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| 01:01.53 | sivik_ | anyone have any luck install python3 gtk 3? I have tried pip3 install PyGTK and it failed |
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| 01:37.36 | fareast | ok guys I installed debian real quick and it dumped me in console |
| 01:37.50 | fareast | I suppose the gui isn't enabled do you know how to get it up to gui login? |
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| 01:43.31 | dvs | fareast, depend which UI you want |
| 01:44.39 | fareast | I want the one that was on the website |
| 01:44.45 | fareast | what is that gnome? |
| 01:44.54 | fareast | i been working with kde |
| 01:44.58 | dvs | !install gnome |
| 01:44.58 | fareast | do you have any suggestions? |
| 01:44.58 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 01:45.21 | fareast | ^is that an automated bot? |
| 01:45.26 | dvs | yup |
| 01:45.39 | fareast | I don't think there is an internet connection to it at the moment |
| 01:45.47 | fareast | I would need an internet connection correct? |
| 01:45.54 | dvs | yes |
| 01:45.54 | fareast | or did deb load the package on the drive? |
| 01:46.12 | fareast | what do you think I should run dvs |
| 01:46.18 | fareast | I am looking for something with a gui |
| 01:46.27 | fareast | functional and cosmetic |
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| 01:46.39 | dvs | you said gnome |
| 01:46.48 | fareast | I am just guessing I don't know gnome much |
| 01:46.53 | dvs | i like kde |
| 01:47.00 | fareast | I have used kde mostly and mandrake like years ago back in the 90's |
| 01:47.11 | fareast | yeah I am agreeing with you |
| 01:47.21 | fareast | kde was the best from my experiences |
| 01:47.42 | fareast | so how would I do a kde install from the terminal say I plugged in a lan cable |
| 01:48.02 | fareast | su owner apt-get debian-kde-meta or something along those lines? |
| 01:48.09 | dvs | !install kde |
| 01:48.09 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
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| 01:48.27 | fareast | ok I am going to see. |
| 01:48.38 | fareast | damn battery is dead so i have to reboot it at another location |
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| 01:51.00 | fareast | i am su |
| 01:51.04 | fareast | what is the command to download kde |
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| 01:52.00 | fareast | nvm |
| 01:52.01 | fareast | got it |
| 01:52.17 | fareast | shit |
| 01:52.22 | fareast | failure to fetch everything |
| 01:52.43 | fareast | the network controller isn't initialized |
| 01:52.52 | fareast | I suppose i need to just reinstall |
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| 01:57.35 | awal1 | fareast https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
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| 01:58.20 | fareast | I am just reinstalling it will guide me to the environment i just never checked anything off lol |
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| 02:00.39 | liveuser1 | how can apt be prompted to repull and install dependencies for virtualbox |
| 02:00.59 | liveuser1 | it pulled kernel 4.15 but did not install it because of some other missing deps |
| 02:01.12 | dvs | fareast, reinstalling what? |
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| 02:01.31 | liveuser1 | not apt-get install virtualbox doesn't run installing the deps |
| 02:01.36 | rabbitear_sdf | too much reading of old info |
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| 02:01.58 | rabbitear_sdf | reading is good, but too old play by play reading is bad |
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| 02:03.31 | liveuser1 | before considering it for use |
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| 02:03.41 | somiaj | liveuser1: since virtualbox is only avalbiel in stretch-backports, apt -t stretch-backports install virtualbox should install any missing deps. |
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| 02:18.56 | meta-coder | Why are changelogs broken when I have deb.debian.org in sources.list |
| 02:19.31 | somiaj | what do you mean by broken? |
| 02:20.34 | meta-coder | somiaj: 404 Not Found |
| 02:20.51 | meta-coder | Oh wait |
| 02:20.52 | rabbitear_sdf | meta-coder: a> its your fault |
| 02:21.06 | rabbitear_sdf | meta-coder: b> its still your fault |
| 02:21.45 | somiaj | rabbitear_sdf: please don't just add noise to a conversation. |
| 02:21.52 | meta-coder | It is broken for only some packages like linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 |
| 02:22.10 | meta-coder | 404 http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/linux_4.9.88-1_changelog |
| 02:22.20 | rabbitear_sdf | meta-coder: what domain are those packages pulling from? |
| 02:22.37 | rabbitear_sdf | meta-coder: its a true error 404 |
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| 02:23.44 | meta-coder | rabbitear_sdf: as I said deb.debian.org mirror |
| 02:24.32 | somiaj | meta-coder: what do you think there is a linux_4.9.88-1 changelog? I see no changelogs by that naming convention. |
| 02:25.13 | somiaj | also I do not see the connection between the mirror deb.debian.org and getting a copy of the changelog from metadata.ftp-master-debian.org |
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| 02:25.27 | meta-coder | For some packages viewing the changelog in aptitude works, but "apt changelog" says changelog unavailable. |
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| 02:26.45 | somiaj | meta-coder: that works fine for me here, lets see some actual output. So you are saying 'apt changelog linux-image-amd64' is not working and giving you a 404? Can y ou produce the output of 'apt policy' and 'apt policy linux-image-amd64' |
| 02:27.01 | somiaj | put it at a pastebin like paste.debian.net. |
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| 02:29.08 | somiaj | also note (check man apt-get) that apt changelog tries to download the changelog for the installed version. Unsure if maybe you are trying to fetch a changelog of some local package that isn't available on the debian repos, as that changelog you were looking for looks funky. |
| 02:30.07 | meta-coder | somiaj: yes, looks like logs are not available for backports packages |
| 02:30.49 | somiaj | can you give some actual output. Give a package that this fails for. I think they should also be avalbile for backport packages too. |
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| 02:32.24 | somiaj | hmm, I can see the changelogs from backports, but for some reason I too got it failed to fetch, lets check the bug reports. |
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| 02:33.38 | meta-coder | somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1022867 |
| 02:33.56 | agio | !check iso image |
| 02:33.57 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
| 02:34.39 | agio | !check iso signature |
| 02:34.40 | somiaj | meta-coder: and you are trying to view the changelog for the security sources? I don't think the deb.debian.org mirror has much to do with this, as that is a package from security. |
| 02:34.40 | dpkg | On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>. |
| 02:34.47 | somiaj | agio: you can /msg dpkg factiod |
| 02:35.33 | agio | somiaj: sorry for the noise. does that keep it private in my window only? |
| 02:35.42 | somiaj | agio: yes |
| 02:36.44 | meta-coder | somiaj: can't view changelog for packages uploaded to security? |
| 02:37.08 | somiaj | yes, but I'm unsure the best way. You can always just download the .deb and extract the changelog. |
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| 02:38.56 | somiaj | meta-coder: I'm unsure why the new security changelog is not on metadata.ftp-master.debian.org. It might just be it takes time to copy them over with secuirty, or they only get added during point releases when security merges with stable |
| 02:39.33 | somiaj | meta-coder: https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/l/linux/changelog-4.9.88-1 -- I was able to get this from the tracker. |
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| 02:44.27 | meta-coder | The changelog link here is broken https://packages.debian.org/source/stable/linux |
| 02:44.30 | somiaj | I didn't see any bugs about this, but maybe a minor one that not all changelogs seem avaiable on metadata.ftp-master.debian.org and maybe apt changelog could fallback to the tracker to get change logs it can't find on metadata |
| 02:45.02 | somiaj | yea, I don't know the deal here. It could just be that changelogs from security just take a little longer to get copied over because of how the packages are introduced into debian. |
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| 02:45.24 | somiaj | since most things seem to point tot he same place, I would give it a few days, if the changelog doesn't show up, maybe file a bug at least to find out why since you seem to use this feature. |
| 02:46.52 | meta-coder | Ok |
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| 04:15.23 | Shmam | So I added /media/myUser/External Drive as an alias in my apache2.conf but when I try to visit the url, I get http 443 forbidden. /media/myUser/External Drive has permission 777 but /media/myUser has permissions 750. Is there any way that I can make this drive accessible from apache without changing the permissions for media/myUser? |
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| 04:18.23 | Shmam | or should/can I mount the drive to a different location? |
| 04:18.48 | blaztek | Shmam: add the apache user to myUserâs group maybe? |
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| 04:20.36 | Shmam | I dont know if there is an apache user. I dont see it in /etc/passwd |
| 04:21.07 | alkisg | Shmam: don't use automatic user mounts for apache directories; put them in /etc/fstab instead |
| 04:21.24 | alkisg | If you put them in /etc/fstab, you can set the owner/permissions to your liking |
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| 04:22.55 | Shmam | oh yeah I think this is what I want. Is there a command to add the drive to this or do I need to figure out how to do it by hand? |
| 04:23.14 | alkisg | Currently, what's the output of `mount | grep media` ? |
| 04:24.01 | Shmam | https://pastebin.com/cq9WGfGT |
| 04:24.39 | alkisg | fuseblk, what is that, ntfs? |
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| 04:25.17 | Shmam | how can I tell/find out? |
| 04:25.47 | Shmam | looks like its ntfs partition |
| 04:25.51 | Shmam | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1096841 |
| 04:25.53 | Shmam | according to that |
| 04:26.02 | alkisg | (sudo) lsblk --fs | grep /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:26.19 | Shmam | nothing |
| 04:26.34 | alkisg | sudo blkid | grep /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:26.48 | Shmam | if I do it without grep then it finds sdb1 ntfs External drive |
| 04:26.51 | Shmam | and the UUID |
| 04:26.58 | alkisg | OK, ntfs it is then |
| 04:26.59 | Shmam | and mountpoint :O |
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| 04:27.13 | alkisg | https://wiki.debian.org/fstab tells you how to put things in /etc/fstab |
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| 04:28.16 | Shmam | should I unplug the drive when editing fstab? or just need to unplug and replug to use the new mount point? |
| 04:28.48 | alkisg | "eject" the drive first, then edit fstab, then write "sudo mount /dev/sdb1" to see if you edited it correctly |
| 04:29.23 | Shmam | eject? like through the file manager or a command? |
| 04:29.27 | alkisg | Yes |
| 04:29.30 | alkisg | Do you have a file manager? |
| 04:29.33 | Shmam | yeet |
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| 04:32.13 | Shmam | so for dir, what is the recommended/standard place for another hard drive? maybe /media/networkdrive0? |
| 04:32.45 | alkisg | Well it depends on what you do with it, for example, if you want to serve it via apache, you could even put it in /var/www/someplace |
| 04:33.00 | Shmam | I want to use it with apache and samba |
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| 04:33.19 | itsDOOM | test |
| 04:35.23 | Shmam | so does this look like it will work? `UUID=############## /media/networkdrive0 ntfs auto`? Do I need dump or pass params? |
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| 04:35.51 | alkisg | Yes, put 0 0 there |
| 04:35.59 | alkisg | Also make sure the dir exists |
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| 04:36.22 | doom_ | #flood |
| 04:36.35 | Shmam | so I should just `touch /media/networkdrive0`? or do I need to `mkdir /media/metworkdrive0` |
| 04:36.39 | Shmam | prob makedir right |
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| 04:36.44 | alkisg | mkdir |
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| 04:38.54 | Shmam | $ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:38.54 | Shmam | mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab |
| 04:39.11 | Shmam | do I need to use /dev/sdb1 instead of UUID? |
| 04:39.18 | alkisg | you put uuid, so you can't mount with /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:39.22 | th0r | Shmam, you need to provide a mount point as well as the device |
| 04:39.40 | alkisg | You can run sudo mount /media/networkdrive0 |
| 04:39.53 | alkisg | If it's /etc/fstab, it understands what and where |
| 04:40.02 | Shmam | said that it cant find the UUID |
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| 04:40.29 | rabbitear_sdf | wrong UUID |
| 04:40.33 | Shmam | it also doesnt show up in `lsblk --fs` |
| 04:40.52 | Shmam | maybe I should unplug and plug back in? |
| 04:41.05 | alkisg | Erm, wait |
| 04:41.19 | alkisg | So I was wrong to tell you to eject it as it doesn't show up as a device now |
| 04:41.30 | alkisg | But if you unplug/plug it in again, it will be automounted |
| 04:41.43 | alkisg | So you need to unplug/plug it, and then run: sudo umount /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:41.51 | alkisg | So as to be able to test the fstab-based mounting |
| 04:42.08 | alkisg | After you do that, *then* try the sudo mount /media/networkdrive0 command |
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| 04:43.30 | Shmam | eyy it worked |
| 04:43.49 | Shmam | so when I restart, will I have to do this every time/add it to cron? |
| 04:44.03 | alkisg | No, fstab runs on boot and mounts the devices |
| 04:44.11 | alkisg | So you won't have to do it manually anymore |
| 04:44.15 | Shmam | oh cool |
| 04:45.44 | Shmam | still a http 403 :( |
| 04:46.08 | Shmam | so /media is 755 |
| 04:46.31 | Shmam | and /media/networkdrive0 is 777 |
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| 04:46.42 | Shmam | so that should work right? apache should be able to access it |
| 04:47.40 | alkisg | sudo -u www-data /bin/bash |
| 04:47.47 | alkisg | This "logs you in" with the apache account |
| 04:47.57 | alkisg | You can then try cd and ls to see where you have access and where not |
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| 04:48.19 | Shmam | yeah I can cd to /media/networkdrive0 and view all of the files in there |
| 04:49.05 | alkisg | After running that sudo command? Does your prompt say "www-data@yourpc" ? |
| 04:49.25 | Shmam | yep |
| 04:49.40 | alkisg | OK, can can you run this? cd /media/networkdrive0; touch hello |
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| 04:49.44 | Shmam | "www-data@mypc:/home/user$" |
| 04:49.45 | alkisg | Or does touch say access denied? |
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| 04:50.08 | Shmam | nope it worked fine |
| 04:50.47 | Shmam | and it let me write in the file with "echo test > hello" |
| 04:50.58 | alkisg | Weird, I would have thought ntfs would mount as root with the defaults in fstab |
| 04:51.19 | alkisg | And if you run ls -l hello? |
| 04:51.24 | alkisg | What's the exact output? Paste it here |
| 04:51.55 | Shmam | $ ls -l test |
| 04:51.55 | Shmam | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 May 1 23:50 test |
| 04:51.58 | Shmam | my file is test |
| 04:52.21 | alkisg | Hmm, so it mounts as root with mode=777? |
| 04:52.31 | Shmam | yeah thats not safe |
| 04:52.44 | Shmam | i think |
| 04:52.45 | alkisg | Shmam, what's the output of `whoami` at that point? |
| 04:52.54 | Shmam | www-data |
| 04:52.57 | alkisg | OK |
| 04:53.09 | alkisg | Well, first, it sounds like an apache misconfiguration now |
| 04:53.17 | alkisg | Did you update the path and reload the config? |
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| 04:53.31 | alkisg | And after you make apache work, then yeah go to fstab and make it mount as www-data, not as root |
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| 04:54.10 | Shmam | yeah I updated the path and reloaded the config but still getting a 403 |
| 04:54.34 | alkisg | Check the apache logs to find the exact error message |
| 04:55.07 | Shmam | the end of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf just has `Alias /url "/media/networkdrive0"` at the end which should be right |
| 04:56.08 | Shmam | apache log says "client denied by server configuration: /media/networkdrive0" |
| 04:56.39 | alkisg | It's not a file system thing anymore, it's an apache configuration thing. I don't know apache well enough to help there. |
| 04:57.47 | Shmam | ok ill look through my apache config. thanks for the help with my file system :) |
| 04:57.55 | alkisg | np |
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| 05:10.10 | Shmam | I got it! I needed to add a directory in my apache config file as this was not part of the root document serve directory for apache |
| 05:10.22 | Shmam | just incase anyone wanted to know |
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| 05:12.21 | alkisg | Or you could mount it under /var/www/someplace :) |
| 05:12.56 | Shmam | oh yea lol |
| 05:13.01 | Shmam | but its also for samba |
| 05:13.09 | Shmam | but samba could go there too so idk |
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| 06:31.26 | Rico | hi |
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| 06:32.09 | Rico | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858602 <= where do I find "the latest version of |
| 06:32.09 | Rico | webalizer, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive." ? |
| 06:32.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/858602 in webalizer (closed): «webalizer: overrides parts of webalizer.hist»; severity: important; opened: 2017-03-24; last modified: 2017-08-20. |
| 06:34.33 | Rico | I'm unable to find the version: 2.23.08-2 |
| 06:37.03 | gabriel_ | I mean, any ideas of how to troubleshoot it. |
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| 06:43.20 | srart1 | Rico: webalizer/testing 2.23.08-3 |
| 06:44.38 | Rico | srart1: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/webalizer/ |
| 06:44.50 | Rico | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.57 | Rico | which is not available on debian jessie |
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| 07:04.54 | srart1 | gonna have to setup split system. Since it's not a security update, it will take till the next patchset. I'm not exactly sure how they decide what gets rolled into each step. |
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| 07:06.56 | srart1 | emailing the maintainer on the bug fix may get you a how/when they push a patch to stable (jessie is stable now-a-days right?) |
| 07:08.25 | srart1 | oh, looking at the topic, I think jessie is oldstable. It may not happen. |
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| 07:11.07 | jelly | ,v webalizer |
| 07:11.08 | judd | Package: webalizer on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.23.05-1; jessie: 2.23.08-1+b1; stretch: 2.23.08-1+b3; buster: 2.23.08-3; sid: 2.23.08-3 |
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| 07:11.33 | jelly | Rico: you can only use the version available for the release you have installed |
| 07:12.07 | Rico | jelly: so I have no way to fix this bug using debian packages ? |
| 07:12.38 | Rico | thanks srart1 |
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| 07:13.19 | jelly | Rico: you can try to rebuild the package from unstable for your release. The result of that would be called a "backport" |
| 07:13.25 | jelly | !simple sid backport |
| 07:13.25 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 07:13.50 | jelly | Rico: ^ a very terse recipe to do that |
| 07:14.07 | jelly | Rico: see also: /msg dpkg deb-src sid |
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| 07:14.42 | Rico | ok thanks |
| 07:14.59 | srart1 | Rico: What is the box's situation? Personal, company, single? apt dist-upgrade is pretty reliable if you don't have to worry about sound and video. It's not like RHEL boxen where you start from scratch (and most of the time video and sound still work, but I've been using Debian for a VERY long time) |
| 07:15.32 | Rico | srart1: company, no dist-upgrade possible for now, because no downtime allowed |
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| 07:15.55 | srart1 | only box doing it's job? |
| 07:16.09 | Rico | ? |
| 07:16.16 | Rico | web / sql server |
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| 07:16.44 | Rico | using php5 |
| 07:16.55 | Rico | incompatible with php7 |
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| 07:19.15 | srart1 | oh your killin' me here. Yeah, the build your own package instructions above may be your best bet, if you can't convince dh to do the build regular autoconf&&./config --prefix=/usr && make -j3 && sudo make install will probably do what you need. |
| 07:20.23 | srart1 | If you are trapped on one box though, what is gonna happen when it does die? You need to get that code updated or get a second box and run a vm on it that can have an old debian with php5 |
| 07:20.28 | Claudio | Hello ^^ |
| 07:20.54 | srart1 | Howdy Claudio |
| 07:21.05 | Claudio | When i try to connect in a VPN Connection i have this errore: Error Java Applet |
| 07:21.14 | Claudio | I use google-chrome stable on debian |
| 07:21.21 | Claudio | Hello srart1 ^^ |
| 07:21.49 | Claudio | There's a solution for this problem ? |
| 07:22.23 | jelly | chrome has not supported java applets for 2-3 years now |
| 07:22.59 | jelly | which type of vpn is this, maybe there's a native client |
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| 07:24.01 | srart1 | assuming cisco vpn thing, there is an option to download it. From there the installer puts it in /opt/cisco |
| 07:24.38 | Claudio | srart1, checkpoint |
| 07:24.52 | Claudio | srart1, i try to use firefox |
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| 07:25.29 | apollo13 | https://www.shrew.net/support/Howto_Checkpoint |
| 07:25.43 | apollo13 | depending on how the checkpoint is configured |
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| 07:26.22 | apollo13 | not that you probably wanna use strongswan instead of shrew, but the ideas are the same |
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| 07:26.54 | srart1 | and a thing here https://serverfault.com/questions/90275/checkpoint-vpn-linux-client (the answer under shrew in case that won't work for you) |
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| 07:55.30 | michael2 | hi. I have a question about GPLV2/V3. If I package some software someone else created and licensed under GPL. If I package and publish to a server - i.e. I start "distributing" it. the GPL legally requires me to provide the source for that software - is that correct? |
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| 08:17.57 | well_laid_lawn | michael2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL#Use_of_licensed_software |
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| 08:21.47 | jelly | michael2: yes. |
| 08:22.41 | jelly | debian solves that by providing sources on the same repos as binaries |
| 08:22.47 | jelly | !deb-src |
| 08:22.47 | dpkg | You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed. |
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| 08:23.48 | michael2 | jelly: ok so you need to provide source. so then my question is does it need to be the _exact_ source of the binary you distributed? |
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| 08:25.16 | jelly | michael2: absolutely |
| 08:25.58 | michael2 | e.g. maybe you packaged firefox "quantum" could you , say for the sake of convienience, provide a copy of whatever latest "master" branch of the firefox repo? its more or less firefox right? is that enough to comply with GPL? |
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| 08:26.09 | jelly | michael2: it isn't |
| 08:26.34 | jelly | if you distribute binaries, you need to have matching source |
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| 08:27.34 | michael2 | so - in order to comply - it has to be the actual source of the binary you distributed and not some "near enough" source code? |
| 08:28.13 | simson | hey there, if I try to run weechat on debian9, I get GLIBC_2,14 (and others) not found, errors. Where did I go wrong? |
| 08:28.15 | simson | http://paste.opensuse.org/30376091 |
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| 08:29.19 | jelly | michael2: yes. That's not hard to do with debian-style packaging, since you had the correct source tarball when you built the thing, and the usual build process has both source package bits and binary package bits as result |
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| 08:30.21 | jelly | simson: is that weechat binary installed from standard debian repo? |
| 08:30.51 | jelly | simson: what does this command say: dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10) |
| 08:31.20 | michael2 | jelly: thanks |
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| 08:32.29 | simson | yes, its from the std repos, I only have default repos enabled. The output is: libgmp10:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10.3.2 |
| 08:32.36 | simson | @jelly |
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| 08:33.17 | jelly | simson: ok. Pastebin the output of "ldd -v /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10.3.2" and "dpkg -l libgmp10:amd64" |
| 08:33.19 | jelly | !paste |
| 08:33.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:34.43 | jelly | that library might be broken, or you might have a second copy of libc.so.6 somewhere (but that would break more than weechat) |
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| 08:36.14 | simson | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/1022885/ |
| 08:37.23 | jelly | oh, so comma in GLIBC_2,14 was not just a typo. That's really weird |
| 08:37.52 | jelly | ,v libgmp10 --arch amd64 |
| 08:37.53 | judd | Package: libgmp10 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:5.0.5+dfsg-2; jessie: 2:6.0.0+dfsg-6; stretch: 2:6.1.2+dfsg-1; buster: 2:6.1.2+dfsg-3; sid: 2:6.1.2+dfsg-3 |
| 08:39.37 | jelly | simson: of you have debsums, run "debsums libgmp10:amd64" and see if it returns any lines that don't end with OK |
| 08:39.43 | jelly | if* you have |
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| 08:40.51 | simson | jelly: Oh, wow, it actually returns a failed for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10.3.2 |
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| 08:41.46 | jelly | simson: so the file is corrupted, reinstall that package (aptitude reinstall libgmp10:amd64, or apt-get --reinstall install libgmp10:amd64) |
| 08:42.10 | simson | jelly: Already doing, how could that have happened? :O |
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| 08:42.42 | simson | jelly: That fixed it, thanks alot, jelly :-) |
| 08:42.45 | jelly | power loss, bad hardware, buggy filesystem, lots of options |
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| 08:43.49 | simson | jelly: Hmm, I actually had an power loss on that system....maybe I should do a reinstall for long-term. Who knows what might be bad too. |
| 08:44.16 | jelly | simson: migh want to run "debsums -s" and see if anything else packaged is broken. If won't catch corruption of data files tho. |
| 08:44.49 | jelly | this is why you do backups, right? |
| 08:45.04 | simson | jelly: Yes :) |
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| 08:46.40 | c-c | Anyone else system gotten super slow lately? |
| 08:46.51 | jelly | it's just regular slow |
| 08:47.03 | simson | jelly: okay, the debsums -s output is multiple screens long :'), fascinating that I haven't had any issues until now |
| 08:47.04 | petn-randall | c-c: Now that you ask, my RC buggy is driving slower than usual. |
| 08:47.57 | c-c | I get +4 sec delay when muting sound, second or two often when typing at the terminal, most slowness experience from browsers... |
| 08:48.09 | jelly | petn-randall: unless you patch it or lower priority, it won't get into buster if it's rc buggy |
| 08:48.26 | c-c | even 720p video puts the system on slow-modus |
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| 08:48.49 | c-c | (I think just few weeks ago I was watching 1020p with no noticeable effects) |
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| 08:49.57 | c-c | - Maybe this is now the intel cpu vuln fixes hitting Jessie? |
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| 08:53.25 | c-c | - Excluding browser (ff/chromium), most cpu time is spent in Xorg, pulseaudio and NetworkManager (roughly 10x more than any other processes). I think thats normal. (?) I can't find a reason why there would be a slowdown on this system all of a sudden... |
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| 09:29.32 | wrksx | Guys something weird happening. When @server1 scp testfile server2:~ I have a speed of 500 KB/s. When @server2 scp server1:~ testfile I have a speed of 10 MB/s. |
| 09:29.42 | wrksx | Any idea what could be goin on ? |
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| 09:34.45 | wrksx | damn |
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| 09:35.15 | Ingvix | hey, I'm trying to scale gdm3 login screen and it seems I should change a dconf key. For some reason I can't login to Debian-gdm which seems to be the gdm user so I tried the other way that was instucted in arch wiki and created a file /etc/dconf/db/gdm.d/02-scale where I set /org/gnome/desktop/interface/scaling-factor to 2. It didn't seem to do anything. In other distros it seems that the gdm user is |
| 09:35.16 | Ingvix | play gdm so should the directory be Debian-gdm.d or how should proceed? |
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| 09:36.37 | Ingvix | *gdmuser is plain gdm* |
| 09:36.49 | Ingvix | *gdm -* |
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| 09:43.35 | watom | hey. where i find a description of debian repository like stable-updates? |
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| 09:45.18 | watom | i don't see on the wiki related page |
| 09:45.23 | watom | like DebianRepository or SourcesList |
| 09:45.28 | watom | any help please |
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| 09:59.02 | squarecircle | ohai |
| 10:00.01 | squarecircle | I have some trouble running gitlab-ce (omnibus package) on a Debian 9 vm on a Debian 9 host, virtualized with qemu-kvm |
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| 10:01.25 | squarecircle | my gitlab instance consumes all the available cpu time in the vm, the host seldomly exceeds more then 100% on one core |
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| 10:05.57 | Iridos | Wasn't there a software with which you could easily remove pages from a pdf |
| 10:07.42 | c-c | Iridos: ghostwriter perhaps has something |
| 10:08.17 | c-c | or is it called ghostscript |
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| 10:09.56 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 10:11.12 | Azrael_- | i want to set up a raid10-system with lvm+luks and also encrypt the system itself. iirc the boot-partition has to be unencrypted. how can i install this best? (can i do this with the standard installer or do i need to do everything manually?) |
| 10:11.12 | Iridos | I had something⦠in java, I think |
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| 10:11.36 | Iridos | pdfchain (pdftk) seems to do it⦠by doing "burst" first, then doing a catenate |
| 10:12.03 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: I would do it manually |
| 10:12.49 | Azrael_- | squarecircle: until now i only installed manually systems where i only had remote access. so it was tedious. when i have local access, are there easier ways? |
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| 10:14.16 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: I guess you can write a seed file for the setup and do an automatic installation on your box |
| 10:14.20 | Azrael_- | barely ever used the normal installer. always went with debootstrap. so it would be nice for a better one |
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| 10:14.59 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: if this is a one time thing, then go for the manual installation, it's not that difficult |
| 10:15.05 | Azrael_- | this time i have the machine infront of me and local access. what install-way would you suggest? |
| 10:15.14 | Azrael_- | one-time thing |
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| 10:16.01 | Azrael_- | don't know what to do manually and where e.g. an installer could ease things a little bit |
| 10:16.27 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: oh |
| 10:16.55 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: you mean an installer for the setup |
| 10:17.01 | Azrael_- | correct |
| 10:17.04 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: well just take the netinstall iso |
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| 10:17.23 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: you can dd it on some usb key and boot it up |
| 10:17.34 | Azrael_- | and with the netinstall i can adjust everything for the raid10+lvm+luks? |
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| 10:18.09 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: the partitioning of the disks has to be made "manually", don't choose guided partioning and stuff, this won't do for your special needs |
| 10:18.33 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: as far as your ideas are not too extravagant, yes |
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| 10:18.55 | Azrael_- | hehe, like i said. just raid10 < luks < lvm |
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| 10:19.16 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: have you a single boot disk? |
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| 10:19.46 | Iridos | hm, well, that produced a pdf about 2.5 times the size than before⦠this worked, though: pdftk 24.pdf cat 1-14~4 output z.pdf compress |
| 10:19.55 | Azrael_- | i have 4 disks and will create the boot-partition as raid1 and install grub on all of them |
| 10:20.21 | squarecircle | ok, thats a way |
| 10:20.29 | Iridos | (but involved an excessive amount of looking up syntax for such a simple task) |
| 10:21.14 | Azrael_- | in the end i'll add a busybox with ssh-server into the ramdisk so i can unlock it without physical access |
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| 10:22.55 | Azrael_- | or what did you want to suggest? |
| 10:23.09 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: oh that sounds useful |
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| 10:23.59 | Azrael_- | but it's been a long time since i did this the last time. so i will probably ask some stuff when being stuck again :) |
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| 10:25.55 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: don't hesitate, I'll gnaw on my kvm problem for some more hours ;) |
| 10:26.11 | squarecircle | Azrael_-: people here are friendly though |
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| 10:26.19 | Azrael_- | yeah, fortunately :) |
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| 10:28.13 | davorin | ehlo (o; |
| 10:29.37 | Azrael_- | 250-hi, don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 10:30.11 | davorin | has anyone into issues with h370-pro boards and intel ethernet not being recognized during install? |
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| 10:33.21 | crimson_king | So, the keepass2 package is a port of the Windows app written in mono? |
| 10:34.08 | crimson_king | nevermind, found explanation here |
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| 10:35.57 | Azrael_- | crimson_king: mind sharing? |
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| 10:37.21 | AndreasLutro | crimson_king: keepassxc is a better alternative |
| 10:38.07 | c-c | davorin: try installing the firmware during os install |
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| 10:38.45 | c-c | Or, see if the non-official firmware-included iso-image has the firmware and use that. davorin |
| 10:38.51 | BCMM | davorin: what distro/installer are you using? |
| 10:39.29 | jelly | ,v keepassxc |
| 10:39.30 | judd | Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- buster: 2.3.1+dfsg.1-1; sid: 2.3.1+dfsg.1-1 |
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| 10:40.02 | jelly | AndreasLutro: compared to keepassx that's already in stretch, is it worth building it? |
| 10:40.14 | c-c | BCMM: this channel is for debian jessie, only |
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| 10:40.27 | BCMM | davorin: oh sorry, thought i was on ##linux |
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| 10:40.53 | jelly | c-c: it's not just for jessie! stretch is nice too |
| 10:41.04 | c-c | oh, the policy has been changed? |
| 10:41.08 | BCMM | davorin: official debian install CDs don't come with non-free firmware, but there is https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 10:41.11 | jelly | nope |
| 10:41.23 | davorin | ah great.... |
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| 10:41.46 | jelly | davorin: H370 pro sounds new. It might just not be supported well in debian 9 kernel |
| 10:41.47 | BCMM | c-c: ... you're using oldstable, aren't you? |
| 10:41.51 | davorin | i just convinced my company to get a new pc with h370 chip set....and wanted to use of course debian 9 as i use it at home for development (o; |
| 10:42.04 | davorin | it is an intel i291-v chip... |
| 10:42.08 | davorin | maybe new pci id or something |
| 10:42.19 | c-c | BCMM: sorry, I don't converse people who call me "dick", so why not go harass someone else |
| 10:42.22 | BCMM | davorin: you could check dmesg if you want to confirm that missing firmware is the problem before downloading the whole iso |
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| 10:42.45 | c-c | BCMM: also, try not to call ppl "dick"s |
| 10:43.08 | jelly | c-c: jessie is oldstable now. |
| 10:43.37 | BCMM | c-c: the way you treated that newbie on the other channel was quite unnecessary, but i'm not going to discuss that in here. |
| 10:43.39 | davorin | i just started dumping ubunut iso onto an usb stick for testing (o; |
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| 10:44.10 | annsxx | SEX DATING FOR YOU: http://4datesex.com |
| 10:44.16 | c-c | BCMM: incorrect, he was not a noob, and stop calling people "dick" |
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| 10:45.07 | c-c | davorin: ubuntu is not quite debian, anymore |
| 10:45.26 | davorin | i know....and i never liked it (o; |
| 10:45.35 | davorin | but for a quick test.... |
| 10:46.00 | davorin | if all fails i bring some ethernet cards fmor home next week (o; |
| 10:46.01 | jelly | c-c, BCMM: get a room you two, this isn't the place. |
| 10:46.09 | davorin | s/fmor/from/ |
| 10:46.55 | jelly | davorin: if you really want debian and don't want testing, you can format manually, debootstrap stable on that disk, and use kernel from stretch-backports |
| 10:47.19 | squarecircle | c-c: For Debian Jessie only? |
| 10:47.19 | BCMM | davorin: have you checked "dmesg |grep -i firmware"? |
| 10:47.31 | squarecircle | c-c: thats ancient technology ^^ |
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| 10:48.38 | davorin | dd'ing firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso now |
| 10:49.38 | c-c | yeah I've been away for couple of months |
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| 10:55.03 | jelly | !release history |
| 10:55.03 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. http://deb.li/it56U |
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| 10:57.33 | c-c | jftr I'm on debian 9 - but incorrectly thought that the current stable is "jessie" |
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| 11:00.26 | davorin | dmesg | grep -i firmware shows nothing |
| 11:03.27 | c-c | ok not sure if errors are going to mention "firmware" |
| 11:04.55 | BCMM | davorin: can you pastebin output of lspci and lscpi -n? |
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| 11:05.17 | davorin | hard to pastebin when pc has no network connectivity (o; |
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| 11:05.26 | BCMM | davorin: fair point |
| 11:05.29 | davorin | but i try to handwrite (o; |
| 11:05.35 | BCMM | davorin: or USB stick? |
| 11:06.04 | c-c | usb tether cell phone |
| 11:06.05 | davorin | 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Device 15bc (rev 10) |
| 11:06.05 | BCMM | davorin: eh if it's that bad, just do lspci|grep Ethernet and let us know the exact NIC you've got |
| 11:06.31 | davorin | looks like 8086:a370 |
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| 11:07.08 | davorin | ah no....8086:8672 |
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| 11:08.32 | davorin | hmm...which line of lspci -v shows device id? |
| 11:08.38 | davorin | the first line? |
| 11:08.51 | michael2 | davorin: this NIC problem is part of your install process , is that right? |
| 11:08.56 | BCMM | davorin: it literally says a dev id at the end of that name... |
| 11:09.01 | squarecircle | anyone an idea how to tell kvm to use more then one physical core on each vm? |
| 11:09.02 | BCMM | surely it's an 8086:15bc? |
| 11:09.11 | davorin | yes....it can't detect ethernet hardware during install |
| 11:09.21 | davorin | ah okay...15bc then |
| 11:09.59 | davorin | the second line is: Subsystem ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 8672 |
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| 11:12.20 | c-c | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 11:17.57 | AndreasLutro | jelly: you don't need to build it, you can download the appimage and run it as a standalone binary |
| 11:18.47 | BCMM | davorin: so does the device show up at all? in `ip a` for example? |
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| 11:19.18 | davorin | nopw |
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| 11:20.39 | michael2 | davorin: what output does `ip a' return? |
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| 11:21.12 | davorin | link/loopback only |
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| 11:21.23 | davorin | but what i see are some acpi name lookup errors in dmesg |
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| 11:22.14 | jelly | AndreasLutro: yeah ok, I always forget there are portable workarounds for distro deficiencies |
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| 11:37.46 | gvvg__ | need a continuous ping tool that can provide stats to one target need day week month - any suggestions? |
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| 11:38.30 | colo-work | smokeping? I think it can do that |
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| 11:38.59 | gvvg__ | I'll look thanks |
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| 11:53.29 | michael2 | I've got a folder which has problems when I try to do file related operations on it, such as cd'ing into it and ls'ing. does anyone a command which would check the integrity of a folder and its contents - i.e at the inode/filesystem level? |
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| 11:58.59 | jelly | michael2: it's called fsck and can only be done at a filesystem level while the filesystem is unmounted or mounted read-only. Before that, maybe it's just a permission issue? what does ls -ld /path/to/affected/dir say? |
| 11:59.35 | jelly | those symptoms can be caused by missing +x permissions on directory |
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| 12:01.07 | michael2 | jelly: yeah, permissions + ownership were the first thing I checked. I'll check again though. Im on ext4 - is fsck still relevant on ext4? |
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| 12:02.53 | michael2 | jelly: yeah, I own the dir and have rwx on it |
| 12:03.10 | jelly | can you show the actual output |
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| 12:04.16 | michael2 | jelly: % ls --group-directories-first -adl .zsh |
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| 12:04.17 | jelly | because checking for +x on all the parent dirs is also nice |
| 12:04.18 | michael2 | drwxr-xr-x 5 user1 user1 4096 May 2 22:41 .zsh |
| 12:04.32 | jelly | michael2: absolute path please |
| 12:04.50 | jelly | and no -a |
| 12:05.26 | michael2 | no -a? |
| 12:05.37 | jelly | ls -ld /path/to/your/.zsh |
| 12:05.51 | jelly | note lack or -a option |
| 12:05.55 | jelly | of* |
| 12:06.03 | michael2 | but its hidden - it wont show without the -a? |
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| 12:06.26 | jelly | try it. |
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| 12:07.03 | michael2 | jelly: % ls -dl /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh/files/.zsh drwxr-xr-x 5 user1 user1 4096 May 2 22:41 /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh/files/.zsh |
| 12:07.12 | jelly | okay |
| 12:08.42 | michael2 | there is another command though - which checks all the intermediary directories - I just cant remember it |
| 12:08.58 | michael2 | it checks that they have the +x |
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| 12:10.56 | jelly | right. in the meantime you can do ls -ld / /home /home/user1 /home/user1/system /home/user1/system/ansible_install /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh/files /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh/files/.zsh |
| 12:11.35 | jelly | michael2: is there anything in dmesg when you try to access them? ext4 errors would point to a need to fsck |
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| 12:11.51 | TheRock | 6363/tcp open ndn |
| 12:11.58 | TheRock | how can i shut this down and is it required? |
| 12:12.33 | jelly | TheRock: as root, run something like ss -tupan |grep 6363 and see which process has that listener socket open |
| 12:12.39 | jelly | or netstat -tupan |
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| 12:13.32 | michael2 | jelly: ok Ill check dmesg. I remembered command (well I looked it up - namei -l <path> output is here: |
| 12:13.34 | michael2 | http://termbin.com/3r6q |
| 12:13.48 | jken | hey debian, I am back with more questions. I am trying to install grub to a system from a bootable USB using the instructions listed in the top answer here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/how-can-i-reinstall-grub-to-the-efi-partition However when I try to grub-install from the chroot, it does not have an x86_54 target in /usr/lib/grub, just i386 :/ |
| 12:13.59 | jelly | michael2: okay, that looks sane |
| 12:14.09 | jelly | which means it's not permissions |
| 12:14.34 | jelly | or not standard unix permissions but some extension |
| 12:15.06 | michael2 | jelly: I dont have problems accessing from a shell - its only python programs which have the problem. ansible and ranger file manager |
| 12:15.25 | jken | Anyone good with grub able to point me in the right direction? |
| 12:15.32 | jelly | michael2: ansible is running as user1? |
| 12:16.13 | michael2 | jelly: nah, root |
| 12:16.19 | jelly | why? |
| 12:16.33 | squarecircle | ohai |
| 12:16.49 | squarecircle | I have some problem with my kvm on my Debian 9 host |
| 12:16.55 | michael2 | jelly: because it needs to run commands like apt |
| 12:17.11 | squarecircle | somehow I can't assign more then one host CPU for a vm |
| 12:17.11 | TheRock | one question, if i change my root password and some scammer would call my hoster. could my hoster log-in if he believe it's me and do certain actions on the machine? |
| 12:17.34 | squarecircle | root |
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| 12:17.54 | jelly | michael2: uh, stupid question, why would ansible server need to run apt, it's not ansible on a client? |
| 12:18.51 | jelly | TheRock: it's very dependent on the VM/VPS solution and how the hoster has things set up. Maybe, maybe not. |
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| 12:18.59 | michael2 | jelly: its the ansible "controller host" or whatever you call it -running apt on itself (localhost). I ran demesg and then tried to access the directory - and of course the problem has disappeared and I can't reproduce it not |
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| 12:19.19 | michael2 | s/not/now |
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| 12:20.03 | TheRock | jelly: is there any hoster that has high security standard you can recommend? I just want to put my mysql database there. Would amazon ec2 be a good choice? |
| 12:20.22 | jelly | TheRock: I have no useful opinion there, sorry |
| 12:20.23 | michael2 | ok, problem came back, and no dmesg output |
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| 12:22.41 | jelly | michael2: that path is for the controller (I forgot the ansible slang for that, sorry), not client. Those paths shouldn't need to be accessed on a client. I would run the controller as one normal user, and would have a separate ansible user for connecting to clients. |
| 12:22.42 | michael2 | TheRock: I worked on a project recently we had a mysql server on amazon - it hacked. they deleted the tables and demanded bitcoin. but yeah it wasn't well secured |
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| 12:23.13 | squarecircle | it seems to me that the Debian default configuration for kvm is broken |
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| 12:24.29 | TheRock | michael2: that's not good.;-( |
| 12:24.47 | abrotman | michael2: user error or vendor error? |
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| 12:26.05 | TheRock | I have a safe configuration, but i'm afraid the hoster gives access to my box if he is tricked. so i wonder how i could prvent this |
| 12:26.27 | TheRock | read some stories where scammers called the hoster |
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| 12:27.04 | michael2 | abrotman: it was only a development database full of fake (lorem ipsum type records) so it wasn't secured very well |
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| 12:27.42 | davorin | hmm.. |
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| 12:27.49 | davorin | install with ubuntu 18 went just fine... |
| 12:28.00 | davorin | onboard ethernet and wlan recognized... |
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| 12:44.23 | meta-coder | somiaj: the changelogs are still not available. |
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| 12:53.03 | Deflate | can someone help me with this ? The apache2 is showing me this "DIGEST-MD5 common mech free" |
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| 12:55.11 | squarecircle | error: Requested operation is not valid: cpu affinity is not supported |
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| 12:55.29 | squarecircle | I get this from my vish on my Debian 9 |
| 12:55.33 | squarecircle | *virsh |
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| 12:57.17 | petn-randall | Deflate: That is not an error message, nor is that a problem description. |
| 12:57.18 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 12:57.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:57.20 | petn-randall | Deflate: ^^^ |
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| 12:58.15 | squarecircle | my kvm host does not allocate enough hosts, no I tried debugging it with explicit cpupinning |
| 12:58.35 | squarecircle | how do I fix the broke cpu allocation? |
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| 12:59.14 | colo-work | by not insisting on a specific pinning/cpumask. how you'd do such a thing using libvirt, I don't know. |
| 12:59.17 | petn-randall | squarecircle: It works fine here, but I don't use cpu pinning. |
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| 13:00.43 | squarecircle | petn-randall: I usually don't use cpu pinning, but it does not work fine here even before I tried cpu pinning |
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| 13:09.14 | squarecircle | petn-randall: any idea? |
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| 13:09.46 | colo-work | what happened with no pinning configured? |
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| 13:10.20 | petn-randall | squarecircle: If you don't pin, do you still get "error: Requested operation is not valid: cpu affinity is not supported"? |
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| 13:10.35 | f-a | how to run vi (and not vim)? |
| 13:11.02 | colo-work | f-a, by executing `vi` (that's still going to be vim, usually, with ":set compatible" in effect) |
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| 13:11.21 | squarecircle | petn-randall: no |
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| 13:11.30 | f-a | colo-work: is there a way to get original vi? |
| 13:11.31 | squarecircle | petn-randall: then I get allocation problems |
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| 13:12.15 | colo-work | f-a, there are several clones to choose from; if you want Bill Joy's original vi, you're probably gonna need to find the source |
| 13:12.22 | colo-work | (and compile yourself) |
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| 13:12.37 | f-a | thanks colo-work |
| 13:13.22 | colo-work | you can try "nvi" if you want a clone that's very close to the original |
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| 13:13.37 | f-a | thanks |
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| 13:20.28 | squarecircle | anyone here who had this awful kvm problem? |
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| 13:21.01 | petn-randall | squarecircle: What kind of allocation problems? |
| 13:21.09 | davorin | hmm..wonder why debian9 won't use the e1000e driver for h370 onboard ethernet |
| 13:21.13 | davorin | ubuntu does... |
| 13:21.14 | colo-work | squarecircle, why don't you just undo the change that introduced the pinning config? |
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| 13:21.24 | petn-randall | davorin: Probably only works with a newer kernel. |
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| 13:21.55 | squarecircle | petn-randall: I get only one physical core allocated, no matter what I do to the vm, no matter how many cores I set or what topology |
| 13:22.17 | colo-work | squarecircle, well, did you enable SMP for your guest machines? |
| 13:22.20 | squarecircle | colo-work: I tried to pin because I thought that might help |
| 13:22.26 | colo-work | you probably also need ACPI support these days |
| 13:22.26 | squarecircle | colo-work: where? |
| 13:22.43 | squarecircle | colo-work: how do I activate acpi support? |
| 13:22.48 | colo-work | in the hypervisor config. I don't use libvort, but I know that qemu has a command line switch that governs cpu count. |
| 13:23.06 | colo-work | ACPI support is a matter of your guest's kernel |
| 13:23.52 | davorin | Linux debian 4.15.0-20-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 24 06:16:15 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:24.11 | davorin | what version is 9.4 currently on? |
| 13:24.26 | colo-work | davorin, Debian 9 will always be Linux 4.9 |
| 13:24.27 | somiaj | meta-coder: sounds like a minor/normal bug to me, though unsure which package to report against. You could start with the linux kernel since that is the one that has the changelogs missing. But it might be more something to do with security, but I'm unsure on why some changelogs aren't being copied over the metadata..... |
| 13:24.31 | colo-work | unless you install a backports kernel |
| 13:24.48 | colo-work | squarecircle, what you need to ensure is that the hypervisor (qemu) itself emulates more than one CPU |
| 13:24.59 | colo-work | connectiong to the monitor socket, you can check that via "info cpus" |
| 13:25.03 | colo-work | sample output: |
| 13:25.07 | colo-work | * CPU #0: pc=0xffffffffae211cb2 (halted) thread_id=12019 |
| 13:25.07 | colo-work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:25.13 | colo-work | (from a guest with 2 CPUs emulated) |
| 13:25.25 | colo-work | once you have that, and it still doesn't work, it's a matter of the guest kernel/system |
| 13:25.32 | colo-work | gtg now, best of luck! |
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| 13:30.14 | squarecircle | I can't get my head around this |
| 13:30.38 | squarecircle | I'm starting my vm and its allocating only one CPU |
| 13:30.43 | squarecircle | that can't be real |
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| 13:33.45 | x032cx | if Ian was still around *I* would not have been using debian |
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| 13:35.06 | _Sam-- | why not? |
| 13:35.52 | x032cx | because as he claims he is a white guy with lots of money, lol |
| 13:36.21 | _Sam-- | never met him or knew him. all i know is that i was always grateful debian existed. |
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| 13:44.20 | meta-coder | somiaj: I am surprised that no one else views changelogs of security updates before installing them. Changelog always works in Ubuntu. |
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| 13:45.12 | somiaj | Maybe look into the apt-changelog package, maybe that fetches them from somewhere else. |
| 13:45.37 | squarecircle | its so annoying |
| 13:45.42 | somiaj | or sorry, apt-listchanges |
| 13:45.47 | squarecircle | please can somebody help me |
| 13:45.53 | squarecircle | debugging this junk? |
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| 13:47.03 | squarecircle | why can't my qemu/kvm allocate more then one core? |
| 13:48.27 | petn-randall | meta-coder: apt-listchanges always shows the changelog from within the downloaded package. |
| 13:48.56 | somiaj | meta-coder: but I checked a few other packages in security, and it appears to be the same thing, but as I said, I'm unsure why the security changelogs aren't getting coppied over to the metadata.ftp-master.debian.org that 'apt changelog foo' is looking for. |
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| 13:49.39 | somiaj | and it isn't that the changelogs aren't availble, it is just they aren't being copied for the 'apt changelog' feature, which since there are lots of otehr ways to read the changelogs, maybe not many use that paticular method. |
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| 13:51.03 | somiaj | squarecircle: You do have the hardware cpu virtualizing enabled in your bios/firmware? I'm unsure either, though I've always used libvirt to configure such things. |
| 13:51.19 | squarecircle | somiaj: yes I have |
| 13:51.27 | squarecircle | I'm using libvirt too |
| 13:51.36 | somiaj | with virtmanager, or just virsh? |
| 13:51.47 | squarecircle | somiaj: I have both options here |
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| 13:52.13 | somiaj | yea, i'm unsure what the deal is if you have configured your vm (I'd double check using virt manager unless you are famailr with the xml) to use 2 cpus and it isn't. |
| 13:52.26 | somiaj | all I can say is it worked here for me. |
| 13:52.40 | squarecircle | somiaj: well it works on other machines too |
| 13:53.07 | somiaj | so it is just this paticular guest? |
| 13:53.24 | squarecircle | somiaj: I have some machines that work ootb as I want it, but these tqo machines are installed with the latest Debian netinstall and they break |
| 13:53.41 | noodlepie | Hiya guys! |
| 13:53.59 | squarecircle | somiaj: I don't have anymore guests |
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| 13:54.54 | somiaj | squarecircle: ahh, so it is paticular hosts. I don't really know how to debug this, though I can say it works here in stretch. I'm unsure what could be missing (you have double checked the kvm moudle is loaded and looked for errors in dmesg on the host and then guest)? |
| 13:56.39 | squarecircle | somiaj: so nobody knows |
| 13:56.47 | squarecircle | and the #kvm channel is silent |
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| 13:57.13 | squarecircle | so a lot of people use this and nobody knows how to debug this |
| 13:57.19 | squarecircle | that can't be real |
| 13:57.43 | themill | you could always start by showing actual config or real commands and have a lot less attitude |
| 13:57.47 | somiaj | !nobody |
| 13:57.48 | dpkg | from memory, nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privileges. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privileges. |
| 13:58.17 | squarecircle | themill: I guess attitude does not the right word |
| 13:58.30 | themill | It was correctly chosen. |
| 13:59.03 | squarecircle | themill: I can't find anything for this problem, as this problem never existed and nobody ever had it |
| 13:59.08 | somiaj | ahh, wasn't the factoid I was thinking. Anyways squarecircle, I pointed you at some standard places to try to debug this. Double check configureations, look at dmesg (or journalctl), check logs, etc. Start digging around. |
| 13:59.12 | themill | If your objective is to discourage people from even trying to help you, you're going about it the right way. |
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| 13:59.39 | squarecircle | themill: sitting on this for more then 6 hours, getting desperate by now |
| 13:59.42 | somiaj | well keep digging around, it sounds lke you have done enough already, but sometimes it takes a bit of work. |
| 14:00.08 | squarecircle | themill: no I don't want to discourage people, in the contrary, I'd like help |
| 14:01.25 | squarecircle | somiaj, themill the biggest problem is, that I did the exact same steps on this machine, as I did on another machine, if using the debian 9.3 netinstall earlier and the 9.4 now does not count |
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| 14:03.00 | squarecircle | somiaj, themill oh and thank you very much for helping people here, thats great anyway |
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| 14:04.36 | somiaj | squarecircle: I have to go, but I would stay in libvirt channel on irc.oftc.net (sometimes responses take a while). I woudl also maybe produce some output, like share the xml file for your vm, along with sharing any logs assoicated with it. |
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| 14:04.52 | AndreasLutro | <squarecircle> so a lot of people use this and nobody knows how to debug this |
| 14:05.00 | AndreasLutro | this is an extremely common situation, learn to deal with it |
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| 14:05.13 | meta-coder | petn-randall: somiaj: On Raspbian there is no other option but to use apt-listchanges, but on Ubuntu I am used to viewing changelogs from aptitude for all official packages and it always works. |
| 14:05.22 | squarecircle | somiaj: thank you :) |
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| 14:06.49 | meta-coder | petn-randall: somiaj: I wish it worked on Debian as well. Anyway, thanks! |
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| 14:11.04 | Sepultura | Hallo |
| 14:12.50 | Sepultura | if I make Portforwarding and the Debian is connected via openvpn client to a server do I need to add something? |
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| 14:18.45 | petn-randall | meta-coder: It does work on Debian, but there is sometimes a time delay between package and the changelog being available. |
| 14:19.02 | petn-randall | Sepultura: You still need to add a problem description. |
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| 14:21.48 | Sepultura | petn-randall I have made portforwarding from 192.168.1.200 to x.x.x.150 |
| 14:22.01 | themill | meta-coder: btw there's usually less info in the changelog than in the DSA email about security updates, so it's not that much of an issue. (yes, it would be nice to have for security updates; it works once they are copied across to stable-proposed-updates) |
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| 14:22.36 | Sepultura | and this debian x.200 is connected to openvpn server |
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| 14:23.04 | Sepultura | and got a second IP 10.x.x.x. Do I need to make Portforwarding from OpenVPN |
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| 14:23.34 | Sepultura | do I need to Port forward from 10.x.x to 192.168.1.150? |
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| 14:23.52 | jhutchins_wk | Sepultura: It's not at all clear what your goal is. Port Forwarding and VPN are two different things. |
| 14:24.42 | Sepultura | do I need Portforwarding if I connect to SSH or others ? |
| 14:26.34 | squarecircle | somiaj, themill: oh you are great, many thanks |
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| 14:27.50 | watom | what happend if i have a package from stable-updates and than it get a security update? |
| 14:28.04 | Sepultura | jhutchins there is a RAspberry Pi OpenVPN Client connected to OVPN Server with IP 10.x.x.111. and inside the RaspPi Netword 192.x.x.150 is a Controller Unit |
| 14:28.08 | watom | the security update is probably for stable not stable-updates |
| 14:28.14 | watom | will the package revert to an older patched version? |
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| 14:29.17 | Sepultura | now the MAster of OVPN Server wants to connect to Controller Unit |
| 14:29.35 | petn-randall | watom: security updates are always on top of stable or stable-updates. |
| 14:29.47 | watom | petn-randall: yes but my question is if i will revert in version |
| 14:29.52 | watom | since stable-updates are ahead stable |
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| 14:30.12 | watom | stable-updates usually fix broken software |
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| 14:30.44 | petn-randall | watom: The version number in the security archive is always higher than any version in stable or stable-updates. |
| 14:30.46 | watom | and how they can be on top? i see that the priority is the same |
| 14:31.00 | petn-randall | watom: So you will never "revert" to an older version. |
| 14:31.16 | watom | that's a bit confusing |
| 14:31.23 | petn-randall | How so? |
| 14:31.37 | watom | we have 2 versions |
| 14:31.41 | watom | debian version and software version |
| 14:31.51 | watom | i get that security updates have higher debian version |
| 14:32.04 | watom | the issue is that stable-updates sometimes acn higher the software versione |
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| 14:32.08 | watom | while the security update should not |
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| 14:32.22 | petn-randall | watom: Can you give an example? |
| 14:32.28 | watom | no... |
| 14:32.30 | petn-randall | (one from the archives) |
| 14:32.32 | watom | if i had an example i didn't have to ask |
| 14:33.01 | petn-randall | watom: I don't quite understand what you're thinking about, so ... |
| 14:33.18 | watom | ok let's give a virtual example |
| 14:33.19 | petn-randall | Anyways, regarding version numbers: security > stable-updates > stable |
| 14:33.33 | jhutchins_wk | watom: Security updates will almost always eventually make it into the regular releases. |
| 14:33.35 | watom | "example" is in stable at version 1.0 |
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| 14:33.42 | watom | it get version 1.1 in stable-updates |
| 14:33.49 | watom | than 1.0 get a security fix like 1.0-fixed-security |
| 14:33.53 | jhutchins_wk | watom: That means that the latest security package could be older than the stable or update package. |
| 14:33.54 | watom | what will happen to my 1.1? |
| 14:34.17 | jhutchins_wk | watom: Your imaginary scenario is not real. |
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| 14:34.48 | petn-randall | watom: You'd never get a feature update in stable. So it would be 1.0.0, 1.0.1, and 1.0.2 in the security repo. |
| 14:35.08 | petn-randall | Assuming the security update comes after the stable-update one. |
| 14:35.30 | watom | if the feature update is needed to let the software work i think yes |
| 14:35.33 | watom | that's the purpose of stable-updates |
| 14:35.51 | petn-randall | watom: No, you never get feature updates through stable-updates. |
| 14:35.58 | watom | https://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215.en.html |
| 14:35.58 | petn-randall | watom: You might be thinking about backports. |
| 14:36.01 | watom | "Fixes to leaf packages that were broken by external changes (e.g. video downloading tools and tor)." |
| 14:37.12 | watom | apparently... |
| 14:37.20 | watom | if that happen the package is updated in stable... |
| 14:37.28 | watom | https://packages.debian.org/stretch-updates/unbound and https://packages.debian.org/stretch/unbound are the same |
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| 14:37.36 | petn-randall | ,v unbound |
| 14:37.38 | judd | Package: unbound on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.17-3+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.4.17-3+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1.4.22-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.22-3+deb8u3; jessie-updates: 1.4.22-3+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.6.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6.0-3+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 1.6.0-3+deb9u1; buster: 1.6.7-1; sid: 1.6.7-1 |
| 14:37.46 | watom | same version |
| 14:37.55 | watom | so i guess when a feature update get into stable-updates it goes in stable as well |
| 14:38.00 | watom | so security wil work |
| 14:38.15 | petn-randall | Again, you *never* get feature updates through stable-updates. |
| 14:38.28 | petn-randall | bugfixes only. |
| 14:38.29 | watom | but if a software get a protocol change |
| 14:38.30 | bites | it gets into stable at a point release i believe. |
| 14:38.34 | watom | you need to get a hagher version |
| 14:38.35 | meta-coder | I think -security and -updates archives should be merged into one. |
| 14:38.55 | watom | higher* |
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| 14:39.17 | watom | bites: yeah i think the same based on unbound |
| 14:39.19 | petn-randall | They are split for a reason. |
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| 14:41.09 | watom | an exmaple |
| 14:41.13 | meta-coder | watom: I think the supported combination might be to only enable stable and stable-security repos. If you enable stable-updates you might miss a security update because a higher version package is in stable-updates. |
| 14:41.13 | watom | ,v base-files |
| 14:41.14 | judd | Package: base-files on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.1wheezy11; jessie: 8+deb8u10; stretch-updates: 9.9+deb9u2; stretch: 9.9+deb9u4; buster: 10.1; sid: 10.1 |
| 14:41.23 | watom | as you can see |
| 14:41.28 | watom | the version in -updates is even lower |
| 14:41.31 | watom | lol. |
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| 14:41.53 | watom | couse the main version got a security update |
| 14:41.55 | watom | that got higher than it |
| 14:42.14 | watom | if you don't find this confusing.... |
| 14:42.22 | petn-randall | meta-coder: That is false. |
| 14:42.24 | hicks_ | Sometimes security fixes are just backported, other times packages get a version bump. Depending on how easy or not it is |
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| 14:42.34 | themill | meta-coder: that's why you're supposed to have all 3 sources present and let apt sort it out. |
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| 14:43.16 | watom | i'm really scared i will not get a security couse of -updates |
| 14:43.33 | themill | why? |
| 14:43.43 | petn-randall | watom: You sound like you're manually downloading .deb files to patch your system. It's automated for a reason so the user doesn't have to care about it. |
| 14:43.43 | watom | couse security usually odn't add .x |
| 14:43.46 | watom | while -updates can |
| 14:43.51 | meta-coder | petn-randall: themill: what if a higher-version package from -updates does not have a critical security patch which is there in a lower-version package in -security? |
| 14:44.05 | watom | meta-coder: that's my original question tbh |
| 14:44.16 | themill | no, people write version strings and they make sure they go up |
| 14:44.18 | petn-randall | watom: I'm sound like a broken record by now, but if there's a security update in the security archive, it will *always* have a higher version number than the other repos. |
| 14:44.23 | petn-randall | *sounding |
| 14:44.24 | meta-coder | watom: disable -updates then. Only enable stable and stable-security as a precaution. |
| 14:44.24 | themill | meta-coder: it won't happen. |
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| 14:44.47 | Tenkawa | heres the better question: |
| 14:44.49 | themill | no, that's just silly |
| 14:44.52 | petn-randall | meta-coder: Stop giving bad advice. |
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| 14:45.18 | watom | i have an idea |
| 14:45.22 | watom | maybe when a security come |
| 14:45.25 | watom | and there is something in -updates |
| 14:45.30 | watom | the security is applied to -updates package |
| 14:45.32 | Tenkawa | Are these packages coming from debian approved archive signed repos |
| 14:45.33 | Tenkawa | ? |
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| 14:45.45 | meta-coder | watom: petn-randall: yes, I don't know the actual situation and correct answer. I just gave a precautionary suggestion. |
| 14:46.23 | themill | no, it's a silly suggestion that is reinforcing a misconception |
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| 14:46.48 | Tenkawa | if they aren't you are just adding a mess |
| 14:47.01 | watom | it's a defaut repository |
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| 14:47.06 | meta-coder | petn-randall: You said "They are split for a reason." What is that reason? One should be able to enable only one if they want. |
| 14:47.13 | oktaya | Hello guys. How can I disable access to logging in via tty1 ? this stretch box is getting hacked hard |
| 14:47.18 | watom | well -updates is about fixes |
| 14:47.23 | watom | -security is about security |
| 14:47.32 | Tenkawa | right.. you need both |
| 14:47.38 | apollo13 | oktaya: hacked via tty1? :D |
| 14:47.47 | watom | oktaya: what |
| 14:47.54 | watom | how you can hack tty? |
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| 14:48.10 | Tenkawa | oktaya: you need physical access for that |
| 14:48.13 | oktaya | ok . i don't know how it's hacked yet |
| 14:48.16 | oktaya | no that's the thing. |
| 14:48.29 | watom | you should review how you start X probably |
| 14:48.33 | oktaya | there's no X |
| 14:48.37 | watom | if you talk about ^C the session |
| 14:48.38 | oktaya | this is a KVM gues |
| 14:48.39 | petn-randall | meta-coder: security.debian.org contains only mirrors in control of the security team. |
| 14:48.40 | Tenkawa | tty1 is the "physical" tty |
| 14:48.40 | oktaya | guest |
| 14:48.46 | Tenkawa | ahhhh |
| 14:48.49 | oktaya | Yup :) |
| 14:48.59 | oktaya | but the host isn't hacked, the guest is. |
| 14:49.08 | oktaya | Pulling my hair here. |
| 14:49.12 | petn-randall | oktaya: And what part of this is Debian? |
| 14:49.14 | Tenkawa | why do you think this? |
| 14:49.29 | meta-coder | petn-randall: Why isn't stable and stable-updates just one archive? |
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| 14:49.43 | oktaya | Tenkawa: they are crypto miners. the host is much more beefier. they would use that if they could |
| 14:49.45 | watom | meta-coder: tought the same |
| 14:50.09 | oktaya | petn-randall: where remving the 'console' line in defaults/grub.cfg doesn't disable TTYs |
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| 14:50.59 | meta-coder | Who wants to download old vulnerable 'stable' packages from Internet? There is always the snapshot.debian.org if you want to do that. stable and stable-updates should be merged into one. |
| 14:51.03 | Tenkawa | oktaya: can you get into the guest vm at all? |
| 14:51.20 | petn-randall | meta-coder: Did you do any research on this before making the suggestion? |
| 14:51.32 | oktaya | Tenkawa: yes I am in it. |
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| 14:51.39 | petn-randall | oktaya: Again. Is any of those machines on Debian? |
| 14:51.58 | Tenkawa | oktaya: run top... is anything taking up large amounts of cpu |
| 14:52.10 | Tenkawa | and what pete said |
| 14:52.11 | meta-coder | petn-randall: No. :) |
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| 14:52.58 | oktaya | Tenkawa: i already killed the harvesting script. w |
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| 14:53.08 | oktaya | petn-randall: yes the guest is debian |
| 14:53.11 | Tenkawa | I'd like to help but I do need to follow the rules |
| 14:53.11 | oktaya | stretch |
| 14:53.16 | somiaj | meta-coder: file a bug, maybe against the apt package, and say that security changelogs cannot be accessed via apt changelog foo, without a bug report, nothing will change. |
| 14:53.26 | petn-randall | oktaya: And the host? |
| 14:53.34 | oktaya | petn-randall: latest centos |
| 14:53.39 | meta-coder | somiaj: Ok. |
| 14:53.47 | petn-randall | oktaya: And how do you think they log in via tty1? |
| 14:53.50 | Tenkawa | petn-randall: it sounded like a kvm cluster |
| 14:53.53 | watom | wait i have a new meaning for stable-update |
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| 14:54.03 | watom | i believe that repository changed its meaning over time |
| 14:54.22 | watom | now are just packages that you would have updated before the new .x debian stable release |
| 14:54.28 | oktaya | petn-randall: i don't know how but last and auth.log show 'tty1' just like when I log into the console with virt-manager |
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| 14:54.34 | watom | that change everything :p |
| 14:54.42 | meta-coder | petn-randall: What is the purpose of preserving original 'stable' repo even if it goes stale? |
| 14:54.49 | themill | somiaj, meta-coder: it's not apt, it's ftp.debian.org and there is already one there iirc |
| 14:54.55 | watom | meta-coder: it doesnt |
| 14:55.06 | watom | stable repository is updated every 3 months like |
| 14:55.35 | oktaya | Are ttys disabled in /etc/inittab ? |
| 14:55.40 | watom | but you have some packages that need constant updates. so you have -updates |
| 14:56.09 | somiaj | themill: I tried to look for a bug, but didn't check one against ftp.debian.org -- wasn't exactly sure where to put this info (or if it was already known). meta-coder I would listen to themill on this. |
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| 14:56.20 | watom | still.. i believe to fix the security problem |
| 14:56.31 | watom | when a package have a security patch it will work on the -updates version |
| 14:56.33 | watom | and it will get to stable |
| 14:56.35 | Tenkawa | oktaya: for systemd based systems yes |
| 14:56.51 | watom | that's the only way probably to not get issues |
| 14:56.51 | Tenkawa | there shouldnt even be one anymore |
| 14:57.02 | oktaya | Tenkawa: there's no systemd |
| 14:57.08 | Tenkawa | if I remember correctly |
| 14:57.27 | Tenkawa | then you'd have to go look |
| 14:57.30 | petn-randall | Tenkawa: If they have "physical" access to the VM, you have bigger problems than ttys spawning. |
| 14:57.42 | watom | still not sure how you hack a tty |
| 14:57.42 | Tenkawa | petn-randall: i agree |
| 14:58.05 | Tenkawa | I dont think they do |
| 14:58.05 | oktaya | You don't hack a tty but logging into a tty does not mean physical access |
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| 14:58.38 | watom | tbh i don't think that blocking ttywill help |
| 14:58.50 | watom | you don't even know how they got in |
| 14:58.51 | Tenkawa | I think we have an incomplete picture |
| 14:59.03 | themill | fwiw 490848 |
| 14:59.19 | watom | not even sure if it's an hacker |
| 14:59.19 | oktaya | watom: true it is. I know I have to reinstall but since I don't know how they entered that would probably be no solution |
| 14:59.24 | watom | or you reading log in a bad way |
| 14:59.28 | Tenkawa | and you've already removed data we needed to possible help analyze it |
| 14:59.42 | Tenkawa | watom: agreed |
| 14:59.54 | watom | link the material |
| 14:59.56 | watom | you have |
| 14:59.58 | oktaya | no sir. it is a hacker. a new test user with root access was added and there script and json files for cryptomining |
| 15:00.08 | watom | :D nice |
| 15:00.21 | oktaya | they added a grub password |
| 15:00.22 | watom | if they got root... |
| 15:00.27 | watom | you need a clean install |
| 15:00.28 | oktaya | who does that. shit |
| 15:00.35 | watom | but maybe it would help to understand how they did |
| 15:00.37 | watom | to not get hacked again |
| 15:00.43 | oktaya | yup. |
| 15:00.58 | bites | first change the wallet address in their mining config ^^ |
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| 15:01.56 | oktaya | why the logins are specifically through tty1 though. that's what I don't get. |
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| 15:02.07 | oktaya | even after they create the user with root rights they don't use ssh |
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| 15:02.09 | meta-coder | somiaj: themill: Woah! This is a very old bug. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490848 |
| 15:02.11 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/490848 in ftp.debian.org (open, confirmed): «Please include changelog and copyright after security uploads»; severity: normal; opened: 2008-07-14; last modified: 2018-01-28. |
| 15:02.47 | meta-coder | See the merged ones too. |
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| 15:07.10 | oktaya | Guys .. Do you think this tty1 login thing can be a vnc vulnerability ? |
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| 15:09.29 | petn-randall | oktaya: If you have unprotected VNC enabled, sure. |
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| 15:10.27 | SirLagz | so. I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers package from the repos, rather than use the nvidia installer. however, it seems that some of the packages are different versions to others - 375.82 vs 384.111 - are my repos not up to date or something? is that why the package versions don't match? |
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| 15:13.10 | jelly | oktaya: which debian release did you have and when was the last time it was patched? |
| 15:13.21 | Sepultura | https://nopaste.xyz/?300ed0411da050da#QkHtPB9xUMyzw6TRiehbcaVCTwv1RfebZ82/irimkJI= do you see errors in this script? |
| 15:13.56 | somiaj | meta-coder: well now you know, just use the DSA or the tracker if you want another way to grab the changelog before installing. |
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| 15:14.26 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 15:14.27 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.48-3; sid/non- |
| 15:14.28 | judd | free: 390.48-3 |
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| 15:15.13 | watom | someone know why list of files in backports |
| 15:15.16 | watom | are empty? https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/amd64/btrfs-compsize/filelist |
| 15:15.19 | somiaj | SirLagz: what version of debian and what repos? Look at things like apt policy, and apt policy packagename. |
| 15:15.35 | SirLagz | somiaj: stable, internode repos. |
| 15:16.19 | somiaj | SirLagz: do you have stretch-backports? Care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy' and the 'apt-cache policy packagenames' where packagenames is a list of some nvidia packages that have conflicting versions. |
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| 15:17.21 | SirLagz | somiaj: no backports, sure I'll paste it up in a sec |
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| 15:18.52 | SirLagz | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/569a9034/ |
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| 15:20.05 | somiaj | SirLagz: and how apt cache policy package1 package2, where this is a list of the packages you see the conflicting versions in. |
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| 15:20.28 | SirLagz | somiaj: yep, posting up now |
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| 15:22.24 | BLU42 | Hello, I'm trying to get Debian to play nice with EFI. I've installed it correctly, I believe... 1024 MB EFI bootable partition, / and swap rest of disk. booted into USB and installed debian, |
| 15:22.45 | SirLagz | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/dffe2511/ |
| 15:22.51 | SirLagz | somiaj: sorry for the delay, keyboard is giving me issues |
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| 15:23.41 | BLU42 | I have been getting an error where "sp5100_tco address is already in use", the resolution seems to be to blacklist the i2c_piix4 module. So I put that in my on-boot grub boot parameters, at the end of the linux stanza |
| 15:24.04 | BLU42 | When I boot the computer now, I don't see the error. However, there are no errors, and the system doesn't boot. |
| 15:24.44 | BLU42 | last lines on the screen: "/dev/sda2: recovering journal" && "/dev/sda2: clean, xx/xxxxx files, xxxx/xxxxx blocks", and then no more information is provided |
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| 15:24.45 | SirLagz | somiaj: when I boot with those 7 packages installed, I get this error - NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 384.90, but this kernel module has the version 375.82. Please make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version. |
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| 15:25.33 | somiaj | SirLagz: Did you run the nvida-installer-cleanup, the error you are getting doesn't relate to the versions avaialble, so mayb eyou have some artifacts left around from using th envidia installer? |
| 15:25.39 | BLU42 | My question: how might i enable a more verbose output during boot so that I can see where it is hanging? some flag I can set for verbose boot in grub's linux stanza? |
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| 15:25.53 | SirLagz | somiaj: yes |
| 15:26.08 | SirLagz | somiaj: should I try running it again? |
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| 15:26.27 | somiaj | SirLagz: I agree it seems strange to have those number differences, but I run them on my desktop just fine, and it appears the version bump in some of the packages was due to a security issue which you could track down, but I don't think that is your issue. |
| 15:26.38 | SirLagz | somiaj: hmm I see |
| 15:27.23 | somiaj | SirLagz: it seems you still have some glx libs 384.90 on your system, while stretches kernel uses the 375.82 version. |
| 15:28.04 | somiaj | and my guess is the issue is due to the using the nvidia installer, and you may need to reinstall all nvidia packages to ensure they overwrite anything left behind by the installer |
| 15:28.23 | SirLagz | somiaj: I've already uninstalled and reinstalled all nvidia packages twice |
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| 15:29.12 | somiaj | SirLagz: this error comes from just trying to startx? |
| 15:29.18 | SirLagz | somiaj: it's in the kernel logs |
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| 15:29.33 | SirLagz | somiaj: hang on, I'll reinstall the driver packages again and see waht teh xorg log says. I've forgotten now |
| 15:30.23 | somiaj | SirLagz: did you completely purge all the nvidia packages then reinstall or just remove? |
| 15:31.27 | SirLagz | somiaj: completely purge |
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| 15:33.00 | somiaj | there is something floating around from using the nvidia installer most likely that the cleanup tool didn't get. Unsure the best way to fix this, maybe make sure after you purge all the nvidia packages, you then check and remove any nvidia modules still laying around in your kernel. |
| 15:34.17 | SirLagz | somiaj: thanks. any suggestions on how to hunt down any leftover modules? |
| 15:34.24 | somiaj | and if you are just looking for things to try, here is an idea that may or may not help. Reboot off the hold 4.9.0-5-amd64 kernel, then completely purge the 4.9.0-6-amd64 kernel, (see if anything is still left in /lib/modules/4.9.0-6-amd64) and then reinstall the kernel |
| 15:34.49 | somiaj | I would remove anything left in the modules directory, that may help. |
| 15:35.44 | SirLagz | somiaj: I only just installed the new kernel last night I think |
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| 15:37.16 | SirLagz | somiaj: can't seem to find any glx modules...\ |
| 15:38.16 | krushchev | hi guys |
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| 15:39.38 | blaztek | Hi krushchev |
| 15:39.53 | somiaj | SirLagz: It appears that the older kernel is still available in security, you can also try snapshot if you want to install it, you could also use a live system, and then chroot into your install to purge the current kernel, and then reinstall (along with make sure you remove any stray modules) |
| 15:40.18 | somiaj | SirLagz: I don't really know what the issue could be, but this hammer might get it. |
| 15:40.49 | noodlepie | Just going to update our communal Debian desktop |
| 15:40.49 | SirLagz | somiaj: hmmm...maybe I should just stick with the nvidia blob installer on this system =/ |
| 15:40.53 | noodlepie | workstation rather |
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| 15:41.57 | noodlepie | since people do work on it. Its all the free stuff in Debian, you can't beat it, except with maybe, Gentoo for example. I use that on my 8thread i7 laptop since it has the speed necessary to compile everything. They're both excellent example of community sharing |
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| 15:47.09 | jelly-home | hello comrade |
| 15:47.10 | jelly-home | SirLagz: or wait until debian packages up the fixed version |
| 15:47.50 | SirLagz | jelly-home: I'm suspecting it's more of an issue with my system rather than the packages |
| 15:48.41 | SirLagz | I thought it'd be a good time to follow the advice from #debian and switch to the packaged nvidia drivers rather than use the installer blob from nvidia |
| 15:48.51 | SirLagz | since I was updating the kernel anyway |
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| 16:05.18 | SirLagz | gives up |
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| 16:10.47 | nicomachus | hi all. I have a raspberry pi 3b running a modified version of Stretch (OSMC), and I'm having some trouble getting a program called librespot to output to the correct alsa device. It will ONLY output to HDMI, not the 3.5mm aux output. |
| 16:11.53 | nicomachus | Kodi will output to either device just fine. but with librespot, if I set the --device flag to hw:0,1 it will output through HDMI. if I set it to hw:0,0 it will output to... HDMI. |
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| 16:13.46 | drzacek | hi |
| 16:13.50 | jelly | !osmc |
| 16:13.50 | dpkg | OSMC is a Linux distribution enabling the <Raspberry Pi> and other devices to operate as an <XBMC> front-end. It is not supported in #debian. https://osmc.tv/ #osmc on chat.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:13.56 | drzacek | how to disable hotkeys on openbox/debian? |
| 16:14.10 | nicomachus | jelly: yes, thanks. that channel is dead with no responses for 3 days now, so I thought I could try here. |
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| 16:15.45 | jelly | nicomachus: ask in #raspberrypi or ##Linux then, we still don't deal with derivative distros because it's often the differences that make the bugs |
| 16:16.13 | jelly | ,v librespot |
| 16:16.15 | judd | No package named 'librespot' was found in amd64. |
| 16:16.25 | jelly | librespot isn't in debian at all apparently |
| 16:16.31 | nicomachus | not the repos, no. |
| 16:16.51 | nicomachus | and it's currently unmaintained, which sucks, because it's the only option available to enable spotify connect on RPIs. |
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| 16:21.06 | jelly | nicomachus: find a more general channel that can help debug it to see if it opens the right device at all, then maybe fork it and fix the code and be the new maintainer? |
| 16:21.24 | nicomachus | jelly: if only I had the skillset for that. :D |
| 16:22.08 | jelly | it's less hard than you think |
| 16:22.31 | drzacek | ok found it |
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| 16:33.35 | chachasmooth | is kernel live patching enabled on squeeze? I've just upgraded to the latest kernel and `uname -r` already shows I'm running the new version (without a prior sys reboot) |
| 16:33.45 | himuraken | Any have any idea where gnome connection manager went or know of a Debian friendly replacement? |
| 16:33.46 | jelly | chachasmooth: no |
| 16:33.56 | jelly | chachasmooth: it's basically not enabled anywhere in debian |
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| 16:34.26 | chachasmooth | jelly why does uname show the updated version then? |
| 16:34.30 | jelly | chachasmooth: squeeze is however very old and has not had kernel updates in a while |
| 16:35.22 | jelly | chachasmooth: and it probably did not have kernel ABI updates for even longer. Unlike Ubuntu Debian tries to keep `uname -r` the same acroess kernel package upgrades if at all possible |
| 16:35.36 | chachasmooth | sorry, stretch not squeeze |
| 16:35.54 | jelly | chachasmooth: what does uname -a say |
| 16:36.46 | chachasmooth | Linux red 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:36.50 | chachasmooth | so .82 is the live kernel? |
| 16:36.53 | jelly | yes |
| 16:37.11 | jelly | the new one, 4.9.88-1 will keep the same 4.9.0-6-amd64 ABI |
| 16:37.26 | chachasmooth | jelly thanks for explaining, I guess a reboot is due now |
| 16:37.35 | jelly | yep |
| 16:38.11 | chachasmooth | why has live patching not been incorporated into Debian yet? |
| 16:38.45 | Igel | ksplice? |
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| 16:39.40 | jelly | chachasmooth: because it's a lot of work |
| 16:39.57 | RoyK | Igel: not ksplice - there's a new thing in kernel for that |
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| 16:40.30 | jelly | RoyK: same as the old thing? :-) |
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| 16:43.48 | Stanley678 | i feel that browsing on my new 64bit debian9 is slower then on my old sistem debian8 32bit... how can that be? |
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| 16:53.58 | quarterback | I have debian 8 and it is somewhat slower than debian 7 I had a few years ago. Same configuration of hardware. |
| 16:54.13 | quarterback | Currently using debian 9.4 * |
| 16:54.38 | quarterback | Do you happen to have ram < 2GB? |
| 16:55.15 | quarterback | Something to do do with hw acceleration of your GPU? |
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| 17:11.47 | thvle | People, why if my nvidia card is supposed to support acceleration hardware, I do not notice that the use of the processor is reduced by streaming videos ?? (in VLC neither too) |
| 17:12.45 | Brigo | thvle, are you using the right drivers? |
| 17:13.10 | thvle | default nouveau drivers of debian 9.4 |
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| 17:30.42 | maurer | I'm in the middle of upgrading from jessie to stretch. GRUB reported https://gist.github.com/a18524ce12493a0b1f73629aa96e234e |
| 17:30.59 | maurer | Is there some action I should be taking before proceeding? |
| 17:31.14 | maurer | (This occurred during the "upgrade" step after changing the sources, but I have not run dist-upgrade yet) |
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| 17:45.32 | karlpinc | I realize that wheezy is going out of LTS at the end of the month, but I'm curious as to why I can't upgrade the kernel from security.debian.org. dumbo:~# uname -a |
| 17:45.32 | karlpinc | Linux dumbo 3.2.0-5-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.96-3 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:45.32 | karlpinc | dumbo:~# apt-cache policy linux-image-686-pae |
| 17:45.32 | karlpinc | linux-image-686-pae: |
| 17:45.35 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:46.57 | karlpinc | ! Whoops. I was wrong about what was in my paste buffer. http://paste.debian.net/1022970/ |
| 17:47.18 | karlpinc | So anyway, wheezy won't update its kernel and I'm wondering why not. |
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| 17:49.55 | annadane | be thankful that only that was in your paste buffer and not something more embarrasing :-) |
| 17:50.34 | skizzy | I've got a problem. I did sudo chown -R myuser /dir and now when I try to change into that directory as myuser it says permission denied? |
| 17:50.40 | skizzy | IT's something i copied form windows |
| 17:50.42 | skizzy | from |
| 17:51.30 | AndreasLutro | can you show the exact command you ran? |
| 17:51.49 | skizzy | sudo chown -R tim /home/tim/directory |
| 17:51.52 | karlpinc | skizzy: Ownership is different from permission to do something. |
| 17:52.11 | skizzy | I also did a chmod 0755 on that folder |
| 17:52.40 | AndreasLutro | what's the output of `ls -l /home/tim/directory` if you run it as "tim"? |
| 17:52.56 | karlpinc | skizzy: Do you have 'x' permission on (all) the ancestor directories? |
| 17:53.06 | skizzy | I did chmod again and now it's working |
| 17:53.11 | skizzy | I must not have actually hit enter |
| 17:53.28 | karlpinc | skizzy: |
| 17:53.33 | karlpinc | So it goes. :-) |
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| 17:57.39 | edju | Running Jessie with KDE. I want to use nm-applet, and have installed network-manager-gnome. I've googled a lot and have not found a site which explains the process satisfactorily. If anyone has a pointer I'd appreciate it. |
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| 18:14.01 | _Sam-- | they even have their own song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6tQzMhqhLc |
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| 18:25.25 | OS-37941 | do any one know tho to solve ex 1.3.12 |
| 18:25.47 | OS-37941 | gunzip access_lot.txt.gz |
| 18:25.54 | OS-37941 | is not working form |
| 18:25.57 | OS-37941 | for me |
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| 18:26.18 | mutante | OS-37941: what's ex 1.3.12? |
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| 18:27.15 | OS-37941 | in the note page 48 |
| 18:27.34 | mutante | OS-37941: are you on the wrong channel? |
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| 18:27.50 | mutante | sounds like you are expecting an internal chat for a class room or so |
| 18:28.11 | OS-37941 | sorry |
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| 18:29.39 | jim | OS-37941, curious, what book is it you're taking these exercises out of? |
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| 18:42.17 | Mmike | Hi! If I build a package on a remote machine (super-beefy-server-somewhere), can I somehow sign .dsc there without moving it to my local box (or without moving .gnupg directory to the build-machine) ? |
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| 18:43.10 | GNU\colossus | are you aware of https://wiki.gnupg.org/AgentForwarding ? |
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| 18:43.48 | Mmike | GNU\colossus, yes, but I'm using 'older' version of gnupg (1.4.something) |
| 18:44.08 | Mmike | and I know people did this before gnupg2.1 |
| 18:44.28 | Mmike | oh, but I have gpg2 |
| 18:44.32 | Mmike | oh oh oh! |
| 18:45.17 | Mmike | GNU\colossus, ack, thnx :) |
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| 19:10.35 | TheRock | I have secured my server, but is there any effective way to prevent the hoster from accessing it? |
| 19:11.25 | TheRock | i. e. if a scammer calls my hoster, tells him to reset the root password with a live cd for example |
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| 19:11.39 | TheRock | i've read some group stole 50m in bitcoin this way |
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| 19:12.54 | TheRock | full disk encryption with veracrypt from example? |
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| 19:13.55 | jim | well one way is use your own server... you can also talk to the hoster |
| 19:14.58 | TheRock | yes coloc would be possible, but they could still access it |
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| 19:26.03 | tw | Off topic, but don't access or store wallets with remote machines. |
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| 19:27.18 | tw | Short version is no. If someone wants to go to the trouble of making a custom rooted kernel image and plop it on your /boot and you don't have secureboot enabled, there's no practical defense. |
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| 19:29.17 | jim | well your only defense are the people who work there, and the agreements you've made (not a hard defense, but at least this is gonna slow em down) |
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| 19:40.24 | funny_tux | is this really about linux? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpDdGOKZ3dg |
| 19:42.07 | jim | well the 55 years part is a major clue |
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| 19:43.26 | jim | people in the know say linux started in 1991 |
| 19:43.54 | TheRock | my computer is windows, but iam stil inside this channel. so my computer is offtopic? |
| 19:44.35 | jim | TheRock, "things that make you go 'hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....'"... |
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| 19:45.06 | jim | TheRock, your computer isn't speaking here, you are |
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| 19:45.27 | TheRock | but my computer is used for it |
| 19:45.27 | jim | do you have debian installed somewhere? |
| 19:45.32 | Thedarkb-X40 | I'm trying to track down a mini PCI atheros. |
| 19:45.38 | TheRock | yes |
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| 19:45.58 | Thedarkb-X40 | I can't get the wifi driver for my current card modprobed in. |
| 19:46.02 | jim | Thedarkb-X40, I think I saw one on amazon |
| 19:46.05 | Thedarkb-X40 | So I'm stuck with the devil's distro :P |
| 19:47.04 | jim | Thedarkb-X40, let's see,.. could you: lspci -nn | grep -i net | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 19:47.22 | Thedarkb-X40 | I don't have Debian on this rig at the moment. |
| 19:47.59 | Thedarkb-X40 | http://termbin.com/cdcs |
| 19:48.10 | jim | is "my current card" in "this rig at the moment"? |
| 19:48.10 | Thedarkb-X40 | jim, |
| 19:48.14 | Thedarkb-X40 | Yup |
| 19:48.29 | Thedarkb-X40 | I had the necessary firmware. |
| 19:48.38 | Thedarkb-X40 | But I couldn't persuade it to load. |
| 19:48.54 | jim | are you running linux on it? |
| 19:49.00 | Thedarkb-X40 | Ubuntu |
| 19:49.09 | Thedarkb-X40 | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (600MHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 1.2 GiB Total (689.1 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (945.3 MiB Free) ⢠Storage: 14.9 GB / 31.8 GB (16.9 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Contr |
| 19:49.10 | Thedarkb-X40 | oller ⢠Uptime: 1h 21m 32s |
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| 19:49.23 | jim | ok, go ahead and run that command |
| 19:49.26 | Thedarkb-X40 | Already did. |
| 19:49.31 | Thedarkb-X40 | Pasted the link up above. |
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| 19:49.48 | jim | oh there it is :) |
| 19:49.51 | Thedarkb-X40 | :P |
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| 19:50.31 | Thedarkb-X40 | As of today this laptop is on its third CMOS battery. |
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| 19:51.20 | jim | ok, do you have a way to connect the ethernet to the net you're on? |
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| 19:52.52 | Thedarkb-X40 | jim, I can get the card to work under ubuntu. |
| 19:52.59 | Thedarkb-X40 | I just can't figure out why it won't work under Debian. |
| 19:53.08 | jim | which card? you have two |
| 19:53.16 | Thedarkb-X40 | I'm going to replace it anyway because it has a tendency to drop the signal. |
| 19:53.22 | Thedarkb-X40 | Oh, the Wifi card. |
| 19:53.32 | jim | got an eth cable |
| 19:53.33 | jim | ? |
| 19:53.48 | Thedarkb-X40 | I have but I don't plan on sorting this out now. |
| 19:53.56 | Thedarkb-X40 | I need the computer. |
| 19:54.04 | Thedarkb-X40 | Besides, the wifi is fine under Debian |
| 19:54.13 | Thedarkb-X40 | err, I mean Ubuntu |
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| 19:55.30 | jim | oh ok... so: when you do want to sort it out, try connecting debian with the ethernet to your router, and if that's successful (you get on the net), come here |
| 19:56.11 | jim | I can't do much without that as minimum |
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| 19:57.05 | jim | whoever would help you out then, would probably need the pastebin you made |
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| 19:58.29 | jim | you probably just have missing firmware, which for most intel wireless, can be dealt with in a snap (given some net connectivity)\ |
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| 20:00.30 | Thedarkb-X40 | jim, I did not have missing firmware. |
| 20:00.35 | Thedarkb-X40 | I had the firmware. |
| 20:00.46 | Thedarkb-X40 | It just wouldn't load and I couldn't modprobe it in. |
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| 20:01.39 | Thedarkb-X40 | I'm ditching this card anyway. |
| 20:01.50 | Thedarkb-X40 | It uses the ipw2200 firmware. |
| 20:02.02 | Thedarkb-X40 | and I absolutely had that installed. |
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| 20:03.04 | jim | ok... so I guessed wrong, and right or wrong, doesn't matter now, as you don't want to deal with it now |
| 20:03.27 | Thedarkb-X40 | Yup |
| 20:03.38 | jim | which is perfectly fine... just come back when you do |
| 20:03.42 | Thedarkb-X40 | I'm changing to a different card anyway so it's really not a big deal. |
| 20:03.50 | Thedarkb-X40 | Atheros is well supported AFAIK |
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| 20:04.26 | jim | yeah, I heard some bad news about atheros... they went back to their proprietary ways |
| 20:04.58 | jim | I dunno, maybe an older atheros would work fine |
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| 20:05.10 | Thedarkb-X40 | This laptop doesn't support PCIe so I'm probably alright. |
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| 20:05.31 | jim | you might want to stick with what you have |
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| 20:06.07 | Thedarkb-X40 | Why? |
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| 20:06.46 | jim | well for one thing it's known to work in at least one linux based os |
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| 20:07.05 | Murii_ | is there a command to see how old (in days) my laptop is? |
| 20:07.18 | Murii_ | since it has been first booted until now |
| 20:07.31 | greycat | First booted? No. |
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| 20:08.02 | Thedarkb-X40 | Check your BIOS date, it's usually that ± a year. |
| 20:08.03 | greycat | You could maybe perhaps work out when you installed Debian, but even that would take some work and may not be guaranteed. |
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| 20:08.38 | Thedarkb-X40 | Unless you updated it that is. |
| 20:08.40 | Murii_ | Thedarkb-X40- I was thinking there might be something there but I was wondering if I can do it directly from the terminal |
| 20:09.00 | nmschulte | I need to run VirtualBox (Vagrant) and KVM/QEMU/virt-manager (and also, later/otherwise: Docker/lxc). VirtualBox complains about KVM hogging hypervisor resources (VT-x is being used by another hypervisor (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE). VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable KVM ... rebuild kernel... other nonsense etc.). How can I do this without disabling KVM at boot? |
| 20:09.06 | Murii_ | I'll just look up the number no |
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| 20:09.28 | greycat | Oh, you meant actual age of the hardware? Yeah, that's not going to be a thing you can run a command to find. |
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| 20:11.28 | Thedarkb-X40 | Murii_, ThinkPads have the date stamped in the hard drive bay or somewhere else on the chassis. |
| 20:11.42 | Murii_ | has a x220 model :) |
| 20:11.43 | Thedarkb-X40 | This one was made on the 14th of june 2005. |
| 20:11.59 | Thedarkb-X40 | My X200 definitely has a date, I just can't remember where. |
| 20:12.09 | Murii_ | I'll look it up now |
| 20:12.30 | Thedarkb-X40 | Much disassembly required. |
| 20:12.42 | Murii_ | oh |
| 20:13.14 | Thedarkb-X40 | It's stamped internally, often in the HDD bay or under the mobo |
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| 20:26.04 | DammitJim | what is the recommended way to backup data files (from different directories) and then compressing them to copy them to external storage? |
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| 20:27.55 | kwame | tar and then scp |
| 20:28.05 | kwame | DammitJim: tar and then scp |
| 20:28.34 | DammitJim | is there such a thing as doing something like: rsync -> tar |
| 20:28.50 | karlpinc | DammitJim: There's no point. |
| 20:28.54 | DammitJim | then the next time the "backup job" runs, untar, rsync, and tar again? |
| 20:29.11 | DammitJim | I meant to keep the storage usage low? |
| 20:29.29 | DammitJim | instead of having to transfer so much data over the wire? |
| 20:29.38 | DammitJim | so, only updates... |
| 20:30.17 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You could do rsync backups with hard links. If you've got more than 10 copies or so at the remote end. See the rsnapshot or dirvish packages, or just use rsync. |
| 20:30.19 | kwame | so you are looking for incremental backups only, right? |
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| 20:30.52 | DammitJim | yeah... remote incrementals, but compressed in the end |
| 20:31.20 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You get "compression" with rsync hard links by not having multiple data copies. |
| 20:31.44 | DammitJim | oh? |
| 20:31.58 | karlpinc | DammitJim: If you keep hundreds of backups and most stuff does not change then you get super-high "compression" ratios. |
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| 20:33.12 | DammitJim | I"m going to have to read up on that |
| 20:33.20 | DammitJim | I"m not sure I'm understanding the hard links part |
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| 20:33.22 | karlpinc | DammitJim: man rsync and look for --link-dest |
| 20:33.26 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 20:33.31 | karlpinc | man ln |
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| 20:34.56 | karlpinc | DammitJim: info coreutils ln |
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| 20:36.18 | wodny | hi, there is a new version of linux-image-686-pae for wheezy ie. 3.2+46+deb7u2, it depends on linux-image-3.2.0-6-686-pae which seems to be missing. did i miss something about that package's upgrade? |
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| 20:39.20 | greycat | wheezy's linux-image-amd64 is also currently not installable; just gotta wait, I guess |
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| 20:39.41 | TheRock | guys my compputer runs on windows |
| 20:39.50 | TheRock | can i use it to communicate in this channel ? |
| 20:40.02 | rpifan | i need to make an image of my current drive while its running to an external drive what would be a good tool for that |
| 20:40.08 | rpifan | that wouldnt get tripped up by the system being live |
| 20:40.22 | greycat | TheRock: sure, but we only want to hear about Debian here, not Windows or anything else |
| 20:40.32 | annadane | greycat, https://bugs.debian.org/897460 |
| 20:41.05 | greycat | sounds about right |
| 20:41.52 | TheRock | thanks, so it's not a problem that my text is coming from a windows machine |
| 20:42.13 | karlpinc | TheRock: Nope. Not a problem if it works for you. |
| 20:42.19 | greycat | As long as you talk about Debian, nobody would even know. |
| 20:42.31 | wodny | greycat: Ah, I've missed that amd64 is also uninstallable, apticron didn't send me a message yet. So I will wait. Thanks. |
| 20:43.01 | TheRock | i think that you can FINGER me to get my computer version. i don't want to get problems here |
| 20:43.19 | karlpinc | rpifan: The usual way to do something like that is to use LVM snapshots, or snapshots in a filesystem like zfs. You copy the snapshot. But perhaps you should tell us what you think "an image" is, just to be sure we're using the same vocabularly. |
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| 20:43.40 | rpifan | just to clone my current drive basically |
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| 20:44.41 | karlpinc | rpifan: What do you expect to do with the "clone"? |
| 20:44.55 | wodny | annadane: thanks for the bug report |
| 20:45.11 | rpifan | just transfer some files back into the drive later |
| 20:45.12 | rpifan | doesnt have to be a block by block build |
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| 20:51.19 | karlpinc | rpifan: It could be that the easiest choice is to just "cp -a" it. If the file is in-use and being modified that particular file will be incomplete or invalid. Do you care? |
| 20:52.11 | rpifan | i dont think its vital, couodnt i just rsync it too? |
| 20:52.17 | karlpinc | rpifan: (Note that databases typically have their own "dump" commands to get data out and into the filesystem, and the dumped file is what is used to recover. The other choice is some sort of database-specific data replication.) |
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| 20:52.54 | karlpinc | rpifan: Yes, but rsync has little to negative value if you're not going over a network. (Sometimes's it's got some good features, sometimes negative performance compared to cp.) |
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| 20:53.24 | dionysus69 | ok that's it |
| 20:53.26 | karlpinc | rpifan: So if you've got a database you'll want to dump it before copy. |
| 20:53.29 | dionysus69 | I have notifications coming in gnome |
| 20:53.34 | dionysus69 | how do I know what sent it? |
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| 20:54.42 | wodny | dionysus69: maybe sniff the dbus session bus with the dbus-monitor? |
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| 20:55.09 | rpifan | well with rsync i could continue where it was left off if my local drive got disconnected or something right? |
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| 20:55.32 | dionysus69 | wodny: only shows current messages :) |
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| 20:55.38 | dionysus69 | what about old ones |
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| 20:59.00 | debron | Hi guys. A question, I have debian installed, and today i bought a harddrive where i would like to put windows in it, and make dualboot. Is there a way of installing windows now and later choose grub to be the first boot option? |
| 20:59.32 | Sveta | debron: you need to install windows first |
| 20:59.33 | debron | without having to reinstall debian |
| 20:59.41 | Thedarkb-X40 | debron, Separate HDD? |
| 20:59.44 | debron | yes |
| 21:00.01 | Thedarkb-X40 | Go digging in your BIOS and put the debian HDD first in the boot order. |
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| 21:00.20 | debron | Okay |
| 21:00.24 | Thedarkb-X40 | and then add your windows bootloader to GRUB |
| 21:00.33 | Thedarkb-X40 | You'll have to ask someone else about that though. |
| 21:00.36 | debron | grub should be still there, i dont think windows kill it , in a different hdd |
| 21:00.38 | Thedarkb-X40 | SYSLINUX is my thing. |
| 21:00.44 | wodny | rpifan: rsync should work if used with -aHAX switches |
| 21:00.46 | gvvg__ | Hi - is there a way in fusionpbx to block a call coming from a particular number destined for another number? kind of blacklist only for 1 number? not everyone - thanks |
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| 21:01.00 | Thedarkb-X40 | I usually disconnect any extra HDDs during an install in case I fuck up. |
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| 21:01.24 | debron | Okay man. Thanks |
| 21:02.00 | wodny | rpifan: but as karlpinc noticed, databased may be a pain. one non-obvious thing is that even desktop applications use databases, eg. firefox uses sqlite and while it's running a journal file may be open |
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| 21:03.12 | rpifan | i see, well in terms of browsers i guess ill just export my bookmarks thats the only vital part there |
| 21:04.10 | wodny | rpifan: if you can go in single mode while making a backup it would make things easier or just shutdown/close as many applications as you can. |
| 21:04.15 | rpifan | what does aHAX do |
| 21:04.16 | karlpinc | debron: Windows likes to kill grub. You might remove the debian drive when installing MS Windows to be sure. |
| 21:04.26 | gvvg__ | found call block - sorry to ask a silly question |
| 21:05.10 | wodny | rpifan: see man rsync for details, but in short -a is the usual choice, but it doesn't copy ACLs for example, so to have a complete (?) backup one shoud add -H -A -X as well. |
| 21:05.44 | rpifan | i see |
| 21:05.51 | karlpinc | debron: (Or just pull the power on the drive, etc.) |
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| 21:12.27 | somiaj | debron: you can install windows second, you'll just have to reinstall grub after, so it may take some work. Though if using efi, the order shoudln't matter, you may just need to reconfigure the firmware which efi file (windows or grub) to use. |
| 21:13.04 | somiaj | oh an if grub is still on the mbr, and windows didn't clboer it, you shoudl be fine, but even reinstalilng grub from a live system isn't to difficult |
| 21:13.06 | debron | mmm efi or UEFI? |
| 21:13.19 | debron | did you read that installing is on different hdd? |
| 21:13.22 | somiaj | basically teh same thing |
| 21:13.34 | somiaj | yea, but with UEFI, the efi partition is where boot info is stored |
| 21:13.36 | debron | so mbr should mess with grub |
| 21:13.49 | debron | mmm |
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| 21:14.02 | somiaj | and the efi partition could be on your first drive but still be okay. Overall, the worst case scenerio is get a live system, boot it and reinstall grub in the mbr. |
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| 21:14.35 | debron | that doesnt sound too bad |
| 21:14.36 | somiaj | but since it is a second drive, that may not even be an issue, and this is only for mbr/legacy boot. UEFI boot is far nicer and should'nt have this problem |
| 21:15.11 | rob_debian | hi all. Please, why 'youtube-dl' doesn't work to download a complete playlist in youtube ? |
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| 21:15.31 | chachasmooth | rob_debian works fine for me, OT though |
| 21:15.32 | debron | is there any problem if the new hdd where windows is going to be installed, its on SATA 0, and debian (where grub is) its on SATA 1 slot? |
| 21:15.32 | rob_debian | I've followed all the parameters required for that, but it didn't work |
| 21:15.56 | rob_debian | Hi chachasmooth, nice to meet you from here ! |
| 21:16.00 | somiaj | debron: you should be able to tell your firwmare what drive to boot from, or order of boot, so that should be fine. |
| 21:16.08 | chachasmooth | $ youtube-dl https://youtube.com/link/to/playlist should work |
| 21:16.28 | debron | oki |
| 21:16.30 | somiaj | debron: if you are paraniod, just remove the debian drive during the windows install, and then put the debian drive back after wards, and point your firmware to boot rom it. |
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| 21:16.39 | somiaj | that should work if everything is correctly configured using UUIDS |
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| 21:17.22 | debron | there is something extrange.. in the BIOS boot setup, since i pluged in my new HD , the old hd where debian is, doesnt appear anymore |
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| 21:17.36 | debron | only in the boot override option, but not in the main boot priority confih |
| 21:17.38 | debron | config |
| 21:17.45 | debron | i cant understand why that happens |
| 21:17.50 | debron | and scares me a bit |
| 21:17.55 | somiaj | are you looking at UEFI or legacy boot config options? |
| 21:18.07 | debron | UEFI has to be... |
| 21:18.14 | karlpinc | debron: (You don't need to physically remove the drive, just unplug its power connector.) |
| 21:18.30 | debron | karlpinc: hahaha, ok thanks |
| 21:18.44 | rob_debian | chachasmooth, the syntax is: youtube-dl https://youtube.com/link/to/PLLLBCC91v9d1bTBtj2kjVexWzYTLv4p8Z using for example 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYwppk869EA&list=PLLLBCC91v9d1bTBtj2kjVexWzYTLv4p8Z' ? |
| 21:18.48 | debron | that is what is was going to do :P |
| 21:18.56 | somiaj | debron: unsure, each frimware seems to be a little different. But with UEFI you don't really point at drives, you point at efi files on efi partitions, and unsure what happens if you have more than one efi partition. |
| 21:19.06 | somiaj | debron: it is legacy mbr boot that you point at a drive to boot from. |
| 21:19.42 | chachasmooth | rob_debian make sure to surround the url with quotes |
| 21:19.45 | debron | ill make sure, have to reboot |
| 21:19.49 | chachasmooth | youtube-dl 'https://youtube.com/link/to/PLLLBCC91v9d1bTBtj2kjVexWzYTLv4p8Z' |
| 21:20.22 | rob_debian | oh, so that's the problem here |
| 21:20.48 | TheRock | i have a question about my thinkpad's hardware (cooler). That would be offtopic at first, but the computer runs debian, so is it on topic? |
| 21:20.49 | chachasmooth | sorry, youtube-dl 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYwppk869EA&list=PLLLBCC91v9d1bTBtj2kjVexWzYTLv4p8Z' |
| 21:21.13 | chachasmooth | rob_debian ^ this actually works |
| 21:21.15 | rob_debian | please, let me try it now, chachasmooth... and thanks for information |
| 21:21.37 | rob_debian | you know: we tend to get some confusion using this command for playlists, lol |
| 21:22.09 | karlpinc | TheRock: If you want to access the hardware with Debian then it's on-topic. Although for a true hardware-only question there might be a better place to ask. |
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| 21:53.18 | karlpinc | Curious here. I tried downloading a video with youtube-dl -- a youtu.be address. Got an odd "urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known>" error. So tried with wget, which gave me a 302 redirect to www.youtube.com and then "Resolving www.youtube.com (www.youtube.com)... failed: Name or service not known." But dig resolves www.youtube.com just fine. What's going on here? |
| 21:54.15 | michael2 | do you have latest youtube-dl? |
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| 21:54.49 | karlpinc | Ah ha. getent hosts www.youtube.com returns an IPv6 address. |
| 21:55.06 | karlpinc | michael2: No. Just what I installed from debian just now. |
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| 21:55.46 | michael2 | try from: https://youtube-dl.org/latest |
| 21:56.06 | fareast | can someone help me get my wifi driver installed on deb |
| 21:56.28 | fareast | I am kinda in a predickerment. |
| 21:56.29 | michael2 | fareast: whats the problem? |
| 21:56.30 | Brigo | fareast, what's your problem? |
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| 21:56.40 | michael2 | lol |
| 21:56.43 | Brigo | michael2, too fast for me :D |
| 21:56.46 | somiaj | fareast: do you have a wired interent? most likely you just need the firmware, can you let us know what wifi chipset you are using? |
| 21:56.49 | fareast | yes |
| 21:56.54 | fareast | I am wired in |
| 21:57.01 | fareast | I am guessin it is intel |
| 21:57.07 | fareast | is there a way I can find out from a terminal |
| 21:57.08 | somiaj | you can look at lspci to make sure |
| 21:57.35 | fareast | Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 61) |
| 21:57.41 | karlpinc | michael2: Thanks. I think I'll give up for this hot minute. I don't suppose there's a "debian way" to get the latest youtube-dl? |
| 21:58.12 | fareast | somiaj: I am on hp website looking around |
| 21:59.06 | fareast | 19.2.0.1 Rev.P from hp support |
| 21:59.10 | somiaj | karlpinc: you need to do two thigns. 1) enable non free, 2) apt install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:59.10 | fareast | Intel |
| 21:59.13 | michael2 | karlpinc: youtube-dl is a fast moving target. I don't think debian packages will be able to keep up |
| 21:59.19 | somiaj | !non-free sources |
| 21:59.20 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 21:59.39 | somiaj | fareast: look at what I said to karlpinc, that was for you |
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| 22:00.13 | karlpinc | michael2: Understood. (Which is why I give up. :) Perhaps I'll use 'stow' or something to keep things sane. |
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| 22:00.33 | michael2 | karlpinc: you can get it in on line: |
| 22:00.52 | fareast | ok |
| 22:01.05 | karlpinc | michael2: I see there's a tar file. I assume I compile and install it. |
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| 22:01.54 | michael2 | karlpinc: curl -L https://youtube-dl.org/latest -o /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl |
| 22:02.08 | rob_debian | one question: why when I download youtube files separately I have option to download all of them in .mp4 format, but when I download them as a part of the playlist where they are taking place ? |
| 22:03.10 | michael2 | karlpinc: that will give you youtube-dl - then remove .deb package to prevent conflict - note: this is prob not debian official recommended way |
| 22:03.18 | Brigo | karlpinc, which one do you need? |
| 22:03.21 | michael2 | but it is distro portable |
| 22:04.06 | michael2 | Brigo: the answer to that question is pretty much always "the very latest" |
| 22:05.03 | karlpinc | michael2: I see. It's python. What is it that you actually get? I thought python needed a virtual environment to hold dependencies for any program of size. |
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| 22:05.50 | michael2 | karlpinc: nah, its a standalone executable script. you only need that file. |
| 22:06.33 | karlpinc | michael2: For a single /usr/local/bin/ program I don't need "the debian way". Especially because it will become useless and dated pretty much instantly so I may as well delete after use. :) |
| 22:06.37 | michael2 | karlpinc: you will need to update manually - but as you've learned - this is just something that you'll just likely have to live with |
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| 22:07.41 | Brigo | i prefer my local programs away of /usr. I use to save them in /opt. |
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| 22:09.05 | michael2 | somiaj: would it be worthwhile for fareast to get the firmware from the HP website - would that be newer than debians packaged firmware? |
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| 22:09.32 | karlpinc | michael2: (that's the wrong url. I get a web page. I'll get the url from the github readme.) |
| 22:10.01 | fareast | ok i have non free installed |
| 22:10.07 | fareast | I have that much done so far |
| 22:10.07 | debron | guys, Is there some way to make a windows bootable usb from debian? Is it possible to just copy the ISO with cp /dev/sdX? |
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| 22:11.17 | michael2 | karlpinc: you're right, sorry the correct url is: |
| 22:11.19 | michael2 | https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl |
| 22:12.01 | rob_debian | michael2, please, in this case, should I have to compile 'youtube-dl' in order to have the latest version ? |
| 22:12.20 | rob_debian | shoud I use it ? https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-d |
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| 22:13.41 | michael2 | rob_debian: you dont compile a python script - the first line should say some thing like: |
| 22:13.55 | karlpinc | michael2: I still get the same error. But the url I'm using is one of those "short ones" (see above) and old. So maybe it expired or something. |
| 22:13.57 | michael2 | #!/usr/bin/python |
| 22:13.58 | fareast | ok intel firmware installed |
| 22:14.25 | fareast | somiaj: what now? |
| 22:14.29 | fareast | reboot? |
| 22:14.31 | ayee | I haven't setup a startup script in awhile. In the old days init v was pretty simple. I'm on debian 9, with crazy systemd stuff. I just want to execute some script _before_ nginx starts. Is there a guide on how to execute a script on startup, and find out if it runs before another startup script? |
| 22:14.32 | michael2 | fareast: how did you install firmware - from HP site - or through apt repo? |
| 22:14.38 | fareast | apt |
| 22:14.45 | fareast | hp only has windows 10 drivers |
| 22:14.56 | fareast | I know of ndiswrapper but does that work for debian? |
| 22:15.01 | karlpinc | fareast: Eventually you're going to want to reboot to make sure it loads properly. So I suppose it wouldn't hurt. |
| 22:15.07 | rob_debian | I see, michael2, thanks for information ! |
| 22:15.08 | michael2 | ayee: you need to add "Before" in your unit file |
| 22:15.09 | fareast | ok here we go |
| 22:15.12 | fareast | thanks guys |
| 22:15.29 | ayee | michael2: unit file is some special systemd file? |
| 22:15.50 | michael2 | karlpinc: so your you're running latest youtube-dl? what version? |
| 22:16.08 | bites | you can also use pip to install youtube-dl, which makes it easier to keep updated. |
| 22:16.17 | karlpinc | michael2: 2018.05.01 |
| 22:16.25 | michael2 | ayee: yes, its the generic module/component that systemd controls |
| 22:16.31 | karlpinc | bites: I like that idea. |
| 22:17.17 | bites | but the binary gets installed to ~/.local/bin so it's not in your $PATH automatically. |
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| 22:17.21 | ayee | michael2: where is the file? |
| 22:18.14 | michael2 | ayee: you need to create it |
| 22:18.16 | karlpinc | ayee: It'd be a file you put in /etc/systemd/system/. But after that I always have to read "man systemd.unit". There's a whole giant learning curve. |
| 22:18.30 | michael2 | ayee: in /etc/systemd/system/. |
| 22:18.49 | karlpinc | ayee: Don't forget the "systemctl daemon-reload". |
| 22:19.01 | karlpinc | bites: I can put it in a venv if I want. |
| 22:19.11 | bites | yes, or that. |
| 22:22.46 | karlpinc | ayee: And "systemctl enable foo" (If not also "systemctl start foo".) |
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| 22:23.11 | fareast | ok its working |
| 22:23.20 | fareast | at least for 100mbit down over 5g |
| 22:23.22 | fareast | so that should be good for now |
| 22:23.46 | ayee | thanks for the tips, I'll dig into this and see if I can get it working. |
| 22:23.55 | fareast | I am running the new gnome on here it seems pretty good on hidpi laptop 14 inch |
| 22:24.10 | michael2 | karlpinc: yeah managing through pip prob a good idea if you have pip installed. regarding systemd, can you make a unit file to just fire a one time command? rather than start a daemon? |
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| 22:24.40 | michael2 | fareast: so your wifi up and running? |
| 22:24.44 | fareast | yeah |
| 22:24.46 | fareast | I am on wifi |
| 22:24.54 | michael2 | nice |
| 22:24.55 | fareast | I am a tech |
| 22:25.06 | fareast | so I can get stuff working with some help you know. |
| 22:25.17 | michael2 | yeah, didn't take you long to get it working - nice job |
| 22:25.22 | bites | michael2: that's the service type oneshot. |
| 22:25.22 | fareast | thanks |
| 22:25.27 | fareast | oh yeah |
| 22:25.50 | fareast | except I am color blind I always have 1 wire i mess up with the wh br wh gr at least |
| 22:26.01 | fareast | lol |
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| 22:26.41 | fareast | teamwork is dreamwork. |
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| 22:28.55 | michael2 | bites: thanks |
| 22:29.53 | michael2 | anyone know the command to print out all man pages whose name contains pattern? e.g. something like `man --title '*systemd*' ? |
| 22:30.25 | karlpinc | michael2: man -k systemd is usually the best way for searching man stuff |
| 22:30.42 | karlpinc | michael2: You can always pipe to grep |
| 22:31.38 | michael2 | karlpinc: isn't that apropos? that searches something else in the contents? not the titles, right? |
| 22:32.05 | karlpinc | michael2: Yes, it is apropos. I forget. But you can grep to filter the titles. |
| 22:32.08 | michael2 | I never worked out what exactly apropos is searching, is it tags? |
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| 22:36.37 | arzak | hi |
| 22:36.55 | rob_debian | please, what's the channel that's focused on debian running under android ? or should be android running under debian ? |
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| 22:53.07 | Heston | hellos, just curious why I'm still getting updates for wheezy after it's now EOL? Not that I'm complaining, just wondering |
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| 22:57.22 | michael2 | I thought updates fall back to a "best effort" basis when a release goes EOL |
| 22:58.27 | Heston | i got you, makes sense |
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| 23:17.59 | fareast | is there a way to delete menu entries from the bios bcd menu |
| 23:19.07 | epergny | I've got a somewhat silly question: I keep notes of "admin" stuff I did, like packages I needed to install to be able to compile Emacs from source on, say, Debian version x.y.z. Like this: |
| 23:19.20 | epergny | (just one line, won't spam) |
| 23:19.38 | epergny | apt-get install autoconf build-essential xorg-dev libtinfo5 libgif-dev libtiff-dev libpng12-dev libpng3 libtiff5 libtiff5-dev libgif-dev libgif4 ... |
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| 23:20.34 | epergny | with more packages than that... But then issue is: when I install a new Debian, like 9.4.0 just now, I try this line and many package gives: "E: Unable to locate package libpng13-dev". Stupid question: how do find what's the "new name" of that package? |
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| 23:20.58 | michael2 | epergny: did you update apt local cache? |
| 23:21.27 | epergny | michael2: it's on a brand new install, using notes I took from an older Debian version |
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| 23:21.47 | fareast | is efibootmgr available with debian? |
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| 23:22.43 | epergny | Basically my notes are "outdated" because package numbering was updated and I get lots of: "Unable to locate package libpng3", "Unable to locate package libgif4", ... |
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| 23:23.02 | epergny | which make me question if taking notes even makes sense |
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| 23:23.38 | michael2 | epergny: ok, can you use an aptitude pattern? |
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| 23:24.57 | epergny | michael2: I'm using apt from the command line. I don't know what's an aptitude pattern : ) |
| 23:25.01 | michael2 | like aptitude install 'libgif?' - which might match multiple package (including the old ones) but then apt-cache policy should only install latest |
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| 23:26.05 | epergny | michael2: oh ok, because I was trying: "apt-get install libpng1?-dev" but I don't think that's correct globbing there |
| 23:26.18 | michael2 | epergny: maybe apt has pattern matches too - Im just familiar-ish with aptitude |
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| 23:28.23 | epergny | michael2: ok, this should get me started : ) |
| 23:28.43 | michael2 | epergny: I think `?' means "any single character" if program uses globs. its a quantifier (one or none? of the preceding token) for regex |
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| 23:32.15 | epergny | michael2: I'll try and take more notes ^ ^ |
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