I think I'm going to upgrade to testing this weekend. |
| 03:12.30 | dvs | The links in the iwlwifi wiki are a bit dated |
| 03:13.22 | Nautilus | the link I posted is a bit older too |
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| 03:14.25 | Nautilus | the wiki has a modprobe command I didnt try |
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| 03:22.30 | Nautilus | on another debian system, how do I remember what desktop I installed? I think it's LXDE |
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| 03:22.52 | jak2020 | is possible know wich domain have this ip: 162.144.249.19 ? |
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| 03:23.09 | eddb | command: host |
| 03:23.13 | eddb | or nslookup |
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| 03:23.49 | Nautilus | it could also host multiples |
| 03:24.12 | eddb | host will return the ptr record of the address in question |
| 03:24.13 | Nautilus | 162-144-249-19.unifiedlayer.com [162.144.249.19] |
| 03:24.32 | jak2020 | something about maquinaria... |
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| 03:35.30 | kimmyk | what's the strongest way to fix broken packages? |
| 03:35.35 | kimmyk | apt-get install --reinstall didn't work. |
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| 03:45.50 | nkuttler | !tell kimmyk about errors |
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| 03:47.10 | kimmyk | nkuttler: sorry i had messages blocked. |
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| 03:47.18 | nkuttler | !errors |
| 03:47.18 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 03:47.38 | kimmyk | well i think i know what's wrong... |
| 03:47.57 | kimmyk | (: i messed up the kernel source and now dkms is making a mess. |
| 03:48.06 | kimmyk | an even bigger mess.. |
| 03:48.42 | kimmyk | but apt-get install --reinstall doesn't actually reinstall anything. |
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| 03:49.25 | nkuttler | why do you have kernel sources? |
| 03:50.06 | nkuttler | try apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`, and see if dkms does rebuild |
| 03:53.01 | kimmyk | i need them to build zfs from git. |
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| 03:53.30 | kimmyk | dkms is complaining it can't find dkms.conf and i can't find it either. |
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| 03:58.05 | kimmyk | ok i think i see what happened.. |
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| 03:59.22 | kimmyk | the dkms postinstall script seems to look in /lib/modules/$version for it but i didn't back up /lib/modules when i rebuilt the system. |
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| 04:12.31 | kimmyk | http://bpaste.net/show/9529a6927065 |
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| 04:24.16 | Nautilus | I think I have iwlwifi working now, that it's being loaded at least. Last problem might just be turning the Thinkpad X230's WiFi. It has a WiFi indicator led which is off, and the function key row to do things like turn on wifi, adjust brightness, etc is not working. |
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| 04:25.12 | Nautilus | doing some googling |
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| 04:28.58 | nmschulte | the minissdpd fix is nice! |
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| 04:44.21 | Nautilus | dagnab, I have the /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi folder so install found that device, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything (function keys don't do anything) |
| 04:44.54 | Nautilus | any way to debug that? |
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| 05:33.07 | jak2020 | how to find some files under the directory /var/log locate search in intire system |
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| 05:47.12 | jim | files in /var/log are usually just readable by root |
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| 05:52.49 | vlt | Hello. I installed a Debian 9 system on a USB drive using debootstrap. It works totally fine on most tested machines but on one I have to switch from "UEFI" to "Legacy BIOS" to be able to boot. What do I need to on the Debian system to make it boot also on UEFI? |
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| 05:56.55 | somiaj | vlt: you will need to have both boot info in the mbr and an efi partition with boot info there, esentailly you'll need two seperate ways to boot, and by default things arent' configured to do this |
| 05:57.22 | somiaj | I'm unsure the best way to do this with an install. I think the new usb live versions are hybrid and can boot both (but I also know there is a lot of work to make this possible) |
| 05:57.25 | somiaj | and unsure what that work is |
| 05:57.52 | somiaj | The debian install images are hybrid, but they have wacky partition tables, maybe you can find info on this if youw ant to set something up yourself |
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| 05:59.35 | vlt | somiaj: Thank you. At least I know what to look for :-) |
| 06:02.28 | vlt | I have a separate /boot partition (with cryptsetup) on that USB drive anyway, so maybe I can make that vfat and use it also for the .efi stuff. |
| 06:02.48 | somiaj | be careful, debian doesn't like /boot being vfat |
| 06:03.05 | somiaj | dpkg uses hard links in upgrading packages to be able to revert if something goes wrong, and won't work on vfat because of this |
| 06:03.05 | dpkg | somiaj: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 06:03.12 | somiaj | so kernel upgrades will be a problem. |
| 06:03.32 | somiaj | You should just use a seperate efi partition, and make sure you identify it as the right type if using mbr partition table (though gtp is prefered) |
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| 06:05.10 | kimmyk | dpkg: (: somiaj wasn't talking to you |
| 06:05.10 | dpkg | kimmyk: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 06:05.24 | kimmyk | dpkg: maybe later.. |
| 06:05.24 | dpkg | kimmyk: i haven't a clue |
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| 06:05.52 | somiaj | vlt: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/syslinux#UEFI_Systems -- maybe you could use syslinux, and have syslinux both boot normal and efi, and not use grub. |
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| 06:07.47 | jim | hi, trying to figure out why I can't install steam... sources.list has: |
| 06:08.28 | somiaj | jim: have you enabld the contrib and non-free repos in your soruces.lsit? |
| 06:09.02 | vlt | somiaj: Thank you! |
| 06:09.04 | somiaj | vlt: https://askubuntu.com/questions/873004/ubuntu-on-a-usb-stick-boot-in-both-bios-and-uefi-modes -- here is a somewhat lengthy description for this in ubuntu. |
| 06:09.06 | jim | deb http://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free |
| 06:09.20 | somiaj | jim: did you run apt-get update after changing your sources.list? |
| 06:09.26 | jim | yep |
| 06:09.41 | somiaj | jim: what is the output of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy steam |
| 06:09.50 | somiaj | put at paste.debian.net |
| 06:09.52 | jim | and when I try to install, it says: |
| 06:10.12 | somiaj | jim: ahh okay, yea errors would be helpful, sorry got ahead of you. |
| 06:10.13 | jim | oh ok, that instead |
| 06:10.30 | jim | well ok, which first? |
| 06:10.35 | somiaj | jim: if you are getting errors other than 'package not found', give me that output, the apt-cache policy could also be useful |
| 06:10.42 | somiaj | well I will end up needing both |
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| 06:12.10 | jim | http://termbin.com/nvuf <-- attempt to install |
| 06:12.57 | somiaj | okay, yea packge is not found, lets look at your apt-cache policy output |
| 06:13.06 | jim | ok |
| 06:13.34 | somiaj | oh I think I figured out the issue, do you ahve multiarch installed, seem steams is only i386, and you are most likely running amd64 |
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| 06:16.58 | jim | http://termbin.com/kvsu <-- policys |
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| 06:17.17 | jim | but yeah, I think you're right |
| 06:17.23 | somiaj | !multiarch |
| 06:17.23 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 06:18.17 | somiaj | yea you only have amd64 configured, just enable multiarch, update so you have access to i386 packages and install steam, you may also need to install i386 libaries for your grapchics card/gl libaries |
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| 06:19.51 | jim | do I need to look at the wiki, or is the command to add the arch enough? |
| 06:20.34 | somiaj | that command is all you need |
| 06:20.57 | jim | ok, thanks I appreciate that, and your time |
| 06:20.58 | somiaj | jsut run those two commands, and you can install steam, but expect maybe needed some additional i386 packages to run games. |
| 06:21.35 | jim | debconf is configureing steam |
| 06:23.11 | somiaj | good work |
| 06:23.18 | jim | its getting zillions of updates |
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| 06:23.35 | jim | it made me agree to some license agreement |
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| 06:25.19 | somiaj | well it is non-free, |
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| 06:43.04 | tdn | I have an NFS server with a few shares on my LAN. For some reason, when I reboot, the nfs server does indeed start up. However, the clients fail to mount shares. Nothing is in the server log. If I restart nfs-kernel-server service, client can mount just fine. What can cause this? (as a workaround, I have sleep 120 ; service nfs-kernel server in my rc.local) |
| 06:43.20 | tdn | But would like to fix the real issue |
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| 06:51.29 | jim | tdn, seems like the simplest possibility from what you're saying, is that the nfs service wasn't started the first time you tried to mount |
| 06:52.26 | tdn | jim, oh yeah it IS started. At least systemctl status nfs-kernel-server tells me it is active |
| 06:52.45 | tdn | jim, what do I need to look for in the logs during bootup? |
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| 06:53.34 | jim | I haven't run annfsd in a long time :) I don't know what will be in your logs unfortunately |
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| 06:54.53 | jim | maybe you can wait for another answer from here, and maybe at the same time you can ask on ##networking? |
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| 06:56.54 | hypercore | what does apt-get install -y do? |
| 06:58.00 | jim | -y to apt, I think that means "when questions are asked by apt-get, automatically respond 'yes'" |
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| 06:59.24 | hypercore | thanks |
| 06:59.29 | jim | tdn, another possibility: not everything needed for nfsd to run, has been completely started yet |
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| 07:01.15 | jim | hypercore, welcome |
| 07:02.00 | tdn | jim, yeah, I think that would make sense, but how to check |
| 07:02.49 | jim | one way: see what services the nfsd service waits for |
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| 07:05.26 | jim | what kind of service is the nfsd service? is it a systemd service? you said you restarted it before, what command did the restart? |
| 07:06.41 | tdn | service nfs-kernel-server restart |
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| 07:07.19 | jim | that seems like it's not a systemd service |
| 07:07.40 | tdn | It might be. I just use service $service restart of old habit. |
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| 07:10.08 | jim | some systemd services can be restarted the way you did it... what it does, probably, is it calls the systemd equiv in the scripot (which I believe is called /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server) |
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| 08:15.19 | d3lphi | hey all. Is it safe to "apt-get remove --auto-remove dbus" on a Debian Stretch system? This command would remove the packages "dbus dbus-user-session dbus-x11 libpam-systemd policykit-1" from my system. Do I really need DBUS or may I remove it safely ? |
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| 08:30.31 | EdePopede | hello. 'aptitude why' is quite useless, 'apt-cache --installed rdepends' noisy and all but clear. is there a tool which allows crossing dependeny trees like `ls` does for file systems? |
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| 08:33.40 | lupulo | EdePopede, dpkg is the backend tool |
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| 08:33.52 | d3lphi | hey all. Is it safe to "apt-get remove --auto-remove dbus" on a Debian Stretch system? This command would remove the packages "dbus dbus-user-session dbus-x11 libpam-systemd policykit-1" from my system. Do I really need DBUS or may I remove it safely ? |
| 08:35.04 | jelly | d3lphi: if you don't use systemd or gnome you might not need it |
| 08:35.17 | d3lphi | jelly: I use systemd |
| 08:35.35 | jelly | in that case, do not remove it |
| 08:36.10 | jelly | (I'm a bit surprised apt lets you...) |
| 08:36.23 | d3lphi | jelly: is there a way to check if dbus really is needed on my system that runs systemd? I also tried "apt-cache rdepends --installed dbus" but it just resolves the dependencies already listed in my initial question. |
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| 08:37.14 | d3lphi | jelly: yes, I just entered "apt-get remove dbus" and then entered [N]o |
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| 08:37.55 | jelly | d3lphi: it's a dependency for lots of systemd functionality. systemd package Recommends: dbus, and I have no idea what's going to break |
| 08:38.05 | d3lphi | hmm...alright |
| 08:38.23 | jelly | "why do you want to do that" |
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| 08:40.32 | d3lphi | to get rid of unneeded ballast. It's also generating some log entries which are not self-explained (e.g. dbus[718]: [system] Reloaded configuration) |
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| 08:45.23 | EdePopede | lupulo: dpkg seems to work on files, not on packages. so i have to find out the path to the archive file first or redownload it from the repo. the only "action" i found anyway is from dpkg-deb: '-I' |
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| 08:46.28 | lupulo | EdePopede, dpkg --get-selections |
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| 08:46.54 | lupulo | EdePopede, depends information could be a file too |
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| 09:07.05 | EdePopede | lupulo: i'm only interrested in the rdeps of a package, no matter if only one level deep, but i'd like to have them all. aptitude shows only one twig, apt-cache spams my terminal faster than i can kill it. i think i'll try apt-rdepends. had no idea it exists. or that there are 30+ more apt-* packages i haven't installed Oo |
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| 09:08.15 | EdePopede | "As well, it can generate .dot graphs, much like apt-cache in dotty mode" <-- aha. sounds interresting. i was thinking of xfig before |
| 09:08.18 | at0m | EdePopede: re: apt-cache spams my terminal faster than i can kill it. then pipe it to less. |
| 09:08.56 | EdePopede | i didn't expect it to spit out thousands of lines after aptitude needed only a dozen or so |
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| 09:09.59 | lupulo | EdePopede, i says to you if you'll download with apt-get source package, inside https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#document-ch-relationships |
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| 09:10.12 | EdePopede | especially most of them are repeated from 2 to 20 or more times (why?) |
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| 09:19.54 | dracc | After running certain commands, my terminal emulator sometimes stop putting newlines on long arguments. Any ideas for a fix, except the obvious of restarting the terminal? |
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| 09:22.50 | dionysus69 | mm debian freezes on me, which log file should I look for? |
| 09:23.04 | dracc | "certain commands" - it's most noticable when I run qemu |
| 09:23.18 | dionysus69 | - /var/log/kern.log didn't show any logs at the time of freeze |
| 09:23.24 | dracc | dionysus69, I'd start with /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog |
| 09:23.31 | dionysus69 | ok thanks |
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| 09:24.42 | nku | dionysus69: what do you mean by freeze? |
| 09:24.52 | dionysus69 | working normally and boom freeze |
| 09:25.00 | dionysus69 | even REISUB can't function |
| 09:25.01 | nku | dionysus69: yes, but does it recover? |
| 09:25.03 | nku | ok |
| 09:25.03 | dionysus69 | total system failure |
| 09:25.10 | dionysus69 | no doesnt recover |
| 09:25.14 | nku | sounds like bad hardware |
| 09:25.20 | dionysus69 | :D dunno |
| 09:25.26 | dionysus69 | just a x1 carbon laptop |
| 09:25.30 | nku | ouch |
| 09:25.36 | nku | in warranty? |
| 09:25.37 | dionysus69 | not buying lenovo anymore |
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| 09:25.51 | dionysus69 | no but it's kernel problem or some other driver issue |
| 09:25.59 | dionysus69 | it's been working fine |
| 09:26.06 | nku | well then just downgrade the kernel? |
| 09:26.08 | dracc | dionysus69, I'm sorry to hear that. :o What kernel version are you on? |
| 09:26.24 | dionysus69 | 4.15.0-3-amd64 |
| 09:26.29 | emu_rider | x1 carbon here as well (on unstable), havent seen any problems |
| 09:26.35 | emu_rider | im using KDE if that helps |
| 09:26.49 | dionysus69 | I am on testing gnome, it could be gnome problem |
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| 09:28.18 | emu_rider | If trying another terminal emulator or DE and still have the same problem, then ... I dont know |
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| 09:29.41 | dionysus69 | dunno, kinda like gnome compared to competition |
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| 09:29.57 | dionysus69 | there should be a consensus about DE in linux world |
| 09:30.01 | dionysus69 | it is a disaster |
| 09:30.35 | dionysus69 | make a linux world conference and decide on a new DE from scratch |
| 09:30.51 | dionysus69 | I can start organizing |
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| 09:31.57 | emu_rider | I guess it's good to have choices, and everyone can just use the ones that matches their workflow |
| 09:32.01 | EdePopede | dionysus69: have the same problem here. stoneage pc with a cheap GT630, starts overheating around 50-60°C. personnaly i'd blame nvidia. when i have a terminal in sight... sometimes.. but only sometimes... i can see it dump some lines. and REISUB may work or not. |
| 09:33.34 | emu_rider | I'd say try and klll some processes ? just dont kill the important ones i guess |
| 09:33.44 | EdePopede | oh. the image in the sidebar on https://packages.debian.org/sid/graphviz is made using graphviz? xfig seems to be sth different |
| 09:33.48 | emu_rider | probably might help reducing load from cpi |
| 09:33.51 | emu_rider | cpu |
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| 09:35.17 | lupulo | EdePopede, dpkg-depcheck |
| 09:35.18 | EdePopede | conky in a sidebar with some sensors, load gauges and a tasklist is really helpful with unstable systems |
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| 09:38.07 | EdePopede | lupulo: thanks. of course... => Package: devscripts // State: not installed. well hidden. |
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| 09:38.32 | lupulo | EdePopede, not for good people :-) |
| 09:38.43 | EdePopede | wait what? 29 new dependencies? OO |
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| 09:39.59 | EdePopede | lupulo, i can't even keep overview on the (relatively!) few deb/apt- commands i could use atm. it's a jungle, where's the machete? |
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| 09:51.35 | dionysus69 | at0m: I know of that problem but, I am talking about real real standard |
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| 09:52.02 | dionysus69 | if you can't get majority follow your idea, then don't start it and that meme problem won't exist |
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| 09:52.21 | hop | i'm connecting to a server where i am very limited. the only available locale there (other than C) is utf-8 based. there are lots of files with names encoded in latin1. how can i force bash and ls to not replace latin1 characters with `?` ? |
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| 09:52.38 | hop | alternatively, how can i use luit to interpret the output of `ls -b` ? |
| 09:52.43 | hop | or _something_ |
| 09:52.56 | garries | I have an old Sony Vaio VGN-FZ21M. would it support a 64 bit debian 9 ? |
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| 09:54.14 | hop | garries: it should. giving it a try won't hurt, in any case |
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| 09:55.22 | garries | hop: I have have an even older FZ11E vaio. should i try a 64 bit on that one as well ? |
| 09:55.52 | hop | garries: look up the cpu |
| 09:56.07 | emu_rider | If debian doesn't work, there are debian based derivative that focus on hold machines |
| 09:56.30 | garries | hop: Core 2 Duo T7100 |
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| 09:57.01 | garries | hop: Intel Core 2 Duo T7100 / 1.8 GHz |
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| 10:00.29 | garries | 64 bit debian 9 should work fine on Intel Core 2 Duo T7100 / 1.8 GHz , right ? |
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| 10:02.40 | dracc | garries, I guess so, yes. |
| 10:02.57 | garries | dracc: thx |
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| 10:03.44 | emu_rider | I guess one way to find out |
| 10:03.48 | EdePopede | at0m: same for irc. "Oh, most channels have mostly abandoned BNCs nowadays. I'll make a new channel where the active users will meet each other!" 2 month later: owner, 3 bots, 5 active users, 3 not overused BNCs in the new channel. seen it all before ;) |
| 10:03.54 | dracc | garries, I would suggest a lightweight DE though, such as xfce or others. :) |
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| 10:04.17 | emu_rider | if it doesnt work then go puppy linux, then if that doesnt work...there is always uh tiny core linux |
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| 10:05.01 | dracc | dionysus69, You're joking, right? |
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| 10:05.29 | dionysus69 | about what ? ^.^ |
| 10:05.32 | EdePopede | dionysus69: consent would include banning kde and gnome. they are too bloated for an old computer. |
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| 10:05.56 | dionysus69 | I am not talking about banning |
| 10:05.58 | EdePopede | uses xfce for exactly this reason after the years of KDE2 |
| 10:06.06 | dionysus69 | I am talking about realizing that neither of those have enough support |
| 10:06.16 | dionysus69 | and to unite forces and have a one solid DE |
| 10:06.23 | dionysus69 | toy DEs would always exist |
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| 10:06.31 | EdePopede | having only one means abandoning the others |
| 10:06.33 | dionysus69 | but bulk of people would use a DE that works |
| 10:06.40 | dracc | EdePopede, Welcome to xfce, the light side. :D |
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| 10:06.46 | dionysus69 | others would exist but would be smaller |
| 10:06.49 | EdePopede | bows |
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| 10:06.55 | dionysus69 | because smaller amount of people would use it |
| 10:07.08 | EdePopede | that's free market, the actual situation ;) |
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| 10:07.12 | dionysus69 | I dont really care for DE to be honest, I just want it to work and have workspaces |
| 10:07.22 | dionysus69 | and some shortcuts |
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| 10:07.31 | dracc | dionysus69, Or you let people decide themselves and have a default on your distro, such as most already does. |
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| 10:07.59 | EdePopede | actually you're not talking of repartitioning the cake, you only want bigger pieces. which means, a bigger cake => moa devs! |
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| 10:08.23 | dionysus69 | different distros should have same DE, they can work whatever they want on backend but they should have common DE to be adoptable by mass market |
| 10:08.35 | emu_rider | If you only have 1 DE how is it going to handle floating + all the types of tiling methods at the same time, while being lightweight at the same time |
| 10:08.56 | dionysus69 | it will have tiers |
| 10:09.06 | emu_rider | but also has to be beginner friendly but also highly configurable |
| 10:09.11 | dionysus69 | lightweight tier, and installable modules for those who want more features |
| 10:09.38 | dracc | dionysus69, You make it sound like PCSX2 philosophy, and that worked out... great? nah. |
| 10:09.59 | EdePopede | emu_rider: this actually *is* possible. don't remember what it was, but there was a config dialog where in the 1st tab you could choose your level of experience and thus more settings |
| 10:10.22 | dionysus69 | ah well, I tried :D |
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| 10:10.55 | dionysus69 | I am not a DE dev, if I were though, I would become an activist rather than sit in a dark room and develop new DE |
| 10:11.00 | EdePopede | "one fits all" unluckily doesn't fit. not even in china. |
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| 10:11.39 | EdePopede | if it is a problem at all. evolution isn't all that bad |
| 10:11.41 | dionysus69 | if whole world uses shitty DE experience windows offers, open source community would achieve that level in less than a year |
| 10:12.56 | EdePopede | windows is used because games and office and exchange. |
| 10:12.56 | dionysus69 | evolution is slow and wastes people's lives, you shouldnt apply biological evolution which you cannot avoid to everything else you can actually control |
| 10:12.56 | EdePopede | you can't control unless you forbid other concepts than your own. |
| 10:13.11 | EdePopede | was dos/windows first there or linux? |
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| 10:14.01 | EdePopede | why did linus waste his time in his room instead of doing parties? |
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| 10:15.18 | dionysus69 | Linus did well |
| 10:15.28 | emu_rider | EdePopede: Yea that's what I'm saying dude |
| 10:15.30 | dionysus69 | he created a platform alike to what I am talking about |
| 10:15.38 | dionysus69 | others failed to create nice DE |
| 10:15.48 | emu_rider | I think we all need to go party, like no joke |
| 10:15.58 | dionysus69 | we historically missed second linus who would have worked on a DE |
| 10:15.59 | EdePopede | take the usual example, cars, or even hammers: different variation of tools for different needs. and if you want one for all purposes (in german "eierlegende Wollmilchsau", google it), you'll end up with a dinosaur suffocating itself. |
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| 10:16.45 | dionysus69 | I don't see linux suffocating itself, and it can be used for all purposes |
| 10:16.47 | EdePopede | dionysus69: Matthias Ettrich |
| 10:16.53 | dionysus69 | same can apply to DE |
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| 10:19.47 | EdePopede | the kernel is much bigger than 10 or 20 years ago. and complexity grows much faster than size. DEs are around the core and thus much bigger, unless you keep out functionality. as i said, i abandoned KDE years ago. too bloated. lots of nice features, i miss some on XFCE, but with dualcore and 2gb ram it is no option. |
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| 10:21.37 | EdePopede | and what if a user doesn't like gnome's philosophy of removing configuration options? what if i want to keep my X in the title bar and the abort button in the dialogs? |
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| 10:22.13 | EdePopede | personnaly i'd even want to remove C-w from hexchat -.- |
| 10:22.23 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 10:22.43 | dionysus69 | I am not saying new DE won't have those options, it would be a an additional module though. Shouldn't be default |
| 10:22.55 | dionysus69 | most people will be fine with a close button located, anywhere |
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| 10:23.02 | dionysus69 | ok :D |
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| 10:24.24 | emu_rider | EdePopede, KDE isn't too bloated, Im sure there are worst |
| 10:24.48 | zamuro | Brace yourself... flood attack is coming. |
| 10:24.51 | emu_rider | but then I built mine up from TTY, and didnt just get the KDE metapackage |
| 10:25.59 | emu_rider | is it called TTY? that terminal thing you get after selecting just install the system utils tool and nothing else |
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| 10:26.42 | EdePopede | ah, dependencies. this one gives me a nice overview, for 1 package atm, but that's fine for the moment: apt-rdepends -d --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Installed -r "$REPLY" > "$REPLY".dot |
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| 10:39.40 | peterandre | hi, how do i install easy-rsa 2.0 , i don't have the 2.0 folder |
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| 10:43.52 | jelly | ,v easy-rsa |
| 10:43.53 | judd | Package: easy-rsa on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.2.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.2-1; buster: 2.2.2-2; sid: 2.2.2-2; stretch: 2.2.2-2 |
| 10:44.18 | jelly | looks like there's a package for that already? |
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| 10:47.10 | peterandre | ok thx |
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| 11:04.13 | kazdax | does the touch screen work with debian :? |
| 11:04.24 | kazdax | or are different touch screens need different drivers |
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| 11:13.13 | Thasan_ | for some reason I cant install libsdl-image1.2 to my jessie, it says "Package libsdl-image1.2 is not available, but is referred to by another package." but its listed here: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libsdl-image1.2 |
| 11:14.15 | jelly | Thasan_: probably an old build from a previous release, what do you need it for? |
| 11:14.21 | jelly | ,v libsdl-image1.2 |
| 11:14.22 | judd | Package: libsdl-image1.2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.12-2; wheezy-security: 1.2.12-2+deb7u2; jessie: 1.2.12-5+b5; stretch: 1.2.12-5+b8; buster: 1.2.12-8; sid: 1.2.12-8 |
| 11:14.47 | jelly | or not. Make sure your mirror sources are complete |
| 11:14.53 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 11:14.53 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 11:17.49 | Thasan_ | sources seems to be ok |
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| 11:21.12 | Thasan_ | I need that to get Dwarf Fortress server work |
| 11:21.48 | Thasan_ | but I'm not sure is that even right version, just got message from friend that he cant get it work because of that library |
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| 11:23.15 | EdePopede | just purged udisks with gvfs(-daemons) et.al. being autoremoved. /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd and another one still kept running, shouldn't uninstall stop these first in prerm? |
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| 11:41.33 | EdePopede | fasdfd: i have apache, but the situation shouldn't be too different. my original conf is untouched, all my changes are in included files. package updates would reset your changes in the original anyway i think. |
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| 12:03.11 | giesgnlk | hi, is the following valid in the /etc/network/interfaces configuration: "address 10.10.10.12/24" without the netmask line? i can't find it in the documentation anywhere |
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| 12:05.49 | jelly | giesgnlk: it's valid in debian 9. |
| 12:06.14 | jelly | maybe even earlier. man 5 interfaces |
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| 12:22.04 | garries | I burned the debian9 iso on a usb and it doesnt boot. I've used dd. what could it be? |
| 12:22.43 | noodlepie | Did you set the USB stick as the boot device in your system BIOS |
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| 12:23.36 | abrotman | garries: which dd command did you use? |
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| 12:24.22 | garries | abrotman: sudo dd if=debian9.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M status=progress |
| 12:24.27 | noodlepie | Poweroff, Insert USB stick, power on and choose it - the usb stick - as the boot device. |
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| 12:27.09 | garries | noodlepie: i did setup usb as boot in bios. but when i power up it just skips the usb and windows tried to start up (that machine had windows on it now) |
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| 12:30.09 | ledeni | garries, poweroff windows like shift+shut-down |
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| 12:30.33 | EdePopede | maybe wrong boot order? and if nothing helps => boot menu (F8 or so) |
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| 12:31.14 | garries | ledeni: it was off from the power button |
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| 12:31.45 | ledeni | garries,win10? |
| 12:31.46 | garries | also, on my 2nd laptop. the usb stick also doesnt boot up. |
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| 12:32.32 | garries | ledeni: the machine should boot up from the usb stick, no matter if its win 10 or 1000 |
| 12:33.23 | ledeni | garries,jf is win10 need to cold shut-down |
| 12:33.55 | garries | ledeni: then why it also doesnt boot up on this main machine which is debian wheezy |
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| 12:34.31 | garries | how can i test if the iso have been burned correctly? |
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| 12:34.53 | noodlepie | garries, Do you have a cdrom burner? You could try ISO-CDROM boot instead - its unlikely the USB is broken though so you may wish to persevere with it. |
| 12:35.46 | garries | noodlepie: i dont have bank dvd. also, the usb stick is brand new unsealed today |
| 12:35.46 | noodlepie | I have Debian installer on my 256Gb key-fob USB stick. it's always useful. |
| 12:36.07 | noodlepie | hmm, maybe try formatting it and dd-ing to it again? |
| 12:36.35 | garries | noodlepie: i was thinking to use the windowss machine and butn again using nero. what do u think of it? |
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| 12:36.57 | noodlepie | You could also try a virtual machine which could boot the ISO and let your configure what you need to before starting your system proper |
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| 12:39.08 | ledeni | garries,did you check iso with SHA256SUMS |
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| 12:41.09 | noodlepie | garries, yeah. but I'd avoid proprietary software at all costs. Try rewriting the USB stick before rebooting it. The USB stick should work as long as the data is intact. |
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| 12:41.53 | garries | ledeni: this is how the usb looks like. https://i.paste.pics/95496cd39dd2c7e44767d5a8438a556e.png |
| 12:42.18 | garries | does it look right? |
| 12:44.25 | wgas | garries> have you tried windows >advanced settings > > > >boot from usb device? i had pc recently that would only boot usb that way |
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| 12:45.22 | garries | wgas: will try |
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| 13:12.19 | fasdfd | <EdePopede>, I tried creating a /etc/nginx/conf.d/local.conf file, but nginx complains it has duplicate ssl_protocols and gzip directives, theya re also present in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf, what should I do about this? |
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| 13:15.04 | ne2k | what is the canonical way to get both static and dhcp addresses on one interface in linux (fupdown) these days? I've read that auto eth0 eth0:0; iface eth0 inet dhcp; iface eth0:0 inet static; should do the trick, but the static address doesn't get assigned if the dhcp doesn't work |
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| 13:16.42 | celyr | the other way around ? |
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| 13:17.13 | celyr | iface eth0 inet static; iface eth0:0 inet dhcp |
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| 13:21.29 | ne2k | celyr, no, that doesn't work. it doesn't like dhcp on aliases (people mention this online too) |
| 13:21.39 | oct2pus | does debian only transition to LTS releases of KDE software in testing/sid |
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| 13:22.12 | oct2pus | im debating a reinstall and im trying to fight off shiny new thing syndrome |
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| 13:22.53 | celyr | ne2k, yeah coz you would have to change mac address |
| 13:23.11 | edj | installed stretch. is it possible to install jessie from a netinst cd I have? I don't think so, but no harm in asking. If not, what about removing kde5 and installing kde4? |
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| 13:23.32 | celyr | so that is the solution, if you have to bind before the dhcp address otherwise you will not get it (because that mac already has an ip address) |
| 13:23.59 | celyr | change mac address of your alias interface |
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| 13:26.22 | noodlepie | Our communal Debian PC updated correctly today. Woohoo! @:P-~ |
| 13:26.22 | oct2pus | i think you want a debian specific solution but i think opensuse still maintains a kde4 repo for people who want it https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:KDE4 |
| 13:26.35 | oct2pus | edj |
| 13:26.40 | ne2k | celyr, I'm confused by what you're saying |
| 13:26.49 | oct2pus | im no suse expert tho so take my word with a grain of salt |
| 13:27.23 | blaztek | edj: can you use the netinst cd from jessie (instead of stretch)?....if not, use the netinst cd and, before you do the install, go into /etc/apt - the sources files and change to jessie..then do the install after that |
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| 13:30.02 | ne2k | celyr, have to bind what before dhcp? |
| 13:30.30 | edj | blaztek, I have a jessie netinst cd, but when it goes out to grab packages, is there a repository there? |
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| 13:31.16 | blaztek | edj: let me check but, yes, it should definitely be there |
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| 13:33.20 | blaztek | edj: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie - it's all there |
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| 13:35.53 | edj | blaztek, so I can just stick the jessie cd in and go ahead from there. right? |
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| 13:40.27 | jelly | ,v slapd |
| 13:40.28 | judd | Package: slapd on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.31-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.4.31-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 2.4.31+really2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 2.4.44+dfsg-5+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.44+dfsg-5+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.4.45+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.45+dfsg-1; sid: 2.4.45+dfsg-1 |
| 13:40.42 | blaztek | edj: exactly! |
| 13:41.25 | blaztek | edj: have fun |
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| 13:42.16 | edj | blaztek, thanks a lot. |
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| 13:58.35 | emu_rider | Does anyone know if there is a way to use RHEL without paying? |
| 13:58.54 | emu_rider | I would like to give it a try |
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| 14:00.20 | karlpinc | emu_rider: Ask in #centos. FWIW, we prefer debian here for reasons you can ask about if you care to. |
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| 14:01.43 | emu_rider | karlpinc: Yea I'll give it a try |
| 14:02.38 | emu_rider | It seems like a popular choice in the commercial world |
| 14:02.51 | emu_rider | Would like to learn a bit about it while im still studying |
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| 14:04.02 | karlpinc | emu_rider: Yes. One reason RHEL is popular is because companies think that because they pay for something they're getting something valuable. |
| 14:04.50 | karlpinc | emu_rider: There can be valid reasons to use anything, even Microsoft. |
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| 14:07.21 | emu_rider | Yea don't get me wrong, open source is great. Though on the other hand, if payment is required then devs / orgs / companies are given another reason to work on improving their products right? |
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| 14:08.01 | emu_rider | Because companies need profits and employeers need to put food on the table you feel me? |
| 14:08.03 | karlpinc | emu_rider: Probably a conversation for #debian-offtopic. |
| 14:08.21 | emu_rider | Alright my bad |
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| 14:11.51 | noodlepie | microsoft of a cancerous virus |
| 14:12.56 | noodlepie | to them, "business interests" will always win over the technical, in a company. Thank God we have a community out here. Our interests tend to be pure! @:P-~ |
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| 14:35.32 | arkoldthos | emu_rider, development license? |
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| 14:38.40 | blaztek | ^ |
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| 14:39.06 | blaztek | just join the dev part of RHEL - or use CentOS |
| 14:40.18 | blaztek | https://developers.redhat.com/downloads/ |
| 14:41.11 | jelly | but centos is completely different! It has a blue splash screen |
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| 14:43.48 | emu_rider | blaztek, Thank you! Ill go make an account now |
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| 14:45.34 | blaztek | emu_rider: #rhel - not here |
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| 14:47.04 | u0_a81 | yo |
| 14:47.21 | u0_a81 | rehe wa |
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| 15:08.20 | DammitJim | what should I look for in terms of running X on debian with an nvidia card? |
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| 15:08.40 | DammitJim | I just installed the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package |
| 15:08.50 | DammitJim | I can see the slim screen, but I can't type anything to log in |
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| 15:10.26 | blaztek | DammitJim: I think most people would install the nvidia non-open source drivers - you do that from the command line anyway |
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| 15:11.08 | greycat | I'd figure out what card it is, then figure out what the wiki says to do for that specific card on this specific Debian release. |
| 15:11.36 | DammitJim | I found out that it's supported by the nouveau drivers |
| 15:11.42 | DammitJim | but I don't know where to go from here after installing that package |
| 15:13.26 | blaztek | you just installed the nouveau drivers....then maybe you need to tell X to use them... |
| 15:13.44 | DammitJim | the crazy thing is that apparently there is no xorg.conf |
| 15:14.02 | greycat | There hasn't been for many years. |
| 15:14.31 | greycat | !xorg.conf |
| 15:14.32 | dpkg | From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>. |
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| 15:17.08 | DammitJim | right |
| 15:17.17 | DammitJim | so, I don't know where to look for what's been loaded |
| 15:17.29 | greycat | the Xorg.0.log file, usually |
| 15:17.44 | DammitJim | ah |
| 15:17.55 | blaztek | DammitJim: X -configure |
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| 15:18.19 | vrd1 | They bought a dell server poweredge t430 with raid card. Dell website says it has compatibility with ubuntu server, aside redhat and suse, but says nothing about debian. Anyone happens to know if debian is compatible with this kind of server? |
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| 15:18.46 | DammitJim | X -configure on the terminal? |
| 15:18.49 | DammitJim | thanks blaztek |
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| 15:20.19 | jelly | vrd1: it's very likely it works if it's a proper hardware raid controller, esp. if it works with older versions of those distros like ubuntu 16.04 or 14.04, or RHEL 6 |
| 15:20.44 | EdePopede | fasdfd: maybe try to not double what exists yet. should have no reason to complain then. |
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| 15:29.55 | vrd1 | jelly: at most it says "support for Ubuntu LTS for 14th generation PowerEdge servers" |
| 15:30.06 | vrd1 | and it's a link for a pdf document |
| 15:30.22 | jelly | and the document says what |
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| 15:30.53 | jelly | ubuntu lts is 16.04 so that has mostly older versions of stuff than debian 9 |
| 15:31.19 | vrd1 | jelly: so that's potentially good? |
| 15:31.29 | jelly | yes |
| 15:31.30 | celyr | ne2k, If you want a static ip you can't bind it before you got the dhcp on the same mac address |
| 15:31.54 | ne2k | celyr, but why? |
| 15:32.27 | celyr | because dhcp server will check and not offer any ip in that case ? |
| 15:32.57 | ne2k | celyr, wut. what on earth does the DHCP server know about what other IP address I have assigned to my interface as a client? |
| 15:33.20 | ne2k | celyr, I am getting the impression that you perhaps don't know anything about this |
| 15:33.34 | celyr | okay |
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| 15:34.56 | Akuw | is possible to run a task in crontab each 10 seconds? |
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| 15:35.28 | jelly | Akuw: no |
| 15:35.28 | greycat | no |
| 15:35.36 | Akuw | ok |
| 15:35.45 | Akuw | minimun is 1 minute right? |
| 15:35.50 | Ool | yes |
| 15:35.52 | ne2k | Akuw, what are you trying to do every ten seconds? |
| 15:36.00 | Akuw | just testing |
| 15:36.21 | petn-randall | Akuw: testing cron? |
| 15:36.28 | jelly | it's possible to set up six jobs, each sleeping 0, 10, 20... 50 seconds before running something |
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| 15:37.09 | jelly | systemd timer units might have more resolution |
| 15:37.13 | greycat | If you need something to run every 10 seconds, don't even use cron for it. Write a program that runs forever and sleeps 10 seconds between loop iterations. |
| 15:37.18 | Akuw | yes that could be a solution |
| 15:37.30 | Akuw | ok |
| 15:37.49 | ne2k | jelly: yuk ;-) |
| 15:38.23 | Tenkawa | or one cron job that puts a sleep in |
| 15:38.30 | jelly | the naive approach will have executions slide over time |
| 15:38.31 | Tenkawa | script based |
| 15:38.45 | Tenkawa | with a step based loop approach |
| 15:38.48 | jelly | Tenkawa: then that one job has to run something six times |
| 15:38.54 | Tenkawa | with error handling |
| 15:38.55 | greycat | jelly: which may be OK. We don't know the problem spec. |
| 15:39.00 | ne2k | jelly, that may or may not matter two hoots, depending on the situation |
| 15:39.11 | jelly | !wayttd |
| 15:39.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 15:39.21 | greycat | because why would anyone ever tell us what the problem is? we should be able to guess. |
| 15:39.28 | Tenkawa | jelly: yeah.. probably overengineered |
| 15:39.41 | ne2k | dpkg, greycat, the problem is can you make cron run something every ten seconds. the answer is no. move on |
| 15:39.41 | dpkg | ne2k: what are you talking about? |
| 15:39.46 | Tenkawa | you know me |
| 15:40.00 | jelly | more than one way to skin that cat |
| 15:40.04 | greycat | hey! |
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| 15:40.27 | ne2k | dpkg, executions sliding over time may or may not matter, depending on what the actual situation is |
| 15:40.27 | dpkg | ne2k: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 15:40.32 | greycat | Don't make me get the jar! |
| 15:40.38 | ne2k | dpkg, wut |
| 15:40.38 | dpkg | It's 'what', you idiot. See also <wat>. |
| 15:40.58 | jelly | dpkg: what are you |
| 15:40.58 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 15:41.00 | ne2k | OMG I just realized I've been talking to a bot |
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| 15:41.07 | ne2k | lol |
| 15:42.31 | BanHammor | a person who claims wut is equivalent to what is probably not that literate themselves, honestly |
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| 15:43.42 | ne2k | BanHammor, who claimed that? |
| 15:44.04 | BanHammor | the bot, duh :) |
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| 15:51.30 | vrd1 | jelly: lol, dell chat support just said "Debian has not been officially tested, it's not confirmed whether it works or not". |
| 15:51.34 | vrd1 | WTF |
| 15:52.04 | greycat | Standard corporate non-answer to avoid liability. |
| 15:52.32 | greycat | I agree with jelly's earlier answer -- if it works on Ununtu 16.x then it probably works on stretch. |
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| 15:52.56 | roylaprattep | while true ; do ./your-script & sleep 5; done |
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| 15:53.34 | greycat | and then tomorrow there are 17500 of them trying to run all at once.... |
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| 15:54.31 | vrd1 | ok, thanks all for the thumbs up attempt, but still means I'm strictly alone on this....... |
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| 15:55.05 | greycat | you can google to see if anyone else reported a Debian install on this hardware |
| 15:55.16 | roylaprattep | Akuw: You could use the GNU package mcron, a "Vixie cron" alternative. |
| 15:57.04 | roylaprattep | Akuw: Or Quartz. |
| 15:57.51 | jelly | greycat: with the caveat that ubuntu is a slightly commercial distro that fixes lots of hw support on the side, and debian mostly fixes what is reported |
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| 15:58.13 | vrd1 | greycat: googling until now has returned little to no results, though still trying |
| 15:58.16 | greycat | Sure. No promises until someone actually tests it. |
| 15:58.30 | jelly | vrd1: if you can get the PCI ID of the card in question, that can answer whether there's a driver at all |
| 15:58.32 | EdePopede | jelly: i'd set up a master script with a loop which starts a worker each 10s in the background. they loop until $(time +%s) ends on 0 and *then* they start their one time job. |
| 15:58.42 | jelly | vrd1: output of lspci -nn |
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| 16:00.42 | vrd1 | jelly: i know how to use lspci, but how can i filter for raid cards? |
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| 16:01.53 | noodlepie | lspci -v | grep -4 -i RAID |
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| 16:02.49 | vrd1 | what's the -4 option for? |
| 16:02.57 | EdePopede | argh. so sorry. Akuw: i'd set up a master script with a loop which starts a worker each 10s in the background. they loop until $(time +%s) ends on 0 and *then* they start their one time job. |
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| 16:04.22 | jelly | vrd1: eh, just find the LSI thingy in there or pastebin everything and let someone here identify the card |
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| 16:04.45 | jelly | assuming Dell is still using LSI-based controllers |
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| 16:06.00 | vrd1 | ok |
| 16:06.19 | tw | they are. |
| 16:06.55 | Akuw | thanks EdePopede |
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| 16:30.18 | fasdfd | EdePopede, I can't, as I shouldn't edit nginx.conf file and these directives already exist there. |
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| 16:30.59 | EdePopede | fasdfd: i meant, don't repeat them in your local.conf |
| 16:31.15 | fasdfd | How do I change them then EdePopede? |
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| 16:33.12 | EdePopede | fasdfd> <EdePopede>, I tried creating a /etc/nginx/conf.d/local.conf file, but nginx complains it has duplicate ssl_protocols and gzip directives, theya re also present in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf --SNAP-- that sounds like you were repeating settings from .conf in your local.conf |
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| 16:34.55 | EdePopede | fasdfd: but maybe #nginx would be a better place? |
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| 16:36.30 | fasdfd | they don't know in #nginx. Yup, I was repeating them, because I wanted to change them, fe. nginx.conf has gzip on; and I want gzip off;, so I have to repeat gzip. |
| 16:37.16 | simbalion` | Hi, I'm running Debian 9 and Openbox. I've got tint2 running for a taskbar/systray and it shows a google chrome icon but I can't find any processes named google or chrome or similar... I only have chrome installed for rare testing purposes, can I get rid of this systray icon? |
| 16:38.01 | jordanm | I can't imagine why anyone would want gzip off. gzip only occurs if the client explicitly requests compressed data |
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| 16:38.53 | ghostyy | hi, i am getting this error [ 4773.272338] print_req_error: critical medium error, dev nvme0n1, sector 517344 |
| 16:39.04 | ghostyy | it prints about 20 lines every 5 seconds |
| 16:39.08 | jordanm | simbalion`: can you click on it and uncheck "let google chrome run in the background"? |
| 16:39.09 | ghostyy | what does this mean, is my SSD failing? |
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| 16:39.57 | simbalion` | jordanm: No if I left click it starts chrome and if I right click I get the openbox menu |
| 16:40.13 | simbalion` | but if it's running why can't I find a process |
| 16:40.33 | jordanm | ghostyy: yeah, or some kind of other connection problem. with sata it could mean a bad cable or kink in the cable, but that's unlikely for nvme |
| 16:40.35 | simbalion` | nothing matches either google or chrom |
| 16:40.49 | jordanm | ghostyy: unless it's not inserted all the way or making full contact |
| 16:40.51 | ghostyy | welp |
| 16:40.56 | ghostyy | it just randomly started doing this |
| 16:41.02 | jordanm | simbalion`: how are you searching? |
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| 16:41.14 | ghostyy | so i dont think its related to cabling |
| 16:41.33 | simbalion` | jordanm: using htop or ps and grep? |
| 16:41.35 | jordanm | ghostyy: smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1 |
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| 16:41.44 | jordanm | simbalion`: what command? |
| 16:42.04 | simbalion` | I'm searching for 'goo' or 'chrom' neither returns results. |
| 16:42.19 | jordanm | simbalion`: exactly what command are you executing? |
| 16:42.29 | simbalion` | ... |
| 16:42.35 | simbalion` | I'm using htop, are you familiar with htop? |
| 16:42.39 | simbalion` | F4 = search |
| 16:42.42 | jordanm | no |
| 16:42.53 | ghostyy | https://bpaste.net/show/f2556cbffadc |
| 16:42.55 | simbalion` | it's a fancier top |
| 16:42.57 | jordanm | try ps aux | grep -i google |
| 16:43.14 | fasdfd | jordanm, because I don't need it and it's a security threat? |
| 16:43.24 | simbalion` | if there were any processed named google htop would find them with 'goo' but I also manually inspected the entire process tree. There's nothing. |
| 16:43.28 | rant | is there a signal I can send to an app to make it exit normally as it would if I just hit the X on the window? |
| 16:43.32 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: likely; I'd try running smartctl on that device to see what is going on |
| 16:43.46 | simbalion` | Hrrmmm... I think I know whats going on |
| 16:43.50 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: assuming it supports smart, anyway |
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| 16:43.57 | simbalion` | I use QuiteRSS and I think it must use Chrome for it's embedded browser... |
| 16:44.03 | ghostyy | it says "passed" but also that it has 38k media and data integrity errors |
| 16:44.16 | simbalion` | In XFCE that wouldn't cause the chrome icon to appear but in Openbox I guess it does |
| 16:44.39 | rant | I just keep noticing the "recent" locations in this app are not being saved and I think its due to the fact that my script just stops the DM and slays the user and apparently the app only saves that stuff when it exits normally |
| 16:44.45 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: yeah; the fact that most of the errors are in two LBAs seems suspect |
| 16:45.01 | ghostyy | what does that mean? |
| 16:45.09 | ghostyy | that only a small part of it is failing? |
| 16:45.27 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: yeah, it means that all of the errors that I can see are in 517354 and 517204 |
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| 16:45.38 | jordanm | wow, those drives run hot |
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| 16:46.04 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: considering that you've written 281 million writes, and that drive is at 97°C, it's probably about right to start seeing failures like that |
| 16:46.18 | ghostyy | ive literally had this for like, 8 months... |
| 16:46.22 | ghostyy | do they really fail that quickly? |
| 16:46.35 | ghostyy | or is it jusst that its very hot and thats caused it to fail quicker? |
| 16:46.44 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: no, but 281 million writes seems like a huge amount for 8 months |
| 16:46.51 | rant | ghostyy: a typical drive temp is more like less than half what you are seeing |
| 16:47.01 | ghostyy | i see |
| 16:47.12 | rant | 40-55degC on most machines without any special cooling measures taken |
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| 16:47.27 | ghostyy | i wonder why its so hot, i have a water cooling loop |
| 16:47.34 | rant | thats probably why then |
| 16:47.36 | ghostyy | but i guess its not a very good one, apparently |
| 16:47.48 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: or you have the loop after your main CPU |
| 16:47.52 | rant | cause you have less air flow due to using liquid cool and the liquid cooling prob dont cool the drive |
| 16:47.53 | jordanm | ghostyy: you have a water cooling block on the SSD? |
| 16:48.11 | rant | thought don has a good point as well |
| 16:48.13 | ghostyy | no on the CPU |
| 16:48.26 | ghostyy | it has a fan too, on the radiator |
| 16:48.38 | rant | yes well using liquid cooling for your CPU just reduces cooling for everything else if you dont have other cooling methods for the rest of the system |
| 16:48.48 | ghostyy | i see |
| 16:49.01 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: anyway, it's possible it's still good, given that it thinks you have 100% spare sectors remaining. |
| 16:49.01 | ghostyy | so i need to replace my ssd, and get better cooling |
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| 16:49.28 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: but you may have an LBA that didn't get written to correctly, or something like that |
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| 16:49.44 | ghostyy | i did recently reset my computer without powering it off |
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| 16:49.48 | ghostyy | er, shutting it down |
| 16:49.52 | ghostyy | since it was hardlocked |
| 16:50.06 | dondelelcaro | ghostyy: you *might* try figuring out what is at that LBA and replacing whatever was there |
| 16:50.13 | rant | a normal system without liquid cooling would have a big heatsink with a cpu fan and a case fan exhausting heat.. instead you have a small liquid cooling heatsink and your case fan has a radiator on it.. with a ton of heat sitting by it rather than just moving air out of the case its heating any air that goes through |
| 16:50.13 | ghostyy | is there a way to fix the error, if its the case that the LBA didnt get written to correctly? |
| 16:50.16 | jordanm | ghostyy: that's likely a symptom, not a cause |
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| 16:50.31 | ghostyy | ahh, i see |
| 16:50.39 | ghostyy | rant, yeah, that makes sense |
| 16:50.55 | dondelelcaro | but yeah; I'd first figure out why you're seeing 91°C at your SSD. |
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| 16:51.20 | dondelelcaro | (for reference, mine is at about 27°C right now in a laptop with no special cooling going on) |
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| 16:52.33 | rant | oh.. ssd.. yeah those should run cooler than the temps I quoted which are typical HDD temps |
| 16:52.40 | jordanm | mine are around 32, but they are sata, not nvme |
| 16:52.56 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: yeah, mine is a sata too, but my house is a bit cool right now. ;-) |
| 16:53.14 | ghostyy | i opened my case and pointed a small desk fan at it |
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| 16:53.32 | ghostyy | until i find some better way to cool it |
| 16:53.40 | ghostyy | i think i need another case |
| 16:53.58 | rant | ghostyy: wouldnt hurt to install front and back case fans and heat spreaders on ram, disks, etc |
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| 16:55.26 | rant | most tower cases sold now have space for two fans drawing air in the front by the hdds, and then one or more in the back to draw it out, creating a nice airflow |
| 16:56.25 | ghostyy | this case actually doesnt have any side vents... maybe thats why its so hot |
| 16:56.46 | ghostyy | and the front vent actually goes through the PSU (its weirdly arranged, i got it years ago) |
| 16:57.39 | ghostyy | i guess the most important question though is, do i need to replace my SSD? is it likely to complely fail any time soon? if so, when? |
| 16:57.59 | ghostyy | i guess regardless im definitely gonna start copying everything off of it |
| 16:58.35 | rant | yes thats a good idea.. to backup and plan on replacement when you start seeing errors |
| 16:59.04 | fasdfd | in fact ssds are more temperature resistant |
| 16:59.13 | fasdfd | 70C is usually ok |
| 16:59.16 | fasdfd | check your manual |
| 16:59.29 | rant | fasdfd: though it was seeing nearly 100C |
| 16:59.45 | fasdfd | check your cooling system |
| 17:00.14 | fasdfd | theres something wrong!!! |
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| 17:00.21 | ghostyy | ive gotten it down to 63C with my floor fan |
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| 17:00.31 | ghostyy | although, it still says 97C for temp sensor 2 :p |
| 17:00.43 | ghostyy | so i think that one is not working right |
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| 17:01.58 | RoyK | lmsensors is sometimes rather sketchy |
| 17:02.37 | ghostyy | yeah, i didnt realize how bad my cooling problem was because ive never actually been able to get it to work |
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| 17:03.06 | ghostyy | i didnt realize that my ssd had a temperature sensor too |
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| 17:05.04 | ghostyy | oh cool, i use zfs so it tells me what files the LBA errors occur in |
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| 17:07.41 | EdePopede | not sure if the situation can be compared, but my OS HDD (good old 80GB Seagate) had problems for some time. badblocks then solved the problem. errorfree for i think at least 2 years now. (and yes, i will install next release to what used to be my data disk for some time.) |
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| 17:08.13 | jelly | ghostyy: the commercial but free-to-use s.m.a.r.t. client "hdsentinel" can often decipher attributes more correctly than smartctl, you might get right temp info and smart error logs with that one |
| 17:08.18 | ghostyy | i have decided that my next step will be to install 4 500GB HDDs i have lying around and put them in raidz3 mode |
| 17:08.33 | ghostyy | and put my root filesystem on *that* |
| 17:08.42 | ghostyy | then i wont have to replace any disks until 3/4 of them fail |
| 17:08.53 | ghostyy | jelly, ah great! |
| 17:09.17 | jelly | or use raidz2 (if that's an equivalent of raid6) and a hot spare |
| 17:09.39 | rant | iirc from when I tried hdsentinel, its only available for x86 archs |
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| 17:09.51 | jelly | never wait with drive replacement until you're on no redundancy |
| 17:10.20 | jelly | somehow I don't think ghostyy runs zfs on a raspberry |
| 17:10.38 | rant | probably not.. :P |
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| 17:10.44 | ghostyy | lol |
| 17:11.08 | jelly | in any case, they have a couple more builds now |
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| 17:31.55 | ayee | I've noticed the main debian9 repo has all the security packages that debian-security has. What's the point of having a separate debian security line in sources.list if the same packages are in there? |
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| 17:32.27 | greycat | At any given moment, security.d.o *may* have an update that hasn't been incorporated into the main repository yet. |
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| 17:32.52 | greycat | The point releases (9.1, 9.2, etc.) typically incorporate all of the security patches, plus a few other things. |
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| 17:33.30 | greycat | ,v drupal7 |
| 17:33.31 | judd | Package: drupal7 on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.14-2+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 7.14-2+deb7u18; wheezy-backports: 7.32-1+deb8u5~bpo70+1; jessie: 7.32-1+deb8u9; jessie-proposed-updates: 7.32-1+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.32-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports: 7.52-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7.52-2+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 7.52-2+deb9u3; stretch-security: 7.52-2+deb9u4 |
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| 17:33.47 | greycat | There's an example. |
| 17:33.50 | ayee | greycat: So I'm assuming that in a practical sense, the main repo always has the security updates. but, the security.d.o team says it 'may' put them in there, but doesn't commit to doing it. |
| 17:34.06 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/security/faq |
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| 17:34.44 | greycat | You should be using main *and* security.d.o, because it can take a long time (weeks or months) before a security patch goes into main. |
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| 17:36.55 | ayee | greycat: ok, thanks for the advice! It's not clear the nuances of what you're saying from the faq. |
| 17:37.02 | ayee | I'll make sure I keep security.d.o |
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| 17:37.56 | greycat | Point release 9.4 is from March 10, so security.d.o probably has about 7 weeks worth of patches that main doesn't. |
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| 17:41.59 | ghostyy | hm... running zfs send/recv is *extremely* slow, ive copied about 1GB over the past half hour |
| 17:42.09 | ghostyy | is there a reason why reading from a (failing) ssd would be so slow? |
| 17:43.18 | ghostyy | maybe it has to do with the fact that it seems to keep trying to read from the damaged sectors (i get like, 20 read errors a second in dmesg, all from the two or so damaged sectors) |
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| 18:20.40 | NotSatoshiNakamo | Debian = best Linux distro? |
| 18:21.04 | NotSatoshiNakamo | Once installed, what happen? I can just leave it be and never worry about updating it? It will install security patches on its own, I hope? |
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| 18:32.16 | karlpinc | NotSatoshiNakamo: You can configure debian to auto-update by installing say cron-apt. (Can't say that's the best, or not.) Eventually you need to manually intervene to upgrade to the next major version. Every couple of years. |
| 18:34.56 | karlpinc | NotSatoshiNakamo: The "unattended-upgrades" package. That's what I was thinknig of. |
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| 18:35.38 | karlpinc | NotSatoshiNakamo: "Best" is a relative term. We like it for various reasons. You can ask. |
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| 18:38.19 | sake | oh, this channel is a bit bigger than the one in IRCnet |
| 18:38.39 | karlpinc | sake: Is that otfc? |
| 18:40.14 | karlpinc | NotSatoshiNakamo: Having said that. Kernel updates require reboot to take effect. So far as I know this needs manual intervention. (Maybe there's some knob to turn I don't know about.) |
| 18:40.44 | sake | otfc? |
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| 18:41.30 | greycat | oftc |
| 18:41.54 | karlpinc | sake: Might have the letters wrong. Yup. irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:42.44 | sake | no I think that's a different one |
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| 18:44.10 | NotSatoshiNakamo | :/ |
| 18:44.37 | EdePopede | karlpinc: doesn't 2.6 have a feature to change the kernel after an update on-the-fly? |
| 18:44.38 | NotSatoshiNakamo | Very disappointing to hear that I have to install extra stuff (perhaps even third-party) to not have to babysit the machine running Debian. |
| 18:45.15 | greycat | EdePopede: you're thinking of 4.x, and that was something kinda theoretical that never actually came true in real life |
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| 18:45.38 | EdePopede | oh, right. they are at 4 now :O |
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| 19:08.41 | jhutchins | NotSatoshiNakamo: I think it would be smart to try installing whatever you plan to use on a test system and see how it behaves and what it requires. |
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| 19:09.44 | jhutchins | !emdebian |
| 19:09.45 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. As of July 2014, updates to Emdebian distributions ceased, there will be no further stable releases. |
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| 19:10.01 | jhutchins | NotSatoshiNakamo: It depends a lot on what you're going to do with the system. |
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| 19:26.35 | b-04 | hello to all |
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| 19:26.44 | b-04 | how is the ipconfig /flushdns in debian? |
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| 19:27.47 | greycat | If the goal is to clear cached entries from a DNS resolver, first you would have to know where the DNS resolver *is*. Are you running one on the Debian system? Are you using one that's in a plastic router? Is the plastic router *really* running one, or does it just forward all requests to your ISP? |
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| 19:28.28 | b-04 | i have a squid in debian, and dns servers in windows server |
| 19:28.42 | greycat | Well, we probably can't help you with your windows server. |
| 19:29.07 | b-04 | but if I ping from the firewall, and one from the squid, in the squid the host ip is not updated |
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| 19:30.14 | greycat | (1) Does the host/IP pair appear in /etc/hosts? (2) What nameserver line(s) do you have in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 19:34.00 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Regards your ssh question the other day, you might find "-o StrictHostKeyChecking=no" useful. man ssh_config |
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| 19:41.58 | garries | which file system should i select when burning a live linux on the usb ? |
| 19:42.25 | mutante | nowadays you can just "cp" an .iso file |
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| 19:42.42 | mutante | for the debian installer that is |
| 19:42.46 | garries | mutante: r u sure?? |
| 19:43.21 | mutante | garries: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
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| 19:44.10 | garries | mutante: th |
| 19:44.12 | garries | thx |
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| 19:46.24 | newbie|2 | hi |
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| 19:47.58 | kos-mos_ | Do you recommend to use /dev/random or /dev/urandom (i want to use the --random-source= with shuf command) |
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| 19:48.09 | greycat | Always use /dev/urandom |
| 19:48.15 | mutante | garries: quite welcome :) |
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| 19:48.40 | greycat | urandom(4)/random(4) on stretch is quite explicit that /dev/random is deprecated. |
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| 19:54.00 | jhutchins | garries: The image is an image of a filesystem, so it overwrites any formatting or partitioning on the device. |
| 19:54.16 | kazdax | how to i drag an icon on debian kde ? |
| 19:54.19 | jhutchins | garries: You can also mount the image. |
| 19:54.32 | kazdax | it dosnt seem like windows where i would hold down the left key and drag the icon |
| 19:55.15 | kos-mos_ | thanks greycat for the tip. :) |
| 19:55.34 | kazdax | is this question suppose to be asked in KDE channel ? |
| 19:55.37 | jhutchins | kazdax: Haven't messed with kde in a while, but try the right button. |
| 19:56.14 | jhutchins | kazdax: There might be some locked icons, or you might have to go into some special "arrange desktop" mode. |
| 19:56.17 | greycat | kazdax: for simple questions like this, asking here is fine; you just have to wait until someone who knows KDE is available to answer it |
| 19:56.26 | Tenkawa | I thought you clicked and dragged |
| 19:56.42 | Tenkawa | but its been forever |
| 19:57.04 | kazdax | right i think its a special mode |
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| 20:15.42 | MACscr | hmm, my debian jessie system doesnt seem to be using biosdevnames for network interfaces. I dont see anything in /etc/default/grub that would be doing that though. any ideas where i should be looking? I even deleted the udev rule that has the assignement, rebooted, and it generated a new one with those eth* names again |
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| 20:16.21 | greycat | jessie uses eth* |
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| 20:16.40 | greycat | stretch (current stable) uses the "predictable" names by default |
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| 20:17.17 | MACscr | odd, my other jessie systems are using "predicatable" names |
| 20:17.36 | VirusInsane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:17.56 | greycat | "ifup interfacename" as root |
| 20:18.08 | VirusInsane | that doesn't work it says no interface |
| 20:18.13 | greycat | !exact |
| 20:18.13 | dpkg | Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like http://paste.debian.net/ to show long output and, where possible, have the output in English (see <localised errors>). |
| 20:18.15 | Tenkawa | MACscr: you sure someone didnt set net.ifnames in grub? |
| 20:18.39 | Tenkawa | to explicitly define it |
| 20:19.00 | Tenkawa | check /etc/default/grub |
| 20:19.19 | VirusInsane | if I plug the network cable in, then boot the system, network is up and works fine, I can ifconfig etc. If I boot the system without the cable plugged in, no network, no cards configured,, no ifaces configured, so when I plug in the cable, and type ifup eth0,I get nothing, ifconfig doesn't list eth0 at this point. |
| 20:19.45 | Tenkawa | VirusInsane: what does ifconfig -a list? |
| 20:19.45 | greycat | VirusInsane: what do you have for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:19.47 | VirusInsane | ifup eth0 (i get nothing means it says no iface configured) |
| 20:20.34 | greycat | ifup uses the /etc/network/interfaces file to find the definitions |
| 20:20.42 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 20:20.46 | VirusInsane | Oh |
| 20:20.55 | VirusInsane | It's dhclient -v eth0 |
| 20:20.59 | VirusInsane | That brings up the iface. |
| 20:21.01 | VirusInsane | What the hell |
| 20:21.06 | Tenkawa | indeed |
| 20:21.08 | MACscr | Tenkawa i checked, its not there |
| 20:21.17 | greycat | sounds like you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:21.28 | VirusInsane | It's the default that came in debian. |
| 20:21.39 | greycat | if the interface is not listed in there, then it could be taken over by NetworkManager |
| 20:21.45 | Tenkawa | MACscr: thats very weird that it would bounce back and forth |
| 20:21.48 | VirusInsane | the card is listed in there as allow hotplug and dhcp |
| 20:21.58 | VirusInsane | greycat: I see. |
| 20:22.03 | Tenkawa | predictable naming doesnt typically do that... |
| 20:22.05 | Tenkawa | oh wait... |
| 20:22.30 | Tenkawa | do you have anything in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 20:22.39 | Tenkawa | like 80-* netsomething |
| 20:23.11 | VirusInsane | (BTW, I'm only typing eth0 for example here, if I paste the configs and you see enp4s0 it's np, im just replacing it here because it is easier to type) |
| 20:23.24 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 20:23.31 | greycat | Idiot. |
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| 20:23.55 | VirusInsane | LOL. I'm an idiot for a simple text subsitution, mindfully knowing what I'm replacing on irc. Ok. |
| 20:24.08 | VirusInsane | Says a 50 year old man who has no idea how to behave in public. |
| 20:24.11 | VirusInsane | I'm the idiot. |
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| 20:24.29 | Tenkawa | MACscr: anything like that in there? |
| 20:24.46 | VirusInsane | Do people just go senile when they get older? |
| 20:25.24 | greycat | MACscr: Tenkawa: the file in question is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 20:25.27 | MACscr | Tenkawa i think its puppet doing it |
| 20:25.36 | Tenkawa | oh thats right... 70 not 80 |
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| 20:25.42 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 20:25.42 | MACscr | but shouldnt dmesg show the rename happening? |
| 20:25.46 | Tenkawa | my memory is shot |
| 20:26.24 | VirusInsane | I could have called it interface XYZ and it would be the same thing. :) |
| 20:26.43 | Tenkawa | ok.. here goes test 40 on 64 bit kernel.. |
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| 20:35.22 | garries | I burned debian 9 live on the usb using dd command and it doesnt boot up. what could it be? |
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| 20:37.21 | VirusInsane | garries: how are you booting? |
| 20:37.38 | VirusInsane | garries: is the system auto booting from usb or you have to select boot device upon boot menu? |
| 20:38.05 | VirusInsane | First make sure the system is actually booting the USB as the first boot device |
| 20:38.25 | garries | VirusInsane: its a windows machine and i was hoping its gonna run linux from the live usb, but it just strats the old windows when i power it up |
| 20:38.48 | VirusInsane | garries: ok, so it seems you need to maybe use your bios config option to make sure sytem boots from USB |
| 20:39.08 | garries | VirusInsane: yeah i did that already |
| 20:39.12 | VirusInsane | Usually a system will have start up buttons like F12 or F10 for a boot up menu, which allows you to select the boot device or pxe |
| 20:39.31 | VirusInsane | Do you have another system to test the USB in? |
| 20:39.38 | VirusInsane | Maybe another laptop or desktop? |
| 20:39.52 | garries | VirusInsane: this one im using now, which is a debian system |
| 20:40.01 | garries | it didnt work on this one either |
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| 20:40.28 | greycat | If the firmware doesn't boot the USB device, then either you need to go into the firmware menu or the boot menu and tell it to boot the USB before the Windows thingy on the hard drive, or the USB device isn't properly written. |
| 20:40.29 | VirusInsane | garries: please paste your dd command which was used to prepare the usb |
| 20:40.44 | garries | VirusInsane: sudo dd if=/home/user/debian9.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=4M; sync |
| 20:41.00 | Tenkawa | it could also be one of those efi only machines |
| 20:41.06 | greycat | garries: sdb1 is wrong. |
| 20:41.14 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 20:41.17 | greycat | the image has to be written to the device, not a partition |
| 20:41.43 | VirusInsane | garries: try this " cp /home/user/debian9.iso /dev/sdb |
| 20:41.59 | garries | VirusInsane: ok, will try and report back |
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| 20:46.11 | VirusInsane | Good luck. |
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| 20:47.14 | MACscr | ok, so i disabled puppet and i do see that rules.d file still be automatically generated with the eth0 entries |
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| 20:47.34 | greycat | that sounds normal for jessie |
| 20:47.37 | MACscr | says its being created by persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 20:47.46 | MACscr | ah, yes, ok |
| 20:47.53 | MACscr | makes sense. i wasnt thinking |
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| 20:57.02 | garries | VirusInsane: it failed |
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| 20:59.03 | garries | brb |
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| 21:04.20 | garries | VirusInsane: it didnt boot on my two machines |
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| 21:08.14 | MACscr | hmm, any ideas why this comes up when i run update-grub? https://www.screencast.com/t/oaUC8i8q1o |
| 21:08.37 | MACscr | im not even using btrfs or raid6 afaik |
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| 22:36.03 | booyah | there is a critical bug in lvm tools |
| 22:36.21 | booyah | it's not clear whether they are using god damn 1000 or 1024 "kilo" bytes |
| 22:36.55 | booyah | other then idiot author of resize2fs stating proudly in man that he competly wrongly uses kilobytes as 1024 bytes |
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| 22:37.32 | booyah | how to know to what size I can in safe way reduce /home ? |
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| 22:39.37 | blaztek | booyah: K is kilobyte, k is kilibyte |
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| 22:41.43 | booyah | blaztek: when giving arguments to lvreduce ? |
| 22:41.52 | blaztek | but lvcreate - it doesn't matter... - yes...critical bug..... |
| 22:42.29 | booyah | blaztek: is that written in the manual of lvresize? don't see it |
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| 22:45.40 | blaztek | booyah: no, it isn't....lvresize doesn't say if it's ignoring case or not....other than the default is megabytes...assuming it means 1000.... |
| 22:45.49 | booyah | omfg |
| 22:46.29 | booyah | I would hope all morons were already moved into systemd and basic FS admin tools would be solid |
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| 22:46.52 | blaztek | booyah: ...for lvresize, it uses lowercase for megabytes, kilobytes.... for lvcreate is uses uppercase for the EXACT same thing! |
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| 23:02.05 | blaztek | booyah: the source code says that for lvm input units, everything is multiples of 1024...for output units, capitalization matters |
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| 23:11.00 | booyah | blaztek: we should start gasing developers who don't clearly write G (1000) at least in man page |
| 23:11.11 | booyah | or GiB (1024^3) etc |
| 23:11.39 | blaztek | agreed |
| 23:11.57 | booyah | after that initial retarded decision to call 1024 a "Kilo" for some reason, it will never fully go away meh |
| 23:12.09 | booyah | little mistake 30? years ago, consequences till today for everyopne |
| 23:14.07 | blaztek | true |
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| 23:14.29 | blaztek | booyah: way too many FIXMEs in the source code... |
| 23:16.30 | booyah | it's like 1960s. thanks, IBM |
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| 23:48.06 | Nautilus | I have a Thinkpad x230 and I think I have the non-free wifi drivers installed, but can't get it to come UP. Any tips? |
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| 23:50.55 | Nautilus | "ip up wlp3s0 up" -> Object "wlp3s0" is unknown. |
| 23:51.20 | Nautilus | i meant "ip wlp3s0 up" as the command |
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| 23:59.59 | sifiwlhjf | what does this do: sudo mv /bin /dev/null |
