| 00:01.11 | michael2 | I'm assuming the text file you are referring to is: /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
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| 00:02.09 | kot | michael2, to answer your other question, removal of a metapackage leaves its dependencies in place and doesn't mark them manual. that's why everything still 1works great until the day you do an apt autoremove. |
| 00:02.36 | somiaj | though michael2 seems to use aptitude, which removes auto install packages by default |
| 00:02.50 | somiaj | that extra step is only for apt/apt-get |
| 00:03.13 | michael2 | kot: doesn't it depend which program you use to remove? e.g. apt-get leaves in place, but I though apt and aptitiude will automatically remove orphaned packages |
| 00:03.16 | michael2 | ? |
| 00:03.17 | kot | ouch |
| 00:03.33 | somiaj | michael2: only aptitude, apt works very similar to apt-get in terms of logic (it should basically be the same) |
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| 00:04.00 | TakWah | https://paste.debian.net/1025984/ why is nslookup using google dns, I added my own dns server, the gateway dns, which should be identical with the two isp ones here denoted with placeholders 123.123.123.123, then rebooted the system? Where does the system get the google one why does it use it? |
| 00:04.20 | annadane | this is off topic but i found a neat factoid i didn't know existed |
| 00:04.23 | annadane | !things to backup |
| 00:04.23 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 00:04.25 | somiaj | TakWah: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:04.29 | annadane | for those looking for that information |
| 00:04.32 | TakWah | somiaj: thank you |
| 00:04.58 | somiaj | michael2: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-base |
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| 00:06.08 | TakWah | somiaj: that was it, thanks, so if resolv.conf takes precedence over /etc/network/interfaces dns-nameservers, why should I bother to add them to /etc/network/interfaces, what's it's purpose? |
| 00:06.12 | somiaj | michael2: all of those get installed as manual and in most cases you don't want to remove them. I'm unsure on the exact details, but many are unpackged and put on the system to set up dpkg, and the basic tools, so installing that like other packages won't work, because there is no dpkg at the time. |
| 00:06.29 | somiaj | TakWah: you need to install resolvconf or openresolv to use that feature. |
| 00:06.54 | somiaj | TakWah: by default that does nothing, and either the dhclient sets /etc/resolv.conf or you can manually edit that file. |
| 00:06.58 | pingfloyd | TakWah: /etc/resolv.conf has a way of changing since many programs, such as nm, overwrite it. |
| 00:07.19 | somiaj | pingfloyd: in this case, the dns-nameservers in /etc/interfaces requires an additional package to actually do anything. |
| 00:07.28 | TakWah | somiaj: okay, that explains it, thank you |
| 00:07.29 | somiaj | and with that package installed, things will not overwrite /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:07.58 | somiaj | arg /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:08.14 | pingfloyd | in that case it's resolvconf that writes it |
| 00:08.46 | somiaj | yup, well manages it (/etc/resolv.conf gets turned into a link) |
| 00:09.22 | pingfloyd | the main thing to take away is that /etc/resolv.conf can be changed by many programs available. So either you don't use or have those programs installed and edit it manually, or you set you nameservers in those programs. |
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| 00:10.07 | TakWah | I understand |
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| 00:11.09 | TakWah | thank you both, I didn't know and wondered, to me it seemed like it came from nowhere, but that makes sense now. I edit the file and see if it gets overwritten or not. |
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| 00:13.05 | kot | yeh, if you use dhcp you can just append to /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf: |
| 00:13.05 | kot | supersede domain-name-servers x.x.x.x, x.x.x.x; |
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| 00:14.53 | TakWah | it's working now, ;) |
| 00:14.56 | pingfloyd | TakWah: usually it takes running into situations like this to become aware of that little caveat |
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| 00:19.46 | TakWah | i like that |
| 00:20.37 | TakWah | more I like the feature where you can assign the same mac the same ip all the time, like reserved ip adresses for certain macs, I use that for wifi clients that don't support static ip adresses for whatever reason. |
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| 00:20.58 | pingfloyd | for example, you can put in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf interface "eth0" { prepend domain-name-servers x.x.x.x; } |
| 00:21.25 | pingfloyd | that would be if you were using dhclient |
| 00:22.33 | pingfloyd | rpifan: great album |
| 00:22.49 | rpifan | ive seen roger waters live twice now |
| 00:23.24 | pingfloyd | cool |
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| 00:24.52 | kot | with resolvconf installed i can edit resolv.conf directly (and it stays put), or do i have to use /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:24.55 | rpifan | i saw him a few years ago |
| 00:24.56 | rpifan | with the wall |
| 00:24.59 | rpifan | and last year |
| 00:25.00 | rpifan | with |
| 00:25.01 | rpifan | his new tour |
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| 00:34.21 | hmuller | Hello! On systemd unit files... I have a usb automount that successfully mounts a usb storage device as it is inserted, but it mounts it in /run/media/root/..., what is necessary to run it as the logged in user? |
| 00:34.59 | hmuller | usb automount unit file* |
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| 00:57.51 | TakWah | my network NIC discovery program shows a field usertext, for most hosts it's their hostname but not for all, which configfile is responsible for setting this text? |
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| 01:40.43 | SynfulAck | Did usermod -aG netdev `username` to allow route commands. Did i miss something? |
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| 01:41.35 | SynfulAck | Maybe its just easier to edit sudoers file then -aG a user to sudo for more privileged? |
| 01:41.50 | SynfulAck | than* -aG |
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| 01:45.32 | somiaj | I'm not sure if adding to that group allows one to run route as a normal user. Also on debian 'adduser username groupname' is a quick way to add a user to a group. |
| 01:45.40 | somiaj | did you logout/login after you added yourself to that group? |
| 01:46.14 | somiaj | seems all that group does is "netdev: Members of this group can manage network interfaces through the network manager and wicd." |
| 01:46.35 | SynfulAck | somiaj, haha yeah unfortunately several reboots. I'm assuming this comes down to an environment variable thing cause i have to specify /sbin/route ? dunno why. |
| 01:47.57 | somiaj | SynfulAck: /sbin is not in a users $PATH by default, as most commands in there cannot be run by the user. |
| 01:48.34 | ChmEarl | johnnyfive, try pbuilder in stretch for mock like features |
| 01:48.51 | SynfulAck | somiaj, is there some option i missed during install to approve my new user as admin? |
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| 01:49.38 | somiaj | SynfulAck: in debian (and linux in general) root is the admin, and outside of sudo (well now packagekit), the root account should be used for admin. |
| 01:49.58 | somiaj | SynfulAck: to give your users full sudo privlages, 1) apt install sudo, 2) adduser username sudo, 3) logout/backin |
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| 01:50.51 | somiaj | SynfulAck: sudo is the common way to share admin tasks between multiple users, usually things like packagekit, groups, setuid binaries, are for very specific purposes, not general admin. |
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| 01:51.17 | SynfulAck | somiaj, i did some of that, im just concerned over the part that says commands are not found. So debian wants me to use root to use these commands? |
| 01:52.21 | somiaj | SynfulAck: it isn't perfect, there are things in /sbin and /usr/sbin a user maybe able to use, but in general stuff there users won't have premisions to do much with, so it isn't common to have it in the $PATH. You can put them in your $PATH if you want. If you use sudo, /sbin and /usr/sbin will be included in the $PATH used |
| 01:52.55 | somiaj | you should read up on the FHS, it will explain the differnce between /bin and /sbin |
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| 01:59.01 | hmuller | I successfully created a working USB automount system. Uses udev, systemd, and udisks2 which are all available on most standard installs. Mounts the drive in /media/$USER/xxx --> /run/media/$USER/xxx |
| 01:59.12 | hmuller | took me all day to figure it out |
| 01:59.31 | annadane | !win hmuller |
| 01:59.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, hmuller! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:59.46 | hmuller | lol thanks |
| 02:00.15 | hmuller | i'm really looking for a columbia records subscription though :) |
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| 02:06.20 | rpifan | so this image https://imgur.com/a/o2REIpk |
| 02:06.23 | rpifan | shows what is happening |
| 02:06.25 | rpifan | it gets there |
| 02:06.30 | rpifan | and then sits there for severla minutes |
| 02:06.33 | rpifan | before x loads |
| 02:06.50 | michael2 | somiaj: If you are interested, I think I might have found the file which the installer uses take the programs which were simply unpacked into their target directories. and register them in to dpkg. /var/log/installer/status. |
| 02:07.46 | michael2 | And according the the link you gave eariler, the installer logs the base packages install activities in to tty4 |
| 02:08.44 | somiaj | my guess is it is some relation to debootstrap |
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| 02:11.07 | hmuller | If anyone is interested in simple USB storage unmounting and ejecting: http://paste.debian.net/1026031/ |
| 02:11.26 | hmuller | my job here is done, cheers! |
| 02:12.54 | annadane | i was going to add that as a factoid but it has an expiry date, i could make it expire "never" but now not sure if such a thing warrants a factoid |
| 02:13.07 | annadane | i could probably submit it to that debianhelper site, or whatever it's called |
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| 02:15.31 | annadane | also if i add it as a factoid i can't be sure if it's veracity |
| 02:15.40 | annadane | otherwise it would be a good idea |
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| 02:15.47 | annadane | s/if/of |
| 02:15.54 | annadane | s/it's/its |
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| 02:19.56 | annadane | is there a mailing list for bug fixes of packages in stable (not security fixes)? |
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| 02:21.17 | somiaj | in what sense, the bts tracks bugs, including those that affect stable. |
| 02:21.17 | hmuller | I forgot one important piece, here is the full usb automount solution: http://paste.debian.net/1026034/ |
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| 02:22.23 | annadane | well, in the sense that one gets notifications on security updates and bug fixes in stable don't happen that often so i thought there might be a list for such a thing |
| 02:22.27 | hmuller | the polkit rule is needed to allow users of wheel group, to mount using udisksctl without entering password |
| 02:22.42 | annadane | i guess i'll just go ahead and add that anyway |
| 02:23.41 | annadane | what to call the factoid, i guess usbunmounteject or something |
| 02:23.50 | somiaj | annadane: outside of security annoucments, you just have to check the changelogs of the packages that come in during point releases. |
| 02:23.58 | annadane | 'kay |
| 02:25.02 | somiaj | debian-annouse will inform you of point releases |
| 02:25.32 | annadane | dpkg, usbunmountandeject is <reply> For a script a user wrote on USB unmount and ejecting see https://paste.debian.net/1026035/ |
| 02:25.33 | dpkg | okay, annadane |
| 02:26.27 | somiaj | annadane: there is a debian-stable-announce it may mention some things that have been fixed |
| 02:27.39 | SynfulAck | If using network-manager can i still manipulate the /etc/network/interfaces file? Like adding post-up entries? |
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| 02:29.03 | SynfulAck | ohh...just noticed it seems to only contain the loopback now |
| 02:29.27 | somiaj | SynfulAck: they are not compadable |
| 02:29.49 | somiaj | network-manager will ignore things in the interface file, network-manager has its own hooks configuration you can use though. |
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| 03:00.47 | michael2 | anyone know how to relabel a fat filesystem? I tried `sudo fatlabel /dev/sdb2 mylabel. but fatlabel returned: "logical sector size is zero" |
| 03:01.08 | annadane | try calling it chubby, i hear it's the more politically correct term |
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| 03:02.23 | somiaj | michael2: dmesg | grep sdb, or maybe use fdisk to show the partition table. |
| 03:02.40 | somiaj | michael2: just checking you were trying the right file system. |
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| 03:03.36 | michael2 | I think fdisk is too low level - I dont think it could understand whats in the partitions themselves? |
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| 03:04.09 | somiaj | just checking the file partition table, but I found one bug report that gets taht error if the file system is really ntfs |
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| 03:04.41 | somiaj | michael2: is that partition mounted, what is the output of mount if so? |
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| 03:05.41 | michael2 | do I need to mount the partition to re-label it? thats something I'm not sure about |
| 03:05.49 | karlpinc | likes 'sfdisk -l' for partition table listings |
| 03:05.57 | karlpinc | michael2: No. |
| 03:06.10 | somiaj | michael2: you shouldn't but sometimes just for sanity it is worth double checking things |
| 03:06.20 | somiaj | so some actual output is just helpful, even if it just confirms that you are doing everything right. |
| 03:06.43 | somiaj | i.e. check what the sdb2 parittion actually is and double check what file system is actually on it. |
| 03:07.14 | karlpinc | 'file -s /dev/sdN' is good in that regard as well. |
| 03:07.23 | michael2 | somiaj: what do you want the output of? I can tell you its not mounted - but I can run "mount" if necessary |
| 03:07.52 | michael2 | trying `sfdisk -l' now.... |
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| 03:08.57 | michael2 | sfdisk -l seems to give similar output to fdisk -l, a bit extra info, but no label info. |
| 03:09.13 | somiaj | well I want the actual partition and file system info |
| 03:09.26 | karlpinc | michael2: Try: file -s /dev/sdb2 |
| 03:09.31 | michael2 | the way I have been currently checking the label is with: |
| 03:09.33 | michael2 | lsblk -o MODEL,type,NAME,SIZE,MOUNTPOINT,FSTYPE,LABEL |
| 03:09.34 | somiaj | actually this command would be best, try 'blkid -o list' and share that output |
| 03:09.57 | karlpinc | somiaj: Ah blkid. I'd forgotten. That is best. |
| 03:10.32 | michael2 | yes, file -s /dev/sdb2 gives the label name |
| 03:10.35 | somiaj | again it would be nice if you shared the output you are getting, something is not allowing you to set the label, so sharing actual output from these commands at paste.debian.net is helpful, we dont' know your system, so it is nice to double check. |
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| 03:11.37 | michael2 | somiaj: http://termbin.com/5a1b (output of file -s ...) |
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| 03:12.12 | somiaj | that is an ext4 file system, of course trying to set the label name with fatlabel isn't going to work |
| 03:12.40 | michael2 | ah, I feel silly... |
| 03:12.42 | somiaj | at least that output seems to say it is |
| 03:13.04 | somiaj | see it is nice to just share the output and let someone double check things, sometimes small things get overlooked |
| 03:14.33 | michael2 | yeah, bit embarassing I overlooked that! |
| 03:14.51 | michael2 | thanks for pointing it out :) |
| 03:18.48 | michael2 | e2label /dev/sdb2 my_label - works as expected :) |
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| 03:30.10 | rpifan | hey so gnome |
| 03:30.16 | rpifan | keeps kicking me out of my gnome session |
| 03:30.20 | rpifan | and back into the terminal |
| 03:30.22 | rpifan | and then back into x |
| 03:30.24 | rpifan | without any erors |
| 03:31.35 | annadane | .xsession-errors say anything interesting? |
| 03:31.40 | annadane | how long has this been happening? |
| 03:33.58 | rpifan | idk a week or so, did u see the image i pointed of where X stalls on boot |
| 03:34.31 | annadane | oh, that |
| 03:34.47 | annadane | https://imgur.com/a/o2REIpk repost for visibility |
| 03:34.54 | rpifan | also |
| 03:34.57 | rpifan | no xsession errors file |
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| 03:36.51 | somiaj | what version of debian is this? |
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| 03:38.19 | rpifan | Description:Debian GNU/Linux testing (buster) |
| 03:38.34 | somiaj | #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is a good place to discuss bugs with buster |
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| 03:39.02 | rpifan | i think i fucked up the install somehow tho |
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| 03:39.40 | annadane | what makes you say that specifically, could be a clue to the problem, but yeah, #debian-next is probably better |
| 03:39.41 | somiaj | well for dubgging this you sould join the appropriate channel. simple things to test, try to run gnome as a clean/new user and make sure it isn't a user config issue. |
| 03:39.47 | annadane | ^ |
| 03:40.08 | annadane | waits for it... |
| 03:40.51 | rpifan | true |
| 03:40.56 | rpifan | so unrelated question |
| 03:41.01 | rpifan | i deleted some files on my backup disk |
| 03:41.06 | rpifan | i tried photorec |
| 03:41.07 | rpifan | and it does work |
| 03:41.40 | annadane | again that'd be better off in #debian-next, if it was done on the same machine as is buster |
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| 03:42.46 | rpifan | well the backup drive is an external usb, photorec found files but it only found the thumbnails. So i know the files are there but idk how to pick them more specifically if anything |
| 03:42.48 | annadane | though you did say backup disk |
| 03:42.52 | annadane | yeah, okay |
| 03:43.08 | annadane | if photorec is on buster though as the "host" machine i'd still ask in the proper channel |
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| 03:44.31 | rpifan | hm |
| 03:44.42 | rpifan | apparently u can use pure terminal commands to find the images |
| 03:44.54 | rpifan | i know where thye wer on the old drive at least wihtin the linux structure |
| 03:45.34 | annadane | i just noticed you said "does work" and not "doesn't work" |
| 03:45.40 | annadane | i should probably not do tech support this late |
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| 03:46.24 | rpifan | lol |
| 03:46.34 | rpifan | yea its just an issue of specifying the full size image |
| 03:46.37 | rpifan | but u cant with photorec it seems |
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| 04:06.53 | michael2 | is anyone familiar with manually creating boot USB's? I've gotten to this point here: |
| 04:06.55 | michael2 | https://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#idp71298176 |
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| 04:07.39 | michael2 | but Im not sure how to get all the installer files into the boot partition I've created on the USB |
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| 04:08.27 | michael2 | the docs say: "If you used an hd-media image, you should now copy the ISO file of a Debian ISO image[4] onto the stick." |
| 04:10.41 | somiaj | mount the iso with a loop back device, and cp, or rsync |
| 04:11.04 | somiaj | oh wait, sorry, it says copy the ISO, so just put the iso file on the stick |
| 04:11.35 | michael2 | ah, so Im supposed to copy the _contents_ of the iso file I downloaded (debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso) and not the file itself? |
| 04:11.46 | somiaj | no, I was thinking of another method, the guide says ISO, so copy that |
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| 04:12.50 | michael2 | oh, I'll do that, if it fails its easy enough to delete a single file and retry |
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| 04:14.44 | michael2 | I dont get how the kernel or syslinux will know it should mount the debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso onto a loopback, then run the installer contained within though? |
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| 04:16.30 | somiaj | syslinux should be able to bood the hd-media image as if it were and hd I would assume, but I've never tried that method |
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| 04:18.02 | michael2 | is the "hd-media" image the same thing as the "debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso" image ? |
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| 04:22.33 | somiaj | pay attention to which directory you got the image from |
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| 04:26.14 | michael2 | I got the image from here: |
| 04:26.20 | michael2 | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 04:27.10 | michael2 | it doesn't say anywhere whether its a "hd-media" image... |
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| 04:36.05 | somiaj | michael2: because that is an iso-cd image |
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| 04:37.23 | somiaj | hmm, they use to better say which were the hd-media images, wonder if they stopped producing them |
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| 04:39.57 | somiaj | the iso are the hybrid images, they use to have a seperate hd-media image, I'm unsure if the current hybrid iso would work for that, but I'm not finding the hd-media images |
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| 04:41.00 | bangka | hi all |
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| 04:41.05 | bangka | Sorry for my eng. Anybody knows DNS server that can change static routes without restarting? i mean something like dnsmasq address=/www.somelink.com/1.2.3.4 |
| 04:41.26 | michael2 | yeah, I wondered that - i.e. hd-media is for booting into the installer - when the installler is on an actual hard disk ,as opposed to some removeable media |
| 04:42.08 | somiaj | michael2: I think I figured it out, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ -- those are the hd-media images |
| 04:42.45 | somiaj | michael2: they give you the vmlinuz and initrd.gz files, if you use those, then just copy the ISO to the file (The iso is the standard hybrid one) -- I got confused thinking the iso was hd-image, not the kernel iamge. |
| 04:43.27 | somiaj | I'm just recalling a long time ago, they use to have separate hd-image full installers, not just the kernel |
| 04:45.39 | michael2 | nice find on the hd-media files :) so - if its not a full installer - is the hd-media installer a netinstaller (which is fine) |
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| 04:47.52 | somiaj | no |
| 04:48.12 | somiaj | the hd-media images is just the kernel, basic installer, you still need to copy over an ISO, |
| 04:48.53 | somiaj | there is an important comma there, so the hd-media iamge are your vmlinuz and initrd.gz file you coppied eariler in the process |
| 04:50.36 | michael2 | which file is the basic installer? all I see in that directory is: kernel, ramdisk, and bootimg.gz? |
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| 04:51.08 | somiaj | follow the instructions, they say after you install syslinux on the drive, to copy over the two files I mentioned, then the .iso image |
| 04:51.22 | somiaj | oh there is a create a syslinux.cfg step in there too. |
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| 04:51.38 | michael2 | oh, the hd-media image is the "boot.img.gz" ? |
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| 04:53.46 | somiaj | I think all images in that directory are the hd-media images |
| 04:54.04 | somiaj | no where in that guide does it say use boot.img.gz |
| 04:54.27 | somiaj | oh wait, I guess it is there, that is the all in one, sorry I was looking at 4.3.3, not 4.3.2 |
| 04:54.34 | somiaj | so yea, I guess that is an all in one image |
| 04:55.32 | michael2 | so, boot.img.gz is the all in one image? |
| 04:56.30 | michael2 | the install guide, does say (right at the very bottom of the page) "You can use either a netinst or a full CD image" |
| 04:57.06 | michael2 | Oh, well. Im giving up - for now. I'll come back to it later. thanks for the help! |
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| 04:59.25 | somiaj | michael2: so grab a netinstall .iso or a full cd or dvd .iso |
| 05:00.00 | somiaj | the guide tells you waht boot.img.gz is, it also says that if you use that method, you'll be capped at 1gb, so you won't be able to use a dvd image. |
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| 05:00.40 | nekOwOseam | wut |
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| 05:01.05 | nekOwOseam | How would I go about setting the default shell to fish? I've never messed around with shells before |
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| 05:01.39 | somiaj | man chsh |
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| 05:11.13 | kingsley | nekOwOseam: I don't know how to configure an entire system to use a certain shell, like fish, by default. But, I believe a shell can be made to be the default for individual users by editing /etc/passwd. I hope that helps. Maybe searching Google's indices would help more. |
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| 05:20.19 | somiaj | kingsley: man chsh |
| 05:20.47 | somiaj | that answer was meant to give the command the user needed |
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| 05:40.13 | nekOwOseam | Fish doesn't create a directory in /bin/, only in /usr/bin. Is this normal behavior or is it a bug? |
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| 05:44.01 | somiaj | fish shouldn't be creating a directory in either of those places. Do you mean fish is located in /usr/bin? |
| 05:44.29 | nekOwOseam | Fish is a shell |
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| 05:44.43 | nekOwOseam | Shells are located in /bin/ |
| 05:44.52 | somiaj | correct, and shells should not be creating directories in /usr/bin or /bin |
| 05:45.07 | nekOwOseam | Sorry, not directories |
| 05:45.27 | nekOwOseam | Executable? |
| 05:45.37 | somiaj | or binary, that is what 'bin' stands for |
| 05:45.48 | nekOwOseam | yeah...I'm out of it tonight |
| 05:45.53 | nekOwOseam | anyways... |
| 05:47.48 | somiaj | Trying to find why they don't put fish in /bin. For the most part by the time the user is loggin into this shell, eveyrthing should be mounted, so it shoudln't be an issue. But can't find any bug report or statement why this is the case |
| 05:48.13 | deskdown | So I turned on my laptop and this is the output... http://imgur.com/gallery/SFjeSBZ |
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| 05:48.32 | deskdown | Somebody help me |
| 05:48.47 | nekOwOseam | "Zoinks! You've taken a wrong turn." |
| 05:48.49 | somiaj | your link doens't owrk |
| 05:49.03 | nekOwOseam | If your computer output that then you have a serious mess on your hands |
| 05:49.47 | deskdown | somiaj it works for me xD |
| 05:49.56 | deskdown | Ok wait a second |
| 05:49.59 | somiaj | then must be private or something, it isn't working here |
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| 05:52.31 | deskdown | https://imgur.com/a/0zTCMSR try this |
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| 05:54.21 | somiaj | looks like a problem with your file system, you may need to boot off a live image and run fsck |
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| 05:55.08 | deskdown | Ok let me try |
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| 05:57.10 | deskdown | somiaj ok i'm in.. let me open hexchat |
| 05:57.13 | Haohmaru | ,v libreoffice |
| 05:57.14 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u11; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u9; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch- |
| 05:57.15 | judd | security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:6.0.4~rc1-4~bpo9+2; buster: 1:6.0.4~rc1-4; sid: 1:6.0.4-1; experimental: 1:6.1.0~beta1~git20180507-1 |
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| 05:57.40 | somiaj | Haohmaru: /msg judd v libreoffice |
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| 05:58.08 | deskdown | somiaj, here i am |
| 05:58.24 | Haohmaru | somiaj doesn't that give the same info? |
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| 05:59.58 | somiaj | Haohmaru: but it doens't spam the channel for something that is not part of a current support question. |
| 06:00.36 | Haohmaru | oh, sorry |
| 06:01.07 | Haohmaru | i was next going to ask how to install that onto my debian stretch, but i'm "googling" first |
| 06:01.27 | somiaj | Haohmaru: apt install libreoffice |
| 06:01.29 | Haohmaru | i need version 5.4.7 or newer, cuz previous versions have a severe bug |
| 06:01.49 | somiaj | !tell Haohmaru about stretch backports |
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| 06:03.09 | porcodio | e porcamadonna |
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| 06:04.44 | jelly | porcodio: gratuitous swearing in _any_ language is frowned upon; best keep your lines in here to tech support questions or answers |
| 06:05.34 | porcodio | No |
| 06:05.56 | deskdown | somiaj, what should i do with my init problem |
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| 06:09.17 | Haohmaru | hm, i can't install this thing from backports via synaptic? |
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| 06:10.46 | Haohmaru | is it generally a bad idea to install a newer version of something from this backports thing? |
| 06:11.00 | somiaj | sure, use synaptic, you still have to enable the repo in your sources.list |
| 06:11.10 | somiaj | unsure the details on how to use synaptic for this, as I don't use that tool |
| 06:11.27 | Haohmaru | i added the repository in synaptic already |
| 06:11.30 | somiaj | read the factoid the bot sent you, it clearly states that stretch-backports are newer packages built for stretch. |
| 06:11.49 | Haohmaru | yeah i read it, but i don't understand all of it |
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| 06:17.12 | jelly | Haohmaru: it's generally the best source to get newer stuff from if you absolutely need newer stuff than what's in your installed release |
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| 06:18.11 | jelly | ,v dehydrated |
| 06:18.12 | judd | Package: dehydrated on amd64 -- stretch: 0.3.1-3+deb9u1; jessie-backports: 0.3.1-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates: 0.3.1-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 0.6.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.6.2-1; sid: 0.6.2-1 |
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| 06:24.02 | Haohmaru | so synaptic seems to not show those packages.. i ran apt-get -t .. and it prints a wall of text, saying "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: .." amongst which i even see linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64, then at the end it says "32 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove, 91 not upgraded. ... 72.2MB of additional disk space.. do you want to continue?" |
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| 06:25.35 | Haohmaru | does that sound "okay" ? shall i hit "Y"? |
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| 06:26.10 | testuser | Hi all, I have a weird problem with an older debian machine here. I am running testing and the latest kernel installed is linux-image-4.16.0-1-686 which is pretty old. Could kernel updates be blocked somehow? I already checked apt-mark if there's something on hold but seems ok for me. Any idea what could be the problem here? |
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| 06:28.55 | Haohmaru | pressed Y |
| 06:28.59 | Haohmaru | :/ |
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| 06:33.09 | Haohmaru | btw, i forgot to mention i have the "normal" version of libreoffice already installed, so would the new one (from backports) replace it? |
| 06:34.33 | michael2 | Haohmaru: If you dont want those packages , yeah hit 'y" to remove. |
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| 06:35.15 | michael2 | to find out try: `apt-cache policy libreoffice' |
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| 06:35.31 | michael2 | or whatever the libreoffice packagename is |
| 06:35.38 | Haohmaru | i don't know whether i need them or not, they are so many and most of them are with weird names |
| 06:36.05 | michael2 | then you dont need them |
| 06:37.01 | Haohmaru | >:) |
| 06:37.38 | michael2 | they are orphaned packages, if you used aptitude it would have just removed them and not asked you - which is usuallywhat you want - occassionally you need something a bit more customized |
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| 06:38.07 | Haohmaru | michael2 i normally use synaptic |
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| 06:38.43 | michael2 | does synaptic auto-remove orphaned packages? |
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| 06:43.41 | Haohmaru | crap, while installing another package from backports, i ran out of space /o\ |
| 06:44.04 | Haohmaru | i freed some now, do i repeat the apt-get -t command? |
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| 06:52.58 | boris_t | anyone using kesex tools to wipe memory on shutdown with memtest86? |
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| 06:54.25 | Haohmaru | the only thing i'm finding via google is from the askubuntu website, suggesting to try "apt-get install -f" and then there's no reply |
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| 07:04.28 | Haohmaru | michael2 in synaptic there's a "Section" in it called "Installed (auto removable)", and i think it's those same packages.. but i think i see some which need, no idea why they are there |
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| 07:05.55 | michael2 | Haohmaru: what are you trying to do? |
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| 07:06.21 | Haohmaru | that was just replying to your previous question |
| 07:06.46 | michael2 | oh ok |
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| 07:07.22 | Haohmaru | i ran out of space while installing another package with apt-get -t, but i did some stuff according to some instructions on stackexchange.. apt-get clean, apt --fix-broken install |
| 07:07.49 | Haohmaru | now there's some free space, i'll retry installing the package |
| 07:08.41 | Haohmaru | in "autoremove" i see for example "xxkb" and i think this is the little program for turning ON numlock.. why is it in that list? |
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| 08:46.48 | user03 | hi, where should i put my bind zone files? |
| 08:50.07 | ikanobori | Isn't /var/lib/bind the default location for those on Debians? |
| 08:51.16 | user03 | ikanobori, yes maybe thank you |
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| 08:51.27 | Unit193 | /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz and the apparmor file are interesting reads on it. |
| 08:52.06 | user03 | thanks Unit193 |
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| 08:52.59 | jelly | user03: manually added? /etc/bind is okay |
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| 09:08.10 | stevendale | Hey ^^ |
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| 09:43.50 | afidegnum | 3 |
| 09:44.16 | afidegnum | hello, how do I check the list of available RAID disks? |
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| 09:49.23 | LTCD | Hey I'm at login screen, how can I open command line without logging in? |
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| 09:50.14 | iTeV | you cant |
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| 09:50.49 | p0g0 | That would be the point of logging in... |
| 09:50.57 | iTeV | ^ |
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| 09:51.52 | iTeV | I have a feeling that a) He lost his password b) He is trying to gain access on a machine that he is not "authorized" to use :^) |
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| 09:52.36 | ikanobori | LTCD: Reboot, at the grub prompt press any key; select your kernel you wish to boot and press e to edit it, on the line that says '/boot/vmlinuz' replace ro bla with rw init=/bin/bash |
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| 09:55.58 | LTCD | iTeV: Nah I am trying to encrypt home folder without being logged in. |
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| 09:56.15 | p0g0 | ransomwetware? |
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| 09:57.05 | LTCD | p0g0: Nope just safety |
| 09:57.19 | LTCD | ikanobori: Thanks |
| 09:57.30 | afidegnum | any answer ? |
| 09:58.11 | LTCD | afidegnum: Huh? |
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| 10:17.47 | pingfloyd | so why not just do that as root? |
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| 10:29.16 | afidegnum | hello, how do I check the list of available RAID disks? |
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| 10:32.57 | epsilon | cat /proc/mdstat shows you current state and disks in raid |
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| 10:34.51 | epsilon | if you want to scan, mdadm --scan --detail |
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| 10:37.20 | petn-randall | afidegnum: What kind of RAID? There are many. |
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| 11:31.27 | LTCD | When I logged into Debian ecryptfs used to decrypt my homefolder, but since I changed that user's password it does not. How do I use this command to change the passphrase as I do not understand the documentation? ecryptfs-rewrap-passphrase |
| 11:34.26 | petn-randall | LTCD: You're still in the wrong channel. |
| 11:35.47 | Ool | LTCD: https://askubuntu.com/questions/411702/ubuntu-12-04-keyring-broken-signature-not-found-in-user-keyring-perhaps-try-the/439290#439290 did you try this ? |
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| 11:36.41 | michael2 | Im following the wiki guide for "Manually copying installer files to installer USB - the flexible way" and Im at this point here: |
| 11:36.43 | michael2 | https://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#idp71298176 |
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| 11:37.18 | michael2 | I have syslinux installed and setup to start the kernel |
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| 11:39.06 | michael2 | but I dont understand how the kernel then starts the debian installer and what files I need to have in the boot directory which actually comprise the installer? |
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| 11:40.34 | rmrfchik | hi |
| 11:40.57 | LTCD | Ool: Thanks. |
| 11:41.06 | LTCD | Ool: So the new password has to be in that file? |
| 11:41.25 | rmrfchik | I want to watch specific dir and start application when new file appears |
| 11:42.05 | michael2 | in a normal/full OS the kernel starts pid 1. I assume you either replace pid1 with the debian installer or you explicitly set the kernel into a "boot" mode - possilbly as a command line parameter? |
| 11:42.25 | michael2 | rmrfchik: sounds like inotify might be useful to you |
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| 11:43.50 | rmrfchik | michael2, nice. I didn't said I need cli solution :) just to start torrent |
| 11:44.07 | Ool | LTCD: I don't know, long time I not use ecryptfs, but you can check the file before run the command |
| 11:44.18 | rmrfchik | ahh, inofify-tools |
| 11:44.20 | LTCD | ok |
| 11:44.22 | petn-randall | LTCD, Ool, if you want to continue the support, please do so in the kali linux support channel. |
| 11:44.40 | petn-randall | LTCD: You've been told several times to move to the right channel. Please respect that. |
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| 11:44.47 | LTCD | petn-randall: This time it's not for Kali though |
| 11:45.18 | Ool | petn-randall: why ? How can I know is about Kali and not debian ? |
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| 11:46.02 | petn-randall | Ool: Because LTCD was here yesterday, where we had this same discussion. They were using Kali. |
| 11:46.21 | LTCD | petn-randall: I was using it as a desktop OS (stupid I know). |
| 11:46.34 | petn-randall | LTCD: Can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy ecryptfs-utils' to https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 11:47.12 | LTCD | petn-randall: Not really as I am about to go for lunch, the Kali channel sucks at OS questions, and the unwrap command seems easy enough. |
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| 12:02.02 | Nothing4You | i'm having issues with my network configuration |
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| 12:02.28 | Nothing4You | i'm using dhcp configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:03.19 | Nothing4You | when booting i can see systemd reaching target "Network is online" even though i haven't received the dhcp response yet |
| 12:03.53 | Nothing4You | the dhcp response is further down in the journal |
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| 12:04.26 | Nothing4You | this causes services that require network (After=network.target) to fail at startup |
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| 12:05.41 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: That's unusual, normally ifupdown blocks until the network is up. Can you share your config from /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 12:06.25 | Nothing4You | pretty basic: allow-hotplug ens33; iface ens33 inet dhcp |
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| 12:07.27 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: That doesn't bring any interface up at all. |
| 12:07.33 | Nothing4You | it's in 2 lines |
| 12:07.38 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: Can you paste the complete config to https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 12:08.30 | Nothing4You | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e56e137a |
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| 12:08.33 | Nothing4You | petn-randall |
| 12:09.00 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: Try using 'auto ens33' instead of 'allow-hotplug ens33'. |
| 12:09.24 | Nothing4You | trying |
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| 12:11.48 | Nothing4You | that seems to have fixed that |
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| 12:12.28 | petn-randall | yay \o/ |
| 12:13.28 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: The documentation could be clearer on that, indeed. Basically 'allow-hotplug' means 'bring it up when you see it', and since a system shouldn't block during boot for a device that may never be there, it just boots through. |
| 12:13.44 | Nothing4You | i guess i need to add a sed to my preseed |
| 12:15.37 | Nothing4You | thanks petn-randall |
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| 12:17.41 | petn-randall | Nothing4You: You're welcome! Glad we found the bug so quickly. |
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| 12:24.17 | Billy2 | anyone know if anything specific in sudo or screen changed in Debian 9? Having an issue that is just happening on Debian 9 machines that doesn't happen on lower versions or any other distro |
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| 12:24.46 | jelly | Billy2: what kind of issue? |
| 12:24.54 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:24.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:26.22 | Billy2 | basically I have a java app that calls commands like "sudo -u username -H /bin/bash -c screen -list", the commands don't return properly when ran from java and it doesn't appear to be throwing any errors |
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| 12:27.29 | jelly | Billy2: and what's the stdout and stderr of that command say? |
| 12:27.37 | Nothing4You | Billy2: not return or return with error? |
| 12:27.45 | jelly | nothing, just quiet? |
| 12:27.46 | Billy2 | thats the thing, I'm not getting anything back |
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| 12:27.58 | jelly | which exit status? |
| 12:27.58 | Nothing4You | Billy2: maybe it's asking for a password? |
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| 12:30.18 | Billy2 | Nothing4You it shouldn't be, if i run the same command from putty as root it works and at the moment the java app is running as root |
| 12:30.26 | Billy2 | jelly.. working on getting the exit status |
| 12:30.51 | Billy2 | just odd that its very specific to debian 9 |
| 12:32.20 | jelly | if I had to take a wild-add guess, I'd look at requiretty (man sudoers) |
| 12:32.35 | jelly | s/add/ass/ |
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| 12:32.47 | Nothing4You | isn't that disabled by default on deb9? |
| 12:33.40 | jelly | on fresh installations |
| 12:33.49 | Nothing4You | that's what i meant |
| 12:34.31 | Billy2 | all dozen machines i've tested on were fresh installs and requiretty is disabled |
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| 12:36.29 | jelly | Billy2: until you get useful results from sudo invocation inside app, take a look at /var/log/auth.log and see what sudo is running, if anything |
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| 12:44.56 | tw | Billy2: another wildass guess, try reading the output byte by byte instead of buffered. |
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| 12:55.15 | wrksx | Shitting my pants, need to upgrade a server to linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64/stable 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 |
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| 12:55.49 | wrksx | I hate these kernel update |
| 12:56.18 | colo-work | nothing bad will happen. |
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| 12:57.35 | wrksx | I really need to find a way to test these before upgrading a live server |
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| 12:59.19 | wrksx | How do you guys deal with this? |
| 13:00.20 | babilen | test server(s)/deployment(s) |
| 13:00.39 | babilen | But you can not, by definition, test the upgrade itself |
| 13:00.46 | babilen | (only comparable ones) |
| 13:00.51 | wrksx | yeah |
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| 13:01.08 | wrksx | Is it testable using docker? |
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| 13:04.01 | babilen | wrksx: Docker doesn't help with tests of Kernel upgrades |
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| 13:04.57 | wrksx | babilen, would you have any recommendation on a virtualization system to test kernel upgrade ? |
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| 13:06.16 | babilen | kvm, xen, virtualbox ... would all work |
| 13:06.53 | babilen | You might also want to look into techniques such as "blue green deployment" or "canary deployment" |
| 13:07.10 | babilen | k8s might come in handy too if you already have a bunch of dockerised services |
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| 13:08.02 | wrksx | Actually I don't but I wanted to experiment with docker and I thought, maybe I can use that |
| 13:08.35 | wrksx | babilen, I'll read about blue green and canary deployment, never heard about these. |
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| 13:09.08 | wrksx | babilen, thx for the insights |
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| 13:18.08 | Thedarkb-X40 | Hi, I'm trying to install SparkyLinux, which is based on Debian, but I can't get past the grub menu |
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| 13:18.11 | Thedarkb-X40 | It just loops. |
| 13:18.16 | Thedarkb-X40 | Back to the menu |
| 13:18.32 | Thedarkb-X40 | It doesn't load intrd.img |
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| 13:19.35 | petn-randall | !sparkylinux |
| 13:19.36 | dpkg | SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>. |
| 13:20.05 | petn-randall | Thedarkb-X40: ^^^ it's not supported here, if you find an IRC channel for it, let us know, so we can update the factoid. |
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| 13:21.14 | Thedarkb-X40 | petn-randall, Unfortunately, they have no channel |
| 13:21.16 | babilen | Also try installing Debian - it might just work |
| 13:21.34 | Thedarkb-X40 | Nah, for some reason Debian won't co-operate with my WiFi card |
| 13:21.40 | Thedarkb-X40 | Every other distro will. |
| 13:21.45 | babilen | You might need firmware |
| 13:21.48 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
| 13:21.48 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 13:21.49 | Thedarkb-X40 | The only message I get is "link not ready" |
| 13:21.58 | Thedarkb-X40 | I had the firmware, I had the drivers. |
| 13:22.00 | babilen | Which adapter is it? |
| 13:22.08 | Thedarkb-X40 | ipw2200 I think. |
| 13:22.21 | Thedarkb-X40 | 2200BG Calexico 2 |
| 13:22.22 | babilen | That should work just fine (if you have the firmware) |
| 13:22.25 | Thedarkb-X40 | It should |
| 13:22.28 | Thedarkb-X40 | But it won't. |
| 13:22.29 | babilen | In fact I've used many boxes with that chipset |
| 13:22.37 | Thedarkb-X40 | And no one in this IRC channel could tell me why. |
| 13:22.46 | Thedarkb-X40 | and dmesg just says "link not ready" |
| 13:22.47 | babilen | pity |
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| 13:22.55 | Thedarkb-X40 | There's no hardware WiFi switch on the machine either. |
| 13:23.12 | Thedarkb-X40 | rfkill is softblocking it, but unblocking it doesn't change anything. |
| 13:23.15 | babilen | Maybe it's the "if (user == Thedarkb-X40) { fail ; }" code you're running into |
| 13:24.13 | Thedarkb-X40 | Seems that way |
| 13:24.17 | wrksx | what an evil code |
| 13:24.18 | Thedarkb-X40 | I never get any error messages. |
| 13:24.35 | Thedarkb-X40 | I've tried it on two machines with the same card and the same thing happens. |
| 13:24.47 | Thedarkb-X40 | Seems Centrino machines are dirt cheap and common now |
| 13:24.51 | Thedarkb-X40 | I paid a fiver for this one. |
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| 13:29.59 | lorde | I've got an old laptop with 2200 series Intel Wifi card, and it worked after I had installed the firmware package |
| 13:30.09 | domovoy_ | so, i'm writing a script that should be able to search/download packages from other sources than the ones in /etc/apt/sources.list(.d). I've create an apt.conf like this: https://pastebin.com/s4WZ6vpK , added the gpg keys, and created the missing directories/files. 'apt-get -c apt.conf update' seems to do its job, but 'apt-cache -c apt.conf search package' never gives me anything. Any idea? |
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| 13:31.37 | alkisg | I'm maintaining a package and I want to note somewhere "why I have each dependency in debian/control". Where's a good place for that? E.g. debian/README.md? Or inline in comments in debian/control? |
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| 13:34.36 | wrksx | Is this possible to install debian (stretch) with an older kernel than the latest ? |
| 13:34.53 | wrksx | I mean, I'm sure there's a way, but how would that be done ? |
| 13:35.35 | alkisg | How old? |
| 13:35.46 | wrksx | few feeks I guess |
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| 13:36.23 | alkisg | So is it just a question of "where to find an older kernel so that you install it after normal debian installation"? |
| 13:36.51 | wrksx | actually I'd like to install the older one to then test the upgrade to the new one |
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| 13:37.52 | alkisg | ...what does "kernel upgrade" mean in this context? You can remove the new package and reinstall it if you want to test that |
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| 13:38.16 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
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| 13:38.49 | wrksx | alkisg, I'm always scared to upgrade linux-image so I want to test that on another (virtual) machine |
| 13:38.57 | NapoleonWils0n | when i used sytemctl suspend the screen always locks up |
| 13:39.12 | alkisg | wrksx: you do know that you can install 10 kernels and select the one you want from the grub menu, right? |
| 13:39.34 | alkisg | wrksx: i.e. nothing to be scared of; you can just use the old one if the new has issues etc |
| 13:39.41 | wrksx | alkisg, I'm talking about a remote server |
| 13:40.02 | wrksx | I've been burnt once my box would boot anymore |
| 13:40.12 | wrksx | wouldn't |
| 13:40.12 | alkisg | I can't see how that matters; if a kernel hangs, it'll hang either on "ugprade" or in a "multiple kernels" scenario |
| 13:40.31 | NapoleonWils0n | deos dpms interfer with systemctl suspend |
| 13:40.38 | alkisg | In both cases, you'll need to select another kernel from the grub menu |
| 13:41.04 | wrksx | alkisg, not sure I understand what you mean. If I upgrade a distant server and it doesn't boot, then I'm screwed |
| 13:41.23 | alkisg | wrksx: and how is that different if you "upgrade the kernel and it doesn't boot"? |
| 13:41.48 | alkisg | (04:36:51 μμ) wrksx: actually I'd like to install the older one to then test the upgrade to the new one ==> i.e. after that "test", what if it doesn't boot? |
| 13:42.18 | wrksx | alkisg, I'll run the test on another server |
| 13:42.28 | wrksx | first going to test using a virtual machine |
| 13:42.41 | alkisg | You can run the same test in any case, either "upgrading" or "installing multiple kernels" |
| 13:42.57 | alkisg | I can't see why "upgrade" is different from "installing multiple kernels" in the cases that you mention |
| 13:44.50 | wrksx | alkisg, because if the system is installed with a newer kernel, then downgrade then upgrade, it's not the same as install with an older kernel then upgrade, is it ? |
| 13:44.59 | wrksx | maybe I'm not understanding this well |
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| 13:45.17 | alkisg | The only thing that changes in what you said, is just the "default kernel". Both kernels are available, so no big difference. |
| 13:45.31 | alkisg | You can easily set the "default kernel" that you want with grub-set-default |
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| 13:48.42 | wrksx | alkisg, yeah the more I think about it the more I think my issue (long ago) was not really linked to the kernel update |
| 13:49.10 | wrksx | alkisg, actually I think it was during an upgrade to a newer debian version. That would make more sense |
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| 13:49.23 | alkisg | wrksx: sure, that would matter |
| 13:49.47 | wrksx | Thanks for chatting |
| 13:49.58 | alkisg | np |
| 13:50.21 | wrksx | How would I install and select an older kernel then ? just apt install it and grub-set-default ? |
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| 13:52.31 | NapoleonWils0n | anyone use gnome was thinking about having a look |
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| 13:53.15 | jhutchins_wk | NapoleonWils0n: Nah, nobody uses gnome. |
| 13:53.52 | NapoleonWils0n | i use i3wm, but always had a problem with the screen locking after suspend or lid close |
| 13:54.12 | NapoleonWils0n | which is a pain on a laptop |
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| 13:54.49 | wrksx | so debian for 64 bit is called amd64 |
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| 13:57.49 | babilen | dpkg: why amd64 |
| 13:57.49 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
| 13:57.53 | stevendale | Yeah wrksx :D |
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| 13:58.35 | wrksx | babilen, I think that makes me doubt on every debian install I make (which is not so frequent I admit =) |
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| 14:01.16 | lone-wolf | I put this code in init.d named to wireshark and after give permittions ann run update-rc.d but dont work. https://pastebin.com/a9Kj7H90 |
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| 14:08.30 | petn-randall | lone-wolf: Right. That's not an init script at all. You need to understand how init script works, and then write it properly. |
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| 14:09.36 | lone-wolf | petn-randall: Ok. |
| 14:09.45 | lone-wolf | Thank you. |
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| 14:11.34 | jelly | does rc.local still work? |
| 14:11.44 | jelly | !rc.local |
| 14:11.44 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd> |
| 14:12.04 | lone-wolf | jelly In my system dont there this file. |
| 14:12.18 | greycat | If you create it, it will be used, unless you changed something. |
| 14:12.29 | petn-randall | lone-wolf: But maybe even an init script is the wrong tool for your issue. What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 14:12.30 | jelly | lone-wolf: that's why the bot just said "in stretch you need to create it." |
| 14:12.32 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 14:12.32 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 14:12.36 | petn-randall | lone-wolf: ^^^ |
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| 14:14.04 | lone-wolf | petn-randall: I want run wireshark with root in start. |
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| 14:17.21 | lone-wolf | petn--randall: I dont need use init.d? |
| 14:18.46 | jelly | tshark or the GUI? |
| 14:18.54 | lone-wolf | GUI |
| 14:19.11 | jelly | they you need a GUI environment, possibly with autologin |
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| 14:19.25 | wrksx | does 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 mean 4.9.88-1 patched ? |
| 14:19.54 | jhutchins_wk | wrksx: Intel developed their own 64B architecture, but it was not backwards-compatible with 64B code. AMD got tired of waiting and developed their own better design, and Intel licensed it from them. |
| 14:20.12 | jhutchins_wk | Not backwards compatible with 32B code. More coffee. |
| 14:20.43 | wrksx | So it's well named =) |
| 14:20.44 | lone-wolf | jelly What's GUI environment: |
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| 14:20.49 | lone-wolf | ? |
| 14:21.21 | jelly | lone-wolf: that thing that appears when you log in at the console, with mouse and windows and apps |
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| 14:22.45 | donofrio_ | what is the most recent release that I can run on my platform https://tinyurl.com/donofriog5inxi ? yes it's ubuntu 16.04 now but that is 2.5 years old now....any suggestiions |
| 14:22.46 | lone-wolf | jelly: Dont understand, but i use lxde. |
| 14:23.09 | greycat | LXDE is definitely a GUI environment (desktop environment) |
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| 14:25.29 | lone-wolf | I run this command bash -c "gksu /usr/bin/wireshark" for run wireshark in GUI with root. |
| 14:25.55 | lone-wolf | but i need run wirershark in start for linux |
| 14:25.58 | lone-wolf | in init.d |
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| 14:26.40 | somiaj | write a systemd unit file |
| 14:26.53 | petn-randall | lone-wolf: Then add it to autostart in your lxde session. init knows nothing about running X servers, so it would fail to start the tool. |
| 14:27.20 | wrksx | after linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64/stable 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 has been released, |
| 14:27.20 | somiaj | oh this requires a gui, then yea, write a .desktop file and put it in the autostart dir. |
| 14:27.32 | wrksx | linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64/stable 4.9.88-1 is not available anymore on the repo, is it ? |
| 14:27.35 | lone-wolf | petn-randall: i already mnake this, but it dont run gksu command, only wireshark. |
| 14:27.41 | greycat | Is this "wireshark" a program that displays information to a human being, or is it a server process that accumulates data into a file, or what? |
| 14:27.58 | jhutchins_wk | Wireshark can also be used to examine a tcpdump file that can be done in a console. |
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| 14:28.32 | greycat | !tell wrksx about snapshot |
| 14:28.37 | petn-randall | greycat: It's a packet sniffing tool with a GUI and buttons to click and everything. |
| 14:28.56 | greycat | Oh, then running it from rc.local or init.d or systemd-at-boot would be impossible. |
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| 14:29.42 | lone-wolf | Hmm. |
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| 14:30.07 | lone-wolf | There other way? |
| 14:30.17 | greycat | Configure it in your desktop environment's startup. |
| 14:30.31 | greycat | Which may or may not also be your X session startup. I know nothing about LXDE. |
| 14:31.12 | lone-wolf | greycat: In /home/lonewolf/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart ? |
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| 14:32.39 | greycat | As I said, I don't know how LXDE does it. |
| 14:34.00 | lone-wolf | autostart don't run command root for exemplo sudo ou gksu I don't know why. |
| 14:34.18 | jhutchins_wk | lone-wolf: What are you trying to see with it? |
| 14:34.50 | lone-wolf | I want run wireshark with root. |
| 14:35.01 | lone-wolf | In start from linux. |
| 14:35.16 | greycat | No, NOT at "start from linux". At login. |
| 14:35.33 | jelly | lone-wolf: you'll have to configure sudo to let you run the desired command without password entry |
| 14:35.40 | somiaj | lxde and most desktops just require a .desktop file being placed in some dir in $HOMe |
| 14:35.49 | somiaj | there is an standard autostart dir there. |
| 14:36.25 | jelly | also. wireshark GUI shouldn't run as root; it's better to tell it to use a separate small sniffer and run the GUI as normal user |
| 14:36.30 | jhutchins_wk | lone-wolf: If you want to capture networ traffic from when the network comes up you need to use tcpdump, not wireshark. tcpdump output can be directed to a file, which you can then exmine with wireshark, |
| 14:36.36 | lone-wolf | jelly: I already configure in /etc/sudoers. |
| 14:36.38 | jhutchins_wk | lone-wolf: What are you looking for? |
| 14:36.44 | jhutchins_wk | !br |
| 14:36.44 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:36.48 | jelly | lone-wolf: with NOPASSWD? |
| 14:36.58 | lone-wolf | yes. |
| 14:37.12 | jelly | and that works when you try it from a terminal? |
| 14:38.29 | lone-wolf | jelly When I put the command in terminal it run without password, but in autostart the gksu dont work. |
| 14:38.37 | greycat | don't use gksu. use sudo. |
| 14:38.42 | greycat | just like you did in the terminal. |
| 14:39.02 | lone-wolf | also does not work |
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| 14:42.12 | jelly | you'll have to look at ~/.Xsession-errors to see why it failed to work |
| 14:44.01 | lorde | Why is there a need to use sudo in that situation? |
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| 14:44.36 | lorde | Isn't there a special group you can add a user to in order for that user to be able to capture traffic from interfaces? |
| 14:44.56 | lorde | I forgot the name of the group |
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| 14:46.28 | lorde | Just google 'debian wireshark group' - it's going to give you the solution you need, I believe |
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| 14:46.52 | lorde | Without horrible NOPASSWD solutions |
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| 14:47.22 | petn-randall | Yes, adding your user to the wireshark group is all you need to capture with wireshark. |
| 14:47.29 | petn-randall | No need to run it all with root. |
| 14:48.04 | themill | (also gksu is going away and sudo tends to be problematic; pkexec is thew new toy) |
| 14:48.32 | lorde | Why is sudo problematic? |
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| 14:49.27 | somiaj | lorde: it doesn't fully understand x enviroments. |
| 14:49.30 | themill | you've got to do an xauth dance and/or you can end up with root owning your .Xauthority when then becomes a problem |
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| 14:49.53 | themill | it also needs a controlling terminal |
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| 14:52.08 | uzivatel | Hi guys, i want to use Debsums according to this howto https://wiki.debian.org/CheckingDebsums , but i have no idea what is it. Is it a script, how to enter those commands in terminal? thanks |
| 14:52.21 | greycat | ,info debsums |
| 14:52.22 | judd | Package debsums (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: tool for verification of installed package files against MD5 checksums. Version: 2.2.2; Size: 48.3k; Installed: 120k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/debsums |
| 14:52.58 | themill | none of that is needed any more |
| 14:53.03 | lorde | somiaj: it's not supposed to be aware of X environments, there's PackageKit for that purpose, if I'm not mistaken |
| 14:53.40 | greycat | Can we all just agree that the fundamental CONCEPT of "running an X client application as root, while logged in as a normal user" is broken and stupid? |
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| 14:56.29 | themill | dpkg: tell uzivatel about debsums |
| 14:56.55 | jelly | greycat: which is why wireshark has a small helper sniffer, with either setiud or setcap just to be able to promisc mode and sniff |
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| 14:58.14 | jelly | how does pkexec work with remote X11, say forwarding I hear you ask? |
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| 14:59.18 | themill | nfc |
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| 15:01.01 | uzivatel | judd:i understand what it is, i mean how to use it following the instructions on that page? Following the steps ? |
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| 15:04.05 | jelly | uzivatel: uh, you pretty much just run it |
| 15:04.47 | themill | uzivatel: you ignore that out of date wiki page |
| 15:06.18 | uzivatel | themill: So how can i scan system from live-debian using debsums? |
| 15:07.00 | petn-randall | uzivatel: You chroot into it, and just run it. |
| 15:07.38 | petn-randall | uzivatel: Note that it *only* helps detecting corruption, not any manipulation on purpose, since the debsums are saves on the same machine as the host. |
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| 15:14.07 | uzivatel | petn-randall: In case my system was attacked, is there any way how to detect infected programs or files from livecd? |
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| 15:19.37 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
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| 15:20.34 | petn-randall | uzivatel: Not in any practical sense. You'd have to run debsums from the live cd, with the debsums file of each from from a clean source, against the infected machine. And it doesn't do that out of the box. |
| 15:20.51 | ychaouche | I need to make one php script run some shell script via sudo but I can't figure out how to allow it to do so, and I don't have enough visibilty about what could cause the error I'm getting on the httpd logswhic says : [23-May-2018 16:16:07 +0100]: <0eu6q9qk> PHP Error: Password plugin: Unable to execute sudo ls -lrt in /var/www/roundcubemail-1.2.4/plugins/password/drivers/changepassword.php on line 55 (POST /?_task=settings&_action=plugin.password-save) |
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| 15:21.11 | greycat | *shudder* |
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| 15:21.37 | petn-randall | ychaouche: just no. |
| 15:21.50 | ychaouche | In this example I'm just trying to run sudo ls -lrt from the php script but it just says unable to execute. |
| 15:21.55 | greycat | "just" |
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| 15:22.40 | ychaouche | petn-randall: any alternatives to getting a root-owned bash script somewhere in /root/ ran by php ? |
| 15:22.54 | ychaouche | s/alternatives/suggestions/ |
| 15:23.08 | greycat | Stop thinking that you should run a shell script from a PHP program. Stop thinking that you should be raising privileges in a program invoked from a web environment. |
| 15:23.09 | ychaouche | and probably run* |
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| 15:23.30 | SerajewelKS | inb4 "it's okay i know what i'm doing" |
| 15:23.34 | greycat | Stop thinking that you should be exracting the filenames from a directory by running ls, EVER, IN ANY CONTEXT, PERIOD. |
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| 15:23.42 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
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| 15:23.53 | ychaouche | greycat: ls is not what I want, it's just an example |
| 15:24.05 | SerajewelKS | this sounds like an XY problem |
| 15:24.07 | greycat | /msg greybot b9 |
| 15:24.12 | SerajewelKS | take a step back and tell us what you're trying to accomplish |
| 15:24.19 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:24.19 | SerajewelKS | not "run a script from PHP" |
| 15:24.39 | SerajewelKS | you think you need to do that to accomplish something. what is that something? |
| 15:25.13 | FinalX | wait... you're not only letting PHP execute shell commands, you're letting PHP execute shell commands as root (sudo) ánd you don't know what you're doing so you're coming to ask here? am I the only one who thinks this is a major disaster waiting to happen? (judging by greycat's response.. probably not..) |
| 15:25.14 | greycat | dpkg, example is <reply>All examples given by the questioner will be broken, misleading, wrong, incomplete, and/or not representative of the actual question. |
| 15:25.15 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 15:25.18 | ychaouche | SerajewelKS: I want to make sure passwords are strong enough before letting users change their passwords via their webmail which is roundcube. |
| 15:26.24 | ychaouche | SerajewelKS: roundcube has a password plugin that can be configured in many ways to allow users to change their passwords via the web interface, one of the ways is to let you call an arbitrary command or shell script of your choice, by implementing your own "password driver" in the form of custom PHP code |
| 15:26.42 | FinalX | ... sure, what could possibly go wrong |
| 15:26.49 | jelly | ychaouche: why not use a service like poppassd |
| 15:26.51 | SerajewelKS | ychaouche: okay so, are these users system users? |
| 15:26.59 | SerajewelKS | and if so, why are they system users instead of virtual users? |
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| 15:27.08 | ychaouche | SerajewelKS: no, they are virtual users |
| 15:27.15 | jelly | SerajewelKS: why wouldn't they be system users? |
| 15:27.19 | SerajewelKS | okay so.... *why* do you need to run this as root? |
| 15:27.25 | uzivatel | petn-randall: Thanks for info |
| 15:27.37 | FinalX | and why an ls if you're going to change passwords..? |
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| 15:27.45 | ychaouche | SerajewelKS: because the scripts are in /root/ |
| 15:27.52 | SerajewelKS | ychaouche: so? |
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| 15:28.00 | ychaouche | FinalX: ls was just an example, I don't want to run ls |
| 15:28.02 | SerajewelKS | do they need root privileges to run? |
| 15:28.58 | ychaouche | I don't think so, it only needs to connect to the database with a specific mysql user |
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| 15:29.04 | FinalX | well, you seem to know nothing about filesystem permissions, and not much about doing things safely in PHP, or safely in general.. I would highly recommend reviewing what you're doing before you're doing it. especially on a webmail instance that's gonna be (semi-)public (I'm sure you're not the only user). This is a disaster waiting to happen, for all of your users that you have a responsibility to. |
| 15:29.07 | SerajewelKS | jelly: using system users for users who only need access to mail generally strikes me as a bad idea. then you need extra config to disable ssh for them, etc. if they only need access to mail, they don't need to be in /etc/passwd |
| 15:29.09 | jelly | depending on how the user and password database implemented, changing a password might not require running anything as root |
| 15:29.18 | SerajewelKS | ychaouche: okay so. why do you need sudo? |
| 15:29.38 | jelly | SerajewelKS: being able to breach one process and gain access to ALL users' mail strikes me as a bad idea |
| 15:29.42 | SerajewelKS | ychaouche: presumably your PHP scripts already have the requisite permission to get the database credentials |
| 15:30.09 | SerajewelKS | jelly: indeed. it's a trade-off. |
| 15:30.12 | ychaouche | I don't access the database from PHP, I do it from shell scripts. |
| 15:30.20 | jelly | also, I like filesystem quotas |
| 15:30.21 | SerajewelKS | ychaouche: right. either way. |
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| 15:30.31 | SerajewelKS | ychaouche: i see nothing here that requires sudo |
| 15:30.36 | ychaouche | yes probably |
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| 15:34.36 | ychaouche | how do I execute a script as www-data ? |
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| 15:34.41 | ychaouche | from command line |
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| 15:35.13 | ychaouche | root@messagerie[10.10.10.20] ~/SCRIPTS/MAIL # su www-data -c ls -l |
| 15:35.14 | ychaouche | This account is currently not available. |
| 15:35.16 | ychaouche | root@messagerie[10.10.10.20] ~/SCRIPTS/MAIL # |
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| 15:36.24 | ychaouche | SerajewelKS: if you were, where would you put the scripts ? (path) |
| 15:36.25 | SerajewelKS | ychaouche: PHP is ostensibly already running as www-data |
| 15:36.41 | ychaouche | if you were me* |
| 15:37.09 | ychaouche | my mail admin scripts are in /root/SCRIPTS/MAIL, I need to change their location so that www-data can access and execute them. |
| 15:37.25 | ychaouche | or any other user for that matter |
| 15:37.28 | SerajewelKS | ychaouche: you only need to move them if /root isn't readable by www-data |
| 15:37.43 | SerajewelKS | there is always /usr/local |
| 15:37.48 | ychaouche | hum |
| 15:40.16 | lorde | ychaouche: if a user uses nologin shell, the way to run programs as that user is 'sudo -u $user $program' |
| 15:40.42 | ychaouche | thank you good lorde |
| 15:41.18 | jelly | or su - user -s /bin/bash -c 'something to run' |
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| 15:56.38 | lorde | jelly: I think that won't work if you're not root and the user has no password set |
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| 16:07.29 | gordonthegopher | Anyone using the get-iplayer snap on Stretch? |
| 16:07.36 | gordonthegopher | I can't get it to work |
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| 16:08.12 | gordonthegopher | It throws "bash: get-iplayer: command not found" |
| 16:08.25 | gordonthegopher | It's listed as installed when I run sudo snap list |
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| 16:09.24 | jhutchins_wk | gordonthegopher: Maybe the binary is named differently, use dpkg -l get-iplayer to see what it installed. |
| 16:09.26 | coisweb | hey guys how can i kill all process in nohup ? |
| 16:09.43 | jhutchins_wk | gordonthegopher: Sorry, -L (uppercase). |
| 16:10.25 | gordonthegopher | It says not installed, but if it's a snap rather than a deb, would it show up that way? |
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| 16:10.34 | gordonthegopher | I installed the Spotify Snap and that works fine |
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| 16:12.16 | jelly | lorde: try it |
| 16:12.39 | jelly | of course it won't work as not root, duh |
| 16:12.57 | jhutchins_wk | gordonthegopher: snap should have a way to list components. man snap? |
| 16:13.24 | lorde | jelly: while 'sudo -u $user' will if you configure it properly |
| 16:14.11 | jelly | coisweb: just kill them by pid, what's the issue? |
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| 16:14.49 | feynhat | hello |
| 16:14.59 | themill | gordonthegopher: _ not - |
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| 16:15.36 | feynhat | i am using xfce. Does anyone know how I can see what command is executed by an entry in the application launcher? |
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| 16:21.37 | jhutchins_wk | feynhat: https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu |
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| 16:26.12 | jhutchins_wk | feynhat: Doesn't directly answer your question, but it does describe where the entries come from and how to see what's in them. |
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| 16:26.40 | feynhat | jhutchins_wk: Thanks. |
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| 16:40.32 | gordonthegopher | get-iplayer and get_iplayer both throw "bash: command not found" |
| 16:40.47 | gordonthegopher | When I try to manuall add a snap alias it says it can't be found |
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| 16:42.38 | hypn0 | did you install the debs, they are installed in lxde already |
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| 16:43.03 | hypn0 | no, that's youtube-dl :-) |
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| 16:44.33 | gordonthegopher | Ah got get-iplayer working. Have to pass "snap run get-iplayer <options> <URL> |
| 16:45.17 | hypn0 | you installed ffmpeg? |
| 16:45.52 | babilen | gordonthegopher: In the end its just a script you can grab directly and place in your path. You find it at https://raw.github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/master/get_iplayer |
| 16:46.00 | babilen | No need for snaps or any overhead |
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| 16:47.06 | hassoon | hi |
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| 16:47.55 | gordonthegopher | I wasn't interested in the deb |
| 16:48.04 | babilen | Which deb? |
| 16:48.10 | hypn0 | I was wondering what snaps was |
| 16:48.11 | gordonthegopher | I hate snaps, but I feel like a lot of devs are going to adopt them so doing dry runs in a VM |
| 16:48.35 | gordonthegopher | You can manually install dependencies then copy the binary to /usr/bin |
| 16:48.46 | gordonthegopher | But I feel like the maintainers will drop support for that soon |
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| 16:50.26 | hypn0 | Canonical describes Snap as a universal Linux package which can work on any distribution. up to no good again :-) |
| 16:50.39 | babilen | Well, I suggested to just grab the script directly and place it in your $PATH |
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| 16:51.47 | gordonthegopher | I know about the script method, but as I say, I feel like devs are going to widely adopt snap even though it is a security mess |
| 16:52.00 | gordonthegopher | So I am getting familiar with them in a Stretch VM |
| 16:52.18 | gordonthegopher | Cryptomator is another program I use that is flirting with going snappy only |
| 16:52.51 | hypn0 | but you don't need snap package, get-iplayer is just a script |
| 16:53.15 | gordonthegopher | The concept is great and awful. No dependency hell, but bloaty installs and Windows like automatic updates |
| 16:53.53 | hypn0 | what happened to https://appimage.org/ , they always got to do another version :-/ |
| 16:54.07 | gordonthegopher | Script plus following dependencies: libwww-perl liblwp-protocol-https-perl libmojolicious-perl libxml-libxml-perl libcgi-pm-perl atomicparsley ffmpeg |
| 16:54.48 | gordonthegopher | On this Debian VM I have the backports and MX17 repos enabled to cherry pick newer packages without running testing or unstable |
| 16:54.58 | gordonthegopher | (using APT pinning) |
| 16:55.21 | hypn0 | you probably have dependency missing |
| 16:55.36 | gordonthegopher | No you misunderstand |
| 16:55.41 | gordonthegopher | It's working now |
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| 16:55.48 | gordonthegopher | The snap package bundles all the dependencies |
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| 16:56.02 | hypn0 | now you just need a tv license :-) |
| 16:56.10 | gordonthegopher | My issue was that bash doesn't recognise the alias "get-iplayer" unless you pass "run" as well |
| 16:56.31 | gordonthegopher | This is different to Solus and Ubuntu where it runs with just get-iplayer |
| 16:56.36 | gordonthegopher | or get_iplayer |
| 16:58.24 | gordonthegopher | I prefer debs and repos and maintainers but apparently this is a diminishing opinion |
| 16:59.04 | gordonthegopher | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/05/ubuntu-snap-malware |
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| 16:59.39 | gordonthegopher | Canonical's response is "but sandboxing". Mmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:00.03 | bitess | snaps are not checked. you have to trust the publisher. |
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| 17:03.18 | hypn0 | aren't appimages the same |
| 17:03.56 | hypn0 | they are just staticly linked packages aren't they |
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| 17:06.21 | bitess | not statically linked, but it includes all libs it needs to run. |
| 17:06.53 | hypn0 | isn't that statically linked :-/ |
| 17:07.42 | bitess | static linking is something you do at compile time. appimages can bring dynamically linked libs if needed. |
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| 17:08.12 | hypn0 | oh |
| 17:08.14 | bitess | but everything is put in one file after all :P |
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| 17:09.50 | hypn0 | if everything was statically linked, every package would work everywhere, would be much better, you just download what you want |
| 17:10.29 | rudi_s | Ah yeah ... |
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| 17:10.48 | rudi_s | Because that's the way it works ... |
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| 17:19.01 | hypn0 | that's what need to be done, then linux would take off |
| 17:19.52 | rudi_s | hypn0: Are you serious? |
| 17:20.12 | greycat | I have no idea what he's responding to (I /ignored that ubuntu guy), but it sounded sarcastic. |
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| 17:20.42 | hypn0 | rudi_s: no I'm hypn0, but yes :-) |
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| 17:22.07 | hypn0 | then you just need to put everything in a menu, you can have several older versions too |
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| 17:23.59 | roylaprattep | Hi, easy question guys. Why Debian use "/var/cache/bind/" instead of "/etc/bind" in "named.conf.options"? |
| 17:24.29 | antto | well that's weird, how do i take a screenshot of a program where i've "pulled out" a menu? |
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| 17:24.46 | antto | i can't believe i'm asking this |
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| 17:25.47 | antto | while i've pulled out the menu, pressing PringScreen doesn't respond (it normally loads up some fancy dialog) |
| 17:25.50 | greycat | antto: one way is to type something like "sleep 5; scrot" in a terminal, then pull up the menu, and wait |
| 17:26.02 | antto | oh |
| 17:26.09 | lorde | antto: yeah, timers will save you |
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| 17:27.03 | antto | i guess this "scrot" can't copy to clipboard? |
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| 17:27.58 | bitSt0rm | Hello all! |
| 17:28.00 | lorde | antto: no idea, I always use whatever screenshot tool a DE provides |
| 17:28.31 | bitSt0rm | I have shutter scripted to my printscr - works like a charm |
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| 17:28.54 | bitSt0rm | only thing i miss is a feature to autoupload to the internet |
| 17:28.54 | antto | lorde so do i, but it doesn't work while the menu is "opened" |
| 17:29.06 | nekOwOseam | Fish doesn't create an executable in /bin/ and only makes one in /usr/bin, is this normal behavior or is it a bug? |
| 17:29.11 | nekOwOseam | Fish is a shell |
| 17:29.39 | bitSt0rm | An oyster-ish fish? O_o |
| 17:30.38 | nekOwOseam | The fishy kind of fish. The fish that smells fishy...looks fishy... |
| 17:30.55 | nekOwOseam | The fishy kind of fish that doesn't create an executable in /bin/ kind of fishy... |
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| 17:31.11 | bitSt0rm | Haha XD |
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| 17:33.13 | noodlepie | fish is great, I never thought I'd leave bash! |
| 17:34.33 | nekOwOseam | noodlepie: did fish create an executable in /bin/ or only /usr/bin for you? |
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| 17:34.40 | jhutchins_wk | nekOwOseam: Back when we had to build up a system using a lot of small disks there was a reason for /bin and /usr/bin, but they're usually on the same partition/mount these days, so the reasons blur. |
| 17:35.18 | jhutchins_wk | !fhs |
| 17:35.18 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 17:35.28 | noodlepie | only in /usr/bin, same in Gentoo |
| 17:35.42 | nekOwOseam | I understand the filesystem, I just found it odd it only made one in /usr/bin |
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| 17:35.53 | noodlepie | nekOwOseam, you can symlink the app with "ln -s /usr/bin/fish /bin/fish" |
| 17:35.57 | greycat | The primary difference between /usr/bin and /bin is that the programs in /usr/bin may not be available in the earlier part of booting. |
| 17:36.36 | greycat | /bin is "supposed" to be on the root partition |
| 17:37.13 | noodlepie | you don;t need fish until userws are able to log in |
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| 17:37.24 | lorde | Can someone give me a link where I can read about all these fancy "!" commands yall use? |
| 17:37.26 | greycat | so long as you don't write in early-stage boot scripts in fish, that's true |
| 17:37.32 | greycat | s/in/any/ |
| 17:38.03 | greycat | lorde: you mean bot triggers? I doubt there is a single unified collection of them all anywhere. |
| 17:38.29 | annadane | !search dpkg |
| 17:38.29 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 17:38.48 | greycat | Of course that doesn't include judd's triggers. |
| 17:38.57 | lorde | Who's judd? |
| 17:39.01 | greycat | !judd |
| 17:39.01 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for detailed information, or ask me about <judd-packages>, <judd-hardware>, <source judd>. |
| 17:39.43 | annadane | judd also isn't invoked by !, though |
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| 17:40.07 | greycat | waves a paw around in the air. Details! |
| 17:40.48 | lorde | Okay, I think I shall refrain from using these "!" things and treat them as magic |
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| 17:41.44 | annadane | you can try it out by /msg dpkg blah or /msg judd blah, and for dpkg specifically there's #debian-bots on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:41.52 | annadane | i don't know if there's an equivalent for freenode |
| 17:41.56 | Iridos | lorde, you can always address the robots with their name⦠which I usually do, because it is less confusing for newcomers |
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| 17:42.32 | greycat | there's a #debian-bots here as well |
| 17:42.32 | lorde | Iridos: where can I get the list of robots' names? |
| 17:42.46 | greycat | lorde: dpkg and judd are the main ones |
| 17:43.05 | lorde | Okay, let me try to talk to 'judd' |
| 17:43.06 | greycat | There's also apt, which is basically an older version of dpkg. |
| 17:43.19 | lorde | judd: help |
| 17:43.21 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 17:43.28 | annadane | but try not to spam the channel with it |
| 17:43.31 | annadane | you can /msg the bots |
| 17:43.35 | lorde | k, ty |
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| 17:44.22 | annadane | you sort of have to hang out long enough to watch other people invoke the bots so you know what factoids exist |
| 17:44.29 | annadane | there's a few really common ones |
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| 17:45.44 | annadane | the !judd posted above has a link which has a few judd commands, and dpkg has an interface you can search, also posted above, in !search dpkg |
| 17:45.47 | karlpinc | I believe dpkg has a factoid on itself. Which leads to the factoid database on a website somewhere. |
| 17:46.15 | annadane | !tell karlpinc about search dpkg |
| 17:46.40 | Iridos | yes⦠you can also look at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ |
| 17:46.45 | karlpinc | annadane: That never worked really well for me. Mostly, IIRC, due to response length limits. |
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| 17:47.57 | roue | Hola. |
| 17:48.59 | roue | a friend asked me to look at their debian system to fix an apt error. I log in and it looks like a dist-upgrade from 8 to 9 broke in the middle. Now any apt-get install fails. When I try apt -fix-broken install it doesn't resolve. |
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| 17:49.26 | roue | at the end of a half page of broken package dependencies it says "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." |
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| 17:49.32 | roue | which is what I just tried. |
| 17:49.43 | roue | Any suggestions would be appreciated. |
| 17:49.53 | greycat | Read the entire output instead of the last line of the output. In particular, read the BEGINNING of the errors. |
| 17:50.20 | greycat | Also double-check the sources.list and make sure an apt-get update runs cleanly. |
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| 17:51.52 | roue | Here it is http://paste.debian.net/1026242/ |
| 17:52.06 | roue | I checked the sources.list, apt-get update runs cleanly. |
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| 17:52.59 | roue | The owner had several lines for stretch in sources.list, but one for sid for some reason. I took sid out and repeated the apt-get update. |
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| 17:58.12 | jhutchins_wk | There's yer problem. |
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| 18:00.31 | PatoMode01 | Hello |
| 18:00.41 | jhutchins_wk | !partial downgrade |
| 18:00.42 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 18:02.53 | PatoMode01 | Hello |
| 18:03.19 | PatoMode01 | Hello |
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| 18:04.38 | scwizard | Hello |
| 18:04.40 | scwizard | I did: apt-cache --no-all-versions show docker-ce |
| 18:04.50 | annadane_ | !ask |
| 18:04.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:04.51 | scwizard | it says: Installed-Size: 176867 |
| 18:04.52 | annadane_ | PatoMode01, ^ |
| 18:05.09 | scwizard | Size: 33830998 <- what is the actual size and in what units? |
| 18:05.19 | greycat | Installed-size is kilobytes |
| 18:05.44 | scwizard | ok thanks |
| 18:06.02 | scwizard | pretty big package then |
| 18:06.13 | greycat | I'm guessing "Size:" is the size of the actual .deb file in bytes, since it appears right after the "Filename:" and right before "MD5sum:" |
| 18:06.24 | scwizard | i'm really sad that upstream doesn't distribute a docker cli package that is just the cli |
| 18:06.38 | scwizard | i might build docker cli myself tbh |
| 18:06.51 | PatoMode | anyone can help me install tor? |
| 18:07.03 | greycat | ,info tor |
| 18:07.04 | judd | Package tor (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. Version: 0.2.9.14-1; Size: 1435.0k; Installed: 4057k; Homepage: https://www.torproject.org/ |
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| 18:07.23 | greycat | So I'm guessing, uh, "apt-get install tor"? |
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| 18:07.54 | bitess | that's only the tor client. do you want the tor browser? |
| 18:07.59 | PatoMode | I install with a temporial file |
| 18:08.19 | greycat | If you aren't using Debian's packaging of tor, then why are you asking in #debian? |
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| 18:08.40 | annadane_ | for the tor *browser*, you have to enable stretch-backports and put contrib in your sources... but it doesn't _have_ to be installed that way, tor's website also has it |
| 18:08.46 | annadane_ | as a tar, i believe |
| 18:08.53 | roue | hi~. |
| 18:09.01 | alpine | hi |
| 18:09.05 | mnuhmnuh | Iridos: "w3m http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/" doesn't work. sticks at "opening socket ..." :-| |
| 18:09.23 | alpine | Hello Patomode1 |
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| 18:11.07 | annadane_ | https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/7.5.4/tor-browser-linux64-7.5.4_en-US.tar.xz but i think they left |
| 18:12.00 | scwizard | oh you can just download a tgz of the docker binaries |
| 18:12.01 | scwizard | https://download.docker.com/linux/static/stable/x86_64/ |
| 18:12.21 | alpine | guys im wanting some fun in linux, is there anywhere i can further my knowledge? |
| 18:12.27 | roue | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.43 | annadane_ | !newcomer |
| 18:12.43 | dpkg | Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea. |
| 18:13.15 | greycat | I guess I don't know anything about tor. Why does it have its own "browser"? Don't you just point your regular browser at a proxy on localhost or something? |
| 18:13.21 | annadane_ | "linux", well, there's a lot of resources, see tldp.org for example |
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| 18:14.03 | scwizard | greycat: there's extra features to help with anonymity in tor browser |
| 18:14.34 | scwizard | never used it but apparently there's some paranoia about certain things not going through a proxy, or having personally identifiable info or something |
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| 18:14.46 | scwizard | but yes you can use a normal browser and point it through tor |
| 18:14.51 | greycat | 'k |
| 18:15.18 | annadane_ | and then i guess you also get updates to the tor browser, certain security enhancements etc |
| 18:16.08 | alpine | well he can allways use tails |
| 18:16.28 | alpine | its a linux-ish tor OS |
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| 18:18.19 | Iridos | mnuhmnuh, true⦠that should be http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ that other url was the archives (and that seems to be down) |
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| 18:18.31 | alpine | ladies and lads, would you please point me to a chat refering to cyber security? |
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| 18:19.19 | annadane | er... well, i guess there's #privacytech on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:19.25 | annadane | i'm sure freenode has tons |
| 18:19.38 | alpine | in freenode is there any? |
| 18:19.44 | annadane | #gnu on freenode is sorta related? |
| 18:19.52 | alpine | is it? |
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| 18:22.53 | greycat | You could "/msg alis list ..." where ... is whatever keyword you think might help, or ask in #freenode. |
| 18:23.35 | mnuhmnuh | Iridos: factoids works. tx. |
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| 18:25.41 | mnuhmnuh | doesn't anybody proofread anymore? "#debian's resources are there for your to search ..." |
| 18:25.44 | alpine | thanks a lot annadane |
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| 18:32.17 | scwizard | hey how come https://hub.docker.com/r/library/debian/tags/stretch/ mentions there being a vulnerability in the stretch image, when systemd isn't in the stretch image as far as I can tell? |
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| 18:32.43 | greycat | How would we know? |
| 18:32.50 | annadane | well, first of all, your link doesn't work |
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| 18:33.01 | annadane | second, not having systemd doesn't imply no vulnerabilities |
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| 18:33.10 | scwizard | https://hub.docker.com/r/library/debian/tags/stretch/ |
| 18:33.13 | scwizard | doesn't work? |
| 18:33.17 | greycat | zeroeth of all, it says hub.docker.com which is not a subdomain of debian.org |
| 18:33.17 | annadane | 404 |
| 18:33.33 | scwizard | greycat: it's the offical debian image which debian maintains :| |
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| 18:34.12 | greycat | 404 for me as well |
| 18:34.20 | lorde | Same here |
| 18:35.11 | scwizard | weird let me try in ignognito |
| 18:35.43 | mutante | stretch has systemd |
| 18:35.44 | scwizard | oh the security vuln thingy only shows up if you're logged in |
| 18:35.44 | scwizard | odd |
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| 18:35.58 | scwizard | mutante: the docker image of stretch doesn't as afaik |
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| 18:36.22 | mutante | hmm..odd that it would be official but also not like the official one. but i dunno |
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| 18:37.12 | annadane | "a vulnerability" is very vague |
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| 18:37.42 | greycat | "this URL only works if you're a registered member" is yet another reason for me to continue ignoring Docker |
| 18:37.55 | scwizard | annadane: specifically this: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-1000082 |
| 18:38.17 | annadane | well, stretch says "vulnerable" |
| 18:38.34 | annadane | sorry, i'm being stupid again |
| 18:38.41 | annadane | and don't have the "it's late" excuse this time |
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| 18:39.29 | scwizard | basically dockerhub scanned the debian image and found systemd, but systemd isn't installed in said image, which made me huh |
| 18:39.31 | scwizard | it's nbd |
| 18:40.18 | annadane | (maybe that's a cue to take a nap...) |
| 18:40.45 | scwizard | greycat: dockerhub != docker, it's just one of many image registries |
| 18:42.11 | annadane | well, if you dpkg -l systemd... |
| 18:42.20 | annadane | and it has it, then it clearly doesn't come as advertised |
| 18:42.36 | annadane | or dockerhub is flawed, i don't know how it works |
| 18:43.23 | scwizard | annadane: this is my dpkg -l systemd output: https://pastebin.com/raw/mgkK5zL9 |
| 18:43.37 | scwizard | not sure what that all means |
| 18:43.46 | annadane | it's not installed |
| 18:43.53 | scwizard | gotcha |
| 18:44.10 | annadane | but again i don't know how it works, either the scan is flawed or whatever, it's hard to give a definitive answer |
| 18:44.14 | annadane | ask docker support? |
| 18:44.37 | scwizard | dockerhub support, but yeah maybe during the building process it was installed then uninstalled or something idk |
| 18:44.57 | mutante | is that a new distro that is "based on Debian"? |
| 18:44.58 | scwizard | but it def makes me question dockerhub's (admittedly beta) vuln scanning feature |
| 18:45.06 | scwizard | mutante: it's the debian docker image |
| 18:45.16 | mutante | scwizard: well, it's not like the normal debian image |
| 18:45.22 | scwizard | docker images often don't have init systems because they don't need them due to being docker images |
| 18:45.22 | annadane | do you have to use a docker image as opposed to a VM? |
| 18:45.31 | mutante | ah, i see |
| 18:45.31 | annadane | i mean, use whatever you want... |
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| 18:45.42 | scwizard | they're good at different things |
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| 18:47.00 | mutante | so the options are: a) it doesnt matter because systemd isnt installed or b) it is not relevant whether it's docker or not.. is it really not fixed in stretch |
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| 18:48.29 | greycat | You could test it and see if it's fixed. I'm not in the mood to bother right now. |
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| 18:49.29 | greycat | I mean, clearly it only affects you if you have usernames that begin with a digit, and if you've written your own unit files, and one of those unit files tries to use one of those digit-starting user names. |
| 18:49.39 | greycat | That's a lot of conditions, many of which are HIGHLY unusual. |
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| 18:50.15 | annadane | security vulns these days are basically approaching "this allows a malicious attacker under very obscure circumstances to exploit highly obscure thing 3 people in the world know about" |
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| 18:51.17 | greycat | Usernames that start with a digit probably break a whole lot of other things too. |
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| 18:51.55 | greycat | I imagine there's a substantial body of code that checks whether an argument string is a username or a UID by checking isdigit(*argv[1]); |
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| 18:53.38 | lorde | Man, that github issue is old |
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| 18:53.44 | lorde | June 2017 |
| 18:54.27 | lorde | I didn't know that Linux usernames must not start from a number |
| 18:54.55 | greycat | If they "must not", then that security vulnerability is moot. |
| 18:55.04 | greycat | I think it is only "should not". |
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| 18:57.18 | lorde | greycat: yeah, 'useradd' has just let me create a user named '10rd3' |
| 18:57.35 | greycat | can you chown files to it? |
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| 18:58.33 | lorde | -rw-r--r-- 1 10rd3 10rd3 2534 May 23 19:36 bbb |
| 18:58.38 | lorde | Yeah, I can |
| 18:59.06 | greycat | I'm a bit surprised it worked, but cool. Next thing I'd test would be find . -user 10rd3 |
| 18:59.30 | greycat | ps can also be tested, etc. |
| 18:59.39 | lorde | greycat: come on man, get yourself a bash prompt |
| 19:00.22 | scwizard | are there plans to enforce https for apt ever? |
| 19:00.24 | scwizard | since this is 2018? |
| 19:00.34 | scwizard | stretch is still http by default |
| 19:00.39 | greycat | Stop working at places that don't let you get Debian packages. |
| 19:01.26 | annadane | https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ |
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| 19:02.26 | scwizard | ahh neat |
| 19:02.46 | lorde | Ah my gawd, someone even made a web page about this |
| 19:02.54 | scwizard | i don't agree but |
| 19:03.04 | greycat | ironically, the web page in question uses https |
| 19:03.11 | scwizard | yeah there's just zero reason not to use https |
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| 19:03.16 | scwizard | even if the security is identical |
| 19:03.21 | lorde | But it's a web page, and not apt mirror |
| 19:03.37 | greycat | scwizard: there's >0 reason not to change, and that reason is "change is work" |
| 19:03.44 | scwizard | good point! |
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| 19:04.22 | greycat | The only *justifiable* reason you'd want apt to use https is "my workplace's HTTP proxy blocks everything, but HTTPS works", to which see my prior answer. |
| 19:04.25 | annadane | protip: it's written by the current debian project leader |
| 19:04.34 | annadane | "i don't agree"... you're entitled to your opinion, but... |
| 19:05.16 | KwayTeow | Hello. i have problem with SSH connection with Debian KDE. I have put the key in ~/.ssh but it refuses connection with error message "PubKey Denied" i didn't have this problem with GNOME (Tried live session, copied the key and i'm able connect). What am i missing? Thanks in advance |
| 19:06.20 | greycat | KwayTeow: How did you generate the key pair? Did you put the public key on the server into the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file? Are all the ownerships and permissions correct? |
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| 19:08.22 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: https does add additional overhead for the server (and the clients), and the server's already heavily loaded. |
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| 19:08.39 | scwizard | eh |
| 19:08.42 | scwizard | once upon a time maybe |
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| 19:09.19 | scwizard | tbh i think it's kinda stubbornness, but it's debian style stubbornness so i get it |
| 19:09.52 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: No, it's a reasoned decision. |
| 19:09.59 | scwizard | yes! it is |
| 19:10.31 | scwizard | https is a closed system |
| 19:10.37 | scwizard | the sort that debian doesn't trust |
| 19:10.46 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:10.58 | lorde | scwizard: how is https a closed system? |
| 19:11.05 | KwayTeow | greycat: I generated from previous Debian GNOME installation. It seems only under KDE that the "PubKey denied" appear. I tried Debian GNOME live and copy the key to ~/.ssh and i am able to connect. I am less than a year using Linux so i'm still confuse. |
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| 19:11.21 | scwizard | lorde: read the section about overly trusting cas idk |
| 19:11.21 | scwizard | https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ |
| 19:11.26 | scwizard | i guess i prhased that wrong |
| 19:11.46 | greycat | KwayTeow: You keep saying "copy the key to ~/.ssh" -- WHICH key are you copying, to which machine, into what filename? |
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| 19:12.01 | greycat | A key pair is two keys -- public and private. |
| 19:12.12 | annadane | scwizard, in any event, this is off topic for this channel, bring it up with the author(s) if you disagree |
| 19:12.16 | greycat | IDEALLY the private key should never be copied anywhere. It should be generated on the client where it will be used, and then never touched. |
| 19:12.21 | annadane | or discuss it in debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:12.39 | greycat | The public key must be copied onto the server into the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file (it's a text file, you can just paste the key onto the end of it). |
| 19:12.45 | scwizard | don't worry i won't spam the list with my nonsense lol |
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| 19:12.57 | annadane | incidentally there are tor addresses for some mirrors if you really really care |
| 19:12.58 | greycat | All the permissions and ownerships must be CORRECT, which means "NO GROUP WRITE, NO OTHER WRITE". |
| 19:14.12 | michael2 | Im following the wiki guide for "Manually copying installer files to installer USB - the flexible way" and Im at this point here: |
| 19:14.24 | michael2 | https://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#idp71298176 |
| 19:14.29 | scwizard | there's a env var you can export |
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| 19:14.35 | scwizard | to get debugging output from ssh |
| 19:14.37 | KwayTeow | greycat: i copied them to (Debian KDE) local machine. Also ssh-copy-id to remote. But still get the error. |
| 19:14.41 | michael2 | I have syslinux installed and setup to start the kernel |
| 19:14.41 | scwizard | helps a lot with those file permission oopsies |
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| 19:14.53 | michael2 | but I dont understand how the kernel then starts the debian installer and what files I need to have in the boot directory which actually comprise the installer? |
| 19:14.56 | jhutchins_wk | I think some people just don't - maybe can't - comprehend the scope and scale of a project like maintaining a global mirroring system for over 50,000 packages. |
| 19:15.10 | michael2 | in a normal/full OS the kernel starts pid 1. I assume you either replace pid1 with the debian installer or you explicitly set the kernel into a "boot" mode - possilbly as a command line parameter? |
| 19:15.16 | greycat | KwayTeow: I don't know what you're doing and you keep REFUSING TO TELL US. So just start over. Create a new key pair on the client machine, and copy the pub key to the server, and check all the FUCKING PERMISSIONS. |
| 19:15.22 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys |
| 19:16.10 | annadane | you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, i won't ever tell you to stop employing the tools of critical thinking, but when the debian project has a stated commitment to security and privacy (and has a social contract to prove it) and the project leader has a website devoted to the subject, it's going to take more than just a simple disagreement to sway that particular approach |
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| 19:18.14 | jhutchins_wk | KwayTeow: Use ssh-copy-id |
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| 19:18.43 | KwayTeow | greycat: i can connect if using ssh -i mykey user:host but without pointing the key i get PubKey denied, and this not happening if i use debian gnome. This is what i'd like to know what i am doing wrong. |
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| 19:19.49 | jhutchins_wk | KwayTeow: You may want to try -vvv to get a more verbose account of why the key is refused. |
| 19:19.58 | bitess | KwayTeow: is that because your key is named something other than ~/.ssh/id_rsa ? |
| 19:20.12 | greycat | KwayTeow: rename the key to the default name, then. Or load the key into your ssh-agent. Or fix any of the other things you're doing wrong that you keep refusing to tell us. |
| 19:20.32 | jhutchins_wk | gnome doesn't do ssh. |
| 19:20.37 | mutante | KwayTeow: ssh-add /path/to/key and then try again |
| 19:20.42 | greycat | GNOME has a notorious ssh-agent of its own, though |
| 19:20.56 | greycat | Riddled with problems, just like you would expect from everything about GNOME. |
| 19:23.44 | michael2 | does anyone know how - on a bootable USB - the kernel is started so that it starts the debian installer (and not pid 1 like it usually would) |
| 19:25.14 | KwayTeow | Ok let me try with your suggestion. And yes i have it named with other than default id_rsa, let me also rename it back to default. |
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| 19:26.57 | karlpinc | What would cause this output, The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 19:26.57 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.57 | karlpinc | 6 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 19:26.57 | karlpinc | Need to get 1,049 kB of archives. After unpacking 4,096 B will be used. |
| 19:27.01 | karlpinc | (Reading database ... |
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| 19:27.25 | greycat | Oooh! Oooh! I know! It was an apt-get comand! |
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| 19:28.15 | bitess | heh |
| 19:28.25 | erilu__ | heh |
| 19:29.33 | KwayTeow | jhutchins_wk , bitess , greycat thank you renaming it to default solve it. I spent whole night browsing the internet to find the fix but talking to you guys can solve the problem in less than 5 minutes. xie xie |
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| 19:29.42 | jhutchins_wk | Putty is also available for gnome/linux. |
| 19:29.55 | erilu__ | how can i quit vim |
| 19:29.59 | karlpinc | Ugh. Sorry. Didn't know what was in my paste buffer. Grrr. |
| 19:30.22 | greycat | erilu__: ESC : q ! ENTER |
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| 19:30.33 | erilu__ | ok |
| 19:30.37 | greycat | erilu__: assuming you want to discard any changes |
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| 19:30.56 | jhutchins_wk | KwayTeow: If you start a session with -vvv you'll see the process that caused that to fail. |
| 19:30.59 | bitess | michael2: well, grub starts the kernel. you can mount an iso and look inside. don't know what happens then. |
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| 19:31.03 | erilu__ | i just lost evrything |
| 19:31.16 | greycat | well, :q! exits without saving |
| 19:31.17 | karlpinc | What would cause the output http://paste.debian.net/1026255/ from an "aptitude --quiet=2 -y safe-upgrade"? |
| 19:31.32 | KwayTeow | jhutchins_wk: ok. i'll note that. |
| 19:31.55 | erilu__ | i was doing a flappy bird clone in Java and i have to restart everything because of you |
| 19:32.21 | jhutchins_wk | erilu__: No, because you ran something without reading the docs first. |
| 19:32.27 | jim | karlpinc, as you might already know, you can use this: you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999" |
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| 19:32.34 | michael2 | bitess: I dont think grub starts the kernel in the bootable USB's, I think isolinux is used, but good idea about looking at how the debian project setup their USB though. |
| 19:32.37 | jhutchins_wk | erilu__: You asked how to quit, he told you. |
| 19:32.43 | erilu__ | how can i read the docs if i can't exit vim |
| 19:32.45 | jhutchins_wk | erilu__: You did not ask how to save and exit. |
| 19:32.58 | karlpinc | The "Error: Timeout was reached" after Setting up... is weird. |
| 19:33.17 | jhutchins_wk | erilu__: You read them BEFORE you start vim, or even WHEN you start vim without a file name. |
| 19:33.33 | greycat | If you don't even know how to save your work in vim, chances are you FUCKED UP the text, so you probably want to get the hell out without saving. |
| 19:33.41 | jim | erilu__, maybe vim will let you ctrl-z? |
| 19:33.50 | greycat | Or you open another terminal. |
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| 19:34.21 | erilu__ | i'm going to use emacs now it's more user friendly and i like stallman he is a good person |
| 19:34.25 | karlpinc | erilu__: Or choose another editor. Or type "ctrl-alt-fN" and switch to another virtual console even. |
| 19:34.35 | lorde | erilu__: high five, brother |
| 19:35.07 | jim | erilu__, emacs definitely will let you ctrl-z (do you know what that does? |
| 19:35.09 | jim | ) |
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| 19:35.18 | greycat | vim does not suppress ctrl-z either |
| 19:35.36 | erilu__ | i can just press u on vim |
| 19:35.42 | jim | I just didn't know whether it did or not |
| 19:35.43 | karlpinc | erilu__: Everybody has their own editor choice. You will join a tribe when you choose anything. Be sure to install emacs25-common-non-dfsg package (in non-free) so you get the manual. Then follow at least the first little bit of the tutorial. |
| 19:35.47 | lorde | jim: places it into background? |
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| 19:36.25 | lorde | karlpinc: are you for real? |
| 19:36.35 | greycat | If you're going to advise people on Ctrl-Z, make sure they have a rudimentary understanding of what job control is, and how to get the program(s) back into the foreground. |
| 19:36.39 | jim | lorde, yep :) and, I'm wondering if -he- knows that, and if not, I was gonna show him |
| 19:36.57 | erilu__ | i'm using arch btw |
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| 19:37.12 | greycat | lorde: technically, it stops the job. To make it run in the background, you have to use the bg command. |
| 19:37.27 | greycat | Not that a visual text editor can run in the background, of course. |
| 19:37.40 | lorde | greycat: okay, thx. I prefer GNU screen if I need multiple programs running though |
| 19:37.52 | erilu__ | greycat, it's not "fg" instead of bg ? |
| 19:37.59 | jim | erilu__, oh ok, you might find good info on #archlinux (I think that's it) |
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| 19:38.12 | greycat | Yeah, very few people use shell job control these days. It's so much easier just to open multiple terminals. |
| 19:38.31 | karlpinc | greycat: I use it all the time. Multiple terminals means I need to reach for the mouse. |
| 19:38.32 | jelly | except when your shells don't share history |
| 19:38.33 | greycat | erilu__: fg brings the job back to the foreground. bg sets it running in the background, if possible. |
| 19:38.45 | erilu__ | og ok |
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| 19:38.54 | jim | erilu__, if you want to use debian (install it and all that), we can show you how you can install it so that both linuxes dual boot |
| 19:39.26 | greycat | karlpinc: non-mouse people can use tmux or screen, or the Linux virtual consoles |
| 19:39.40 | greycat | But if you like job control, great. |
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| 19:40.28 | karlpinc | greycat: It's always there.... |
| 19:40.39 | greycat | a definite plus |
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| 19:41.39 | erilu__ | jim, i will install debian on my first thinkpad who is coming next week so don't worry |
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| 19:54.52 | jim | erilu__, you might want to use the netinstall image that comes with additional firmware |
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| 19:58.15 | scwizard | hmmmm, is there someway I can make wget not silent but like |
| 19:58.16 | scwizard | quieter? |
| 19:58.46 | scwizard | rather than 1 line per MB I want one dot per MB |
| 19:58.52 | scwizard | basically its progress bar is tuned for slow internet |
| 19:59.30 | scwizard | oh readin the man now |
| 19:59.34 | scwizard | there's a lot of config for that |
| 19:59.53 | annadane | wget -q? |
| 20:00.12 | annadane | that shuts off all output entirely |
| 20:00.16 | scwizard | With the default style each dot represents 1K hahaha |
| 20:00.21 | scwizard | yeah that's pretty silly |
| 20:00.25 | scwizard | fortunately you can change it |
| 20:00.26 | lennox | could use --report-speed=type |
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| 20:00.55 | lennox | ah no you cant never actually read that |
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| 20:01.03 | lennox | lol the only accepted type is bits, disregard. |
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| 20:03.16 | lennox | try wget --progress=dot |
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| 20:03.26 | Thedarkb-X40 | wget makes sense on my 1mbps DSL |
| 20:04.20 | scwizard | yeah |
| 20:04.23 | scwizard | wget --progress=dot:giga $url |
| 20:04.41 | scwizard | that works a lot better for good internet |
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| 20:05.06 | scwizard | Thedarkb-X40: my condolences :( altho tbf wget isn't running on my laptop but on a aws instance |
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| 20:05.29 | Thedarkb-X40 | That's why I can make do with this old Centrino laptop |
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| 20:06.08 | Thedarkb-X40 | When I load a web page, the connection is the bottleneck rather than the processor. |
| 20:07.50 | scwizard | sounds like you're being very smart by not trying to use windows 10 or something on it |
| 20:08.16 | scwizard | people throw out so much perfectly good hardware because it can't run the latest bloated OS |
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| 20:08.38 | scwizard | *latest bloated propitiatory OS |
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| 20:10.10 | Thedarkb-X40 | scwizard, Lubuntu unfortunately. |
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| 20:10.26 | Thedarkb-X40 | For some reason the WiFi card doesn't agree with Debian. |
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| 20:11.03 | lennox | if it works in lubuntu it will work in debian, just have to load the firmware |
| 20:11.23 | Thedarkb-X40 | I DID load the firmware. |
| 20:11.32 | Thedarkb-X40 | It just kept spitting out "link not ready" |
| 20:11.46 | lennox | you did something wrong then |
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| 20:12.04 | Thedarkb-X40 | Tell me what. |
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| 20:12.16 | Thedarkb-X40 | No one in here could at the time. |
| 20:12.34 | lennox | go into your setup and see which modules are loaded |
| 20:12.47 | Thedarkb-X40 | ipw2200 was loaded. |
| 20:13.01 | Thedarkb-X40 | It's a 2200BG Calexico2 card. |
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| 20:18.50 | Thedarkb-X40 | The WiFi card also works in TinyCore Linux. |
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| 20:21.12 | rvoid | I have some troubles with WiFi setup on my machine. My WiFi card driver - iwlwifi. I use wpa_supplicant. Card started with "ip link set wlp2s0 up". ip link show output - termbin.com/chsx9. But WiFi led indicates, that card works. My /etc/network/interfaces - termbin.com/ghf2. Where did I go wrong? |
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| 20:21.42 | hldw | hello, is there an unstable-updates repository like for stable and testing? |
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| 20:21.57 | annadane | no |
| 20:22.11 | greycat | !testing security |
| 20:22.12 | dpkg | Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 20:22.15 | hldw | annadane: as goes for unstable-security so, right? |
| 20:22.18 | annadane | (i wasn't even aware there was one for testing...) |
| 20:22.27 | greycat | There is not. |
| 20:22.33 | hldw | thank you greycat |
| 20:22.34 | greycat | Testing has the WORST security of all. |
| 20:22.38 | annadane | ^ |
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| 20:23.14 | annadane | stable is the most supported, but security fixes are quick in unstable as well (faster than stable, though this is partially confirmation bias for a variety of reasons)... testing is a no man's land of delayed everything |
| 20:23.22 | greycat | With unstable, you just get whatever the maintainer uploads, whenever she/he uploads it. |
| 20:23.39 | greycat | Security updates are usually faster in stable than in unstable. |
| 20:23.40 | Thedarkb-X40 | rvoid, any dmesgs from the driver? |
| 20:23.44 | greycat | Not always, but usually. |
| 20:23.48 | annadane | oh, it's possible |
| 20:23.54 | annadane | i should't pass off my observation as fact |
| 20:23.56 | hldw | I see |
| 20:24.41 | Thedarkb-X40 | Also, do rfkill list |
| 20:26.20 | hldw | if I'm adding the unstable repository, as I need a package from there that is not available yet in stable nor testing, then set the APT default to stable and use APT::Default-Release "stable"; All my normal install (apt install foo) will be from stable only right? |
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| 20:27.00 | greycat | !don't break debian |
| 20:27.00 | dpkg | dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 20:27.04 | greycat | hldw: DANGER! STOP! |
| 20:27.08 | annadane | i don't think that will protect you from dragging in unwanted dependencies, it depends on the package |
| 20:27.17 | hldw | ! |
| 20:27.21 | annadane | and by unwanted, i mean system breaking, not just wasted space |
| 20:28.03 | annadane | that don't break debian article has a section on "how to install software not available in debian stable" |
| 20:28.09 | annadane | what do you need? |
| 20:28.28 | hldw | i need python3-neovim |
| 20:28.56 | greycat | judd checkbackport python3-neovim |
| 20:28.57 | judd | Backporting package python3-neovim in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: neovim (>= 0.2.1). |
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| 20:29.37 | greycat | judd checkbackport neovim |
| 20:29.38 | judd | Backporting package neovim in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: lua-nvim (>= 0.0.1-26-1~) [!hurd-i386] <!nocheck>. |
| 20:29.44 | greycat | Looks like a horrible idea. |
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| 20:30.19 | annadane | that said, you can likely get the latest neovim and associated gadgets from their website (as a tar, don't mess with .deb files) |
| 20:30.36 | annadane | or, run a VM like virt-manager with sid in it and use that for neovim |
| 20:30.40 | rvoid | Thedarkb-X40: dmesg log - termbin.com/d4xi |
| 20:31.51 | Thedarkb-X40 | I've got nothing |
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| 20:32.39 | annadane | it *may* be possible to get the newest neovim, extract it to a folder, and tell neovim to use the python3-neovim you downloaded from debian's site, i have no idea how well that works, though |
| 20:32.49 | annadane | as a plugin |
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| 20:32.52 | JustASlacker | put it in a docker |
| 20:32.53 | JustASlacker | :P |
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| 20:33.39 | rvoid | Thedarkb-X40: You cant open link or logs are useless? |
| 20:33.55 | Thedarkb-X40 | Nah, I'm useless :P |
| 20:34.13 | rvoid | 3: |
| 20:34.35 | hldw | annadane: i don't think the release packages contain the languages support, you have to download them separately |
| 20:34.41 | annadane | (or of course, neovim's site may have a plugin for it natively) |
| 20:34.49 | annadane | (which, it probably does) |
| 20:34.58 | annadane | yeah, maybe; i don't know too much about it |
| 20:35.09 | annadane | simplest thing it to run sid in a VM, in my opinion |
| 20:35.13 | annadane | s/it/is |
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| 20:35.50 | hldw | or switch to emacs :) |
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| 20:37.31 | annadane | or spacemacs, it has vim style editing |
| 20:37.40 | annadane | that's an entirely different discussion though |
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| 20:42.05 | hldw | yes, thanks for the help guys! |
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| 20:57.03 | jelly | it's as much "should not" as "hey let's put \n and * into file names" just to see how random software copes with it |
| 20:57.16 | jelly | oops, scrolled back |
| 20:57.46 | annadane | bad jelly. |
| 20:57.50 | greycat | There's at least one person in #bash who keeps a directory full of such evil filenames for testing purposes. |
| 20:58.18 | greycat | I've even suggested a few, which he gleefully added. |
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| 20:58.50 | jelly | they should keep a user "0notroot" as well, then |
| 20:59.02 | lorde | jelly: isn't '/' the only type-able character that's not allowed in file names? |
| 20:59.23 | greycat | NUL is technically typable (ctrl-2) |
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| 20:59.39 | jelly | I always used ctrl-space for that one |
| 21:00.01 | greycat | oh, neat |
| 21:00.04 | lorde | NUL as in '\000'? |
| 21:00.12 | greycat | yes, NUL as in ASCII character 00 |
| 21:00.19 | greycat | you can type it with Ctrl-2 or Ctrl-Space |
| 21:00.21 | lorde | That's the one |
| 21:00.50 | jelly | touch '^@' |
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| 21:00.55 | jelly | touch: cannot touch '': No such file or directory |
| 21:01.02 | greycat | And yes, NUL is not permissible in filenames, because it's the C string terminator. |
| 21:01.23 | jelly | interesting, wonder if the shell is faulty or the syscall |
| 21:01.34 | Thedarkb-X40 | You can't name give a file on Windows the same name as a block device |
| 21:01.37 | greycat | What makes you think anything is faulty? |
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| 21:01.50 | mutante | when i have trouble deleting one of those weird file names in bash.. then i fire up "ytree", a TUI.. because you can then just use cursor keys to move to the file and hit delete |
| 21:02.09 | Thedarkb-X40 | On old versions of Windows, if you did "C:\<blockdevice>\<blockdevice>", you'd get a lovely kernel area BSOT |
| 21:02.12 | NickyP | I needed gcc-5 for my project. It is only available in testing. I put testing and /etc/apt/sources.list and updated to it and installed gcc-5. That action also carried an glibc update that I did not need. How can I revert glibc? |
| 21:02.13 | Thedarkb-X40 | BSOD* |
| 21:02.34 | annadane | you can revert it by doing a complete reinstall |
| 21:02.39 | greycat | NickyP: You're fucked. |
| 21:02.41 | greycat | !don |
| 21:02.41 | annadane | as now you're out of luck and have broken the system, likely |
| 21:02.44 | greycat | !don't break debian |
| 21:02.45 | dpkg | i heard dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 21:03.08 | annadane | or fully upgrade to testing and don't ever do things like that again |
| 21:03.14 | jelly | not technically faulty as "want to pass \0 in a file name for creat() to see what happens |
| 21:03.21 | jelly | but... C |
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| 21:03.30 | Thedarkb-X40 | I C what you did there. |
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| 21:04.09 | annadane | NickyP, in future, if you truly do need a newer gcc, use a virtual machine to install testing/sid/whatever you need and do your computing in there |
| 21:04.15 | lorde | Wikipedia says that on ext{3,4} it's anything but \000 and '/' |
| 21:04.21 | annadane | (not that gcc 5 is "newer") |
| 21:04.31 | jelly | dpkg, tell NickyP about partial downgrade |
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| 21:04.49 | BenLubar | Does anyone know of a package that contains a file following this spec that I can use to test my code? https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ |
| 21:05.18 | BenLubar | (so far I checked git and then gave up) |
| 21:05.29 | annadane | lintian...? |
| 21:05.52 | jelly | BenLubar, doc-base |
| 21:06.07 | annadane | they said "file" though |
| 21:06.12 | annadane | yeah, what jelly said |
| 21:06.34 | BenLubar | file as in a file with the path ./copyright in the control part of the deb file |
| 21:06.56 | BenLubar | yay, both lintian and doc-base are giving me null pointer dereferences in my code |
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| 22:02.02 | ealfonso-web | I'm not able to start x11-common as root on debian stretch |
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| 22:04.25 | ealfonso-web | First I was getting connection refused. when I tried to start the service, I was getting "service is masked". I used these steps to fix: https://askubuntu.com/questions/804946/systemctl-how-to-unmask |
| 22:05.28 | ealfonso-web | then I was getting permission errors with /dev/tty0, dev/tty2, which I worked around by chown |
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| 22:06.02 | ealfonso-web | now getting another error: xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted) |
| 22:06.14 | ealfonso-web | what's wrong with my setup? this is a fresh netinstall |
| 22:06.43 | ealfonso-web | can anyone read my messags? |
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| 22:07.46 | ealfonso | test |
| 22:08.10 | ealfonso-web | am I the only one participating in debian irc today? |
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| 22:10.33 | aokfire | Hi, I'm getting stuck on Setting up shared-mime-info |
| 22:10.39 | aokfire | when installing packages or updates |
| 22:10.43 | aokfire | and even when installing the package |
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| 22:48.49 | cVsup | After growing the disk, I accidentally deleted the lvm partition and saved this with fdisk. Can i recover the partition? Editar |
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| 22:49.49 | Guest72787 | Hello\ |
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| 22:56.05 | jelly | cVsup, you have to recreate the partition with the exact same starting sector, and equal or larger size than it used to be |
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| 22:57.07 | cVsup | jelly: I do not have this data anymore |
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| 22:58.06 | jelly | there are tools like "gpart" that look for filesystem formats and tryto guess previous partition layouts |
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