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| 00:09.55 | Project86__ | How do you you install one distro on top of another without vm? I've seen scripts like "katoolin" that puts all kali tools on any distro. I was wanting to put a diff distro on top of my PiCroft (raspian jessie) distro. I edited /etc/apt/sources.list and put the distros proper (I think? 99%sure) repo in, commented the others put, did update (according to another tut), nothing. Tried reuncommenting the original and update |
| 00:09.55 | Project86__ | again, nothing. What am I doing wrong if it's been shown to work? |
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| 00:32.33 | SirusGedo | hello guys ,, how can i get a free visa card ? |
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| 00:41.01 | bb36e | I have a couple on my desk, don't think there's much left in them though |
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| 00:42.33 | bug | this isn't the place to discuss illegal activities. or anywhere on freenode. |
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| 01:01.44 | snadge | yo dawgs.. i heard you like znc, so i backported znc from sid to stretch.. but i probably did it in the most dodgy way imaginable, because i have no idea what im doing, and theres no package in backports |
| 01:02.19 | snadge | i ended up doing fakeroot ./debian/rules binary .. because dpkg-buildpackage was complaining about modified files and things of this nature |
| 01:02.44 | SlidingHorn | I really expected a better zn-ception joke... |
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| 01:09.49 | mellotto | hi there |
| 01:10.14 | mellotto | do you use graphicall IRC clients? Any suggestions? |
| 01:11.02 | bb36e | hexchat |
| 01:11.05 | NerdTheThird | ^ |
| 01:11.07 | bazhang | hexchat quassel |
| 01:11.08 | NerdTheThird | best one |
| 01:11.15 | bazhang | there are others |
| 01:11.29 | mellotto | hexchat or quassel? |
| 01:11.36 | NerdTheThird | i've been using hexchat for 2 years now, it's literally the best one |
| 01:11.39 | bazhang | those are two |
| 01:11.41 | NerdTheThird | go hex |
| 01:11.55 | bazhang | there is no 'best' |
| 01:11.59 | NerdTheThird | #TeamHex |
| 01:12.05 | bazhang | get what suits you |
| 01:12.16 | mellotto | I am using Hex now. Honestly I did not like the polari |
| 01:12.17 | bazhang | the channel is #hexchat |
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| 03:06.21 | mellotto | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Debian 9.4 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400S CPU @ 2.50GHz (2,47GHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 6,6 GiB Total (5,2 GiB Free) Swap: 7,3 GiB Total (7,3 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 69,0 GB / 1,2 TB (1,1 TB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 2h 56m 23s |
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| 03:07.28 | HeXiLeD | so now are we suppose to worship you or something ? |
| 03:07.51 | dvs | kneels before Zod |
| 03:10.12 | mellotto | no need for. but if the issue you are facing is non-OS related, maybe I can help. |
| 03:10.24 | whjms | Finally, a machine that can run Debian! |
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| 03:20.07 | mellotto | not a great machine hardware I know... but it is the best I could get and stay on budget.... ;) |
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| 03:48.08 | noob983475 | Noob here. Former Ubuntu user. Trying to install Debian from a live USB. When I boot into an Ubuntu live USB, it asks if I want to install it. The Debian live USB did not. A cursory Google search told me to run `sudo debian-installer-launcher` but all I got was "command not found." Please school me. |
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| 03:50.25 | somiaj | you want to use the debian installer, not the live cd. It is suggested you use the offical debian install CD's (not the live ones) to install. But the live image does contain an debain installer. But you run the installer at boot (not after you are in the live enviorment) |
| 03:50.47 | somiaj | so when you boot the cd, before you boot into the live enviorment, there are some options, find the option that says to boot into the installer. |
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| 03:54.34 | noob983475 | Not reading the GRUB menu, rookie mistake eh |
| 03:54.43 | noob983475 | Ubuntu treated me with a shiny GUI for everything |
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| 03:57.33 | somiaj | noob983475: that feature was removed from the live cd since it was buggy (the installer would fail to install grub if ran from inside the live enviorment. Due to limited resources, the solution was to just include the offical debian-installer and not create and matain a seperate one for the live images) |
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| 04:40.17 | JohnDoe2 | using this, which is probably quite outdated since jessie is used, but anyway (https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201) problem is, after having written the kernel to the partition that was marked as good I get a black screen. |
| 04:40.40 | JohnDoe2 | That usually means some kind of gfx card issues. Am I wrong? |
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| 04:42.10 | somiaj | JohnDoe2: you may want to try #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net if you don't get much response here (I think people who use arm are kinda limited). That being said, assuming the instructions work for jessie, why not just install jessie (it is still supported). After you install jessie (maybe just a minimial system) you can then upgrade it to stretch. |
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| 04:43.01 | JohnDoe2 | somiaj I actually followed the tutorial with jessie and that's where I bump into the black boot screen. I'm assuming the kernel is active but anyway, thanks a bunch, didn't know about oftc |
| 04:43.16 | somiaj | JohnDoe2: that is if you think the issue is something with stretch. Also what part of the process are you getting the black screen, at the 'grub' or boot loader stage. If you are getting a black screen there, I would assume it is not video related, but something with the bootloader setup. |
| 04:43.21 | somiaj | but I don't use arm, so I'm only guessing. |
| 04:44.03 | somiaj | there is a smaller population there, so lurk around after asking your question. Also timing can help, if you dn't get a response try back at a differnt time (like in 12 hours) |
| 04:44.04 | JohnDoe2 | I can't see anything other than a black screen as soon as I boot off the SD card |
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| 04:44.16 | JohnDoe2 | makes sense |
| 04:44.18 | JohnDoe2 | thanks again |
| 04:44.27 | somiaj | that sounds more like the bootloader, than graphics card issue with the kernel. |
| 04:44.51 | somiaj | though what are you using the boot off the SD card, is this some efi setup or grub? |
| 04:45.18 | JohnDoe2 | it's EFI as far as I understand |
| 04:45.35 | JohnDoe2 | vanilla ChromeOS bootloader, haven't flashed yet, wanted to try first |
| 04:46.53 | somiaj | hmm, maybe it is the kernel, though my understanding is with uefi the graphics info should be passed directly to the kernel. But again I know very little of how arm works. Anyways, sounds like you have done your research and have a better understanding than me. Hope you can get help in #debian-arm if no one responds here. |
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| 04:47.50 | JohnDoe2 | okay, I'll keep digging. thank you again for the tip! |
| 04:48.14 | cluelessperson | How do you set NFS server so that any file/directory create has certain owner:group and permissions? |
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| 04:48.57 | cluelessperson | Basically, i'm trying to force all the files/directories to be, root:archive 770 |
| 04:49.13 | cluelessperson | then on a client NFS machine, mount it owned as root:group 770 |
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| 04:50.05 | somiaj | cluelessperson: do you have to have the owner set there. Provided you have the users mapped correctly from client to server, you could just set up normal permissions 770, and then set it up so all new files are put in the archive group and given 770 (or 660 for non directories). |
| 04:50.18 | somiaj | and I think that is the same if or if not you did this over nfs. |
| 04:50.38 | cluelessperson | somiaj: what do you mean "mapped correctly" ? |
| 04:50.44 | cluelessperson | I don't want the client and server to share users |
| 04:50.50 | somiaj | cluelessperson: meaning the uid/gids of the server/client are the same. |
| 04:50.57 | cluelessperson | this isn't a user environment |
| 04:51.14 | somiaj | I think that is the prefered way to use nfs. I am unsure on if you want the users to be different. |
| 04:51.26 | cluelessperson | somiaj: I'm trying to keep it, root:archive on the server. mount it as root:group on the client, and force all permisisons to be 770 |
| 04:51.46 | cluelessperson | somiaj: So no, I'm not wanting to match up uids/gids between servers |
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| 04:52.43 | somiaj | hmm, I sonder if using something besides nfs would be perfable for that, though I only know a little about how this all works. But I don't think nfs works like that easily...tyring to find some docs though. |
| 04:53.12 | cluelessperson | somiaj: with NTFS/CIFS I can set the mount uid, gid |
| 04:53.30 | cluelessperson | somiaj: So technically all the writes are as root, but it's exposed on the FS with those permissions |
| 04:53.32 | somiaj | maybe sshfs would work better, since all permsions would be set as the user being used. |
| 04:54.07 | somiaj | cluelessperson: corerct, but ntfs/cifs are not standard unix file systems and these have built in methods to give them compadability, nfs on the other hand is meant to be able to use default permisions and chmod/chown stuff. |
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| 04:54.38 | somiaj | It might be possible, but my understanding is nfs is set up differently by default to be able to preserve permisions. |
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| 04:55.46 | somiaj | cluelessperson: it might be possible, but nfs is typically not used that way. |
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| 04:57.52 | cluelessperson | somiaj: well, it seems NFS is made for enterprise scenarios where you might use something like an LDAP server to sync identities across servers. |
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| 04:58.16 | somiaj | cluelessperson: https://serverfault.com/questions/240897/how-to-properly-set-permissions-for-nfs-folder-permission-denied-on-mounting-en -- that seems to have a clue, the answer says, 'you can force all access to occur as a single user and group by combining the all_squash, anonuid, and anongid export. |
| 04:58.26 | cluelessperson | somiaj: where all the uids and gids would match. If I were setting this up for an organization, I would do that, but this is just for me to use, I'm only creating samba shares for my brothers. |
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| 04:59.00 | somiaj | cluelessperson: correct, nfs is more for that. Hence you migth just want to use samba/cifs, or sshfs for this instead of nfs. But I think that all_squash, anonuid, and anongid will do the trick. |
| 04:59.20 | cluelessperson | somiaj: I'll try that, thanks |
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| 05:02.57 | kamo | hey |
| 05:03.14 | kamo | how do I enable audio on my debian machine? |
| 05:03.48 | kamo | i installed debian using the debian netinst iso |
| 05:03.49 | cluelessperson | kamo: what sort of debian machine/setup ? |
| 05:03.54 | somiaj | kamo: it should be enabled. First what desktop are you using? |
| 05:04.33 | kamo | cluelessperson: debian latest. I didn't select any desktop. infact, i have no dm. Only the i3 wm installed on my system. |
| 05:04.46 | kamo | somiaj: i3 wm with no DM |
| 05:04.59 | somiaj | then most likely you have alsa, and though most things work with alsa, many like the additional features of pulse. |
| 05:05.17 | somiaj | kamo: Run this command, 'cat /proc/asound/cards' -- do you see multiple sound cards listed? |
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| 05:10.26 | kamo_ | hey! i installed pulseaudio. will that chnge things? and no i don't have alsa-* installed on my machine |
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| 05:11.54 | annadane | generally if you have no sound at all pavucontrol will probably fix your issues |
| 05:12.16 | annadane | except your psychological ones; you're on your own, there |
| 05:12.31 | kamo_ | pavucontrol is a part of which package? |
| 05:12.32 | somiaj | annadane: not if you dn't have pulse installed, which is probably the case for a minimial wm install. |
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| 05:12.53 | annadane | ah, maybe it doesn't automatically pull in pulseaudio, i seem to remember that now |
| 05:12.57 | annadane | kamo_, pavucontrol |
| 05:13.15 | annadane | i'm too lazy to go check the depends |
| 05:13.18 | somiaj | kamo_: alsa is part of the linux kernel, it is always present. Pulse is on top of alsa. But if using pulse, then yes pavucontrol (package name as well) is a desktop independent tool to configure the audio devices. |
| 05:13.26 | kamo_ | somiaj: so alsa shows abunch of files to install which one should I go with? |
| 05:13.42 | somiaj | annadane: almost all desktops will pull in pulse, but I think wm's only if the user wants it. |
| 05:14.31 | somiaj | kamo_: you shouldn't need to isntall anything. Alsa is inside the kernel and all the stuff for sound to work should be avaiable. the alsamixer package is nice if using alsa, as it gives you a ncurses tool to control volumes. Outside of that you shoudln't need anything to use alsa. |
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| 05:14.44 | somiaj | kamo_: but if using pulse, use tools for pulse, not alsa. |
| 05:15.40 | kamo_ | somiaj: so I installed pavucontrol and it shows gui interface which i nice but then im not able to control the sound using my volume keys |
| 05:15.44 | somiaj | the main things about alsa, if you have multiple sound cards (which is quite common these days due to hdmi) you will may need to configure which one alsa uses. I do this via $HOME/.asoundrc, but again you said you installed pulse, so pavucontrol (pulse audio volume contorol) |
| 05:15.59 | cluelessperson | How do I make it so all the files/directories created by a certain process have default owner:group permissions? |
| 05:16.04 | cluelessperson | umask seems to handle the permissions |
| 05:17.00 | somiaj | kamo_: using the volume keys to control sound will depend on your wm, what key bindings are setup, and if they are setup to contorl pulse or alsa. You may have to manually configure those to work (I do here in fvwm) |
| 05:17.22 | somiaj | cluelessperson: This is just normal ext4 (unix) permsision, not over nfs now? I don't think that is possible. I think you can only control the group, not the owner. |
| 05:17.44 | somiaj | and in general you don't want to allow a user to be able to write files as a differnt owner, this is a security issue. |
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| 05:18.00 | kamo_ | somiaj: oh okay so i need to configure i3 to maybe linkthose vol keys to pavucontrol? |
| 05:18.25 | somiaj | kamo_: I think so, unsure if i3 already has this setup or not. But yes, you need to look into i3 key bindings and configure it. |
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| 05:19.13 | somiaj | cluelessperson: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/98760/how-are-file-permissions-applied-to-newly-created-files there is a long description. In most setups I've seen you set up the group (but not the owner) of newly created files. |
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| 05:19.44 | kamo_ | somiaj: okay so pavucontrol didn |
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| 05:20.00 | kamo_ | actually get the audio working |
| 05:20.08 | somiaj | cluelessperson: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/165865/forcing-owner-on-created-files-and-folders -- that seems to address your question, and seems that this doesn't work in linux (but freebsd seems to have this feature) |
| 05:20.10 | SlidingHorn | kamo_: add a line like this to your ~/.config/i3/config file bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec --no-startup-id pactl set-sink-volume - +5% |
| 05:20.31 | SlidingHorn | (and one for volume down, as well) kamo_ |
| 05:21.18 | somiaj | cluelessperson: the other suggestions I'm seeing is just use a different file system (non unix) which forces all files to ahve a single uid. Maybe make a vfat file system just for this. |
| 05:21.30 | kamo_ | SlidingHorn: is that keymap forthe volume button? |
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| 05:21.51 | SlidingHorn | kamo_: XF86AudioRaiseVolume? Yes |
| 05:21.58 | somiaj | kamo_: yes, and you can use the program 'xev' to double check that the keys are sending the keycode XF86AudioRaiseVolume |
| 05:22.12 | somiaj | and XF86AudioLowerVolume |
| 05:22.55 | kamo_ | somiaj: okay thanks and pavucontrol doesn't seem to make the audio work |
| 05:23.03 | kamo_ | why is that? |
| 05:23.45 | somiaj | you would ahve to be more detailed, also double check you have slected the correct sound card, speakers plugged in correctly (or the correct port), turned on, etc. There are are various things that could be the problem. |
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| 05:25.26 | kamo_ | somiaj: yes i selected the correct speaker and its a laptop so... |
| 05:25.45 | somiaj | sometimes laptops have hardware mute buttons on them. |
| 05:25.54 | somiaj | also check using headphones. |
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| 06:58.52 | michael2 | hi all. does anyone know how to set colors for rxvt-unicode? (via ~/.Xdefaults) |
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| 07:01.51 | Antares | Parade Victory 2018 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTVK3_6V7f0&list=PLLHjKKyQ4OaSwdyZsY4cKLSq06VpwvG3T |
| 07:02.43 | Fox | Antares: why ? |
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| 07:06.59 | AndreasLutro | michael2: https://github.com/anlutro/dotfiles/blob/master/configs/x11/xdefaults |
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| 07:09.07 | michael2 | AndreasLutro: thanks. is it possible for me to just copy one line at a time from that file? or do I need to source the whole thing? |
| 07:09.26 | AndreasLutro | of course you can copy just the lines you want |
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| 07:10.43 | michael2 | I just copied this line: |
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| 07:10.45 | michael2 | *color4: #039be5 |
| 07:11.18 | michael2 | and ran `xrdb ~/.Xdefaults' - and started a new urxvt - and the color didn't apply? |
| 07:11.52 | AndreasLutro | which urxvt do you have installed? |
| 07:12.01 | AndreasLutro | dpkg -l | grep rxvt |
| 07:12.01 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep rxvt |
| 07:12.08 | AndreasLutro | facepalm |
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| 07:13.30 | michael2 | AndreasLutro: http://termbin.com/4sxa |
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| 07:13.52 | AndreasLutro | mm I have rxvt-unicode-256color, maybe the xdefault variables are different |
| 07:14.32 | michael2 | hmm. yeah `tput colors' tells me I only have 88 colors |
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| 07:15.52 | michael2 | AndreasLutro: maybe thats the problem all along? I need the 256 color package... |
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| 07:17.10 | AndreasLutro | worth a shot! I don't know why you wouldn't want 256 colors anyway |
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| 07:18.28 | michael2 | totally. Ok, Ive installed 256color rxvt... trying now... |
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| 07:18.56 | michael2 | Ive got: |
| 07:18.57 | michael2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:19.42 | michael2 | sorry, dunno what happened |
| 07:20.28 | AndreasLutro | you should get an irc client which warns you if you try to paste more than 3 lines :) |
| 07:21.37 | michael2 | it did warn me (im using weechat) I dont know how many lines got copied to my clipboard - I thought it was 2 |
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| 07:25.41 | michael2 | hmm. even with 256color, Im not getting the color im after. Does anyone know what color number `ls' applies to directories? I thought it would be "4"? i.e. blue? |
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| 07:26.38 | juhop | $LS_COLORS might show it |
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| 07:28.54 | AndreasLutro | you can `apt install colortest && colortest` :) |
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| 07:30.34 | michael2 | heres is my $dircolors - http://termbin.com/2e5z - which entry is "directories" ? |
| 07:31.37 | michael2 | di=01;34: ? so ls is using color4 for directories? |
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| 07:36.26 | crimson_king | On Arch Linux I used a file named mkinitcpio.conf to set hooks. What is the equivalent in Debian? |
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| 07:37.16 | crimson_king | nevermind, found online |
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| 07:43.43 | crimson_king | Great! Debian already set the "resume=/dev/mapper(...)" automatically. I'm checking for hibernation support for this encrypted system |
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| 07:49.03 | jolt | or run newgrp (to get a new shell in the shell), depends on the usecase I guess |
| 07:49.29 | theraspberry | hmm.. why is chromium in the testing repo version 62? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=chromium stable is running v66 as normal. |
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| 07:49.50 | petn-randall | ,v chromium |
| 07:49.51 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster: 62.0.3202.89-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 66.0.3359.117-1~deb9u1; sid: 66.0.3359.139-1 |
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| 07:50.15 | petn-randall | theraspberry: It hasn't migrated from sid to testing yet. |
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| 07:51.00 | theraspberry | but stable already has v66? isn't that a bit backwards? |
| 07:51.45 | AndreasLutro | more effort gets put into keeping stable up-to-date |
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| 07:52.29 | petn-randall | theraspberry: No. That's how testing development works. Packages get uploaded to sid, and they then migrate to testing after 2-10 days, depending on urgency, and as long as there are no RC bugs in the package or it's dependency stopping it from migrating. |
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| 07:53.41 | petn-randall | theraspberry: The package in stable probably got uploaded due to security bugs. |
| 07:54.45 | theraspberry | ok, the security update makes sense. testing doesn't receive AFAIK? |
| 07:54.57 | theraspberry | doesn't receive security updates* |
| 07:55.17 | petn-randall | !testing security |
| 07:55.17 | dpkg | Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 07:55.54 | theraspberry | thanks. |
| 07:55.55 | petn-randall | theraspberry: All the get is security updates through sid, which is what you need to consider if you happen to run testing. |
| 07:55.58 | petn-randall | !tum |
| 07:55.59 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 07:56.11 | petn-randall | theraspberry: If you're running testing, this might help. ^^^ |
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| 07:59.49 | theraspberry | thanks petn-randall, I'll give it a shot now :) |
| 07:59.52 | at0m | theraspberry: and for testing, ircs://irc.oftc.net/debian-next |
| 08:00.15 | theraspberry | yeah, I do know that the testing irc is over there, just asked in here as im not always connected to oftc |
| 08:00.29 | theraspberry | and It wasn't a specific testing question ;) |
| 08:01.06 | at0m | just in case =) |
| 08:01.25 | theraspberry | all good, thanks! |
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| 08:05.27 | jim | hi, got a somewhat weird situation, guy I'm talking to in tel aviv is doing an upgrade, right now from wheezy to jessie, and his connection to the server he's upgrading got terminated, maybe about 6 hours ago...but, when he does ps aux | grep -v grep | grep apt, he's getting lots of output |
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| 08:06.04 | jim | we didn't put it under tmux, so he can't reattach |
| 08:06.22 | petn-randall | jim: Can you still log in? |
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| 08:06.40 | jim | yep, he just did, to get that grep |
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| 08:06.42 | petn-randall | jim: oh well, yes |
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| 08:07.07 | petn-randall | jim: apt or one of the child processes is probably waiting on feedback from the user. |
| 08:07.34 | petn-randall | jim: I'd start tmux, kill the processes (with SIGTERM, *not* SIGKILL), and continue the upgrade. |
| 08:08.00 | esainane | Surely that'd be SIGPIPE'd if waiting for input from a closed source? |
| 08:08.13 | jim | so... disaster partly... we do have a backup from before he upgraded his current wheezy to latest wheezy |
| 08:08.32 | jim | ok |
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| 08:08.59 | petn-randall | jim: I don't see a disaster, other than overrunning the maintainence window ;) |
| 08:08.59 | jim | so kill -TERM (them)? |
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| 08:09.29 | petn-randall | jim: `kill <pid>` is enough. |
| 08:10.12 | jim | I think this is the ps listing: http://termbin.com/64hx |
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| 08:10.54 | petn-randall | jim: That should be easy, it's only two processes. |
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| 08:11.30 | jim | ok, it must be in the middle of asking to replace a file |
| 08:11.48 | Lope | does anyone know why I can't verify these SHA512sums? `gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS` "Total number processed: 1 \n unchanged: 1" `gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS` "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
| 08:12.17 | petn-randall | Lope: The error message is giving you a hint. |
| 08:13.22 | Lope | sorry I wrote my question wrong |
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| 08:13.37 | Lope | does anyone know why I can't verify these SHA512sums? `gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --send-keys 0x673A03E4C1DB921F` "Total number processed: 1 \n unchanged: 1" `gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS` "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
| 08:14.25 | Lope | Ah, geez sorry, pasted wrong thing again. |
| 08:14.31 | jolt | Lope: Can't you just start with recv-keys and get the key imported first? |
| 08:14.35 | Lope | does anyone know why I can't verify these SHA512sums? `gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 0x673A03E4C1DB921F` "Total number processed: 1 \n unchanged: 1" `gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS` "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
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| 08:14.39 | petn-randall | Lope: What does the key you're sending to the keyserver have to do with the error? |
| 08:15.02 | Lope | okay, so I've already requested the key, and it indicates it has the key already |
| 08:15.08 | petn-randall | Lope: Full output of `gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS` please. |
| 08:15.33 | Lope | gpg: Signature made Fri 16 Mar 2018 22:50:55 SAST using RSA key ID 6294BE9B \n gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 08:16.07 | petn-randall | Lope: Try downloading that key instead? |
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| 08:16.34 | petn-randall | Lope: I'm also not sure why your gpg output short key ids. |
| 08:16.40 | petn-randall | *outputs |
| 08:17.00 | Lope | I'm running ubuntu 16.04 if that makes any diff? |
| 08:17.10 | petn-randall | Lope: It does. |
| 08:17.14 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 08:17.15 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 08:17.20 | petn-randall | Lope: ^^^ |
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| 08:17.43 | Lope | yes, but surely it must be possible to download some debian CD images on ubuntu and verify that they are legit? |
| 08:18.10 | Lope | this is not exactly in depth debian stuff |
| 08:18.36 | Lope | how does one install debian if one cannot verify one has downloaded it? |
| 08:19.12 | petn-randall | Lope: https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 08:19.51 | Lope | petn-randall: thanks, I've opened that page, I got the recv-keys command from the sub link |
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| 08:20.36 | Lope | oh, it looks like I'm supposed to recv-keys on all of the keys listed on the above URL? |
| 08:20.44 | petn-randall | Lope: That is an example, you still have to use the right key ID. |
| 08:21.27 | Lope | but how does 0x673A03E4C1DB921F (in the example cmd) relate to the keys shown on that URL? 0x673A03E4C1DB921F |
| 08:21.36 | petn-randall | Lope: It means you still need to download the key matching to the signature, you can't just download any key and verify it. |
| 08:21.40 | Lope | (pasted same twice accidentally) |
| 08:22.07 | jolt | Lope: you need the 6294BE9B for the verification, not 0x673.. (and that is what GPG tells you) |
| 08:22.07 | Lope | Ok, well I got the images from here: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 08:22.22 | jim | petn-randall, that listing that had 2 processes... remember we grepped for apt... maybe back in wheezy days, it uses dpkg to do the package installs and so there could be dpkg processes |
| 08:22.29 | petn-randall | Lope: gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys <keyid> |
| 08:23.02 | Lope | Aah, I see. |
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| 08:23.10 | petn-randall | Lope: key id can in this case be '6294BE9B' (not recommended due to short length), or '1046 0DAD 7616 5AD8 1FBC 0CE9 9880 21A9 64E6 EA7D' |
| 08:23.12 | Lope | Ok i did recv-keys for that key, got it, then it worked! |
| 08:23.42 | petn-randall | Lope: You should change the settings to list long key ids, because there are already malicious key collisions with the short key lengths. |
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| 08:24.02 | Lope | petn-randall: thanks, sounds like a good idea! |
| 08:24.19 | petn-randall | Lope: You'd have to ask Ubuntu how to change that, IIRC Debian has been using the long IDs for a while now. |
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| 08:26.35 | Lope | figured this out from the manual: gpg --verify --keyid-format long SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS |
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| 08:27.06 | Lope | I prefer to use commands that don't depend on temperamental crap like whatever the flavour of the day default config is. |
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| 08:29.09 | engys | Hi, after upgrading to stretch I am not able to use simple ssh key authentication to other systems |
| 08:30.12 | engys | any idea what is the cause for this? |
| 08:30.14 | Lope | thanks very much for your help petn-randall |
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| 08:36.33 | Lope | engys: likely you relief on stuff in a key manager or in a user ssh config. That's why I rather supply all options and key info etc in the command options. |
| 08:36.40 | jim | petn-randall, we successfully killed off the upgrade process... should we do anything before rerunning dist-upgrade? like: dpkg --configure --pending or apt-get -f install? |
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| 08:38.04 | Lope | engys: you'll likely need to show an actual error message if you want help, because "unable" doesn't give much clues. |
| 08:38.38 | engys | I already exported the public keys on Jessie before upgrading to Stretch and now I am not able to ssh from the upgraded Stretch to Jessie anymore.. but if I ssh from Jessie to the upgraded Stretch it works fine |
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| 08:38.56 | Lope | engys: try using a command with a decent amount of options in it for ssh to use like: `ssh myuser@hostname -p 1234 -i /foo/bar/key |
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| 08:40.01 | Lope | engys: your setup is not clearly described in my perception |
| 08:40.02 | engys | Lope: there is no error it ask me for the password what should not happen |
| 08:40.14 | Lope | engys: sshd_config has many options you may have overlooked |
| 08:41.01 | Lope | engys: common stuff is allowing root or not, and port number, the host key files, the number of key bits perhaps also, allowing a password, etc. |
| 08:41.10 | Lope | I've gtg, good luck |
| 08:41.10 | engys | as long I can think of keys are in ~/.ssh |
| 08:42.15 | Lope | keys can possibly have different names, and you need to make sure your authorized_keys files have good permisisons, and /root/.ssh or /home/personsname/.ssh/ have good permissions |
| 08:42.30 | Lope | and check your sshd_config file and the host keys also |
| 08:42.37 | Lope | bye |
| 08:42.45 | alkisg | engys: you could create a new user and try from that account; this would tell you if the problem is a system setting or user setting, to better know where to look |
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| 08:43.43 | engys | alkisg: it worked on Jessie why it should not work after upgrading to Stretch? |
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| 08:46.43 | engys | that is no permission problem because I did not try use another user with this keys |
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| 08:47.03 | engys | *to use |
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| 08:49.39 | petn-randall | engys: What? |
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| 08:50.07 | petn-randall | engys: alkisg is suggesting your create a new user and add the authorized_keys there so you can find out if it's a user or a system problem. |
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| 08:51.42 | engys | petn-randall: I will use my exsisting keys I already created on jessie before I upgraded to stretch .. why I should create a new user? |
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| 08:54.33 | tiny | Hi. What's proper way of renaming network interfaces in stretch? Used to be in udev rules net-persistent names... |
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| 08:56.52 | engys | petn-randall: even if I try to use ssh -i <keyfile-name> it ask me for a password |
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| 08:57.33 | jolt | engys: You can look at the output on the server, usually there is wrong permissions on the server side (.ssh/authorized_keys file) |
| 08:57.34 | engys | petn-randall: .. I mean ssh <host> -i <keyfile-name> it ask me for a password |
| 08:57.57 | bezaban | yeah, verify 600 for authorized_keys and 700 for .ssh |
| 08:58.00 | engys | jolt: i use the same user |
| 08:58.04 | jolt | engys: did you copy your key with ssh-copy-id? |
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| 08:58.46 | bezaban | or like.. you know. read your logs |
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| 08:59.46 | engys | jolt: no I cat id_dsa.pub >> authorized_keys and as I said before it worked fine before upgrading |
| 09:00.22 | bezaban | engys: well that would create the file with the default umask. verify the permissions. |
| 09:01.31 | engys | so Stretch changed from umask 022 ? |
| 09:02.11 | bezaban | engys: umask 022 won't give right permissions for an authorized_keys file |
| 09:02.15 | bezaban | this is not an upgrade problem |
| 09:02.29 | bezaban | this is how ssh key auth has worked for years and years |
| 09:03.35 | engys | bezaban: so ssh changed something? or did I already got some meltdown spectre invasion |
| 09:04.01 | bezaban | engys: re-read the above lines. What is happening has been explained to you. |
| 09:04.19 | bezaban | it has nothing to do with meltdown or any changes in ssh. |
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| 09:04.28 | bezaban | you have the pieces. Have a good day. |
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| 09:05.05 | engys | bezaban: ahh sry missed ur first line because it does not get highlighted =) |
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| 09:10.39 | taylan | is there a particular reason there's no Openfire package in the debian repos? |
| 09:12.07 | jolt | engys: Ah, I ran in to that low lenght keys were deprecated when I used RSA keys from my macbook to a debian server, was a great time to upgrade to EC. But look at the logs on the server |
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| 09:16.43 | apollo13 | taylan: because it is a bloated java app? :D |
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| 09:21.18 | engys | jolt: but I am using dsa |
| 09:23.00 | BCMM | taylan: i notice openfire offer their own .rpms and .debs |
| 09:23.49 | BCMM | taylan: it might be one of those huge packages that just comes with a bunch of dependancies and doesn't really care if it's difficult to package properly |
| 09:24.04 | engys | engys: I see maybe that is the problem .. from jessie to stretch I am using rsa |
| 09:24.15 | BCMM | (then again, it might not be, and i might be unfairly stereotyping enterprisey server-side java muck) |
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| 09:25.30 | engys | jolt: ups .. I see maybe that is the problem .. from jessie to stretch I am using rsa |
| 09:25.54 | petn-randall | taylan: Probably just because nobody packaged it for Debian yet. |
| 09:27.15 | Meerkat | How do I get the rhythmbox source code used by Debian? apt-get source rhythmbox only gives me this message "NOTICE: 'rhythmbox' packaging is maintained in the 'Svn' version control system at: svn://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-gnome/packages/unstable/rhythmbox/". And SVN only downloads a couple of patches and install scripts. |
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| 09:28.47 | petn-randall | Meerkat: Running that command gives you the exact source that produced the binary package. |
| 09:29.16 | petn-randall | Meerkat: The NOTICE is only relevant if you want to build from the devel branch or contribute to the packaging efforts. |
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| 09:29.54 | Meerkat | oh! yes, it DID download. Never mind then. =) Thanks |
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| 09:34.54 | engys | jolt: uhh yes that is the problem and PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=+ssh-dss fixed it. I already forgot that I am using old dsa keys on Jessie |
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| 09:36.34 | engys | jolt: thanks for your hint! damn that is the second time I make this mistake |
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| 09:44.16 | tiny | Hi. What's proper way of renaming network interfaces in stretch? Used to be in udev rules net-persistent names... |
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| 09:45.29 | tiny | I'd like a custom name, for example instead of enp1s0, mynet etc.. |
| 09:45.32 | petn-randall | tiny: Why do you want to rename them? |
| 09:45.48 | petn-randall | tiny: The udev rules should still work. |
| 09:46.08 | tiny | why? Why not? |
| 09:46.44 | tiny | I have 8 NICs and I'd like to rename them according to the system they're plugged in |
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| 09:47.52 | tiny | '/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules' <-- worked great |
| 09:48.03 | tiny | now it's gone |
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| 09:48.57 | petn-randall | tiny: As I said, you can simply create that file, it should still work. |
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| 09:50.19 | tiny | I might be mistaking but https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg01453.html says "This old schema is deprecated in Debian 9 ("Stretch"), and will not |
| 09:50.19 | tiny | be supported any more in Debian 10." so I'd like a permanent solution. |
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| 10:14.47 | dselect | jim: are you using Windows? |
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| 10:16.13 | jim | an info bot |
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| 11:06.48 | eugenmayer1 | any hints why e.g. `dig @1.2.3.4 -time=3 -tries=2` fails with `no connection` but `dig @1.2.3.4 -time=3 -tries=2 http://my.local/%60Â works without issues, also `dig @1.2.3.4 -time=3 -tries=2 google.com` works ( recurse ) |
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| 11:08.18 | jelly | eugenmayer1: what is the exact command line that fails? |
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| 11:08.29 | eugenmayer1 | dig @10.10.10.2 +tries=2 +time=3 |
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| 11:08.44 | eugenmayer1 | interestingly using that server to resolve works |
| 11:09.01 | eugenmayer1 | dig @10.10.10.2 +tries=2 +time=3 google.com -> will work |
| 11:09.12 | jelly | but it does not answer the default query for root (".")? |
| 11:09.43 | eugenmayer1 | yes, interestingly not just not answer but this way: https://www.pastiebin.com/5af2d6f436d91 |
| 11:10.08 | jelly | because dig qith no quesry seems to be equivalent for "dig . NS" |
| 11:10.10 | eugenmayer1 | so "connection time out". That is very odd to me or i simply do not understand |
| 11:10.38 | Sepultura | Do I read it correctly: Video games in the form of computer programs embodied in physical or downloaded formats that have been lawfully acquired as complete games, when the copyright owner or its authorized representative has ceased to provide access to an external computer server necessary to facilitate an authentication process to enable local gameplay, <-- if a authorization server goes down for eternity? |
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| 11:11.08 | eugenmayer1 | just tried that on a different server where `dig @10.10.10.2 +tries=2 +time=3` is working, and `dig @10.10.10.2 +tries=2 +time=3 . NS` had the exact same result |
| 11:11.16 | eugenmayer1 | jelly: ^^ |
| 11:11.26 | eugenmayer1 | so you are right, . NS is the default |
| 11:11.52 | eugenmayer1 | maybe: dig @10.10.10.2 +tries=2 +time=3 . A |
| 11:12.26 | eugenmayer1 | could be a more "bulletproof" way of given the statement: i could reach that DNS server and it is answering ( because that is what i am trying to do)_ |
| 11:12.50 | eugenmayer1 | maybe some windows DC dns settings restrict NS lookups ( idnk ) |
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| 11:23.32 | eugenmayer1 | jelly++ thank you a lot. |
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| 11:24.13 | eugenmayer1 | jelly: one last question, i was skimming the man page for the exact same information, that means, what does `dig @⦠` without paramers mean, i could not find it. Is it on the man page? |
| 11:26.21 | jim | how do you find out what's the latest point release jessie got to? |
| 11:27.45 | cmm11 | jim: say's on the homepage of the debian website, under news |
| 11:27.57 | cmm11 | oh wait jessie |
| 11:28.15 | jim | oldstable, yeah |
| 11:28.35 | jim | I'm suspecting it got to 8.10 |
| 11:28.39 | cmm11 | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/ |
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| 11:28.45 | cmm11 | correct |
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| 11:33.40 | jelly | eugenmayer1: no idea. I did not even know it had a defualt query befure yesterday |
| 11:34.24 | eugenmayer1 | jelly: ok :) You helped me a lot, i changed to . A and the server seem to always answers |
| 11:34.37 | eugenmayer1 | why ever, some people restrict NS type queries |
| 11:36.15 | jim | eugenmayer1, there are ways of poking at a nameserver |
| 11:36.38 | eugenmayer1 | i guess so. Ways i do not know :) |
| 11:36.50 | jim | metoo |
| 11:37.10 | eugenmayer1 | sorry but that word is taken! :) |
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| 11:37.59 | kre10s | Hello. When I run apt-get upgrade I see that several packages are being held back. I would like to know why. is there a command i can use to get more information? |
| 11:38.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kre10s about held back |
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| 11:39.13 | jim | cmm11, thanks |
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| 11:50.01 | setraX | if I want to access a smb printshare on windows I get Session setup failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" |
| 11:51.26 | setraX | I have debian stretch 9.4 |
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| 11:52.58 | setraX | I have no Ideas where to start, since I went through google solutions |
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| 11:53.54 | jolt | setraX: Did you add a smb password to the user with smbpasswd -a <user>? |
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| 11:54.15 | setraX | I do not own the smb://serveraddress/printqueue |
| 11:54.20 | jolt | setraX: (smb passwords are different from login passwords) |
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| 11:55.06 | setraX | It works from windows, with a username and password, but I'm not asked for password or username |
| 11:55.15 | setraX | on my debian machine |
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| 11:56.24 | jolt | setraX: Sorry, that's as far as my smb knowledge goes |
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| 11:56.58 | setraX | jolt, thx anyways |
| 11:56.59 | jolt | setraX: Wait a minute, you are trying to print via smb to a windows computer? |
| 11:57.06 | setraX | Yes |
| 11:57.10 | jolt | I got that backward and upside down |
| 11:57.23 | setraX | :-) maybe hope.. |
| 11:57.28 | jolt | You need to configure CUPS to add your printer: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 11:57.37 | setraX | Did that... |
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| 11:59.11 | jolt | setraX: Then, try to connect with the share to see if your user/pw works (smbclient), and then you probably need to look at the CUPS logs to see if there is any errors on the client side |
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| 11:59.48 | jolt | setraX: I think I used https://wiki.debian.org/PrintQueuesCUPS#scp when I printed with Deb, but that as a few years ago now |
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| 12:00.25 | jelly | eugenmayer1: fwiw our $work AD DC (still 2008R2, I think) readily respond to that default query |
| 12:00.52 | eugenmayer1 | jelly: well i tested on the very same, also r2, failed |
| 12:01.27 | eugenmayer1 | jelly: but i tested on a other 08r2, did not fail, and for a lot others ( all others? ) it also did not. But well, i am fine with . A |
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| 12:03.41 | setraX | jolt, I connected with smbclient -L IP -U user and got that https://dpaste.de/1qpB |
| 12:04.41 | jelly | eugenmayer1: but I have kdig installed right now (knot-dnsutils) and /usr/bin/dig is pointing to that, lemme reinstall the ISC one |
| 12:05.31 | setraX | jolt, sorry ... here https://dpaste.de/9hXf |
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| 12:21.22 | noob | Hi, I am trying to create a debian package and I have a requirement to install lxml module which is a python module and I have specified that in my setup.py. Which is dependent on certain libraries like libxml2-dev and libxslt1-dev, I wan tthese libraries to get installed on a my setup while building the package. To do so I mentioned the libraries in control file as well, that didn't seem to help either here is what my control file loo |
| 12:21.25 | noob | https://paste.ofcode.org/LbLRscKXDzhdAxegFquDJN |
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| 12:42.10 | Yo[w] | Hi after installing debian i always get errors at the init boot process... it s not clean and i do not understand why we have this is kind of message? |
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| 12:46.34 | mahe | is there any service that is able to kill programs automatically when RAM gets full to prevent system freeze? |
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| 12:49.47 | taylan | mahe: that's what normally happens to programs when they fail to allocate memory: they crash. what causes freezes is usually the swapping mechanism, where the OS begins to use the hard drive as backup RAM, so to say. still an interesting question though; e.g. would be great if you could say "instead of beginning to swap like crazy, just kill Firefox" |
| 12:50.47 | taylan | because once programs that are actively running begin to use swap (and not just inactive programs), the system gets too slow to use effectively, even though it never *really* freezes completely (I think?) |
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| 12:52.21 | micw | Hi |
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| 12:52.48 | micw | Seems that ZFS on stretch (backport kernel) is broken again: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897568 |
| 12:52.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/897568 in zfs-dkms (open): «zfs-dkms 0.7.6 fails to build on 4.16.0-1-amd64»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-05-03; last modified: 2018-05-06. |
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| 12:53.40 | micw | I have the impression that every single kernel upgrade in the last year broke zfs on debian :-( |
| 12:54.09 | taylan | mahe: possibly watchdog(8) can be configured to meet this need |
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| 12:56.18 | petn-randall | Yo[w]: What errors? Please provide logs or a screenshot. |
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| 12:57.57 | mahe | I had two occasions recently where both my RAM and swap got full and then the system was almost frozen. Spawning new programs or calling my application launcher was impossible (they couldn't allocate memory) - I could only switch to tty1 after minutes of waiting and slowly enter kill commands to get control back. Would be nice to have offending applications (using the most RAM) automatically killed when RAM is above a specific threshold. |
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| 13:00.14 | taylan | mahe: with the combination of a custom check for available memory (or maybe the default config can already do that) and a "repair" program to be triggered, it sounds like watchdog should be able to do what you want: https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/watchdog/watchdog.8.en.html |
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| 13:02.56 | taylan | mahe: looks like it can't distinguish between RAM and swap memory, but if you set the "minimum free memory" to almost the size of swap, I suppose it might work. or just use a custom "test" program (like a shell script). |
| 13:03.09 | taylan | don't forget to enable realtime so watchdog itself isn't swapped out |
| 13:04.02 | mahe | taylan, thank you very much for the input! |
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| 13:06.20 | mahe | taylan, are you referring to a realtime patched kernel? |
| 13:06.44 | petn-randall | mahe: You're looking for configuring the OOM-killer, but more importantly properly configuring memory overcommit: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting |
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| 13:09.18 | mahe | petn-randall, thank you for the input. Is the OOM-killer part of the kernel? |
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| 13:10.59 | taylan | the linked manpage mentions you can set the watchdog real-time by changing the config. dunno if this needs a special kernel config. |
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| 13:13.23 | petn-randall | mahe: yes. |
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| 13:25.06 | mahe | currently my system is set to vm.overcommit_memory=0 (heuristic approach), should I set vm.overcommit_memory=2 and configure vm.overcommit_ratio (to e.g. 90% or 95%) in order to force the OOM-Killer above this usage threshold? |
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| 13:31.35 | petn-randall | mahe: If you disable overcommitting, the kernel will deny any malloc() attempts of programs. The OOM-Killer will never fire. |
| 13:32.22 | petn-randall | mahe: disabling overcommit only makes sense if you have only VMs running on that machine. Otherwise RAM will be wasted. |
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| 13:33.18 | mahe | petn-randall, okay. Thanks for the explanation. I will refrain from disabling it I guess :) |
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| 13:36.21 | petn-randall | mahe: You *can* disable overcommitting, but especially Java and PHP programs don't go well with it in my experience, because they allocate lots of memory without using it. In that case heuristic overcommitting works better. |
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| 13:38.26 | coffforcake | hello,is there a specific reason why mac-spoofing is not possible in debian 9 anymore? |
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| 13:41.27 | petn-randall | coffforcake: it still is? |
| 13:43.56 | coffforcake | i dont use debian 9 very often ,but last time i tried id didnt work.. |
| 13:44.18 | coffforcake | did you tried it recently ? |
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| 13:59.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright somebody coup to it... |
| 13:59.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | who started this shit? This is known as Predictable Network Interface naming and is part of systemd, to which Ubuntu has been transitioning as of version 15.04. |
| 14:00.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | its in Debian stable know.... |
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| 14:00.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | i had to login locally on my boxes.. you know how many cobwebs i had to crawl through to get to it? |
| 14:00.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | spiders the size of your hands! |
| 14:00.55 | greycat | What's the problem? |
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| 14:01.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i was upgrading and systemd changed my interface names to eno1 eno2 from eth01 to eth02.. |
| 14:01.42 | greycat | I mean, other than the cobwebs. If your servers are being kept in those conditions, you probably have massive dust buildup, and they could use a vacuuming. |
| 14:01.59 | greycat | systemd does not change interface names on an upgrade from jessie to stretch. |
| 14:02.17 | greycat | If your system was originally jessie or older, your existing interface names will remain untouched. |
| 14:03.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | i was unhuh |
| 14:03.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | it did not |
| 14:04.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | i had to change the interfaces file to eno1 eno2 |
| 14:04.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | first install did not that either which was odd. |
| 14:04.50 | greycat | You also quoted something that mentioned Ubuntu versioning. If you're not running Debian, all bets are off. |
| 14:05.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am running debian, |
| 14:05.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | just happen to find something that said the big U usees it too |
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| 14:06.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | was odd but me fixed it |
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| 14:07.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | seems like a nice thing to have anyways, |
| 14:08.30 | greycat | If you want the Debian notes on predictable interface names: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names |
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| 14:15.42 | Emil | Hey anyone know how to compile xbill with support for alternative guis |
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| 14:18.14 | jelly | xbill the silly game? |
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| 14:21.27 | petn-randall | Eryn_1983_FL: Predictable interface names are not enabled on upgrades. I've upgraded about a dozen machines, none of them have what you described. |
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| 14:23.29 | greycat | Maybe the spiders did it. |
| 14:23.43 | petn-randall | Eryn_1983_FL: It sounds more like you read something outragous on Facebook, and now have to spread it here. If not, please provide logs to debug the issue (assuming you want it fixed). |
| 14:23.53 | petn-randall | If not, rants > /dev/null |
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| 14:32.58 | angry_route | Hi guys! What would be the best method to detect missing firmware? I know that during kernel updates I get a package list, but is there a way to find out? |
| 14:33.22 | greycat | angry_route: I use "dmesg | grep -i firmware" but I will admit this is not 100% foolproof |
| 14:34.02 | angry_route | Thanks! It's a start :) |
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| 14:58.02 | RoyK | greycat: dmesg just reads the circular log buffer in kernel - the logs, such as /var/log/kern.log may be better |
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| 14:58.39 | greycat | True, but I tend to do my firmware checking during the installation, when dmesg is young and small. |
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| 15:02.34 | james1138 | Greycat... I read the tip about firmware. Cool! But, when I type it into root terminal - nothing happened for me. Do that mean it did not work or that I am missing no firmware? |
| 15:03.00 | greycat | see RoyK's answer if this system has been running a long time |
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| 15:04.16 | james1138 | My system less than a month. |
| 15:05.34 | greycat | That's more than long enough for the original kernel messages to have cycled out of the dmesg buffer. So check /var/log/kern.log.* instead. |
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| 15:09.14 | rek | hi world i'd like to have and advice to install gcc 5 on my debian stretch installation |
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| 15:09.47 | rek | or i'll add a jessie repo to do that and dirt my distro |
| 15:10.00 | greycat | jessie has 4.9.2 |
| 15:10.15 | rek | which one has 5 ? |
| 15:10.17 | greycat | None. |
| 15:10.22 | greycat | stretch has 6.3.0 |
| 15:10.37 | rek | i need that to use cuda toolkit |
| 15:11.31 | rek | https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/gcc-5 |
| 15:11.40 | rek | can i add this repo? |
| 15:11.57 | greycat | No, not a binary sid repo. |
| 15:12.03 | greycat | That would break everything. |
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| 15:12.25 | rek | some files only? |
| 15:12.36 | greycat | ,checkbackport gcc-5 |
| 15:12.44 | judd | Backporting package gcc-5 in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gnat-5:native [!m32r !sh3 !sh3eb !sh4eb !powerpcspe !mips64 !x32], g++-5:native, libisl-0.18-dev, g++-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gobjc-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gfortran-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gcj-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gdc-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, |
| 15:12.45 | judd | gccgo-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gnat-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>. |
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| 15:13.07 | greycat | Looks bad. You should probably just build vanilla upstream GCC sources instead. |
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| 15:13.38 | rek | are that alternatives the ones judd listed? |
| 15:14.02 | greycat | Just go to gnu.org and get their source and build it into /usr/local following THEIR directions, and do NOT touch a .deb file at all. |
| 15:14.12 | nkuttler | bootstrapping gcc shouldn't be too hard |
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| 15:14.23 | greycat | It is a bit tedious and boring (in the best case). |
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| 15:16.59 | james1138 | Uhmm.... the kern.log says 551.4 MB! Is it supposed to be that big?! |
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| 15:17.52 | greycat | That is highly unusual. |
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| 15:23.06 | james1138 | Could it be because I updated my kernel? |
| 15:23.09 | rek | having a look on configuring gcc 5.2.0 |
| 15:23.32 | greycat | james1138: well, read it and see what it says... |
| 15:24.50 | james1138 | Last entry... May 9 11:14:41 Thor kernel: [ 8850.969370] evbug: Event. Dev: input6, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0 |
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| 15:26.28 | james1138 | May 9 11:14:41 Thor kernel: [ 8850.969368] evbug: Event. Dev: input6, Type: 1, Code: 272, Value: 0 |
| 15:26.39 | james1138 | May 9 11:14:41 Thor kernel: [ 8850.969366] evbug: Event. Dev: input6, Type: 4, Code: 4, Value: 589825 |
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| 15:27.04 | james1138 | May 9 11:14:41 Thor kernel: [ 8850.945365] evbug: Event. Dev: input6, Type: 2, Code: 1, Value: 1 |
| 15:27.40 | greycat | I thought you said you'd been running for a month, but apparently only 8850 seconds or so. |
| 15:28.05 | james1138 | I do not know what any of this means. Sorry all. Grandpa is scratching head and drinking coffee. |
| 15:28.10 | webchat178 | Hi, i should have a openvpn server listening on a port but i cant connect into it and i dont see the port opened.... I've tried opening it from iptables but i cant see it......... |
| 15:28.17 | webchat178 | what can i do? |
| 15:28.34 | james1138 | What!! 8850 seconds and half a gig in size?! |
| 15:28.51 | greycat | james1138: definitely a bad sign, yeah. |
| 15:29.08 | james1138 | Is it logging everything? |
| 15:29.26 | greycat | It's logging whatever the kernel and its driver modules decide is worth enough to write a message about. |
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| 15:30.31 | james1138 | Ok. <grrrr> How do I turn off the logging please? |
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| 15:31.13 | greycat | ... reboot into a kernel that doesn't have these problems? |
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| 15:33.14 | james1138 | I am using 4.9.98 kernel. Any suggestions on what kernel to go back to if not possible to turn off logging? |
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| 15:33.39 | greycat | The default stretch 4.9.x kernel would be my pick. |
| 15:33.40 | rek | a lot of prerequisites here that's a lot of work |
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| 15:34.09 | k_sze | Just me or the non-free nvidia-cuda-toolkit 8.0.44 in Debian Stretch is largely unusable? |
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| 15:34.55 | k_sze | The nvcc in CUDA toolkit 8.0 doesn't support GCC 6.3.0, which is the default gcc in Debian Stretch. |
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| 15:41.04 | rek | which is the C standard library package in debian stretch ? |
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| 15:41.39 | abrotman | rek: are you trying to compile something? |
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| 15:44.08 | rek | abrotman, thay told me to compile gcc 5 |
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| 15:45.14 | greycat | The X in this X-Y seems to have something to do with nvidia drivers. |
| 15:45.18 | greycat | That's all we know so far. |
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| 15:46.54 | james1138 | Okay. I deleted the kern.log and Google search gave me sudo systemctl disable rsyslog.service - to hopefully stop futher attempts. |
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| 15:47.54 | greycat | WHHHHAAAAAT |
| 15:47.55 | greycat | NO |
| 15:47.59 | greycat | BAD USER |
| 15:48.09 | greycat | TURNING OFF RSYSLOG IS NOT THE WAY FORWARD |
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| 15:49.14 | greycat | "I built a custom kernel that's only 0.0.6 notches higher than the kernel Debian gave me for free, and it's got bugs, and it's logging about bugs, and I don't want to research them or fix them or go back to the 0.0.6 points older kernel, so I will simply disable ALL LOGGING IN THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG" |
| 15:50.21 | james1138 | Ok. I shall start it again |
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| 15:56.13 | jhutchins_wk | webchat178: Is the vpn service running? |
| 15:56.34 | webchat178 | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 15:56.58 | jhutchins_wk | webchat178: Unless you have set up an iptables firewall, you should not need to do anything to "open" the port. |
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| 15:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | webchat178: Does netstat show it listening? |
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| 15:58.18 | webchat178 | jhutchins_wk: no |
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| 15:59.26 | webchat178 | I'm a fking idiot. I've flushed the iptables rules w/o stoping the firewall |
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| 16:01.21 | Kelsar | and default were drop i guess ^^ |
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| 16:09.32 | annadane | james1138, for future reference, "google told me" = bad |
| 16:09.40 | annadane | the internet can be wrong |
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| 16:11.16 | jelly | this irc channel is internet. |
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| 16:12.09 | rek | i configured gcc guys |
| 16:12.50 | jelly | annadane: and technically the internet wasn't wrong there. Killing every living thing in the household with cyanide gas will also get rid of the rats! |
| 16:13.23 | james1138 | <frown> I switched from Ubuntu to Debian for stability as well as speed. So.. I bow my bald head in shame and make a general cry for help to everyone. I am using 9.4 stretch but cannot spend every day fearing my hard drive gets full. Can I maybe make the Kern.log read-only?? |
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| 16:14.12 | mutante | how is "harddrive full" and "speed" even related to distro choice, heh |
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| 16:14.50 | jelly | james1138: for a start see if tuning kernel verbosity quiets the relevant lines |
| 16:14.53 | james1138 | Sorry Mutante. I am blathering a little. |
| 16:14.53 | jelly | !printk |
| 16:14.53 | dpkg | methinks printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 16:15.20 | jelly | or be more precise and configure rsyslog to not log exactly those evbug lines. |
| 16:15.21 | rek | native compiler or cross compiler? it's the same for me |
| 16:15.23 | mutante | james1138: you can use logrotate to make sure logs dont get too large |
| 16:15.36 | jelly | logrotate only runs once a day |
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| 16:15.46 | mutante | so you change the cron job? |
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| 16:16.19 | mutante | but if you dont have enough disk space to last a single day of regular logs... you should focus on getting more disk space i would say |
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| 16:16.21 | jelly | logrotate has a status file and code that assumes you're only going to run it once day and not more often |
| 16:16.35 | jhutchins_wk | james1138: For a normal system logging is quite normal and handled pretty well by the defaults. Logrotate keeps everything in /var/log/ under control; journalctl defaults to I think 10% of the /var/log/ volume. |
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| 16:17.07 | jhutchins_wk | james1138: Unless you have something drastically wrong with the system, dmesg shouldn't grow to an unreasonable size between boots. |
| 16:17.24 | james1138 | I have a 500 gig SSD but if I am creating half-gig files in less than 3 hrs... |
| 16:17.43 | rek | when will i specify i'll build gcc into /usr/local ? |
| 16:17.44 | meltingwax | if i install debian with a software multi-drive setup, can i boot from any of the disks or just the first one? i installed this way before and wanted the former but it didn't work (probably my fault) |
| 16:17.48 | mutante | that's not normal, you can run a system on 10G |
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| 16:18.05 | jhutchins_wk | james1138: dmesg is mostly active at boot, so an initial burst then it quiets down. |
| 16:18.09 | rek | greycat, |
| 16:18.29 | mutante | james1138: what is inside the log that grows _that_ much? that's not normal |
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| 16:20.26 | jhutchins_wk | Why are you doing this? |
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| 16:21.34 | james1138 | let me reboot and look at the log since I deleted it. Back in a few moments please. |
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| 16:26.17 | Ast001 | Hello why are buttons on my Firefox on Debian 8 Gnome so ugly with so big padding like this https://ibb.co/btnGg7 ? |
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| 16:27.08 | jhutchins_wk | rek: Why are you doing this again? |
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| 16:29.18 | jhutchins_wk | meltingwax: What do you mean by multi-drive? |
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| 16:29.33 | meltingwax | jhutchins_wk: RAID |
| 16:29.40 | meltingwax | jhutchins_wk: as in /dev/md0, mdadm |
| 16:30.29 | jhutchins_wk | meltingwax: I believe that what you can do is install grub on the root of each drive. I'm not entirely sure of the process. |
| 16:30.46 | meltingwax | jhutchins_wk: interesting, thanks |
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| 16:31.02 | meltingwax | i will have to experiment |
| 16:31.32 | jhutchins_wk | meltingwax: There is good documentation out there. |
| 16:31.34 | jhutchins_wk | !raid |
| 16:31.34 | dpkg | Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID) is a system of multiple hard drives for sharing or replicating data. Ask me about RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, <raid-resizing>, <rocketraid>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
| 16:31.58 | rek | what? |
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| 16:32.10 | rek | i want to build gcc 5 |
| 16:32.35 | jhutchins_wk | rek: Why? Why not use a .deb? |
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| 16:33.07 | james1138 | I am back. The kern.log is about 3 megs. I managed to copy it to home folder if anyone is interested in taking a look. |
| 16:33.18 | rek | no .deb exist |
| 16:33.32 | abrotman | rek: did you insatll build-essential? |
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| 16:34.21 | jhutchins_wk | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gcc-5 |
| 16:34.25 | Rembo | hello, i'm getting this: https://hastebin.com/xiwuwojotu.css |
| 16:34.29 | jhutchins_wk | rek: Sure there is. |
| 16:34.34 | greycat | gcc-5 is in sid only. |
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| 16:34.47 | greycat | I already did a ,checkbackport gcc-5 and it said "nope" |
| 16:34.50 | meltingwax | thanks jhutchins_wk |
| 16:34.51 | abrotman | I can't imagine that'd be much fun to attempt to backport it |
| 16:35.08 | Rembo | wget https://github.com/SpiderLabs/ModSecurity/archive/v2.8.0.tar.gz , i'm using Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 16:35.13 | greycat | I don't know what the fuck a CUDA is or why he wants it or why he thinks he needs gcc-5 (not gcc 6.3) to have it. |
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| 16:35.41 | Igel_ | >_< |
| 16:35.43 | abrotman | greycat: MPI-ish things for video cards |
| 16:36.00 | abrotman | nvidia-only video cards |
| 16:36.10 | greycat | abrotman: does it have anything to do with cryptocurrency farming? |
| 16:36.15 | abrotman | Yes |
| 16:36.20 | abrotman | maybe not in this context, but it can |
| 16:37.25 | Rembo | can someone help? |
| 16:38.03 | jhutchins_wk | Rembo: Your using an obsolete ssl suite that is defaulting to protocols that have been disabled by almost all public sites for security reasons. |
| 16:38.14 | webchat178 | Hello again guys (I'm the guy that flushed iptables rules earlier) I've setted iptables to accept all connections but i cant see the openvpn port being listened |
| 16:38.42 | mutante | if you accept ALL then it probably doent have to list a port?? |
| 16:38.51 | jhutchins_wk | webchat178: If the service is running successfully, perhaps you haven't configured it properly. |
| 16:38.53 | mutante | and says "any" instead |
| 16:39.18 | webchat178 | jhutchins_wk: I use a script that does it step by step |
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| 16:39.45 | jhutchins_wk | webchat178: Where did you get the script? |
| 16:39.56 | jhutchins_wk | !openvpn |
| 16:39.56 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see https://bugs.debian.org/785200 (fixed at openvpn 2.3.4-5+deb8u1, ask me about <spu>). https://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. See also <easy-rsa>. |
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| 16:41.11 | jhutchins_wk | ,v openvpn |
| 16:41.13 | judd | Package: openvpn on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-security: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1; stretch: 2.4.0-6+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.4.4-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.5-1; sid: 2.4.5-1 |
| 16:41.25 | Igel_ | ,v cjdns |
| 16:41.25 | jhutchins_wk | ,v gcc-5 |
| 16:41.26 | judd | No package named 'cjdns' was found in amd64. |
| 16:41.27 | judd | Package: gcc-5 on amd64 -- sid: 5.5.0-12 |
| 16:41.31 | Igel_ | lame+ |
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| 16:44.12 | webchat178 | jhutchins_wk: its PiVPN |
| 16:45.13 | jhutchins_wk | webchat178: So not a Debian package, not something we should be expected to support. |
| 16:45.28 | Rembo | jhutchins_wk: can you please help to solve this? |
| 16:45.51 | jhutchins_wk | Rembo: Your using an obsolete ssl suite that is defaulting to protocols that have been disabled by almost all public sites for security reasons. |
| 16:46.36 | jhutchins_wk | Rembo: It's likely you aren't going to be able to get wget to work with that old an istallation. You could download the package on a different machine and transfer it. |
| 16:47.03 | jhutchins_wk | Rembo: You should consider upgrading, you're five releases back. |
| 16:47.08 | Rembo | jhutchins_wk: i cannot upgrade |
| 16:47.27 | Rembo | if i download wget from an newer debian version it will work? |
| 16:47.50 | jhutchins_wk | Rembo: Probably not. Mixing releases usually results in an unusable system. |
| 16:47.59 | Igel_ | it probably will |
| 16:48.18 | jhutchins_wk | Rembo: Besides, it's really openssl that provides the protocols. |
| 16:48.18 | Igel_ | if you use -s , it will do simulation mode (not really install) |
| 16:48.43 | Igel_ | you can see, like jhutchins_wk is saying, any new packages that need upgraded, like openssl |
| 16:49.02 | hypn0 | 5 versions is around a decade old :-/ |
| 16:49.06 | Igel_ | sometimes you can tell how dramatic the changes is |
| 16:49.10 | jhutchins_wk | Igel_: He's on 5.x. |
| 16:49.28 | Ast001 | How to change default theme in gnome dconf ? |
| 16:49.44 | Igel_ | i would just download the wget sourcecode, and build it |
| 16:49.58 | jhutchins_wk | Igel_: wget is not the problem. |
| 16:50.14 | Igel_ | the dependencies, yes, build everything |
| 16:50.35 | hypn0 | I would get a drive and back everything up, then install 9.x :-) |
| 16:50.46 | Igel_ | 5.x is quite limiting.. |
| 16:50.51 | Igel_ | yeah |
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| 16:51.29 | Igel_ | limiting in terms of new tech, limited by kernel etc.. |
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| 16:52.10 | Igel_ | eg; if you -really- needed wget asap, you could just get/build with some docker stuff.. |
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| 16:52.36 | hypn0 | or use a live version :-/ |
| 16:52.40 | Igel_ | ah true |
| 16:53.02 | Igel_ | great thing is, you're in debian =) |
| 16:53.24 | jhutchins_wk | Like I said, download the file on another system and transfer it. |
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| 17:12.48 | jhutchins_wk | https://github.com/major/MySQLTuner-perl |
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| 17:15.03 | rek | i need lib isl different from 15 to compile gcc 5 |
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| 17:15.21 | rek | is there libisl 14 for stretch? |
| 17:15.26 | greycat | Would it be easier to set up a sid chroot and do your gcc-5/CUDA stuff there? |
| 17:15.43 | greycat | !debootstrap |
| 17:15.43 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 17:16.41 | rek | this must be advanced stuff...sounds creamy... i don't know |
| 17:17.01 | greycat | It's gotta be a hell of a lot easier than what you're trying to do now. |
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| 17:26.21 | Matt``` | so I got a NUC, it seems if I boot it with no display turned on, when I turn the display on I get "no signal" |
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| 17:29.00 | NetTerminalGene | i use wayland on debian 8. would it cause data corrupt or something? or i will encounter with visual bugs? |
| 17:31.01 | jhutchins_wk | !wayland |
| 17:31.01 | dpkg | Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:31.44 | jhutchins_wk | NetTerminalGene: It will chase the neighbor's kids down the street with your snowblower!!! |
| 17:32.24 | greycat | I don't really see the value in running some bleeding-edge WIP display system on oldstable. |
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| 17:33.09 | NetTerminalGene | jhutchins_wk, i am serious! >.< |
| 17:33.21 | greycat | especially given the huge changes in video drivers in current stable |
| 17:33.45 | NetTerminalGene | animations more smooth with wayland |
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| 17:34.12 | NetTerminalGene | and now firefox 60 supports disabling titlebar :D |
| 17:34.35 | greycat | but why *jessie* |
| 17:34.57 | NetTerminalGene | what? |
| 17:35.10 | greycat | 13:29 NetTerminalGene> i use wayland on debian 8. |
| 17:35.20 | jhutchins_wk | NetTerminalGene: If we could predict all possible bugs and errors we'd be rich, but usually normal packages are not expected to cause data loss. |
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| 17:35.45 | jhutchins_wk | NetTerminalGene: Then again, anything you don't have a reliable, tested, restorable backup of is not really yours anyway. |
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| 17:36.37 | shtrb | hi greycat, is there any chance you remember how you solved the I217 ethenet (e1000e) in jessy not working after rebooting from Windows but working when doing full shutdown ? |
| 17:36.45 | hypn0 | why do you need a 3d gui :-/ |
| 17:36.50 | shtrb | I remember you had some workaround, but I can't find it a ywhere |
| 17:38.09 | NetTerminalGene | greycat, because i use debian 8? |
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| 17:38.32 | NetTerminalGene | and it has wayland option |
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| 17:39.09 | hypn0 | surely you use programs not the os :-/ with 3d |
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| 18:02.56 | shtrb | greycat, ? |
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| 18:07.16 | Psi-Jack | Man. That silent little _systemd_is_evil is just everywhere. Why? LOL |
| 18:08.37 | shtrb | Psi-Jack, #d-o |
| 18:08.50 | Psi-Jack | #d-o? |
| 18:08.58 | shtrb | !offtopic |
| 18:08.58 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 18:10.00 | Psi-Jack | I'd think -ops would be more appropriate, on that matter... |
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| 18:10.40 | shtrb | I don't see how , it's enough to ask in a different place (but that is offtopic) |
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| 18:30.16 | rek | at the end of the game i must tell the sys to use gcc 5 in ubuntu i used to do that with update alternatives i don't remember |
| 18:30.41 | greycat | just make /usr/bin/gcc a symlink to it |
| 18:31.07 | greycat | it's done directly, not through update-alternatives, on Debian; I don't know why |
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| 18:37.59 | Namll | Hello, i am trying to add a network interface for my college. At home i have a sepereate interface file for my wifi and it just needs the SSID and the psk. At my college we have a username and password to authenticate. is there a resource handy for this type of setup. From my phone wifi settings it says its WPA/WPA2 Enterprise with a secuirty sub type of PEAP |
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| 18:41.54 | srukle | Namll: what tool are you using or is that your question? Does ls /sys/class/net help? |
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| 18:45.47 | Namll | I want to create a interface file for my college to switch to, but i am unsure of the credentials needed to do a succesfull connection. On my phone it just automates everything. On my laptop I do everything manually (learning purposes) so i have a interface file for each of my wifi connections i can switch between. And I want to make one for my college which requires a username and password instead of just ssid and password. here is an |
| 18:45.48 | Namll | example of my home wifi interface file https://paste.debian.net/1024032/ |
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| 18:46.40 | Namll | srukle: I found this i might try to replicate https://askubuntu.com/questions/682135/how-to-connect-to-protected-eap-peap-wifi-via-terminal but it says at the bottom wpa-pac-file, which i am not sure how i would get that for my school. or if its needed |
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| 18:48.06 | Namll | if i just have to add wpa-identity and wpa-password, that seems easy enough, but all the extra properties unsure if needed. |
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| 18:51.49 | drzacek | Hello there |
| 18:51.57 | drzacek | need help with broken apt |
| 18:52.09 | Namll | when I scan with iw dev wlp3s0 scan, i get this info https://paste.debian.net/1024034/ |
| 18:52.39 | drzacek | needed to install libsdl2-dev:i386 on 64bit, one package borked everything |
| 18:52.54 | drzacek | http://paste.debian.net/1024030/ |
| 18:53.28 | drzacek | tried fiddling with the .deb package like suggested here https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770265 but ended up with further problems |
| 18:53.29 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/770265 in dh-python (open): «gir1.2-ibus-1.0: fails to install in multiarch setting: dpkg-query --listfiles called with ambiguous package name»; severity: important; opened: 2014-11-20; last modified: 2018-04-24. |
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| 18:54.35 | drzacek | http://paste.debian.net/1024035/ now the amd64 package cries |
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| 18:56.33 | TheC0D3R | hi blaztek |
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| 19:35.21 | yasser | \h |
| 19:35.27 | yasser | help |
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| 19:43.05 | Dirkson | Hey all. Where is vmlinuz for debian testing? I would have assumed /boot/, but it only contains an older version. |
| 19:43.54 | greycat | Try installing the linux-image-amd64 metapackage, or whatever is appropriate for your arch. |
| 19:44.16 | Dirkson | greycat: It's installed, and I've reinstalled it like five times now :D |
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| 19:49.04 | nkuttler | Dirkson: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 19:50.53 | Dirkson | There we go. Manually removed the actual linux-image-4.16.0-1-amd64 package and reinstalled it, and that seemed to do the trick. |
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| 19:56.56 | Dirkson | Oh ugh. The kernel+nvidia driver handed to me by testing don't appear to work together. Anyone have a suggestion? |
| 19:57.39 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 19:57.40 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:03.50 | lol768 | Why does openssh-client provide rsh-client |
| 20:03.56 | lol768 | They're fundamentally different protocols |
| 20:04.17 | greycat | From the client POV, ssh is a drop-in replacement for rsh. |
| 20:04.44 | lol768 | The SSH utility supports the legacy plaintext rsh protocol? |
| 20:05.03 | greycat | No. It supports the same crazy argument-concatenating syntax when used in a shell script. |
| 20:05.20 | lol768 | But the underlying protocol is different |
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| 20:05.43 | greycat | Your shell script does not care about that. |
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| 20:05.55 | lol768 | The fact is, if you have an old box running r-services the SSH utilities are not an acceptable alternative |
| 20:06.03 | lol768 | They do not provide support for the old protocol |
| 20:06.13 | lol768 | Scripts will not seamlessly work |
| 20:06.15 | greycat | ,file bin/rlogin |
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| 20:06.20 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 20:08.47 | greycat | oh, it's called "netkit-rsh" and "netkit-rlogin", harumph./ |
| 20:08.56 | greycat | Way to make it utterly impossible to find, Debian. |
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| 20:10.37 | greycat | If you need the legacy remote shell, install rsh-client, which contains the oh-so-intuitively-named /usr/bin/netkit-rsh program, which you can then select in update-alternatives --config rsh |
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| 20:14.01 | lol768 | Yup, aware the package exists |
| 20:14.16 | greycat | Then what's the problem? |
| 20:14.43 | lol768 | I just know a large number of people (including myself) have been caught out by the rsh command seemingly existing but actually pointing at a command which supports an entirely different protocol |
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| 20:15.22 | greycat | As I said, it's for legacy shell scripts that use rsh. When rsh -> ssh, the script actually runs ssh, and as long as key auth has been properly set up, the script still works. Because the API is the same. |
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| 20:16.49 | greycat | The fact that you have to set up key auth instead of editing ~/.rhosts is just a back-end problem. |
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| 20:18.45 | lol768 | ssh supports some of the same options that the rsh client supports (namely -l, -n and the kerberos related switches) |
| 20:19.31 | greycat | And the crazy-stupid "$*" thing. |
| 20:19.34 | lol768 | it doesn't implement -d (and exits as soon as it sees an unknown option) |
| 20:20.22 | greycat | I really wish it had support for proper argument list serialization instead of the rsh way. But hey, gotta keep us busy writing FAQ pages, right. |
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| 20:38.54 | OtakuSenpai | ,v intellij |
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| 20:48.45 | r3 | quick question: is using badblocks to test the integrity of a drive OK if SMART isn't supported? (Compact Flash module) - is there a better utility? |
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| 20:56.11 | Tom__ | i think badblocks doesn't use SMART in either case |
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| 20:59.08 | r3 | Tom__: I meant, that since SMART testing isn't available to me, is using badblocks testing a good way to go about it, or is there a different tool I should be using |
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| 21:03.59 | jhutchins_wk | r3: What are you atually trying to determine? |
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| 21:06.13 | r3 | sorry I didn't mean for this to turn into a big thing: I aquired several CF cards I intend to use in a project. I wanted to determine if these cards are any good. Since I don't really have any experience testing "Drives" that don't support some form of SMART test, I turned to badblocks and writing zeros to them using dd. I was just wondering if there was a better tool for the job. :) |
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| 21:08.36 | bites | r3: badblocks is fine for that. not sure about the dd part, just do a destructive read-write test with badblocks if you don't care about the data. |
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| 21:09.22 | KindaNoob | hoi |
| 21:09.38 | r3 | very good, I've done the destructive testing with several passes and they look fine. Thanks for the input! :) |
| 21:09.39 | KindaNoob | How to add script for autorun? |
| 21:09.53 | KindaNoob | I can't find any proper manual for it |
| 21:09.55 | bites | r3: though if you want to use them you can use e2fsck -cc, which adds found blocks to the bad block inode, which prevents the filesystem from allocating those sectors. |
| 21:10.21 | bites | r3: e2fsck -cc uses badblocks for that. |
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| 21:10.31 | r3 | oh neat, bites, I didn't know that. Thanks |
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| 21:47.43 | rek | compiling gcc takes some time on an old lazy machine |
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| 21:53.07 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 21:53.26 | Azrael_- | can you suggest some backup software which also works well for backing up windows? |
| 21:53.46 | hassoon | backing up windows? |
| 21:53.59 | Azrael_- | correct |
| 21:54.09 | rant | Azrael_-: I'd rely on the built-in stuff for windows.. something aware of its registry and such |
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| 21:54.21 | hassoon | how about makign a whole .iso copy of a whole windows partition from within a gnu/linux debian OS using the dd command, Azrael_- |
| 21:54.28 | rant | if you want to backup apps and app data and such and making it all work again |
| 21:54.31 | hassoon | * making * |
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| 21:54.50 | crimson_king | What is the group that will grant me user access to printer configuration in GNOME? |
| 21:54.51 | Azrael_- | hassoon: this would mean only offline backups but i don't want to put them offline. everything has to be done online |
| 21:55.14 | Azrael_- | rant: my main focus i jsut files, not the whole system |
| 21:55.21 | hassoon | Azrael_-: meh..making a dd then uploading it ? |
| 21:55.56 | rant | crimson_king: not sure, but I'd try lp and cups.. but it may be using polkit or something and not actually use group permissions |
| 21:55.57 | Azrael_- | hassoon: feel free to tell me how to make a valid dd-copy while windows is running and somebody is working on it. that's what i mean with online |
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| 21:56.11 | hassoon | Azrael_-: ah |
| 21:56.34 | rant | Azrael_-: rsync over samba or such perhaps? |
| 21:56.48 | crimson_king | rant: I'm already on lpadmin, I thought that would do it |
| 21:57.02 | crimson_king | maybe sys or lp, I'll give it a shot |
| 21:57.02 | hassoon | Azrael_-: maybe a bash/terminal environment layer on top of windows? I heard recent windows 10 versions offer that, and from there you can run dd or whatever |
| 21:57.13 | Azrael_- | rant: before going for such basic stuff i'll resolve to bacula with windows-client. hoped there were better solutions |
| 21:57.43 | Azrael_- | hassoon: still won't provide a consistent backup |
| 21:58.15 | hassoon | strange debian stretch acts abit laggy after updating from jessie |
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| 21:59.07 | rant | crimson_king: are you seeing a password dialog that perhaps has polkit information or such? |
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| 21:59.22 | crimson_king | rant: yes, asking for root permission |
| 21:59.25 | rant | usually those gnome based auth dialogs tell you what policy they use |
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| 21:59.53 | rant | once you know its using polkit and which policy it is, you can follow standard polkit proceedures to grant access however you likee |
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| 22:00.07 | scwizard | so when I send emails to debian-cloud@lists.debian.org |
| 22:00.13 | scwizard | does anyone actually get them? |
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| 22:01.19 | rant | scwizard: presumably anyone subscribed to that list would get them |
| 22:01.38 | scwizard | then why no reply :( |
| 22:02.12 | rant | "Either they don't know, they don't show, or they just don't care (about being a menace to south central while they drink their juice in the hood)" |
| 22:02.36 | scwizard | this page lists us-east-2 twice and us-east-1 0 times :( https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Stretch |
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| 22:06.41 | crimson_king | I can print, but scanner doesn't show up here on GNOME's default scanning app, what could it be? |
| 22:07.11 | crimson_king | "No scanner available" it says |
| 22:07.44 | rant | crimson_king: is it an all-in-one? hp? |
| 22:07.48 | crimson_king | yes |
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| 22:08.02 | rant | crimson_king: have you installed the hpijs software? |
| 22:08.08 | crimson_king | no, nothing |
| 22:08.14 | crimson_king | wait a sec |
| 22:08.37 | rant | I've not had any issues with an HP device using their packages provided by debian |
| 22:08.51 | crimson_king | what is the name of the package? |
| 22:08.58 | crimson_king | of what I must install |
| 22:09.04 | rant | ,i hpijs |
| 22:09.05 | judd | No package named 'hpijs' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 22:09.14 | crimson_king | I found printer-driver-hpijs |
| 22:09.20 | crimson_king | is this it? |
| 22:09.33 | rant | ,i hplip |
| 22:09.35 | judd | Package hplip (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). Version: 3.16.11+repack0-3; Size: 141.3k; Installed: 316k; Homepage: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/hplip |
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| 22:10.12 | rant | it'll give you a blue HP icon in your notification area, and a HP settings tool for configuring HP print/scan/fax stuff |
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| 22:10.35 | crimson_king | will gnome's simple scan work afterwards? |
| 22:10.54 | crimson_king | I prefer the cleanest approach there is, using whatever is default instead of adding more |
| 22:11.16 | rant | it should.. the driver you mentioned is probably all you NEED but then you gotta do all the config yourself.. hplip handles all that, you never have to touch any cups/sane stuff |
| 22:11.29 | crimson_king | all right, i'll try |
| 22:11.42 | rant | it also allows you to monitor ink levels and all that kinda crap |
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| 22:19.13 | crimson_king | hplip was already installed. The only 'hpijs' I see here is hpijs-ppds |
| 22:20.12 | crimson_king | that printer-driver-hpijs was already installed as well |
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| 22:25.55 | rant | run the hplip tool then hp-toolbox |
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| 22:27.13 | rant | the only thing I had issues with was getting send to pc to work on those wireless setups.. the acquiring from the linux side always worked fine |
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| 22:29.53 | rant | I wonder what genius named that "HP Linux Printing and Imaging" instead of "HP Linux Imaging and Printing" considering its HPLIP not HPLPI |
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| 22:33.00 | crimson_king | do I need Xsane for simple scan to work? |
| 22:33.35 | crimson_king | I found some tools that start with hp, such as hp-check. It shows a lot of errors, mostly missing packages |
| 22:34.03 | crimson_king | xsane is one of them. "xsane needs to be installed" it says |
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| 22:37.58 | hypn0 | simple-scan works here |
| 22:38.53 | hypn0 | or did in 8, haven't tried in 9 yet :-) |
| 22:40.14 | crimson_king | I'll reboot and try some packages on my own. If I get it working, I'll make sure to let you know how |
| 22:40.21 | hypn0 | I think you only need the sane library |
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| 22:50.17 | Azrael_- | would you suggest to go for bacula 9 instead of 7.4 for a new productive installation? |
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| 22:59.53 | michael2 | hi all. I have urxvt set to use URxvt.font: xft:Monospace:pixelsize=15 |
| 23:00.05 | michael2 | but when I run `fc-list' I dont see "Monospace" or "xft" in the output, why is that? |
| 23:00.46 | michael2 | how do I identify/list out the font that rxvt uses out of the list of installed fonts |
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| 23:05.49 | frazr | Anyone had problems with settings http/https proxy settings via terminal? |
| 23:05.58 | frazr | /etc/environment doesn't seem to work |
| 23:06.16 | frazr | fucking chrome, refuses to apply the proxy |
| 23:06.23 | SlidingHorn | !language | frazr |
| 23:06.43 | frazr | heckin poo chrome refuses to apply the proxy |
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| 23:11.44 | frazr | tried all possible solutions now, nothing seems to work |
| 23:11.46 | frazr | bu-hu |
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| 23:19.47 | michael2 | proxy settings are hard - and non obvious |
| 23:20.30 | michael2 | are you disabling proxing for any hosts? |
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| 23:20.47 | michael2 | e.g. localhost, 127.0.0.1? |
| 23:21.56 | michael2 | are you using the correct protocol ? i.e. is SOCKS being applied to your connections? |
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| 23:23.52 | frazr | michael2: yeah its http&https proxy, running privoxy |
| 23:24.08 | frazr | works fine testing in firefox |
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| 23:24.32 | michael2 | but you dont want to use firefox? |
| 23:24.36 | frazr | no :) |
| 23:25.05 | frazr | ideally i'd simply run https_proxy=blabla chrome or chrome --proxy-server=blabla |
| 23:25.13 | frazr | should work, but doesnt |
| 23:25.24 | michael2 | can you netstat active connections? is chrome connecting to your local SOCKS entry point? |
| 23:26.19 | michael2 | what if you configure through the GUI? what about if you run in incognito mode or in a different chrome user account? |
| 23:26.46 | frazr | dont have any gui for that |
| 23:27.00 | frazr | unless theres some simple gtk app that does that |
| 23:27.10 | frazr | probably is.. :) |
| 23:27.33 | michael2 | are you running headless chrome? |
| 23:27.52 | frazr | like starting with --incognito ? |
| 23:28.19 | frazr | unless its a default arg no |
| 23:28.36 | michael2 | I dont know how to start incognito from command line |
| 23:28.57 | frazr | thats how u do it |
| 23:29.05 | frazr | didnt work , can try with the env vars too |
| 23:29.50 | frazr | nopes : |
| 23:29.51 | frazr | :/ |
| 23:30.12 | michael2 | yeah, it seems thats how you do it - not surprising it didn't work though... |
| 23:30.35 | michael2 | are you running headless chrome? why don't you have GUI menu? |
| 23:31.43 | frazr | hmm |
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| 23:31.50 | frazr | i guess its chrome thats shit |
| 23:31.55 | frazr | tried curl ifconfig.co |
| 23:32.00 | frazr | and thats proxied |
| 23:32.35 | frazr | sigh.. |
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| 23:36.15 | cef | frazr: tried running chrome directly with `--proxy-server=host:port` on the command line to ensure chromes proxy support isn't just totally broken? |
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| 23:37.11 | frazr | cef: yup |
| 23:38.09 | cef | frazr: only thing I could suggest in the meantime then is using that, maybe pass $http_proxy on the command line so it's the same system wide var. |
| 23:38.11 | frazr | seems like it takes proxy settings from the DE |
| 23:38.26 | frazr | since im running a faily uncommon one i guess it doesnt know where to look |
| 23:38.59 | frazr | tried both setting in environment and passing when executing chrome and exporting in session |
| 23:39.05 | frazr | dont know if theres any other way :) |
| 23:39.40 | cef | if it's just one user, chrome has settings in it somewhere for proxies |
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| 23:39.55 | cef | better if it just worked the other way tho. |
| 23:39.57 | frazr | i dont think it has ? |
| 23:40.04 | frazr | it just opens up gsettings when in gnome for example |
| 23:40.42 | crimson_king | After installing everything related to HPLIP and trying the GUI, I still can't scan. Here's the result of hp-check: https://paste.gnome.org/pdqi4xs64 |
| 23:41.00 | crimson_king | PS: I don't have non-free enabled |
| 23:41.18 | cef | frazr: Ahh yeah, you're right.. here it opens NetworkManager. hrm |
| 23:41.41 | frazr | https://imgur.com/KfoOzI5 |
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| 23:42.03 | frazr | Should work to set via --proxy-server, since it clearly says that |
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| 23:43.34 | KindaNoob | How make script run at log on? |
| 23:45.40 | frazr | Use google |
| 23:46.40 | annadane | i don't think telling people to use google is especially helpful |
| 23:47.25 | SlidingHorn | KindaNoob: what desktop environment/window manager are you using? |
| 23:49.20 | frazr | No its not, and for basic questions that you could find the answer in 10 seconds you shouldnt be helpful either, had this discussion before |
| 23:50.06 | kot | rolls eyes |
| 23:51.10 | frazr | Last time i was complaining about that myself in this same channel i believe, but got convinved that it does no good answering those types of questions |
| 23:51.13 | frazr | roll away |
| 23:51.20 | KindaNoob | SlidingHorn xfce |
| 23:52.14 | kot | fine, then don't. just don't tell others what not to do. |
| 23:52.54 | KindaNoob | I tried rc.local, but it doesn't work |
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| 23:54.43 | annadane | devils advocate position is 1) this is a _help channel_ and 2) using google is often wrong |
| 23:54.54 | annadane | search result: ubuntu forums from 7 years ago, no longer relevant |
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| 23:56.17 | annadane | 3) now is a noob (self professed in their name) supposed to know which of the search results is correct? |
| 23:56.18 | SlidingHorn | KindaNoob: easy method - Menu > Settings Manager > Session and Startup > Application Autostart tab |
| 23:56.33 | annadane | there you go: someone gave a concrete answer |
| 23:56.45 | annadane | don't punish the newbies; punish the people who should know better |
| 23:57.03 | annadane | s/now/how |
| 23:57.24 | frazr | Learning by trial and error and reading like we all did, but whatever you keep on filling up the channel with discussions of that nature |
| 23:57.56 | KindaNoob | So there is no common solution? |
| 23:58.21 | annadane | i think the CLI approach is to run it as a cron job |
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| 23:58.48 | annadane | there's possibly a GUI frontend for it |
| 23:59.26 | rjsalts | I don't think there is an event for login with cron, just @reboot |
| 23:59.28 | KindaNoob | does cron have event-based launch? |