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| 00:02.04 | mikeymop | somiaj: okay thats cool, but it's waaay too recursive |
| 00:02.21 | mikeymop | Even if I | egrep ^.*G |
| 00:02.48 | mikeymop | well the issue is it wont do directories |
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| 00:03.04 | mikeymop | I want to du -h /var/lib/docker/volumes and just show the size of folders there |
| 00:03.07 | mikeymop | no each file inside |
| 00:03.12 | somiaj | mikeymop: it does, if you look at the output, but you need to point it at places you think are the culprits. |
| 00:03.38 | mikeymop | well for example is I do du -h /var its going to do everything inside of /var similar to find |
| 00:03.40 | somiaj | are the volumes directories or just docker files. |
| 00:03.44 | mikeymop | or at least thats what I'm seeing |
| 00:03.48 | mikeymop | they're directories |
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| 00:03.59 | somiaj | correct, if you do du -h /var, it will search all of /var and figure out the total amount of space /var is using. |
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| 00:04.19 | somiaj | if you want to be mroe specific, point it at what you want to find the size of. Finding what is using space requires looking around |
| 00:04.25 | mikeymop | oh thats what hte last line is |
| 00:04.28 | mikeymop | 1.6G . |
| 00:04.31 | mikeymop | the . is actually . |
| 00:05.07 | somiaj | yup, it tells the size of each directory, and then gives a total |
| 00:05.22 | mikeymop | thats SO useful thanks! |
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| 00:06.42 | davesp | (Repeated comment from another thread:) When /var/log/syslog rotates, syslog continues writing to /var/log/syslog.1 instead of /var/log/syslog (same goes for "messages"). Have there been any thoughts on that |
| 00:07.53 | davesp | ? |
| 00:08.32 | somiaj | davesp: you shouldn't cross post, and no not sure why, unless it is due to the fact that the writing is happening during the rotation, once the writting is done, it should not continue. But if this is a bug, check the debian BTS and upstream BTS |
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| 00:25.34 | Simonious_ | I'm using fim in a script, but it seems to be blocking, is there a way to give it a time to run before bailing? something like -time $seconds ? |
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| 00:35.04 | afidegnum | hello, i m having issue, i trying to mount a raid disk to /home but how do i find out if they are mounted as expected? |
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| 00:46.42 | RoyK | afidegnum: what's in fstab? |
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| 00:47.33 | afidegnum | command not found, i think i need to install it |
| 00:47.45 | afidegnum | oh no |
| 00:47.52 | afidegnum | how do i get it? |
| 00:48.03 | somiaj | afidegnum: cat /etc/fstab |
| 00:48.05 | afidegnum | package 404 |
| 00:48.10 | afidegnum | ah ok, |
| 00:48.11 | somiaj | afidegnum: they were pointing you at a file on your system. |
| 00:49.00 | somiaj | so /etc/fstab should contain the stuff that gets mounted at boot (or write a system .mount unit if you want to be systemd fancy). To check if the mounts happen run the command 'mount' it will list all mounts, also 'df -h' can help too |
| 00:49.16 | afidegnum | https://ghostbin.com/paste/u8wwy |
| 00:49.58 | RoyK | nothing about home there |
| 00:50.05 | somiaj | you seem to be repeating yourself, you don't need to do that. |
| 00:50.32 | afidegnum | sorry |
| 00:51.00 | RoyK | I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress,I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat⦠|
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| 00:51.36 | afidegnum | this is mount and fstab https://ghostbin.com/paste/g6pca |
| 00:51.43 | afidegnum | it seems /home is not mounted |
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| 00:52.09 | afidegnum | i need to mount /home to my 2TB hdd |
| 00:52.45 | somiaj | afidegnum: if you know what the device is, you can add it to /etc/fstab similar to what is there for /boot and / |
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| 00:53.08 | RoyK | afidegnum: try adding /home to the fstab |
| 00:53.34 | afidegnum | ok, |
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| 00:57.30 | afidegnum | RoyK: this is my raid structure, https://ghostbin.com/paste/g6pca |
| 01:00.53 | RoyK | afidegnum: no home in there |
| 01:01.11 | afidegnum | yes |
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| 01:01.53 | RoyK | afidegnum: not as far as I can see |
| 01:02.23 | RoyK | which md dev is home on? |
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| 01:06.42 | afidegnum | RoyK: i dont' undersand |
| 01:07.02 | afidegnum | i wanted to map home to sdc and sdd raid |
| 01:07.15 | RoyK | eh? |
| 01:07.34 | RoyK | afidegnum: pastebin /proc/mdstat, please |
| 01:09.18 | afidegnum | RoyK: https://ghostbin.com/paste/vuzeh |
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| 01:10.26 | RoyK | afidegnum: ok, so md3 is your home? |
| 01:10.33 | RoyK | then add it to fstab |
| 01:11.56 | paradigm | Hi! `apt remove apt` yells at me for understandable reason. I'm trying to understand how apt knows that apt is something to be protected. The best I've been able to find is that the package is marked "important", but so is "whiptail" and I was able to `apt remove whiptail` just fine. I think I'm missing something about how this subsystem works. |
| 01:14.13 | RoyK | paradigm: erm - why would you want to remove apt? |
| 01:15.37 | paradigm | RoyK: I don't. My goal here is to understand how this part of Debian works, not to affect an actual change in my system. |
| 01:16.39 | paradigm | How does apt know to bring up that warning when someone tries to remove apt? |
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| 01:22.24 | awal1 | paradigm, when you ask apt to do something it creates a process/job and executes it right? |
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| 01:23.15 | paradigm | awal1: It's not clear to me if it forks off another process or if its the initial one that does it, but I'm guessing that's not what you're asking. I'm not sure what you're asking. |
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| 01:23.50 | awal1 | so how would you ask it to create a job/process A and at same time ask it to create a job B for remove job A? |
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| 01:24.09 | afidegnum | RoyK: /dev/md3 /home ext4 defaults 0 0 or /dev/md/3 /home ext4 defaults 0 0 whats the correct one ? |
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| 01:25.24 | somiaj | paradigm: It most likely isn't apt, but dpkg doing this. Each package has a collection of scripts, post/pre install/remove, in this case it is probably the prerm (pre-remove) script causing the warning. |
| 01:25.55 | paradigm | awal1: Ah, I see what you're getting at, I think. Something should get an error removing itself. Technically Linux supports such operations just fine; a binary can unlink() itself no problem. Also, that warning occurs with things other than _just_ apt, e.g. `apt remove init` generates it. So I don't think that's applicable here. |
| 01:26.00 | awal1 | I mean apt is itself A and A can't create B for remove itself (A). that is what I meant somiaj |
| 01:26.08 | awal1 | but I may be wrong |
| 01:26.48 | somiaj | well apt can remove itself, once a program is memeory that doens't matter, but apt really dosen't install/remove anything, apt tells dpkg to do the work, and packages contain a lot of scripts that get run before/after the install/remove process that do certain checks |
| 01:27.04 | paradigm | awal1: install busybox-static through apt, copy the resulting binary somewhere temporary (e.g. /tmp), then run `./busybox rm ./busybox` and you'll see it delete itself |
| 01:27.25 | awal1 | ok, guys, got it |
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| 01:27.36 | somiaj | paradigm: nope I'm incorrect, I just looked at the prerm script for apt, and it isn't there. |
| 01:27.42 | paradigm | hmm |
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| 01:31.05 | paradigm | grepping through dpkg's source for "continue type in the phrase" isn't bringing anything up |
| 01:31.36 | somiaj | testing it out, this is part of apt, not depkg, I was missing where the trigger was |
| 01:32.26 | paradigm | ahh, yeah, I see the string in apt's source |
| 01:32.46 | paradigm | although there's some locale abstraction I'm having difficulty following |
| 01:32.56 | somiaj | the one I was thikning aobut is removing a running kernel, dpkg has triggers for that. |
| 01:33.19 | paradigm | Given how long Debian's been around, it'd make sense for there to be multiple disparate subsystems for this |
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| 01:46.26 | paradigm | Ahh, I think I figured it out. Packages can be marked "essential" (e.g. dpkg-query -Wf '${Package} ${Essential}\n' | grep ' yes'). If you look up the reverse dependencies for apt, you'll eventually hit an essential package (tar). The warning is for essential packages or their dependencies. |
| 01:46.36 | paradigm | thanks for the help :) |
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| 01:49.01 | somiaj | paradigm: apt show tar shows that, but I think you are slightly mistaken there. Otherwise anything that depends on tar would be called essential |
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| 01:49.11 | paradigm | hmm |
| 01:49.27 | paradigm | I might have gotten the depends/rdepends direction backwards in my head |
| 01:50.45 | somiaj | I think you are getting closer, for you do see things tagged as essential. Maybe apt has a flag for itself in the code along with looking for the essential flag |
| 01:51.13 | paradigm | that wouldn't hit `apt remove init` which also generates the message |
| 01:51.36 | somiaj | actuall, I think the essential you found is not the same thing as you are seeing. |
| 01:51.54 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html -- 7.7 "Additionally, some packages are marked as Essential since they are absolutely necessary for the proper functioning of the system. The package management tools will refuse to remove these.", and this isn't a refusal |
| 01:52.19 | somiaj | to me refuse is not the same thing as give you the option. |
| 01:52.25 | paradigm | I don't think I've seen anything outright refuse |
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| 01:53.37 | somiaj | yea, I just tried that in a chroot, it is the same warning |
| 01:54.58 | somiaj | maybe apt has an interal list of essential packages on top of those flagged as Essential. |
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| 01:56.36 | paradigm | poking around the source I didn't see anything that looked like an internal list |
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| 01:57.01 | paradigm | also given the system for marking essential, important, etc it seems like the style would be against hardcoding such a thing |
| 01:57.15 | somiaj | essential is a different setting than important |
| 01:57.29 | paradigm | right |
| 01:57.50 | paradigm | essential is a boolean, important is one of a number of priority settings along with required |
| 01:58.36 | paradigm | what I had intended to express is that they're both properties of a package. Given there's support there for such things, it seems like a make-a-great-big-warning would be a package property rather than something hardcoded |
| 01:58.58 | somiaj | anyways, dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Essential}' apt, returns no. So at least according to dpkg this is not an essential package. |
| 01:59.28 | somiaj | but according to apt it is. All the other packages that trigger that warrning in my tests are correctly flagged as 'Essential', so I think apt is including itself in that list |
| 01:59.55 | paradigm | init isn't tagged essential either, and it generates the same warning |
| 02:00.03 | paradigm | it'd also be in that internal list |
| 02:00.21 | paradigm | grepping for apt in apt's source generates too much noise, but poking around for init is doable and I didn't see anything |
| 02:00.22 | somiaj | there is no package named init I'm seeing? What package are you refering to? |
| 02:00.47 | paradigm | `apt remove init` |
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| 02:00.51 | paradigm | generates the warning on jessie and stretch |
| 02:01.01 | somiaj | ahh init is ametapackage, just wasn't in my chroot |
| 02:01.10 | paradigm | huh |
| 02:01.12 | paradigm | it's in mine |
| 02:01.27 | paradigm | debootstrap --min grabbed it |
| 02:01.48 | paradigm | assuming you didn't type "Yes, do as I say!" at the prompt, how'd you avoid having it? |
| 02:01.53 | somiaj | it isn't init, it is init-system-helpers which is flagged as essential causing that. |
| 02:02.09 | somiaj | paradigm: I'm using pbuilder to create my chroots |
| 02:02.13 | paradigm | hmm |
| 02:02.15 | somiaj | paradigm: maybe it does something different. |
| 02:02.23 | somiaj | I have init-system-helpers but I don't have 'init' |
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| 02:02.53 | somiaj | I find the pbuilder chroots to be very very minimial, they don't even have vi or nano or man |
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| 02:03.18 | paradigm | I mioght have to check it out |
| 02:03.27 | paradigm | that sounds right up my alley |
| 02:03.28 | somiaj | paradigm: anyways, init is trying to remove init-system-helper which is the essential package that is causing the warning to come |
| 02:03.40 | somiaj | pbuilder is a nice tool, I use it to build debian packages in a clean chroot |
| 02:03.52 | somiaj | so far all my tests the only non essential package that triggers that warning is apt |
| 02:03.58 | paradigm | It's possible I'm starting to miss obvious things due to fatigue. How'd you determine that `apt remove init` tries to remove init-system-helper? |
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| 02:05.11 | somiaj | by looking at the depends of the init metapackage |
| 02:05.17 | somiaj | I guess I could install it |
| 02:05.53 | paradigm | I could have this backwards, but I thought that would mean init depends on init-system-helper, not the other way around. Removing init-system-helper would break init, but removing init should leave init-system-helper untouched. |
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| 02:08.12 | somiaj | hmm, yea I guess you are right there....init is just a metapackage, so I guess it is strange it is flagged |
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| 02:08.50 | paradigm | dpkg-query doesn't show it as essential |
| 02:09.17 | somiaj | apt show init-system-helpers shows Essential: Yes |
| 02:09.27 | somiaj | but not for init, so yea it is strange init got flagged |
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| 02:09.55 | somiaj | so it does sound like there is some list indpenednt of that Essential flag |
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| 02:19.33 | paradigm | everything else I see is either essential or a dependency |
| 02:19.44 | paradigm | maybe you're right and there's some hardcoding for these exceptions |
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| 02:28.50 | paradigm | I'm going to throw in the towel for the night. Thanks again! Maybe tomorrow I'll find "apt" hardcoded in "apt" to be treated as essential. |
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| 02:35.31 | afidegnum | any insight ? |
| 02:35.49 | afidegnum | i needed home to have the full size of the raid HDD |
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| 03:47.17 | drinks2go | hello, I am just running openbox/lightdm/Xorg/debian on my laptop and I am wondering if it is wise to set the root shell to /sbin/nologin and turn off password auth? |
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| 03:49.31 | drinks2go | turn off root password auth* |
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| 04:10.52 | nkuttler | drinks2go: not a good idea. root account might still be useful for emergencies. |
| 04:11.04 | nkuttler | drinks2go: disabling remote root access is good enough for me |
| 04:11.35 | drinks2go | nkuttler remote ie. ssh? |
| 04:11.49 | nkuttler | drinks2go: usually, yes |
| 04:12.26 | drinks2go | nkuttler ok thank you, that's kind of what I was thinking |
| 04:15.17 | somiaj | drinks2go: does your main user have sudo privlages? |
| 04:16.05 | somiaj | also root access should be disabled via ssh by default (Well password), one would have to have root access to set up a key auth, which is allowed but a key needs to be created first. |
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| 04:17.06 | nbm | i'm new to this... how do I configure stterm on debian? |
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| 04:17.19 | drinks2go | somiaj: yeah I have two users in sudo just to be safe |
| 04:17.33 | somiaj | drinks2go: then over all disabling root password wont' do much |
| 04:17.55 | somiaj | drinks2go: it will prevent other non sudo users from try to brute force root, but they could just attempt to crack a sudo user and gain access that way. |
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| 04:18.19 | somiaj | debian's install if you don't set a root password at the start, will disable the login anyways, and only allow you access root via sudo, such as 'sudo -i' |
| 04:22.23 | drinks2go | somiaj: but since it is a laptop I probably don't need to accept any ssh connections I'm thinking? And as far as I know I am the only one using it :P :P |
| 04:22.36 | jim | nbm, normally when you install anything from a debian package, it does two things: first, it unpacks it, so that the files go to where they're going to stay while the package is installed... and second, it configures the package, with a set of default configuration parameters that are felt to be reasonable.... |
| 04:22.38 | drinks2go | incoming ssh* |
| 04:22.42 | somiaj | then just disable the sshd service or remove openssh-server |
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| 04:23.11 | drinks2go | can still ssh foo@bar.baz? |
| 04:23.19 | nbm | jim: yes I understand that part |
| 04:23.24 | somiaj | drinks2go: so you could disable root that way, you probably won't gain much, if someone gains physical access they can reset the machine anyways, encryption can help with this. |
| 04:23.31 | somiaj | drinks2go: that is the openssh-client |
| 04:23.32 | jim | nbm, how do you want to configure stterm? |
| 04:23.35 | nbm | but how do I tell the package manager to grab a config and add it to stterm? |
| 04:23.41 | nbm | dunno |
| 04:23.43 | drinks2go | somiaj: d'oh |
| 04:23.48 | nbm | i have no idea |
| 04:24.13 | jim | ok... then maybe the package already has reasonable defaults? |
| 04:24.22 | nbm | it seems debian has some, yes |
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| 04:25.00 | jim | you're welcome to change the configuration (if you can find the config file or program) |
| 04:25.19 | drinks2go | somiaj: mostly my concern is about travelling and using alot of public wifi |
| 04:25.30 | jim | nbm, what does stterm do that's useful to you? |
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| 04:25.43 | nbm | sorry i'm very confused |
| 04:25.53 | jim | ok |
| 04:26.05 | jim | what has you confused right now? |
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| 04:26.52 | somiaj | drinks2go: disabling the ssh server would probably be a big step, as for other issues, well they can arrise, it depends on how secure you want to be (securty is a risk anaylisis at some level). |
| 04:26.53 | nbm | well so far I know how to edit xresources/xdefault for xterm/urxvt, and I also know that stterm is a terminal with the idea that you compile it yourself with the config |
| 04:27.14 | nbm | I am confused on how to edit the config for such binary program on debian, when it's already compilled by default |
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| 04:27.27 | jim | , info stterm |
| 04:27.28 | somiaj | drinks2go: avoid what sort of sites you connect to and stuff you enter into websites when on open/untrusted networks. ssl + cert auth is fairly relaiable, but man in the middle attacks can still cause problems. |
| 04:27.28 | judd | Package stterm (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: suckless tools simple terminal for windowed system. Version: 0.6-1; Size: 37.9k; Installed: 119k; Homepage: http://st.suckless.org; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/stterm |
| 04:28.12 | somiaj | jim: if you can't find any references in /usr/share/doc/packagename provided some default configs, and one isn't provided, you may want to check out what sort of docs/wiki upstream has. |
| 04:28.30 | somiaj | the manpage may also give you pointers. |
| 04:29.02 | drinks2go | somiaj: is it possible to do some sensitive stuff with VPN? or still inadvisable? turns out openssh-server is not installed ;) |
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| 04:29.17 | jim | I guess I'd need to install it for that... which I'll probably do |
| 04:30.32 | somiaj | drinks2go: vpn's can help, and http + ssl has fixed some issue it had with man in the middle. There is still risk, and a lot of security is just that risk anaylsis, and how much you want to lock down your system to midagate risk. |
| 04:30.37 | plasmoduck | anyone know much about libreboot? I'm wondering if it's safe to try and install it now whilst I have a working system setup or is there a risk of something going wrong and screwing up my installation? |
| 04:30.54 | somiaj | jim: you could just download the .deb, and the dpkg -x it in to /tmp or somehting like that if you just want to look at the files and not run it |
| 04:31.18 | drinks2go | somiaj: my worry is its a very very big city, lots of people so I figure the likelihood of "bad actors" goes up. |
| 04:31.18 | jim | nbm, ok... I'm not the greatest in the world with x resources... did you install stterm from the debian package (which you did if you did apt-get install xtterm) |
| 04:31.23 | jim | ? |
| 04:31.31 | nbm | yes |
| 04:31.37 | nbm | via apt install |
| 04:31.40 | jim | ok |
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| 04:32.31 | jim | which version of debian do you have? (you can find out by looking at: cat /etc/debian_version) |
| 04:32.39 | nbm | 9.4 stable |
| 04:32.53 | nbm | stretch |
| 04:33.00 | somiaj | jim: nbm: Opps my comments were meant for nbm on places to look for documentation |
| 04:33.00 | jim | oh ok... so the version of stterm you have is... |
| 04:33.17 | jim | no worries |
| 04:33.22 | nbm | 0.4.1 |
| 04:33.25 | somiaj | nbm: i.e. first check /usr/share/doc/stterm |
| 04:33.32 | jim | , v stterm |
| 04:33.33 | judd | Package: stterm on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.0~20120124+hg226-2; jessie: 0.5+20140606+gitc2fd275-1; jessie-backports: 0.6-1~bpo8+1; buster: 0.6-1; sid: 0.6-1; stretch: 0.6-1 |
| 04:33.53 | somiaj | nbm: why do you have a non-debian version? |
| 04:34.01 | nbm | who knows |
| 04:34.08 | somiaj | nbm: how did you install this package? |
| 04:34.12 | nbm | just did stterm -h and that comes up lol |
| 04:34.23 | jim | it's not in stretch? |
| 04:34.34 | nbm | it seems it is... because im on stretch |
| 04:34.41 | somiaj | stretch is 0.6-1, but that isn't 0.4.1 |
| 04:34.42 | jim | oh yes it is |
| 04:34.45 | nbm | maybe its not correctly updated by the packager |
| 04:34.53 | somiaj | nbm: how did you install stterm? |
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| 04:35.02 | nbm | apt install stterm |
| 04:35.19 | somiaj | nbm: can you share the output of 'apt policy' and 'apt policy stterm' at paste.debian.net |
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| 04:35.46 | jim | hmm... nbm, do you have the executable nc installed? |
| 04:35.48 | nbm | apt policy stterm brings version table: 0.6-1 |
| 04:35.50 | nbm | which is correctly |
| 04:36.01 | nbm | correct* |
| 04:36.09 | somiaj | nbm: what is the output of 'witch stterm' |
| 04:36.25 | somiaj | nbm: also when we ask for output, we want full output, it can really help. |
| 04:36.35 | jim | happy halloween! |
| 04:36.37 | nbm | /usr/bin/stterm |
| 04:36.58 | nbm | can I just give you the output in private message? |
| 04:37.02 | nbm | so i don't flood here |
| 04:37.20 | jim | nbm, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999" |
| 04:37.22 | somiaj | nbm: nevermind, I'll assume it is okay and you just missread something. what is the output of 'stterm -v' |
| 04:37.58 | nbm | stterm -v shows stterm 0.4.1 |
| 04:38.15 | nbm | what jim lol |
| 04:38.54 | somiaj | anyways, that version seems odd, but in reading the stterm manpage, I don't think it can be configured without building it yourself. |
| 04:38.55 | jim | nbm, try this: echo "I'm going to pastebin this!" | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 04:39.15 | jim | what do you get back? |
| 04:39.20 | somiaj | the man page says "stterm can be customized by creating a custom config.h and (re)compiling the source code. This keeps it fast, secure and simple." |
| 04:39.51 | somiaj | so my guess is if you don't like the defaults debian uses with stterm, you'll need to build it yourself |
| 04:39.59 | nbm | oh ok |
| 04:40.04 | nbm | thanks |
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| 04:41.34 | jim | nbm, do you write shell programs? |
| 04:41.40 | nbm | no hahaha |
| 04:41.48 | jim | ok |
| 04:42.22 | jim | then I'll break it down: try this: echo "hi all" |
| 04:42.54 | nbm | oh yes i've did similar stuff some times |
| 04:43.24 | jim | ok, you see that echo simply prints its argument? |
| 04:43.39 | nbm | yea |
| 04:43.44 | jim | ok... |
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| 04:44.21 | jim | try this: echo "hi all" | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 04:44.39 | jim | the only thing is, nc might not be installed |
| 04:44.56 | nbm | oh it is |
| 04:46.11 | jim | ok... so that command, first "prints" hi all, and instead of reaching your terminal, it gets "printed" to the nc program |
| 04:46.18 | shellclear | hi everyone, I bought a new laptop with optimus GPU system and I'm trying to make PRIME works but xrandr specifies only 1 output provider |
| 04:46.29 | nbm | oh pretty nice |
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| 04:46.38 | nbm | just tested it |
| 04:46.42 | will_ | hallo all |
| 04:46.49 | jim | hi |
| 04:47.08 | will_ | I've download firefox quantum from mozilla's size and extracted the folder from the tar.bz2 archive |
| 04:47.18 | will_ | i thought it could be "installed" |
| 04:47.31 | will_ | upon inspection, its self contained, and can run firefox as is |
| 04:47.32 | jim | nbm, when you ran that command, did it show you a web address (or url)? |
| 04:47.34 | drinks2go | exit |
| 04:47.36 | nbm | yes jim |
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| 04:47.51 | will_ | Is there a way to replace the firefox esr on my system with that? |
| 04:47.52 | nbm | http://termbin.com/la1q |
| 04:47.56 | jim | did you put that address in your web browser? |
| 04:48.08 | will_ | such that if i click a alink in an application, it launches firefox quantum instead of esr? |
| 04:49.06 | nbm | using snap or a deb will_ i think |
| 04:49.48 | nbm | ive did that once with snap |
| 04:49.56 | jim | ok... here's a pretty good use for termbin: instead of asking (say) somiaj, can I message you a big long thing, you can send it to termbin |
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| 04:51.17 | jim | nbm, let's try another example... |
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| 04:52.14 | jim | look at the output of the command: ls -CF $HOME |
| 04:52.30 | will_ | nbm, whats that? |
| 04:52.53 | will_ | I dont think they had a deb file |
| 04:52.57 | will_ | and idk what snap is |
| 04:53.47 | jim | snap is a new file format for packages |
| 04:55.00 | will_ | oooh i might have heard about that. something something it runs across all distros or something? |
| 04:55.47 | jim | that sounds like what they're trying to do, I'm not sure how they're going to accomplish it |
| 04:58.00 | will_ | okay I think i found something: https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox looks like they opted to bundle in the ESR version, but I want quantum, and when i try apt install firefox it does not exist in the repo it seems |
| 04:58.07 | jim | nbm, are you still here? |
| 04:58.14 | nbm | hi yes |
| 04:58.15 | nbm | sorry |
| 04:58.35 | jim | np... want to try another pastebin? |
| 04:58.35 | nbm | was busy with the terminals |
| 04:58.48 | nbm | with the stterm info? |
| 04:59.19 | jim | I was thinking of a simpler example.... |
| 04:59.52 | jim | if you look yourself, at: ls -CF $HOME |
| 05:00.13 | jim | you should see how it looks on the screen |
| 05:00.19 | nbm | yes |
| 05:00.20 | jim | yes? |
| 05:00.49 | jim | ok, now try this: ls -CF $HOME | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 05:01.34 | nbm | ok let me do the same with the stterm |
| 05:01.50 | jim | ok |
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| 05:02.29 | nbm | http://termbin.com/jziv |
| 05:03.02 | nbm | that's the output of apt policy stterm |
| 05:03.04 | jim | I see it |
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| 05:03.40 | yasir | hi |
| 05:03.44 | yasir | anyone here |
| 05:03.45 | jim | hi |
| 05:03.48 | jim | you are |
| 05:03.52 | yasir | i m installing debian |
| 05:03.56 | jim | ok :) |
| 05:04.03 | yasir | what is the bestpartion sche,e |
| 05:04.05 | yasir | scheme |
| 05:04.29 | yasir | i have 512gb of memry |
| 05:04.33 | jim | well what's the purpose of the machine you're installing onto? |
| 05:04.37 | yasir | with 8 gig ram |
| 05:04.44 | yasir | development |
| 05:04.58 | yasir | software development |
| 05:05.19 | jim | for a development machine, I would think you'd want to maximize the size of your /home |
| 05:05.38 | yasir | any recomdation |
| 05:05.40 | somiaj | yasir: if you don't really know what you want, a single partition would be fine, having /home seperate helps if you need to reinstall, but one should of course have backups anyways. |
| 05:05.41 | yasir | how much |
| 05:06.03 | somiaj | 20-30G for / is usually enough, rest can go for /home, though one big partition works. |
| 05:06.14 | jim | how much you got? :) |
| 05:06.27 | nbm | i use single partition for common usage, never had trouble |
| 05:06.47 | jim | you can do that if you want |
| 05:07.02 | yasir | shall i do debian recomdation |
| 05:07.09 | jim | how much do you have to spare? |
| 05:07.11 | yasir | beginner |
| 05:07.33 | nbm | yeah, debian recommendation is fine i guess, it also adds swap space but you can remove it if you want |
| 05:07.46 | yasir | ok |
| 05:07.48 | yasir | thanks |
| 05:08.04 | yasir | anyone has good source list |
| 05:08.57 | nbm | a sources.list file? |
| 05:09.07 | yasir | yeah |
| 05:09.08 | jim | you'll want to be very careful with your sources.list |
| 05:09.16 | nbm | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 05:09.34 | yasir | yes |
| 05:09.36 | nbm | look up the first example for debian 9 stretch |
| 05:09.54 | jim | if you're new, you probably don't want to put anything extra in it |
| 05:10.31 | yasir | ok |
| 05:11.49 | jim | maybe you could do: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 05:12.28 | jim | which will show us your sources,iist |
| 05:12.30 | yasir | how to install network driver |
| 05:12.42 | yasir | i m unable to connect to internet |
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| 05:16.44 | will_ | is there a way to increase the height of panel? |
| 05:17.10 | will_ | I am using debian in vm on surface book (4k display) and the panels are tinyyyyyy |
| 05:17.34 | will_ | I have scaled the text by factor of 2 but the panel bar is fucking thin man |
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| 05:20.10 | jim | yasir, so is that a totally separate machine from the one you're ircing to us on? |
| 05:20.43 | somiaj | will_: this is partly related to the de/window manager being used. |
| 05:20.56 | yasir | yes |
| 05:21.15 | jim | sometimes you can grab the very top of the panel and then pull it up |
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| 05:22.16 | jim | did you say you're installing debian? from what? |
| 05:22.26 | jim | yasir ^^ |
| 05:23.14 | yasir | i installed |
| 05:23.21 | yasir | while talking to u |
| 05:23.37 | yasir | i finshed install |
| 05:23.45 | yasir | it doesnt show me wifi |
| 05:23.52 | jim | ok, and did you boot into the install? |
| 05:24.09 | yasir | finshed |
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| 05:24.39 | jim | and you installed grub (as one of the last steps)? |
| 05:25.17 | yasir | yes |
| 05:25.35 | somiaj | yasir: can you run lspci and share with us the network card you have? Also do you have a wired connection that works and only need to get wifi working? |
| 05:25.52 | jim | ok, good... did it reboot? |
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| 05:26.22 | jim | is this a laptop? |
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| 05:27.08 | yasir | intel corporation wireless 7265 |
| 05:27.24 | yasir | yes @jim its laptop |
| 05:27.30 | jim | ok |
| 05:27.51 | jim | are you still in the installer? |
| 05:27.56 | yasir | no |
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| 05:28.02 | yasir | i rebbot |
| 05:28.02 | will_ | somiaj, do you know one which has an option for scaling everything thats rendered, and not just text? |
| 05:28.20 | jim | ok, good... and it booted your installation? |
| 05:28.25 | yasir | yes |
| 05:28.25 | somiaj | will_: I most likely do not, but this will depend on the DE you are using, and something we may want to look up. |
| 05:28.38 | somiaj | will_: are you using the default gnome or some other de |
| 05:28.45 | jim | sounds very good so far |
| 05:28.47 | will_ | I'd settle even for forcing a certain resolution with vmware and stretching the display of debian to fill, but idek if thast possible |
| 05:28.54 | somiaj | yasir: you most likely just need the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free then. |
| 05:28.56 | will_ | I'm using cinamon |
| 05:29.17 | somiaj | will_: you can run the command xrandr from a terminal or check cinamon's configuations to adjust the resolution. |
| 05:29.33 | yasir | <somiaj> how |
| 05:29.48 | jim | somiaj, he could lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 05:30.47 | somiaj | yasir: if you don't have a network connection, packages.debian.org/firmware-iwlwifi and download the .deb, and copy it over to your machine. |
| 05:31.10 | somiaj | yasir: if you do have an internet connect (say wired), you can add non-free sources, and then install it with apt. |
| 05:31.14 | will_ | @somiaj, my output https://hastebin.com/zuhilofigi.css |
| 05:31.24 | somiaj | jim: < yasir> intel corporation wireless 7265 -- that is iwlwifi |
| 05:31.30 | will_ | does this xrandr thing allow me to adjust res? |
| 05:31.35 | jim | oh ok |
| 05:31.56 | somiaj | will_: yes, you can pick any of those resolutions, thoguh I'm surprised you can't do this within cinnimon itself. |
| 05:31.58 | will_ | I fear i might do that, then it simply occupies that specific amount of pixels on my screen, becoming too small to use |
| 05:32.06 | somiaj | will_: you said you found the UI scale and doubled the UI and that is too small. |
| 05:32.13 | yasir | what to do jim now |
| 05:32.42 | will_ | not UI scale. Text scale |
| 05:33.04 | will_ | I'm not trying top get UI (headers buttons, panels etc) to scale too |
| 05:33.09 | jim | yasir, you have a couple choices... we could try to get your wireless working now, or get your wired going first |
| 05:33.15 | somiaj | will_: cinnomon has a UI scale feature that allows you to select 200% (double) which doubles the whole ui and various poeple with resolutions slightly smaller than yours say it is too big. I would try that first. |
| 05:33.32 | somiaj | will_: I don't use any DE so I'm unsure where in cinnimon to find this setting, but it is under cinnomon's settings somewhere. |
| 05:33.48 | jim | do you have an ethernet cable that's long enough to reach your laptop on one side and your router on the other? |
| 05:33.58 | will_ | gonna go looking for that option again |
| 05:34.03 | somiaj | will_: it should be under 'user interface scaling' drop down menu and allow you to select 200% |
| 05:34.57 | will_ | no such option exists |
| 05:35.10 | will_ | do you have a gui on your machine right now? |
| 05:35.15 | will_ | i could show u a screenshot of what ive got |
| 05:35.32 | jim | yasir, which do you want to do first? |
| 05:36.00 | somiaj | yasir: if you have a usb drive, instead of setting up routing you could just down load the .deb, and copy it over to that machine. |
| 05:36.18 | yasir | anything |
| 05:36.18 | somiaj | will_: That's fine, I don't know if it is in debian or not, since most hits I get are for mint. |
| 05:36.47 | yasir | i have ethernet cable |
| 05:36.54 | yasir | what to do |
| 05:36.57 | somiaj | will_: xrandr --output Virtual1 --mode 1600x1200 |
| 05:37.11 | somiaj | yasir: I would just plug it into your router, chances are your network will come up. |
| 05:37.15 | jim | can you connect it to your laptop on one side and your router on the other? |
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| 05:37.48 | yasir | yes |
| 05:38.17 | jim | ok, do that... |
| 05:38.44 | jim | how to get a dhcp, does he have to edit interfaces? |
| 05:38.57 | will_ | lol @somiaj did exactly what i feared |
| 05:39.09 | somiaj | will_: what did that do? |
| 05:39.14 | somiaj | will_: this is on vmware you said? or native? |
| 05:39.15 | will_ | occupied exactly 1600x1200 pixels on my screen |
| 05:39.21 | will_ | its letterboxed now |
| 05:39.25 | will_ | this is on vmware |
| 05:39.38 | somiaj | will_: can't you put vmware into a window? I don't know vwmare either, so unsure on what it can do |
| 05:39.50 | somiaj | will_: sounds like you have vwmare occupying full screen instead of being in window mode |
| 05:40.13 | yasir | i dont know |
| 05:40.22 | will_ | its in a window |
| 05:40.38 | jim | yasir, probably a good way, is become root, and then run: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:40.45 | somiaj | and you can't make the window smaller, or does vmware report its window as that large resolution no matter what size it is? |
| 05:40.47 | will_ | and when i move that window or resize it, it resizes to whatever resolution the vmware windows is at |
| 05:40.58 | somiaj | will_: this almost sounds like something you sould configure in vmware, as to how big the virtual display is. |
| 05:41.32 | yasir | ok |
| 05:41.36 | will_ | well vmware always prompts to instalkl 'vmware-tools' |
| 05:41.48 | will_ | that allows for dynamic resizing |
| 05:42.05 | will_ | That undoes the xrandr command if i move or resize the widnow |
| 05:42.07 | somiaj | will_: does vmware provide a debian package for that? |
| 05:42.22 | will_ | its a .pl executable in an archive |
| 05:42.25 | jim | yasir, let me know when you see the edito |
| 05:42.33 | somiaj | will_: anyways, I think your issue is partly with how vmware is configured, but I'm not quite sure on the details here, as I don't use vmware. |
| 05:42.47 | will_ | alright I'll check out vmwares display settings brb |
| 05:43.04 | somiaj | will_: https://superuser.com/questions/652547/vmware-player-vm-resolution-way-too-big -- is that what you are experiecing? |
| 05:43.09 | jim | jumped the gun... I don't know what his interfaces are called |
| 05:43.22 | yasir | what is shortcut to open terminal |
| 05:44.50 | jim | I don't know... you'll have to look in the menu (or, you can get a virtual console) |
| 05:45.19 | yasir | ok |
| 05:45.26 | yasir | in interfaces |
| 05:45.31 | yasir | auto lo |
| 05:45.45 | yasir | iface lo inet loopback |
| 05:46.21 | jim | ok, good... we need out for a second, so hit ctrl-X |
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| 05:47.10 | yasir | ok |
| 05:47.24 | jim | now run: ifconfig -a |
| 05:47.36 | jim | and I'll be back in a sec |
| 05:47.39 | will_ | well i set a 50% resolution, and debian went ahead and just stretched to full resolution |
| 05:47.45 | yasir | ok |
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| 05:49.14 | somiaj | will_: well I would mess with it more, it seems you can set the maximum resolution of any monintor in vmware to fit the size of the window you want. |
| 05:50.17 | jim | yasir, the ifconfig listing will show some paragraphs with info about each interface on the right side... and the interface names on the left side... do you see that? |
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| 05:50.35 | will_ | I used the max resolution setting and that didnt work |
| 05:50.48 | will_ | gonna uninstakll the vmware tools now to see if it works after that |
| 05:50.58 | yasir | command not found |
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| 05:51.08 | jim | ok |
| 05:51.13 | somiaj | jim: if they dont' have network-manager installed and that just brings up the wired interface, I woudln't follow that line of thought. |
| 05:51.30 | jim | let me get you a different way |
| 05:51.39 | yasir | ok |
| 05:51.42 | somiaj | jim: just have them edit the /etc/network/interfaces line, put 'iface <name> inet dhcp' in their interfaces, and then run 'ifup <intefacename> after saving the file |
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| 05:52.01 | somiaj | jim: also net-tools is no longer installed by default, an the old ifconfig tool is not avilable (by default). ip is the modern replacmeent. |
| 05:52.17 | yasir | name ?? |
| 05:52.33 | somiaj | yasir: run ip a, it should list all your interface names. |
| 05:52.49 | somiaj | yasir: also see if the one that is wired will start with an e, has an ipaddress given to it |
| 05:53.32 | yasir | ok |
| 05:53.40 | jelly | will_: should you choose to have them installed, there are open-vm-tools (and open-vm-tools-desktop) packaged in the distro |
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| 05:54.19 | yasir | yes |
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| 05:55.26 | will_ | alright what was that xrandr command again? |
| 05:56.00 | will_ | Ive removed vmware-tools and now I've got a 800*600 stretched to fill 4k pixels |
| 05:56.15 | somiaj | will_: xrandr --output name --mode resolution (use xrandr -q to list the name and modes) |
| 05:56.34 | jim | yasir, see the numbers, 1: 2: etc? |
| 05:56.45 | jim | on the far left |
| 05:56.47 | yasir | which no |
| 05:57.02 | somiaj | will_: but cinnamon should have its own tool to configure this. And it should be set on the max res, so now that you removed vmware tools you may not be able to get bigger resolutions. |
| 05:57.09 | jim | on the ip a listing |
| 05:57.17 | will_ | *sob* |
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| 05:57.23 | somiaj | will_: before you left, jelly mentioned, 23:53 < jelly> will_: should you choose to have them installed, there are open-vm-tools (and open-vm-tools-desktop) packaged in the distro |
| 05:57.37 | will_ | oh neat i didnt know that |
| 05:57.44 | somiaj | maybe someone with vmware experience or cinnimon experience can give you better advise than I can. |
| 05:57.46 | will_ | will do that instead if i have to resort to that |
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| 05:58.04 | somiaj | will_: but running xrandr you don't see any resolution above 800x600 do you? |
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| 05:58.17 | will_ | cinammon may have a tool for that which i dont knwo of, but its certainly not in the settings |
| 05:58.33 | somiaj | can you right click the desktop and get some additional settings? |
| 05:58.40 | jim | yasir, well these numbers will be to the left of the interface name |
| 05:58.40 | will_ | this isnt the first time ive combed the settings looking for a solution. I was simply fed up tonight cuz my neck hurt bending close to read |
| 05:58.52 | jim | like you might see: 1: lo |
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| 05:59.10 | will_ | I get no dialogue when i right click on desktop |
| 05:59.25 | somiaj | will_: can't help you more, I don't use either of the software giving you trouble. |
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| 06:02.02 | jim | yasir, do you see something like: 1: aName 2: anotherName |
| 06:02.11 | will_ | alright, @somiaj thanks |
| 06:02.21 | yasir | no |
| 06:02.31 | will_ | xrandr --output name virtual1 --mode 1620x1080 this didnt work |
| 06:02.38 | will_ | not sure what i messed up there |
| 06:03.17 | somiaj | will_: run 'xrandr -q' do you see any resolutions bigger than 800x600? |
| 06:03.42 | jim | he gone... |
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| 06:03.54 | jim | he back |
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| 06:03.59 | yasir | hey |
| 06:04.02 | somiaj | will_: I think your best bet is to install the open tools in the debian repo, and then just maybe get some rest and come back to this, there should be a way to configure vmware to give you the correct resolution you want |
| 06:04.06 | somiaj | will_: run 'xrandr -q' do you see any resolutions bigger than 800x600? |
| 06:04.10 | yasir | jim |
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| 06:04.25 | yasir | what to do |
| 06:04.25 | jim | yasir, can you try this: it's a bit long... |
| 06:04.34 | will__ | yes, same long list of resolutions as before |
| 06:04.52 | yasir | what is that |
| 06:05.02 | somiaj | will_: notice how the name of the monitor is Virtual1 (captial) |
| 06:05.10 | somiaj | will_: make sure you get the name and the resolution to match one in that list |
| 06:05.28 | somiaj | will_: also it is just --output Virtual1 (you had an extra name there) |
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| 06:05.35 | jim | for i in /sys/class/net/* ; do basename $i ; done |
| 06:05.48 | somiaj | jim: or have them look at 'ip a' |
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| 06:06.11 | jim | yeah I saw you had him look at that listing |
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| 06:06.17 | yasir | 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1 link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever inet6 ::1/128 scope host valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 2: enp0s25: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000 link/ether fc:3f:db:8d |
| 06:06.20 | yasir | ip a |
| 06:06.23 | yasir | result |
| 06:07.09 | jim | so he doesn't have an eth or a wlan |
| 06:07.25 | somiaj | it could be their wired card is a rare one that needs firmeware too |
| 06:07.34 | somiaj | yasir: you dno't see any 2: or 3: cards, just that 1:? |
| 06:07.39 | jim | let's find out |
| 06:07.48 | somiaj | sound slike the only option is download the .deb and then copy it over to the system on a usb drive |
| 06:07.53 | yasir | yes |
| 06:08.09 | yasir | i m on ethernet |
| 06:08.16 | yasir | can i update |
| 06:08.16 | jim | what's 2:? |
| 06:08.19 | yasir | ls |
| 06:08.47 | jim | we're not seeing an interface yet |
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| 06:09.02 | will_ | sorry i keep losing my connection |
| 06:09.10 | will_ | ^comcast :( |
| 06:09.25 | yasir | shall i add interface |
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| 06:09.30 | yasir | again |
| 06:09.33 | will_ | The stretch only works in fullscreen |
| 06:09.41 | jim | yasir, no, hold on |
| 06:09.48 | yasir | ok |
| 06:09.51 | will_ | in windowed mode, it taked up exactly the specified numebr of pixels still |
| 06:09.57 | jim | can you do: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 06:10.01 | jim | show us that |
| 06:10.03 | will_ | sp O'm going to try the open-vmware-toosl |
| 06:10.06 | jim | should be two lines |
| 06:10.07 | yasir | ok |
| 06:10.29 | yasir | lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 06:10.35 | jim | yeah |
| 06:10.36 | yasir | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (3) I218-LM [8086:15a2] (rev 03) 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 48) |
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| 06:11.13 | jim | ,pciid [8086:095a] |
| 06:11.14 | judd | [8086:095a] is 'Wireless 7265' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:095a http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 06:11.40 | jim | pciid [8086:15a2] |
| 06:11.51 | jim | ,pciid [8086:15a2] |
| 06:11.52 | judd | [8086:15a2] is 'Ethernet Connection (3) I218-LM' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'e1000e', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:15a2 |
| 06:12.41 | jim | yasir, can you do: modprobe e1000e |
| 06:13.49 | yasir | what next |
| 06:14.12 | jim | look at ip a again, do you see more now? |
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| 06:14.57 | jim | (e1000e is the name of your ethernet card driver) |
| 06:15.30 | yasir | 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1 link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever inet6 ::1/128 scope host valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 2: enp0s25: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000 link/ether fc:3f:db:8d |
| 06:15.55 | jim | there it is |
| 06:16.07 | jim | your ethernet interface name is enp0s25 |
| 06:17.07 | jim | NOW we can go back to: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:18.03 | jim | let me know when you're there |
| 06:18.20 | yasir | ok |
| 06:18.50 | jim | move the cursor down as far as possible, use the down arrow key |
| 06:19.13 | jim | hit enter at least once |
| 06:19.20 | jim | then type this: |
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| 06:19.36 | jajajaj | howdoyoudo, all! |
| 06:20.10 | yasir | sudo nano /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
| 06:20.31 | yasir | # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback iface wifi inet dhcp |
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| 06:20.50 | yasir | jim |
| 06:21.11 | jajajaj | i has stunned at install at stage network hardware detection, it needs rtl8821ae.bin |
| 06:21.17 | jajajaj | what to do? |
| 06:21.21 | jim | make a new line at the bottom |
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| 06:21.38 | yasir | which line |
| 06:21.40 | jim | auto enp0s25 |
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| 06:21.49 | jim | below the bottom line |
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| 06:22.22 | jim | use the down arrow |
| 06:22.54 | yasir | done |
| 06:22.57 | yasir | what now |
| 06:23.05 | jajajaj | i try searching this file but think that it needs others |
| 06:23.13 | jim | now, hit enter, so you have another blank line below that |
| 06:23.24 | yasir | # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback iface wifi inet dhcp auto enp0s25 |
| 06:23.35 | jim | then put this: |
| 06:23.37 | jajajaj | what exactly to download? |
| 06:23.48 | jim | iface enp0s25 inet dhcp |
| 06:24.08 | yasir | below |
| 06:24.13 | yasir | or above |
| 06:24.29 | jim | below is fine |
| 06:24.47 | jim | so it should look like: |
| 06:24.57 | jim | auto enp0s25 |
| 06:25.00 | jim | iface enp0s25 inet dhcp |
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| 06:26.13 | jajajaj | machine is https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/Ideapad-520-15-Intel/p/88IP5000868 |
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| 06:27.38 | yasir | nothing works |
| 06:27.50 | jim | what did you do? |
| 06:28.39 | jim | you gotta focus a little more on the conversation... I'm just hanging here |
| 06:29.08 | jim | you're doing stuff that I don't know what you're doing, and you didn't tell me what you're doing |
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| 06:30.29 | jajajaj | how long i must wait for answer on this channel? |
| 06:30.37 | jim | yasir, are you still here? |
| 06:30.44 | yasir | i m following u |
| 06:30.48 | jim | ok |
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| 06:31.21 | jim | so then you should still be in the nano editor? hit ctrl-x |
| 06:31.27 | jim | answer yet |
| 06:31.32 | jim | yes |
| 06:31.36 | jim | hit enter |
| 06:32.06 | jim | let me know if that's done |
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| 06:33.48 | jim | I'm waiting for you to let me know |
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| 06:34.25 | jajajaj | help me, please |
| 06:34.53 | rpifan | nop |
| 06:35.17 | jim | jajajaj, ok what are you doing right now? what do you see? |
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| 06:36.25 | jim | you have to focus on the conversation... otherwise I'm pretty much being tortured :) |
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| 06:37.42 | jajajaj | jim, rtlwifi/trl8821aefw.bin rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw_wowlan.bin is missing! do you want to get it from other side |
| 06:38.18 | jajajaj | ? |
| 06:38.34 | jim | jajajaj, no... could you run: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 06:38.44 | jajajaj | jim, i'm using ukrainian language so i translate |
| 06:38.50 | jim | do you have net on the machine in question? |
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| 06:38.59 | jajajaj | no |
| 06:39.15 | jim | you don't have to translate... do it this way: |
| 06:39.30 | jajajaj | install stage network detection |
| 06:39.41 | jim | LC_ALL=C lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 06:39.58 | jajajaj | network hardware detection |
| 06:40.21 | jajajaj | i'm just installing |
| 06:40.34 | jajajaj | from net |
| 06:40.40 | jim | oh, why not just install the base and reboot |
| 06:40.51 | jim | then we can figure out the net in a moment |
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| 06:41.05 | jajajaj | jim, ok |
| 06:41.22 | jim | did you partition already? |
| 06:41.27 | jajajaj | no |
| 06:41.35 | jim | ok, that's coming |
| 06:41.39 | jajajaj | i has cracked win10 |
| 06:42.02 | jim | please don't do crack! |
| 06:42.05 | jajajaj | i has to buy win 10 or install debian |
| 06:42.16 | jim | ok |
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| 06:42.29 | jim | what are you using to install debian? |
| 06:42.37 | jim | I gotta get water |
| 06:42.43 | jajajaj | usb stick |
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| 06:44.19 | jajajaj | you think i must install base and after problem with network hardware is resolvining? |
| 06:44.41 | jajajaj | will resolve |
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| 06:46.05 | jajajaj | i has to decide to delete cracked windows 10...no os will be in that case on machine:-) |
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| 06:47.41 | jim | yeah, you could get rid of windows if you want |
| 06:47.49 | jim | probably a load off your mind |
| 06:48.08 | jajajaj | cracked windows give me computer shop:-) |
| 06:49.06 | jim | what's on the usb stick you're installing debian with? and what kind of machine? |
| 06:49.42 | jajajaj | https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/Ideapad-520-15-Intel/p/88IP5000868 |
| 06:49.59 | at0m | ,v linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 06:49.59 | jim | oh it's a laptop |
| 06:50.00 | judd | Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u4 |
| 06:51.23 | jajajaj | on usb stick debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinstall.iso |
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| 06:53.42 | jim | jajajaj, if you have on the usb what I think you have, you have a couple choices... you could try to get the network working now... or you could install just the base of debian, boot into that base, and then try to fix the net |
| 06:54.23 | jajajaj | jim, what percent of resolving problem with network hardware drivers after installing base of debian with help on this channel? |
| 06:54.44 | jajajaj | for that laptop |
| 06:54.45 | jim | I think you'd have a better chance if you leave the net unconfigured, install the base and boot into it |
| 06:55.35 | jajajaj | jim, percent of chance could you give me?) |
| 06:55.42 | jim | did you already get rid of the windows? |
| 06:55.48 | jajajaj | noo |
| 06:56.09 | jim | good, because we can probably use the win to download stuff |
| 06:56.43 | jajajaj | i has legally windows on other machine) |
| 06:56.46 | jim | I know of a debian installer usb image that has firmware for things like wireless |
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| 06:56.59 | jim | you can use the other machine if you want |
| 06:57.11 | David_Hedlund | Which program is used to run the bot in this channel? |
| 06:57.19 | jim | in fact, maybe it's better thgat way |
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| 06:57.59 | jim | there's 2 infobots and a custom bot that's probbly an infobot too |
| 06:58.26 | jim | jajajaj, want to try with a different image? |
| 06:58.34 | jajajaj | jim, you are slice human) |
| 06:58.55 | jim | what's that? |
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| 06:59.20 | jajajaj | percent of win/draw/loose) |
| 06:59.30 | David_Hedlund | jim: What's the name of the program(s) used to to serve them? Is it Eggdrop? |
| 06:59.31 | jajajaj | win/loose |
| 06:59.44 | jim | I don't remember |
| 06:59.51 | jim | I don't think they're eggs |
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| 07:00.29 | jim | David_Hedlund, do you want an infobot? |
| 07:01.03 | jim | judd is special, it's also access to the udd |
| 07:01.12 | David_Hedlund | jim: Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_bots to find a good bot to send notices in #fsf as part of my FSF internship. |
| 07:02.10 | jim | maybe you can apt install one of the bots |
| 07:02.45 | jim | jajajaj, we can probably do it in the installer, but that's harder |
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| 07:04.21 | jelly | David_Hedlund: limnoria (fork of supybot) seems to be more common these days |
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| 07:04.41 | jelly | judd: what are you |
| 07:04.47 | David_Hedlund | jelly: More common than Eggdrop? |
| 07:05.04 | jim | jajajaj, ok, so the machine has an i5 in it |
| 07:05.06 | jelly | more used and saner code (python rather than C and TCL) |
| 07:05.57 | jim | tcl isnt that horrible... but you'll probably like python better |
| 07:06.04 | David_Hedlund | jelly: Do you use Python scripts to make the bot send messages in channels? |
| 07:06.07 | jelly | judd in particular is either a supybot or limnoria instance, don't remember which. dpkg is a (perl based) infobot |
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| 07:06.18 | jelly | ,v limnoria |
| 07:06.19 | judd | Package: limnoria on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2017.01.10-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2017.01.10-1; stretch-backports: 2018.04.14-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2018.04.14-1; sid: 2018.04.14-1 |
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| 07:06.37 | jelly | David_Hedlund: ^ that's a custom python plugin |
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| 07:07.20 | David_Hedlund | Thank you guys. |
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| 07:09.34 | jim | jajajaj, I'm not that silly star trek robot... I can't compute pi to the last digit or accurately give you odds,,, I'm -guessing- that its probably 2 to 1, and maybe 3 to 1 if we can get your wireless going early (with an image I'm about to give yuou) |
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| 07:11.15 | Unit193 | judd: version |
| 07:11.16 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 07:11.59 | jim | jajajaj, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 07:13.18 | jim | jajajaj, write that image on your usb stick, and boot that |
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| 07:16.03 | jim | hmm, he's gone too |
| 07:17.29 | jelly | Unit193: namespace clash, you'd want "misc version" but you wouldn't have the permission for that to work |
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| 07:29.27 | Unit193 | jelly: Yes, noticed. And yeeah. |
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| 07:32.56 | jajajaj | jim, i has two usb sticks on one i write firmware dvd on other install dvd |
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| 07:33.42 | jelly | ,v supybot |
| 07:33.43 | judd | Package: supybot on amd64 -- jessie: 0.83.4.1.ds-2; wheezy: 0.83.4.1.ds-2; stretch: 0.83.4.1.ds-3; buster: 0.84.0.ds-1; sid: 0.84.0.ds-1 |
| 07:34.15 | jelly | it's one of those but I won't tell which :> |
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| 07:35.32 | jajajaj | jim, ok i follow your advice and use one |
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| 07:36.21 | jajajaj | if i will get no result then go on my way) |
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| 07:38.44 | jajajaj | jim, thanks for support - my hand is yours! |
| 07:39.48 | jajajaj | my arm, sorry:-) |
| 07:40.17 | jajajaj | my english is poor:-( |
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| 07:42.27 | AliceKelly | i installed kodi but i cant find a setting to make it cast to anything |
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| 07:43.23 | jajajaj | hand or arm?) |
| 07:43.55 | jajajaj | afaik first was hand then it became arm:-) |
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| 07:46.52 | jajajaj | all works!!thanks!!you are great!!! |
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| 07:54.35 | jajajaj | AliceKelly casting is odd:-) it's unprofitable:-) |
| 07:56.09 | jajajaj | i have no nervous force to keep casting:-( |
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| 07:58.02 | jim | my hand is your arm?! wha? |
| 07:58.19 | jelly | idioms are hard to translate |
| 07:58.30 | jajajaj | do not point:-) |
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| 07:59.32 | jajajaj | relax and enjoy:-) |
| 07:59.53 | jim | did it work this time/ |
| 07:59.55 | jim | ? |
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| 08:01.33 | jajajaj | thanks, jim, keep talking;-) |
| 08:02.05 | jim | it connected this time, and early in the installer? |
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| 08:02.50 | jim | the way you had it could have worked too, I guess |
| 08:03.08 | jajajaj | yes, mistake is repeate but i skip and all right! |
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| 08:03.57 | jim | it's just that this netinstall with the firmware has worked over and over again on lots of different machines |
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| 08:04.56 | jim | so especially for those who have laptops with wireless net cards, I tell people to use that image, worked almost every time |
| 08:05.34 | jajajaj | may be if i skip early everything was good i don't know, i has no brave:-( |
| 08:05.41 | shtrb|work | Now with the intel crazyiness you should also suggest to perform a full shutdown |
| 08:05.55 | jim | it could have worked |
| 08:06.56 | jim | basically you would reboot into just the base, then you can get the network figured out and install packages from there |
| 08:06.59 | jajajaj | jim, check is normal money;-) |
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| 08:08.05 | jim | no, the best thign to do is pay it forward... if you find someone who wants linux, help them get it |
| 08:08.33 | jim | also, playground: find a hackerspace or makespace |
| 08:09.08 | shtrb|work | jajajaj, check is not a normal money :) |
| 08:10.09 | jim | anyway, glad you got it going, now you can relax and start learning it |
| 08:10.21 | jajajaj | shtrb|work, h is only money :-) |
| 08:11.11 | shtrb|work | jajajaj, the best money is pizza , no inflation , get spoilled if not used, it has smell |
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| 08:12.04 | jajajaj | shtrb|work, i follow you:-) |
| 08:12.46 | shtrb|work | no more crypto! all make pizza ! |
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| 08:24.43 | jajajaj | shtrb|work, how many planets in solar system? |
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| 08:25.00 | shtrb|work | with or without the micro ? |
| 08:25.23 | jajajaj | as you wish:-) |
| 08:25.24 | jajajaj | s |
| 08:26.02 | shtrb|work | Ceres, Pluto , Haumea, Makemake (no connection to the gnu tool) , Eris ,... |
| 08:26.57 | shtrb|work | give someone enought time and there will name a planet after autoconf |
| 08:26.59 | jajajaj | thanks:-) |
| 08:28.24 | jajajaj | radio says that's only dances:-) |
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| 08:30.14 | jajajaj | death is unrespawnable:-) |
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| 08:31.45 | shtrb|work | There is mode Z in ps |
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| 08:32.55 | jelly | #debian-offtopic please |
| 08:32.57 | jajajaj | shtrb|work, foget or forget |
| 08:33.03 | jajajaj | sorry |
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| 08:33.58 | jelly | !zombie |
| 08:33.58 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 08:43.29 | jajajaj | linux do not recognize right mouse button on touchpad:-( |
| 08:43.46 | jajajaj | what to do? |
| 08:44.01 | jajajaj | use internal mouse? |
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| 08:44.21 | nkuttler | check the gnome settings? |
| 08:44.32 | jajajaj | xfce |
| 08:45.51 | jajajaj | syna2b33.00 06cb:8251 device |
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| 08:47.28 | shtrb|work | jajajaj, check if you go more right in the the touchpad |
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| 08:47.53 | shtrb|work | (when you are close to the center , it sometimes register that just as a click ) |
| 08:48.27 | jajajaj | down right corner |
| 08:48.39 | shtrb|work | same thing ? |
| 08:48.45 | jajajaj | ugu |
| 08:48.49 | shtrb|work | what ? |
| 08:48.53 | jajajaj | yes |
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| 08:53.31 | jajajaj | i has to go for internal mouse if the situation with right button change i will be later,ok? |
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| 09:32.35 | dfcnvt | I seem to be terrible at researching/googling it. I can't find a full list of Apple machine with specific architecture that works for any linux installation (will use Debian as an example). |
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| 09:33.50 | dfcnvt | I'm looking for something like, "i386" or "AMD64" or "ppc64el" to specific Apple hardware. |
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| 09:51.30 | hassoon | anyone who got xbacklight working in stretch ? |
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| 09:57.16 | konna44 | :O hi |
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| 09:59.13 | jim | hi |
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| 10:03.49 | hans_ | where was the testing channel? EFne |
| 10:03.57 | hans_ | EFNet?* |
| 10:04.10 | hans_ | oh, oftc.net, nvm |
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| 10:13.37 | afidegnum | my raid disk is 2Tb in size but due to initial configuration, i m having only 16GB to use, how do i make use of all the 2TB ? https://ghostbin.com/paste/vuzeh |
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| 10:19.17 | jim | make sure the array is assembled properly, and I'd probably start with /home, because then you'll have space for the others |
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| 10:21.04 | jim | right now, /home is empty, so you -could- blow it away and just reinitialize it |
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| 10:24.35 | afidegnum | ok |
| 10:24.46 | afidegnum | ah jim, how are you today? |
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| 10:29.13 | afidegnum | this is the initial structure of sdc and sdd https://ghostbin.com/paste/s35dt |
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| 10:31.15 | jim | I' good...tired |
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| 10:32.27 | afidegnum | can you please look into this for me pls? |
| 10:32.28 | afidegnum | https://ghostbin.com/paste/s35dt |
| 10:32.33 | afidegnum | i have cleared all the partitions, |
| 10:32.45 | afidegnum | do i need to merge the disks? |
| 10:33.47 | jim | I don't know much about raid |
| 10:33.57 | afidegnum | ok |
| 10:34.12 | jim | I never built an array |
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| 10:36.11 | hypn0 | is there any point, they seem to have more problems |
| 10:36.51 | hypn0 | another layer adds more problems |
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| 10:56.29 | ustalkopat | howdoyoudo,all!need help to enabling nvidia gpu 940mx on laptop, will you?just now it is only one vga device intel graphics on i5, installed bumblebee,primus, nvidia-driver,bumblebee-nvidia and got blank screen after grub,debian 9.4 amd64,in bios descreet graphics video is on |
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| 11:03.39 | grobi | o/ hello there |
| 11:04.29 | ustalkopat | hello |
| 11:04.57 | ustalkopat | how are you? |
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| 11:05.35 | grobi | <ustalkopat> thnk you i_m fine. how are you? |
| 11:05.50 | ustalkopat | need help( |
| 11:06.13 | grobi | you or me??? ;) |
| 11:06.33 | ustalkopat | you wanna money? |
| 11:06.47 | ustalkopat | how much? |
| 11:06.56 | grobi | i have enough for my simple lifestile |
| 11:07.10 | ustalkopat | then force? |
| 11:07.17 | ustalkopat | quality? |
| 11:07.21 | ustalkopat | time? |
| 11:07.26 | ustalkopat | what? |
| 11:08.06 | ustalkopat | why you are talking if you not supporting? |
| 11:08.16 | ustalkopat | are |
| 11:08.38 | grobi | i wann know if it is possible to convert musicfiles from flac with cue toc and m3u to lets say opus |
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| 11:09.00 | ustalkopat | possible) |
| 11:09.06 | grobi | or mp3, ogg etc. |
| 11:09.15 | ustalkopat | but in other life) |
| 11:09.16 | grobi | under debian strech |
| 11:09.54 | ustalkopat | may be in this it depend on time:) |
| 11:10.01 | ustalkopat | depends |
| 11:10.07 | ustalkopat | and money |
| 11:10.08 | grobi | i read that its possible under mac osses |
| 11:10.35 | grobi | ure cheeky talking arentyou? |
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| 11:11.05 | ustalkopat | i do not know word cheeky) |
| 11:11.14 | ustalkopat | can look |
| 11:11.29 | ustalkopat | but for what? |
| 11:11.52 | ustalkopat | i'm animal) |
| 11:12.12 | grobi | what kind of support youre looking for? |
| 11:12.30 | grobi | maybe somone knows in this channel. |
| 11:12.32 | ustalkopat | instruction |
| 11:12.42 | grobi | installing??? |
| 11:13.11 | ustalkopat | enabling video |
| 11:13.18 | grobi | vlc |
| 11:13.24 | ustalkopat | no 3d |
| 11:13.34 | ustalkopat | nvidia 940mx |
| 11:13.41 | ustalkopat | gpu |
| 11:13.43 | grobi | oh i cant tell |
| 11:13.53 | shtrb|work | !nvidia |
| 11:13.53 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:13.54 | ustalkopat | sorry |
| 11:14.07 | shtrb|work | !optimus |
| 11:14.07 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:15.00 | shtrb|work | ustalkopat, ^ |
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| 11:15.18 | ustalkopat | i read nearly all cases in bumblebee-project github, no one is mine |
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| 11:16.04 | shtrb|work | Did you try at #bumblebee ? |
| 11:16.10 | ustalkopat | yes |
| 11:16.29 | ustalkopat | silence |
| 11:16.31 | shtrb|work | Did you get an error like "Cannot access .." or something else ? |
| 11:16.33 | shtrb|work | oh |
| 11:17.13 | ustalkopat | cannot start bumblebee service, no secondary adapter |
| 11:17.35 | ustalkopat | but windows 10, see both |
| 11:18.27 | ustalkopat | they are speeder:-) |
| 11:19.13 | shtrb|work | https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/749 |
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| 11:22.25 | linuxmark | hello guys, I would like to know if with the iso firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst I can load the firmware of the wifi card and connect to the internet in the setup phase so as to download the updated packages |
| 11:23.18 | Sveta | isn't it easier to use ethernet to download the firmware from nonfree by adding it to sources.list? |
| 11:23.18 | grobi | ustalkopat: u see its a wonderful channel here ;) |
| 11:24.36 | bites | linuxmark: that's what that image is for. not 100% guaranteed, that it will work with your card, but in most cases it does. |
| 11:25.43 | linuxmark | bites during the setup a window is shown where I can choose the access points? |
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| 11:25.53 | bites | linuxmark: yep |
| 11:26.30 | linuxmark | bites is it possible choose a hidden wifi network? |
| 11:26.36 | ustalkopat | grobi, my problem is not resolved, just saying nothing is better then here and now:-) |
| 11:26.55 | bites | linuxmark: I don't remember, but probably. |
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| 11:27.34 | ustalkopat | grobi, i'll try last thing;-) |
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| 11:27.48 | grobi | <ustalkopat> but people come dealing with your problem sometime all u need is patients |
| 11:27.52 | linuxmark | bites is there any screenshot of this phase on the internet? |
| 11:30.55 | ustalkopat | grobi, my english is poor to listen to physolophy questions, i just on my way to truth;-) |
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| 11:31.31 | bites | linuxmark: not that i know of. |
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| 11:32.47 | grobi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:33.55 | grobi | post installation i meant |
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| 11:34.57 | linuxmark | grobi I'm interested in connecting to the wifi in the setup phase because I have to install the updated packages, not post-installation |
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| 11:36.26 | grobi | and udont have ethernet-access at all??? |
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| 11:39.10 | grobi | i also needed to setup wifi-connectio post install for iwlwifi driver 2 weeks ago. that was not in the update-package at tht time either... |
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| 11:40.17 | grobi | it is working fine since then. |
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| 11:41.08 | linuxmark | grobi yes I have ethernet access but in other room, for this reason I ask if it's possible with the wifi |
| 11:41.18 | grobi | but maybe somone here knows more comfortable ways for you |
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| 11:42.19 | grobi | if it s just a question of putting a cable... i dont know a better way, sorry |
| 11:44.18 | grobi | can you open a terninal during graphical installatio-process? |
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| 11:45.12 | linuxmark | I do not think so |
| 11:47.00 | grobi | iremember that ive been told by the installation-program that needed driver could not be loaded. did yours same when it came to network--setup??? |
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| 11:49.15 | bites | the installer has VTs as usual with CTRK+ALT+F1, now sure how that's relevant. |
| 11:49.29 | bites | * CTRL |
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| 11:53.43 | grobi | if so i only can recommend to wait until your room-mate is back from holliday |
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| 11:59.06 | grobi | <linuxmark> last thing iwrot was a joke ;)) couldnt note a lol before i knocked me out of my network by accident ;) |
| 12:00.10 | grobi | did one find another solution for your issue in the meantime?? |
| 12:00.25 | bites | is there even an issue? |
| 12:00.37 | grobi | i dont think so ;) |
| 12:01.05 | bites | the question was whether the firmware installer will work. the answer is "probably yes" |
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| 12:01.35 | bites | we can give further support if there is an actual problem. |
| 12:01.54 | grobi | but does he know which driver is needed? |
| 12:02.12 | bites | the firmware installer includes all firmware that it legally can. |
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| 12:02.49 | bites | that's the unofficial non-free installer. |
| 12:02.59 | grobi | i told you i had do do this postinstall cause iwlwifi has not been found... |
| 12:03.19 | bites | did you use the normal installer or the non-free one? |
| 12:04.03 | bites | i'm pretty sure the non-free installer includes iwlwifi. |
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| 12:04.49 | grobi | at the time of installation strech 9.4 the program told me that no driver was found for my card |
| 12:05.10 | bites | yes, i figured that from the first time you said it. |
| 12:05.48 | grobi | roundabout 2 weeks ago but maybe it was my fault somehow |
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| 12:06.15 | bites | again, was that the non-free installer or the normal image? |
| 12:06.51 | grobi | you mean what i was installing after installation????? |
| 12:07.05 | bites | no, i mean which installer you used to install debian. |
| 12:07.39 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 12:07.40 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 12:07.40 | grobi | ??? the graphical installer if that helps you.... |
| 12:07.58 | jelly | grobi: hidden in the depths of debian web there is a link to ^^ |
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| 12:08.15 | grobi | i did the installation with ethernet-connection |
| 12:08.18 | bites | the user that asked the question is using the image that includes non-free firmware. |
| 12:08.20 | jelly | good |
| 12:08.36 | nub | i would like to install wine but when i type 'sudo apt-get install wine' i get a whole list of recommended packages. i would like to install those too. how can i do that? |
| 12:08.51 | grobi | aha sorry i dont even know the differences... |
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| 12:11.24 | Sveta | nub: just write 'y' and hit enter |
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| 12:16.42 | nub | Sveta: that will result in installing the needed packages not the recommended packages |
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| 12:19.12 | bites | nub: are you talking about suggests and not recommended packages? recommended are installed by default, suggested are not. pass --install-suggests to apt-get if that's what you want. |
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| 12:20.08 | nub | bites: ah i am very sorry its called suggested |
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| 12:20.45 | nub | that changes it a bit a quess.. still want to install them :) |
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| 12:21.19 | grobi | bites & jelly i just worked my network-setup out with the "debian Chapter 5. Network setup page" i recommendet to linuxmark... hopefully there was nothing wrong with that...? |
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| 12:24.57 | bites | maybe not that relevant to the question, but nothing wrong with a little RTFM :P |
| 12:27.17 | nub | what is was looking for was --install-suggests |
| 12:27.57 | bites | nub: so exactly what was in my answer to you? ^^ |
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| 12:29.15 | nub | lol that was weird i read over it |
| 12:29.19 | nub | thanks bites :) |
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| 12:29.43 | nub | oh wow that add a extra 4gb |
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| 13:32.04 | FinalX | hm, in Ubuntu 16.04, I could set zfs module options in /etc/modprobe.d/zfs.conf but now in 18.04 (I have ZFS root now, didn't have that before), I can't seem to set them that way. Anyone an idea? Perhaps I should compile options into the initramfs or something? |
| 13:33.01 | FinalX | mostly concerning the spa_slop_shift :) I have had it increased to 6 in 16.04, so if it's not set to 6 after reboot, some pools appear full. |
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| 13:56.12 | afidegnum | i m having this error /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
| 13:56.38 | Guest57044 | afidegnum: stop cross posting |
| 13:56.40 | Guest57044 | you're not using debian |
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| 13:56.57 | Guest57044 | you've asked in ubuntu centos and now debian |
| 13:56.59 | Guest57044 | you've been told what to do, |
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| 14:10.05 | antto | i updated the kernel, rebooted, and after grub i'm in text mode and it says "[FAILED] Failed to start File System Check on /dev/disk/by-uuid/..." "You are in emergency mode..." |
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| 14:15.14 | antto | "Dependancy failed for /home" |
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| 14:34.42 | jhutchins | antto: You've given us nothing to go on. What release? What filesystem is /home on? |
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| 14:36.10 | antto | jhutchins it was something corrupted in sda3, which is my /home partition, there was some "node" thing with missing checksum, and some file? with invalid symbols in its name |
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| 14:36.28 | antto | i ran fsck on it, pressed some buttons, and it works now :/ |
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| 15:02.00 | dob1 | hi, I am using rsnapshot as backup tools, if I am not wrong it uses hardlinks between backups, but doing du -sh inside a backup dir gives me the real disk usage if there are hard links? |
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| 15:07.27 | jelly | dob1: doing du -sh that counts two directories, backup from today and backup from yesterday, will show less the 2 times the usage for each dir separately |
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| 15:09.54 | dob1 | jelly, I saw, I have to exclude some dirs then |
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| 15:11.22 | annadane | in the cinnamon available in stable, is there an application launcher for the panel anywhere? |
| 15:13.13 | annadane | also a "disable tooltips" would also be welcome |
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| 15:15.18 | annadane | if only as an extension |
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| 15:52.52 | dob1 | I don't understand this: I am in a dir with, let's say 3 subdir. In this dir: du -sh 1.2G ok, first subidr du -sh 949M , second subdir 949M , third subdir same, it's weird |
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| 15:57.08 | nkuttler | dob1: which filesystem |
| 15:57.52 | dob1 | nkuttler, ext3 |
| 15:58.26 | dob1 | the fact is that I am doing a backup of this dir (it's a qnap nas) to a debian pc and instead of 1.2GB I got a 11GB backup.. |
| 15:59.25 | dob1 | imho there are hard link |
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| 16:02.36 | nkuttler | dob1: that makes sense |
| 16:03.31 | dob1 | but it's strange, I would like to understand this behaviour |
| 16:04.13 | nkuttler | dob1: which tool did you use to copy? |
| 16:04.20 | dob1 | rsnapshot |
| 16:04.32 | dob1 | so rsync |
| 16:04.45 | nkuttler | dob1: a hardlink is really the same as the other file. if you tool is not aware of hardlinks you'll end up with more data usage |
| 16:04.56 | nkuttler | for rsync i think there are flags |
| 16:05.09 | dob1 | in the backup dir that I have on my debian pc the size is ok, I mean, the main dir is 11GB the total of all the subdir size |
| 16:05.25 | dob1 | it's on the source dir that I have this |
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| 16:06.03 | nkuttler | the backup dir is not the source dir? |
| 16:06.12 | nkuttler | wat? |
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| 16:07.39 | dob1 | sorry I was not clear, on the destination dir, where there is my backup, the size calculation is ok: the main dir is 11GB so the sum of all the subdir's size. On the source dir(on this nas) as I said the main dir is 1.2GB and every subdir is 950M |
| 16:08.29 | dob1 | why it gives me 1.2GB on the main dir and every subdir it's at least 950MB |
| 16:08.43 | nkuttler | which os/fs on the nas? |
| 16:08.55 | dob1 | it's a qnap, ext3 |
| 16:09.06 | nkuttler | no idea really |
| 16:09.08 | annadane | this is not a rant channel, but seriously, forced tooltips are stupid. they're distracting. if you make a desktop environment please give an easy way to disable them |
| 16:09.12 | annadane | now i'll shut up |
| 16:09.32 | dob1 | nkuttler, me too |
| 16:09.55 | blaztek | annadane: agreed |
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| 16:12.09 | annadane | i really like cinnamon otherwise, it does all the right things... except tooltips and no easy to access application launcher for panels |
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| 16:16.01 | dob1 | annadane, maybe it's cinnamon itself that is in this way |
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| 17:50.53 | grobot1 | hello |
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| 17:59.06 | naptastic | Hi! Is it possible to completely disable Linux from attempting to resume from hibernation? I know the conf file is /etc/initramfs-tools/resume but I can't find any comprehensive documentation; just how to reconfigure it for a new swap device. |
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| 18:03.18 | rant | naptastic: pretty sure there is a kernel param for that |
| 18:03.52 | rant | dpkg, noresume? |
| 18:03.52 | dpkg | i heard noresume is the boot parameter that you can add to your kernel boot command line so that the kernel doesn't try to resume back into your running session after <suspend>. Be warned that you will lose any unsaved work and your filesystems will be left in an inconsistent state as you effectively crash the kernel. |
| 18:04.46 | rant | dpkg: botsnack. |
| 18:04.46 | dpkg | rant: :) |
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| 18:07.10 | jim | dpkg, donut |
| 18:07.11 | dpkg | i guess donut is slightly crazy, slightly depressed, slightly paranoid. All pastry. |
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| 18:09.25 | rant | hmm.. that one is... odd.. |
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| 18:09.52 | rant | dpkg, person? |
| 18:09.53 | dpkg | methinks person is like a bot, but squishier |
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| 18:11.03 | bites | it's becoming sentient. |
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| 18:11.41 | grobot | hello i am new to this so con someone help me |
| 18:11.52 | bites | !ask |
| 18:11.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:12.59 | grobot | ok |
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| 18:15.21 | grobot | i am running the raspberry pi 3 and do not know how to setup a firewall can you help me with that |
| 18:16.58 | bites | grobot: are you using debian or raspbian? debian doesn't have a firewall by default. you can use iptables or some frontend for iptables like ufw. |
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| 18:18.41 | grobot | i am running raspbian |
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| 18:19.31 | bites | grobot: then ask over at #raspbian. generally only official debian is supported here. |
| 18:19.57 | grobot | ok |
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| 18:27.26 | rant | naptastic: did you get that? you just kinda asked a quetion and we never heard back from you idk if you got the answer or not |
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| 18:52.50 | muelli | hola. Can anybody point me to a signed deb package? I want to see and extract the contained _gpgorigin file. |
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| 18:54.14 | hammer | Hey guys, I just finished installing debian without an DE at first, then adding i3wm. What is the best way to install an up to date firefox with this setup? The version under iceweasel is really old, and using the binary provided by mozilla, I've ran into issues with it breaking when I do apt autoremove |
| 18:57.16 | somiaj | I would suggest using firefox-esr |
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| 18:57.38 | somiaj | it will be updated in a few months to the new esr (Version 60), but currently it is a year old (version 52) |
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| 18:58.01 | hammer | Yeah that's what I was trying to avoid, I really prefer the newer version |
| 18:58.02 | somiaj | the update will happen once the old esr looses security support and firefox has security issues which need to be fixed. |
| 18:58.20 | somiaj | my suggestion is to then download it from mozilla.org as a static binary and run it from inside your $HOME |
| 18:58.23 | somiaj | ,v firefox |
| 18:58.24 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 60.0.1-5 |
| 18:58.31 | somiaj | yea, it appears there is no backport for it. |
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| 18:59.15 | hammer | That's what I'm doing currently, but I just had an issue where it broke, I suspect it had something to do with running apt autoremove, although I don't know enough about linux to be sure |
| 19:00.15 | somiaj | hammer: that is strange, I didn't realize the static linked binary dependend on various things. |
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| 19:00.33 | somiaj | anyways, we dont' really support this method, but that is the safest way I know of to ensure that you don't mess with your debian install and still have firefox. |
| 19:00.42 | somiaj | as I said originally, I would just wait and use firefox 52, it works fine |
| 19:01.13 | hammer | That's probably what I'll go with... hopefully it fixes this issue where my cursor is enormous for no reason as well |
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| 19:04.35 | misirk85 | hello |
| 19:04.45 | misirk85 | i have issue with my debian |
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| 19:05.02 | somiaj | !ask |
| 19:05.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:05.14 | misirk85 | when a click screenlock his freeze |
| 19:05.51 | somiaj | You will have to proivde far more details than that. If english is not your primary language, I can point you to a place you can ask for support in another language. |
| 19:06.02 | misirk85 | a see only horizontal blinking dash |
| 19:06.27 | misirk85 | only alt crtl del working and reboot os |
| 19:06.47 | misirk85 | this issue happened after install nvidia drivers |
| 19:07.01 | somiaj | how did you install the nvidia drivers? Did you install them from nvidia.com? |
| 19:07.10 | misirk85 | also sometimes network adapter notworking |
| 19:07.20 | misirk85 | yep, i know its wrong -.- |
| 19:07.40 | misirk85 | but i remove it and instal from official repository |
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| 19:07.50 | misirk85 | and i think its to late |
| 19:08.11 | misirk85 | probaby i must install net debian os |
| 19:08.35 | misirk85 | i check on google information about this issue |
| 19:08.36 | misirk85 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/762918 |
| 19:09.06 | somiaj | !remove nvidia-installer |
| 19:09.07 | dpkg | i heard remove nvidia-installer is as root type "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall". Debian's nvidia-installer-cleanup package can also assist, ask me about <contrib>. |
| 19:09.09 | somiaj | that might help |
| 19:09.31 | misirk85 | ok i try :) |
| 19:10.07 | somiaj | I would guess it is some artificat of the nivida dirver or your configuration. The debian nvidia driver works just fine for me here. |
| 19:10.29 | naptastic | rant, thanks for checking back with me. I got pulled away to deal with a crisis and just saw your message. The kernel parameter worked, which greatly accelerates booting this machine. Thanks for your help! |
| 19:12.13 | rant | no worries |
| 19:12.33 | rant | I just like to make sure any active questions are answered when we're goofin off |
| 19:12.36 | misirk85 | nvidia-installer-cleanup is already installed at the requested version (20151021+4) |
| 19:13.29 | misirk85 | sudo: /usr/bin/nvidia-installer: command not found |
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| 19:16.14 | somiaj | misirk85: maybe reinstall it, I don't see that file listed in the package list, but I don't know the details of the package. |
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| 19:19.04 | somiaj | misirk85: oh wait, the /usr/bin/nvidia-installer is something left behind by the nvidia.com's installer package. In this case, I think installing the package is enough. Maybe try to --reinstall it to see if that triger it looking to cleanup your system. |
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| 19:25.00 | rpifan | so ive looked at all the tutorials and i cant get my bluetooth speker to wrok iwth debian |
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| 19:30.32 | somiaj | rpifan: what part is not working, have you assoicated it with your system? Does the sound card show up in cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 19:31.07 | misirk85 | great i remove all nvidia apps |
| 19:31.32 | rpifan | the blutooth speaker does connect |
| 19:31.33 | misirk85 | and when i go to screen lock its working corectly |
| 19:31.40 | rpifan | but it tends to keep disconnecting |
| 19:31.57 | rpifan | it shows as disconnected in the gnome bluetooth menu |
| 19:32.21 | somiaj | have you looked at demsg and see what sort of kernel output you are getting? |
| 19:32.32 | misirk85 | but now i dont know whitch package i should install because i hev resolution 1024 :) |
| 19:32.50 | misirk85 | 1024x768 |
| 19:32.54 | somiaj | !nvidia kernel dkms |
| 19:33.04 | somiaj | !nvidia dkms |
| 19:33.05 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 19:33.11 | somiaj | that is the basic thing I use |
| 19:33.14 | rpifan | my bluetooth speaker just keeps beeping |
| 19:33.14 | rpifan | cant seem to connect |
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| 19:40.22 | becks` | hi, this means I should get more RAM, correct? http://paste.debian.net/plain/1026714 |
| 19:41.14 | somiaj | you are using swap, so more ram could help out |
| 19:41.25 | becks` | okay thanks somiaj :) |
| 19:41.32 | somiaj | you have seen this |
| 19:41.37 | somiaj | !free memory |
| 19:41.37 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 19:41.54 | somiaj | but in your case, since you are using swap, your memory being full isn't just cache |
| 19:42.17 | somiaj | and using quite a bit of swap |
| 19:45.38 | rpifan | Sap driver initialization failed. |
| 19:45.39 | rpifan | got that error |
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| 19:48.30 | becks` | thanks somiaj! |
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| 19:55.15 | misirk85 | working perfect but i have still one issue |
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| 19:55.44 | galex-713 | somiaj: shouldnât swap be used even if ram isnât full, so you can fill ram with more stuff maybe more important to access quick thought it should normally be recomputed/stored on disk? |
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| 19:56.15 | galex-713 | (cache, uncompressed versions of files, caching of operations, caching of files, caching of network, files that might be loaded/that are frequently, etc.) |
| 19:56.19 | misirk85 | when i activate lockscreen monitor dont power down |
| 19:56.36 | misirk85 | before accident with drivers working fine |
| 19:56.37 | misirk85 | :) |
| 19:57.14 | somiaj | galex-713: that is why there was about 700megs still used for cache and free, and yes swap will contain stuff that isn't activally being accessed. But in general, if you have enough ram, swap won't be needed. |
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| 19:57.41 | somiaj | galex-713: that is why there was about 700megs still used for cache and free, and yes swap will contain stuff that isn't activally being accessed. But in general, if you have enough ram, swap won't be needed. |
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| 19:58.19 | somiaj | there was about 2 gigs of swap being used, in that case more ram should increase preformance due to not having to swap memory so much and write to the HD, but if it is 'needed' migth be personal taste. |
| 19:58.32 | somiaj | (here I have way to much ram, so I don't even have a swap drive, as it is never used) |
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| 19:59.27 | somiaj | misirk85: so the lock screen should power down your monintor. Usually the xorg blanking and dkms is on a timer too, but I am unsure on the details there. Did you check gnome's power managment settings, it might have settings for this. |
| 20:00.12 | galex-713_ | somiaj: on linux you mean? |
| 20:00.14 | galex-713_ | itâs sad |
| 20:00.33 | galex-713_ | I believe there would be âenough ramâ when there would be as much ram as memory |
| 20:00.57 | galex-713_ | and I never have âenough memoryâ to store all the movies, series, documents, musics, etc. I watched or would like to share in my life |
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| 20:01.11 | somiaj | galex-713_: correct, and yes, the idea is you only need as much ram as you use, a little bit extra is nice, and swap is there for the times you exceed normal ussage. |
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| 20:01.49 | somiaj | but in that users case I would (if possible) add about 2gigs more ram, swap will still be used as you described, but not nearly as heavly. |
| 20:02.30 | galex-713_ | also because of because of rebound effect |
| 20:02.39 | somiaj | and to me memory = ram, I don't consider storage space ram, and usualy one doesn't need all of their movies in memeory at once. |
| 20:02.41 | galex-713_ | yes I see |
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| 20:04.25 | somiaj | oopps, typo, I don't consider storage space memeory |
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| 20:05.49 | galex-713_ | at itâs true in english people says memory for ram |
| 20:06.19 | galex-713_ | I donât understand why, I mean, memory is a word that existed before computer and can still be used to describe human memory, and, by analogy, any kind of storage |
| 20:06.38 | Peyam | hi |
| 20:06.49 | Peyam | what is the name of that application that you can use to install fonts |
| 20:06.52 | bites | but that's what RAM means. random-access memory. |
| 20:06.54 | Peyam | typesycra h? |
| 20:06.59 | galex-713_ | also there should be another name for ram, because SSD would technically match the acronym of âRAMâ |
| 20:06.59 | Peyam | typestrach? |
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| 20:07.30 | galex-713_ | in french we say âmémoire viveâ, itâs like âlive memoryâ or Iâm not sure |
| 20:07.33 | bites | persistant storage you call storage and not memory. |
| 20:07.41 | somiaj | galex-713_: I can see either agument, but it is quite common that memeory means ram, and words evolve over time. |
| 20:07.58 | becks` | oh a follow-up question - how can I extend my swap file? can I just create one that's double the size and do a 'swapon /var/newswap.img'? |
| 20:08.05 | somiaj | Peyam: install fonts from where? I think with fontconfig you can just copy the .ttf font files into $HOME/.fonts |
| 20:08.21 | somiaj | becks`: you can, though swap partitions are usually considered preferable. |
| 20:08.29 | Peyam | yes but they had a collection of fonts that you can see and choose from |
| 20:08.47 | somiaj | Peyam: I don't know of any such tool, various webpages let you do this, download the ones you want. |
| 20:08.57 | becks` | okay, so will linux automagically move stuff that's currently in swap to my new file? or will it end processes in order to free up swap? :S |
| 20:08.57 | somiaj | Peyam: if there is a such tool, I'm not area of one. |
| 20:09.23 | somiaj | becks`: I think you'll want to reboot, remove the swap and add the new one. There might be a way to do this on a running system, but I do not know of one. |
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| 20:09.32 | somiaj | becks`: if you are currently using your swap, you don't want to remove it. |
| 20:09.41 | galex-713_ | somiaj: I wouldnât even call it common, I would call it standard |
| 20:09.45 | becks` | okay, thanks somiaj :) |
| 20:09.54 | galex-713_ | all english software says âmemoryâ |
| 20:10.00 | galex-713_ | never saw otherwise |
| 20:10.18 | blasen | galex-713_: correct .. i guess you would use RAM to differ to other forms of (mainly persistent storage), for it has unique and relevant characteristics |
| 20:10.33 | somiaj | becks`: google gave me this, https://askubuntu.com/questions/927854/how-do-i-increase-the-size-of-swapfile-without-removing-it-in-the-terminal |
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| 20:11.13 | galex-713_ | blasen: for most ram we should say wvram for writable&volatile, but that still describes the properties, not the usage |
| 20:11.19 | galex-713_ | âdirect memoryâ would be a good term |
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| 20:12.06 | galex-713_ | because thatâs what it is technically in the architecture and what makes it special, beside any volatile (but sequential) or random-access (but persistant) memory |
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| 20:12.40 | bites | i think you are trying to solve a non-issue. |
| 20:13.04 | galex-713_ | the fact there is a direct and volatile (plus sometimes a direct and non-volatile but non-writable) and an indirect persistant memory is not something trivial you could imagine about computers if nobody never told you |
| 20:13.41 | somiaj | becks`: that link seems to give a way to grow the file, but you still have to remove the swap, which means you can't have any memeory in it at the time you do this (my understanding) |
| 20:14.58 | galex-713_ | if swap partition is better than swap file, I guess it is because swap partition is guaranteed to be sequential, right? |
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| 20:15.16 | somiaj | galex-713_: it is also faster because there is no filesystem overhead it has to deal with. |
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| 20:15.49 | galex-713_ | wouldnât anything fix and sequential be faster? |
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| 20:16.10 | rpifan | so the error i get using bluetoothctl is Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed |
| 20:16.33 | somiaj | provided you have plenty of space (usually 5% on ext4 is resreved for this), ext file systems don't get that fragmented. But yes, being sequential does help out. |
| 20:16.35 | galex-713_ | like, if a filesystem had a feature of special fix (that couldnât move on disk while opened) and sequential (not scattered among non-contiguuous blocks) file that might be as fast right? |
| 20:16.49 | somiaj | but overall unless you fill up your drive, framgmeation isn't that bad on ext file systems. |
| 20:17.14 | somiaj | there are extended attributes I think you can use to do just that, at least the non-moving part, and this I think can be used to force sequential |
| 20:17.26 | galex-713_ | 5%? I thought it just scattered as much as possible files with a maximum space between them |
| 20:18.09 | galex-713_ | somiaj: then what could be the overhead? the fact filesystem could (transparently, but with overhead) move the data? something else? |
| 20:18.11 | somiaj | 5% is the standard reseved amount on ext file systems for root use, and the caching and linux file system managemnet is quite good, and fragmentaion only usualy becomes an issue if you start getting 90% full (not having space to move things around) |
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| 20:18.59 | somiaj | galex-713_: I don't know the details enough, but a filesystem is anohter layer on top of the partition, that a swap file would need to deal with. |
| 20:19.15 | somiaj | it could be that your observation is the main advantange, and the overhead is small in comparision. |
| 20:19.30 | somiaj | (a sequential parititon vs a file possibly fragmented ont he file system) |
| 20:19.55 | galex-713_ | thereâs also the fixness of it |
| 20:20.07 | galex-713_ | like youâre normally guaranteed a partition wonât move |
| 20:20.35 | blasen | galex-713_: sry, i eventually missed a few lines due connection loss. colloquially (even if not strict) RAM is that memory part of the north-bridge, having an own bus-system. i guess it's short and ultra-inter-national: RAM. of course we appreciate lyrical bohemian random access memorie expressions, rare as they are! |
| 20:20.37 | somiaj | and that is all hidden behind the filesystem overhead, but I only know the basics of this, I coudln't give you an specific on the details. |
| 20:20.48 | misirk85 | !somiaj i have lxde |
| 20:21.13 | misirk85 | how can i send green message to other users? |
| 20:21.14 | misirk85 | :) |
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| 20:21.36 | somiaj | misirk85: oh for somereason I thought you had gnome, anyways, does lxde have any of these powersaving settings/features. There is also 'xset' which can be used to configure xorgs default screen blanking and dkms features |
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| 20:22.12 | blasen | pisses vers les cieux bruns, très haut et très loin! |
| 20:22.20 | somiaj | misirk85: that is your client, whenever I type a sentence with your name it highlights you. Just as if you type a sentence with my nick I get hilighted. Tabcompletion is also common, so type som<tab> that will fill out my nick and my client will higlihth me |
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| 20:24.10 | galex-713_ | blasen: isnât the term RAM defined outside of computers where there are north-bridges, bus systems, etc.? |
| 20:24.23 | blasen | it is. |
| 20:24.31 | galex-713_ | I mean, ârandom accessâ may be anything even non-electronical |
| 20:24.42 | blasen | yes. |
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| 20:25.05 | galex-713_ | lyrical bohemian random access memorie expressions? |
| 20:25.07 | galex-713_ | expressions? |
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| 20:26.29 | blasen | originally it was opposed to ROM. Read Only Memory.. or flash memory like typically used in hardware parts with some firmware |
| 20:26.52 | galex-713_ | yes I recall that, yet RO and RA arenât really related/opposed |
| 20:26.59 | galex-713_ | You may have both or none |
| 20:27.20 | blasen | just mentioned it for the protocol. |
| 20:27.21 | galex-713_ | a disk is none, a rom is both |
| 20:27.44 | galex-713_ | I was just saying âdirect memoryâ should be a more precise and adequate term quite often, just like octet may be sometimes, instead of byte (or the reverse) |
| 20:27.54 | galex-713_ | (though some norms defined a byte as an octet) |
| 20:27.55 | buu_ | This is a very basic question because I'm not sure where to start. I have a sgi/rackable se3016 sas expander with a rj45 port on the front that is supposed to be a http://www.lantronix.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/XPort_UG.pdf serial<->rj45 translator |
| 20:28.15 | buu_ | But when I plug a cat5 cable into the port from a debian box and run ip link up, it just shows "no carrier" |
| 20:28.45 | buu_ | Is there any magic set of signals I I might need to send to convince the port to "wake up" in some cases? |
| 20:29.09 | blasen | twisted? |
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| 20:30.17 | buu_ | Would a port that is working in any way shape or form ever report no-carrier? |
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| 20:34.15 | jhutchins | buu_: When the device on the other end isn't up. |
| 20:34.42 | jhutchins | buu_: I would imagine that the convertor needs a driver. |
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| 20:34.54 | jhutchins | buu_: Is it powered? |
| 20:34.59 | buu_ | Yes |
| 20:35.01 | blasen | buu_: have you been through that "DeviceInstaller" procedure? |
| 20:35.02 | buu_ | It has blinken lights |
| 20:35.16 | buu_ | jhutchins: Would I need a driver just to detect a "carrier" signal? |
| 20:35.21 | jhutchins | buu_: Possibly you need a crossover cable. |
| 20:35.30 | buu_ | uh |
| 20:35.34 | buu_ | huh |
| 20:35.41 | buu_ | Don't network cards detect that now? |
| 20:35.45 | blasen | yes. that's what i meant with twisted |
| 20:35.56 | jhutchins | buu_: No, not always. It's a pretty rare need. |
| 20:36.54 | buu_ | I have no idea if I have a crossover cable handy, I would assume not |
| 20:37.01 | buu_ | I probably have a crimper around here someplace |
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| 20:37.16 | blasen | Endpoint (PC) <-- crossover --> Endpoint (Switch) <-- normal --> Endpoint1 --> EndpointN |
| 20:38.08 | blasen | usually. |
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| 20:38.34 | misirk85 | i dont have idea how can i solve this problem... |
| 20:38.50 | misirk85 | when i lock screen display is black but on |
| 20:38.59 | buu_ | Won't switches detect crossovers? |
| 20:39.05 | misirk85 | i have gtx 750 ti debian 9 lxde |
| 20:39.33 | bites | why would you need a crossover if you have a switch? |
| 20:39.35 | blasen | to connect HUBs you would use twisted/crossover |
| 20:39.39 | misirk85 | display have bulid speakers signal audio use hdmi wire |
| 20:39.51 | misirk85 | so |
| 20:40.00 | buu_ | bites: I don't think I need a crossover in the first place |
| 20:40.02 | buu_ | But I'm confused |
| 20:40.06 | blasen | the switch/HUB can connect to multiple endpoints ..like in a star hierarchy |
| 20:40.17 | misirk85 | when i lock screen display is on and black speakers working, display dont power off |
| 20:40.18 | buu_ | Using the "device installer" just tells me nw devices found |
| 20:40.21 | buu_ | *no |
| 20:40.21 | misirk85 | :) |
| 20:41.12 | buu_ | It also thinks the cable is unplugged. |
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| 20:41.28 | Peyam | Im trying to change the text of terminal before my commands. it is now " Payam@debian : $" and I want to change it to " COMMAND >> " |
| 20:41.30 | blasen | buu_: what do you connect with that cable? |
| 20:41.30 | buu_ | hm |
| 20:41.48 | buu_ | blasen: This is a very basic question because I'm not sure where to start. I have a sgi/rackable se3016 sas expander with a rj45 port on the front that is supposed to be a http://www.lantronix.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/XPort_UG.pdf serial<->rj45 translator |
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| 20:42.58 | blasen | so you connect that thing with what? |
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| 20:43.06 | buu_ | blasen: a cat5 cable |
| 20:43.31 | blasen | not the cable ... whats on the other side of that se3016 thingy |
| 20:43.41 | blasen | a toaster? |
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| 20:43.55 | buu_ | a laptop |
| 20:43.58 | buu_ | win10 in this case |
| 20:44.03 | buu_ | I was trying a debian box earlier |
| 20:44.11 | buu_ | But the device installer program appears to be windows only |
| 20:44.14 | blasen | well. then u probably need a twisted cable. |
| 20:44.18 | jhutchins | buu_: Since the device is meant to be "on the network", I would expect it to be configured as a DTE device, so you would need a crossover cable or a switch. |
| 20:44.26 | buu_ | I've got a switch |
| 20:44.30 | buu_ | I've got all the switches |
| 20:45.02 | blasen | to connect to switch you need a crossover too. don't panic. just find a crossover cable first. |
| 20:45.30 | jhutchins | blasen: No, a switch is DCE and will connect to a DTE device over a normal cable. |
| 20:45.32 | blasen | from the switch to the multiple endpoints you need the usual ones. they are marked. |
| 20:45.36 | jhutchins | blasen: That how you plug your PC in. |
| 20:46.11 | buu_ | Why on earth would a switch need a crossover |
| 20:46.21 | jhutchins | blasen: PC to PC you need crossover. |
| 20:46.36 | jhutchins | buu_: It wouldn't, unless it wanted to talk to another switch. |
| 20:46.41 | blasen | jhutchins: sure, the switch connects both ways. right? |
| 20:47.16 | jhutchins | blasen: Some will auto-detect, some have a physical switch, some just don't, or have one port that's defined as an "uplink" that does DTE. |
| 20:47.31 | blasen | *sigh |
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| 20:48.07 | blasen | do you agree he should test it with a crossover cable before anything else? |
| 20:48.14 | bites | just shut up about the stupid crossover already. |
| 20:48.19 | buu_ | jhutchins: Tried a switch, port isn't lightning up |
| 20:48.25 | jhutchins | blasen: He doesn't have one, so he can try going through the switch. |
| 20:48.38 | jhutchins | buu_: That sounds like either a bad cable or a defective port on the device. |
| 20:48.47 | blasen | but but |
| 20:48.49 | buu_ | yeah |
| 20:49.05 | blasen | fairy enuff. |
| 20:49.39 | jhutchins | slightly possibly a bad port on the switch, but I expect you've tried more than one. |
| 20:49.40 | phantomcircuit | im attempting to install on a lenovo x1 carbon gen6 whhich has i915 graphics, the grub menu appears, but when i select any option the screen goes black |
| 20:49.41 | buu_ | Cable works on a separate device |
| 20:49.44 | blasen | sets up crossover barbie-bondage playground weeping |
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| 20:50.25 | phantomcircuit | i've tried removing the vga parameter and setting i915.inverted_brightness=1 |
| 20:50.27 | phantomcircuit | but no luck |
| 20:50.30 | buu_ | jhutchins: This is the general instructions https://hydra-www.ietfng.org/nwf/sysadmin/rackable-se3016.html |
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| 20:51.09 | jhutchins | buu_: I did read through the manual. They're a bit hand-wavey about how it gets an IP address in order to get the initial connection. |
| 20:51.22 | buu_ | jhutchins: Well, it does mention dhcp |
| 20:51.24 | buu_ | but yeah |
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| 20:52.17 | buu_ | I figured my first step was to get something talking at the ethernet level before moving to the ip level |
| 20:52.22 | buu_ | or is that tcp |
| 20:53.08 | blasen | it should have a mac address |
| 20:53.24 | jhutchins | buu_: Interesting project. |
| 20:53.33 | blasen | lol |
| 20:53.50 | blasen | what serial port you have on your laptop? |
| 20:53.54 | buu | jhutchins: Well, all I actually want is the silly thing to come back on automatically after a power outage |
| 20:54.34 | buu | There should be a bios setting which obviously I can't access |
| 20:54.47 | buu | I suppose I could test it by pulling the power cord out! |
| 20:54.52 | jhutchins | buu: The SAS? That should be automatic. If you turn it off over the serial connection, it won't be able to receive a "turn on" signal from the serial port. |
| 20:55.24 | buu | jhutchins: I'm not sure what you mean, why would it be turned off over the serial connection? |
| 20:55.47 | jhutchins | You send Ctrl-^ P and it powers off. |
| 20:55.54 | buu | Oh, sure |
| 20:56.00 | buu | But what does that have to do with power outage? |
| 20:56.01 | jhutchins | (From your earlier link.) |
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| 20:56.44 | jhutchins | buu: So it at least has to be up enough to listen to the serial port if you power cycle it, I would expect that that would mean the SAS was up. |
| 20:57.16 | buu | Oh, yes, I think I see what you mean |
| 20:57.43 | buu | jhutchins: The other problem is the stupid ups stays powered off once it runs out of battery and needs a manual rebooting |
| 20:57.52 | jhutchins | buu: As far as the lantronix is concerned, I think you've reached the "Lantronix Support" portion of the manual. |
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| 20:57.59 | buu | So I haven't actually tested this particular part yet... I just thought it would be easy to load up the bios and ask it |
| 20:59.12 | jhutchins | buu: One of the reasons that UPS do that is because they can't supply enough power to the equipment and draw enough power to charge the batteries from zero at the same time. They need some recovery time after the power comes on. |
| 20:59.21 | blasen | buu:"Reset the XPort unit by cycling the unit's power (turning the power off and back on). |
| 20:59.21 | blasen | Immediately upon resetting the device, enter three lowercase x characters (xxx). |
| 20:59.21 | blasen | Note: The easiest way to enter Setup Mode is to hold down the x key at the terminal (or |
| 20:59.21 | blasen | emulation) while resetting the unit. You must do this within three seconds of resetting the |
| 20:59.21 | blasen | XPort module. |
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| 20:59.51 | blasen | i hate pdfs |
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| 21:01.39 | buu | jhutchins: I'm aware, but I don't need that level of paranoia |
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| 21:02.35 | blasen | usually dhcp should assign an IP address on connection... the manual however mentions explicitely a way to connect through a serial port p.40 ff |
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| 21:04.33 | buu | I don't think it has a serial port |
| 21:05.34 | blasen | "<buu> [..] serial<->rj45 translator" |
| 21:06.35 | blasen | whatever. |
| 21:07.07 | buu | the serial port is on the se3016 mobo |
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| 21:07.26 | buu | the lantronix is the translator |
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| 21:13.50 | afidegnum | hello, anyone sucessfully installed ossec for d9 ? |
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| 21:26.12 | Psi-Jack | afidegnum: Yep. |
| 21:26.57 | Psi-Jack | Was rather quite easy. Just install it from their repo, and boom. It worked. |
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| 21:29.13 | afidegnum | Psi-Jack: can you give me some links pls/ |
| 21:29.24 | afidegnum | i came accross wazuh which discouraged me a bit |
| 21:29.40 | Psi-Jack | "pls" is not in the English language. |
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| 21:31.01 | afidegnum | ***please |
| 21:31.31 | Psi-Jack | So, what actual problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 21:32.40 | afidegnum | i just want to install ossec to monitor traffics, intrusion attempts etc.. |
| 21:32.50 | Psi-Jack | OKay. And where are you stuck? |
| 21:33.16 | afidegnum | i can't find the link for d9 installation, only d8 |
| 21:33.28 | jim | they have repos of packages for the various dists |
| 21:33.44 | Psi-Jack | http://www.ossec.net/docs/manual/installation/installation-package.html |
| 21:33.54 | Psi-Jack | Change wheezy to stretch. TaDa! |
| 21:34.04 | afidegnum | ok, |
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| 21:34.48 | jim | they have stretch packages there? |
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| 21:35.36 | Psi-Jack | They do. |
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| 21:36.00 | Psi-Jack | ossec-hids/stable 2.8.3-4stretch amd64 |
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| 21:36.11 | Psi-Jack | ossec-hids-agent/stable 2.8.3-4stretch amd64 |
| 21:36.12 | afidegnum | what's the difference between the hids and agent? |
| 21:36.22 | Psi-Jack | One's the server, one's the agent |
| 21:37.04 | Psi-Jack | The agent's talk to the server, the server handles the core brains of everything. |
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| 21:37.53 | afidegnum | this is what i m getting https://ghostbin.com/paste/g6pca |
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| 21:38.50 | Psi-Jack | That means you didn't follow the documentation. |
| 21:38.58 | jim | did you get the repo key? |
| 21:40.35 | afidegnum | yes, that's what i did first |
| 21:40.41 | Psi-Jack | That paste suggests otherwise. |
| 21:41.26 | afidegnum | apt-key adv --fetch-keys http://ossec.wazuh.com/repos/apt/conf/ossec-key.gpg.key |
| 21:41.27 | Psi-Jack | Heh, Proxmox VE, I see. Enterprise edition no-less. So the system you're trying to do this on is a PVE host. |
| 21:41.42 | afidegnum | echo 'deb http://ossec.wazuh.com/repos/apt/debian stretch main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:42.07 | afidegnum | yes |
| 21:42.09 | Psi-Jack | Bah, I hate that doc for pointing it directly into sources.list and not sources.list.d/ossec.list |
| 21:42.36 | afidegnum | hmm |
| 21:42.43 | noodlepie | adding overlay repositories is easier in Gentoo :P |
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| 21:42.48 | Psi-Jack | But it's otherwise, correct.. |
| 21:43.03 | Psi-Jack | tosses noodlepie a shovel |
| 21:43.15 | jim | I'm getting weird permission denied errors on parts of that repo |
| 21:43.16 | noodlepie | Yeah, I dig it! |
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| 21:45.27 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm, yeah. the fun part is the ossed-hids depends on libmysqlclient18, which isn't in Debian 9. Seems like they're still working on it. |
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| 21:46.21 | afidegnum | Psi-Jack: there is a broken dependency http://dpaste.com/3AMTY16 |
| 21:46.29 | Psi-Jack | Yep, that. |
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| 21:46.55 | afidegnum | what alternative to ossec do we have that can work ? |
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| 21:48.38 | Psi-Jack | http://www.ossec.net/downloads.html |
| 21:48.54 | Psi-Jack | These are the packages made by atomicturtle, including Debian 9. |
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| 21:50.10 | Psi-Jack | http://www.ossec.net/downloads.html#apt-automated-installation-on-ubuntu-and-debian |
| 21:50.13 | Psi-Jack | SPecifically, that. |
| 21:51.33 | afidegnum | yes, getting to it |
| 21:51.44 | afidegnum | does it have a web interface to login to ? |
| 21:51.50 | Psi-Jack | No. |
| 21:51.57 | afidegnum | ?? |
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| 21:52.07 | Psi-Jack | No. |
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| 21:52.29 | afidegnum | how do i access the logs? |
| 21:53.11 | Psi-Jack | In /var/ossec/logs/* |
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| 22:40.30 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 22:41.04 | bharmonic | hiya |
| 22:41.19 | Mike | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.36 | bharmonic | are we in #debian or #debian-overflow? |
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| 22:41.45 | Azrael_- | currently i'm trying to set up bacula but in the example config files there is no Storage-section in the director config file. is this a valid configuration or do i miss something? |
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| 22:42.49 | brutser | hi guys, im using tails, which is debian based right (?) - the livecd is not getting ip from my local dhcp, what/where should i look for? |
| 22:42.53 | bharmonic | bacula? what is wrong with tar and cp? |
| 22:43.16 | Azrael_- | bharmonic: incremental/rolling backups |
| 22:43.22 | Azrael_- | and saving space |
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| 22:44.34 | bharmonic | be carefull with 'incremental' one bad increment and poof |
| 22:45.04 | Azrael_- | i know |
| 22:45.13 | Mike | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.14 | bharmonic | rsync? |
| 22:45.20 | Azrael_- | currently i just want to test it out |
| 22:45.37 | Azrael_- | bharmonic: i already tested all of the basic ones. want to try out bacula now |
| 22:45.38 | bharmonic | Mike: how about another pastbin that can be dnsed |
| 22:46.36 | bharmonic | Azrael_-: more interested int he tools then the data? :) |
| 22:46.46 | Mike | bharmonic, https://pastebin.com/SYGfMSjv |
| 22:47.07 | Mike | bharmonic, what means dnsed? |
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| 22:47.36 | Azrael_- | bharmonic: already had the tools-discussion a lot of times. i know the risks, advantages and disadvantages. now i want to go from theory to praxis |
| 22:48.01 | Azrael_- | praxis = practical tryout |
| 22:48.49 | noodlepie | practically |
| 22:48.53 | bharmonic | Mike if that is it's real name does locate show it ? what about which ? is it in a $PATH |
| 22:48.58 | Azrael_- | k |
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| 22:49.26 | bharmonic | i love tools |
| 22:49.41 | noodlepie | Tools are good to do things with |
| 22:50.23 | bharmonic | tools in scripts (dd tar what does bacula acutally use?) |
| 22:50.38 | Azrael_- | bacula uses its own tools |
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| 22:51.07 | Mike | bharmonic, root@Mike:~# which nvidia-smi |
| 22:51.07 | Mike | root@Mike:~# locate nvidia-smi |
| 22:52.00 | Mike | bharmonic, https://pastebin.com/TZNBt8EP |
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| 22:52.47 | Mike | bharmonic, root@Mike:~# nvidia- |
| 22:52.47 | Mike | nvidia-bug-report.sh nvidia-debugdump nvidia-modprobe nvidia-persistenced nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig |
| 22:53.03 | Mike | no -smi |
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| 22:53.15 | bharmonic | Mike: the mvidia-smi doesn't seem to be installed |
| 22:53.37 | Mike | but it is inside the "tools" |
| 22:53.42 | noodlepie | https://developer.nvidia.com/nvidia-system-management-interface |
| 22:54.13 | noodlepie | bharmonic, "locate nvidia-smi"? |
| 22:54.55 | blaztek | apt install nvidia-smi maybe |
| 22:55.20 | bharmonic | nvidia-smi_340.102-1_amd64.deb |
| 22:55.55 | bharmonic | noodlepie: that works after apt-get install locate :) |
| 22:56.30 | noodlepie | NVIDIA-smi ships with NVIDIA GPU display drivers on Linux, and with 64bit Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7. |
| 22:56.48 | Mike | blaztek, yes that works . strange coz till today that was always installed with cuda-tools |
| 22:57.15 | noodlepie | That doc is old! |
| 22:57.24 | noodlepie | windows 2008 and v7 and all |
| 22:58.49 | Mike | so since it works how to make it "supported" ?https://pastebin.com/rQg9BM5y |
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| 23:00.24 | bharmonic | Mike: can you cuda with just 1 gpu? |
| 23:00.41 | Mike | yes |
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| 23:01.01 | Mike | bharmonic, even on my laptop is a sticker cuda |
| 23:01.14 | bharmonic | what kind of algorithm/code you gonna run? |
| 23:01.32 | Mike | just testing for hashes |
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| 23:02.19 | bharmonic | hash collusions? |
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| 23:04.03 | Mike | is that gonna solve my issue ? :P |
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| 23:04.18 | bharmonic | cudalicious |
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| 23:05.26 | bharmonic | Azrael_-: i'z gots the greatest argument against daz bacula - any backup tool that requires a config file - that can be messed with .. is to be avoided |
| 23:05.59 | Azrael_- | bharmonic: feel free to stick to this. i'll try out bacula :) |
| 23:07.20 | bharmonic | ... not until someone gives you a working config file :) while i tar up the world until that occurs |
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| 23:08.25 | bharmonic | Azrael_-: when you do come back to reality ... using J with tar is pretty slow - but worth the size reduction |
| 23:09.28 | Azrael_- | there are even better tools for size-reduction |
| 23:09.33 | Azrael_- | have a look at rsnapshot |
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| 23:09.43 | Mike | ok thx for help.indeed cudalicious |
| 23:10.03 | bharmonic | what ? you can't get better reduction the xz |
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| 23:10.50 | Azrael_- | you easily can. rsnapshot offers you to keep multiple backups and reduces the size by using hard links for files which havent changed |
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| 23:16.50 | Zathras | bharmonic, bacula can be a steep learning curve, but it is quite powerful |
| 23:17.15 | Zathras | oeps. Azrael_- I mean |
| 23:18.09 | Zathras | tar is not a backup system. All major enterprise backupsystems are complex beasts, but much more powerful |
| 23:18.46 | Azrael_- | Zathras: mind giving me some hints? (unfortunately #bacula isn't very active) |
| 23:19.37 | Zathras | bacula is an enterprise tool so #bacula is not very active at non-office hours |
| 23:19.49 | bharmonic | mmm #tar is a hopping disco - i wonder why bacula has noone to give it love? |
| 23:20.18 | bharmonic | non-office hours? in australia or europea ?? lol |
| 23:20.24 | Zathras | I will join that channel, tell me there what you want to know |
| 23:20.47 | Zathras | euh... weekend? |
| 23:21.22 | bharmonic | enterprise isn't in wikipedia except buzzword section |
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| 23:31.29 | bharmonic | anyone have a question where tar xJf is the correct answer |
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| 23:34.47 | annadane | does anyone have an idea why fvwm refuses to keep my wallpaper? .xinitrc contains "$ ~/.fehbg &" and i use feh --bg-fill /path/to/file and i made .xinitrc executable |
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| 23:39.20 | nbm | hi people, using the firefox-esr that comes with debian, how can i make it cache on ram and not write disk? |
| 23:40.00 | nbm | browser.cache.disk.enable is false, but still caching stuff... |
| 23:40.11 | bharmonic | annadane: make sure the .xinitrc is even run put xterm & in it to see |
| 23:40.53 | bharmonic | nbm what about cache file to a /ramdrive? |
| 23:41.07 | nbm | no idea how to do that |
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| 23:43.11 | nbm | bharmonic: i'll check more about it, thanks |
| 23:43.16 | annadane | bharmonic, no joy, here's what my .xinitrc looks like https://paste.debian.net/1026740/ |
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| 23:44.36 | bharmonic | annadane: are you starting x yourself with startx in a tty? |
| 23:44.57 | annadane | bharmonic, i'm selecting fvwm from the lightdm drop-down menu |
| 23:45.32 | bites | lightdm doesn't invoce .xinitrc |
| 23:46.55 | bharmonic | the .xinitrc is run when x is first started not when changing wm . is there a fwwm startup file ? |
| 23:47.17 | annadane | probably, not one i've ever made myself though |
| 23:47.20 | annadane | i can look into it |
| 23:47.55 | bharmonic | put fwwm in the .xinitrc and then try it |
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| 23:48.32 | annadane | bharmonic, so what i posted above and just "fvwm" by itself on the last line? |
| 23:48.40 | bharmonic | isn't fvwm ugly? fluxbox is better :) |
| 23:48.57 | annadane | well, i'm experimenting, i can also try fluxbox |
| 23:48.59 | bharmonic | annadane: ys |
| 23:49.16 | annadane | it's relatively ugly initially, yes |
| 23:49.53 | annadane | ok brb |
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| 23:50.40 | annadane | bharmonic, still no joy |
| 23:51.24 | annadane | it's possible logging in wasn't the initial "trigger" and it'd work if i do it again |
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| 23:51.30 | annadane | let me just rule that out first, brb... |
| 23:52.00 | bharmonic | i replaced systemd with sysv so in /etc/inittab i changed to init 2 on boot then i can type startx and it will run the .xinitrc? is the .xinitrc in /root/.xinitrc |
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| 23:54.47 | annadane | bharmonic, yeah, i'm getting nothing here |
| 23:54.54 | bites | lightdm.conf has a session-setup-script= option that might do what you want. |
| 23:55.48 | annadane | i have no lightdm.conf, i probably have to create it |
| 23:56.10 | annadane | ~/.config/lightdm.conf, right? |
| 23:56.26 | bites | if you are using lightdm it's there. /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
| 23:56.32 | annadane | ah, ok |
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| 23:59.43 | bharmonic | ann... you can start a second x and not end this one \ |