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| 01:51.23 | t5u | hi, I have bumped into a problem, libcurl4-gnutls-dev : Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (= 7.52.1-5+deb9u5) but 7.58.0-2 is to be installed |
| 01:51.33 | t5u | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 01:53.13 | mutante | t5u: kali? |
| 01:54.04 | mutante | hmm.. usually those "Depends" lines have something with ">=" or so, not just "=" insisting on an exact version and nothing else, right |
| 01:54.23 | t5u | mutante: it was deb 9 with katoolin |
| 01:54.28 | c-c | maybe you could apt clean the broken packages first |
| 01:54.58 | t5u | removed katoolin from sources |
| 01:55.10 | c-c | clean, update, upgrade |
| 01:55.20 | t5u | c-c: thx |
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| 01:55.58 | mutante | 7.52.1-5+deb9u5 is what is in stable https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libcurl4-gnutls-dev |
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| 01:56.28 | c-c | trumee: then use dpkg to install the libcurl3, and try again |
| 01:56.34 | c-c | (that particular version) |
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| 01:57.06 | c-c | who knows, something may or may not break https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/210692/i-need-to-install-two-different-versions-of-a-library-on-a-debian-based-distro |
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| 01:57.15 | trumee | c-c, ? |
| 01:57.46 | c-c | trumee: my apologies, I should have written t5u but he just quit |
| 01:57.53 | trumee | c-c, np |
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| 02:52.24 | k_sze | I'm trying to upgrade from Jessie to Stretch and I really don't understand how to use `aptitude` in step 4.2.1: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#review-actions |
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| 02:53.49 | mutante | k_sze: did you do the "launch aptitude in full-terminal mode and press g (âGoâ)." ? |
| 02:54.17 | k_sze | Yes. |
| 02:54.18 | mutante | did it show you any actions or just say "No packages are scheduled..." |
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| 02:55.57 | mutante | k_sze: ^ |
| 02:56.10 | k_sze | It did say something, but all I could do was answer "OK". And I have no idea how I'm supposed to "resolve" them. |
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| 02:58.06 | mutante | k_sze: well if you already answered OK then you probably resolved them |
| 02:58.28 | mutante | of course we can't say much without knowing what it said. but i would just continue with the next step now |
| 02:59.00 | mutante | k_sze: "resolved" in this context probably just means either saying OK or NOT OK |
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| 02:59.35 | k_sze | And somehow the full aptitude full-terminal mode shows me 230 packages being held back, even though `aptitude search "~ahold"` shows nothing. Is that normal? |
| 02:59.42 | mutante | you can just repeat that step as well |
| 03:00.03 | k_sze | mutante: how do I repeat that step? |
| 03:00.15 | mutante | launch aptitude in full-terminal mode and press g (âGoâ). |
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| 03:01.17 | mutante | i dont know if that's normal, sorry. i dont even have aptitude installed. still just using the oldschool ways |
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| 03:18.11 | awal1 | k_size, you are not used to aptitude via cli? |
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| 03:24.13 | awal1 | k_sze, just check if your system is fully up-to-date (having your sources.list pointing to Jessie, run: "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" followed by "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade", reboot if there is a kernel upgrade) then, after changing your sources.list, pointing it to stretch, run again "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" followed by "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade". check closely what |
| 03:24.14 | awal1 | aptitude outputs for you |
| 03:25.23 | awal1 | if you don't have third party software or pkgs from other Debian branches, all should go smooth |
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| 03:41.56 | k_sze | I do have some 3rd party software. |
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| 03:56.19 | awal1 | k_sze, for your info, you can use -s option (--simulate) for simulate/check what may happen |
| 03:56.29 | awal1 | aptitude -s full-upgrade |
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| 04:03.29 | preview | hallo, could anyone help me with this error? I cant update apt as it says " Couldn't create temporary file /tmp/apt.conf.yMo12h for passing config to apt-key" on most repositories, appears to be a gpg issue? |
| 04:03.47 | preview | my tmp folder is symlinked to another drive, but I've tried with a faolder in root and it still happens |
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| 05:07.50 | Shirakawasuna | Hi! I want to set up NFS (for some ZFS shares) and am running into some issues. I have it working, but don't like the (lack of) security but would also like to avoid kerberos as it looks like massive overkill for a single-host, single-client, local network setup. Here's the setup: host is on one subnet (192.168.0.0/24), client is on another (192.168.1.0/24). The client can see the host at its original IP, the host currently can't |
| 05:07.51 | Shirakawasuna | directly see/ping the client (it's coming through one rj45 that's shared with the internet). In other words, I can't whitelist just one IP and get just one client - the whitelist would let anyone on 192.168.1.0/24 have the same permissions. |
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| 05:09.15 | Shirakawasuna | So, I basically want very simple security, since this is a local share, but can't whitelist just that one client. Are there any alternatives with similar levels of security? I'm not worried about clients at 192.168.1.0/24 being malicious, I just want there to be no way they accidentally connect. |
| 05:09.35 | Shirakawasuna | is there anything analogous to simple secret sharing? |
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| 05:16.59 | timtam | Hi, after doing an update of displaly drivers on my Windows install, my password for my Debian account no long work. My password for my Windows local account no longer works. Is it possible to reset my Debian password in any way? |
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| 05:23.04 | nkuttler | timtam: that doesn't make any sense... but... |
| 05:23.10 | nkuttler | !i forgot root's password |
| 05:23.10 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 06:01.53 | k_sze | `aptitude safe-upgrade` is showing 170000+ open and 240000+ closed while resolving dependencies (and the numbers are still growing). Is that normal? |
| 06:02.05 | k_sze | (I'm upgrading from Jessie to Stretch.) |
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| 06:04.37 | themill | k_sze: you should not use aptitude for upgrading between releases like that. As the release notes say, use apt-get. |
| 06:04.50 | k_sze | how about apt? |
| 06:05.03 | themill | would be fine too |
| 06:05.09 | k_sze | thanks |
| 06:05.49 | themill | using apt would upgrade slightly more packages in the first instance because it permits new installs on upgrade whereas apt-get does not in its default configuration |
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| 06:07.15 | k_sze | that's fine for me. |
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| 06:13.53 | cef | Anyone care to paste their default /etc/apt/preferences ? I think mine is missing something (that I probably accidentally removed) |
| 06:14.01 | cef | pastebin pls. |
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| 06:15.53 | Logg | /etc/apt/preferences: cannot open `/etc/apt/preferences' (No such file or directory) |
| 06:16.43 | cef | well, hrm.. maybe that's it. I might wipe it (backing it up first) and see if that helps. |
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| 06:17.30 | Logg | what's your problem, cef? |
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| 06:19.11 | cef | Logg: hah.. fixed it. I had previously pinned stuff and then disabled everything in /etc/apt/preferences except the 'stable' line. Now using backports. So 'apt-get upgrade' constantly wanted to preference stable, trying to downgrade packages. |
| 06:20.34 | gusthavnikita | is there any way in debian to find which manpages/infopages are related (= they talk of the same thing)? |
| 06:20.52 | cef | Logg: removing my /etc/apt/preferences allowed apt to use the default(built in) pinning so backports were in there and would properly upgrade. ;) |
| 06:21.12 | Logg | cef: hmmm, okay |
| 06:23.43 | cef | Logg: ahh well.. this is hwat I get for pinning packages from testing originally and not building them from source and locally backporting them myself (like I do now) if they're not in backports. ;) |
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| 06:49.44 | peterrooney | gusthavnikita: usually, there's a section at the end of a manpage, "SEE ALSO". What I usually start with if that's uncertain is 'dpkg -L <package> | grep /man/ |
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| 06:55.00 | quarterback | I have installed debian 9.4 on a core2duo machine with 4gb ram and it has a G31 motherboard. When using webbrowser the screen splits into two with a invisible diagonal from top left to bottom right. The view is split at this line...which seems to break smooth scrolling. How to fix this? |
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| 06:56.50 | gusthavnikita | peterrooney: is there any deterministic way to find where info files are located?? I know about /usr/share/doc/<package>/ but sometimes the files seem to be in html/ others in doc/ other times in <lang>/html/ some under "<package>.html/" ..... I don't see any pattern :/ |
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| 07:00.49 | michael2 | gusthavnikita: if you |
| 07:01.22 | themill | gusthavnikita: I assume you don't actually mean info files but documentation. |
| 07:01.29 | gusthavnikita | michael2: if me? |
| 07:01.46 | themill | gusthavnikita: upstreams have no convention so it gets a bit hard for Debian to have one beyond /usr/share/doc/$package/ and the location of man and info files. |
| 07:02.03 | michael2 | gusthavnikita: you're trying to find logic and sanity to info files, good luck :) |
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| 07:03.14 | gusthavnikita | how does "info .." find the files then? |
| 07:05.04 | michael2 | yeah, I thought you generally didn't try directly access info files, but instead go through some kind of info command/pager, like `info coreutils' then navigate from there |
| 07:06.50 | gusthavnikita | how does info finds the files if there is no convention? |
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| 07:09.39 | Dagger | doesn't `info` just display the files in /usr/share/info? or the manpage with the given name if there's nothing in there |
| 07:10.53 | themill | gusthavnikita: you keep saying "info files" but it doesn't sound like you're actually talking about info files at all. Do you actually mean the files displayed by info(1) or do you mean the files in /usr/share/doc/$package |
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| 07:14.28 | pragomer | how can I add the folder /media/mysynologynasshare to gnome's indexing so that the dash-search finds my files? |
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| 07:55.51 | gusthavnikita | themill: I mean the files containing the text displayed by "info <command>" for example info grep. What's the difference betweek /usr/share/doc/ and /usr/share/info/ ? |
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| 08:03.04 | pclover | So i have a question. Is there a better way to write this? for pkg in $(dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk {'print$2'}); do dpkg --purge $pkg; done |
| 08:04.22 | themill | gusthavnikita: /usr/share/info is where info pages are to be found. /usr/share/doc contains other documentation such as web pages |
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| 08:04.31 | themill | pclover: aptitude purge ~c |
| 08:04.50 | pclover | ah it's built in to purge packaged marked as rc alright |
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| 08:05.17 | gusthavnikita | themill: so info searches only inside /usr/share/info? |
| 08:05.32 | themill | pclover: ~c selects the packages that are cruft (i.e. uninstalled, ready to purge) |
| 08:05.44 | themill | gusthavnikita: by default, just as man only looks in /usr/share/man |
| 08:06.06 | gusthavnikita | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:06.22 | pclover | thanks |
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| 08:09.45 | jim | !archive |
| 08:09.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 08:19.56 | jim | is debian 7 aka wheezy still in the main package mirrors? |
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| 08:23.31 | gusthavnikita | yes I see "wheezy" in the mirror |
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| 08:24.28 | jim | ok |
| 08:24.33 | jim | thanks |
| 08:25.05 | jim | any idea of when they plan on moving 7 to archives? |
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| 08:28.25 | antto | Q: if i'll attempt to build a gcc cross-compiler, from source, in order to be able to use it afterwards, where should it be "installed" exactly? |
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| 08:30.35 | antto | i should clarify, i'm talking about avr-gcc, and i already have it installed from synaptic, but the gcc version is old (4.9.x) while i would want to try and build a more recent version |
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| 08:49.54 | ghustavnikita | themill: it looks like all the files in /usr/share/info/ have been converted from .texi to .info. Where can I find the .texi sources? |
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| 08:53.23 | k_sze | During `apt upgrade`, is it possible get an audible alert when it needs my attention? e.g. when it needs me to decide whether to overwrite an existing config file with the package maintainer's version. |
| 08:54.13 | k_sze | e.g. if it could generate a C-a character, my terminal emulator could turn that into an audible alert. |
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| 08:59.56 | peterrooney | k_sze: quick and dirty solution. test for pidof whiptail every $timeinterval, silent if not there,beep if there, and exit whenever pidof apt fails. |
| 09:00.01 | peterrooney | feels very dirty |
| 09:00.50 | peterrooney | you need a spare terminal (or tmux, or screen) for that |
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| 09:16.15 | antto | ,gcc-avr |
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| 09:16.49 | antto | dpkg gcc-avr |
| 09:16.49 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, antto |
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| 10:19.25 | k_sze | crap |
| 10:19.34 | k_sze | I just upgraded to Stretch. |
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| 10:20.11 | k_sze | The server has not entered emergency mode during a reboot and is asking me for root password or ctrl-d. |
| 10:20.16 | k_sze | but I don't know my root password. |
| 10:20.27 | k_sze | I have a sudo account. |
| 10:20.39 | k_sze | We don't ever login as root using password. |
| 10:20.43 | k_sze | What am I supposed to do? |
| 10:21.35 | satanist | boot a recouvery system and chroot in your system |
| 10:22.12 | satanist | or try an older kernel |
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| 10:26.12 | k_sze | I think the main issue is that "1,1" is no longer a valid parameter for the allow_unsupported_sfp option of the ixgbe driver. |
| 10:26.33 | k_sze | And so it fails to bring up the network service and mount my network volumes. |
| 10:26.45 | k_sze | seriously intel, that's stupid. |
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| 10:29.28 | k_sze | A second reboot got me past that. |
| 10:29.34 | k_sze | *sigh* |
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| 10:31.22 | satanist | now you should first set a new root pw and save it somewere you can read it, if your computer won't boot |
| 10:32.04 | k_sze | And I need to figure out what's the new parameter format that's accepted for allow_unsupported_sfp |
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| 10:46.45 | jim | hi, are old versions of the debian netinstall still available on archive.d.n? |
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| 10:47.47 | jim | I want to help support folks that can't use a later kernel because support for their hardware has been dropped |
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| 10:53.39 | somiaj | jim: are you not finding older installers? |
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| 10:54.13 | k_sze | This is really odd. |
| 10:54.34 | k_sze | modinfo ixgbe says that the allow_unsupported_sfp parm is still supported. |
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| 10:54.40 | k_sze | so I don't know what I'm doing wrong. |
| 10:54.46 | somiaj | jim: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ is that what you were looking for? |
| 10:54.50 | jim | I found .list.gz files for the netinstalls |
| 10:55.21 | jim | if I can show them how to build the image from the list, that would probably be good |
| 10:55.57 | jim | I think I'm already looking at that address, I tried googling |
| 10:55.58 | somiaj | seems that site has old netinstall .iso you can download. If you want older cd/dvd images I think you can rebuild them with the jigdo info |
| 10:56.28 | k_sze | What's the correct way to specify parameters using `modprobe`? |
| 10:56.33 | somiaj | for example here is the 4.0.2 amd64 iso, https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/5.0.2/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:56.51 | jim | so it's really the jigdo, not the list ones that can build the images |
| 10:56.54 | somiaj | k_sze: I think it is modprobe module parameters. whcih is what the manpage says |
| 10:57.05 | k_sze | somiaj: yes, I just read the manpage. |
| 10:57.18 | k_sze | but how do I specify the "parameters" part? |
| 10:57.21 | somiaj | jim: yea, the list just lists the package. I think the jigdo can rebuild the whole cd image. |
| 10:57.45 | jim | ok, I'll look into that in a bit |
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| 10:58.08 | somiaj | k_sze: same as in /etc/modprobe.d, I think it is foo=bar |
| 10:59.22 | somiaj | jim: maybe start here, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/ |
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| 11:00.21 | somiaj | or maybe I'm wrong, haha reading the docs, "A common misconception is that jigdo creates ISO images; it doesn't." but then goes on to explain what it does...hmm |
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| 11:00.56 | lol768 | My Debian box seems to periodically lose its "default dev ppp0" route on the IPv6 side, but I don't know why |
| 11:01.10 | lol768 | I have to manually issue ip -6 r add default dev ppp0 for connectivity to work again |
| 11:01.44 | lol768 | I am wondering if systemd-networkd is the culprit.. |
| 11:02.06 | lol768 | Since previously I've configured this via /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:03.01 | somiaj | jim: though ti does seem to say it assembles the iso from files, so I think that is the approach to take if you want something other than the netinstall, but I don't really know the details. |
| 11:03.34 | somiaj | lol768: networkd should be disable (or not used) by default, so unless you configured it, it shoudln't be being used. |
| 11:03.48 | somiaj | lol768: debian still uses the interfaces file by default, though desktop users tend to use things like network-manager instead. |
| 11:04.15 | somiaj | lol768: do you know what you are currently using to configure your network? |
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| 11:04.58 | lol768 | Yeah this is a server box. Not using NetworkManager. Looking at systemctl, systemd-networkd.service is actually running |
| 11:05.10 | lol768 | To date I've configured everything in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:05.21 | lol768 | Debian GNU/Linux 9.4 (stretch) |
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| 11:05.39 | somiaj | lol768: what ist he output of 'systemctl status systemd-networkd' |
| 11:05.48 | lol768 | active (running) since Sun 2018-03-25 13:57:25 BST; 1 months 10 days ago |
| 11:06.09 | somiaj | here on my stretch system it says, 'disabled' and Active: inactive (dead) |
| 11:06.15 | lol768 | Interesting |
| 11:06.26 | lol768 | I am unsure as to how that got enabled, then |
| 11:06.38 | somiaj | seems like something has turned it on for you, by default it should be disabled and debian stilld efaulst to the interfaces file |
| 11:07.49 | lol768 | okay so if I disable it.. |
| 11:08.06 | somiaj | you could try, systemctl disable systemd-networkd |
| 11:08.18 | somiaj | you could also mask it, but I'm unsure what hooks would be causing it to run. |
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| 11:10.48 | lol768 | Okay, I've disabled it, masked and re-added the default route and static /64. IPv6 is working for clients on the network now... fingers crossed it stays that way :P |
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| 11:16.17 | lol768 | Ha, that didn't last long |
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| 11:18.26 | lol768 | Seems to lose the route whenever the ppp connection drops/reconnects. I suppose this makes sense if the device no longer exists for a moment |
| 11:18.36 | lol768 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477245#45 seems relevant |
| 11:18.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/477245 in ppp (forwarded, ipv6): «Add option for PPP to set an IPv6 default route»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2008-04-22; last modified: 2015-11-21. |
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| 11:19.55 | Dagger | the ISP ought to be sending RAs, so you should pick up a default route automatically |
| 11:20.13 | Dagger | ...assuming accept_ra=2 anyway, since your router will probably have forwarding enabled |
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| 11:21.35 | lol768 | accept_ra is set to 1 for all ifaces which I assume is where the issue lies |
| 11:22.02 | lol768 | Do I want it set to 2 on the ppp0 iface? |
| 11:22.14 | Dagger | yup |
| 11:22.34 | Dagger | no guarantee the ISP is actually sending RAs, mind (you can check with `rdisc6` (it's in the ndisc6 package)) |
| 11:24.08 | lol768 | I see an RA using rdisc6 -v ppp0 |
| 11:24.20 | lol768 | Folks at the ISP know what they're doing so I'd assumed it was all set up correctly their end |
| 11:24.32 | lol768 | Myself on the other hand... :P |
| 11:24.52 | lol768 | Okay, I'll poff and pon and fingers crossed you think it'll get a default route now? |
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| 11:26.18 | Dagger | that's what the RAs are for, at any rate |
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| 11:31.14 | lol768 | So it didn't work at first but /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/ppp0/router_solicitations was -1 :P |
| 11:31.37 | lol768 | After I fixed that it has a shiny default route after connecting. Thanks Dagger! :) |
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| 11:49.27 | MrSmile5800 | hi people |
| 11:49.40 | MrSmile5800 | I am not getting smart with the firewall rules for minidlna |
| 11:49.48 | MrSmile5800 | somebody can help me ? |
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| 11:51.14 | MrSmile5800 | https://pastebin.com/raw/m2v7R35d |
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| 11:56.02 | MrSmile5800 | hallo debian people... |
| 11:56.06 | MrSmile5800 | nobody here ? |
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| 11:57.57 | chrios | I'm here |
| 11:58.26 | chrios | Don't know iptables tho :P I use Shorewall |
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| 12:01.28 | jors | Hi, after runnng today's update, my Debian testing gets stuck at boot at "Started Console Manager". Can't go forward, any advise/known issue? Thanks for any hint :( |
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| 12:04.58 | SmileMZ | this channel is not dead, no ? |
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| 12:05.45 | babilen | SmileMZ: Would you like it to be? |
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| 12:05.54 | date_night | SmileMZ: hmm lots of people idle here but not really dead |
| 12:06.23 | bites | (X_X) |
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| 12:07.18 | babilen | ##netfilter might be a suitable channel for, well, netfilter specific questions |
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| 12:07.54 | babilen | Althought, admittedly, it is also *very* hard to answer a question that hasn't been asked |
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| 12:22.25 | jors | Hi, after runnng today's update, my Debian testing gets stuck at boot at "Started Console Manager". Can't go forward, any advise/known issue? Thanks for any hint :( |
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| 12:22.51 | jors | I am fucked with this systemd shit |
| 12:25.17 | noodlepie | systemd work heres. Linux kernel 4.16.7-gentoo. I use GNOME too |
| 12:25.18 | noodlepie | . |
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| 12:25.58 | date_night | Im on Unstable, no problem here |
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| 12:27.01 | date_night | What did you update? |
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| 12:28.13 | noodlepie | Debian in on my desktop machine downstairs, binary packages install much faster on that. |
| 12:28.23 | noodlepie | Gentoo is source packages based |
| 12:28.36 | noodlepie | It becomes very optimized for your machine. |
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| 12:32.21 | jors | Just did an upgrade of packages |
| 12:33.14 | jors | kernel, gdm3, dbus |
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| 12:35.46 | jors | Already tried booting previous kernel, booting sysvinit mode, reinstalling gdm3... |
| 12:37.52 | jors | Booting without quoet kernel parameter shows that startup stops at "Started Console Manager", so the issue may be there or in the next service, that I don't know which one is it |
| 12:38.03 | jors | *quiet |
| 12:39.18 | noodlepie | Debian stable, stable here, all updated today! |
| 12:39.51 | date_night | Maybe upgrade to Unstable or roll back the updated packages |
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| 12:40.13 | date_night | either that or wait for a fix i guess |
| 12:40.49 | jors | If I go to unstable I think I will break the rest of the system |
| 12:41.20 | date_night | hmm I'm on Unstable and everything is fine at the moment |
| 12:41.33 | date_night | But that's just me ymmv |
| 12:41.48 | jors | Tried rolling back to previous packages, but they seem to have dissapeared from repositories. Don't have them on local package cache, cleaned them :( |
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| 12:43.14 | date_night | You have to specify the package version in apt |
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| 12:47.05 | Neel | jors: is it cgmanager issue? |
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| 12:49.28 | jors | Yup, I know how to do it, did it with no luck so package may have been already deleted from repos |
| 12:49.41 | Neel | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865998 |
| 12:49.42 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/865998 in cgmanager (open): «cgmanager: Fails to start»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-06-26; last modified: 2017-08-30. |
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| 12:49.52 | Neel | i had the same issue |
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| 12:50.30 | jors | Finally got an idea that worked! Installed lightdm, set it up as default and I am on desktop again |
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| 12:51.01 | Neel | awesome |
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| 12:52.30 | jors | Thx Neel and judd. I would say fuck gdm3 as last weekend it fucked me once again. Had to delete all desktop related preferences to be able to enter desktop again. Specially .conf/dconf/user file. |
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| 12:53.08 | Neel | yeah im using lightdm with xfce now |
| 12:53.22 | Neel | gnome is too slow to boot up and memory consuming |
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| 12:55.28 | date_night | There was a reddit thread on memory leak right? |
| 12:56.45 | jors | I like gnome, no prob with it, but gdm3 is bothering me too much lately |
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| 12:57.56 | dionysus69 | debian KDE came with mariadb preinstalled, is that normal? wtf? |
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| 12:58.06 | dionysus69 | and what if I remove it |
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| 13:01.46 | date_night | You can try and see if it wants to remove something else as well |
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| 13:02.27 | date_night | I am using KDE as well but I build it up from minimal install so I dont know |
| 13:02.56 | jors | Quittint with this nick, j0rs will replace me :) |
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| 13:03.30 | date_night | The amount of stuff the KDE standard install waste too much disk space for me |
| 13:03.54 | Urchin | it's a big DE, what did you expect? |
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| 13:04.24 | booyah | how to find out what keeps spinning up my hdd? |
| 13:04.57 | date_night | yea which is why i build it from no X to kde |
| 13:05.36 | bites | booyah: using iotop for example. |
| 13:05.47 | j0rs | booyah, your spinning disk will carry on spinning regardless of being it used or not :D |
| 13:06.12 | booyah | j0rs: hdparm -S 10 and it doesn't |
| 13:06.45 | j0rs | booyah, yes, you can also stop the computer, you get me |
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| 13:26.07 | cosimone | hi everyone, i'm having a weird issue while installing: |
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| 13:26.48 | cosimone | i'm installing on a ThinkPad t43p, using the nonfree iso since it's required for the wireless interface |
| 13:26.55 | cosimone | 32 bit of course |
| 13:28.05 | cosimone | when i select "configure the network" SSIDs are scanned and found, but after selecting my network and entering the passphrase, nothing happens. it just goes back to the ssid screen |
| 13:28.46 | cosimone | i tried checking on the console by using wpa_passphrase manually, but it doesn't seem to be included |
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| 13:29.06 | cosimone | i tried to look on the website for such an issue, but i couldn't find anything |
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| 13:36.11 | cosimone | sorry, got disconnected, please tell me again if you know anything |
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| 13:42.28 | slxp | Hi, is anyone around? |
| 13:42.38 | slxp | Had a few newb (but subjective) questions |
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| 13:45.14 | cluelessperson | does anyone know debian repos ip ranges? |
| 13:45.21 | cluelessperson | for firewall unblocking? |
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| 13:46.46 | themill | quite obviously that depends on what mirror you are using |
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| 13:47.45 | jelly | cluelessperson: there aren't any really, best have a firewall capable of matching IPs that match "security.debian.org" and your repo A and AAAA records |
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| 13:48.32 | jelly | $work hardcoded security.debian.org IPs and that breaks sometimes |
| 13:50.32 | themill | particularly as that has a SRV record pointing to fastly |
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| 13:54.19 | cluelessperson | jelly: :/ |
| 13:54.46 | j0rs | slxp, just ask and if anyone can help... will answer |
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| 13:59.12 | cluelessperson | ugh |
| 13:59.20 | cluelessperson | so many devices just connect to the internet randomly |
| 13:59.22 | cluelessperson | so wrong and so bad |
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| 14:03.37 | themill | cluelessperson: apt obeys http_proxy |
| 14:04.29 | cluelessperson | themill: and many other things don't. :/ |
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| 14:23.24 | petn-randall | Hi, I've bought two new HDDs and this is the smart data that was reported: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/30588235/ |
| 14:24.22 | petn-randall | If you pay close attention to the smart log, you'll notice that there have been several short self-tests in the past, and that apparently the "power-on" hours counter has been reset. Has anyone seen something similar in the past? |
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| 14:25.02 | julius | hi |
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| 14:25.19 | julius | how do you get a list of packages installed by hand in the last ~15 minutes? |
| 14:25.35 | julius | just the main packages not everything listed in the apt log |
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| 14:29.53 | jors | julius, not aware of any command for that... maybe a review of the output of the history command? |
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| 14:30.07 | petn-randall | julius: /var/log/apt/history.log lists all packages that were installed. |
| 14:30.22 | jors | julius, maybe you can also review /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 14:35.53 | julius | somebody wrote a script to capture the right commands....just need to find it |
| 14:35.58 | jors | petn-randall, awesome log file, didn't know about it |
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| 14:40.51 | carl_ | HI, I am trying to copy files from an encrypted file in a usb pen drive opened with ZuluCrypt into a normal folder in the pc but it says permission denied, I have changed the permission of both the folders but the problem is the same. Any advice please? in the folder opened from zulucrypt now I see a message in yellow saying: warning you are using the root account, you may harm your system. I have never read this message before using zulucrypt, and never |
| 14:40.51 | carl_ | had such problems before |
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| 14:55.48 | dutchfish | carl_, how did you mount that pendrive, normally you would use zulumount for that |
| 14:56.14 | carl_ | zulucrypt always used it in this way |
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| 14:56.30 | dutchfish | carl_, i forgot the exact stansa, it is a long time ago i sued it |
| 14:56.42 | dutchfish | used* |
| 14:56.48 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 14:57.18 | dutchfish | carl_, i am aware that zulucrypt prefers the same user for acces |
| 14:57.34 | dutchfish | (not the mount itself) |
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| 14:59.58 | dutchfish | carl_, man 1 zuluMount-cli should give you some clues |
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| 15:02.47 | carl_ | i guess there is something connected with this yellow warning: you are using the root account |
| 15:03.14 | morphyeys | Hello guys, I've just tried to install the latest version of debian using the net installer, but I couldn't connect to the internet using wireless |
| 15:03.16 | carl_ | never seen in the folder |
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| 15:04.47 | morphyeys | may you help me somehow\ |
| 15:05.44 | dutchfish | carl_, i gues, you mount it normally under a nonroot acc. |
| 15:06.31 | carl_ | why now is rooted? |
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| 15:06.42 | carl_ | error copying files |
| 15:06.56 | carl_ | i cannot copy from there to the pc |
| 15:07.21 | carl_ | i can just visualize files and copy into the same encrypted file |
| 15:07.31 | jors | morphyeys, maybe your wireless driver is not included in the standard netinst? Maybe you could try this one: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ Or maybe you can juts use the wired interface to do the initial install |
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| 15:08.19 | carl_ | Permission denied |
| 15:08.21 | dutchfish | carl_, just to make sure, is the whole fs encrypted or just the files? |
| 15:08.42 | carl_ | is an encrypted file |
| 15:08.49 | carl_ | inside a usb pen |
| 15:09.06 | carl_ | inside this encrypted files there are folders and pictures |
| 15:09.07 | morphyeys | jors: this is the same netinst but with included non free software? |
| 15:09.09 | dutchfish | carl_, for the later, you should not use zulumount, using the -s param should reveal that |
| 15:09.37 | carl_ | -s param in the terminal? |
| 15:09.48 | jors | morphyeys, yes, it is. But if you already have Debian installed, you could take a look at the Debian related docs to try to get your wifi running: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 15:09.57 | dutchfish | carl_, man 1 zuluMount-cli |
| 15:10.06 | morphyeys | no I couldn't install it |
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| 15:10.35 | morphyeys | it is asking me for ESSID or something like that and then for a key or password |
| 15:10.38 | morphyeys | and it can't connect |
| 15:10.56 | dutchfish | morphyeys, https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/zulucrypt |
| 15:11.08 | carl_ | dutchfish, no help from this command |
| 15:11.19 | carl_ | seems just a infos |
| 15:11.36 | jors | morphyeys, that's not a Debian issue, the system is asking you to put the correct information to be able to connect to the wiki network |
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| 15:11.50 | dutchfish | carl_, make sure you install the correct packages, this is debian stretch, right? |
| 15:12.08 | carl_ | but last week was working all perfectly |
| 15:12.13 | morphyeys | jors: okay may you help me with that? |
| 15:12.30 | carl_ | and I use stretch from 1 year |
| 15:12.40 | carl_ | yes strecht |
| 15:12.50 | jors | morphyeys, what are you using? network-manager? |
| 15:12.53 | carl_ | 64bit |
| 15:13.04 | morphyeys | I haven't installed Debian |
| 15:13.10 | morphyeys | so nothing I couldn't connect |
| 15:13.31 | morphyeys | I know the name of my wifi and the password |
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| 15:13.43 | morphyeys | but what was that ESSID or something like that |
| 15:13.56 | jors | morphyeys, ESSID is the name of the wifi |
| 15:14.20 | morphyeys | well I've entered the name of my wifi |
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| 15:14.30 | morphyeys | and on the next input it asked me for the password If I am not wrong |
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| 15:14.40 | morphyeys | I entered the password and it couldn't connect me |
| 15:14.59 | pila1 | hello i want to start a bash script with screen and run it in background, i try like: screen -dmS sessname myscript.sh but no screen session appears when i use screen -ls |
| 15:15.30 | dutchfish | carl_, apt-get install |
| 15:15.36 | dutchfish | carl_, |
| 15:15.53 | jors | morphyeys, dunno then, you will have to troubleshoot the reason |
| 15:15.58 | dutchfish | carl, apt-get install zulucrypt-gui |
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| 15:16.02 | morphyeys | there is no reason :D |
| 15:16.09 | morphyeys | my internet is working |
| 15:16.18 | morphyeys | but what is the difference between SSID and ESSID? |
| 15:16.24 | carl_ | apt-get install what? |
| 15:16.40 | dutchfish | carl_, that also install the dependecies |
| 15:17.12 | carl_ | you are advicig me to delete and reinstall zulucrypt? |
| 15:17.21 | dutchfish | carl_, no |
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| 15:17.44 | dutchfish | crayon, or pastebin what you have install `dpkg -l | grep zulu` |
| 15:18.04 | dutchfish | installed* |
| 15:18.19 | jors | morphyeys, it's the same |
| 15:18.55 | dutchfish | i ment carl_, or pastebin what you have installed `dpkg -l | grep zulu` |
| 15:19.32 | pila1 | can someone help me with screen please? |
| 15:19.33 | morphyeys | jors: and then I need to enter the password of my wifi or? |
| 15:20.10 | carl_ | dutchfish, https://paste.debian.net/1023435/ |
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| 15:20.45 | dutchfish | carl_, ok |
| 15:20.56 | dutchfish | carl_, so man zulumount-cli, should work |
| 15:21.02 | jors | morphyeys, it all depends what you are using to connect to your wifi. Have a read here and try to identify your method: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 15:22.16 | carl_ | dutchfish, https://paste.debian.net/1023436/ |
| 15:22.27 | carl_ | but still I have permission problems |
| 15:22.34 | carl_ | permission denied |
| 15:22.50 | dutchfish | carl_, as non-root user? |
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| 15:23.27 | carl_ | I usually open zulucrypt and give my password that's it |
| 15:23.41 | dutchfish | carl_, as non root user? |
| 15:23.59 | carl_ | maybe I should try a different way as a root user? dunno how |
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| 15:25.30 | dutchfish | carl_, i correctly warns you about not using it as root user. |
| 15:25.44 | carl_ | ok |
| 15:25.44 | dutchfish | s/i/it |
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| 15:26.56 | dutchfish | carl_, i used it this way, on any usbstick normally mounted, i create a crypted file (any file zip, tar.gz included can be used). |
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| 15:27.37 | dutchfish | carl_, and as 'normal', i could use it any way i wanted, within the gui |
| 15:27.42 | dutchfish | user |
| 15:28.07 | carl_ | it works anyway |
| 15:28.29 | dutchfish | carl_, that way, i could let the OS (Debian) handle the automount in /media |
| 15:28.41 | carl_ | but seems I am root and it give warning and then dont let me copy files out of it |
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| 15:28.49 | dutchfish | carl_, sure, but you could easely destroy it as root user. |
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| 15:29.02 | dutchfish | correct |
| 15:29.20 | carl_ | how |
| 15:29.22 | dutchfish | carl_, that is a warning not an error |
| 15:29.32 | dutchfish | carl_, reread what i said |
| 15:29.36 | carl_ | error permission denied |
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| 15:30.09 | dutchfish | carl_, of couse, if it was created as root user, a non-root user would get access denied .... |
| 15:30.11 | carl_ | if I copy stuff into it and try to paste in the computer in unencrypted way |
| 15:30.26 | dutchfish | carl_, i didnt use it that way |
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| 15:32.13 | dutchfish | carl_, another pitfall is, when you use it on another system where the normal users id differs, that wont work either |
| 15:33.43 | dutchfish | carl_, last but not least, are you sure, that usbstick didnt go corrupt? |
| 15:34.06 | dutchfish | carl_, that happened to me ones |
| 15:34.52 | dutchfish | carl_, making a backup is a sane measurement before you go any further, if that data is important to you |
| 15:35.30 | dutchfish | carl_, at least dpkg (in your pastebin) shows the packages have been correctly installed |
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| 15:35.56 | dutchfish | carl_, does this make all sense to you? |
| 15:36.16 | carl_ | dutchfish, yes but it work |
| 15:36.51 | carl_ | i can see pictures just the persmission is denied to copy out of the zulucrypt working area |
| 15:38.00 | carl_ | yesterday a man not that expert tryed to make install a synaptic file to make work the touchpad in xfce, |
| 15:38.22 | carl_ | anyway I gave up but maybe there is something wrong in x11? |
| 15:38.55 | dutchfish | carl_, well, if that is the case you could try to copy it on the console. |
| 15:39.06 | carl_ | what |
| 15:39.06 | dutchfish | carl_, with the cli |
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| 15:39.45 | dutchfish | carl_, i can only gues, what went wrong with this x11 setup .... that is hard for me. |
| 15:40.17 | carl_ | maybe I am logged it into x11 |
| 15:41.30 | dutchfish | carl_, you could examine the logs files in /var/log/ |
| 15:41.49 | dutchfish | carl_, maybe you can find a clue in there |
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| 15:42.28 | carl_ | i dunno how to do |
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| 15:43.23 | carl_ | var/log: command not found |
| 15:44.16 | dutchfish | carl_, zulucrypt also has a test option, not to be used on that current substick. zuluCrypt-cli --test. |
| 15:44.22 | dutchfish | carl_, its /var/log |
| 15:44.40 | dutchfish | (a directory containing log files) |
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| 16:25.20 | cosimone | hi everyone, i'm having a weird issue while installing: |
| 16:25.42 | cosimone | i'm installing on a ThinkPad t43p, using the nonfree iso since it's required for the wireless interface |
| 16:25.50 | cosimone | 32 bit of course |
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| 16:26.03 | cosimone | when i select "configure the network" SSIDs are scanned and found, but after selecting my network and entering the passphrase, nothing happens. it just goes back to the ssid screen |
| 16:26.18 | cosimone | i tried checking on the console by using wpa_passphrase manually, but it doesn't seem to be included |
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| 16:26.32 | cosimone | i tried to look on the website for such an issue, but i couldn't find anything |
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| 16:33.28 | jors | cosimone, wpa_passphrase is used to calculate the correct WPA PSK hash for your SSID, not to connect to the access point |
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| 16:34.07 | jors | cosimone, in any case, if you need it, you need to install wpasupplicant package |
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| 17:07.22 | SporkWitch | having some trouble understanding how shlibs:Depends and misc:Depends is expanded. The control file in the repo just lists these two variables, no explicit dependencies. The package distributed by the devs depends on libcurl3, but when I manually repackage to use libcurl4 everything i've tested works. I'm trying to figure out where to modify their source so it will accept libcurl4 and submit PR |
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| 17:08.33 | jollyjester | hello |
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| 17:16.17 | NetTerminalGene | anyone uses fedora here? |
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| 17:16.36 | SlidingHorn | NetTerminalGene: Not terribly likely...this is a Debian support channel |
| 17:16.41 | SporkWitch | NetTerminalGene: If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later. |
| 17:16.59 | RoyK | SporkWitch: guess you'll have to apt source that one and try to modify the build file - usually version numbers are listed in the dependencies |
| 17:17.26 | RoyK | dpkg: telll NetTerminalGene about fedora |
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| 17:18.12 | SporkWitch | RoyK: yeah, when i unpacked the deb they distribute it listed all the deps with minimum version numbers. I'm trying to figure out how it generates that so I can change it so it comes up with libcurl4 |
| 17:18.18 | SporkWitch | instead of libcurl3 |
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| 17:19.40 | SlidingHorn | SporkWitch: that's controlled by the .dsc file in the package |
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| 17:19.54 | SporkWitch | SlidingHorn: thanks, i'll track that down. |
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| 17:22.40 | SporkWitch | SlidingHorn: and there's no dsc file >_< lol |
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| 17:24.19 | ChmEarl | SporkWitch, all thats needed in d/control should be: libcurl-dev <-- it picks up whatever libcurlX is in repo |
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| 17:27.50 | SporkWitch | ChmEarl: i know i can define it explicitly, i'm just trying to figure out how it's getting it from those two variables in control, so i can keep in line with how they're already doing it, heh |
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| 17:29.17 | ChmEarl | SporkWitch, packaging in Debian requires faith that debhelper and devscripts/* will do the right thing... you shouldn't need to micro manage |
| 17:30.17 | SporkWitch | ChmEarl: in that case, why might it be coming up with libcurl3 insted of libcurl4? just an indication that they have 3 instead of 4 on their build machine, so the deb they distribute has that as the dep? |
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| 17:31.21 | ChmEarl | SporkWitch, yes, good bet. Their build repo contents is the cause |
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| 17:32.09 | SporkWitch | ChmEarl: well damn; would have been snazzy to have my name on an approved pull request for some commercial software lol |
| 17:32.11 | SporkWitch | oh well :( |
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| 17:32.27 | SporkWitch | (not like it was any real work; unpacking and repackaging the deb they distribute took all of 30 seconds lol) |
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| 17:59.28 | john1990 | Hi, how can I tar files, by size, recursively? |
| 17:59.38 | john1990 | that is I have a large dir tree, and only want to tar files smaller than say 20M |
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| 18:04.17 | ChmEarl | john1990, man stat |
| 18:05.09 | yanc | hi all, |
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| 18:06.28 | yanc | im trying to compile vimb browser from sources, getting error msg, deps seems to be installed, |
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| 18:07.04 | yanc | older version compiled without any errors |
| 18:07.07 | SlidingHorn | !details | yanc |
| 18:07.23 | SlidingHorn | !details |
| 18:07.24 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (amd64 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 18:07.38 | yanc | yes, |
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| 18:08.35 | yanc | its ' undefined reference to 'webkit_user_content_manager...etc' ' |
| 18:08.51 | yanc | during linking i belive |
| 18:09.08 | yanc | ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 18:11.37 | john1990 | ChmEarl: thx will give it a look |
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| 18:13.18 | yanc | debian 8.1, kernel: 3.16.0-6-amd64 |
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| 18:15.15 | yanc | debian 8.10 |
| 18:17.29 | SlidingHorn | yanc: you're not providing a coherent, detailed question, so it's difficult for anyone to attempt to help you. Please see /msg dpkg ask |
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| 18:25.14 | yanc | heres the sources of app https://github.com/fanglingsu/vimb/archive/master.zip . im doing: $make; make install ,$make is showing me error & make install fails due to this error |
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| 18:28.05 | SlidingHorn | yanc: please post the exact error to a pastebin |
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| 18:35.05 | NetTerminalGene | dying while using debian stable would be quite boring? |
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| 18:35.39 | yanc | http://termbin.com/ag4r |
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| 18:49.33 | SlidingHorn | yanc: not sure what causes that - You should probably file an issue with the developer on the software's github page |
| 18:52.10 | yanc | tx |
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| 18:52.32 | TheMerchantOfVen | testing |
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| 19:08.06 | comet23 | what is the best gui irc client? |
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| 19:13.34 | SlidingHorn | comet23: it's subjective...I've had good experiences with hexchat though |
| 19:13.57 | comet23 | i can't connect to freenode using anonsurf =( |
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| 19:28.30 | SporkWitch | comet23: i like kvirc |
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| 19:28.55 | SporkWitch | comet23: the version in the main repos is really outdated, even on *buntus, but they have a nightly ppa that's good |
| 19:30.10 | bug | +1 hexchat |
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| 19:31.38 | smokemeth420__ | I HATE NIGGERS |
| 19:31.50 | comet23 | seriously?! |
| 19:31.54 | comet23 | can we get a ban on this guy? |
| 19:32.00 | comet23 | !oops |
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| 19:32.26 | mst | comet23: I was just waiting for him to do that :) |
| 19:32.47 | comet23 | mst coming in to check his privilege :D |
| 19:33.21 | SlidingHorn | !ops |
| 19:33.22 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 19:33.36 | mst | SlidingHorn: I already k-lined him, please don't summon the ops |
| 19:33.45 | SlidingHorn | sorry I didn't see a message |
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| 19:34.47 | mst | if your client's set up to hide joins/parts/quits then you won't see them |
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| 19:35.36 | SlidingHorn | mst: yeah I have those ignored...I'm used to the ubuntu channel where it shows that they're banned outside of the normal quit messages |
| 19:35.45 | mst | comet23: if it returns on another nick, feel free to ping me, I'll be around another hour or two I think |
| 19:35.51 | mst | SlidingHorn: a straight channel ban you'd see |
| 19:35.56 | mst | SlidingHorn: I threw him off freenode entirely :) |
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| 19:42.21 | bobHK | hi |
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| 19:42.32 | bobHK | I need some help regarding apt-get install |
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| 19:43.23 | bobHK | I try to install python3-kivy and I get an error regarding unmet dependencies, I don't know how to fix this |
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| 19:44.22 | mst | bobHK: please '/msg dpkg paste' for details about how to paste information for us, then show us the exact command you ran and the complete output and error |
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| 19:46.34 | bobHK | http://paste.debian.net/1023471/ |
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| 19:48.01 | bobHK | python3-gst-1.0 and python3 package are already installed |
| 19:48.07 | mst | bobHK: please run: 'dpkg --get-selections | grep hold' to see if there's actually held packages |
| 19:48.45 | bobHK | mst, It's empty |
| 19:48.55 | mst | hm |
| 19:49.03 | mst | check what version of python3 you currently have? |
| 19:49.22 | bobHK | 3.6.5-3 |
| 19:50.20 | mst | that's bizaare |
| 19:50.27 | bobHK | my distro is a mix of testing and unstable, could apt-get be more precise about what's wrong? |
| 19:50.33 | mst | what does 'aptitude install python3-kivy' say? |
| 19:51.48 | mst | and yeah, it's entirely likely it's the mixture causing the problem but I'm not 100% sure how to convince it to tell us exactly what |
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| 19:54.25 | bobHK | http://paste.debian.net/1023473/ |
| 19:54.38 | bobHK | I have several python3 installed |
| 19:55.06 | mst | hmm |
| 19:55.14 | mst | apt-get -t=unstable install ? |
| 19:55.29 | mst | I think you may have a slightly too new python for the kibvy and it's defaulting to the version from testing? |
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| 20:02.25 | bobHK | mst, I don't understand why, it's written: python3 (< 3.7) and python3 (>= 3.5~), it's good isn't it? |
| 20:02.37 | RoyK | dpkg: tell mst about don't break debian |
| 20:02.55 | bobHK | btw what the ~ means at the end of version? |
| 20:03.21 | RoyK | just don't use package from unstable with stable |
| 20:04.40 | mst | RoyK: if the user already has a mixed testing/unstable system, how does "don't" make it easier for me to help them exactly? |
| 20:05.03 | bobHK | I just want to understand what's wrong, python 3.6.5 is within range accepted by python3-kivy |
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| 20:05.32 | bobHK | I'll never mix xorg or complicated stuff, here with python this is a simple case I think |
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| 20:29.39 | bobHK | I really don't understand: libpython3.6-stdlib Depends: python3-kivy (<= 1.9.1-1+b1), this exactly the version I want to install |
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| 20:49.26 | soman | [Newbie] I've installed on VM Debian from official website using netinstall iso image. How to find out is it stable version or unstable? |
| 20:49.44 | mst | 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
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| 20:49.51 | soman | mst: 9.4 |
| 20:50.14 | mst | which is the current latest stable |
| 20:51.20 | soman | mst: it means that version number shows distro status? Unstable ones shows something like 10.x? |
| 20:51.40 | Tom01 | and testing? |
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| 20:53.14 | soman | Tom01: is it Q or answer? |
| 20:53.14 | at0m | Tom01: shows "buster/sid" here |
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| 20:53.45 | at0m | (on a bunch of different devices) |
| 20:53.46 | mst | yeah, I don't think testing or unstable have release numbers, just code names |
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| 20:58.17 | soman | mst: thanks |
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| 21:59.05 | SlidingHorn | I'm running debian stable on a vps and need java/openjdk to run an application - I can just install the -headless and be good since there's no GUI, right? |
| 21:59.41 | AndreasLutro | yes |
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| 22:03.19 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 22:03.31 | Azrael_- | if i install just the basic debian os, how much disk space does it need? |
| 22:04.25 | iTeV | Azrael_-, I suggest you take a look at this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 22:04.35 | iTeV | ^ for i386 based systems |
| 22:04.39 | iTeV | for AMD64: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 22:05.57 | Azrael_- | thanks |
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| 22:11.55 | minus | is there some kind of guide/checklist when installing via debootstrap? the normal installer doesn't let me do what i want |
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| 22:17.22 | bites | minus: the installation manual has a guide. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 22:19.10 | minus | ah, that looks helpful indeed but unfortuantely doesn't address dm-crypt and LVM |
| 22:20.44 | Azrael_- | what do you try what it doesn't allow you to do? |
| 22:21.20 | Azrael_- | (also currently installing a non-standard setup) |
| 22:21.20 | minus | it doesn't support lvm thin volumes |
| 22:21.43 | Azrael_- | mind to explain what this is? never heard of thin volumes |
| 22:22.05 | bites | it allows you to overprovision with lvm. |
| 22:22.31 | Azrael_- | impossible to change a normal lvm to "thin" lateron? |
| 22:23.12 | bites | probably not that easy. |
| 22:23.15 | RoyK | iirc lvm volumes cannot be changed to thin |
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| 22:23.35 | minus | i guess i could just create a second volume as thin and copy the data over |
| 22:23.39 | RoyK | I've only tried thin volumes on jessie - it didn't work too well |
| 22:24.03 | RoyK | minus: doesn't work too well if the primary volume is the root |
| 22:24.35 | RoyK | better separate root and data |
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| 22:25.51 | minus | i want root in an LVM because snapshots |
| 22:26.04 | minus | thin makes that easier too |
| 22:27.08 | RoyK | mutters something about zfs |
| 22:27.25 | minus | mutters something about zfs speed |
| 22:27.38 | RoyK | same thing, basically |
| 22:28.49 | RoyK | minus: have you tried zfs? |
| 22:28.56 | minus | yes |
| 22:29.18 | RoyK | what was the problem? |
| 22:30.26 | minus | very bad r/w speed. i'm using it on arch on an SSD (ontop of dm-crypt tbf). getting seq read speed of ~55MiB/s |
| 22:31.04 | RoyK | erm - ARC on top of dm-crypt doesn't seem like a very good idea |
| 22:31.39 | Azrael_- | how should i name lvm volume groups? |
| 22:31.54 | RoyK | Azrael_-: just as you want to |
| 22:32.15 | RoyK | vgcreate fjottfittegreie /dev/sdX |
| 22:32.21 | Azrael_- | hehe, ok |
| 22:32.40 | Azrael_- | currently using the text-installer |
| 22:33.18 | RoyK | I usually create a VG named sys for the system drive(s) and then do the rest manually |
| 22:33.52 | minus | RoyK: i didn't set up any dedicated ARC though, and encryption is non-negotiable |
| 22:34.30 | RoyK | minus: how do you store the encryption keys? typing manually at bootup? |
| 22:34.46 | minus | yeah |
| 22:34.59 | RoyK | minus: and what if the system is compromised? |
| 22:35.00 | minus | that particular one is my desktop |
| 22:36.58 | minus | someone modifying the system without my knowledge is nothing i can do something about |
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| 22:38.58 | Azrael_- | minus: boot partition is unencrypted, right? or are there even some better options? |
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| 22:39.36 | minus | yes; SecureBoot/TPM may be something |
| 22:40.32 | Azrael_- | ok, too complicated. will stick to unencrypted boot and luks for the rest |
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| 22:44.47 | Azrael_- | praises the debian installer |
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| 22:45.10 | bites | i fail to see how thin volumes make snapshots easier. |
| 22:45.40 | Azrael_- | already feared raid+lvm+luks would be impossible to do without manual intervention but it seems like it worked like a charm |
| 22:45.47 | minus | bites: the snapshot will just use space from the same thinpool and you don't need to worry about setting space aside |
| 22:46.26 | minus | would be cool if you could put snapshots of non-thin volumes in a thin pool |
| 22:47.08 | Azrael_- | which could make it difficult for the pool to decide when to get rid of the "old" snapshots automatically |
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| 22:49.14 | Azrael_- | i think about setting up snapshots on my nas for providing some "backup" just in case something goes wrong. e.g. a virus tries to encrypt everything on the nas which can be accessed using smb. here the snapshot would just become invalid as soon as the virus had changed too much. how could i counter such a scenario? |
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| 23:01.06 | bites | minus: ah, i see what you mean. |
| 23:01.42 | minus | installing with normal LVM with the installer now |
| 23:01.50 | minus | let's see if grub will fail |
| 23:02.15 | minus | i did partition the disks manually before though and create the grub_bios partition |
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| 23:36.34 | Azrael_- | i want to use dropbear to unlock the encrypted root partition. can i set up dropbear not to use ssh-keys but user+pass? |
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| 23:43.47 | mephistolist | The dropbear software is just like SSH. It listens on a port and only encrypts connections, not a disk. It is possible to configure with or without a password though. If you need disk encryption I'd probably suggest Luks. |
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| 23:46.32 | bites | i believe they were talking about dropbear-initramfs to encrypt the system over ssh. |
| 23:47.00 | bites | * unlock the system |
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| 23:50.04 | Azrael_- | bites: correct |
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| 23:58.43 | bug | if you have access to cryptsetup at commandline through the connection, you can unlock the encrypted partition manually |
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