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| 03:57.19 | pinkos | hi guys whats a decent laptop for running debian |
| 03:57.21 | pinkos | ? |
| 03:57.29 | pinkos | a modern one |
| 03:57.33 | pinkos | that can run dark table pretty well |
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| 03:58.52 | a1f | can't go wrong with a thinkpad |
| 03:59.33 | a1f | i guess system76 is an option now also, but i've never had one |
| 03:59.46 | a1f | that's my 2 cents |
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| 04:04.03 | somiaj | pinkos: Debian runs on a wide varity of laptops, you can usually pick a company/brand you like and find one, just pay attention to the actual hardware. I know dell sells laptops with linux (ubuntu) on it that will also work with debian |
| 04:04.17 | somiaj | I would avoid very new laptops, and optimus hardware |
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| 04:04.21 | pinkos | is ee |
| 04:04.22 | pinkos | i see |
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| 04:11.21 | neverreboot | howdy |
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| 04:16.33 | pinkos | hey. whats the best debian burning software? |
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| 04:17.16 | somiaj | what do you mean by burning? And what is your goal? |
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| 04:18.26 | pinkos | disc burning |
| 04:18.32 | pinkos | i want to create some data discs |
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| 04:18.52 | pinkos | and id liek to not finalize them right away, i.e. have the option of finalizing them later |
| 04:18.58 | somiaj | wodim can burn the disc's, you'll need mkisofs to create an iso image to burn. |
| 04:19.14 | somiaj | there are some graphical front ends that can do this, gnome and kde both have one. I don't know their name. |
| 04:19.30 | pinkos | brasero? |
| 04:19.41 | neverreboot | brasero is pretty good |
| 04:19.44 | neverreboot | I've used it before |
| 04:19.47 | somiaj | that is one, there are others as well. |
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| 04:21.47 | neverreboot | I used k3b too |
| 04:21.50 | neverreboot | that was a nice one |
| 04:21.55 | neverreboot | and I think I used xfburn |
| 04:22.07 | neverreboot | bash burn is nice too if you only have a bash prompt |
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| 04:34.04 | nvz | has anything changed in the last say 5 years how to investigate what locked up the last boot, or do I still jus look for .1.gz logs in /var/log? |
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| 04:34.33 | nvz | well not the boot, but froze up the whole system while running and caused the user to hardboot |
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| 04:35.04 | somiaj | nvz: systemd does things a little differntly. By default journald doens't keep logs between boots, unless you mkdir /var/log/journal |
| 04:35.50 | somiaj | nvz: If you have that directory, you can use journalctl to see all the logs from the last boot. If you never made that dir to make logs persistant across boots, you'll have to hope you can find what you are looking for in the other logs. They are still there, but stuff may not be logging to them as much as in the past. |
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| 04:37.19 | pinkos | i want to find a good laptop for my photography |
| 04:37.28 | pinkos | looking at and working photos |
| 04:37.47 | pinkos | i dont want to pay to use proprietary lightroom |
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| 04:38.32 | somiaj | as mentioned there are lots of latops debian runs on. If you don't mind dell, I know they sell laptops with ubuntu on them that could help avoid checking you get one that is compadabile. |
| 04:39.17 | somiaj | But in general mostly check the video card, network card, wifi card, and sound card to see if it they are supported in linux. There are also a lot of sites out there that give linux support ratings for different laptops once you find one you are intersted in. |
| 04:39.28 | nvz | somiaj: so I can simply mkdir and that'll keep me better logs? |
| 04:39.32 | somiaj | The levono think pads seem to be popular and usually have good support. |
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| 04:39.45 | somiaj | nvz: correct, once that directory exists, journalctl will save its logs between boots. |
| 04:39.47 | nvz | somiaj: this sysem is currently jessie, which has systemd but isnt same as stretch |
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| 04:40.13 | nvz | my father keeps having his machine freeze up every couple weeks |
| 04:40.15 | somiaj | nvz: I'm unsure about jessie, I dno't think the 'auto' option was enabled in jessie. You may have to also change a systemd config file for jessie. |
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| 04:41.58 | somiaj | nvz: check /etc/systemd/journald.conf and look for the Storage= setting. auto is the default setting in stretch that makes persistant logs if that directory exists. |
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| 04:42.35 | somiaj | nvz: you can also set that to persistent to force it, and it appears the jessie does support the auto setting. I'm unsure if jessie defaults to auto or not. |
| 04:43.01 | nvz | somiaj: its there Storage=auto but commented.. everything is commented |
| 04:44.09 | somiaj | then auto should be the default |
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| 04:44.29 | somiaj | you shouldn't need to uncomment that, as that is how it works in stretch. I was just unsure for jessie |
| 04:44.43 | themill | Chec what /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian says |
| 04:44.49 | somiaj | so yea, just create the directory, and you have persistant logs |
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| 04:45.24 | nvz | I uncommented Storage=auto Compress=yes Seal=yes SplitMode=uid SyncIntervalSec=5m RateLimitInterval=30s RateLimitBurst=1000 and did the mkdir |
| 04:46.03 | nvz | do I need to tell systemd I did this? a daemon-reload or something? |
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| 04:47.01 | nvz | this particular instance I seen an OOM related to VirtualBox but thats prob not what typically causes his problems.. he has 4GB ram |
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| 04:47.26 | nvz | and looks like 2G swap |
| 04:47.28 | somiaj | nvz: the settings that were commented out should be the default settings, so that most likely didn't change anything. I'm unsure about if you need to reload journald after changing that file. |
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| 04:48.50 | atiampela | hi guys |
| 04:48.55 | atiampela | I have a question |
| 04:49.07 | somiaj | Just ask. |
| 04:49.31 | nvz | guess I'll read the manpage |
| 04:49.38 | atiampela | How to change folder/file permissions in NTFS file systems? |
| 04:50.13 | atiampela | I use Debian 9 and have NTFS partition to store my data |
| 04:51.03 | somiaj | atiampela: in short you can't. But if you mount an ntfs partition you can use the uid=,gid=,umask=,fmask=,dmask=, options to set the permsisions used for all files/directories. |
| 04:51.20 | atiampela | yeap..I've mounted that drive with ntfs-3g |
| 04:51.22 | nvz | restarted systemd-journald.service |
| 04:51.33 | atiampela | I need to change the file permission to classified samba user account |
| 04:51.57 | somiaj | so you can make the whole filesystem have a set permsions, but you have to change them for the whole mount, you can't control indvidual permsisions on the mount. |
| 04:51.59 | atiampela | so user can go through their data on NTFS drive with their user account |
| 04:52.26 | atiampela | is that possible? |
| 04:52.57 | atiampela | I have 5 user with different user account to access samba, let's said it's a division/department |
| 04:53.00 | somiaj | as I said, you can set the permisions userd for the whole file system at mount time, but not indvidual pieces. |
| 04:53.00 | atiampela | *users |
| 04:53.14 | atiampela | ah..thank you somiaj |
| 04:53.18 | atiampela | :( |
| 04:53.24 | atiampela | and I have an idea |
| 04:53.24 | somiaj | You can't do that with an ntfs file system in linux as far as I know. Change the file system for that. |
| 04:53.45 | atiampela | how if I just set a password protection for NTFS file/folder. is that possible? |
| 04:54.05 | atiampela | if I set it up in Linux, so user which is used Windows can access that file/folder |
| 04:54.23 | somiaj | you really can't take advantage of the advanced ntfs filesystem features form linux. If you want to do stuff like that, use a linux file system. |
| 04:54.35 | atiampela | ah :( |
| 04:54.47 | atiampela | okay. I should make a schedule to migration again haha |
| 04:54.51 | atiampela | thanks somiaj :) |
| 04:54.56 | somiaj | but you can set up fmask,dmask and uid,gid, to give a group of users access to the ntfs files. |
| 04:55.07 | atiampela | yes I did |
| 04:55.16 | atiampela | but it just set 1 user and 1 group only |
| 04:55.18 | somiaj | so you have some control, but not fine grained. |
| 04:55.23 | somiaj | correct, and for the whole file system. |
| 04:55.28 | atiampela | yes |
| 04:56.45 | atiampela | ah |
| 04:56.49 | atiampela | I have an idea |
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| 04:57.16 | atiampela | how if I set a firewall for some IP Address, so that IP address can only access file/folder that I set it up |
| 04:57.21 | atiampela | is that possible? |
| 04:57.41 | atiampela | I mean firewall in my debian |
| 04:57.46 | atiampela | iptables |
| 04:58.01 | somiaj | Yes you can use various tools to put a firewall in debian and restrict which ip's can access what ports/services/etc |
| 04:58.17 | atiampela | got it! maybe it's a good solution |
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| 04:59.39 | somiaj | (note the file wall can restrict what files they can access, but samba can) |
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| 05:00.38 | nvz | when kernel says EMT invoked oom-killer what is EMT? |
| 05:00.40 | atiampela | sorry? you mean firewall can't restrict to access some files/folder but samba is open for first the connection ? |
| 05:00.41 | atiampela | right? |
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| 05:01.05 | atiampela | I don't get it sorry |
| 05:02.22 | somiaj | atiampela: samba can be configured as to what users you give access to what files on your system. This may take configuring what you want each user to access. Read the samba docs |
| 05:02.34 | atiampela | yes I know |
| 05:02.44 | atiampela | but the problem is, data is stored in NTFS file system |
| 05:02.49 | somiaj | so |
| 05:03.00 | atiampela | and per department had a different user account |
| 05:03.28 | atiampela | but ntfs-3g just only mount 1 user and 1 group |
| 05:03.30 | somiaj | okay, configure samba to have read/write access to the whoel NTFS drive, and then configure what each user is allowed to access. Samba will do the reading/writting |
| 05:04.14 | somiaj | now you can't take advantage of samba running as the user that logs in, but samba can also be configured to just access it as the samba user and not as the user whose credentials were used (at least it use to be). I think samba can still do this, but it maynot be the default configuration |
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| 05:05.37 | atiampela | or let the user from Windows go through the samba to access the NTFS drive first (let's said it's on D:\, and restrict their permission with firewall or iptables to access file/folder inside the D:\ Drive. right? |
| 05:06.09 | somiaj | you can't restrict access to files/folders with iptables |
| 05:06.14 | atiampela | ah |
| 05:06.18 | somiaj | iptables is for ports |
| 05:06.33 | atiampela | so there is no way |
| 05:06.35 | atiampela | :( |
| 05:06.37 | somiaj | again read some docs, or figure it out |
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| 05:06.41 | somiaj | or as I said, configure samba correctly |
| 05:07.11 | atiampela | okay. I will look the doc again |
| 05:07.16 | somiaj | samba can act as the middle man so to speak. The samba process can read/write to the NTFS partition as a single user, and it can be configured as to what users it gives access to what pieces. |
| 05:07.16 | atiampela | thank you somiaj |
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| 05:07.41 | somiaj | at least it use to be able to do this, and I expect if configured correctly it still can. |
| 05:07.46 | somiaj | (doesn't use samba) |
| 05:08.12 | atiampela | okay. I will try :) |
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| 05:10.30 | somiaj | nvz: not getting much from google. Seems like it is some kernel seetting, related to virtualbox and multithreading, but not quite sure yet. |
| 05:11.06 | nvz | yeah its what happened when virtualbox caused an OOM |
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| 05:11.57 | nvz | which was the only thing I found so far prior to the freeze but that was at about 2300 local time, and the machine wasnt hardbooted until about 0130 local time and there are logs from smartd and such afterward |
| 05:12.26 | somiaj | nvz: could just mean 'enhanced multi-threading' or 'embedded memeory testing', but not finding any clear idea what it means in that case. |
| 05:12.32 | nvz | I had him try Ctrl+Alt+F1 and Al+Sysrq+K before hardbooting, neither did anything and his mouse wasnt moving |
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| 05:13.23 | nvz | and my remote mosh connecion was lost and it wasn responding to pings |
| 05:13.29 | nvz | so it was out to lunch |
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| 06:08.36 | alaing | good morning, I wonder if someone can help me install nodejs using deb. I have a Dockerfile which used to work but now nodejs dev team have moved the source file I need to update this one line in my Dockerfile |
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| 06:22.27 | somiaj | alaing: debian doesn't offically supporte nodejs, but I hear the upstream packages integrate with debian quite well. Are you using the packages from upstream? If so you should check their changelogs/docs for any changes. |
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| 06:24.16 | alaing | Hi somiaj this the RUN command which has recently stopped working https://pastebin.com/RvKyqrSw |
| 06:25.10 | somiaj | I don't use nodejs so I won't be of much help. I was just checking if you were using the upstream nodejs packages, and also maybe you look for support more speicfic to nodejs and docker. There maybe users here who could help (I'm not one). |
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| 06:25.43 | alaing | the source seems to have been moved into specific version folders |
| 06:25.45 | alaing | https://deb.nodesource.com/node_10.x/ |
| 06:25.50 | alaing | ie ^ |
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| 06:26.21 | alaing | I'm not familiar with deb command |
| 06:26.41 | somiaj | deb is not a command, that is just a source you can add to your sources.list (deb is a configuration option) |
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| 06:27.47 | somiaj | but these are thrid party, and I was trying to point you to a place you can more likely get support for those third party repos/software. Note nodejs is popular, so maybe if you lurk around here someone can help, you just may get better help using upstream support. |
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| 06:28.48 | alaing | thanks somiaj, interestingly if I comment out that line in my DockerFile it does install nodejs but only version 4.x |
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| 06:29.35 | alaing | https://github.com/nodesource/distributions#installation-instructions |
| 06:29.40 | somiaj | seems if you go to the package that hosts those sources, they give you the exact command to type (note it runs a bash script, so you best trust them) and it should set everythig up for you. |
| 06:30.01 | somiaj | yea, I'm there, they tell you exactly what to type to download a script and run it. |
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| 06:31.14 | somiaj | update your instructions, they must have changed things. The instructions you pasted don't match what I see on that site |
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| 06:32.24 | poranek | is any package creating channel? |
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| 06:32.51 | somiaj | poranek: do you want to just learn to created .deb packages, or do you want to create .deb packages for the debian archive? |
| 06:32.51 | alaing_ | hmmm, good point about whether to trust the bash script file |
| 06:33.23 | poranek | somiaj: i create package but have a trouble with this |
| 06:33.33 | somiaj | alaing: I'm just poitning out they have a sript that automates things, since you want to install node.js, you most likely trust them enough already. |
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| 06:33.55 | somiaj | poranek: I may not be able to help, I was asking what your goal is with creating this package. Also have you checked out the new matainers guide? |
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| 06:34.58 | poranek | somiaj: I created package and send it using dput but not have a sponsor and not send any bug report |
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| 06:35.31 | somiaj | poranek: so your goal is to get the package into debian. Anyways you most likely don't have privlages to upload stuff to debian so your request is ignored. |
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| 06:35.47 | somiaj | poranek: have you read the info on mentors.debian.net? You can create an account and upload things thtere. |
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| 06:36.01 | poranek | yes, I read this guide |
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| 06:36.23 | poranek | yes, i create account but have trouble with uploading |
| 06:36.35 | poranek | this is a core of my trouble ;-) |
| 06:36.36 | somiaj | poranek: https://mentors.debian.net/ -- start there, there is instructions about how to create an account, createa a gpg key to sign your package, and to upload it to mentors. |
| 06:36.51 | somiaj | poranek: did you create a gpg key, assoicate it with your account and sign your package? |
| 06:37.08 | somiaj | poranek: did you make sure to include 'mentors' in your dput command. |
| 06:39.23 | poranek | yes, i create a gpg, sign it , i send package.changes using dput and get message: sucessfull but nothing hapened |
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| 06:39.52 | poranek | i not receive any email , no get any information, and my web page with package not appear |
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| 06:40.05 | alaing_ | `. /etc/os-release ; release="${VERSION#* (}" ; release="${release%)}" ; ` if i echo out $VERSION i get this follow: 9 (stretch). how do I get just "stretch from that env var? |
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| 06:40.13 | poranek | this is very very small package, only one file |
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| 06:41.06 | poranek | somiaj: if You need i can send You a binary package or source |
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| 06:41.28 | somiaj | poranek: Please keep conversation in the channel. And anyways, I'm unsure what the issue could be then. I have only used this service once and I got an email fairly quickly after I ran dput saying the package was upoloaded, and I could then go and view it assoicated with my account. |
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| 06:41.49 | poranek | I create bin/source repository on salsa.debian.org |
| 06:42.02 | somiaj | poranek: maybe something small is missing. I don't know, you could ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, as you will get actual DD's there, Im' mostly a hobbist. |
| 06:42.10 | poranek | somiaj: I send only link |
| 06:42.35 | somiaj | poranek: no need to send me the package, you need to get it on the mentors site, and it seems you have followed the instructions, and I don't know enough to debug it further |
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| 06:43.09 | somiaj | poranek: that's okay, still others might have been intersted. No harm done, I just like to let people know I prefer the whole conversation stay in public. |
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| 06:44.40 | somiaj | alaing_: you may find lsb_release a bit more relaiable. Otherwise you'll have to do some shell scripting or other language to extract 9 (stretch) from that. |
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| 06:45.01 | somiaj | alaing_: but lsb_release -c will give you stretch |
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| 06:45.36 | somiaj | (well almost, lsb_release -c | awk '{print $2;}' will) |
| 06:46.27 | poranek | somiaj: ok, i use dput too. When You send package , you package apear in mentors.debian/net/package/<here name package> ? |
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| 06:46.53 | poranek | I send sucessfuly but this package not have web page |
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| 06:47.02 | somiaj | poranek: in the top right, there is a link 'My Packages', I saw the package there. |
| 06:48.27 | somiaj | poranek: if you do not see your package there, my guess is some issue with the signing the package or the account configuration. As I said, I got an email confirmation fairly quickly, and don't know enough details to help you debug this further. |
| 06:48.34 | somiaj | precise: try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 06:49.18 | somiaj | precise: https://mentors.debian.net/packages/my -- if logged in to mentors.debian.net, that should give you your packages. |
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| 07:30.56 | cheapie | Hi! |
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| 08:15.30 | hassoon[work] | "morning |
| 08:15.48 | rant | in some places that is a fact |
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| 08:16.48 | slax0r | http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 08:26.36 | Luneburg | How can I remove all traces of firefox from my system? |
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| 08:28.54 | blaztek | apt remove --purge --autoremove firefox-esr; rm -rf ~/.mozilla |
| 08:29.06 | blaztek | would that work? |
| 08:29.38 | Luneburg | blztek: Thanks! I'm guessing the purge uninstalls the firefox itself, and then the rm -rf deletes the user profile file? |
| 08:30.12 | blaztek | you got it! |
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| 08:31.40 | briner | hi, In some cases, I have a apt or dpkg broken. |
| 08:31.54 | briner | Is there a way to check if they are broken or not. |
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| 08:33.34 | limbo_ | Luneburg: apkg/apt don't do anything in your home folder. |
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| 08:34.23 | limbo_ | Why do you want to get rid of all traces? |
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| 08:34.43 | rant | briner: you try install something and it'll tell you.. alternatively use an interactive package manager like synaptic or aptitude |
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| 08:35.14 | Luneburg | limbo_: ;) |
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| 08:35.58 | briner | rant: I'm managing a lot of servers. And I'd like to have a script to see if apt and dpkg are in a good health. |
| 08:36.20 | skizzy | i messed up my xorg on debian. i tried installing 32bit nvidia drivers which mentioned that i needed 32bit xserver-xorg-core. well this removed all amd64 packages |
| 08:36.23 | limbo_ | Good health? |
| 08:36.54 | skizzy | how can i get my old debian xfce back? i also did sudo apt autoremove trying to go back to amd64 so it removed like everything |
| 08:37.05 | limbo_ | skizzy: you can get a list of all of the packages that got uninstalled from your logs. |
| 08:37.10 | limbo_ | grep is goos |
| 08:37.12 | rant | briner: it would be very bad administration to script around those tools parsing any output.. do you know python? |
| 08:37.12 | limbo_ | *good |
| 08:37.18 | skizzy | where is that log an apt log? |
| 08:37.22 | jelly | briner: apt-get -f install should not report non-zero status; if you -s (--dry-run), it also won't actually do anything |
| 08:37.24 | briner | limbo_: yeah.. sometimes you ask to install something and it tells you that you must first run something like "dpkg -recongigure -a " or a "apt-get install -f" |
| 08:37.46 | rant | jelly: I was going to suggest that but didnt think about the exit codes |
| 08:38.01 | limbo_ | skizzy: in /var/log/ apt,aptitude,dpkg etc.. |
| 08:38.07 | jelly | dpkg --configure -a is also nice but not does handle apt |
| 08:38.07 | skizzy | now i have no internet on my box. they changed it from ifconfig up or whatever it was |
| 08:38.07 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jelly |
| 08:38.35 | skizzy | limbo_, ok will look in there but will need connectivity to download the packages |
| 08:38.36 | rant | definaely did dpkg, definately did |
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| 08:39.48 | limbo_ | skizzy: or apt-offline, or an install CD. |
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| 08:40.06 | briner | so what could I do ? |
| 08:40.07 | skizzy | limbo_, but is there a command to bring up eth0 now? |
| 08:40.14 | skizzy | dhclient worked in recovery mode |
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| 08:41.25 | limbo_ | briner: Are you looking for broken packages specifically, or any problems whatsoever? |
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| 08:41.58 | limbo_ | IME, just running apt-get update periodically reports some problems. |
| 08:42.39 | briner | limbo_: I'm trying to find a way to ensure that dpkg and apt-get are healthy. That way, I'll be sure that unattende-upgrades will work. |
| 08:43.35 | limbo_ | When's the last time it broke, and could you have fixed it with a script you wrote ahead of time? |
| 08:43.47 | skizzy | on debian stretch what is the command to bring the default ethernet up? it now has this ip command |
| 08:44.10 | limbo_ | briner: also, get the server to send you emails meant for root. |
| 08:44.25 | jelly | skizzy: something like ifup eth0 |
| 08:44.28 | limbo_ | also, public service amnnouncement: install etckeeper |
| 08:44.38 | rant | limbo_: kudos on that rationale ;) |
| 08:44.51 | skizzy | jelly, not found |
| 08:44.52 | jelly | skizzy: assuming "eth0" is configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:44.59 | limbo_ | skizzy: when you fix your system, install etckeeper It'd get your ass right out of this situation. |
| 08:45.03 | jelly | skizzy: what is not found? |
| 08:45.10 | skizzy | ifup is not found |
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| 08:45.29 | jelly | skizzy: make sure /sbin is in root's PATH |
| 08:46.04 | skizzy | wow my system is totally screwed up |
| 08:46.22 | skizzy | grr. I just want my home directory and a fresh stretch i guess |
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| 08:46.37 | briner | "apt-get install -f" will try to fix-broken packages. What about an option like: "show-me-if-broken" |
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| 08:46.56 | skizzy | i went to /sbin and ran dhclient, got my network up |
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| 08:47.57 | rant | briner: or like "if you -s (--dry-run), it also won't actually do anything" |
| 08:48.35 | briner | what about: dpkg-query -W -f='${db:Status-Abbrev} ${binary:Package}\n' | grep -E ^.[^nci] |
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| 08:50.37 | jelly | briner: what about adding -s (--dry-run)? |
| 08:51.43 | rant | jelly: thats illegal in a lot of places |
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| 08:52.00 | jelly | !moo |
| 08:52.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 08:52.37 | Luneburg | o_o |
| 08:53.03 | rant | I was gonna say beating a dead horse, but cow works too.. |
| 08:53.57 | briner | jelly: seems good too as I have a "1 not fully installed or removed." |
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| 08:57.13 | han-solo | how dare thee speak of cow like that.... |
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| 08:57.55 | han-solo | kidding :} |
| 08:58.41 | rant | thinks he hears the faint distant sound of one hand clapping |
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| 08:59.23 | skizzy | is there a way to just reinstall debian over my old one and keep my home directory? |
| 08:59.47 | skizzy | I copy it but all i have are windows partitions available on usb drives |
| 09:00.01 | rant | skizzy: is your homedir on a seperae partition? |
| 09:00.16 | skizzy | no, good idea though for next time |
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| 09:01.14 | limbo_ | skizzy: user creation shouldn't overwrite your home folder. |
| 09:01.29 | rant | skizzy: well if you have a media large enough to hold it, backup with tar or something to one of those, alternatively if you have enough freespace for a root partition say 8-10gb or more, boot a live iso, shrink your partition, make a new one, install to that then convert the old rootfs to a /home |
| 09:01.41 | limbo_ | If you're concerned, don't format the drive, and rename the folder. |
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| 09:02.21 | rant | installing without formatting is a bad idea.. you could wind up with cruft among other things |
| 09:02.52 | limbo_ | You can delete all of the other folders yourself beforehand. Probably should have mentioned that. |
| 09:03.14 | rant | yeah well that'd be the idea with converting the rootfs to a /home |
| 09:03.31 | skizzy | thatś a few ideas. digesting |
| 09:03.49 | skizzy | on my raspberry pi and it is putting in strange keystrokes |
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| 09:04.34 | rant | you can after shrinking the partition and making a new one you can just install normally to the new partition and deal with modifying the old rootfs and fstab and such later or do it first doesnt really matter |
| 09:04.53 | skizzy | Iḿ trying to remember how does the install handle the windows partition i already have |
| 09:05.06 | skizzy | I think it just found it and even made a grub menu entry for it |
| 09:05.24 | rant | doing it after will give you time to save any files outside /home you may want but doing it first will give you more free space to play with |
| 09:05.38 | skizzy | Iĺl try the partition resizing |
| 09:05.40 | limbo_ | Anyone know how to disable a specific keyboard key? |
| 09:06.08 | rant | hands limbo_ a crude flat instrument |
| 09:06.17 | darxmurf | remove the key from the keyboard |
| 09:06.19 | darxmurf | damn |
| 09:06.20 | darxmurf | :D |
| 09:06.22 | rant | heh |
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| 09:07.09 | rant | you're lucky you even got a response.. I been asking input related questions for a week now on all sorts of channels.. nothing but crickets |
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| 09:07.44 | rant | the input stuff in linux is more terrifying that the bug blatter beast of trall, a chupacabre, or any of that |
| 09:08.59 | rant | limbo_: what sort of key and what context do you want it disabled? |
| 09:09.16 | rant | cause simply making it a binding in something and do nothing comes to mind :P |
| 09:09.36 | rant | could do this in his wm easily |
| 09:10.33 | skizzy | maybe iĺl try learning instead of reinstalling. i have all the packages removed. i added most of the x stuff back but it[s just getting a blank screen |
| 09:10.42 | skizzy | it removed my drivers and everything so i guess thatś why |
| 09:11.19 | skizzy | so basically i need to get x running from scratch |
| 09:11.45 | skizzy | and figure out why things like sbin are not in my path when i ctrl alt f1 to another terminal |
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| 09:12.29 | limbo_ | rant: It's the ; key on a hp netbook. The OS reacts like it's being held down, most of the time. |
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| 09:13.20 | limbo_ | I'm using it as a headless server. |
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| 09:13.43 | nekoseam | :) |
| 09:13.44 | rant | yeah opening sawfish-ui and setting a binding for 'a' to nothing in global context effectively disables that key |
| 09:13.45 | limbo_ | Was a massive pain in the ass to install the OS, |
| 09:13.58 | rant | but if the key is reapeating.. |
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| 09:14.04 | rant | that could still cause issues I suppose |
| 09:14.20 | at0m | limbo_: xmodmap might be able to remap the annoying key to something out of used range |
| 09:14.42 | rant | limbo_: my next go a my issue is to try udev.. apparently it can map keys too |
| 09:14.44 | at0m | limbo_: xmodmap is part of x11-xserver-utils, i think |
| 09:14.51 | limbo_ | X isn't installed. |
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| 09:14.56 | limbo_ | It's a server |
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| 09:15.26 | at0m | ssh to it and don't do local keyboard |
| 09:15.33 | rant | https://github.com/hakimel/reveal.js/wiki/Linux-udev-keys-binding https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/197729/udev-keyboard-remapping-with-hwdb-for-secondary-keyboards |
| 09:15.52 | rant | two sites outlining udev mapping |
| 09:16.10 | rant | I havent tried this yet.. burnt out on xkb and evdev |
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| 09:16.25 | Sepultura | I have a question: If you include MIT or BSD Licensed Libraries in your C++ Projects, do you put any Thanks to the creators anyway? |
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| 09:17.08 | limbo_ | Sepultura: The source files need to retain their copyright notice, and you need to show that your used their code. |
| 09:17.39 | Sepultura | yes but in the Binaries? |
| 09:17.50 | Sepultura | most people do not use the source they download the binaries |
| 09:18.05 | limbo_ | yes. |
| 09:18.26 | limbo_ | Sepultura: there is no requirement to thank them though. Just to say who they were, and what the license was. |
| 09:18.29 | Sepultura | In case of MIT you could even make it closed Source |
| 09:19.03 | Sepultura | but my Project is OSS too |
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| 09:19.18 | limbo_ | attribution is required. |
| 09:19.24 | nekoseam | wew, 2 AM. probably should get to bed |
| 09:19.30 | limbo_ | rant: thanks. I'll try that. |
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| 09:22.58 | rant | limbo_: let me know how it goes.. I plan to go at it myself in near future |
| 09:23.20 | limbo_ | do I have to remap all of the keys, or will all of the other ones just work? |
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| 09:24.22 | rant | idk.. heh.. the linux input layers are like some kinda m c escher creation.. |
| 09:25.59 | rant | udev, input, evdev, xinput, xkb, xmodmap, they all just become an incomprehensible n-th dimensional space collapsing in on itself that makes it a miracle or merely a very convincing illusion that it works at all |
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| 09:27.11 | rant | there is probably some small alien that is merely a figment of jelly's imagination actually making us all think I'm typing right now |
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| 09:27.51 | hauntedd | lol rant |
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| 09:29.21 | rant | sadly I tell no lies :P |
| 09:29.40 | nekoseam | Hey, mind if I take a screenshot of IRC open with your names in it? I can blurr yours out if you wish |
| 09:29.51 | limbo_ | Hi Mom! |
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| 09:30.10 | rant | there are probly developers who wrote some of this stuff just as surprised as Trump is over winning the election, that it works |
| 09:30.14 | limbo_ | rant: it worked. |
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| 09:30.38 | rant | limbo_: cool. guess I know where to focus my efforts.. thought udev would be the safe bet.. its never done me wrong |
| 09:30.58 | limbo_ | still shows up as pressed in evtest, but does nothing. |
| 09:31.17 | rant | good to know |
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| 09:31.41 | rant | nekoseam: its all being logged and parsed anyhow |
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| 09:31.57 | nekoseam | I suppose :) |
| 09:32.04 | rant | I don't, I know |
| 09:32.18 | limbo_ | it may be an insane clusterfuck, but the things you can do with data on linux is something I miss on other OSs. |
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| 09:32.24 | rant | Piggy is watching you! :P |
| 09:32.56 | limbo_ | if anyone in here doesn't know what xsel and/or xclip are, you're missing out. |
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| 09:33.13 | rant | limbo_: other OSes are just another way the man keeps you down.. fight the oppression! |
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| 09:34.34 | Indentist | hello, I was just getting notices from python IDE tools like "eric6" and "spyder" that their newer versions were available. is it possible to request the upgrades of these packages in the repos? |
| 09:35.24 | rant | Indentist: its possible to request whatever you want.. just don't hold your breath |
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| 09:35.48 | rant | ,v spyder |
| 09:35.49 | judd | Package: spyder on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1.10-2; wheezy-backports: 2.2.5+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.3.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 3.1.3+dfsg1-3; buster: 3.2.6+dfsg1-2; sid: 3.2.6+dfsg1-2 |
| 09:36.03 | rant | ,v eric6 |
| 09:36.04 | judd | No package named 'eric6' was found in amd64. |
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| 09:36.46 | jelly | Indentist: newer versions of software in general do not happen within a Debian release. |
| 09:37.28 | Indentist | jelly, that means it waits until the next debian, like 10? |
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| 09:38.17 | rant | unless its made available as a backport.. and doing your own backports is usually pretty simple with the caveat of having to maintain your own updates |
| 09:39.15 | Indentist | rant, how do I maintain my own updates? |
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| 09:39.41 | Indentist | like, when a new version comes, replace the former version with it? |
| 09:39.41 | rant | Indentist: you keep rebuilding he package and monitoring any security issues or bug fixes |
| 09:40.07 | rant | like with spyder 3.1.3 is in Stretch, but 3,2,6 is in sid.. |
| 09:40.10 | Indentist | rant, it is not my own package. how can I monitor it at that level? |
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| 09:40.41 | rant | its not real straightforward but if you're backporting from sid you can just monitor the changelogs or bug reports for that |
| 09:40.46 | rant | !ssb |
| 09:40.47 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 09:41.45 | Sepultura | https://www.linux.com/news/open-source-project-adds-no-military-use-clause-gpl <-- This No Military Clause should be included in every OSS :) |
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| 09:57.14 | limbo_ | No, it shouldn't. |
| 09:57.21 | limbo_ | well, it can't. |
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| 10:00.45 | QQG3mb3l | . |
| 10:00.48 | QQG3mb3l | test on |
| 10:01.17 | QQG3mb3l | . |
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| 10:02.22 | QQG3mb3l | hooh |
| 10:03.11 | Sepultura | is codeplex.org malicious? |
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| 10:25.05 | Indentist | rant, thank you for the information |
| 10:25.07 | Luneburg | when I do pptp SERVERNAME, I get The remote system is required to authenticate itself but could not find any suitable secret |
| 10:25.28 | Luneburg | Even though I added the secret? |
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| 10:36.23 | michael2 | hi all. does anyone know how to specify the component (main/non-free/contrib) in an aptitude search? e.g. aptitude search '?installed(?section(main))' ? |
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| 10:37.29 | Luneburg | In this guide, what does it mean by $DOMAIN? http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml |
| 10:37.36 | Luneburg | Is it just the server IP? |
| 10:37.42 | RoyK | Luneburg: I don't think I've used pptp for at least a decade - the protocol is full of bugs, and afaik little has happened since rfc2637 was released in 1999 - the rfc isn't even in the standards track |
| 10:39.04 | Luneburg | RoyK: I understand, but I'm in a situation where PPTP is the best option |
| 10:39.11 | RoyK | ok |
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| 10:43.35 | Luneburg | RoyK: Slightly off topic, but when you said "for at least a decade," I immediately thought of 1995, not 2005 |
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| 10:43.48 | RoyK | Luneburg: hehe |
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| 10:45.38 | michael2 | anyone know why: aptitude search '?section(main)' returns nothing? I thought it should print all packages from main? |
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| 10:53.36 | bites | michael2: yeah, weird. works for contrib and non-free but not for main. |
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| 10:57.01 | bites | michael2: seems that the section for packages in main split. git for example is in section vcs, exim4 is in section mail |
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| 10:57.55 | michael2 | bites: what command did you run to get those names? |
| 10:58.21 | kamui_ | hi guy |
| 10:58.22 | bites | just apt-cache show git |
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| 11:00.02 | michael2 | bites: thats a different section - not related to main/non-free... - apt overloads the names.. |
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| 11:00.53 | bites | that's what ?section in aptitude looks at. |
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| 11:02.45 | michael2 | bites: seems you're right |
| 11:02.48 | bites | aptitude looks at the section in the control file of the package. |
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| 11:04.40 | jolt | Luneburg: No idea ,but I guess some usernames are specificed like in windows domains: domain\user |
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| 11:05.06 | jolt | Luneburg: And if you don't have it, then just ignore it |
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| 11:32.34 | Luneburg | When I go to my network-manager in a virtual machine, and then go into the VPN -> PPTP, all the options are greyed out |
| 11:32.37 | Luneburg | Anyone know why? |
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| 11:33.44 | kamui_ | mmm sorry |
| 11:33.50 | kamui_ | i don't know |
| 11:33.53 | kamui_ | :( |
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| 11:34.30 | kamui_ | and in truth, i don't have vpn :) |
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| 11:53.00 | deface | hi all |
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| 11:53.03 | deface | please help |
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| 11:53.41 | deface | i am looking pkg for reed RAM addresses? |
| 11:53.46 | deface | any ideas? |
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| 11:57.49 | jelly | deface: userspace is not supposed to read specific physical RAM addresses. If you have memory-mapped devices, the cleanest approach is to write a (kernel module) device driver |
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| 12:10.58 | user03 | hello, i get an error on a fresh installation: lxc-create --name vm1 --logfile $HOME/lxc_vm1.log --logpriority DEBUG -t download Setting up the GPG keyring ERROR: Unable to fetch GPG key from keyserver. lxc-create: lxccontainer.c: create_run_template: 1297 container creation template for vm1 failed |
| 12:11.07 | user03 | can someone help me? |
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| 12:18.32 | Tarhalindur | Anyone here? |
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| 12:19.00 | Tarhalindur | I need a bit of help. |
| 12:20.02 | Javabean | there are people here, whether or not we can help depends on you question. others who aren't "here" right now but might be better able to help will see your question and answer when they can |
| 12:21.11 | Tarhalindur | So I'm trying to install openssh-server, but when I try it fails. |
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| 12:21.39 | Tarhalindur | I tried with both apt-get and apper. |
| 12:21.52 | Tarhalindur | Firefox works just fine. |
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| 12:22.48 | user03 | Tarhalindur, what is the error message? |
| 12:23.04 | Tarhalindur | One moment... |
| 12:24.20 | Tarhalindur | Job for ssh.service failed because the control process exited with error code. |
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| 12:25.44 | Tarhalindur | Actually, looks like it's working now. |
| 12:25.52 | Tarhalindur | Hold on one moment, I'm going to try and ssh myself. |
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| 12:28.42 | Tarhalindur | Alright, next question. How do you specify port with the ssh command? |
| 12:30.24 | Johann | what port are you talking about? If it's only the listening port of the ssh server, it's simply -p port |
| 12:31.02 | Johann | and if you just installed ssh it's listening on port 22 |
| 12:31.02 | Tarhalindur | Sure, I'll try that asap |
| 12:31.07 | Johann | so you don't have to specify port |
| 12:31.15 | Tarhalindur | I actually changed it to port 20 for security reasons |
| 12:31.24 | Tarhalindur | So it would go like: |
| 12:31.28 | Tarhalindur | ssh -p 20 |
| 12:31.29 | Tarhalindur | ? |
| 12:31.32 | Johann | yeah |
| 12:31.36 | Johann | but if you want to know if it's running |
| 12:31.50 | Tarhalindur | Yes |
| 12:31.53 | Johann | you'd better look at the list of processes with ps or at the list of open ports with netstat |
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| 12:33.40 | Johann | something like netstat -ltn |
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| 12:35.47 | luna | Anyone here is good at dpkg i downloaded MariaDB 10.3.7 but i only wanna install the amd64 deb files but in the directory it has all archs is there any way to specify in dpkg to just install some files? |
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| 12:37.57 | Tom_- | luna, try installing dpkg -i *amd64.deb |
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| 12:38.09 | Tom_- | or otherwise using shell wildcards |
| 12:38.23 | luna | Tom_-: worked thanks :) |
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| 13:10.07 | ska | Is there a best/standard way to install Firefox quantum on Stretch? |
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| 13:11.30 | han-solo | apt-cache search <whatever> |
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| 13:12.52 | themill | ska: there are no packages at this stage; they are likely to come in the next couple of months |
| 13:13.32 | ska | themill: So we may see Quantum packages for Stretch stable soon? |
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| 13:22.29 | rmrfchik | what is sources.list line for squeeze? |
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| 13:22.44 | rmrfchik | is fixing really old and broken debian |
| 13:23.24 | themill | !squeeze sources.list |
| 13:23.24 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:23.39 | themill | also «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main» |
| 13:24.46 | rmrfchik | ah, thanks! |
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| 13:25.30 | hollusion | how do you install dropbox on debian server? |
| 13:25.32 | hollusion | i couldnt find a package repo |
| 13:25.48 | hollusion | "nemo-dropbox : Depends: dropbox but it is not installable" |
| 13:27.33 | cr1mson_king | that is on non-free repository, I think |
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| 13:29.46 | cr1mson_king | actually, that package cannot be found |
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| 13:52.39 | bitSt0rm | Do anyone have experience with installing cursor theme for X11? |
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| 13:59.35 | zophyx | uses the Chelsey Clinton for President Debian distro |
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| 14:03.24 | Stanley678 | what virtual machine software works best with debian strech ?\ |
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| 14:04.25 | somiaj | define best? Also do you want to have windows as a vm or not? I personally like qemu-kvm, and I use libvirt/virtmanager to manage the vms |
| 14:05.24 | somiaj | You can use virtualbox, it is in stretch-backports, and requires you to build a module for it. There is also xen, lxc and others avaiable in stretch. |
| 14:07.25 | Stanley678 | somiaj: thx |
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| 14:14.23 | areyouloco | hi I want to build debian package that contains no executive files just some artwork that needs to go to /usr/share/.../... can someone point me to some tutorial how to build package from scratch. I think mostly about debian specific files like debian/control etc. |
| 14:14.40 | greycat | !nmg |
| 14:14.40 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 14:15.05 | han-solo | building a .deb is so much different that .rpm # :} |
| 14:15.38 | areyouloco | han-solo:yes, I want to build an .deb package |
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| 14:16.14 | han-solo | areyouloco: i was just saying generally, not to you |
| 14:16.16 | han-solo | :} |
| 14:16.23 | han-solo | sorry |
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| 14:17.41 | areyouloco | han-solo: same for you then. generally speaking:D |
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| 14:18.15 | han-solo | Yes, i', just reading it as well |
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| 14:21.16 | bites | areyouloco: if you want to learn about debian packaging and do it the right way, read the nmg. if you just want to build a package an be done with it, write a Makefile and create the package with checkinstall. |
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| 14:26.38 | bites | areyouloco: this is the makefile i use for most of my stuff. http://paste.debian.net/plain/1027129 adjust as needed. |
| 14:27.22 | areyouloco | nmg stands for New Mainteiner Guide. ok will look into it thanks bites |
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| 14:28.02 | bites | yeah, what greycat linked earlier. |
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| 14:31.08 | areyouloco | ok so it's time for point 1. Getting started The Right Way... getting started the right way takes time and shit load of reading... fine by me. I go into lecture. Thx & bye |
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| 14:36.50 | devrikx | Hello, just did my daily sudo apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade and had an issue with being stuck at UTMP runtime level changes... did a search, found it was potentially a video driver issue, so did a reinstall of nvidia driver...now the system boots to login, but no keyboard/mouse... the cursor shows up but mouse wont move, keybaord wont respond at all - in maintenence mode everything works, but nothing in gui. any ideas on how |
| 14:36.50 | devrikx | to fix? Buster, 4.16.0-1-amd-64 |
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| 14:44.42 | bitSt0rm | devrikx, I'm no expert at this - but have had similar issues previously. I would start out by checking if any .X11 config files got changed. Possibly you could list the files and check the time they were last modified. |
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| 14:45.35 | bitSt0rm | The X files are located in /etc/ and|or /etc/X11/ I think |
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| 15:12.35 | jak2000 | !ms dpkg source |
| 15:12.41 | jak2000 | !dpkg source |
| 15:12.41 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
| 15:13.23 | jelly | jak2000: you can /msg dpkg stuff |
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| 15:25.40 | de-facto | Hi, I would like to install a kiosk GUI where a uses just can interact with one website: i thought minimal debian stretch, Xorg, openbox and chromium in kiosk mode. Any suggestions how to get a minimal attack surface and completely prevent users to close the browser? |
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| 15:26.17 | greycat | get rid of openbox (or any other WM) |
| 15:26.36 | greycat | and run the browser in an infinite loop that restarts it if it happens to exit for any reason |
| 15:26.37 | de-facto | can i run chromium directly in Xorg root window? |
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| 15:26.46 | greycat | Yes, just like any other program. |
| 15:27.08 | greycat | I mean, it won't technically be "in" the root window. It'll be a separate window. |
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| 15:27.48 | de-facto | do all the GUI elements (like scrollbars and resolution) work in chromium if i dont have a WM in between? |
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| 15:27.59 | greycat | TIAS |
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| 15:28.23 | de-facto | huh? |
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| 15:28.42 | greycat | !TIAS |
| 15:28.42 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 15:29.05 | r3 | heh |
| 15:29.16 | de-facto | ah ok |
| 15:30.08 | de-facto | so firstly i just install Xorg and chromium with minimal deps and play around then i guess |
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| 15:30.37 | greycat | You could play around on an existing Debian installation. Just write a .xsession file that doesn't run a WM. |
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| 15:31.03 | de-facto | id have to install it first anyhow |
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| 15:32.39 | greycat | I'm not sure how to force chromium to run at exactly full-screen size with its upper left corner at (0,0) so that may take some chromium-specific options or configuration. |
| 15:33.17 | greycat | The .xsession part is really simple, though: while true; do chromium --whatever --options; done |
| 15:33.23 | drzacek | Hi. Where does i965_dri.so come from? And how can I get debug version of it? |
| 15:33.56 | de-facto | ok thanks i will try that once i have a minimal debian on the hdd |
| 15:35.53 | de-facto | the only option to close chromium in kiosk mode was Alt+F4 before, but i guess without WM even that (hopefully) will be disabled |
| 15:36.24 | de-facto | but makes sense to run it in a loop anyhow eg. when it crashes or such |
| 15:37.55 | greycat | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5637530/disable-shortcuts-in-google-chrome may be useful reading |
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| 15:40.45 | de-facto | thanks |
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| 15:42.39 | jelly | drzacek: built from mesa sources. See /msg dpkg dbgsym |
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| 15:44.10 | drzacek | ah thanks |
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| 15:44.27 | jelly | drzacek: dpkg -S i965_dri.so | awk -F': ' '{print $1}' | xargs dpkg -s |
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| 15:45.27 | jelly | OS-38463: no. Bad user! |
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| 15:50.54 | de-facto | hmm can i just "dd" https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso to an usb stick? Gparted complains after that about gpt fragments without valid fake msdos partition table |
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| 15:52.09 | de-facto | is there an official method for putting debian on usb sticks? |
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| 15:53.01 | bites | cp the iso to the block device is what the installation guide suggests. |
| 15:53.45 | bites | or use dd if that makes you happy. |
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| 15:56.50 | DammitJim | what is the software package i need to install on my debian laptop to do: ssh-add |
| 15:56.59 | greycat | ,file bin/ssh-add |
| 15:56.59 | DammitJim | and enter the passphrase for my key? |
| 15:57.03 | judd | Search for bin/ssh-add in stretch/amd64: openssh-client: usr/bin/ssh-add |
| 15:57.08 | DammitJim | I have a server that says there is no |
| 15:57.12 | greycat | You need a running ssh-agent, of course. |
| 15:57.37 | DammitJim | greycat, is that a service? |
| 15:57.43 | DammitJim | what package installs ssh-agent? |
| 15:57.49 | greycat | man ssh-agent, unless you're using the GNOME one |
| 15:57.58 | DammitJim | no, no gnome |
| 15:58.04 | DammitJim | oh ok, I can see I have ssh-agent running |
| 15:58.15 | DammitJim | however, ssh-add says: Could not open a connection to your authenticdation agent |
| 15:58.22 | DammitJim | maybe I need to configure it and I don't remember |
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| 15:59.34 | RebelCoder | Guys, I have this arm64 debian image but it is missing these two things: update-rc.d and systemctl. I need them to add few of my .sh scripts to run-at-boot. Is there a way to get these services on or is there any other way to make few of my scripts to run on startup ? |
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| 16:05.08 | Rembo | hello everyone, if i boot on single mode it will appear on syslog log file? |
| 16:05.18 | de-facto | why is firmware-realtek not included in the netinstall cd? how am i supposed to install vial network without network firmware? |
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| 16:06.15 | DammitJim | what does eval `ssh-agent` do? |
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| 16:06.43 | Juesto | hello |
| 16:06.47 | FinalX | DammitJim: ssh-agent spits out commands you'd execute to set environment variables to the agent |
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| 16:06.58 | Juesto | why would executables be stripped from initramfs? |
| 16:07.00 | FinalX | DammitJim: with eval, it executes it for you |
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| 16:07.32 | Rembo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.31 | Juesto | lsinitramfs -l /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64 - https://ptpb.pw/ovWk |
| 16:08.47 | petn-randall | Rembo: That appears to be a regualr shutdown. |
| 16:08.58 | bites | de-facto: because the official debian installer only includes free software. |
| 16:09.05 | bites | !firmware images |
| 16:09.05 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 16:09.35 | Juesto | ?? |
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| 16:10.12 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
| 16:10.22 | petn-randall | Juesto: What problem are you trying to solve? Your question does not make much sense without context. |
| 16:10.34 | ychaouche | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.43 | ychaouche | postfix sockets |
| 16:10.54 | Juesto | petn-randall: stuff like fsck are missing |
| 16:10.59 | Juesto | from the initrd |
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| 16:11.09 | petn-randall | Juesto: How are you creating the initramfs? |
| 16:11.10 | jelly | ychaouche: why do you ask? |
| 16:11.24 | Juesto | isn't it a default? |
| 16:11.32 | ychaouche | I'm trying to have opendkim sockets in there but don't know how for the moment |
| 16:11.43 | Juesto | petn-randall: update-initramfs -u -k all i guess |
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| 16:12.20 | DammitJim | oh |
| 16:12.25 | DammitJim | thanks FinalX |
| 16:12.33 | ychaouche | jelly: dovecot can create sockets in there, but it gives you the configuration tools to use postfix user and postfix group to create sockets. |
| 16:12.47 | petn-randall | Juesto: Do you have e2fsprogs installed? |
| 16:13.35 | Juesto | petn-randall: it's a ext system, fsck exists in the installed system |
| 16:13.43 | jelly | ychaouche: ah. |
| 16:13.53 | ychaouche | it would give a sense of uniformity if I could have all my postfix talking sockets in the same directory. |
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| 16:14.09 | petn-randall | Juesto: So that's a yes? |
| 16:14.14 | jelly | mine talk to other services via tcp |
| 16:14.39 | ychaouche | maybe you have them on different servers ? |
| 16:14.43 | petn-randall | Juesto: fsck is shipped in util-linux, fsck.ext{2,3,4} is shipped in e2fsprogs. |
| 16:14.45 | Juesto | yes petn-randall ; the problem here is that's not being included in initramfs |
| 16:14.51 | jelly | ychaouche: only some :-) |
| 16:15.05 | ychaouche | Ok. |
| 16:15.18 | ychaouche | I guess this will be a question for the opendkim mailing list then |
| 16:15.36 | de-facto | are there any proper iso's with firmware-realtek included? netinstall just wont work without the firmware, which wont load from usb sticks :( |
| 16:15.46 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 16:15.46 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 16:16.49 | de-facto | how can i fix one of the official images to be able to have network access during installation? |
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| 16:17.43 | Juesto | what then |
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| 16:19.42 | bites | de-facto: as i said before, official images don't have non-free software on them and never will. just use the firmware images if you need to. |
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| 16:20.10 | RoyK | just download the deb files and install them |
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| 16:20.14 | RoyK | should work |
| 16:20.25 | RoyK | via a pendrive or something |
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| 16:21.43 | Juesto | I'm having issues, missing utilities in initramfs |
| 16:22.15 | Juesto | keymap, fsck, kmod, resume are empty hooks/nothing added |
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| 16:24.48 | de-facto | bites, which firmware images? where can i find those iso's? |
| 16:25.06 | bites | !firmware images |
| 16:25.06 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 16:25.21 | bites | de-facto: ^ |
| 16:25.56 | de-facto | thanks a lot :) |
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| 16:29.59 | ychaouche | jelly: fortunately, opendkim has a UserID configruation option and I can run opendkim as the postfix user. |
| 16:30.08 | ychaouche | jelly: inspired by : https://petermolnar.net/howto-spf-dkim-dmarc-postfix/ |
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| 16:36.37 | petn-randall | Juesto: You need both packages installed. Also, what is the output of `update-initramfs -k all`? |
| 16:37.28 | Juesto | petn-randall: nothing interesting only missing firmware modules |
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| 16:48.56 | Juesto | petn-randall: those mentioned packages are indeed installed |
| 16:49.25 | Juesto | but nothing is added during the respective hook calls during the generation |
| 16:51.05 | petn-randall | Juesto: No idea then |
| 16:51.23 | Juesto | someone else? |
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| 16:53.35 | jhutchins | Juesto: What symptoms are you seeing? |
| 16:53.59 | Juesto | jhutchins: see the paste of the initramfs |
| 16:54.47 | Juesto | initrd can't check the root and will refuse to mount if it's ever damaged |
| 16:55.07 | Juesto | or any incoherences |
| 16:55.15 | greycat | wooledg:~$ lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64 | grep fsck |
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| 16:55.19 | greycat | I get three lines of output |
| 16:55.24 | jhutchins | Juesto: That's just a list of files. I asked what symptoms were you addressing? What's happening that you think should not? |
| 16:56.24 | Juesto | jhutchins: i just said so, the boot process would be stuck if the rootfs has any incoherences |
| 16:56.45 | Juesto | because it wouldn't be able to get checked nor mounted |
| 16:57.10 | Juesto | btrfs stuff gets added but not fsck |
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| 16:57.54 | t3st3r | Juesto> what exactly you want to do with fsck on btrfs? |
| 16:58.19 | greycat | More to the point, what type of file system *is* your root fs? |
| 16:58.35 | Juesto | t3st3r: let initrd ensure the fs is fine? |
| 16:58.43 | Juesto | rootfs is ext4 |
| 16:58.52 | t3st3r | its fsck is "dummy", and it generally meant NOT to crash badly on its own... |
| 16:59.09 | Juesto | it's not being added.... |
| 16:59.33 | Juesto | it should so it's able to verify the fs before booting |
| 16:59.57 | t3st3r | There is no real point to add this dummy. |
| 17:00.03 | Juesto | it's not crashing, it's getting skipped, t3st3r |
| 17:00.06 | greycat | His root fs is ext4, not btrfs. |
| 17:00.13 | greycat | Or so he claims. |
| 17:00.19 | jhutchins | Juesto: So nothng's going wrong, you just don't understand why it doesn't look like you expect. |
| 17:00.22 | Juesto | not just the dummy but the e2fs tools |
| 17:00.40 | Juesto | i don't know why it's adding btrfs stuff but not fsck |
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| 17:00.51 | greycat | Juesto: clearly nobody here knows how to help you and half of the people responding are just making it worse :( |
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| 17:00.58 | t3st3r | I just wanted to tell bothering self about fsck for btrfs <anywhere> is rather pointless. Just that. |
| 17:01.14 | Juesto | oh well |
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| 17:01.19 | greycat | Juesto: you may have to figure out on your own exactly what you changed from the regular Debian stable process that builds initrd images with fsck.ext* tools |
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| 17:01.45 | Juesto | greycat: nothing, it's the debian maintained initramfs-tools |
| 17:01.50 | greycat | Maybe it was something you did when you introduced btrfs, or maybe now. I have no idea. |
| 17:01.55 | t3st3r | Btrfs either works and recovers reasonably on mount/from RAID/etc or one really have to better take a manual look on totally screwed thing... |
| 17:02.05 | greycat | 12:58 Juesto> rootfs is ext4 |
| 17:02.10 | Juesto | i did not introduce btrfs at all, greycat |
| 17:02.27 | Juesto | for some reason my system is detected as raid6 |
| 17:02.39 | Juesto | it's a laptop |
| 17:02.41 | greycat | Then why did you MENTION btrfs at all? |
| 17:02.45 | Juesto | and a single disk |
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| 17:02.57 | Juesto | greycat: because it's mentioned on the generation |
| 17:03.04 | Juesto | added instead of fsck |
| 17:03.16 | greycat | Someone did *something*, even if you don't remember it. |
| 17:03.23 | Juesto | not me |
| 17:03.45 | jhutchins | Juesto: What release are you on?? |
| 17:04.22 | Juesto | jhutchins: initramfs-tools 0.130 |
| 17:04.32 | greycat | Juesto: what release *of debian* |
| 17:04.52 | jhutchins | Yes, I should have specified. |
| 17:04.52 | Juesto | does a Debian fork counts? |
| 17:04.59 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:05.03 | jhutchins | ,v initramfs |
| 17:05.05 | judd | No package named 'initramfs' was found in amd64. |
| 17:05.13 | jhutchins | ,v initramfs-tools |
| 17:05.15 | judd | Package: initramfs-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.109.1; wheezy-backports: 0.115~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.120+deb8u3; buster: 0.130; sid: 0.130; stretch: 0.130 |
| 17:05.21 | greycat | Problem solved. Next! |
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| 17:05.27 | Juesto | lol |
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| 17:06.17 | Juesto | greycat: no not really solved |
| 17:06.24 | jhutchins | suspects systemd |
| 17:06.42 | Juesto | what |
| 17:06.48 | jhutchins | Juesto: Yes, really solved. Install Debian Stable, "problem" goes away. |
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| 17:06.52 | greycat | dpkg, blame jhutchins |
| 17:06.52 | dpkg | blames x10 and jhutchins for all the evil in the world |
| 17:06.56 | Juesto | .... |
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| 17:07.26 | jhutchins | !based on debian |
| 17:07.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 17:07.52 | Juesto | I'm saying that initramfs-tools is from Debian |
| 17:08.21 | t3st3r | it is, but it default configuration could be changed by maintainers hell a lot |
| 17:08.37 | jhutchins | Juesto: This is EXACTLY the kind of difference we can't account for or answer. |
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| 17:09.08 | jhutchins | Juesto: We know that Debian Stable does not do this, therefore it's the fact that you're not running Debian Stable that makes the difference. |
| 17:09.17 | Juesto | jhutchins: it says maintained by Debian kernel team |
| 17:09.25 | Juesto | Pfft |
| 17:09.35 | Juesto | what a stupid straight out assumption |
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| 17:09.57 | jhutchins | Juesto: Borne out by years of experience. Please contact your actual distribution's help resources. |
| 17:10.19 | bitSt0rm | tar command not working? https://ibb.co/mvr2Sd |
| 17:10.27 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 17:10.27 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 17:12.01 | bitSt0rm | Sorry - When I use the command tar -xvzf on file.tar.gz i get an error: tar: -xvzf: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 17:12.02 | bitSt0rm | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting nowtar: -xvzf: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 17:12.04 | bitSt0rm | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting nowYes |
| 17:12.25 | brw | tar definitely sits on the couch all day long. |
| 17:12.36 | greycat | bitSt0rm: you must have typed something like "tar -f -xvzf" or else you made a tar alias/function/script that's overriding /usr/bin/tatr |
| 17:12.52 | bitSt0rm | Hmm |
| 17:13.05 | jhutchins | bitSt0rm: Try the full path to the file. |
| 17:13.21 | Juesto | so narrow minded...... |
| 17:13.24 | Juesto | bad support |
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| 17:13.36 | greycat | I'm ... going to consider attempting to open his URL. If I don't come back, please send the search dogs. |
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| 17:13.52 | greycat | ... |
| 17:13.56 | jhutchins | Juesto: If you can reproduce it in Debian Stable we'll be glad to help. |
| 17:14.05 | bitSt0rm | greycat - I made an alias and didn't reload my shell. It works now! ^^ |
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| 17:14.08 | greycat | ... it's not text. It is some kind of image. Helping mode disabled. |
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| 17:14.26 | bitSt0rm | *Didn't reload when I disabled it again |
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| 17:15.18 | Juesto | it's a screenshot of the issue |
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| 17:22.21 | birdbolt1 | hallo hallo |
| 17:22.28 | birdbolt1 | i seek a good text editor |
| 17:22.41 | birdbolt1 | I installed sublime via snap and it was too tiny on the screen |
| 17:22.54 | birdbolt1 | Resizing it didnt work as it reverted after 3 secs or so |
| 17:22.59 | Juesto | birdbolt1: apt serch text editor |
| 17:23.00 | greycat | da FUCK is snap and why do people keep mentioning it here |
| 17:23.11 | birdbolt1 | greycat, do u play UT? |
| 17:23.15 | birdbolt1 | i know someoen with that username |
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| 17:23.22 | greycat | I do not. |
| 17:23.43 | birdbolt1 | snap apparently is something of a project; they build linux programs in a way that it runs on all linux |
| 17:23.58 | birdbolt1 | Thats the best i know. very welcome project |
| 17:24.05 | greycat | Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when you wrote that. |
| 17:24.09 | Juesto | birdbolt1: please don't come here for stuff not from debian. you can adjust the DPI of your DE, check sublime's config. please don't use unsupported ports. |
| 17:24.13 | birdbolt1 | no more of this packaging left and right, stuff being available in one system and not the other |
| 17:24.37 | birdbolt1 | Juesto, got it |
| 17:24.38 | Juesto | sure, it's completely unsupported |
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| 17:33.38 | de-facto | so i have got a Ricoh MP 3054 Copier/Scanner/network printer for which i want to configure cups: which driver would have the full functionality? |
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| 17:34.27 | user03 | hi, maybe someone can help me? lxc-create --name vm1 --logfile $HOME/lxc_vm1.log --logpriority DEBUG -t download Setting up the GPG keyring ERROR: Unable to fetch GPG key from keyserver. lxc-create: lxccontainer.c: create_run_template: 1297 container creation template for vm1 failed |
| 17:34.43 | Juesto | de-facto: search for the one for your model or series, good luck with codenames |
| 17:36.35 | de-facto | they supply PS/PCL files for "UNIX" on their page: http://support.ricoh.com/bb/html/dr_ut_e/re2/model/mp2554/mp2554.htm?lang=en |
| 17:36.55 | de-facto | would i use those or are there any debian packages containing such files? |
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| 17:41.46 | nekoseam | Good morning #debian |
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| 17:45.14 | de-facto | the pc got two realtek network nic's: how do i configure one of them to get an ip via dhcp and the other to run an dhcp server? can i do that in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 17:45.34 | de-facto | and how do i get proper network names (eth0, eth1 and such)? |
| 17:45.46 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch |
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| 17:47.46 | Juesto | oh yeah I'm using Debian testing |
| 17:48.03 | Juesto | greycat, jhutchins ^ |
| 17:48.08 | Stanley678 | I've installed VirtualBox and running a LinuxLite OS on it. But its slow AF. basically unusable. why is that ? |
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| 17:50.23 | de-facto | so how would i bring up the second network interface which does not show via "ifconfig"? |
| 17:50.49 | Juesto | Stanley678: blame virtualbox, this also doesn't belong here. virtualbox lacks acceleration out of box and you should install the guest additions which can end up being problematic. vmware can do hardware acceleration ootb with a option |
| 17:50.53 | Juesto | setting* |
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| 17:51.28 | Stanley678 | Juesto: vmware now requires modern cpu's :/ |
| 17:51.50 | greycat | https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/install-and-configure-isc-dhcp-server-in-debian-9/ |
| 17:52.27 | Juesto | Stanley678: you can use a old version, good luck |
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| 17:52.56 | greycat | wish they had shown the "ip link" command. oh well. |
| 17:52.56 | Stanley678 | ok i will try that |
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| 17:53.47 | Juesto | and you're on your own, Stanley678. |
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| 17:54.57 | de-facto | During installation it showed both ethernet nics, now only one of them seems available. how can i activate the other? |
| 17:55.07 | greycat | do they both appear in "ip link"? |
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| 17:56.15 | de-facto | yes |
| 17:56.37 | greycat | Then you should be able to put the non-UP one into the dhcpd conf file. |
| 17:57.33 | de-facto | i have "enp2s0" as uplink to the internet (should get its ip via DHCP) and the "enp4s0" should run a DHCP daemon itself to give the Ricoh printer its ip address |
| 17:57.43 | greycat | sounds reasonable |
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| 17:58.11 | de-facto | greycat, do i configure those options in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:58.17 | greycat | You don't. |
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| 17:58.27 | greycat | Well, I mean, the enp2s0 one, you do. |
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| 17:59.05 | tom | . |
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| 17:59.08 | greycat | "auto enp2s0" and "iface enp2s0 inet dhcp" |
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| 17:59.55 | Juesto | you can revert the naming convention for the network interfaces if you wish, de-facto |
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| 18:00.55 | de-facto | Juesto, i would like, yet in my case its essential the names always refer to the same physical connectors |
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| 18:01.13 | Logitech | Just discovered DebianDog. I love it! Where has this been my whole life? or rather, where have I been? |
| 18:01.22 | Guest35862 | How can i protect SSH with Two Factor Authentication, preferably via RFC 6238, WITHOUT having to trust a third part like Google |
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| 18:01.53 | Guest35862 | Virtually every SSH 2FA guide i read specifies installing a pam module for Google Authenticator. |
| 18:02.05 | Guest35862 | Which makes connections to Google servers |
| 18:02.16 | Guest35862 | The thing is, What if you don't trust Google? |
| 18:02.32 | Juesto | Guest35862: you can use any authenticator |
| 18:02.44 | Juesto | it's compatible with google iirc |
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| 18:02.51 | de-facto | greycat, and the dhcpd one? no mentioning in /etc/network/interfaces i guess and some dhcp server software? isc? which one is the default? |
| 18:02.54 | Guest35862 | True, but the server side makes connection to google.com |
| 18:03.02 | Juesto | don't use Google 2fa/services? |
| 18:03.10 | greycat | de-facto: did the tutorial that I found in 3 seconds with Google not work? |
| 18:03.20 | DammitJim | why does Debian freak out when a mount that is specified in /etc/fstab isn't there? |
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| 18:03.30 | greycat | Because you didn't tell it not to. |
| 18:03.39 | DammitJim | what is the proper way to let Debian mount a drive only if it's there and move on if it isn't? |
| 18:03.46 | greycat | All the file systems mentioned in fstab are considered essential to basic system operation unless you mark them as optional. |
| 18:04.12 | greycat | DammitJim: man fstab -> nofail |
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| 18:04.29 | DammitJim | nofail is the key! |
| 18:04.33 | de-facto | greycat, oh thanks, i did oversee that before |
| 18:04.35 | DammitJim | thank you |
| 18:04.45 | Guest35862 | yes, Google is the issue. I don't want my servers making connection to google |
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| 18:05.47 | DammitJim | oh, how weird! |
| 18:05.52 | DammitJim | the drive was connected |
| 18:05.59 | DammitJim | but for some reason Debian wasn't seeing it |
| 18:06.04 | Juesto | Guest35862: Then block google. |
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| 18:06.11 | Juesto | in your network |
| 18:06.17 | petn-randall | Guest35862: That RFC does not specify that Google must authenticate. Choose any other service, or set up your own. |
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| 18:06.47 | Guest35862 | petn-randall, do you know of any other 2fa pam authentication library not google? |
| 18:06.52 | petn-randall | Guest35862: Personally, just disable password auth and use SSH keys. |
| 18:07.01 | Guest35862 | eg, authenticator.so not google-authenticator.so |
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| 18:07.19 | greycat | This is sounding like "I want to use two-factor authentication because I read about it once and it sounds nifty" |
| 18:07.57 | Guest35862 | greycat, well that's not how it is. I already use 2fa with an offline device. i just would like to use it for ssh as well |
| 18:07.59 | DammitJim | everyone is talking about 2 factor these days |
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| 18:08.02 | petn-randall | Guest35862: It's just the name of the app. You can set it up to authenticate against any other server, even your own. |
| 18:08.05 | greycat | "So, what is the other factor you were planning to use?" "What, you mean I have to PICK something?!?" |
| 18:08.37 | Guest35862 | greycat, your not adding anything to the conversation by insulting me |
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| 18:09.00 | petn-randall | greycat: Well, Apple recently introduced 2FA to their root user. Now you need to know the username *and* the password. :P |
| 18:10.00 | Juesto | lol |
| 18:10.06 | Juesto | 2fa for root |
| 18:10.08 | Juesto | lmao |
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| 18:11.00 | Juesto | speaking of that I'm not able to authenticate as root via loginwindow nor admin elevation dialogs |
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| 18:11.24 | Guest35862 | the problem i have the the google-authenticator library is that when generating the private key, it links to a google.com/ of a qr code of your key |
| 18:11.35 | nekoseam | test1 |
| 18:11.42 | Guest35862 | Google has no business knowing my private key |
| 18:11.44 | petn-randall | nekoseam: Test failed. |
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| 18:11.47 | nekoseam | umode +R |
| 18:11.50 | nekoseam | shoot |
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| 18:11.56 | Guest35862 | https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3843%2F14573264401_d3f5a2f247_z.jpg&f=1 |
| 18:12.03 | nekoseam | perhaps I need to get to bed |
| 18:12.56 | Juesto | nice redirect link |
| 18:13.22 | nekoseam | I've never heard of staticflickr |
| 18:13.34 | Guest35862 | i am aware that i can just type the private key into any RFC compliant 2fa device and have that work, but the server side is the sketchy part |
| 18:13.41 | Juesto | it's probably flickr server |
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| 18:14.10 | Juesto | Guest35862: your key is protected because the server only has the public portion |
| 18:14.27 | Guest35862 | https://0x0.st/s2t8.jpg |
| 18:14.47 | nekoseam | dude what are those links |
| 18:15.14 | Guest35862 | you guys didn't like the long redirect link so here is a static link to the file |
| 18:15.17 | Juesto | nekoseam: aren't those images/screenshots, can't you notice? |
| 18:15.30 | nekoseam | Yeah but from weird sites |
| 18:15.46 | Guest35862 | define weird site |
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| 18:17.24 | Juesto | Guest35862: sites that look sketchy, awkward, rare, odd |
| 18:17.34 | Juesto | telling from the url |
| 18:17.44 | Guest35862 | how tho |
| 18:17.55 | jelly | your domain name is weird! |
| 18:18.02 | Juesto | lol |
| 18:18.06 | jelly | weeeeeiiiiird |
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| 18:18.35 | Guest35862 | it's just a name. weird is subjective i guess |
| 18:19.07 | Guest35862 | the site's called 'The Null Pointer' so the domain name is fitting in my opinion |
| 18:19.27 | bites | now it's less weird. |
| 18:19.42 | bitSt0rm | Thats 0x3419 |
| 18:19.50 | will_ | i've downloaded sublime that runs out of a folder. is there a way to get it in /bin OR SOMETHING |
| 18:20.24 | Guest35862 | will_, copy the binary to /usr/local/bin/ |
| 18:20.25 | bites | or somethink in your path? symlink in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 18:20.31 | greycat | will_: what happens if you make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/sublime to /your/directory/not/a/folder/dammit/bin/sublime |
| 18:20.48 | will_ | hmm i didnt think of that |
| 18:20.49 | will_ | ill try |
| 18:21.09 | bites | you know an answer is good if you get it thrice, lol. |
| 18:21.16 | Guest35862 | greycat, you may have issues if you use filesystem mount option hardening, but otherwise it should work i guess |
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| 18:22.06 | Guest35862 | you can also duct tape your license plat to your car. It would work but you probably should it do cleaner |
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| 18:23.33 | M_aD | maxdawid: stop spamming in other channels about joining the debian channel, thanks in advance |
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| 18:26.44 | rant | anyone offhand know of a plugin or something for chromium that can no load or derender a particular ad source.. its poping up a square add over top of content with no way to get at the content behind it |
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| 18:27.20 | Guest35862 | will_, if copying the binary to /usr/local/bin/ will not work for whatever reason, maybe it's Dependant on files being in the same dir as the executable, you could add the downloaded folder to your $PATH |
| 18:27.50 | jelly | rant: like, uBlock Origin, whitelist everything except that one particular ad provider? |
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| 18:28.07 | will_ | update-alternatives --set editor /bin/sublime-text |
| 18:28.07 | will_ | update-alternatives: error: alternative /bin/sublime-text for editor not registered; not setting |
| 18:28.10 | Guest35862 | you can do that by adding export PATH="$PATH:/home/youruser/Downloads/sublime" to your .bashrc |
| 18:28.12 | will_ | my plan didnt succeed :( |
| 18:28.25 | greycat | First of all, use /usr/local/bin and not /bin. |
| 18:28.35 | greycat | Second, manually set the symlink in /etc/alternatives/ if that's what you really want. |
| 18:28.49 | will_ | I thought /bin would make it global |
| 18:28.50 | will_ | for all usuers |
| 18:28.57 | greycat | Third, set the VISUAL and EDITOR environment variables in your own login session/profile so you don't have to worry about alternatives. |
| 18:29.08 | greycat | /bin is reserved for Debian; /usr/local/bin is reserved for you |
| 18:29.09 | Guest35862 | will_, /bin is for basic system binaries like ls, cat, dd |
| 18:29.14 | greycat | both are in the default PATH for all users |
| 18:29.15 | will_ | ohh |
| 18:29.44 | Guest35862 | you can see your current set $PATH by $echo $PATH |
| 18:29.52 | will_ | in /etc/alternatives/, am I symlinking to the sublime binary? |
| 18:29.57 | Guest35862 | yes |
| 18:30.06 | greycat | Where does it link right now? |
| 18:30.17 | will_ | to /bin/sublime-text |
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| 18:30.20 | will_ | gonne delete that |
| 18:30.23 | Guest35862 | greycat, $cat $EDITOR |
| 18:30.32 | greycat | I thought you said your update-alternatives didn't work. |
| 18:30.48 | will_ | it did not |
| 18:30.58 | greycat | But /etc/alternatives/editor was actually changed...? |
| 18:30.58 | will_ | i manually added the symlink in /bin |
| 18:31.04 | will_ | oh noooo |
| 18:31.06 | will_ | it wasnt |
| 18:31.34 | will_ | created a symlink in /bin, then tried update-alternatives using that symlink |
| 18:31.46 | will_ | and it didnt work, saying it wasnt egistered. not sure what that mean |
| 18:31.49 | greycat | update-alternatives is only for Debian packages |
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| 18:32.10 | will_ | aah so only stuiff that came from apt |
| 18:32.44 | will_ | does this mean there is no where to make `editor $args` launch a binary of my choosing |
| 18:32.50 | will_ | no way*+ |
| 18:33.02 | greycat | 14:28 greycat> Second, manually set the symlink in /etc/alternatives/ if that's what you really want. |
| 18:33.20 | will_ | whops missed that trying now |
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| 18:34.38 | will_ | lol what did i do wrong again |
| 18:34.39 | will_ | update-alternatives --set editor /etc/alternatives/sublime-textupdate-alternatives: error: alternative /etc/alternatives/sublime-text for editor not registered; not setting |
| 18:35.03 | greycat | MANUALLY |
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| 18:35.11 | greycat | ln -sf |
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| 18:35.33 | will_ | very highly upvoted on SO |
| 18:35.34 | will_ | update-alternatives --set editor /etc/alternatives/sublime-textupdate-alternatives: error: alternative /etc/alternatives/sublime-text for editor not registered; not setting |
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| 18:35.39 | will_ | ugh sorry |
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| 18:36.14 | will_ | To create or update a symlink: |
| 18:36.14 | will_ | ln -sf /path/to/file /path/to/symlink |
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| 18:36.24 | jelly | if you want to use alternatives you have to register one first. This is typically done in installation scripts if the package maintainer is sane |
| 18:36.25 | will_ | What do you mean by "manual" |
| 18:36.34 | greycat | 14:35 greycat> MANUALLY |
| 18:36.35 | greycat | 14:35 greycat> ln -sf |
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| 18:36.52 | will_ | yes yes i get it "manually" but im trying to learn as well |
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| 18:37.02 | will_ | whats difference ebtween -s and -sf |
| 18:37.02 | greycat | jelly: he's not using a package |
| 18:37.06 | greycat | will_: man ln |
| 18:37.06 | will_ | what makes -sf "manual" |
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| 18:37.22 | greycat | will_: It's the "ln" part that is manual, versus update-alternatives which is "automatic". |
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| 18:38.06 | jelly | grep 'update-alternatives.*editor' /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
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| 18:38.13 | ox16p | szukam polskich sponsorów |
| 18:38.23 | jelly | update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/editor editor /usr/bin/joe 70 |
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| 18:39.07 | greycat | jelly: It's been 20 minutes and he's still struggling with "ln -sf" |
| 18:39.08 | jelly | ox16p: maybe ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:39.20 | rant | jelly: thanks that works nicely |
| 18:39.27 | jelly | greycat: hey, at least noone's judging my choice in editors |
| 18:39.41 | ox16p | jelly: ok, thx |
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| 18:40.29 | jelly | will_: running ln manually makes its running manual |
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| 18:43.50 | will_ | this is where the symlink lives now |
| 18:43.51 | will_ | To create or update a symlink: |
| 18:43.51 | will_ | ln -sf /path/to/file /path/to/symlink |
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| 18:44.16 | jelly | will_: do not mess with alternatives manually, tho |
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| 18:44.28 | will_ | lol lots of conflicting directives here haha |
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| 18:44.38 | greycat | jelly: seriously, you think he's going to be able to grok that "registering an alternative" nonsense? |
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| 18:44.52 | jelly | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 18:44.57 | will_ | my end goal is to be able to have `editor $args` working with sublime |
| 18:45.03 | will_ | instead of the limited nano |
| 18:45.11 | greycat | ln -sf /usr/local/bin/sublime /etc/alternatives/sublime |
| 18:45.17 | greycat | ln -sf /usr/local/bin/sublime /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 18:45.30 | greycat | forget the first one |
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| 18:45.50 | jelly | I think that breaks any further update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 18:45.58 | greycat | I think he won't care |
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| 18:46.00 | jelly | but have any actually checked |
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| 18:46.06 | jelly | not* checked |
| 18:46.06 | will_ | ugh i just saw my last couple of responses |
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| 18:46.11 | will_ | pasted the wrong stuff again |
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| 18:46.32 | will_ | the symlink is currently here /etc/alternatives/sublime-text |
| 18:46.38 | greycat | *fuck* |
| 18:46.41 | greycat | ln -sf /usr/local/bin/sublime /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 18:46.42 | will_ | so i remove that? |
| 18:46.47 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 18:46.52 | greycat | I am DONE with this shit. |
| 18:46.54 | will_ | lmao |
| 18:47.43 | Juesto | registering alternative > manually symlinking |
| 18:47.57 | phogg | registering alternatives is not very hard |
| 18:48.13 | greycat | phogg: we spent 30 minutes trying to get him to make one. fucking. symlink. |
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| 18:48.44 | phogg | greycat: Okay. Registering alternatives *should not be* very hard for anyone of ordinary skill. |
| 18:49.07 | will_ | okay okay |
| 18:49.10 | will_ | clean slate |
| 18:49.14 | will_ | when does the symlink go |
| 18:49.17 | will_ | where |
| 18:49.32 | Juesto | same location i assume |
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| 18:53.11 | nekoseam | uhh |
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| 18:53.16 | nekoseam | test can anyone see this |
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| 18:53.31 | bites | is there anybody out there? |
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| 18:53.35 | nekoseam | yes |
| 18:53.36 | nekoseam | hi |
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| 18:53.44 | babilen | You guys need help? |
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| 18:53.54 | han-solo | :} |
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| 18:54.15 | nekoseam | I was spooked because I just restarted my router |
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| 18:56.17 | Resilience | I was in the middle of a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and I pushed ctrl-C and got this message: "W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish", wat can I do to make the dist-upgrading end? |
| 18:56.37 | greycat | Just run it again. |
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| 19:01.33 | hanasaki | how do you do basic auth with wget? tried --user= and password= however no work. postman works fine with the header manually added |
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| 19:01.52 | jelly | hanasaki: http://user:password@host/ |
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| 19:03.17 | jelly | hanasaki: if you have @ or : in either, urlencode them (@ = %%40) |
| 19:03.21 | jelly | er, %40 |
| 19:04.05 | chisight | i'm experiencing some frustration with debian. :-( a default gnome install of stretch with classic taskbar and have multiple monitors. i often lose the mouse cursor and just wiggle it to find it. when i do, the activities overview often occurs. is there an easy way to stop activities overview from ever activating (ever!!)? |
| 19:04.24 | kline | is https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing correct for stretch? I have stretch, have `deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib` in /etc/apt/sources.list, but cannot find it when trying to apt install. additionally, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/pepperflashplugin-nonfree doesnt indicate a page in the top right for stretch |
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| 19:08.15 | karlpinc | I booted with an installer and shrunk the root file system. After that the bootloader complained that it could not find something, I forget what. So I tried booting with the installer and mounting the root fs and chrooting into the mount. But running "install-grub" there gets me a bus error. If I try using the "install bootloader" menu item in the installer it tells me I have to install the base system first. But I don't want to do |
| 19:08.15 | karlpinc | that because it will overwrite my root fs -- right? What's the way forward and what is this "bus error" stuff about. (uname -a also gets me a bus error when run from within the chroot.) |
| 19:08.26 | babilen | judd: v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 19:08.27 | judd | Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.3.5-1+b1; buster/contrib: 0.3.5-1+b3; sid/contrib: 0.3.5-1+b3 |
| 19:08.32 | babilen | kline: ^ |
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| 19:09.59 | kline | babilen, the wiki indicates i need this as well as the pepperflash-nonfree package - do i only need the one in fact? |
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| 19:15.24 | kline | babilen, yeah, even after installing that package, chromium still doesnt appear to be able to display flash files, offering them as a download instead |
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| 19:32.37 | nymb242 | Hello |
| 19:32.42 | nymb242 | anyone around? |
| 19:32.47 | kline | sure |
| 19:33.10 | nymb242 | I'm looking to set up a desktop on a dedicated server with debian 9 |
| 19:33.13 | mnuhmnuh | ping |
| 19:33.35 | nymb242 | but I have ZERO linux knowledge. :/ |
| 19:33.40 | karlpinc | nymb242: So what is your question? |
| 19:33.50 | greycat | I don't understand "desktop" + "dedicated server". |
| 19:34.03 | mnuhmnuh | nymb242: details! :-) |
| 19:34.06 | greycat | Is it a server, or is it a desktop machine? |
| 19:34.29 | nymb242 | ultimately, that would be the question: how do I set up a desktop environment in debian 9? |
| 19:34.31 | karlpinc | More importantly, is it physical and sitting in front of you? |
| 19:34.32 | nymb242 | it's a server |
| 19:34.44 | mnuhmnuh | greycat: desktop env. running on a server box. |
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| 19:35.05 | greycat | You set up a desktop environment on your personal desktop or laptop machine by selecting one and then running some "apt install" command. |
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| 19:35.13 | greycat | mnuhmnuh: nonsense. |
| 19:35.27 | greycat | Why would you put a desktop environment on a server? It'll never be used. |
| 19:35.53 | karlpinc | nymb242: Best plan: go to debian.org and read the installation instructions. You will probably be best served by using the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included. |
| 19:35.59 | mnuhmnuh | greycat: kids think command lines are hard. |
| 19:36.12 | greycat | Then they shouldn't be setting up servers. |
| 19:36.49 | kline | greycat, you can just vnc in or such |
| 19:36.53 | nymb242 | let's put it this way, I have a dedicated server. I have had one for many years with windows server 2003 installed. In fact I'm using irc on it now. But at 20 extra euros per month, I'm looking to see what I can do with linux. |
| 19:36.57 | kline | a remote desktop on a server would be nice |
| 19:37.03 | phogg | kline: what for? |
| 19:37.08 | greycat | I completely disagree. |
| 19:37.11 | karlpinc | nymb242: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:37.14 | nymb242 | yes, and I am accessing it via remote server |
| 19:37.19 | phogg | if you need to run a GUI program on a server just forward X over ssh |
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| 19:37.23 | kline | but a cheapo chromebook at now you have a cheap, easily replaceable terminal with decent power because it all happens elsewhere |
| 19:37.31 | kline | s/but/buy |
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| 19:37.51 | phogg | kline: If its a server whose *purpose* is to "serve desktops" then it's okay. |
| 19:38.00 | karlpinc | nymb242: You plan to have only linux on this box or is it going to dual-boot? |
| 19:38.07 | greycat | But then it would be a server in your HOUSE, not on the Cloud. |
| 19:38.07 | nymb242 | the computer I am connecting to is on the other side of the world. |
| 19:38.46 | karlpinc | nymb242: So you need to install on a box which is not sitting in front of you, right? |
| 19:38.52 | nymb242 | yes |
| 19:39.09 | nymb242 | I have connected to it via putty |
| 19:39.26 | karlpinc | nymb242: And the box has a public IP address, right? |
| 19:39.31 | greycat | Here's an idea: learn how a NORMAL Linux system works first (Desktop machine with the Desktop Environment actually installed on it, and server with ssh access only, the way $DEITY intended). |
| 19:39.50 | michael2 | hi, does anyone know how to list all the currently installed packages from non-free section? |
| 19:39.53 | nymb242 | so far I have managed to update debian and install gnome |
| 19:39.58 | coruja | greycat, +1 |
| 19:39.58 | greycat | THEN you can worry about fancy shit like "I run my DE from a Cloud box because my government gives me free internet that is faster than the entire USA" |
| 19:40.26 | isnice | michael2: dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n' | sort | egrep ^contrib\|^non-free |
| 19:40.32 | karlpinc | nymb242: Wait, I thought you said you wanted to install. It sounds like you already have the OS installed. |
| 19:41.01 | nymb242 | I *wish* I had the time to properly learn linux. But the reality is I don't. Maybe some day. |
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| 19:41.38 | isnice | michael2: that will show contrib and non-free |
| 19:41.39 | karlpinc | isnice: There's probably a simpler way to do it with aptitude, but I don't know it offhand. |
| 19:41.52 | isnice | karlpinc: you can also install vrms |
| 19:42.03 | mnuhmnuh | greycat: you're more curmudgeonly than me. high praise! :-| |
| 19:42.09 | karlpinc | isnice: :) |
| 19:42.15 | phogg | nymb242: you do have time, you just have to make it a priority |
| 19:42.35 | karlpinc | nymb242: I'm still not sure what your question is. |
| 19:42.36 | michael2 | isnice: thanks, Ill give it a try |
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| 19:43.03 | nymb242 | debian is already installed, and I think I installed gnome. Not sure what to do next. |
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| 19:43.20 | greycat | Turn the computer on. Login with your username and password. |
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| 19:43.57 | coruja | nymb242, try to accept that in the linux world servers are intended not to run a desktop, that's what workstations at home or office are for (but which you can override ofc) |
| 19:44.33 | coruja | (... you actually did) ;) |
| 19:44.39 | phogg | "intended" is not the right word |
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| 19:45.36 | coruja | feel free to suggest a better one |
| 19:45.40 | karlpinc | nymb242: So, you want access to a GUI desktop from a remote location, right? |
| 19:45.50 | greycat | *shudder* |
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| 19:46.01 | phogg | You have a giant box of components out of which you can compose just about anything you want just about any way you want. It's *expected* that you won't choose to put a DE on a headless box and it's *unusual* to do so. If you want to, go ahead. You might not find a lot of people who are familiar with composing components in a way that makes that work, though. |
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| 19:46.45 | phogg | The *intent* is that you should take the components and go build something glorious. That's about all. |
| 19:46.57 | greycat | It's also slow and wasteful in an environment where bandwidth between your physically-colocated ("desktop") box and the server is expensive, slow, or capped, or all of the above. |
| 19:47.41 | phogg | greycat: Being sensible was never a requirement. |
| 19:48.31 | mnuhmnuh | coruja: servers do stuff; big data tractor stuff: networked data storage, networked server process (mail, web, database, ...). enhanced / fast hardware installed. |
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| 19:49.16 | nymb242 | karlpinc: yes (sorry, had a to step a way for a sec) |
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| 19:49.22 | coruja | mnuhmnuh, i know ;) |
| 19:50.55 | coruja | one more reason not to waste precious resources for running a desktop ;) |
| 19:50.57 | karlpinc | nymb242: You want to look at vncviewer (vnc) or just using X remotely. The former is simpler, but I think you're expected to have a deskop up and running at the remote end. But wait.. How about "ssh -X me@remote.example.com startx". I think that should work. |
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| 19:51.49 | mnuhmnuh | ... and they're just as potentially destructive when they break. they can do a lot of damage, quickly. |
| 19:52.01 | nymb242 | I do have NX client installed on my local computer |
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| 19:53.30 | nymb242 | that might be what I need to install/configure on the server, is X |
| 19:53.52 | greycat | I still strongly disapprove of this course. |
| 19:54.09 | karlpinc | nymb242: That's an option too, but I've never managed to get it to work. I'd see what "startx" does. Maybe "ssh -X me@remote.example.com 'startx -- gdm'"? |
| 19:54.10 | Juesto | i strongly recommend RealVNC 5.2.3 |
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| 19:54.48 | Juesto | you can get Xorg to work on a headless server with some complicated configuration |
| 19:54.59 | Juesto | but the easiest way is using Xvnc |
| 19:55.14 | Juesto | real's version is by far the best |
| 19:55.47 | karlpinc | nymb242: X should be installed if you installed gnome. I'm pretty sure. If not install the xorg package. |
| 19:56.20 | greycat | There are like 4 different ways to install (various subsets/supersets of) GNOME, some of which may not bring in the xorg stuff. |
| 19:56.26 | nymb242 | Yeah, I read something about changing xorg to xvnc, but got errors when trying to do it. |
| 19:56.27 | de-facto | how can i get proper error messages from "isc-dhcp-server"? all i get is "Starting ISC DHCPv4 server: dhcpdcheck syslog for diagnostics. ... failed!" which does not say much... |
| 19:56.34 | Juesto | karlpinc: startx starts the default session. xinit needs session to be defined or it fallsback to a xterm, the actual server is Xorg, Xvnc, Xvfb depending on what you use, |
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| 19:57.12 | Juesto | nymb242: it's complicated, you need to have Xvnc installed from a vnc server software that provides it |
| 19:57.17 | karlpinc | de-facto: Have you looked at the syslog? That'd be easiest |
| 19:57.31 | greycat | de-facto: look in /var/log/syslog, or in journalctl -u isc-dhcp-server |
| 19:57.40 | nymb242 | hah, I have an old version of vnc in my install folders. Version 4.1.3. :) |
| 19:57.47 | nymb242 | I'll get the latest version.. |
| 19:57.47 | mnuhmnuh | de-facto: "check syslog for diagnostics" - try "journalctl -b 0" |
| 19:58.02 | karlpinc | de-facto: And if you don't want to _keep_ looking then "tail -f" is your friend. |
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| 19:59.10 | de-facto | actually it seems the interface does not have an ip yet "No subnet declaration for enp4s0 (no IPv4 addresses)." do i have to configure a manual static ip for it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:59.19 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: xvnc is a module that runs within X. |
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| 19:59.35 | jhutchins_wk | Why are we running a remote GUI? |
| 19:59.43 | jhutchins_wk | (I missed the original.) |
| 19:59.48 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: something something "I'm a windows user" something |
| 20:00.13 | jhutchins_wk | Mrmph. |
| 20:00.34 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: You can't manage a server with a GUI alone, you have to get into the text interface anyway. |
| 20:00.35 | greycat | Apparently windows users think that servers are supposed to have a GUI installed and that you're somehow magically supposed to "remote desktop" to the server's GUI from your PC. |
| 20:00.57 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I've seen that synrdome. Oracle actively encourages it. |
| 20:01.07 | greycat | Oracle is fucking Satan. |
| 20:01.39 | mnuhmnuh | de-facto: http://paste.debian.net/1027188/ |
| 20:01.50 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: You can run graphical programs on a remote server and forward the GUI to your local system. Forwarding the entire desktop is never going to perform well. |
| 20:02.37 | mnuhmnuh | nymb242: this ^^^ |
| 20:02.46 | isnice | nymb242: if you want to play around with and learn linux, why not just set up a VM in your current environment' |
| 20:03.04 | Juesto | Xvnc < Xproto |
| 20:03.08 | Juesto | oops |
| 20:03.21 | Juesto | Xvnc > Xorg forwarding |
| 20:03.30 | de-facto | mnuhmnuh, there is no dhcp server other than the one i currently configure for this interface |
| 20:04.12 | mnuhmnuh | de-facto: my dhcp server's my cable router. |
| 20:04.16 | Juesto | Xvnc is a Xorg server with vnc builtin |
| 20:04.23 | de-facto | cool |
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| 20:05.21 | mnuhmnuh | desktop tower, always cat5 connected to router. |
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| 20:08.19 | karlpinc | I am using a UEFI box. Is there any reason not to install grub into the drive's MBA? (As opposed to, say, at the beginning of the root fs's partition.) |
| 20:08.34 | karlpinc | (single boot, etc. Just Debian.) |
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| 20:10.03 | marco_ | Hi, I need some help with my debian stretch installation which is frozen already twice |
| 20:10.28 | mnuhmnuh | karlpinc: yes, go uefi boot. |
| 20:11.12 | mnuhmnuh | er, what you said. |
| 20:11.15 | marco_ | mouse is working but the desktop is dead, it 's also not possible to open a terminal |
| 20:11.24 | nymb242 | jhutchins_wk: yeah, if I can do that it would be fine. I have no idea how, though. |
| 20:11.29 | karlpinc | mnuhmnuh: ? Yes, install in /dev/sda directly? |
| 20:11.31 | skizzy | + |
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| 20:12.01 | mnuhmnuh | yup. |
| 20:12.24 | skizzy | do you guys know of a way to capture keystrokes in wine using C or Python? I want to capture keystrokes from wine on one machine and send over a network to run a macro that controls wine on another |
| 20:12.27 | mnuhmnuh | KISS. :-) |
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| 20:13.03 | skizzy | I am using python-virtkeys i think itś called and the keystrokes go to wine fine as long as i have that window selected. so I got sending keystrokes i just need to capture now |
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| 20:13.20 | mnuhmnuh | skizzy: Tk's expect can do that. |
| 20:13.35 | greycat | expect works at the terminal level, not the xev level. |
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| 20:13.58 | skizzy | mnuhmnuh, So i can make a program that uses tk and use expect and i will capture from keystrokes in another window, a wine window? |
| 20:14.25 | mnuhmnuh | skizzy: no, listen to greycat. |
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| 20:15.01 | skizzy | I want to capture from wine even if it takes capturing keystrokes system wide |
| 20:15.11 | skizzy | like a keylogger kind of i guess |
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| 20:16.11 | scrote | hello. |
| 20:16.52 | phogg | skizzy: so get a keylogger. |
| 20:17.30 | skizzy | phogg, But Iḿ trying to create a custom program to capture keys and send events over the network to another machine. that triggers another program which runs macros |
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| 20:18.08 | phogg | skizzy: yes, you said |
| 20:18.15 | cosmicfires | I've found a bug in the installer but I can't figure out how to report it |
| 20:18.22 | cosmicfires | what's the package name? |
| 20:18.45 | skizzy | phogg, maybe i can use a keylogger to log to a file and watch it for changes in my program |
| 20:18.45 | annadane | debian-installer? |
| 20:18.51 | annadane | ,v debian-installer |
| 20:18.52 | judd | Package: debian-installer on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130613+deb7u3+b2; jessie: 20150422+deb8u4+b5; stretch: 20170615+deb9u3; buster: 20171204; sid: 20171204 |
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| 20:19.37 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: If by "that" you mean x forwarding, look up x forwarding on the 'net. |
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| 20:20.10 | annadane | "Debian Installer documentation" um... ok |
| 20:20.16 | annadane | so i have no idea, then |
| 20:20.26 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: iirc if you install xclock it will pull in the minimum requirements of X. X forwarding is over SSH, so documentation there too. |
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| 20:20.53 | cosmicfires | ok I just looked for installer |
| 20:20.55 | Juesto | isn't there a metapackage for minimal X? |
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| 20:21.05 | Juesto | or a tasksel group |
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| 20:21.24 | jhutchins_wk | Juesto: Not for what you need for headless. |
| 20:21.33 | bites | debian-installer is the right package to report to. i believe. |
| 20:21.41 | cosmicfires | ok |
| 20:21.42 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: xclock is in the x11-apps pkg |
| 20:21.49 | jhutchins_wk | It's only about four packages, nowhere near a regular X install. |
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| 20:22.03 | Juesto | jhutchins: without the DE, nor anything fancy |
| 20:22.11 | Juesto | he installed gnome anyway iirc |
| 20:22.21 | jhutchins_wk | That can be fixed. |
| 20:22.39 | Juesto | what do you consider a regular X install? |
| 20:22.45 | Juesto | with a DE? |
| 20:23.23 | jhutchins_wk | Enough to run a desktop, yeah, probably a DE, but you can do minimalist X without one. Forwarding doesn't take the rendering engine. |
| 20:23.58 | jhutchins_wk | xclock is a good test of your setup and it's small and simple enough to be easy and not take up much space. |
| 20:23.59 | Juesto | yes, what's the "pack" that Xorg and freedesktop provide? |
| 20:24.12 | Juesto | xinit and xterm are too |
| 20:24.16 | jhutchins_wk | Juesto: No idea. |
| 20:24.40 | jhutchins_wk | Juesto: That's just ... silly. |
| 20:25.00 | jhutchins_wk | xinit probably wouldn't forward or be included in what I've done, but it's been a few years. |
| 20:25.05 | Juesto | it's faster and allows for running any required gui apps |
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| 20:25.27 | jhutchins_wk | faster than... |
| 20:25.32 | Juesto | it starts a X server with a session for you |
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| 20:25.42 | Juesto | depending on setup |
| 20:25.56 | Juesto | usually there's none so, fallback session is used |
| 20:26.10 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, you don't need that for forwarding. That's the whole point. Minimal install for forwarding individual apps. |
| 20:26.37 | scrote | Hi. I'm creating a debian live usb boot according to https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/ How do I add kernel modules? |
| 20:26.51 | jhutchins_wk | !live |
| 20:26.51 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. For Debian 8 "Jessie", you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. See <live stretch>. |
| 20:27.28 | Juesto | scrote: try the unofficial firmware live |
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| 20:27.58 | kline | is https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing correct for stretch? I have stretch, have `deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib` in /etc/apt/sources.list, but cannot find it when trying to apt install. additionally, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/pepperflashplugin-nonfree doesnt indicate a page in the top right for stretch |
| 20:28.20 | Juesto | where i should take issues with Debian testing to? |
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| 20:29.07 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 20:29.08 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:29.56 | jhutchins_wk | Juesto: General issues can be brought up here if it's not something version specific. |
| 20:30.11 | greycat | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:30.12 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1 |
| 20:30.31 | jhutchins_wk | Juesto: Same rule about derivative distros applies there too, we can't know what they've changed. Reproduce in actual Debian for support. |
| 20:30.31 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 20:30.34 | nymb242 | jhutchins_wk: thanks. Sorry for the noobishness. But I lead with "I know nothing about linux" :) |
| 20:30.51 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: Everybody's gotta start somewhere. |
| 20:30.52 | Juesto | jhutchins_wk: it is a version not in stable but in testing |
| 20:30.52 | nymb242 | I'll give a try to xming with putty and see where it goes. |
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| 20:31.24 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: DOS-Windows-Linux HOWTO: |
| 20:31.25 | jhutchins_wk | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php |
| 20:31.31 | nymb242 | Almost time to go home so I'll pick it up later. |
| 20:31.46 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: I liked cygwin better, but that will work. |
| 20:31.49 | Juesto | there's a gnudos package iirc |
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| 20:31.52 | de-facto | is simply "xorg" the correct meta package to install X11 server and all its deps without any window manager? |
| 20:32.00 | ska | nymb242: forget putty.. Check out git-bash |
| 20:32.20 | greycat | de-facto: yes |
| 20:32.21 | Juesto | ,v xorg |
| 20:32.22 | judd | Package: xorg on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:7.7+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:7.7+7; buster: 1:7.7+19; sid: 1:7.7+19; stretch: 1:7.7+19 |
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| 20:32.41 | Juesto | hm |
| 20:33.29 | nymb242 | ok, thanks for the suggestions. Yeah, knowing what to use is a challenge. Everybody's got their preferences. |
| 20:34.04 | nymb242 | and there's so many tutorials, which is great, but makes one's head spin. |
| 20:34.19 | nymb242 | Especially when the info given is totally different. |
| 20:34.33 | nymb242 | I'll figure it out...eventually. :) |
| 20:34.48 | greycat | 3/4 of the tutorials on the Web are wrong, partially or wholly. |
| 20:35.02 | greycat | You have to figure out which parts actually work. |
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| 20:37.58 | hiya | In Gnome Sound Settings - I don't see 150% volume |
| 20:38.03 | hiya | anymore |
| 20:38.16 | greycat | ... yay? |
| 20:38.29 | hiya | It shows 100percent only, my laptop's volume is so low :( |
| 20:38.37 | hiya | How do I bring 150percent again? |
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| 20:40.42 | hiya | Ok done |
| 20:40.51 | hiya | Tweak Settings has an option |
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| 20:45.03 | MSPE | Hi! Is anybody using Debian with backported Linux kernel depending on AppArmor, resulting in Unbound service not able to start because somehow it can't read /etc/unbound/unbound.d/*.conf because of its profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.unbound ? |
| 20:45.11 | MSPE | I tried replicating the AppArmor profile for Unbound from Sid, but still no read access to the unbound *.conf files |
| 20:45.18 | MSPE | if I boot with apparmor=0 as a Linux boot argument, everything's OK, so I'm 100% sure the problem comes from the AppArmor profile |
| 20:45.24 | MSPE | some people talk about an issue with systemd notification, but this gets resolved if you use the latest apparmor profile from sid (or just change the ad-hoc line specific to this problem |
| 20:45.25 | digital_ | oi |
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| 20:46.19 | mnuhmnuh | ,v git-sh |
| 20:46.21 | judd | Package: git-sh on amd64 -- buster: 1.1-1; jessie: 1.1-1; sid: 1.1-1; stretch: 1.1-1; wheezy: 1.1-1 |
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| 20:47.15 | greycat | !tell MSPE about debian-next |
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| 20:51.33 | Juesto | !debian-next |
| 20:51.33 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:51.39 | Juesto | ok |
| 20:52.13 | MSPE | @greycat @dpkg → sorry, I thought backports stuff was related to stable, and testing+sid to next |
| 20:52.16 | MSPE | mea culpa |
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| 20:53.32 | greycat | If you're getting apparmor problems of ANY kind, the people in #debian-next would be the only ones who know about those. |
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| 20:55.00 | annadane | ,v apparmor |
| 20:55.01 | judd | Package: apparmor on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.103-4; jessie: 2.9.0-3; jessie-backports: 2.10.95-4~bpo8+2; stretch: 2.11.0-3+deb9u2; buster: 2.12-4; sid: 2.12-4 |
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| 20:56.09 | greycat | Unless you're willing to accept "Just turn off apparmor completely" as the solution. Then maybe we can dig up the debian-user threads where they talk about this. |
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| 20:58.32 | MSPE | at first there were lots of problems when the kernel started to draw apparmor |
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| 20:58.51 | MSPE | but today on my distrib, I think unbound is the only one that still has problems |
| 20:59.01 | de-facto | hmm when i start chromium directly on xorg via startx chromium-fullscreen.sh with "chromium --window-size=7000,7000 --start-fullscreen --no-first-run --kiosk 'http://localhost:631'" in it its window got around 10px offset from top and left edge. how can i start it on complete screen? |
| 20:59.02 | MSPE | that's why I was tempted to try to fix it |
| 20:59.30 | MSPE | but I guess I can wait |
| 20:59.47 | MSPE | I already marked apparmor on hold for a few months, otherwise thunderbird wouldn't start |
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| 21:03.05 | scrote | Juesto: I downloaded the amd64 ISO image for debian live. How do I get it onto the USB stick so it's bootable and not just a .iso file? |
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| 21:09.13 | Juesto | scrote: couldn't you look that up on a search engine? |
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| 21:11.38 | svnking | Hey |
| 21:11.49 | svnking | Having an issue trying to run headless deluge |
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| 21:13.21 | annadane | svnking, ok, what "issue", need to be more specific |
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| 21:13.54 | svnking | deluged and deluge-web are both running but I can't connect to either |
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| 21:14.22 | svnking | Web loads but the daemon is offline and won't start from connection manager |
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| 21:17.24 | svnking | deluged has been started as the deluge user and appears to be running okay, according to systemctl |
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| 21:19.00 | svnking | Was working yesterday -_- |
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| 21:25.43 | Guest35862 | weird |
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| 21:25.52 | Guest35862 | i just ran apt update |
| 21:25.58 | Guest35862 | it said hash mismatch |
| 21:26.05 | Guest35862 | i ran it 2 seconds later again it worked |
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| 21:26.12 | annadane | can happen sometimes |
| 21:26.15 | annadane | not entirely sure why |
| 21:26.35 | Juesto | because connection likely |
| 21:26.35 | Guest35862 | is that what happens if someone updates their sources right exactly when the repo gets updated? |
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| 21:27.05 | Guest35862 | i got a security mail about an update to git only 1 hour before |
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| 21:29.21 | annadane | yeah, possibly |
| 21:29.24 | annadane | idk for sure th |
| 21:29.24 | annadane | o |
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| 21:39.16 | nejeeeee | is there a software i can use to write on pdf? |
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| 21:39.31 | annadane | nejeeeee, xournal |
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| 21:41.12 | nejeeeee | Package 'xournal' has no installation candidate !? |
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| 21:41.20 | annadane | ,v xournal |
| 21:41.21 | judd | Package: xournal on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.6~pre20110721-1+b1; jessie: 1:0.4.8-1; sid: 1:0.4.8-1+b1; stretch: 1:0.4.8-1+b1 |
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| 21:41.30 | annadane | should be? |
| 21:41.55 | Guest35862 | I've used Scibrus to remaster PDF files, but i think PDF modification support has to be compiled in |
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| 21:42.21 | Guest35862 | and not all distributions of Linux have that enabled in the repo version |
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| 21:43.37 | nejeeeee | annadane shouldn't it work? |
| 21:44.02 | annadane | it should work, i'm not sure why you're having problems |
| 21:44.08 | annadane | assuming you're on debian 9 |
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| 21:45.42 | de-facto | how do i autostart xorg as a user on bootup? systemd unit or such? |
| 21:46.31 | Guest35862 | de-facto, do you plan to use a graphical login manger as well? |
| 21:47.04 | de-facto | no |
| 21:47.18 | de-facto | just chromium as a user in kiosk mode |
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| 21:47.29 | Guest35862 | you can add startx to your .bashrc file |
| 21:47.48 | Guest35862 | you can even start chromium directly from X |
| 21:47.49 | annadane | nejeeeee, what's your /etc/apt/sources.list - post to paste.debian.net, and maybe try changing the mirror to one found on https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 21:47.52 | annadane | maybe a primary mirror |
| 21:48.00 | Guest35862 | startx /usr/bin/chromium |
| 21:48.07 | Guest35862 | or whereever chrome is stored |
| 21:48.10 | de-facto | yet then i would have to login, which i cant. it has to come up automatically on bootup |
| 21:48.59 | Guest35862 | de-facto, you change the getty script to login automatically instead of spawning /usr/login |
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| 21:49.33 | nejeeeee | i'm in testing, could this be the problem? |
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| 21:49.56 | de-facto | Guest35862, which file is that? |
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| 21:51.30 | Guest35862 | de-facto, it changed when debian switched to systemd. 1 second i'm looking up the updated info |
| 21:51.40 | de-facto | thanks |
| 21:52.17 | annadane | nejeeeee, right, well, if you're on testing, it's not in testing |
| 21:52.32 | nejeeeee | ok thanks, i've downloaded it manually |
| 21:52.37 | annadane | you can still get it from unstable by adding a line in your sources |
| 21:52.50 | annadane | for future reference, #debian is for stable and oldstable support |
| 21:52.52 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 21:52.52 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:54.03 | bites | and oldoldstable for the next two days! |
| 21:54.30 | Guest35862 | de-facto, ok so it looks when when systemd took over that it changed to /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 21:55.04 | Guest35862 | de-facto, you have to add a file /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d/override.conf |
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| 21:56.07 | Guest35862 | my bad |
| 21:56.12 | pfred1 | my worse |
| 21:56.17 | Guest35862 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.32 | de-facto | Guest35862, yes getty.target.wants is a directory there |
| 21:56.51 | annadane | xournal saved my life, i'm so happy it exists |
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| 21:57.31 | Guest35862 | then instead of spawning a getty or login you start x and chromium as tghe kiosk user |
| 21:57.37 | Guest35862 | or whatever user will be for the kiosk |
| 21:58.04 | Guest35862 | carful not to start it as root. that's not a good idea |
| 21:58.49 | Guest35862 | it used to be in /etc/inittab |
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| 22:01.03 | de-facto | Guest35862, you mean i change the line "ExecStart=-/sbin/agetty --noclear %I $TERM" to something like "ExecStart=-/usr/bin/sudo -u username /usr/bin/startx /opt/chromium-fullscreen.sh" or such? |
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| 22:01.10 | s7r | modifying /etc/security/limits.conf for any other user besides root does not work, unless /etc/systemd/user.conf and system.conf are also modified with limit Nofile |
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| 22:01.15 | s7r | is this a bug? |
| 22:01.27 | Guest35862 | de-facto, yes |
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| 22:04.36 | Guest35862 | de-facto, i am not familiar with the changed systemd way of doing it, but if it is anything like sysvinit or openRC it should be similar. you may have to play around with that a little =) |
| 22:06.42 | michael2 | does anyone know of a wifi chipset that has a good reputation for working correctly and ideally is open source? |
| 22:07.03 | Guest35862 | michael2, Atheros |
| 22:07.20 | michael2 | any Atheros? |
| 22:07.40 | Guest35862 | sorry, what are you asking? |
| 22:07.59 | Guest35862 | please rephrase your last question michael2 |
| 22:08.12 | michael2 | recommendaation for a good reliable wifi module I can install into a laptop |
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| 22:09.07 | annadane | i know the firmware for atheros in debian is non-free but don't know too much about it |
| 22:09.15 | annadane | i think it's quite rare for anything wifi to be truly open |
| 22:09.19 | annadane | but this is out of my depth |
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| 22:11.08 | Guest35862 | michael2, any of the wifi cards on this website https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom |
| 22:11.25 | annadane | ooh. right. i forgot about that page. |
| 22:11.28 | annadane | bookmarking. |
| 22:11.29 | de-facto | hmm next (big?) problem: chromium in kiosk mode freezes upon http auth popup: can i somehow keep kiosk mode yet let users login? |
| 22:11.46 | Guest35862 | https://tehnoetic.com/TET-N450DB |
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| 22:11.56 | michael2 | yeah, that was my understanding, but I dont know much about it. A non-free chipset that worked reliably would be improvement over what I have |
| 22:11.56 | Guest35862 | https://tehnoetic.com/TET-N300DB |
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| 22:13.04 | Guest35862 | de-facto, sounds like a program with chromium |
| 22:13.47 | michael2 | Guest35862: hey that tehnoetic.com seems a great site :) |
| 22:13.50 | petn-randall | michael2: I don't think there are any. There are just wifi chipsets that have a working non-free firmware burned in, and others that need to load a working firmware during runtime. |
| 22:14.35 | annadane | maybe in 5 years |
| 22:14.56 | Guest35862 | michael2, yeah, they are slightly more expensive than directly from the manufacturer, but all the stuff on their site is pretty much always going to work with Linux and support is good |
| 22:15.44 | petn-randall | But I'm going to assume that the have a non-free firmware still burned in to them. |
| 22:16.34 | Guest35862 | they are RYF certified from the Free Software Foundation, so whatever it is it's good enough for RMS lol |
| 22:16.59 | Guest35862 | RMS (Richard Stallman) |
| 22:17.28 | michael2 | well this webpage (that Guest35862 linked to above) https://tehnoetic.com/TET-N300DB says this: |
| 22:17.31 | michael2 | Technoethical TET-N300DB cards are Atheros AR5BHB116 miniPCIe cards sold under our own brand, with a guarantee that the TET-N300DB version ships with the Atheros AR9382 integrated circuit that uses a free software driver; |
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| 22:19.56 | petn-randall | Heh. Notice "driver". |
| 22:20.00 | bites | driver is what runs on your computer, firmware is what is loaded onto the device. the talk was about firmware. |
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| 22:20.11 | petn-randall | And check with this device for comparison: https://tehnoetic.com/TET-N150HGA |
| 22:20.24 | michael2 | ah, good spotting petn-randall, I missed that |
| 22:20.27 | petn-randall | This ^^^ one says "Because the firmware is free, you can study ..." |
| 22:20.34 | Guest35862 | do completely free Linux distro even come with nonfree firmware to load? |
| 22:20.42 | petn-randall | So the latter genuinely seems to ship with libre firmware. |
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| 22:21.40 | michael2 | right, so its saying its a wifi chipset which can be used by a kernel which has been purged of non-free blobs |
| 22:22.10 | mnuhmnuh | Guest35862: aptitude search firmware # assuming you've non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:22.33 | petn-randall | michael2: It could still have *burned-in* firmware blobs, though. It's the case in the former device, but not in the latter. |
| 22:22.56 | nezZario | So ... I have a bunch of NFS mounts under /var/www/html/ such as /var/www/html/cache/ and /var/www/html/media/ -- these are in fstab. However, if I do ex "mv /var/www/html/ /var/www/html.prev/" .. it is moving those mounts as well. Is there a way to not move the mounts, or simply, after-the-fact, move the mounts back individually? doing "mv /var/www/html.prev/media/ /var/www/html/media/" (with the html/ re-created) gives |
| 22:22.56 | nezZario | me 'device or resource busy' .... I am just trying to find the best, most-atomic way to do this |
| 22:22.57 | annadane | forego wi-fi; use carrier pigeon |
| 22:23.31 | bites | but does it really matter if the device has burned in firmware in ROM, if the hardware isn't free anyway? |
| 22:23.54 | mnuhmnuh | Guest35862: blobs from hardware mfgr's, don't blame linux/debian. for what they do / fail at. |
| 22:23.57 | Guest35862 | annadane, https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt |
| 22:24.02 | petn-randall | bites: I guess it's a matter of taste. Pretty much all current CPUs come with non-free microcode, too. |
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| 22:24.17 | bites | petn-randall: yep. |
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| 22:24.57 | mnuhmnuh | annadane: ack. |
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| 22:25.26 | michael2 | is there any way to tell - from the apt system - whether a firmware package is free? |
| 22:27.04 | rant | michael2: apt show package |
| 22:27.05 | de-facto | Guest35862, it boots and starts that, yet chromium doesnt come up yet for some reason. maybe xorg is not ready or such? |
| 22:27.28 | de-facto | it doesnt feel like the right way... |
| 22:27.42 | rant | michael2: Section: non-free is what it'll say if its non-free |
| 22:27.43 | petn-randall | michael2: If it's in main, it's FOSS. If it's in non-free, it's, well, non-free. |
| 22:27.46 | Guest35862 | de-facto, any error message? |
| 22:28.12 | rant | michael2: the Section field will also tell you if its a metapackage or not usually |
| 22:28.28 | mnuhmnuh | petn-randall: ya, and they suck at that. needrestart _always_ detects discordant running vs. expected inityada yada ... suggests restart. |
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| 22:29.12 | mnuhmnuh | microcode. |
| 22:29.51 | petn-randall | mnuhmnuh: What do you mean exactly? |
| 22:30.16 | de-facto | Guest35862, maybe "/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg.wrap: Only console users are allowed to run the X server" |
| 22:30.29 | de-facto | i guess its not supposed to be started from systemd |
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| 22:31.10 | Guest35862 | de-facto, don't start x from systemd |
| 22:31.19 | Guest35862 | have x only do that automatic shell login |
| 22:31.23 | mnuhmnuh | petn-randall: needrestart *always*, on every apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ends with microcode mismatch. |
| 22:31.25 | rant | michael2: if you wanted to script it, something like this may be what you want: apt show firmware-linux-nonfree 2>/dev/null | grep Section: | awk '{print $2}' |
| 22:31.28 | Guest35862 | have bash spawn x |
| 22:31.42 | petn-randall | mnuhmnuh: Oh, never noticed that. |
| 22:33.00 | de-facto | Guest35862, "ExecStart=-/usr/bin/sudo -u master /usr/bin/startx /home/master/chromium-fullscreen.sh" and "chromium --window-size=1920,1080 --start-fullscreen --no-first-run 'http://localhost:631'" in that script |
| 22:33.43 | Guest35862 | de-facto, try ExecStart="/usr/bin/su - kiosk" |
| 22:34.05 | Guest35862 | de-facto, try ExecStart="/bin/su - kiosk" |
| 22:34.16 | Guest35862 | su is stored in /bin not /usr/bin my bad |
| 22:35.18 | mnuhmnuh | petn-randall: it pops up an ncurses "OK" "Cancel" whatever dialog. hard to miss. i'm too sensitive. |
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| 22:35.25 | de-facto | Guest35862, ExecStart="/bin/su - kiosk" and then startx in kiosk's .bashrc? |
| 22:35.27 | Guest35862 | and then append the followed to /home/kiosk/.xinitrc |
| 22:35.35 | de-facto | ah |
| 22:36.08 | Guest35862 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.34 | mnuhmnuh | `which chromium` |
| 22:36.39 | Guest35862 | https://wiki.debian.org/Xinitrc |
| 22:36.56 | de-facto | btw whats that prepending "-" after ExecStart=-/bin/... ? |
| 22:37.01 | michael2 | rant petn-randall so does debian ship all non-free firmware (e.g. for all wifi chipset models) in a single package, firmware-linux-nonfree? if so my question is: is there a corresponding "firmware-linux-free" or "firmware-linux" package? |
| 22:37.05 | de-facto | can i safely omit that? |
| 22:37.19 | Guest35862 | de-facto, i don't know |
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| 22:37.28 | Guest35862 | stdin? maybe |
| 22:37.48 | Guest35862 | omit it and see what happens |
| 22:38.28 | petn-randall | michael2: Yes, those packages exist. |
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| 22:39.18 | de-facto | Guest35862, when i create ~/.xinitrc does that automatically startx? |
| 22:40.16 | mnuhmnuh | michael2: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 22:41.02 | rant | michael2: that package is a metapachage that pulls in several other actual packages as dependencies |
| 22:41.03 | michael2 | rant: the one liner you gave above which filtered/grepped on "Section:" - can I take it from that that "Section:" is the attribute of a packages metadata which tells if the package is in main, contrib or non-free? |
| 22:41.38 | rant | michael2: yes and also if it is a metapackage |
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| 22:42.21 | michael2 | but "Section: requires interpreting though right? |
| 22:42.49 | michael2 | it doesn't directly tell you if the package is from main - for example - you have to infer that right? |
| 22:43.20 | mnuhmnuh | michael2: you get what you pay for. it's free. |
| 22:43.20 | de-facto | Guest35862, does not work, it directly executes that su in a sequence without errors |
| 22:43.28 | rant | michael2: ugh.. look do this.. |
| 22:43.34 | Guest35862 | de-facto, no, .xinitx just overides x init paramters per user |
| 22:43.49 | Guest35862 | you'll need to add a startx your your .bashrc |
| 22:43.51 | de-facto | are you sure getty is the correct approach for this? |
| 22:43.55 | Guest35862 | *.xinitrc |
| 22:44.44 | rant | michael2: echo -e "#!/bin/bash\napt show $1 2>/dev/null | grep Section: | awk '{print $2}'\n" > sect; chmod +x sect |
| 22:45.04 | rant | michael2: then you can do ./sect package |
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| 22:45.13 | rant | and it'll tell you plainly what secion its in |
| 22:45.51 | michael2 | my question is "what does Section mean"? |
| 22:46.24 | rant | michael2: it means which section of the archive it is.. main, contrib, non-free.. and also will say if its a metapackage or not |
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| 22:48.06 | rant | the whole point of the script creation was for you to test it and see :P |
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| 22:48.56 | de-facto | Guest35862, "su[481]: pam_unix(su:session): session opened for user master by (uid=0)" and then "systemd[1]: getty@tty1.service: Service has no hold-off time, scheduling restart." [...] "getty@tty1.service: Start request repeated too quickly." |
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| 22:49.37 | michael2 | rant: sorry, I missed the fact you had used "apt" - I was too focused on the specific filters - and therefore fundamentally missed what the command was doing... ok I think I am with you now |
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| 22:51.30 | de-facto | i think that getty command is not correct |
| 22:52.01 | rant | michael2: yes well its justt apt show package but the redirect of stderr to /dev/null is so you don see the warning about scripting apt :P then it takes out the Secion line with grep, then strips off "Section: " with awk |
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| 22:53.17 | rant | michael2: short version is debian has he DFSG a guideline of what Debian considers "Free" and all packages in debian's main section are DFSG compliant, conrib is for packages which are DFSG but require things that are not. like an open game engine that uses proprietary data files, and non-free is for stuff tha is jus not DFSG |
| 22:53.46 | Guest35862 | de-facto, well at least we know where it is tripping up now, the autologin to shell part. If anybody else more versed in systemd would like to chime in please do |
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| 22:55.53 | rant | michael2: the slightly longer version is to read two of my fav documents, the "Why Debian" and "Social Contract" which outlines debians goals, and its covenant with its users and developers and society as a whole.. one of those key points is for people to be able to take all of debian as-is to use, sell, modify, or whatever they please.. which is why we have sections cause some people make suff who dont |
| 22:55.57 | michael2 | rant: thanks, yes I am up to speed with criteria by which packages are grouped into main/contrib/non-free. My question is how do you determine which which section main/contrib/non-free a package is in based on the "Section: ..."field of apt show output... |
| 22:55.59 | rant | agree with that philosophy and some people want to use that stuff :P |
| 22:56.03 | de-facto | Guest35862, i reverted that getty part back and launched startx manually and it really starts chromium from .xinitrc |
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| 22:57.23 | rant | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.26 | de-facto | also from .bashrc with startx |
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| 22:57.41 | rant | michael2: thats just what the Section: field is for.. idk what more explaination you need :P |
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| 23:01.03 | michael2 | so my interpretation of the "Section: ..." field in apt/packages file is this: "apt simply _assumes_the package is from main - unless otherwise stated - e.g. if a package is in main "Section: ..." will simply show a usage category like "productivity" or "web". if its non-free it will say "non-free" instead of a usage category |
| 23:01.16 | de-facto | Guest35862, thanks a lot for your help |
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| 23:02.26 | michael2 | rant: ^^^ do I understand right? |
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| 23:04.20 | pfred1 | this is just great I cannot install anything |
| 23:04.22 | rant | michael2: apt doesnt care what section its in.. it'll install whatever you want if its available in its package cache and it can reach the file wherever it is.. |
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| 23:05.26 | pfred1 | right now apt won't install beans over here |
| 23:06.10 | pfred1 | it keeps telling me i have held broken packages |
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| 23:09.14 | Guest35862 | de-facto, no problem |
| 23:10.29 | pfred1 | now the command apt-get remove libudev1 wants to uninstall my whole system |
| 23:12.15 | rant | michael2: apt is just already on your system, already has a cache of info about available packages downloaded in /var/cache/apt and such, and its the simplest way I could think of for you to get that information |
| 23:13.05 | pfred1 | should I go for it? https://pastebin.com/TEfxzSzi |
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| 23:15.16 | pfred1 | might be in the market for a new distro ... |
| 23:15.37 | michael2 | rant: I think I found a way - by getting it from the Packages files in /var/lib/apt/lists - and selecting the appropriate file |
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| 23:23.34 | rant | deadpans |
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| 23:26.12 | padomay | hi i need help with the tar command |
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| 23:27.27 | pfred1 | I need help with the apt command today |
| 23:27.52 | annadane | padomay, more details? |
| 23:28.08 | pfred1 | in fact I think I might be done with it for now |
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| 23:28.39 | annadane | pfred1, yeah that looks severely broken |
| 23:28.49 | padomay | annadane, I have to extract a file.tar.xz and to install two more |
| 23:28.51 | annadane | and is probably a mixed system with several sources.list entries |
| 23:29.01 | annadane | what does apt-cache policy say? |
| 23:29.36 | padomay | annadane, so the question is.. can i install something using the tar command or i need to extract and then copy the files to the /bin directory? |
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| 23:30.07 | padomay | and... how do i extract the first file? I tried tar -xzf but it shows 2 errors |
| 23:30.14 | pfred1 | annadane https://pastebin.com/EEhgjp3T |
| 23:31.23 | annadane | i think that's fine; try installing aptitude and try installing the package with aptitude (don't press y, just see what it says, or cycle through the solutions) and see where the conflicts are |
| 23:31.32 | annadane | also, you're better off pasting to paste.debian.net |
| 23:31.47 | pfred1 | annadane I've been down the aptitude route already |
| 23:32.25 | pfred1 | I didn't like how this install went anyways |
| 23:32.36 | pfred1 | it just seemed sketchy t ome |
| 23:33.07 | bites | padomay: tar doesn't install things, it just handles archives. as for the error, please post the exact command and output to paste.debian.net |
| 23:33.57 | pfred1 | bites tar can install things |
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| 23:34.49 | bites | how? |
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| 23:35.07 | pfred1 | bites tar will put any file anywhere |
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| 23:36.01 | bites | it can extract and you can specify the target directory. |
| 23:36.11 | pfred1 | bites so it depends on how the archive was assembled |
| 23:36.41 | padomay | heres the output http://paste.debian.net/1027207/ |
| 23:36.44 | bites | really... |
| 23:36.52 | pfred1 | bites and if you specify say the root directory as the target? |
| 23:37.17 | bites | and have you ever seen that used? |
| 23:37.23 | pfred1 | yes i have |
| 23:37.38 | bites | i havn't. and it's really not relevant for this. |
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| 23:37.59 | pfred1 | well don't go around saying tar can't do somethings that it can do |
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| 23:38.26 | pfred1 | you can tar up your whole system |
| 23:38.32 | bites | good for you. |
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| 23:39.38 | padomay | pfred1, bites hey stop fighting and help me please :) |
| 23:39.42 | bites | padomay: tar will intepret x and z independently, z standing for gzip. try -xJf for xz. |
| 23:40.10 | michael2 | or just use atool |
| 23:40.20 | padomay | bites, it worked, thanks |
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| 23:40.29 | michael2 | command is `aunpack <archive>' |
| 23:41.04 | zimb | how can I open npk files? |
| 23:42.15 | annadane | very carefully |
| 23:42.18 | annadane | (sorry, i don't know) |
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