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| 00:43.09 | aotirez | hi |
| 00:43.16 | aotirez | i have firefox esr old version. how to upgrade? |
| 00:43.25 | aotirez | its have vulnerabilities ;( |
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| 00:45.15 | rant | RoadRunner: nope.. because mfgs like to do weird crap.. the linux input layer at least made most of that transparent to programmers but only if a low-level driver exists |
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| 00:45.43 | aotirez | !firefox |
| 00:45.43 | dpkg | From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
| 00:45.54 | aotirez | hmm |
| 00:45.59 | aotirez | !apt firefox |
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| 00:46.20 | rant | speaking of mice /me switches to this new logitech mouse he has had for months |
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| 00:47.20 | annadane | aotirez, generally you can just apt upgrade if your firefox-esr is installed via the repository |
| 00:47.28 | annadane | or apt install firefox-esr to update just that package |
| 00:47.45 | aotirez | yes its not getting anything new |
| 00:47.51 | annadane | which one do you have now? |
| 00:47.53 | annadane | ,v firefox-esr |
| 00:47.54 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.8.0esr-1; sid: |
| 00:47.55 | aotirez | on firefox irc person say i have old one |
| 00:47.56 | judd | 52.8.0esr-1; experimental: 60.0.1esr-1 |
| 00:48.06 | annadane | well, ESR will of course be different from firefox stable |
| 00:48.09 | aotirez | i have 45.9.0 |
| 00:48.19 | RoadRunner | rant: so, no "universal " driver exists to custom program buttons on mice of various brands? |
| 00:48.28 | annadane | aotirez, try apt update, then try it |
| 00:48.34 | aotirez | annadane: not work |
| 00:48.44 | aotirez | apt update and then apt upgrade not show any firefox |
| 00:49.02 | rant | RoadRunner: provided that you have a low level driver that exposes all those buttons to the input layer, then yes there is a universal driver |
| 00:49.11 | annadane | odd. maybe a faulty mirror? |
| 00:49.23 | aotirez | why |
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| 00:49.40 | rant | RoadRunner: linux kernel devs have gone to great lengths to make high level APIs for nearly all hw that works in a uniform way |
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| 00:50.18 | RoadRunner | rant: hw? |
| 00:50.30 | rant | hardware |
| 00:50.46 | annadane | what does your sources list say? put "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" on paste.debian.net; also see what apt-cache policy firefox-esr says |
| 00:50.55 | rant | all block device, input devices, etc all have abstraction layers to make programming them more straighforward |
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| 00:51.44 | rant | RoadRunner: the input layer is an abstraction for not just mice, but joysticks, touchpads, etc.. anything that is an input device |
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| 00:52.58 | RoadRunner | rant: I am not a programmer and don't know what mice may have "a low level driver that exposes all those buttons", so is there a list of mice that are known to work with existing linux code? |
| 00:53.45 | annadane | aotirez, did you apt install your firefox-esr or did you get it from somewhere else? |
| 00:54.41 | rant | RoadRunner: not that I know of.. I'm jst speaking generally because you are.. idk what hardware we;re talking about.. idk if you just mean a fairly common mouse with maybe extra back/forward buttons and side scrolling, or some crazy mouse with a full number pad, finger print reader and all that kinda crap |
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| 00:55.07 | aotirez | annadane: it was automatically on my computer when installed debian :O |
| 00:55.17 | rant | RoadRunner: thing is if you have some mouse with all those uncommon features the typical mouse drivers may not know about those extra things to even expose them to the input layer in the first place |
| 00:55.21 | annadane | that means it was installed via tasksel |
| 00:55.38 | annadane | so i don't know why apt update and apt upgrade doesn't work |
| 00:55.46 | aotirez | me neither |
| 00:55.53 | aotirez | wwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 00:56.00 | michael2 | hi all. whenever there is problems with our debian systems, log analysis is our goto tool for troubleshooting. So my question is, does debian project have guidance on the basics of how system logging is setup and how to use it? I couln'dt find anything in debian reference guide or debian administrators handbook |
| 00:56.08 | annadane | i might suggest changing your mirror |
| 00:56.13 | aotirez | annadane: how |
| 00:56.19 | aotirez | annadane: can you help me? |
| 00:56.47 | michael2 | RoadRunner: whats your mouse problem? |
| 00:56.49 | annadane | there's a list at https://www.debian.org/mirror/list, but leave the security line alone |
| 00:56.58 | rant | RoadRunner: going back in time to the common ps/2 mouse for example a ps/2 mouse driver would connect your mouse to a device node like /dev/psaux which is the raw data from the ps/2 port.. this is device specific raw data.. but the linux input layer would connect it to /dev/input/mice a common device for all mice that would be uniform in programming from that point on up to say something like a gui config |
| 00:57.04 | rant | tool regardless of brand of mouse or features |
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| 00:57.05 | aotirez | annadane: i dont understand how |
| 00:57.12 | aotirez | annadane: can you guide me? |
| 00:57.28 | annadane | log in to root and "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and change it |
| 00:57.33 | annadane | !stretch sources.list |
| 00:57.33 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 00:57.49 | annadane | so change deb.debian.org or whatever you have to one of the mirrors in the link, but leave the security line alone |
| 00:58.20 | aotirez | what do i change |
| 00:58.34 | annadane | well, first of all i wonder if it even does need to be changed in the first place |
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| 00:58.44 | aotirez | im struggle |
| 00:58.52 | annadane | i asked you earlier to give us your sources list to paste.debian.net, that'd be a good start |
| 00:59.12 | annadane | and apt-cache policy firefox-esr, as well |
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| 00:59.35 | aotirez | annadane: http://termbin.com/j802 |
| 01:00.00 | nero___ | go to debian website and search diff mirrors |
| 01:00.00 | aotirez | annadane: http://termbin.com/7g6j |
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| 01:00.17 | annadane | okay, so the candidate firefox-esr shows up |
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| 01:00.47 | annadane | and if you apt update && apt upgrade, nothing happens? |
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| 01:01.02 | aotirez | now it shows |
| 01:01.05 | aotirez | before it didn't |
| 01:01.17 | annadane | it's possible you didn't "apt update" first, then |
| 01:01.22 | aotirez | i did that |
| 01:01.25 | annadane | *shrug* |
| 01:01.34 | aotirez | me neither. |
| 01:02.04 | aotirez | i have the same version of firefox |
| 01:02.05 | RoadRunner | michael2: rant: I have an aging trackball with 4 buttons and a scrollwheel; I want to be able to buy a replacement that I would be able to program through gui, so I could use buttons with fingers that are convinient for me |
| 01:02.10 | aotirez | annadane: nothing changed. |
| 01:02.26 | annadane | you downloaded the update? |
| 01:02.39 | aotirez | 69 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. The following packages have been kept back: firefox esr is listed there |
| 01:02.44 | aotirez | to do apt autoremove ? |
| 01:02.59 | annadane | no, don't bother with that... why don't you post that output you have |
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| 01:03.25 | aotirez | how.. |
| 01:03.36 | aotirez | how do i pipe the output |
| 01:03.45 | annadane | well, like you did before, just put it on paste.debian.net or termbin, you just did it |
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| 01:04.41 | michael2 | RoadRunner: sorry I dont know of any GuI way of configuring input devices |
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| 01:04.49 | annadane | you can apt upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999 for example |
| 01:04.55 | aotirez | annadane: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/b2b25b28 |
| 01:05.00 | aotirez | annadane: yes its not work |
| 01:05.25 | Tenacious-Techhu | Anyone have any examples of how to set the locale via a script? |
| 01:05.44 | annadane | aotirez, okay, let's try this with aptitude. if the package "aptitude" is not installed, install it, and try aptitude full-upgrade; don't accept its proposed solution, just paste what it says |
| 01:05.51 | annadane | aptitude will give more detailed dependency information |
| 01:06.09 | aotirez | what is aptitude. |
| 01:06.18 | annadane | i don't ever bother with apt autoremove and if you did especially in this case it would remove a lot of what you probably want installed |
| 01:06.25 | annadane | as i said, aptitude is a package |
| 01:06.40 | aotirez | nice |
| 01:07.05 | aotirez | Upgrades installed packages to their most recent version, removing or installing packages as necessary. |
| 01:07.06 | RoadRunner | michael2: rant: if gui configuration isn't available, I'll explore options if they don't require a PhD in rocket science |
| 01:07.13 | aotirez | so it will remove it |
| 01:07.20 | aotirez | annadane: u didnt know that? |
| 01:07.35 | annadane | well no, i'm not asking you to accept what it proposes, i'm asking you to post the output so we know what's causing the conflicts |
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| 01:07.59 | annadane | i did know that, that's *why* i suggested that... |
| 01:08.12 | aotirez | ah |
| 01:08.26 | aotirez | This command is less conservative than safe-upgrade and thus more likely to **perform unwanted actions.** |
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| 01:08.39 | annadane | yes, so don't press y |
| 01:08.44 | aotirez | wlel i try |
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| 01:09.20 | annadane | i think probably aptitude safe-upgrade is probably another way to proceed as well |
| 01:10.23 | aotirez | annadane: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5a54b10c/ |
| 01:10.41 | aotirez | TIL aptitude |
| 01:10.45 | aotirez | high level package manager |
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| 01:11.07 | annadane | what happens if you apt install firefox-esr? |
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| 01:11.35 | aotirez | annadane: i can install it |
| 01:11.51 | annadane | you'd be upgrading it, actually |
| 01:11.56 | aotirez | so to do that? |
| 01:12.10 | annadane | yes, possibly, if you feel unsure post the output of what that says |
| 01:12.30 | annadane | but if it installs smoothly and doesn't remove a million other packages, then problem solved, that's what you're after in the first place |
| 01:12.32 | aotirez | annadane: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3894b0c1/ |
| 01:13.00 | annadane | okay, so that looks better than before |
| 01:13.12 | aotirez | why i didnt get it with apt upgrade.. |
| 01:13.19 | aotirez | so i will install it and i will see |
| 01:13.20 | annadane | it's possible the mirror was just being weird |
| 01:13.34 | aotirez | how |
| 01:13.38 | annadane | no idea |
| 01:13.42 | annadane | any number of reasons |
| 01:14.02 | aotirez | im not using popular one |
| 01:15.09 | annadane | what country are you located in? if you visit https://www.debian.org/mirror/list it tells of primary mirrors you can use, which have good bandwidth and so on |
| 01:15.30 | annadane | this is what i was saying before, ignore the security line and just change the other 2; you don't have to, only if you want, to avoid future issues |
| 01:15.35 | aotirez | i am from israel |
| 01:15.52 | annadane | or alternatively use deb.debian.org, which is a redirect |
| 01:16.02 | aotirez | yay |
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| 01:16.07 | aotirez | firefox 52.8.0 i got |
| 01:16.10 | aotirez | annadane: thanks! |
| 01:16.25 | annadane | it removed a package, which is a little strange, but i'm not sure you necessarily need it |
| 01:16.33 | aotirez | nah i dont |
| 01:16.38 | aotirez | do i need to change repositories? |
| 01:16.40 | annadane | ,v firefox-esr-l10n-be |
| 01:16.41 | judd | Package: firefox-esr-l10n-be on amd64 -- sid: 45.9.0esr-1; experimental: 60.0.1esr-1 |
| 01:16.47 | annadane | ...ah. |
| 01:17.16 | annadane | that... indicates something strange went on, plus the large list of apt autoremove-able programs |
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| 01:17.52 | annadane | no, you don't really need to change your mirror |
| 01:17.53 | aotirez | so is there a problem? |
| 01:18.18 | annadane | well, it's possible you installed something from sid, or this is an old machine that once had something in stable which has since been removed |
| 01:18.36 | annadane | i think for now i'd probably just ignore it, that's my view, i could be wrong |
| 01:18.43 | aotirez | k |
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| 01:20.25 | annadane | aotirez, just checking, can you post to paste.debian.net, "dpkg -l libc6"? |
| 01:20.33 | michael2 | RoadRunner: sorry again. the program I use is `xinput' it is unbelievably hard to use. in fact I wouldn't even describe it as a program. its more like a series of chained actions - each step involving correect manual interpretation of the preceding step and applying some new setting. _and_ you can probably only use xinput on stretch if you rip out the new libinput based input controller packages and revert to |
| 01:20.34 | michael2 | the old evdev - and risk breaking the ability to use a mouse on your system at all. its the only technique Ive found to work for configuring my mouse |
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| 01:21.30 | aotirez | annadane: http://termbin.com/yg4g |
| 01:22.00 | annadane | okay, so not foolproof, but i'm less sure now there are severe problems... i'd just not type apt autoremove |
| 01:22.17 | aotirez | what problems? |
| 01:22.22 | aotirez | what problems i have? |
| 01:22.44 | annadane | ,v libc6 |
| 01:22.45 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-3; sid: 2.27-3 |
| 01:23.00 | aotirez | what is it]] |
| 01:23.14 | aotirez | i have the same version |
| 01:23.27 | annadane | yeah, it's probably fine, for now |
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| 01:23.30 | michael2 | libc6 major dependency library |
| 01:23.37 | annadane | i was just confused why you had a package from sid that got removed |
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| 01:24.09 | aotirez | thanks :) |
| 01:24.21 | aotirez | i hope ff wont crash now |
| 01:24.27 | annadane | if you install something from sid with a lot of dependencies it sometimes pulls in libc6 - which is a critical package and you do not want to mix the sid version with your debian stable - and it leads to problems |
| 01:24.43 | aotirez | idk what is sid |
| 01:24.46 | aotirez | !sid |
| 01:24.46 | dpkg | [sid] the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 01:24.51 | annadane | it's the codename for debian unstable |
| 01:24.54 | aotirez | ih |
| 01:24.56 | aotirez | sid :3 |
| 01:25.04 | annadane | you shouldn't have had that package which got removed |
| 01:25.08 | Tenacious-Techhu | Anyone have a complete example of setting the locale via a script? |
| 01:25.15 | aotirez | i love toy story |
| 01:25.20 | aotirez | when is there toy story 4? |
| 01:25.30 | annadane | well, that's getting off topic, now |
| 01:25.48 | annadane | i won't guarantee you won't have any future problems but that's a decent failsafe to check |
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| 01:26.45 | aotirez | comeon why 2019 |
| 01:26.48 | aotirez | thats a logn time |
| 01:26.52 | aotirez | why god why |
| 01:26.54 | annadane | here's a list of the packages firefox-esr depends on in sid: https://packages.debian.org/sid/firefox-esr and if you had installed it from there it would pull in those packages, newer versions than everything in stretch, and be incompatible |
| 01:27.00 | aindilis | the cpm program (package: cpm) won't save anymore |
| 01:27.18 | annadane | dep: libc6 (>= 2.27) [not hppa, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, powerpcspe] |
| 01:27.22 | RoadRunner | michael2: rant: am I correct to assume that there is no reasonably straight forward way to either reprogram some mouse buttons or even to find out what model/brand mouse has more than 2 buttons supported by debian/ubuntu? |
| 01:27.39 | aotirez | i see |
| 01:27.50 | annadane | and many, many programs use libc6, so you'd basically be forced to reinstall at that point |
| 01:28.13 | aotirez | so to install libc6? |
| 01:28.23 | annadane | sorry? |
| 01:28.27 | aotirez | libc6 is already the newest version (2.24-11+deb9u3). |
| 01:28.36 | annadane | yeah leave it alone |
| 01:28.38 | aotirez | "so you'd basically be forced to reinstall at that point" |
| 01:28.47 | annadane | yes, if you got the one in sid by accident |
| 01:28.54 | annadane | you have the one packaged for stretch, you're fine |
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| 01:29.24 | michael2 | RoadRunner: have you tried asking in here? run commands to dump your X config, then ask if people can tell you how to set the behaviours you want? |
| 01:29.25 | kanzure | p/win 109 |
| 01:29.34 | Tenacious-Techhu | RoadRunner, look for mice that have the required buttons, and claim to work without drivers. Those are usually hardware-encoded. Whether or not Linux will ever do anything useful with them is another matter, but if it works on OS X without drivers, it will probably work on Linux without drivers too. |
| 01:30.10 | Tenacious-Techhu | Also, bear in mind that you won't be able to get 1KHz Polling, and other features required by a driver. |
| 01:30.27 | annadane | i dislike apt autoremove because it has the tendency to break things, so i have a configuration to just never show apt autoremove packages |
| 01:30.30 | Tenacious-Techhu | Rather, features which require a driver. |
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| 01:31.52 | popnfloss | can you switch from systemd to sysvinit in stretch? |
| 01:32.00 | annadane | yes |
| 01:32.05 | popnfloss | will it cause any major problems |
| 01:32.07 | annadane | !systemd->sysvinit |
| 01:32.09 | annadane | sigh |
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| 01:32.30 | kot | yeh, apt purge <metapackage> && apt autoremove well sometimes gut your system. |
| 01:32.40 | annadane | ot |
| 01:32.48 | annadane | it's really counterproductive under all circumstances, IMO |
| 01:32.51 | popnfloss | well i dont want to remove systemd |
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| 01:33.04 | annadane | kot is referencing another discussion |
| 01:33.09 | popnfloss | oh |
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| 01:33.43 | annadane | why do you want to move from systemd to sysvinit, specifically? |
| 01:35.11 | annadane | !stretch sysvinit |
| 01:35.11 | dpkg | To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again. |
| 01:35.17 | rant | I tried removing systemd when I first crawled out from under my rock and seen it.. it wasnt very pretty |
| 01:35.18 | annadane | that's how you do it, but it may cause problems |
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| 01:35.30 | annadane | so it's recommended to only do it for a good reason |
| 01:35.41 | rant | after I learned a bit about systemd and how to work with it, it grew on me |
| 01:35.42 | annadane | read: do not do it "because i heard systemd is bad" |
| 01:35.49 | RoadRunner | Tenacious-Techhu: re: mice that "claim to work without drivers", maybe I am shopping in the wrong place, but whenever I ask for a mouse for linux, sales reps just through hands in the air - they just don't know |
| 01:36.41 | RoadRunner | michael2: how to "dump X config"? |
| 01:36.42 | Tenacious-Techhu | RoadRunner, Sales Reps? Yeesh; no wonder you're having problems. Just look for a mouse advertised as OS X compatible, and works without drivers. |
| 01:36.51 | rant | RoadRunner: so your questioning was related to wanting to purchase a new mouse and know if it'd work? |
| 01:37.04 | Tenacious-Techhu | It will work on Linux as much as possible. |
| 01:37.32 | kot | i use: apt install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv- |
| 01:37.47 | RoadRunner | Tenacious-Techhu: no matter if it is debian, red hat or whatever? |
| 01:38.02 | rant | RoadRunner: its almost certain any mouse would work just not necessarily all its features |
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| 01:39.10 | rant | that does become an issue when looking to purchase an expensive one with intent to use it on linux with all its features.. best bet is to google the model and the word linux and see if someone has used it or check the kernel or xorg for support |
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| 01:39.16 | Tenacious-Techhu | RoadRunner, the USB HID spec is what allows driverless mice to work regardless of platform; the mouse reports its features to the generic HID mouse driver, and that driver then treats the mouse the best that it's able. |
| 01:39.29 | popnfloss | i was following a guide earlier on switching to sysvinit and i did this: cp /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab /etc/inittab |
| 01:39.32 | Tenacious-Techhu | As for the state of multi-button mice on Linux, that really isn't an area of expertise for me. |
| 01:39.35 | popnfloss | is it not necessary to do that? |
| 01:39.40 | Tenacious-Techhu | But if you go the driverless route, you |
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| 01:39.44 | RoadRunner | rant: I want to know that not just the two basic buttons would work, for example if there are 4, to be able to switch left and right handed operations. |
| 01:40.01 | Tenacious-Techhu | you'll just about guarantee compatibility, if you can't find a mouse with a dedicated Linux driver. |
| 01:40.09 | annadane | okay, so first of all, "following a guide" without knowing what it does, is bad |
| 01:40.18 | annadane | the internet can be wrong |
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| 01:40.23 | annadane | unless it's on debian's site |
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| 01:40.34 | annadane | (even then it can still be wrong, but less likely) |
| 01:40.39 | rant | RoadRunner: for example https://www.x.org/archive/current/doc/man/man4/mousedrv.4.xhtml is a brief overview of the kinds of things xorg natively supports |
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| 01:41.16 | rant | RoadRunner: other things like i'd mentioned earlier like full number pads, finger print scanners..etc likely arent seen by the system as a mouse even though they're features ON a mouse |
| 01:41.19 | popnfloss | i think it was on debians site |
| 01:41.20 | annadane | however i don't possess the technical knowledge to know if it's dangerous or not, someone else can answer that |
| 01:41.36 | popnfloss | oh then i wont listen to you then |
| 01:41.42 | annadane | ... |
| 01:41.45 | rant | RoadRunner: they may very well be supported by other drivers seperate from the mouse driver |
| 01:41.50 | annadane | not what i meant, but ok |
| 01:43.11 | RoadRunner | I'll explore these suggestions. In addition, maybe there is a channel specializing in input devices that may shed further light on this issue? |
| 01:44.07 | Tenacious-Techhu | roadrunner, articles like this are available (I just searched for linux gaming mouse): https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-gaming-mice-linux/ |
| 01:44.07 | annadane | you're not listening to me anyway but i'd probably remove what you copied |
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| 01:44.33 | annadane | but what do i know, i admit when i don't know to avoid giving wrong information but it leads to people not listening |
| 01:44.51 | Tenacious-Techhu | Reddit also has a Linux Gaming subreddit... |
| 01:44.56 | rant | RoadRunner: there is ##hardware ##linux which are more general channels with people savvy in linux and hardware and you could perhaps send an email to the linux kernel mailing list (lkml) and ask the kernel devs about it |
| 01:47.38 | rant | RoadRunner: also googling "multi button mouse linux" will get you ubuntu, mint, arch, etc forums as well as stack exchange and such posts about configuring additional mouse buttons |
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| 01:48.42 | RoadRunner | for my existing Microsoft Trackball Explorer, reprogramming left/right operations is not likely to happen I take it? |
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| 01:49.17 | rant | I dont see why not.. most microsoft mice have been around a long time and are well supported |
| 01:49.44 | rant | I always said one thing microsoft made that was good was their mice :P |
| 01:50.09 | rant | I was a big fan of their basic optical wheel mouse.. cheap and well made |
| 01:51.54 | Tenacious-Techhu | Anyone have a complete example of how to set the locale through a script? |
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| 01:55.02 | t5u | hi, how can I reinstall, my package manager error "libssl-dev : Depends: libssl1.1 (= 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2) but 1.1.0g-2 is to be installed" |
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| 01:56.13 | annadane | ,v libssl1.1 |
| 01:56.14 | judd | Package: libssl1.1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; buster: 1.1.0h-2; sid: 1.1.0h-3; experimental: 1.1.1~~pre6-2 |
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| 02:01.33 | rant | Tenacious-Techhu: check manpages for locale locale-gen and update-locale |
| 02:02.00 | rant | Tenacious-Techhu: locale lists current locale settings local-gen and update-locale set it which can be done via a script |
| 02:03.10 | rant | Tenacious-Techhu: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-set-locales-i18n-on-a-linux-unix/ scroll down to heading "View/set global locale for all users on a Debian or Ubuntu Linux" |
| 02:03.19 | annadane | they left but 1.1.0g-2 isn't even in the judd factoid |
| 02:03.24 | annadane | idk how they got into that |
| 02:03.29 | Tenacious-Techhu | rant, is that complete, or are you maybe missing something? |
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| 02:03.46 | rant | annadane: judd isn't an infobot its a UDD bot |
| 02:04.20 | rant | !udd |
| 02:04.20 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
| 02:04.45 | rant | annadane: thus it doesnt have factoids, it queries udd |
| 02:04.58 | annadane | yes, well, fine, judd's thing |
| 02:06.10 | Tenacious-Techhu | rant, have you successfully used those instructions before? |
| 02:07.02 | rant | Tenacious-Techhu: what could possibly be more complete? I can't write a damn script FOR you unless you were more specfic about a one-time change, one user, all users, which locale.. etc.. and I'm not going to anyhow.. and I wouldnt ever change my locale and if I were to do so I'd do it using dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:07.43 | rant | feel free to hold your breath for a more detailed and tested solution if you like :P |
| 02:08.18 | rant | I'd call an amulance first though.. you'll be unconscious in about a minute or two |
| 02:08.37 | Tenacious-Techhu | rant, I'm suggesting that those instructions don't actually work. |
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| 02:09.15 | Tenacious-Techhu | It's for all users, and a single specific locale which needs to be generated. |
| 02:09.28 | Tenacious-Techhu | Specifically, the locale generation instruction on that page doesn't actually work. |
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| 02:09.41 | rant | locale-gen <locale> && update-locale didnt work? |
| 02:09.56 | RoadRunner | rant: one thing that bothers me greatly in my trackball, is if I try to use a scroll wheel in Firefox, instead of scrolling down the page it reverts to a page previously visited. If I could change that and left right buttons, I'd be a happy man. |
| 02:09.59 | Tenacious-Techhu | The first step didn't work; it doesn't let you generate a locale that way. |
| 02:10.31 | Tenacious-Techhu | I don't think a specific locale is a valid argument to that command. |
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| 02:11.48 | rant | http://paste.debian.net/1025449/ |
| 02:11.56 | rant | I beg to differ |
| 02:12.17 | rant | perhaps your problem is knowing the proper name of the locale |
| 02:12.34 | rant | or the locale is not available |
| 02:12.39 | Tenacious-Techhu | No, that I've got. Try a locale you don't already have. |
| 02:13.15 | Tenacious-Techhu | When I try that command with a new locale, only the ones I already have get generated; the new one doesn't. |
| 02:13.17 | rant | I'm an ignent yinzer I dont know of any others :P you wanna tell me which one? |
| 02:13.18 | Tenacious-Techhu | No error message. |
| 02:13.30 | Tenacious-Techhu | Sure, gimme a sec. |
| 02:15.17 | rant | the supported locales are listed in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED |
| 02:15.57 | Tenacious-Techhu | You could try "en_GB.utf8", for instance... |
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| 02:16.50 | rant | ok you were right about the argument part |
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| 02:17.41 | Tenacious-Techhu | See? It's just a bogus example. |
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| 02:18.26 | Tenacious-Techhu | So, with information like that out there, please excuse me if I want a confirmed-to-work valid example that actually does the stated job. |
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| 02:18.43 | rant | but just reading the manpages as I said first wouldve told you how.. locale-gen only builds those specified in /etc/locale.gen and passes off to localedef to actually do the work which does accept arguments |
| 02:18.49 | coruja | uncomment in /etc/locale.gen the locale(s) you want to be generated |
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| 02:19.18 | rant | so you can either use /etc/locale.gen or call localedef directly |
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| 02:19.41 | Tenacious-Techhu | coruja, editing config files via script can be error prone. If there's a way to avoid doing that, I'd prefer it. |
| 02:20.06 | Tenacious-Techhu | rant, localedef? |
| 02:20.06 | rant | yessir |
| 02:20.31 | rant | as the manpage for locale-def says it reads locale.gen then passes to localedef and manpage for that command says it accepts locale as argument |
| 02:21.42 | Tenacious-Techhu | I'll have to look into that. |
| 02:21.47 | rant | though it seems simpler to let locale-gen do it.. as localedef isnt real user friendly |
| 02:22.04 | Tenacious-Techhu | I don't need it to be user friendly; I need it to be scriptable. |
| 02:22.15 | rant | the locale.gen file seems to just be a list you can fairly safely just echo "mylocale" > /etc/locale.gen I would think |
| 02:23.07 | Tenacious-Techhu | I get where you are coming from, but without a tool specifically built to edit config files, I would rather not. |
| 02:23.31 | rant | its not really in config file format.. its just a file that contains the names of locales to generate |
| 02:23.51 | rant | and python does have a real simple config file module if it were |
| 02:24.13 | rant | but since its not in any special format standard utilities can write it safely |
| 02:24.19 | Tenacious-Techhu | Why doesn't bash have one? |
| 02:24.32 | rant | heh.. idk.. |
| 02:25.08 | rant | if I were you I'd learn a little python or perl for when things get a bit too complex for bash |
| 02:25.33 | rant | python is very easy, standard (installed already), and extremely well documented |
| 02:25.39 | Tenacious-Techhu | I actually do know some Python, I'm just not convinced it's the right tool for this job. |
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| 02:25.45 | rant | but for this case, this is something bash can handle |
| 02:26.32 | qman__ | Too complex for bash? No such thing ;) |
| 02:26.46 | rant | since /etc/locale.gen is in the formate of one locale per line, its real safe to just use any standard utility to write it |
| 02:26.50 | coruja | any text file editor lets you edit config files, no more tools needed |
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| 02:27.13 | rant | coruja: yes but in this case he wants to programmatically change locale.. can't use any interactive methods |
| 02:27.36 | Tenacious-Techhu | coruja, it would be better to use a tool which preserves the config file formatting; if one existed. |
| 02:27.36 | rant | why he needs to do this idk, but maybe has a lot of machines and wants to do it all at once |
| 02:27.52 | michael2 | does anyone know how to list those package which have been marked for install using aptitude? |
| 02:28.31 | rant | in this case this config file has no formatting and is only read when locale-gen is called and since you're not gonna be calling it but once you can create a new file with the locale name with a simple echo "locale" > /etc/locale.gen |
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| 02:29.05 | rant | michael2: in aptitude's interactive mode or via command line? |
| 02:29.24 | Tenacious-Techhu | Yes, but I might also need to remove an entry or two from it, or prevent duplicates, and so on; it would be better if I had a tool that did that for me. |
| 02:29.36 | michael2 | rant: preferably commandline |
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| 02:31.59 | qman__ | sed |
| 02:32.15 | rant | bah.. damn online aptitude doc is 404 :P |
| 02:33.51 | michael2 | rant: do you know what aptitudes default formatter's are for 'search' command? |
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| 02:33.59 | michael2 | I can prob work from those |
| 02:34.16 | Tenacious-Techhu | rant, it looks like localedef is used for building brand-new locales from raw data files; I'm not sure it does the job I need it to do. |
| 02:34.51 | rant | michael2: done it before but since aptitude has become less popular I been using apt and dpkg more because their features have expanded |
| 02:35.11 | michael2 | what about using aptitude TUI? |
| 02:35.43 | rant | dpkg-query and dpkg -l can do pretty much all aptitude can now |
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| 02:36.21 | michael2 | with a TUI? |
| 02:36.30 | rant | i'm very space constrained so I'm not gonna install the aptitude docs just to figure that out |
| 02:37.01 | michael2 | figure what out? the out put format ? its: %c%a%M %p %Z %v %V |
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| 02:38.11 | rant | Tenacious-Techhu: if it were me I'd just # echo "mylocale" > /etc/locale.gen; locale-gen && update-locale |
| 02:38.15 | michael2 | how could you install aptitude docs if you cant hit the aptitude onnline docs? |
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| 02:38.44 | rant | the online doc was on ailoth.debian.org the installable docs are on the package repos |
| 02:38.57 | michael2 | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ |
| 02:39.10 | rant | I vaguely recall that ailoth had some issues recently |
| 02:39.18 | Tenacious-Techhu | rant, is dpkg-reconfigure scriptable? |
| 02:39.38 | michael2 | yes, I have scripted it |
| 02:39.56 | rant | Tenacious-Techhu: well.. debconf can be finagled and thats what dpkg-reconfigure uses for that interactive questioning |
| 02:40.00 | Tenacious-Techhu | michael2, how would I go about using it in a script? |
| 02:40.10 | rant | Tenacious-Techhu: has to be able to be for things like FAI and such |
| 02:40.54 | rant | what I dont get is why your resistant to the solution using locale-gen which seems simple enough |
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| 02:41.30 | rant | people write to files all the time from scripts.. this file is only used for one thing, and has no special format |
| 02:41.45 | michael2 | Tenacious-Techhu: what rant said - was a better way of describing. I have scripted package reconfigurations. like 'tzdata' |
| 02:42.39 | Tenacious-Techhu | rant, it appears to have no special formatting now... later, it might have config file comments, and other such things. |
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| 02:46.57 | rant | it has comments on my machine but those comments are for the user not the program |
| 02:47.43 | rant | I'm just imagining 300 years from now locale-gen still works the same way and you still havent figured out how to do this because you wont just write a single f'n line to its config file |
| 02:48.20 | rant | you wanna preserve it? fine.. just use a double redirect and append it :P |
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| 02:53.41 | michael2 | well, I worked out how to show packages marked wiht the "install" action |
| 02:53.45 | michael2 | aptitude search '.*' -F '%a.%M %p %Z' | grep '^\S' |
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| 02:54.57 | michael2 | ideally one could just browse to a view in aptitude |
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| 02:59.21 | rant | yeah those aptitude options are too crazy for me to remember and since I dont use it, I dont even try to remember |
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| 03:00.45 | michael2 | rant so you find apt much better? less options etc? |
| 03:01.12 | michael2 | less dependency on online manuals too? :) |
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| 03:02.47 | rant | I still use apt-get and dpkg most of the time.. but occasionally I'll use apt, dpkg-query and such |
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| 03:03.16 | rant | apt search is easier to type than apt-cache search but I've typed apt-get install for so long its a habit |
| 03:03.16 | apt | ...but search is already something else... |
| 03:04.06 | rant | python also has a real nice apt module if you really need to do something fancy |
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| 03:09.23 | somiaj | I sometimes wish apt was more like git, so apt-search and apt search both workd |
| 03:10.24 | somiaj | apt-policy is one I also misstype a lot |
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| 03:11.30 | Tenacious-Techhu | I used Fedora before I used Debian; yum was a very nice tool, and when apt is too apt-like, I find I'm wishing I was using it. I hear dnf is better, but it has a stupid name... why would I want a package manager named after what racers are labeled when they crash out of a race? |
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| 03:12.02 | Tenacious-Techhu | "dnf": "did not finish" |
| 03:12.34 | somiaj | yea, yum has come a long way, apt has been around a good amount longer, so I thik does some stuff better. Main thing that yum has that I think apt would benifit from is the rollback |
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| 03:12.54 | somiaj | rpm hell use to be a common thing before yum |
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| 03:13.27 | Tenacious-Techhu | somiaj, it's also a generally nicer interface; everything is all in one command; you don't have a separate "apt-get" and "apt-cache". |
| 03:14.04 | Tenacious-Techhu | There's also no separate "update"; "upgrade" does both. |
| 03:14.43 | Tenacious-Techhu | I think it also handles resuming downloads, but don't quote me on that. |
| 03:15.49 | michael2 | is anyone familiar with aptitude TUI? does anyone know how to change the categories for the package list? |
| 03:16.42 | rant | yeah I recall starting out on rpm based distros before package managers.. it was a nightmare |
| 03:17.08 | somiaj | Tenacious-Techhu: there is just 'apt', I like the update/upgrade thing, yum takes to long, having to upgrade and talk with the server each time. apt already knows what is on the server and is much faster. apt resumes downloads. |
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| 03:17.46 | rant | hmm.. I didnt know all that.. might motivate me to work harder to break the habit of using apt-get |
| 03:18.18 | somiaj | apt includes some functionality of both apt-get and apt-cache, (But not apt-file) |
| 03:18.31 | somiaj | apt has limited functionality, beucase it focuses on things a user will need (not a script) |
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| 03:18.58 | rant | one reason I preferred apt-get over aptitude even knowing aptitude kept better track of what it does and resolved complex dep issues better, was because aptitude checked the cache before and after making it slower.. apt similarly does more than apt-get and apt-cache like sorting and stuff which is nice, but it takes a bit longer |
| 03:19.45 | Tenacious-Techhu | somiaj, I'd rather have the latest version of everything; if the software updates in the middle of me running an update, I'd rather it keep updating than freeze at the version I started at. If I wanted a specific version, I'd ask. Of course, for server purposes, specific versions may be called for. |
| 03:19.46 | somiaj | yea, the speed of apt-get is quite nice. |
| 03:19.53 | rant | thats something I didnt like about synaptic too the way it would sit there for moments reloading the cache after an install when I just wanted to exit and be done with it |
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| 03:20.29 | somiaj | Tenacious-Techhu: in a frozen system, things don't change enough that when I'm installing a system, there is going to be no updates while I'm working on it, and after installing multiple things of software, the extra time adds up. |
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| 03:20.53 | somiaj | also now there is a cron job that runs apt update once a day, which is usually more than enough to ensure you have the most current version, in stable it is frozen, things don't change that often. |
| 03:21.55 | rant | I'm not a big fan of that cron job decision.. I thought I had a security breach first time I found that.. didnt know wth was going on and I found apt running when I didnt tell it to |
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| 03:22.21 | somiaj | so I do think the having a seperate update command is the model I prefer, because overall it is faster. |
| 03:22.30 | rant | at no point was I asked if I wanted that and being a cron job its kinda hidden unlike the update notification icon thingy we had for awhile now thats highly visible |
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| 03:22.56 | somiaj | rant: I too was surprised by it, and it only affect my fresh installs, not my jessie -> stretch upgrades. But once I realised it was just an update, I thought it was nice. |
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| 03:23.32 | rant | yeah well I'm a farily hyper-aware individual.. I'll wake up in the middle of a dead sleep if a hdd is thrashing when it shouldnt be :P |
| 03:23.35 | somiaj | but with stable, the only really time you need to update is when a security patch hits, and I keep up on the DSA emails, so I know when I need to do that. |
| 03:23.46 | rant | so things that arent necessary or expected annoy me a bit |
| 03:24.35 | somiaj | now that my computer isn't in my bedroom, that doens't wake me up anymore like it use to |
| 03:24.53 | rant | I was accustomed to my locate-db script running at 6am or such but that one I wasnt aware of |
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| 03:27.47 | rant | yeah well now that I am running off an m.2 ssd and flash drives I wouldnt know if something was going on.. I may be able to hear a faint clicking of a hddbut I can't hear a damn flash drive :P |
| 03:28.26 | Zharf | get a dell laptop, you'll hear it without an hdd |
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| 03:28.42 | rant | heh.. dell bashing is a classic |
| 03:29.07 | Zharf | my work computer is a dell, I can't figure out why it keeps making such noises |
| 03:29.13 | rant | thats pretty much what dell certification is all about.. elarning to not make people hate dell |
| 03:29.15 | somiaj | I guess having to work with dell's now, and they seem fine to me. |
| 03:29.45 | rant | they suffered greatly in the past from poor customer service / support |
| 03:30.06 | rant | and when it didnt put an end to them they went overboard addressing the issue |
| 03:31.18 | Zharf | over the past couple of months mine has had a broken motherboard, dead battery and cpu fan |
| 03:32.15 | rant | I did a contract job many years ago for a downsizing office, they wanted to rent out space and the job consisted of moving dell monitors on arms and dell docking stationsand the company asked if I had a dell cert and I told to go f' themselves.. heh |
| 03:32.24 | somiaj | maybe I have just been lucky, but outside of a few quirks with the keyboard (like keys getting stuck even when they aren't) it has been a good little laptop. |
| 03:33.05 | somiaj | and the discount my job has with dell, really don't have any other choice of hardware. |
| 03:33.11 | rant | I never had any problem with any of the dells I had.. but their issues were more there customer interaction than their tech which is why their cert is not avbout tech its about kissin arse |
| 03:33.40 | rant | and why I made a point to be an arse about being asked if i had one :P |
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| 03:37.49 | rant | really that more than anything is why I stopped doing end-user support cause I could not longer be professional I just wanted everone to install debian :P |
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| 03:42.51 | daviid | the weirdest thing ever happened in quite a long time, using buster: coming back from a sleep mode, now the system says the file system is read only? |
| 03:44.04 | daviid | touch /tmbash: cannot create temp file for here-document: Read-only file system |
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| 03:44.24 | somiaj | daviid: buster support should be asked in #debian-next at irc.oftc.net. As for your issue, start by double checking that case by looking at mount, and check the suspend logs to see why the filesystem was remounted read-only, maybe some error occured. |
| 03:45.18 | daviid | somiaj: ah, I thought I was there (I am a bit in panic mode actually... sorry |
| 03:45.46 | daviid | ok, I did joinf debian-next, it lands here??? |
| 03:46.04 | somiaj | things might be fine and a reboot could fix it, you could also try to remount the filesystem as read/write, but I would try to see why the logs wanted to remount it read only. |
| 03:46.18 | somiaj | also as I said, #debian-next is on a different network, irc.oftc.net |
| 03:46.28 | daviid | ah |
| 03:46.31 | daviid | sorry again |
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| 03:49.36 | jim | ok... I got a xyproblem, where y is get a usb device working, and the part I'm having trouble with (the x) is how to find out which driver it needs... (this wouldn't be a problem if it were pci, but since it's usb, I don't know how to proceed) |
| 03:51.29 | somiaj | well same way as pci, but there are some nice thigns. unplug and replug the device in, check demsg, at the end you'll see all info the kernel knows about the device. |
| 03:51.38 | somiaj | there is also lsusb which will list all detected devices on the usb bus. |
| 03:52.52 | jim | can I do /msg judd usbid 1234:abcd? :) |
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| 03:54.19 | somiaj | judd knows some usbids, so I think that works. There are also internet sites you can look up usbid info on |
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| 04:53.21 | scrote | hello. |
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| 05:03.57 | rant | scrote: 'elp you wit sumthin son? |
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| 05:10.30 | scrote | hi rant. well since you asked. can debain boot off a usb drive and have persistent data? |
| 05:11.08 | somiaj | scrote: it can, in general a live image is prefered, because usb read/write speeds can be quite slow (espically if using usb 2.0) compared to an actual disk |
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| 05:11.55 | somiaj | there are ways to make the debian live images persistant, and various different meanings to this (some prefer just a persisant /home and data). This being that the live system actually runs in the memeory (not off the usb drive) allowing you to have a faster experience. |
| 05:12.19 | somiaj | though if you want, you can just install debian right on the usb drive, though expect things to be slow (even with usb 3.0, though that is almost livable) |
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| 05:13.21 | FarhaadN | crtl c not working on debian 8 |
| 05:13.43 | FarhaadN | can anyone help about that? |
| 05:13.58 | somiaj | FarhaadN: you need to be a bit clearer on this. Crtl-C just sends a signal, different apps can inturpirt that signal differently) |
| 05:14.07 | somiaj | what are you hitting ctrl-C in, and what do you expect to happen. |
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| 05:17.46 | FarhaadN | somiaj: i am hitting on putty terminal |
| 05:17.58 | FarhaadN | and not work on any command |
| 05:18.19 | FarhaadN | for example , tcpdump |
| 05:18.51 | somiaj | it could be putty, ssh, or your shell intercepting the keybinding and not passing it through to debian. |
| 05:18.58 | karlpinc | FarhaadN: Is your putty running on MS Windows? Maybe it's intercepting the Ctrl-C. Can't really help with that. |
| 05:18.59 | FarhaadN | or nothing command, only ssh to debian, and hit the crtl-c |
| 05:19.27 | somiaj | and that is most likely the case, windows or putty isn't properly passing this key combo to the debian shell. |
| 05:19.41 | FarhaadN | no is not putty issue |
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| 05:19.49 | karlpinc | FarhaadN: How do you know? |
| 05:20.02 | FarhaadN | becuase i use putty for ssh to other servers |
| 05:20.24 | FarhaadN | and no one have't this issue |
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| 05:20.29 | karlpinc | FarhaadN: On the same computer with the same putty? |
| 05:20.33 | ghostboots | hello |
| 05:20.45 | FarhaadN | yes everything is same |
| 05:20.53 | FarhaadN | and another thins is |
| 05:20.59 | FarhaadN | on tcpdump |
| 05:21.04 | scrote | yes persistant /home is enough for me. All I need is iptables and a place to write the script. |
| 05:21.09 | FarhaadN | when i hit crtl-c |
| 05:21.18 | FarhaadN | terminal show me ^C |
| 05:21.34 | karlpinc | FarhaadN: What does "echo $TERM" say on the box where you have a problem? |
| 05:21.35 | FarhaadN | but nothing happend on terminal, just show that |
| 05:21.56 | FarhaadN | xterm |
| 05:22.04 | somiaj | scrote: there are some guides online for this. Due to the debian images, you'll have to setup syslinux as your bootloader, and make a copy of the live image on the drive. Then make a second partition and give it the correct label, and you can then boot the live image with a persistant home. |
| 05:22.17 | michael2 | does anyone know if aptitude has a "status" command - to show important current info? |
| 05:22.25 | karlpinc | FarhaadN: When I hit ctrl-c my terminal shows me ^C also. That's what it is supposed to do. |
| 05:22.36 | themill | michael2: "show" |
| 05:23.47 | somiaj | scrote: would legacy boot be enough, or do you need one that supports both mbr and uefi? |
| 05:24.04 | scrote | I think legacy is enough. |
| 05:24.11 | scrote | I'm reading http://www.fabbnet.net/Live_Persistent.htm |
| 05:24.45 | michael2 | aptitude show - prints nothing, and aptitude is in a conflicted state + it has pending packages to be installed. Ideally aptitude could print that an overview of hte situation |
| 05:24.46 | somiaj | that might work, I'm more use to the syslinux approach, but there are various ways to go about this. |
| 05:24.55 | FarhaadN | karlpinc: no you dont undrestand what i am saying, when i open terminal , i hit crtl-c , and terminal not show anything, but when i run a command tcpdump, when tcpdump is running, i am hitting crtl-c and terminal show me ^C |
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| 05:25.26 | themill | michael2: ah, I might need you to explain what you want by 'status' then. "aptitude show packagename" is what I thought you were looking for |
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| 05:26.02 | scrote | somiaj if you have a better tutorial please feel free to share. |
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| 05:26.48 | themill | michael2: "aptitude -f install" is the best way of getting aptitude to try to find a solution to a current set of problems |
| 05:27.47 | somiaj | scrote: http://cosmolinux.no-ip.org/raconetlinux2/persistence.html -- this is for debian 7, a bit dated, but the one I'm more familar with. I think either are fine, I'm just more famialr with people using the syslinux approach. |
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| 05:27.59 | scrote | thanks!! |
| 05:28.23 | michael2 | themill: I was thinking the same thing - except I dont want to install whats been tagged for install |
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| 05:29.07 | scrote | I only neet to boot the netinstall. |
| 05:29.41 | somiaj | scrote: I guess I don't follow you, the netinstall isn't a live enviorment or give you even a full shell until after the install. |
| 05:29.45 | somiaj | scrote: what is your actual goal. |
| 05:29.53 | scrote | oh ok. |
| 05:30.12 | scrote | yes I need to boot debian off a usb and run in memory |
| 05:30.32 | somiaj | scrote: but you don't need a DE, just a command line setup? |
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| 05:30.40 | scrote | yes |
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| 05:30.53 | scrote | just command line |
| 05:31.06 | somiaj | scrote: there use to be a 'standard' live image which contained a good collection of cli tools, but no desktop |
| 05:31.17 | themill | michael2: "aptitude keep-all" has it forget actions you've already requested |
| 05:31.53 | michael2 | themill: so that is like "undo actions" in the TUI? |
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| 05:32.13 | themill | I use its TUI so rarely I can't say |
| 05:32.25 | somiaj | scrote: appears the live team no longer makes this image, guess there was little demand for it. You might have to get one with a desktop and then append the boot flags to boot into the multi-user.target (not the graphical.target) so it doesn't load. |
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| 05:33.01 | scrote | https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ there's a "Hybrid" ISO here. Will this do? |
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| 05:33.31 | somiaj | scrote: those are the debian live .iso's but they only have choices for different desktops now. |
| 05:33.55 | somiaj | scrote: but yes any one of them should do, and seems the guidse I'm seeing for stretch dont' use syslinux much anymore, though I thinkt he syslinux approach still works. |
| 05:34.11 | scrote | ok thanks. |
| 05:34.28 | scrote | I'll cope with the desktop later. I just need to get a firewall up. |
| 05:35.41 | somiaj | scrote: if you are just doing something like a firewall and not going to be using the system much, installing to usb might actually not be too bad (does the machine have usb 3.0?), since really once the kernel is loaded and the firewall is up, there will be little reason to read fromt he disk. |
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| 05:38.22 | somiaj | scrote: also here is a better version of the method you posted, https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/ -- this is a non syslinux method. |
| 05:39.12 | somiaj | (oh that method actually creates an install, not a live image) |
| 05:40.44 | somiaj | scrote: anyways, lots of info out there, you should be able to find a method that works best for you. |
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| 05:42.17 | scrote | yup thanks for the head start somiaj |
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| 05:43.30 | FarhaadN | anyone can help me about crtl-c problem? |
| 05:43.51 | likcoras | FarhaadN: are you sure putty normally handles them properly? |
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| 05:44.25 | FarhaadN | likcoras: yes i'm sure |
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| 05:46.06 | karlpinc | FarhaadN: It does look like Ctrl-c is getting to the box, but something seems to be intercepting it. Are you running bash? Have you looked at the bash initialization files (~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile, /etc/profile and the like) to be sure there's nothing in there messing with you? (I'm not sure what would do this.) Also look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config to see if there's anything in there. Are you using a key with ssh? |
| 05:46.06 | karlpinc | ~/.ssh/authorized_keys might contain something useful. |
| 05:46.57 | karlpinc | FarhaadN: Or I suppose your termcap file could be messed up. Somehow. |
| 05:47.14 | somiaj | the fact echo $TERM is giving xterm seems strange, putty might not be sending the single correctly for xterm to see it is a ctrl character (as opposed to just seeing |
| 05:47.19 | somiaj | seeing ^C |
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| 05:48.01 | karlpinc | The ssh client is supposed to send $TERM to the server for setting on the server side. I presume putty does this correctly. |
| 05:48.23 | themill | I get TERM=xterm when using putty too fwiw |
| 05:48.44 | karlpinc | If the server side xterm is broken (a broken termcap) that would do it.\ |
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| 05:49.03 | karlpinc | I suppose running debsums on whatever the termcap package is would detect this problem. |
| 05:49.11 | themill | or .inputrc perhaps |
| 05:49.13 | somiaj | ahh seems putty does default to sending xterm...been a while since I've used putty (mobaxterm has been my goto for a while) |
| 05:49.29 | themill | FarhaadN: what does "stty -a" output |
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| 05:50.39 | somiaj | found a superuser.com artcile that mentions debian has TERM=putty that might help, though as mentioned seems strange that it works for others with xterm and not on this paticular server. |
| 05:51.09 | somiaj | (that is part of the ncurses-term package it sems) |
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| 05:52.06 | FarhaadN | karlpinc: i am copy and paste sshd_config from another server, and restart ssh service, but still not working |
| 05:52.24 | FarhaadN | i am trying to do another thing you say |
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| 05:55.10 | FarhaadN | themill: show>> intr = ^C; |
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| 05:56.23 | somiaj | FarhaadN: maybe try a different TERM, after you get into the system, try 'export TERM=linux', then see if ctrl-C works as expected. It might be some issue with just the xterm termcap info. |
| 05:56.54 | FarhaadN | somiaj: i enter command "echo $TERM" on another server that crtl-c is working , and output same az other one |
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| 05:57.23 | somiaj | FarhaadN: correct, it should be working, but maybe something is up with the termcap for xterm on that paticuarl system, hence worth a try. |
| 05:57.24 | karlpinc | My /usr/share/terminfo/xterm file does not exist. (But there's lots of other xterm* files.) |
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| 05:57.43 | sepi0l | test |
| 05:57.57 | FarhaadN | somiaj: 'export TERM=linux' not working |
| 05:58.50 | sepi0l | can anyone help me? my kali cannot detect my firmware, how to fix it? |
| 05:58.56 | somiaj | !kali |
| 05:58.56 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 06:00.47 | sepi0l | thanks |
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| 06:04.01 | somiaj | FarhaadN: are you using a saved putty session to connect? Maybe clone/copy one that works (just to double check some setting didn't automatically change). Another option, does 'Ctrl+\' work, or does this fail just like Ctrl-C |
| 06:04.17 | somiaj | s/automatically/accidently/ |
| 06:04.56 | somiaj | FarhaadN: just throwin some ideas out there, as things to test. Though I would follow karlpinc and maybe debsums your terminfo files. |
| 06:05.14 | themill | I wonder what ^V^C outputs |
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| 06:08.45 | karlpinc | FarhaadN: debsums -c ncurses-term |
| 06:10.50 | karlpinc | FarhaadN: Plus themill has asked you for the output of some commands and you've not responded. |
| 06:11.57 | themill | karlpinc: FarhaadN said stty reported intr = ^C which is fine |
| 06:12.13 | karlpinc | themill: Oh. Missed that. |
| 06:13.24 | somiaj | though it did get lost checking .inputrc and maybe .profile, .bash_profile |
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| 06:16.31 | themill | yeah |
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| 06:55.52 | scrote | debootstrap is saying --> W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg |
| 06:56.17 | scrote | running from mint. |
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| 07:03.52 | rudi_s | marcosfermin: Depends on the file system. man resize2fs for ext4/ext3/ext2 (it can increase online, decrease offline). |
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| 07:07.30 | marcosfermin | Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes |
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| 07:24.02 | FarhaadN | somiaj: not a clone session |
| 07:24.19 | FarhaadN | somiaj: 'Ctrl+\' its work |
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| 07:25.43 | FarhaadN | karlpinc: "debsums -c ncurses-term" >> command not found |
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| 07:27.03 | FarhaadN | themill: what question i missed ? |
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| 07:32.21 | hatesec | hello folks |
| 07:32.28 | hatesec | what do you guys think about linux mint debian edition 2? |
| 07:32.49 | themill | hatesec: #debian doesn't do reviews of other distributions |
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| 07:34.50 | annadane | #debian is for technical support, not reviews |
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| 07:35.04 | hatesec | -ChanServ- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel |
| 07:35.21 | annadane | meh |
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| 07:44.09 | jelly | hatesec: even if that message is somewhat outdated, the bit quoted is immediately followed by "; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it." which kind of limits the topic |
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| 10:05.37 | vader | Hi everybody i facing problem with debian is that a right place to search for help ? Thank you |
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| 10:07.40 | michael2 | vader whats the issue? |
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| 10:08.47 | vader | michael2, thank you very much for responding . i did install (unfortunatelly) enlightment -hate it and can not find a way to get read of it |
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| 10:09.43 | michael2 | what is enlightment? a package? |
| 10:10.40 | vader | michael2, is a "flavor"? like kde gnome cinnamon |
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| 10:11.01 | vader | i have not the option to choose it on boot |
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| 10:12.01 | vader | *now |
| 10:12.49 | vader | window manager ? |
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| 10:14.47 | michael2 | what login manager are you running? usually you can choose your DE from a option there |
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| 10:15.43 | rant | enlightenment was some folks idea of an elegant window manager |
| 10:16.21 | michael2 | I hadn't heard of it |
| 10:16.53 | vader | gnome right now too . just want to remove the unfortunate enlightment |
| 10:17.27 | michael2 | so are you logged back into gnome now? |
| 10:17.34 | vader | yes sir |
| 10:18.20 | michael2 | did you try 'apt-get remove enlightenment`? |
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| 10:19.19 | vader | yes package not found |
| 10:19.49 | rant | ,i e17 |
| 10:19.50 | judd | Package e17 (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: Enlightenment DR17 Window Manager. Version: 0.17.6-1.1+b1; Size: 1738.5k; Installed: 6463k; Homepage: http://www.enlightenment.org; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/e17 |
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| 10:20.35 | michael2 | maybe you need to run `apt-get remove e17' then - or whatever command you used to install it |
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| 10:21.03 | vader | i did all the steps shown here to install it https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/distros/ubuntu-start hope that helps you to help me |
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| 10:22.17 | rant | I'm not going to read that and you never should've either.. apt install e17 would've installed enlightement |
| 10:22.40 | rant | if you compiled it or something, then you need to use the source to uninstall it |
| 10:22.48 | vader | rant, now i know :) |
| 10:23.06 | vader | rant yes but how ? |
| 10:23.24 | vader | that is the reason i am searching for help |
| 10:24.02 | tijeretas__ | vader: hard to tell. usually, good source code will install into either /usr/local/ or /opt/ |
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| 10:24.54 | tijeretas__ | vader: even better source code will have an uninstall script in its source directorz |
| 10:25.12 | tijeretas__ | *directory |
| 10:25.24 | vader | tijeretas__, sudo ln -s /usr/local/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service |
| 10:25.35 | vader | i used that command |
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| 10:27.13 | tijeretas__ | vader: seems like it's in /usr/local then. and you should remove those symlinks you've made in /usr/share/dbus-1/ etc. |
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| 10:29.44 | michael2 | vader: there are alot of methods of install listed on that page. did you install by downloading a single direcotry/archive containing executable etc? |
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| 10:31.22 | tijeretas__ | michael2: I think vader compiled the source code |
| 10:31.44 | vader | michael2, no i did with git clone |
| 10:32.06 | vader | yes i did unfortunately tijeretas__ |
| 10:32.55 | michael2 | yeah, git clone then you compiled the source, right? |
| 10:33.28 | vader | yes michael2 |
| 10:33.47 | michael2 | oh man, how recently did you install? |
| 10:33.56 | vader | yesterday |
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| 10:35.03 | tijeretas__ | vader: look into the source code directory. is there an uninstall script? if you're lucky, the Makefile might have instructions that automatically remove the binaries. Otherwise you'll have to delete the binaries by hand. they're probably all in /usr/local/, except for those symlinks and display manager entries. |
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| 10:36.35 | vader | tijeretas__, â°â⤠ls |
| 10:36.36 | vader | bin etc games include lib man sbin share src |
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| 10:38.04 | michael2 | If you know the time you ran the install you could try this command: |
| 10:38.41 | vader | i dont unfortunately |
| 10:38.56 | michael2 | find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-19 21:05" -not -newermt "2018-05-19 21:41:05" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
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| 10:39.37 | michael2 | modify the time accordingly |
| 10:39.52 | michael2 | should give you a list of the files you installed |
| 10:40.37 | michael2 | vader: you can get the time you installed by just running `stat somefile' on one of the files you installed |
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| 10:42.21 | vader | michael2, https://pastebin.com/P91fa62B |
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| 10:45.15 | michael2 | vader: can you post the output of: |
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| 10:47.17 | michael2 | ls -alh /usr/local/bin |
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| 10:48.44 | vader | michael2, https://pastebin.com/Sex5GCKN |
| 10:49.53 | vader | michael2, line 30-35 ? |
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| 10:50.50 | michael2 | wow that installed alot of binaries! |
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| 10:51.18 | vader | yes michael2 :( |
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| 10:52.25 | michael2 | I think you can assume all files wth timestamp "May 18 12:21" to be part of the install |
| 10:52.41 | vader | yes |
| 10:53.05 | vader | is there any hope for me without reinstall system michael2 ? |
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| 10:55.13 | michael2 | well just dont log into that enlightnement DE. should hopefully be ok. you should be ok to delete all files with that timestame. but be careful not to remove any others though, looks like you have a couple of other executables in /usr/local/bin |
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| 10:56.45 | vader | michael2, ok do i have to purge all the libs on step 2 second line on that page too ? |
| 10:57.07 | michael2 | purge? |
| 10:57.16 | michael2 | delete, you mean/ |
| 10:57.41 | vader | well there was "apt install " so i guess purge is the oposite ? |
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| 10:58.04 | vader | purge wipes out all leftovers too i think |
| 10:58.50 | tijeretas__ | vader: Do you mean the development libraries? You don't have to, but you'll save a lot of disk space by removing them. |
| 10:58.53 | michael2 | well you didn't use apt or dpkg to install |
| 10:59.07 | michael2 | you went rogue. lol |
| 10:59.16 | vader | so is it save to do it you mean tijeretas__ ? |
| 10:59.17 | tijeretas__ | michael2: he did install dev libs from the repos so he can compile the code |
| 10:59.34 | vader | i did too michael2 |
| 10:59.51 | tijeretas__ | vader: as long as you only remove the ones mentioned there, yes. they're just development libs. but take a look at what apt exactly wants to remove. |
| 11:00.25 | vader | michael2, https://pastebin.com/KqvLJZcw |
| 11:00.40 | vader | ok ill try now |
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| 11:01.29 | michael2 | tijeretas__: do you think `make install' would have run any scripts to modify Xsession, gdm3, fontconfig etc? |
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| 11:02.31 | abrotman | Do we not have the make file from the original install? |
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| 11:02.40 | vader | tijeretas__, michael2 https://pastebin.com/vfq1DPDQ |
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| 11:03.36 | tijeretas__ | abrotman: that's what I initially suggested, but I guess this way is more fun :D |
| 11:03.50 | abrotman | I mean, the make file will tell you what it's putting in place |
| 11:03.56 | abrotman | (instead of guessing) |
| 11:04.30 | tijeretas__ | vader: yeah, looks all safe. just dev packages. |
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| 11:04.41 | vader | tijeretas__, ok executing |
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| 11:06.31 | ldvd85 | Hi guys |
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| 11:07.12 | vader | tijeretas__, should i run kind of install reinstall gnome ? |
| 11:07.25 | vader | sorry i dont really know the right command |
| 11:07.42 | tijeretas__ | vader: no need to. gnome is still there, isn't it? |
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| 11:08.18 | vader | yes it is i thought it may overwright and fix if any issue :) just a noob guess |
| 11:08.22 | ldvd85 | Do you know where I can buy a USB Drive which had Debian live inside ? |
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| 11:10.10 | vader | michael2, acording to your previous advice " you should be ok to delete all files with that timestame. but be careful not to remove any others though, looks like you have a couple of other executables in /usr/local/bin" could you give me a tip how to do it please |
| 11:10.14 | michael2 | ldvd85: cant you download installer |
| 11:11.24 | tijeretas__ | vader: do what? delete files? as root: 'rm file' or 'rm -r directory' |
| 11:12.08 | vader | yes but where are they and what files ? how i make sure if that is what i need to remove ? |
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| 11:12.25 | michael2 | find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-19 21:05" -not -newermt "2018-05-19 21:41:05" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
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| 11:13.39 | michael2 | sorry, i didn't mean to post that- I was writing command for you to run - unless abrotman or tijeretas__ have a better way to target the install files |
| 11:13.47 | vader | michael2, ââvader@Apple-ID /root |
| 11:13.47 | vader | â°â⤠find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-19 21:05" -not -newermt "2018-05-19 21:41:05" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
| 11:13.47 | vader | ââvader@Apple-ID /root |
| 11:14.08 | michael2 | tijeretas__: they have other files in the directory (that shouldn't be removed) |
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| 11:15.13 | ldvd85 | Yes but I'm looking for a fancy gadget |
| 11:15.24 | vader | michael2, no output of that command |
| 11:15.24 | tijeretas__ | michael2: yes, but we'll have to give vader the benefit of the doubt that s/he will not remove them. :) vader's been warned about that already. |
| 11:15.42 | vader | :) |
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| 11:16.20 | tijeretas__ | I'd really suggest looking at the makefile again to see what files have been installed (although I can imagine that, with such a huge project, there are probably several nested makefiles or some shit) |
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| 11:16.49 | ldvd85 | like the fsf membership card |
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| 11:17.32 | mads | Hey everyone. I am trying to install Debian on my Macbook Air. But I can't load the module for the wifi during install even though I am using the netinstall with non-free modules. The 'wl' module is not included. Any ideas on how to use it during install? |
| 11:17.32 | tijeretas__ | ldvd85: there is no official debian merch, so I suggest you just use your search engine and look for a local seller of thumb drives with debian on it. |
| 11:17.39 | vader | tijeretas__, i am afraid that i am not advance enough yet to do so :) |
| 11:18.07 | michael2 | vader: find /usr/local/ -type f -a -mtime "2018-05-19 12:21" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
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| 11:18.32 | michael2 | that should list the files installed below /usr/local |
| 11:18.43 | vader | michael2, ââvader@Apple-ID ~ |
| 11:18.43 | vader | â°â⤠find /usr/local/ -type f -a -mtime "2018-05-19 12:21" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
| 11:18.43 | vader | find: invalid argument `2018-05-19 12:21' to `-mtime' |
| 11:20.57 | michael2 | vader: find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-19 12:20" -a -not -newermt "2018-05-19 12:22" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
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| 11:22.17 | ldvd85 | Tijeretas: Ok maybe I can buy a USB drive end print the Debian Logo on it in some way. |
| 11:22.20 | vader | still nothing michael2 ââvader@Apple-ID ~ |
| 11:22.20 | vader | â°â⤠find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-19 12:20" -a -not -newermt "2018-05-19 12:22" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
| 11:22.20 | vader | ââvader@Apple-ID ~ |
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| 11:23.02 | michael2 | so empty result? |
| 11:23.20 | vader | yes |
| 11:24.32 | tijeretas__ | ldvd85: if you can't buy a drive like that, there are difnitely a lot of online stores that sell debian stickers (and donate a part of the income to Debian). |
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| 11:26.40 | mads | does anyone know how I can load the non-free 'wl' module during install? |
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| 11:30.33 | vader | but ...that previous command michael2 give me that : https://paste.ee/p/Kc2dh |
| 11:30.44 | vader | there is a tone of it :( |
| 11:31.19 | michael2 | yeah, I think the first test I gave you was bad - 2nd was ok |
| 11:32.09 | vader | should i do rm -r /usr/local/share/elua/modules/elementary |
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| 11:33.55 | vader | deleting it manually takes ethernity |
| 11:34.30 | tijeretas__ | there's probably a way to tell rm to remove everything from that time period, right? |
| 11:35.06 | vader | i have no idea :) if i do ill be helping here not looking for help :) |
| 11:35.16 | tijeretas__ | michael2: could that previous command be piped to rm? |
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| 11:35.55 | michael2 | tijeretas__: that find command ? its not matching anything |
| 11:36.20 | tijeretas__ | michael2: but that one find command did? see last pastebin |
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| 11:36.31 | RoyK | vader: find /bla ... -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 11:36.59 | vader | but the first 3 lines shows me timestamp from 9.00 even we asked for 12:21 why ? |
| 11:37.05 | michael2 | yeah, if it matched - and the file list looked good, then you could swap `-exec ls ...' for -exec rm -f... |
| 11:37.43 | vader | RoyK, forgive my ignorance but not sure what you mean :) i am new user |
| 11:37.57 | vader | "bla" ? |
| 11:38.28 | RoyK | just meant 'something' |
| 11:38.57 | RoyK | so in your case, 'find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-18 12:22 " -not -newermt "2018-05-19 21:41:05" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
| 11:38.59 | vader | RoyK, that i managed to figure it out but not the "something " :) |
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| 11:39.08 | RoyK | so in your case, 'find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-18 12:22 " -not -newermt "2018-05-19 21:41:05" -a -exec rm -f {} \;' |
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| 11:39.34 | RoyK | as michael2 said |
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| 11:40.03 | michael2 | vader can you try this: |
| 11:40.07 | vader | RoyK, ok that works long list can i pipe it to pastebin somehow ? |
| 11:40.31 | michael2 | vader: find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-19 12:20:00" -a -not -newermt "2018-05-19 12:22:00" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
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| 11:41.14 | vader | no output of that command michael2 |
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| 11:42.15 | michael2 | vader: what about this? |
| 11:42.23 | michael2 | vader: find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-19 12:20:00" -not -newermt "2018-05-19 12:22:00" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
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| 11:42.55 | vader | ââvader@Apple-ID ~ |
| 11:42.55 | vader | â°â⤠vader: find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-19 12:20:00" -not -newermt "2018-05-19 12:22:00" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
| 11:42.56 | vader | zsh: command not found: vader: |
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| 11:43.32 | vader | ââvader@Apple-ID ~ |
| 11:43.32 | vader | â°â⤠find /usr/local/ -type f -a -newermt "2018-05-19 12:20:00" -not -newermt "2018-05-19 12:22:00" -a -exec ls -al {} \; |
| 11:43.32 | vader | ââvader@Apple-ID ~ |
| 11:43.44 | vader | no output again |
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| 11:44.07 | michael2 | ok, I give up. dammit |
| 11:44.28 | vader | the one from RoyK works but is huge so can i pipe it instead of copy manually ? |
| 11:44.48 | vader | ok thx anyway michael2 :) |
| 11:44.53 | joze | i never wanted to see this arrows |
| 11:45.14 | michael2 | no prob |
| 11:45.17 | joze | *these |
| 11:46.06 | RoyK | vader: if you ran the one with -exec rm -f {}, then obviously you won't find the files later ;) |
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| 11:47.39 | vader | RoyK, yes i think is all deleted :P |
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| 11:48.30 | RoyK | that's what you asked for |
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| 11:48.54 | vader | so do that means i am back to normall already or there is something else i should do ? |
| 11:49.55 | RoyK | vader: what was the problem again? |
| 11:50.05 | RoyK | I just came in with the find command |
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| 11:50.54 | vader | RoyK, i am not sure if i can describe it correctly but i did compile enlightment and wanna get rid of it |
| 11:51.21 | rephlexie | rm between a timestamp range? |
| 11:51.24 | RoyK | sometimes you can just 'make uninstall' |
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| 11:53.48 | vader | bleachbit ? |
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| 12:00.03 | vader | So if thats all thank you michael2 RoyK tijeretas__ for your patience and kindnes in help :) |
| 12:01.16 | tijeretas__ | vader: really take a look at your source code directory, open up the Makefile. You're welcome. :) |
| 12:01.54 | vader | tijeretas__, isn't it gone already ? sorry for ignorance |
| 12:02.18 | vader | how i check source code directory ? |
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| 12:04.31 | tijeretas__ | vader: it's the directory where you unpacked the source code and ran the compilation code |
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| 12:06.06 | vader | tijeretas__, in that case usr/local/share/dbus-1 ? |
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| 12:07.22 | vader | oops there still is enlightment ?! |
| 12:08.07 | vader | oops sorry mistake it is elementary :) |
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| 12:12.09 | tijeretas__ | vader: it's not there. it's probably somewhere where you downloaded and unpacked it. in your /home directory? |
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| 12:41.02 | Tywin | I'm decompressing a large, highly-compressed zstd archive with the threads set to the double of my amount of CPUs and the cpu usage is barely at 60%. Does that mean that I could use a whole lot more threads if I want to max it out? |
| 12:41.20 | Tywin | The system is responsive as well |
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| 12:49.54 | petn-randall | Tywin: It might mean that your bottleneck is somewhere else. |
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| 12:50.27 | Tywin | petn-randall, what do you mean? |
| 12:50.59 | petn-randall | Tywin: Your drive maybe can't keep up with read and writing it to the filesystem. |
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| 12:51.04 | petn-randall | *reading |
| 12:51.14 | Tywin | petn-randall, hmm. That makes sense. |
| 12:51.19 | Tywin | My hard drive is painfully slow |
| 12:52.09 | petn-randall | Tywin: If you install and run 'atop', it should show the bottleneck in red. |
| 12:54.02 | Tywin | petn-randall, yep, DSK is at 78% with "busy" |
| 12:54.08 | Tywin | petn-randall, thanks for the tool |
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| 12:56.43 | hypn0 | is atop lighter than htop :-) |
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| 12:58.15 | hassoon[work] | hi |
| 12:58.27 | hassoon[work] | how can i install npm in stretch |
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| 12:59.33 | nkuttler | ,v npm |
| 12:59.35 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2 |
| 12:59.48 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport npm |
| 12:59.49 | judd | Backporting package npm in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 12:59.56 | nkuttler | !tell hassoon[work] about ssbp |
| 13:00.05 | nkuttler | hassoon[work]: what do you need it for? |
| 13:00.16 | hassoon[work] | nkuttler: i need it to learn angular |
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| 13:01.40 | nkuttler | well.. i use a docker image with node/npm installed.. but upstream also builds debian packages |
| 13:01.58 | hassoon[work] | nkuttler: i found instructions here but i'm still hesitating to put that alien thing in my debian http://linuxbsdos.com/2017/06/26/how-to-install-node-js-lts-on-debian-9-stretch/ |
| 13:02.40 | nkuttler | anybody who publishes something with wget/curl | sudo bash should be shot .oO |
| 13:03.03 | hassoon[work] | nkuttler: :o |
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| 13:03.53 | hassoon[work] | nkuttler: they point to this github work, shouldn't they get the least trust ? https://github.com/nodesource/distributions#debinstall |
| 13:04.33 | nkuttler | trust? |
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| 13:05.36 | nkuttler | fwiw, i have installed nodesource packages on a machine. i just add the sources by hand |
| 13:07.06 | hassoon[work] | i'll add manually last nodejs/npm sources then apt-get install them |
| 13:07.10 | hassoon[work] | shouldn't that be fine |
| 13:08.04 | nkuttler | only you can decide that |
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| 13:37.52 | scrote | Hi debbootstrap give the erranous output. what am I missing? http://codepad.org/4fZIZZBx |
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| 13:39.34 | themill | scrote: there's no such Debian arch as x86_64 |
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| 13:41.40 | scrote | themill: so it's i686 ? |
| 13:42.06 | scrote | well I get the same error with --arch=i686 |
| 13:42.28 | rudi_s | scrote: No, that would be i386 - x86_64 is amd64 on debian |
| 13:43.28 | themill | scrote: there's no such Debian arch as i686 either. Where are you finding these archs listed? |
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| 13:44.19 | scrote | themill: thanks pal.\ |
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| 13:47.42 | themill | scrote: the release notes are probably where you should start https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#idm46643652332448 or on the mirror you were using http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/ |
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| 13:48.58 | feynhat | hello |
| 13:49.30 | feynhat | Is Firefox ESR the default browser in Debian 9.4? |
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| 13:50.50 | NetTerminalGene | feynhat, yes |
| 13:51.05 | themill | well... that rather depends on what you call "default" |
| 13:51.31 | NetTerminalGene | themill, don't make it compex |
| 13:51.35 | NetTerminalGene | complex* |
| 13:51.46 | themill | The default is not to have a browser at all⦠|
| 13:51.59 | themill | well, except for w3m |
| 13:52.40 | NetTerminalGene | it comes as default browser if you install any DE |
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| 14:13.38 | mads | Hey everyone. I need to use the 'wl' driver during install. Is there anyway to do this? It is not included in the netinstall including nonfree firmware |
| 14:14.01 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 14:14.01 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 14:14.23 | dvs | including nonfree? |
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| 14:14.41 | dvs | oh, that's the broadcom driver, isn't it? |
| 14:14.48 | mads | dvs: it is |
| 14:14.59 | dvs | dunno then. |
| 14:15.42 | mads | the unofficial image includes the b43 driver. But i need the wl |
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| 16:31.33 | halt | Hi All, just realized that the docker.io package did not made it to stretch, where can I found out why ? |
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| 16:33.12 | nkuttler | wtf is this snapd doing.. installing packages to /? |
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| 16:33.52 | babilen | recommends Debian packages ;) |
| 16:34.13 | nkuttler | halt: um, do you just want to install it, or really care about the packaging history? |
| 16:34.20 | nkuttler | babilen: yeh.. |
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| 16:34.43 | halt | nkuttler: 2nd |
| 16:35.04 | nkuttler | halt: start at https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/docker.io ? |
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| 16:38.04 | halt | Well I checked that but it's look like most of the other packages, tons todo and some issues, but I don't see what was the deal breaker |
| 16:38.24 | nkuttler | the removed from testing one is probably it |
| 16:40.05 | halt | Yeah that had a link on the why https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=docker.io so it's pretty much QA failed |
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| 16:40.14 | halt | interesting |
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| 16:41.16 | afidegnum | HI, what's the performance difference on deploying web applications on docker vs bare metal server(dedicated) ? |
| 16:42.06 | nkuttler | afidegnum: negligible |
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| 16:42.58 | afidegnum | ok |
| 16:43.14 | nkuttler | babilen: fwiw, i was mistaken, they apparently have their own hierarchy |
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| 17:20.22 | sponix | How can I tell dpkg or apt that libssl1.1 (openssl) is present on the system manually ? I have built it an placed it in /usr/local |
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| 17:21.11 | somiaj | !equivs |
| 17:21.11 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
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| 17:21.31 | somiaj | sponix: any reason you don't want to just use the debian libssl1.1 package? |
| 17:22.27 | sponix | somiaj: That might be a better option, if it doesn't conflict with the Ubuntu 16.04 base for my Linux Mint 18.3 |
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| 17:22.59 | sponix | somiaj: It is the mainline 4.16.9 kernel that is requiring it all of a sudden, and it is the default on Ubuntu 18.04 now (that is likely why) |
| 17:23.06 | somiaj | do you aren't even running debian, you should ask for support in either #ubuntu or the linux mint support depending on the os you are running. |
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| 17:23.27 | somiaj | this is a debian support channel, you are in the wrong place to ask for proper advise on how to deal with libssl on other oses. |
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| 17:25.11 | sponix | somiaj: I do appreciate your help. I am trying there also, but you have already provided better information so far |
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| 17:26.18 | somiaj | because I assumed you were running debian, part of choosing the distro is the support community. Please don't use #debian for support for ubuntu or mint (or any other debian based distro) |
| 17:27.11 | somiaj | and equivs is a bad idea in my mind, in debian you should be using the libssl1.1 packages that are nicely integrated with all the software in stretch, no need to have a local copy. |
| 17:27.25 | somiaj | (though I can't say what other distros do) |
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| 17:31.18 | sponix | So, if looking to do a new Desktop Install. Stretch is what I need to be looking for version wise ? |
| 17:31.59 | somiaj | we suggest stretch, it is the stable release of debian, and has gone through a lot of testing to ensure all the packages nicely work together. Though you may have some differences than what you are use to. |
| 17:32.53 | somiaj | The first is debian is very specific on free vs non-free (compared to mint and ubuntu) so you may need to install additional firmware or drivers from non-free depending on your hardware and your desires. |
| 17:33.54 | somiaj | second is, debian provides 20,000+ packages in its main repos, and most third party repos don't make stuff for debian (like PPA's are not compadable with debian), on top of that due to debian stable being frozen, software may be more dated than you are accustom to. Here is a nice overview on things to consider when running debian (espically if you want newer software, or software not provided by debian) |
| 17:34.00 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 17:34.00 | dpkg | it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 17:34.26 | sponix | Thank you for your help thus far, I'm going to attempt to resolve my current issues, but will begin some testing with of Debian |
| 17:35.16 | somiaj | if you choose to run debian stable, or try it out, the support community here is really good (and part of why many use debian) and can help you out. Just respect our time (we are volunteers) and only ask questions about debian (and not derivatives, even if the software is the same or closely relateD) |
| 17:35.46 | sponix | somiaj: I'm aware of most of the Debian pros and cons. I tend to go bleeding edge on my main programs, but if anything I can just build those from source :) |
| 17:36.26 | somiaj | that wiki link explains such a thing, which is how I some newer software, debian also provides some stuff (like kernels) via stretch-backports and you don't have to compile it yourself. |
| 17:36.41 | sponix | I've been running *nix flavors of some type since 1995 |
| 17:36.54 | sponix | Yes, backports |
| 17:36.57 | sponix | Nice |
| 17:37.44 | sponix | somiaj: If I get my current issues resolved, I'll drop a bit to the Debian donations page when funds permit :) |
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| 17:39.12 | sponix | Well, I have to reboot to 4.16.2 now to attempt to resolve these dep issues. I'll be back in a bit |
| 17:39.14 | sponix | Thanks |
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| 17:59.41 | Namll | i have file names that might have spaces in them, and I want to pass them to a command like rm, is there a way to escape the space with a command. Just a manual regex? |
| 18:00.12 | Namll | this is a automated bash script |
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| 18:01.33 | bitess | Namll: printf "%q" "file name.png" |
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| 18:02.41 | warbaque | 'dpkg reconfigure -a' hangs https://bpaste.net/show/3ab8c5636c54 |
| 18:03.16 | warbaque | how should I fix this? |
| 18:03.25 | somiaj | Namll: it kinda depends on your script and how it works. Find can easily find and -delete files and this works if they have spaces, there are also things like xargs and various other ways. You could also use rename "s/ /_/g" and turn the spaces into underscores (I try to avoid spaces in file names as it does require extra care in your scripts) |
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| 18:04.33 | Namll | somiaj: thanks |
| 18:05.31 | somiaj | Namll: often quotes are enough, rm "file with space.txt" will treat the thing in quotes as a single thing it sends to rm (instead of the shell splitting it apart. |
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| 18:06.26 | somiaj | warbaque: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 18:07.11 | warbaque | somiaj: unstable |
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| 18:07.56 | somiaj | warbaque: this is more a stable support channel, you may get better help in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Aslo this maybe relevant, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=829179 |
| 18:07.57 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/829179 in binfmt-support (open): «binfmt-support.service activating (start) for ever, no console»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-07-01; last modified: 2016-07-01. |
| 18:08.17 | somiaj | warbaque: since you have chosen to run unstable, nice to get familar with the BTS and standard ways of debugging and dealing with bugs. |
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| 18:08.38 | somiaj | though that is a dated bug, maybe yours is different. |
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| 18:09.44 | somiaj | yea, maybe the BTS doesn't have this bug, they all look a bit older, though little info in them, maybe they are hard to reproduce. Unsure if purging the package and reinstalling could help. |
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| 18:14.29 | somiaj | another option to maybe get your package database into a working state is to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/binfmt-support.postinst. Put an exit 0 at the top, this will stop the services from being invoked during the configure, but you'll probably have to go manually fix the issue with the mounting timming out. |
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| 18:17.44 | JustTheDoctor | i just compiled an app on my deb vnc vps, i put the executeable file on the desktop and when i click it it wont load, however if i open a terminal do type ./filename it loads no problem, how can i fix the desktop icon to launch it? |
| 18:17.55 | warbaque | somiaj: I'll try that |
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| 18:23.42 | warbaque | there's a handfull of postinst scripts that hang |
| 18:23.58 | somiaj | JustTheDoctor: kinda depends on the desktop and what is making that icon. Many now days require you create a .desktop file and not just copy the file to the desktop. |
| 18:24.31 | somiaj | warbaque: you have some underlying problem, I don't see where it is. I would head to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and see if users if unstable can help better figure it out. |
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| 18:25.59 | JustTheDoctor | somiaj: its a crypto currency -qt wallet, its being created by ./autogen.sh ./configure and make and another wallet has compiled and works fine.. this one wont let me click to open i have to type ./filename in terminal to launch |
| 18:26.41 | somiaj | again dependson the desktop launcher that is being used, I don't use any of that stuff, so can't say more. I just know .desktop files are usually the prefered way for most desktops. |
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| 18:27.14 | somiaj | also if it requires a terminal/shell to run it in, you need your launcher to run it in a terminal (not just run it) |
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| 18:27.30 | warbaque | somiaj: thanks, I'll do that (first time in 8 years I have any problems with this box) |
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| 18:27.59 | somiaj | warbaque: unstable can be an unpredictable beast, works just fine until it doesn't. But I don't know what the issue could be. |
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| 18:29.20 | t3st3r | btw, dealing with file names from shell could be perilous task, since filesystems generally allow anything but 0x0 and / as filename. |
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| 18:30.49 | t3st3r | so its perfectly valid to have not just spaces but say carriage return or line feed or pipe or whatever as part of file name |
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| 18:33.02 | somiaj | utf-8 characters in a non utf shell use to be more a pain than it is now too. So a lot depends on ensure you (or your software) is sane in how files are named. |
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| 19:14.50 | RedSoxFan08 | How do you switch from Systemd to Runit or some other alternative init system? |
| 19:14.58 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 19:14.58 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 19:15.09 | somiaj | It should still work in stretch. |
| 19:15.57 | somiaj | and that is the instructions for sysv, you'll have to adjust for other init systems (which should work, but you may find yoruself writting a lot of init files for that system) |
| 19:16.21 | RedSoxFan08 | Okay, so just remove systemd and install runit? |
| 19:16.27 | RedSoxFan08 | Is it really that simple? |
| 19:17.42 | somiaj | pay attention to the fact that you need systemd-shim -- you don't fully remove systemd, you just remove the init system part |
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| 19:18.35 | tijeretas__ | RedSoxFan08: also read this if you haven't https://wiki.debian.org/runit |
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| 19:19.28 | somiaj | also ymmv, not many acutally do this, and as such it has less testing |
| 19:19.36 | kot | yep, i can confirm that still works in stretch. |
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| 20:12.33 | Akuw | hi i just made this script --> echo | awk '{ "acpi" | getline; } { gsub("%", " ");} { if($4 < 100) system("for x in 1 2; do mpg123 --stereo nuclear_alarm.mp3; done")}' |
| 20:12.49 | Akuw | but i need this run in a cron |
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| 20:13.25 | Akuw | i am put this in cron ---> * * * * * DISPLAY=:0 && /home/kenny/alerta_bateria.sh |
| 20:13.36 | Akuw | but never start |
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| 20:23.59 | Akuw | finish |
| 20:24.02 | kambei | Akuw: Why are you not putting the DISPLAY portion in the script itself? |
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| 20:33.12 | lanelet | If it runs correctly when you run it manually in your shell, but doesn't run in the cron job, then it might need more context than just DISPLAY. Use printenv and the mpg123 docs to figure out what it needs. Also, make sure the shell script echoes error information to a file somewhere so you can see what's going wrong. |
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| 20:54.43 | ghostboots | hey anybody who can help me out? |
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| 20:58.18 | ghostboots | hey |
| 20:58.22 | ghostboots | anybody there?? |
| 20:59.07 | lanelet | best to just ask your question; if someone knows, they will answer |
| 20:59.24 | kambei | !ask |
| 20:59.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:00.47 | ghostboots | okay so i am using antix on an old crappy computer, my problem is settings arent saved after shutdown. i tried to google it and only came up questions about persistance on live usb and such. |
| 21:01.16 | ghostboots | more specifically my monitor settings. |
| 21:01.42 | ghostboots | i tried using gui and xrandr both times it didnt save my changes |
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| 21:04.51 | jelly | !antix |
| 21:04.51 | dpkg | antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 21:05.23 | LockeOrDemosthen | oh okay, sorry about that thank you |
| 21:05.42 | jelly | LockeOrDemosthen: also, xrandr does not save changes anywhere anyway |
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| 21:06.42 | LockeOrDemosthen | yes im trying to figure it all out. been a while since i have been on linux and when i used it i wasnt very well versed with commands and such |
| 21:07.39 | annadane | so it's a live cd based on a live cd based on debian |
| 21:07.44 | annadane | okay. *shrug* |
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| 21:08.40 | LockeOrDemosthen | yeah thats why i thought i should post in here lol, when i opened hexchat it went straight to #debian so i assumed there was no other channel specifically for it |
| 21:09.01 | annadane | you're not the only one, we get tons of "hi i'm on kali and #debian was the default" |
| 21:09.10 | annadane | mostly on OFTC though, freenode is a bit new |
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| 21:09.33 | LockeOrDemosthen | lol i guess i made myself look even worse by saying that |
| 21:10.19 | LockeOrDemosthen | still trying to get the hang of things. i hate going on irc and asking sometimes because when i used to do that when i used linux a while ago when i was a kid people got all mad about my questions |
| 21:10.44 | LockeOrDemosthen | even if i searched google for an hour they would be like GOOGLE IT |
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| 21:13.01 | suez | you are in hell. i am the http://gate.s.lamc.la to freedom, and to heaven. fromthemachine.org ... and uh, tithehe.lamc.la |
| 21:13.54 | LockeOrDemosthen | dont get it |
| 21:14.23 | suez | is that directed at me |
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| 21:15.40 | LockeOrDemosthen | yes |
| 21:15.44 | annadane | please stop advertising in this channel |
| 21:15.59 | suez | little children are being shot to death |
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| 21:16.06 | suez | because stupid cunts like you think this is na advertisement |
| 21:16.07 | annadane | still not the right channel |
| 21:16.13 | suez | you are a stupid cunt. |
| 21:16.35 | suez | http://fromthemachine.org/ADIOSAS.html < little children being shot, because you are evil as fuck |
| 21:16.38 | suez | do you understand? |
| 21:16.41 | LockeOrDemosthen | stop it |
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| 21:19.41 | lanelet | That was highly objectionable and I'm new here and now sure how moderation is supposed to work. |
| 21:20.25 | FinalX | ah, just as I called for ops to remove him, heh |
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| 21:29.14 | Akuw | kambei: i did it, and it is working now |
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| 21:56.05 | Nothing4You | uhm |
| 21:56.16 | Nothing4You | let's say i have a debian installation with a bunch of virtual interfaces |
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| 21:56.40 | Nothing4You | and i also have openntpd installed |
| 21:57.01 | Nothing4You | with just 2 interfaces it takes about 5s to boot |
| 21:57.37 | Nothing4You | with about 30 interfaces it takes about 50s to boot because the interface-adds keep restarting openntpd and systemd puts the restart on a cooldown because it was too fast |
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| 21:58.00 | Nothing4You | what's a good option to deal with that? |
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| 22:01.22 | abrotman | Nothing4You: move the openntpd start to the end of the boot sequence |
| 22:01.37 | abrotman | or see if you can disable the triggers |
| 22:02.20 | Nothing4You | the trigger seems to be /etc/network/if-up.d/openntpd |
| 22:02.35 | Nothing4You | running `invoke-rc.d openntpd force-reload` every time |
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| 22:07.28 | abrotman | Nothing4You: you can you chmod -x that? or just move it to the end of the boot process |
| 22:08.08 | Nothing4You | how would i move it? |
| 22:08.43 | abrotman | I would think you'd be able to change the dependency with systemd, but perhaps I'm mistaken |
| 22:09.05 | Nothing4You | it's already configured to after=network.target |
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| 22:09.15 | Nothing4You | which from the name sounds like it wouldn't be started until network is up |
| 22:09.34 | Nothing4You | and i'd assume that also means all interfaces are up |
| 22:09.36 | abrotman | which it is, after the first interface, technically speaking |
| 22:09.48 | Nothing4You | i guess you can argue that way |
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| 22:14.11 | hypercore | what's the difference between apt and apt-get |
| 22:14.23 | Nothing4You | they're different tools for the same job basically |
| 22:14.50 | hypercore | which should i use? |
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| 22:15.02 | somiaj | hypercore: apt-get is used in lots of scripts and needs a very stable comand line interface because of this, it also has a lot of features most users may not need. apt was inteded to be a more end user replacement that isn't tied to such restrictions. |
| 22:15.12 | Nothing4You | apt also has a fancier interface |
| 22:15.22 | Nothing4You | including stuff like a progress bar |
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| 22:15.34 | somiaj | hypercore: as such apt has a simiplifed set of commands, nicer output, and is not guarnteed to have a stable cli interface, allowing the devs to put new fancy user features into it. |
| 22:15.54 | somiaj | hypercore: they both install stuff use either, though apt is intended to be the more end user tool. |
| 22:18.20 | hypercore | ok, apt it is |
| 22:18.22 | hypercore | thanks |
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| 22:24.36 | galex-713 | when will buster becomes stable yet? |
| 22:24.50 | galex-713 | how much does it usually takes to pass from one stable to the next? |
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| 22:26.02 | abrotman | galex-713: 18-24 months typically |
| 22:26.05 | somiaj | galex-713: releases are happening about every two years, give or take. Debian lives on the time line of 'when its ready' |
| 22:26.22 | galex-713 | ok |
| 22:26.25 | somiaj | galex-713: things to look for, 1) look for when the freeze date is announced, then about 6 months (give or take) after that. |
| 22:26.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell galex-713 about release history |
| 22:26.31 | galex-713 | thank you, I always forget |
| 22:27.20 | annadane | the freeze is due for march 2019 i believe |
| 22:27.28 | annadane | so possibly late june 2019 |
| 22:27.34 | galex-713 | mmmh |
| 22:27.45 | annadane | more accurately "when it's ready" |
| 22:27.56 | galex-713 | ok thank you :) |
| 22:28.12 | annadane | 6 months really? i just saw that message now, i assumed it was closer to 3-4 months |
| 22:28.38 | Nothing4You | ugh |
| 22:28.52 | Nothing4You | i've removed openntpd now to use systemd-timesyncd instead |
| 22:29.00 | Nothing4You | in an attempt to reduce boot time |
| 22:29.25 | Nothing4You | now i see a bunch of messages "ifup[608]: Waiting for DAD... Done" |
| 22:29.49 | galex-713 | shouldnât systemd parallelize stuff so stuff such as ntpd shouldnât increase boottime? |
| 22:29.50 | somiaj | annadane: stretches freeze was in novmenber (2016-11-05 -- note this was just a transition freeze), and release in june (2017-06-17) |
| 22:30.09 | Nothing4You | galex-713: the problems seem to be caused by my ~30 virtual interfaces |
| 22:30.30 | somiaj | galex-713: there is still a loose dependency chain, and if something core takes a while, otehr thigns can't start until that is completed |
| 22:30.52 | annadane | well, soft vs hard freeze, yeah |
| 22:30.56 | galex-713 | ah, I recall when squeeze was a new thing |
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| 22:31.59 | galex-713 | somiaj: thatâs sad, ntpd shouldnât be required upon a lot of stuff⦠|
| 22:32.07 | galex-713 | at least not, for instance, DM |
| 22:32.26 | somiaj | galex-713: it does need the network to be up. |
| 22:32.33 | somiaj | galex-713: which needs the root file system to be mounted. |
| 22:33.04 | galex-713 | somiaj: the DM? |
| 22:33.13 | Nothing4You | i don't have a DM on that machine |
| 22:33.17 | galex-713 | oh |
| 22:33.23 | galex-713 | why do you want to reduce boot time? |
| 22:33.33 | Nothing4You | it's also blocking ssh |
| 22:33.44 | Nothing4You | i want to reduce downtime when the machine reboots |
| 22:34.26 | somiaj | well now you are dealing with targets, and I don't think the graphical.target is ran until the earler targets are complete. |
| 22:34.56 | Nothing4You | the machine doesn't have a gui |
| 22:35.04 | Nothing4You | graphical.target doesn't matter for me |
| 22:35.34 | Nothing4You | it's only accessed via network |
| 22:36.17 | somiaj | Nothing4You: that was more a response for galex-713, systemd isn't fully parallel, because not everything can be paralized. |
| 22:36.55 | galex-713 | somiaj: why? |
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| 22:37.55 | somiaj | galex-713: there is #systemd if you really want to know. One reason is some services depend on other services being up and running. Such as anything that requires the network, needs the network to be up first. I'm not quite sure on targets and how paralized they are. |
| 22:38.18 | somiaj | systemd can speed up boots, but a lot does depend on the actual machine and what services and processes need to be completed during the boot process |
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| 22:39.03 | galex-713 | somiaj: ah yes, I knew about dependencies, dmd also do that |
| 22:39.07 | galex-713 | sorry, shepherd |
| 22:39.08 | Nothing4You | and i'm back to my <6s boot time after specifying dad-attempts 0 on the interfaces |
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| 23:05.15 | neo_ | Hi people, please, I am having some problems with my Debian stretch. The problem is that, sometimes, after resuming from suspending, the graphic interface is rebooted .. I am using Linux 4.15.0-1-amd64 SMP Debian 4.15.4-1 (2018-02-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux with ICEWM 1.3.8+mod+20161220-1 ... where can I start to look for some logs to know what is it happening ? thank you all |
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| 23:07.00 | awal1 | via less/zless*cat/zcat or something |
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