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| 00:13.45 | jim | hi... got a forwarded xy from ##linux... the Y is to install stretch and have drivers for floppies available, the two Xs being considered are... |
| 00:14.13 | jim | 1, installing from a live stretch cd known to have the floppy drivers |
| 00:14.37 | jim | 2, I think he's gonna try a netinstall |
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| 00:19.02 | somiaj | though been so long, I just grep -i floppy /boot/config-4.9.0-6-amd64 and that is the only thing that returned |
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| 00:19.32 | Unit193 | I presume you have a kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko too? |
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| 00:19.52 | jim | probably |
| 00:20.06 | somiaj | Unit193: I do, do you know what config options creates that |
| 00:20.19 | somiaj | so yea, maybe they just need to 'modprobe floppy' |
| 00:20.27 | Unit193 | Unfortunately, no. Sorry. |
| 00:20.29 | somiaj | turns out tehre are some options that maybe needed depending on the drive. |
| 00:20.50 | somiaj | jim: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/floppy.txt there a list of options one can pass the to the module |
| 00:21.27 | jim | can we do this: boot the netinstall, then look for the module and/or the config file? |
| 00:21.34 | somiaj | well it appears the module is there, though unsure what config option to set for. |
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| 00:22.00 | somiaj | yes you can, but I would assume the module is there, I would look at dmesg, and look for errors, it could be you may need to pass some additional options to the module if the floppy drive just isn't being detected |
| 00:22.12 | somiaj | it could also be the module isn't being autoloaded, and a 'modprobe floppy' would be enough |
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| 00:28.33 | jim | he says he wants to install grub onto a floppy from the installer, I'm trying to find out why nopw |
| 00:29.16 | somiaj | that is strange, but I don't think floppies have tranditional mbrs |
| 00:29.51 | somiaj | yea I think that is the issue, floppy drives do not have an MBR, so there is no place to install grub too |
| 00:30.24 | jim | I was able to install grub1 onto a floppy |
| 00:30.53 | jim | but be that as it may, I have some details... first, his motherboard is ASUS P28-VT |
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| 00:31.29 | jim | he wants to do an encrypted install, and... I'll quote him (sec) |
| 00:31.34 | somiaj | http://linux-sxs.org/administration/grubflop.html |
| 00:31.48 | somiaj | looks like it might be possible, but grub-install might not be able to do it. |
| 00:32.13 | jim | when he tried to do the floppy grub install, he found that /dev/fd0 did not exist |
| 00:32.48 | jim | sec, lemme ask him a few more questions (but first, I'll get you that quote) |
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| 00:33.38 | somiaj | hmm, guess it works, I'm finding a bit of confliciting info on google. this might be the best guide for isntalling grub on a floppy https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html or making a boot floppy |
| 00:33.50 | somiaj | but sounds like the issue is getting the floppy drive detected, and checking the floppy module is loaded |
| 00:34.19 | jim | he says... the reason I need a boot disk is because I will be using full disk encryption and that requires a separate boot disk in cases where the motherboard firmware BIOS is on a read-only memory device such as is the case with the ASUS P28-VT |
| 00:35.04 | jim | let me see if he can be flexible about partitions |
| 00:35.15 | somiaj | I thought using a usb drive was more common for this |
| 00:35.33 | somiaj | but anyways, the floppy driver should still work, it could be something actually wrong with the floppy drive. |
| 00:35.41 | jim | maybe, in any case it sounds like a better solution |
| 00:36.53 | somiaj | I personally wouldn't trust a floppy drive for this, those thigns go bad so easily |
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| 00:48.10 | jim | I guess he feels he doesn't have that choice... he says it's not possible to boot from usb |
| 00:48.25 | jim | on that hardware |
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| 01:16.58 | karlpinc | somiaj: I dunno. I had a floppy drive continue to work for about 15 years. YMMV. |
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| 01:19.04 | somiaj | yea I guess, I finally threw my floppy drive away when I went though my old floppies and about 70% of them were dead |
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| 01:19.40 | somiaj | and I'm not talking about the drive, I'm talking about the actual floppy disks...the drive still worked, I just had no more use for it. |
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| 01:20.38 | somiaj | (at one point in time I decided that the floppy drive was my computers identity, and for years it was the only original part from my first computer in the 90s -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus ) |
| 01:20.48 | somiaj | and now I don't even have that |
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| 01:21.15 | somiaj | though my sblive is still around, that was my first upgade in 98, and still in my system. |
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| 01:22.24 | annadane | will one day have an install that lasts longer than 2 months |
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| 01:24.37 | shpingrlde | i used testdisk's deeper search to locate an overwritten partition, but then accidentally backed too far out of a menu and now i'm no longer in the deeper search. can i use the logs to finish the task, or do i need to start a several-hour deeper search again? |
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| 01:25.18 | somiaj | shpingrlde: I'm unsure about such a tool, but my advise is make sure you are working on an image and you have removed that disk from your system. |
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| 01:26.35 | karlpinc | shpingrlde: Yes. Always dd the hardware and then make a backup from the copy and _then_ fiddle. After the initial disk copy unplug the failing device and set it aside. The more you touch the more will break. |
| 01:27.07 | shpingrlde | gotcha, thanks |
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| 01:27.33 | shpingrlde | i'll run it again and get some z's i spose |
| 01:27.45 | somiaj | even if the disk is not bad, new files, and various other things could start writing over the data making it harder to recover. |
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| 01:28.33 | karlpinc | is trying to remember that "recovery dd" program thingie which keeps going on hardware failure. |
| 01:29.18 | shpingrlde | dd_rescue? |
| 01:29.39 | karlpinc | shpingrlde: That sounds right. |
| 01:29.41 | shpingrlde | this wasn't a hard drive failure, i just ran dd and hit the wrong external disk |
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| 01:30.41 | karlpinc | shpingrlde: Then you probably don't need dd_rescue. |
| 01:30.54 | karlpinc | wonders what recoverdm's got that dd_rescue does not. |
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| 01:33.01 | karlpinc | gddrescue |
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| 02:18.38 | goaway | I just installed amd gpu drivers + atheros 2k wifi drivers and rebooted now i'm getting |
| 02:18.46 | goaway | firmware bug amd-vi ioapic[4][5] no southbridge ioapic found |
| 02:18.55 | goaway | and the computer isnt booting |
| 02:19.02 | goaway | i also see firwamre failed to load ath10k/cal-pci |
| 02:19.15 | goaway | i see an endless underscore flashing |
| 02:20.39 | goaway | amd vi event logged 7.156022 io_page_fault device 1:00 domain 0x001 |
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| 02:22.27 | goaway | in recovery mode i can't even get my ethernet card or wifi to connect |
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| 02:30.31 | drb_ | ; |
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| 02:34.41 | annadane | goaway, how'd you install the drivers |
| 02:35.16 | goaway | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254677 i followed this |
| 02:35.26 | goaway | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT = "quiet splash ivrs_ioapic[7]=00:14.0 ivrs_ioapic[8]=00: 00.2" |
| 02:35.26 | goaway | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:35.34 | goaway | now im not getting any error |
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| 02:35.59 | goaway | just an ath10k_pci firmware failed to load ath10k/cal-pci and an underscore blinking endlessly on boot |
| 02:36.08 | goaway | i guess i should go back into recovery mode and see why |
| 02:36.21 | annadane | this is debian stable? |
| 02:36.27 | goaway | yes debian stretch |
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| 02:36.30 | goaway | x64 |
| 02:36.44 | goaway | before i installed the amd drivers all was booting up fine |
| 02:36.48 | goaway | -it was |
| 02:37.04 | annadane | that link doesn't explain how you installed the drivers |
| 02:37.11 | annadane | is it from the debian repository? |
| 02:37.21 | goaway | yes |
| 02:37.50 | annadane | well, i'm not sure what the issue is, perhaps someone else can answer it |
| 02:37.51 | goaway | Debian -- Details of package firmware-amd-graphics in stretch |
| 02:38.23 | goaway | i'm getting amd-vi event logged 48.x io_page_fault device=01:00.0 domain=0x0001 address=0x0000000ffc6efe0 flags=0x0020 endlessly |
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| 02:39.27 | goaway | device 01:00.0 is |
| 02:39.36 | goaway | vga compatible controller amd [amd/ati] carrizo (rev c8) |
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| 03:34.02 | misternumberone | hi, how can I increase the available storage space in a running DebianLive 9.4 |
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| 03:39.53 | realist-- | Hello, I am seeking advice from veteran Linux users that knows a thing or two on how challenging Linux can be for many people, we are a small company with a distro, customized for data center networking, our audience are people that came from the âCiscoâ world, they are mostly middle aged men with no computer sci degree and years of Cisco slavery, any compelling/popular arguments to use, any useful links, articlesâ¦etc to pass |
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| 03:42.24 | mnuhmnuh | misternumberone: plugin a usbkey and mount it; probably gets automounted. |
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| 03:47.10 | mnuhmnuh | !nslu2 |
| 03:47.11 | dpkg | [nslu2] The Linksys NSLU2 "Network Storage Link" is a NAS device with two USB 2.0 ports and one 10/100 Ethernet port. Supported by the <armel> port of Debian GNU/Linux. http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ . Proprietary NPE-B microcode (used by the Intel IXP4xx Ethernet driver) is available in the ixp4xx-microcode package, ask me about <non-free sources>. |
| 03:47.23 | mnuhmnuh | realist ^^^ |
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| 03:49.12 | mnuhmnuh | i'm trying to think of the name of the free linux based router proj. that started w linksys routers ... |
| 03:49.30 | realist_ | openwrt ? |
| 03:49.50 | mnuhmnuh | that's the one. |
| 03:50.10 | misternumberone | mnuhmnuh: thanks it worked, but how can I use this space to install packages |
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| 03:52.02 | mnuhmnuh | misternumberone: live, maybe no. installer will ask if you've additional sources to use, or let you work around. |
| 03:54.06 | misternumberone | mnuhmnuh: but when I sudo apt-get install lvm linux-util cryptsetup debootstrap it fails with not enough space on disk error |
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| 03:54.26 | misternumberone | these are packages I need to have in the live image in order to install |
| 03:54.40 | misternumberone | lvm2** |
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| 04:49.14 | somiaj | misternumberone: you shouldn't be installing packages in the installer enviorment, and you shoudln't be using the live enviorment to install. The installer gives you the option to load that stuff if needed |
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| 04:50.07 | slacko64_5401 | in the history of united states nasa has claimed unstable debian is the best |
| 04:50.31 | slacko64_5401 | i have seen carpenters become them |
| 04:50.49 | slacko64_5401 | or was it construction workers. i think it was construction workers |
| 04:51.04 | somiaj | either way, it seems off topic unless you have an actual debian support question |
| 04:51.21 | slacko64_5401 | it related to debian unstable as a historical reference, thanks |
| 04:52.28 | misternumberone | somiaj: the reason why I am doing this is because the stretch live image contains the floppy kernel module, but the installer image does not appear to, because when I use it /dev/fd0 does not exist and modprobe floppy returns file not found error |
| 04:52.51 | misternumberone | and I need to use the floppy drive in order to complete my installation |
| 04:53.04 | somiaj | misternumberone: how much memeory do you have, installing packages in the live image is limited by memeory. |
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| 04:53.53 | misternumberone | somiaj: 384 MB however I have installed successfully a swap partition on a hard drive, which must be temporary and removed before the installation is complete |
| 04:54.32 | somiaj | I'm unsure how well swap works with the live systems, it might only use physical memeory to run in, not swap. |
| 04:54.38 | somiaj | but I've never attempted this. |
| 04:55.07 | slacko64_5401 | there might be a way to pipe the available or possible modules or do a hardware scan for the correct mount point of the floppy, or similiarly test only certain ones to see which one is the one |
| 04:55.16 | misternumberone | well to begin with I need some way to increase the size of the virtual storage |
| 04:55.32 | slacko64_5401 | it's always good to have an android tablet |
| 04:55.39 | slacko64_5401 | for linux |
| 04:55.43 | slacko64_5401 | to google |
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| 04:56.34 | somiaj | misternumberone: so the live images sees your floppy drive just fine? |
| 04:56.50 | slacko64_5401 | sometimes you can copy a module to usb floppy and maybe access it like a regular floppy |
| 04:57.32 | misternumberone | slacko64_5401: what do you mean to do a hardware scan and find the mount point? and usb floppy? im not sure what you mean |
| 04:57.51 | misternumberone | somiaj: yes it loads the floppy module and I can mount and use the floppy disk |
| 04:57.57 | somiaj | so far it seems mostly like noise to me. |
| 04:58.26 | slacko64_5401 | lsusb might have info and lspci might have info on how to get things like a floppy working, i assumed it was something like usb floppy. normal floppies i have seen some linux need a hardware base for |
| 04:58.39 | slacko64_5401 | something like a selection process in the installation |
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| 04:59.00 | somiaj | misternumberone: the only thing I can think of at the time is to make an install and leave your /boot outside of your encrypted lvm, and then after your install is complete, move grub/boot to the floppy and then remove the partition. |
| 04:59.34 | somiaj | misternumberone: I'm double checking something with the installer, I am surprised the floppy module was not present. |
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| 05:00.23 | misternumberone | slacko64_5401: it is a normal floppy, what sort of hardware base would I need? what does that mean |
| 05:00.36 | somiaj | misternumberone: just ignore slacko64_5401, they seem mostly to be noise so foar. |
| 05:00.38 | misternumberone | the floppy does not show up in lspci' |
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| 05:03.14 | somiaj | misternumberone: okay, I found a bug report about the floppy module being removed from the installer, I'll see if it has any solutions. |
| 05:03.17 | misternumberone | somiaj: ok the problem is, someone in the ##linux channel told me I should use regular dm-crypt full disk encryption rather than LUKS full disk encryption because the disk would be fuller encrypted and it would be impossible to detect that it was an encrypted disk and not just random data |
| 05:03.23 | misternumberone | and that sounded like a good idea to me |
| 05:03.45 | somiaj | I'm not one who knows much about encryption, I'm just looking to a solution for your floppy drive issue. |
| 05:04.33 | misternumberone | thanks, is it really a bug that the floppy module doesn't work? everyone was telling me it should work |
| 05:05.08 | somiaj | it is marked as won't-fix, the floppy drive was removed from the install kernel due to keeping it small and the edge cases that need it was not enough to convence the debian kernel team. |
| 05:05.49 | somiaj | so you may need to write a custom debian installer to have the floppy drive avaible at boot. Do you have a second hard disk you could use? Are you booting from usb or cdrom to do this install? |
| 05:06.01 | misternumberone | CDROM |
| 05:06.50 | misternumberone | and i don't have another hard drive - however how can I make a custom debian installer that includes the module, that sounds like what I need |
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| 05:07.19 | somiaj | I'm not finding any good documention on this (that isn't outdated) |
| 05:07.44 | misternumberone | I have done something similar to Windows install images using something called dism, can a debian installer be edited a similar way? |
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| 05:08.49 | somiaj | I wonder if woody can do full disk encryption like you want. |
| 05:09.56 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel is about all I'm finding, docs reference old 2.6 kernels, so unsure how well it still works |
| 05:10.57 | plasmoduck | What's a good hardware sensors program to install? Like what program does conky "usually" rely on to get it's sensor information? |
| 05:11.32 | somiaj | you may want to ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net, they maybe able to help you create a custom cd installer with the floppy drive module added back in. |
| 05:12.01 | somiaj | misternumberone: or the last release that supported a floppy in the installer was woody, if woody can do the encryption, you can dist-upgrade from woody -> jessie -> stretch. |
| 05:12.41 | alkisg | Full disk encryption with floppy and 384MB RAM? That's a veeeery weird use case :D |
| 05:12.43 | somiaj | plasmoduck: mostly I think they are kernel modules, and something like lm-sensors can read them, and sensors-detect will scan your system for what ones it an read. |
| 05:12.57 | somiaj | alkisg: along with using a floppy drive with grub to boot it |
| 05:13.15 | alkisg | Why oh why?! Aren't there simpler ways? |
| 05:13.17 | somiaj | oh yea, you got that..and unsure the best approach, (: |
| 05:13.30 | somiaj | apparntelly not on this hardware. Doesn't support usb boot |
| 05:13.45 | alkisg | Plop can boot from usb when the hardware doesn't support it |
| 05:13.54 | alkisg | Network boot exists since.. ever |
| 05:14.27 | alkisg | Copying a floppy module from elsewhere while still in the installer should be easy without the need to modify the cdrom |
| 05:14.32 | misternumberone | i was keeping using a previous version of debian and upgrading as a resort in case other things dont work, but was concerned about it because i would be upgrading from legacy services all the way to full systemd |
| 05:14.32 | alkisg | Lots of options... |
| 05:15.08 | misternumberone | you said boot from USB without hardware support? how? what is plop |
| 05:15.24 | alkisg | Google for plop boot manager, you'll find it |
| 05:15.47 | alkisg | It fakes "bios usb support" and then loads the OS from usb |
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| 05:19.13 | misternumberone | alkisg: sounds good but it's hard to find out about because it looks like the website plop.at is down for me? is there another site? |
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| 05:22.27 | alkisg | misternumberone: I'm sure sites like softpedia etc have a local copy if plop.at is currently down |
| 05:22.31 | alkisg | Google again :) |
| 05:23.23 | misternumberone | alkisg: also it looks from what information I can find like it needs to use a CD to boot from first, and then loads the USB? in this case I might as well put GRUB on the CD, which I had also considered if nothing else works but it would be far less convenient |
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| 05:23.55 | alkisg | misternumberone: you can put plop in a floppy disk and then boot from usb, isn't that what you want? |
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| 05:24.09 | alkisg | You can also put plop in floppy and os in cd-rom, whatever suits you |
| 05:24.55 | alkisg | I haven't understood your use case well |
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| 05:25.35 | misternumberone | hmm, can plop function as an autodetecting bootloader for regular linux installations as well? like can it replace GRUB? that could be useful |
| 05:26.43 | misternumberone | alkisg: my use case is a system that can boot from CD or floppy or hard drive but I would rather not boot from CD or hard drive because the CD is a temporary setup and the hard drive I would like to use full disk encryption on |
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| 05:27.38 | alkisg | misternumberone: so in your final setup you want to be booting from disk or from floppy? |
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| 05:28.39 | misternumberone | this plop sounds like it would work but I will first go to irc.oftc.net and ask about the custom debian installer option |
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| 05:29.02 | alkisg | I've no idea why you would need something custom |
| 05:29.10 | alkisg | Why would the installer need access to the floppy? |
| 05:29.20 | misternumberone | alkisg: I want to be booting from disk, floppy or if somehow possible USB directly even though the system does not support it |
| 05:29.53 | alkisg | OK, so why is the floppy involved at all? I don't get it |
| 05:30.07 | misternumberone | alkisg: I need to install the GRUB 2 bootloader to the floppy disk with encryption enabled so that it can decrypt the hard drive and boot the installation |
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| 05:31.16 | alkisg | So in your final setup you want to be booting from floppy? Isn't that ...90's ? |
| 05:31.45 | alkisg | Floppies break every other week... |
| 05:32.14 | misternumberone | alkisg: i can use CD if I have to but the CD drive setup I have for the system right now is not clean |
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| 05:33.03 | misternumberone | it is a laptop sized cd drive that I have stuck into the side of the computer and it was not easy to plug into the motherboard |
| 05:33.13 | somiaj | yea, that was my comment to jim when he was being the middleman, floppy disks are just to unrelaible to have encryption keys on. |
| 05:33.16 | alkisg | misternumberone: I'd use the disk. Only. No cd or floppy to boot. |
| 05:33.27 | misternumberone | so i cannot close the case while it is connected, i have been using it to boot the images |
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| 05:33.39 | alkisg | Once the kernel loads, it can access things from usb |
| 05:34.03 | misternumberone | alkisg: but I only have 1 hard disk, and if I use the /boot folder on there, even if it is in its own partition it will not be full disk encryption |
| 05:34.11 | alkisg | And? |
| 05:34.27 | misternumberone | I would like to use full disk encryption for security of my data |
| 05:34.36 | alkisg | If you're booting on hardware that supports usb, I can understand it. But in your use case... no |
| 05:34.41 | alkisg | What does /boot have to do with your data? |
| 05:34.42 | misternumberone | like I have on the computer I use now |
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| 05:37.38 | misternumberone | because information about the installation is stored in /boot by the operating system, and I am in a situation where I need to take precautions against a middleman attack from physical access to the system to modify the /boot partition to sniff the encryption passphrase |
| 05:38.40 | misternumberone | i intend to carry with me for example the bootloader storage device, whether it is floppy disk or CD, so that it cannot be tampered with and my encryption passphrase obtained |
| 05:39.04 | alkisg | If he has physical access he can install an OS to the disk that reads your keys from the floppy, and you wouldn't know it :D |
| 05:39.25 | alkisg | (and emulate a bios boot screen) |
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| 05:46.18 | misternumberone | a number of reasons why that is avoided: 1. I do not store the keys on the bootloader storage, I store them in my head and input them twice once in grub and once in the initramfs. 2. the "bios boot screen" that appears when the system turns on is itself a different matter, in fact one of the unique benefits of this pc, and to answer you it is not stored on the hard disk. |
| 05:46.20 | misternumberone | 3. I would not be fooled to input my passphrase in any case that the disk was not also fully encrypted and displayed as such in GRUB, and if so the attacker would not have my passphrase, the passphrase would be wrong when I input it, and I would realize the tampering and terminate the boot process. |
| 05:47.01 | misternumberone | similar precautions are in fact taken on my current PC, which uses a different boot process but also has full disk encryption and does not store the keys. |
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| 05:49.16 | alkisg | There's no way to protect your "software/keys/etc" from being read by "untrusted pc/hardware/bios/boot". A base needs to be trusted to build a trusted chain on top of it. |
| 05:49.32 | alkisg | If I have physical access I can modify your BIOS to do whatever I want, and you wouldn't know it |
| 05:49.53 | misternumberone | one misstep is dangerous for me, so I assure you I have thought out how my presently stored data is secured. This is why I take such careful steps and be sure to make the right choice for my new system. |
| 05:50.14 | alkisg | For example, to just make a clone of whatever it reads from the floppy, to a disk sector at the end of the disk, and I'd pick it up later |
| 05:50.46 | alkisg | You can encrypt communications. You can't encrypt data from the processor that's supposed to process that data. So if I have access to the processor, I have your data. |
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| 05:51.07 | misternumberone | I have chosen this new system partly because it has a good feature: its bios is stored on a genuinely ROM chip. The ROM chip cannot be overwritten as a matter of physical construction, and when I boot the PC I intend to check it to verify it has not been tampered with or replaced. |
| 05:51.31 | alkisg | Do you know that bios RUNs code from disk before loading the floppy? |
| 05:51.49 | alkisg | I could put code there to override int 16 and you'd never know it |
| 05:52.11 | alkisg | I wouldn't even need to modify your bios |
| 05:52.33 | alkisg | Anyway, this is way off topic for #debian now, so I'll stop :) |
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| 05:53.55 | misternumberone | alkisg: if the disk were overwritten, as I have said, this would be obvious when the encryption key does not work, and I could terminate the situation before connecting internet |
| 05:54.19 | misternumberone | but I appreciate your ideas |
| 05:54.25 | alkisg | Encryption doesn't check all of the disk |
| 05:54.25 | jim | misternumberone, maybe you should replace the rom with one that allows booting from usb, that would solve a lot of your problems |
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| 05:55.19 | Haohmaru | u need to make your own computer, your own bios, your own processor and motherboard, your own transistors.. etc.. |
| 05:55.33 | misternumberone | jim: that would be a good idea, and also allow me to use an open source software motherboard firmware just like my current PC |
| 05:55.42 | alkisg | It would still not be trustworthy if others have physical access there before he came to boot |
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| 05:56.25 | misternumberone | what Haohmaru said is of course the best way, but it does not exist, it is a dream. All I can do right now is find the best ways I can. |
| 05:56.32 | Haohmaru | put a justin bieber picture on yer computer - ain't nobody gon touch it |
| 05:57.03 | Haohmaru | of course, that comes with a huuuge downside |
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| 05:58.39 | jim | misternumberone, ok, what's the down side? (well, floppies go bad, and I challenge you to find two good floppies in a box of 20)... if you allow booting from usb, you should maybe get a small ssd rather than the usual usb stick, because sticks go bad too, and ssds have been getting much better |
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| 05:59.12 | Haohmaru | folks, apt-get seems to be clever and knows how much megabytes it gon download and how much "extra space" will be required - why does it not check if there is enough space available? |
| 05:59.41 | misternumberone | alkisg: could you direct me to information about this exploit you mention makes it possible to initiate arbitrary execution from a BIOS through changing a small portion of the hard disk? i am interested |
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| 06:00.20 | Haohmaru | isn't that how "master-boot-record" viruses work? |
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| 06:00.50 | jim | I had made a proposal to include data about what packages install how much in what dirs, and someone implemented it... they didn't like it, and I don't remember why |
| 06:01.20 | misternumberone | jim: the downside is that I am not sure if that is possible. My current system uses a fully open source motherboard firmware, however there is only one of those I know exists, and it does not support this system I have that uses ROM BIOS. |
| 06:01.20 | Haohmaru | jim is it that it's not easy to check if there's enough space? |
| 06:01.29 | alkisg | misternumberone: I've been doing that around 20 years ago in the DOS days. You can write code to MBR, copy the original to sector 12345, and restore it after your code has run, and your floppy/encryption won't know it. |
| 06:01.30 | alkisg | I don't know of any documentation though, at that point it was more about reverse engineering; we didn't have internet yet |
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| 06:03.03 | alkisg | misternumberone: one additional thing you can do if you want some additional protection, is to have the md5sum of the whole /boot partition stored in your USB where your keys are, and refuse to continue if it doesn't match. |
| 06:03.05 | jim | well if my proposal were to be implemented, that kind of thing would easily be possible, but they found a problem, and I forgot what |
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| 06:07.11 | misternumberone | alkisg: again, I don't store the keys, but storing the md5sum of the disk sounds like a good idea. If checking the md5sum in GRUB is possible, and partial checks are possible, could I check the md5sum of the portion of the disk you claimed can be used for an exploit? or would this exploit code already be active while at the same time having overwritten itself with the original data as you said? |
| 06:07.14 | Haohmaru | :~( |
| 06:08.11 | misternumberone | and do all BIOS suffer from this exploit or only some? my current system uses an extremely unusual BIOS with a nonstandard boot process, however I would like to know details about this. |
| 06:08.15 | alkisg | misternumberone: you store the keys in your floppy, if I understood you well. An overriden int 16 could read them, pass them back to grub, while storing them for me in sector 1234567 |
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| 06:08.44 | alkisg | misternumberone: you don't have any logic in your boot process to check for a modified MBR that after boot was restored |
| 06:09.08 | alkisg | You cannot protect against someone modifying MBR before you came, overriding int 16, restoring mbr, and duplicating whatever is read from your floppy |
| 06:09.28 | alkisg | So it would only take about 50 assembly lines to get your keys |
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| 06:10.39 | jim | so what you're saying is there's no way to secure the keys? |
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| 06:11.02 | misternumberone | alkisg: I do not store the keys. I do not generate a keyfile. I use a passphrase which I remember and then input at boot time. All the same, I would like to know about this int 16 exploit, and whether all BIOS are affected. |
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| 06:11.04 | alkisg | On hardware and initial boot software that you cannot trust? Of course there's no way |
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| 06:11.53 | Haohmaru | true security is a mirage |
| 06:11.56 | alkisg | misternumberone: duplicating keystrokes vs duplicating sectors is the same thing |
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| 06:12.34 | alkisg | It doesn't matter if you put your passphrase in the keyboard or in the disk or in the moon when it's my software that reads it anyway |
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| 06:13.07 | misternumberone | alkisg: what I would like to know then is how this exploit really works, and can it be running at the same time as the bootloader on the floppy? |
| 06:13.19 | alkisg | Yes, it can |
| 06:13.50 | alkisg | That's the basic idea: (09:09:08 Ïμ) alkisg: You cannot protect against someone modifying MBR before you came, overriding int 16, restoring mbr, and duplicating whatever is read from your floppy |
| 06:13.51 | alkisg | There are lots of other exploits there |
| 06:14.06 | alkisg | (s/duplicating floppy/duplicating keystrokes/) |
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| 06:14.35 | Haohmaru | my old computer had an MBR virus, i could never get rid of it, and it infected every other machine i plugged it in while trying to cure it.. i'm pretty sure it's still there, sitting and waiting |
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| 06:15.33 | alkisg | Nowadays it's even possible to put code in disk firmware which is then not readable at all, so you'll never know it's there |
| 06:15.53 | Haohmaru | yeah, that's even worse than an MBR virus |
| 06:16.03 | SynfulAck | stop scaring the kids |
| 06:16.21 | Haohmaru | sit around the fire, kids |
| 06:16.53 | alkisg | Hehe |
| 06:17.36 | misternumberone | i would like to know this then, you said the process it performs is this: starting at a state where malicious code is in the MBR and the previous MBR data is stored in a different location, the BIOS reads code from the MBR before even boot, and is exploited to begin running the malicious code. the code then copies the previous MBR data to the place it was originally. This is correct? |
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| 06:18.46 | alkisg | Correct. This is just one scenario out of thousands. |
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| 06:19.59 | misternumberone | And from there, the code continues to run while the BIOS loads GRUB, and then it can in theory grab my passphrase as I input it? and while this is happening the MBR is in its original pre-tampering state so that I cannot use an md5sum on it, correct? |
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| 06:20.34 | misternumberone | i'm just trying to get a picture of this possibility, as you said one out of many potential exploits |
| 06:21.10 | alkisg | Correct. At that point grub is still using interrupts to talk to the BIOS to access the hardware, and interrupt hooking is a traditional way to run additional code there. |
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| 06:21.47 | alkisg | Anyway that's quite off topic for #debian; maybe you could ask in #security or something... |
| 06:23.16 | misternumberone | well I will for sure, thanks, but I wondered what would be the result, in your opinion, if, while such an exploit were active, I flipped the power switch on my power strip, and the computer's power were cut? would the MBR still contain the malicious code, on the next boot? |
| 06:23.29 | misternumberone | just something that occurred to me |
| 06:24.11 | misternumberone | because, as you said, the exploitable section of the MBR at the point of power loss would be returned to its pre-tampering state |
| 06:24.26 | misternumberone | not of course that that would stop other exploits, like disk firmware, as you said |
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| 06:26.30 | Haohmaru | my old computer has gone without power so many times, the pesky MBR virus was still there |
| 06:27.02 | misternumberone | anyway, I will for now pursue the possibility of creating a custom debian installer image, that contains the floppy kernel module, so that I can use the floppy drive, someone suggested #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 06:27.03 | Haohmaru | but i'm not sure if its operation scheme is the same as the above |
| 06:28.00 | misternumberone | Haohmaru: I imagine that perhaps that particular virus did not attempt to hide itself by overwriting itself, which is of course still a formidable enemy |
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| 06:28.45 | alkisg | misternumberone: a custom debian installer image just to get access to the floppy while installing? Why would you need that? |
| 06:29.01 | jelly | misternumberone: how many machines are you going to set up this way? |
| 06:29.06 | alkisg | You can copy and modprobe the module in many ways |
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| 06:29.16 | alkisg | No need for a "custom image"... |
| 06:29.24 | AliceKelly | so if you have several desktop managers you probably dont want to uninstall them right ? |
| 06:29.43 | jelly | if it's less than 5-10 just install manually and fix crypttab and initramfs later |
| 06:30.51 | misternumberone | alkisg: if I place the floppy module from say the live image onto a USB drive, then copy it into the installer image, I could load it with modprobe you say? |
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| 06:31.23 | AliceKelly | i was going to remove lxde fore example. apt was going to remove like 50 things with it . seems like you need those gtk libs etc |
| 06:31.27 | alkisg | You can modprobe it directly from the usb drive |
| 06:31.41 | misternumberone | jelly: just one, but when I attempted manual install the live image ran out of storage space |
| 06:31.43 | alkisg | As long as the kernel version matches |
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| 06:32.37 | misternumberone | alkisg: well that is very helpful information thanks I will try that |
| 06:32.46 | alkisg | np |
| 06:33.21 | jelly | misternumberone: I meant format disks and luks manually, install base system with debootstrap, then chroot into that and fix boot loader and initramfs; avoiding the installer completely |
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| 06:34.39 | misternumberone | jelly: well I have to use something to do that, somehow, and when I used the live image, I ran out of storage while downloading cryptsetup, lvm and debootstrap, that is what I mean |
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| 06:48.12 | Nothing4You | what's the proper way to shutdown a system i've booted with appending init=/bin/bash to the kernel cmdline? |
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| 06:49.11 | madage | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:51.06 | Nothing4You | thanks, i'll try that next time |
| 06:52.28 | Nothing4You | is the /sbin/ what makes it work without systemd? |
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| 06:54.35 | madage | without PATH, i guess |
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| 06:54.43 | Nothing4You | yeah t hat's what i meant |
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| 06:55.45 | Nothing4You | just tried |
| 06:55.47 | Nothing4You | doesn't work |
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| 06:56.09 | Nothing4You | Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory \n Failed to talk to init daemon. |
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| 06:56.15 | madage | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.28 | Nothing4You | that works |
| 06:56.31 | Nothing4You | thanks |
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| 06:56.44 | madage | np |
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| 07:06.05 | madage | also, to be on the safe side, a /bin/sync before the poweroff might be handy |
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| 07:32.07 | tna_agent | Apologies if this is off-topic, but: I'm looking for additional unmanaged US-based VPS providers to try out. So far, I've used Linode, Dreamhost, and Digital Ocean. Are there other inexpensive hosts worth trying? |
| 07:33.43 | FinalX | I can heartily recommend Vultr. They also do BGP for free for you if you have your own AS. |
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| 07:34.11 | tna_agent | FinalX: Thank you - I'll look into that. |
| 07:35.05 | FinalX | np :) I have 8 different geographic locations with them now, and anycast ipv6 and all. |
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| 07:38.41 | Sveta | what is the name of the package that prevents me from removing essential system components? something like debian-base or debian-core or something similar |
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| 07:40.36 | jelly | Sveta: there isn't one |
| 07:40.52 | jelly | of if you wish it's dpkg |
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| 07:41.05 | jelly | !essential |
| 07:41.05 | dpkg | Packages that are assumed to be available on your machine and as such are not included in the list of dependencies for packages. Essential packages must be usable at all times even when packages are unconfigured. See <policy> section 3.8 for details; list them with "aptitude search ~E" (see <aptitude search>). |
| 07:41.09 | Sveta | jelly: name of the (meta) package that is installed when i do advanced install and tick 'laptop' and 'ssh' ? |
| 07:41.37 | jelly | Sveta: those are tasks, so task-something |
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| 07:41.54 | Sveta | jelly: for context, i have a 10GB / partition and run out of space regularly, so i'd like to remove "everything that is not <name for debian-base or whatever> and is not <my favourite window manager> and is not <network-manager or wpa_supplicant>' |
| 07:41.55 | jelly | apt-cache search task-laptop |
| 07:42.02 | Sveta | jelly: " |
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| 07:42.55 | pstk | hi here |
| 07:42.56 | jelly | and apt-cache search task ssh |
| 07:42.56 | Sveta | jelly: how do i list 'everything that is not required for task-laptop or wmaker or gnustep' ? |
| 07:43.10 | Sveta | jelly: (... and is installed) |
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| 07:43.49 | jelly | that's a completely different question that I do not know the answer to. I'd use deborphan or debfoster to clean up potental cruft |
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| 07:45.08 | pstk | I have recently upgrade my desktop to debian buster. Since "dejavu sans mano" font doesnt have same visual: it like enlarged to the top |
| 07:45.54 | pstk | do you know how to correct ? |
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| 07:48.55 | moonman | Hey y'all, its moonman here, and we gonna kill some niggers tonight! |
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| 07:49.25 | moonman | !ops killing nigggers |
| 07:49.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: moonman complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 07:50.46 | Haohmaru | o_O |
| 07:50.59 | moonman | Haohmaru: are u a nigga? |
| 07:51.12 | Haohmaru | does it matter? |
| 07:51.36 | moonman | it matters to the Kool Kids Klub (KKK) |
| 07:51.54 | Haohmaru | oh, okay |
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| 07:57.05 | choice | Hello! How do you install composer on Debian? |
| 07:57.46 | Sveta | do you mean the 'composer' package? |
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| 07:58.32 | choice | I don't know. I mean this thing: getcomposer.org |
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| 07:59.30 | Sveta | yes, that is it |
| 07:59.40 | choice | It's in the Debian repos? |
| 08:00.06 | jelly | ,v composer |
| 08:00.07 | judd | Package: composer on amd64 -- stretch: 1.2.2-1; buster: 1.6.5-1; sid: 1.6.5-1 |
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| 08:00.14 | choice | So 'apt-get install composer'? |
| 08:00.19 | jelly | there is SOMETHING called composer |
| 08:00.35 | jelly | choice: apt-cache show composer, to see if that's the same thing |
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| 08:01.06 | choice | Yeah, that's it. Nice. |
| 08:01.34 | choice | I wonder why getcomposer.org says you should get it from their website. |
| 08:02.03 | jelly | probably because they think whatever's in your distro is too old |
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| 08:02.34 | choice | Yeah. But I much prefer having it under the control of Debian. |
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| 08:03.48 | jelly | you do realize all of its dependency managing and likely downloading of code will go outside of dpkg/apt |
| 08:04.03 | choice | Sure |
| 08:04.11 | choice | That's the insanity these days. |
| 08:04.31 | choice | Even big companies pull in tons of code into their project without having any clue where it comes from. |
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| 08:05.55 | choice | I hear that constantly when I talk to coders. 'How did you implement xyz?' 'Oh, there is a package for that.' 'Who wrote/maintains it?' 'I don't know. I just added it to my composer.json and it works'. |
| 08:05.57 | jolt | choice: That's why I'm trying to use docker as much as possible for stuff like that, so it at least doesn't clutter the base-system too much |
| 08:06.22 | jolt | Just like npm was broken earlier this week, and nothing was possible to install for a few hours |
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| 08:06.30 | choice | But how will docker prevent hostile code from reading your data and sending it to a 3rd party? |
| 08:06.37 | jelly | that's like sweeping the dirt under the rug |
| 08:06.43 | urbicide | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:06.58 | jolt | choice: Depends on how it's compartimentalized. I'm not saying it's purfect, but I think it's a bit cleaner |
| 08:07.32 | jolt | At my last gig we had http proxy for everything so dev couldn't install something that wasn't cached internally first, and that made vetting happen |
| 08:07.45 | jolt | Not perfect either of course |
| 08:07.57 | jelly | urbicide: install i965-va-driver if it's not there |
| 08:08.27 | jelly | and run with --hwdec=vaapi explicitely if needed |
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| 08:15.03 | urbicide | jelly: let me try... |
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| 08:15.49 | choice | jolt: How did this proxy setup look like? How was it preventing devs installing something directly? |
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| 08:17.33 | jelly | choice: outgoing proxy, limiting access to internet except for whitelisted stuff |
| 08:18.11 | choice | jelly: Whoa. Doesn't it kill the morale of rockstar coders if you give them crippled/monitored internet access? |
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| 08:18.31 | jelly | you don't want rockstars in a bank |
| 08:18.39 | choice | Could be true. |
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| 08:22.58 | jelly | also morale decline can be mitigated by applying copious amouts of cash |
| 08:23.09 | choice | Could be true. |
| 08:23.17 | choice | It's not an environment I am interested in. |
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| 08:23.47 | choice | I love working with people passionate to put something exciting into the world and have a fucking good time while doing it. |
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| 08:24.33 | s10gopal | can i create a debian bootable pendrive by using ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator ? |
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| 08:25.31 | plasmoduck | s10gopal, give it a shot |
| 08:25.34 | choice | s10gopal: Haven't done it for a while but I'm under the impression I created bootable debian pendrives by simply dd'ing the cd iso over or something like that. |
| 08:25.55 | Haohmaru | why not just "dd" the iso onto the usb stick? |
| 08:26.12 | urbicide | jelly: not work. looks like problem in something else |
| 08:26.57 | plasmoduck | s10gopal, if you use ElementaryOS https://elementary.io/ it has an app called Image Burner that makes it really simple to burn images to usb :) |
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| 08:27.32 | s10gopal | thanks |
| 08:27.32 | choice | plasmoduck: Can it get easier then dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb1? |
| 08:27.40 | plasmoduck | yep |
| 08:28.00 | plasmoduck | choice, click on the usb device and click on the iso image, done |
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| 08:28.14 | plasmoduck | no typing required ;) |
| 08:28.20 | plasmoduck | s10gopal, if you use ElementaryOS https://elementary.io/ it has an app called Image Burner that makes it really simple to burn images to usb :) |
| 08:28.29 | choice | I have the feeling some people need a tool for everything because it makes them feel like somebody is taking care for them. |
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| 08:28.36 | bites | choice: yeah, cp debian.iso /dev/sdb has to be the device, not the partition btw :P |
| 08:29.03 | choice | bites: ok, so 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdb' be it. |
| 08:29.04 | plasmoduck | ^^ |
| 08:29.56 | plasmoduck | rm debian.iso && rm -rf / |
| 08:30.04 | plasmoduck | easy |
| 08:30.16 | plasmoduck | don't forget the 'sudo' |
| 08:30.24 | babilen | plasmoduck: Please do *not* mention commands like that in here (even in jest) |
| 08:30.40 | plasmoduck | babilen, ok |
| 08:31.02 | plasmoduck | babilen, what is jest? |
| 08:31.06 | babilen | "joke" |
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| 08:31.53 | babilen | You never know who might run it and I'm sure you are not prepared to deal with the fallout if people follow your advice |
| 08:33.02 | plasmoduck | true |
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| 08:34.02 | choice | plasmoduck: You should not mention sudo because sudo is for losers. |
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| 08:34.29 | jelly | urbicide: if you have too new intel cpu it might require newer software bits like the kernel and drm stuff |
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| 08:35.23 | urbicide | jelly: nope, its 2016 |
| 08:35.42 | urbicide | jelly: i think i dont insalled something |
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| 08:46.32 | user03 | hi, how to upgrade a lxc container? i try lxc-attach -n myvm apt-get -y upgrade, lxc-attach: invalid option -- 'y' |
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| 08:47.53 | bites | user03: two hyphens after the container name. |
| 08:48.23 | bites | lxc-attach -n container -- command |
| 08:49.14 | user03 | bites, thank you |
| 08:49.35 | sorin-mihai | why do i have the feeling is not the solution? |
| 08:50.05 | bites | war? |
| 08:51.21 | sorin-mihai | rtfm and he's wrong. |
| 08:51.45 | bites | -- is often use to mark the end of command options. |
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| 09:04.13 | AciD` | http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main amd64 hash control is failing for me under Stretch |
| 09:04.17 | AciD` | do you see that as well? |
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| 09:21.26 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 09:21.26 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:21.37 | petn-randall | AciD`: Can you provide all of the above in a single paste? ^^^ |
| 09:21.52 | AciD` | I can |
| 09:24.07 | AciD` | http://paste.debian.net/1026535/ |
| 09:24.27 | AciD` | `apt update` output the problem, without having to mention any package |
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| 09:27.52 | guest___ | can anyone please help me , i am installing debian first time on my laptop , i am having 120 gb ssd and 12gb ram , i want to use swap file , how to create partition ? auto is creating swap part. |
| 09:28.27 | babilen | You can use the partitioner during the installation - You could even start with the automatically created scheme and then tailor it to your needs |
| 09:28.46 | babilen | (haven't touched non-expert installs in a long time, so not sure what the offerings are there) |
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| 09:29.52 | guest___ | babilen: i did guided partitioning -> entire disk |
| 09:30.33 | babilen | I figured that you've done that. You should be able to change the proposed scheme to your liking (by removing the swap partition and enlarging another for example) |
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| 09:31.25 | guest___ | babilen: it created 1mb freespace #1 536.9 b f esp #2 106,7 f ext4 / #3 12.8gb f swap swap 466.4 kb free space |
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| 09:31.36 | guest___ | how to delete swap and extent #2 ? |
| 09:32.33 | guest___ | babilen: i am able to delete swap partation but how to extent #2? |
| 09:32.37 | sorin-mihai | are you sure you will never want to use hibernation? |
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| 09:32.57 | guest___ | sorin-mihai: i use swap file |
| 09:32.58 | babilen | You should have an overview of all partitions and their usage. You can use the arrow keys to change the selection. Select the swap one and hit 'enter'. There should be a way to remove it and the root one, which you can then recreate with the size you want |
| 09:33.52 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 09:33.59 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/apc.html.en |
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| 09:35.16 | guest___ | i shout create root at beginnning or end ? |
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| 09:37.12 | pingfloyd | you shout create? |
| 09:37.27 | guest___ | should* |
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| 09:38.39 | sorin-mihai | i would keep the esp partition as it is, then after deleting both root and swap, i would create a single root using the whole free space. the free space remaining at the end of the disk is because of partition alignment, ignore that |
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| 09:39.20 | guest___ | and how to setup swap file ? |
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| 09:40.09 | babilen | You create a file, mkswap, swapon ... and add a suitable entry to your fstab |
| 09:40.16 | sorin-mihai | from may point of view, using automated partitioning nowadays only helps with the esp and alignment, everything else can be (re)adjusted as needed. you setup the swapfile after the OS is installed, it's not really used during the installation, not with your size of ram anyway |
| 09:40.24 | sorin-mihai | s/may/my |
| 09:40.25 | babilen | sorin-mihai: exactly |
| 09:40.58 | guest___ | thx |
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| 09:42.26 | sorin-mihai | though, i would still use lvm, even if it's just a 120gb drive, and that would bring in some more fun |
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| 09:45.19 | TandyUK | anyone familiar with preseeding? |
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| 09:46.02 | TandyUK | Im having a real hard time getting static ips assigned from a preseed file - all the options appear to be correct, but on first boot, the installer still dhcp's itself an IP, and the installed system is set to use dhcp rather than my manual settings |
| 09:47.02 | TandyUK | I can appreciate it needing to dhcp initially, until it has downloaded the preseed file (booting via pxe), but the installed system should certianly be honoring my settings in the preseed it is downloading and using |
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| 09:47.29 | babilen | guest___: I use encrypted LVM for all my boxes. LVM makes things much nicer, but you obviously don't have to use it. |
| 09:47.42 | TandyUK | every setting other than the netcfg/* settings in the preseed are being honored |
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| 09:50.58 | sorin-mihai | TandyUK, I think you might need to use a script to make any changes after the whole preseed is done. it's been ages since I last used it, but for me exactly that part took forever and I gave up on the idea. might've been jessie or something like that, things most likely changed by now |
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| 09:52.24 | TandyUK | im doing this on jessie |
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| 09:53.11 | TandyUK | the problem is our final script is a 'run this ansible playbook' script, and without the nic being configured for the correct (non-dhcp) subnet, it cant access the ansible repo |
| 09:53.31 | TandyUK | and i cant figure out how to supply and run more than 1 script |
| 09:53.49 | sorin-mihai | make it available on the dhcp subnet |
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| 10:01.47 | guest___ | i need to select debian desktop environment ? or gnome only or both ? |
| 10:02.23 | guest___ | what is debian desktop environment ? |
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| 10:03.47 | Sveta | guest___: desktop is a name for the interface that you see after you log in. |
| 10:03.59 | Sveta | guest___: without a desktop, you only get a command line interface. |
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| 10:04.34 | Sveta | guest___: if you can, look up 'debian gnome screenshot' on the web, or read wikipedia articles which say what these desktops are known to do well. |
| 10:04.41 | bites | guest___: you can select either or both. doen't make a difference. if you only select debian desktop environment, gnome will be installed. |
| 10:05.00 | Sveta | guest___: you can select several to try, and remove them later |
| 10:05.11 | guest___ | thx |
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| 10:06.23 | bites | it's just confusing. |
| 10:07.21 | babilen | Historic wart (we used to only have a 'desktop' offering) |
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| 10:27.36 | TandyUK | https://gist.github.com/tandyuk/b0a08a9ba57de28df41d618c3209f0bf so any ideas what is wrong with this preseed snippet... |
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| 10:27.52 | TandyUK | on the installed system, ip and netmask are set, but its not giving me a gateway or nameserver |
| 10:28.40 | TandyUK | well there is a dns server in /etc/resolv.conf, but thats looks very much like it was obtained by dhcp |
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| 10:30.59 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 10:33.19 | tobiasBora | I'd like to know, can you recommend a decent tool, like exim for example, that would allow me to send mail through smtp, which works for non-root users, and deal with a queue of messages so that I can send messages offline? |
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| 10:35.40 | guest___ | i did fresh install debian on whole disk buit still i can see ubuntu |
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| 10:36.36 | guest___ | when i start my laptop it enters intu grub(command line) |
| 10:36.41 | guest___ | into |
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| 10:37.52 | guest___ | in boot manager i can see os boot manager ufei ubuntu and debian |
| 10:39.26 | babilen | tobiasBora: msmtp + msmtpq |
| 10:39.48 | at0m | guest___: but does the ubuntu still boot? or, can you see its partition when you've booted? if not, that can probably be fixed running grub installer again. |
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| 10:40.03 | guest___ | at0m: no ubuntu dont boot |
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| 10:40.24 | guest___ | how to run grub installer ? |
| 10:41.11 | at0m | dpkg: tell guest about fixmbr |
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| 10:41.26 | at0m | dpkg: tell guest___ about fixmbr |
| 10:42.05 | babilen | tobiasBora: https://sourceforge.net/p/msmtp/code/ci/master/tree/scripts/msmtpq/ (in case you've problems finding it) |
| 10:42.29 | tobiasBora | babilen: thank you. So I guess I can't find it in any package manager |
| 10:43.04 | babilen | Not the queue script |
| 10:43.11 | guest___ | at0m: can i use install iso as live ? |
| 10:43.25 | babilen | tobiasBora: msmtp is packaged |
| 10:43.34 | tobiasBora | babilen: ohhh, I just realize that mstpq was in the nix package ^^ |
| 10:43.43 | tobiasBora | thank you! |
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| 10:44.06 | babilen | tobiasBora: Ah, msmtpq can be found in /usr/share/doc/msmtp/examples/ |
| 10:44.21 | tobiasBora | babilen: funny |
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| 10:45.05 | babilen | msmtp-gnome package has keyring support if you like to use that |
| 10:45.33 | tobiasBora | babilen: I will use passwordeval and gpg manually I think |
| 10:45.46 | tobiasBora | (I don't like to add useless dependencies) |
| 10:46.01 | at0m | guest___: no, point grub to your debian install disk: update-grub && grub-install /dev/installdisk |
| 10:46.28 | at0m | guest___: where /dev/installdisk probably is /dev/sda |
| 10:47.10 | at0m | guest___: you can run that from within your debian installation, without usbdisk/CD connected |
| 10:48.18 | babilen | tobiasBora: sure, use whatever works for you. Just thought I'd mention it in case you have the keyring running already. :) |
| 10:48.19 | tobiasBora | babilen: in the man of msmtp, I can read "Remote Message Queue Starting mode:" Is it supposed to be plugged into another smtp server? |
| 10:48.42 | tobiasBora | babilen: sure, and thank you ;) |
| 10:48.43 | babilen | Well, you need a "proper" smtp server somewhere to send your mail |
| 10:49.40 | babilen | If msmtp does not fit your requirements, I might have misunderstood what you're trying to achieve |
| 10:50.29 | tobiasBora | babilen: oh I think it does fit my requirements, I just don't understand the difference between the script msmtpq and the option I mentionned in the man "Remove Message Queue Starting mode" |
| 10:50.46 | jolt | tobiasBora: I think exim can do what you are saying, together with mailx for the users to send with. Or mutt or another email client |
| 10:51.09 | tobiasBora | jolt: exim isn't supposed to run as root? |
| 10:51.10 | babilen | Sure, postfix can do that too |
| 10:51.26 | alkisg | When my project is GPLv3, how bad is it to use a small ":license: GPLv3, see LICENSE for details." like https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx/blob/master/sphinx/cmdline.py, |
| 10:51.27 | alkisg | ...instead of the long GPLv3 license like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/meld/blob/master/meld/misc.py ? |
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| 10:51.30 | jolt | tobiasBora: the deamon that delivers stuff yes, but thats different from sending |
| 10:51.48 | babilen | tobiasBora: The service itself will run as an exim user, but it would require you to configure exim (or postfix), so that it can send your mail for you |
| 10:51.55 | jolt | tobiasBora: you create the message with mailx, who handles it over to the MTA (exim) |
| 10:51.59 | tobiasBora | jolt: yes I know, but I may need it on a lab where I don't have root access on it |
| 10:52.05 | babilen | tobiasBora: Depending on what you're trying to achieve it might be better suited than msmtp |
| 10:52.06 | jolt | tobiasBora: Aha! Sorry! |
| 10:52.22 | jolt | tobiasBora: I missed that tiny part. So no package since you cant install it? |
| 10:52.35 | guest___ | uupdate-grub && grub-install /dev/sda bash: command not found |
| 10:52.37 | tobiasBora | jolt: With nix, I can install any package I like as non root ;Ã |
| 10:52.40 | babilen | Both exim and postfix are overkill if all you want is to configure another SMTP server that relays your mail for you |
| 10:52.40 | tobiasBora | ;)* |
| 10:52.44 | guest___ | i am typing that in terminal |
| 10:53.02 | jolt | tobiasBora: well, exim only needs root to listen to port 25. If thats not the case, then you can run that as a user |
| 10:53.05 | babilen | guest___: You're after "update-grub" rather than "uupdate-grub" |
| 10:53.59 | tobiasBora | oh really? Good to know then. |
| 10:54.06 | guest___ | babilen: i am typing update-grub |
| 10:54.09 | jolt | tobiasBora: I have used nullmailer in the past, should be fine as well. Might still need an external SMTP server (because most providers block port 25 anyway) |
| 10:54.26 | babilen | guest___: As root? |
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| 10:54.31 | tobiasBora | babilen: there is a big difference between exim and msmtp in term of overhead? |
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| 10:55.06 | jolt | tobiasBora: there are differnt exim-packages, the smallest one should be ok, but I think nullmailer is some hack in perl or something |
| 10:55.09 | babilen | exim is a proper mailserver, msmtp is a small program that forwards your mail to a "proper" one (like exim or postfix) |
| 10:55.33 | guest___ | babilen: entered that as root but still when laptop boot it enters into grub command line |
| 10:55.39 | babilen | If all you want is to configure something local to use mail accounts you have elsewhere, then msmtp is a good choice |
| 10:55.55 | tobiasBora | babilen: ok thanks. I think I'll stick to msmtp then, thanks! |
| 10:56.00 | guest___ | when i type exit , boot manager open and still able to see ubuntu |
| 10:57.27 | babilen | guest___: I think you completely lost me. Earlier you were installing Debian and now you're struggling with your bootloader. Something happened in between |
| 10:57.46 | babilen | You should be able to run both "update-grub" and "grub-install" as root |
| 10:57.56 | babilen | If there are other problems you might want to describe them |
| 10:57.59 | guest___ | babilen: yes i am able to use them as root |
| 10:58.03 | babilen | Having said that: time for lunch now |
| 10:58.06 | guest___ | it worked |
| 10:58.35 | guest___ | but still ubuntu is present in boot boot manager |
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| 10:59.08 | babilen | Paste the output of both those commands to http://paste.debian.net and I'm sure someone in here can help you |
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| 10:59.31 | guest___ | babilen: it is sucessful without any error |
| 10:59.54 | babilen | If it is successful, I don't see what the problem is |
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| 11:00.33 | babilen | There should also be additional output (even if it isn't an error), that might shed light on what you perceive to be your problem |
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| 11:03.51 | XB23 | hey all, how can i enable promiscous mode on my lxcbr0 device permanantly? |
| 11:03.56 | XB23 | so after a reboot it dosent get unset |
| 11:04.18 | guest___ | babilen: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gqnFpGv5by/ |
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| 11:10.02 | bites | XB23: is using ifupdown, just put a post-up line in your interfaces file. |
| 11:10.16 | bites | s/is/if/ |
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| 11:10.29 | guest___ | babilen: i am going to intall debian again , can you please tell which is best ufei or leagacy ? |
| 11:10.56 | guest___ | i think the problem is caused because i created debian bootable pendrive by using ubuntu software |
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| 11:14.29 | XB23 | bites: i dont have lxcbr0 on my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:14.59 | bites | oh, it's lxc, i missed that# |
| 11:15.45 | XB23 | yeh :) |
| 11:18.40 | jolt | XB23: ip link set <dev> promisc on maybe? |
| 11:19.02 | XB23 | Yeh but how can i do that persistently jolt? |
| 11:19.06 | jolt | XB23: I'm not sure when that bridge is up, but maybe you can add it to a after some other interfaces are up? |
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| 11:19.42 | jolt | XB23: worst case, create a systemd service that does just that, at the last part of the boot. Or use /etc/rc.local? |
| 11:20.26 | XB23 | i did add ip link set link dev lxcbr0 promisc on to /etc/rc.local |
| 11:20.28 | bites | maybe lxc has a hook for things like that. you could ask in #lxcontainers |
| 11:20.30 | hanasaki | current version of gnome on debian. screen lock enabled however does not start. thoughts on how to debug / cause / fix? |
| 11:20.30 | XB23 | but didnt seem to do anything |
| 11:20.54 | bites | because it needs to run after the interface is up. rc.local won't work for that. |
| 11:21.19 | XB23 | ah |
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| 11:23.08 | jolt | Do it with systemctl and after net.boot or whatever that parameter is then |
| 11:23.14 | jolt | or after lxc mayhaps |
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| 11:24.31 | jolt | lxc.no_new_privs seems to be something in lxc |
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| 11:33.21 | XB23 | no_new_privs? |
| 11:33.46 | XB23 | wonder if i just set a cron to run every 5 mins running |
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| 11:33.52 | Asassin333 | g |
| 11:33.52 | XB23 | ip link set link dev lxcbr0 promisc on |
| 11:34.00 | XB23 | would that be classed as really bad? |
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| 11:34.15 | jolt | XB23: Ugly, make a systemdthingie |
| 11:34.28 | XB23 | How do I do that? |
| 11:34.39 | Asassin333 | anyone here want to join me in plotting an assasination to kill Donald Trump= mesg me |
| 11:35.31 | jolt | XB23: https://gist.github.com/drmalex07/d006f12914b21198ee43 |
| 11:35.51 | jolt | XB23: then systemctl daemon-reload and systemctl start foo.service |
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| 11:36.28 | XB23 | Thanks |
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| 11:36.39 | Asassin333 | lorenzo? lol what a name |
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| 11:36.43 | bites | enable if you want it to start automatically. |
| 11:36.45 | Asassin333 | lozza |
| 11:37.13 | XB23 | fab, cheers |
| 11:37.17 | jolt | what bites said |
| 11:37.24 | Asassin333 | sounds like some balding old italian/spanish man |
| 11:37.27 | CrazyTux | what's your opinion on Debian stable based distro SolydXK? |
| 11:37.32 | guest___ | which is good for a new laptop , bios or uefi ? |
| 11:37.38 | guest___ | no dual os |
| 11:37.38 | XB23 | so does systemd run after network devices are up? |
| 11:38.09 | Asassin333 | my opinion? well id say its ok, just needs a little more penache |
| 11:38.16 | jolt | XB23: I guess "After=lxc-net.service" maybe |
| 11:38.27 | Asassin333 | like more hooter pics |
| 11:38.29 | CrazyTux | and what about MX Linux? |
| 11:38.37 | jolt | XB23: Or just comment out the After thing in the example |
| 11:38.41 | Asassin333 | MX rocks cocks |
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| 11:38.53 | CrazyTux | Asassin333, what? |
| 11:38.57 | Asassin333 | kinda gay |
| 11:39.29 | meowtism | Asassin333: are you 12? |
| 11:39.30 | jolt | !ops |
| 11:39.30 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 11:39.32 | jelly | CrazyTux: well you're asking in #debian and not #solydxk or #mxlinux so |
| 11:39.33 | Asassin333 | MX Linux- wotever that is |
| 11:39.39 | jim | hmmm. |
| 11:39.42 | XB23 | Thankyou jolt :) |
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| 11:40.11 | Asassin333 | no im an 40 year old drop out who still lives with my mum-- and im not joking i can prove it |
| 11:40.26 | Asassin333 | if ur surprised |
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| 11:40.45 | jim | please spell out u as you, it helps people (particularly new english speakers) to understand, at least, most of what's going on |
| 11:40.59 | jolt | dpkg: ops some cleanup perhaps |
| 11:41.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: jolt complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 11:41.07 | vNistelroot | hey guys, just installed debian9 and virtualbox (manual) |
| 11:41.12 | jelly | jolt: done, thanks |
| 11:41.26 | vNistelroot | gui interface is huge, very huge, a pain |
| 11:41.32 | jim | vNistelroot, any good? |
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| 11:41.42 | vNistelroot | and im not able to resize it through qt4-config and so on |
| 11:41.45 | vNistelroot | sup jim |
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| 11:41.54 | jim | hi |
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| 11:42.04 | CrazyTux | I really like Debian's stability. It is rock solid. But, why don't you create a version of Debian that is as out of the box and as appealing to new users, like linux mint or zorin os? |
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| 11:42.27 | jelly | CrazyTux: someone has to do that work. |
| 11:42.32 | meowtism | CrazyTux: you are welcome to do it |
| 11:42.44 | CrazyTux | I am a non technical end user. |
| 11:43.04 | meowtism | CrazyTux: there are many courses you can take and advance your knowledge. its the beauty of opensource |
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| 11:43.15 | CrazyTux | I don't have the slightest knowledge of programming. |
| 11:43.19 | jelly | CrazyTux: debian devs and maintainers are 99% self-taught volunteers |
| 11:43.24 | meowtism | CrazyTux: its a good time to start |
| 11:43.27 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 11:43.30 | vNistelroot | no one experienced this virtualbox shit under debian? |
| 11:43.39 | jim | CrazyTux, you could learn to alter gui configs of various elements, and submit them to debian |
| 11:43.42 | jelly | you can be one, and making nice themes isn't programming at all |
| 11:44.15 | XB23 | holt: https://pastebin.com/1N9yUYSW |
| 11:44.18 | XB23 | jolt even |
| 11:44.22 | CrazyTux | ok. But, distros like Mint and Zorin are more than just nice themes. |
| 11:44.23 | XB23 | is that correct how you would do it? |
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| 11:44.35 | jelly | CrazyTux: that just means more work :-) |
| 11:44.47 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 11:44.48 | jim | vNistelroot, so you're running a virtualbox configuration tool? |
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| 11:45.24 | vNistelroot | nope, just installed virtualbox as always by hand |
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| 11:46.25 | jim | if you installed it by hand, would it be the same as when you installed it all the other times? |
| 11:46.45 | XB23 | jolt: you still around mate? |
| 11:46.45 | vNistelroot | sure, ive done it a lot of times! for example debian 8 |
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| 11:47.05 | jim | jessie |
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| 11:47.29 | jim | in jessie, can you resize the thing you want to resize? |
| 11:47.51 | vNistelroot | nope, but it feets to your resolution |
| 11:48.27 | jim | in every dist you install vbox manually? |
| 11:49.01 | vNistelroot | yeah manually always latest version |
| 11:49.12 | vNistelroot | the only thing changed this time |
| 11:49.19 | vNistelroot | is a high resolution screen |
| 11:49.51 | jim | I'm curious about something... I believe vbox is available packaged for debian stretch... could you try installing that and see if you can resize the part you want to? |
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| 11:50.21 | vNistelroot | im going to try that way instead, let me check |
| 11:50.36 | jolt | XB23: yes! |
| 11:50.50 | jim | probably it's simply apt install virtualbox |
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| 11:50.54 | XB23 | all good yeh? |
| 11:51.19 | vNistelroot | if i do apt-get remove --purge, vms remains on the host right? |
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| 11:51.24 | jolt | XB23: I think so! |
| 11:51.25 | XB23 | jolt: so how do i make the service enable on startup? |
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| 11:51.35 | vNistelroot | i mean already vms on the disk |
| 11:51.36 | wrksx | hey there |
| 11:51.40 | jim | hi |
| 11:51.51 | jolt | XB23: first, systemctl daemon-reload (to pickup the new file), then systemctl enable <whatever you nameit> |
| 11:52.01 | wrksx | To my understanding the deb-src lines in apt sources are use to grab source code for the packages |
| 11:52.11 | wrksx | Is there any reason I need to keep them around ? |
| 11:52.20 | jolt | wrksx: If you don't build stuff, then no! |
| 11:52.39 | wrksx | That's what I thought |
| 11:52.46 | wrksx | Going to comment them |
| 11:52.48 | jim | wrksx, yes, specifically, debianized source, that know how to build the software then build packages out of the result |
| 11:52.49 | jolt | But since the idea of debian is that its free as in open source, it's important that they are there to begin with |
| 11:53.13 | wrksx | jolt, yes of course |
| 11:53.20 | CrazyTux | can we install SAP ERP on Debian stable? |
| 11:53.39 | jolt | CrazyTux: That is more of a question to SAP than Debian I think. |
| 11:53.41 | CrazyTux | I don't need the support. I just need to be able to install it and use it. |
| 11:53.46 | jim | well one reason to keep them is if you want to alter them and keep your changes |
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| 11:53.53 | jelly | CrazyTux: maybe. But you want to run commercially supported software on a supported platform to get support. |
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| 11:54.08 | jelly | heh |
| 11:54.22 | CrazyTux | I need that just for educational purposes. |
| 11:54.29 | jelly | so can you? TIAS |
| 11:54.31 | jim | but if you just want to download them and build them, you're right, there's no reason to keep them |
| 11:54.37 | Fox | CrazyTux: debian is not in the list of their supported distributions |
| 11:54.51 | CrazyTux | yes. That is why I asked. |
| 11:55.00 | CrazyTux | can it be installed on Debian? |
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| 11:55.07 | Fox | use it at your own risk then :) |
| 11:55.14 | wrksx | jim, your last statement confuses me |
| 11:55.17 | jelly | CrazyTux: we don't know, Try It And See |
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| 11:55.27 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 11:55.38 | XB23 | jolt: when you say what I named it, you mean the name of the file in systemd? |
| 11:56.17 | jim | wrksx, in fact, you normally don't need the source at all, so you don't have to download it even |
| 11:56.22 | CrazyTux | It can be installed on Redhat. So, I suppose it can be installed on CentOS too. |
| 11:56.39 | wrksx | jim, yeah right, prebuilt packages are fine for me |
| 11:56.51 | jelly | anything that works on linux can be installed on debian if you're determined enough to fix all the different bits, but that's not a useful answer |
| 11:57.04 | wrksx | If one day the need arsise i'll just need to uncomment these |
| 11:57.07 | jim | one reason to keep a source, is if you want to learn to package stuff |
| 11:57.20 | wrksx | jim, jolt, thx |
| 11:57.43 | jolt | XB23: yes. so lxc-promisc.service or whatnot |
| 11:57.47 | guest___ | in leagacy mode why debian create ESP partition ? |
| 11:57.52 | jim | you're welcome... and, in the future please expand thx as thanks |
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| 11:58.24 | vNistelroot | tried it with virtualbox-5.1 with apt and same weird behaviour |
| 11:59.11 | jim | so the packaged version doesn't fix the problem you're experiencing |
| 11:59.14 | jelly | jim: this isn't ##English, lay off the language corrections |
| 11:59.37 | jim | oh what channel am I on? |
| 11:59.43 | jim | oh shit, sorryu |
| 12:00.07 | vNistelroot | https://ibb.co/e6YMRT |
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| 12:01.48 | XB23 | yes it works, how cool is that! |
| 12:02.04 | XB23 | so systemctl enable service.name - makes it run on boot? |
| 12:02.19 | guest___ | is ESP partition required on legacy ? |
| 12:02.29 | jim | no |
| 12:03.06 | guest___ | jim: then why debian defualt partitioning create ESP ? |
| 12:03.19 | jim | dunno :) |
| 12:04.03 | jim | you can always manually partition, either all of it or after doing some form of guided |
| 12:04.38 | guest___ | jim: can you please tell , i am having 120gb ssd and want to install debian 9 |
| 12:04.51 | guest___ | and dont want swap as i am having 12gb ram |
| 12:05.05 | guest___ | which partition to create manually ? |
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| 12:05.26 | jim | just manually partition, and add the partitions as you want them |
| 12:05.44 | guest___ | jim: just / ext4 is enough ? |
| 12:06.41 | jelly | that'd be the minimum yes |
| 12:07.06 | jim | well unless you want a separate /home or /var or both... but yes, you should be able to install with just a / partition |
| 12:07.23 | jelly | you could still give it a 1GB swap or so just to be safe from any lefotver kernel bugs |
| 12:07.55 | guest___ | jelly: swap partition is better than swap file ? |
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| 12:09.19 | jim | a swap file should work fine |
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| 12:09.41 | jelly | guest___: a bit, yes |
| 12:10.10 | meowtism | guest___: depends on your disk, is it an SSD or a mechanical one ? |
| 12:10.21 | jelly | they said ssd |
| 12:10.21 | guest___ | ssd |
| 12:10.32 | meowtism | oh sorry :) thne what jelly said :) |
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| 12:11.37 | jim | well ssds differ in quality too... what kind did you get? |
| 12:12.28 | bites | would your recommendation depend on what quality ssd they got? |
| 12:12.35 | wrksx | Just read this on gitlab-runner online install documentation |
| 12:12.36 | wrksx | Since Debian Stretch, Debian maintainers added their native package with the same name as is used by our package, and by default the official repositories will have a higher priority. |
| 12:13.04 | wrksx | But I can't find that package with the same name |
| 12:13.27 | bites | ,v gitlab-runner |
| 12:13.28 | judd | Package: gitlab-runner on amd64 -- sid: 10.7.1+dfsg-1 |
| 12:13.33 | guest___ | ADATA SP580 Premier 120GB Internal Solid State Drive |
| 12:13.34 | bites | only on sid |
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| 12:13.55 | wrksx | hum |
| 12:14.05 | bites | the documentation was probably from when stretch was still in testing. |
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| 12:14.22 | wrksx | right |
| 12:14.33 | jim | bites, maybe... see, what they found out in the beginning, is that the old original and crappy ssds would fail with a particular number of writes |
| 12:15.09 | jelly | jim: that was like 10 years ago, and there are smart attributes for ssds now. |
| 12:15.15 | wrksx | bites, anyway thx for confirming |
| 12:16.00 | bites | my pleasure. |
| 12:16.25 | jelly | they still fail, but torture tests (running for years) show they fail lots _after_ the declared TBW |
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| 12:20.31 | at0m | after running fstrim on a (recently installed) machine lately, i noticed the excessively large trim size it reported. then added an "fstrim -av" to a weekly crontab. afaik that's ok for SSD's, right. |
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| 12:24.16 | jim | ssds have gotten much better since then... and, I dunno if I'd subject them to a swap or a log |
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| 12:27.53 | babilen | *shudder* |
| 12:27.59 | jelly | just a swap partition is completely ok, as long as you take heed when the system is actuvely swapping all the time |
| 12:28.11 | cef | at0m: you could probably increase the length of time if you're worried.. ie: start monthly or fortnightly |
| 12:28.12 | jelly | and you'll notice that. |
| 12:28.37 | jim | what would you do if you noticed that? |
| 12:28.50 | jelly | but more RAM |
| 12:28.52 | jelly | buy* |
| 12:28.57 | jelly | or fix your workload |
| 12:29.43 | at0m | cef: weekly or indeed monthly are fine, but no discard option and no fstrim schedule was not |
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| 12:37.09 | guest___ | all mirror says bad archive mirror |
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| 12:37.26 | guest___ | while installing debian 9 |
| 12:38.05 | greycat | Is your network interface working at all? Is it wifi? Do you need non-free firmware for it? Did you supply non-free firmware for it? |
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| 12:38.37 | guest___ | greycat: i am using lan , it was working before powercut , |
| 12:38.39 | greycat | Does your Internet connection require some sort of authentication? |
| 12:38.55 | guest___ | i am using same on my desktop too |
| 12:39.00 | guest___ | not required |
| 12:39.38 | greycat | Then I guess you'll want to check Ctrl-Alt-F3 or Ctrl-Alt-F4 (I don't recall which one) for logs. Or go to Ctrl-Alt-F2 for a (limited) terminal where you can run commands like dmesg or ip addr. |
| 12:40.05 | guest___ | thx |
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| 12:50.13 | guest___ | what are standard system utilities while installing debian 9 ? |
| 12:50.28 | greycat | all packages with priority "Standard" |
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| 12:51.32 | greycat | Things like host, lsof, ncurses-term, ... |
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| 12:52.36 | guest___ | where i can get complete list ? |
| 12:52.47 | bites | aptitude search ~pstandard |
| 12:52.58 | greycat | Install Debian, and then look for "Priority: standard" in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:53.09 | guest___ | can i install them after installing debian ? |
| 12:53.10 | greycat | ... or that other thing |
| 12:53.15 | greycat | guest___: yes, you could |
| 12:53.30 | petn-randall | guest___: Yes, you can install and remove any package, except maybe for essential packages. |
| 12:53.39 | petn-randall | guest___: That's the whole point of a distro. |
| 12:54.03 | greycat | If you skip "standard" during the install, you get an absolutely minimal essentials-only installation. |
| 12:54.19 | greycat | Just enough to boot, get on the network, and apt-get more stuff. |
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| 12:57.05 | jelly-home | !standard |
| 12:57.05 | dpkg | standard task is, like, a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
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| 12:58.27 | jelly-home | ,i task-standard |
| 12:58.28 | judd | No package named 'task-standard' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 12:58.38 | jelly-home | ah right |
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| 13:07.55 | JustASlacker | uh |
| 13:08.08 | JustASlacker | any way to recover my crontab after I did crontab -r = |
| 13:08.31 | greycat | restore from your most recent backup |
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| 13:08.37 | petn-randall | this ^ |
| 13:08.51 | JustASlacker | gnah |
| 13:08.52 | jolt | lol |
| 13:09.37 | petn-randall | JustASlacker: you /have/ backups, right? |
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| 13:10.07 | jolt | I guess he wouldn't ask the question if he had, just sayin' |
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| 13:13.20 | JustASlacker | yeah, Im doing the bacula dance right now |
| 13:13.41 | JustASlacker | I thought maybe -r keeps the old one somewhere |
| 13:13.47 | JustASlacker | or something |
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| 13:15.09 | Kolany | what is this page? https://tinyurl.com/ya79dnx5 |
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| 13:15.43 | greycat | It's called a "URL shortener". It redirects to some other page that has a larger URL. |
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| 13:18.23 | petn-randall | NSFW? |
| 13:18.49 | greycat | He got K-lined, for whatever that's worth. I didn't open it. |
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| 13:36.53 | jelly | one can do https://preview.tinyurl.com/ya79dnx5 to see what the URL would be without giving them views or getting malwared |
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| 13:37.47 | jelly | apparently it's an ip address collector / decloaker for dummies |
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| 13:39.17 | petn-randall | Oh, that spam. It's always just to some "show my ip" site. |
| 13:39.40 | jelly | maybe. But maybe that site does something more if you're coming from a specific target |
| 13:40.48 | greycat | At a bare minimum, it's not a Debian question. |
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| 13:40.59 | jelly | added to ASM. |
| 13:41.11 | petn-randall | Hmm, altervista does allow creating your own websites on a subdomain, indeed. But greycat is right, it's offtopic. |
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| 14:19.01 | guest___ | unable to install grub in dummy , while installing debian 9 |
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| 14:22.05 | babilen | guest___: Why would you have to? |
| 14:23.06 | guest___ | babilen: setup was installing it |
| 14:23.54 | babilen | Could you elaborate on the exact problem you're trying to solve? |
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| 14:25.20 | guest___ | babilen: i was installing debian 9 , i have not created efi partition , and i am not able to install bootloader , efi partition is the culprit ? |
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| 14:25.52 | babilen | Why did you not create an EFI compatible partitioning scheme? |
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| 14:26.05 | babilen | (like the one used by "guided partitioning) |
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| 14:27.38 | guest___ | babilen: i am using Legacy mode |
| 14:28.12 | babilen | Why would EFI be a problem then? |
| 14:28.34 | guest___ | idk |
| 14:28.37 | babilen | Or rather: Let me rephrase that: Why do you have to tinker with this in the first place? |
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| 14:29.16 | guest___ | babilen: i am learning about linux |
| 14:29.45 | greycat | In Legacy mode, with no other OS on the disk, you just install GRUB to the "master boot record" (the beginning) of the disk. That's it. |
| 14:29.56 | babilen | Sure, but when you install Debian it also configures the bootloader in such a way that you can boot your newly installed system |
| 14:30.02 | greycat | The installer should do this all for you, pretty much automatically. |
| 14:30.25 | babilen | The question is: Why do you tinker with it now? Has there been a problem? |
| 14:30.42 | guest___ | greycat: need to create mbr partition? |
| 14:30.48 | babilen | No |
| 14:31.01 | greycat | No. The MBR is not a partition. It's the literal start of the disk, just before the first partition. |
| 14:31.01 | babilen | It's simply the beginning of the disk |
| 14:31.24 | guest___ | babilen: i was getting the error , i didnt changed anything |
| 14:31.30 | babilen | Which error? |
| 14:31.37 | babilen | And when did you get it? |
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| 14:32.14 | guest___ | after apt config |
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| 14:33.14 | babilen | What happened after "apt config" ? |
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| 14:34.03 | guest___ | i wa getting that error |
| 14:34.09 | guest___ | was |
| 14:34.10 | greycat | WHAT error |
| 14:34.20 | guest___ | unable to install grub in dummy , while installing debian 9 |
| 14:34.35 | greycat | DO NOT repeat what you said before. Tell us the exact error. |
| 14:34.55 | guest___ | it was the heading |
| 14:35.05 | guest___ | and this is a fatal error |
| 14:35.12 | greycat | Do it again right now and then tell us exactly what it says. |
| 14:35.24 | domovoy_ | hi |
| 14:35.28 | guest___ | i restarted the installation |
| 14:35.39 | greycat | OK, then we'll wait until you get there. |
| 14:35.40 | domovoy_ | using git-buildpackage, i "gbp import-dsc --pristine-tar foo_version.dsc". Foo has fields: 'Format: 1.0', 'Source: foo', 'Version: 20180101+deb9u2'. I don't get any 'pristine-tar' branch, i guess because format is '1.0'. How do i switch to a '3.0 (quilt)' format? (with a pristine-tar branch) What should be the version for my 'quilted' version? (2018010+deb9u2-1, 20180101-1, 20180101-1+deb9u2, something else?) |
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| 14:35.56 | babilen | Okay.. and you used "guided partitioning" which you changed to not use a swap partition? |
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| 14:36.08 | guest___ | i figured it out , even after selecting leagacy mode , installer is started in ufei mode |
| 14:36.22 | babilen | domovoy_: I'd recommend to take this question to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:36.51 | domovoy_ | babilen> ok, i'll try that |
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| 14:37.20 | babilen | guest___: It depends on your system - If it boots in UEFI mode, the installer is started in that mode. Either way "guided partitioning" should create the partitions necessary for the bootloader |
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| 14:39.54 | guest___ | i have selected leagacy mode but still installer boots in uefi mode |
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| 14:40.19 | greycat | What do you mean by "I have selected legacy mode"? Where? How? |
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| 14:40.51 | greycat | If you want the installer to boot in Legacy mode, usually you have to go into the firmware/BIOS and tell it to do this. |
| 14:40.54 | babilen | Besides: What's the problem with UEFI? The installer and grub should work in both |
| 14:41.20 | greycat | Also that. If the installer boots in UEFI mode and if you aren't constrained by another OS on the disk, just let it do a UEFI install. |
| 14:41.21 | guest___ | greycat: in bios , i have selected leagacy |
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| 14:43.32 | petn-randall | guest___: Do you already have another OS on the system you want to keep? |
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| 14:44.22 | guest___ | petn-randall: no |
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| 14:45.04 | petn-randall | guest___: Then I'd recommend installing in UEFI mode. If you set legacy and it still boots with UEFI mode, you didn't set it right. Consult the documentation of your laptop/mainboard on how to do that. |
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| 15:41.35 | donofrio | With Power5 (big endin - I believe) https://tinyurl.com/donofriog5inxi what iso should I be burning to dvd? |
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| 15:45.46 | somiaj | donofrio: are you trying to install ubuntu? This channel is for #debian support. |
| 15:46.29 | donofrio | I have ubuntu 16.04 but it's dead end....used that link to show what hardware I have on this G5 tower was all...looking for debian goodness |
| 15:46.50 | somiaj | debian has dropped support for powerppc, and it is no longer an offical port in debian either. |
| 15:47.44 | somiaj | the only offical power ppc port is the ppc64el, but I'm unsure on the details of this port. |
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| 15:49.01 | somiaj | you might find some better answers in #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:49.36 | donofrio | ok I'll try |
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| 15:50.20 | somiaj | here is the ppc64el release notes, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ppc64el/release-notes/, if you need to use the old 32bit powerppc, it is all unoffical port these days. |
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| 15:51.38 | donofrio | somiaj, joining that channel now - I'll take unofficial ports too.... ;) |
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| 16:01.56 | MrK | Hi, I'm currently using Debian Wheezy for my Redmine server and I know that it uses mysql 5.5 for its database. I read that upgrading to Debian Stretch would replace any mysql package with MariaDB. Would that have any impact to my system? Thanks |
| 16:02.11 | MrK | Here's the link I read: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.html |
| 16:03.14 | donofrio | somiaj, so is my g5 tower a ppc64el or? were you able to read my tinyurl link? |
| 16:03.16 | petn-randall | MrK: Likely not, it's mean to be a drop-in replacement that's developed by the people that created mysql. |
| 16:03.34 | petn-randall | MrK: However it's sensible to make backups, and test it before putting it to production. |
| 16:03.48 | greycat | It should be roughly the same as upgrading to MySQL version 10 would be. |
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| 16:04.19 | greycat | Or... huh, I guess the version numbers are not the same. |
| 16:04.20 | somiaj | donofrio: I don't know enough about ppc hardware to say, why I pointed you to #debianppc on irc.oftc.net, as you may find people familar with that hardware there |
| 16:04.44 | petn-randall | greycat: Right. Have you already forgotten that a bigger version number means better? |
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| 16:05.36 | karlpinc | MrK: The thing to do if you have any questions is to read the /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian.gz file. It will say if there are any issues related to Debian, upgrading, etc. |
| 16:05.37 | somiaj | donofrio: your paste seems to say you were running a 64 bit kernel, so if I would to guess, I would side on likely. |
| 16:06.27 | petn-randall | greycat: That's why Chrome is at version 66, which is better than the Linux kernel which hasn't even reached 5 yet. |
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| 16:07.04 | somiaj | what about 1:2 and 66? (: |
| 16:07.07 | jhutchins_wk | MariaDB is definitely a fork of MySQL and may not be 100% compatible, they are adding features. |
| 16:07.18 | jhutchins_wk | Percona is committed to being 100% compatible. |
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| 16:12.43 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: Yes, but at least the wheezy upgrade is 100% backwards compatible. Or so I recall. |
| 16:12.46 | jelly | percona is also not in debian (but they have nice packages of their own) |
| 16:13.07 | greycat | karlpinc: you mean stretch? |
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| 16:13.33 | jelly | the wrost thing is their product is called percona-server, so the server deb package is named percona-server-server |
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| 16:13.43 | karlpinc | greycat: Which ever Debian release switched the default from MySQL to MariaDB. (Sorry if I got that wrong.) |
| 16:13.52 | jelly | karlpinc: stretch |
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| 16:14.08 | karlpinc | I remember thinking "Better do it now, in case later it's not compatible." |
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| 16:15.58 | monalisa | Hi... How often are mailing lists updated on the web? I look if my query is published or is being rejected for some reason. I have fixed my email to plain text and 80 columns, but the latest web update shows the 11GMT. |
| 16:16.24 | greycat | Depends on which list archive it is, I suppose. |
| 16:16.31 | monalisa | debian-user |
| 16:16.37 | greycat | But which one? |
| 16:17.06 | monalisa | debian-user@lists.debian.org?? |
| 16:17.14 | jelly | isn't it every 20 minutes or so |
| 16:17.17 | greycat | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ says "List archives get refreshed every 20 minutes." |
| 16:17.20 | jelly | or is that bts |
| 16:17.34 | greycat | monalisa: Not which mailing list. Which ARCHIVE of the mailing list. |
| 16:17.47 | greycat | The one at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ says it's updated every 20 minutes. |
| 16:18.44 | jelly | pours one out for gmane.org |
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| 16:26.15 | monalisa | greycat: Surprisingly it is the first time I send a query to a mailing list. What do you mean by archive? |
| 16:26.55 | greycat | There are web pages that show you the messages that have been sent ao a mailing list over the years. This is an archive. |
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| 16:27.31 | greycat | One of the archives of the debian-user mailing list is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ |
| 16:28.02 | greycat | It literally has the word "Archives" on the page. |
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| 16:29.11 | greycat | You can think of it like a log file for the mailing list. "This is what happened in April 2015." |
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| 16:30.54 | monalisa | Ok Greycat, I'm looking at debian-user list for today... the update date has changed and my message just appeared, probably my first message was rejected then. |
| 16:31.06 | monalisa | Thanks greycat, jelly. :) |
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| 16:37.12 | jhutchins_wk | Searching the archives can often yeild solutions to known problems. |
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| 17:34.43 | blasen | hello. i have copied linux partition from usb onto a harddrive. i have marked that partition as 'active'. trying to boot from that disk, it failed, obviously unable to find the proper bootsequence. now it's not the 'first' partition on that disk, could it be the reason it fails? or what else would i need to care about in order to make it work? |
| 17:36.01 | greycat | When you boot from a disk in Legacy mode, the system firmware/BIOS reads the code in the Master Boot Record, at the start of the raw disk, before and outside of any partitions. |
| 17:36.19 | greycat | If all you did was copy a Linux file system into a partition, then you also need to install the boot loader onto the disk. |
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| 17:40.13 | blasen | i used a tool to copy the whole partition. so you say it has to be at the start of the disk? i thought marking some partition as "active" would make the bios look at this partition for the MBR .. or whatever it would be. guess i'll try to move it then |
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| 17:40.56 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:40.57 | greycat | NO. |
| 17:41.01 | greycat | The PARTITION is fine. |
| 17:41.08 | greycat | The MBR is a SEPARATE THING. |
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| 17:41.28 | blasen | oh ok.. so how do i make it work? |
| 17:41.46 | greycat | "man grub-install" is the only starting point that I know. |
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| 17:42.43 | blasen | is the MBR completely independent of the partitions? |
| 17:42.52 | greycat | Yes. In Legacy mode. |
| 17:43.04 | greycat | If this is a UEFI boot setup then it's completely different. |
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| 17:44.42 | blasen | so with grub i can eventually make it work, without making changes to the partitions or writing to them at all. correct? |
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| 17:46.28 | greycat | Most likely you will need to boot from whatever actually works (your install CD or install USB device, for example), mount the new file system that you just made, chroot into that, and then run some sort of grub-install command. |
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| 17:50.31 | blasen | the reason i ask is, if that's true, then i keep the first partition on that disk (its not even linux) .. when i can't keep the first parition there, i need to overthink it.. thanks for help// |
| 17:51.13 | greycat | If the disk has an "EFI partition" then you are probably dealing with a UEFI boot and then what I said no longer applies. |
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| 17:51.35 | blasen | ah ok.. no it has none. thanks for that hint. |
| 17:52.16 | blasen | yeah that uefi shizzle adds an additional layer of confusion, haven't had time to check out how it works. |
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| 17:55.12 | blasen | could i have several partitions with multiple OS installed with that UEFI setup? like having a bootmenu to chose which to boot from? or would that be too easy? :> |
| 17:55.22 | blasen | *sigh |
| 17:55.30 | greycat | I am definitely not an expert on UEFI. |
| 17:55.41 | blasen | alright. thanks a lot. |
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| 18:23.32 | jhutchins_wk | blackes__: Yes, grub can manage booting to multiple OSs on multiple partitions. |
| 18:23.37 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 18:23.37 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 18:23.58 | jhutchins_wk | blackes__: That ^ is the process to (re)install grub to the MBR. |
| 18:24.02 | guest___ | after installing Debian , wifi not working |
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| 18:24.57 | greycat | install the non-free firmware if your device needs that (most do) |
| 18:25.34 | guest___ | greycat: how ? |
| 18:27.11 | greycat | Do you have ethernet to the system? |
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| 18:27.31 | guest___ | greycat: yes |
| 18:27.37 | greycat | Then probably with apt. |
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| 18:28.58 | guest___ | greycat: can you please explain |
| 18:29.24 | guest___ | greycat: follow it https://wiki.debian.org/wl ? |
| 18:29.36 | greycat | Identify which firmware package you must install. Add contrib and non-free to your sources.list if it's not already there. apt-get update; apt-get install firmware-whatever |
| 18:29.42 | jhutchins_wk | blackes__: Oops. |
| 18:30.16 | guest___ | greycat: i think on ubuntu was installing something like wdcl |
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| 18:31.11 | jhutchins_wk | guest___: You can find out what the system's looking for with dmesg | less - serarching for "wifi" or "firmware" might help. |
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| 18:31.34 | jhutchins_wk | You can use lspci -nn to determine what chipset you have and we can look up what driver and firmware it needs. |
| 18:31.44 | greycat | I usually start with "dmesg | grep -i firmware" |
| 18:32.05 | jhutchins_wk | That often points right to the solution. |
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| 18:33.44 | guest___ | dmesa log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2wTd9g8vmB/ |
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| 18:34.52 | guest___ | Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01) |
| 18:35.21 | greycat | ,pciid 14e4:4365 |
| 18:35.22 | judd | [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Limited' with kernel modules 'bcma', 'brcmfmac' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4365 |
| 18:35.38 | greycat | Bleh. judd needs to say what firmware too. |
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| 18:36.39 | somiaj | the bcm cards can be annoying for the firmware, since I belive the license prevents debian from distributing it. |
| 18:36.42 | guest___ | how to install it ? |
| 18:36.58 | somiaj | usually a wired card is best, and download the assoicated script from contrib to download the firmware from broadcom |
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| 18:37.43 | guest___ | i am able to use internel on laptop |
| 18:37.47 | guest___ | internet |
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| 18:38.51 | somiaj | guest___: one option, use the third party module wl produced by broadcom, https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 18:39.32 | somiaj | if using the brcmsmac module, there is a firmware package firmware-brcm80211 |
| 18:39.33 | greycat | The wiki page says to use broadcom-sta-dkms for your PCI ID. |
| 18:39.34 | jhutchins_wk | ! bcm43142 |
| 18:39.35 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM43142 is a hybrid 802.11n and Bluetooth 4.0 device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 14e4:4365, incorrectly identified as BCM4365 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is currently only supported by Broadcom's proprietary driver since version 6.30.223.126 (packaged for Debian 8 "Jessie" as broadcom-sta-dkms). |
| 18:39.43 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
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| 18:41.02 | somiaj | actually the wiki says your specific card isn't supported, sounds like you have to use the wl driver |
| 18:41.35 | greycat | It's listed under "This driver is packaged for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release as broadcom-sta-dkms." |
| 18:42.06 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 18:42.32 | somiaj | I just always find broadcom chipsets a mess, so many different drivers and methods to get them....but yea follow the instructions for the wl driver |
| 18:42.42 | guest___ | followed all inst . written in https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 18:42.53 | greycat | Don't follow ALL the instructions!! |
| 18:42.54 | tobiasBora | I'd like to know, how could I remove the 1.1G of locales in /usr/share/locale that I don't use? I tried localpurge and localegen-purge, but nothing is removed... https://askubuntu.com/questions/477974/how-to-remove-unnecessary-locales |
| 18:43.00 | greycat | Follow the ones FOR YOUR DEVICE ONLY. |
| 18:43.19 | guest___ | thanks |
| 18:43.25 | somiaj | tobiasBora: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:43.37 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: I would expect that would work on Ubuntu, not on Debian. |
| 18:43.44 | somiaj | tobiasBora: that should give you a menu to select only the ones you want. |
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| 18:45.31 | tobiasBora | somiaj: I tried this, but the /usr/share/locale folder is still 1.1G big |
| 18:45.50 | greycat | I would NOT expect "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to remove data from /usr/share. |
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| 18:46.10 | somiaj | yea, I thought you meant generated locales, I don't think you want to get rid of those, they are the locale data provided by the software you have installed. |
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| 18:48.53 | guest___ | still something wrong with my dmesa log ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vpyXTwwMpg/ |
| 18:50.06 | somiaj | tobiasBora: I did find this, seems you can have dpkg not install locales you don't want, https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/15/save-disk-space-by-excluding-useless-files-with-dpkg/, but be very careful with that, you could break things. |
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| 18:50.13 | tobiasBora | somiaj: greycat : well I really don't mind to have russian, japanese or whatever, and my small SSD lacks space... |
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| 18:50.44 | guest___ | greycat: is my intel gfx installed correctly ? |
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| 18:50.53 | somiaj | tobiasBora: my /usr/share/local is only 300megs here, but I think it is related to the amount of debian packages you have installed and how much locale data comes with them. |
| 18:51.24 | tobiasBora | somiaj: mine is 1G, which is already 1/20th of my drive ^^ |
| 18:51.25 | greycat | mine's only 196M |
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| 18:51.37 | somiaj | its going to be related to the software you have installed |
| 18:51.46 | greycat | I suspect you installed a bunch of crap^W^W^W desktop environment. |
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| 18:52.00 | jhutchins_wk | guest___: That paste says exactly what package is needed for the graphics. |
| 18:52.27 | tobiasBora | greycat: I have only KDE installed |
| 18:52.34 | greycat | voila |
| 18:52.37 | tobiasBora | ahah |
| 18:53.00 | jhutchins_wk | 394M here with xfce |
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| 18:53.17 | guest___ | jhutchins_wk: how to install them ? |
| 18:53.24 | somiaj | tobiasBora: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=603587 -- might be related to why localepurge didn't do what you want. Seems in debian it works with the dpkg exclude options, but I think this only affects newly installed packages, not what is already installed. |
| 18:53.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/603587 in localepurge (closed): «localepurge: Please use dpkg --path-exclude / --path-include to implement the service»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2010-11-15; last modified: 2012-07-19. |
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| 18:54.07 | jhutchins | 328M on this one, where I do music, graphics, video editing, etc. |
| 18:54.17 | tobiasBora | somiaj: I think that when I ran the first thing, I actually chosed to use path-include, and in your link they say "wait the the packages are upgraded to free space". And hopefully I need to do a huge upgrade today ! :D |
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| 18:54.39 | greycat | tobiasBora: does a --reinstall also work, possibly? |
| 18:54.41 | somiaj | tobiasBora: well stretch packages don't upgrade that often, you may have to manually --reinstall them |
| 18:55.14 | tobiasBora | greycat: no idea, it may be a good idea |
| 18:55.32 | tobiasBora | somiaj: no worry, I'm on sid and I have something like 2000 upgrades to do |
| 18:55.34 | greycat | should be fairly simple to test with one package, and compare du output before & after |
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| 18:55.56 | somiaj | tobiasBora: in the future you should bring sid questions to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:56.29 | tobiasBora | (actually it's 2580) |
| 18:56.45 | greycat | wooledg:~$ dpkg -l | wc -l |
| 18:56.45 | greycat | 1254 |
| 18:56.47 | somiaj | that is why you have so many locales installed, you have tons of packages... |
| 18:56.53 | tobiasBora | somiaj: well most of the time my questions are general enough to fit in both channels... |
| 18:57.23 | somiaj | tobiasBora: still most here expect debian stable, and this channel is mostly stable support. |
| 18:57.28 | tobiasBora | and also with latex my doc folder is huge (4.7Go) |
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| 19:02.47 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: Moral: If you want lots of software, invest in a bigger disk. |
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| 19:04.17 | jhutchins_wk | tobiasBora: 128 GB $54.95 on pricewatch. |
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| 19:06.04 | tobiasBora | jhutchins_wk: well I have a 1T disk + a 20G SSD... I guess I can't put anything bigger on my laptop ;) |
| 19:06.22 | tobiasBora | (I'm really wondering why I use so much space...) |
| 19:06.29 | greycat | So mount /usr/share from the spinning disk...? |
| 19:06.43 | greycat | Or just all of /usr maybe. |
| 19:07.53 | somiaj | tobiasBora: 20Gigs is pushing the limit if you want a full DE + stuff like latex, and other large software. |
| 19:08.04 | tobiasBora | greycat: I have already /var on the disk |
| 19:08.07 | Tegu | that would put stuff like /usr/bin to the spinning disk as wel, which could be undesirable |
| 19:08.24 | tobiasBora | greycat: but /usr is not strange? For me all programs are on /usr |
| 19:08.38 | greycat | Do whatever makes the most sense. |
| 19:08.46 | somiaj | anyways, that localepurge setting should help, but I think over all the space you save from this isn't going to be that significant with the total space you want to use. |
| 19:09.01 | greycat | I have no idea how often the stuff in /usr/share is read by whatever programs you run. |
| 19:09.20 | tobiasBora | somiaj: Well I created a LVM partition for / that is both on the SSD and the hard drive, and I installed latex quite late, so I guess that latex is on the spinning hard drive ^^' |
| 19:09.28 | jhutchins_wk | This VM with xfce is on an 8G virtual disk. |
| 19:09.53 | tobiasBora | greycat: ok thanks |
| 19:10.01 | greycat | you have a logical volume that spans BOTH devices? that's insane. |
| 19:10.40 | tobiasBora | greycat: yes, what's bad? ^^' At some point I couldn't put anything more on the SSD so I had no choice |
| 19:10.58 | tobiasBora | (ok maybe I should have manually cut again /usr/something |
| 19:11.01 | tobiasBora | ) |
| 19:11.05 | greycat | The obvious choice would be to have the separate device as a separate volume group, with its own separate logical volumes. |
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| 19:11.48 | tobiasBora | greycat: and then I would have tens of small mounts? |
| 19:12.05 | somiaj | tobiasBora: in this case you have a mix of stuff being on the ssd and the spinning drive, which negats a lot of the affect of the ssd. This almost sounds like one of those strange laptops that have a spinning drive with a small ssd for the most used software, and needs some windows utility to nice utilize both. |
| 19:12.06 | greycat | Maybe. I don't know what you're doing. |
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| 19:13.46 | tobiasBora | somiaj: at the begining it was not supposed to be like that, but 20G is small, and I've no idea how to distribute well programs between two drives... Any idea if a linux projet is suppose to let me do that? |
| 19:14.14 | greycat | Linux lets you do whatever you want. It's your computer. |
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| 19:14.36 | jhutchins | somiaj: I believe the hybrid drives do all the management in hardware now. |
| 19:14.40 | somiaj | I don't think there is much linux support for those drives to ensure the stuff you want is on the the ssd and stuff you don't is on the spinning drive without a bunch fo manual confguation. |
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| 19:15.35 | somiaj | jhutchins: ahh. I'm unsure on such hardware, as the one laptop I had that had something similar, debian just didn't like running only on the SSD (even though it was more than enoughs pace for what I needed) |
| 19:15.45 | somiaj | so I just got rid of the ssd part and only used the spinning drive |
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| 19:16.22 | tobiasBora | greycat: well I'm not even sure how to share the same folder between two partitions... |
| 19:16.46 | greycat | tobiasBora: It's really easy: DON'T! |
| 19:17.30 | tobiasBora | greycat: so do you have a method to say for example "let's put firefox and emacs on the SSD, and libreoffice on the hard drive"? |
| 19:18.09 | greycat | tobiasBora: No. I wouldn't do that. That would be insane. |
| 19:18.31 | jhutchins | !fhs |
| 19:18.31 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 19:18.39 | greycat | I mean, well, unless you're not using Debian packages for those things. |
| 19:18.50 | greycat | If you're using third-party distributions in /opt then you can do it. |
| 19:19.13 | jhutchins | tobiasBora: So why not just upgrade the ssd? |
| 19:19.57 | OS-3859 | !gamma |
| 19:19.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, gamma is the third letter of the greek alphabet or a high energy/low wavelength (since they're the same thing, ask me about Planck's law) photon |
| 19:20.07 | tobiasBora | jhutchins: well SSD are expensive |
| 19:20.30 | tobiasBora | and I'm not sure if I can choose any SSD since it needs to fit in my laptop |
| 19:20.40 | OS-3859 | !bob2 |
| 19:20.40 | dpkg | somebody said bob2 was a donkey abuser!, or not your mother, or http://www.lgu.org/photohim02/pages/bob2.htm, or "an old man with no hair", according to himself, or my dog's name, or a fairly successful track and field athlete (http://www.birchfieldharriers.org/roadtosydney/profiles/rweir.htm), or a sneaky troll, or http://gamp.mine.nu/apt-x, or a how now brown cow, or a friendly helpful man unlike sussudio, or no fun, or a lemon meringue pie, or the ... |
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| 19:20.48 | somiaj | OS-3859: stop spamming the bot. /msg the bot |
| 19:20.50 | tobiasBora | and if I want to change something my first goal would be my battery |
| 19:21.12 | jhutchins | tobiasBora: 128 GB $54.95 on pricewatch. Id you click through it's actually $34.95. |
| 19:21.53 | tobiasBora | jhutchins: the size is universal? |
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| 19:22.07 | greycat | There are different interfaces, though. |
| 19:22.14 | greycat | !ssd |
| 19:22.15 | dpkg | Solid-State Drives are basically nonvolatile RAM chips used for long term storage. There are at least 3 types: SATA (no problem), NVMe (no problem since Linux 3.3), and eMMC (not yet supported). See also <ssd limit> |
| 19:22.24 | somiaj | not really, some laptops use just a chip, as opposed to a standard 3.5 form factor. |
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| 19:22.43 | somiaj | my laptop I got a custom chip I had to plugin |
| 19:22.50 | jhutchins | Some also use a card, but all of the formats should track a similar price. |
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| 19:23.11 | somiaj | (that is if the laptops ssd is different thant he spinning drive, you could choose to replace the whole spinning drive, but then that could get expensve for 1TB |
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| 19:24.00 | tobiasBora | somiaj: well I already have a 1TB hardrive |
| 19:24.31 | somiaj | yea, I'm just saying that your ssd is most likely a small chip and not a full drive formfactor |
| 19:24.47 | jhutchins | looks like 1TB is at $260. |
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| 19:25.27 | OS-38594 | man i thought this was #offsec |
| 19:25.28 | OS-38594 | sorry |
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| 19:28.45 | jhutchins | somiaj: Was yours an actual chip or a narrow card? |
| 19:29.25 | somiaj | jhutchins: it was a chip on some form board, but it was quite small, maybe like 4in by 2in |
| 19:29.32 | jhutchins | Looks like those are PCIe. |
| 19:29.57 | somiaj | maybe those cards have some standard, and this was back with the jessie kernel, so maybe my issues was due to the bots factoid about not all ssds being fully compadable |
| 19:30.02 | jhutchins | Same price range as the 2.5" |
| 19:30.06 | rant | the SSD in here is pcie |
| 19:30.20 | somiaj | I was able to install on it, but there was something about running the actual os that just didn't work. |
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| 19:37.13 | gordonthegopher | I'm on Sparky Linux Rolling and trying to use snapd |
| 19:37.25 | greycat | so why are you here? |
| 19:37.30 | gordonthegopher | Nice start |
| 19:37.31 | gordonthegopher | Bellend |
| 19:37.48 | greycat | !sparky |
| 19:37.48 | dpkg | SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:37.58 | gordonthegopher | Wow, what a welcoming IRC |
| 19:38.07 | greycat | We welcome Debian users. |
| 19:38.14 | gordonthegopher | All inspired by cbmuser I expect |
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| 19:53.24 | roylaprattep | How can I configure postfix to RECEIVE on port 465, not receiving... Thanks. |
| 19:53.48 | roylaprattep | not sending* haha sorry |
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| 19:57.02 | greycat | I'm afraid to ask, but ... receive what? |
| 19:57.14 | roylaprattep | Email? |
| 19:57.19 | greycat | Can't be SMTP deliveries to your domain, because those only go on port 25. There's no mechanism to specify an alternative port. |
| 19:57.28 | greycat | And submission is port 587. |
| 19:58.17 | roylaprattep | So it's impossible to receive on port 465? |
| 19:58.23 | roylaprattep | or 587... |
| 19:58.45 | greycat | Make up your mind. Are you talking about mail submission from your authenticated Windows users, or deliveries from the whole world TO your users? |
| 19:59.01 | roylaprattep | the whole world sorry |
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| 19:59.08 | greycat | Then that's port 25, period. |
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| 19:59.30 | roylaprattep | Ok. my sysadmin keep saying me "no! its possible!" |
| 19:59.35 | roylaprattep | keep saying him, no. |
| 19:59.55 | greycat | Other sites would have no way to know they should talk to you on port nnn instead of port 25. DNS only permits specifying the MX host, not a port. |
| 20:00.01 | somiaj | well couldn't you have a router forward port 25 to port whatever.... |
| 20:00.35 | somiaj | why do you want to recieve on a unstandard port, this sounds like an XY problem. |
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| 20:01.07 | roylaprattep | cause my ISP blocking port 25. |
| 20:01.29 | greycat | Then you'll have to host your incoming MTA elsewhere, or get the ISP to lift that block. |
| 20:01.59 | somiaj | roylaprattep: and this is really recieving, you did correct with sending. Are you wanting to send mail from your local machine? |
| 20:02.16 | roylaprattep | Nah, they block it only on residential services. |
| 20:02.23 | roylaprattep | business solution they dont block it. |
| 20:02.31 | greycat | So they want you to pay them more money. |
| 20:02.33 | roylaprattep | me and my friend were just arguing on it.. |
| 20:03.00 | somiaj | but you won't be able to fix the recieving problem without using a different mail server outside this network. Often your ISP will let you use their mail server, you can setup fetchmail to pull the mail from the server and postfix to relay off their server to send. |
| 20:03.09 | roylaprattep | i told him i was on business solution cause of port 25 blocked and no fixed ip address |
| 20:03.26 | roylaprattep | he told me "what, you can receive on port 465 or 587 anyway..."i told him, not sure man... |
| 20:03.34 | roylaprattep | than it dont stop arguing me. |
| 20:03.37 | roylaprattep | i know im right. |
| 20:03.51 | greycat | He is probably thinking that you're talking about "receiving" submitted outgoing emails from your users. |
| 20:03.52 | roylaprattep | my email server is setted up since 7-8 years like it is, using port 25. |
| 20:04.59 | roylaprattep | no no, i told him it was my main mail server that im using to receive every mail i need |
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| 20:05.09 | roylaprattep | keep argiung me tho haha |
| 20:05.15 | greycat | Just because you told him something doesn't mean he understood you. |
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| 20:05.23 | roylaprattep | yes he did. |
| 20:05.29 | roylaprattep | i made myself pretty clear. |
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| 20:06.03 | greycat | You've never been married, have you.... |
| 20:06.15 | roylaprattep | HAHAHA. |
| 20:07.25 | roylaprattep | i told him, CLEARLY, we can't receive mail from outter space/world on 465 or 587 port |
| 20:07.57 | Guest84913 | can someone guide me towards the creation of a script? Or function. I want a command to be run on every file in a folder. So I do like ``command-alias /the/awesome/folder`` and the command will loop trough the files |
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| 20:08.30 | greycat | Guest84913: mycmd() { local f; for f in "$1"/*; do ... "$f" ...; done; } |
| 20:09.02 | greycat | or maybe for safety, change "$1"/* to "${1:-.}/*" |
| 20:09.13 | greycat | or add an explicit error check for missing argument |
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| 20:12.19 | greycat | ... oops, screwed up the second line. Meant to say, change "$1"/* to "${1:-.}"/* (the * has to be unquoted) |
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| 20:12.59 | Aebian | ok, thanks greycat |
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| 20:14.00 | greycat | error checking is probably the way you'd want to go anyway |
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| 20:16.14 | roylaprattep | greycat: So, if we think of that, all mails are sent clear oevr the Internet. |
| 20:16.22 | roylaprattep | over* |
| 20:16.36 | greycat | That's a different issue. They can either be cleartext or TLS-encrypted, on port 25. |
| 20:16.46 | greycat | Depending on what the sending and receiving MTAs support. |
| 20:16.56 | roylaprattep | I am using postfix |
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| 20:17.19 | greycat | If the sender is using tin cans and a string, then they will probably send to you in cleartext, no matter how fancy your end is. |
| 20:17.30 | roylaprattep | Yeah. |
| 20:17.33 | greycat | TLS is optional and requires both sides to opt in. |
| 20:17.37 | roylaprattep | Thanks man. |
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| 20:20.36 | greycat | I find it helpful to simply assume that all email transmissions are in cleartext, and anyone who cares to has read your email already. |
| 20:21.00 | somiaj | roylaprattep: http://blog.mailgun.com/25-465-587-what-port-should-i-use/ -- unsure if that helps any, either ways seems those other two ports have had attempts to be used, but in the long run, to much to change. I would just assume port 25. |
| 20:21.11 | greycat | If you've got something private to say to someone, either encrypt it yourself before sending it, or use a secure channel (which email is most definitely not). |
| 20:22.50 | misternumberone | hi, on multiple systems running multiple versions of debian, one of which is the latest debian 9.4 stretch DebianLive CD image,installing the package grub2-common and then running the command grub-mkrescue in any configuration that includes the option "--compress" prints "Segmentation fault" and exits |
| 20:23.35 | misternumberone | for example, sudo grub-mkrescue --modules="lvm cryptodisk scsi ahci disk luks" --compress xz -o floppy.img ./img, or alternatively simply grub-mkrescue --compress |
| 20:24.31 | misternumberone | all calls I have tested that do not include "--compress" appear to work as expected |
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| 21:06.51 | gordonthegopher | Back now I've installed Debian Testing and Mate in a VM |
| 21:07.14 | gordonthegopher | If I install a snap it isn't added to any application menu (Brisk Menu or Mate Advanced Menu) |
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| 21:18.37 | jhutchins | !mate |
| 21:18.37 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 21:23.05 | jhutchins | gormenghast: Have you restarted mate? It might need to re-read the menu files. |
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| 21:23.53 | AliceKelly | good morning |
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| 21:40.02 | AliceKelly | any idea how to get ntp to sync to the internet |
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| 21:44.20 | somiaj | AliceKelly: it should be doing that automatically, also systemd in stretch has its own time sync tool that could be running too |
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| 21:45.50 | AliceKelly | i used dpkg, she explained it :) |
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| 21:50.05 | jim | hi. I'm trying to mess around with stretch's apache2.4 config, and what I'm told from #httpd, is I don't have a vhost defined... where is the suggested place for that to go? |
| 21:50.57 | somiaj | you can put it anywhere you want (almost), though I think the standard is to make a single file in /etc/apache2/sites-avaiable for each virtual host, and then link them to sites-enabled |
| 21:51.36 | jim | -if- this is an xy, the y is "try to learn how to config apache2" |
| 21:52.19 | jim | ohh ok |
| 21:52.29 | somiaj | just like with the many foo.d config directories, a lot of where you put stuff is orginizational |
| 21:52.44 | bites | a2ensite <name> is a quick way to create the link. |
| 21:52.48 | somiaj | sometimes order that it is read by the app matters, hence they do things like 001-conf1, 002-conf2, etc |
| 21:53.15 | somiaj | and debian has a setup with sites-avaiable and sites-enabled to allow you to quickly add/remove virtual host config files to your server. |
| 21:55.18 | jim | what's the sites-available/000-default.conf for? |
| 21:55.54 | bites | it's just the default page that comes with the package. edit as needed. |
| 21:56.18 | jim | ok... sec. |
| 21:58.41 | somiaj | jim: often times it is the fall back configuration for any request to the ip whose name doesn't match another vhost |
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| 21:58.58 | jim | bites, so what I hear you saying, is that when you install the webserver, it starts a default/sample? |
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| 21:59.05 | jim | do I have that right? |
| 21:59.11 | bites | ya |
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| 21:59.35 | jim | ok, something's interfering with that |
| 21:59.42 | jim | let me find out what |
| 22:00.15 | bites | there should already be a symlink in sites-enabled |
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| 22:03.16 | razer122 | It is confusing that Debian desktop environment is seperate from "GNOME" in Task Selector and during install. |
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| 22:04.10 | bites | jim: do you have problems with the service not starting or with the test page not showing up? |
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| 22:05.01 | jim | right now with the service not coming up, I tried a new port, turned out I needed more config than that... so, I'm trying to get the original working |
| 22:05.31 | drakonis | razer122, it defaults to installing the gnome task |
| 22:05.37 | bites | check the journal for errors. journalctl -u apache2.service |
| 22:06.11 | somiaj | razer122: agreed, the desktop task requires you intall a desktop. If you don't select any, gnome will get defaulted. |
| 22:06.11 | razer122 | dreamon__: I know it defaults to that. I guess they do the exact same thing. But having it twice is still confusing. |
| 22:06.28 | drakonis | well, twice? |
| 22:06.34 | razer122 | Oh, does debian desktop environment install xorg then? |
| 22:06.35 | jim | I already know what the problem with the site not coming up, fixing that |
| 22:06.40 | drakonis | task-desktop doesn't install gnome by default |
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| 22:06.45 | drakonis | its not part of the package |
| 22:06.54 | drakonis | it defaults to installing the gnome task that pulls in gnome |
| 22:06.59 | drakonis | it does install xorg yes |
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| 22:07.02 | bites | it does, it has it in its reccomends. |
| 22:07.21 | drakonis | its in the recommends and gnome is at the top of the recommend stack |
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| 22:09.21 | drakonis | there's a or operator there lol |
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| 22:10.05 | uberwag | i run a debian from a virtualbox that connects to another vm with internal network and dhcp on the other end - now i am not getting an ip from the dhcp, how can i troubleshoot this? |
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| 22:10.21 | bites | all the particular desktop tasks depend on task-desktop. it probably should be removed as a selection in the installer. |
| 22:11.03 | drakonis | there's desktop-base there |
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| 22:11.17 | somiaj | yea, it was a little confusing, the first time it installed all of gnome and having to unclick it was annoying, but now I know. |
| 22:11.19 | drakonis | suggests gnome | kde-standard | xfce4 | wmaker |
| 22:11.33 | drakonis | for some reason it depends on librsvg2 |
| 22:11.42 | drakonis | a svg renderer because ??? |
| 22:11.47 | somiaj | One could file a wishlist bug or better yet make a patch if they can think of a nicer way to present this option. |
| 22:11.52 | drakonis | lol |
| 22:11.56 | razer122 | somiaj: You mean clicking debian desktop environment and gnome together? |
| 22:11.56 | drakonis | this is why it pulls in gnome |
| 22:12.09 | drakonis | it installs librsvg2 |
| 22:12.12 | drakonis | which depends on gnome |
| 22:12.28 | drakonis | oh wait |
| 22:12.31 | somiaj | razer122: no, I mean when I first saw that, I saw that no de was actually selected so assumed that was enough to not install one. Didn't realize I had to unselect the top thing too. |
| 22:12.32 | razer122 | Selecting both does not install anything extra for gnome does it? |
| 22:12.33 | drakonis | those are the things that depend on it |
| 22:12.40 | drakonis | it doesn't install gnome though |
| 22:12.44 | drakonis | just whatever you choose |
| 22:12.57 | somiaj | razer122: no, just the gnome de task gets installed if no additional de task is selected, besides the main one. |
| 22:13.03 | razer122 | somiaj: Yeah, have to unselect it. Then you can install xorg manually and then a desktop environment seperately if you want. |
| 22:13.09 | drakonis | the desktop task by default falls into gnome, otherwise it will pick whatever you toggle |
| 22:13.25 | razer122 | And selecting both does nothing extra |
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| 22:14.21 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 22:14.29 | galex-713 | Iâd like to test inetutils-talk{d,} |
| 22:14.36 | galex-713 | but I keep getting the following error: |
| 22:15.03 | galex-713 | [Service connection established.] |
| 22:15.05 | galex-713 | Error on write to talk daemon: Invalid argument |
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| 22:17.47 | lone-wolf | Why I cannot run wireshark with non-root user? https://imgur.com/a/SLDcyHO |
| 22:17.58 | lone-wolf | My user be in wireshark group. |
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| 22:18.38 | uberwag | guys, what processes can block the dhcp client from getting ip? my vbox debian is not getting ip from dhcp |
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| 22:20.57 | davesp | A DHCP client can be blocked from getting an IP address if its MAC address is not recognized. |
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| 22:28.28 | somiaj | it could also be on a virtual network and not the network that has the dhcp server, so it cannot send/recive the actual response |
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| 23:33.50 | lone-wolf | Is possible run a software in monitor secundary after run a command in terminal: |
| 23:33.52 | lone-wolf | ? |
| 23:34.22 | lone-wolf | For example, I run leafpad in terminal, i want that the leafpad open in monitor secundary. |
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| 23:36.26 | somiaj | lone-wolf: DISPLAY=:0.1 I think works |
| 23:36.37 | somiaj | though unsure if that is old Xinerma syntax, or if RandR accepts it |
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| 23:39.45 | lone-wolf | somiaj: In here show leafpad: Cannot open display: |
| 23:40.19 | somiaj | lone-wolf: what does echo $DISPLAY return |
| 23:40.58 | lone-wolf | somiaj: :0.0 |
| 23:41.55 | somiaj | hmm, I think what I gave you was for old Xinerma, or you had to have different thigns running on each screen. |
| 23:42.02 | somiaj | what window manager are you using? |
| 23:43.08 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106793/how-can-i-open-a-window-on-a-different-monitor has various ideas, such as using -geometry and making the offset such that it puts it on the other window. |
| 23:43.53 | lone-wolf | somiaj: The two, seen https://imgur.com/a/6HUl2TS |
| 23:44.41 | somiaj | do you know what window manager that is? Xfce? |
| 23:44.50 | lone-wolf | lxde |
| 23:48.16 | somiaj | I see a program called devilspie that might work, but don't know lxde well enough. |
| 23:48.45 | lone-wolf | somiaj: Ok, well look, thank you. |
| 23:48.52 | somiaj | lone-wolf: what program do you want to do this for? |
| 23:49.05 | lone-wolf | somiaj wireshark |
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| 23:49.19 | somiaj | does wireshark support the -geometry flag? |
| 23:50.03 | somiaj | don't see it in the manpage, but it still might support it, wireshark --geometry +100-100 or something like that configures where windows are placed |
| 23:50.13 | lone-wolf | somiaj: I run wireshark -geometry and it open. |
| 23:50.29 | somiaj | you can also configure lxde (well openbox) to place windows in paticuarl places, but not sure on the details on this. |
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| 23:52.45 | lone-wolf | somiaj: I guess that wireshark dont support -geometry. |
| 23:53.32 | somiaj | then you'll have to look into how to configure lxde (I think its wm is openbox) to open apps on a paticualr window |
| 23:54.18 | lone-wolf | somiaj: Ok, thank you. |
| 23:54.37 | somiaj | yea looks like openbox has some xml configuration you can use, and ocnfigure window placement. You may want to ask in a more lxde or openbox specific channel for the details though |
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| 23:55.42 | mikeymop | hey, I am trying to find the source for my disk usage |
| 23:55.49 | mikeymop | however df is very vague |
| 23:55.57 | somiaj | mikeymop: you can use du to start poking around. |
| 23:56.11 | somiaj | mikeymop: du -h /var -- /var can sometimes fill up with logs |
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