| 00:00.04 | mutante | ~/.config/chromium/Default$ file Bookmarks |
| 00:00.05 | mutante | Bookmarks: UTF-8 Unicode text |
| 00:00.14 | mutante | rant: ^ check that |
| 00:00.33 | rant | nm.. I was looking at the wrong volume.. heh.. no wonder there was no ~/.config/chromium :P |
| 00:00.58 | rant | the user I'm looking for is on the one device I cant access with this machine |
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| 00:01.42 | rant | doesnt have a mini ide dongle |
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| 00:10.08 | graff | alright, I have started over with deban 9 |
| 00:10.24 | graff | a new set of problems, this time it actually looks like a bug in sed |
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| 00:10.34 | graff | sed -e unterminated expression |
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| 00:11.05 | graff | this is ofc after a huge maze of different options it ushers you through |
| 00:11.22 | graff | going to try installing coreutils first to see if that will give me a better sed impl |
| 00:11.45 | graff | idk if my vendors are using unstable debian but this is a bug |
| 00:12.25 | graff | anyway, i will look into that. but if anyone can help walk me throught the simplest possible setup of gitlab on debian 9 that'd be nice |
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| 00:12.53 | graff | my last one had a messed up mail server, so i tried some ubuntu guide that suppsedly just works with ubuntu 16 and that also failed |
| 00:12.59 | graff | so i have tried 3 OS |
| 00:13.02 | z33dd_ | hi |
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| 00:14.14 | graff | hmm, already installed |
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| 01:32.05 | blah_ | hi all - running into an oddball problem where I try to do an apt update and nothing happens; no list of packages, nothing. It doesn't return me to a functional cursor either |
| 01:32.59 | blah_ | when I hit ctrl-c, I get File "/usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover", line 126, in <module> |
| 01:33.16 | blah_ | followed by address = get_proxy_host_port_from_avahi() |
| 01:33.17 | blah_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.17 | blah_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.17 | blah_ | KeyboardInterrupt |
| 01:33.40 | blah_ | any ideas what is wrong with my setup? |
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| 01:42.04 | just_learning | I'm running Linux project-desktop 4.15.0-kali3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.15.17-1kali1 (2018-04-25) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:42.50 | somiaj | !kali |
| 01:42.50 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 01:45.05 | just_learning | I'm in there as well |
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| 01:45.43 | somiaj | that is the proper place for kali support, this channel is for debian proper. |
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| 01:46.09 | just_learning | point taken |
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| 01:56.26 | KNERD | Why does Opera browser remember its location on a multi screen setup, but Firefox does not? |
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| 02:13.21 | tw | KNERD: probably because firefox lets the WM decide where to place its window instead of presuming to use PPosition or USPosition. |
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| 02:14.13 | KNERD | tw: So this behavior can be changed_ |
| 02:14.24 | tw | if they don't follow the standards for window placement, sure. |
| 02:14.47 | KNERD | i mean for Firefox |
| 02:14.56 | KNERD | but thanks.. I will ook into that |
| 02:15.00 | tw | I also mean for firefox. |
| 02:15.32 | KNERD | ok |
| 02:15.35 | KNERD | thanks |
| 02:15.56 | tw | It's the WM's job to place windows, not the application. Yes, applications can specify location, but it's probably better to teach the WM how to place them the same. |
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| 02:20.07 | KNERD | yes, true |
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| 02:54.30 | just_learning | ok, well I've isolated the issue that I am running into regarding updates through apt to squid-deb-proxy |
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| 02:55.07 | just_learning | How can the squid-deb-proxy be pulled out so I can perform normal updates without the proxy being in place? |
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| 03:02.00 | karlpinc | What is the right way to get my ssh client to not pass xterm-256color as the value of $TERM to the remote end. I don't want color. I want to put something in ~/.ssh/config, probably. |
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| 03:02.09 | tw | just_learning: I suspect you can check your /etc/apt dir for a line like Acquire::http::Proxy "somethingsomething"; and comment it out or remove it. |
| 03:03.27 | kever | Hi guys, I met "E: Couldn't find these debs: iproute" when I want to start LXC in jessie, could some one give me some clue to fix this ? |
| 03:04.09 | kever | I have modify the /etc/lxc/default.conf to 'lxc.network.type = none' |
| 03:06.50 | kever | Here is the full log: https://paste.debian.net/1024879/ |
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| 03:13.45 | tw | #891221 |
| 03:13.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/891221 in lxc (open, confirmed): «stretch's lxc fails to create sid container: iproute not found»; severity: important; opened: 2018-02-23; last modified: 2018-02-23. |
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| 03:24.05 | karlpinc | Looks like there is no good way to do what I want. |
| 03:26.42 | kever | Thanks, tw and judd |
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| 03:29.07 | karlpinc | I have resorted to this 'alias ssh="TERM=xterm ssh" |
| 03:29.29 | karlpinc | in my ~/.bashrc. But that's sucky for lots of reasons. |
| 03:30.15 | karlpinc | !tell kever about judd |
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| 03:38.31 | graff | karlpinc: if you have to do it all the time may as well make it a function |
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| 03:38.52 | graff | meh, doesn't really matter though. both are hacky i guess |
| 03:40.12 | kever | I can't find my template file :( |
| 03:40.33 | kever | karlpinc: What do your mean? |
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| 03:42.07 | dfcnvt | Hello, I recently installed 'nvidia-driver'. I would like to learn if anything, need to resolve around Nvidia on my current new Debian 9 system. |
| 03:44.32 | dfcnvt | Last I read, someone said that I need to blacklist nouveau, check in xorg, confirm driver has been installed. |
| 03:45.43 | dfcnvt | I mean, fill me in what's normally the best routine to get the nvidia properity (non-free) to work. |
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| 03:56.36 | karlpinc | kever: judd is a bot. |
| 03:57.21 | karlpinc | graff: If I make it a function there's all sorts of hackery involved in argument passing, etc. May as well be an alias. |
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| 03:59.31 | graff | karlpinc: probably want $* for complex argument passing |
| 03:59.49 | graff | $@ being the move obvious choice |
| 04:00.13 | graff | i understand though yeah |
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| 04:00.39 | karlpinc | graff: "$@". Or something. Shell is painful. |
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| 04:04.58 | graff | karlpinc: maybe "$*" |
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| 04:06.26 | Tywin | I can't believe just how insanely backwards debian is. I apt-file show packages and all that they have is a script that creates symlinks. This is fucking unmaintainable. /rant |
| 04:06.39 | Tywin | No wonder the packaging is ancient and broken even on sid |
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| 05:02.57 | KindaNoob | How to rename network interfaces? |
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| 05:03.40 | KindaNoob | I tried add files into /etc/systemd/network, but it doesn't work |
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| 05:04.39 | somiaj | KindaNoob: you can use udev for that, using the old /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules rule works, though you'd have to look up the syntax. |
| 05:04.54 | somiaj | Though why do you want to rename them? Do you just want to go back to the old naming scheme from perdicible interface names? |
| 05:05.30 | KindaNoob | nope, I wanna meaningful names |
| 05:06.08 | somiaj | the perdicible interface names have meaning if you learn to read them, but just write a udev rule if needed |
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| 05:06.33 | KindaNoob | I tried it, but still got errors |
| 05:06.59 | KindaNoob | KERNEL="originalname" ATTR{address}="MACADDRESS" NAME="new_name" |
| 05:07.03 | KindaNoob | like that |
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| 05:08.55 | KindaNoob | What if I havn't 70-persistent-net.rules? |
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| 05:09.12 | somiaj | you won't, that is the old script before predicible interface names. |
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| 05:09.25 | somiaj | but you can probably look up details about what was in it |
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| 05:10.09 | somiaj | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-rename-ethernet-devices-named-using-udev/ something like that |
| 05:13.00 | dgriffi | what is "predictable interface names" supposed to mean anyway? After they got rid of eth0, eth1, etc by default, it was like the interfaces starting having random names. pissed me off. |
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| 05:17.58 | somiaj | dgriffi: eth0, eth1, etc are first come first serv naming, so it is only determined by the order the kernel detects the cards, and sometimes this changes with different boots, or if you add another card you could change the names of all your interfaces |
| 05:18.17 | somiaj | dgriffi: perdictiable uses info about what pci slot it is in, and other things, so the card gets the exact same name each and every time you boot. |
| 05:18.53 | dgriffi | somiaj: I lost a hosted VM a couple weeks ago because the host couldn't keep the names straight. |
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| 05:19.23 | dgriffi | it confused the hell out of the system and wound up unstable. when it was working, only inbound connections worked. |
| 05:19.31 | dgriffi | then it died completely. |
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| 05:19.51 | somiaj | yea, I think there was some issues with virtual interfaces where such things like pci slots didn't mean much |
| 05:20.31 | somiaj | and on a system that only has a single network card, like a vm, it may not seem that useful. There are ways to disable the new naming system. But on physical machines with multiple network cards (or changing cards) it can be helpful |
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| 05:20.42 | dgriffi | couldn't there be a way that one can map "predictable" interfaces to the eth0, eth1, ... namespace? |
| 05:20.55 | somiaj | well then you coulnd't predict it. |
| 05:21.28 | somiaj | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ there is the offical description |
| 05:21.36 | KindaNoob | nope, it still can't rename device |
| 05:21.54 | dgriffi | somiaj: I mean like "barfychickenscratch0 --> eth0"\n "nerfherderpoopbucket3 --> wlan0" and so on. |
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| 05:22.21 | dgriffi | linode gives me at least six interfaces... often many more. |
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| 05:22.45 | somiaj | well why not use regular names, the names you get actually have meanings, but I'm not sure on all the detais. |
| 05:22.47 | dgriffi | at the height of this instability, the names would change with each boot. |
| 05:22.58 | somiaj | all my machines were upgrades from jessie, so my interfaces never cahnged due to the old udev rule. |
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| 05:23.26 | somiaj | but just use the kernel parameter net.ifnames=0, and disable it if it isn't working right. |
| 05:23.44 | dgriffi | somiaj: the server was too far gone for that to help |
| 05:24.07 | AliceKelly | hello. its been a while since ive used deb. wen i execute startx as root it works fine. but when i execute startx as user it fails. iforget the file name but cant i copy the conf file to my user directory and chmod it ? |
| 05:24.10 | dgriffi | how about this... map MAC addresses to desired eth0, wlan0, ... names? |
| 05:24.58 | somiaj | dgriffi: you could talk to systemd about this, not much we can do about changing it here. |
| 05:25.23 | dgriffi | somiaj: systemd was the other half of why my server soiled itself. |
| 05:25.55 | somiaj | AliceKelly: how does it fail? stretch no has a non-set uid xorg, which means you need to ensure your user is in the proper groups. There are ways to get a setuid xorg back, sometimes that helps |
| 05:26.20 | somiaj | dgriffi: this sounds to much like a systemd rant and not support. |
| 05:26.24 | somiaj | !xorg root |
| 05:26.24 | dpkg | From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards (xorg-server 1.17.3-1), the Xorg server is no longer setuid root, reducing the risk of privilege escalation security problems. This relies on logind and libpam-systemd and moves the logs to ~/.local/share/xorg; use the xserver-xorg-legacy package and see Xwrapper.config(5) if you'd rather a setuid root X. |
| 05:26.31 | somiaj | AliceKelly: ^^ that maybe part of it |
| 05:27.12 | AliceKelly | x starts as user but i get only verticle lines on the left of screen. i been beating my self sideways with xorg and man |
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| 05:28.45 | dgriffi | somiaj: sorry... I'll sit down now. |
| 05:29.31 | KindaNoob | doens't work |
| 05:29.37 | KindaNoob | Why it so hard? |
| 05:29.50 | KindaNoob | Why I always have these problems? |
| 05:29.55 | KindaNoob | Nobody has it, only me |
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| 05:30.48 | AliceKelly | somiaj: i dont understand the answer. can you dumb i down a little. how toadd user to xorg ? |
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| 05:48.49 | awal1 | AliceKelly, what do you have in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config? |
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| 05:54.15 | KindaNoob | ok, I'm done with one interfaces |
| 05:54.27 | KindaNoob | second still has original name |
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| 06:03.07 | ViperXL75 | good morning |
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| 06:05.25 | ViperXL75 | Trying to create a persistent tap0 interface on my Debian9-stretch. I've been throwing some configs into the /etc/network/interfaces. But so far no joy. Anyone in here has experienced creating persistent tap interfaces for Debian9-stretch? |
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| 06:06.30 | karlpinc | !errors |
| 06:06.30 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 06:09.29 | ViperXL75 | ah |
| 06:09.39 | ViperXL75 | <pastebin> |
| 06:09.42 | ViperXL75 | !pastebin |
| 06:09.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 06:10.09 | AliceKelly | its good n fucked up now |
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| 06:15.26 | ViperXL75 | I hope i'm doing it right. I need some help with persistent tap interface for Debian9-stretch. Please see my config in this pastebin: http://paste.debian.net/1024886/ |
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| 06:31.33 | ViperXL75 | oh. Turns out i was missing the "auto tap0" command. |
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| 06:40.41 | adam_ | Hey. I have a really quick, and strange issue I've never seen before. I'm running as root, and can run a script I made in root's home directory fine. Yet when I move that script to /usr/local/bin, I get the error "/bin/bash: warning: shell level (1000) too high, resetting to 1" |
| 06:40.59 | adam_ | Why would the location of the script affect this? |
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| 06:41.54 | adam_ | More importantly, why would it say I have 1000 shells open? I'm fairly sure I don't. |
| 06:43.31 | adam_ | If anyone has any ideas at all, I'd love to hear them |
| 06:44.05 | adam_ | I'm not sure if it would affect anything, but this is on a small ARM device, somewhat like a Rasp Pi |
| 06:44.55 | adam_ | The contents of the script are irrelevant. Even something like "#!/bin/bash\n ls" is affected |
| 06:45.16 | AndreasLutro | googling "shell level" it's certainly not the amount of shells open |
| 06:45.56 | adam_ | SHLVL is 1. |
| 06:46.13 | adam_ | Using ssh. |
| 06:46.43 | AndreasLutro | you're sure you're running the exact same script in the exact same way as when it was in /root? |
| 06:46.57 | adam_ | I just mv-ed it to /usr/local/bin, yeah |
| 06:47.14 | AndreasLutro | because I think either you have some recursion going on in your script, or you're not invoking the script you think you're invoking, or there's something really weird system-wide |
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| 06:47.50 | adam_ | It ran fine in /root. Moving it to /usr/local/bin and calling it, either by the full path or the name, invokes weirdness and seems to freeze the system |
| 06:48.27 | AndreasLutro | can you show the script? does it create subshells? maybe it behaves differently based on where it's located? |
| 06:49.30 | adam_ | #!/bin/bash |
| 06:49.31 | adam_ | ls |
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| 06:49.37 | adam_ | ^ That's the entirety |
| 06:49.47 | adam_ | It was originally something else, but it's irrelevant |
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| 06:50.53 | AndreasLutro | okay this is definitely too weird for me to diagnose over irc then, but I'd strace the script next and see what's going on there |
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| 06:51.35 | adam_ | Maybe. I'll have to wait for the device to come back online |
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| 06:54.54 | adam_ | Incidentally, after I create the script, call it, and the system freezes, I have to power off the device. When I restart, the script is gone. Can I assume that's just ext4's cache not having been written to the hardware yet? |
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| 06:57.49 | AndreasLutro | uuh no that's probably wrong |
| 06:58.01 | AndreasLutro | sounds more like the script is somehow deleting itself |
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| 07:01.17 | adam_ | That's black magic |
| 07:01.59 | adam_ | Or debian gave me a weird version of ls |
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| 07:03.54 | Stummi | adam_, whats your scripts name? |
| 07:03.56 | adam_ | Well, I can still give the strace, but the command seems to be working now. |
| 07:04.22 | AndreasLutro | heisenbug |
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| 07:04.23 | adam_ | Currently "arbitrary", or whatever. |
| 07:04.50 | Stummi | so the scripts name does not matter as well for your issue? |
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| 07:06.42 | adam_ | Um. Actually, yes it does. I originally (accidentally) named it after another program. I'm an idiot; sorry. |
| 07:07.45 | AndreasLutro | you said you called it by the full path so I didn't probe further about that :) |
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| 07:07.57 | adam_ | I did, actually. |
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| 07:08.57 | adam_ | So why would this have an effect? Wouldn't the system interpret the program as being either one or another, particularly the one I explicitly call? |
| 07:09.22 | adam_ | Obviously bad practice to have two scripts named the same thing, but I'm honestly curious as to why this would happen |
| 07:09.32 | AndreasLutro | hard to say without knowing the exact commands you invoked |
| 07:09.41 | AndreasLutro | for all we know, you called /usr/bin/whatever instead of /usr/local/bin/whatever |
| 07:09.56 | adam_ | iptables-restore. |
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| 07:11.09 | adam_ | Okay, but what confuses me is: Firstly, I'm 90% sure I called /usr/local/bin/, secondly, even if I called, /usr/bin, the command should have completed successfully or thrown an error, and thirdly, I'm 100% sure I ./iptables-restore from inside /usr/local/bin |
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| 07:12.06 | adam_ | The command I used is "iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.conf" |
| 07:12.34 | adam_ | *was |
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| 07:14.04 | AndreasLutro | sounds impossible, but if you copy-paste a terminal showing the script, its location, and the command you're invoking, maybe we can spot the mistake |
| 07:14.07 | AndreasLutro | something like this https://paste.debian.net/1024894/ |
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| 07:14.59 | AndreasLutro | wild guess; did your custom iptables-restore script call iptables-restore? |
| 07:15.08 | adam_ | It did. |
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| 07:15.58 | AndreasLutro | well that's probably the recursion I was talking about then. the script was calling itself over and over again |
| 07:16.31 | adam_ | Oh. Of course. I apologize for the stupid question. |
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| 07:17.31 | rainfyre | There are no stupid questions. Only stupid recursions. |
| 07:17.52 | AndreasLutro | don't worry about that. just make sure you give accurate information when asking for help :) |
| 07:18.04 | adam_ | I did |
| 07:18.05 | adam_ | Wait |
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| 07:18.33 | adam_ | Actually. Do you have an idea why just "ls" would invoke this behavior if called from a script named iptables-restore? |
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| 07:19.25 | AndreasLutro | no. are you able to reproduce it by modifying /usr/local/bin/iptables-restore to just "#!/bin/bash\nls"? |
| 07:19.39 | AndreasLutro | if you're willing to try of course ;) |
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| 07:21.59 | adam_ | Ehhhh, I would be, except for that it's apparently functioning normally. I'll chalk it up to my own faulty memory (Maybe I named the script in which I invoked "ls" "ls" as well?). |
| 07:22.03 | adam_ | :/ |
| 07:22.17 | adam_ | Thank you all very much. |
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| 07:24.50 | user03 | hi, # ip a , ens3 ... link/ether 25:a3:12:d0:dc:6b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff ? 25.a3 .. is this the hardware adress? |
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| 07:25.34 | Fox | user03: yes it is |
| 07:25.44 | Fox | called "mac address" |
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| 07:27.11 | adam_ | ifconfig -a is slightly more readable, ymmv |
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| 07:28.33 | user03 | adam_, no ifconfig more on debian 9 |
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| 07:28.55 | user03 | thanks |
| 07:29.24 | AndreasLutro | you can get it back by installing net-tools if you really want |
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| 07:29.40 | michael2 | what is the equivalent to ifconfig? ip a? |
| 07:29.45 | sevennnnnnn | ip -s -c -h a is what i use |
| 07:30.00 | michael2 | what does that do? |
| 07:30.10 | sevennnnnnn | makes it look pretty lol |
| 07:30.11 | adam_ | Ah, I had it on mine after upgrading from Jessie; I hadn't known it was deprecated. |
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| 07:30.49 | michael2 | theres nothing worse than unformatted output |
| 07:31.00 | AndreasLutro | that's short for `ip address --short --color --human-readable` |
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| 07:31.17 | AndreasLutro | er, stats, not short |
| 07:31.34 | AndreasLutro | oh and ip doesn't use --, brilliant |
| 07:32.14 | AndreasLutro | and you need flags before the `address` part, what the hell, I hate cli tools that enforce this :( |
| 07:32.22 | adam_ | The one problem I have with that is that it occasionally isn't perfectly vertically aligned |
| 07:33.23 | adam_ | Whoops nvm bad bash config |
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| 07:36.27 | michael2 | AndreasLutro: thats how cli commands are structured usually. <command> <options> -- <arguments> |
| 07:37.13 | AndreasLutro | yeah I know. but for convenience sake I always enjoy it when I can slap options at the end rather than having to move my cursor back a whole bunch |
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| 07:37.47 | adam_ | Do control + arrow keys work to move back words? |
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| 07:38.01 | michael2 | AndreasLutro: you're a rule breaker |
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| 07:38.45 | Fox | adam_: Meta-b to move back a word |
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| 07:38.58 | AndreasLutro | yeah I know... |
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| 07:48.38 | date_night | Has anyone here done the self host setup process for kanboard? |
| 07:49.40 | date_night | I have installed apache2, `sudo service apache2 status` shows active (running) |
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| 07:50.09 | date_night | I "think" i've installed sqlite3 and php |
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| 07:51.19 | date_night | but when I type http://localhost/kanboard, it shows the Not Found error |
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| 07:54.11 | Fox | date_night: did you install php ? |
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| 07:55.37 | date_night | Fox: I used sudo apt install php php7.0 php7.0-sqlite3 |
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| 07:56.29 | Fox | date_night: you're missing libapache2-mod-php7.0 |
| 07:57.21 | date_night | that's installed as a dependency |
| 07:57.28 | Fox | k |
| 07:57.39 | michael2 | how do you specify a NIC to ip command? |
| 07:57.43 | Fox | where did you put le kanboard directory ? |
| 07:58.14 | SwedeMike | michael2: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:58.15 | date_night | Fox: I tried putting it in /var/www and /var/www/html, both dont work |
| 07:58.52 | michael2 | run `ip a' but specific to an adapter - dont want to know about every NIC on the system |
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| 08:01.08 | date_night | I have also tried sudo chmod www-data:www-data kanboard-1.2.3/data but still didnt work |
| 08:01.31 | michael2 | chmod changes modes not user |
| 08:01.51 | date_night | sorry i meant chown |
| 08:01.54 | Fox | date_night: as said michael2 you had to use chown |
| 08:01.57 | Fox | ah |
| 08:03.00 | date_night | Fox: The installation instruction from the official docs, dont have much guide https://docs.kanboard.org/en/latest/admin_guide/installation.html |
| 08:03.08 | michael2 | chown www-data is pretty dangerous if running ona real server too |
| 08:03.14 | date_night | Or maybe I just have no clue |
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| 08:03.44 | date_night | michael2: should I change it back to root:root ? |
| 08:04.17 | jolt | michael2: ip a l(ist) dev <foo0> |
| 08:04.20 | michael2 | yes, but www-data needs to be allowed to read scripts - but not change them |
| 08:04.31 | michael2 | jolt: aha, thanks |
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| 08:04.57 | michael2 | ip help is too hard to read |
| 08:05.21 | jolt | michael2: Yeah, it's a bloody mess. And I've been using linux since 1995 |
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| 08:06.06 | date_night | michael2: permission for data/ is 755 and the files inside is 644, is that good? |
| 08:06.09 | michael2 | gnu has a format for --help - its really readable I wish more programs used that format |
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| 08:08.00 | michael2 | date_night: what is data/ used for? |
| 08:08.17 | michael2 | and how owns it? |
| 08:08.24 | jolt | date_night: Yeah, thats pretty default |
| 08:08.26 | michael2 | s/how/who/ |
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| 08:09.13 | date_night | michael2: kanboard-1.2.3/data/ is now owned by root, contain 1 file: web.config |
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| 08:10.56 | michael2 | aas long as your app doesn't need to create files in data/ yes thats more secure than giving the app ownship of dir |
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| 08:11.57 | date_night | The install instruction says "Check if the directory data is writeable by the web server user" |
| 08:12.09 | date_night | But Im not sure how to set that up |
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| 08:12.51 | michael2 | ah ok, then www-data needs write perms - but only on that dir |
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| 08:13.52 | michael2 | sudo chmod 777 data/. |
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| 08:14.51 | date_night | michael2: currently it is owned by root, do i need to chown that as well? |
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| 08:15.52 | HoloIRCUser1 | Hi, Can I restore Secure Boot after installation? |
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| 08:17.36 | adam_ | Debian doesn't support secure boot afaik |
| 08:17.57 | adam_ | So if you restore it I don't believe that you'd be able to boot into Debian |
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| 08:18.22 | date_night | michael2: I have set the data/ dir permission is 777 , the web.config inside is still 644 |
| 08:18.45 | date_night | and chown -R www-data:www-data data/ |
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| 08:20.15 | HoloIRCUser1 | Ah ok, I had for Ubuntu a start in insicure boot, but SucureBoot was activeted... |
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| 08:24.04 | michael2 | date_night: you've made the directory full open permissions for everybody - so the owner doesn't matter at this point but only use 777 as a last resort limited to only the directoy that needs it |
| 08:25.56 | date_night | michael2: Gotcha, the browser shows the apache2 debian default page when i go to localhost/, but when I do localhost/kanboard, it shows the Not Found error :/ |
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| 08:26.41 | michael2 | date_night: Ive got to go. sorry. good luck |
| 08:26.49 | date_night | :( |
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| 08:26.53 | date_night | Yea |
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| 08:29.14 | user03 | is a debian lxc continer slow? .. Debian versions tested are too slow .. https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
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| 08:29.48 | Fox | date_night: let's get that straight: what is the exact path of your kanboard directory ? if it's /var/www/kanboard-1.2.3/data/ you will never see your kanboard at http://localhost/kanboard/ but only at http://localhost/kanboard-1.2.3/data/ |
| 08:30.47 | date_night | Fox: and if it is in /var/www/html/ ? |
| 08:31.43 | Fox | date_night: what is the defaut apache root ? I don't remember |
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| 08:32.27 | Fox | date_night: it's /var/www/ so put the directory in /var/www/ |
| 08:33.14 | date_night | I think I've seen people put it in /var/www and /var/www/html |
| 08:33.50 | Fox | putting it in both is unnecessary |
| 08:34.06 | date_night | Well all those guides are for Ubuntu so I dont know if it is applicable to Debian |
| 08:34.41 | Fox | it's just apache and a bungh of php script, should be exactly the same |
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| 08:36.34 | Fox | s/bungh/bunch/ |
| 08:36.43 | date_night | So youre saying it doesnt matter if the directory is in /var/www/ or /var/www/html? |
| 08:36.44 | at0m | grep -R "/var/www" /etc/apache2/ |
| 08:37.06 | Fox | date_night: it DOES matter, one will, work, the other will not |
| 08:37.28 | at0m | grep and you'll find out soon enough where apache's conf points to |
| 08:37.31 | Fox | just grep as at0m said, and you'll find out where to put those files |
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| 08:41.25 | jelly | date_night: "apachectl -S" will show configured VirtualHost entries and their DocumentRoot s |
| 08:42.00 | jelly | ok, it won't show DocumentRoots but will tell you which files to look at |
| 08:42.29 | date_night | at0m |
| 08:42.37 | date_night | 's command shows 5 output |
| 08:43.02 | date_night | 3 says DocumentRoot /var/www/html |
| 08:43.27 | HoloIRCUser1 | Thank you |
| 08:43.49 | date_night | Another line shows /etc/apache2/apache2.conf:<Directory /var/www> |
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| 08:46.01 | date_night | jelly: ok so the in the output of sudo apachectl -S, there is a line "Main DocumentRoot: "/var/www/html"" |
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| 08:46.09 | Fox | date_night: if you just installer apache you shoud only have one virtualhost in /Etc/apache2/sites-enabled/, look at this file, this will be the right DocumentRoot |
| 08:46.21 | Fox | installeD |
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| 08:47.33 | jcordell | I am running 9.4 and I created a rc.local and put in in touch /tmp/foo when I boot the file is not there? any one know why |
| 08:47.41 | date_night | Fox: yup i see it, there is a 000-default.conf says DocumentRoot /var/www/html |
| 08:48.08 | date_night | Maybe I missed a package / or a step in the middle somewhere |
| 08:48.22 | date_night | Going to delete this vm and restart from the beginning |
| 08:48.31 | Fox | wow, why ? |
| 08:48.41 | Fox | just put your files in /var/www/html/ |
| 08:49.38 | quackslikeaduck | or just make it easy and stick within the /root folder, and not make a mess and all these sub folders that you will forget in 10 minutes. 8) |
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| 08:55.19 | armin | hi. i'm using xautolock along with some customized i3lock-wrapper-script that i wrote. this is working nicely. however, when i have my screen locked, my graphics card would quickly just turn the output signal off after a couple of minutes, causing the display to go to standby mode until there's some signal again. i'm unsure where this behaviour comes from, any hint? |
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| 08:56.54 | date_night | Fox: lol for some magical reason it is working now, pretty sure it just fixed itself...somehow |
| 08:57.08 | date_night | but thanks for the help Fox |
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| 08:57.23 | armin | wizardfox. |
| 08:58.06 | date_night | yea I swear I tried putting the directory in /var/www/html before and it didnt work but now it is working |
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| 09:01.53 | s_t_s | hello all, I've got problem - I want to extract ~1.5TB tar.gz file, but when tar zxf file.tar.gz I get OOM kill the process |
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| 09:05.34 | armin | s_t_s: you won't get around your computer using ram to decompress some tar/gz i assume. |
| 09:05.57 | armin | s_t_s: you could however just add some weid amounts of swap space, e.g. by adding a swap file. |
| 09:05.59 | s_t_s | armin: maybe other program which not allocating some much ram |
| 09:06.11 | armin | s_t_s: wat? |
| 09:06.31 | s_t_s | armin: when I untaring tar program allocate archive into ram |
| 09:06.59 | s_t_s | armin: I guess all content of archive |
| 09:07.03 | armin | yeh |
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| 09:08.33 | Fox | date_night: you're welcome |
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| 09:14.51 | myxenovia | hi |
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| 09:15.05 | myxenovia | how can i reboot my raspbian as a root user? |
| 09:15.13 | myxenovia | im tired doing everything through cmd |
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| 09:20.51 | vlt | myxenovia: `shutdown -r now` |
| 09:20.52 | rozie | myxenovia: sudo -i from pi user |
| 09:21.04 | rozie | should give you root access |
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| 09:22.48 | dfcnvt | What's the shortcut keys for lock screen in Debian 9? I tried (Ctrl Alt L). |
| 09:23.13 | Fox | dfcnvt: not sure that depends on the OS |
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| 09:23.20 | dfcnvt | Debian 9. |
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| 09:24.18 | Fox | dfcnvt: kde ? gnome ? xfce ? else ? |
| 09:24.25 | dfcnvt | Uhh, gnome, I believe so. |
| 09:24.33 | Fox | it dosesn't depend on debian/ubuntu/else |
| 09:24.54 | dfcnvt | Yes, Gnome 3.22.2 |
| 09:25.28 | dfcnvt | Er, I gotta go - have work by 6am |
| 09:25.54 | Fox | dfcnvt: and better ask gnome instead of debian ;) |
| 09:26.01 | dfcnvt | I'll just use my cursor's to click and log off (can't find lock screen as well) |
| 09:26.09 | dfcnvt | K, thanks |
| 09:26.45 | Fox | dfcnvt: but i guess you're not using gdm, and you should to lock session/screen |
| 09:27.21 | dfcnvt | noted. |
| 09:27.27 | dfcnvt | gtg |
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| 09:28.44 | myxenovia | rozie it says cant read /var/mail/pi |
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| 09:34.00 | at0m | myxenovia: don't need mail. can you log in as pi? then sudo su and "reboot". but that's not #debian, it's #raspbian |
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| 09:51.21 | Florianai | hello folks |
| 09:51.46 | Florianai | i need some short advice o n how to connect through umts broadband modem |
| 09:52.06 | Florianai | im using debian 8.1 and xfce - used network manager to setup the connection |
| 09:52.27 | Florianai | but i cant find a connect button or something to dial in - any advice ? :) |
| 09:52.39 | shtrb|laptop | install modemmanger |
| 09:53.06 | shtrb|laptop | Florianai, you need to have modemmanger installed (and it should be identified by the system) |
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| 09:54.28 | jcordell | I am running 9.4 and I created a rc.local and put in it the command touch /tmp/foo when I boot the file is not there? any one know why |
| 09:55.09 | shtrb|laptop | tmp is not persisntant |
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| 09:55.40 | Florianai | isnt this working out of the box ? im running a live cd and dont have internet connection on the ma chine |
| 09:55.42 | jcordell | I know but it should be there at the end of the boot process I would have thought |
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| 09:56.48 | shtrb|laptop | jcordell, /tmp can be just tmpfs (meaning it will not be there after next reboot) |
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| 09:57.37 | jcordell | ok I changed it to opt its still not there. I'm not convinced that rc.local is running |
| 09:58.07 | shtrb|laptop | Florianai, first check if the modem is identified, and make sure you click on the correct option in network-manager (in the interface that has ethernet connection click on the 4G icon) |
| 09:59.14 | Fox | jcordell: you "created" a rc.local ? why ? doesn't default /etc/rc.local fit your needs ? |
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| 09:59.48 | jcordell | it was not present after install |
| 10:00.15 | shtrb|laptop | The project that shall not be named ... |
| 10:00.19 | Fox | ok, maybe mine came with the upgrade from jessie |
| 10:00.21 | shtrb|laptop | *systemd |
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| 10:01.50 | Florianai | shtrb|laptop, im getting my laptop over here |
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| 10:03.19 | Florianai | i cant find any icon related to the mobile connection |
| 10:03.36 | shtrb|laptop | Is it one of the built-in modems ? |
| 10:03.51 | Florianai | yep its built in |
| 10:04.07 | shtrb|laptop | Does the connection name you created listed in NM applet ? |
| 10:04.08 | Florianai | and in the network manager it was recognized as lenovo |
| 10:04.24 | Florianai | yep it was listed |
| 10:04.36 | shtrb|laptop | right click on it , and choose connect |
| 10:04.46 | Florianai | but now the whole network manager applet isgone |
| 10:05.02 | Florianai | i only see the outlines (the frame of it) |
| 10:05.08 | shtrb|laptop | that sound like a bug or you clicked outside |
| 10:05.21 | shtrb|laptop | it could be that nm has issues with your modem |
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| 10:05.42 | shtrb|laptop | can you check with lsusb or lspci what is the modem infromation so we could google with that info ? |
| 10:06.21 | shtrb|laptop | speaking of modems, does old audio based modems need to have /dev/ttyUSBn + /dev/audiointerface or just /dev/ttyUSBn ? |
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| 10:07.02 | jcordell | my question is does /etc/rc.local require a package and or chmod to execute upon bootup? |
| 10:07.22 | colo-work | as long as the file is executable, it will be run |
| 10:07.24 | shtrb|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:07.33 | shtrb|laptop | *should be used |
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| 10:07.59 | Florianai | okay lusb isnt working |
| 10:08.09 | shtrb|laptop | lsusb not lusb |
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| 10:08.44 | Florianai | lspci says intel 7260 wireless |
| 10:09.01 | shtrb|laptop | !paste |
| 10:09.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:09.23 | Florianai | nothing specific on a modem |
| 10:09.26 | shtrb|laptop | and that sound like your wifi card |
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| 10:09.56 | Florianai | Lenovo N5321 gw is what the network manager say s |
| 10:10.00 | shtrb|laptop | lspci or lsusb should have your modem listed , what laptop model it is ? I could search by it |
| 10:10.38 | AndreasLutro | pastie.org is not what I expected |
| 10:10.49 | shtrb|laptop | the N5321 is a good start |
| 10:10.53 | jcordell | I chmod 'ed it and added #!/bin/sh and now it works thanks |
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| 10:12.42 | mamalos | hey all! |
| 10:12.56 | mamalos | I've downloaded the live image of debian 9 (xfce) |
| 10:13.33 | mamalos | is there a way to run the installer within the live system? (after X has started) |
| 10:14.24 | shtrb|laptop | Florianai, can you check logs when you try again to click on connect |
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| 10:15.40 | Florianai | i cant find any connect button |
| 10:15.53 | Florianai | maybe i have to restart the live system first |
| 10:16.27 | shtrb|laptop | you will loose the options , you can try restarting the nm |
| 10:16.34 | shtrb|laptop | systemctl restart network-manager |
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| 10:23.44 | Florianai | system has shutdown anyway |
| 10:24.08 | Florianai | hope this will work out now |
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| 10:25.28 | Florianai | so system is running, im opening nw manager and setup the conNECTION |
| 10:26.13 | Fox | mamalos: sudo debian-installer-launcher --text maybe ? |
| 10:26.55 | Fox | mamalos: or just 'sudo debian-installer-launcher' if you want it full screen |
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| 10:28.29 | Florianai | okay so the network manager applet only shows enable mobile broadband, enable wifi and enable networking |
| 10:28.39 | Florianai | plus edit connections |
| 10:28.42 | shtrb|laptop | click enable mobile brodband |
| 10:28.49 | Florianai | its enabled |
| 10:29.04 | Florianai | okay |
| 10:29.35 | mamalos | Fox: it seems that I'm logged-in as root and there's no debian-installer-launcher executable |
| 10:29.45 | Unit193 | #851282, #844611 |
| 10:29.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851282 in debian-installer-launcher (open): «debian-installer-launcher: Don't work»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-13; last modified: 2017-01-13. |
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| 10:30.09 | mamalos | Fox: after running find on / I find /lib/live/mount/medium/dists/stretch/main/debian-installer |
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| 10:30.23 | mamalos | and /lib/live/mount/medium/pool/main/d/debian-installer-utils |
| 10:30.30 | Florianai | what to do now? |
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| 10:31.30 | mamalos | ha, but I can install it via apt :) |
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| 10:31.44 | Fox | mamalos: did you try to install it ? even if it should already be there |
| 10:31.54 | Fox | oh, didn't see what you just said :) |
| 10:32.00 | shtrb|laptop | Florianai , do you see your connection listed ? |
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| 10:32.34 | Florianai | i can see the connection in the network connections window (manager) and it slisted in the applet as well |
| 10:32.39 | mamalos | Fox: Ye, I've installed it and when running it it complains by: |
| 10:32.42 | andrea_ | Hi, Hi I think I have a problem with gpg key, help me please... |
| 10:32.50 | mamalos | no suitable d-i initrd image found, aborting. |
| 10:32.59 | mamalos | umout: /liv/live/installer: mountpoint not found |
| 10:33.01 | shtrb|laptop | Florianai, perfect hover over it with your mouse and you should have a "Connect" button appear |
| 10:33.08 | mamalos | let me google it one sec |
| 10:33.26 | Meerkat | Will this be patched by Debian? https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8jfcrr/is_your_email_client_affected_by_the_efail/dz06sth/ |
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| 10:34.19 | Florianai | in the applet |
| 10:34.23 | Florianai | or in the manager? |
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| 10:35.06 | shtrb|laptop | in the applet |
| 10:35.09 | Florianai | in the applet there is only one line men tion ing the connection |
| 10:35.19 | Florianai | where it says enable mobile broadband |
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| 10:35.47 | Florianai | by hovering over this nothing appears |
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| 10:36.01 | Florianai | i tried to re enablenetworking |
| 10:36.15 | shtrb|laptop | left click on it ? |
| 10:36.23 | Florianai | It says disconnected |
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| 10:36.49 | andrea_ | this is my problem : http://pastebin.it/235/ |
| 10:37.00 | Florianai | the network connection has been disconnected |
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| 10:38.19 | shtrb|laptop | tail /var/log/syslog to give us more information (put it on some paste site) |
| 10:39.08 | mamalos | hmmm...I'm not sure I'll manage it. |
| 10:40.02 | mamalos | If the launcher is not already installed, there seem to be problems with launching it. After some googling people having the same problem don't seem to have resolved it. |
| 10:40.40 | Florianai | modem state locked |
| 10:40.55 | mamalos | what I need to do is to be able to control the installation process remotely (since I don't have physical access to the server, but i can get somebody put a DVD/USB to boot from it) |
| 10:41.12 | Florianai | ttyACM1 prepairing device - modem state locked |
| 10:41.54 | shtrb|laptop | Florianai, please use a paste site and give us the lines you got |
| 10:41.55 | shtrb|laptop | !paste |
| 10:41.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:41.58 | mamalos | and since I need to do some configuration regarding raid1/LVM it'd be best if I did it instead of instructing the person that has physical access to it do it (who's not a *NIX user) |
| 10:42.14 | Florianai | yeh i would love to but i dont have internet on the machine im working on |
| 10:42.27 | introom | how do you install docker on debian unstable? |
| 10:42.29 | shtrb|laptop | something before the modem state locked ? |
| 10:42.34 | introom | (the current version in the repo is too old) |
| 10:42.37 | mamalos | So this is why I thought about the live image, since I was able to install VNC on it and manage it remotely |
| 10:43.03 | shtrb|laptop | tell introom about next |
| 10:43.07 | shtrb|laptop | !next |
| 10:43.08 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 10:43.13 | shtrb|laptop | !debian-next |
| 10:43.13 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:43.30 | Florianai | nope, only prepairing device |
| 10:43.35 | Florianai | after thatmodem statelocked |
| 10:43.49 | shtrb|laptop | just to be sure your sim card does not need a pin code correct ? |
| 10:44.05 | Florianai | it does need one |
| 10:44.30 | andrea_ | this is my problem : http://pastebin.it/235/ help me please |
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| 10:47.41 | Fox | andrea_: ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg and paste the result |
| 10:47.49 | Florianai | i was never asked to insert my pin |
| 10:47.58 | Florianai | but the card needs one im sure |
| 10:49.14 | Florianai | now the modem is enabled |
| 10:49.31 | andrea_ | Fox, -rw------- 1 root root 32 mag 15 22:14 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 10:49.43 | Florianai | but the applet is gone again omg :D |
| 10:50.03 | Fox | andrea_: sudo chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg && sudo apt update |
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| 10:51.48 | Florianai | OHMYGOD ITS WORKING |
| 10:52.17 | andrea_ | http://pastebin.it/236/ Fox |
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| 10:53.21 | Fox | why do people always set the lang to ther mother tongue ? i'm frensh and always setup lang as en, it makes it easier to search google with error messages |
| 10:53.27 | Fox | s/ther/their/ |
| 10:53.38 | Fox | french would be better too :) |
| 10:53.52 | shtrb|laptop | Florianai, sorry was out for a few sec, what have you done ? |
| 10:54.08 | shtrb|laptop | Fox, old vs young users |
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| 10:54.40 | Fox | wait.. oh my god you're right, i'm f*cking old :( |
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| 10:54.57 | shtrb|laptop | :D |
| 10:55.11 | andrea_ | there isn't a command to reset repository with their keys? |
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| 10:56.23 | andrea_ | Have I to allow not affidable repository in Apper? Maybe? |
| 10:57.01 | Fox | andrea_: did you try to google for "E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian stretch/updates Release' does not have a Release file." ? |
| 10:57.15 | Fox | should help you a lot, time to eat for me, got to go |
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| 10:57.25 | andrea_ | ok, thank you |
| 10:57.32 | Fox | you're welcome |
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| 11:26.25 | pragomer | is it somehow possible to use virt-manager and virtualbox simultanly with kvm ? |
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| 11:29.48 | shtrb|laptop | Florianai, what was your fix ? |
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| 11:31.36 | tw | pragomer: no, they're different hypervisors. |
| 11:32.10 | tw | you could run qemu without kvm, but there's not a whole lot of point to that. |
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| 11:49.39 | pragomer | ok. a pitty, but reasonable. thanks for the info |
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| 12:05.34 | dionysus69 | how do I install 'clang-4.0' has no installation candidate |
| 12:05.40 | dionysus69 | 3.9 is available |
| 12:05.53 | dionysus69 | but 4.0 was supposed to be available on ubuntu 16.04, which is jessie |
| 12:06.02 | dionysus69 | and I am on stretch so what's going on |
| 12:07.49 | AimHere | dionysus69, could it be that stretch doesn't h ave clang-4.0 yet? |
| 12:08.00 | dionysus69 | dunno |
| 12:08.04 | dionysus69 | not into c |
| 12:08.09 | dionysus69 | just need it as dependency |
| 12:08.20 | dionysus69 | is opening backports a solution |
| 12:08.22 | dionysus69 | ? |
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| 12:09.26 | themill | 1:4.0.1-1~themill9+1 exists indicating that it is trivially backportable... |
| 12:09.53 | dionysus69 | or not https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch-backports&keywords=clang-4.0 |
| 12:10.00 | dionysus69 | it is in buster |
| 12:10.13 | themill | and you can rebuild it yourself for stretch if you need it |
| 12:10.19 | dionysus69 | hmm how? |
| 12:10.25 | themill | !ssb |
| 12:10.25 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 12:10.42 | themill | ,checkbackport clang-4.0 |
| 12:10.43 | judd | Backporting package clang-4.0 in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
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| 12:41.48 | tw | clang-3.9 is about the same era as gcc-6.3 so it makes sense. Annoying when trying to get new versions of mesa working because of the llvm version dep. |
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| 12:44.11 | ov3rmind | hello grat guys, its ever a pleasure tc with yours! |
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| 12:54.38 | graff | I am trying to run an instance of qemu on my debian gitlab server, as a hack to handle the runners with a single machine |
| 12:55.12 | graff | but when i got to boot debian again, itself inside of qemu -curses, I am getting this error which I have seen many time |
| 12:55.39 | graff | it says "screen 800 x 600" in blue and you can't see anything else |
| 12:55.48 | graff | it seems almost like a curses bug |
| 12:56.05 | graff | qemu is def running back behing it |
| 12:56.51 | graff | i don't quite understand this error, i thought it was related to terminal size. but increasing my terminal resolution isn't helping much |
| 12:57.01 | graff | unless this laptop's resolution itself is too small |
| 12:57.46 | graff | decreasing my terminal font size and making the terminal larger isn't helping much * |
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| 13:04.57 | `whoami` | When installing from a non-uefi system, is there a way to tell debian to create the UEFI partition ? |
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| 13:05.42 | petn-randall | `whoami`: There is no such thing as uefi partition. |
| 13:05.51 | petn-randall | `whoami`: Do you mean GPT? |
| 13:06.15 | dionysus69 | he probably means efi system partition |
| 13:06.19 | `whoami` | oh, maybe yes. |
| 13:06.25 | petn-randall | Or that. |
| 13:06.45 | `whoami` | i'd go with the efi system partition |
| 13:07.00 | petn-randall | `whoami`: No, you must boot in UEFI mode to create that. |
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| 13:08.52 | tw | You can manually create it with the partition editor thingy, but debian won't install a uefi bootloader there. |
| 13:09.04 | jelly | really, isn't it just a vfat partition with a specific type |
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| 13:10.02 | `whoami` | oh okay. I'll ask google for more info, thanks for the hints |
| 13:10.12 | tw | It must be fat32 regardless of size. |
| 13:10.17 | tw | but yes. |
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| 13:10.28 | graff | remembers when a good pair of bootloaders would last 25 years |
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| 13:10.46 | petn-randall | jelly: Yes, and no. To boot from it you also must tell your UEFI to select that specific PE32 bootloader. |
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| 13:11.53 | dionysus69 | 100mb fat32 is standard for it |
| 13:12.09 | dionysus69 | I don't remember if GPT partition table type is a requirement though |
| 13:12.15 | `whoami` | I was used to install the system using qemu, and then dd the raw image to some usb stick, but that UEFI thing (I believe) makes it more complicated |
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| 13:14.00 | graff | "640 x 480 Graphic mode" |
| 13:14.10 | graff | and it just sticks there |
| 13:15.05 | graff | `whoami`: look at the way the UEFI is handled for the live version of debian |
| 13:15.12 | petn-randall | `whoami`: You can do a UEFI instlal with qemu. You just need ovmf. |
| 13:15.38 | graff | well the installer, idk if debian-live still exists |
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| 13:16.53 | `whoami` | ooh thanks petn-randall |
| 13:18.34 | roylaprattep | Hi, Samba transfer is very slow, someone can explain me how to optimize it? |
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| 13:19.18 | petn-randall | `whoami`: libvirt has an option to use that. Just select 'customize before installation', then in 'overview' -> Hypervisor details you can select the EFI firmware. |
| 13:19.38 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Is the client or the server Debian? |
| 13:20.44 | roylaprattep | Debian file server with samba installed, when downloading from a Windows 10 workstation, so damn slow... 1mo/sec |
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| 13:21.16 | roylaprattep | I have tried this with no luck: socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=524288 SO_SNDBUF=524288 IPTOS_LOWDELAY |
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| 13:21.36 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: TCP_NODELAY will make it slower. |
| 13:21.47 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: IPTOS_LOWDELAY probably too. |
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| 13:22.30 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Those increase interactivity of the connection at the cost of network throughput. You don't want to set that for file transfers. |
| 13:22.39 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: How fast is the link between both machines? |
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| 13:22.50 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: 1gbps |
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| 13:23.43 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Try running 'atop' on the Debian server, if there's anything in red that might be the bottleneck. |
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| 13:23.47 | sddfhyf | Hello all, i have a problem with SFTP over SSH |
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| 13:24.29 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:24.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:24.32 | graff | alright, actually i used my instructions for builing a mipsel VM image and it is "just working" |
| 13:24.36 | sddfhyf | i can't connect : https://pastebin.com/raw/CZcNg35i |
| 13:24.46 | sddfhyf | Have you got any idea please ? |
| 13:24.54 | graff | something was wrong with the x86_64, probably on my debian 8 host |
| 13:26.04 | petn-randall | sddfhyf: It says "Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /var/backups/backupMysql". What are the permission on that directory? |
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| 13:27.36 | graff | this will be good too, because my runner can also be an exotic target |
| 13:28.44 | sddfhyf | petn-randall, /var/backups/backupMysql/ is owned by another user. Is it a problem ? |
| 13:29.01 | petn-randall | sddfhyf: If your user can't read from it, yes. |
| 13:29.11 | graff | actually i wonder if gitlab-runner will even work on mipsel, probably wasting my time |
| 13:30.22 | armin | why would anyone capitalize the M letter in that dir name? |
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| 13:31.58 | sddfhyf | petn-randall, i should no have to get an error... --> /var/backups/backupMysql/ ---> (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 34/ backup) Gid: ( 34/ backup) |
| 13:32.14 | graff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:35.20 | petn-randall | sddfhyf: Is the x bit set for all directories above it? |
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| 13:37.19 | pron | !peen |
| 13:37.23 | pron | :/ |
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| 13:37.52 | petn-randall | pron: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 13:38.17 | pron | i have lots |
| 13:38.27 | petn-randall | sddfhyf: Check 'man sshd_config' and read up on the ChrootDirectory parameter. It has fairly specific expectations on how the layout must be. |
| 13:38.28 | Haohmaru | i'm not convinced |
| 13:38.45 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:38.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:38.49 | petn-randall | pron: ^^^ |
| 13:38.57 | pron | for example how to use bridge and tagged vlan in debian preseed |
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| 13:39.15 | Fox | sddfhyf: If my memory is ok the ChrootDir should be 755 |
| 13:39.32 | pron | ooor why joe editor has is being autochoose even tho it is the most unintuitive from all of those |
| 13:39.47 | petn-randall | pron: How far did you get setting it up it up yourself? |
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| 13:39.58 | graff | doesn't sound like it honors EDITOR? |
| 13:40.12 | Fox | sddfhyf: less or more would result in an authentication failure |
| 13:40.32 | petn-randall | Fox: Not quite, but the details are in 'man sshd_config'. |
| 13:40.40 | Fox | k |
| 13:40.53 | pron | petn-randall: what do you mean how far i got ?:D it works if i reconfigure it after install |
| 13:41.00 | armin | pron: did you look at "update-alternatives --display editor"? |
| 13:41.12 | pron | i did , but why the hell it is so high .. |
| 13:41.15 | petn-randall | pron: Great! So do you need help with anything else? |
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| 13:41.25 | pron | i got trapped into it several time so far |
| 13:41.28 | pron | without internet |
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| 13:42.20 | pron | petn-randall: how its great ? preseed has noting to do with stuff i can do manualy after install |
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| 13:42.54 | sddfhyf | petn-randall, in fact my sftp (ssh) home is inside an other home directory. What shoud i do ? |
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| 13:43.33 | sddfhyf | permission for /var/backup/backupMysql is good (myuser) |
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| 13:43.54 | Fox | sddfhyf: change "ChrootDirectory %h" to "ChrootDirectory /the/right/path" |
| 13:44.19 | petn-randall | sddfhyf: As the docs say, all components above need to be root owned and not editable by other users. So you'll have to move things around to make it possible. |
| 13:44.37 | petn-randall | *all path components |
| 13:45.33 | pron | armin: also have u used joe editor? |
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| 13:46.13 | petn-randall | !u |
| 13:46.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:46.22 | pron | graff | doesn't sound like it honors EDITOR? and no it honors that alternatives auto setting , wich for some reason will choose joe if it is installed |
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| 13:46.52 | petn-randall | pron: Have you tried changing it via alternatives yet? Sounds like you didn't do that yet. |
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| 13:47.36 | pron | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.59 | pron | you want to cry or stab people |
| 13:48.20 | petn-randall | offers some cheese to pron's whine. |
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| 13:48.37 | pron | cheese wont help , defaults should be sane imo |
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| 13:48.46 | pron | thats one of the pats of making people happy |
| 13:48.52 | pron | paths* |
| 13:49.01 | pron | and your "product" awesome |
| 13:49.04 | petn-randall | pron: The wonderful things about defaults is that you can change it to whatever you need. Whining won't get you anywhere. |
| 13:49.04 | pron | just saying |
| 13:49.15 | graff | you had me until the "awesome product" part |
| 13:49.20 | graff | sounds lame |
| 13:49.23 | pron | nope |
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| 13:49.40 | pron | so far debian is linux of my choise but it slowly slpping away |
| 13:49.42 | pron | :P |
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| 13:49.56 | pron | atfer 10 years |
| 13:49.59 | graff | I was saying that 7 years ago though |
| 13:50.00 | pron | winks |
| 13:50.23 | graff | guessing whatever you are sensing is much slower than you think |
| 13:50.31 | graff | like watching a tree grow old and die |
| 13:50.33 | pron | also it isnt toomuch of whining |
| 13:50.41 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 13:50.42 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:50.42 | graff | too many whines yes |
| 13:50.44 | pron | its some point abiut hwo to improve debian |
| 13:50.57 | pron | dont trap ppl in weird editors |
| 13:51.13 | pron | i perosnaky gona find my ways, not everyone will |
| 13:51.18 | graff | puts pron into an instance of nano |
| 13:51.37 | petn-randall | pron: or ... just don't install joe then? |
| 13:51.37 | graff | now try and ctrl-X your way out of that |
| 13:51.42 | Fox | changing defaults doesn't necessarily improve things |
| 13:51.47 | pron | i hate nano too but its not that furstarting as joe |
| 13:51.56 | pron | so nano can be sane choise |
| 13:51.58 | pron | :P |
| 13:52.02 | petn-randall | pron: You're still rambling ... |
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| 13:52.07 | pron | i am not |
| 13:52.10 | pron | :P |
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| 13:52.31 | pron | petn-randall: its not always an option , some cloud providers install it for some reason |
| 13:52.40 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 13:52.42 | pron | and include in their default image |
| 13:52.52 | pron | :P~ |
| 13:52.54 | petn-randall | pron: I guess you now know who to turn to? |
| 13:53.24 | pron | my original question was why debian has choosen joe for the editor of the year? |
| 13:53.39 | pron | i am curious |
| 13:53.46 | petn-randall | pron: This is getting boring fast. It hasn't. Your "cloud" provider has. |
| 13:53.59 | pron | well editors have priorities right? |
| 13:54.04 | pron | yes/no? |
| 13:54.12 | petn-randall | *plonk* |
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| 13:54.26 | RedSoxFan07 | What happened to ipconfig? |
| 13:54.49 | jolt | RedSoxFan07: I guess you mean ifconfig, but anyway, "ip" is the default |
| 13:54.55 | petn-randall | RedSoxFan07: It's still on windows last time I checked. |
| 13:55.03 | pron | oh we have trolls here |
| 13:55.07 | RedSoxFan07 | petn-randall: I meant to say ifconfig |
| 13:55.12 | pron | explains eveything |
| 13:55.13 | RedSoxFan07 | jolt: Okay. |
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| 13:55.25 | RedSoxFan07 | jolt: How do you start up networking in the CLI? |
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| 13:55.44 | Fox | pron: YOU call people troll ? now that's fun :) |
| 13:56.00 | pron | ppl? no |
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| 13:56.04 | pron | why would i |
| 13:56.07 | petn-randall | RedSoxFan07: You can still have it by installing net-tools. |
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| 13:57.03 | jolt | RedSoxFan07: Configure it in /etc/network/interfaces and run ifup <nic>? |
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| 13:57.26 | somiaj | RedSoxFan07: I personally prefer editing the /etc/network/interface file and then using the scripts ifup/ifdown, they use ip now, and take care of the details for me. |
| 13:57.27 | jolt | RedSoxFan07: or "ip link set dev <nic> up && ip addr add 172.16.0.5/24 dev <nic>" |
| 13:57.37 | perr-paranoic | Hi, someone can help me with these outputs http://www.debianitalia.org/node/18080 |
| 13:57.40 | perr-paranoic | ? |
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| 14:07.35 | james1138 | Question about Debian repositories. Anyway to add XORG or XFCE to a user's repository?? |
| 14:08.36 | babilen | What do you mean? |
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| 14:09.35 | james1138 | Babilen - what about going into Synaptic and adding XORG or XFCE as a 3rd party repo |
| 14:09.51 | babilen | What are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:10.00 | petn-randall | james1138: Why do you need a 3rd party repo for that? Those things are already in Debian. |
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| 14:11.10 | james1138 | I heard sometimes a update becomes available before being added to the repo |
| 14:11.35 | babilen | That is very much in the nature of software development and distribution, yes |
| 14:12.21 | babilen | Things change constantly, are being tested, integrated with other software, fixed and finally released as a new release |
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| 14:13.48 | babilen | And yes, you could add additional 3rd party repositories (if available) and install packages from there. This might or might not break your Debian system, but it is definitely possible. |
| 14:14.42 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian summarises some thoughts concerning the "break" aspect |
| 14:15.03 | babilen | In the end it boils down to: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:15.16 | babilen | Once you know that, you can figure out steps to achieve that goal |
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| 14:16.01 | james1138 | Humm... sounds like not worth the risk. I shall not try then. Thanks. The main reason was to stay up-to-date with intel-microcode and intel video drivers for my Thinkpad laptop. |
| 14:16.24 | babilen | judd: v intel-microcode |
| 14:16.25 | judd | Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20180425.1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20180425.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 3.20180425.1; sid |
| 14:16.26 | judd | /non-free: 3.20180425.1 |
| 14:17.03 | babilen | You can grab current intel-microcode from stretch-backports (which contains newer software version in packages that have been built for stretch) |
| 14:17.07 | babilen | dpkg: strech-backports |
| 14:17.07 | dpkg | wish i knew, babilen |
| 14:17.12 | babilen | dpkg: stretch-backports |
| 14:17.12 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 14:17.49 | james1138 | Stretch-backports? |
| 14:17.55 | babilen | yeah |
| 14:18.06 | perr-paranoic | Hi, someone can help me with these outputs http://www.debianitalia.org/node/18080 ? |
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| 14:19.20 | RedSoxFan08 | brig: http://paste.debian.net/1024961/ |
| 14:19.33 | RedSoxFan08 | oops. wrong chat. |
| 14:19.35 | babilen | perr-paranoic: What does "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring" give you? |
| 14:20.19 | petn-randall | This usually happens when you upgrade from wheezy to stretch, skipping jessie. |
| 14:21.15 | babilen | perr-paranoic: What changes have you performed on that box that resulted in this error? |
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| 14:21.47 | james1138 | I shall check that out. Thanks |
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| 14:21.56 | perr-paranoic | babilen, debian-archive-keyring: |
| 14:21.56 | perr-paranoic | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.57 | perr-paranoic | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.57 | perr-paranoic | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.57 | perr-paranoic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.16 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 14:22.25 | perr-paranoic | I'm sorry |
| 14:22.30 | introom | i'd like to use the latest docker. |
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| 14:22.40 | introom | but it's absent in debian. |
| 14:22.40 | petn-randall | perr-paranoic: No worries, check the /topic for where to put that instead. |
| 14:22.51 | babilen | perr-paranoic: No worries .. Unfortunately I have to go now. If you could tell us more about the history of your box, that would help |
| 14:22.59 | introom | snapd is a choice, however, the docker on snapd is also outdated. |
| 14:23.15 | babilen | introom: Upstream provides packages (docker-ce) |
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| 14:23.26 | introom | so how to install the latest (or more updated) docker? |
| 14:23.28 | perr-paranoic | petn-randall, I don't understand what I have to do? |
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| 14:23.37 | petn-randall | introom: If you need the latest and greatest, upstream has their own repo. |
| 14:23.57 | petn-randall | perr-paranoic: It says: "NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste" |
| 14:24.12 | petn-randall | perr-paranoic: if you `/msg dpkg paste`, you will get instructions where to put it. |
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| 14:25.31 | perr-paranoic | petn-randall, http://pastebin.it/238/ |
| 14:26.10 | introom | babilen: petn-randall sadly they don't support sid |
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| 14:26.38 | petn-randall | introom: Yes, that's not surprising, sid is not release. |
| 14:26.44 | petn-randall | *a |
| 14:28.08 | introom | on the other hand, will the docker.io package ever get updated? |
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| 14:38.47 | bitess | you can't expect docker in the debian archives to be usable ever. docker release and support schedule just doesn't fit debian's. |
| 14:39.33 | mischief | anyone know how to disable logind session locking |
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| 14:41.55 | introom | petn-randall: i found linuxbrew might be a choice |
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| 14:44.08 | petn-randall | introom: Or use docker in a stretch VM. |
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| 14:45.25 | LTCD | How can I set $JAVA_HOME equal to something? Do I put it into /etc/environment?? |
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| 14:46.44 | bluenemo | hi guys. A question about /etc/logrotate.d/some-tool.conf -> prerotate. Do I HAVE to make that multiline and finish it with "endscript" or can I just do sth like "postrotate echo foobar" in one line and omit the endscript? |
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| 14:47.16 | frikinz | Hello. I have a systemd /luks question. I see in syslog messages like dev-disk-by\x2duuid-902dfaf8\x2d7661\x2d4af3\x2da6fd\x2d13aa441b02e5.device: Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-902dfaf8\x2d7661\x2d4af3\x2da6fd\x2d13aa441b02e5.device/start failed with result 'timeout'. The thing is, UUID 902d is not anymore present in my system, it was an encrypted volume which I now regenerated. THere is no more mention of |
| 14:47.22 | frikinz | 902d... in /etc. Where does systemd find this old information? How can I reset it? |
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| 14:47.40 | frikinz | LTCD: bash_profile is a good place to put environment variables, per user |
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| 14:49.58 | roylaprattep | Jesus, don't know why Samba transfer so slow, any options that I tried isn't improving anything... |
| 14:51.03 | frikinz | discovers #systemd |
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| 14:52.40 | voices | is there a way to have a kind of pseudo directory that shows the collective contents of multiple other directories? |
| 14:52.42 | voices | like a symlink that can point to several locations simultaneously |
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| 14:53.03 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Have you tried my suggestion yet? |
| 14:53.15 | LTCD | frikinz: Thought so thanks! |
| 14:54.01 | tw | voices: I think unionfs and overlayfs both support multiple backends, but you can't update them. |
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| 14:54.57 | frikinz | Regarding my question, #systemd help. systemctl daemon-reload. Another systemd command I discover :( |
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| 14:55.15 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: Yes, nothing wrong in atop. |
| 14:55.39 | voices | tw: are they like whole new filesystems |
| 14:55.51 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Do you get 1Gbps via other connections? |
| 14:56.11 | tw | voices: stacked, virtual filesystem. |
| 14:56.16 | tw | So yes, and no. |
| 14:56.25 | voices | sounds complicated |
| 14:56.30 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: Yes. |
| 14:56.47 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: What connection type? |
| 14:56.51 | tw | It's kind of complicated, but afaik, it's the only way to do what you requested. |
| 14:56.52 | voices | im surprised this isnt a standard thing |
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| 14:57.20 | roylaprattep | From my router to my laptop, 1gbps |
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| 14:57.39 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: And from your windows to your Debian machine? |
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| 14:58.03 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: Via Samba? |
| 14:58.07 | frikinz | voices: it is standard, part of kernel 3.18+ |
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| 14:58.16 | frikinz | talking about overlayfs |
| 14:58.19 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: No, via the "other" method you're measuring. |
| 14:58.52 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: It would also be good to know how you're measuring it. |
| 14:59.50 | tw | voices: fwiw, you're asking for the filesystem to implement the equivalent of an sql view. It's not a simple thing to keep coherent through filesystem updates, flock(), or what-have-you. |
| 15:00.31 | tw | Most people would just monitor both directories separately; that even performs better. |
| 15:01.02 | tw | Why do you want to merge everything into one directory? How do you plan on handling collisions? |
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| 15:02.41 | voices | tw: i haven't planned on it really |
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| 15:03.11 | tw | And the first part of that question? |
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| 15:07.21 | voices | i have a few ideas of how it maybe could work if someone were to develop it, but i would probably have to learn C |
| 15:07.41 | voices | tw: what was the first part, i must have missed that |
| 15:07.49 | tw | voices: why do you want it all in 1 dir? |
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| 15:08.17 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: Same speed via SCP and SFTP... So Samba is not the problem? |
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| 15:09.21 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Right. |
| 15:09.27 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: That's why I asked. :) |
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| 15:09.48 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: Jesus, what can it be?! Only transfer between my server and windows is slow |
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| 15:10.33 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Are they on the same network? |
| 15:10.37 | roylaprattep | Yes. |
| 15:10.51 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Are they *both* connected via Ethernet at 1Gbps? |
| 15:10.58 | roylaprattep | Yes. |
| 15:11.30 | voices | tw: convenience |
| 15:11.35 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: What spead do you get between the Debian server and the router? |
| 15:11.53 | petn-randall | (I'm assuming the laptop is the Windows 10 machine) |
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| 15:11.59 | perr-paranoic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.17 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: You wanna know if debian to router link is 1gbps? |
| 15:12.33 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Not the *link*, the actual throughput. |
| 15:12.39 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: Ok, wait. |
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| 15:13.00 | petn-randall | measure the throughput. Not that it might be completely different to the negotiated link speed. |
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| 15:13.04 | petn-randall | *Note |
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| 15:13.50 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: I will install iperf and test it |
| 15:13.57 | tw | voices: I'd try overlayfs. It's not that hard to work with if you can live with the limitations. You only have to set it up once and then fstab can take care of it for you at boot. |
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| 15:14.53 | tw | voices: even windows libraries uses subdirectories (which you can emulate with bind mount) for doing this. |
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| 15:16.15 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: I can test this with iperf, right? |
| 15:17.06 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: I think so, but I'm guessing you need it installed on both sides. |
| 15:17.40 | roylaprattep | Is there another way to test this then? |
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| 15:18.49 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: Any other connection type that does TCP, I guess. You can then measure the throughput with 'iftop' on the Debian machine. |
| 15:19.09 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: What kind of computer is the Debian server, btw? |
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| 15:21.14 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: I think I found the problem... |
| 15:21.51 | karlpinc | roylaprattep: You can use UDP pings with a full IP payload in flood mode to get an idea of throughput. |
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| 15:22.17 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/1024967/ |
| 15:22.35 | roylaprattep | My link is at 10mbps! Jesus-Christ. |
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| 15:22.58 | roylaprattep | How can I change that so it automatically link at 1gbps |
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| 15:23.29 | karlpinc | roylaprattep: You need to find out why it's not. Maybe it needs non-free firmware? |
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| 15:26.19 | roylaprattep | Gonna try new cable when I'll be home. |
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| 15:28.49 | jim | dpkg must be a doctor non a pepper, I guess... |
| 15:28.50 | dpkg | jim: are you using Windows? |
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| 15:29.14 | jim | they're mostly closed |
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| 15:33.12 | karlpinc | roylaprattep: ethtool is your friend. |
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| 15:42.30 | mandeep | when apt removing chromium, apt wants to install firefox-esr. how do i stop this new package installation? |
| 15:43.06 | noodlepie | mandeep, remove firefix-esr too, on the same command line as chromium. This should block installing it |
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| 15:43.40 | babilen | .oO( and then its pulling in w3m ) |
| 15:43.58 | t3st3r | seems something wants web browser... |
| 15:44.27 | babilen | You might want to address the reason why a browser is pulled in and find out what depends on it |
| 15:44.58 | mandeep | noodlepie: when i do that, apt wants to remove things like gnome. im assuming firefox-esr must be installed? |
| 15:45.39 | noodlepie | gnome might depends on it |
| 15:45.48 | mandeep | that's a shame |
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| 15:46.07 | babilen | dpkg: install gnome |
| 15:46.07 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 15:46.20 | petn-randall | perr-paranoic: What steps did you do that you ended up with that error? |
| 15:46.21 | noodlepie | I have firefox-est and chrome installed on our desktop, they both work |
| 15:46.22 | babilen | You could install a less crazy "gnome" metapackage |
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| 15:46.30 | petn-randall | perr-paranoic: i.e. did you recently upgrade the system? |
| 15:46.41 | babilen | (e.g. gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome) |
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| 15:46.50 | babilen | petn-randall: deja vu :) |
| 15:47.06 | petn-randall | babilen: just repeating the question in case it got missed. ;) |
| 15:47.11 | jhutchins_wk | mandeep: What is your actual goal? |
| 15:48.17 | mandeep | jhutchins_wk: i use the newest firefox as well as ungoogled chromium. in order to install the newest version of ungoogled chromium i had to remove chromium |
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| 15:49.14 | mandeep | unfortunately this also installs firefox-esr which i dont want. im not sure how i removed in the first place |
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| 15:50.13 | petn-randall | mandeep: FYI, "ungoogled chromium" is just called "chromium". The one from Google is called "Chrome". |
| 15:50.24 | babilen | mandeep: You might want to start by installing a smaller gnome metapackage (e.g. gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome) and then mark remaining packages you want to keep as manually installed with either "apt install $PKG" or "apt-mark manual $PKG" |
| 15:50.35 | jhutchins_wk | mandeep: The easiest solution is to allow apt to install firefox, then just don't use it. Slightly more difficult: allow it to install firefox, install the new chromium, remove firefox. |
| 15:50.48 | perr-paranoic | petn-randall, I installed Debian recently and at first update I can't do... so I try to change sources.list and others things |
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| 15:50.59 | mandeep | petn-randall: ungoogled-chromium is different than chromium |
| 15:51.07 | petn-randall | perr-paranoic: Which version of Debian did you initially install? |
| 15:51.09 | mandeep | babilen: yeah i think i may have to do that |
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| 15:51.30 | perr-paranoic | petn-randall, Stretch with KDE |
| 15:51.38 | mandeep | jhutchins_wk: yeah that's what i tried as well, but apt remove firefox-esr still wants to remove gnome |
| 15:51.50 | petn-randall | perr-paranoic: No, which release did you install? |
| 15:51.55 | babilen | mandeep: To me that feels like the right approach for you as it allows you to "tinker" with the package selection |
| 15:51.56 | petn-randall | perr-paranoic: ah, nvm |
| 15:51.59 | jhutchins_wk | mandeep: So just leave it. |
| 15:52.17 | perr-paranoic | petn-randall, stable |
| 15:52.27 | mandeep | jhutchins_wk: im concerned it may interfere with my firefox 66 install |
| 15:52.44 | jhutchins_wk | !equivalents |
| 15:53.03 | petn-randall | perr-paranoic: Do you know which changes you did to your sources.list? |
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| 15:53.17 | jhutchins_wk | mandeep: There's a way to mark a dependency as installed without actually installing it, but I'm not sure how. |
| 15:53.25 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: equivalents |
| 15:53.25 | dpkg | wish i knew, jhutchins_wk |
| 15:53.29 | mandeep | jhutchins_wk: i'll give it a look |
| 15:54.18 | perr-paranoic | petn-randall, Yes, not exactly, anyway at beninning i couldn't do a update |
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| 15:54.59 | no_gravity | How can I see if a program was installed via the repos or via other means? |
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| 15:55.14 | perr-paranoic | petn-randall, I used a netinstall |
| 15:55.24 | babilen | dpkg: equivs |
| 15:55.24 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 15:55.28 | babilen | mandeep: ^ |
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| 15:56.13 | mandeep | babilen: thanks |
| 15:56.22 | petn-randall | no_gravity: You can't. Once a package is installed, there origin is lost. |
| 15:56.25 | petn-randall | *the |
| 15:57.04 | babilen | mandeep: Once you've worked through the "gnome" dependencies you want to keep, removed the rest and tell the packaging system that the "chromium" dependency is actually satisfied you should be good to tackle new adventures :) |
| 15:57.11 | no_gravity | petn-randall: I think this is a misunderstanding. |
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| 15:57.26 | babilen | How so? |
| 15:57.32 | no_gravity | petn-randall: I want to know how an application got on the machine. |
| 15:57.43 | no_gravity | If it was installed via apt-get or not. |
| 15:57.57 | mandeep | babilen: sounds good! thanks :) |
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| 16:00.28 | perr-paranoic | petn-randall, someone tell me to use this http://debian.fastweb.it/ to solve... what do you thing abount? |
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| 16:03.42 | babilen | perr-paranoic: So, this is a new installation? |
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| 16:05.07 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: If dpkg -L <package> or dpkg -l <package> returns info, then it was installed throug apt or dpkg. |
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| 16:06.49 | perr-paranoic | babilen, yes... |
| 16:06.57 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: There are also logs, /var/log/aptitude, /var/log/apt/* |
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| 16:07.41 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: You could also ask whoever manages the system. |
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| 16:14.34 | no_gravity | jhutchins_wk: Awesome, that was the info I needed! |
| 16:14.36 | no_gravity | jhutchins_wk: Thanks! |
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| 16:15.16 | notrob | hello |
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| 16:16.19 | notrob | what client is everyone using? |
| 16:16.28 | notrob | i am using hexchat |
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| 16:17.23 | hypn0 | pidgin :-) much better |
| 16:17.55 | notrob | @hypn0 thanks, i will take a look at it |
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| 16:18.35 | kopper | irssi |
| 16:19.16 | notrob | @kopper why do you use a terminal based client instead of a gui one? |
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| 16:20.22 | kopper | Sits well with i3 WM |
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| 16:20.36 | kopper | And can ssh to tmux session |
| 16:20.52 | kopper | +I |
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| 16:21.15 | notrob | oh i see. i am using kde but thinking of moving over to i3wm |
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| 16:21.22 | hypn0 | some people refuse to evolve to guis, 3d, now that's useless for desktops :-) |
| 16:21.53 | notrob | do you think i would like i3wm? |
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| 16:22.52 | ebrasca | Hi in qemu after chosing boot option I only get black screen. |
| 16:23.15 | ebrasca | I have debian buster/sid. |
| 16:23.26 | ebrasca | My machine is talosII. |
| 16:23.38 | kopper | hypn0: Nice generalization |
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| 16:24.37 | hypn0 | how would I run synaptic in blackbox, while were here, [exec] (Synaptic Package Manager) {x-terminal-emulator -e synaptic-pkexec} doesn't work |
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| 16:25.20 | hypn0 | its still you're choice kopper :-) |
| 16:25.32 | m712 | how can I list all packages from the unstable repo? |
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| 16:26.52 | hk238 | is there some mouse or keyboard macro recording tool in debian repository? :o |
| 16:27.07 | kopper | hypn0: I don't quite get what you mean |
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| 16:28.07 | hypn0 | {x-terminal-emulator -e synaptic-pkexec} command doesn't work kopper, trying to switch to blackbox |
| 16:28.27 | kopper | Nah I was referring to your comments on choice and evolving |
| 16:29.23 | hypn0 | oh, its an evolution to gui, now 3d |
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| 16:30.25 | notrob | how would i benefit from using i3wm instead of kde? |
| 16:30.31 | notrob | is it worth switching over? |
| 16:31.11 | hypn0 | if you want to learn commands, keyboard shorcuts notrob |
| 16:31.12 | bites | depends if you value a tiling window manager. also less overhead. |
| 16:31.47 | hypn0 | it you have day amnesia, no notrob |
| 16:32.23 | notrob | i will try it out in a virtual machine then |
| 16:32.28 | notrob | haha hypn0 |
| 16:33.21 | notrob | manjaro linux community edition comes with i3 out of the box |
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| 16:36.40 | RedSoxFan08 | I'm unable to run jar files. I have the default version of open-jdk, but I can't get jar files to run. I know open-jdk works because I can run Java programs in a terminal. |
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| 16:38.02 | jim | did debian drop support for pentium II? |
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| 16:40.22 | hypn0 | do you mean intel :-) |
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| 16:40.33 | abrotman | jim: no |
| 16:40.44 | abrotman | jim: why would you ask that? |
| 16:40.49 | jelly | jim: theoretically not, but it's probably not well tested these days |
| 16:41.28 | m712 | how can I list all packages from the unstable repo? |
| 16:41.29 | jelly | I guess you could find a P2 machine with like 256MB RAM for apt and dpkg to work properly |
| 16:41.34 | m712 | all installed packages* |
| 16:42.08 | jim | oh ok, checking ram size, thanks for the tip |
| 16:42.43 | jelly | m712: once a package is installed it's impossible to know which repo it came from. You can guess by looking at installed package version and versions available from enabled reops |
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| 16:43.31 | bites | m712: aptitude search ~S~i~Aunstable should do it. but packages that have not been kept updated or are no longer in unstable will be in aptitude search ~o |
| 16:43.42 | jelly | m712: if you however disable a repo with newer versions of stuff, you can ask aptitude which versions are not available any more |
| 16:43.58 | jelly | !obsolete |
| 16:43.58 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
| 16:44.14 | RedSoxFan08 | I can get jar files to run in a Terminal, but not by double-clicking them. |
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| 16:45.36 | jelly | if the same version exists in both testing and unstable, on a testing/unstable mix system, it's pretty hard to figure out whcih repo it came from |
| 16:45.47 | m712 | bites: jelly thank you |
| 16:45.53 | m712 | that is what i needed |
| 16:46.04 | m712 | i made a rookie mistake and enabled both testing and unstable in sources.list |
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| 16:46.13 | m712 | without selecting default-release |
| 16:46.54 | jelly | should you have more questions, the right place to ask about either testing or unstable is on a different network |
| 16:46.55 | petn-randall | m712: If you dist-upgraded, you likely got plain sid. |
| 16:46.57 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 16:46.58 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:48.40 | m712 | petn-randall: i did not, i simply installed some packages |
| 16:49.34 | m712 | !not available |
| 16:49.34 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 16:49.44 | jcarder_ | I just installed debian minimal with i3wm. For some reason the default font for applications is a serif fontface, how would I change this? thanks in advance |
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| 16:55.00 | m712 | jcarder_: i think you need to set it in /etc/fonts/ which serif/sans font you want to use, and then using .config/i3/i3.conf (i think) you need to set the font you want to use |
| 16:55.21 | m712 | it's been a while since i used i3 so my knowledge's a little rusty but that should be it |
| 16:55.44 | m712 | the i3 config is either in .config/i3 or .i3/ |
| 16:55.44 | jcarder_ | m712: I'll try it, thanks for the help :) |
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| 16:56.02 | jcarder_ | yeah i3 config is ~/.config/i3/config |
| 16:56.08 | m712 | no problem. ymmv though, font shenanigans on linux currently suck |
| 16:56.41 | m712 | jcarder_: you should be able to set the font there, iirc you either need a pango fontname or x font resource |
| 16:56.57 | m712 | you can find the x font resource name with xlsfonts, which is available in the repos |
| 16:57.09 | m712 | apparently in x11-utils |
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| 16:57.57 | jelly | jim: you were being a proxy again. People can ask in here themselves if they need to you know |
| 16:58.22 | jelly | they're not bound by mystic enchantments to ##linux |
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| 16:59.57 | ebrasca | Fixed starting ssh with -X |
| 17:02.46 | perr-paranoic | I have problems with keys gpg i think |
| 17:03.34 | jim | it looks like the latest apt-zip is in wheezy... is there an equivalent? |
| 17:03.54 | notrob | do you need a DE installed to use i3? |
| 17:04.03 | jim | nope |
| 17:04.43 | jim | and, if you want to you can use xfce configured to use i3 as its window manager |
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| 17:05.44 | jim | seems to work ok except there might be problems with the screen saver |
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| 17:07.47 | hypn0 | I turn screensaver off :-) |
| 17:08.28 | jim | I haven't tried that yet, but I will |
| 17:08.38 | hypn0 | you want to use i3 with opengl screensavers :-) |
| 17:09.48 | hypn0 | they are pointless anyway, waste electricity :-) |
| 17:10.06 | hypn0 | just switch monitor off |
| 17:10.09 | bites | wat |
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| 17:10.55 | hypn0 | the monitor has an off button? :-) |
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| 17:11.50 | bites | we are talking about the ones that have password protection, right? |
| 17:12.02 | bites | i3lock works fine. except for the background image if you have multiple screens. |
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| 17:13.21 | petn-randall | jim: You can try to use apt-cdrom or apt-offline instead. |
| 17:13.22 | hypn0 | locking and screensavers are slightly different |
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| 17:14.27 | hypn0 | you don't need screensavers enabled to lock screen? |
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| 17:14.35 | bites | what screensaver doesn't lock by default? they are used synonymously. |
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| 17:16.14 | hypn0 | its power management, not screensavers to lock |
| 17:18.20 | hypn0 | screensavers are those animations/programs you can run during locking |
| 17:20.27 | jhutchins_wk | Screensavers exist because the old phosphor CRTs would "burn in" the image of the login prompt or some other text that was displayed when the system was idle for long periods of time. They became an excuse for elaborate animated graphics. |
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| 17:21.12 | jhutchins_wk | bites: I think xscreensaver doesn't lock by default. The screensaver on my xfce installations doesn't. |
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| 17:21.52 | jhutchins_wk | bites: On the latest install of stretch I have I didn't set anything specifically on the xfce install and it saves but doesn't lock. |
| 17:24.01 | jim | petn-randall, thanks, I appreciate the response |
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| 17:28.03 | st_iron | good afternoon |
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| 17:39.45 | RedSoxFan08 | Which graphics driver should I use on a PC with a Haswell CPU |
| 17:39.46 | RedSoxFan08 | ? |
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| 17:40.08 | RedSoxFan08 | I mean for using the Integrated graphics on the Haswell CPU. |
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| 17:46.49 | LtL | RedSoxFan08: i915 |
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| 17:47.08 | RedSoxFan08 | LtL: Muchas gracias |
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| 18:02.48 | grg | has anyone installed debian onto a newer usb drive recently? My installer keeps saying it can't find a drive. I'm installing from a net mounted image via supermicro's IPMI, and intend to install the OS onto this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077VXV323/ |
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| 18:12.40 | OS-36433 | has anyone having problems with updating burpsuite? using the official kali vmware here. keeps giving me errors about my jre not supported. i've been using "apt install" to reinstall burpsuite and jre, and it still doesn't work |
| 18:12.54 | greycat | !kali |
| 18:12.54 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 18:12.57 | OS-36433 | something about the kali vmware being 32bit? |
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| 18:51.51 | cthulchu | Guys, I have a weird question... Why does sudo chmod 777 /.* harm the system so fatally? I would think that allowing access can't affect what's working |
| 18:52.29 | cthulchu | like if my script has access to more than it needs, why would it suddenly fail unless it expects not to have access, which is a weird design |
| 18:52.42 | greycat | That's like asking why removing random files from random directories breaks the system. It causes destruction. It's bad. Don't do it. |
| 18:52.54 | cthulchu | not an answer |
| 18:53.02 | greycat | OK, consider the file /bin/su |
| 18:53.11 | cthulchu | yes |
| 18:53.17 | greycat | What are its permissions right now, and what will they be after your act of wanton stupidity? |
| 18:53.39 | cthulchu | well right now it's restricted, after I allow access, it's gonna be 777, I guess |
| 18:54.09 | cthulchu | why would it stop working though |
| 18:54.29 | cthulchu | lol |
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| 18:54.47 | cthulchu | it removes the concept of su, but that's the point of the command |
| 18:54.48 | greycat | Because 777 is DIFFERENT from 4755. |
| 18:54.56 | cthulchu | not an answer |
| 18:55.03 | greycat | You are a fucking idiot. *plonk* |
| 18:55.14 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: What objects would you expect to have their permissions change? IOW what does /.* mean? |
| 18:55.28 | cthulchu | every thing recursively |
| 18:55.33 | jhutchins_wk | Nope. |
| 18:55.35 | JyZyXEL | without -R it wouldn't recurse though? |
| 18:55.41 | cthulchu | ok, ok, add -R |
| 18:55.41 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Correct. |
| 18:55.44 | cthulchu | sorry |
| 18:56.32 | cthulchu | so how recursive 777 would harm basic funcrionality |
| 18:56.36 | cthulchu | security aside |
| 18:56.43 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: What specifically "fails", and how? |
| 18:57.00 | cthulchu | errr... well... the system, essentially, bricks |
| 18:57.18 | cthulchu | demons like ssh can't load |
| 18:57.22 | cthulchu | or ftp |
| 18:57.27 | cthulchu | can't sudo anymore |
| 18:57.40 | cthulchu | I thought you'd know |
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| 18:58.00 | jhutchins_wk | No, we don't generally do silly things without knowing what they actually do. |
| 18:58.01 | cthulchu | it's just from the development perspective I don't quite see why it would stop normal functionality |
| 18:58.54 | cthulchu | well, say, you have a test machine and you want to play with a list of stuff. you don't give a crap about the machine. you would either do everything as root, or you would remove any restrictions and play |
| 18:59.15 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: In the DOS world, that's essentially the normal condition, the concept of ownership and permissions didn't exist. |
| 18:59.25 | cthulchu | yes |
| 18:59.35 | cthulchu | using root wouldn't require sudo. but if everything is 777, it's like being root, right? |
| 18:59.50 | JyZyXEL | cthulchu: why not just try it in a chroot/container/vm and see what kind of interesting problems crop up with your use case? |
| 19:00.00 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: You can look at the documentation for specific things that fail and see why they might not work. |
| 19:00.16 | cthulchu | yeah, ok, I guess I'll just ask devs. |
| 19:00.27 | cthulchu | wanna just know the concept that plays in |
| 19:00.30 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: Some programs check for permissions of certain objects and won't start if they're incorrect. |
| 19:00.37 | cthulchu | wow |
| 19:00.38 | JyZyXEL | there's a lot of code that checks for correct file permissions before proceeding with normal operation |
| 19:00.38 | cthulchu | but why? |
| 19:00.48 | cthulchu | jhutchins_wk, do you have a good example? |
| 19:00.54 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: It's not a single thing, it's a collection of independent projects. |
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| 19:01.16 | cthulchu | yeah, I guess so, but there has to be something in the core logic |
| 19:01.25 | cthulchu | specific |
| 19:01.26 | jhutchins_wk | ssh will fail if $HOME/.ssh has the wrong permissions. |
| 19:01.33 | cthulchu | wrong? |
| 19:01.37 | cthulchu | I don't care about wrong |
| 19:01.40 | cthulchu | I care about 777 |
| 19:01.44 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: ssh does. |
| 19:01.52 | cthulchu | why would it fail about 777? it has access |
| 19:02.03 | mutante | because you dont want other users to read your private key |
| 19:02.10 | cthulchu | all it should care about is having enough access. not too much |
| 19:02.15 | cthulchu | ah |
| 19:02.19 | cthulchu | sweet |
| 19:02.23 | cthulchu | so protection then |
| 19:02.38 | cthulchu | very cool |
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| 19:02.43 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, and not just from other users. From runaway and/or rogue processes that aren't behaving properly. |
| 19:02.46 | cthulchu | thanks a lot, this answers the question. |
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| 19:03.10 | mutante | cthulchu: it will care about the directory permissions and also the files inside it |
| 19:03.10 | cthulchu | no, I'm not gonna do that. Just read a question from someone on stack. Was curious why it may happen. |
| 19:03.17 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: Again, different projects have different priorities and standards. |
| 19:03.28 | cthulchu | yes, sure |
| 19:03.33 | waydot | i'm going to answer my own question from a few days back: |
| 19:03.36 | trysten | Hello friends of #debian :D it's been a long time. I recognize some of you. |
| 19:03.53 | waydot | if you want good video performance (at least on Intel), ditch xfce and go with KDE |
| 19:04.12 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: I think you might try it and see how it actually fails. The description may not have been accurate or complete. |
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| 19:06.47 | cthulchu | is there a software that fires warnings when crap like this is typed? |
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| 19:07.09 | cthulchu | it seems like a fairly easy way to kill a system |
| 19:07.15 | cthulchu | will make me avoid using sudo |
| 19:07.32 | cthulchu | really. I will try to avoid it. hell. |
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| 19:15.18 | trysten | I'm trying to add the R repositories to my stretch installation and i'm getting "Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?)" when I do an apt-get update. this seems to be preventing from trusting the repository with `--allow-unauthenticated --reinstall install d-apt-keyring' |
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| 19:21.44 | simbalion | is it safe to change the UID of www-data to 1000+? |
| 19:22.12 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: No, the protection is understanding how the system is intended to be used and not changing things without knowing why they're the way they are. |
| 19:22.46 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: You can delete all of the files on the disk with a rather simple command. |
| 19:22.54 | cthulchu | jhutchins_wk, some people just mistype |
| 19:23.13 | Namll | I have a wifi connection question. I have been using the interfaces file in /etc/network to manage my basic WPA home conncetions that just require an ssid and psk. I am trying to connect to my college network, that says it requires Protected EAP (PEAP)and MSCHAPv2. It also has an identity and password. This is what I have for my /etc/network/interfaces file https://paste.debian.net/1025000/ and this is my |
| 19:23.13 | Namll | /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf file https://paste.debian.net/1025001/ the wpa_supplicant.conf is what I pulled from wpa_supplicant.conf(5) for the catch all scenerio and removed the certs that I dont believe I need. |
| 19:23.30 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: Typos are more likely to fail than to cause damage, but there are cases where things happen. |
| 19:23.42 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: I once deleted about 60 active commercial web sites. |
| 19:23.52 | cthulchu | oh hell |
| 19:24.06 | jhutchins_wk | "Experience is proportionate to data destroyed." |
| 19:24.25 | jolt | :D |
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| 19:26.49 | jhutchins_wk | Namll: Those requirements are usually part of a VPN rather than a wireless connection. |
| 19:27.01 | noodlepie | encrypts all the dataz for jhutchins_wk users and demands 10 pence to decrypt it |
| 19:27.56 | jhutchins_wk | noodlepie: Careful there, some of my users own tanks. |
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| 19:31.43 | Namll | jhutchins_wk: any suggestions on getting a connection? ditch wpa_supplicant and go with network manager? I wanted to stay away from network manager because I wanted to understand the basics of network connections, but its annoying only being able to connect to basic networks. What is required to connect to a network that requires an identity and password? Would that be all? could I cut my wpa_supplican.conf to something smaller like |
| 19:31.43 | Namll | this? https://paste.debian.net/1025002/ |
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| 19:33.35 | trysten | Namll: can you test it now? What does it say when you try to connect? |
| 19:33.50 | jhutchins_wk | Namll: I don't know if NM would support those functions - I would expect it would require an additional module. |
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| 19:34.43 | jhutchins_wk | Namll: I would expect that the school's Support might not know or be willing to help with Linux. You might see what support they have for Macs. |
| 19:35.00 | jhutchins_wk | Namll: Also look for other linux users in the school (is there a school LUG?). |
| 19:35.07 | Namll | trysten: sadly, i have to collect info, then drive to school and try it out. |
| 19:35.27 | jhutchins_wk | Namll: Your solution is probably going to be very specific to your school. |
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| 19:36.26 | trysten | Namll: Right. Are you sure it's PEAP and not LEAP? LEAP seems to be the one that uses MSCHAPv2. See this article https://netbeez.net/blog/connect-your-raspberry-pi-to-wireless-enterprise-environments-with-wpa-supplicant/ and definitely check for your schools Linux User Group. Mine rocks. |
| 19:36.43 | jhutchins_wk | Namll: Then again, if you do get it working, you can document it for the school. That's how a friend of mine got a job as a technical writer. She documented how to connect to the school dial-up from a Mac. |
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| 19:38.32 | Namll | trysten: from their support page for ubuntu this is all they stated. "The next dialog box is where you define the network settings. Under the Authentication drop-down field, select Protected EAP (PEAP), and under the Inner authentication drop-down field select MSCHAPv2." https://imgur.com/a/yg4Sz18 |
| 19:39.11 | Namll | jhutchins_wk: good point, if I do get this to work, i will defiently document it. |
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| 19:40.39 | trysten | Namll: When i was at uni, I would sit at the library workstations and switch the ethernet to my computer so I didn't have to register on the wireless. Definitely a good way to get in trouble but it might be better than driving back and forth all the time, namll |
| 19:41.25 | jhutchins_wk | Namll: I'd definitely try it with NM then. |
| 19:41.30 | Namll | and then basic login info for user name and password with "When you get this final screen, you can click the Ignore button." https://imgur.com/a/biXTQSo |
| 19:42.21 | Namll | so it makes me believe its a basic setup. not needing other certificates, just login and password but still weird. I guess ill keep banging away at it tomorrow. |
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| 19:45.19 | AliceKelly | im having problems with xorg. i dont get any errors but when i start x i get lines on the left side. its a old radeon 9000 mobility its detected in the kernel and lspci. at one point it worked as root but i rebooted the setting wasnt saved and its doing it all the time now. xorg -configure loads radeon and ati. all i can think is it has something to do with refresh rate ? any ideas what im doing wrong |
| 19:45.58 | jhutchins_wk | AliceKelly: Try messing with the resolution. |
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| 19:46.28 | jhutchins_wk | AliceKelly: Also maybe xvidtune. |
| 19:46.49 | AliceKelly | is there a way to use it on cli ? |
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| 19:47.27 | AliceKelly | back in the day there was xf86config and it would ask you and test your screen |
| 19:48.04 | jhutchins_wk | you run xvidtune from an xterm. |
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| 19:48.30 | AliceKelly | cant get x to run |
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| 19:49.12 | jhutchins_wk | AliceKelly: Anything useful in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? (Very noisy, look for EE.) |
| 19:50.18 | Namll | trysten: one last question, do you know the best log to check to diagnose connection issues? |
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| 19:52.06 | AliceKelly | theres a warning about a version of somethig being off, but. ive had it running just cant remember what i did. i was experimenting with framebuffers and drivers. theres a radeon and an ati. im unsure if there is a seperate rv600 or not |
| 19:52.18 | jhutchins_wk | Namll: /var/log/syslog, dmesg | less |
| 19:52.41 | trysten | Namll: or something like systemctl status wpa_supplicant |
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| 19:53.01 | jhutchins_wk | AliceKelly: A radeon IS an ati. |
| 19:53.21 | jhutchins_wk | AliceKelly: do an update from the command line? |
| 19:53.21 | Namll | jhutchins_wk trysten ty |
| 19:53.40 | jhutchins_wk | Namll: Good luck! |
| 19:53.59 | AliceKelly | radeon and ati are different drivers for vga=?? |
| 19:54.22 | AliceKelly | but moving on. thank you i have some things to try before whining more :) |
| 19:54.27 | jhutchins_wk | AliceKelly: Since you probably didn't make a backup of the working config files you changed, you'll have to try to figure out what the changes were. |
| 19:54.40 | jhutchins_wk | AliceKelly: ATI is a company that makes Radeon video cards. |
| 19:54.44 | jhutchins_wk | !radeon |
| 19:54.44 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 19:55.00 | AliceKelly | jhutchins_wk: ati is also a driver package |
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| 19:55.11 | AliceKelly | as is radeon |
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| 19:55.57 | jhutchins_wk | AliceKelly: There is also the KMS driver for the kernel and the Xorg driver. |
| 19:56.18 | AliceKelly | ill work on it |
| 19:56.21 | AliceKelly | bbl |
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| 19:56.39 | jhutchins_wk | We can find the recommended driver(s) if we know the chipset (lspci -nn |
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| 20:02.27 | noodlepie | Hwo do I list a packages files please? |
| 20:02.31 | trysten | I'm trying to add the D repositories for APT. I can't trust the keyring package from the new repo because the new repo is not trusted. --allow-unauthenticated is not doesn't work because apt is disabling the repo above that because the InRelease check fails |
| 20:02.40 | greycat | noodlepie: dpkg -L pkgname |
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| 20:02.58 | trysten | noodlepie: dpkg-query -L <package_name> |
| 20:03.16 | noodlepie | thanx |
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| 20:03.39 | noodlepie | what is the vnc4server package? |
| 20:03.58 | noodlepie | transitional package. OK then, I'm looking for something else |
| 20:03.59 | noodlepie | .... |
| 20:04.06 | noodlepie | @:P-~ |
| 20:04.14 | trysten | So I think i can get around this by manually adding the key with apt-key adv but I wonder if there is another way to force installation even though it's not a trusted repo? |
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| 20:04.30 | trysten | noodlepie: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 20:06.19 | noodlepie | thanx |
| 20:06.57 | noodlepie | I sorted it with dpkg. I should have remembered that command really but have been using Gentoo instead recently. Debian is on out communal desktop, trying to get VNC working! |
| 20:07.12 | noodlepie | 4.16.9-gntoo build and installed... Rebooting! |
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| 20:08.29 | trysten | `apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EBCF975E5BA24D5E` did work for adding the sourceforge D apt repository. |
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| 20:10.44 | trysten | Like, there should be a way to bypass the requirement of trusting the repo before bypassing the signature on the package |
| 20:10.57 | trysten | perhaps adding TRUSTED in the sources.list? |
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| 20:13.51 | t3st3r | trysten> generally, installing packages from untrusted sources is better to be avoided. |
| 20:14.10 | jhutchins_wk | trysten: What release are you on? |
| 20:14.48 | t3st3r | so if one trusts certain repo, add their key, but understand they will have power to do anything in your system upon software install. |
| 20:17.51 | trysten | t3st3r: right. I mean that's what i'm trying to do by installing their keyring package to my system. I agree with you. I'm just looing for the route to bypass this |
| 20:17.55 | trysten | jhutchins_wk: testing |
| 20:18.05 | jhutchins_wk | trysten: You could pastebin your sources.list file. |
| 20:18.23 | jhutchins_wk | trysten: You could also check in #debian-next on oftc.net to see if there is a known issue. |
| 20:19.51 | trysten | jhutchins_wk: i'm following these instructions: http://d-apt.sourceforge.net that probably don't account for new security mechanisms (repo trust) the only sources.list line is `deb http://master.dl.sourceforge.net/project/d-apt/ d-apt main #APT repository for D` |
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| 20:22.00 | jhutchins_wk | trysten: You will have to ask sourceforge how to configure their repositories. |
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| 20:22.23 | jhutchins_wk | trysten: repo trust is not new. |
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| 20:27.20 | jhutchins_wk | trysten: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/UseThirdParty |
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| 20:31.16 | trysten | jhutchins_wk: I see. So there isn't a way to load from an untrusted repo. http://d-apt.sourceforge.net simply has incorrect/incomplete instructions because they don't mentioning loading the necessary pubkey. |
| 20:31.45 | jhutchins_wk | trysten: That, or maybe something's broken. |
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| 20:38.10 | trysten | jhutchins_wk: When I imported the key called for on the instructions, it worked. This system was upgraded from jessie.. so maybe something is broken indeed. |
| 20:38.38 | trysten | Well, the wiki mentions my error -exactly- and provides the work around >.> |
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| 20:52.09 | cthulchu | so then what are the best practices? use a non-sudoer user all the time? |
| 20:52.20 | cthulchu | and when sudo is needed, do sudo -u -E? |
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| 20:57.19 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: There are different styles of working. Some people disable root logins and always use sudo on each command. Some people keep a root shell open all the time. |
| 20:58.03 | cthulchu | but it's just root will have a different environment than your normal user |
| 20:58.14 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: I tend to become root any time I'm working on the system (as opposed to my own stuff). I use su - |
| 20:58.17 | cthulchu | it may cause issues when installing something |
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| 20:58.46 | cthulchu | not installing, but rather using afterwards |
| 20:58.47 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: If you're installing something system-wide it should be as root. |
| 20:58.53 | cthulchu | right |
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| 20:59.24 | greycat | wait, wasn't this the guy who ran a recursive chmod 777 from / |
| 20:59.25 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: On systems where I can't log in as root, I use sudo -i |
| 20:59.45 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: It was aparantly a hypothetical question, and yes. |
| 21:00.01 | petn-randall | greycat: What? When? Who? |
| 21:00.21 | greycat | 14:51 cthulchu> Guys, I have a weird question... Why does sudo chmod 777 /.* harm the system so fatally? I would think that allowing access can't affect what's working |
| 21:00.22 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: logged in as root, the secure commands in /sbin and /usr/sbin are on your path. |
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| 21:00.35 | greycat | 2 hours 9 minutes ago |
| 21:00.40 | cthulchu | errr |
| 21:00.44 | cthulchu | what's sbin? |
| 21:00.46 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Aparently he read a post that claimed that. |
| 21:00.50 | cthulchu | superbin? |
| 21:00.52 | jhutchins_wk | !handbook |
| 21:00.53 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 21:01.12 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: I think it's "secure binaries", but it's one of those *nix things. |
| 21:01.14 | greycat | And then when I tried to tell him why it was bad, he just kept screaming "THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER" at me until I /ignored him. |
| 21:01.20 | cthulchu | yes |
| 21:01.26 | cthulchu | okay,,, |
| 21:01.33 | greycat | The s bin /sbin could stand for "system" or "static". |
| 21:01.35 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: He wanted to know why. |
| 21:01.43 | greycat | I kept trying to tell him. |
| 21:01.43 | cthulchu | so technically, I don't want to install stuff in sbin if I want normal users access it? |
| 21:01.52 | cthulchu | errr... |
| 21:01.53 | cthulchu | no |
| 21:02.05 | cthulchu | hell it's confusing. |
| 21:02.11 | greycat | "static" because on many legacy Unixes, the programs in those directories are statically linked, so that they can run before the shared libs are mounted |
| 21:02.14 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: You don't want to install stuff manually, you want to use the packaging system until you know a LOT more. |
| 21:02.16 | petn-randall | cthulchu: You don't get to choose that when installing debian packages. |
| 21:02.23 | cthulchu | ah, okay |
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| 21:02.41 | jhutchins_wk | !handbook |
| 21:02.41 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 21:02.45 | cthulchu | well I usually get apt-get and it works wonderfully for me |
| 21:03.01 | cthulchu | but I started using homebrew lately |
| 21:03.04 | cthulchu | it's a bit different |
| 21:03.08 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: If you do that, you can assume that all the parts and pieces have been put in appropriate locations. |
| 21:03.16 | cthulchu | okay |
| 21:03.38 | jhutchins_wk | !fhs |
| 21:03.38 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 21:03.44 | cthulchu | sometimes though when I install something as user A, user B may not be able to run it properly |
| 21:04.04 | cthulchu | A being sudoer and B not |
| 21:04.46 | cthulchu | sometimes it's tricky when you want software that requires sudo to install for further usage by normal users with no sudo |
| 21:05.04 | cthulchu | yes, I think I will try doing sudo -u A -E for user B |
| 21:05.15 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: Any time you install for multiple users, you do it as root or with sudo. |
| 21:05.40 | greycat | "with sudo" is one of the ways to do something "as root" |
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| 21:06.06 | cthulchu | yeah, it's just the thing is the software wuill normally use sudoer's environment vars |
| 21:06.13 | cthulchu | and set them for it too |
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| 21:06.30 | cthulchu | so that other users wouldn't have the vars or the access to there |
| 21:06.33 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: That's not really how it works. |
| 21:07.31 | jhutchins_wk | cthulchu: The main difference is the default path. |
| 21:08.20 | cthulchu | the $PATH I guess |
| 21:09.29 | jhutchins | cthulchu: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 21:09.45 | cthulchu | thanks |
| 21:10.08 | jhutchins | cthulchu: It's a bit old and RedHat oriented, but valuable nonetheless. |
| 21:10.25 | cthulchu | and it works for Unix too, I guess |
| 21:10.30 | cthulchu | since you link to it here |
| 21:10.43 | jhutchins | cthulchu: That and O'Reilley's "Running Linux" help you to think about things in the correct way. |
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| 21:20.36 | KindaNoob | heyheyhey |
| 21:20.47 | KindaNoob | I've got come source code of driver |
| 21:20.51 | KindaNoob | From vendor's CD |
| 21:21.02 | KindaNoob | And it contains Makefile |
| 21:21.16 | KindaNoob | How to make drivers from it and install it? |
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| 21:24.40 | petn-randall | KindaNoob: It will probably depend on whatever procedure it documented there. |
| 21:25.10 | KindaNoob | where exactly? |
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| 21:25.11 | petn-randall | KindaNoob: But the usual approach is 1) './configure' 2) 'make' 3) 'make install' |
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| 21:25.31 | KindaNoob | nah, it doesn't haveconfigure |
| 21:25.33 | petn-randall | KindaNoob: Where ever they documented their installation procedure. |
| 21:26.33 | t3st3r | KindaNoob> most obvious would be running make, but most of time Linux kernel would handle HW without "vendor CDs" and somesuch. |
| 21:26.48 | KindaNoob | fatal error: linux/module.h: No such file |
| 21:26.54 | KindaNoob | haha |
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| 21:26.59 | t3st3r | so building driver yourself in linux is relatively exotic kind of adventure... |
| 21:27.44 | t3st3r | is it really some uncommon hardware which isn't handled by Linux kernel on its own? |
| 21:27.46 | greycat | I think most 3rd party kernel module source releases assume that your CURRENT kernel headers (i.e. the ones you want to build the module for) are in /usr/src/linux/ which is not how Debian works. |
| 21:27.47 | KindaNoob | This network card can't be down or up by demand |
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| 21:28.23 | KindaNoob | It always "listens" for some events and then changing it's state automatically |
| 21:28.30 | greycat | Also note that a kernel module source release is only going to work when built for a specific range of kernel releases, not just any kernel at random. |
| 21:29.15 | t3st3r | <KindaNoob> It always "listens" for some events and then changing it's state automatically <- and that's a reason for vendor's driver? oO |
| 21:29.17 | petn-randall | KindaNoob: Are you sure the device doesn't already come with Linux support? What device is this exactly? |
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| 21:30.11 | t3st3r | or what? Most of times kernel handles HW on its own and some "drivers" from "CDs" tend to be highly questionable adventure at all. It isnt like in Windows or something. |
| 21:30.13 | KindaNoob | yeah, I can't control this stuff |
| 21:30.29 | KindaNoob | I can't rename it |
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| 21:30.55 | KindaNoob | Can't ifdown |
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| 21:31.13 | KindaNoob | network card |
| 21:31.31 | t3st3r | renaming is probably done best at udev level... |
| 21:31.38 | petn-randall | KindaNoob: If you already have a network device that userspace sees, you don't need the driver CD. |
| 21:31.58 | KindaNoob | So how to rename it? |
| 21:32.10 | KindaNoob | Built-in card can be renamed and controlled |
| 21:32.11 | t3st3r | I guess you have to read about udev. |
| 21:32.13 | KindaNoob | But not this |
| 21:32.21 | petn-randall | KindaNoob: Why do you want to rename it? |
| 21:32.35 | KindaNoob | Dude, I already use udev for renaming built-in net-card |
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| 21:32.58 | KindaNoob | because I wanna give meaningful names, like "wan", "lan", "wifi" |
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| 21:34.13 | t3st3r | sounds reasonable... |
| 21:34.17 | petn-randall | KindaNoob: Right, using udev should work for that. Though you'll never come in contact with the name. |
| 21:35.05 | KindaNoob | I already use udev. But Second string of it doesn't work at all |
| 21:35.30 | KindaNoob | different ATTR{address} and KERNEL |
| 21:35.36 | KindaNoob | and NAME, ofc |
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| 21:36.06 | KindaNoob | System just ignores it or something |
| 21:36.16 | t3st3r | I wonder is ip link set name ... works? oO |
| 21:37.22 | t3st3r | and you have to put device down 1st ofc. I.e. ip link set dev SMTH down; ip link set name SMTHELSE dev SMTH; ip li se dev SMTHELSE up (to bring it back) |
| 21:38.02 | t3st3r | that's how you can try if renaming "manually" works |
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| 21:39.11 | t3st3r | but it wouldnt persist and udev normally kicks in on boot, so proper way to get persistent name is to configure udev for that. |
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| 21:51.34 | Kevlar_Noir | hello |
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| 21:53.37 | phizzy_ | How can we help you this fine day? |
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| 21:54.49 | Kevlar_Noir | I don't know what can I fix |
| 21:54.56 | Kevlar_Noir | or improve |
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| 21:55.50 | Kevlar_Noir | just wanted to say "hi everyone" |
| 21:56.52 | noodlepie | Hiya! |
| 21:57.37 | Kevlar_Noir | ok a friend to me have a variant |
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| 22:11.14 | KindaNoob | hm, I delete ATTR{dev_id} from both strings from udev rules and now it works |
| 22:12.18 | KindaNoob | but on loading system I see ERROR message about failing to raise network.service |
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| 22:14.20 | litheum | howdy, i'm trying to assign a static 169.254.0.0/16 address to an interface (raspbian stretch) but dhcpcd doesn't seem to want to cooperate. is this known to not work? i've seen a couple forum posts with similar issues but i haven't found a resolution yet |
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| 22:17.27 | KindaNoob | And it all because this network card. It already raised, so ifup gets "File exists" |
| 22:17.54 | KindaNoob | And returns "Failed to start Raise network interfaces" |
| 22:19.04 | KindaNoob | And I can't ifdown it |
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| 22:38.54 | mandeep | my apt sources look like this: https://ghostbin.com/paste/nopp3 |
| 22:39.11 | mandeep | but for some reason i can't upgrade to this package https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/mesa-vulkan-drivers |
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| 22:39.28 | abrotman | what command did you use? |
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| 22:39.45 | mandeep | abrotman: apt update then apt list upgradable |
| 22:40.07 | abrotman | you have to explicitly install from backports |
| 22:40.25 | abrotman | apt-get -t stretch-backports install foo |
| 22:40.38 | mandeep | hmm even with backports in sources? |
| 22:40.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:40.56 | abrotman | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 22:41.14 | mandeep | abrotman: oops |
| 22:41.24 | mandeep | thanks |
| 22:44.21 | cthulchu | folks, is it possible to make certificate auth via ssh optional? |
| 22:44.34 | cthulchu | like if I have certificate, I auth with it and if no - login/pwd |
| 22:44.48 | cthulchu | for the same user that is |
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| 22:46.08 | trysten | How can I force the permissions of a filesystem? I have a dd image that I must access from non-root user. mount -o uid=1001,umask=0000 is not working |
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| 22:47.07 | AliceKelly | im completly confused |
| 22:48.01 | AliceKelly | all i did was kill -9 -1 to kill the failing x server and use startx instead of x or xorg and it runs |
| 22:48.17 | AliceKelly | dont understand why that works |
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| 22:50.31 | AliceKelly | i know what i did now, just dont know why |
| 22:51.45 | litheum | cthulchu: look around in sshd_config and at the sshd_config man page to see if you can turn up anything that helps |
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| 22:52.53 | AliceKelly | is it possible that something is set to auto run that interferes with x ? |
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| 22:55.14 | AliceKelly | is it init.d that has things one wants auto loaded ? |
| 22:55.56 | litheum | AliceKelly: these days it's probably systemd you'll have to wrestle with |
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| 22:56.18 | Tom_- | screams |
| 22:56.30 | AliceKelly | thank you litheum |
| 22:59.59 | trysten | my understanding is that mount dev.dd -o uid=1001,umask=0000 /mnt/mountpoint should set the permission for the entire filesystem |
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| 23:00.42 | trysten | but it doesn't. security is not an issue here, i'm trying to access a recovered image, so any changes are out of the question |
| 23:00.59 | trysten | there should be a way to mount something with 777 permissions or something rediclous like that |
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| 23:05.12 | litheum | trysten: many filesystems support a mode= option that does what you're asking. mode=0777 for example |
| 23:05.42 | litheum | s/many/some/? i'm not too sure |
| 23:06.14 | petn-randall | trysten: What filesystem is this? |
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| 23:06.28 | petn-randall | trysten: What filesystem type is this? |
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| 23:16.39 | t3st3r | AliceKelly> I guess you may want to try to read logs after failed x startup attempts. It could help to get the idea on what goes wrong with x. |
| 23:18.16 | nekoseam | I wish Debian allowed you to change the shell during the install |
| 23:19.36 | AliceKelly | t3st3r: i went over Xorg.0.log but either i dont have the expertise to recognize what went wrong or there werent any errors |
| 23:19.44 | AliceKelly | nothing marked EE |
| 23:19.44 | t3st3r | also reading dmesg and somesuch could eventually give insight on GPU-related stuff (e.g. possibly GPU driver failing on kernel side, etc) |
| 23:20.07 | Brigo | nekoseam, fill a wishlist bug against the installer :) |
| 23:20.10 | AliceKelly | dmest | less showed nothing to |
| 23:20.27 | AliceKelly | went over lspci |
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| 23:21.16 | AliceKelly | is there a difference between startx and Xorg commands ? |
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| 23:21.43 | t3st3r | its dmesg, not dmest and it normally displays plenty of text. Looking around place where GPU starts up could give some ideas in some cases. |
| 23:21.53 | AliceKelly | bad typing |
| 23:22.05 | t3st3r | Somehow I thought x would do more or less the same things in both cases, but I could be wrong on that. |
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| 23:23.27 | t3st3r | X does plenty of stuff on being smart and I could miss something. Furthermore, failed start -> kill -9 -> restart does not necessarily equals to cold start. |
| 23:24.55 | AliceKelly | it doesnt fail. it starts and the screen only shows lines on one side |
| 23:25.24 | AliceKelly | i have to kill the process to restart it or else the logs stay locked |
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| 23:28.43 | t3st3r | lines... hmm lines of text? Some graphic glitch? Or ... ? |
| 23:29.07 | t3st3r | (well when it comes to graphics hell a lot of things can go wrong) |
| 23:29.23 | AliceKelly | horizontal grey lines on white background only on left side |
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| 23:29.45 | cef | AliceKelly: is there anything on the right side at all when that happens? |
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| 23:29.53 | AliceKelly | but the mouse cursor is fine . which makes me stupified |
| 23:30.23 | AliceKelly | cef: just white on right |
| 23:30.25 | t3st3r | that sounds suspicious - like if graphic didn't fully initialized or so |
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| 23:31.01 | cef | AliceKelly: Do you start X manually or do you use a *dm (eg: gdm) to log in with? |
| 23:31.12 | dodobrain | hi all, is there a scripted method to install the latest firefox stable? |
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| 23:31.41 | AliceKelly | cef: it starts from a init script |
| 23:31.50 | dodobrain | https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox just says "download the ff version you want directly from the official website" |
| 23:31.52 | t3st3r | hmm... if cursor is fine then graphic is more or less alive |
| 23:32.18 | cef | AliceKelly: so normally you get a graphical login screen? |
| 23:32.24 | AliceKelly | t3st3r: thats what gets me i cant be refresh if the cursor is fine |
| 23:33.06 | AliceKelly | cef: no i login from cli |
| 23:33.40 | cef | AliceKelly: ok.. so you log in from cli and you're running stuff in the shell to start X for you, yes? |
| 23:33.51 | AliceKelly | cef: ive been stopping it from going strait to x and starting manualy |
| 23:34.26 | cef | AliceKelly: and by 'running stuff int he shell' I mean it's like in .bash_login or something |
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| 23:35.05 | AliceKelly | cef: right, if i let it do it on its own it does lines. its running but theres nothing there but lines. if i stop it and kill process it starts fine |
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| 23:35.43 | AliceKelly | thats what im thinking |
| 23:36.33 | AliceKelly | im still a newb so a little blind. i know a few basics. im thinking to nano system.d or init.d |
| 23:37.14 | cef | AliceKelly: as a test, tried putting a `sleep x` (where x is the number of seconds to sleep) in front of it in your login script to see if that helps? |
| 23:39.04 | cef | AliceKelly: first place I'd be looking is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if anything jumps out at you. |
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| 23:40.12 | AliceKelly | cef: i been over Xorg.0.log only thing i see interesting is it loads both radeon and ati.. |
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| 23:41.11 | AliceKelly | heres an interesting point though. if i exit tiuser mode, i get EE no screens |
| 23:41.38 | cef | AliceKelly: that's fairly normal (radeon & ati). This is a laptop? |
| 23:41.42 | AliceKelly | but in root kill -9 -1 and startx and it pops right up |
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| 23:42.24 | cef | AliceKelly: so wait.. when it works are you running startx as root, or just the kill? |
| 23:42.28 | AliceKelly | cef: yes pretty old. but when its running it runs great |
| 23:42.43 | AliceKelly | cef: only as root |
| 23:43.29 | AliceKelly | so that you follow ill type out what i do |
| 23:43.51 | AliceKelly | cef: alice $ startx |
| 23:44.07 | AliceKelly | cef: alice$ EE no screens |
| 23:44.23 | AliceKelly | cef: alice$ su |
| 23:44.31 | AliceKelly | alice# |
| 23:44.46 | AliceKelly | cef: alice# kill -9 -1 |
| 23:44.50 | cef | yup |
| 23:45.04 | AliceKelly | cef: alice# startx |
| 23:45.09 | AliceKelly | runs fine |
| 23:45.38 | cef | right, so it works fine when you startx as root, but not as alice (you're not exiting the root shell before running startx again) |
| 23:46.18 | AliceKelly | cef: correct, but if i exit i get alice$ EE no screens |
| 23:47.26 | AliceKelly | cef: user not in proper groups ? |
| 23:49.04 | AliceKelly | sorry im such a pain in the ass |
| 23:49.49 | LtL | AliceKelly: do you have a ~/.Xauthority file? |
| 23:50.05 | AliceKelly | LtL: yes |
| 23:50.10 | LtL | hrm |
| 23:50.18 | AliceKelly | LtL: but its completly blank |
| 23:50.33 | craftyguy | is there a magic dpkg option to disable the prompt that comes up when attempting to upgrade a kernel with 'dpkg -i' ? |
| 23:50.59 | cef | AliceKelly: does the login script you use come from the gentoo wiki by any chance? |
| 23:51.20 | AliceKelly | youll hate me but, no knoppix |
| 23:51.41 | cef | AliceKelly: does it contain `unset -v HOME` as the first line? |
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| 23:52.19 | AliceKelly | ill have to go through them. grep right |
| 23:52.50 | cef | AliceKelly: yup.. if so, I've seen someone else that found that no longer worked and needed to be `set -v HOME` instead |
| 23:53.04 | nekoseam | OwO |
| 23:54.09 | cef | AliceKelly: actually maybe just comment out the line if you find it. |
| 23:54.24 | AliceKelly | cef: thank you ill get on a grep for a couple hours. |
| 23:54.31 | AliceKelly | lol |
| 23:54.47 | cef | AliceKelly: you can always just use `less filename` if it's not large |
| 23:55.10 | AliceKelly | cef: got to find which one has it first |
| 23:55.16 | cef | or pastebin the script (if there's no passwords or credentials in it) |
| 23:55.21 | Akuw | i am using this ---> find . -name 'file1' -exec echo 'ss' {} \; but it doesn't work |
| 23:55.37 | Akuw | don put ss in all files |
| 23:55.39 | cef | AliceKelly: .bash_profile perhaps? |
| 23:55.54 | AliceKelly | cef: i will check |
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| 23:57.30 | Sveta | what is the web site where I can see what prevents a package from debian experimental from entering testing or stable? |
| 23:58.18 | cef | Sveta: https://tracker.debian.org ? |
| 23:58.24 | Akuw | that only create a file with {} name |
| 23:58.52 | cef | Akuw: put "" around the whole echo command, and '' around the {} |
| 23:59.35 | abrotman | Sveta: packages don't flow from experimental to unstable |
| 23:59.42 | cef | Akuw: are you trying to insert 'ss' into every file? or just echo 'ss filename' ? |
| 23:59.46 | abrotman | dpkg: why is foo not in testing |
| 23:59.46 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=foo |
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