| 00:00.04 | jim | ok, one sec |
| 00:00.16 | KindaNoob | yep |
| 00:00.40 | michael2 | hi, does anyone know how urxvt-unicode chooses the browser to launch when a link is clicked? |
| 00:00.54 | jim | you say you get the address statically? not DHCP? |
| 00:01.16 | KindaNoob | yep |
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| 00:01.29 | jim | ok, hold on a sec |
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| 00:05.16 | jim | KindaNoob, take a look at this: http://termbin.com/sfjd |
| 00:05.42 | engys | Hi, did anybody else getting problems on Debian Jessie to restart libvirt vm's after updating kernel? One vm works fine but every additional vm on the same bridge will result in an error -> "Cannot get interface MAC on vnet%d" |
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| 00:06.11 | KindaNoob | ok, so I should change eth0 to enpls3, right? |
| 00:06.19 | KindaNoob | and ip/mask |
| 00:06.40 | jim | yeah and gateway... and for now comment out the dns stuff |
| 00:07.02 | KindaNoob | pretty simple |
| 00:07.39 | jim | yeah, not too bad... you're going to want another one of those for the other interface |
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| 00:08.05 | bug | enp1s3 |
| 00:08.07 | jim | except no dns stuff and no gateway |
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| 00:08.38 | jim | no, for 9 |
| 00:11.11 | jim | one small consequence of putting the interface definitions in the interfaces file... from then on, network-manager will ignore those interfaces entirely |
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| 00:21.49 | somiaj | well I would start by sharing your .xml file for your vm, and lets check what the network is configured as. To me it sounds like some configuration issue on setting up the mac address for the virtual network card. |
| 00:21.52 | engys | ok bridge name is set correctly |
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| 00:22.53 | engys | ok but it is not the first time I restart this vm's and I never changed anything on this configs |
| 00:23.16 | somiaj | the error sounds more like the virtual network card, not the bridge, but that is my best guess |
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| 00:25.29 | engys | and why this system is able to run one vm correctly no matter which one |
| 00:25.40 | engys | I know it worked fine before |
| 00:25.48 | engys | and I changed nothing |
| 00:26.04 | engys | I only used aptitude for updating packages |
| 00:26.54 | ryouma | is it possible to, from the command line, boot to an arbitrary /boot partition? |
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| 00:27.10 | ryouma | i.e. without rebooting per se |
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| 00:43.16 | jim | KindaNoob, how things going? |
| 00:43.26 | tw | ryouma: what, like kexec just before doing the acpi reboot, or you want to just hard kexec immediately without shutting down services? |
| 00:43.58 | KindaNoob | was distracted by others, sorry, I will try it later this day |
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| 00:45.10 | jim | ok, you should comment out those sections for now, if you boot, they'll change things, and you might not be able to figure out what it did right away |
| 00:46.02 | jim | other than that, ok, good enough |
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| 00:50.29 | engys | somiaj: to some reaason I have vnet0 as interface and virt-manager try to use this to build up its own br0 but br0 is already exsiting I did not need vnet0 |
| 00:50.53 | somiaj | engys: provide some actual output, you were already asked to share the .xml file for the vm. |
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| 01:01.24 | nezZario | So I'm sincerely not trying to bait here. But is there something about extfs that makes it more vulnerable to corruption from sudden power loss than say ntfs? I've had so many issues with corruption due to sudden power loss |
| 01:02.46 | nezZario | Or is it just because I haven't used windows in so long I really never have used windows and ssd's for any serious period of time (this is a possibly) |
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| 01:11.01 | ryouma | tw: i want to be running debian, and go to a command line, and switch immediately to booting from an external hard drive that my system cannot boot because it is too old. plop allows you to do that from an iso. i wanted to konw if i can do it from teh commadn line. |
| 01:11.57 | ryouma | nezZario: i am not aware of ext3 or ext4 having issues with this |
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| 01:12.44 | ryouma | nezZario: rebuilding from journal is not the same thing as corruption, of course. if you are getting corruption, by all means report it as a bug! |
| 01:12.55 | tw | ryouma: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kexec |
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| 01:13.59 | ryouma | tw: the only bug i have ever found in ext (2, 3, 4) is when i put a ton of files in a directory. that corrupted ext3 in 2002 or so. |
| 01:14.38 | nezZario | Ryouma: I had a sudden loss of power and now it doesn't even recognize it as an ext partition. Haven't fsck'd yet. Getting a bootable usb |
| 01:14.50 | nezZario | This has happened a few times. |
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| 01:16.31 | nezZario | Probably 3rd or 4th time over 2 years |
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| 01:17.50 | nezZario | I really can't tell you why or how. I have 2x ssd's plugged in and with mdadm doing mirroring |
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| 01:21.23 | engys | somiaj: well it take some time -> https://ptpb.pw/78G- |
| 01:23.23 | engys | somiaj: funny thing in this xml -> br0 uses the mac address from vnet0 and not from br0 |
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| 01:26.03 | somiaj | could it be a mac address colsition and you just need to regenerate the mac address |
| 01:26.39 | somiaj | but that isn't funny, the macaddress is for the virtual network card, not the bridge. |
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| 01:28.12 | somiaj | and the issue is only one vm actually runs. Could you run this vm if you shut down the other one? |
| 01:28.28 | engys | yes |
| 01:28.31 | somiaj | or for some reason of all your vms, they all stopped running except for a paticular one? (or just stopped having network) |
| 01:29.01 | somiaj | and this issue affects starting the vm, or just putting the vm on the network? |
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| 01:29.45 | engys | as long only one vm run everything is fine no matter which one |
| 01:30.06 | somiaj | have you checked to see if all the vms are using different mac address? Or all the same one? |
| 01:31.06 | michael2 | If Im running gnome-desktop environment and I want to remove firefox-esr and replace it with some other browser. aptitude refuses to remove 'firefox-esr' because gnome-desktop depends on it - am I good to go ahead and force remove "firefox-esr" ? |
| 01:31.08 | ryouma | nezZario: mdadm is an extra layer that could introduce issues |
| 01:31.09 | somiaj | also you keep saying vnet0, shouldn't the second vm be using vnet1? (I only know a little about this, and just comparing what you have to what is working here, though I'm running stretch) |
| 01:31.49 | somiaj | michael2: you don't have to remove it, you could just use another browser. |
| 01:32.03 | engys | somiaj: they are all using their own mac address |
| 01:32.08 | somiaj | michael2: also how are you trying to remove the firefox-esr package? |
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| 01:32.47 | burtproblem | hey guys, im trying to install windows using a second hdd as the install source, how do i get the hdd to boot (how can i install the boot sector) from a debian system? |
| 01:33.15 | somiaj | engys: care to share the interfaces file of your host and one of your vms? |
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| 01:34.07 | engys | somiaj: I have another machine on stretch and this one work without any problem |
| 01:34.11 | KindaNoob | jim |
| 01:34.17 | KindaNoob | It doesn't work |
| 01:34.22 | somiaj | engys: I'll see if I can see anything there, but this statement kinda confuses me, 'br0 is already existing i did not need vnet0' -- and the answer is yes you need vnet0, you need a virtual network card for each vm, they just all use the bridge to access the network. So you'll have br0, and vnet? for each vm running. |
| 01:34.22 | engys | and with jessie this problem is new |
| 01:34.29 | michael2 | somiaj: aptitude remove firefox-esr |
| 01:34.43 | somiaj | michael2: that should work, though it might remove most of gnome with it. |
| 01:34.44 | KindaNoob | I thibk networkmanager doesn't allow it |
| 01:35.35 | somiaj | michael2: try using apt remove firefox-esr, this will not remove auto isntalled packages, but it will then list a whole lot of packages that you it things you want removed. You'll then have to go mark manual (with apt-mark) some smaller meta packages for gnome to keep apt from thining you want to remove all of gnoem. |
| 01:36.18 | somiaj | engys: I'm unsure what it could be, but not seeing anything out of the ordinary. Maybe it is an issue with jessie, or maybe you have some small issue in your configuration that is hiding somewhere (though as you said it was working then stopped). |
| 01:36.33 | somiaj | I don't have any jessie machines I can test this on. |
| 01:37.03 | michael2 | somiaj: aptitude just gives other suggestions like install some other browser that would satisfy the gnome desktop dependency - I dont reaally want any of those suggestion |
| 01:37.33 | jim | KindaNoob, what are your interface names again? |
| 01:37.48 | KindaNoob | enpls3 and enpls9 |
| 01:38.08 | somiaj | michael2: yea, I would use apt here, aptitude will try to remove auto removed packages during the command, apt will not. |
| 01:38.09 | KindaNoob | "ip address" shows like them don't have any ip |
| 01:38.19 | KindaNoob | I deleted nm |
| 01:38.21 | KindaNoob | rebooting |
| 01:38.23 | jim | would it be bad for you if you were to reboot |
| 01:38.26 | jim | '? |
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| 01:38.50 | jim | (don't do it yet) |
| 01:39.02 | KindaNoob | late |
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| 01:39.11 | jim | ok, |
| 01:39.14 | KindaNoob | it is old PC, so rebooting is not so fast |
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| 01:39.33 | jim | let me know when it's up |
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| 01:40.05 | KindaNoob | up |
| 01:40.52 | dvs | sup ;-) |
| 01:40.54 | KindaNoob | jim |
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| 01:41.38 | jim | ok, could you add this line to the interfaces file: auto enpls3, just above the iface enpls3 line |
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| 01:42.52 | jim | KindaNoob, ^^ |
| 01:43.19 | KindaNoob | rebooting |
| 01:43.25 | jim | wait |
| 01:43.34 | jim | don't reboot :) |
| 01:43.35 | KindaNoob | haha |
| 01:43.47 | KindaNoob | what next/ |
| 01:43.49 | KindaNoob | ? |
| 01:44.05 | jim | did you reboot? |
| 01:44.20 | KindaNoob | Failed to raise network interfaces |
| 01:44.24 | KindaNoob | see systemctl |
| 01:44.28 | KindaNoob | yeah |
| 01:45.18 | jim | ok, don't reboot each time... and, let me know what you're about to do |
| 01:45.25 | michael2 | somiaj: trying to understand your last message. so which packages will be the "auto removed" ones? |
| 01:45.41 | KindaNoob | ok, both DOWN |
| 01:46.22 | jim | ok, what happens if you do: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:46.24 | somiaj | michael2: remove firefox-esr will remove the metapackage for the gnome desktop. This is the package that is 'holding in' all the gnome packages, since almost all of them will be auto, apt will think since you removed the main meta package you don't want those packages either. |
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| 01:47.13 | somiaj | michael2: apt will only let you know that it thinks you want to remove these packages (aptitude will try to deal with them). But there are smaller metapackages for gnome that don't depend on firefox-esr. Just mark one of these as manual, and then apt won't think you awnt to remove all of gnome. |
| 01:47.30 | KindaNoob | Failed because the control process exited with error code |
| 01:48.10 | KindaNoob | see "systemctl status networking.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details |
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| 01:49.55 | michael2 | somiaj: what I was thinking of doing was removing "firefox-esr" and leaving "gnome-desktop" in a state of having an unresolved dependency, rather that try and remove all of gnome-desktop - whcih is huge |
| 01:50.03 | jim | ok, try: ifdown enpls3 |
| 01:50.13 | somiaj | michael2: that is not what you want to do, first does apt remove firefox-esr work? |
| 01:50.17 | Namll | anyone here have success with virtualbox on debian 9? I installed it with the stretch-backports in the server.list, but when I try to start virtualbox i get an error. I've tried the reseources found from searching my error. They all just said to purge remove the package, and try from a fresh start. It does not seem to work. http://paste.debian.net/1023617/ |
| 01:50.17 | Namll | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.43 | somiaj | michael2: second I will need some output, but I will be able to help make it work. The way you are going is not the proper way to do this. |
| 01:50.48 | KindaNoob | interface enpls3 not configured |
| 01:50.54 | michael2 | somiaj: ok, I didn't try `apt remove..' Ill try it now |
| 01:51.24 | jim | KindaNoob, ok, try: ifup enpls3 |
| 01:51.34 | somiaj | Namll: do you have the linux-headers for your kernel installed and did you install the virtualbox-kernel-dkms package installed? |
| 01:51.42 | KindaNoob | failed to bring up enpls3 |
| 01:52.34 | KindaNoob | also, cannot find device enpls3 |
| 01:53.02 | engys | somiaj: which version libvirt is on jessie because -> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1506822 |
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| 01:53.15 | jim | ok, could you look at the output of: ifconfig -a |
| 01:53.30 | somiaj | ,v libvirt0 |
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| 01:53.32 | judd | Package: libvirt0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.2.9-9+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.2.9-9+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 3.0.0-4+deb9u2~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.0.0-4+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.0.0-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 3.0.0-4+deb9u3; buster: 4.2.0-2; sid: |
| 01:53.33 | judd | 4.2.0-2 |
| 01:53.40 | somiaj | engys: 1.2.9 on jessie. |
| 01:53.41 | michael2 | somiaj: `apt remove firefox-esr' tries to install chromium - which I dont want, output here: |
| 01:53.42 | michael2 | https://dpaste.de/f7TE |
| 01:53.42 | jim | you should see interface names on the left side, could you list them |
| 01:53.48 | KindaNoob | no such command |
| 01:53.50 | KindaNoob | I use ip |
| 01:54.03 | KindaNoob | lo enpls3 enpls9 |
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| 01:54.38 | engys | somiaj: maybe I am able to use libvirt from backports on this machine |
| 01:54.56 | jim | are you typing the interface names? |
| 01:55.05 | KindaNoob | ? |
| 01:55.21 | somiaj | engys: 3.0.0 is in jessie-backports. YOu could try that. |
| 01:55.22 | KindaNoob | "ip address" and it writes them all |
| 01:55.22 | Namll | somiaj: yes i have linux headers and dkms installed |
| 01:55.39 | jim | or ip link |
| 01:55.45 | somiaj | Namll: do you ahve the option enabled in your bios to share your cpu with virtual machiens? |
| 01:55.50 | KindaNoob | same |
| 01:55.57 | KindaNoob | same as ip address |
| 01:56.05 | somiaj | Namll: try this, 'modprobe virtualbox', then look at the output of dmesg and see why it is failing to load the module. |
| 01:56.33 | somiaj | michael2: hmm, this is quite strange. I'm not quite sure what is going on. Lets do some digging. Output of 'aptitude why firefox-esr' |
| 01:57.15 | jim | maybe you might be misspelling the interface names... that l in both names, is it an l or a 1? |
| 01:57.22 | Namll | somiaj: ok, ill check the modprobe, this is what i have with dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms "Job for virtualbox.service failed because the control process exited with error code." |
| 01:58.11 | michael2 | somiaj: http://termbin.com/v7f2 |
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| 01:58.26 | somiaj | Namll: it might be you need to turn on the configuration to share your cpu with guest in your bios. This is usually off by default. |
| 01:58.35 | KindaNoob | ou |
| 01:58.38 | KindaNoob | yeah |
| 01:58.39 | KindaNoob | it is 1 |
| 01:58.41 | KindaNoob | shit |
| 01:59.39 | KindaNoob | reboot? |
| 01:59.45 | jim | nooo :) |
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| 02:00.07 | KindaNoob | ha |
| 02:00.07 | jim | as far as I know, you didn't do anything yet :) |
| 02:00.14 | KindaNoob | now it is UP |
| 02:00.30 | KindaNoob | I switch these names in interfaces |
| 02:00.39 | KindaNoob | and ifup enp1s3 |
| 02:00.45 | jim | ok :) |
| 02:00.49 | KindaNoob | will trey |
| 02:00.51 | jim | and ping works now? |
| 02:00.57 | jim | don't reboot yet :) |
| 02:00.59 | KindaNoob | wait |
| 02:01.13 | KindaNoob | also, ping is also forbidden |
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| 02:01.34 | jim | what address are you pinging? |
| 02:01.35 | KindaNoob | ok, LAN works |
| 02:01.40 | somiaj | michael2: lets try to remove the metapackages gnome and gnome-core first. apt remove gnome gnome-core (does that only remove those two packages?) |
| 02:02.08 | KindaNoob | I can ping others machines in my network |
| 02:02.25 | jim | try this: ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:02.25 | michael2 | somiaj: that wont remove programs off my system right? seems dangerous? |
| 02:02.28 | KindaNoob | but seams DNS doesn't work |
| 02:02.45 | jim | we will get ther |
| 02:02.47 | jim | e |
| 02:03.00 | KindaNoob | ok, what if I have more than one DNS? |
| 02:03.08 | somiaj | michael2: they are just meta packages. apt won't remove other stuff (but you always have the change to say y/n, only say y if it is only going to remove those two packages) |
| 02:03.17 | KindaNoob | What syntax? |
| 02:03.24 | KindaNoob | dns-nameserver ip1 ip2? |
| 02:03.28 | jim | well, we'll get to dns in a moment |
| 02:03.49 | jim | that doesn't work until you have resolvconf installed |
| 02:04.04 | jim | it's a apt package |
| 02:04.21 | jim | can you ping: 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:04.35 | KindaNoob | as I said, ping is restricted |
| 02:04.39 | KindaNoob | only LAN |
| 02:04.58 | KindaNoob | should I instal that resolveconf? |
| 02:05.31 | jim | without the e, yes... but you have to have net to get that |
| 02:05.55 | KindaNoob | yah |
| 02:06.05 | KindaNoob | so, how? |
| 02:06.12 | jim | do you have the cable connected to the motherboard port? |
| 02:06.24 | KindaNoob | yep |
| 02:06.31 | jim | ok |
| 02:06.49 | michael2 | somiaj: understood. |
| 02:07.10 | jim | well let's see, could you try: dpkg -s resolvconf |
| 02:07.18 | jim | it's going to be a lot of outptu |
| 02:07.50 | KindaNoob | dpkg not installed |
| 02:07.50 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, KindaNoob |
| 02:08.35 | michael2 | somiaj: can you tell me what your plan is? removing those packages seems major? It will leave huge amount of packaging in "auto" installed state right? |
| 02:08.42 | jim | wait... you don't have dpkg? |
| 02:09.01 | jim | or you don't have resolvconf? |
| 02:09.13 | michael2 | if you dont have dpkg - your probably not using debian :) |
| 02:09.35 | KindaNoob | dpkg-query: package "resolvconf" not intalled |
| 02:09.37 | KindaNoob | this |
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| 02:09.48 | jim | oh ok |
| 02:09.53 | jim | whew |
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| 02:10.16 | somiaj | michael2: we will then go mark some other core packages as manual until apt is satsified and doens't think things need to be removed. |
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| 02:11.14 | somiaj | michael2: but since apt won't just remove these packages, we can get the package requring you to have a browser off your system so you can remove firefox, then we will look at what is listed and find some more packages to mark as manual so apt won't think you don't want that software anymore. |
| 02:11.25 | jim | ok, -now- try a reboot... if you have that auto line in there, it should put the interface up |
| 02:11.53 | somiaj | michael2: really metapackages don't do anything except pull in groups of packages and hold them in via the manual/auto flags. Your system will work just fine without them, we'll just have to do a bit more work. |
| 02:11.58 | KindaNoob | rebooting |
| 02:12.05 | jim | also make sure in interfaces file, the IP addresses are "spelled" correctly |
| 02:12.06 | somiaj | michael2: and since you do not want to have a browser installed, you will have to remove gnome-core. |
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| 02:13.10 | jim | you can do that after you reboot |
| 02:13.29 | KindaNoob | I think it's my bad again I have write "dns-nameservers ip1 ip2" |
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| 02:14.35 | jim | you still can't ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 02:14.54 | KindaNoob | as I said, ping is restricted |
| 02:15.02 | KindaNoob | no way I can ping something aout of my LAN |
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| 02:15.22 | jim | did those pings used to work? |
| 02:15.32 | KindaNoob | yep |
| 02:15.40 | michael2 | somiaj: ok so, basically we remove `gnome' and `gnome-core' - but I *dont* want to remove their auto-depencies. Then we will mark those auto-dependencies as "manual" |
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| 02:15.51 | KindaNoob | I already ping that machine from this machine |
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| 02:16.19 | KindaNoob | how nslookup works in linux? |
| 02:16.28 | somiaj | michael2: correct, and hopefully we can identify 2-3 major ones that hold in the rest |
| 02:16.33 | KindaNoob | in windows I can just nslookup google.com and it returns ip |
| 02:17.12 | jim | make sure the netmask is correct |
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| 02:17.21 | jim | in interfaces file |
| 02:17.29 | KindaNoob | correct |
| 02:17.46 | michael2 | somiaj: then we look for the package insisting that a browser is installed - and then what, remove it? |
| 02:17.48 | KindaNoob | and I can even ping local DNS server |
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| 02:17.58 | jim | KindaNoob, nslookup works by asking a dns server for the address |
| 02:18.36 | KindaNoob | well |
| 02:18.39 | KindaNoob | it works |
| 02:18.44 | jim | howbout this... put one of the dns servers in the dns-nameservers line |
| 02:18.56 | KindaNoob | I mean, in windows I shouln't specify server |
| 02:19.03 | KindaNoob | already |
| 02:19.09 | somiaj | michael2: it appears that it is gnome-core wanting the browser. My hope is after you remove gnome core you can remove firefox-esr as desired (note you could just leave it installed and not use it if you think that is easier, other wise we keep going down the rabit hole and figure out the dependenies manually since apt isn't figuring out the situation for you) |
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| 02:19.54 | somiaj | michael2: but after gnome-core is removed, aptitude why firefox-esr and see if anything else depends on it. |
| 02:20.01 | jim | could it be that in windows, it uses dhcp? |
| 02:20.19 | KindaNoob | nope |
| 02:20.28 | KindaNoob | none of our machines use DHCP |
| 02:20.37 | michael2 | somiaj: I can run debtree now and just try find the package that depends on browser directly ? |
| 02:20.43 | jim | what did you tell windows about the net connection? |
| 02:21.07 | somiaj | michael2: I think it is gnome-core, and no matter what that needs to be removed. You could try that if you want. This is the way I would go, just because it is the way I know. |
| 02:21.19 | KindaNoob | same stuff but with different ip |
| 02:21.22 | somiaj | !tell michael2 about equivs |
| 02:21.46 | jim | different IP? how come? |
| 02:21.57 | somiaj | michael2: if all else fails you could also try that factiod I sent you, and make yoru system think firefox-esr is installed, though I would suggest the route I sent you down, to keep your dependencies and apt clean. |
| 02:22.09 | KindaNoob | well, different because it's different machine |
| 02:22.13 | KindaNoob | Or what you meant? |
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| 02:22.56 | jim | oh |
| 02:23.18 | jim | so you have two completely different machines, one running windows? |
| 02:23.30 | KindaNoob | yep |
| 02:23.38 | KindaNoob | Do you think I'm rebooting while chat? |
| 02:23.47 | somiaj | michael2: I need to step away fro about 20 mins, but I'll be back if needed. |
| 02:23.58 | michael2 | somiaj: cool. thanks |
| 02:24.01 | jim | KindaNoob, I was wondering about that |
| 02:24.29 | jim | when you try to ping outside, what does it say (exact text)? |
| 02:25.07 | KindaNoob | "interval was too long" |
| 02:25.16 | KindaNoob | Or I dunno how it would be correct |
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| 02:25.30 | KindaNoob | I'm useing russian version |
| 02:25.40 | jim | never seen that message (doesn't mean much) |
| 02:25.49 | KindaNoob | they just drop it |
| 02:26.08 | KindaNoob | I mean, guys that responsable for outer connection |
| 02:26.15 | jim | ping timeout maybe? |
| 02:26.24 | KindaNoob | yeah, cinda like that |
| 02:26.27 | KindaNoob | kinda* |
| 02:26.43 | jim | could you do: LC_ALL=c ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 02:27.33 | KindaNoob | ? |
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| 02:28.35 | jim | this line exactly: LC_ALL=c ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:28.50 | jelly | jim: itym LC_ALL=C |
| 02:29.02 | jim | oh |
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| 02:29.06 | KindaNoob | =( |
| 02:29.11 | jim | has to be capital? |
| 02:29.19 | KindaNoob | nothing |
| 02:29.27 | jim | ok, my bad... try this: |
| 02:29.44 | jim | LC_ALL=C ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 02:29.53 | jelly | locale names are case sensitive |
| 02:29.57 | KindaNoob | 54 transmitted, 0 recieves |
| 02:30.00 | mellotto | hi there |
| 02:30.05 | jim | hi |
| 02:31.03 | KindaNoob | same |
| 02:31.13 | jim | ok |
| 02:31.41 | jim | is gateway address correct in interfaces file? |
| 02:31.54 | KindaNoob | yep |
| 02:32.02 | KindaNoob | I can ping other networks |
| 02:32.22 | KindaNoob | I can ping DNS server |
| 02:32.39 | KindaNoob | Like I can't ping outside 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 02:32.45 | jim | ok, on windows machine... |
| 02:32.51 | jim | holdon |
| 02:32.56 | KindaNoob | same |
| 02:33.00 | jim | ,v resolvconf |
| 02:33.01 | judd | Package: resolvconf on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.67; jessie: 1.76.1; buster: 1.79; sid: 1.79; stretch: 1.79 |
| 02:33.17 | jim | what version of debian do you have? |
| 02:33.43 | KindaNoob | what command? |
| 02:33.58 | jim | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:34.23 | KindaNoob | 9.1 |
| 02:34.59 | jim | ok, what apt mirror do you use (should be in /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 02:35.31 | somiaj | michael2: back, feel free to bounce ideas off of me, but I think you see the direction I was heading and might be able to get it yourself. |
| 02:35.46 | KindaNoob | 5 lines |
| 02:35.54 | KindaNoob | sec deb org |
| 02:36.00 | KindaNoob | deb deb org |
| 02:36.05 | KindaNoob | sec deb org src |
| 02:36.15 | KindaNoob | dev deb debsec |
| 02:36.22 | KindaNoob | ftp ru deb org |
| 02:36.40 | jim | ftp.ru.debian.org? |
| 02:36.58 | KindaNoob | yeap |
| 02:37.56 | KindaNoob | Why I can't just use name servers specified in interfeces? |
| 02:38.17 | jim | ok... on your windows machine, (working on that now) |
| 02:38.30 | jim | one sec |
| 02:39.14 | bug | laffs @ "interfeces" |
| 02:39.23 | KindaNoob | yep |
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| 02:42.03 | jim | on your windows machine, could you get this file: http://ftp.ru.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/resolvconf/resolvconf_1.79_all.deb |
| 02:42.31 | michael2 | somiaj: cool. Im running `debtree gnome' now to see if I can identify the dependency which requires "firefox-esr" |
| 02:42.45 | somiaj | michael2: it is gnome-core, your aptitude why command already told you that. |
| 02:43.04 | somiaj | michael2: the output you sent me, "i A gnome-core Depends firefox-esr (>= 30) | firefox (>= 30) | chromium" |
| 02:43.46 | KindaNoob | ok, got it what you mean |
| 02:44.12 | bug | yet another great reason not to use gnome de... absurd dependencies |
| 02:44.50 | michael2 | somiaj: nice, so then if we just remove "gnome-core" then mark all its auto-dependencies as manual then we should be good? |
| 02:45.03 | KindaNoob | so, how to install int? |
| 02:45.05 | KindaNoob | it* |
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| 02:45.28 | michael2 | somiaj: except then gnome will be left without gnome core? |
| 02:45.42 | jim | KindaNoob, first move it to your debian machine and then... |
| 02:45.46 | somiaj | michael2: gnome is a metapackage, in order to achive what you want you have to remove gnome and gnome-core (metpackages) |
| 02:45.58 | somiaj | michael2: gnome depends on gnome-core, so both have to go. |
| 02:46.11 | jim | dpkg -i resolvconf_1.79_all.deb |
| 02:46.11 | dpkg | package resolvconf_1.79_all.deb is already installed |
| 02:46.11 | KindaNoob | did |
| 02:46.32 | jim | ignore that silly dpkg :) |
| 02:46.39 | michael2 | somiaj: ok, so then I the command I should run will be: `apt remove gnome gnome-core' ? |
| 02:46.55 | somiaj | michael2: correct |
| 02:47.00 | KindaNoob | yeah, bot |
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| 02:47.09 | KindaNoob | installed |
| 02:47.52 | jim | ok, -now- the dns-nameservers line in the interfaces file will work |
| 02:48.26 | KindaNoob | so? How to re-launch it? |
| 02:48.38 | michael2 | somiaj: this is what happens: |
| 02:48.41 | michael2 | https://dpaste.de/rH6m |
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| 02:49.13 | somiaj | michael2: perfect, only two packages will be removed. We'll deal with that long list soon. |
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| 02:50.12 | michael2 | somiaj: ok, gnome and gnome-core removed - now remove "firefox-esr"? |
| 02:50.22 | somiaj | michael2: yup |
| 02:50.43 | michael2 | somiaj: with apt or aptitude? |
| 02:50.51 | somiaj | michael2: apt |
| 02:51.44 | jim | KindaNoob, ifdown enp1s3 |
| 02:52.00 | jim | then ifup enp1s3 |
| 02:52.08 | KindaNoob | too late, already rebooted |
| 02:52.26 | michael2 | somiaj: ok, firefox-esr removed. (apt reminded again of the huge list of auto-installed packaged) |
| 02:52.36 | KindaNoob | yes |
| 02:52.37 | jim | ok |
| 02:52.41 | KindaNoob | it works |
| 02:52.45 | somiaj | michael2: lookting through it now, seeing if I can find any good packages. |
| 02:52.54 | KindaNoob | no I need configure openvpn |
| 02:53.19 | jim | I have no idea how to do that :) |
| 02:53.26 | KindaNoob | now I need* |
| 02:53.35 | KindaNoob | ok |
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| 02:53.48 | jim | but final test: ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:53.52 | jim | see if that works |
| 02:54.04 | jim | then ping yahoo.com |
| 02:54.35 | KindaNoob | nope |
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| 02:54.49 | jim | neither work? |
| 02:55.04 | jim | what does work? |
| 02:55.06 | KindaNoob | yeah, as I said, ping isn't alowed |
| 02:55.15 | r3m | ,v weechat |
| 02:55.16 | KindaNoob | google.com |
| 02:55.16 | judd | Package: weechat on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.3.8-1+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 0.4.3-2~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1; jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1.6-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6-1+deb9u2; sid: 1.9-1; sid: 1.9.1-1; buster: 2.1-2; sid: 2.1-2 |
| 02:55.18 | somiaj | michael2: yea, this might require more than I thought. It is a shame that gnome-core depends on a browser these days. Anyways, I would avoid marking libs as manual, but lets start with a few, 'apt-mark manual gnome-themes-standard' as starters, after this you can then see what else is listed, then rinse and repeate. |
| 02:55.21 | KindaNoob | aliexpress.com |
| 02:55.48 | KindaNoob | I mean, from browser |
| 02:56.09 | somiaj | michael2: then you coudl say do 'apt upgrade', and it should give you that list again, and slowly go through and mark the main packages (not libs) as manual. You won't need to do this to all, but I think you'll have to do it to quite a few. |
| 02:56.13 | jim | oh, so your browser is working? |
| 02:56.29 | KindaNoob | yep |
| 02:56.38 | KindaNoob | As I said, only 80 and 443 works |
| 02:56.44 | michael2 | somiaj: ok. what is the command to mark a package manual? |
| 02:56.45 | jim | ok, that should mean your connection is up... |
| 02:56.50 | KindaNoob | sure |
| 02:56.54 | jim | try this as root: |
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| 02:57.01 | somiaj | michael2: I gave that to you, 'apt-mark manual gnome-themes-standard' as a first step. |
| 02:57.03 | jim | apt-get update |
| 02:57.22 | KindaNoob | I have very bad internet connection |
| 02:57.26 | KindaNoob | 1Mb/s |
| 02:57.40 | jim | that;s not that bad |
| 02:57.42 | michael2 | somiaj: ah! got it |
| 02:57.43 | KindaNoob | I think it would take long time |
| 02:58.00 | jim | its just downloading lists |
| 02:58.10 | jim | they're kinda short |
| 02:58.23 | KindaNoob | 85MB |
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| 02:58.29 | somiaj | michael2: basically the only downside to this, if you ever wanted to remove gnome, you have to manually remove a good number of packages. But this will ensure that your depends on yoru system are clean. |
| 02:59.49 | jim | so that should take just under 2 mins |
| 03:00.03 | michael2 | somiaj: what Im thinking is that - the following packages I mark manually now. I am going to put them into a script - next time I install -I won't install gnome-desktop . I wiil instead install i3 and just manually apt-get install all these packages |
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| 03:00.28 | jim | but if it works, I'd say we're done with the physical connection and the dns |
| 03:00.36 | somiaj | michael2: good idea. |
| 03:00.49 | somiaj | !tell michael2 about aptitude clone |
| 03:00.55 | somiaj | michael2: you could also use that to generate a list. |
| 03:01.50 | KindaNoob | yes |
| 03:02.03 | jim | ran to completion? |
| 03:02.14 | KindaNoob | still downloading |
| 03:02.18 | KindaNoob | 72% |
| 03:02.34 | jim | seems solid to me |
| 03:02.55 | michael2 | somiaj: cool. well If I take a while, its because Im running the commands, then re-updating the list with `apt update' - then copying them into a script |
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| 03:03.35 | somiaj | michael2: no problem, as long as you feel you are on your way to getting what you want. |
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| 03:08.30 | Namll | hello, i just rebooted from a update/upgrade and my window manager is not working. When I log in I get the error, xset unable to open display "" |
| 03:08.40 | Namll | I am using i3 wm |
| 03:09.35 | Namll | I am still able to use the machine and connect to internet, use the system as i am on irc right now with it, switching between tty. |
| 03:09.46 | somiaj | Namll: does 'startx' work? |
| 03:10.07 | Namll | yes that worked |
| 03:10.27 | somiaj | so you'll ahve to debug why your display manager isn't loading. Do you know what display mangaer you are using? |
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| 03:12.23 | Namll | somiaj: I am not sure which one i am using |
| 03:12.56 | Namll | when i boot, i get a tty with a login promt. once logged in it would boot my window manager. |
| 03:13.03 | somiaj | Namll: dpkg -l | grep gdm3 (is it gdm3?) |
| 03:13.23 | somiaj | Namll: actually wait, cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager (what is in that file)? |
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| 03:14.20 | Namll | I dont have that file |
| 03:14.47 | somiaj | Namll: dpkg -l | grep -i display |
| 03:14.51 | somiaj | Namll: can you give me the output of that. |
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| 03:16.10 | Namll | https://paste.debian.net/1023625/ |
| 03:16.33 | Namll | before i would have in my .xintrc "exec i3" |
| 03:16.46 | Namll | or, thats what i have right now which allowed me previously to boot into wm |
| 03:16.55 | Namll | after login |
| 03:17.20 | somiaj | Namll: it doens't appear you have a display manger installed. for i3, I would suggest lightdm |
| 03:17.24 | somiaj | Namll: apt install lightdm |
| 03:17.37 | Namll | are they required? |
| 03:17.43 | somiaj | Namll: that is if you want one. They are not, I just use startx myself. |
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| 03:18.00 | somiaj | it just depends on if you want a graphical login that goes directly to xorg or not. |
| 03:18.01 | Namll | up to this point i liked just being to log in, and i was peachy. |
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| 03:18.37 | Namll | i like as bare bones for this machine. I guess i will get used to just using startx |
| 03:18.40 | somiaj | and it looks like I just missunderstood you. startx is not loading teh correct window manager... |
| 03:18.56 | somiaj | since you said window manger is not working (I read display manger...my bad) |
| 03:19.04 | Namll | I wounder what caused it to not work anymore after the update. |
| 03:19.32 | somiaj | as for the error xset, you should check your .bashrc, or .bash_profile, or .profile and see if you have an xset command there. If you do, move it to .xinitrc (though Iw oudl suggest using .xsesion on debian instead) |
| 03:19.56 | somiaj | Namll: how did it work before the update? Did you have some script launch x when you loged, or did you have a display manager? |
| 03:20.36 | Namll | in my .bash_profile i have the exec startx |
| 03:21.13 | somiaj | that is not good. |
| 03:21.15 | Namll | [[ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx |
| 03:21.43 | somiaj | If you want to log directly into your window manger, use a display manager. I would not try to automate such a thing via .bash_profile. |
| 03:22.24 | somiaj | there are other logins (such as over ssh) you may not want such a thing happening). |
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| 03:23.09 | Namll | ok, well i guess its good this broke so i dont keep using patchwork. Ill get used to typing exec startx |
| 03:23.30 | Namll | thanks for the help somiaj |
| 03:23.32 | somiaj | startx after you login should be fine |
| 03:23.44 | somiaj | there is also nodm, it can automatically log you into xorg at boot. |
| 03:23.54 | somiaj | (the exec shoudln't be needed) |
| 03:24.50 | Namll | going to reboot and see how it goes. |
| 03:31.47 | michael2 | somiaj: Im trying to organise my scripts that Im going to throw all these 'apt-mark manual' or install commands into - else I wont be able to make sense of the scripts when I come to re-run on a new system |
| 03:31.59 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 03:31.59 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 03:32.07 | somiaj | michael2: you could just use that once you get the system the way you want it. |
| 03:32.40 | michael2 | yeah, I expect a massive package list like that to fail |
| 03:33.06 | somiaj | it should work jsut fine if you only have debian packages installed (and install the same version of debian) |
| 03:33.15 | michael2 | then how do you debug when the 231st package out of list of 400 packages failed? |
| 03:33.17 | somiaj | but yes, with third party sources, you'll need to include those too |
| 03:33.51 | michael2 | I break my scripts down into itty bitty baby scripts |
| 03:35.15 | michael2 | so i think I'll just do "dev_tools", then maybe "system config" packages and "user applications' |
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| 03:45.36 | michael2 | somiaj: out of that huge list, I only ended up apt-marking 2 packages - there was nothing else I could see that I wanted or needed... |
| 03:47.15 | somiaj | you can always install it back later if you find you need it too. |
| 03:48.29 | michael2 | somiaj: thats what I was thinking. is there a tasksel that you recommend I run after the netinstaller ? |
| 03:49.16 | michael2 | somiaj: I mean, usually at the end of the netinstaller I run "gnome-desktop" task |
| 03:49.33 | somiaj | I only select 'standard' and 'ssh server' when I do installs. Then install everything else I want after. |
| 03:49.40 | somiaj | I always deslect the desktop enviorments because I don't use them. |
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| 03:50.58 | michael2 | somiaj: cool. so basically you just take what the netinstaller leaves you + standard and ssh-server. what does standard give you? all the systemd services? pulse audio , ssh-agent etc? |
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| 03:51.32 | somiaj | no pluse. |
| 03:51.34 | somiaj | !standard |
| 03:51.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
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| 03:52.05 | somiaj | ssh-agent comes with ssh. |
| 03:52.50 | michael2 | if you dont get pulse with "standard" does that mean you dont get sound capabilities with standard? |
| 03:53.02 | somiaj | the netinstall as a minial system, but I consider a base debian system standard and higher packages (which isn't that much, but the netinstall minimal system is missing a few of them) |
| 03:53.24 | somiaj | alsa is in the kernel, and for the most part I use alsa. I have only recentally tried pulse. Though I prefer just alsa. |
| 03:53.38 | somiaj | pulse is a desktop thing on top of alsa, and is optional. |
| 03:54.00 | michael2 | so basically you would always want to have standard? |
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| 03:54.34 | somiaj | basically |
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| 03:55.02 | somiaj | there are some things you could do without, if you don't have wifi, you could do without the wifi stuff in standard. But it is only a small set of packages that I don't mind having the extra stuff there, even if I don't use it. |
| 03:55.13 | somiaj | but yes, in general you want every package standard and higher in priority. |
| 03:57.02 | michael2 | cool. im interested to see how much smaller my download size will be when running "standard" install of "gnome-desktop". last time "gnome-desktop" was 1GB. download. |
| 03:57.37 | somiaj | just make sure you uncheck desktop enviroment, as I think it is selected by default. |
| 03:58.09 | somiaj | and then after that I only install what I need. I just do it manually, but I haven't reinstalled my system in years, so a script woudln't help much |
| 03:58.22 | somiaj | but I too use a minimial system, though fvwm here isntaed of i3 |
| 03:58.34 | michael2 | I think last time installer broke. I had to run tasksel manually |
| 03:58.59 | michael2 | is fvwm going to work with wayland? |
| 03:59.45 | somiaj | no |
| 03:59.49 | somiaj | but I like xorg |
| 04:00.11 | somiaj | and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon, as there are things xorg does that waylend cant (its not a full replacement) |
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| 04:00.26 | michael2 | are we going to get a choice when buster comes out? or is it only wayland? |
| 04:01.15 | somiaj | debian will provdied a choice provided there are people to keep the xorg packages up to date, and since xorg does stuff waylend can't (since it is a server/client model, so ssh -X remotemachine command |
| 04:01.42 | somiaj | I highly doubt buster will not have xorg. |
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| 04:04.26 | michael2 | cool. Im off to get some food. thanks for help with removing firefox-esr and standard install setup :) talk to you later |
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| 04:37.03 | nezZario | Alright ... can I get just a hint here -- I just booted up a debian live CD. I have 2x SSDs sitting behind mdadm, on top of /dev/md0 is an LVM partition with, right now, one LVM partition ... I think it was myvol/root .. myvol/root has the actual ext partition. I'm trying to run fsck on it. I am going to have to setup mdadm and then use the lvm 'scan' to even be able to fsck aren't I? |
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| 04:46.58 | Project86__ | So if I have a user account on my debian machine, that is already part of certain addgroups and other stuff. Will the basic command to change user name also change all those things dependent on name? Or do I have to do something special? |
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| 04:48.52 | nezZario | Project86__: just check /etc/group |
| 04:49.13 | nezZario | The files themselves will update as they're based on uid and not the alphanumeric username |
| 04:50.04 | nezZario | You should be fine with just changing /etc/group and at worst renaming their home directory + updating that via 'vipw' + 'vipw -s' (maybe -S can't remember offhand) |
| 04:51.12 | nezZario | that's if it does not perform these things itself, i'm not sure what you mean by 'basic command', as iirc there are a few different tools that claim to be able to change a username |
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| 04:55.03 | Project86__ | nezZario: thank you. Kinda lost me with vipw stuff though. But you're saying change the name, and also the group name if needed? |
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| 05:11.52 | nezZario | Check 'man vipw'. It's just a tool for editing /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow (the s switch) a little bit more safely. But correct. It shouldn't be difficult to change a username |
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| 05:13.27 | nezZario | The name being 'vi' + 'pw'. If you don't like vi/m then set your EDITOR env. It doesn't have to be vi/m |
| 05:13.56 | somiaj | it might depend on how many things use the username vs the uid. So you may find you have other things to change (such as /etc/group if the user is a member of any groups) |
| 05:14.09 | somiaj | and there are many other things that use the username instead of the uid, all of these will have to be changed. |
| 05:14.21 | somiaj | (but how many really depends on your setup) |
| 05:14.41 | engys | somiaj: well I upgraded from jessie to stretch and now vm's working like they should but while upgrading mysql db's dit not get converted to mariadb |
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| 05:15.46 | engys | somewhere in between upgrading told me that it lost mysqld.sock |
| 05:16.50 | somiaj | engys: unsure on that. Might need to just repopulate the new databases from a mysqldump |
| 05:17.05 | somiaj | glad it worked. Did you try the jessie-backports first, or just went straight to stretch? |
| 05:18.02 | nezZario | The only thing I can really think of that would be common that you'd have to update aside from /etc/group passwd and shadow is email related stuff if there is a real mail setup on the local machine. Of course ymmv but just covering the common stuff. |
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| 05:21.09 | engys | somiaj: no just straight to stretch .. (after I have tested upgrading db stuff in a vm on archlinux which worked well .. but the same procedure does not work that well on the bare metal machine) |
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| 05:23.13 | engys | now I ask myself how I get a working mariadb database after the upgrade stopped in between upgrading mysql |
| 05:23.46 | somiaj | You still have the database files in /var/lib/mysql (or whever they are)? You might just be able to copy them over to miradb and just use them. |
| 05:24.12 | somiaj | the other option is to use a backup, and if you dn't have one, maybe create a jessie chroot, install mysql, get the database up, run mysqldump then import it into a new database. |
| 05:24.15 | engys | somiaj: yep |
| 05:24.36 | somiaj | just make sure mariadb is configured to use the same database format. |
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| 05:26.05 | engys | so what happen if I install mariadb-server manually .. does it automatically take the mysql files into account? |
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| 05:27.43 | somiaj | I don't know, unsure if it looks int eh same place for the databases as mysql, or if you have to copy them to a new place, like /var/lib/mariadb |
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| 05:29.34 | engys | I thought there is some script that do this stuff while upgrading |
| 05:29.57 | somiaj | there usually is, but in this case it sounds like it failed, so you have to manually do some stuff. |
| 05:30.19 | somiaj | but I don't really know, I'm mostly a desktop hobbiest, so haven't used mairadb or mysql in a long time. |
| 05:33.03 | engys | somiaj: one is for sure -> getting from Jessie to Stretch is not the first time far more complicated than every upgrade before! |
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| 05:42.25 | hejux | Hello, |
| 05:43.32 | hejux | my debian 9.4 server runs zsh, i just did apt uninstlal zsh && zsh-common, and now i can ssh into it, it says "Permission denied (publickey)." |
| 05:43.50 | hejux | I can't ssh into it |
| 05:44.11 | hejux | I believe the .ssh/au..._keys is still there, |
| 05:44.25 | hejux | how can i ssh into bash of the sever? it is possible? |
| 05:44.55 | somiaj | ssh -vvv foo, get some more output |
| 05:45.47 | somiaj | but yea, if it is authenticaion issues, maybe try a password instead of a key? Unsure how to debug this more if you dont' have access to the server. |
| 05:47.04 | nezZario | Omg somebody help. I had some severe file system corruption. fsck cleaned it up via live USB boot. But whenever I boot it says it can't find anything to boot from. Guessing I need to reinstall the boot loader. |
| 05:47.36 | nezZario | This is driving me crazy, apologies. But I'm really at a loss on how to proceed |
| 05:47.41 | engys | how to purge a package that aborted with post-istallation-script error 2 |
| 05:48.39 | engys | even dpkg --purge -force-all phpmyadmin does not work |
| 05:48.55 | engys | sry --force-all |
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| 05:50.23 | hejux | hi here is the ssh -vvv output : https://paste.debian.net/1023645 |
| 05:50.59 | hejux | sorry, i was thinking of apt uninstall tmux, but i did uninstlal zsh, and now i can't accesss the server. |
| 05:51.54 | engys | oh apt-get -f install worked =) |
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| 05:57.23 | hejux_ | finally i got it fixed |
| 05:57.32 | hejux_ | i reinstalled zsh back to the server |
| 05:57.49 | hejux_ | https://groups.google.com/d/msg/gce-discussion/FzTzy_ML_D8/ZOsCau39AAAJ |
| 05:58.13 | hejux_ | this helped me to recover the server when i can't do ssh |
| 05:58.33 | hejux_ | thanks for your helo guys! |
| 05:58.37 | jelly | hejux: log in as root from the console, then change your normal user's login shell |
| 05:58.52 | jelly | or that. |
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| 06:03.04 | hejux_ | there is no root user on Google Compute Engine |
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| 06:03.44 | hejux_ | well, theis are serial ports that i can login with passwd method, |
| 06:04.00 | hejux_ | that also does the job |
| 06:04.24 | jelly | it's impossible to have a debian (or really any unix) system without a root user. It's likely just no password is set |
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| 06:06.38 | hejux_ | you are correct |
| 06:06.38 | engys | somiaj: I got it! =) Thanks for taking care!!! apt-get -f install && /etc/init.d/mysql restart was all that was needed |
| 06:07.13 | hejux_ | it's just Google does not show any settings for root users. |
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| 06:27.06 | xet7 | How do I share 4G stick Internet with WLAN to other computers in Debian XFCE desktop? |
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| 06:27.36 | nezZario | Well nevermind I've just got to reinstall. Sigh. Brings me to my next question. What's a good consumer grade Ups that works well with Debian? |
| 06:28.20 | nezZario | xet7 you're going to need to turn your pc into a router basically. It's not trivial but not very hard. |
| 06:29.10 | nezZario | But afaik not something any gui is going to guide you through. |
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| 06:29.41 | xet7 | is there some step by step instructions somewhere? |
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| 06:30.10 | nezZario | Hm there is I'm sure let me see |
| 06:31.05 | nezZario | I take it your cell data device is physically attached to the Debian machine? And shows up as some networking device (ie in if config)? |
| 06:31.49 | nezZario | It should be pretty close to just sharing between two eth devices if so. |
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| 06:33.32 | daemonchild | I can't find the GRUB2 binary for sparc64 anywhere |
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| 06:37.40 | dgriffi | for doing an apt pin, I have the "Package: *foobar*" line. But... I want to allow an exception to this. I want to allow "libfoobar3" while otherwise pinning everything that matches "*foobar*" at -1. What's the proper way to do this? |
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| 06:43.26 | dgriffi | anyone awake? |
| 06:44.08 | jolt | dgriffi: Yes sir! |
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| 06:44.29 | jolt | 8:44 am in Sweden |
| 06:44.29 | dgriffi | jolt: can I do a regex in a "Package:" line when doing apt preferences? |
| 06:44.44 | dgriffi | I want to have an exception to banning everything having to do with systemd |
| 06:45.15 | jolt | dgriffi: Truly a good question. Never tried to be honest. I think you at some point would need to go the systemd route anyway, but that's another discussion :D |
| 06:45.44 | dgriffi | jolt: using systemd is out of the question. it's insecure, unstable, and hard to recover from when it goes wrong. |
| 06:46.10 | jolt | dgriffi: I think it's a slim chance it would work. But then I guess it's better to just list all systemdpackage, awk it in there and be done with it. |
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| 06:46.43 | dgriffi | jolt: I'm looking for this answer to improve an entry at http://without-systemd.org that leaves libsystemd0 installed but never upgraded. |
| 06:47.41 | dgriffi | jolt: or maybe you can answer this generically... how does one specify banning ALL packages matching a regex and specify a single exception? |
| 06:47.51 | jolt | I think it's just the extended family (like the apt command) that really understands regex. You could of course try with a simple package and see if that works |
| 06:48.09 | jolt | dgriffi: I've never had a reason to ban packages, so I can't even help with that. Sorry |
| 06:48.39 | jolt | Wait, I've done pinning, must be the same |
| 06:48.41 | dgriffi | jolt: the other approach I see is to stack entries... like first entry bans everything, then the second sets a pin priority of 500 for the specific exception. |
| 06:48.51 | jolt | And regex seems to work there |
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| 06:49.15 | dgriffi | I just tried that and it doesn't seem to work. here's what I did: https://pastebin.com/Cpx2FEet |
| 06:49.56 | bug | dgriffi, you've switched to another init already, like sysvinit? |
| 06:50.01 | dgriffi | bug: yes |
| 06:50.31 | dgriffi | it's this "1 not upgraded" thing that's the most visible part of the confusion I'm trying to mitigate. |
| 06:50.37 | jolt | dgriffi: Per the https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apt/apt_preferences.5.en.html only values between 0 and up seems to work, I would use 1001 |
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| 06:51.20 | dgriffi | jolt: that doesn't help. it appears that preferences entries don't stack like I expected. |
| 06:51.22 | jolt | So that it's always the same version, but not upgraded |
| 06:51.27 | dgriffi | right. |
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| 06:51.51 | dgriffi | I want just libsystemd0 to be upgraded and ban everything else matching *systemd* |
| 06:52.04 | dgriffi | because libsystemd0 cannot be removed at all |
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| 06:53.13 | jolt | But no garanties since I'm a noob regarding that. So -1 on /systemd/ and 1001 on libsystemd0 |
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| 06:53.49 | dgriffi | jolt: look at the pastebin I posted. It's not working. |
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| 06:58.21 | jolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.07 | jolt | dgriffi: So can't you just leave libsystemd0 as is (without pinning) since it's useless on it's own? |
| 06:59.44 | jolt | Or you just have to wait to someone with apt-pinning-fu wakes up |
| 07:00.16 | dgriffi | jolt: in theory, yes. in practice, I need to make sure it is updated because 1) I don't want an obscure bug in libsystemd0 to go unfixed and 2) not adding an exception results in mysterious "1 not upgraded" messages when doing "apt-get upgrade". |
| 07:00.53 | jolt | dgriffi: But it you don't pin it, wouldn't it be updated as usual? |
| 07:01.23 | dgriffi | jolt: that is not acceptable either, because the whole reason for the -1 pin is to make sure that no systemd components get installed by accident. |
| 07:01.46 | jolt | dgriffi: Yes, I say just pin systemd*, but not libsystemd0 |
| 07:01.58 | dgriffi | jolt: that's what I'm trying to figure out |
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| 07:07.45 | Rembo | hello everyone, i'm getting this: curl: (35) error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol |
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| 07:21.40 | dgriffi | jolt: so... got any ideas on how to do what you suggested? |
| 07:26.41 | jolt | dgriffi: Just pin systemd* with -1 and thats it. |
| 07:26.56 | jolt | dgriffi: No idea if that works though, but that is what the site you linked suggests |
| 07:27.35 | dgriffi | jolt: that's what the site suggests... but it's insufficient and I'm trying to figure out a better way to do it so I can submit a change for that page. |
| 07:27.55 | dgriffi | we just went around in circles until we arrived at you suggesting I do what I asked how to do. |
| 07:28.02 | jolt | dgriffi: Sorry, since I don't really do that stuff I can't assist you :/ |
| 07:28.22 | Psi-Jack | Is there a way to export a full list of installed packages in a way that can be easily re-installed, as part of a method to automate re-deployment/backup restoration? |
| 07:28.40 | jolt | Psi-Jack: dpkg --get-selections > ~/Package.list |
| 07:28.52 | jolt | Psi-Jack: https://gist.github.com/kozmonaut/10640727 |
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| 07:29.30 | jolt | Psi-Jack: For the automated installation though, thats depends on how automated it should be. You could also use that package list in a pre-seed if it's gonna be 100% automated |
| 07:30.32 | Psi-Jack | jolt: Well, ideally, fairly automated, eventually. As in, salt may be used to re-deploy a system fully, including a backup. |
| 07:30.34 | jolt | Psi-Jack: But it also depends on if you have a lot of configuration changes that are not part of the default, and how to apply those changes. Sometimes it might be doable with just diff'ing the files, or using ansible etc. Totally depends on the usecase |
| 07:31.40 | jolt | Psi-Jack: For that the dpkg-thingie is what I have used in the past. For automated installations these days I use a combination of automated installer with preseed, and package configuration/customization with ansible. That is what we use here at work. |
| 07:32.11 | Psi-Jack | What I'm doing is running a backup of minimal needed files via borgbackup, which usually contains /etc, possibly more depending on what's needed. Salt will take care to install the borg backup tools, and if a recovery file exists, will essentially replay it accordingly. |
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| 07:33.34 | jolt | Psi-Jack: Sounds like the dpkg method should work just fine then. |
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| 07:34.03 | Psi-Jack | jolt: Exactly. Fairly similar idea. I'm slowly working out creating a full deployment with salt, with the addition to restore a backup set, including data, packages, etc. |
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| 07:35.19 | Psi-Jack | With borgmatic, I thought some cool ideas with snapshotting current states of packages, and as you even added, apt keyring, etc. |
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| 07:35.49 | daemonchild | yo my dogs how do I install the "package" command. Asking for a friend |
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| 07:37.12 | Psi-Jack | Tell your "friend" to come and ask himself. |
| 07:37.56 | daemonchild | actually he was me |
| 07:38.01 | daemonchild | just making a joke |
| 07:38.25 | Psi-Jack | Well, ironically, "package" is in the mailagent package. :p |
| 07:39.01 | daemonchild | thank you sir |
| 07:39.13 | daemonchild | or xir |
| 07:39.18 | daemonchild | or whatever you are |
| 07:39.20 | Psi-Jack | Yea..no... |
| 07:39.27 | Psi-Jack | Preferred: English. |
| 07:39.44 | daemonchild | but desu xir is engerish nao |
| 07:40.02 | Psi-Jack | And now I'm just ignoring. :p |
| 07:40.11 | daemonchild | colon p |
| 07:40.23 | Psi-Jack | jolt: Thanks. Very helpful. :) |
| 07:41.09 | daemonchild | thanks tho for reals |
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| 07:45.05 | dgriffi | does anyone here know if/how regexes can be used in /etc/apt/preferences.d? |
| 07:45.12 | dgriffi | I can't seem to get it to work. |
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| 07:47.14 | Psi-Jack | jolt: Very nice, indeed. In my salt backup state, I just added pillar data to include running commands before backup, and after backup to basically store those Packages.list and Repo.keys into /etc/restore, and remove it after the backup is complete. :) |
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| 07:49.25 | themill | dgriffi: yes |
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| 07:55.05 | dgriffi | themill: I want to ban all packages matching *system* but allow libsystemd0. This regex: https://regex101.com/r/IdwfOb/3 passes the test there, but APT won't honor it. |
| 07:56.21 | themill | that's not an apt config file btw |
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| 07:58.36 | dgriffi | themill: more specifically, I want to put a regex on a "Package:" line in /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd |
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| 08:01.43 | themill | first of all, syntax matters, so if your regex isn't doing what you want, are you sure your config is actually right? Secondly, I doubt that sort of regex is supported. apt is not doing PCRE. This is also probably not the best way of doing it. |
| 08:02.51 | petn-randall | man apt_preferences says it should support posix extended regexes. |
| 08:02.56 | Psi-Jack | heh, "ban" al packages matching *system*? But.. Why? |
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| 08:03.21 | Psi-Jack | https://imgur.com/gallery/Br00TCn |
| 08:03.39 | dgriffi | Psi-Jack: because having apt-get report "1 package not updated" is causing problems. |
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| 08:04.00 | themill | fixing the wrong problem? |
| 08:04.04 | Psi-Jack | ^ |
| 08:04.08 | themill | I can't recall if zero-width negative lookaheads are in posix re. I doubt it. |
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| 08:06.11 | dgriffi | stacking preferences like this (https://pastebin.com/H60m8G03) didn't work either. |
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| 08:07.09 | jolt | dgriffi: did you try with the /systemd/ syntax (which seems to be like *systemd* per the man example)? |
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| 08:07.47 | dgriffi | jolt: in apt_preferences(5)? |
| 08:08.05 | jolt | dgriffi: yes |
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| 08:08.31 | jolt | dgriffi: https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apt/apt_preferences.5.en.html#Regular_expressions_and_glob%287%29_syntax |
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| 08:09.36 | Psi-Jack | Mmm nice. Yes, this is good. Backups that contain their own /etc/restore, since I'm pretty much always going to be backing up /etc. ;) |
| 08:10.18 | dgriffi | jolt: that last paragraph looks like it would validate my approach of doing two entries, but it doesn't actually work. |
| 08:11.36 | dgriffi | jolt: the second entry doesn't override anything |
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| 08:44.40 | Sepultura | is ifconfig still existent in new Debian? |
| 08:45.01 | dohfish | no |
| 08:45.06 | dohfish | can be installed though |
| 08:45.10 | dohfish | output is different |
| 08:45.19 | Sepultura | how to change IP in command line then? |
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| 08:46.42 | petn-randall | Sepultura: 'man ip' |
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| 08:48.05 | tdn | alkisg, few days ago you suggested I ran apt-cache rdepends libnette4. I just did. It gives me this: http://paste.yt/p6871.html |
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| 08:49.38 | themill | tdn: that failure looks unrelated. What does "apt-get -f install" want to do? |
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| 08:50.12 | alkisg | tdn: and can you remove those packages? E.g. libgnutls-deb0-28 doesn't exist in stretch. |
| 08:50.20 | tdn | themill, nothing. See: http://paste.yt/p6872.html |
| 08:50.27 | tdn | themill, the main problem is that I cannot install chromium |
| 08:50.53 | tdn | alkisg, apt purge libhogweed2 libgnutls-deb0-28 librtmp1 ? |
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| 08:51.17 | tdn | alkisg, that fails: http://paste.yt/p6873.html |
| 08:51.19 | alkisg | tdn: start with the first 2 ones, that don't exist in stretch |
| 08:51.33 | tdn | alkisg, fails with same error |
| 08:51.35 | themill | tdn: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy libkf5kcmutils5 libkf5quickaddons5 chromium libnettle4; apt-cache policy" for me? |
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| 08:52.08 | themill | there's no link between chromium and libkf5quickaddons5 either |
| 08:52.09 | tdn | themill, http://paste.yt/p6874.html |
| 08:52.25 | alkisg | Btw, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/librtmp1 doesn't depend on libnettle4 |
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| 08:52.37 | alkisg | Which version do you have of librtmp1? |
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| 08:53.34 | tdn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.08 | themill | ahh.. dmo packages ftl? |
| 08:54.19 | tdn | dmo? ftl? |
| 08:54.43 | themill | tdn: you have crappy packages from deb-multimedia.org there. |
| 08:55.04 | tdn | themill, I do not have any third party sources |
| 08:55.07 | themill | you did |
| 08:55.20 | alkisg | tdn, try apt install librtmp1=2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1 |
| 08:55.20 | petn-randall | The version number says so, though. |
| 08:55.22 | tdn | themill, I might have had some previously. Before debian 9 |
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| 08:55.35 | themill | tdn: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude search ~o" and "aptitude search ~U" plus what dpkg is about to ask for? |
| 08:55.36 | tdn | E: Version '2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1' for 'librtmp1' was not found |
| 08:55.37 | themill | !not available |
| 08:55.37 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 08:55.56 | alkisg | What's the output of apt policy librtmp1 ? |
| 08:56.26 | tdn | alkisg, http://paste.yt/p6875.html |
| 08:56.45 | alkisg | try apt install librtmp1=2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1 |
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| 08:57.25 | tdn | themill, http://paste.yt/p6876.html |
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| 08:57.51 | alkisg | That's a lot of packages there :) |
| 08:57.51 | tdn | themill, http://paste.yt/p6877.html |
| 08:58.11 | tdn | themill, aptitude search "~U" gives empty output |
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| 08:58.21 | tdn | alkisg, not sure what it means |
| 08:58.30 | alkisg | (11:56:45 Ïμ) alkisg: try apt install librtmp1=2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1 |
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| 08:59.18 | tdn | alkisg, that seems to work |
| 08:59.23 | tdn | alkisg, apt install chromium now. |
| 08:59.27 | alkisg | OK, go on with the next commands |
| 08:59.33 | themill | tdn: the packages in the output from aptitude search ~o are almost all ones you should have removed after upgrading to stretch. |
| 08:59.37 | alkisg | But you do need to clean up the broken packages |
| 08:59.44 | tdn | Is it generally recommended to use 'apt' instaed of aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 08:59.47 | alkisg | Otherwise you'll get the same problem in another installation |
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| 09:00.05 | alkisg | apt is the newer apt-get. aptitude is a different code base. |
| 09:00.16 | tdn | themill, I followed the debian upgrade guidelines. So strange I was not told to remove them |
| 09:00.19 | themill | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#for-next (§4.7, 4.8 fwiw) |
| 09:00.23 | alkisg | apt/apt-get are preferred; aptitude has better messages some times |
| 09:00.59 | tdn | themill, alkisg: which of the lists are the packages that I should remove? |
| 09:02.15 | alkisg | tdn: when I see installations with similar issues, I tell them to follow this procedure to revert to the repository versions: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=7370.0 |
| 09:02.16 | alkisg | Note that I mention Ubuntu there as most of my schools use Ubuntu, but it worked for me on Debian too. |
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| 09:02.24 | alkisg | You'll need google translate :) |
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| 09:04.36 | alkisg | So you create an apt preferences file, run apt dist-upgrade, then delete the file |
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| 09:13.22 | Sepultura | how to link -lboost_system statically? |
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| 09:17.03 | Elirips | Hello. How can I make apt-get tell me why a package is "kept back"? |
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| 09:17.34 | Elirips | If I currently do an 'apt-get upgrade', I see that ' linux-image-amd64' is kept-back, but why? |
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| 09:18.57 | Sepultura | how to add library to gcc compile? -l/usr/lib/.. ? |
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| 09:20.03 | antto | Sepultura -static maybe |
| 09:20.17 | petn-randall | !apt |
| 09:20.18 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 09:20.23 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 09:20.23 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:20.38 | petn-randall | Elirips: ^^^ Can you provide the whole output of the run in a paste? |
| 09:20.46 | themill | Elirips: quite probably you need to do a dist-upgrade (or use apt or aptitude rather than apt_ |
| 09:22.28 | FinalX | Packages that are held often have important questions for you that might break things if the answer is assumed, or otherwise possibly break things when installed automatically. |
| 09:22.49 | FinalX | That's why they're held until someone can keep an eye on the installation. |
| 09:23.12 | Elirips | petn-randall: see here: http://paste.debian.net/1023674/ |
| 09:23.13 | themill | well... it's more because the installation requires you to add or remove packages |
| 09:23.18 | FinalX | sure |
| 09:23.51 | petn-randall | Elirips: use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or 'apt upgrade' to do that. |
| 09:23.55 | Sepultura | antto when I make g++ tcpproxy_server.cpp -o tcparm -lpthread -lboost_system -static and try to start it it says segment fault |
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| 09:24.43 | Elirips | petn-randall: I was more wondering why it is held back. In the past, I did not need an explicit dist-upgrade for kernel updates, why now? |
| 09:24.49 | antto | Sepultura this is not really a debian question, is it? |
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| 09:25.09 | antto | run it thru GDB and see where it crashes |
| 09:25.11 | jim | hi... when a mysql server package is upgraded, does it dump the database from the old mysql instance and load it into the new instance? |
| 09:25.12 | Elirips | I think it is held back since that - what was it called - bug found in cpus that will expose memory content |
| 09:25.31 | Elirips | since spectre and meltdown |
| 09:25.43 | themill | Elirips: you've always needed a dist-ugprade to allow the upgrade install new packages and you get new kernel packages every time the kernel ABI changes |
| 09:25.59 | petn-randall | Elirips: This ^^^ |
| 09:26.00 | Sepultura | antto but many Debian users are coders |
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| 09:26.38 | jim | please hilite me in your response, and I'll check back in a few minutes |
| 09:26.43 | Elirips | ah, thank you. So, if I only get a new kernel that fixes some security update, but does not change ABI, there is no need for a dist-upgrade, but if ABI changes there is (?) |
| 09:26.50 | themill | yes |
| 09:26.55 | Elirips | thanks for the explanation |
| 09:27.14 | antto | Sepultura sure, but there are possibly better places to ask about this |
| 09:27.26 | themill | A dist-upgrade for a security upgrade tends to happen 2 or 3 times per year at most |
| 09:28.34 | Elirips | and was there an ABI change related to spectre / meltdown? or is that just by accident that I feel it is held back since then? |
| 09:28.52 | petn-randall | Elirips: the latter. |
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| 09:36.37 | Ingvix | I removed lightdm and now my device boots to "9 NUC tty1" view, NUC being my device name. I wish it to boot to command line. What to be do? |
| 09:37.32 | MrSlaughter1775 | I'm trying to make a bootable usb for Win10. I am currently downloading the .iso but am looking for a program to create live usbs. Any suggestions? |
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| 09:38.10 | Psi-Jack | ##windows? |
| 09:38.27 | petn-randall | MrSlaughter1775: Aren't those images already USB-bootable? Then you just need to run 'cp win10.iso /dev/sdx', with sdx being your USB device. |
| 09:39.06 | MrSlaughter1775 | I'm not sure. And I'm currently using a Debian box, so I would assume that this is the proper channel, Psi-Jack . |
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| 09:39.23 | Psi-Jack | Sure.. For Debian. |
| 09:39.52 | MrSlaughter1775 | How would the Windows channel point me in the direction for debian software packages? |
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| 09:41.03 | Psi-Jack | https://itsfoss.com/bootable-windows-usb-linux/ == Best I got for ya there. Though that's for Ubuntu based distros, but woeusb is what you'd be looking for. |
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| 09:42.00 | petn-randall | There's literally nothing needed to achieve that. Just cp it correctly and you're good. |
| 09:42.36 | MrSlaughter1775 | I don't know what cp is tbh with you petn-randall . I'm very new to Linux and am on deployment rn. This is kind of a time essential task. |
| 09:42.59 | Psi-Jack | Ugh, the English in this one. |
| 09:43.04 | Psi-Jack | cp == copy |
| 09:43.27 | MrSlaughter1775 | Thank you gentlemen. |
| 09:43.39 | Psi-Jack | But.. How that relates to making a bootable USB from an ISO... Well.... There's more to it than just putting an ISO onto a filesystem. :p |
| 09:43.57 | MrSlaughter1775 | Copying it to the usb isn't the same as making it bootable, I believe. |
| 09:44.03 | Psi-Jack | Precisely. |
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| 09:45.20 | Psi-Jack | Now you might be able to dd the ISO directly to the USB device. If it's a proper hybrid. That, I can't confirm nor deny, since.. Windows. I haven't, nor will I touch Windows in a very.... VERY long time. |
| 09:45.24 | slax0r | copying to /dev/sdX is not copying it to a filesystem, afaik |
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| 09:46.10 | slax0r | and can confirm that cp windows.iso /dev/sdX does in fact work, and the usb is also bootable if the iso is downloaded from the microsoft site |
| 09:46.45 | shtrb | slax0r, is it for the iso generated with their tool or the one you get if you visit the windows site from a Debian ? |
| 09:47.37 | petn-randall | !tias |
| 09:47.38 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 09:47.42 | slax0r | how does the browsing OS matter I don't know, but it was an windows install iso from their site |
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| 09:48.52 | jelly | MrSlaughter1775: bootable from cd/dvd or bootable from usb? |
| 09:48.52 | shtrb | petn-randall, I have that is why I ask (hint it failed) |
| 09:48.55 | dgriffi | !ff |
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| 09:49.05 | Ingvix | I installed lightdm succesfully back in case I did something wrong. How should I proceed to boot the device to command line rather than gui? |
| 09:49.09 | MrSlaughter1775 | slax0r, I got the iso from the microsoft website. |
| 09:49.18 | MrSlaughter1775 | So you are confirming that it is already bootable then? |
| 09:49.27 | shtrb | slax0r, one you is static (you really download an an iso from a link) the other is generated by an exe |
| 09:49.28 | slax0r | it should be |
| 09:49.32 | MrSlaughter1775 | jelly, Bootable from usb |
| 09:49.37 | MrSlaughter1775 | Is the goal at least. |
| 09:49.48 | jelly | MrSlaughter1775: if usb, use https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB |
| 09:50.01 | shtrb | MrSlaughter1775, open virtual box and "insert it to the cd" to verify |
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| 09:50.06 | slax0r | just, cp the iso on the device |
| 09:50.09 | slax0r | if that fails dd it |
| 09:50.26 | jelly | copying the .iso directly to usb won't work. Windows installers are apparently not hybrid images. |
| 09:50.58 | MrSlaughter1775 | Roger. Thanks for the help gentlemen. I'm still waiting for the download to finish atm. As I said, I'm deployed overseas and our wifi capabilities are not the greatest. |
| 09:51.10 | jelly | ,v winusb |
| 09:51.11 | judd | No package named 'winusb' was found in amd64. |
| 09:51.15 | jelly | ,v woeusb |
| 09:51.16 | judd | No package named 'woeusb' was found in amd64. |
| 09:51.36 | MrSlaughter1775 | Won't be done for 2 hours. I just wanted to know the next step in the process. I apologize for my lack of knowledge, but I am a Linux newbie. |
| 09:51.44 | jelly | okay, so neither the older tool or the newer one are packaged in debian |
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| 09:53.06 | jelly | if you're a newbie installing woeusb probably won't be easy either. packages for ubuntu may or may not work, and it will be better to use them from an ubuntu installation |
| 09:54.10 | MrSlaughter1775 | So, once I get the .iso, I could just use a friend's Win box and make it from there. I just wanted to do it myself so as not to bother anyone. |
| 09:54.27 | jelly | yes |
| 09:54.54 | MrSlaughter1775 | Thank you all. |
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| 10:01.58 | Emil | what's the difference between fuse and libfuse2 packages? |
| 10:03.01 | AimHere | fuse is the metapackage |
| 10:03.31 | AimHere | There might be, say, an upgrade to a new version of fuse, like libfuse3, and if that doesn't matter to you, just install fuse |
| 10:04.18 | AimHere | libfuse2 -> the fuse libraries; fuse -> all the dependencies needed for fuse. |
| 10:06.16 | cluelessperson | Emil: libraries tend to expose code bases and usable stuff to things that can use them. libfuse2 sounds like a technical name to specify an exact library. |
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| 10:06.29 | cluelessperson | Emil: "fuse" sounds like a human friendly name to just make it easy for installing |
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| 10:06.54 | Emil | ah yeah it was marked on dependencies |
| 10:06.58 | Emil | just missed it somehow |
| 10:07.01 | linuxconformer | why can i not access gdisk when i install it? |
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| 10:07.06 | linuxconformer | this keeps happening with packages |
| 10:07.10 | cluelessperson | what is gdisk |
| 10:07.15 | linuxconformer | i install them, but can't access them |
| 10:07.19 | cluelessperson | linuxconformer: access it where? |
| 10:07.21 | AimHere | linuxconformer, are you root? |
| 10:07.22 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: What happens if you try? |
| 10:07.27 | linuxconformer | from the terminal |
| 10:07.31 | linuxconformer | says command does not exist |
| 10:07.38 | linuxconformer | even though it is installed |
| 10:07.41 | cluelessperson | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.42 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: Are you root? |
| 10:07.43 | cluelessperson | find where it is |
| 10:07.43 | AimHere | linuxconformer, gdisk is a disk partitioning tool and it probably is in /usr/sbin, rather than /usr/bin |
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| 10:07.51 | AimHere | So be root, or sudo it |
| 10:07.51 | cluelessperson | ah, probably requires root |
| 10:07.56 | linuxconformer | oh ok |
| 10:08.01 | linuxconformer | thanks guys |
| 10:08.41 | Ingvix | I'm trying to add new mode for screen 0 with xrandr. What exactly am I suppose to type for <output>? "Screen 0" cannot be found |
| 10:09.20 | petn-randall | Ingvix: What is the exact command you're calling, and what is the output? â https://paste.debian.net |
| 10:09.42 | Ingvix | root@NUC:~# xrandr --addmode "Screen 0" 3840x2160_30.00 |
| 10:09.43 | Ingvix | xrandr: cannot find output "Screen 0" |
| 10:10.34 | Ingvix | petn-randall |
| 10:10.37 | petn-randall | Ingvix: Why are you adding screen resolutions by hand? |
| 10:10.58 | Ingvix | cause the mode doesn't exist for some reason |
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| 10:11.15 | petn-randall | Ingvix: Does your GPU support it? |
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| 10:11.37 | Ingvix | I don't know |
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| 10:11.47 | linuxconformer | any idea what's causing this error when i try to mount a partition? "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/vdb, missing codepage or helper program, or other error" |
| 10:12.07 | Ingvix | it supports the resolution, yes, if that's what you're asking |
| 10:12.12 | linuxconformer | i've formatted it using gdisk |
| 10:12.17 | linuxconformer | (using all the defaults) |
| 10:12.27 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: gdisk partitions, have you created partitions? |
| 10:12.39 | linuxconformer | petn-randall: yeah, it has a vdb1 partition |
| 10:12.58 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: Try mounting the partition then. |
| 10:13.07 | Ingvix | my terminal just defaults the resolution to 4k though the TV is only 3840x2160 |
| 10:13.14 | linuxconformer | petn-randall: i'm saying that's what i did, but it gives that error i just listed |
| 10:13.15 | sugarfree | hello |
| 10:13.40 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: Then please always provide the exact command you're using, including output. |
| 10:14.09 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: Because your error message says you're trying to mount vdb, not vdb1. |
| 10:14.29 | linuxconformer | petn-randall: "sudo mount /dev/vdb1 /mnt/store" gives output -> "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/vdb, missing codepage or helper program, or other error" |
| 10:14.43 | Ingvix | and therefore I cannot see everything as resolution goes out of bounds |
| 10:14.55 | petn-randall | Ingvix: If you run 'xrandr', the device name should be 'DP1' or something else. |
| 10:15.13 | sugarfree | @linuxconformer: paste here output of: fdisk -l /dev/vdb |
| 10:15.23 | petn-randall | Ingvix: 'Screen 0' is the virtual screen, not a physical one. |
| 10:15.33 | Ingvix | oh |
| 10:15.53 | linuxconformer | sugarfree: /dev/vdb1 2048 209715166 209713119 100G Linux filesystem |
| 10:15.54 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: Exact copy + paste to https://paste.debian.net please. |
| 10:15.59 | Ingvix | how do I select the physical one when I'm on ssh? |
| 10:16.22 | petn-randall | Ingvix: As I said, run 'xrandr', it'll output you the device names.. |
| 10:16.33 | Ingvix | it outputs only the virtual one |
| 10:17.18 | sugarfree | linuxconformer: please copy paste all the ouput of fdisk -l /dev/vdb |
| 10:17.37 | petn-randall | Ingvix: So you don't have any physical devices connected? |
| 10:17.52 | petn-randall | Ingvix: Otherwise paste the complete output to https://paste.debian.net |
| 10:18.20 | Ingvix | The tv is connected to the device |
| 10:18.51 | Ingvix | https://gist.github.com/b4d2e22cceb0eec84baae9b0dca347b2 |
| 10:18.52 | linuxconformer | sugarfree: http://paste.debian.net/1023682/ |
| 10:19.12 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: You're still missing the command + output in your paste. |
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| 10:20.18 | linuxconformer | petn-randall: the fdisk command? |
| 10:20.29 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: Your mount command + output. |
| 10:21.57 | linuxconformer | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/1023683/ |
| 10:22.04 | Ingvix | okay, never mind that problem |
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| 10:22.37 | petn-randall | Ingvix: What was the issue? |
| 10:22.54 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: Did you copy/paste that directly? |
| 10:23.06 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: I'm asking because the command and the output don't match. |
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| 10:23.46 | Ingvix | I followed this http://ask.xmodulo.com/boot-into-command-line-ubuntu-debian.html and my device boots to terminal screen where there's "9 NUC tty1" |
| 10:23.59 | Ingvix | and nothing else |
| 10:23.59 | linuxconformer | petn-randall: sorry, should say /dev/vdb1 in the OUTPUT section |
| 10:24.51 | Ingvix | so I wonder how do I get it to boot to command line |
| 10:26.10 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: See, we just wasted over 10 minutes on that. Pleas always copy/paste the stuff, "it's roughly that output" is not good enough. |
| 10:26.19 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: Did you make a filesystem on it yet? |
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| 10:28.21 | linuxconformer | petn-randall: yeah, i used gdisk, selected the "n" option and used all the defaults, then wrote and exited |
| 10:29.20 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: gdisk doesn't create filesystems, it creates partitions. |
| 10:29.38 | sugarfree | @linuxconformer: please copy paste the output of the command included the command itself |
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| 10:33.24 | petn-randall | linuxconformer: Can you provide the output of 'blkid' run as root? |
| 10:33.48 | Ingvix | okay, let's get back to the first problem. I took out extra keyboard and plugged it to the server of mine which is connected to the tv. Typing xrandr there gives me "Can't open display." |
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| 10:35.52 | petn-randall | Ingvix: Are you running an X server on there? |
| 10:36.42 | Ingvix | I'm guessing not |
| 10:36.59 | Ingvix | as I disabled gui |
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| 10:37.26 | Ingvix | do I need to use some other tool to change command line resolution? |
| 10:37.33 | Ingvix | or start it |
| 10:37.41 | Ingvix | xserver, that is |
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| 10:39.04 | petn-randall | Ingvix: xrandr is a tool to manipulate the X server. |
| 10:39.26 | Ingvix | I'm aware of that. So how do I change the command line resolution? |
| 10:39.26 | petn-randall | Ingvix: the kernel should be able to determine the screen size itself, but setting that is completely different. |
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| 10:39.57 | Ingvix | for some reason the tv allows 4k resolution though it doesn't have that large screen |
| 10:40.47 | petn-randall | Ingvix: That's not uncommon. So they can brag about it in the advertisement, even though the screen resolution isn't that high. |
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| 10:42.48 | Ingvix | so how should I proceed to change the resolution? |
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| 10:44.39 | petn-randall | Ingvix: What OS release are you running? |
| 10:44.47 | Ingvix | debian 9 |
| 10:45.04 | petn-randall | And what kind of HW? |
| 10:45.31 | Ingvix | NUC5i5RYH |
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| 10:45.34 | Ingvix | intel |
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| 11:19.02 | ardevd | Could anyone tell me how I'm supposed to ping domain names containing national characters (IDN)? |
| 11:19.10 | ardevd | It works fine in Fedora but fails in Debian |
| 11:19.24 | ardevd | giving me a "Parameter string not correctly encoded" error |
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| 11:22.46 | BCMM | ardevd: any chance it could be an issue with the terminal emulator's support for those characters? |
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| 11:23.24 | ardevd | BCMM: I doubt it. Because the equivalent standard-character-only version of that domain doesnt resolve either |
| 11:23.32 | ardevd | everything works fine in Fedora and Arch Linux, but not in Debian |
| 11:23.56 | jelly | ardevd: which domain are we talking about? |
| 11:24.04 | BCMM | ardevd: hmm... does it work with other stuff, e.g. curl if that domain has a webserver? |
| 11:24.23 | BCMM | ardevd: if the problem is specific to ping, check which ping implementation you're using on each distro |
| 11:24.51 | BCMM | iirc debian has more than one package providing ping |
| 11:24.55 | jelly | glibc resolver's gethostbyname() does not do punycode decoding |
| 11:25.41 | ardevd | jelly: any way around it? |
| 11:25.50 | jelly | ardevd: can you provide the actual command line and its complete output |
| 11:26.00 | ardevd | example: elkjøp.no / xn--elkjp-yua.no |
| 11:26.06 | jelly | workaround? Decode it manually |
| 11:26.19 | ardevd | ping: xn--elkjp-yua.no: Parameter string not correctly encoded |
| 11:26.43 | manticorpus | Hi, I got two question about kernel index (of network interface). First one : What is the maximum value ? And what will appends when this value is reached ? Second one : Can we configure this maximum value = |
| 11:27.02 | jelly | ardevd: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which ping)) |
| 11:27.07 | jelly | wfm |
| 11:27.17 | jelly | [13:26] ~ => ping xn--elkjp-yua.no |
| 11:27.18 | jelly | PING elkjøp.no (217.28.192.35) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 11:27.43 | jelly | on debian 9 |
| 11:27.46 | ardevd | jelly: that's weird |
| 11:27.48 | ardevd | iputils-ping: /bin/ping |
| 11:28.01 | ardevd | 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:28.20 | jelly | mine's the same |
| 11:28.28 | jelly | ii iputils-ping:amd64 3:20161105-1 amd64 Tools to test the reachability of network hosts |
| 11:28.40 | jelly | ardevd: dpkg -l iputils-ping |
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| 11:29.45 | ardevd | iputils-ping 3:20161105-1 |
| 11:29.48 | ardevd | weird! |
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| 11:30.13 | BCMM | ardevd: you you sure that host actually returns pings? |
| 11:30.29 | ardevd | BCMM: works fine when I ping from non-debian hosts |
| 11:30.48 | BCMM | ardevd: i can't ping ping elkjop.no either |
| 11:31.01 | BCMM | (which is the domain it redirects to, on http) |
| 11:31.21 | jelly | ardevd: and if you do "/bin/ping xn--elkjp-yua.no" |
| 11:31.23 | BCMM | (and resolves to the same ipv4 address) |
| 11:31.31 | ardevd | BCMM: elkjøp.no was just an example. If you try to ping it you wont get any responses but you do resolve the domain |
| 11:31.43 | jelly | BCMM: we're debugging name resoultion, not icmp |
| 11:31.53 | ardevd | BCMM: but in my case I just get a "Parameter string not correctly encoded"-error |
| 11:32.18 | ardevd | jelly: same error |
| 11:32.30 | BCMM | ardevd: oh sorry, i missed the bit about "Parameter string not correctly encoded" earlier |
| 11:32.38 | jelly | ardevd: okay. Now, what about "LC_ALL=C ping xn--elkjp-yua.no" |
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| 11:33.06 | jelly | ardevd: and compare to "LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 ping xn--elkjp-yua.no" |
| 11:33.25 | ardevd | jelly: that did it. The latter one worked |
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| 11:33.59 | ardevd | Nice catch! |
| 11:34.06 | BCMM | doesn't debian try to get you on to a utf8 locale during installation? |
| 11:34.12 | jelly | ardevd: so ping kind of wants to decode the name but it can't do some part of that when running in 7-bit ascii locale (C) |
| 11:35.00 | jelly | I'd call that a bug, either in ping or in libidn |
| 11:35.54 | ardevd | jelly: hmm, interesting. Why is it using C though. In /etc/default/locale I have LANG="en_US.UTF-8" defined |
| 11:36.13 | manticorpus | \join #linux |
| 11:36.16 | jelly | if you want you can switch global locale to C.UTF-8 I guess |
| 11:36.19 | jelly | !locale |
| 11:36.19 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
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| 11:37.32 | ardevd | jelly: is that what you've done then since it worked OOTB for you? |
| 11:37.37 | jelly | !locales |
| 11:37.37 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 11:38.02 | jelly | ardevd: I already have a (different) UTF-8 capable locale set |
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| 11:50.25 | rdz | hey all |
| 11:50.41 | noodlepie | Heyza rdz!! :P |
| 11:50.57 | rdz | We had two hosts (yet) that came up without network after reboot after unattended_upgrades |
| 11:51.21 | rdz | when i check the status of networking service, it says it is not running |
| 11:51.30 | rdz | nic is listed, but not configured |
| 11:51.46 | rdz | how comes that systemd does not start networking.service after reboot? |
| 11:51.55 | rdz | lo is present and configured |
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| 11:52.45 | petn-randall | rdz: Sounds like it failed coming up? |
| 11:52.52 | petn-randall | rdz: check the logs of the systemd unit. |
| 11:53.35 | rdz | petn-randall, if it would have failed, it would say so, but it just says 'not loaded' |
| 11:53.36 | petn-randall | rdz: actually, can you paste the complete output of 'systemctl status networking' and 'journalctl -u networking'? |
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| 11:54.15 | jelly | rdz: can you figure out whether the interfaces have the same name as on previous boot? |
| 11:54.41 | rdz | jelly, yes they have |
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| 11:54.59 | rdz | on one host, i just did 'systemd start networking' and everything was fine |
| 11:55.08 | rdz | but then i was unable to figure out the reason for it |
| 11:55.44 | rdz | on the current host, i'm sure this would help as well, but i would like to first investigate the reason |
| 11:56.00 | fakefur | hi guys - how can i get to the channel for debian testing issues? my laptop just started hanging after "started user manager" |
| 11:56.09 | rdz | but i cannot copy console text right now, so i can't currently paste any output |
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| 11:56.29 | petn-randall | !pastebinit |
| 11:56.29 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 11:56.32 | petn-randall | rdz: ^^^ |
| 11:56.47 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 11:56.48 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:56.54 | jelly | fakefur: ^ note different irc server |
| 11:57.05 | rdz | petn-randall, good to know, but i would have to start networking in order to be able to install the pacakge |
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| 11:57.08 | fakefur | jelly thanks |
| 11:57.10 | fakefur | notes |
| 11:57.12 | fakefur | d |
| 11:57.16 | noodlepie | uses wgetpaste -c 'commnad' for pastebin |
| 11:57.27 | rdz | petn-randall, 'journalctl -u networking.service' says: --- no entries ---- |
| 11:57.41 | rdz | the service hasn't simply been started since last reboot |
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| 11:59.08 | petn-randall | rdz: Ok. What about the other command? |
| 11:59.31 | rdz | nevermind, i did 'systemctl start networking' and the interface is configured now |
| 11:59.53 | rdz | i wanted to test, whether the service still works.. and it does |
| 11:59.56 | petn-randall | ⦠|
| 12:00.08 | rdz | so the problem really is that it doesn't get started after boot |
| 12:00.55 | Rembo | hello everyone, i'm getting this on my debian 9 server: curl: (35) error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol can someonehelp? |
| 12:01.37 | petn-randall | Rembo: You get that error doing what? |
| 12:01.41 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 12:01.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:01.44 | petn-randall | Rembo: ^^^ |
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| 12:03.18 | Rembo | petn-randall: https://hastebin.com/uxegokabow.rb |
| 12:04.16 | rdz | petn-randall, i can't get back the original outout of 'systemctl status networking.service' since the service is running now, but it said: Loaded: loaded \n Active: inactive |
| 12:04.28 | rdz | it was certainly not 'failed' |
| 12:05.12 | rdz | i was curious to hear if others had similar issues.. but i don't know how common it is to use unattended_upgrades with automatic reboot |
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| 12:06.12 | petn-randall | rdz: Can you paste the output anyway? |
| 12:07.13 | petn-randall | Rembo: And you're trying to configure that domain right now? |
| 12:09.46 | petn-randall | *the webserver for that domain |
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| 12:10.58 | fakefur | how can i even try to repair my system if it hangs during the boot process? |
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| 12:12.54 | petn-randall | fakefur: You could boot into single user mode and try to fix it from there. |
| 12:13.11 | petn-randall | Oh |
| 12:13.17 | petn-randall | !tell fakefur -about crosspost |
| 12:14.15 | fakefur | sorry |
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| 12:18.40 | rdz | petn-randall, |
| 12:18.56 | rdz | sorry... that was a pre-mature <enter> |
| 12:19.21 | rdz | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/1023696/ http://paste.debian.net/1023695/ |
| 12:21.32 | cef | !cve-2018-1108 |
| 12:21.32 | dpkg | methinks cve-2018-1108 is a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot time, which delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. This can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login (depending on setup). Short term workaround: Wiggle your mouse (introduces entropy) to shorten the delay. |
| 12:21.46 | cef | fakefur: ^^ |
| 12:22.42 | cef | fakefur: not sure if that is what is causing your system to hang, but worth noting. |
| 12:23.01 | jolt | Nice, because all of our servers have mouses and people to wiggle those! :D |
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| 12:23.15 | petn-randall | rdz: It seems to be enabled, so it seems to be an issue we can only figure out after reboot. |
| 12:24.01 | petn-randall | cef: fakefur is already getting support in #debian-next, hence the crosspost factoid. |
| 12:25.46 | cef | jolt: yeah exactly.. they'll boot, they just sit doing nothing for a while. they'll get entropy over the network tho, esp if you ping them. |
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| 12:26.55 | noodlepie | has lemonade! |
| 12:27.06 | fakefur | cef thanks |
| 12:27.13 | fakefur | petn-randall noted and sorry |
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| 12:31.30 | rdz | petn-randall, thanks for checking.. |
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| 12:31.55 | rdz | that's the thing: i'm unable to spot anything unusual, but still it happened twice |
| 12:32.23 | rdz | i am rebooting now.... just to see, if it is reproducible |
| 12:32.53 | rdz | it's not.. consecutive reboots are fine.... |
| 12:32.53 | petn-randall | rdz: Yes, that's what I would have recommended. |
| 12:33.12 | petn-randall | rdz: Maybe it fails if it doesn't get a DHCP lease? |
| 12:33.21 | rdz | i wonder now how much i can trust unattended-upgrdeas |
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| 12:33.34 | rdz | it's pretty uncomfortable not knowing what cause this |
| 12:33.49 | rdz | petn-randall, good point... one machine has static ip and dns entry |
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| 12:34.03 | rdz | so i can rule out this as a cause |
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| 13:15.50 | engys | I try to reactivate vbox shared folders with stretch backport packages on guest system but it does not turn out as expected? Any suggestions? |
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| 13:22.10 | engys | well I can live without vbox shared |
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| 13:22.42 | petn-randall | engys: "does not turn out as expected" is quite vague. What are you seeing exactly? |
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| 13:27.57 | engys | petn-randall: while booting I get a message: gaveup waiting for suspend/remove device |
| 13:28.42 | engys | it look like some mounting problem |
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| 13:29.09 | tw | do you have a swapfile in the shared folder? |
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| 13:31.24 | nifker13 | Im using an RX 460 with mesa and amdgpu but I dont seem to get more than glsl 1.30 (im on debian 9) but Ive got OpenGL 4.3 support - glxinfo | grep OpenGL: https://paste.dismail.de/?9f0b88435c385ad8#yzt4+2PQmfKKMgU7r66RMe3QMAC+AbyE4lDcJOMEW6M= |
| 13:31.35 | nifker13 | any way to get glsl 3.30 or higher support? |
| 13:32.14 | engys | petn-randall, tw: sry the shared folder get mounted .. I did not look into the right location |
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| 13:33.33 | engys | this suspend/remove device msg must be something else |
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| 13:35.57 | nifker13 | noone?? |
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| 13:37.35 | engys | petn-randall, tw: was my mistake after losing guest addition because they are only in backports I need to readd the user to the group vboxsf |
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| 13:41.53 | nifker13 | ok got it |
| 13:41.57 | nifker13 | thanks for nothing |
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| 14:01.43 | lroe | I am trying to backport ethtool 4.15 from sid. I am following: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#How_do_I_backport_a_sid_package_to_testing_or_stable.3F but for some reason it keeps building the version in stretch |
| 14:02.07 | greycat | ,checkbackport ethtool |
| 14:02.08 | judd | Backporting package ethtool in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
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| 14:02.37 | greycat | If it's building the stretch version, then it sounds like you have a stretch deb-src line instead of a sid deb-src line. |
| 14:02.42 | greycat | Or you didn't run apt-get update. |
| 14:02.48 | lroe | I have both and I did run update |
| 14:03.11 | themill | Be explicit in telling apt which source to download |
| 14:03.21 | lroe | I tried using -t unstable |
| 14:03.34 | themill | you'd need the package=version syntax |
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| 14:04.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | i have a question about the apache2 package -- who/what determines what gets backported? |
| 14:04.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | https://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=1787525 |
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| 14:05.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's a fix in 2.4.26 for a bug that was introduced in 2.4.0, but i don't think it's getting backported in debian. |
| 14:06.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | would i have better luck complaining on oftc? |
| 14:06.23 | greycat | What's the bug? Is there a debian BTS number for it? Is it a security bug? |
| 14:06.29 | greycat | Is there a CVE for it? |
| 14:06.45 | themill | also s/complaining/requesting/ |
| 14:07.09 | lroe | themill, so I'm missing something: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/046c6221/ |
| 14:07.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's not a security bug, but it is a breaking change. that's why i'm asking what the criteria for backports are. |
| 14:07.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | security only? |
| 14:07.50 | greycat | The svn link seems to say that this is a new feature. |
| 14:08.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | exactly. it's a new feature that exposes an option to revert to the original behavior. |
| 14:08.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | context: 2.4.0 unexpectedly introduced a change in the date format output by mod_autoindex (which is what generates directory indexes when there's no index.html) |
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| 14:08.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | 2.4.26 introduced a new feature: an option that exposes the ability to revert to the original date format used prior to 2.4.0 |
| 14:09.00 | themill | "unexpected" doesn't look like the word for it |
| 14:09.14 | greycat | Why do you want to use the older date format? |
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| 14:09.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | compatibility. |
| 14:09.35 | greycat | With what? |
| 14:09.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | we have clients downstream that are parsing our directory indexes. |
| 14:09.51 | themill | I'd be very surprised if that got added to a stable release particularly when it was also not in oldstable |
| 14:09.54 | themill | lroe: you need the exact version 1:4.15-1 |
| 14:11.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | so really, the fix being exposed as a new option means it's technically a 'new feature', not a 'bugfix'. but an optional bugfix exposed as a new feature is still, at least in my use case, a bugfix :P |
| 14:11.27 | greycat | It's not a "fix". It's a new option. |
| 14:11.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | it optionally fixes a breaking change that was introduced in 2.4.0. |
| 14:12.13 | greycat | The brokenness is in people parsing autoindex date formats for any reason. |
| 14:12.15 | themill | NoImNotNineVolt: there would have been a case for that sort of compatibility 5 years ago, but I'm not sure there is now. You can ask the maintainer but I'd be very surprised. |
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| 14:12.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | greycat: i don't disagree with you there :P |
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| 14:13.03 | greycat | (But if they're *going* to parse date formats, then they need to be able to parse them in the format that's actually been in use for the last X years.) |
| 14:13.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | we're trying to upgrade from an ancient apache. |
| 14:13.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | while minimizing downstream impact. |
| 14:14.34 | themill | And that downstream hasn't fixed their parser in 6 year? |
| 14:14.36 | themill | s |
| 14:14.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | downstream's sole data source is our ancient apache. |
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| 14:15.19 | themill | time to learn strptime |
| 14:16.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm leaning towards third party repo with 2.4.33 |
| 14:16.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | but i don't like third party repos :( |
| 14:17.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | was holding out some small sliver of hope that i could lobby for this 'feature' being considered a 'bugfix' on the grounds that it's literally an optional bugfix. |
| 14:17.25 | greycat | ,checkbackport apache2 |
| 14:17.26 | judd | Backporting package apache2 in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libapr1-dev (>= 1.6.0), libaprutil1-dev (>= 1.6.0). |
| 14:17.30 | greycat | fun. |
| 14:17.38 | themill | As I said, you can request it. It's unlikely to be acceptable to the release team or the maintainer. |
| 14:17.38 | lroe | I am trying to enable nbase-T support on a network in linux. Using ethtool it looks like the 2.5gbit and 5gbit modes aren't enabled. I am using ethtool like so but I get "Cannot set new settings: Operation not supported": ethtool -s enp4s0f1 advertise 0x1800000001028 |
| 14:17.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | what's the mechanism for doing that? |
| 14:17.51 | lroe | network card* |
| 14:18.07 | themill | NoImNotNineVolt: fixing the date parser would be easier and probably a better thing to do in the long run |
| 14:18.10 | themill | dpkg: tell NoImNotNineVolt about reportbug |
| 14:18.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | themill: i don't know how many clients are parsing our dates downstream. i only know it's more than 0. lots of duplicated effort if we go down that path. |
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| 14:18.46 | themill | NoImNotNineVolt: severity is wishlist... (normally only severity important and higher is fixed in stable releases) |
| 14:19.05 | themill | Anyone who is parsing "%d-%b-%Y %H:%M" gets what they deserve. |
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| 14:20.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | yea, i'll just go with the third party repo then :P |
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| 14:32.12 | shtrb | NoImNotNineVolt, Can you try to open a bug with an exact patch how to fix and then contact the team ? |
| 14:32.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | i was considering it, but the bugreport process has local dependencies that are unmet over here :P |
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| 14:33.37 | greycat | You can always manually send an email, formatted properly. |
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| 14:36.04 | themill | It can't be that much of an issue if installing a couple of python modules is too hard. |
| 14:37.08 | shtrb | NoImNotNineVolt, do you have an issue with setting up reportbug ? |
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| 14:37.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | shtrb: yes. i don't have a compatible os handy. |
| 14:38.09 | shtrb | just use the BTS over email |
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| 15:11.49 | mefistofeles | hey, I'm trying to install/configure fail2ban in a debian stretch lxc container and I'm getting ERROR No file(s) found for glob /var/log/auth.log , any ideas why this may be? |
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| 15:12.07 | mefistofeles | the file does not exist |
| 15:12.16 | petn-randall | mefistofeles: And that is your problem. |
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| 15:12.21 | mefistofeles | petn-randall: ¿ |
| 15:12.22 | mefistofeles | ? |
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| 15:12.49 | greycat | Did you try creating it? With the same owner/group/perms as on a real Debian box? |
| 15:12.49 | petn-randall | mefistofeles: Well, you haven't configured it at all. |
| 15:12.50 | shtrb | mefistofeles, touch it ? |
| 15:13.12 | mefistofeles | greycat: I don't have a real debian box |
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| 15:13.18 | mefistofeles | petn-randall: how to configure? |
| 15:13.21 | mefistofeles | shtrb: I haven't tried that |
| 15:13.28 | greycat | And if your sshd stuff isn't being logged there, where the hell *IS* it being logged |
| 15:14.04 | mefistofeles | I'm getting a lot of issues with systemd services not starting in this container |
| 15:14.08 | mefistofeles | that may be it |
| 15:14.14 | shtrb | greycat, syslog normally |
| 15:14.35 | greycat | Right, and in a default config, rsyslogd would be writing it there. |
| 15:17.24 | mefistofeles | ok, for some reason just restarting the container did the trick |
| 15:17.26 | mefistofeles | thanks for the hlep |
| 15:17.27 | mefistofeles | help* |
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| 15:18.22 | shtrb | mefistofeles, with or without commiting the changes ? |
| 15:18.42 | mefistofeles | shtrb: just restarting it, nothing else |
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| 15:33.06 | cusco | hello |
| 15:33.40 | cusco | drive mounted in /home is failing, so I put a new drive and mounted it on /mnt/home |
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| 15:36.17 | petn-randall | Hi cusco, so what question do you have? |
| 15:36.21 | cusco | ok.. nevermind, -x will not cross file system boundaries |
| 15:36.42 | cusco | I was wondering if I could mount the drive twice, as /home has other stuff mounted inside it |
| 15:37.04 | petn-randall | cusco: You can mount block devices several times, yes. |
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| 15:37.23 | cusco | err.. I was trying that, said it was already mounted |
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| 15:38.11 | greycat | if the goal is to copy the failing /home into the new /mnt/home without also copying the sub-mounts, then -x (in various tools) is what you want |
| 15:38.11 | tw | you are probably looking for mount -o bind |
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| 15:38.34 | cusco | tw I'm not because inside /home there is other filesystems like /home/drive1 etc |
| 15:38.46 | cusco | greycat: yes thank you, that will do |
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| 15:39.07 | greycat | sub-mounts in /home are quite unusual, though... not sure this is how you should be doing whatever you're doing |
| 15:39.07 | tw | but you don't want to mount -o bind /home/drive1 /mnt/home/drive1 ? |
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| 15:39.35 | tw | Avoiding copying across filesystem boundaries is your best bet here, then. |
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| 15:43.13 | shtrb | cusco, mount --bind src dst ? |
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| 15:49.27 | petn-randall | cusco: Btw, how is it failing? If you already have bad blocks, just cp'ing it over might not be the best option. |
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| 15:51.36 | cusco | petn-randall: "Device: /dev/sdf [SAT], 141 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors" I guess these are bad blocks. |
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| 15:51.53 | cusco | I'm using rsync, but no worries, this is a backup storage. So backups will be synched tonight |
| 15:52.12 | cusco | but I am curious, how would you recommend copying the existing data? |
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| 15:52.52 | jelly | cusco: depends on how much block space is used and how many files there are. |
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| 15:54.01 | RoyK | cusco: 141 pending sectors seems to me like a typical dying drive - backup immediately unless it's part of a raid |
| 15:54.02 | shtrb | unomunt . ddrescue and work on the backed up data |
| 15:54.24 | RoyK | cusco: is this drive part of a raid? |
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| 15:54.29 | jelly | cusco: if it's more than 60% full or there are millions of files or millions of hardlinks, copying the whole blockdev (with ddrescue or dd_rescue) will by easier and perhaps faster. OTOH doing a file-based copy will reveal exactly which files are affected right away. |
| 15:55.13 | shtrb | but if the drive is on it's final days it is better backup immediately |
| 15:55.33 | RoyK | cusco: anyway - don't write to this thing - if the filesystem is mounted, mount -o remount,ro /dev/sdf |
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| 15:55.51 | jelly | the number of pending sectors is a clue but not a definite sign a disk is dying soon, IME. tracking said number over time and if it's been rising lately is a better clue |
| 15:55.52 | RoyK | shtrb: so not in a raid, ey? |
| 15:56.37 | RoyK | shtrb: what sort of drive? |
| 15:56.42 | RoyK | shtrb: large one? |
| 15:56.53 | shtrb | he didn't say it is , I'm assuming the worst possible outcome (also raid0 is going to be fun ) |
| 15:57.17 | RoyK | "fun" as in prathett's "interesting times" |
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| 15:59.19 | cusco | jelly: 1.1T used out of 1.8T. even if I find ot now wich files it did not copy, they will be re-syched during tonights backup. It is not critical |
| 15:59.30 | cusco | RoyK: got it |
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| 16:00.08 | jelly | cusco: if you have logs of last night backup run it might show which files were unreadable |
| 16:00.11 | MrSlaughter1775 | Need to format a usb drive. Must be currently a fat32 because anything more than 4gbs won't allow me to copy to the usb (although it is a 32 gb flash) |
| 16:00.14 | RoyK | cusco: please use a raid of sorts (not raid-0) with that amount of data - that is - unless the data is worthless or you have a good data *and* can sustain downtime for a week or three |
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| 16:00.25 | MrSlaughter1775 | I'm not very good with Linux and am lost. |
| 16:00.37 | RoyK | MrSlaughter1775: iirc fat32 doesn't support > 2TB |
| 16:00.43 | jelly | MrSlaughter1775: what's the destination OS? |
| 16:00.46 | shtrb | MrSlaughter1775, join the club |
| 16:00.52 | cusco | RoyK: we've got servers with raid. this is not critical. :) thank you |
| 16:00.55 | MrSlaughter1775 | Destination is Win10 |
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| 16:01.01 | MrSlaughter1775 | 4.6gb I believe |
| 16:01.09 | jelly | MrSlaughter1775: and how large is your iso image? |
| 16:01.12 | MrSlaughter1775 | I have it, but can't transfer it over. |
| 16:01.15 | MrSlaughter1775 | jelly, 4.6gb |
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| 16:01.33 | MrSlaughter1775 | 4.7* |
| 16:01.34 | RoyK | wonders if that should be TB, not GB |
| 16:01.34 | jelly | MrSlaughter1775: split it into two files and join it on thewindows side with copy /s |
| 16:01.37 | cusco | jelly: I guess I could, but can't be bothered with it. logs of rsync -v are kept |
| 16:01.38 | shtrb | MrSlaughter1775, format it on linux and not windows or resize manually (gparted/parttion manager ) etc |
| 16:01.53 | jelly | no need to reformat to ntfs then |
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| 16:02.59 | jelly | MrSlaughter1775: use split command on linux to slice into chunks of, say, 3 billion bytes to avoid 4GiB fat32 limit. |
| 16:03.15 | shtrb | strike that out, I'm a noob and did not read your problem correctly ignore my comment |
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| 16:04.02 | jelly | MrSlaughter1775: alternatively, reformat the drive on Windows to NTFS, for optimum compability, you should be able to mount it on linux too |
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| 16:04.54 | MrSlaughter1775 | Thanks, I'll just do the latter option, jelly |
| 16:05.33 | jelly | RoyK: their (interim) goal is transfering a 4.6GB image to a windows machine and they're hitting the file size limit (2**32-1 B), not the filesystem size limit |
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| 16:11.27 | jelly | MrSlaughter1775: unrelated, if your linux has the right wifi card, and if your policy allows it, you might be able to provide a wifi hotspot for other nearby machines |
| 16:12.45 | jelly | or it might be a huge security issue |
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| 16:14.29 | MrSlaughter1775 | Well this is a personal thing. |
| 16:14.39 | MrSlaughter1775 | Unrelated to work. |
| 16:15.26 | MrSlaughter1775 | No worries; My buddy just started the format via "Disk Management" on his Windows box. |
| 16:16.17 | MrSlaughter1775 | I feel like a failure for giving up on Linux...I enjoy learning it, but it limits me in a lot of other areas, primarily gaming and graphic work. |
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| 16:16.36 | MrSlaughter1775 | Perhaps I'll dual boot this time. |
| 16:17.04 | jelly | dual boot is a pain, have a linux VM |
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| 16:18.03 | shtrb | You can also use WSL |
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| 16:18.34 | shtrb | hides before the everyone will get their pitchforks |
| 16:18.40 | MrSlaughter1775 | Ah, VMs should work fine as well. I'll look into Virtual Box more when I get the time. |
| 16:18.46 | MrSlaughter1775 | What is that? shtrb |
| 16:18.59 | shtrb | WSL windows Subsystem for linux |
| 16:19.14 | shtrb | Gnu Debian/NT |
| 16:19.56 | shtrb | MrSlaughter1775, https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/debian-gnu-linux/9msvkqc78pk6 <- This |
| 16:20.08 | Satou | Hello, I have a question about installing Go from backports in Stretch. I've installed the golang-1.10* packages, but I cannot run go from the terminal. Why is this? (installing from the common repositories works ok, but I need a higher version of Go) |
| 16:20.24 | jelly | Satou: how does it fail? |
| 16:20.30 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:20.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:20.53 | r3 | I had no idea that existed, shtrb |
| 16:21.48 | shtrb | strap an X server on windows 10 , and show it to RMS |
| 16:21.59 | Satou | jelly, it says go: command not found (running Stretch 9.4) |
| 16:22.03 | shtrb | (xming) |
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| 16:22.50 | jelly | ,file usr/bin/go --release stretch-backports |
| 16:22.51 | judd | Search for usr/bin/go in stretch-backports/amd64: gccgo-go: usr/bin/go; golang-go: usr/bin/go |
| 16:23.03 | shtrb | r3, but there is no special mirror for Windows in debian.org |
| 16:23.04 | jelly | Satou: is package golang-go installed? |
| 16:23.21 | shtrb | r3, I wonder how people would react if someone wuold report bugs from it |
| 16:24.04 | Satou | it is jelly, golang-1.10-go/ along with golang-1.10, golang-1.10-doc and golang-1.10-src |
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| 16:24.27 | jelly | shtrb: it's basically just a different kernel, the userspace is unchanged. Filing bugs for userspace shouldn't be a problem |
| 16:25.18 | shtrb | jelly, it's also a different X . but could you imagine reading bugs from windows 10 machines ? |
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| 16:25.39 | jelly | Satou: neither of those are called "golang-go". If that one is not installed, install it. |
| 16:25.48 | jelly | s/neither/none/ |
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| 16:26.02 | Satou | jelly, It is installed, I said golan-go is installed along with some other packages. |
| 16:26.13 | jelly | that's not what you said. |
| 16:26.54 | jelly | Satou: so please verify again, if possible. What does last line of "dpkg -l golang-go" output say? |
| 16:27.08 | Satou | jelly, Isn't golang-go = golang-1.10-10 ? |
| 16:27.18 | jelly | no. |
| 16:27.42 | Satou | jelly, Sorry then. Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 16:27.43 | jelly | packages with different names are different packages. |
| 16:28.03 | jelly | Satou: so it's not installed. Install it. |
| 16:28.22 | Satou | jelly, doing apt-get install golang-go will ask me to install golang-1.7-go golang-1.7-src golang-src |
| 16:28.52 | jelly | install the version from stretch-backports if that's what you're after |
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| 16:29.39 | Satou | ah now it works, and now I feel sort of retarded, thanks jelly |
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| 16:31.01 | jelly | Satou: just be careful reading and following instructions, the devil is in the details |
| 16:32.03 | Satou | thanks jelly, this is the first time I've added the backports on this install, do you have any advice for me with installing things from backports? |
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| 16:32.55 | jelly | apart from the default instructions? Avoid installing more from *-backports than you absolutely need to |
| 16:33.47 | jelly | these builds exist to satisfy a need but they're not as extensively tested nor are they patched regularly for security issues |
| 16:34.28 | jelly | which reminds me |
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| 16:34.52 | jelly | ,checkbackport sssd --fromrelease=stretch --torelease=wheezy |
| 16:35.36 | judd | Backporting package sssd in stretchâwheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libkrb5-dev (>= 1.12), libnss-wrapper, libsystemd-dev [linux-any], libuid-wrapper. |
| 16:35.50 | jelly | yeah that won't happen |
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| 16:50.30 | asarch | One stupid question: my friend is from Japan and I would like to lend my PC so she can use it. Currently, the system has only one language (en_US) enable it and I would like to add the Japanese support. Is there any tool a la tasksel to do this so the system would be like if Japanese was the language used from installation? |
| 16:51.03 | greycat | 1) dpkg-reconfigure locales; add the Japanese locale(s). 2) Install Japanese fonts. |
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| 16:51.07 | litb | hello all |
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| 16:51.31 | litb | programs don't seem to use debugging symbols of my libraries (libc, libpthread), because they don't use the debug symbol directory /usr/lib/debug |
| 16:51.48 | litb | how can I teach them that they use this directory? do i need to add something in /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| 16:51.50 | shtrb | asarch, you also need the i18n packages for your DE |
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| 16:52.10 | RoyK | greycat: or perhaps apt install locales-all |
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| 16:52.41 | asarch | What are the name of the Japanese fonts greycat? |
| 16:53.04 | litb | i'm using the perf sched map program and it doesn't appear to use them |
| 16:53.26 | greycat | All I know how to do is "apt-cache search font japan". Good luck. |
| 16:54.08 | asarch | Thank you |
| 16:54.16 | asarch | Thank you very much guys :-) |
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| 16:59.57 | ChasticFy | hey good evening guys |
| 17:00.49 | MrSlaughter1775 | So I formatted my usb to NTFS. I then tried to copy my iso to it, however I learned that it was only given read permission for whatever reason. How can I make it read/write? |
| 17:01.27 | ChasticFy | is there some one out here that can help me with installing drivers for tp-wn823n on debian stretch |
| 17:01.50 | greycat | !ntfs rw |
| 17:01.51 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 17:03.32 | MrSlaughter1775 | I've tried Thank you |
| 17:03.39 | MrSlaughter1775 | Thank you* |
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| 17:04.11 | annadane | is there any news about the intel-microcode which addresses the latest vulnerabilities making its way to stable from backports? |
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| 17:05.23 | shtrb | They didn't even share the CVE fully |
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| 17:05.34 | shtrb | (the last week quartet) |
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| 17:09.52 | ChasticFy | is there any change to get the tp-wn823n to work in debian |
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| 17:18.05 | shtrb | ChasticFy, explain |
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| 17:20.23 | pragomer | trying to mount a hfsplus ext hdd rw: although using mount -t hfsplus -o force,rw its always mounted readonly. hfsplus, hfsprogs,hfsutils are installed. |
| 17:20.27 | pragomer | what could be wrong? |
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| 17:20.52 | shtrb | tail -f /var/log/syslog could have info |
| 17:21.12 | shtrb | ChasticFy, you wish to run debian on that device or to connect it ? |
| 17:21.38 | greycat | shtrb: I googled it... it seems to be a USB wireless adapter |
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| 17:22.08 | shtrb | which you can connect to it (or to plug the device into your system ) |
| 17:22.10 | pragomer | oh it seems it wasnt clear detached on osx |
| 17:22.24 | pragomer | so fsck.hfsplus did the trick |
| 17:22.44 | shtrb | greycat he may need the driver (from TpLink but maybe there is a GPLed one too) |
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| 17:23.47 | shtrb | ChasticFy, you might be good with rtl8192cu |
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| 17:25.26 | shtrb | ChasticFy, my first hit would be installing firmware-realtek |
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| 17:25.58 | ChasticFy | how do i msg someone in here with like that color |
| 17:26.19 | ChasticFy | pretty new still in irc |
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| 17:26.40 | shtrb | Do you mean when you mention someone's name ? |
| 17:26.44 | ChasticFy | okey nice i will try that |
| 17:26.45 | ChasticFy | yes |
| 17:27.30 | greycat | What you're seeing is your client highlighting your own name in other people's messages. They didn't do anything special. All they did was type (or tab complete) your name. |
| 17:27.49 | ChasticFy | okey |
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| 17:28.12 | ChasticFy | shtrb thnx for all the help i will try it hope it will work |
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| 17:30.37 | ChasticFy | sorry for all the trouble but thnx a lott for all the help maybe one of the drivers will work |
| 17:32.15 | ChasticFy | oh yeah the tp-link driver dos not work i think i tried it but it dos not do anything for my systems still fails to authezation |
| 17:32.15 | shtrb | just apt-get install the firmware plug it again and tell us what happen |
| 17:32.33 | shtrb | but uninstall the Tp-Link ones |
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| 17:32.39 | ChasticFy | okey but what firmware |
| 17:32.46 | ChasticFy | oh okey that i will do |
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| 17:33.02 | greycat | 13:25 shtrb> ChasticFy, my first hit would be installing firmware-realtek |
| 17:33.17 | greycat | You may have to enable the non-free repositories. |
| 17:33.34 | ChasticFy | thats cool i think its already on |
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| 17:34.13 | shtrb | uninstall Tp-Link software (if already installed ) |
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| 17:34.53 | ChasticFy | okey have to look up how to do that first but will give it a try dit not do it yet so i may have some real luck here |
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| 17:49.04 | beak_ | Hello, does anyone here use Debian with a polaris AMD graphics card? |
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| 17:50.18 | annadane | beak_, what's your specific question? "anyone" is generally vague |
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| 17:50.41 | beak_ | annadane, Any debian users |
| 17:50.49 | greycat | !anyone |
| 17:50.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 17:51.09 | beak_ | No debian users have a polaris graphics card |
| 17:51.15 | beak_ | got it |
| 17:51.27 | annadane | i mean, are you asking if it works with debian? are you having problems with the card? |
| 17:51.53 | annadane | !next |
| 17:51.53 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 17:52.27 | greycat | He is the worst employee in the AMD marketing research division. |
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| 17:53.32 | shtrb | lol |
| 17:55.38 | ChasticFy | shtrb its already the newest driver so don't know what to do know and also iam unable to remove the drivers that i installed in my kali machine i will go to my debian and try it there |
| 17:55.55 | ChasticFy | debian stretch |
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| 17:56.46 | shtrb | can you give us the output of lsusb and sudo dmesg | tail -n 5 after plugging the device ? |
| 17:56.51 | shtrb | but paste in a paste site |
| 17:56.52 | shtrb | !paste |
| 17:56.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:40.20 | dionysus69 | plasmashell and kded5 are using lots of cpu :\ |
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| 18:40.27 | dionysus69 | anyone know anything about this? |
| 18:41.58 | petn-randall | dionysus69: on stable? |
| 18:42.03 | dionysus69 | yes |
| 18:42.20 | dionysus69 | pretty much fresh install |
| 18:43.18 | shtrb | dionysus69, #kde ? |
| 18:43.30 | dionysus69 | ok sounds good, didnt know about that channel |
| 18:43.35 | dionysus69 | just switched from gnome |
| 18:43.36 | shtrb | and #plasma |
| 18:43.49 | shtrb | any plasmoids setup ? |
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| 18:44.05 | shtrb | did you configure akonadi and put a calendar ? |
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| 18:44.51 | dionysus69 | i uninstalled akonadi mysql and installed akonadi postgresqqql |
| 18:45.11 | shtrb | but is there any data inside it ? |
| 18:45.16 | dionysus69 | inside what |
| 18:45.20 | dionysus69 | I dont even know what akonadi is |
| 18:45.31 | dionysus69 | but actually, the weird thing happened |
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| 18:45.44 | shtrb | did you setup any akonadi resources (you said you installed postgresql ) |
| 18:45.48 | dionysus69 | I removed mysql/mariadb packages 2 days ago and now I see mysqld runnin |
| 18:46.13 | dionysus69 | I installed akonadi-postgresql package because I removed akonadi-mysql |
| 18:46.51 | dionysus69 | I just removed mysql-common package now and killed mysqld |
| 18:47.00 | shtrb | why ? |
| 18:47.06 | dionysus69 | why what? |
| 18:47.13 | shtrb | Why do you change the db backend |
| 18:47.24 | dionysus69 | because I am using postgresql as a web dev |
| 18:47.33 | dionysus69 | I dont need extra daemon running |
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| 18:47.45 | dionysus69 | for KDE to preinstall mysqld, it's actually rude :D |
| 18:47.47 | shtrb | akonadi uses mysql per user instance |
| 18:48.09 | greycat | It's a desktop environment. It's supposed to be bloated and incomprehensible. |
| 18:48.10 | dionysus69 | well that means mysql is a hardwired dependency for KDE? |
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| 18:48.46 | dionysus69 | dunno, I am just going to reboot one second maybe pc load calms down |
| 18:48.48 | dionysus69 | brb |
| 18:49.38 | shtrb | greycat, the akonadi-* can be removed if the users like too |
| 18:49.58 | ziGuy | Hi saviours... debian 8.6. i replacef driver in /lib/firmware in latest. rebooted. interface is up but dhcp client can't get ip address. other devices in network can |
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| 18:50.26 | greycat | ziGuy: ... so, put it back the way it was before? |
| 18:50.36 | ziGuy | in the GUI, i can't see any network it finds. even after returning previous driver i still can't connect |
| 18:51.06 | harindu | check dmesg for error messages |
| 18:51.19 | ziGuy | no error except ipv6 which is not interesting |
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| 18:51.27 | ziGuy | not in /var/log/messeges\ |
| 18:51.35 | dionysus69 | well, I rebooted |
| 18:51.44 | dionysus69 | how do I check if akonadi or whatever it is, works :D |
| 18:51.56 | shtrb | dionysus69, ps aux | grep akonadi |
| 18:52.09 | shtrb | does it work ok-ish now ? |
| 18:52.25 | dionysus69 | ok there is akonadi process |
| 18:52.33 | dionysus69 | also the cpu load is gone |
| 18:52.39 | shtrb | akonadictl stop |
| 18:52.42 | shtrb | and do your tests |
| 18:52.54 | shtrb | it could be that a migration was working (for any reason ) |
| 18:52.56 | dionysus69 | but it started misbehaving after a day of uptime |
| 18:53.08 | dionysus69 | what tests? |
| 18:53.11 | shtrb | do you have any resources configured ? |
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| 18:53.21 | dionysus69 | no what resources do you mean? |
| 18:53.43 | shtrb | akonadi resource (account on server we-take-your-data-and-give-you-service.com ) |
| 18:53.55 | shtrb | contacts, email , sync etc |
| 18:54.01 | krushik | you may also try `sudo apt install akonadiconsole` and then launch akonadiconsole app: it will show you the current status of akonadi services |
| 18:54.17 | ziGuy | i commented eth0 but it's still shown. what else can controll the interfaces? |
| 18:54.18 | dionysus69 | oh I just opened up calendar and it said akonadi is not operational |
| 18:54.23 | shtrb | if debug is enabled it will crash his system |
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| 18:54.43 | shtrb | dionysus69, calendar is using akonadi |
| 18:54.52 | ziGuy | nmtui |
| 18:54.54 | shtrb | did you setup some plugins or sources |
| 18:55.11 | dionysus69 | hmm I just added couple sources, like sublime |
| 18:55.22 | shtrb | and that is the source of your issues |
| 18:55.24 | dionysus69 | nothing special, I just have stable with contrib non-free |
| 18:55.34 | ziGuy | what?! nmtui finds networks, how is it possible? |
| 18:55.39 | dionysus69 | wait how can sublime be the problem |
| 18:56.14 | shtrb | dionysus69, if you have sublime as a calendar source it could be the source of akonadi being slow |
| 18:56.20 | dionysus69 | I am weird kde user ok? I use thunderbird for everything calendar mail irc, I am just typing it in thunderbird :D |
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| 18:56.27 | dionysus69 | so I dont really care for kde random apps |
| 18:56.35 | shtrb | so nuke them |
| 18:56.56 | dionysus69 | sublime as a calendar? i dont know what that means :D I am talking about the text editor sublime 3 |
| 18:57.14 | shtrb | When I asked about sources, I mean calendar sources |
| 18:57.16 | dionysus69 | I will just try to remove kmail |
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| 18:57.57 | dionysus69 | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required |
| 18:58.01 | dionysus69 | there are like 50 packages |
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| 18:58.17 | dionysus69 | The following packages will be REMOVED: kde-standard kmail task-kde-desktop |
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| 18:58.40 | dionysus69 | seems like OS is committing suicide because I decided to uninstal a mail client |
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| 19:00.22 | shtrb | you can drop kdepim-runtime kmail libkf5akonadiprivate5abi1 akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-backend-sqlite akonadi-backend-postgresql akonadi-backend-postgresql akonadi-backend-postgresql akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-backend-mysql |
| 19:00.30 | shtrb | kde is not the entire os |
| 19:00.43 | greycat | removing task-kde-desktop and kde-standard is harmless |
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| 19:01.17 | dionysus69 | and what about the rest of 50 orphaned packages |
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| 19:01.27 | dionysus69 | the moment I use autoremove I may not be able to boot :D |
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| 19:02.20 | dionysus69 | one of those packages is and lol this is true (John Oliver): xorg |
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| 19:02.44 | shtrb | try installing kde-plasma-desktop (that is the minimal kde experience ) , and checking after that |
| 19:03.04 | dionysus69 | you mean apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop right? |
| 19:03.04 | shtrb | who needs xorg anyway |
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| 19:03.29 | dionysus69 | hmm still same ~50 packages |
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| 19:03.48 | shtrb | can you paste what it suggest on a paste site ? |
| 19:04.50 | dionysus69 | https://pastebin.com/yCddERVc |
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| 19:07.27 | dionysus69 | so, is there a salvation for a casual kde user? :D |
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| 19:08.11 | greycat | I'd say that "casual" kde users don't remove or replace parts of kde. |
| 19:09.40 | ziGuy | i still need help if anyone can... something is conflict here with the network and i'mn not sure what |
| 19:09.50 | dionysus69 | thunderbird is just better than kde apps |
| 19:09.52 | dionysus69 | what can I do |
| 19:10.08 | shtrb | install the minimal package and remove the non needed packages |
| 19:10.35 | dionysus69 | how do i install minimal package? I just installed kde using tasksel |
| 19:11.12 | shtrb | dpkg set package as manually installed |
| 19:11.13 | dpkg | shtrb: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 19:11.47 | dionysus69 | to do that, I would just have to just apt-get install those packages names |
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| 19:12.01 | dionysus69 | right? |
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| 19:19.09 | krushik | hi. I have a local debmirror for stretch without `--getcontents` (doesn't include "Contents" indices), and it works great for all but 1 of my servers. on that server I get the following error during apt-get update:Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:19.09 | krushik | E: Failed to fetch https://mirror.ps/debian-updates/dists/stretch-updates/main/Contents-i386 404 Not Found |
| 19:19.09 | krushik | E: Failed to fetch https://mirror.ps/debian/dists/stretch/main/Contents-i386 404 Not Found |
| 19:19.09 | krushik | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 19:19.13 | krushik | why the hell does apt-get downloads Contents-* on this server, but not on the others? |
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| 19:20.33 | dionysus69 | shtrb: when I try to uninstall akonadi backend postgresql, it suggests to install everything mysql again |
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| 19:20.41 | dionysus69 | can I remove akonadi-server package? |
| 19:21.00 | greycat | I'm sure it's possible. |
| 19:21.09 | shtrb | yes, (if you intened to get rid of PIM) |
| 19:21.27 | krushik | dionysus69: yes, you can remove kdepim-runtime and akonadi-server |
| 19:21.27 | shtrb | but to be sure there is also debian-kde@oftc |
| 19:21.56 | dionysus69 | hmm i am in into kde and plasma channels too :D |
| 19:22.01 | dionysus69 | but since you helped :D |
| 19:22.34 | shtrb | debian-kde is the channel where the DD that handle kde hang |
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| 19:24.01 | dionysus69 | hmm ? |
| 19:24.05 | dionysus69 | didnt get that :D |
| 19:24.27 | shtrb | #debian-kde on oftc network |
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| 19:26.41 | dionysus69 | so what's the full address of oftc? |
| 19:26.48 | greycat | !oftc |
| 19:26.48 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 19:27.10 | dionysus69 | i used to be in a debian unstable channel there |
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| 19:34.54 | krushik | I have a local debmirror for stretch without `--getcontents` (doesn't include "Contents" indices), and it works great for all but 1 of my servers. on that server I get '/main/Contents-i386 404 Not Found' during apt-get update: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/03aab445/ |
| 19:34.56 | krushik | why does apt-get downloads Contents-* on this server, but not on the others and how to disable this feature? |
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| 19:58.11 | dionysus69 | can I delete these ? libkf5akonadinotes5 |
| 19:58.16 | dionysus69 | packages like this |
| 19:58.32 | dionysus69 | for example, libkf5akonadisearchcore5 |
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| 19:59.39 | SlidingHorn | dionysus69: I believe the testing/unstable channel there is #debian-next |
| 19:59.43 | SlidingHorn | dont know if there's one here |
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| 20:00.08 | dionysus69 | there's one here what? |
| 20:00.18 | SlidingHorn | dionysus69: a #debian-next channel |
| 20:00.29 | dionysus69 | yes it's on oftc I know about it |
| 20:00.36 | dionysus69 | but I am on stable :) |
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| 20:00.43 | dionysus69 | had problems with testing kernel |
| 20:00.52 | Bushmaster | hi folks, I just installed Debian 64 bit, version 9 but i need help with updating |
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| 20:01.23 | SlidingHorn | Bushmaster: what are you trying to update? |
| 20:02.03 | shtrb | debian-kde@oftc ! |
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| 20:02.13 | Bushmaster | SlidingHorn, thanks for your kind approach, well let me pastebin you the source list and we will take it from there okay |
| 20:03.10 | SlidingHorn | Bushmaster: fair warning, if it's a 3rd party repo, it won't be supported here :/ |
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| 20:07.00 | Bushmaster | SlidingHorn, i installed it from Debian website |
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| 20:08.09 | SlidingHorn | Bushmaster: I'm not aware of a method of installing from the debian website... |
| 20:08.10 | Bushmaster | SlidingHorn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tCQdrbgfxp/ |
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| 20:08.38 | shtrb | !ubuntu |
| 20:08.38 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 20:09.02 | Bushmaster | hey dpkg we chatted before |
| 20:09.09 | Bushmaster | can you help me please dpkg |
| 20:09.30 | SlidingHorn | Bushmaster: dpkg is a bot. What is the software you're trying to update |
| 20:09.52 | Bushmaster | well, SlidingHorn did you check my source list |
| 20:10.07 | SlidingHorn | Bushmaster: yes...that doesn't answer my question |
| 20:10.32 | Bushmaster | I will wait for someone else |
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| 20:10.59 | SlidingHorn | Bushmaster: No one will be able to help you if you can't answer simple questions like "what are you trying to update" |
| 20:11.13 | nkuttler | ^^++ |
| 20:11.27 | Bushmaster | SlidingHorn, I do not like you forget it |
| 20:11.37 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:11.59 | nkuttler | !smart questions |
| 20:12.00 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 20:12.16 | SlidingHorn | goes about his day then |
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| 20:15.20 | shtrb | Bushmaster, remove cdrom entry from your sources list |
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| 20:15.34 | shtrb | and do apt-get update |
| 20:15.48 | Bushmaster | hi shtrb |
| 20:15.57 | Bushmaster | we spoken before I think |
| 20:16.14 | shtrb | We have ? I do not know |
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| 20:17.30 | Bushmaster | shtrb, you want me to erase them two lines form the source list? |
| 20:17.43 | shtrb | that or add a '#' before them |
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| 20:18.15 | Bushmaster | right okay shtrb i will add # now |
| 20:18.54 | Bushmaster | shtrb, what about this one deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stretch main |
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| 20:19.04 | Bushmaster | do we not need to change it shtrb |
| 20:19.27 | shtrb | that one is ok-ish |
| 20:20.04 | Bushmaster | shtrb, i need perfect repostiotry |
| 20:20.21 | Bushmaster | also i want to post you something shtrb hold on okay |
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| 20:23.49 | Bushmaster | shtrb, https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#debian-ubuntu |
| 20:24.20 | Bushmaster | i tried to add this into source list and then apt-get update but it wont work shtrb |
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| 20:24.57 | shtrb | qgis is not debian repo |
| 20:25.04 | Bushmaster | shtrb, I am after 2.18 Las Plasmas version of QGIS software |
| 20:25.27 | shtrb | just use good old debian sources |
| 20:25.28 | Bushmaster | shtrb, can I install that version |
| 20:25.47 | shtrb | I'm not QSIG user , I have no idea |
| 20:26.22 | Bushmaster | shtrb, did you check the last link |
| 20:26.46 | shtrb | does you link have deb.debian.org in it ? |
| 20:26.49 | SlidingHorn | Bushmaster: That version (from the qgis repository) is not supported here. there is a supported version of qgis in the repository. sudo apt install qgis |
| 20:26.59 | shtrb | ,v qsig |
| 20:27.00 | judd | No package named 'qsig' was found in amd64. |
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| 20:27.06 | shtrb | ,v qgis |
| 20:27.07 | judd | Package: qgis on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7.4+1.7.5~20120320-1.1+b1; jessie: 2.4.0-1+b1; jessie-backports: 2.14.11+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.14.11+dfsg-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.18.18+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 2.18.19+dfsg-1; sid: 2.18.19+dfsg-1 |
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| 20:28.27 | Bushmaster | well the version debian provide is old and it wont do addon that i need |
| 20:28.54 | shtrb | maybe slap will have it |
| 20:28.59 | Bushmaster | qgis site explicity mention i can add that link into souce list |
| 20:29.12 | SlidingHorn | Bushmaster: then you'll have to go to a version from a 3rd party, which, again, will not be supported here |
| 20:29.39 | shtrb | and you could later ask for help from them when stuff does not work as debian says it should work |
| 20:30.39 | shtrb | sorry for being rude, but you are aksing for trouble if you use a private repo which is not clone from standard debian |
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| 20:31.07 | Bushmaster | shtrb, QGIS work fine with debian |
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| 20:31.13 | theseb | LVM question.....lvmdiskscan shows /dev/sdb1 but I know how to use lvresize -L 80G --resizefs ??? because it doesn't accept /dev/sdb1 for ??? |
| 20:31.15 | Bushmaster | you just do not know that's all |
| 20:31.30 | Bushmaster | i will sort it out, not too worry |
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| 20:31.49 | shtrb | Bushmaster, I didn't say it not, but if that package pull something or break something it will be more hassle to undo |
| 20:32.06 | SlidingHorn | Bushmaster: For versions outside of the official repository, you'll have to seek support from its maintainers. |
| 20:33.41 | shtrb | Bushmaster, qGIS is not even on snapcraft.io ( which provide some sandboxing ) they can try to backport it to debian |
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| 21:04.47 | theseb | gparted and fdisk -l say /dev/sda1 is 80Gb but when I do "df -h" is says the old 15Gb size from before I resized it in gparted..why? |
| 21:05.08 | theseb | (using LVM) |
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| 21:05.26 | SlidingHorn | theseb: are you using ubuntu or debian? |
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| 21:06.34 | bites | because df reports filesystem size and sda1 is a partition. if you increase its size you have to then increase the size of the lvm physical volume, then the size of the logical volume, then the size of the filesystem. |
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| 21:08.21 | theseb | SlidingHorn: ubuntu |
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| 21:08.58 | SlidingHorn | theseb: this is the debian support channel...it's frowned upon to cross post in both channels, especially when you're not using the supported OS |
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| 21:09.27 | theseb | SlidingHorn: sorry, the fact is ubuntu folks aren't as smart as debian folks :/ |
| 21:10.00 | SlidingHorn | theseb: many of the same people are in both channels...if you have ubuntu questions, you should keep them to #ubuntu |
| 21:10.01 | theseb | bites: which did gparted resize then? |
| 21:10.15 | theseb | SlidingHorn: ok...well this really is a low level lvm question only |
| 21:10.23 | SlidingHorn | ...in ubuntu. |
| 21:10.29 | SlidingHorn | !ubuntu |
| 21:10.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 21:11.49 | annadane | i believe bites answered it, in any event |
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| 21:25.00 | dijong | hi, i'm trying to boot Debian i just installed with the default full-disk encryption LUKS setup on a Libreboot x200. I boot into GRUB (not debian grub, the one that's burned into my BIOS) and run "cryptomount -a" and thinks work fine, then I do "set root=(lvm/dijong--vg-root)" (which autocompletes). then I tried running this linux line but it didn't work: |
| 21:25.04 | dijong | the linux line is "linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/dijong--vg-root cryptdevice=/dev/mapper/dijong--vg-root:root". but when I run that I get "error: file `/vmlinuz' not found." even though /vmlinuz shows up if I do GRUB ls. how can I debug / fix this? |
| 21:27.02 | dijong | also /vmlinuz shows up in tab autocomplete on that line, so I don't think it's a "set root" issue. i have the default lvm/luks setup with only a root and swap partition. any ideas for what to do? |
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| 21:42.06 | michael2 | does anyone know if the first stage in a boot loader is executed on the bios chip or on the cpu? |
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| 21:43.51 | petn-randall | michael2: 100% sure it's CPU. |
| 21:44.02 | petn-randall | michael2: Even the BIOS is executed on the CPU. |
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| 21:44.29 | michael2 | really? I thought the BIOS code ran on its own dedicated processor? |
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| 21:45.32 | michael2 | petn-randall: ^ |
| 21:45.35 | petn-randall | michael2: Then you'd also need a separate PCI bus to access the disk controller and the GPU. That's why it runs on the CPU. |
| 21:45.57 | petn-randall | michael2: It would also mean your BIOS would run perfectly fine if you unplugged the CPU. I'm sure it doesn't. |
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| 21:48.58 | dijong | do you think my problem could be because / is ext4, and somehow GRUB can "list files" there but it can't actually read them (hence the "file not found" for vmlinuz)? if that's the problem how can i fix it? |
| 21:49.01 | beardy | Anyone else having issues reboot(1)ing since.. a long time? |
| 21:49.07 | michael2 | petn-randall: so you mean an extra bus/s from the BIOS processor reaching out to the disk and screen devices would be necessary? |
| 21:49.29 | annadane | beardy, https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/8h9bfq/recent_debian_linux_kernel_update_breaks_my_system/ ? |
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| 21:50.48 | beardy | I think systemd hangs/waits indefinitely on something, and just fails to reboot.. |
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| 21:51.36 | michael2 | beardy: what is systemd's current default boottarget set to? |
| 21:52.04 | beardy | annadane: No this has been happening for a long time, over many kernel versions. |
| 21:52.17 | bites | have you tried making journald persistent and then checked if it complains about something? |
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| 21:54.44 | petn-randall | !CVE-2018-1108 |
| 21:54.44 | dpkg | i heard cve-2018-1108 is a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot. Delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. Can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login, esp with LUKS enabled. Short term workarounds: Wiggle mouse/tap keyboard a lot, install rng-tools5 or haveged pkgs, or boot previous kernel |
| 21:54.51 | petn-randall | beardy: ^^^ |
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| 21:55.56 | bites | oh, i thought it hangs on shutdown. |
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| 21:57.07 | beardy | bites: It does yes. |
| 21:57.46 | beardy | petn-randall: Thanks, but not related, same thing annadane linked it sounds l8ike. Not my issue. |
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| 21:59.21 | beardy | michael2: The default. How do I find out to answer you better? |
| 21:59.33 | petn-randall | beardy: In that case I'd check the logs. Making journalctl persistent might also help, as well as 'systemd-analyze critical-chain'. |
| 22:00.17 | michael2 | beardy: run `systemctl get-default' |
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| 22:02.41 | beardy | michael2: graphical.target |
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| 22:06.34 | michael2 | beardy: thats the whole huge operatting system and desktop environment. you could try running this to stop loading Xorg/desktop: |
| 22:06.36 | michael2 | systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
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| 22:07.08 | michael2 | if your problem goes away you can then assume the problem lies in the X/desktop initialisation stage |
| 22:07.41 | beardy | It doesn't run X.. |
| 22:08.27 | beardy | And it is shutting down, not initializing that is the issue. |
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| 22:09.00 | beardy | I first thought it was (claimed closed) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788303, I do not have any swap though. |
| 22:09.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/788303 in systemd (closed): «systemd: Hangs indefinitely on >90% of reboot attempts»; severity: important; opened: 2015-06-10; last modified: 2016-05-24. |
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| 22:12.59 | michael2 | beardy: it doesn't run X? is it a server? |
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| 22:15.07 | annadane | odd that that problem should exist in stable |
| 22:15.46 | beardy | michael2: Several servers, but yes. |
| 22:18.56 | dgriffi | ah... a systemd bug... don't worry. it's not important. Poettering knows best. |
| 22:19.04 | beardy | poweroff(1) does shut it down correctly oddly enough.. I have enabled persistent systemd journal, we'll see.. |
| 22:19.27 | beardy | dgriffi: Indeed. |
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| 22:20.53 | dgriffi | all hail complex software replacing simple software |
| 22:21.29 | beardy | Ok, so htf does one read that? |
| 22:21.39 | dgriffi | sarcasm |
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| 22:21.55 | beardy | I know, and agree, but nonhelpful and irrelevant. |
| 22:22.12 | beardy | The journal, in the file, I mean. |
| 22:22.21 | dgriffi | sorry... left over irritation at being told that my objections to systemd are irrelevant. |
| 22:23.11 | bites | beardy: with journalctl -b1 to see the logs from the previous boot, i believe. |
| 22:24.13 | beardy | bites: Thanks, same for reading the shutdown/reboot I guess, after the reboot? |
| 22:25.07 | bites | havn't done it often, to be honest. always just scrolled to the end. ^^ |
| 22:25.17 | michael2 | journalctl -b1 only works if you have persistent journal setup though, I think |
| 22:25.18 | beardy | To reboot it now I need to 'reboot' then pull the virtual power cord and start it up again.. |
| 22:25.29 | beardy | michael2: Yes, I just enabled it. |
| 22:26.06 | bites | beardy: i noticed a funny thing on containers a few weeks ago. systemd got stuck if a service spawned a new, immediately failing service on shutdown. probably unrelated, but something to look out for. |
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| 22:27.30 | beardy | Holy fuck I can not believe it. NOW it managed to reach the end of the reboot target and actually reboot, just because I made the journal persistent!? |
| 22:27.42 | bites | heh |
| 22:27.48 | annadane | uhh... ok |
| 22:27.53 | annadane | !next |
| 22:27.54 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 22:28.05 | beardy | I will try it on another machine.. |
| 22:28.13 | beardy | Happens on all of them. |
| 22:28.17 | michael2 | beardy: are you sure nothing else changed? |
| 22:28.24 | beardy | michael2: Quite.. |
| 22:28.45 | annadane | that's incredibly bizarre |
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| 22:30.55 | beardy | bites: These are KVM:s not containers though, but yes. |
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| 22:32.40 | beardy | Yes, that is the most bizarre thing in a long time.. on a second machine, which has had the same issue before, it also manages to reboot now. Without enabling persistent journal on that one, I am perplexed.. |
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| 22:47.36 | beardy | I tried on a third machine, without upgrading the kernel too.. it also manages to reboot now. Seemingly letting systemd write its journal to disk one time, on one kvm box, it "fixed" my problem.. thanks everyone replying. |
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| 22:49.45 | beardy | The only weird reason I can think of is if some memory is de-duplicated and left on the host machine, containing an old systemd piece, or kernel piece, of memory, that now got thrown out when changing the systemd journal conf on one of them.. that sounds very far fetched, but I can't thinkof anything else. Oh well.. |
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| 22:53.19 | bug | systemd strikes again... |
| 22:55.05 | beardy | nods |
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| 23:31.44 | mellotto | hi there |
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| 23:35.50 | annadane | mellotto, hi |
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