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| 00:01.25 | nezZario | Uh, .. I have some array of hope here |
| 00:01.56 | Thedarkb-X40 | somiaj, This laptop predates PCIe though. |
| 00:02.19 | Thedarkb-X40 | My WiFi card, graphics and modem are all on the same bus. |
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| 00:04.35 | mindloop | somiaj, I am sure there is a salient, cross distro command that can break down egg-zactly the driver your machine is using. There tends to be a distinction between hardware and drivers. Hence my question. |
| 00:05.04 | mindloop | Someone told me here but I forgot. |
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| 00:05.35 | nezZario | This is probably a little too niche, but, ... anyone know where I mind find some information about why losetup isn't working? Or.. any idea what's going on here? I'm doing .... losetup -v -j /media/myuser/longuuid/myvol-root.ext4fs /dev/loop0 .... and I get no output (even with -v) .. no useful information in syslog, either. Afterwards, there are no loop devices are in use (losetup --all and losetup --list produce no |
| 00:05.35 | nezZario | output) |
| 00:06.01 | nezZario | Just, nothing. |
| 00:06.09 | nezZario | So perhaps I just am not connecting the loop device properly |
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| 00:06.19 | somiaj | mindloop: lshw will list all hardware and let you know what kernel module is loaded and assoicated with your hardware (if any), but this may not list the xorg driver used. |
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| 00:06.59 | somiaj | but to me what graphics driver am I using is more an xy problem. |
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| 00:08.26 | michael2 | I just downloaded a font file and put it into the location: |
| 00:08.30 | michael2 | /home/user1/.fonts/System San Francisco Display Thin.ttf |
| 00:10.07 | michael2 | then I did `fc-cache -fv' and now I try to, search for, and match the font, with `fc-match' "System San Franciso" and fc-match returns |
| 00:10.09 | michael2 | LiberationSans-Regular.ttf: "Liberation Sans" "Regular" |
| 00:10.14 | michael2 | anyone know why? |
| 00:11.05 | michael2 | I expected fc-match to show the "System San Franciso" font |
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| 00:11.26 | nezZario | Uh, disregard my question above about losetup. Long story short, if you're going to read a man page, actually read it instead of just skimming the synopsis |
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| 00:17.39 | nezZario | hm .. i wonder if it's possible to recover my home directory ... does anyone know any software that works specifically with ext3/4 filesystems and data recovery? basically waht happened was, .. and it was bizarre, but, i did a fsck and it did a few but not many modifications, and then let me mount it, but the system still wouldn't boot, but my home directory was still there.... so I re-ran fsck and this time it came up with |
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| 00:38.31 | somiaj | nezZario: sounds like your system shtudown without unmounting your file system. |
| 00:39.01 | somiaj | there is software, but if you want recovery you should 1) unmount the file system imidetally. 2) make an image of it, 3) use the recovery software on the image. I don't know any off hand. |
| 00:41.39 | nezZario | somiaj: That's what I am working with, a file-based image of the disk on a usb stick. and yes, that's what happened. not even a power outage, funny enough, I just had moved some things around, and had the poewr strip exposed kind of sitting out in the open and my daughter kicked it enough that it unplugged. |
| 00:44.38 | somiaj | well I would check lost+found first |
| 00:46.00 | somiaj | nezZario: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/file_recovery -- seems extundelete is in debian |
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| 01:09.08 | foul_owl | How do I replace the nvidia driver from the repos with the driver from nvidia's site? |
| 01:09.20 | foul_owl | Mainly concerned about the "uninstall" stage |
| 01:09.34 | foul_owl | I know how to run the .run file of course |
| 01:10.44 | somiaj | In general you don't want to do that. |
| 01:10.56 | somiaj | in debian use the nvidia driver provided by debian. |
| 01:11.00 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 01:11.01 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 390.48-3; sid/non- |
| 01:11.02 | judd | free: 390.48-3 |
| 01:11.18 | somiaj | often the newer ones are provided in stretch-backports, so if you need a newer version you can get 390.48 from stretch-backports. |
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| 01:14.33 | foul_owl | Ok, so the driver in the repos doesn't support cuda 9 |
| 01:14.49 | foul_owl | That's my issue |
| 01:15.11 | foul_owl | I'm working on a scientific computing project for school that requires cuda 9 to compile |
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| 01:15.55 | foul_owl | The driver in the repos is too outdated :( |
| 01:16.10 | foul_owl | I'm on Jessie |
| 01:16.23 | foul_owl | I don't have time to wipe my system and do a full OS reinstall |
| 01:16.39 | foul_owl | I actually tried that but getting some bug with stretch where i get a blank screen and no tty |
| 01:16.44 | dvs | foul_owl, you don't have to do a reinstall to go to stretch |
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| 01:17.02 | foul_owl | Ah do a distro upgrade |
| 01:17.05 | foul_owl | Hmmm |
| 01:17.52 | somiaj | you could remove all nvidia packages and isntall the nvidia drivers form upstream if you really want. This will put your system in a state that things may break, and it would make upgrading to stretch way harder. |
| 01:17.58 | foul_owl | 390.48 supports cuda 9? and all the cuda 9 packages are in the stretch repos? |
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| 01:18.43 | foul_owl | I have a second hard drive with the failed stretch install on it, I'm planning on migrating but so far my attempts to debug the black screen issue have failed. It's especially frustrating that systemd doesn't provide ttys by defaul |
| 01:18.54 | foul_owl | So I'm screwed, can't enable ttys because I have a black screen |
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| 01:19.09 | foul_owl | Yes, I tried safe mode, all that, still black screen |
| 01:19.32 | foul_owl | My only guess is that for some reason stretch doesn't support my 4k tv which I'm using as a monitor (but works fine on my jessie install) |
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| 01:21.07 | foul_owl | My graphics card has 5 outputs....running my tv off the hdmi output...it seems my bios is smart enough to pick the right one, but stretch is not? |
| 01:21.20 | foul_owl | 1x dvi, 3x display port, 1x hdmi |
| 01:21.49 | foul_owl | SOrry running it off the dvi is what I meant |
| 01:21.54 | somiaj | you might find disabling the nvidia driver and just go back to nouveau can help during the upgrade process (also not running xorg) |
| 01:22.06 | somiaj | or even the debugging process |
| 01:22.39 | foul_owl | An upgrade is off the table, too risky with no fallback. I have two SSDs, one with jessie, one with stretch. I would prefer to debug the stretch install |
| 01:22.56 | foul_owl | That way I just swap the drives to fallback |
| 01:23.01 | foul_owl | Which I've had to do |
| 01:23.20 | foul_owl | So I guess my question now becomes: |
| 01:23.26 | somiaj | go disable the graphical.target in the stretch install and just use multi-user.target, so you don't boot into xorg, that could help |
| 01:23.27 | foul_owl | How do I tell grub I need ttys? |
| 01:23.37 | foul_owl | Still get a black screen when I do that |
| 01:23.46 | somiaj | that is outside of grub, grub only points at the kernel |
| 01:24.04 | foul_owl | Ok I can't even get a terminal when I'm booting |
| 01:24.08 | foul_owl | Just a black screen |
| 01:24.09 | somiaj | To me an install doesn't take to long, I would almost reinstall if you are unsure how to debug your install. |
| 01:24.26 | somiaj | so you see grub, then after you select to boot stretch, you get no output what so ever? |
| 01:24.30 | foul_owl | I have reinstalled several times here |
| 01:24.35 | foul_owl | Correct |
| 01:24.51 | foul_owl | Like I said, I think the bios picks the correct output from my video card, but stretch does not |
| 01:25.00 | somiaj | I woudl at least disable the nvidia module, so you don't have a tainted kernel. |
| 01:25.02 | foul_owl | jessie does however |
| 01:25.16 | somiaj | might just be you need to rebuild the initramfs, but at this point I'm only guessing. |
| 01:25.19 | foul_owl | How do I disable the nvidia module in grub? |
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| 01:25.56 | somiaj | you might have to just remove it, or blacklist it and unblack list nouveau. |
| 01:26.08 | foul_owl | Honestly I blame systemd :P |
| 01:26.19 | somiaj | I'm unsure if there is a flag you can disable it from grub. Grub is actually quite limited, and using a resuce system is better |
| 01:26.29 | foul_owl | Urg ok understood |
| 01:26.32 | somiaj | well since jessie and stretch both use systemd, seems like you just want to join the blame systemd banwagon |
| 01:26.45 | foul_owl | I know, I'm just joking |
| 01:26.59 | foul_owl | Sorry |
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| 01:28.17 | somiaj | so when installing stretch, did it work up to the time you installed the nvidia drivers? Or have you not even goten to the point of isntalling those drivers (I don't think you can isntall them during the installer stage) |
| 01:28.48 | foul_owl | Yes, no video drivers were selected by me |
| 01:28.53 | foul_owl | The entire install worked fine |
| 01:29.03 | foul_owl | I have not been able to boot into it once yet |
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| 01:29.34 | foul_owl | What mechanism is responsible for choosing the output port for my video card? |
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| 01:32.12 | somiaj | kinda depends on how you boot, if using uefi, you should be able to pass the uefi settings straight to the os, but maybe it nouveau driver is loading and causing problems. What nvidia card do you have? |
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| 02:57.40 | jeb | I'm in a state where most apt-get commands prompt me to apt --fix-broken install, and when I do *that*, dpkg complains of dependency problems, for example: "glx-alternative-nvidia depends on glx-diversions (= 0.8.3); however: / Package glx-diversions is not installed." Trying to install glx-diversions with `dpkg --install glx-diversions` gives "dpkg: error: cannot access archive 'glx-diversions': No such file or directory". How can I get |
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| 02:59.43 | themill | jeb: apt download package name; you might also do better with #debian-next for testing/unstable support |
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| 03:00.25 | somiaj | jeb: note #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net (different network) |
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| 03:03.24 | jeb | themill: I can't join #debian-next without invitation, apparently. |
| 03:03.33 | themill | jeb: what somiaj said |
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| 03:04.13 | SlidingHorn | jeb: you have to go to the one on oftc.net |
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| 03:05.11 | jeb | SlidingHorn: Ah, found it. Thanks. |
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| 03:12.24 | davesp | jeb, have you tried putting all of the packages on the same command line, as in "apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 ..."? |
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| 04:43.19 | SirLagz | anyone still use ALSA and swaps their Left and Right channels? I've had them swapped via a .asoundrc config for ages, but after upgrading to kernel 4.6.0-9, it's suddenly stopped working. Anyone experienced the same? |
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| 04:44.48 | SirLagz | I used the same config as this answer - https://superuser.com/a/59488 |
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| 04:50.11 | FXpro | can someone help me please |
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| 04:53.20 | Pavel | What's the cleanest way to add firmware that's not packaged for Debian or any of its derivatives (as far as I can tell)? In particular, I have a graphics device (Ryzen 5 2400G APU) that seems to call for firmware (amdgpu/raven_gpu_info.bin and perhaps others) that is not packaged for any Debian but is available at linux-firmare.git. |
| 04:53.43 | cluelessperson | I have a question |
| 04:54.02 | cluelessperson | in debian, the permissions here ARE 555 |
| 04:54.11 | Pavel | I've tried grabbing the bin files from there, and putting them into /usr/local/lib/firmware/amdgpu, but that doesn't seem to help. How do I make the system search there? |
| 04:54.12 | cluelessperson | but I get No permisison when I try to run it |
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| 04:58.29 | somiaj | Pavel: if the kernel supports it, you can just manually add it to /lib/firmware |
| 04:58.48 | somiaj | Pavel: just put it in /lib/firwmare |
| 04:59.24 | somiaj | cluelessperson: can you give the actual output? Sometimes the permission denied is not about the file that is being run, but something it depends on. |
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| 04:59.48 | Pavel | somiaj: I'd rather not pollute /lib/firmware. I'll forget about it, and then, when Debian starts packaging it, it'll cause mysterious errors. |
| 05:00.13 | somiaj | no it won't |
| 05:00.21 | cluelessperson | somiaj: that seems to be the case, sorry to bother you. :) |
| 05:00.45 | somiaj | and unforntaully that is where the kernel looks for firmware. Debian would just overwrite that file and not think twice once it packages it |
| 05:00.52 | somiaj | cluelessperson: so you tracked down the issue? good job. |
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| 05:02.14 | cluelessperson | somiaj: thanks :) |
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| 05:03.08 | somiaj | Pavel: I just can't think of another option, so that is where I would put it. |
| 05:04.37 | Pavel | somiaj: https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Updating_firmware says /usr/local/lib/firmware is also valid, but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 05:04.53 | Pavel | somiaj: I was thinking of downloading the Debian source package and patching that. |
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| 05:07.37 | somiaj | Pavel: I seem to read that differntly than you then. https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Updating_firmware -- In jessie, udev only looks in /lib/firwmare and even has a bugreport you can check out. the /usr/local/lib/firmware seems to be mentioned only for wheezy and squeeze...checking bug report |
| 05:08.19 | Pavel | somiaj: Oh, I see. My bad. |
| 05:08.44 | somiaj | Pavel: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729252#21 seems to confnirm that is the only palace that is checked on newer systems. |
| 05:08.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/729252 in udev (closed): «udev: firmware can not be loaded because filesystem not yt mounted»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-11-10; last modified: 2013-12-10. |
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| 05:11.51 | Pavel | Well, the firmware is loading, and there don't appear to be any errors, but the graphics still aren't working. |
| 05:13.15 | somiaj | do you have firmware-amd-graphics installed? |
| 05:13.25 | somiaj | and by graphics still not working, I assume you are talking about xorg? |
| 05:14.01 | somiaj | did you double check your Xorg.0.log and see if the amdgpu driver is actually being loaded? |
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| 05:15.21 | Pavel | somiaj: Looking things now. |
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| 05:16.59 | Pavel | somiaj: Thought it might be an old xorg.conf, but it doesn't look that way. |
| 05:17.42 | somiaj | Pavel: it might be in ~/.local/share/xorg/ if using the non-setuid xorg. |
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| 05:18.09 | somiaj | but if amdgpu isn't being loaded you could try to force it, or the log might say what is being loaded or why amdgpu wasn't. |
| 05:18.11 | Pavel | somiaj: It's using GDM, so unlikely. |
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| 05:22.39 | Pavel | ... Forgot that a lot of logging is now done via systemd stuff rather than /var/log... |
| 05:23.17 | somiaj | Xorg.0.log should still be on your system, either in /var/log or ~/.local/share/xorg |
| 05:25.14 | Pavel | somiaj: It looks like sometimes it writes to it and sometimes it doesn't. Anyway, I've found the GDM's log. It detects the video card, but it can't detect the screen. |
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| 05:47.02 | Pavel | somiaj: Anyway, thanks for the advice. |
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| 07:03.07 | jim | what is opendkim? |
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| 07:04.36 | nkuttler | jim: do you know what dkim is? |
| 07:04.49 | nkuttler | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys_Identified_Mail |
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| 07:10.42 | jim | nkuttler, no, not at all... the thing is installed and says (during upgrade) it wants to replace a config file |
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| 08:55.41 | vonsanchez | hello toystory fans |
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| 08:56.21 | vonsanchez | i am trying to build my first stretch preseed iso |
| 08:56.52 | vonsanchez | and i cannot figure out how to set "scan another CD or DVD?" to no in my preseed.cfg |
| 08:57.05 | vonsanchez | anyone know how? |
| 08:57.56 | vonsanchez | tried apt-cdrom-setup apt-setup/cdrom/set-next boolean false |
| 08:58.12 | vonsanchez | tried d-i apt-setup/cdrom/set-next boolean false |
| 08:58.21 | vonsanchez | still getting the question |
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| 09:19.33 | folatt_ | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/443375/cant-set-system-default-locale-on-debian-raspberry-pi-lang-empty |
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| 09:35.21 | SirLagz | anyone still use ALSA and swaps their Left and Right channels? I've had them swapped via a .asoundrc config for ages, but after upgrading to kernel 4.6.0-9, it's suddenly stopped working. Anyone experienced the same? |
| 09:35.26 | SirLagz | I used the same config as this answer - https://superuser.com/a/59488 |
| 09:35.49 | SirLagz | but even though I can see the alsa config settings changing in QasConfig, the sound is still reversed |
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| 09:40.20 | Tywin | You must have some serious lag if you just upgraded to 4.6 |
| 09:40.24 | Tywin | *rimshot* |
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| 09:42.16 | SirLagz | err 4.9 |
| 09:42.42 | SirLagz | was 4.9.0-6 rather than 4.6.0-9 lol |
| 09:43.00 | SirLagz | was meant to be* |
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| 10:04.58 | folatt | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/443375/cant-set-system-default-locale-on-debian-raspberry-pi-lang-empty |
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| 10:31.52 | petn-randall | folatt: This is a Debian support channel. You are running raspbian. Please ask in their channel. |
| 10:31.55 | petn-randall | !raspbian |
| 10:31.55 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 10:31.58 | petn-randall | Also relevant: |
| 10:32.00 | petn-randall | !crosspost |
| 10:32.00 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 10:32.04 | petn-randall | folatt: ^^^ |
| 10:32.55 | folatt | petn-randall, okay thanks |
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| 10:38.27 | hassoon | What can i do, after a recent upgrade from jessie to stretch, the system now is slower, I've been experiencing delayed response whether i'm typing code or scrolling some window |
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| 10:53.46 | petn-randall | hassoon: What exactly is slower? |
| 10:54.19 | petn-randall | hassoon: I'd say those two things are separate. |
| 10:54.21 | hassoon | petn-randall: scrolling windows/terminals, or typing somewhere |
| 10:54.36 | petn-randall | hassoon: Even on a terminal you switch to with ctrl + alt + F2? |
| 10:55.05 | hassoon | petn-randall: nah i don't often use full consoles |
| 10:55.14 | hassoon | petn-randall: but yeah, that too |
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| 11:11.45 | webunicorn | hi |
| 11:11.58 | webunicorn | I already got a sudoers.d file for user deploy to restart a service |
| 11:12.08 | webunicorn | I also want that the user can issue mount and umount commands |
| 11:12.20 | webunicorn | shold I create a 2nd file in sudoers for that user with mount and umount? |
| 11:12.24 | webunicorn | Or append to the existing file? |
| 11:12.35 | webunicorn | will one file override the other anyway? |
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| 11:18.32 | somiaj | webunicorn: it is up to you, splitting a single sudoers file into multiple is about how you want to orginze things. |
| 11:19.05 | somiaj | webunicorn: though be careful with allowing mount, that is a fairly easy way for someone to gain full root privalges (seems like you only want them to have limited privlages) |
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| 11:23.25 | webunicorn | somiaj: right! there is sadly no alternative :/ mount command for a CIFS mount. On the other hand that user already got enough priviliges to bork stuff well enough |
| 11:23.31 | webunicorn | (and I can't reduce them further) |
| 11:24.50 | webunicorn | there is one tool that offers something for non-root but only for home directories |
| 11:24.55 | webunicorn | and it wasn't sufficient for my needs |
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| 11:27.56 | somiaj | yea, just pointing out that due to setuid bits, giving someone mount privlages requires a good amount of trust. |
| 11:28.35 | webunicorn | somiaj: thanks! :) maybe I can even further restrict what arguments the mount command can get by that user? |
| 11:28.41 | somiaj | wonder if you can limt the command to only being able to mount cifs mounts, and avoid loop back mounts. |
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| 11:29.59 | noodlepie | Hiya guys! Debian updated successfully today! @:P-~ |
| 11:30.51 | webunicorn | noodle: distribution update? |
| 11:30.53 | hiya | noodlepie, With what? |
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| 11:31.19 | webunicorn | noodle: yes, upgrades can go wrong somtimes. I should use staging first more often than I do... |
| 11:31.37 | webunicorn | noodle: sorry, wrong user, I meant noodlepie |
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| 12:34.36 | epergny | hypothetical question (don't know which channel it's best to ask it): do I wear a SSD faster if I keep on working with it being while it's about 98% full (say 5 GB free out of 250 GB) vs using it while only, say, 50% full? |
| 12:34.52 | ikonia | try ##hardware ? |
| 12:34.58 | ikonia | (as a suggestion) |
| 12:35.07 | rozie | short answer: yest |
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| 12:35.12 | rozie | yes* |
| 12:37.52 | epergny | ikonia: thx |
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| 12:37.55 | epergny | rozie: thx |
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| 13:34.42 | jhutchins | webunicorn: The reason for modular sudoers files is so that applications can simply drop a file in that directory rather than trying to formulaically edit /etc/sudoers. |
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| 13:58.09 | octet | Why does debian gnome give me a notification to "Restart & Install" updates? I do not need to restart if I just use "apt upgrade", so I don't understand why it requires a restart. here is a pic of what I mean: https://i.imgur.com/mOPsd8A.png |
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| 14:00.55 | apache2notworkin | hello im using debian stretch and i have set up apache2 exactly as the manuals say. i have set up a crossover ethernet cable between the server and the client , like so, server 192.168.2.2, mask 24 and client 192,168.2.1 mask 24. no gateways or routes are set. is my network correct? |
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| 14:10.19 | zZzZzZ | I just bought a 4TB seagate extention desktop hdd, and are about to format it with e4. lsblk tells me that there are 2 partitions on that drive: 1st: 128MB and 2nd: 3.7T. what is this first partition? shall I only format the 2nd? sigh. thx in advance |
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| 14:19.30 | SirLagz | zZzZzZ: the first partition might be a 'virtual cd'? Tried plugging it into a windows machine? |
| 14:20.32 | zZzZzZ | yes, it isn't displayed there. the disk comes up as E: (primary partition) |
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| 14:37.10 | emu_rider | octet: Because services / daemons would still be using the old version untill you restart them? |
| 14:38.11 | octet | Oh, I thought linux flushes the services, which is why people claim that Linux doesnt need restarts while Windows always must restart |
| 14:38.31 | apollo13 | no it does not and even if you were to restart services you'd need to restart for kernel updates |
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| 14:39.00 | apollo13 | and some services like systemd will be hard to restart after a glibc update |
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| 14:39.36 | octet | I dont think any of the following are kernel updates though, yeah kernel updates must certainly need a restart |
| 14:40.06 | emu_rider | There is a command from xfce4-goodies package that will tell you what services you need to restart after upgrade |
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| 14:42.32 | apollo13 | needrestart is the cli version |
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| 14:46.11 | WoC | Anyone using debian on hybrid graphics ? (intel + nVidia) |
| 14:46.44 | babilen | Be the first! |
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| 14:47.48 | WoC | Heh, lead the way! [; |
| 14:48.04 | SirLagz | stupid ALSA, still haven't worked out why my L/R channel has stopped reversing itself :( |
| 14:48.21 | WoC | is debian systemd ? |
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| 14:49.20 | NetTerminalGene | WoC, yes |
| 14:49.53 | WoC | dang... ty anyway |
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| 14:50.28 | SirLagz | WoC: what's wrong with systemd? |
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| 14:52.48 | WoC | i rather keep it simple, as in runit / openrc |
| 14:52.52 | SirLagz | WoC: true |
| 14:53.42 | SirLagz | WoC: if you wanted Debian without the systemd, you could try Devuan |
| 14:53.56 | WoC | like being able to swutch runlevel easily , i.e. init 1... fix and init 3 (or 5) |
| 14:54.13 | WoC | oh, ty |
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| 14:57.31 | webunicorn | jhutchins: I am using ansible, so this may make sense? |
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| 14:59.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell WoC -about bumblebee |
| 14:59.36 | WoC | ty |
| 14:59.50 | babilen | WoC: You might want to inquire in #bumblebee about the current state of the art in that regard |
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| 15:02.21 | apollo13 | WoC: systemd allows you to switch runlevels rather easily |
| 15:03.01 | apollo13 | systemctl isolate runlevel1 is hardly much worse than init 1 |
| 15:03.13 | WoC | i wouldn't say easily |
| 15:03.19 | apollo13 | ? |
| 15:03.34 | WoC | oh |
| 15:03.53 | WoC | systemctl isolate runlevel6 too? |
| 15:04.04 | apollo13 | yes |
| 15:04.13 | noodlepie | Did you remember to select Core2/Xeon cpu build type if you have a Core something CPU? (i7 here), rather then generic-x86_64 which produces slower kernels |
| 15:04.17 | WoC | dang, that WAS ez |
| 15:04.26 | apollo13 | runlevelX are symlinks for poweroff, rescue, multi-user, graphical and reboot |
| 15:04.37 | apollo13 | I am always suprised by the ignorance of users (no offense to you directly WoC) |
| 15:04.51 | apollo13 | that they complain about the complexity of systemd but don't bother looking at it at all |
| 15:04.51 | WoC | None taken :) |
| 15:05.10 | apollo13 | systemd can make your live so much easier |
| 15:05.16 | Voldenet | people just assume systemd couldn't do what sysvinit could |
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| 15:05.35 | WoC | Aye |
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| 15:06.57 | Voldenet | It can pretty much do what sysvinit could |
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| 15:08.13 | babilen | Can I write equally convoluted unit files like the init scripts we had to maintain? |
| 15:09.26 | Voldenet | You can write convoluted bash files and run them as Type=simple |
| 15:09.34 | Voldenet | feel free to :) |
| 15:09.44 | babilen | Hooray! |
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| 15:11.47 | Voldenet | You can even run runsvdir from systemd, it's a bit confusing to use though, but you can :P |
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| 15:18.15 | cariveri | I just tried apt-get upgrade on a jessie and it stucks at mysql-server-5.5 . whats a rasonable time to wait and what do I do in that case Id like to abort it? |
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| 15:20.14 | at0m | depends on here it's stuck.. on install, on download, on extraction? |
| 15:21.03 | at0m | can always ctrl-c it then apt-get -f install to 'fix' the previous installation (-f will always continue to try and install the previous request) |
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| 15:29.17 | cariveri | at0m: ok thank you. after a while it continued successfully by itself. but nontheles good info! |
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| 15:29.49 | jokoon | so does copying a debian iso image on a usb makes it bootable? |
| 15:30.09 | jokoon | also I have a UEFI, do I have to disable secure boot? |
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| 15:33.19 | at0m | jokoon: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 15:34.32 | jokoon | well Im using windows right now, so Im out of luck |
| 15:35.11 | jokoon | wait no, cp is ok |
| 15:35.20 | jokoon | so yes, copying it is fine |
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| 15:35.50 | at0m | but dont copy the iso to the partition. copy to the raw device, if windows supports that.. |
| 15:36.04 | SirLagz | win32dd will do that I think it's called |
| 15:36.54 | cariveri | Hey agian. I considered upgrade debian 8 to 9 . and came across this warning: MariaDB replaces MySQL database in Debian 9 Stretch. is this correct? |
| 15:37.01 | cariveri | I got it from https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch |
| 15:37.53 | babilen | jokoon: Grab https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ for writing the image *directly* to the USB |
| 15:38.36 | jokoon | thanks |
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| 15:42.29 | babilen | jokoon: I would also like to point out that Debian makes images with firmware available, which eases the installation if your networking depends on having firmware available (many wireless adaptors require it) |
| 15:42.33 | babilen | dpkg: firmware images |
| 15:42.34 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 15:42.51 | babilen | That way you can use hardware that requires firmware during the installation |
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| 15:43.33 | jokoon | oh |
| 15:43.53 | jokoon | is it possible to know if I need this? |
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| 15:44.56 | babilen | If you had planned to use the netinst image there is absolutely no downside to using the firmware one |
| 15:45.25 | jokoon | I downloaded a 300MB image |
| 15:45.26 | babilen | jokoon: It really depends on your hardware. If your wireless is a "standard" Intel one you probably need firmware for it to work |
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| 15:46.00 | jokoon | its a 2x2 11b/g/n wireless LAN M.2 adapter (windows device manager speaking) |
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| 15:46.23 | babilen | In the end the best image depends on the following points: 1. Do you have a (working) internet connection during the installation? 2. Does your hardware require firmware? |
| 15:46.41 | jokoon | its a realtek |
| 15:47.02 | babilen | Right, that probably requires firmware |
| 15:47.25 | jokoon | so its not included in the 300MB debian installer? |
| 15:47.36 | somiaj | Most likely if you have wifi you need firmware. If you have a wired connection, use that, then install firmware after. |
| 15:47.52 | babilen | jokoon: firmware is not included in the standard images as it isn't free |
| 15:48.24 | jokoon | by firmware, do you mean I have to flash my firmware? don't you mean a non-free driver? |
| 15:48.31 | babilen | There really is no downside in using the image with firmware if your hardware requires it |
| 15:48.50 | jokoon | yes but I did not understand how to get that image |
| 15:49.11 | babilen | jokoon: No, you don't have to flash anything. It's just that the kernel module requires a binary blob (i.e. firmware) to function properly |
| 15:49.26 | babilen | You download it from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 15:50.44 | NetTerminalGene | i read that google switched to debian based system from ubuntu. why does google choose debian instead of centos or something? |
| 15:50.56 | jokoon | what about UEFI secure boot? I remember having to disable it in a previous linux install |
| 15:50.56 | babilen | Because Debian is awesome |
| 15:51.23 | jokoon | because debian is stable. ubuntu is based on debian |
| 15:51.36 | jokoon | debian is the best maintained distro |
| 15:51.38 | nkuttler | NetTerminalGene: i am the head of os research at google. debian is superior |
| 15:51.46 | jokoon | it's the highest quality |
| 15:51.46 | babilen | jokoon: You would have to disable that .. don't think we have signed images yet (but that might have changed) |
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| 15:52.07 | NetTerminalGene | nkuttler, cool |
| 15:52.28 | jokoon | what does signed images mean? |
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| 15:52.42 | babilen | jokoon: Images that you could use with secure boot |
| 15:52.43 | jokoon | is that like a detached signature? |
| 15:53.08 | jokoon | why aren't most linux distro not signed? isn't that trivial to do? |
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| 15:53.13 | babilen | jokoon: Read https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot and pages linked therein if you want to know the gory details |
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| 15:53.44 | jokoon | ok so it's some weird snafu from uefi chip makers I guess |
| 15:54.12 | NetTerminalGene | nkuttler, in what sense is debian superior? |
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| 15:55.10 | bites | they switched to debian testing for their in house distro because they wanted to make it a rolling release. |
| 15:55.35 | jokoon | nkuttler, all the software that is included in debian, would it be driver, kernel updates, etc, are high quality, meaning they have higher standards |
| 15:55.58 | jokoon | they don't update things if there is no need |
| 15:56.26 | somiaj | NetTerminalGene: you are goint to be hard pressed to find people who argue it is not here. I personally like the stability and quality of debian, the amoutn of software availble, their stance on free software, and the fact that you can upgarde your system over time and not have to reinstall. |
| 15:57.07 | jokoon | I wonder why ubuntu is more popular that debian though |
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| 15:57.41 | jokoon | I heard ubuntu is abandoning unity |
| 15:57.52 | NetTerminalGene | already abandoned |
| 15:57.53 | somiaj | jokoon: it has a large company behind it pushign it, along with it makes things easy for end users, because it has different goals. For instance one would be given non-free firmware (and other software) automatically in ubuntu beucase it is easier. |
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| 15:58.26 | babilen | Also "enterprise support" |
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| 16:15.42 | NetTerminalGene | nkuttler, are you really head of research at google? |
| 16:19.10 | bites | can confirm. i'm head of HR at google. |
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| 16:26.47 | NetTerminalGene | bites, what is HR? |
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| 16:27.58 | NetTerminalGene | i thought heads of research wouldn't waste their time in here |
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| 16:28.43 | emu_rider | cleaner at google, can confirm as well :P |
| 16:28.57 | Ooze | Using a monitoring software, I'm trying to run the command 'cmk -II HOSTNAME' where HOSTNAME processes each line of a file of hostnames I have procured. Does anyone know of a way to complete this task? |
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| 16:31.30 | somiaj | Ooze: maybe xargs, cat file | xargs cmk -II {} (man xargs for how to run the command one at a time, I'm missing some flags so my command wont' directly work) |
| 16:32.22 | Ooze | I'll look into that. Thanks, somiaj |
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| 16:32.41 | zZzZzZ | how can I tell if the lazy itable and journal inits are finished? would ot be save to rsync files to that drive if it is still going? |
| 16:32.52 | zZzZzZ | on ext4^ |
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| 16:58.40 | emu_rider | When a new stable comes out, do you guys usually do a fresh install and reuse /home/, or just apt dist-upgrade? |
| 16:58.57 | bites | just the upgrade. |
| 16:59.08 | somiaj | I think most just upgrade, since that is usually easier than an install. |
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| 16:59.58 | somiaj | make sure to read the release notes about known issues. Sometimes it is best to wait a few months to let known issues get documented. And of course backup before ugprading. It works most the time, but in some cases it can cause problems (Espically if you use a lot of third party software) |
| 17:00.56 | emu_rider | somiaj: do you mean issues with the upgrade process or the packages themselves have issues? |
| 17:01.04 | somiaj | with the upgrade process |
| 17:01.51 | somiaj | It is well testted before the release, but it is just not possible to test every use case, and as I said adding thrid party software into the mix can easily throw a wrench into the gears. |
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| 17:02.20 | emu_rider | So it would be better if I fresh install with the new stable iso right? |
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| 17:02.49 | emu_rider | and avoid all the potential issues |
| 17:02.55 | somiaj | I dno't know what you mean by better. I haven't reinstalled my main desktop os since 2006, when I switched to 64bit hardware. |
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| 17:03.17 | r3 | define "better", as the same issues are going to arise with 3rd party stuff either way |
| 17:03.34 | hicks__ | fresh install means you need a backup anyway, so just backup, try the upgrade and if all works out you're done. I've yet to encounter an issue that wasn't noted in the release docs though. |
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| 17:03.58 | hicks__ | Long as you have backups, there's no reason imo to fear doing an upgrade. |
| 17:04.21 | emu_rider | do release docs show how to fix the known upgrade issues? |
| 17:04.33 | somiaj | they explain known issues and work arounds |
| 17:04.44 | r3 | if you're really worried, you could image the existing system, then create a VM with it, try the upgrade in the VM, and work out the issues there. |
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| 17:05.50 | emu_rider | r3: There is a way to make an iso with all my installed packages? |
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| 17:07.25 | r3 | sure you can just image the drive? Not sure what you're asking. You'll have to boot from CD/USB so that you can image the drive unmounted. |
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| 17:10.57 | r3 | or take that system's drive over to a different system and image it there. I do that frequently. |
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| 17:14.11 | emu_rider | ah so if I boot a live-usb and I can create an iso of my os |
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| 17:14.59 | r3 | sure |
| 17:15.14 | r3 | problem sometimes becomes where to put it - can't put it back on the drive you're imaging. |
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| 17:16.02 | emu_rider | I have a portable hard drive to store the iso |
| 17:16.17 | r3 | you can use 'dd' but I prefer 'ddrescue' as it does more and has nice status. 'apt-get install gddrescue' is the one you want, with the 'g' - not the other one. |
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| 17:17.43 | emu_rider | and if my current system is messed up, I can dd the iso back into /dev/sda and restore the system no problem yes? |
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| 17:17.52 | sumi | hello |
| 17:18.07 | emu_rider | Will I need to mess with grub or anything like that? |
| 17:18.17 | r3 | as long as the architectures match you should be able to run it in a VM, sometimes with some configs (IIRC grub), it gets all confused, but I've had some luck. At the least you should be able to mount the filesystem and pull data off. |
| 17:18.21 | sumi | iâve messed up a cli on my raspberry. could you tell me the default perms (ls -ahl) on /etc/login.defs and /etc/init.d scripts? |
| 17:19.08 | r3 | emu_rider: if you've imaged the drive onto an external drive, you certainly can put it back. I do that all the time to be sure I have a quick way to go back to a known config, or to start a new system with a known config. |
| 17:20.12 | r3 | emu_rider: you shouldn't have to mess with anything. The system won't even know what happened. It should go back just as it was imaged. |
| 17:20.23 | emu_rider | r3: yea Ive been recently looking into this as another backup method, seems really convenient if something happends to my system |
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| 17:21.36 | emu_rider | r3: Did you use any step-by-step guide when making the image? |
| 17:21.44 | r3 | it can be wasteful of space, as images are going to be the size of the drive, usually. You can gzip them down, but it's still a large chunk of data. If you're backing up data another way, that's usually preferable because you can just backup what has been changed since the last backup. An image takes everything. |
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| 17:22.27 | r3 | a quick google turns up: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144172/full-dd-copy-from-hdd-to-hdd |
| 17:23.10 | r3 | can be adapted to use ddrescue, for its status messages and mapfile. The process is the same, the syntax differs. |
| 17:24.04 | r3 | !raspbian |
| 17:24.04 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 17:27.16 | emu_rider | r3: hmm seems pretty straight forward, I'll give that a try. Excluding /home/ I only need to copy 4.6GB over to iso so space is no problem/ |
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| 17:36.08 | r3 | heh, "only" 4.6GB |
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| 17:37.39 | emu_rider | well...compared to windows10 install, 4.6GB is pretty good no? :P |
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| 17:40.48 | r3 | oh it's just the old-timer in me, remembering back to when 128MB was a LOT of data. |
| 17:41.17 | miamiwolverine | . |
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| 17:42.04 | r3 | lol, my first hard drive was 10MB. It was sizeable. Felt like infinite space. |
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| 17:42.45 | annadane | i suppose 1TB is standard for a hard drive these days still, but in future i wonder if it will become 2TB |
| 17:42.48 | epergny | r3: 40MB here, you win |
| 17:43.37 | r3 | epergny: lol, I remember I had it sitting on a cheap "TV Tray" next to the desk, and during a full seek, it would cause the tray to sway back and forth |
| 17:43.45 | epergny | annadane: 1TB for HDD maybe but many SSD are 256 to 512 MB. I've got a 256 GB Samsung 950 Pro nvme / M.2 PCIe 3.0x4 SSD: speed daemon. |
| 17:44.13 | epergny | annadane: well, speed daemon for reads. Got a serious issue with write speed which I haven't figured out : ( |
| 17:44.28 | r3 | I'm sure you mean "many SSD are 256 to 512 GB" ... not MB |
| 17:44.45 | annadane | i thought SSDs were about the same size these days and not much more expensive |
| 17:44.48 | epergny | r3: nice... My 40MB HDD was on an Amiga. |
| 17:44.57 | epergny | r3: yup, /s/MB/GB/ |
| 17:45.05 | r3 | I've some CF cards that are 256MB. Use 'em on old CP/M systems where you can have 16 partitions of 8MB each for a total of 128MB |
| 17:45.29 | annadane | i wouldn't mind paying extra for the speed of an SSD |
| 17:45.45 | r3 | it is well worth it, annadane |
| 17:45.51 | epergny | annadane: they very well be, you may be right actually. But since my mobo has an M.2 I bought an M.2 SSD: it bypasses the Sata 3.0 bus and uses PCI lanes directly. |
| 17:46.09 | r3 | that's the way to go, truly |
| 17:46.39 | annadane | my problem is i don't know where to shop for hardware :P |
| 17:46.45 | emu_rider | 128GB ssd here, was worried it wasnt enough. Turns out linux apps / software take less space, even GUIs are very lightweight |
| 17:46.48 | epergny | annadane: M.2 SSD are so fast that when copying a huge, uncached (on the source computer) file from one computer to another, the gigabit ethernet switch becomes the bottleneck. |
| 17:47.34 | epergny | r3: ah I *think* I remember the Commodore 128 could boot into some CP/M system of sorts but... I used mine in C64 mode all the time. Then Amiga. Then PC : ) |
| 17:48.04 | epergny | annadane: which country are you in? |
| 17:48.11 | annadane | canadia |
| 17:48.21 | epergny | annadane: oh you can certainly order online |
| 17:48.31 | annadane | "online" is vague :P |
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| 17:49.01 | epergny | annadane: when I was in California newegg was a thing. Now I'm in Europe and most tech vendors are selling on Amazon directly. |
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| 17:49.18 | epergny | annadane: I think newegg is still big in the US. Don't know about Canada. |
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| 17:49.53 | epergny | r3: and you on Linux since a long time? My first Linux was Slackware. And I think I'm using Debian since version 1.2. |
| 17:50.10 | epergny | r3: I clearly remember Emacs compilation taking 45 minutes. |
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| 17:50.35 | annadane | yeah, newegg's website looks fairly navigable |
| 17:50.37 | epergny | r3: quite a ride we went through us old timers : ) |
| 17:50.43 | annadane | my complaint is that a lot of hardware websites... aren't |
| 17:51.17 | mmpmmmpmp | hey, in /etc/fstab (stretch) I don't need acl or user_xattr anymore. This is by default for ext4. Is this right? |
| 17:51.46 | epergny | annadane: make sure to buy something that's compatible with your system. For example if it's a laptop, you probably need a regular SSD. If it's a desktop, it probably does not have a M.2 slot. So you either buy a regular SSD, or an M.2 one and a PCI card but that's getting a bit hacky : ) |
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| 17:53.49 | WoC | epergny, which Amiga model(s) did you have ? |
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| 17:54.35 | epergny | WoC: good ol' Amiga 500... A a friend who had a 1000. |
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| 17:55.00 | epergny | WoC: I still have it and it *may* still work. My 40MB hdd may still work too, which is insane. |
| 17:55.12 | WoC | nice, i had 500/1000/2000 ;) CDTV [; |
| 17:55.18 | epergny | WoC: last I booted my C128 it was still working and the floppy disk I tried were still working ^ ^ |
| 17:55.24 | epergny | WoC: oh nice |
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| 17:55.43 | WoC | and yes, 128 can boot CP/M |
| 17:55.47 | epergny | WoC: these were the days ^ ^ Got another friend who's still totally into it. |
| 17:55.57 | rant | I have a HP ThinClient t520 running Stretch, has a AMD G-Series SoC w/ Radeon R2E graphics, I have the amd firmware package installed. I have one of the display ports going to my TV via HDMI and that works fine, but I have a 17in TV and a 17in monitor and when hooking either of those to the VGA port it works most of the time but then begins flashing on and off (power light blinks) I can't figure out whats |
| 17:56.03 | rant | wrong with it |
| 17:56.38 | rant | I see nothing in dmesg or xlog, so the system seems unaware.. currently the display is on but blank.. switching to/from console makes it come on momentairly then in goes black again |
| 17:56.43 | WoC | epergny, Well, i totally miss it. Would love to do some 680x0 asm again :) |
| 17:57.08 | epergny | WoC: that's how I started to learn programming ^ ^ |
| 17:57.39 | WoC | epergny, same here, then machinecode and then ansi c |
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| 17:57.56 | epergny | WoC: I kept my toys and computers from when I was a kid then teenager in boxes, stored in a garage. 2000 km from where I live basically ^ ^ |
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| 17:58.23 | WoC | i lost em all when i moved to the u.s. |
| 17:59.20 | epergny | WoC: ansi C on PC? I learned x86 asm and started doing C when I got my first 386. That was before Windows 95. |
| 17:59.24 | WoC | 20+ pc's, sun workstation, vax workstation, hp 9000/e45 server and more ;P |
| 17:59.42 | epergny | WoC: but early on I discovered Linux and ran Linux as my desktop ever since. Was an act of faith in the beginning. |
| 18:00.05 | WoC | i did some x86 asm, but lil-endian got to me |
| 18:00.11 | epergny | WoC: WATH!? Which Sun workstation? I nearly bought a little Indigo a while ago. |
| 18:00.17 | epergny | WoC: you sold all this? |
| 18:01.27 | WoC | dumpster, somehow the shipping company would not give the address where to bring my stuff for shipping to the u.s. and for them to pick it up would make the price 500% |
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| 18:01.50 | epergny | WoC: a friend of mine at this at home, when it came out, because his father was working for SGI: http://www.obsolyte.com/sgi_indy/ |
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| 18:02.04 | WoC | nice :) |
| 18:02.09 | epergny | WoC: mind blown when I saw this and, well, Linux was a way for me to have my little Un*x system at home |
| 18:02.38 | epergny | WoC: sucks! Pffft! : ( |
| 18:02.40 | WoC | the hp server had 3 raid systems (all raid 5) |
| 18:03.04 | epergny | WoC: it was running Linux? |
| 18:03.10 | WoC | fastest fileserver i ever seen |
| 18:03.17 | WoC | hp/ux 10.20 |
| 18:03.21 | epergny | gotcha |
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| 18:03.57 | WoC | the sun was on netbsd ;] |
| 18:04.14 | epergny | WoC: and what do you run Debian on? |
| 18:05.02 | WoC | fixing to put it on this crappy lap, i7 but with hybrid graphics (intel + nvidia) |
| 18:05.18 | WoC | only 8 Gb ram though (maxed) |
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| 18:06.01 | WoC | still backing up my files :P |
| 18:06.18 | epergny | WoC: I run Debian on my "workstation" (no sound, no fancy GPU: no gaming or anything) but it's just a high-end Core i7, then Debian on my laptop, Debian on my dedicated servers and Raspbian on my Raspberry Pi. |
| 18:06.48 | epergny | WoC: ah ah... I'm in the process, like in that old xkcd, of going through all my old HDs and backing up everything. |
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| 18:07.14 | WoC | But i did run debian many years ago ;) |
| 18:07.25 | epergny | WoC: I'm putting everything into private IPFS nodes/servers because I'm a bit nuts. With IPFS I get file deduplication and integrity checks for free. |
| 18:07.44 | WoC | k ;] |
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| 18:08.20 | epergny | https://xkcd.com/1360/ |
| 18:08.47 | WoC | heh :) |
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| 18:09.35 | epergny | backups, inside backups, inside backups. Worst offenders are pics and little movies taken by family with camera and smartphone which "I must not lose". |
| 18:10.07 | WoC | Some time in the future, i will prolly get an old Power Mac G5 (big endian) and put linux on it and resume programming ;) |
| 18:10.08 | epergny | trying to sort all this mess. "apt-get install fdupes" to the rescue by the way : ) |
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| 18:10.36 | epergny | WoC: had to google it, nice case... |
| 18:11.00 | WoC | Yup :) and it's a risc cpu ;) |
| 18:11.29 | epergny | WoC: I remember the Archimedes. |
| 18:11.31 | annadane | i have no more "old files" like the xkcd indicates and it makes me sad |
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| 18:11.43 | WoC | :) |
| 18:12.26 | epergny | WoC: yup, I remember correctly, it's RISC too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Archimedes |
| 18:12.37 | GreatEmerald | I'm bootstrapping the x32 port, where should I get the kernel image? |
| 18:12.45 | GreatEmerald | It should be the amd64 kernel, I suppose |
| 18:12.51 | epergny | annadane: still have all my emails since the nineties. I think I only miss 6 months at some point. |
| 18:13.09 | GreatEmerald | So should I add the amd64 unstable repo? |
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| 18:13.48 | r3 | epergny: indeed, I remember a time before "Linux" proper. If I wanted a Unix I dialed into the VAX |
| 18:14.14 | WoC | epergny, if you want to look up something really nice; sharp x68000 |
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| 18:15.10 | annadane | my guess is you shouldn't need to enable the unstable repo |
| 18:15.22 | epergny | WoC: japanese market only right? I think I remember these with weird arrows on the keyboard, gonna look it up |
| 18:15.53 | WoC | Aye, sad. at that time it would have been great to have |
| 18:16.01 | r3 | what I would like to figure out is how to backup ~21 TB to optical medium, spanning several (many many) DVDs/BluRay - I'm sure there's a way to do it with tar but just am unsure how to proceed |
| 18:16.52 | WoC | dang r3, external raid ? |
| 18:17.00 | epergny | WoC: my most beloved piece of hardware, which I got shipped 2000 km, is my vintage arcade cab from the mid-80s. I've got some original PCBs and some bootleg PCBs. |
| 18:17.07 | epergny | WoC: a great many Z80 there ; ) |
| 18:17.11 | r3 | WoC: yes, my little NAS here |
| 18:18.05 | r3 | maybe not, as it would take ~420 dual layer Bluray disks to do it I think - lol |
| 18:18.05 | WoC | epergny, i heard there was a huge cluster of Z80s in the GB back in the day, almost supercomputer performance :P |
| 18:18.13 | r3 | so maybe not the whole thing, maybe one directory |
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| 18:21.51 | annadane | but i know very little of bootstrapping so i can't really answer the question |
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| 18:24.29 | GreatEmerald | Is there a package that would provide the amd64 repo? |
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| 18:25.21 | somiaj | what do you mean by that? There is no package that provides a repo. |
| 18:26.16 | CarlFK | debian minimal, with xorg and xfce installed - gui app is maxing out the cpu (all 4 cores) - friend says "sounds like opengl isn't working" how can I check for that ? |
| 18:28.02 | annadane | GreatEmerald, you're on i386 and are trying to bootstrap an amd64 environment...? |
| 18:28.04 | somiaj | CarlFK: you could look at the output of 'glxinfo' in a xterm or xfce terminal, or check the xorglogs |
| 18:29.14 | WoC | epergny, in your opinion; which would be faster of the debian installations; 32 bit with pae or 64 bit ? |
| 18:29.26 | annadane | oh, bootstrapping the x32 port. yeah, as somiaj said, architecture specific packages don't have a repository |
| 18:29.40 | annadane | i'm out of my depth here so i'll step to the side |
| 18:29.48 | epergny | WoC: oh man no idea, isn't 32 bit + pae a thing of the past? I switched to amd64 a very long time ago and never looked back. |
| 18:30.32 | GreatEmerald | Well, I need to get a kernel somehow |
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| 18:30.43 | somiaj | GreatEmerald: use multiarch |
| 18:30.46 | epergny | WoC: I think I remember running 32 bit + pae but... My old memory is failing me. |
| 18:31.00 | CarlFK | somiaj: glxinfo|wc 392 lines. at the top I see "server glx version string 1.4" ... vendor SGI |
| 18:31.07 | somiaj | annadane: it is just multiarch, if using i386, one can add the amd64 arch and have access to amd64 packages (which will run provided the cpu supports it) |
| 18:31.18 | WoC | epergny, k, i'll try it |
| 18:31.27 | somiaj | CarlFK: sounds like you have glx enabled, read down to see if it is hardware or software, or check Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:31.57 | CarlFK | how do I tell hardware/software? |
| 18:32.12 | annadane | GreatEmerald, ^ |
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| 18:32.20 | GreatEmerald | somiaj: How do I do that |
| 18:32.40 | somiaj | !multiarch |
| 18:32.40 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 18:33.29 | epergny | WoC: I probably installed Debian 9.4.0 from the "netinst" 4 times in the last 2 or 3 days : ) |
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| 18:37.32 | GreatEmerald | somiaj: It says "Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository debian-ports unstable InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'amd64'" |
| 18:40.29 | WoC | epergny, nice :) |
| 18:40.57 | GreatEmerald | My /etc/apt/sources.list just has ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports |
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| 18:41.12 | GreatEmerald | I assume I need something more than that |
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| 18:42.53 | somiaj | GreatEmerald: amd64 is offically debian. What arch do you have and why are you using ports? |
| 18:43.15 | somiaj | ports only contains unoffical ports, and there are no unoffical ports (that I know of) that are compadable with amd64. |
| 18:44.14 | annadane | if you dpkg --add-architecture foo (where foo is the name of the arch) you should be able to install packages with apt install foo:arch (where foo is the name of a package) |
| 18:44.26 | annadane | ie if you want the i386 version of krita, apt install krita:i386 |
| 18:44.31 | babilen | Question is: What is GreatEmerald trying to do? |
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| 18:45.09 | somiaj | babilen: orignally I thought they had 32bit i386 and wanted to add amd64, but now I think they ahve some other arch. |
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| 18:45.31 | mmpmmmpmp | hello, now I have tried everything. I have a windows 2016 DC and I have joined a debian stretch to the domain. I see all domain-users and domain-groups. But I cannot share a directory to the users. The users see the directory, but cannot access it.Can someone help me? |
| 18:45.32 | mmpmmmpmp | This is what I did: |
| 18:45.32 | mmpmmmpmp | smb.conf https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2fKDYFrZ6h/ |
| 18:45.32 | mmpmmmpmp | nsswitch.conf https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qjKnKMtZ42/ |
| 18:45.32 | mmpmmmpmp | share https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jZpSxn3MzH/ |
| 18:45.32 | mmpmmmpmp | What is wrong? |
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| 18:47.19 | mmpmmmpmp | hello, now I have tried everything. I have a windows 2016 DC and I have joined a debian stretch to the domain. I see all domain-users and domain-groups. But I cannot share a directory to the users. The users see the directory, but cannot access it.Can someone help me? |
| 18:47.19 | mmpmmmpmp | This is what I did: |
| 18:47.32 | annadane | mmpmmmpmp, we saw the question |
| 18:47.40 | annadane | you ended with "what is wrong?" |
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| 18:47.56 | mmpmmmpmp | okay, thanks, I was kicked out |
| 18:48.06 | annadane | can happen if you paste too quickly, yeah |
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| 18:48.13 | somiaj | I don't know how samba conntets to a windows AD. You may find a samba support channel more appropriate. |
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| 18:48.51 | mmpmmmpmp | somiaj: I already tried, but no answer. |
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| 18:49.17 | somiaj | I would be paitent, sometimes it takes a while for a response to happen. If users can see it but not access it, sounds like it is a permission issue. |
| 18:49.22 | babilen | mmpmmmpmp: Did you idle for a while? The channel might not be as active as this one |
| 18:50.24 | somiaj | but it sounds like a permissions issue, and you may have to idel here for a while to get someone who is familar enough with samba permissions to help out. |
| 18:50.36 | annadane | GreatEmerald, did you see what i said before about dpkg --add-architecture? it depends on what you're trying to do |
| 18:50.38 | mmpmmmpmp | of course, but samba is also well common. So I that, it is not unlikely to get the answer here |
| 18:51.17 | mmpmmmpmp | *thought |
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| 18:51.37 | somiaj | annadane: it sounds like GreatEmerald isn't on amd64 compadable hardware. They may need to be using qemu-static and not need to add amd64 to their sources. |
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| 18:52.01 | annadane | ah |
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| 18:54.29 | GreatEmerald | No no |
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| 18:54.37 | GreatEmerald | I'm on an amd64 |
| 18:54.41 | GreatEmerald | hardware, that is |
| 18:54.47 | somiaj | then why are you using debian ports in your sources.list |
| 18:54.51 | GreatEmerald | I'm trying to set up x32 |
| 18:55.10 | GreatEmerald | Because it's a netbook that has 700 MiB RAM |
| 18:55.37 | GreatEmerald | So I followed the instructions on the wiki to set up the chroot |
| 18:56.02 | somiaj | ahh, so what is your goal? |
| 18:56.17 | GreatEmerald | Debian x32 |
| 18:56.38 | GreatEmerald | Right now I want to install the kernel |
| 18:56.46 | GreatEmerald | And it's not in the ports repo |
| 18:56.55 | GreatEmerald | Which makes sense, because the kernel is amd64 |
| 18:56.57 | somiaj | That isn't clear, yes you are on the unoffical port x32. If you want to use that port, why do you want an amd64 kernel? |
| 18:57.08 | GreatEmerald | There is no "x32 kernel" |
| 18:57.16 | GreatEmerald | It's the amd64 kernel |
| 18:57.39 | GreatEmerald | x32 is a CONFIG of the amd64 kernel |
| 18:58.04 | somiaj | well if it has different compile time flags, you want the kernel from the x32 port I would assume (not the amd64 configured kernel) |
| 18:58.33 | GreatEmerald | The standard amd64 kernel has x32 enabled |
| 18:58.41 | somiaj | but I don't have any experience with this unffoical port, though I now see what it is. And I'm unsure why you don't just use the kernel provided by that port. |
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| 18:59.02 | GreatEmerald | (or at least it should, you could check with zcat /proc/config.gz | grep X32) |
| 18:59.22 | GreatEmerald | That's the problem, there is no kernel provided by it |
| 18:59.28 | somiaj | anyways deb.debian.org is the mirror for offical ports like amd64, and you'll have to edit your sources.list and tell it to only use certian arches, 'deb [arch=x32] foo', and 'deb [arch=amd64] foo' for the different repos. |
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| 19:00.09 | somiaj | that surprises me, I would thikn they would provided a way to get a kernel, but again I don't know anything about this port, it might be worth ask support from someone who is familar with this. |
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| 19:01.07 | GreatEmerald | somiaj: Is it necessary to add the "arch=" part? I'd assume the ports only have x32 and the official repos only have amd64 |
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| 19:01.32 | GreatEmerald | somiaj: Though I wonder how to make sure that by default the x32 apps are installed, not amd64 |
| 19:01.44 | somiaj | it is because the mirror doesn't have both repos available, so you have to tell apt to only look for a specifc one. |
| 19:02.40 | somiaj | but to me it sounds like there should be a better way to get the kernel than multiarch. I would not follow my advise. I missunderstood you and thought you were on i386 |
| 19:03.08 | GreatEmerald | somiaj: I'll need multiarch anyway, some apps (e.g. Skype) have only am64 versions |
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| 19:04.04 | ghormoon | hi, any hints for lightweight (not brining in whole glome or kde dependencies) photo viewer with scriptabe hotkeys (for tagging etc, so I can set my own commands with some placeholder for current file) |
| 19:04.19 | somiaj | well I would still find actual docs or support for this, maybe someone else here uses this unoffical port. I don't want to give you advise that breaks your system, and unsure what the proper method of multiarch and/or getting a kernel on x32 is. |
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| 19:04.31 | ghormoon | also, any file viewer (that does thumbnails) that doesn't need a ton of dependencies too? |
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| 19:05.31 | somiaj | ghormoon: look around, debian provides lots of image viewers and file managers, pcmanfm or spacefm-gtk3 are some smaller file managers. I use feh as my image viewer, unsure about scriptable keybindings though. |
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| 19:06.23 | annadane | i'm sure emacs can do it but then you have to actually learn emacs which isn't really practical for common advice |
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| 19:06.43 | annadane | i'm trying to think of the image viewers i know that can do that and can't really think of anythng |
| 19:07.22 | GreatEmerald | somiaj: Well, I don't have a system to break at the moment :D |
| 19:07.42 | annadane | (side note: emacs, great for everything, but high learning curve) |
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| 19:09.16 | GreatEmerald | Yea, if I add the amd64 main repo, I get two warnings: that it doesn't support x32, and that the x32 repo does not support amd64 |
| 19:09.21 | GreatEmerald | So that sounds reasonable |
| 19:09.29 | bolt | What is it I need when shorewall says "ERROR: A non-empty SWITCH column requires Condition Match in your kernel and iptables"? What's Condition Match and how do I get it in Debian? |
| 19:10.03 | somiaj | GreatEmerald: add those [arch=] lines I mentioned. |
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| 19:10.33 | GreatEmerald | Yea, but those are just warnings |
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| 19:11.29 | annadane | ghormoon, krita tends to be one of the most featureful image viewers (and i suppose GIMP), though it does pull in a few qt packages, and i don't know how good either krita or GIMP are at scriptable keys |
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| 19:11.50 | somiaj | GreatEmerald: sure, but why not get rid of them, it will make things nicer in the long run. |
| 19:12.12 | somiaj | annadane: I woudln't think of gimp as an image viewer..... |
| 19:12.29 | somiaj | imagemagick's dispaly works too |
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| 19:15.48 | ghormoon | annadane: I don't even need feature to edit, just tag/delete/move etc through whole folder fast enough (tagging by ln -s) |
| 19:16.26 | annadane | yeah, don't know, sorry |
| 19:16.53 | rabbitear_sdf | ranger? |
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| 19:17.21 | ghormoon | spacefm looks good enough, now just to find the image viewer :) |
| 19:17.42 | rabbitear_sdf | feh, qiv, lots |
| 19:19.06 | ghormoon | is any of those scriptable for hotkeys? |
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| 19:19.22 | somiaj | try them out, they are all small programs |
| 19:19.31 | annadane | if you apt show foo it'll have a package description |
| 19:19.37 | annadane | which may indicate whether it does or not |
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| 19:19.59 | ghormoon | I'm on data roaming :) |
| 19:20.00 | somiaj | I like feh, it is a nice simple image viewer, that can do simple edits, and even show thumbnials of a directory |
| 19:20.15 | somiaj | imagemagick's display probably has more features, because it has the full tools of imagemagick it could have behind it. |
| 19:20.32 | annadane | it's called feh because of the snorts of derision one gets upon revealing one's allegiance to it: "feh!" |
| 19:20.35 | somiaj | ghormoon: fromt he feh manpage, feh supports filelists, various image sorting modes, image captions, HTTP and more. Configurable keyboard and mouse shortcuts are used to control it. |
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| 19:21.04 | GreatEmerald | Hah, even man-db is not installed by default, that sure is spartan |
| 19:21.06 | ghormoon | google search gave me fim as scriptable |
| 19:22.11 | rabbitear_sdf | never trust online google search :) |
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| 19:22.33 | somiaj | not like we are that more trust worthy, all just random people on the internet giving advise. |
| 19:22.52 | somiaj | though a bit less likely to get outdated info here. |
| 19:23.42 | GreatEmerald | To get grub2 that can run off an UEFI, should I install grub2 or (and?) grub2-efi? |
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| 19:23.44 | rabbitear_sdf | I thank the fin's for irc, because of the web |
| 19:24.51 | somiaj | you want grub2-efi for efi boot (Grub2-pc is for legacy boot) |
| 19:25.14 | annadane | but feh is certainly lightweight, yeah |
| 19:25.23 | annadane | being cli based |
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| 19:28.12 | GreatEmerald | Hm, and where does it install the .efi file? |
| 19:29.06 | rabbitear_sdf | isn't there a /boot/EFI directory ? |
| 19:29.13 | GreatEmerald | /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/grub.efi? |
| 19:29.19 | rabbitear_sdf | actually that is a partition |
| 19:29.25 | GreatEmerald | Yes there is, but it's not populated with anything |
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| 19:29.45 | rabbitear_sdf | GreatEmerald: fdisk -l .... you MAY see an EFI partition |
| 19:29.51 | GreatEmerald | I have it |
| 19:30.11 | GreatEmerald | But installing grub-efi didn't put anything into ESP/EFI |
| 19:30.27 | GreatEmerald | Well, maybe that's not a big issue |
| 19:30.29 | rabbitear_sdf | why is it a "hard work" to install EFI anymore ? |
| 19:30.54 | GreatEmerald | I need to use efibootmgr I suppose |
| 19:30.54 | rabbitear_sdf | debian9 does everything for you |
| 19:31.09 | GreatEmerald | Not if you use debootstrap, apparently :D |
| 19:31.11 | rabbitear_sdf | GreatEmerald: check out reFINd |
| 19:31.33 | rabbitear_sdf | http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ |
| 19:31.41 | GreatEmerald | I know it, I like it (using it on the device I'm writing from), but that device already had GRUB, so I'm sticking with it |
| 19:31.53 | rabbitear_sdf | k |
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| 19:34.29 | ghormoon | feh seems to do the trick with --action0..9, good enough for me |
| 19:35.24 | webunicorn | pain, so much... computing pain |
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| 19:40.45 | GreatEmerald | Huh |
| 19:41.01 | GreatEmerald | When I try to boot, it says that it failed to execute /init |
| 19:42.38 | GreatEmerald | Ah, need to have syscall.x32=y |
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| 19:43.30 | michael2 | is this a bootable USB or harddisk? |
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| 19:46.57 | GreatEmerald | Hm, how do I get r600 firmware loaded |
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| 19:57.27 | GreatEmerald | Hum. Is any networking installed by default? |
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| 19:57.45 | GreatEmerald | I think I need at least a dhcp client... |
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| 20:16.36 | GreatEmerald | Woaah, can't install sddm |
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| 20:21.00 | grobi | o/ hello, can somone give me advice please? |
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| 20:21.48 | GreatEmerald | Hm, I don't get it |
| 20:21.58 | GreatEmerald | It says that there are unmet dependencies |
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| 20:22.08 | GreatEmerald | And that a bunch of them are not going to be installed |
| 20:22.15 | GreatEmerald | But they are all in the repos |
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| 20:25.05 | grobi | after installing and configuring lightdm and mugshot suddenly i can't choose wallpapers in desktop-settings under debian 9.4 |
| 20:25.26 | GreatEmerald | Hm |
| 20:25.48 | GreatEmerald | It says that libqt5core5a requires libicu57 |
| 20:25.55 | GreatEmerald | But I have libicu60 |
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| 20:30.34 | grobi | all my subfolders in desktopsettings are greyd out for normal or rootuser |
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| 20:34.41 | WoC | live iso has no network tools ? |
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| 20:34.52 | WoC | i.e. ifconfig ? |
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| 20:36.17 | apollo13 | WoC: ifconfig is deprecated since ages |
| 20:36.20 | apollo13 | WoC: use ip |
| 20:37.20 | GreatEmerald | Hrm, so what should I do about qt5core if it has a depends on the wrong libicu version |
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| 20:38.01 | GreatEmerald | The repo has libicu60, so it's odd that Qt5 would be compiled against a non-existant libicu57 |
| 20:38.05 | WoC | apollo13, wouldn't know of a way to prevent ethX from being renamed ? |
| 20:38.21 | apollo13 | GreatEmerald: which repo? stable has https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libicu57 |
| 20:38.30 | apollo13 | WoC: plenty |
| 20:38.32 | GreatEmerald | apollo13: x32 port |
| 20:38.51 | apollo13 | GreatEmerald: ah nevermind then, get something produced in 2000 |
| 20:39.02 | apollo13 | WoC: but did you check the docs? |
| 20:39.09 | apollo13 | WoC: then again, why does the renaming hurt? |
| 20:39.25 | WoC | ip requires the name |
| 20:39.27 | GreatEmerald | apollo13: x32 != i686 ;) |
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| 20:39.45 | apollo13 | WoC: so? |
| 20:40.02 | apollo13 | GreatEmerald: oh I read that as x86, wth is x32 :) |
| 20:40.33 | GreatEmerald | apollo13: amd64 with 32-bit pointers |
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| 20:40.48 | apollo13 | oh, how does one get that? |
| 20:40.53 | apollo13 | and more importantly why |
| 20:41.19 | GreatEmerald | Because this is a netbook with 700 MiB RAM |
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| 20:41.25 | bites | it's not officially supported. |
| 20:41.32 | GreatEmerald | Those pointers take up a lot of RAM |
| 20:41.40 | apollo13 | measured or are you just guessing? |
| 20:41.42 | GreatEmerald | Yea, x32 is a port |
| 20:41.45 | GreatEmerald | Measured |
| 20:41.56 | apollo13 | that said the time you are wasting in getting that to run would be cheaper if you'd just buy more memory |
| 20:42.25 | GreatEmerald | Can't, that's soldered on the board |
| 20:42.45 | GreatEmerald | Besides, it's fun to get x32 running |
| 20:42.59 | GreatEmerald | I had a Gentoo x32 install on it for a long time |
| 20:43.11 | GreatEmerald | But now long compilations don't work well any more |
| 20:44.15 | GreatEmerald | Anyway, in this case Qt5 is clearly compiled against the wrong thing. Is there a transition to icu60 in progress? |
| 20:44.21 | apollo13 | well I rather waste my time elsewhere, but just speaking from a business point of view; 5 hours work into the notebook would allow me to buy a new netbook for 1kâ¬â¦ |
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| 20:44.54 | GreatEmerald | Or should I report a bug about that |
| 20:45.06 | grobi | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=134541 my desktopsetting-issue seems to be a general one in stretch though.. |
| 20:45.10 | apollo13 | GreatEmerald: certainly not in stable |
| 20:45.17 | GreatEmerald | This is unstable |
| 20:45.27 | apollo13 | GreatEmerald: then yes https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/auto-icu.html |
| 20:45.42 | frazr | been listening to this for over an hour on repeat while programming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ20Wi2Nysg, am i disturbed? |
| 20:46.53 | apollo13 | GreatEmerald: but unstable has both icu57 and icu60; then again you are in the wrong channel for unstable |
| 20:48.07 | GreatEmerald | No libicu57 in the x32 port |
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| 20:48.30 | apollo13 | *shrug* have fun compiling then :þ |
| 20:48.53 | GreatEmerald | Hm, I cn do that? |
| 20:49.07 | bites | there is a very thin x32 dev channel on freenode. #debian-x32 |
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| 20:49.09 | apollo13 | one generally can, no idea if you can |
| 20:49.46 | GreatEmerald | Hm, that is quite thin |
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| 20:50.44 | bites | guess the demand for x32 isn't that high ^^ |
| 20:50.50 | apollo13 | thin as in number of users? what did you expect oO |
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| 20:51.05 | apollo13 | I mean the use cases are thin at best |
| 20:51.06 | GreatEmerald | Well, I compiled a lot of things on x32 so far, so it shold be doable |
| 20:51.44 | bites | if you are rebuilding packages they might appreciate your help. |
| 20:51.53 | GreatEmerald | But I'm not sure how one does that on Debian |
| 20:52.06 | apollo13 | time to read a few manuals I guess? :) |
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| 20:53.46 | GreatEmerald | Well, now I just need libicu57 |
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| 20:54.14 | GreatEmerald | Probably not very useful for x32 right now |
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| 21:08.08 | GreatEmerald | Hm, looks like it's working |
| 21:08.34 | GreatEmerald | debuild is proceeding with the build just fine |
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| 21:10.09 | Trel | On the ISO which includes non-free firmware, where should the firmware files be? the /firmware directory? |
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| 21:11.55 | bites | Trel: yep, in the form of .deb packages. |
| 21:12.30 | Trel | I think the wrong iso was uploaded to the mirrors then. There IS a /firmware directory, but it's empty |
| 21:13.14 | bites | can you show me the url you downloaded it from? |
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| 21:15.08 | Trel | bites: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:15.12 | Trel | the iso at the bottom |
| 21:15.21 | bites | they are meant to be symlinks to ../pool/ |
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| 21:16.06 | Trel | Hmm, that exists I think I know what may have happened |
| 21:16.26 | bites | do you really need the dvd image and not the netinst? |
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| 21:16.41 | Trel | Always |
| 21:16.44 | bites | presumably you download the firmware image to have network connection during install. |
| 21:16.56 | Trel | No, to have an offline installer |
| 21:17.11 | Trel | which the netinst obviously isn't |
| 21:17.17 | Trel | nor would one without firmware >< |
| 21:17.39 | bites | it is, just very minimal :D |
| 21:17.41 | Trel | I used Rufus to do the iso on a usb drive, I wonder if that broke the symlink |
| 21:17.50 | bites | yeah, probably. |
| 21:17.53 | Trel | I'll try it again in DD mode |
| 21:17.54 | bites | !rufus |
| 21:17.54 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 21:18.14 | Trel | I think DD mode may alleviate that issue then |
| 21:18.31 | bites | just cp the image to the drive. cp firmware.iso /dev/<whatever your drive> |
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| 21:19.11 | Trel | You mean the target drive? |
| 21:19.25 | Trel | or my installer? because if it can break other things I'd rather redoi t |
| 21:19.28 | Trel | *redo it |
| 21:19.32 | bites | yes, your usb drive or whatever you use to install. |
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| 21:20.55 | tuxmartin_ | Hi, how is possible to set variable in bash to file descriptor? This: ' a="hello world"; exec 5<(echo "$a") ' fail with error "/5/dev/fd/63: No such file or directory". This is what I need: https://gist.github.com/tuxmartin/4f7213643d9ae1096381c5542049fb95 |
| 21:21.21 | Trel | that would fix the firmware, but I'd imagine if it broke one symlink how I did it the first time, there's probably other things it broke, I'll try it in DD mode first to see if that fixes it, if not, I'll try one of the other options. |
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| 21:22.04 | Trel | 90% sure DD mode will fix it though since I'm pretty sure that's how w32diskimager does it |
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| 21:29.52 | Trel | (I'll report back with the results shortly) |
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| 21:32.24 | jesopo | where do i go to report a package being severely out of date, most likely due to the project shifting from sourcefudge to github? |
| 21:33.40 | Trel | bites: I can't say for sure it'll work to completion, but making the USB in DD mode fixed the firmware part ofit. |
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| 21:35.08 | Neo4 | :) |
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| 21:40.16 | annadane | jesopo, i believe you'd file a regular bug |
| 21:40.31 | jesopo | cool :o |
| 21:40.33 | jesopo | I will do so |
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| 21:47.36 | tx0h | can anyone tell me, why debian didn't release a more recent mono version with .net 4.7x ? |
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| 21:49.16 | annadane | well, as a general answer the software in debian stable is older due to stability reasons |
| 21:50.50 | tx0h | annadane: and now the more specific answer? :-) |
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| 21:51.07 | annadane | i don't know because i'm not familiar with the package |
| 21:51.40 | tx0h | they have it on 'watch' |
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| 21:52.27 | tx0h | the experimental and unstable releases didn't have no meanings anymore. i think, whole debian is stable these days |
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| 21:53.04 | Neo4 | debian is used .deb files, might you can use ubuntu packages too |
| 21:53.21 | annadane | no; bad idea |
| 21:53.28 | annadane | that's a great way to break your system |
| 21:53.30 | annadane | !don't break debian |
| 21:53.31 | dpkg | hmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 21:53.51 | tx0h | Neo4: oh no! mixing destros leads to disasters |
| 21:53.53 | Neo4 | annadane: why? ubuntu is based on debian, they are both backward compatible |
| 21:54.03 | annadane | anyway, i agree unstable can be fairly stable, not experimental, though - of course, you can't really install unstable packages into stable unless you know what you're doing |
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| 21:54.08 | Neo4 | tx0h: it's not mixing, kernel equal |
| 21:54.39 | Neo4 | tx0h: what is difference? They both use the same package manager apt-get |
| 21:54.51 | Neo4 | the same .deb |
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| 21:56.16 | bites | because the packages are built against different dependencies. they are not compatible. |
| 21:56.17 | tx0h | Neo4: believe me, bad idea. better to use alien then... |
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| 21:56.54 | bites | worst thing if you include foreign sources and you pull a bunch of dependencies which is very hard to repair. |
| 21:57.01 | Tenkawa | tx0h: whats he trying to do? |
| 21:57.23 | Neo4 | bites: include ubuntu repository to debian and use packages from there with dependencices |
| 21:57.40 | bites | Neo4: yes, that's how you break your system. |
| 21:57.42 | SlidingHorn | Neo4: please don't recommend things that will break people's system |
| 21:57.43 | tx0h | he tries to tell me, that i should use deb packages from another distro |
| 21:57.58 | Tenkawa | very bad idea |
| 21:58.07 | Tenkawa | do not mix distribution sources |
| 21:58.13 | Neo4 | bites: why not expend instead of breaking? |
| 21:58.40 | tx0h | you can, if you alien them to tgz and install in a separate path |
| 21:58.49 | Tenkawa | the packages are built specificly for the distro they are archived on |
| 21:58.54 | Neo4 | Tenkawa: but how they to do ubuntu? They take debian and include there their repositories, little customize |
| 21:59.01 | Tenkawa | no |
| 21:59.06 | Tenkawa | they rebuild them |
| 21:59.06 | bites | Neo4: because you can only have one version of a package. if you pull a different version of something, that other packages in debian need you get into a situation where apt can't resolve dependencies. |
| 21:59.36 | Neo4 | Tenkawa: ok |
| 21:59.49 | tx0h | meee.. and to make it even worse, i need mono 5.10x on armhf |
| 21:59.52 | Neo4 | Tenkawa: I though there all more simpler |
| 22:00.12 | Tenkawa | it just so happens some things are the same however not everything is |
| 22:00.14 | tx0h | i guess i need to compile it myself, get the source package from raspian |
| 22:00.19 | tx0h | raspbian, even |
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| 22:00.37 | Tenkawa | tx0h: well armhf is a completely different architecture |
| 22:00.48 | Tenkawa | you should be able to be able to get mono on x86 |
| 22:00.52 | Tenkawa | just a sec |
| 22:00.54 | tx0h | tenkawa: tell me more :-) |
| 22:01.18 | tx0h | but i don't want it for x86 |
| 22:01.27 | annadane | if you want to stay on stable you'd have to get it from another source other than testing/unstable unless you want to upgrade the whole system to testing/unstable which some (or many) people don't want; https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable |
| 22:01.37 | tx0h | it's for my tinkerboard, which comes with debian |
| 22:01.52 | Tenkawa | ahh you wnt it for the pi? there is a good pi channel on here too |
| 22:02.14 | annadane | i run sid so i consider it stable (but i take precautions and don't do things blindly) but don't expect other people to have my preferences |
| 22:02.17 | tx0h | no, i want it for the tinkerboard, which looks like rpi, but isn't |
| 22:02.18 | Tenkawa | tx0h: yeah my tinkerboard has been a nuisance |
| 22:02.41 | Tenkawa | mine has overheating problems |
| 22:03.00 | tx0h | tenkawa: mine runs a opensim :-) |
| 22:03.02 | Tenkawa | nice board otherwise |
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| 22:04.28 | tx0h | but i don't like to swtch to raspbian because of the hardware support of asus |
| 22:04.36 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 22:04.40 | Tenkawa | its pretty bad |
| 22:04.59 | annadane | there's a wiki page on how to install from ubuntu PPA but i can't find it now |
| 22:05.27 | annadane | (the *correct* way...) |
| 22:05.28 | tx0h | i already had a own yocto distro build but then i thought: why? |
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| 22:06.58 | tx0h | annadne, the best way is to use the deb source package, afaik |
| 22:07.57 | tx0h | but compile the complete mono package is a very nerve wracking |
| 22:08.11 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA |
| 22:08.15 | annadane | yes |
| 22:08.35 | annadane | alternatively you can also have a virtual machine running sid |
| 22:09.52 | Tenkawa | vm ftw |
| 22:10.12 | tx0h | annadane: i still talk about the tinkerboard, it's a tiny thingy. running a virtual machine is killing it. |
| 22:10.57 | annadane | fair enough |
| 22:11.04 | Tenkawa | qemu virtualization works great for that |
| 22:11.09 | Tenkawa | qemu+kvm |
| 22:11.28 | annadane | i'm going to despise virtualization, i can never get anything to work |
| 22:11.32 | annadane | s/going/coming |
| 22:11.38 | Tenkawa | to fix what you need to dump on the tinkerboard |
| 22:11.50 | Tenkawa | annadane: like what? |
| 22:11.55 | Tenkawa | works great here |
| 22:12.05 | annadane | things just refusing to run... tried both virt-manager and gnome-boxes |
| 22:12.20 | Tenkawa | dont put so much in front of it |
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| 22:12.44 | Tenkawa | If you can use the cli tools more |
| 22:13.00 | Tenkawa | it simplifies things a lot |
| 22:13.15 | annadane | possibly; i've never tried the pure CLI approach |
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| 22:14.15 | tx0h | i normally go with vagrant |
| 22:14.37 | tx0h | but not on this tiny thing |
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| 22:24.17 | TinkerTiger | It's official, I will be teaching Linux in the fall. I guess after 30 years of using it, I will actually have to learn something! |
| 22:25.53 | annadane | :) |
| 22:26.20 | annadane | eww. i installed vagrant: so many dependencies |
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| 22:28.31 | dvs | !pity TinkerTiger |
| 22:29.05 | TinkerTiger | chuckles at dvs. |
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| 22:29.47 | annadane | and now i can't get vagrant to work either |
| 22:29.52 | annadane | i'm such a genius |
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| 22:32.10 | TinkerTiger | If you break it and then get it working then you become more of a genius. |
| 22:32.48 | annadane | this is also true |
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| 22:38.47 | annadane | "--name BOX Name of the box" vagrant box add --name OpenBSD "This command was not invoked properly." |
| 22:38.49 | annadane | :| |
| 22:40.37 | Tenkawa | got any odd characters in there? |
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| 22:41.07 | TinkerTiger | raises a hand, "Oh, you're not talking about me." He puts his hand down. |
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| 22:41.39 | annadane | i don't think so..? |
| 22:42.38 | annadane | the problem is that nothing ever works as simply as virtualbox's plug and play ease of use |
| 22:43.14 | TinkerTiger | Pardon my ignorance but are you making a configuration file or is this command line? |
| 22:43.47 | annadane | no; just a simple invocation via command line |
| 22:44.18 | annadane | this is on sid, maybe it's broken for whatever reason |
| 22:44.33 | annadane | but i doubt it |
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| 22:46.13 | Tenkawa | annadane: tried strace'ing it? |
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| 22:48.03 | Divergenz | I have a problem with charset in .txt files on my debian server. I changed charset in nginx and my locale is utf 8 but in textfiles i have errors. |
| 22:48.24 | annadane | i have not, i'll try it |
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| 22:48.42 | Tenkawa | Divergenz: do you set your LANG and such in your env? |
| 22:48.49 | Tenkawa | and what errors> |
| 22:48.50 | Tenkawa | er ? |
| 22:49.30 | Divergenz | error with german umlauts |
| 22:50.39 | Tenkawa | I use to know this area but I am extremely rusty |
| 22:51.17 | Divergenz | LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 22:51.34 | Tenkawa | is nginx getting started up with that too> |
| 22:51.35 | Tenkawa | er ? |
| 22:51.57 | Tenkawa | in its startup env |
| 22:52.19 | Tenkawa | not necessarily in its settings |
| 22:52.30 | Tenkawa | but in the server itself |
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| 22:52.40 | Tenkawa | thats just a thought though |
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| 22:55.23 | Divergenz | i changed source_charset utf-8; to charset utf-8; in nginx and it works now. |
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| 22:55.34 | Tenkawa | cool |
| 22:55.44 | Tenkawa | glad thats all it was |
| 22:56.14 | Divergenz | hehe yea thanks :) |
| 22:56.41 | Tenkawa | np.. was just here to listen :) |
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| 22:57.02 | Tenkawa | didnt really help,. you figured it out |
| 22:57.44 | Tenkawa | you are welcome though |
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| 23:15.48 | TinkerTiger | Sossdddddddddd |
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| 23:20.47 | TinkerTiger | My job is usually not much more then reminding people of what they already know rather then me giving them new information they have never seen before. |
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| 23:45.33 | jak2000 | when i try access my site i get an error: Internal server error, its because the .htaccess is the problem here my htaccess: https://paste.debian.net/1024421/ Invalid command 'Header', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration wich is bad? |
| 23:46.11 | somiaj | jak2000: is this apache, nginx, or something else? |
| 23:46.33 | jak2000 | apache2 |
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| 23:46.56 | somiaj | looks like that requires mod_headers, https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_headers.html, make sure that module is enabled/installed. |
| 23:48.18 | jak2000 | ok i do: cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ ln -s ../mods-available/headers.load headers.load and service apache2 restart |
| 23:48.40 | jak2000 | now the error is: Problems to load page |
| 23:48.45 | jak2000 | the error.log say: |
| 23:50.16 | jak2000 | " .htaccess: Invalid command 'Header', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration " |
| 23:51.09 | somiaj | check to see if the module actually loaded. |
| 23:51.11 | jak2000 | a2enmod headers say: Module headers already enabled |
| 23:52.16 | somiaj | unsure if #httpd could give better help, I don't know what the issue could be if the module is enabled but it is still saying not defined. |
| 23:52.47 | jak2000 | not answer :( |
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| 23:54.12 | somiaj | sometimes waiting around in the smaller channels is helpful. Slower replies, but usually get someone more knowedgable |
| 23:54.30 | Tenkawa | is your .htaccess permissions correct ? |
| 23:54.36 | Tenkawa | in the directory? |
| 23:54.46 | jak2000 | Tenkawa see: |
| 23:54.56 | Tenkawa | otherwise I think i think it bypasses it |
| 23:55.21 | somiaj | I would think it woudn't even try to read the .htaccess file if it had bad permsions. |
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| 23:55.42 | Tenkawa | somiaj: not neccessarily |
| 23:55.46 | jak2000 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jak jak 1868 jul 31 2017 .htaccess |
| 23:56.10 | jak2000 | bad permission? |
| 23:56.26 | Tenkawa | cant remember,, checking |
| 23:57.09 | Tenkawa | 705 or 755 |
| 23:57.27 | Tenkawa | execute bit |
| 23:57.43 | Tenkawa | is specific part thats missing |
| 23:57.48 | jak2000 | 705? |
| 23:57.56 | somiaj | that seems really strange that .htaccess needs the execbit, it has never needed it on my limited experince. |
| 23:58.05 | somiaj | the premissions look fine to me. |
| 23:58.27 | Tenkawa | I'm getting conflicting documentation |
| 23:58.32 | Tenkawa | (figures) |
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| 23:59.22 | Tenkawa | checking directly with apache docs |
| 23:59.47 | somiaj | jak2000: the error.logs don't mention anything about the mod_headers being loaded or not? |
