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| 01:31.44 | ChunkyPuffs | Is this or is this not the place to get help? :P |
| 01:32.27 | ChunkyPuffs | Anybody care to help an old laptop out? Know the old EEEPCs? |
| 01:33.09 | ChunkyPuffs | The Debian article for them recommends Debian Squeeze, which is completely and utterly unavailable now. Debian 9 works flawlessly, except for one thing.. no libva, it just doesn't work. "Intel video i915_drv_video.so fails to load" https://bugs.debian.org/704801, have tried Arch too, i915 seems too old to support, really have tried everything to the extent of my limited knowledge. |
| 01:33.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/704801 in i965-va-driver (closed, help, moreinfo): «i965-va-driver: Intel video i915_drv_video.so fails to load»; severity: important; opened: 2013-04-06; last modified: 2014-06-15. |
| 01:33.57 | ChunkyPuffs | relevant keywords: i915, g45, intel pineview |
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| 01:34.27 | ChunkyPuffs | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 03:18.17 | misternumberone | Hi, installing stretch i386 and when I select to install GRUB 2 on floppy disk, "cannot find a GRUB device for /dev/fd0. check your device.map." /dev/fd0 does not exist. # modprobe floppy: "Module floppy not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-6-686" |
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| 03:18.52 | misternumberone | floppy drive works to boot, light is on at correct times, works in windows |
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| 03:23.20 | nbm | can someone recommend me a nice lightweight terminal that isn't urxvt |
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| 03:31.41 | misternumberone | nbm: st |
| 03:32.29 | nbm | i'll check it out |
| 03:32.31 | nbm | thx |
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| 03:46.02 | Ultima | Hello, I have a new vm host that is performing extremely poorly. The system had 128 vcpu's with 1.5TB ram. I believe the issue is probably a setting in the bios, is anyone experienced with the modern settings? |
| 03:48.30 | Ultima | The motherboard in question is a Supermcro X11QPH+ |
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| 04:30.20 | jgkamat | hi, a package that I use is really out of date (in unstable), is there something I can do to try to get it updated? I'm willing to put in effort myself, but I'm not sure where to start |
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| 04:31.40 | somiaj | jgkamat: What package, and do you know if it currently has an active matainer? |
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| 04:32.39 | jgkamat | somiaj: the package is 'xdo', a maintainer is listed, I'm not sure if they have done something recently: https://packages.debian.org/sid/xdo |
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| 04:32.59 | somiaj | jgkamat: anways basic idea, 1) create a package with the updated version, you may want to look at the debian new matainer's guide for help, and realize debian packages need to be of high quality. Once you have a package, there is a process going through debian mentors (mentors.debian.net) to get the packaged reviewed and find a sponsor. |
| 04:34.01 | jgkamat | ok, I'll first try to get the new version packaged :) |
| 04:34.03 | somiaj | the sponsor will help review your package and give you feed back on things that need to be fixed. Since it has a matainer, this may require some extra work if you want to become a new matainer |
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| 04:34.43 | somiaj | you could also provide the information to the matainer in the current wishlist bug for a new version |
| 04:35.10 | somiaj | #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net can help as needed, though getting a package built will be the first step. |
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| 04:36.11 | jgkamat | ok, that sounds good to me. I'm assuming I'll find an issue in the new version that will need to be fixed (which is why it hasn't been updated), but I'll handle that when I get htere |
| 04:36.15 | somiaj | jgkamat: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xdo can also be of help. Seems out of the inital package, the maintainer hasn't done anything. |
| 04:37.29 | debsan | somiaj, jgkamat https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=877455 |
| 04:37.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/877455 in xdo (open): «xdo: New upstream released»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-10-01; last modified: 2017-10-01. |
| 04:37.44 | somiaj | debsan: yea, that is the wishlist bug I mentioned |
| 04:37.48 | somiaj | outside of the bug, there has been no response. |
| 04:37.49 | jgkamat | yahh :/ |
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| 04:41.01 | somiaj | jgkamat: provided you want to take over maintainer of the package, when you get to looking for a sponsor stage, just CC the current maintainer, more likely than not they will appriciate the help or let someone who is willing to spend the time keeping the package up to date take over. |
| 04:41.28 | jgkamat | ok, sounds good to me :) |
| 04:41.41 | AliceKelly | cef, hello |
| 04:41.49 | jgkamat | do you think it's a good idea to mail the maintainer directly before doing anything, or should I just go for it? |
| 04:43.20 | somiaj | jgkamat: after you get the package created, anyone can upload it to mentors.debian.net (once you create an account). You could upload it there, and respond to the bug and just share your work with the maintainer. |
| 04:43.41 | somiaj | jgkamat: you should use the bts and public forums to talk to the maintainer so there is a public trail of the interaction. |
| 04:44.02 | jgkamat | ok, sounds good to me, thanks for the help somiaj! :) |
| 04:44.06 | somiaj | i.e. you could just make the package and then give it to the maintainer, and only go about looking for a sponsor if the maintainer doens't respond. |
| 04:44.20 | AliceKelly | whats a good mixer app for lxde if alsa mixer works in cli ? |
| 04:44.40 | somiaj | AliceKelly: is lxde not using pulse? most dekstops do. |
| 04:44.51 | somiaj | AliceKelly: dpkg -l | grep pulse (do you have pulseaudio installed)? |
| 04:45.28 | AliceKelly | somiaj, it does lind of. theres no volume mixer per se, |
| 04:45.33 | AliceKelly | kind of |
| 04:45.55 | AliceKelly | obviously not working correctly |
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| 04:46.08 | somiaj | AliceKelly: well do you have pulse installed and running? |
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| 04:46.16 | AliceKelly | yes |
| 04:46.17 | somiaj | AliceKelly: if so, pavucontrol is what you want. |
| 04:48.40 | AliceKelly | i dont really recognize what its trying to do. only 1 slider for system sounds. i really dont like this interface |
| 04:49.12 | somiaj | it actually does sounds per application and allows you to switch between cards |
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| 04:49.26 | somiaj | if you don't have any applications using sound, you won't see the other ones |
| 04:49.50 | AliceKelly | is there anything like the old style alsa mixer gui ? |
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| 04:50.06 | somiaj | you are running pulse, you should use the pulse tools |
| 04:50.15 | somiaj | alsamixer won't help since you need to configure pulse |
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| 04:50.40 | AliceKelly | ok install pulse tools ? |
| 04:51.01 | somiaj | which is what pavucontrol is, it is the recommeneded desktop independent tool |
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| 04:51.06 | somiaj | each desktop has their own tools as well |
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| 04:51.44 | somiaj | pulse is not alsa, it is on top of alsa, and deals with mixing different. You could remove pulse and go back to alsa, but then you loose some of pulses features, which may or may not be an issue to you. |
| 04:51.58 | somiaj | though de's are usually integrated with pulse, so it is what is suggested when running a de |
| 04:52.13 | somiaj | but anyways, what paticular option do you not find in pavucontrol you are needing? |
| 04:53.40 | AliceKelly | i want the old style mixer where it has seperate sliders for master midi system etc and i want it as a persistent app in the systray |
| 04:54.24 | somiaj | the uninstall pulse, and go back to alsa. |
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| 04:54.50 | AliceKelly | so whas is the alsa gui called |
| 04:55.13 | somiaj | I don't know, I just use alsamixer in the terminal, but you can find various systray apps too, just search the packages. |
| 04:55.52 | somiaj | oh look there is a package called alsamixergui that came up fairly quickly, not this won't do much good unless you remove pluse |
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| 04:56.47 | somiaj | pasystray is a systray applet for pulse, volumeicon-alsa is a systray app for alsa |
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| 05:08.29 | AliceKelly | thank you that works |
| 05:08.51 | AliceKelly | it installed kmix and the lappy buttons work now |
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| 05:13.20 | AliceKelly | ok last question. i ditched knoppix and installed a fresh debian stable. should i bother apt-get upgrade ? |
| 05:14.09 | somiaj | I would suggest apt, but apt-get works |
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| 05:14.12 | somiaj | and run apt update first. |
| 05:14.21 | AliceKelly | of course |
| 05:14.27 | AliceKelly | :) |
| 05:14.52 | AliceKelly | im pretty happy with this setup so far |
| 05:14.54 | somiaj | and yes, you will want security updates. I have about 3-5 packages that need upgraded each week, and when the piont release happens (9.5 will be the nest one) you'll get 20-30 packages so far |
| 05:15.14 | somiaj | the updates are only seucirty and bug fixes, so they are not as often as a rolling release, but they are still needed and suggested |
| 05:15.27 | srruby | I have both chromium and firefox installed. I'm using urxvt as my terminal. I'm finding that node opens up firefox rather than chrome. I have x-www-browser set properly to chromium. I don't want firefox opened. |
| 05:15.53 | somiaj | srruby: most things use the xdg (free desktop) settings and not the laternatives system. |
| 05:16.01 | somiaj | srruby: one second, looking up the command |
| 05:16.05 | srruby | Thanks |
| 05:16.34 | somiaj | srruby: what is the output of 'xdg-settings get default-web-browser' |
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| 05:17.02 | srruby | firefox-esr.deskto |
| 05:17.21 | somiaj | srruby: xdg-settings set default-web-browser chromium.desktop |
| 05:17.42 | srruby | somiaj: Thanks. |
| 05:18.00 | srruby | Also, gnome-terminal doesn't work for the last year. |
| 05:18.25 | srruby | timeout |
| 05:18.31 | srruby | Debian 9 |
| 05:18.44 | srruby | Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: Timeout was reached |
| 05:19.50 | AliceKelly | i cant believe that was so painless. why did i screw with knoppix so long |
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| 05:23.26 | somiaj | AliceKelly: Debian takes a bit longer to setup/configure and get use to compared to a lot of the derivatives, and provides older software (because this is part of its stability model) |
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| 05:23.44 | somiaj | AliceKelly: so many don't want to take the initial investment, but I think it pays off if you learn how to do things 'the debian way' |
| 05:24.37 | AliceKelly | somiaj, im liking this a lot better. every time i upgraded it it would begin failing. just being lazy i guess |
| 05:24.55 | AliceKelly | but then this was an easier install too |
| 05:24.57 | somiaj | yea, that is the problem with new software, is things will change, and new bugs could be introduced. |
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| 05:25.30 | somiaj | once you get use to some small things. Needing non-free firmware is often a problem people run into. Though the biggest is wanting new software and breaking their system, have you read this? |
| 05:25.34 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 05:25.34 | dpkg | methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 05:25.54 | AliceKelly | only hing i find iritating is the bar at the top and cant move to bottom |
| 05:26.24 | AliceKelly | if i talk too much kick me in he head |
| 05:26.30 | somiaj | that is due to lxde, debian provides 5+ desktop enviroments, and 10+ window managers, you can look around to find one you like |
| 05:27.50 | jimm | pretty much any one you want |
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| 05:27.56 | AliceKelly | any idea how to kill system beep |
| 05:28.23 | jimm | ultimately disconnect the speaker |
| 05:28.45 | AliceKelly | or plug in headphones and not use em |
| 05:28.50 | somiaj | AliceKelly: depends on what is causing the beep, I have 'set bell-style none' in $HOME/.inputrc and that gets most of them |
| 05:28.54 | jimm | yeah |
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| 05:32.05 | jimm | somiaj, -maybe- in this case he wants to have it not beep from any source |
| 05:32.15 | AliceKelly | to choose managers you dpkg --reconfigure desktop manager |
| 05:32.17 | AliceKelly | ? |
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| 05:33.12 | AliceKelly | i think im using ice |
| 05:33.16 | jimm | you mean which login program? |
| 05:33.46 | AliceKelly | i dont have .inittrc in home when i ls -al |
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| 05:34.21 | jimm | is it really two 't's? |
| 05:34.23 | somiaj | well it really depends on what is causing the beep. Most likely it is the shell, which can be done via the config I gave, I have no beeps. If you have an oldschool pcspkr, you can remove the pcsprk module and blakclist it |
| 05:34.47 | somiaj | AliceKelly: are you using a display manager or running 'startx' from the command line |
| 05:35.08 | AliceKelly | im using the display manager |
| 05:35.25 | somiaj | your display manager should give you an option to select between different xessions |
| 05:35.30 | AliceKelly | i dont recall which one though |
| 05:35.45 | somiaj | with lxde, I would imange lightdm, seems to be fairly popular these days |
| 05:35.48 | AliceKelly | got ya |
| 05:35.58 | AliceKelly | brb |
| 05:35.59 | jimm | on mine it's in the bottom left corner |
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| 05:54.32 | AliceKelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.49 | somiaj | AliceKelly: reset your password |
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| 05:56.53 | AliceKelly | does that fix it ? |
| 05:57.01 | somiaj | Fix what? |
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| 05:57.18 | AliceKelly | you said reset pass |
| 05:57.24 | somiaj | you just had a space before /msg, putting your password in public, and it is now logged, you may want to reset the password for your own security |
| 05:57.45 | somiaj | and anywhere you used the password NickServ VERIFY REGISTER AliceKelly eeqygtrywbcy, so anywhere you use that pass word, change it |
| 05:58.03 | AliceKelly | that was just the code hey sent to verify |
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| 05:59.21 | somiaj | ahh it wasn't a password, you just never sent it to NickServ, so I just wanted to let ya know for your own safty. |
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| 05:59.59 | AliceKelly | im with you, smooches |
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| 06:01.42 | AliceKelly | just poking around setings to see waht i can do |
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| 08:13.53 | michael2 | in this directory: |
| 08:13.55 | michael2 | https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 08:14.37 | michael2 | does anyone know what the file: "boot.img.gz" is? is it an archive of all the other files? |
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| 08:30.30 | BCMM | michael2: i would assume it's a root filesystem |
| 08:31.30 | BCMM | i.e. bootloader loads that kernel and initrd, and the initrd locates boot.img and mounts it as the main root filesystem for the installation process |
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| 08:32.31 | BCMM | sorry, looks like i'm wrong. boot.img is a filesystem image designed to be written directly to a USB stick |
| 08:32.53 | BCMM | i don't know why there's a kernel and initrd available in the same directory online |
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| 08:35.23 | antto | i want a random wallpaper thing.. different set of pictures on each workspace.. Dear Santa.. |
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| 08:44.15 | Peyam | I love that debian. Now I changed the theme and itfaboulus |
| 08:44.18 | Peyam | it is* |
| 08:44.25 | Peyam | I need to change font to Driod sans |
| 08:44.30 | Peyam | and then im happy |
| 08:44.43 | Iridos | and then you need to change the mouse cursor |
| 08:45.26 | Peyam | Iridos, it doesnt bother me. one thing I know it is much more stable than xubuntu that I used for past 5 years |
| 08:45.42 | Peyam | I got 16 GB ram and debian used 3% I checked yestardat |
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| 08:47.23 | antto | mine is using like 230MB when just sitting there in the desktop |
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| 08:53.54 | Iridos | oh, I was just naming further things I couldn't care about less :-} |
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| 09:00.56 | michael2 | BCMM: is it an image designed to be written to USB (aren't they usually *.iso?) or is it designed to be written directly to a hard disk? |
| 09:01.28 | BCMM | michael2: not sure, actually. where did you get the link from? the download page might be more informative than the dir listing |
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| 09:03.40 | michael2 | I dont know where the link to that directory came from. If you give me some time, I can try find the link - its not as well represented in the "download debian" webpages like the other installers... |
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| 09:07.45 | michael2 | hmm, there are a few random pages which link to it, and it does seem it is intended to be written to a USB. i guess when you dd, or similar a file to a block device it doesn't matter what the file extension of the source file was... |
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| 09:09.09 | SirNeo | hmz |
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| 09:09.31 | SirNeo | all are hosted on the same server? |
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| 09:09.56 | BCMM | michael2: you know i think it might actually be an artefact from before hybrid ISO images... |
| 09:10.09 | BCMM | michael2: the only docs i can find are old https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apas02.html.en |
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| 09:10.16 | BCMM | the stretch version of same docs doesn't mention it |
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| 09:10.35 | michael2 | yeah, same, like docs for how to create installer floppy for etch, etc... |
| 09:10.49 | BCMM | perhaps it's just there because the scripts that generate the initrd in the same directory still create it |
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| 09:48.10 | Stevko | Hello. I have two interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces. One has static configuration, the other gets it from dhcp. I want default route to go over static one but I always get default route over dhcp one. How to do that "properly"? |
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| 09:50.11 | TandyUK | hi guys, looking for some help getting debian deployed via cobbler - I have a repo built, preseed file is being generated, but now when my newly booted system tries to connect to my repo, its giving me errors about the repo being unsigned |
| 09:51.28 | TandyUK | I have tried following https://github.com/cobbler/cobbler/wiki/Creating-custom-apt-repositories-in-centos-or-el-based-cobbler |
| 09:51.30 | kopper | Stevko: You could try to define metric for both interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:52.30 | TandyUK | but the scripts there refer to "dpkg-scanpackages" which apparantly (used to be) part of centos's dpkg-devel package (my host system the repo is on, is centos) |
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| 09:55.05 | Stevko | kopper: on some other machine (which is still Jessie) I do not have this problem (machine with problem is with Stretch) |
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| 09:57.12 | kopper | If your Jessie system has similar setup with two interfaces, one of which is manual and other configured which dhcp, AND you haven't done anything to set the order specifically, that could be just luck that it works like you want it to by default |
| 09:58.18 | demute | I want to control the time when my clock is synchronized but I can't find the proper place to look at. I find some files under /etc that are called things with timesyncd but which configuration file serves the same purpose as a line in crontab? |
| 09:58.19 | kopper | s/specifically/explicitly/g |
| 09:58.22 | Stevko | kopper: It could be. But I have several (about five or six) machines with such a setup for several years. |
| 09:58.48 | kopper | So are you telling me you won't try my suggestion? :) |
| 09:59.14 | Stevko | kopper: I added metric 5 to one interface and metric 10 to the other. |
| 09:59.39 | Stevko | kopper: but I get only one default route, not two, so it did not help. |
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| 10:00.22 | kopper | Did you restart networking? |
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| 10:00.46 | Stevko | kopper: yes, but now I see some nice error message so maybe I have something wrong in my interfaces file. |
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| 10:11.38 | Stevko | kopper: I found one stupid error. Now I have two default routes. Static one has metric as expected, dhcp one does not have any. I added -v to ifup call. So I see dhclient called with -e IF_METRIC=10 but it does not seem to do anything |
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| 10:20.43 | itsm3 | Hi |
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| 10:27.28 | n00b1 | vlc gui seems broken after update to 3.0.2 on stretch amd64 |
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| 10:31.44 | n00b1 | vlc window is like 100x bigger then my screen and cant be resized or maximized |
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| 10:32.27 | fooman2011 | 011> Hello. I'm trying to start a program (tvheadend) with dbus support, and I getthe following error: [ ERROR] dbus: Name error: Connection ":1.51" is not allowed to own the service"org.tvheadend.server" due to security policies in the configuration file Could you please tell me how to solve this ? |
| 10:33.38 | wrksx | Shouldn't using the grub-set-default command update the DEFAUTL value in /etc/default/grub ? |
| 10:34.31 | wrksx | forget about that |
| 10:34.41 | wrksx | I just install man and checked the man page |
| 10:34.46 | wrksx | it was written there |
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| 10:35.54 | theband1t | hello? |
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| 10:42.17 | Stevko | kopper: I decided to use systemd-networkd and it works as expected on first try. |
| 10:42.25 | Stevko | kopper: thank you for help |
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| 10:57.25 | kopper | Stevko: Sorry I was in a meeting. Glad to hear you got it working |
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| 10:58.31 | Stevko | kopper: well, it looks ok now, let's see if it stays ok |
| 10:59.37 | wrksx | What is the most gentle way to reboot the system ? is it reboot? |
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| 11:17.29 | jolt | wrksx: yes. I use shutdown -r though, because it's longer to write, so I have time to think about which system I'm rebooting |
| 11:17.41 | wrksx | haha |
| 11:17.47 | jolt | Because reasons... |
| 11:18.43 | TinkerTiger | chuckles. |
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| 11:18.53 | wrksx | I very often echo rm -rf <some stuff> before actually ecexuting rm |
| 11:19.02 | wrksx | so that I can see it printed a second time |
| 11:19.38 | cheapie | Usually, if I'm going to write a for loop to run some command on a bunch of files, I'll put "echo" in front and make sure it's doing what I want before actually running it. |
| 11:19.40 | Iridos | wimps! |
| 11:20.12 | TinkerTiger | takes notes. |
| 11:20.38 | TinkerTiger | It's a good idea for teaching. I don't know what my Linux textbook will look like next fall. |
| 11:20.56 | cheapie | As in 'for i in *.webm; do echo ffmpeg -i "$i" -c:a "copy ${i::-5}.opus"; done' or whatever |
| 11:20.57 | Iridos | because you accidentally it? |
| 11:21.09 | cheapie | 'for i in *.webm; do echo ffmpeg -i "$i" -c:a copy "${i::-5}.opus"; done'* |
| 11:21.19 | Iridos | cheapie, yeah, but everyone does that |
| 11:21.42 | cheapie | Meh, I've been burned before by *not* doing it :P |
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| 11:22.38 | TinkerTiger | I've never done it, but I've always worked on copies of the files I was working on. I have deleted things I really needed before so copy is my friend. |
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| 11:25.52 | Stevko | try putting ./ in front of every * (for i in ./*.webm) |
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| 11:26.12 | Stevko | Helps with filenames starting with - |
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| 12:01.39 | RoyK | cheapie: oh - I didn't know that "${i::-5}.something" thing in bash :) |
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| 12:06.45 | Nothing4You | what's the recommended way to get eth0 back? |
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| 12:07.45 | Nothing4You | i'm trying to avoid config breaking when a vm might have its interfaces removed / added again |
| 12:08.22 | cheapie | Adding net.ifnames=0 to the kernel command line is probably easiest. |
| 12:08.30 | cheapie | More information here: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 12:08.41 | cheapie | See the "I don't like this, how do I disable this?" section. |
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| 12:09.03 | Nothing4You | thanks |
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| 12:09.39 | Nothing4You | i guess udev masking is the easiest option for preseed handling |
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| 12:54.32 | bipul | Is it possible to assign a different IP address inside chroot ? |
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| 12:55.15 | greycat | No. Interfaces are shared. |
| 12:55.53 | greycat | You can assign multiple IPs to the interface, and then simply *choose* to use one IP inside and the other outside, but it is not enforceable. |
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| 12:57.30 | bipul | What do you mean here enforceable? |
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| 12:57.51 | greycat | You can't prevent a program that's running chrooted from using the "wrong" IP. |
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| 12:58.24 | bipul | Okay thank you. |
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| 13:01.49 | themill | assumes there is unshare(1) magic that can now do that |
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| 13:12.27 | no_gravity | Hey guys, what's the best way to format a 32 GB usb stick under Debian? |
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| 13:13.21 | jolt | no_gravity: Depends on the filesystem you want :D |
| 13:13.34 | no_gravity | No idea. I just need the stick to transfer a file. |
| 13:13.37 | greycat | The question is too ambiguous to answer. |
| 13:13.47 | greycat | Oh, you're not installing Debian ONTO the stick. |
| 13:13.50 | jolt | no_gravity: To another linux system? Or to windows? Osx? something else? |
| 13:13.56 | greycat | OK. If you're just using it for sneakernetting data, I suggest vfat. |
| 13:13.58 | no_gravity | jolt: To another linux system. |
| 13:14.10 | rabbitear_sdf | I think its pretty clear |
| 13:14.19 | no_gravity | greycat: greycat mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb? |
| 13:14.32 | jolt | no_gravity: install dosfstools and read up on mkfs.vfat |
| 13:14.37 | greycat | rabbitear_sdf: My first thought was literally "He's installing Debian onto the stick and he wants to know how big to make each partition." |
| 13:14.39 | no_gravity | I wonder if that thing has a partition table. |
| 13:15.04 | jolt | dpkg: vfat |
| 13:15.04 | dpkg | it has been said that vfat is a very fat 32-bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for information on getting write access for regular users, ask me about <vfatrw>, or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it. |
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| 13:15.07 | rabbitear_sdf | greycat: well, I think its pretty clear |
| 13:15.08 | no_gravity | Can't I just use gparted to make a partition table and format a partition? |
| 13:15.15 | greycat | no_gravity: yes |
| 13:15.31 | no_gravity | gparted says "Invalid partition table - recursive partition on /dev/sdb." |
| 13:15.38 | jolt | no_gravity: You can, but as always, there is more than one way to do it |
| 13:15.53 | no_gravity | What type of partition table would I make? |
| 13:15.55 | no_gravity | msdos? |
| 13:16.05 | greycat | Yeah, no need for gpt here. |
| 13:16.08 | no_gravity | ok |
| 13:16.12 | jolt | no_gravity: fat32 |
| 13:16.29 | jolt | (or just so I emember, could be fatsomethingelse now) |
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| 13:16.39 | pingfloyd | no_gravity: what I do when a usb stick acts up like that is remove all partitions on it and create a fresh partition table and partition the entire size. |
| 13:16.50 | rabbitear_sdf | fat32 is the answer? |
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| 13:17.18 | no_gravity | So what I did now is that I told gparted to create a msdos partition table and put a fat32 32GB partition into it. |
| 13:17.21 | pingfloyd | from there dd or whatever you want to do with it (say change the partition layout etc) should work without problems. |
| 13:17.33 | rabbitear_sdf | I think in current partition software, fat32 does not exist |
| 13:18.03 | no_gravity | "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb" resulted in a 30G thingy in the output of "mount". |
| 13:18.11 | no_gravity | Let's copy the files... |
| 13:18.54 | rabbitear_sdf | you will never find another parition label <- nice, saying that it is fat32 because of fat people, just kidding, its because they FUD you with Windows Service Drives language |
| 13:19.29 | rabbitear_sdf | I actually do not like how they hide 'fat32' and 'fat16' etc |
| 13:19.38 | no_gravity | Is there a 'cp -r" like command that tells you the estimated time? |
| 13:19.56 | rabbitear_sdf | no_gravity: time |
| 13:20.06 | no_gravity | rabbitear_sdf: That would tell me the time afterwards. |
| 13:20.11 | jolt | no_gravity: nope. You could use rsync to see how fast the transfer is going (rsync -aP foo bar) |
| 13:20.13 | no_gravity | I would like to know how long it *will* take. |
| 13:20.40 | rabbitear_sdf | like pv |
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| 13:20.49 | greycat | Even after the cp believes it has finished, the flushing of the buffers to the USB device will take even longer. |
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| 13:20.52 | rabbitear_sdf | 'pipe' 'view' pv ? |
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| 13:20.54 | jolt | no_gravity: It depends on how fast usb tranfer you have. So it's complicated :D |
| 13:21.27 | shtrb|laptop | Am I the only one who need to remind that you need to specfiy to be a FAT32 and the default might be FAT16 ? |
| 13:21.27 | rabbitear_sdf | jolt: why? |
| 13:21.40 | jolt | no_gravity: Also, most progressbars lies, so it doesn't matter anyway. But use rsync (or pv), and you will see the througput, then you can use that together with the filesize to figure out how long it takes |
| 13:21.43 | rabbitear_sdf | jolt: are you trying measure speed? |
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| 13:22.49 | jolt | rabbitear_sdf: I'm not trying to do anything. Just explaining that knowing how long something will take is always a guesstimate |
| 13:23.04 | rabbitear_sdf | jolt: pv is just fun, usually your stream in buffered, so it doesn't really know, it just guesses |
| 13:23.22 | rabbitear_sdf | jolt: yes! |
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| 13:23.41 | rabbitear_sdf | jolt: ^5 for you saying that at the same time |
| 13:24.10 | rabbitear_sdf | we can move on now |
| 13:24.16 | no_gravity | Accoriding to "du -h" 2.4G have been copied so far. |
| 13:24.30 | no_gravity | But the first 1.5G happened almost immediately. |
| 13:24.34 | greycat | Buffering. |
| 13:24.40 | no_gravity | So I think that was just buffering. |
| 13:24.40 | no_gravity | Yeah |
| 13:25.08 | no_gravity | Maybe I should put the stick into a USB-3 Port |
| 13:25.14 | jolt | no_gravity: That is why progressbar lies. Also, a writeable medium is always non-linear in speed |
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| 13:25.23 | rabbitear_sdf | buffering seems to be the WORD OF THE DAY HERE! |
| 13:25.37 | jolt | no_gravity: Also, rsync directly to the other host is always faster :) |
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| 13:25.48 | no_gravity | jolt: 'to the other host'? |
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| 13:26.03 | no_gravity | I have the feeling it writes about 100MB every 30 seconds. |
| 13:26.11 | greycat | To the host that you are going to stick the USB device into to copy the data over. |
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| 13:26.19 | no_gravity | Then it would take 200*0.5 = 100 minutes. Urgs. |
| 13:26.33 | no_gravity | greycat: How? Via telephatic channels? |
| 13:26.41 | greycat | Usually via an ethernet. |
| 13:26.54 | greycat | Except you kiddies and your wifis make that less of a sure thing these days. |
| 13:26.59 | no_gravity | greycat: Guess I would need cables and usb ports then. |
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| 13:27.08 | rabbitear_sdf | via alisa |
| 13:27.12 | no_gravity | Over my wifi it would take 4 hours. |
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| 13:27.48 | jolt | ip2fax |
| 13:27.50 | rabbitear_sdf | aliza |
| 13:28.12 | no_gravity | Let's see if the USB-3 port is faster... |
| 13:28.25 | rabbitear_sdf | and I got your list of phone numbers you can use |
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| 13:28.42 | no_gravity | Maybe cp -r is slow? |
| 13:28.47 | no_gravity | Should I rsync instead? |
| 13:28.55 | rabbitear_sdf | no_gravity: no |
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| 13:29.15 | greycat | You should always use rsync, because it will intelligently copy only the missing bits instead of ALL the bits. |
| 13:29.17 | rabbitear_sdf | rsync..... will take lots of time in the front terying to figure out what it should do |
| 13:29.31 | rabbitear_sdf | no_gravity: just let it cp |
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| 13:29.48 | jolt | rabbitear_sdf: Faster than figuring out how to format and create a vfat filesystem, just saying |
| 13:29.52 | amprxc | hello |
| 13:29.53 | rabbitear_sdf | no_gravity: you can cp -nr for no clobbler later |
| 13:30.02 | no_gravity | rabbitear_sdf: What's that? |
| 13:30.20 | greycat | you're actually LISTENING to rabbitear_sdf? at this point? why? |
| 13:30.22 | rabbitear_sdf | jolt: good, and I forgot what I was talking about |
| 13:30.36 | rabbitear_sdf | no_gravity: I forgot a\wh\\\at, I was talking about |
| 13:30.37 | no_gravity | The USB-3 Port seems to be just as slow. |
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| 13:31.34 | no_gravity | Well, I'll just let it run. |
| 13:31.52 | rabbitear_sdf | its that rsync takes a long time to compute what is going on before it copies |
| 13:33.08 | amprxc | hello, i have a question : i would like to use the preseed.cfg so as to partitioning my discs. I would like that all except /boot/ go on /dev/sda. How can i do that ? |
| 13:33.11 | dionysus69 | what's the difference between: user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 13:33.17 | dionysus69 | and ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 13:33.25 | greycat | isn't it obvious? |
| 13:33.52 | dionysus69 | so it gives sudo priviledge and doesnt even ask for password? |
| 13:34.13 | rabbitear_sdf | dionysus69: the sudoers manpage is hard to read |
| 13:34.15 | greycat | Assuming that's the correct syntax, yes. The syntax is ridiculously stupid. |
| 13:34.16 | dionysus69 | is it good practice? even if i can only access VM through rsa ssh key |
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| 13:34.45 | rabbitear_sdf | dionysus69: you should read it, and tell them how you feel about it |
| 13:35.16 | greycat | The man page is atrocious because it's trying to describe the syntax which is atrocious. |
| 13:35.19 | rabbitear_sdf | dionysus69: bunch of bastards |
| 13:35.41 | dionysus69 | dunno I didnt even try to read manpage such a simple thing |
| 13:35.43 | dionysus69 | for* |
| 13:35.52 | dionysus69 | I would take an hour to find what I need |
| 13:36.09 | dionysus69 | but anyways |
| 13:36.12 | rabbitear_sdf | or fuzz the input |
| 13:36.13 | dionysus69 | is it good practice? |
| 13:36.17 | rabbitear_sdf | and see what works |
| 13:36.21 | greycat | greybot says "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program" |
| 13:36.22 | dionysus69 | even if I have secure ssh connection to it |
| 13:36.28 | greycat | That is all I know. |
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| 13:38.02 | rabbitear_sdf | dionysus69: stop mixing protocols together |
| 13:38.08 | rabbitear_sdf | dionysus69: now |
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| 13:39.35 | jolt | dionysus69: If it's a single user machine, then might be ok. If it's a multiuser system, well, depends on company policies or whatnot. If you ever copy/paste some code which asks for sudo, and then executes the code without you knowing what it does, well, if that's good or bad is really up to you... |
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| 13:40.02 | dionysus69 | I am talking about a cloud VM |
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| 13:40.22 | dionysus69 | for hosting stuff on it with ssh and maybe one more port open |
| 13:40.31 | jolt | dionysus69: well. Have you ever copy/pasted something into that vm and never been concernd that a command is executed without password? |
| 13:40.59 | dionysus69 | no |
| 13:41.10 | jolt | dionysus69: if it's only your host and you run everything as root, well, then NOPASSWD won't matter anyway. And since it's only for logged in users, it's really just up to you |
| 13:41.32 | dionysus69 | but then if someone gets temporary access to it for various reasons, let's say even from my own client pc, the attacker than can run sudo stuff without password too right? |
| 13:41.41 | jolt | dionysus69: exactly. |
| 13:41.47 | dionysus69 | no I don't use root user |
| 13:41.54 | rabbitear_sdf | I just think its a funny saying ''Don't let the manual hit you in the ass!'' |
| 13:42.01 | dionysus69 | even if it's my own VM or pc or whatever |
| 13:42.36 | dionysus69 | so to keep sudo password on is a good idea, even if I am the sole user |
| 13:42.40 | jolt | dionysus69: The question is: do you ever want to run system commands without etnering your password? |
| 13:42.46 | dionysus69 | is that the conclusion? :D I am just wondering about the conventions |
| 13:43.00 | dionysus69 | no, and if I do then I can switch to root user |
| 13:43.00 | jelly | dionysus69: it can be good practice if you provide access for specific users to run specific commands as other users |
| 13:43.19 | rabbitear_sdf | hey jelly |
| 13:43.32 | dionysus69 | well yea in that case I would create specific user for them and then let them run passwordless sudo on a specific program |
| 13:43.34 | jelly | eg. have web developers be able to edit apache config and restart just the web services and webapps |
| 13:43.35 | dionysus69 | not on everything |
| 13:43.45 | greycat | The main reason people use NOPASSWD in sudoers is because they want a SCRIPT (usually a cron job) to be able to do something. |
| 13:43.50 | rabbitear_sdf | jelly: my new favorit saying ''don't let the manual hit you in the ass!'' |
| 13:43.56 | jolt | jelly: Yeah, I would never let that happen! :D |
| 13:44.40 | dionysus69 | I am using system cron anyway |
| 13:44.48 | rabbitear_sdf | lol |
| 13:45.02 | dionysus69 | user specific cron is a headache |
| 13:45.13 | rabbitear_sdf | dionysus69: no |
| 13:45.18 | rabbitear_sdf | dionysus69: not really |
| 13:45.44 | dionysus69 | I dont like systemctl commands which need --user |
| 13:45.50 | rabbitear_sdf | yes |
| 13:45.50 | dionysus69 | systemd is confusing enough |
| 13:46.01 | rabbitear_sdf | I do not like systemd either |
| 13:46.07 | rabbitear_sdf | but it is always somewhere |
| 13:46.13 | rabbitear_sdf | so fuck it |
| 13:46.26 | dionysus69 | :D |
| 13:47.01 | rabbitear_sdf | you don't have to use it, ssssssssshhhhhhhhh!!!! |
| 13:47.07 | rabbitear_sdf | don't tell anybody |
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| 13:49.43 | dionysus69 | ok I prefer entering a password rather risking a rare anomaly |
| 13:50.34 | rabbitear_sdf | I prefer following what I wrote, instead of some magic black box |
| 13:51.55 | rabbitear_sdf | but those are the breaks |
| 13:52.12 | jelly | sure, go enter a password every hour |
| 13:52.34 | jelly | ... previously on Lost |
| 13:53.37 | rabbitear_sdf | Lost is a too old show |
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| 13:54.50 | rabbitear_sdf | freakin Found already! |
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| 13:58.30 | rabbitear_sdf | I'll ask your questions for you ,',',' how come nobody googles anything anymore? |
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| 14:00.37 | pingfloyd | because google sucks. long live DDG! |
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| 14:02.40 | rabbitear_sdf | LLDDG for real! too |
| 14:03.09 | rabbitear_sdf | its my mini girlfriend, duckduckgo |
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| 14:03.38 | rabbitear_sdf | DDG rocks, I'm sorry for the people that do not know |
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| 14:04.58 | pingfloyd | DDG is better for searching for tech stuff, and Bing is better at searching for porn. Google's got nothing anymore other than zombie mindshare. |
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| 14:07.05 | rabbitear_sdf | zombie mind share |
| 14:07.08 | Aebian | whats the recommended java package I should use for application like tomcat? |
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| 14:07.34 | rabbitear_sdf | Aebian: what do you mean? |
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| 14:08.33 | Aebian | well tomcat seems unable to use my unpacked oracle java from their website. So I thought there should be an easier way getting it to work |
| 14:09.18 | rabbitear_sdf | Aebian: don't let the manual hit you at the door |
| 14:09.38 | pingfloyd | apt-cache depends tomcat8 | grep Recommends |
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| 14:12.18 | rabbitear_sdf | I think I'm gonna try and follow you around from now on Aebian |
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| 14:13.18 | Aebian | well could be my script the cause? Thats my tomcat start script: https://gist.github.com/a6c8910f8f4174ac72dd96c89b2d6639 |
| 14:13.33 | Aebian | it always sais it cannot find /online/administration/runtime/jse |
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| 14:13.42 | Aebian | but clearly there is java in that folder |
| 14:14.44 | rabbitear_sdf | Aebian: do you have a link with less numbers and letters in it? |
| 14:15.23 | greycat | rabbitear_sdf: Consider this your first warning: you are not contributing anything to this channel at the moment. You are just spewing noise. Please stop. |
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| 14:15.37 | rabbitear_sdf | okay |
| 14:15.55 | rabbitear_sdf | greycat: I was trying to fit everything into my needs |
| 14:16.02 | rabbitear_sdf | greycat: I will stop |
| 14:16.05 | pingfloyd | how come you don't install default-jdk package? |
| 14:16.31 | pingfloyd | shouldn't even have to bother with oracle java |
| 14:16.47 | Aebian | well there is no reason why, so I'll try that instead |
| 14:16.54 | Aebian | thanks |
| 14:16.59 | jelly | Aebian: what does catalina.{out,err} say, if anything? |
| 14:17.13 | pingfloyd | they're pretty much identical except openjdk has a better license |
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| 14:17.51 | jelly | and some vendors deny support unless you're running their app with oracle's build |
| 14:18.23 | Aebian | jelly: only that java couldn't be found. But I'll check with the openjdk package and see if that changes (I guess yes) |
| 14:19.03 | pingfloyd | Aebian: just install default-jdk |
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| 14:19.12 | rabbitear_sdf | Aebian: you could try ENV varibles |
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| 14:19.44 | jelly | Aebian: weird. You got tomcat from apache tarball as well? |
| 14:20.29 | Aebian | jelly: exactly from the website, no package. pingfloyd just did, I will test now |
| 14:21.20 | jelly | Aebian: does PATH contain ${JAVA_HOME}/bin ? your init script does not set it, and neither does the upstream startup.sh or catalina.sh |
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| 14:22.10 | jelly | installing default-jdk would put a symlink for openjdk as /usr/bin/java |
| 14:22.30 | somiaj | in that init.d script, would a systemd unit maybe work better. Probably not the issue, but wouldn't su - <foo> clear a lot of the enviorment, including what was exported? |
| 14:23.27 | somiaj | ahh nevermind, guess the manpage clears this up, The current environment is passed to the new shell. |
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| 14:23.43 | jelly | oh right, our own custom init script for tomcat uses su $user -c ... |
| 14:23.45 | rabbitear_sdf | su - foo brings the eviorment of that user |
| 14:23.46 | jelly | without - |
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| 14:24.15 | somiaj | I'm unsure what sort of the enviorment is kept with that extra dash, just courious mostly. |
| 14:24.24 | jelly | or not. |
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| 14:24.28 | jelly | [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ] && SUCMD="/bin/su - tomcat -c" || SUCMD= |
| 14:24.29 | rabbitear_sdf | su foo, you have the same env |
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| 14:24.49 | greycat | jelly: ewwwww. |
| 14:25.17 | greycat | jelly: but you'd also have to quote-ify the entire command that follows $SUCMD somehow... |
| 14:25.19 | jelly | greycat: developer sometimes forgets to sudo sometimes not |
| 14:25.36 | epsilon | is tehere any binary that actually doen't do anything and just quit on Ctrl-C? |
| 14:25.40 | jelly | greycat: of course, since that's how new su works anyway |
| 14:25.47 | jelly | since... squeeze? |
| 14:25.47 | epsilon | something like true, but wait until Ctrl-C... |
| 14:25.49 | greycat | epsilon: sleep 10000000000 is pretty close |
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| 14:26.24 | jelly | greycat: [...] $SUCMD "$tomcat start" |
| 14:26.43 | greycat | jelly: I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying Debian's su permits: su - username -c sleep 100 without quotes? |
| 14:26.51 | jelly | now that I look at that it seems like that would be broken for user tomcat. |
| 14:27.00 | jelly | greycat: it does not, but used to |
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| 14:27.44 | jelly | I mean it permits it, but won't do what is wanted |
| 14:28.01 | greycat | jelly: perhaps what you want is more like sucmd() { if test -w /; then "$@"; else /bin/su - tomcat -c "$*"; fi; } # and that is STILL HORRIBLE |
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| 14:28.44 | greycat | err, other way around |
| 14:28.54 | greycat | switch the then/else |
| 14:29.02 | jelly | greycat: there are restrictions on what's allowed as "$@" so it doesn't matter |
| 14:29.05 | rabbitear_sdf | greycat: if test is strange to me, but I suppose that works |
| 14:29.32 | jelly | and if it fails to work when user runs with stupid params, I don't care |
| 14:29.47 | greycat | I prefer test over [ when writing code that humans are supposed to understand, because then people don't think that [ is some magic shell syntax character. They can actually see a command named "test" and realize "oh, this is a command". |
| 14:30.12 | jelly | humans don't edit that init script, sysadmins do |
| 14:30.15 | rabbitear_sdf | lol ok |
| 14:30.15 | greycat | People who see "if [ blah ]" think that [ is not a command, but a shell syntax character. [ is a command. IT's confusing as fuck. |
| 14:30.59 | rabbitear_sdf | greycat: has a point |
| 14:31.01 | greycat | (and then ksh & bash went and made a [[ command with magical powers and syntax-breaking exceptions to rules...) |
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| 14:31.09 | rabbitear_sdf | in bash .. I think |
| 14:31.16 | jelly | [ blah ] && yes || no looks even more like weird syntax but it also looks more like a command |
| 14:31.21 | greycat | man [ |
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| 14:31.28 | pingfloyd | it's not confusing if you know bash well |
| 14:31.41 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#pf22 |
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| 14:32.52 | jelly | the next iteration, if it happens, will be a systemd unit anyway |
| 14:33.05 | rabbitear_sdf | LOL!!!!! |
| 14:33.34 | Iridos | pingfloyd, it's not confusing, if you have already been confused by it many times over, so you now know that it's weird, but are not confused by it anymore? |
| 14:34.11 | rabbitear_sdf | jelly: thankhyou, know I can drink the rest of my beer, comfirmed stutations |
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| 14:36.23 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 14:36.23 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 14:36.37 | pingfloyd | in regards to pf22. That's why you should using like { foo && bar; } || baz if you need beyond just if/then (without else) logic and want to do it in that format. |
| 14:37.21 | pingfloyd | Iridos: like that with any language though |
| 14:38.34 | Iridos | I was going to add: unlike ANY other thing in the universe :-} |
| 14:39.56 | greycat | pingfloyd: or just use "if" like a sane person who isn't trying to write line-noise or golf |
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| 14:41.22 | bleb | any place i can get more info on the dropping of kfreebsd? |
| 14:41.30 | bleb | i found this mail https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
| 14:41.42 | bleb | "We discussed kfreebsd at length, but are not satisfied that a |
| 14:41.42 | bleb | release with Jessie will be of sufficient quality. We are dropping |
| 14:41.42 | bleb | it as an official release architecture, though we do hope that the |
| 14:41.43 | bleb | porters will be able to make a simultaneous unofficial release." |
| 14:41.58 | jelly | bleb: the situation has not changed |
| 14:42.11 | jelly | it's still unofficial |
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| 14:42.45 | bleb | jelly: i was wondering about the reasoning behind dropping it in the first place |
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| 14:43.28 | jelly | bleb: typically and architecture is omitted from supported list when it's not good enough; either too many missing builds, or known to be unstable |
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| 14:43.51 | bleb | "it's not ready" would normally be a reason to delay the release and get it ready |
| 14:43.52 | jelly | one can still install it, but there's no official support and security team doesn't have to care |
| 14:44.00 | rabbitear_sdf | vim might be going into systemd soon |
| 14:44.07 | jelly | !slap rabbitear_sdf |
| 14:44.08 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across rabbitear_sdf's face |
| 14:44.21 | rabbitear_sdf | :> sry |
| 14:44.40 | jelly | bleb: sure, if there's reason to expect things would be fixed soon |
| 14:45.08 | bleb | so what changed between wheezy and jessie that made kernel agnosticism unrealistic? |
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| 14:45.22 | bleb | did they see this coming or was it just like "woah we haven't done any work on kfreebsd, oops" |
| 14:45.24 | jelly | someone has to do the work |
| 14:46.00 | jelly | and honestly noone cares about freebsd + glibc setup other than Debian |
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| 14:46.45 | rabbitear_sdf | I think my x230 is getting freebsd soon, because.... |
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| 14:47.20 | bleb | jelly: so the people who had previously done the work for wheezy kfreebsd stopped doing the work? |
| 14:47.27 | jelly | rabbitear_sdf: dude, please keep it to support questions or answers in here, chat goes to #debian-offtopic |
| 14:47.40 | petn-randall | rabbitear_sdf: Again, this is not a general chat channel. Try keep the noise down. There are plenty of chat channels elsewhere. |
| 14:47.41 | jelly | bleb: or there's more work |
| 14:48.00 | rabbitear_sdf | jelly: sorry, I'll talk in offtopic then |
| 14:48.10 | bleb | does anyone have more info about why there would be more work or fewer people doing the work? |
| 14:48.11 | jelly | bleb: I have no idea, but that's not the only obscure arch with not enough people to care about it |
| 14:48.23 | bleb | kfreebsd is not an arch is it |
| 14:48.31 | jelly | it's two arches |
| 14:48.40 | jelly | 32bit one and 64bit one :-) |
| 14:48.56 | bleb | ok |
| 14:48.56 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 14:48.56 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures since Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:50.04 | bleb | maybe some folks in #debian-kbsd will have more info |
| 14:50.08 | bleb | thanks anyway |
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| 14:51.07 | jelly | yes |
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| 14:53.10 | Aebian | pingfloyd: thank you, it worked with the openjdk |
| 14:54.14 | jelly | bleb: but more importantly, where's my x32 installer?!!? :-) |
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| 14:54.40 | jelly | now with smaller pointers! More registers! More efficiency! |
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| 14:55.48 | jelly | kfreebsd is in aso much better shape, you can probably debootstrap it from freebsd or grab a sid root tarball |
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| 14:58.55 | karlpinc | Any clues on how to write a procmail recipe that deals with wrapped header lines? |
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| 15:00.36 | bleb | what does "official support" even really mean? |
| 15:00.59 | bleb | do donations to the debian foundation go towards funding development of official projects? |
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| 15:01.18 | greycat | !spi |
| 15:01.18 | dpkg | Software in the Public Interest (SPI) is the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects. http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
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| 15:02.28 | jelly | bleb: roughly "we will have a working bootable iso image at release team, and security team will build patches for this arch", and all the infrastructure to make that work |
| 15:02.30 | AliceKelly | good morning |
| 15:02.34 | jelly | release time* |
| 15:02.56 | bleb | ic |
| 15:05.29 | jelly | if unofficial, builds of security fixes are done anyway but FTBFS does not stop patches for other architectures and DSA from going out |
| 15:05.36 | themill | working installer, compiler, toolchain. |
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| 15:05.59 | themill | and most importantly people actually doing work on it, not just talking about how someone else should do so |
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| 15:06.53 | jelly | bleb: but I bet a steady $2000 a month would give you one extra dev for kfreebsd if you asked nicely! |
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| 15:32.45 | Kian | Hi I would like to know the meaning of [Security] tag found in this site: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/redmine |
| 15:33.01 | greycat | ,v redmine |
| 15:33.03 | judd | Package: redmine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.4+dfsg1-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 2.5.1-2~bpo70+6; jessie-security: 3.0~20140825-8~deb8u2; jessie: 3.0~20140825-8~deb8u4; stretch: 3.3.1-4; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.3.1-4+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.3.1-4+deb9u1; sid: 3.4.5-1 |
| 15:33.15 | greycat | stretch-security has a newer version than stretch |
| 15:33.19 | greycat | that's probably what it means |
| 15:33.55 | Kian | ok, so it doesn't mean that there is any security vulnerabilities coming with this package? |
| 15:36.06 | ksk | Kian: it means that the security team (and not the package maintainer) fixed a security bug in that package. |
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| 15:36.20 | karlpinc | Kian: Depends. They may or may not be disclosed. Regardless, packages go through the debian build and testing process to make sure that you don't install something broken because of a security fix. If you really care you could look at the CVE database. If it's a serious security problem it gets sped through testing. (I think.) |
| 15:36.52 | karlpinc | Kian: I don't really know any details of the process. |
| 15:37.24 | Kian | alright, thanks for the info Karl |
| 15:37.51 | ksk | Kian: you could further assume that -known- security issues would be listed here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=redmine;dist=unstable with a high priority |
| 15:38.10 | karlpinc | Kian: All I know is that there's always security fixes in the pipeline. That's how we get security updates. |
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| 15:38.26 | ksk | I dont ever check if there is a security issue with $package before installing. might not be the best approach though ;) |
| 15:38.44 | ksk | and yes, security is a moving target. |
| 15:38.59 | jelly | ksk: you can apt-listbugs to do it at installation time |
| 15:39.34 | ksk | jelly: ah yes, been using that on my testing box now you mention it :) |
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| 16:05.29 | ChunkyPuffs | Anybody up now? |
| 16:05.57 | ChunkyPuffs | I really need some help with an old pc, really tried just about everything, old asus EEEPc, can't get i915/g45/pineview video accel working at all. |
| 16:06.25 | ChunkyPuffs | Debian article recommends Squeeze, and says it works flawlessly on Squeeze, however I obviously couldn't get that now if I tried. |
| 16:06.45 | greycat | !archive |
| 16:06.46 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 16:06.46 | ChunkyPuffs | All versions of debian have this issue, even arch has this issue, fedora too, seems software has forgotten this hardware. |
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| 16:07.08 | greycat | Maybe the hardware just sucks. |
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| 16:07.25 | ChunkyPuffs | How dare you say that about something that a large Debian article was written about lol. |
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| 16:07.35 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: how much RAM does that thing have? |
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| 16:07.48 | ChunkyPuffs | 1GB ddr2 single channel, expandable to 4gb. |
| 16:07.57 | ChunkyPuffs | so debian is one of the few distros that actually netboots over pxe lmao. |
| 16:08.05 | jelly | try wheezy. |
| 16:08.11 | jelly | (debian 7) |
| 16:08.14 | ChunkyPuffs | I've tried all Debian versions, they don't work. |
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| 16:08.24 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: how do they fail |
| 16:08.26 | ChunkyPuffs | Debian 9 works flawlessly, just no video accel, nor on any of the others. |
| 16:08.43 | ChunkyPuffs | just video accel, libva, give me a sec. |
| 16:08.57 | ChunkyPuffs | relevant keywords: i915, g45, intel pineview |
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| 16:09.14 | ChunkyPuffs | "Intel video i915_drv_video.so fails to load" https://bugs.debian.org/704801 |
| 16:09.15 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/704801 in i965-va-driver (closed, help, moreinfo): «i965-va-driver: Intel video i915_drv_video.so fails to load»; severity: important; opened: 2013-04-06; last modified: 2014-06-15. |
| 16:09.17 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: what does "vainfo" say |
| 16:09.20 | ChunkyPuffs | that |
| 16:09.31 | ChunkyPuffs | all bug reports are a loose end, closed because nothing was resolved |
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| 16:12.06 | rabbitear_sdf | ChunkyPuffs: offer a fix |
| 16:12.30 | ChunkyPuffs | I'm not someone who is capable of offering a fix. |
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| 16:12.39 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: okay, what does "glxinfo|grep -C1 Vendor" say? |
| 16:12.41 | ChunkyPuffs | https://pastebin.com/raw/7dTee3R3 |
| 16:14.09 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: you can ask upstream people if they still care about and can help with i965 / G45 in #intel-gfx channel |
| 16:14.16 | ChunkyPuffs | i915 |
| 16:14.22 | ChunkyPuffs | not i965 |
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| 16:14.29 | jelly | oh it's not even i965? |
| 16:14.39 | ChunkyPuffs | well the problem is I can't do anything with this thing if I can't get video accel |
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| 16:14.46 | jelly | well then va for i965 won't work will it |
| 16:14.51 | rabbitear_sdf | ChunkyPuffs: that driver is the same, but you could ask |
| 16:15.05 | ChunkyPuffs | oh hey you're right |
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| 16:15.19 | ChunkyPuffs | maybe I'm misreading something, but i965 and i915 have been slurring together in my head |
| 16:15.33 | ChunkyPuffs | anyway, that's how debian installs by default from 7 - 9 |
| 16:15.41 | ChunkyPuffs | how can I tell it to not use i965? |
| 16:15.45 | rabbitear_sdf | ChunkyPuffs: really that is the same driver |
| 16:16.36 | ChunkyPuffs | oh nvm, this is wrong, completely wrong. |
| 16:16.37 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: people used to put minipci/minipcie crystalhd video decoders in netbooks from that age to be able to decode divx and h264 720p, 1080p |
| 16:16.47 | ChunkyPuffs | Headless, vainfo produces i965, on the system it produces i915 |
| 16:16.58 | jelly | you can't tell it to use a driver for a different chip |
| 16:17.50 | ChunkyPuffs | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1005P |
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| 16:19.07 | rabbitear_sdf | I have a few eeepc's and those drivers are all the same |
| 16:19.20 | rabbitear_sdf | i915 |
| 16:19.28 | ChunkyPuffs | right, I've never had an issue like this before, so my knowledge of what to do is limited. |
| 16:19.32 | ChunkyPuffs | Do I need a backport or something? |
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| 16:20.49 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: the docs suggest your hardware just does not decode mpeg4 or h264 |
| 16:21.00 | rabbitear_sdf | ChunkyPuffs: I'm on thin ice, but how do you know there is no accelerated video |
| 16:21.04 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:21.16 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: https://01.org/sites/default/files/documentation/g45_vol_2_3dmedia_0.pdf chapter 10 |
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| 16:21.47 | ChunkyPuffs | Well I'm pretty sure it worked fine on Win7 |
| 16:21.58 | ChunkyPuffs | youtube and stuff like that worked fine on Win7 |
| 16:22.04 | jelly | possibly in software, or assisted |
| 16:22.17 | rabbitear_sdf | jelly: you can re-encode your videos, to a less cpu intestive encoding |
| 16:22.47 | rabbitear_sdf | sorry ChunkyPuffs, not jelly |
| 16:22.53 | jelly | encoding takes a LOT more resources than decoding |
| 16:23.25 | ChunkyPuffs | It's not about that, it's about having a usable system |
| 16:23.30 | ChunkyPuffs | you know, for web browsing |
| 16:23.33 | rabbitear_sdf | yeah, but after done, can watch the video without stopping |
| 16:23.35 | ChunkyPuffs | like it was in win7, |
| 16:23.42 | ChunkyPuffs | the way it apparently was in squeeze |
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| 16:23.53 | tijeretas__ | re-encoding videos on an eeepc, lol! I'd rather suggest using mpv to play youtube and let it read the 480p link from youtube directly. |
| 16:23.54 | ChunkyPuffs | What you're suggesting is silly. |
| 16:24.08 | ChunkyPuffs | that's like using gento on an atom processor |
| 16:24.13 | ChunkyPuffs | gentoo* |
| 16:24.17 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: also, the browser you use might not know how to use acceleration on that particular system. Pick a video, install mpv and youtube-dl, see if "mpv URL_HERE" works better |
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| 16:24.28 | ChunkyPuffs | hmm, sure |
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| 16:24.36 | jelly | ninjad! |
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| 16:25.01 | rabbitear_sdf | youtube-dl is pretty good |
| 16:25.15 | jelly | ,v youtube-dl |
| 16:25.16 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2017.05.18.1-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; buster: 2018.04.25-1; sid: 2018.04.25-1; buster-multimedia: 2018.05.18-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2018.05.18-dmo1 |
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| 16:25.47 | tijeretas__ | I use qutebrowser and call a script from it that opens the current youtube video in mpv |
| 16:25.47 | rabbitear_sdf | 'pip install youtube-dl' :) |
| 16:25.47 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: but get yt-dl from upstream, the one in stretch might be too old |
| 16:26.09 | hypn0 | make a front end, its even better :-) |
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| 16:26.58 | dionysus69 | pulse audio is driving me mad |
| 16:27.18 | dionysus69 | once in a while system sound happens and the volume of let's say, clementine drops from 100 to 50% |
| 16:27.33 | dionysus69 | then I have to manually open up the volume controller and put it back to 100% |
| 16:27.37 | dionysus69 | how the hell do I fix this |
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| 16:28.40 | hypn0 | when you find out, tell me :-) |
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| 16:29.25 | tijeretas__ | dionysus69: Pulseaudio never automatically sets volume for me, so I wonder if this isn't a behaviour from whatever plays the system sounds? |
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| 16:30.29 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs, rabbitear_sdf: I wouldn't go with pip, just download "youtube-dl" from http://yt-dl.org/ and put it somewhere in PATH |
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| 16:31.08 | jelly | dionysus69: keep a pavucontrol window open someplace |
| 16:31.23 | hypn0 | theres a deb isn't there :-/ |
| 16:31.39 | hypn0 | in repo |
| 16:31.43 | jelly | for what |
| 16:31.54 | hypn0 | youtube-dl |
| 16:32.02 | jelly | yes |
| 16:32.24 | jelly | it's old and web sites change APIs all the time |
| 16:32.57 | jelly | you can backport or use upstream's executable bundle |
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| 16:33.01 | hypn0 | maybe that's why mine isn't working properly :-O |
| 16:33.02 | tijeretas__ | a terribly outdated version, yes. sadly, websites change APIs almost daily. that's why it's best to have youtube-dl from their website inside $HOME/bin or something and just manually update it with youtube-dl (the debian package has manual update disabled) |
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| 16:33.26 | jelly | there's a fourth option that I won't mention in here |
| 16:33.34 | ChunkyPuffs | https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/chromium-vaapi/ |
| 16:33.40 | ChunkyPuffs | eh.. how can I grab this for debian without compiling |
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| 16:34.57 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: by asking someone else to compile it |
| 16:34.59 | jelly | hides |
| 16:35.27 | ChunkyPuffs | jelly, hi can you compile chromium for me on your 128 thread megabeast? |
| 16:35.45 | jelly | I haven't tried, so no idea whether I can do it! |
| 16:36.20 | jhutchins_wk | ChunkyPuffs: Why not go ahead and build it yourself? |
| 16:36.33 | jhutchins_wk | !uupdate |
| 16:36.34 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 16:36.45 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: I'd estimate the work at 2 hours minimum, and it's cheaper to buy a sandybridge 2011 laptop than to pay me to do it |
| 16:37.48 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: they have a 1GiB netbook. I dare you to try building ANYTHING with chromium in the name on that. |
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| 16:38.54 | webuser5224 | Is the swap partition encrypted if one chooses the option "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" in the graphical Debian installer? |
| 16:39.12 | jelly | echo "int main() { return 0; }" > truechromium.c && make truechromium # not allowed |
| 16:39.28 | jelly | webuser5224: yes |
| 16:39.48 | jelly | if you actually tell the partitioning thing to create a swap LV |
| 16:40.03 | webuser5224 | jelly, thanks! I wasn't completely sure, but it also showed me the encrypted volume having the size of root and swap combined |
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| 16:41.54 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: oh sorry, the docs actually say H.264 is supported |
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| 16:52.07 | ChunkyPuffs | jelly, getting much better FPS in mpv via youtube-dl |
| 16:52.17 | ChunkyPuffs | although it's more like 10fps |
| 16:52.20 | ChunkyPuffs | at least it's consistent |
| 16:52.31 | ChunkyPuffs | something is definitely broken |
| 16:53.40 | ChunkyPuffs | Running just fine in VLC it seems |
| 16:54.04 | ChunkyPuffs | yup jelly no dropped frames in VLC |
| 16:54.15 | ChunkyPuffs | Well, there are, just far less than MPV |
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| 16:56.28 | dionysus69 | jelly: really :D ? |
| 16:56.51 | ChunkyPuffs | Now how do I make chrome actually work with this hardware decoding |
| 16:57.40 | ChunkyPuffs | Actually, this is not at all hardware decoding, this is using up insane amounts of CPU :( |
| 16:57.48 | ChunkyPuffs | but vlc can actually software decode vid, so woo I guess |
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| 17:04.06 | Peyam | is the new ubuntu you dont have to write apt-get install but only apt install. is it the same in debian? |
| 17:04.30 | dionysus69 | ok one more thing I am using cloud init to set passwd for the user |
| 17:04.44 | greycat | Peyam: yes |
| 17:04.46 | dionysus69 | for that I am using mkpasswd --method=SHA-512 --rounds=4096 |
| 17:04.55 | babilen | Peyam: apt is very much a Debian thing and as Ubuntu is downstream they got this change too |
| 17:05.09 | Peyam | babilen, aah. cool |
| 17:05.12 | dionysus69 | but then the password on either root or the user aren't correct anyway. am I missing anything? |
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| 17:09.09 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: you can ask youtube-dl to give you a different quality stream instead of the best one |
| 17:09.22 | ChunkyPuffs | sure but va is supposed to be entirely possible |
| 17:09.32 | ChunkyPuffs | I'm not happy with a whole chunk of my processor's architecture not functioning |
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| 17:09.36 | ChunkyPuffs | https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/intel-vaapi-driver |
| 17:09.50 | ChunkyPuffs | a lot of these packages have disappeared since wheezy |
| 17:10.19 | jelly | just renamed |
| 17:10.31 | ChunkyPuffs | no..? |
| 17:10.36 | jelly | the i965-va-thing is the thing |
| 17:10.36 | ChunkyPuffs | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=intel-vaapi-driver |
| 17:10.38 | marino_ | Hello, I'm strugling to install Debian 9 on a storage volume through multipath. The Debian installer detects just the sdX devices, but not the mpathX. I tried to follow this wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/MultipathSupport) but no disks were detected by the Debian Installer using this option |
| 17:10.45 | ChunkyPuffs | so i965-va-driver is all of those in one? |
| 17:11.16 | jelly | it's what makes h264 decoding on my sandybridge work. |
| 17:11.52 | jelly | saves a whole 1°C of CPU temperature! |
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| 17:12.55 | karlpinc | marino_: What version of debian are you installing? (You can always drop to a command line and "do stuff" there with ctl-alt-fN.) |
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| 17:13.53 | bipul | Hello, Do anyone here has experienced installing PostgreSQL inside chroot. ? I have tried installing inside chroot via "apt-get install postgresql postgresql-contrib" but still unable to found postgres account inside it |
| 17:14.00 | marino_ | karlpinc: last version: 9.4. But if the Debian Installer isnt "seeing", is there anything I can do through CLI? |
| 17:14.15 | marino_ | I mean, seeing the devices |
| 17:14.17 | ChunkyPuffs | jelly, I believe it's trying to use i915 when it should be using i965 |
| 17:14.47 | karlpinc | marino_: Dunno. The other thing to try is using the unoffical installer with non-free firmware. That might (possibly) help. Don't really know what I'm doing here.... |
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| 17:15.34 | jelly | bipul: inside the chroot, follow these steps |
| 17:15.35 | karlpinc | marino_: At least from the command line you can easily get more info about what is seen, what drivers are loaded, etc. |
| 17:15.39 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 17:15.39 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:15.41 | marino_ | karlpinc: Yes, I'm already using the unofficial installer, as I need HBA Qlogic non-free firmware |
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| 17:15.52 | bipul | Yes jelly |
| 17:16.36 | bipul | Which step jelly ? |
| 17:16.44 | jelly | ALL THE STEPS |
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| 17:17.39 | bipul | You want me to execute those steps inside chroot? |
| 17:18.01 | karlpinc | bipul: If the problem is that the postgres account does not exist that means to me that the passwd file is not available to the chroot. (methinks an lxc container of some sort is less of a hassle than a chroot -- whatever.) |
| 17:18.06 | jim | jelly, someone should write a thing that runs all of 1,2 and 3, and pastebins them |
| 17:18.10 | karlpinc | bipul: Yes. inside the chroot. |
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| 17:18.41 | bipul | karlpinc, Oh yes. That could be the problem. |
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| 17:19.29 | jelly | jim: and automatically parse your pastebin outputs and screenshots of apt-get/apt/aptitude to find all the package names! |
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| 17:20.05 | karlpinc | wants a pony |
| 17:20.15 | jelly | !nopony jim |
| 17:20.15 | dpkg | jim: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
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| 17:20.32 | jim | or, the original script could separate out the package names |
| 17:20.39 | jelly | thanks, karlpinc. thinc. |
| 17:21.36 | jim | you'd run it as thething pkg1 pkg2 ... pkgN, and it could just write the package names at the top line |
| 17:22.32 | jelly | and preemptively log all dpkg and apt* output just in case it fails |
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| 17:23.26 | jelly | and magically connect the machine to the internet |
| 17:23.38 | jim | yes, and, it's logging of the dpkg etc output that's the main point |
| 17:24.05 | greycat | and reach through the screen, grab the user's mouse, move it over to the window where the output is, scroll up, look for the start of the error messages, highlight the start of the error messages with the mouse, then beep three times |
| 17:24.11 | karlpinc | And, it wouldn't need installation with apt either! |
| 17:24.34 | jim | that's a good point |
| 17:24.48 | jelly | :D>-< |
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| 17:25.42 | jim | I've historically had troubles understanding the material of totem pole 101... what does that mean? |
| 17:26.12 | ChunkyPuffs | just did apt install libva* -y |
| 17:26.13 | jelly | it's a reference to a bash.org entry |
| 17:26.14 | ChunkyPuffs | wish me luck |
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| 17:28.16 | jim | beep three times on the ceiling if yo want meeeeeeee... |
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| 17:30.49 | jelly | ChunkyPuffs: my gut feeling is this has been broken for a while, much like a bunch of other functionality for old intel gpu chips, and you might technically be able to get help from upstream if the chip is still supported and you're willing to invest in building kernels and drm/dri/mesa stack because they frown when someone says they have 4.9 |
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| 17:31.18 | ChunkyPuffs | but this is broken even on arch |
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| 17:31.28 | ChunkyPuffs | identically so |
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| 17:31.39 | jelly | good, then you have an OS with recent verisons of relevant software |
| 17:31.51 | ChunkyPuffs | right, but it's borked |
| 17:31.59 | jelly | oh noes |
| 17:33.05 | jelly | lurking in #intel-gfx to see still no questions asked |
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| 17:40.02 | marino_ | karlpinc: I entered $multipath -l in the command line and the device mpathX is listed, but the Debian Installer can't see. |
| 17:40.10 | marino_ | Any idea? |
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| 18:11.15 | hypn0 | blackbox is beautiful, is there a simple system tray for it |
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| 18:29.22 | jhutchins_wk | hypn0: There's been no release for 11 years, I doubt any of it is in debian |
| 18:30.02 | jhutchins_wk | hypn0: Apparently, I am wrong. |
| 18:30.14 | jhutchins_wk | ,v blackbox |
| 18:30.15 | judd | Package: blackbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.70.1-13; jessie: 0.70.1-23+deb8u1; stretch: 0.70.1-34; buster: 0.70.1-36; sid: 0.70.1-36 |
| 18:30.28 | nkuttler | hypn0: maybe try openbox? that one is still alive afaik |
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| 18:31.02 | greycat | if blackbox does what you want, then why is it a problem if it hasn't changed in 11 years? maybe it's finally Done. |
| 18:31.27 | greycat | as in Completed, not as in "dead" |
| 18:31.34 | hypn0 | I am on lxde debian with blackox+openbox, I like blackbox, lxde seems too much :-) |
| 18:31.51 | greycat | There is no such thing as "lxde debian". It's just Debian. |
| 18:32.07 | nkuttler | hypn0: fwiw, i used tint2 with openbox |
| 18:32.13 | hypn0 | I can live without a system tray :-) |
| 18:32.37 | greycat | I use fvwm. If there's been a new feature added in the last 11 years, I'm not aware of it, nor would I care about it. |
| 18:32.41 | hypn0 | I installed lxde debian :-/ |
| 18:32.55 | hypn0 | not standard debian |
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| 18:35.46 | hypn0 | it looks fine for a decade old wm :-) am runs quickly too |
| 18:36.29 | hypn0 | I just use gksudo for synaptic and a few others |
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| 18:37.01 | jhutchins_wk | hypn0: lxde debian IS standard debian. There's no difference in the OS, just a different desktop and some of the programs. |
| 18:37.26 | jhutchins_wk | hypn0: The same is true of xubuntu - it's just a different DE. You can install as many as you want on the same system. |
| 18:37.31 | hypn0 | some? a lot of extra lxde stuff it seems |
| 18:38.01 | hypn0 | I'm thinking of removing all the lxde stuff now :-) |
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| 18:38.22 | jhutchins_wk | Apparently blackbox is still being worked on on github: https://github.com/bbidulock/blackboxwm/tree/master - latest contribution in November. |
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| 18:38.49 | jhutchins_wk | The sourceforge page linked in the .deb file is gone though. |
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| 18:40.40 | hypn0 | there is lighter stuff, chart around middle endhttps://l3net.wordpress.com/2014/02/15/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops-part-3/ |
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| 18:41.08 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: but, does it actually *need* to be worked on? |
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| 18:41.24 | greycat | I've never used it, so I know nothing about it. |
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| 19:22.29 | jhutchins_wk | !cinnamon |
| 19:22.29 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 19:22.58 | Posterdati | hi |
| 19:23.49 | Posterdati | please I need help on 9.4 amd64: kde session in restore previous session took a lot of time to come up at login time. Thanks |
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| 19:29.53 | babilen | "apt install mariadb-server" |
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| 20:00.04 | karlpinc | I've an external drive who's absence should not prevent boot. Is there anything I need to do other than add "nofail" to the fstab line? |
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| 20:01.39 | karlpinc | Ah systemd.generator(7) says to run systemctl daemon-reload. (Although why is not clear, since it also says that the generators are run early in the boot process.) |
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| 20:02.03 | nekoseam | Will Debian 10 use Firefox ESR? |
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| 20:02.21 | annadane | very likely, yes |
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| 20:02.40 | nekoseam | arrgh |
| 20:04.15 | annadane | but you don't _have_ to use firefox esr, you can download the latest firefoxes from mozilla's site and extract it to its own directory, etc |
| 20:04.20 | annadane | wiki.debian.org/Firefox |
| 20:04.31 | annadane | i use waterfox myself, or there's other browsers you can use |
| 20:06.09 | nekoseam | Does Waterfox have its own repository for Debian? |
| 20:06.19 | nekoseam | Think that's off topic, sorry |
| 20:06.38 | annadane | it does not, no |
| 20:06.44 | annadane | AFAIK |
| 20:06.59 | annadane | i just downloaded it from its site and extracted it to its own folder in my home directory |
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| 20:07.34 | annadane | in any event, it's generally bad to use external repositories |
| 20:08.04 | greycat | Depends on how trustworthy they are, and whether they are known to be compatible with your release of Debian. |
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| 20:09.09 | annadane | well, right |
| 20:09.11 | annadane | "generally" |
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| 20:20.54 | bites | got any idea how to automate installation of oracle jdk 8 on debian? i really don't fancy having to download it regularly and make-jpkg. |
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| 20:26.37 | allan_wind | I recently started seeing the kernel hanging in ieee80211 stuff. Possible related to when I upgraded to 4.9.0-6 from 4.9.0.3. Any idea what information I could gather before a bug report? |
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| 20:29.14 | allan_wind | It hangs network stack, and sadc processses stack up which causes load to grow |
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| 20:30.03 | annadane | i wonder if this is related |
| 20:30.08 | annadane | !cve-2018-1108 |
| 20:30.08 | dpkg | somebody said cve-2018-1108 was a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot. Delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. Can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login, esp with LUKS enabled. Short term workarounds: Wiggle mouse/tap keyboard a lot, install rng-tools5 or haveged pkgs, or boot previous kernel |
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| 20:30.27 | annadane | probably not, sorry |
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| 20:38.19 | dionysus69 | zsh is the same as bash right? just for styling text? |
| 20:38.31 | allan_wind | no, zsh is a different type of shell |
| 20:38.41 | greycat | they have many things in common, and many differences |
| 20:38.49 | dionysus69 | is syntax different? |
| 20:38.56 | greycat | zsh has a lot more syntax |
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| 20:39.04 | dionysus69 | but includes all of bash right? |
| 20:39.13 | greycat | No, they are not 100% compatible. |
| 20:39.18 | dionysus69 | hmm damn it |
| 20:40.05 | dionysus69 | everything on internet is bash pretty much, so if I get zsh I still be able to run them right? it will still have bash shabang? |
| 20:40.25 | allan_wind | yes, if you have bash installed |
| 20:40.30 | greycat | If it's a SCRIPT, and if the shebang is #!/bin/bash or #!/usr/bin/env bash, then it will be run by bash, not by your interactive shell. |
| 20:40.43 | dionysus69 | ok ok roger that |
| 20:40.44 | greycat | Unless you do something dumb like typing "zsh thescript". |
| 20:41.01 | dionysus69 | thats great cause I found it's syntax highlighting to be quite cool |
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| 20:41.14 | dionysus69 | are there syntax highlighters for bash btw? |
| 20:41.21 | dionysus69 | if there are I wouldn't switch to zsh :D |
| 20:41.52 | greycat | I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you mean something actually *in* the interactive shell itself, or in some text editor, ..? |
| 20:42.05 | dionysus69 | I mean really, just the appearance |
| 20:42.08 | dionysus69 | like this https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/2618447/6316862/70f58fb6-ba03-11e4-82c9-c083bf9a6574.png |
| 20:42.19 | dionysus69 | keywords are in different colors so |
| 20:42.36 | dionysus69 | i dont think it's worth for me to switch from bash just for syntax highlighting |
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| 20:44.44 | greycat | That appears to be within the actual shell, not a text editor. So, no, bash does not "have" that. |
| 20:45.12 | dionysus69 | ok thanks greatgatsby |
| 20:45.19 | dionysus69 | greycat: * |
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| 21:21.51 | yuppie | hello folks, anyone here familiar with preseeding? |
| 21:22.08 | yuppie | i can't seem to get packages to install using a preseed file |
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| 21:22.43 | yuppie | my late_command doesn't seem to be getting run either |
| 21:23.20 | LtL | Question: Is it wise to downgrade a wifi driver from backports to stable. e.g. apt remove firmware-iwlwifi ; dpkg -i stable firmware-iwlwifi deb file? seems i lost speed with the backport. |
| 21:24.16 | greycat | If one of them works better than the other, use the one that works better. |
| 21:24.51 | LtL | greycat: i wont blow anything up right ;) |
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| 21:25.19 | greycat | Not at the Debian packaging level. |
| 21:25.20 | LtL | i've never downgraded anything |
| 21:25.35 | greycat | firmware packages have very few dependencies |
| 21:25.47 | LtL | greycat: cool, thanks man your the bomb |
| 21:25.49 | greycat | ,depends firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:25.50 | judd | Package firmware-iwlwifi in stretch/amd64 -- depends: . |
| 21:26.02 | greycat | ,rdepends firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:26.43 | greycat | hmm, maybe judd can't do that |
| 21:26.56 | LtL | looks good if judd isn't drinking or something |
| 21:27.29 | greycat | from a local "apt-cache showpkg firmware-iwlwifi", it's just "Reverse Depends: education-common,firmware-iwlwifi" |
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| 21:27.49 | greycat | so, basically nothing else on your system will know or care if your firmware-iwlwifi package version changes |
| 21:27.50 | LtL | ti think the only dependency is initramfs-tools |
| 21:28.13 | LtL | great, thanks i just wanted to check |
| 21:29.11 | LtL | i have no wire to fallback on, which sucks. |
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| 21:53.52 | s10gopal | i am going to install debian first time , is debian desktop env. good or i should choose kde ? amd r430 will work with debian 9.4 ? |
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| 21:58.08 | bites | s10gopal: debian desktop with nothing else selected will install gnome. don't know if you find that good or not. |
| 21:58.40 | s10gopal | bites, then which DE i should choose ? |
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| 21:59.09 | bites | that's up to you to decide. all of them work. |
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| 22:00.18 | Kelsar | s10gopal: look up some videos and use what you think looks nice |
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| 22:00.41 | s10gopal | bites, amd r5 m430 and broadcom wifi card will work too ? or i should choose debian un official disk ? |
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| 22:01.06 | s10gopal | Kelsar, what about drivers ? |
| 22:02.07 | s10gopal | can i install AMD Catalyst on debian ? |
| 22:02.42 | Kelsar | catalyst is dead |
| 22:02.43 | bites | i have no comment on that amd card. if that broadcom card is going to work depends on the model. do you know it? |
| 22:02.58 | Kelsar | s10gopal: it is either radeon or amdpgu, booth work fine |
| 22:03.58 | Kelsar | has no debian desktop system, to be fair |
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| 22:04.09 | s10gopal | Kelsar, fglrx works with debian 9.4 ? |
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| 22:04.32 | Kelsar | s10gopal: no, fglrx is gone for good, amd buried it and said use radeon |
| 22:04.53 | Kelsar | usually even got better performance |
| 22:04.54 | bites | if you are using the unofficial firmware installer you have a higher chance of it working out of the box. but even then, some broadcom firmwares have a license that prevents redistribution. |
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| 22:06.17 | s10gopal | Kelsar, i have multi gpu and dont know how to switch between amd and intel |
| 22:06.27 | Kelsar | neither do i |
| 22:06.43 | Kelsar | amd+intel are pretty rare |
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| 22:29.24 | debbie_ | I installed Debian Stretch + apt-get install firmware-atheroes + removed network manager and installed wicd. When I scan for wifi networks none are found. Wicd always says "switch on wifi" despite clicking it. 01:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 31) --- dmesg output: https://pastebin.com/4eJr8zcj |
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| 22:33.06 | debbie_ | https://pastebin.com/6cyyAP2F my iwconfig |
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| 22:35.13 | debbie_ | Kernel driver in use: r8169 |
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| 22:37.53 | debbie_ | sec rebooting |
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| 22:40.16 | guest_ | should i install debian on ufei or Legacy ? |
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| 22:49.10 | zebmccorkle | guest_: if your computer supports UEFI, I'd suggest it |
| 22:49.57 | guest_ | zebmccorkle: i am having hp ay008tx laptop , 12gb ram + 128gb ssd |
| 22:50.19 | guest_ | zebmccorkle: and what about secure boot ? it should be enabled ? |
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| 22:53.08 | LtL | guest_: on my machines i turn secure boot off. |
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| 23:14.34 | guest_ | can i install non free drivers on debian original iso ? |
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| 23:45.12 | date_night | You need to enable the non-free repo |
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