| 00:00.07 | annadane | ewtvb, i'm 99.999% you're intentionally trolling and it's fucking pissing me off when it gets in the way of helping people with their issues |
| 00:00.22 | annadane | even so, calling someone a retard who's asking for support is absolutely unacceptable |
| 00:00.27 | kill0rmachine | strange thing is that its listed as it would be still there |
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| 00:00.39 | davesp | "https://wiki.debian.org/BurnCd"? |
| 00:00.40 | ewtvb | Jaxx_: it worked? |
| 00:00.41 | kill0rmachine | but if u unpack the deb its not there |
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| 00:00.50 | Jaxx_ | oh i forgot to ask.. when im in the install.. which option do i choose? |
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| 00:01.00 | kill0rmachine | expert |
| 00:01.04 | ewtvb | what options do you got? |
| 00:01.08 | annadane | davesp, that's not for cppying an iso |
| 00:01.26 | annadane | Jaxx_, what install do you want, i'd probably just choose graphical mode |
| 00:01.35 | annadane | or graphical install or whatever it's called |
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| 00:01.49 | kill0rmachine | go pro -> expert mode |
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| 00:01.56 | annadane | well, "an iso" but not... yeah |
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| 00:02.06 | Jaxx_ | expert install is in the "Advanced options" |
| 00:02.13 | Jaxx_ | i dont remember all the options there |
| 00:02.18 | kill0rmachine | just a joke dont do that |
| 00:02.22 | annadane | okay, can we not give absolutely random advice that has no bearing or relation to anything? |
| 00:02.42 | Jaxx_ | So do i choose expert install or something else, annadane? |
| 00:02.44 | ewtvb | do you want to install debian with graphical like with Desktop Envrionment or just terminal? |
| 00:02.50 | annadane | just the first option, graphical install |
| 00:03.16 | Jaxx_ | ok, thanks , annadane .. i see what happens this time |
| 00:03.31 | annadane | if you still get weird graphical problems, it's probably hardware related |
| 00:03.39 | ewtvb | it might not. |
| 00:03.47 | ewtvb | is it worked? |
| 00:03.49 | annadane | i actually agree, if this is a laptop it may have been better to use the firmware image, we'll see... |
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| 00:05.00 | annadane | (even so, i don't think that would screw up the graphics that much) |
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| 00:05.23 | ewtvb | im curious if it worked..... |
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| 00:06.27 | kill0rmachine | downloading wlan driver without wlan can be tricky |
| 00:07.08 | Sveta | what floor planning software is available for debian? to draw a room plan and move furniture around |
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| 00:07.36 | annadane | well, i know there's FreeCAD, possibly LibreCAD |
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| 00:08.52 | ewtvb | so he quit |
| 00:08.54 | ewtvb | it worked? |
| 00:08.59 | Trel | Does whiptail have a variable option like DIALOGRC=<file> in dialog? |
| 00:10.27 | davesp | Floor planning? This is gonna sound real dumb, but for a single-floor plan, pencil and paper might be your best options. |
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| 00:11.46 | ewtvb | im afraid annadane to install the nvidia script |
| 00:11.48 | ewtvb | you afraid me |
| 00:12.00 | ewtvb | if i install nvidia driver i can get better quality or something? |
| 00:14.03 | somiaj | Sveta: xfig may suit your needs |
| 00:14.57 | ewtvb | i really want to install the nvidia script but im afraid |
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| 00:18.57 | ewtvb | so i can run the nvidia script? |
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| 00:19.06 | ewtvb | on #hashcat they told to exit X and run it as sudo/root |
| 00:19.08 | somiaj | if you want, I advise against that on debian. The package in stretch-backports is fairly new, most likely if it doesn't work with the stretch-backports driver, it won't run with the nvidia version. |
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| 00:19.30 | somiaj | you can but it is not supported here, and debian upgrades could break it. So you'll have to rerun it in that case |
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| 00:19.45 | ewtvb | what do you mean rerun? |
| 00:20.06 | somiaj | I mean run the nvidia installer again |
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| 00:20.30 | somiaj | but I would read and follow the wiki link, it has various suggestions for different setups. |
| 00:20.57 | somiaj | since you don't want to use bumblebee, look at the options to disable the dynamic graphics |
| 00:21.28 | ewtvb | why to disable dynamic graphics, what is that even mean? |
| 00:22.52 | somiaj | did you read the wiki? |
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| 00:23.26 | somiaj | That is what optimius hardware is, it is dynamic (changing) graphics, that uses both the intel and nvidia cards depending on what you are doing, and overall has poor support in linux. |
| 00:23.50 | somiaj | disable the intel card and use only the nvidia card, or use bumblebee, those are about the two choices I know of, and the wiki explains them both. |
| 00:24.02 | ewtvb | that is complicated |
| 00:24.11 | kill0rmachine | wayland on stretch has now native vsync support and can prime synchronisation |
| 00:24.13 | ewtvb | do i get better quality if i use graphics card? |
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| 00:24.50 | kill0rmachine | 3d rendering yes, can play lot games on the nvidia gpu |
| 00:24.57 | ewtvb | not playing games |
| 00:25.00 | kill0rmachine | cs go |
| 00:25.01 | somiaj | ewtvb: please read the wiki and figure out what works best for you. You ahve been at this for a while, try to read and learn about your hardawre. |
| 00:25.04 | kill0rmachine | e.g |
| 00:25.20 | ewtvb | i just want to make hashcat works :D |
| 00:25.22 | somiaj | in essence you have hardware with poor linux support, so you'll ahve to do extra work and read. |
| 00:25.25 | kill0rmachine | 70-90 fps its rly fun |
| 00:25.37 | somiaj | kill0rmachine: that is besides the point of the issue though. |
| 00:26.42 | somiaj | you don't need a gpu for hashcat. Just have it use your cpu if you can't get your gpu to work. |
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| 00:27.44 | ewtvb | somiaj: how? i tried --force but no avail |
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| 00:28.13 | somiaj | ewtvb: read the docs. |
| 00:28.27 | ewtvb | yes |
| 00:28.30 | ewtvb | i read |
| 00:28.32 | ewtvb | nothing |
| 00:29.00 | ewtvb | somiaj: are you learning calculus? |
| 00:29.11 | somiaj | ewtvb: that is irrelevent to debian support. |
| 00:29.16 | ewtvb | yes? |
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| 00:29.56 | ewtvb | shit 4 AM |
| 00:30.00 | ewtvb | cant make hashcat work |
| 00:30.26 | ewtvb | fuck nvidia |
| 00:30.44 | ewtvb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g |
| 00:31.16 | ewtvb | at least i know i am nott the only one |
| 00:31.38 | somiaj | watch your language and attitude, go read the docs. |
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| 00:32.26 | ewtvb | somiaj: thats what linus said. |
| 00:32.34 | ewtvb | did you see it? |
| 00:33.20 | somiaj | it is irrelevent and off-topic. |
| 00:33.24 | ewtvb | its not |
| 00:33.28 | somiaj | If you don't want to use nvidia, don't use it. |
| 00:33.44 | davesp | According to Wikipedia, "Hashcat is the self-proclaimed world's fastest password recovery tool." It's not Debian-specific. If you're here (in a Debian-specific channel), looking for Hashcat details, you're in the wrong place. |
| 00:33.47 | ewtvb | i want to use nvidia its just i dont know how to make it work. how to install it. so hashcat will work |
| 00:33.58 | ewtvb | im need help with installing nvidia. |
| 00:34.01 | ewtvb | driver. |
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| 00:34.07 | ewtvb | for my lovely computer |
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| 00:35.32 | somiaj | it also requires nvidia-cuda, or you can isntall some third party intel drivers and use your cpu, overall, you need to read the docs, and try to understand what they are telling you. |
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| 00:37.59 | ewtvb | somiaj: i have the file NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.59.run and not sure if to run it |
| 00:38.41 | somiaj | ewtvb: you have been answerd that question many times. |
| 00:38.50 | ewtvb | no |
| 00:39.12 | somiaj | yes you have, by me and others. |
| 00:40.09 | ewtvb | noooooooooo |
| 00:40.11 | ewtvb | plz man |
| 00:40.16 | ewtvb | to run that script? |
| 00:40.30 | ewtvb | i just want to make hashcat work.. |
| 00:40.40 | ewtvb | so i can have it . |
| 00:40.50 | somiaj | then go read the docs and figure it out. |
| 00:40.58 | ewtvb | whiich ddocs? |
| 00:41.09 | ewtvb | debian or hashcat? |
| 00:41.23 | ewtvb | wow man u make it hard |
| 00:41.31 | ewtvb | its proof calculus is not easy |
| 00:41.43 | somiaj | no, you make it hard, but not trying to understand what you have already been told. |
| 00:42.13 | ewtvb | ;_; |
| 00:42.16 | davesp | ewtvb: Are you asking a Debian channel to help you crack passwords via "Hashcat"? |
| 00:42.28 | ewtvb | davesp: im asking how to install nvidia driver. |
| 00:42.33 | ewtvb | bumblebee not work |
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| 00:42.42 | somiaj | ewtvb: you have been told that multiple times and given links with better guides. |
| 00:42.56 | ewtvb | somiaj: what better guides? its same link LOL |
| 00:43.19 | somiaj | read the wiki on optimus hardware and the nvidia drivers. |
| 00:43.29 | somiaj | they clearly explain how to install the nvidia driver in debian. |
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| 00:45.30 | davesp | Hmph. |
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| 00:47.45 | ewtvb | somiaj: the nvidia driverswiki? |
| 00:48.17 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus |
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| 00:48.56 | ewtvb | somiaj: the second one is not helpful. its just to see info about my system. |
| 00:50.05 | ewtvb | somiaj: first link confuses me.. |
| 00:50.20 | ewtvb | and seems they only install from repos! |
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| 00:51.22 | somiaj | then read and try to understand it, it tells you what you need to install the nvidia driver, and more imporntally nvidia cuda (which requires a bit more work in debian) |
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| 00:52.30 | ewtvb | ah seems very complicated. thanks anyway sir. i appreciated your support! |
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| 01:07.38 | rpifan | dpkg |
| 01:07.47 | rpifan | dpkg debhelper |
| 01:07.47 | dpkg | well, debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building Debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
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| 01:10.28 | somiaj | rpifan: you can /msg dpkg factoid for info |
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| 01:10.59 | ewtvb | rpifan: you can /msg dpkg factoid for info |
| 01:11.07 | ewtvb | what is rpi? |
| 01:11.32 | rpifan | raspberry pi |
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| 01:13.47 | davesp | rpifan: You'll likely receive several opinions on whatever you post here, so you might as well spit it out now, unfiltered. :-) |
| 01:17.53 | ewtvb | davesp: see what you did ... |
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| 01:18.45 | davesp | Spooked? Naw. Bashful. |
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| 01:20.13 | ewtvb | ################### |
| 01:20.18 | ewtvb | !dpkg # |
| 01:20.18 | dpkg | i guess # is HASH DAMMIT, HASH! NO! OCTOTHORPE! |
| 01:20.23 | davesp | ...and IP6-brash and all that. |
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| 01:25.25 | davesp | In case "rpifan" is a bit bashful, I run "raspbian" /and/ "debian", on different CPUs. Each platform has its uses. All are performing very well. |
| 01:25.52 | ewtvb | stop |
| 01:25.57 | ewtvb | go |
| 01:26.03 | dvs | yield |
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| 01:27.04 | davesp | Yeah, well, someone forgot to distribute the hallucinogenics. :-) |
| 01:27.23 | ewtvb | dvs: yield... remind me python yield. scares |
| 01:27.29 | somiaj | either way, this is off topic noise. Please stick to debian support. |
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| 01:32.25 | ewtvb | somiaj: a |
| 01:32.26 | ewtvb | fas |
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| 01:33.27 | somiaj | ewtvb: fas? This is a support channel, not one for just random conversation. |
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| 01:34.10 | ewtvb | k |
| 01:34.12 | ewtvb | kkkkkkkkkkk |
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| 01:46.12 | davesp | somiaj: Agreed. But, if new channel users see that existing users (assumed devs from whatever background) can banter about, wouldn't that encourage those new channel users to open up and contribute to the purpose of the channel? |
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| 01:46.48 | Jaxx2 | im back |
| 01:46.54 | annadane | success? |
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| 01:47.22 | annadane | and yeah i've sort of stopped berating people for off-topic unless someone has a support question and they're being talked over |
| 01:47.33 | Jaxx2 | about the blue thingy from the share site? fixed that |
| 01:47.38 | annadane | good |
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| 01:48.01 | Jaxx2 | u know what i did? |
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| 01:49.22 | Jaxx2 | I had to set USB Boot to "Legacy first" in Bios |
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| 01:49.59 | annadane | ...really? |
| 01:50.03 | annadane | odd solution |
| 01:50.04 | Jaxx2 | yes |
| 01:50.42 | davesp | Jaxx2: Cool. Which directions (i.e. from what web "http") were you following at the time? |
| 01:51.05 | Jaxx2 | oops sorry |
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| 01:51.44 | Jaxx2 | i meant i set Boot Priority to "Legacy first" |
| 01:52.25 | davesp | Same question though. Maybe we have some documentation which needs updating. |
| 01:53.21 | annadane | but yeah, i'd thought of that, maybe switch between legacy or the other mode which name i forget |
| 01:53.26 | annadane | BIOS? |
| 01:53.29 | davesp | UEFI? |
| 01:53.45 | annadane | possibly |
| 01:53.54 | davesp | (I.e. "the bane of sane devs"?) |
| 01:54.13 | Jaxx2 | it was in bios under "Boot: section |
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| 01:55.04 | davesp | Jaxx2: You running a name-brand PC (like "Dell", "HP, etc.)? |
| 01:55.25 | Jaxx2 | lenovo |
| 01:55.40 | annadane | that's still really weird, i don't know why non-legacy would just mangle the installer |
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| 01:56.14 | annadane | or maybe by sheer coincidence it was a corrupt image and you happened to select non-legacy :P |
| 01:56.14 | Jaxx2 | well. thw boot option to legacy didnt work |
| 01:56.19 | annadane | ah. |
| 01:56.25 | davesp | (I'm thinking it might be a Phoenix BIOS thing or something...) |
| 01:58.29 | davesp | ...but, "legacy" seems to work best for *Nix (unless you're trying to boot Ubuntu, and I have little experience there, and that's another channel. :-) |
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| 01:59.21 | annadane | we don't speak of that satanic hellspawn |
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| 02:00.25 | davesp | Jaxx2: If you believe you have a solution which could benefit the larger Debian population, please find the appropriate Debian Wiki (under "https://wiki.debian.org/") and make an update. We will all benefit. |
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| 02:02.28 | Jaxx2 | now im in advanced option.. which one to choose? |
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| 02:04.02 | davesp | rolls dice.... |
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| 02:07.28 | Jaxx2 | annadane: so which option? |
| 02:07.58 | annadane | well, do you have to use advanced options? do you just want a regular install? |
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| 02:08.13 | davesp | Jaxx2: You wrote earlier 'I had to set USB Boot to "Legacy first" in Bios'. Didn't that work? (Sorry for stepping on annadane.) |
| 02:08.15 | annadane | you can read the install guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual |
| 02:08.24 | somiaj | davesp: uefi boot works just fine on all my systems. And I find it nicer and prefer gtp partition tables. |
| 02:08.49 | annadane | i'm not sure which "advanced options" you mean |
| 02:08.53 | Jaxx2 | davesp: it was a typo |
| 02:08.58 | davesp | Me neither. |
| 02:09.21 | Jaxx2 | let me take a screenshot |
| 02:09.29 | annadane | i can basically talk you through the install, if you want, but i'm not versed in expert mode |
| 02:09.46 | annadane | and you said you're a beginner so i assume you just want a no nonsense install |
| 02:10.17 | davesp | will step back. |
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| 02:11.08 | Jaxx2 | https://share.riseup.net/#osixw2djVOikMNdcTmDJ9g |
| 02:11.10 | somiaj | Jaxx2: I missed the actual problem, any reason you want to use legacy boot over efi? (though both should work) |
| 02:12.03 | annadane | Jaxx2, graphical automated install |
| 02:12.25 | annadane | i never get this because i always install in legacy :P |
| 02:12.43 | Jaxx2 | somia: idk. just realized since usb boot set to legacy first didnt work. so it was just a guess |
| 02:12.56 | somiaj | annadane: that is not a legacy vs uefi issue, there is a second option 'advanced options' that was selected. |
| 02:13.18 | somiaj | Jaxx2: I missed what didn't work? |
| 02:13.46 | Jaxx2 | let me check bios again |
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| 02:14.22 | bites | somiaj: this was the original issue from three hours ago: https://share.riseup.net/#uqXH3nwl9nAnmDoX60Z3Pw |
| 02:14.50 | bites | it was only that, or did i miss something? |
| 02:15.14 | annadane | that's essentially the initial problem |
| 02:15.18 | somiaj | ahh, that does look bad. Maybe a gpu issue and the text install should be used over the graphical one? |
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| 02:15.32 | somiaj | or was that even before selecting 'install debian' |
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| 02:17.04 | Jaxx2 | i had Boot Mode on "Legacy Support". that didnt work. had it on UEFI and that didnt work. So i changed Boot Priority from "UEFI First" to "Legacy first" |
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| 02:17.56 | Jaxx2 | and thst fixed the blue thingy ftom that share riseup site |
| 02:18.20 | annadane | we promise you debian is not normally this finnicky :P |
| 02:18.25 | annadane | sorry you have to deal with this |
| 02:18.56 | Jaxx2 | no worries. we all get issues somewhere |
| 02:19.18 | somiaj | well uefi boot should work just fine (as long as secure boot is disabled) and I personally prefer it. |
| 02:20.03 | Jaxx2 | i can try xhange back to uefi. but on where? |
| 02:20.15 | Jaxx2 | *change |
| 02:20.27 | somiaj | that is configured in how you have your system boot the installer. |
| 02:20.49 | Jaxx2 | should i try? |
| 02:21.29 | somiaj | Your choice, you did verify the image wasn't corrupted and you copied it to the usb drive using supported tools? |
| 02:22.03 | Jaxx2 | yes. usb image writer |
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| 02:24.34 | Jaxx2 | im going to change back on "Boot priority to see if i get the same. if i do,I change back and try the other |
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| 02:26.46 | tharkun | !binaryeditor |
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| 02:27.39 | annadane | if you want to edit binary code i think the answer is to use one of the "z" tools |
| 02:28.44 | davesp | "bvi" is fun. |
| 02:28.46 | annadane | ah no that's probably wrong |
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| 02:29.59 | somiaj | I just like randomly flipping a few bits just to watch things crash and burn...*hides* |
| 02:30.20 | tharkun | Actually I want to view a binary file |
| 02:30.39 | annadane | i think it's zless |
| 02:30.52 | davesp | "hexdump -Cv file" |
| 02:30.52 | somiaj | annadane: binary is not gzipped |
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| 02:32.37 | davesp | (somiaj: Randomly flipping bits to watch the result is often informative, from a debugging perspective.) |
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| 02:33.03 | bites | no, it's the new brute force debugging. :P |
| 02:33.20 | annadane | xkcd.com/realprogrammers |
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| 02:36.54 | Jaxx2 | anyway. back to the photo of the advanced oprions.. which one to choose? |
| 02:37.09 | annadane | i would still say, automated graphical install |
| 02:37.10 | bites | tharkun: what kind of binaries do you want to look into? gdb might be the answer. |
| 02:37.20 | davesp | annadane: 404 Not Found: Did you mean "https://www.xkcd.com/378/"? |
| 02:37.47 | annadane | i didn't expect it to link :P |
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| 02:40.46 | davesp | Jazz2: Have you uploaded a current image |
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| 02:41.23 | Jaxx2 | u mean the iso on the usb? |
| 02:42.02 | annadane | https://share.riseup.net/#osixw2djVOikMNdcTmDJ9g - save it somewhere and rotate the image |
| 02:42.15 | kill0rmachine | hey how went the installation? |
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| 02:45.51 | Jaxx2 | annadana: u have to save it and rotate it. i cant on my laptop since im installing debian |
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| 02:47.05 | kill0rmachine | javascript to download a image? |
| 02:47.10 | kill0rmachine | lol |
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| 02:47.42 | Jaxx2 | just unsure what to choose on "Debian GNU/Linux installer boot menu" |
| 02:48.13 | Javabean | personally, i scroll all the way down to "graphical installer" |
| 02:48.42 | somiaj | Jaxx2: usually the first option, install debian, is just fine. |
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| 02:48.55 | somiaj | the other options are for people who have specific needs. I for one prefer the expert installer. |
| 02:49.00 | kill0rmachine | install graphical or textmode, there is no difference in the installation procedure only the gui looks diffrent |
| 02:49.24 | annadane | actually, can you not back out of "advanced options"? |
| 02:49.24 | somiaj | mostly one uses a mouse and the other arrow keys |
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| 02:49.39 | annadane | i assumed you couldn't because of what you had to do to get it working but... |
| 02:49.43 | Jaxx2 | ty for the choices. i just foe one more to hear what ge says |
| 02:49.51 | davesp | The image seems to be the standard Debian Live menu. Is there a YouTube video to walk someone through the "expert" options? |
| 02:50.01 | annadane | i'd probably just leave advanced options and select graphical installer |
| 02:50.13 | annadane | sorry, getting confused, having dealt with this for like 2 hours earlier :P |
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| 02:53.24 | somiaj | annadane: on the netinstall here there is an 'Basic' option to go back tot he basic menu |
| 02:53.53 | somiaj | Jaxx2: oh you are using a live image? |
| 02:54.36 | Jaxx2 | iso on a usb if thats what u mean |
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| 02:54.47 | annadane | lemme scroll up |
| 02:54.57 | annadane | yeah it's the netinst |
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| 03:06.20 | pinkos | hi guys, who makes decent computers that run debian well? |
| 03:06.27 | pinkos | i want a good machine for mainly darktable |
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| 03:09.06 | michael2 | some of the earlier pre-i3/4/5 thinkpads are popular |
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| 03:09.40 | bites | tharkun: there are a few segy viewers you might want to look into. |
| 03:09.46 | pinkos | i need a machine good for Darktable |
| 03:09.54 | pinkos | as i edit and store a lot of photos |
| 03:10.05 | pinkos | so it needs to be capable of doing that smoothly and quickly |
| 03:10.57 | annadane | oh hang on, i bookmarked this |
| 03:11.21 | annadane | https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom |
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| 03:12.20 | annadane | no idea what hardware is best for darktable, though |
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| 03:13.50 | somiaj | pinkos: and this was answered before, find a machine that you want, then double check the hardware (namily graphics, wifi, and various other things for linux support) |
| 03:14.17 | bites | tharkun: otherwise, if you really want to get into the binary data, you will probably want to use something like hexedit. |
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| 04:38.34 | A|an | I have what's no doubt a stupid question: What's MWE mean? (cf. https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/110797/how-to-install-font-from-the-font-catalogue-in-debian, at the bottom) |
| 04:39.02 | anotherkaramazov | probably U:m 222:l #debian |
| 04:39.31 | annadane | A|an, i suspect, "minimal working example" |
| 04:39.54 | A|an | okay...thanks...i was curious |
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| 05:32.24 | AliceKelly | i keep trying to get webgl enabled but the games im trying to run keep saying its not installed. is there a wevgl package and how can i check installation |
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| 05:33.13 | somiaj | AliceKelly: isn't webgl just a browser thing, what games are you running (are they browser games)? |
| 05:33.28 | OtakuSenpai | its a spec |
| 05:33.51 | OtakuSenpai | you should look for what part of your code uses webgl |
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| 05:34.43 | somiaj | ahh, okay. I've only used it with browsers and enabling it there. |
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| 05:36.12 | AliceKelly | its a browser plug in but ill be damned if i can get it enabled in either firefox or chrom |
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| 05:38.36 | AliceKelly | i just googled browser games, like quake and started choosing several from different places games to try |
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| 05:38.52 | somiaj | AliceKelly: in chromium, you can use the addres, chrome://gpu and see if it is enabled. I have both WebGL and WebGL2 with "Hardawre accelerated" here. |
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| 05:48.29 | AliceKelly | somiaj, i see a ton of driver stuff related to amd linux driver. is there possibly a plus side of installing the catylist driver ? |
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| 05:48.36 | Tech_8 | hi |
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| 05:48.42 | AliceKelly | hello |
| 05:48.47 | Tech_8 | hi AliceKelly |
| 05:49.07 | uxfi | Tech_8; hello and AliceKelly |
| 05:49.17 | AliceKelly | wasabe |
| 05:49.59 | somiaj | AliceKelly: catylist driver isn't really supported anymore. Radeon + nonfree firmware maybe enough. Do you have firmware-amd-graphics installed from non-free? |
| 05:50.29 | AliceKelly | let me check |
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| 05:51.58 | AliceKelly | already newest version |
| 05:52.46 | somiaj | AliceKelly: what was the actual info about WebGL: And WebGL2: in chrome://gpu |
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| 05:54.01 | AliceKelly | list is way to long, but a few said something like linux driver returned code blaugh and linked to bugs involving webgl |
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| 05:54.43 | somiaj | Then take a screen shot, or pastebin it. Without actual output hard to debug what the issue is. |
| 05:54.45 | AliceKelly | and a bunch of code work arounds which are above my understanding |
| 05:55.17 | somiaj | I have those too, but I'm asking for one paticular piece of info, what does ti say about WebGL |
| 05:57.33 | somiaj | there is even a buton, Copy Report to Clibboard, to make it easy to paste at a pastebin (such as paste.debian.net) |
| 05:57.38 | AliceKelly | says enabled. |
| 05:57.56 | somiaj | just enabled, not Hardware acceelrated? |
| 05:58.08 | AliceKelly | but it cant be if 10 different games on seperate sites say no its not |
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| 05:58.50 | somiaj | okay, lets check your hardware, can you paste your Xorg.0.log file at paste.debian.net, usually located at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log |
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| 05:59.59 | AliceKelly | working |
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| 06:07.30 | AliceKelly | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/1027656/ |
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| 06:10.02 | somiaj | don't see anything out of the ordnary there. Unsure what the issue could be. |
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| 06:19.14 | AliceKelly | this is the output of chrome://gpu http://paste.debian.net/1027657/ |
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| 06:22.53 | somiaj | well that says you have WebGL and WEbGL2 both hardware accelerated. Maybe the paticular sites you are going to require opengl version greater than what you have there. |
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| 06:23.03 | somiaj | but everything looks configured fine, from what you have pasted |
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| 06:23.24 | AliceKelly | is there a package ? |
| 06:24.41 | Ferix | Heya, I am installing Debian via netboot on an old sparc server (sunfire T1000, ~2005 era). I want to install debian 7, as that's the last debian with Sparc support afaik, but when selecting a mirror I get asked to install stretch - stable, buster - testing or sid - unstable. None of those support Sparc. How can I choose to install wheezy instead? |
| 06:25.55 | AliceKelly | stable 8 supports sparc but not sable 9 ? |
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| 06:26.09 | AliceKelly | rather 7 bit not 8 |
| 06:26.24 | somiaj | AliceKelly: Your webgl is enabled, so unsure what the issue could be. |
| 06:26.58 | AliceKelly | this is why i love linux. never a dull moment |
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| 06:27.29 | somiaj | Ferix: wheezy has been in lts for a while, and lts doens't support sparc. Maybe if you point it at archive.debian.org you can get the old sparc port for wheezy. |
| 06:27.55 | somiaj | Ferix: is that sparc64 by chance? |
| 06:29.14 | AliceKelly | doesnt bsd support sparc ? |
| 06:29.29 | Ferix | somiaj: Yeah, sorry, Sparc64, which seems to be supported by Wheezy. |
| 06:29.39 | somiaj | it might, but that is kinda besdies the point for debian support. |
| 06:29.41 | annadane | *some* variant of BSD probably does |
| 06:29.51 | somiaj | Ferix: there is an unoffical sparc64 port at ports.debian.net |
| 06:29.53 | annadane | openbsd particularly is known for their support of incredibly obscure hardware |
| 06:30.00 | somiaj | Ferix: https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64 |
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| 06:30.38 | AliceKelly | i had debian on a sun once way back |
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| 06:33.40 | Ferix | archive.debian.org has 6 as the latest, but if I look on ftp.debian.org/dists/wheezy I do see sparc files, and I actually downloaded the netboot from there, which is working without problems. |
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| 06:34.16 | Ferix | But when selecting that as a mirror, I cannot select wheezy, just stretch or newer, is there a way to use ftp.debian.org and make it install wheezy? |
| 06:34.58 | annadane | i guess i'll just state the obvious that security support for wheezy is limited and if you're going to use it on a server be cautious |
| 06:35.19 | babilen | Ferix: I'd just finish the installation and then edit your sources to what you want |
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| 06:35.52 | babilen | The installer might also allow you to edit your sources manually / from the CLI |
| 06:36.13 | babilen | The pre-defined set of options might not support this usecase |
| 06:36.57 | Ferix | annadane: I know, I wasn't planning on using this for anything else then locally, it's 12 years old and not really practical, more of a silly weekend project. |
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| 06:42.08 | Ferix | oh, fun, debian ports gives me the option sid to install, and the error that my achitecture is not supported, whelp. |
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| 06:56.17 | Sveta | hi all :) ".ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver was not provided by any .service files" when i run 'light-locker-command -l' , xscreensaver and lightdm-gtk-greeter already installed, what to do? |
| 06:57.30 | annadane | Sveta, you posted in #debian-next about this earlier, are you on stable? |
| 06:58.20 | Sveta | annadane: no, sorry - asking here in case someone is a bit more awake |
| 06:58.49 | Sveta | annadane: perhaps you can suggest somethingthere? it's been bugging me for a bit, i'm not seeing relevant hints on the web :-/ |
| 06:59.25 | annadane | afraid i have no idea :( |
| 07:01.06 | Sveta | hmm |
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| 07:10.51 | pingfloyd | sounds like it is expecting a service unit |
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| 07:11.08 | pingfloyd | but I bet the xscreensaver package doesn't provide one |
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| 07:20.50 | srged | why is my debian-strech asking for my username when returns from sleep ? (my previous version of debian was only asking for pass) |
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| 07:28.32 | Jaxx2 | how dows a command in terminal for debian look like? |
| 07:29.31 | srged | Jaxx2: what command ? |
| 07:29.50 | Jaxx2 | just in general |
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| 07:30.04 | Jaxx2 | for example to install |
| 07:30.31 | Jaxx2 | remove packe and all-in-one command |
| 07:30.49 | srged | sudo apt-get install pidgin |
| 07:31.04 | dka | I have an issue with my debian, I wanted to install wine and typed this |
| 07:31.13 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.13 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new hurd-i386 processor |
| 07:31.16 | Jaxx2 | ooh. i thought it was different with debian |
| 07:31.50 | srged | Jaxx2: different then what ? |
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| 07:32.01 | Jaxx2 | u know |
| 07:32.03 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.13 | dka | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 07:32.13 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.47 | dka | My GUI toolbar as disappear, all my windo have no more toolbar and my desktop icon are not valid anymore |
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| 07:36.11 | dka | Please help me |
| 07:36.11 | dka | http://termbin.com/x0m0 |
| 07:36.19 | dka | My debian is ruined after I have tried to install whine |
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| 07:38.18 | dka | I am on Debian Stretch, I wanted to install Whine, The installation removed me my GUI navigation and it seems that all my desktop icon are bad now and google-chrome and many other things are not here anymore, this is my term : http://termbin.com/x0m0 , it seems to be related to Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
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| 07:46.27 | dka | Help please |
| 07:47.19 | rabbitear_sdf | Help me, please |
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| 07:48.24 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you all over the place |
| 07:48.26 | dka | yeah |
| 07:48.30 | dka | I have fucked my friend computer |
| 07:48.31 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: missing icons |
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| 07:48.47 | dka | I wanted to get whine |
| 07:48.50 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: its the end of the world |
| 07:48.55 | dka | kind of |
| 07:48.56 | dka | help |
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| 07:50.11 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you could install another desktop envirnoment |
| 07:50.28 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: and use that instead of what you can not control |
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| 07:51.32 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: why is it that you don't know what happened? |
| 07:51.44 | dka | I wanted to install whine |
| 07:51.49 | dka | so I followed what the terminal was telling me |
| 07:51.51 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: do you know why you don't know what happened? |
| 07:52.00 | dka | experience? |
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| 07:52.19 | rabbitear_sdf | whine is something I'm not had experience with |
| 07:52.38 | dka | do you have experience with broken system? |
| 07:52.38 | pingfloyd | rabbitear_sdf: I think he removed required packages |
| 07:52.45 | dka | I stil have apt |
| 07:52.48 | dka | hjow can I get them back |
| 07:52.50 | dka | there must be a way |
| 07:52.57 | rabbitear_sdf | could be |
| 07:53.10 | dka | what over desktop I can install? |
| 07:53.21 | rabbitear_sdf | but, normally debain figures out "wine" but not "whine" |
| 07:53.55 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: wine is a gui in it self |
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| 07:54.07 | pingfloyd | "You are about to do something potentially harmful." |
| 07:54.14 | dka | yes |
| 07:54.17 | dka | it's happening again |
| 07:54.22 | dka | I have tried to downgrade systemd and dependency |
| 07:54.27 | dka | and now he ask me to typ |
| 07:54.29 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: lol, take the notes |
| 07:54.30 | dka | Yes, do as I say! |
| 07:54.37 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: take notes |
| 07:54.45 | dka | man |
| 07:54.50 | dka | I don tknow what to do |
| 07:54.53 | dka | can I roll back? |
| 07:55.18 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: ... you can |
| 07:55.18 | dka | After this operation, 490 MB disk space will be freed. |
| 07:55.18 | dka | You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
| 07:55.18 | dka | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 07:55.22 | pingfloyd | reinstall all the required packages |
| 07:55.32 | dka | tell me what to type |
| 07:55.39 | pingfloyd | and important as well |
| 07:55.43 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: but it seems like a lot of work for you dka |
| 07:55.49 | pingfloyd | standard wouldn't be a bad idea for good measure either |
| 07:55.50 | dka | Everytime I type something it ask me to type ; To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 07:56.01 | pingfloyd | that will probably salvage the situation |
| 07:56.07 | dka | lol |
| 07:56.14 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: can you talk about version numbers |
| 07:56.14 | dka | =/ |
| 07:56.20 | dka | yes |
| 07:56.26 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: just courious |
| 07:56.29 | dka | I know dpkg -l | grep what do you want |
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| 07:57.16 | dka | man |
| 07:57.19 | dka | it's bad |
| 07:57.24 | dka | What to do |
| 07:57.35 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: 'this is happening again!' <- take some solid notes in the first place. |
| 07:57.55 | pingfloyd | really you're never sunk unless the system is so broke you can't even run apt or aptitude |
| 07:58.05 | rabbitear_sdf | because THIS will keep on happening again and again |
| 07:58.12 | rabbitear_sdf | that is for sure dka |
| 07:58.25 | pingfloyd | that doesn't mean there isn't necessarily a huge mess to sort through |
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| 07:58.59 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you can update it!, I have faith |
| 07:59.27 | dka | apt-get update? |
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| 07:59.35 | rabbitear_sdf | sure |
| 07:59.36 | dka | Hit:6 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch Release |
| 07:59.37 | dka | 0% [Working] |
| 07:59.40 | rabbitear_sdf | thats a start |
| 07:59.49 | dka | I had to recreate /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:59.50 | rabbitear_sdf | type in some actions |
| 07:59.59 | dka | 0% [Working] |
| 08:00.01 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: thats fine |
| 08:00.12 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you have internet? |
| 08:00.26 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: dns ? |
| 08:00.32 | dka | I can curl |
| 08:00.42 | rabbitear_sdf | should be fine |
| 08:00.45 | dka | root@dev-01:~# curl https://www.google.fr |
| 08:00.46 | dka | bash: curl: command not found |
| 08:01.14 | rabbitear_sdf | dka, please fix that first |
| 08:01.33 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.34 | dka | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 08:01.54 | dka | I have force to install the old version |
| 08:02.04 | dka | I have pluged a hard drive |
| 08:02.07 | dka | but I have no more desktop |
| 08:02.07 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: I think you panic, why don't you do what apt suggests for now |
| 08:02.10 | dka | How can I backup all the data |
| 08:02.17 | dka | from the computer to the external drifve? |
| 08:02.32 | dka | Ok |
| 08:02.33 | dka | curl is here |
| 08:02.35 | dka | I can curl |
| 08:02.44 | pingfloyd | did you ever run apt-get install -f like said? |
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| 08:02.51 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you know what to do cheif |
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| 08:03.26 | dka | pingfloyd, |
| 08:03.31 | dka | Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. |
| 08:03.32 | dka | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 40 not upgraded. |
| 08:03.33 | pingfloyd | you want to keep the required and important package but get rid of the packages conflicting with them |
| 08:03.40 | pingfloyd | *packages |
| 08:04.04 | pingfloyd | did you try running apt-get upgrade? |
| 08:04.04 | rabbitear_sdf | autoremove will not remove anything you anything else needs |
| 08:04.17 | pingfloyd | I wouldn't worry about autoremove yet |
| 08:04.27 | pingfloyd | first fix it, then see what it wants to autoremove |
| 08:04.32 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: thats not what went wrong |
| 08:04.42 | dka | I am trying to force install cinnamon |
| 08:04.46 | dka | using old version of systemd |
| 08:04.51 | dka | I got a command that is now running |
| 08:04.55 | dka | I have not try apt-get upgrade yet |
| 08:04.58 | rabbitear_sdf | not even yet, autoremove is nothing |
| 08:05.15 | rabbitear_sdf | lol |
| 08:05.19 | dka | why does all my icon and /etc/resolv.conf and maybe some other thing got deleted without my permissions? |
| 08:05.29 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: apt update |
| 08:05.38 | dka | apt-get update is pending |
| 08:05.40 | pingfloyd | if you hit yes to the prompt in the paste from before, that is why |
| 08:05.44 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: no |
| 08:05.48 | pingfloyd | you told it to by hitting "yes" there |
| 08:05.59 | pingfloyd | it had a warning |
| 08:06.01 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you're going way to fast |
| 08:06.13 | dka | Hit:8 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease |
| 08:06.13 | dka | 0% [Working]e |
| 08:06.14 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you have access or you don't |
| 08:06.27 | dka | I have cinnamon installed but it is not here |
| 08:06.43 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: stop with just maybe this file and that file for internet |
| 08:06.56 | dka | ? |
| 08:07.05 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: apt-get update |
| 08:07.10 | dka | pending |
| 08:07.13 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: work or no? |
| 08:07.16 | dka | no |
| 08:07.17 | dka | pending |
| 08:07.21 | dka | Hit:8 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease |
| 08:07.21 | dka | 0% [Working]\ |
| 08:07.24 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: say whendone. |
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| 08:07.43 | dka | it is at 0% |
| 08:07.45 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: can you ping like debian.org lol |
| 08:07.52 | dka | Ign:2 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease |
| 08:07.53 | dka | Hit:3 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease |
| 08:07.53 | dka | Hit:4 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease |
| 08:07.53 | dka | Hit:5 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release |
| 08:07.53 | dka | Hit:6 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch Release |
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| 08:07.57 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: ping something far away |
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| 08:08.03 | dka | hi |
| 08:08.05 | dka | sorry |
| 08:08.08 | rabbitear_sdf | hey |
| 08:08.10 | pingfloyd | nice |
| 08:08.23 | rabbitear_sdf | you're going crazy dka |
| 08:08.24 | pingfloyd | did you do some speed or something? |
| 08:08.32 | rabbitear_sdf | brb 1 sec |
| 08:08.36 | dka | =p |
| 08:08.42 | dka | I don't know what this is |
| 08:09.17 | rabbitear_sdf | you and the rest of the world here |
| 08:09.21 | pingfloyd | too much gofast and you're gonna have a bad time |
| 08:10.14 | dka | root@dev-01:/home/dka# /usr/bin/cinnamon2d |
| 08:10.14 | dka | Window manager warning: Software rendering detected: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits) |
| 08:10.14 | dka | Failed to connect to session bus: The connection is closedro |
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| 08:10.23 | dka | hexchat is going away |
| 08:10.25 | dka | =/ |
| 08:10.38 | dka | Now I have my window that look like windows without borders |
| 08:11.01 | pingfloyd | your system sounds like it is in a precarious state |
| 08:11.07 | dka | I stopped apt-get update and did apt-get upgrade its doing it now |
| 08:11.10 | pingfloyd | whatever you do, don't reboot |
| 08:11.29 | pingfloyd | until you figure out how to unfuck the system. |
| 08:11.31 | dka | I need to transfer the ssh to the external hd |
| 08:11.36 | dka | can you help ? |
| 08:11.41 | Ferix | Update: Silly old sparc server is alive, I used the wrong netboot image (for debian 6 and not 7) After using the debian 7 netboot, the normal ftp.debian.org mirror gave me the option for oldoldstable. So now it runs: https://i.imgur.com/MK0ALdH.png Thanks for the help :) |
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| 08:12.01 | pingfloyd | Ferix: you have to use a release that old? |
| 08:13.14 | rabbitear_sdf | I need to put my bbs in a docker file, can you help? |
| 08:13.50 | rabbitear_sdf | actually I might have to move my stove out and see what is behind it, will you help me ? |
| 08:13.59 | dka | bbs? |
| 08:14.04 | dka | big black se.? |
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| 08:14.25 | rabbitear_sdf | ') |
| 08:15.08 | dka | I did apt-get upgrade |
| 08:15.10 | dka | what can i do now? |
| 08:15.10 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: a to b and b to a |
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| 08:16.27 | pingfloyd | dka: you don't know what a bbs is? |
| 08:16.37 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: we have people on the pay roll that don't even know they are on the pay roll |
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| 08:17.04 | dka | help me |
| 08:17.09 | dka | I cant do apt-get update |
| 08:17.12 | rabbitear_sdf | I'm kidding, but seems like that |
| 08:17.22 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: press the down arrow |
| 08:17.35 | dka | it doesnt do shit |
| 08:17.41 | pingfloyd | haha |
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| 08:18.02 | pingfloyd | any name resolution errors? |
| 08:18.06 | dka | can somebody share here the content of /etc/apt/source.list for stretech? |
| 08:18.13 | pingfloyd | yeah |
| 08:18.15 | pingfloyd | hold on |
| 08:19.39 | Ferix | pingfloyd: Had some issues with the unofficial port, Debian 7 is the latest one that officially supports Sparc, so yeah. But well, it's just for silly stuff, won't be allowed access to the outside world :) |
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| 08:20.31 | pingfloyd | dka: http://termbin.com/sggck |
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| 08:21.19 | dka | thanks |
| 08:21.21 | dka | it's updateing now |
| 08:21.23 | pingfloyd | you're welcome |
| 08:21.34 | rabbitear_sdf | \o/ |
| 08:22.05 | rabbitear_sdf | one small step for dka, one gaint leap for man kind |
| 08:22.17 | pingfloyd | other way around |
| 08:22.32 | rabbitear_sdf | prolly |
| 08:22.33 | pingfloyd | one giant leap for dka, one small step for mankind |
| 08:23.03 | rabbitear_sdf | until the next thing |
| 08:23.35 | pingfloyd | maybe he'll be able to fix it now |
| 08:23.55 | dka | I am able to update/upgrade install |
| 08:23.58 | dka | but I can run cinnamon |
| 08:24.23 | pingfloyd | dka: if you're going to go outside of supported debian packages, you might as well compile wine yourself |
| 08:24.40 | pingfloyd | then you can run the latest version where support for your windows app may be better |
| 08:24.45 | dka | I agree |
| 08:24.50 | dka | can we focus on getting debian running |
| 08:24.57 | dka | I dont know what I can do now I am stuck |
| 08:25.01 | dka | What should I do after apt-get update ? |
| 08:25.02 | pingfloyd | like if you can't just take care of it with apt or aptitude, I'd do that |
| 08:25.20 | pingfloyd | did upgrade run okay? |
| 08:25.23 | dka | yes |
| 08:25.42 | pingfloyd | make sure you have all required, important, and standard priority packages installed |
| 08:25.49 | pingfloyd | at least the first 2 |
| 08:26.23 | dka | How can i install d-bus / |
| 08:26.23 | dka | ? |
| 08:27.11 | dka | root@dev-01:/etc/apt# cinnamon |
| 08:27.11 | dka | Failed to connect to session bus: Failed to execute child process "dbus-launch" (No such file or directory) |
| 08:27.20 | dka | I can't google that, can somebody tell me what to do? |
| 08:27.31 | dka | Unless someone tell me how I can google from commande line > |
| 08:29.08 | pingfloyd | aptitude search '~prequired | ~pimportant' |
| 08:29.14 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: I'm gonna go bug my gamer friend |
| 08:29.38 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: its good that you are exploring.... |
| 08:29.44 | dka | bash: aptitude: command not found |
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| 08:30.19 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: pain is good for you, but when you rtfm, you bang your head less |
| 08:30.28 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: just saying |
| 08:31.06 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you're fun to talk to |
| 08:31.11 | dka | rabbitear_sdf, |
| 08:31.21 | dka | tel me how I can install cinnamon |
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| 08:32.01 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you shave the cinnamon, not install it |
| 08:32.50 | dka | useful words ? |
| 08:33.14 | rabbitear_sdf | its a 8 way street buddy |
| 08:33.15 | dka | can you google this for me ? Failed to connect to session bus: The connection is closed |
| 08:33.35 | rabbitear_sdf | useful questions, bring about more useful words |
| 08:33.45 | dka | I am sorry rabbitear_sdf |
| 08:33.50 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: yeah, I can |
| 08:33.50 | dka | I have a few minutes left |
| 08:34.03 | dka | I need to fix this |
| 08:34.03 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: I can pay you 50 billion dollars too |
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| 08:35.02 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: what is your favorit color? |
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| 08:36.15 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you need to know the basics |
| 08:37.12 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: like what you favorit color actually is, before you start playing around with questions about moving around inside a machine |
| 08:38.04 | dka | do I have to format |
| 08:38.05 | dka | ? |
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| 08:38.34 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: yes |
| 08:39.25 | rabbitear_sdf | because that is what you know how to do dka, good luck buddy |
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| 08:42.31 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: thankyou for trying the debian/gnu OS |
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| 08:42.49 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: as usual seeya some time in the future |
| 08:43.01 | dka | rabbitear_sdf, bye |
| 08:43.06 | dka | Thanks for your help |
| 08:43.13 | dka | I will fix this |
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| 08:43.43 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: Z will |
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| 08:45.41 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: I almost wanna say, I will fix it for you in ssh, for $50 |
| 08:46.24 | dka | only 50? |
| 08:46.34 | rabbitear_sdf | ya |
| 08:46.45 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: too much for you? |
| 08:47.05 | dka | thats like a quarter of salary |
| 08:47.22 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: ..... $20 |
| 08:47.33 | dka | what will you fix? |
| 08:47.41 | rabbitear_sdf | everything |
| 08:47.53 | dka | ok |
| 08:47.54 | dka | go for it |
| 08:48.07 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: ... |
| 08:48.31 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: lets think about stuff first |
| 08:49.01 | dka | God? |
| 08:50.38 | rabbitear_sdf | I make my own shit |
| 08:51.08 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you are looping on stuff that does not make a difference |
| 08:51.18 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: everybody can see that |
| 08:51.35 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: like you are reading google old posts or somethings |
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| 08:51.53 | dka | I am with stupid |
| 08:52.04 | rabbitear_sdf | lol |
| 08:52.09 | rabbitear_sdf | brb |
| 08:52.18 | dka | I got my 20 bucks |
| 08:52.27 | dka | Can I pay you afterward? |
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| 08:53.41 | dka | bus |
| 08:54.36 | rabbitear_sdf | of course, and I'll show you how its done afterwards too |
| 08:55.13 | rabbitear_sdf | you can feel free to pay me at any time |
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| 08:56.05 | dka | My ip address is : 52.0.14.116 |
| 08:56.12 | dka | you can try with root |
| 08:56.21 | dka | I dont remember the password can you brut force me? |
| 08:57.04 | dka | Or maybe this one 198.116.4.189 |
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| 08:57.35 | dka | Sorry that one 52.8.146.253 |
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| 08:59.01 | p0g0 | yeesh |
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| 09:05.04 | dka | Can anybody give me the repo for google chrome please ???? |
| 09:05.10 | maxcell_ | somebody here who manage to make a ps4 controller works as it should on debian? |
| 09:05.57 | at0m | maxcell_: i followed https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/PS4-Controller |
| 09:06.08 | dka | rabbitear_sdf, are you here? |
| 09:06.11 | at0m | not for PS4, but for a similar but logitech controller |
| 09:06.33 | Jaxx2 | it seems i got issues again |
| 09:07.31 | Jaxx2 | annadane: u there? |
| 09:08.54 | rabbitear_sdf | I'm somewhere |
| 09:08.57 | maxcell_ | at0m, i get udev rules problems with ds4drv method, i put the udev rules as it said (0666 permissions) but didn't work anyway. The simple USB/Steam method make the controller behave bad and some buttons doesn't work as it should (everything on default). |
| 09:09.26 | Jaxx2 | i need to chat with annadane again |
| 09:10.15 | at0m | Jaxx2: then be patient. or don't ask a specific person but throw it in the # |
| 09:10.22 | dka | rabbitear_sdf, I got my cinnemon chrome firefox all that gbacvk |
| 09:10.28 | dka | I just dont know if I can reboot |
| 09:10.39 | at0m | maxcell_: bit busy now, but i was hoping that link could get you going |
| 09:10.52 | maxcell_ | the udev on debian doesn't let me use it with 0666 permission, it doesn't let me read/write things as we need to make the controller works and i didn't find any way to work around it. Do you know why it doesn't let us use udev like that? |
| 09:11.08 | maxcell_ | at0m, no problem, but it doesn't help i already tried those methods |
| 09:11.17 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: sudo reboot |
| 09:11.27 | dka | yeah |
| 09:11.43 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: its good to read about new/old cool stuff |
| 09:12.18 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: so that you do know your way around these computers |
| 09:13.07 | Jaxx2 | at0m: i can show u the issue i got |
| 09:13.31 | dka | I am doing tail -f /var/log/syslog And I can see : |
| 09:13.32 | dka | Jun 2 16:12:51 dev-01 sh[6176]: modprobe: FATAL: Module evdi not found in directory /lib/modules/4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 09:13.32 | dka | Jun 2 16:12:52 dev-01 sh[6176]: Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 cannot be found. |
| 09:13.32 | dka | Jun 2 16:12:52 dev-01 sh[6176]: Please install the linux-headers-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 package, |
| 09:13.32 | dka | Jun 2 16:12:52 dev-01 sh[6176]: or use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located |
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| 09:13.58 | dka | Is there a wy to repair this before any reboot ? |
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| 09:14.32 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you know what buzz words are? |
| 09:14.57 | dka | please? |
| 09:14.58 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: one of the best buzz words in history is the word 'repair' |
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| 09:15.19 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you can use that in your marketing ploy |
| 09:15.30 | Sveta | same about 'fix' ? |
| 09:16.01 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: just make people not understand what you are doing, because its easy if nobody understands what is really happening |
| 09:16.03 | Jaxx2 | at0m: here; https://share.riseup.net/#yeEpY6-JEau7QDzLObhj9g |
| 09:16.17 | Jaxx2 | thats my issue |
| 09:16.30 | at0m | Jaxx2: don't throw your issues at me. ask the channel. |
| 09:17.25 | Jaxx2 | huh? was just giving the issues i got |
| 09:18.55 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, you need to download the non-free-firmware version of debian |
| 09:19.01 | maxcell_ | install |
| 09:19.04 | rabbitear_sdf | dka: you and them at the same time |
| 09:19.35 | maxcell_ | afaik you need that to make your internet work |
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| 09:20.23 | rabbitear_sdf | yeah, it takes two to not know what is going on |
| 09:21.11 | Jaxx2 | yes. but y does it say that for debian when i had no issues with linux mint kde and cinnamon.. y debian? my internet works fine |
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| 09:21.47 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, you just need to download the right version of the installer |
| 09:21.56 | maxcell_ | with non-free-firmwares packages |
| 09:22.09 | maxcell_ | which is the default on linux mint i gess |
| 09:22.16 | maxcell_ | but not on debian |
| 09:22.28 | maxcell_ | easy, just google non-free-firmware debian and download it |
| 09:22.44 | Jaxx2 | uhm. i got 64 bit. so ehich debian is correct with non-free? |
| 09:23.13 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, you have the debian-stable installers with and without non-free-firmwares. |
| 09:24.15 | rabbitear_sdf | we're slowly snipping those two each out of the database, and making it normalized like facebook |
| 09:26.10 | maxcell_ | have anybody here had an issue with udev rules on debian stable? |
| 09:27.10 | maxcell_ | like debian didn't leting you re-done default permissions |
| 09:27.15 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: do you know what they do? |
| 09:27.31 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: they are easy to write, and easy to see what happens |
| 09:27.58 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: you should fix those yourself |
| 09:28.07 | maxcell_ | rabbitear_sdf, all i know is that the ps4 controller driver need an /dev/uinput to work properly, and it need it read/write permissions for regular users to work |
| 09:28.16 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: you'll be like, why didn't I do this before |
| 09:28.25 | rabbitear_sdf | no |
| 09:28.33 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: no |
| 09:28.37 | maxcell_ | no what? |
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| 09:28.39 | Jaxx2 | so the non free isnt on debian official site? |
| 09:28.43 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: you read that some place |
| 09:28.47 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, it is, wait |
| 09:28.55 | maxcell_ | rabbitear_sdf, ds4drv project |
| 09:28.57 | dka | I have this symbolic link that doesn't exist: `build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64`, is there a way to repair it ? |
| 09:28.58 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: but you never wrote your own rules maxcell_ |
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| 09:29.15 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: which are extremely simple |
| 09:29.17 | maxcell_ | rabbitear_sdf, are you joking or something? |
| 09:29.29 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: no they are really simple rules |
| 09:29.46 | Jaxx2 | maxwell: oj. make sure that the link for non free is 64 bit of debian iso |
| 09:29.49 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: and then, should just work. |
| 09:29.56 | Jaxx2 | *ok |
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| 09:30.03 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/ |
| 09:30.12 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: but you SHOULD know how easy those rules are first |
| 09:30.40 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: its a shame that they don't teach dbus rules in schools |
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| 09:30.50 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: easy as pie |
| 09:30.50 | maxcell_ | rabbitear_sdf, https://github.com/chrippa/ds4drv/blob/master/udev/50-ds4drv.rules |
| 09:30.54 | Jaxx2 | ok. i check that. ty maxwell |
| 09:30.57 | rabbitear_sdf | nope |
| 09:31.04 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, no problem |
| 09:31.09 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: you read how to do it first |
| 09:31.13 | maxcell_ | you got this Jaxx2 |
| 09:31.15 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: make your rules |
| 09:31.21 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: then I will read it |
| 09:31.40 | maxcell_ | rabbitear_sdf, the rules is on the website i gave you |
| 09:31.53 | rabbitear_sdf | maxcell_: I'm not buying that at all, that you will not know what you mean |
| 09:32.00 | maxcell_ | KERNEL=="uinput", MODE="0666" |
| 09:32.00 | maxcell_ | KERNEL=="hidraw*", SUBSYSTEM=="hidraw", ATTRS{idVendor}=="054c", ATTRS{idProduct}=="05c4", MODE="0666" |
| 09:32.00 | maxcell_ | KERNEL=="hidraw*", SUBSYSTEM=="hidraw", KERNELS=="0005:054C:05C4.*", MODE="0666" |
| 09:32.00 | maxcell_ | KERNEL=="hidraw*", SUBSYSTEM=="hidraw", ATTRS{idVendor}=="054c", ATTRS{idProduct}=="09cc", MODE="0666" |
| 09:32.00 | maxcell_ | KERNEL=="hidraw*", SUBSYSTEM=="hidraw", KERNELS=="0005:054C:09CC.*", MODE="0666" |
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| 09:32.14 | maxcell_ | rabbitear_sdf, :) |
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| 09:33.24 | maxcell_ | did you get some of the udev rules i just pasted right rabbitear_sdf |
| 09:36.23 | maxcell_ | i miss the community who actually help rabbitear_sdf |
| 09:36.58 | rabbitear_sdf | rtfm maxcell_ |
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| 09:37.10 | maxcell_ | rtfm = ? |
| 09:37.17 | p0g0 | read that fine manual |
| 09:37.18 | pingfloyd | mode 666 isn't good |
| 09:37.19 | Sveta | rabbitear_sdf: it is recommended to guide people who do not fully follow the manuals yet |
| 09:38.02 | rabbitear_sdf | read, then ask questions based off |
| 09:38.10 | Sveta | thats what he did |
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| 09:38.41 | maxcell_ | i know 0666 is unsafe but, i want to use that anyway, the problem is, i can't the system doesn't let me, why? |
| 09:38.48 | rabbitear_sdf | so now I have to read the manual too ? |
| 09:38.59 | rabbitear_sdf | that I might not of before? |
| 09:39.08 | Sveta | yes thats why you are here |
| 09:39.15 | rabbitear_sdf | cool. |
| 09:39.25 | rabbitear_sdf | can do, but in the future |
| 09:39.27 | Sveta | it is a good idea to do things properly not unsafely |
| 09:39.46 | rabbitear_sdf | yes |
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| 09:40.06 | Sveta | maybe someone who knows the relevant lingo and theory can guide how to do it correctly |
| 09:41.07 | maxcell_ | Sveta, i just thought, if works with 0666, i can try others permissions and see if it works with the controller, but the thing is, when i put 0666, the /dev/uinput didn't change his permissions at all. |
| 09:41.17 | maxcell_ | Its like the system ignores the udev rule |
| 09:41.25 | maxcell_ | Why? |
| 09:41.48 | Sveta | i don't know the theory, i can't help you. i'm just suggesting that your question can be helped here |
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| 09:42.32 | maxcell_ | Sveta, thanks |
| 09:42.42 | Sveta | because someone is refusing help, i need to clarify: someone else still can help when they are around |
| 09:42.44 | Sveta | ok |
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| 09:47.29 | maxcell_ | For me it is basic, i'm just trying to make a regular user be able to use /dev/uinput. Thing is, seems like the debian doesn't let me to, sounds like debian knows that it is unsafe haha, it's interesting and i don't know why it is acting that way. Somebody knows if thats normal? |
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| 09:50.17 | pingfloyd | you could test by setting an existing and working one with sane perms to the insane perms as a test |
| 09:51.06 | maxcell_ | pingfloyd, good idea |
| 09:51.32 | maxcell_ | i think i've tried 660 |
| 09:51.40 | maxcell_ | back then |
| 09:52.03 | maxcell_ | do you think its safe? |
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| 09:59.03 | pingfloyd | 660 should be fine |
| 09:59.16 | pingfloyd | owner and group gets full access, but nobody else |
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| 10:00.33 | maxcell_ | pingfloyd, i found a way to change the owner with a udev rule, very easy, -> KERNEL=="sdx", OWNER="oracle", GROUP="oinstall" <- |
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| 10:07.05 | Jaxx2 | i need direct download link to the debian.ido 64 bit without getting that issue again and that it works like normal |
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| 10:08.30 | cheapie | Jaxx2: I... am not quite sure what you're asking for. Is the amd64 netinst CD the one you want? If so, here: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 10:08.51 | maxcell_ | he needs non-free-firmware cheapie |
| 10:09.17 | cheapie | This one, then: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 10:09.44 | Jaxx2 | 9.4.0 isnt the newest is it? |
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| 10:10.18 | cheapie | It's the latest stable. |
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| 10:11.10 | Jaxx2 | y does it say unofficial? shouldnt it b official? |
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| 10:13.05 | Jaxx2 | and what does non free mean? does it work like normal or does it have any limitation? |
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| 10:15.24 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, dude, its just a debian, with NON-FREE packages |
| 10:16.56 | Jaxx2 | and if i want free packages on debian,i can get that too? |
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| 10:18.52 | TandyUK | Jaxx2: "Free" as in "freedom" - free software you can copy, edit, change, share, etc without any restrictions |
| 10:19.11 | blackflow | jelly: "< jelly> blackflow: in the past, debian kept backporting security fixes from newer upstream relelases to packaged version on their own, but Debian's definition of what's security relevant might be slightly different from upstream." -- I've noticed not all CVEs get a fix. Is there a set of rules defined for what's considered a priority? |
| 10:19.23 | TandyUK | non-free software has different software licneses, which still allow you to use it, but may be more restrictive on what else you can do with it (or its source code) |
| 10:19.35 | blackflow | I do suppose RCE and/or root priv escalation are the priority. |
| 10:20.30 | Jaxx2 | one more thing. u gave me link to non free v9.4.0. but on official itcsays 9.4.4 is released |
| 10:20.53 | Jaxx2 | *9.9.4 |
| 10:21.03 | TandyUK | doesnload that instead then |
| 10:21.11 | Jaxx2 | nvm |
| 10:21.17 | michael2 | or use netinstaller |
| 10:21.26 | Jaxx2 | abit tired |
| 10:21.44 | linuxlike | hi guys anyone can reccomend me a stable linux softphone with g729 free ? |
| 10:22.00 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, TandyUK give you and me a very good lecture about software licenses, just to enlightning you, you have all debian free packages as normal, with the additional non-free-firmwares packages. You will be able to use everything debian has to offer normally. |
| 10:22.46 | Jaxx2 | ty. i give it a try |
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| 10:23.20 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, on Debian, to update the system to the newest version, all you need to do is type: apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 10:23.33 | maxcell_ | and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:23.44 | TandyUK | he left |
| 10:23.46 | maxcell_ | no matter what version you are downloading, it will be the newest one when you finish |
| 10:23.53 | maxcell_ | oh |
| 10:24.00 | maxcell_ | lol |
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| 10:25.15 | xmbswc | why doesnt debian have the newest gawk 4.2.1 |
| 10:25.33 | TandyUK | debian rarely ever has the latest anything |
| 10:25.49 | xmbswc | im running up to experimental and installed bash v5 today |
| 10:26.25 | TandyUK | if you can find a repo, im sure you can backport it from ubuntu, or build it from source |
| 10:26.50 | xmbswc | i did compile it but sad debian hasnt it |
| 10:27.07 | TandyUK | well no, you dont understand what makes debian debian clearly |
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| 10:27.18 | xmbswc | u mean stability and saveness |
| 10:27.25 | TandyUK | if you want the latests and greatest bleeding edge (read: untested) features, go use ubuntu or something |
| 10:27.33 | xmbswc | i use it for freshest packages, hence experimental |
| 10:27.43 | TandyUK | if you want a rock solid stable OS, stick with debian, and live with NOT having the bleeding edge stuff |
| 10:27.55 | xmbswc | ja easy |
| 10:27.59 | xmbswc | i continue debian++ |
| 10:28.01 | xmbswc | thxx |
| 10:28.21 | TandyUK | but like i say, if its in an ubuntu repo/ppa, you can probably install it quire easily |
| 10:28.40 | TandyUK | just expect a potentially broken OS afterward from al lthe dependencies that might need updating too |
| 10:28.41 | xmbswc | i hate non debian so i dont know |
| 10:28.50 | xmbswc | i once installed ubuntu and it was so ugly non useable |
| 10:29.10 | TandyUK | thats where removing it via apt, and compiling yourself might be a safer way around |
| 10:29.13 | xmbswc | i also once mixed up with ubuntu apt sources and broke the system so thats no way to go |
| 10:29.17 | TandyUK | again, assuming it has all the deps |
| 10:29.18 | xmbswc | i stick with the compiled version |
| 10:30.08 | xmbswc | thank you and bye |
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| 10:30.48 | maxcell_ | TandyUK, do you have nvidia? |
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| 10:32.28 | TandyUK | maxcell_: nope |
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| 10:32.56 | TandyUK | why? |
| 10:32.57 | maxcell_ | anybody knows if debian stable still having nvidia tearing issues after ForceCompositionPipeline ? |
| 10:33.41 | maxcell_ | TandyUK, i was having tearing issues when i install debian past month, in ubuntu as well, i think it was the driver version (which was the same on ubuntu 18.04 and debian stable) |
| 10:33.43 | TandyUK | ah no sorry, none of my debian 'machines' even have screens, let along a gui or gpu in them :P |
| 10:34.14 | maxcell_ | hehe |
| 10:34.18 | maxcell_ | oh right |
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| 10:34.36 | TandyUK | who needs more than the console can provide :P |
| 10:34.37 | maxcell_ | i'm trying something more desktop |
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| 10:35.05 | maxcell_ | hmm i do |
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| 10:35.39 | maxcell_ | its good when you have a solid system to take care of |
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| 10:37.58 | maxcell_ | TandyUK, i think linux could be a pretty good desktop |
| 10:38.03 | maxcell_ | can* |
| 10:38.56 | maxcell_ | TandyUK, better then windows, less bugs, faster, ext4 |
| 10:39.31 | maxcell_ | no blue screens |
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| 10:44.36 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, hi |
| 10:44.37 | Jaxx2 | here i got a choice |
| 10:44.42 | Jaxx2 | Primary network interface; np1s0: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101 / 2 / 6E PCI Express Fast / Gigabit Etherbet Controller, and wlp2s0: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (Wireless) |
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| 10:47.28 | Jaxx2 | Any specific to choose there? |
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| 10:49.37 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, seems like you have and cable internet and a wireless one |
| 10:50.45 | Jaxx2 | i do have a cable for internet,but i dont use it. and mynlaptop do have wireless |
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| 10:51.06 | maxcell_ | Idk how to install via wireless |
| 10:51.08 | Jaxx2 | *my laptop |
| 10:51.35 | maxcell_ | because i don't know if it will ask for your password or if you need to configure it by yourself (commands) |
| 10:51.42 | maxcell_ | never did it before |
| 10:51.53 | maxcell_ | git it a try |
| 10:51.55 | maxcell_ | give* |
| 10:52.02 | maxcell_ | chose qualcomm and see what happens |
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| 10:52.12 | Jaxx2 | well.. i can always redo the installation if i did it wrong |
| 10:52.19 | maxcell_ | yep |
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| 10:54.21 | Jaxx2 | u said right. first one the realtech didnt let me choose network right away |
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| 10:57.15 | jim | Jaxx2, as far as which interface to choose, do both have a connection? lots of times, it might be easier to do a wired connection, use that to install the packages you want... then use it to install stuff that's related to the wireless connection (like firmware) |
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| 10:57.42 | Jaxx2 | now for internet i have to set up network (domain name) |
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| 10:57.51 | sadevb | hello |
| 10:57.55 | jim | hi |
| 10:58.14 | Jaxx2 | and idk that |
| 10:58.23 | sadevb | i was here need help installing gpu driver for my laptop |
| 10:58.47 | sadevb | So I found that: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.48/README/supportedchips.html and my gpu listed there. it's from https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 |
| 10:58.52 | jim | well does dhcp get you an address? |
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| 11:00.18 | jim | you can probably go with the defaults (debian for hostname, and blank for domain name) |
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| 11:00.42 | ep__ | hi everybody. im struggling with the debian installation since yesterday. my board just supports textmode installation. for some reason the textmode installer is still trying to load the framebuffer while booting from the netiso. is there a "real" textmode initrd out there? |
| 11:01.22 | jim | initrds are generated |
| 11:01.28 | jim | (in debian) |
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| 11:01.37 | Jaxx2 | ive done 3 changes. installing linux mint kde snd cinnamon and now debian,so what if i do a mistake and have to redo it |
| 11:01.58 | Jaxx2 | i try |
| 11:02.13 | sadevb | help |
| 11:02.17 | sadevb | not sure if to do that |
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| 11:03.24 | Jaxx2 | and root pass i guess its pass to login to debian desktop isnt it? |
| 11:03.45 | ep__ | jim is there a parameter for vmlinuz to prevent loading the framebuffer? |
| 11:03.53 | maxcell_ | leave root password in blank Jaxx2 |
| 11:03.58 | maxcell_ | only put users password |
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| 11:04.09 | maxcell_ | and use sudo when you need admin privilages |
| 11:04.29 | Versalife | does sudo come preconfigured? |
| 11:04.30 | sadevb | someone experience with installing gpu driver? |
| 11:04.34 | sadevb | nvidia** |
| 11:04.43 | maxcell_ | Versalife, if you dont put and root password it does |
| 11:04.47 | maxcell_ | an* |
| 11:04.52 | Jaxx2 | so root pass isnt the pass to login to debian desktop? |
| 11:05.11 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, nop, its the root password, admins password |
| 11:05.14 | sadevb | dpkg :O |
| 11:05.18 | Versalife | Ok, I didn't know. Else that would have been bad :D |
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| 11:05.23 | sadevb | dpkg [~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg] has quit [Quit: buh bye!] LOL |
| 11:05.24 | Jaxx2 | ah ok. ty |
| 11:05.24 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, sadevb |
| 11:05.25 | jim | ep__, I don't know the answer to that unfortunately |
| 11:05.41 | maxcell_ | Versalife, yeah lol |
| 11:05.50 | sadevb | wtf |
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| 11:06.49 | jim | Versalife, I don't think sudo is installed by default |
| 11:07.09 | maxcell_ | jim, if you dont use a root password, it will |
| 11:07.34 | maxcell_ | i always do that |
| 11:07.39 | maxcell_ | on my own installs |
| 11:07.58 | jim | oh I didn't know that... when I install, I set a root password |
| 11:08.01 | Versalife | If this wasnt IRC I would think this is some kind of "Put your password here it will be censored automatically, wow" type thing lol |
| 11:08.03 | ssl_ | Hi, I'm running armbian on my odroid-xu4 and today, suddenly my ssh access stoppen working. I connected a screen to see what's happening and tried to manually start sshd with this error: sshd: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libkeyutils.so.1: unsupported version 8241 of Verdef record |
| 11:08.26 | ssl_ | I googled a little and this seems a pretty low level issue, any idea what could have caused it and how to solve? |
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| 11:10.00 | Versalife | Did you update anything and it did just now happen to crash? |
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| 11:11.02 | ssl_ | I didn't do anything to it, I use it to serve as a NAS but today I oculdn't access it anymore. yesterday it worked just fine |
| 11:11.34 | ssl_ | maybe some automated update broke it? |
| 11:11.47 | Versalife | If there are automated updates, maybe |
| 11:12.07 | Versalife | Something must have happened between first start and crash, so that it doesn't start anymore |
| 11:13.02 | sadevb | !nvidia |
| 11:13.03 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:13.34 | sadevb | !backports |
| 11:13.34 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 11:14.10 | maxcell_ | what the bot command to know nvidia driver versions of debian stable and testing? |
| 11:14.23 | sadevb | what? |
| 11:14.40 | sadevb | nvidia-check ? |
| 11:14.41 | maxcell_ | i wanna know the nvidia driver version of stable and testing versions of debian |
| 11:14.52 | maxcell_ | no just the versions that are on the repos |
| 11:15.16 | ssl_ | when manually checking the libkeyutils.so.1 file, it seems it was last changed a couple days ago... |
| 11:15.18 | sadevb | nvidia-detect ? |
| 11:15.25 | maxcell_ | no |
| 11:15.28 | sadevb | yes |
| 11:15.36 | maxcell_ | i dont get it |
| 11:15.41 | maxcell_ | you dont get it |
| 11:15.47 | sadevb | we dont get it |
| 11:15.47 | ssl_ | but I didn't login to this system in some time, so it must have been an automatic update |
| 11:15.49 | maxcell_ | i wanna know the versions available |
| 11:16.03 | sadevb | what is your gpu? |
| 11:16.16 | maxcell_ | i dont use legacy driver |
| 11:16.25 | maxcell_ | i use the 390.x |
| 11:16.25 | sadevb | your gpu model |
| 11:16.45 | Jaxx2 | ⢠Partitioning method: - Supervised: use largest contiguous free space. | Supervised: use the entire disk. | Supervised: Delete the entire disk and set up LVM. | Supervised: use the entire disk and set up encrypted LVM. | Manually. |
| 11:16.59 | sadevb | !paste Jaxx2 |
| 11:17.00 | dpkg | Jaxx2: put your output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 11:17.41 | Jaxx2 | so which one? |
| 11:17.55 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, do you want to format your entire disk? |
| 11:17.57 | Versalife | Do you want it on the entire disk or not? |
| 11:18.08 | Jaxx2 | yes. clean install |
| 11:19.03 | Versalife | Then probably 2nd or 3rd option, I like LVM but not everyone does I think |
| 11:19.17 | Jaxx2 | i guess "use entire disk". |
| 11:19.59 | ep__ | does anyone know how to disable the framebuffer during netiso bootup? "vmlinuz blacklist=vga16fb nomodeset" doesnt work :/ |
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| 11:20.11 | Jaxx2 | i dont want encryption or vlm.. didnt choose that when i installed linux mint kde and cinnamon |
| 11:21.49 | Jaxx2 | think i did it right |
| 11:22.04 | maxcell_ | mpv > vlc |
| 11:22.22 | maxcell_ | :~ |
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| 11:23.48 | Jaxx2 | btw. is there any chart which linux is used most? based on issues,peoples experience and ofcourse how its used etc |
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| 11:24.37 | maxcell_ | not really, good thing is that on debian you can install them all |
| 11:24.52 | Versalife | If distrowatch.com is accurate you can have a look there |
| 11:25.05 | maxcell_ | i think its more like a personal choice |
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| 11:25.11 | sadevb | somiaj: hi |
| 11:25.26 | sadevb | if i install this https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 how do i use it? |
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| 11:25.40 | sadevb | like i install and how is gpu used? |
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| 11:27.57 | Jaxx2 | now i need to setvup a debian mirror |
| 11:29.16 | Versalife | The one closest to you/fastest would probably the best choice |
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| 11:29.46 | Versalife | You can change that later as well |
| 11:29.50 | Jaxx2 | ftp.no.debian.org | ftp.uio.no | deb.debian.org | debian-archive.trafficmanager.net |
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| 11:31.02 | Jaxx2 | so lets say u lived in denmark,it woild b for u .dk |
| 11:31.05 | maxcell_ | do you guys thinks a firewall is needed for debian in desktop purposes? |
| 11:31.44 | Versalife | maxcell_, are you directly connected to an untrusted network? |
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| 11:32.12 | maxcell_ | hmm my house has wifi |
| 11:32.43 | Versalife | Jaxx2, the TLD gives an indication of where the server sits, yeah. But you never now if that server is any good. You can go with some official mirror and change later too if you want |
| 11:33.54 | Jaxx2 | since its debian i try deb.debian.org even though Im far away from where its located |
| 11:34.15 | Versalife | maxcell_, are you connected through a router of any sort? Usually that blocks every inbound unwanted connections anyway |
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| 11:34.56 | Versalife | Either because of NAT, or because it is the default setting |
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| 11:36.58 | maxcell_ | Well, the wifi modem is a router too, you can access this on https but, it doesn't seem to block anything, i can gaming and use torrent without any problem |
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| 11:37.45 | Jaxx2 | btw. when i set up and installed debian and all. does it haveva comnand to check what I choosed during the installation and setup? |
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| 11:38.46 | Versalife | maxcell_, thats not really saying anything. Try to host something on your machine and try to access it from e.g. the internet |
| 11:39.09 | maxcell_ | Versalife, i can do a ssh server without a problem |
| 11:39.12 | ssl_ | can't even use curl anymore :( |
| 11:39.14 | ssl_ | curl: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libkeyutils.so.1: unsupported version 8241 of Verdef record |
| 11:39.41 | ssl_ | how can I repair those *.so files? |
| 11:39.51 | Versalife | maxcell_, and you can connect to that from the internet, given you know your IP? |
| 11:39.57 | ssl_ | can I force them to be re-downloaded/re-compiled? |
| 11:39.58 | Versalife | maybe you do need a firewall |
| 11:40.36 | Versalife | ssl_, chances are they are not broken but newer than the installed applications can handle |
| 11:40.46 | maxcell_ | Versalife, in the case of the ssh server, i didn't try from the internet, i only connect from another inside ip address |
| 11:41.01 | Jaxx2 | Versalife: Is it? :) |
| 11:41.04 | Versalife | ssl_, maybe you just need to update that system |
| 11:41.18 | maxcell_ | Versalife, but yeah, i think it would work |
| 11:41.42 | maxcell_ | Versalife, my internet is pretty open |
| 11:41.47 | ssl_ | Versalife I did run sudo apt-get upgrade but it didn't solve it |
| 11:41.49 | maxcell_ | Versalife, |
| 11:41.51 | maxcell_ | sorry |
| 11:41.52 | Versalife | If you can connect from your WLAN/LAN it's not really an issue IMHO, except when you don't trust other member of that LAN |
| 11:41.55 | ssl_ | I have this error with many applications |
| 11:42.26 | maxcell_ | ssl_, tried apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:42.57 | Versalife | ssl_, strange. Maybe the maintainers of that distribution overlooked the dependencies of other packages on an older version or smth |
| 11:43.01 | ssl_ | yes |
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| 11:43.25 | Jaxx2 | ? |
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| 11:43.46 | ssl_ | Versalife is there anything I can do on my end? I'm running stock armbian |
| 11:44.38 | Versalife | Well I don't know armbian, but the quickest fix would probably be scouring their mirrors for an older version of the package that includes that .so and see if the armbian community know any better |
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| 11:44.54 | maxcell_ | Versalife, i'm thinking about configuring a firewall, how should i do that? refuse all connections and allowing applications to pass this protection? is that the way linux firewalls works? |
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| 11:47.21 | Versalife | You would need to read up on iptables or that new thing (dont know exactly about firewalls) and how to let established and related connection in, but block new ones that you didnt initiate |
| 11:47.25 | Versalife | that sort of thing |
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| 11:48.34 | maxcell_ | yeah thats not easy |
| 11:48.53 | maxcell_ | thanks tho |
| 11:48.59 | kazdax | did anyone have problems with thier internet connection on 26th may ? |
| 11:49.05 | maxcell_ | i asked only to have a clue |
| 11:49.06 | Jaxx2 | sorry but is it? |
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| 11:49.28 | Versalife | is what? |
| 11:50.14 | Jaxx2 | hold on |
| 11:50.47 | maxcell_ | Versalife, what DE you use? |
| 11:51.28 | Versalife | KDE |
| 11:51.37 | Jaxx2 | is there a command to check what choices i did during setup and installation of debian? |
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| 11:51.38 | Versalife | or cinnamon |
| 11:52.40 | maxcell_ | cool, any hint of how to make KDE more interesting? like, its a little boring after a while |
| 11:53.04 | maxcell_ | and i don't see any other DE that matches KDE in nowa days |
| 11:53.08 | kazdax | i might get cinnamon |
| 11:53.11 | kazdax | alot of people talk about it |
| 11:53.27 | maxcell_ | i dont like cinnamon |
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| 11:53.35 | maxcell_ | its lazy with nvidia prop drivers |
| 11:53.37 | Versalife | I pick a nice wallpaper, that's all lol |
| 11:53.57 | kazdax | i used one ofthemes from the KDE store |
| 11:54.02 | kazdax | if thats what it should be called |
| 11:54.12 | maxcell_ | Versalife, yeah, i want to modify the main-menu and find a way to use more icons on the main bar without being ugly |
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| 11:54.55 | maxcell_ | kde has nutts wallpapers |
| 11:55.24 | Jaxx2 | i guess its not possible |
| 11:55.55 | maxcell_ | i just finish copying kde-debian to pendrive |
| 11:56.10 | Versalife | Jaxx2, I don't know about that. Maybe you can get a list of installed packages from apt (but that would be very long) |
| 11:56.35 | maxcell_ | Jaxx2, try tasksel |
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| 11:57.50 | maxcell_ | do you guys know any overclock app for linux? |
| 11:57.54 | maxcell_ | nvidia cards |
| 11:58.05 | Jaxx2 | I see the question "Participate in package usage mapping?".. Is it recommended to answer yes? |
| 11:59.22 | Versalife | If you want to give feedback about your installed packages yes, if not no |
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| 12:00.03 | Jaxx2 | feedback as ib if there r bugs or issues? |
| 12:00.13 | maxcell_ | Versalife, imagine you doing a video for youtube, and the content of this video is, apt-get install * |
| 12:00.48 | Versalife | Jaxx2, no IIRC that is used to see what packages are actually installed by the userbase |
| 12:01.03 | Jaxx2 | ah i see |
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| 12:01.33 | Versalife | maxcell_, I don't think that would even work |
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| 12:01.57 | maxcell_ | Versalife, lol |
| 12:02.06 | maxcell_ | i never tried |
| 12:02.48 | Versalife | I think bash would substitute the files in your PWD and apt would get upset lol |
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| 12:03.07 | maxcell_ | hahah |
| 12:03.24 | maxcell_ | the bash buffer would overflow |
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| 12:11.01 | maxcell_ | I tried to install debian stable and when it boot, my mouse and keyboard doesn't stop flashing and didn't work |
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| 12:11.59 | maxcell_ | So i downloaded the live CD, it booted to the graphical but mouse and keyboard still aren't working |
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| 12:13.17 | maxcell_ | I've booted with nomodeset" |
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| 12:13.51 | alan_atwood | maxcell what hardware? |
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| 12:15.13 | maxcell_ | alan_atwood, razer deathadder and pcyes nemesis |
| 12:16.53 | alan_atwood | not familiar. sorry. I had Deb jessie running on a Dell PII-266 laptop w/ 128 Mb of ram. 8) |
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| 12:20.07 | maxcell_ | when stable comes out for the first time, 9.0 / 9.1 worked fine |
| 12:20.11 | maxcell_ | something has changed |
| 12:20.16 | maxcell_ | :) |
| 12:20.42 | alan_atwood | maxcell_: one thing you might try - burn a disk of debian testing and see if it has HW support you need. |
| 12:21.50 | alan_atwood | maxcell_: I used to run testing on laptops all the time when stable didn't have the support needed. It is actually about as stable as anyone else's production code. |
| 12:22.47 | maxcell_ | yeah |
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| 12:23.37 | maxcell_ | disappointed lol |
| 12:24.57 | maxcell_ | they may have changed the generic kernel |
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| 12:25.18 | Versalife | alan_atwood, that is the reason why I use testing on everything execept maybe a production server. Testing is as stable as most distros "stable" |
| 12:25.32 | Versalife | Except I rarely use debian at all lately |
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| 12:26.33 | dvs | !lart Versalife |
| 12:26.33 | dpkg | beats Versalife senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 12:27.37 | alan_atwood | I have a couple of laptops on debian. Main server is an old ASUS server MB in a supermicro case. 2 Xeon 4-core 2.3Ghz and 24 Gb of ram running VirtualBox on Kubuntu 16. I play with EVERYTHING in a VM |
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| 12:30.59 | jelly | maxcell_, how does this mouse "flash" and how does the keyboard do it? |
| 12:31.17 | maxcell_ | jelly, it has lights |
| 12:31.22 | jelly | maxcell_, do they work any different if you plug them in after the system boots? |
| 12:31.31 | maxcell_ | it flashs like it is turn off and on over and over |
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| 12:32.03 | maxcell_ | i tried to remove the mouse and plug it again, didn't work |
| 12:32.17 | jelly | does it still power up and flash? |
| 12:32.33 | maxcell_ | power up, turn lights on them off over and over |
| 12:32.41 | jelly | weird |
| 12:33.01 | jelly | tried a different usb port just to make sure? |
| 12:33.09 | maxcell_ | tried with the keyboard |
| 12:33.23 | maxcell_ | after boot, i plug it in another usb port |
| 12:33.27 | maxcell_ | same behavior |
| 12:33.46 | maxcell_ | but i didn't try to boot without them on |
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| 12:34.35 | jelly | try that first then. Can you ssh in from a second machine (phone, tablet) in the same network? |
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| 12:35.32 | maxcell_ | didn't try but i think i can, the X initiate normally |
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| 12:36.10 | TandyUK | maxcell_: which lights specifically? |
| 12:36.22 | maxcell_ | mouse and keyboard has leds |
| 12:36.31 | TandyUK | not numlock/caps/etc? |
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| 12:36.38 | maxcell_ | no, all leds |
| 12:36.44 | maxcell_ | like turn on and off |
| 12:36.50 | TandyUK | i think its scollock and caps lock lights that will flash is theres a kernel panic |
| 12:36.50 | maxcell_ | repetedly |
| 12:36.57 | TandyUK | but just the 2 of them |
| 12:37.09 | maxcell_ | no no kernel panic |
| 12:37.22 | maxcell_ | its like when you remove the mouse form USB and put it again |
| 12:37.43 | Versalife | Is it re-enumerating in dmesg? |
| 12:37.51 | maxcell_ | idk |
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| 12:38.23 | maxcell_ | let me see |
| 12:38.58 | maxcell_ | but i will try with testing now |
| 12:39.14 | maxcell_ | because i already copy it to the pendrive |
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| 12:44.22 | maxcell_ | It was actually worse, the keyboard stuck (numlock didn't work) and black screen |
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| 12:44.26 | maxcell_ | nevermind guys |
| 12:44.53 | maxcell_ | i wont try to install again |
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| 12:50.28 | alan_atwood | maxcell_: understood. |
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| 12:51.48 | Versalife | maxcell_, but you didnt have everything plugged in a passive usb hub right? (just to make sure) |
| 12:52.03 | maxcell_ | no |
| 12:53.21 | maxcell_ | i have a usb soundcard pluged in for headphone and a normal p2 pluged in in the internal soundcard |
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| 12:53.33 | maxcell_ | can it being at conflict? |
| 12:53.58 | maxcell_ | arg |
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| 12:54.05 | maxcell_ | i hate it |
| 12:54.09 | maxcell_ | nvm |
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| 13:13.49 | kazdax | so vim or emacs ? |
| 13:13.54 | kazdax | i havnt tried emacs |
| 13:14.02 | kazdax | but vim i have tried and it seems really cool |
| 13:14.19 | kazdax | i mean with the commands you can do so much and its so much quicker than a GUI application like MS word |
| 13:15.12 | Javabean | please don't try a comparison between vim and emacs in this channel. |
| 13:15.32 | kazdax | k |
| 13:15.39 | kazdax | i think ill stick with vim for now |
| 13:15.52 | han-solo | vim |
| 13:16.04 | han-solo | :} |
| 13:16.04 | Javabean | they are both said to be good text editors |
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| 13:19.55 | blackflow | no flamewars, it's a thing of the past, everyone knows vim won. |
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| 13:20.55 | kazdax | i started an old rivarly :D |
| 13:21.38 | Javabean | enhance your calm, enhance your calm... this is a debian support channel, we are all friendemy's here |
| 13:22.09 | kazdax | yea |
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| 13:22.16 | kazdax | hey its been a month since i installed debian |
| 13:22.22 | kazdax | i really like my operating system |
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| 13:22.35 | Javabean | congratulations |
| 13:22.47 | kazdax | not had a single problem with it |
| 13:23.00 | kazdax | netflix , youtube and every other thing works without any problems |
| 13:23.05 | kazdax | this wasnt a case say 10 years ago |
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| 13:23.23 | kazdax | only problem that i might have faced was that there are no good ATI drivers |
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| 13:23.37 | kazdax | but then i had a nividia card ..i installed that and now i have full resolution |
| 13:23.45 | Javabean | honestly can't remember when he first started using debian... thinks it might be wheezy |
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| 13:24.42 | Versalife | I think I started Debian with Dapper Drake, it was a really good version |
| 13:24.54 | kazdax | i am currently going to study for the RHCSA and RHCSE certifications |
| 13:25.02 | kazdax | and get a job as a linux sys admin |
| 13:25.11 | kazdax | but i want to also do system programming on linux |
| 13:25.22 | kazdax | or atleast get invovled int he open source community |
| 13:25.32 | jelly | Versalife, dapper, however, was an ubuntu release not debian |
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| 13:25.34 | kazdax | hey versa you here to :D |
| 13:25.44 | kazdax | too* |
| 13:26.02 | Javabean | kazdax, remember you don't need to program to be able to help the FOSS community |
| 13:26.16 | Versalife | jelly, oh really ;) Then it must have been Sarge, I still remember that I had to use Lynx to find out how to get my nvidia card running |
| 13:26.33 | Versalife | kazdax, yup :D |
| 13:26.37 | kazdax | java how else can i support ? |
| 13:26.47 | kazdax | cool so your a debian user too :D |
| 13:27.02 | Versalife | not anymore I'm not |
| 13:27.06 | jelly | we kind of assume all the people in here are Debian users |
| 13:27.24 | jelly | since this is a support channel for Debian |
| 13:27.34 | kazdax | what package manager is the one that compiles source code and then isntalls |
| 13:27.39 | kazdax | its not the debian apt-get is it ? |
| 13:27.42 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 13:27.42 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:27.47 | Javabean | documentation, user support, bug hunting, alpha/beta testing, (insome cases) contributing art, lots and lots of ways, kazdax |
| 13:27.57 | kazdax | yea |
| 13:28.07 | cybrNaut | kazdax: netflix was in bed with Microsoft, and req. MS Silverlight for DRM shit last i checked. around 2016 when I tried to access netflix on debian, it was fucked.. only an Ubuntu PPA was around w/black box s/w. Has that changed? |
| 13:28.21 | kazdax | yea |
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| 13:28.41 | kazdax | you can access netflixs now |
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| 13:28.43 | kazdax | no problems |
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| 13:28.54 | cybrNaut | interesting |
| 13:29.00 | cybrNaut | w/out a black box? |
| 13:29.09 | Javabean | kazdax, try apt-build for building and installing from "source code" |
| 13:29.10 | kazdax | what do you mean by a black box ? |
| 13:29.15 | cybrNaut | i mean blob |
| 13:29.25 | cybrNaut | binary blob |
| 13:29.28 | jelly | cybrNaut, blob required |
| 13:29.52 | kazdax | well you have to tell the mozilla browsers to enable DRM |
| 13:29.58 | cybrNaut | ok, that's what I figured.. bit of a showstopper for me |
| 13:30.15 | kazdax | why does it make a difference you can still view netflix |
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| 13:30.23 | kazdax | is it a security risk of somekind ? |
| 13:30.34 | kazdax | enabling DRM on the browser ? |
| 13:30.37 | jelly | it's untrusted, unauditable code |
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| 13:30.39 | cybrNaut | binary blobs are a security risk |
| 13:30.47 | kazdax | ahh |
| 13:30.53 | cybrNaut | and also, the ethics are questionable too |
| 13:31.09 | cybrNaut | (ethics of blobs, and ethics of DRM) |
| 13:31.16 | kazdax | hmm |
| 13:31.17 | Javabean | don't forget, binary blobs are often even more buggy than the sid repo |
| 13:31.33 | kazdax | that sounds awefull |
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| 13:31.41 | kazdax | and i am paranoid as hell when i want to be |
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| 13:32.06 | kazdax | looks like the only way to run netflix without causing a security risk to your computer would be to run windows in VM and view from there ? |
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| 13:32.42 | kazdax | because even dual boot would be hectic ...booting up just to windows to watch netflix |
| 13:32.58 | cybrNaut | kazdax: sandboxing would protect things to an extent.. if I want to bend over backwards to give Netflix business |
| 13:33.09 | Javabean | considering how many malicious softwares attack windows, even a vm for it might not be safe |
| 13:33.10 | jelly | Javabean, well I haven't seen widevine (DRM library used by netflix) crash ever in the last 3 years of usage |
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| 13:33.39 | jelly | there is no open alternative in sid or anywhere |
| 13:33.45 | Javabean | shrugs and points out that as a single library in a forest of them |
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| 13:35.17 | jelly | what forest of blobs are debian users going to see really, it's firmware and nvidia and this thing |
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| 13:35.31 | jelly | and... nothing else |
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| 13:35.43 | Javabean | my comment wasn't restricted to debian |
| 13:35.59 | jelly | the context _is_ Debian in here |
| 13:36.04 | cybrNaut | i also don't like that Netflix drug tests their employees, violating their privacy and lifestyle choices outside the workplace, and they supported CISA. |
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| 13:36.27 | jelly | otherwise I'd have to shoo the whole conversation off to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:37.00 | Versalife | is netflix hosted on debian servers? |
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| 13:38.22 | cybrNaut | Versalife: they're in bed w/Microsoft & likely using MS servers, but i've not dug into it |
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| 13:39.04 | siraben | What GTK and icon themes are you using? |
| 13:39.21 | siraben | I'm using GTK+: Arc-Darker and Icons: Paper |
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| 13:45.52 | reginildo | hi everyone |
| 13:48.01 | JohnA | Recommedation for a backup system, preferably with GUI. was using sbackup. |
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| 13:50.27 | dutchfish | JohnA, FS level or block level? |
| 13:50.58 | siraben | JohnA: I'm using Déjà Dup |
| 13:51.06 | siraben | JohnA: Very easy to use. |
| 13:51.13 | Versalife | write some rsync script/cronjob |
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| 13:53.06 | jelly | JohnA, what's your data storage, local disk, remote share, remote server, tapes? |
| 13:53.16 | JohnA | dutchfish: FS, sbackup had a nice logarithmic BU n*yearly, n*monthly this y, n*weekly ... GUI would be nice for restore as makes selecting which BU U want |
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| 13:54.28 | JohnA | jelly: local removable HDD. |
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| 14:00.05 | dutchfish | JohnA, i strugle with the gui part, because i automate those things, hence i dont want a gui. But you could try rsnapshot, burp, Back in time, Fwbackups. There are more, some not included in Debian. |
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| 14:01.34 | dutchfish | JohnA, it also depends on your wm, like Kbackup (which needs kde) |
| 14:02.10 | dutchfish | JohnA, i think an rsync script is hard to beat |
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| 14:09.21 | user336 | help |
| 14:09.24 | dutchfish | JohnA, also maybe a fair warning, not all backup tools preserve permissions, owner rights etc. Test it carefully. |
| 14:09.26 | user336 | sory |
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| 14:12.21 | sacules | dutchfish: using rsync with -a does preserve those i think |
| 14:12.42 | dutchfish | sacules, yes. I was merely talking about the others with a GUI |
| 14:13.05 | sacules | fairs |
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| 14:24.58 | JohnA | dutchfish: the GUI part is for the restore I have found it useful if I have to restore something. usually after I have f.... up. You may not want the latest BU, but the one before u made simple change that wasn't |
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| 14:42.11 | hdt551 | I am working on a custom install (Stretch) running from a usb drive. |
| 14:42.39 | hdt551 | This drive may be used in many different types of machines but I want to always assign a static IP address to the network port, |
| 14:42.51 | hdt551 | or one active port if there are multiple interfaces. |
| 14:43.20 | hdt551 | This is a problem because different machines have different names used for the network ports. |
| 14:44.06 | hdt551 | I can't find a way to say something like "iface * inet static" for instance |
| 14:44.39 | somiaj | You can disable the predicitable network naming by using net.ifnames=0 as a boot line parameter, and provided each only has a single network it should default to etho0 as before |
| 14:45.03 | somiaj | You could also look at how the live system does this to determine what the inteface name is at boot. |
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| 14:45.19 | hdt551 | It could be a server with 4 or 8 ports. |
| 14:45.19 | litb | hello all |
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| 14:45.44 | litb | i'm just installing debian sid, and I've done the install-stretch + downgrade to testing + downgrade to unstable dance |
| 14:45.57 | hdt551 | As far as I know live systems always do some type of dhcp. |
| 14:46.02 | litb | but I can't get xorg-xserver to install |
| 14:46.16 | somiaj | hdt551: I was meaning in terms of determing what network card to use. |
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| 14:46.37 | litb | it complains about the dependency xorg-xserver-core, saying that it has no installation candidate |
| 14:46.37 | somiaj | hdt551: with multiple cards/interfaces, even if they were named nicely, how would you know which one to use at boot? |
| 14:46.40 | litb | how to proceed? |
| 14:46.50 | hdt551 | somija: do you know if the net.ifnames=0 still works on stretch? |
| 14:47.11 | somiaj | hdt551: it does, this way you could at least just call it eth0 and bring up eth0 (First device found) |
| 14:47.48 | somiaj | litb: a few things, first debian sid questions should be asked in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Second it is upgrade, not downgrade, and last I think xorg is curretly broken in sid |
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| 14:48.21 | litb | somiaj: ohh i see. i'm sorry, i will continue in debian-next |
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| 14:48.47 | litb | sadly, it seems it's invite-only |
| 14:48.50 | hdt551 | somiaj: That would be exactly what I want (I suppose no matter what the hardware, inside the kernel all ports start as eth0,eth1 etc) |
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| 14:49.28 | somiaj | litb: read the full statement I gave you, '#debian-next on irc.oftc.net' |
| 14:49.51 | somiaj | hdt551: I think that is the best you can do, unless you wrote some tool that would prompt you which one to use at boot if there are multiple available. |
| 14:50.00 | litb | somiaj: ohh i see |
| 14:50.13 | litb | thanks again, i'm somewhat stupid today |
| 14:50.30 | hdt551 | somiaj: I will give it a try, thanks so much! |
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| 14:54.39 | litb | sources.list contains two lines: the "unstable main" of the ftp.de.debian.org mirrors . i commented out the other things that the installer created (like security update sources and stretch-update) |
| 14:54.49 | litb | wrong window, sorry |
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| 15:03.20 | Wotac | is it normal that snap is the slowest thing in my boot process |
| 15:04.11 | somiaj | usnure I don't use snap. Also unsure what snap would be doing in your boot process? Did you install some service with snap? |
| 15:05.34 | Wotac | i don't remember how many things i've installed via snap, i can only remember discord and telegram-cli but they shouldn't be starting on their own at boot |
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| 15:06.37 | somiaj | well look at the actual service that is taking time, and try to figure out what it is doing. I personally dont' use snap so can't say much. I prefer to stick to software in the debian repo. |
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| 15:08.29 | Wotac | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.32 | Wotac | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.38 | Wotac | those are the largest ones |
| 15:08.44 | jan | linux |
| 15:09.34 | somiaj | Wotac: so look at the logs, systemctl show snapd and see if you can figure out what is taking it so long. |
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| 15:28.19 | Wotac | looks like i might have guessed the issue wrong |
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| 15:28.59 | Wotac | i uninstalled snap and edited networkmanager to wait 10 instead of 30 like someone in google result suggested, but the boot still takes ages |
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| 15:29.55 | Wotac | it's decently fast all the way to login but DE won't open after that, it's just blank screen with a default wallpaper which isn't even the same wallpaper that i have set |
| 15:30.06 | Wotac | but if i move the mouse it opens up |
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| 15:30.44 | Wotac | and if i won't move it i can wait over a minute and nothing happens |
| 15:31.04 | somiaj | maybe you are affected by this, one second |
| 15:31.20 | somiaj | !cve-2018-1108 |
| 15:31.20 | dpkg | cve-2018-1108 is probably a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot. Delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. Can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login, esp with LUKS enabled. Short term workarounds: Wiggle mouse/tap keyboard a lot, install rng-tools5 or haveged pkgs, or boot previous kernel |
| 15:31.28 | somiaj | Wotac: what verrsion of debian are you running? |
| 15:31.38 | Wotac | i have sid and cinnamon DE |
| 15:32.12 | somiaj | Well in the future, bring debian sid questions to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:32.47 | somiaj | and that bug should be fixed in sid, if you have been upgrading and are running the current kernel in sid |
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| 15:33.57 | blackflow | why is haveged listed as short term workaround? I always install it on linux, it's a nice thing. |
| 15:34.17 | blackflow | should be installed by default, that's what I mean. |
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| 15:35.17 | somiaj | an optional package that should be upto the user deciding if they want it or not. In general the kernel should be good enough to not need it (and this has been fixed in newer kernels) |
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| 15:36.13 | Wotac | my kernel is 4.16.0-2-amd64 and i still have that issue, but maybe i'll install that haveged then |
| 15:37.21 | somiaj | Wotac: what is the actual kernel version? 4.16.12-1? Anyways sid questions should be in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:37.46 | Wotac | i installed haveged and rebooted and it's fast now |
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| 15:41.42 | Mazhive_one | how can wwould i been able to ping only on hostname i can ping hostname.local do i need to change the hosts file in /etc/ |
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| 15:42.39 | somiaj | Mazhive_one: sure edit /etc/hosts and put the hostname you want |
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| 15:44.02 | Mazhive_one | would others been able to ping in this local network ?/ |
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| 15:44.24 | somiaj | Mazhive_one: /etc/hosts file only affects your local machine. |
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| 15:45.00 | Mazhive_one | oke how would i been able to fix this for others ??? |
| 15:45.08 | somiaj | Mazhive_one: you would need some local nameserver |
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| 15:45.59 | Mazhive_one | oh oke i have pre configured mine on the router do i have to add my routers ip to use the dns name for local network dns |
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| 15:47.49 | somiaj | your ocmputer will need to know what dns to use, most likely the router will be sufficent |
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| 15:49.01 | Mazhive_one | oke thnx |
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| 15:50.03 | somiaj | there is also a 'search' option you can add to your resolv.conf file. Anyways what you want is possible, I'm not just sure on the details |
| 15:51.00 | Mazhive_one | i found something to add a third dns on my specific routers firmware so i think i got it .. thanx for directing me to the right direction...:) |
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| 16:00.18 | Kratos[Debian] | Hello .. im on debian now |
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| 16:00.29 | Kratos[Debian] | And i need some help |
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| 16:33.05 | Kratos[Debian] | Can somene heere help me with debian and how to install Tor browser with fingerprint,pgp,sha and all that using command,a all-in-one command? it seems the ones in tor channel another network expect me as a prson who dont know anything about debian yet to read docs and do it |
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| 16:33.38 | somiaj | I don't think there is a single command. |
| 16:33.57 | somiaj | ,v torbrowser-launcher |
| 16:33.58 | judd | Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.2.9-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.2.9-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.2.9-3; sid/contrib: 0.2.9-3; experimental/contrib: 0.3.0~dev-1~exp2 |
| 16:34.10 | rbo | Kratos[Debian] if you're asking that question I think that you might want to learn linux altogether in the first place. |
| 16:34.21 | Kratos[Debian] | i know there is,someone showed me.. let me show the command.. idk if is right,so i show anyway.. hold on |
| 16:34.33 | somiaj | the torbrowser-launcher package from stretch-backports is most likely what you want, it should automate downloading and running tor, but due to tor having to change to keep up, debian only provides the launcher to download tore |
| 16:34.50 | Kratos[Debian] | cd ~/Downloads && torsocks wget https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/7.5.4/tor-browser-linux64-7.5.4_en-US.tar.xz && torsocks wget https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/7.5.4/tor-browser-linux64-7.5.4_en-US.tar.xz.asc && sudo apt install gnupg dirmngr -y && torsocks gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0x4E2C6E8793298290 && gpg --fingerprint 0x4E2C6E8793298290 && gpg --verify tor-browser-linux64-7.5.4_ |
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| 16:35.16 | Kratos[Debian] | see that? thats what the person showed me.. that way.. idk if its correct.. but thats what i tried,but nothing helped |
| 16:35.28 | jhutchins | Kratos[Debian]: That's how this stuff works, it's "free" but you have to learn how to manage it. Running commands you get off the internet when you don't understand what they're doing is dangerous. |
| 16:35.42 | somiaj | Debian dosen't fully support third party stuff like that. I would use the torbrowser-launcher package from stretch-backports if it works (it should automate some of that) |
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| 16:35.58 | Kratos[Debian] | its a person who know about debian that showed me,not from internet |
| 16:36.06 | somiaj | though there are users here who use tor that could help with how to properly use it on debian. |
| 16:36.21 | jhutchins | !handbook |
| 16:36.21 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 16:36.43 | Kratos[Debian] | reading docs and all will just take longer for me |
| 16:37.21 | jhutchins | Kratos[Debian]: torsox isn't part of debian, so you're going to have to start further back. |
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| 16:38.08 | bites | torsocks is packaged in debian. |
| 16:38.21 | Kratos[Debian] | So whats the whole command from downloading it,to install it with pgp,fingerprint,sha and all that. it was using a all-in-one command (the &&) |
| 16:38.26 | jhutchins | ,v torsox |
| 16:38.27 | judd | No package named 'torsox' was found in amd64. |
| 16:38.35 | jhutchins | ,v torsocks |
| 16:38.36 | judd | Package: torsocks on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2-3; wheezy-backports: 2.0.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.0-3; jessie-backports: 2.2.0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.2.0-2; sid: 2.2.0-2 |
| 16:38.39 | jhutchins | So it is. |
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| 16:38.57 | jhutchins | Kratos[Debian]: Yes, it takes longer, that's the price for "free" software. |
| 16:39.00 | bites | but that's a bunch of work just to download the tor browser through tor with little benefit. |
| 16:39.37 | jhutchins | Kratos[Debian]: That's multiple commands strung together, not a single command. |
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| 16:39.39 | Kratos[Debian] | not that way. i mean instead of have someone to explain step by step so i can finish it,i get links to read which takes longer |
| 16:39.54 | bites | and you would first need to install tor and torsocks anyway so what do you win? |
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| 16:40.51 | Kratos[Debian] | so again.. whats the whole command using && |
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| 16:44.25 | bites | it downloads the tor browser throgh the tor network instead of directly from torproject.org. && means the command on the right side will only run if the one on the left side returns without error. what exactly do you want to know? |
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| 16:46.10 | somiaj | woudln't the torbrowser-launcher script be just fine for this? Or is it not working again? |
| 16:46.39 | Kratos[Debian] | i have tried to explain the best i can, bites.. but everytime i have to try explain again. im new to debian and it really confuse me. all i need is to use all-in-one command that allows me from downloading tor browser to install it and it was used fingerprint,pgp,sha etc in the command.. |
| 16:47.28 | Kratos[Debian] | thats the best way to explain for me.. |
| 16:47.50 | rbo | hi Kratos[Debian] |
| 16:47.56 | Kratos[Debian] | hi |
| 16:47.58 | rbo | why do you need an all in one command? |
| 16:48.01 | bites | and what's wrong with what you pasted above? |
| 16:48.03 | Necrony | what if its not 1 command? is that big problem? |
| 16:48.08 | rbo | "all in one" and not all in 1 is the same thing |
| 16:48.21 | rbo | you just enter in each command one by one and it will work. |
| 16:48.22 | Kratos[Debian] | Thats not what I wanted |
| 16:48.31 | Kratos[Debian] | I explained |
| 16:48.34 | rbo | linux is a lot of "not what we want" |
| 16:48.53 | FinalX | Kratos[Debian]: it's never one command to begin with. && stands for "when the previous command is succesful, do the command that follows now" |
| 16:48.54 | rbo | it's a lot of work you have to take it seriously. Anyways. please paste your command in here again because I'm too lazy to scroll through my terminal. |
| 16:48.57 | Kratos[Debian] | nvm |
| 16:48.58 | bites | you explained nothing coherent. |
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| 16:49.17 | rbo | rofl |
| 16:49.24 | rbo | I was literally about to fix it for him |
| 16:49.26 | rbo | anyways -_- |
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| 16:50.15 | bites | well, that was a waste of time. |
| 16:50.20 | Necrony | sounds to me: some guy gives me one command, but it doesnt work on my machine, i dont wanna read, just give me the one command :D or i rage quit, format and install xp |
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| 16:52.04 | bites | looks like the script was meant to hide that you downloaded the tor browser in the first place. |
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| 16:59.41 | rbo | fuck... I love linux. |
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| 17:00.31 | denken | win 1 |
| 17:00.34 | denken | sigh. |
| 17:00.42 | rbo | windows 10? |
| 17:01.01 | denken | sometimes, you drop a preceding / ;) |
| 17:01.18 | rbo | lol |
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| 17:23.23 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 17:23.23 | dpkg | <Nesh108> I made a stupid mistake and I'd like to fix it. I basically put a script in /etc/init.d with a while true loop. now the system doesn't boot up :( |
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| 17:56.33 | jelly | that was just a quote from the Quote of the Day (qotd) set |
| 17:56.41 | jelly | !qotd0 |
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| 18:08.16 | annadane | no; the idea is to have them all reproducible for buster, though |
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| 18:14.58 | annadane | yes, AFAIK |
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| 18:33.14 | Nothing4You | just using btrfs itself is possible |
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| 19:59.06 | deadman36g | I have enabled remote login and installed osxfuse and sshfs on my mac, and I can connect with simple ssh command, but from my debian based box I am wanting to connect via sshfs but am running into issues and need some guidance. The command I am using is sshfs -o allow_other root@192.168.1.143:/ /srv/mac4/ |
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| 20:05.43 | micw_ | Hi. Seems that zfs on stretch backports is broken for 1 month now ;-( The corresponding bug is already closed (fixed in testing): https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897568 - does anyone know when this will be in stretch-backports? |
| 20:05.44 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/897568 in zfs-dkms (closed): «zfs-dkms 0.7.6 fails to build on 4.16.0-1-amd64»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-05-03; last modified: 2018-05-17. |
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| 20:14.50 | Nothing4You | deadman36g: you want to mount the path from your mac on your debian? |
| 20:15.37 | deadman36g | correct, I think my problem was using root with sshfs |
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| 20:15.49 | annadane | micw_, i would perhaps say (not sure) politely contact the maintainer... i'm not sure what else one can do in a situation like that |
| 20:15.52 | Nothing4You | then you don't have any need for oxsfuse / sshfs on your mac |
| 20:15.59 | Nothing4You | that's only for the other way round |
| 20:16.23 | Nothing4You | what user do you use to login on the mac via ssh? |
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| 20:17.11 | micw_ | annadane, I'm about to write an email. I just wondered if I'm the only one who stumbles over this (and related) issues on each single kernel update |
| 20:17.28 | annadane | ah yeah, i can see why it's an issue |
| 20:17.43 | Nothing4You | deadman36g: one issue i had a few days ago with sshfs (other way round, probably still applies though) was that it was using remote permissions for my mounted items |
| 20:18.00 | Nothing4You | and i had to pass -o uid=x -o gid=x |
| 20:18.14 | Nothing4You | that will override any uid/guid on the remote server with my local stuff |
| 20:18.21 | Nothing4You | where x is your uid / guid |
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| 20:18.28 | Nothing4You | s/guid/gid/ |
| 20:18.43 | micw_ | annadane, because zfs stops to work on literally each kernel upgrade in stretch backports |
| 20:19.01 | micw_ | so if youb use it as your fs, each upgrade breaks the system |
| 20:19.31 | annadane | i wonder whether opening a new bug would be advisable, maybe a wishlist for transfer to backports |
| 20:19.49 | annadane | that way other people with similar problems can contribute their view and the discussion can be open |
| 20:20.25 | annadane | though AFAIK zfs uses a different license, thus it's in contrib |
| 20:20.29 | annadane | i could be wrong about that |
| 20:20.43 | annadane | but even so, that shouldn't be an impediment to anythijng |
| 20:22.13 | micw_ | yeah, the license issue is really annoying. If ther would be a different FS that has similar features and is prod-ready, I'd switch over |
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| 20:23.06 | annadane | well, i'm not wrong about that's why it's in contrib, i mean i'm wrong that it would block a transfer to backports |
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| 20:25.04 | micw_ | I fear for me it means that I either stay with debian or with zfs :-( |
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| 20:26.05 | annadane | "apt prefers unstable" =/ |
| 20:26.25 | annadane | yeah... well, either contact the maintainer or perhaps submit a new bug report under wishlist, i guess |
| 20:26.45 | micw_ | how do I do the latter? |
| 20:27.04 | micw_ | ("under wishlist") |
| 20:27.12 | annadane | if you use reportbug, it gives you an option |
| 20:27.28 | annadane | i don't really submit bugs via email, if you wanted to instead use email... so i wouldn't automatically know how it's done |
| 20:27.41 | annadane | i can probably find a "how to submit bugs" page |
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| 20:28.31 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting is the sort of generic page, my initial guess is you can probably just include in the body of the email "severity: wishlist" |
| 20:28.39 | annadane | and they'll presumably assign it accordingly |
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| 20:28.56 | micw_ | I try this ;) |
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| 20:32.48 | itachiu | hi |
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| 20:38.18 | DarkiYahu | hi |
| 20:38.19 | DarkiYahu | Shalom |
| 20:38.21 | DarkiYahu | How are you all |
| 20:39.13 | micw_ | what could cause my cpu to run always on a high frequency? system is >97% idle |
| 20:39.33 | micw_ | if i set max_frequency to a lower value, it scales down |
| 20:39.50 | micw_ | but it runs always on the max alowed frequency |
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| 20:41.12 | annadane | micw_, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897568#29 |
| 20:41.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/897568 in zfs-dkms (closed): «zfs-dkms 0.7.6 fails to build on 4.16.0-1-amd64»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-05-03; last modified: 2018-05-17. |
| 20:41.27 | annadane | the previous message - 24 - asks the question |
| 20:41.34 | annadane | still, may still be worth opening a new report |
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| 20:42.54 | micw_ | annadane, I did a minute ago |
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| 21:05.25 | QcR | it tries to send email to root@hostname instead of user@example.com |
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| 21:15.49 | DarkiYahu | anyone know how to use libsensors? |
| 21:15.55 | DarkiYahu | what commands is used for it |
| 21:16.00 | DarkiYahu | it seems it is installed |
| 21:16.14 | DarkiYahu | lib sensors4 |
| 21:16.17 | DarkiYahu | is installed |
| 21:17.26 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: hm, sensors-detect, then sensors? |
| 21:18.26 | DarkiYahu | It does not seem to be there |
| 21:18.28 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: hddtemp /dev/sd? could be useful too maybe |
| 21:18.52 | useless-eater | lm-sensors maybe |
| 21:19.02 | DarkiYahu | I could of cause install lmsensors... but it seems lmsensors 4 is already install |
| 21:19.16 | DarkiYahu | so I thought there would be something on that... |
| 21:19.53 | useless-eater | guess you have to run sensors-detect as root or sudo |
| 21:20.52 | DarkiYahu | il try |
| 21:21.02 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: but hm, if the executables are missing, then not sure what could have happened |
| 21:21.02 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ sensors-detect |
| 21:21.03 | DarkiYahu | bash: sensors-detect: command not found |
| 21:21.27 | DarkiYahu | what is hddtemp /dev/sd? |
| 21:21.36 | DarkiYahu | can that be run in terminal? |
| 21:21.47 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ hddtemp /dev/sda |
| 21:21.48 | DarkiYahu | bash: hddtemp: command not found |
| 21:22.01 | DarkiYahu | well, maybe I should should download the other sensor thing. |
| 21:22.03 | useless-eater | apt-get install hddtemp first |
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| 21:26.40 | DarkiYahu | useless-eater, whats the difference between hddtemp and sensors? |
| 21:26.50 | DarkiYahu | lm-sensors |
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| 21:27.44 | DarkiYahu | well sensors now works after installing that |
| 21:27.48 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ sensors |
| 21:27.48 | DarkiYahu | acpitz-virtual-0 |
| 21:27.48 | DarkiYahu | Adapter: Virtual device |
| 21:27.48 | DarkiYahu | temp1: +87.0°C (crit = +99.0°C) |
| 21:27.48 | DarkiYahu | coretemp-isa-0000 |
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| 21:28.00 | DarkiYahu | Core 3: +78.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C) |
| 21:28.11 | DarkiYahu | should be 8 cores. |
| 21:28.15 | annadane | DarkiYahu, if it's a lot of lines, consider pasting to paste.debian.net, otherwise you get kicked, as demonstrated |
| 21:28.39 | DarkiYahu | I see - I pretty much saw that I got kicked |
| 21:28.47 | DarkiYahu | not sure what paste debian.net is |
| 21:28.51 | DarkiYahu | but anyway il be more careful |
| 21:29.03 | imp | DarkiYahu: check it out http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:29.08 | annadane | it's where people post their output because otherwise it spams the channel |
| 21:29.27 | DarkiYahu | But not many writing at the moment anyway - but i get it. There is a lot of people |
| 21:29.49 | DarkiYahu | One can use Temp output in Conky? |
| 21:30.23 | imp | that is one more reason to not post. Everyline you post will be replicated to 1600 ppl, it's unecessary. Just send a singe line. Also IRC doesn't has tabs or formats. |
| 21:31.11 | DarkiYahu | I do understand - there is just so many things incoming to my brain with linux |
| 21:31.33 | DarkiYahu | is there 1600 people here? |
| 21:31.47 | muelli | 1586 |
| 21:32.33 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: hddtemp show temperature of the hdd's |
| 21:32.45 | DarkiYahu | Aha |
| 21:32.56 | DarkiYahu | so it should not be any problem installing it afterwards |
| 21:33.17 | DarkiYahu | muelli, how do you know? |
| 21:33.23 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: could be that you have to load some kernel modules too to see data from all the sensors |
| 21:33.37 | DarkiYahu | ahh, should be 8 cpu's |
| 21:33.40 | useless-eater | but sensors-detect will tell you I guess |
| 21:33.52 | DarkiYahu | sensors-detect don't work |
| 21:33.56 | DarkiYahu | sensors do work |
| 21:34.03 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: 8 cpus or 8 cores? |
| 21:34.13 | DarkiYahu | ehhh.... 8 cores |
| 21:34.17 | Javabean | 8 cores, or 8 threads? |
| 21:34.21 | DarkiYahu | .... |
| 21:34.38 | DarkiYahu | I think it is 8 cores... not sure... |
| 21:35.07 | DarkiYahu | I have 8 working things going on at least |
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| 21:35.24 | DarkiYahu | An intel 7 something |
| 21:35.29 | DarkiYahu | old one |
| 21:35.33 | useless-eater | "sensor-detect" will just help you detecting sensors that the "sensors" command will use |
| 21:35.34 | DarkiYahu | but I think it was 8 cores |
| 21:35.50 | DarkiYahu | do I need to install sensor-detect beside the sensors? |
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| 21:36.10 | useless-eater | should be in lm-sensors I believe |
| 21:36.42 | useless-eater | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.43 | useless-eater | lm-sensors: /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 21:37.18 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ % apt-file search sensors-detect |
| 21:37.18 | DarkiYahu | bash: fg: %: no such job |
| 21:37.31 | useless-eater | skip the % :p |
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| 21:37.34 | DarkiYahu | oh |
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| 21:38.24 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ apt-file search sensors-detect |
| 21:38.24 | DarkiYahu | bash: apt-file: command not found |
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| 21:38.41 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ lm-sensors: /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 21:38.42 | DarkiYahu | bash: lm-sensors:: command not found |
| 21:38.42 | useless-eater | apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update |
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| 21:40.28 | Li | awesome, MIPS stands for Multi-directional Impact Protection System. |
| 21:40.39 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ apt-file search sensors-detect |
| 21:40.39 | DarkiYahu | lm-sensors: /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 21:40.39 | DarkiYahu | lm-sensors: /usr/share/man/man8/sensors-detect.8.gz |
| 21:41.03 | DarkiYahu | I need to write these things down |
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| 21:44.43 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: "file /usr/sbin/sensors-detect" ? |
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| 21:45.39 | DarkiYahu | back - just needed to copy the important stuff |
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| 21:46.03 | DarkiYahu | so I write file /usr/sbin/sensors-detect ? |
| 21:46.25 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ file /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 21:46.27 | useless-eater | yes, will tell you if file exists, and if executable |
| 21:46.39 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ file /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 21:46.49 | DarkiYahu | hmm |
| 21:47.00 | DarkiYahu | usr/sbin/sensors-detect: Perl script text executable |
| 21:47.16 | useless-eater | ok, good, then: sudo sensors-detect |
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| 21:48.07 | DarkiYahu | how come it now finds it with sudo and not just running sensors-detect |
| 21:48.29 | DarkiYahu | says it does not find anything without the sudo |
| 21:48.33 | DarkiYahu | but with sudo it finds it |
| 21:48.42 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: the sbin folder is not for normal users, so have to sudo or be root |
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| 21:49.10 | DarkiYahu | aha |
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| 21:49.42 | DarkiYahu | # Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2670QM CPU @ 2.20GHz (6/42/7) |
| 21:50.30 | useless-eater | now you just have to pay attention to what kernel modules to load, and put them in the /etc/modules, if not done automaticly, to make it survive a reboo |
| 21:52.53 | DarkiYahu | Do you want to add these lines automatically to /etc/modules? (yes/NO) |
| 21:52.57 | DarkiYahu | is this safe? |
| 21:53.39 | DarkiYahu | Monitoring programs won't work until the needed modules are |
| 21:53.39 | DarkiYahu | loaded. You may want to run '/etc/init.d/kmod start' |
| 21:53.39 | DarkiYahu | to load them. |
| 21:54.06 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/kmod |
| 21:54.06 | DarkiYahu | [ ok ] Usage: /etc/init.d/kmod start. |
| 21:54.13 | DarkiYahu | okay... |
| 21:54.15 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: probably not, if "NO" is the defaults |
| 21:54.22 | DarkiYahu | well... I just did |
| 21:54.27 | DarkiYahu | Said yes |
| 21:55.15 | DarkiYahu | so... now what to do? |
| 21:55.22 | DarkiYahu | sensors just show the same 4 |
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| 21:56.51 | DarkiYahu | Well, at least I know where it is :) |
| 21:56.59 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: not sure, if you know you should see more sensor data, and you need them, I would probably google a little |
| 21:57.21 | DarkiYahu | I have no idea if I should see more user data... |
| 21:57.30 | DarkiYahu | il try the Hdd thing as well |
| 21:59.21 | DarkiYahu | Thanks for the help useless-eater |
| 22:00.00 | DarkiYahu | hddtemp seems to be a sudo thing as well |
| 22:00.03 | DarkiYahu | hmm |
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| 22:00.44 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: yep |
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| 22:02.52 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ sudo hddtemp sda |
| 22:02.52 | DarkiYahu | sda: open: No such file or directory |
| 22:03.03 | DarkiYahu | ahh hddtemp /dev/sd? |
| 22:03.09 | DarkiYahu | il try that :) |
| 22:03.38 | DarkiYahu | I GOT IT!!! |
| 22:03.43 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ sudo hddtemp /dev/sda1 |
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| 22:04.06 | DarkiYahu | oCZ-AGILITY3: 30°C |
| 22:04.13 | Javabean | *sda1 is the partition sda is the drive |
| 22:04.18 | DarkiYahu | gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ sudo hddtemp /dev/sda |
| 22:04.24 | DarkiYahu | YA SORRY |
| 22:04.30 | DarkiYahu | argh capslock |
| 22:04.48 | DarkiYahu | ../dev/sda: OCZ-AGILITY3: 30°C |
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| 22:04.57 | Javabean | capslock isn't quite as bad as where the backspace key is |
| 22:04.59 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: nice for monitoring winchester disks, you could use smartctl -a on the disks too to see disk health (apt-get install smartmontools) |
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| 22:05.16 | QcR | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3JqmB251/ |
| 22:05.21 | DarkiYahu | Javabean, not following you? |
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| 22:05.35 | DarkiYahu | okay |
| 22:05.39 | DarkiYahu | so that's one of my harddrives |
| 22:05.45 | Javabean | ie, i tend to hit enter AND backspace at the same time |
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| 22:05.46 | dka | I was doing a backup of my home `mv /home/dka/ .` but I removed a file while doing it `mv: cannot stat '/home/dka/toto': No such file or directory` and my hard drive is `99%` full now I deleted some space. |
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| 22:05.53 | dka | How can I continue the move ? |
| 22:06.11 | DarkiYahu | .../dev/sdb: Hitachi HTS547564A9E384: no sensor |
| 22:06.17 | DarkiYahu | Hmm |
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| 22:06.25 | useless-eater | dka: you should use rsync probably |
| 22:06.28 | DarkiYahu | Well, it seems it has found no sensor on my second hardrive |
| 22:06.50 | DarkiYahu | well at least it works with one :) |
| 22:06.58 | DarkiYahu | Really it is the CPU that is an issue |
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| 22:07.05 | DarkiYahu | Heat issue |
| 22:07.19 | dka | useless-eater, do you have the good command? |
| 22:07.34 | DarkiYahu | I'm sure the computer would run much better with some better anticheat on the cpu |
| 22:07.35 | useless-eater | depends, but maybe rsync -avP /source /destination |
| 22:07.37 | dka | I have removed my kernel and my system is degraded I cannot verify |
| 22:07.38 | DarkiYahu | sadly it is a laptob |
| 22:07.41 | DarkiYahu | laptop |
| 22:08.24 | dka | `rsync -avP /home/dka/ .` would be equivalent to `mv /home/dka/ .` ? |
| 22:08.29 | dka | to continue a copie ? |
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| 22:10.00 | useless-eater | dka: you can use rsync to move files, but I never do. I always use it to copy |
| 22:10.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | To sync the contents of one directory to another, use a trailing slash on both paths. |
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| 22:11.48 | dka | S0 the cmd was not accurate ? |
| 22:11.54 | useless-eater | dka: no |
| 22:11.57 | dka | `rsync -avP /home/dka/ ./ ? |
| 22:12.06 | dka | I can t mess up |
| 22:12.08 | dka | these or not my data |
| 22:12.12 | dka | I already trashjed the computer |
| 22:12.20 | DarkiYahu | Hmm... my Crunchbang is a little messy at the momenty |
| 22:12.24 | DarkiYahu | need to fix that |
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| 22:13.34 | useless-eater | dka: Do a --dry-run first to be sure, but "rsync -avP /home/dka . " could be what you want |
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| 22:18.02 | DarkiYahu | Physical id 0: +86.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C) |
| 22:18.03 | DarkiYahu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.07 | DarkiYahu | of the overall |
| 22:18.17 | DarkiYahu | overall temp |
| 22:19.16 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: of the cpu? probably. |
| 22:19.28 | DarkiYahu | I would think myself - great |
| 22:19.32 | DarkiYahu | I just need the overall |
| 22:19.51 | DarkiYahu | but is sensors normally only showing cpu temp or can it show more? |
| 22:21.35 | useless-eater | for every core I think |
| 22:22.37 | DarkiYahu | hmm |
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| 22:22.44 | DarkiYahu | so it would not take hdd temp on it |
| 22:22.59 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: tested on a box now and this is what it looks like http://paste.debian.net/1027739/ |
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| 22:23.38 | DarkiYahu | ahh so that is what you use paste debian for |
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| 22:24.11 | DarkiYahu | I see you have some more info for sure... but.. I'm running on an old laptop as well |
| 22:24.13 | DarkiYahu | so... |
| 22:24.30 | DarkiYahu | If they had just made the cooling better on this laptop it would have been running even better. |
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| 22:24.51 | DarkiYahu | seems to be more then enough power in it... but... it goes down if to hot - and it sadly gets hot very easily |
| 22:24.59 | DarkiYahu | so it never really uses the cpu much. |
| 22:25.58 | DarkiYahu | http://paste.debian.net/1027741 |
| 22:26.05 | useless-eater | DarkiYahu: you can install "pastebinit" and then "sensors | pastebinit" :) |
| 22:26.29 | DarkiYahu | and? what should that do |
| 22:26.43 | useless-eater | pastebin outputs of command automaticly |
| 22:26.58 | mi11k1 | hey, any networking genius's? |
| 22:27.01 | DarkiYahu | aha, like for conky? |
| 22:27.10 | DarkiYahu | or does conky have another way of doing it |
| 22:27.20 | mi11k1 | conky is awesome |
| 22:27.25 | DarkiYahu | It would be nice to have the Temp of the cpu for conky |
| 22:27.39 | mi11k1 | cpu temp is built in i think |
| 22:27.53 | DarkiYahu | mi11k1, I'm still new on it all - but it seems to be cool. |
| 22:27.55 | DarkiYahu | ahh |
| 22:28.18 | DarkiYahu | I have cpu% in conky but no the temp, yet at least. |
| 22:28.29 | DarkiYahu | I actually have the cpu% for all 8 cores or threads |
| 22:28.30 | mi11k1 | temperature: ${alignr}${acpitemp}°C |
| 22:28.41 | DarkiYahu | oh great il try that mi11k1 |
| 22:28.43 | DarkiYahu | thanks |
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| 22:28.57 | mi11k1 | you need sensors installed i think |
| 22:29.43 | DarkiYahu | I think I have that installed thanks to useless-eater |
| 22:29.53 | mi11k1 | DarkiYahu, or try ${platform coretemp.0 temp 1} |
| 22:30.04 | DarkiYahu | ${platform coretemp.0 temp 1} in conky? |
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| 22:30.13 | mi11k1 | i forgot the syntax changed |
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| 22:30.41 | mi11k1 | DarkiYahu, what version of conky? |
| 22:31.00 | DarkiYahu | dunno |
| 22:31.06 | DarkiYahu | what syntax? |
| 22:31.25 | DarkiYahu | I don't know what version it is - I'm running the latest CB++ |
| 22:31.27 | mi11k1 | conky -v will tell ytou version |
| 22:31.28 | DarkiYahu | CrunbBang++ |
| 22:31.31 | DarkiYahu | ahh |
| 22:31.32 | DarkiYahu | 2 sec |
| 22:31.36 | mi11k1 | so bunson? |
| 22:31.50 | mi11k1 | bunsonlabs is the new crunch |
| 22:31.54 | DarkiYahu | conky 1.10.6 compiled Fri Dec 9 09:25:23 UTC 2016 for Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 |
| 22:31.55 | Li | Other than Raspbian, which Debian distro would be possible to install on Raspberry Pi 3 B? (arm64/arml/armhf) |
| 22:32.06 | hypn0 | busenlabs :-) |
| 22:32.07 | DarkiYahu | Bunsenlabs is a little to much Graphic for me |
| 22:32.15 | DarkiYahu | so I ended up with CB++ |
| 22:32.18 | mi11k1 | hypn0, thanks |
| 22:32.29 | DarkiYahu | To much graphic and colors. |
| 22:32.41 | mi11k1 | unless you use the grey theme |
| 22:32.43 | DarkiYahu | CB++ was more close to the original. |
| 22:32.56 | mi11k1 | i learned linux on CB |
| 22:32.57 | DarkiYahu | Well.. It also seemed slower then CB++ on the computer. |
| 22:33.03 | DarkiYahu | CB was awesome! :) |
| 22:33.13 | DarkiYahu | best thing that I found of linux distro. |
| 22:33.19 | DarkiYahu | when I tried to find some kind of thing I liked |
| 22:33.31 | DarkiYahu | sadly I went back to Windows because of Diablo 3 |
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| 22:33.42 | DarkiYahu | but I'm back as a Linux noob again |
| 22:33.58 | mi11k1 | i struck to what i learned from that distro, debian net-install, openbox, tint2,. and conky |
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| 22:34.14 | DarkiYahu | struck? |
| 22:34.21 | mi11k1 | stuck* |
| 22:34.24 | DarkiYahu | ahh |
| 22:34.28 | DarkiYahu | debian net-install? |
| 22:34.43 | mi11k1 | yes, basic install. |
| 22:34.57 | DarkiYahu | I had it set very nicely up last time... So - I'm trying to restore that again. |
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| 22:35.02 | mi11k1 | small iso |
| 22:35.05 | DarkiYahu | So going through old files and such. |
| 22:35.06 | DarkiYahu | ahhh |
| 22:35.17 | DarkiYahu | Well, CB++ seems pretty basic install? |
| 22:35.30 | mi11k1 | then i install xorg, openbox, slim, tint2, and conky |
| 22:35.49 | DarkiYahu | ahhh |
| 22:35.53 | DarkiYahu | you started from buttom |
| 22:36.01 | DarkiYahu | and learned that way |
| 22:36.03 | DarkiYahu | well.. |
| 22:36.09 | DarkiYahu | always something new it seems |
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| 22:36.18 | DarkiYahu | and it is so nice with the people and the community |
| 22:36.24 | DarkiYahu | freedom! |
| 22:36.34 | DarkiYahu | From spyware and microsoft and stupidity |
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| 22:39.01 | DarkiYahu | Very hard to find a good old browser |
| 22:39.22 | DarkiYahu | Very annoying how they started to go in all directions with browsers and leave what worked |
| 22:39.26 | DarkiYahu | But... I found one!!! :) |
| 22:39.35 | DarkiYahu | SeaMonkey |
| 22:39.50 | DarkiYahu | Feel like good old days and have all those features that I think should be standard |
| 22:39.55 | DarkiYahu | at your fingertips |
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| 22:41.50 | DarkiYahu | I made an bootable Crunchbang++ :D |
| 22:41.59 | DarkiYahu | Took me some time to say the least... but I got it working |
| 22:42.06 | DarkiYahu | finaly |
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| 22:45.58 | hypn0 | there is archbang too |
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| 22:47.34 | DarkiYahu | well |
| 22:47.42 | DarkiYahu | archbang |
| 22:47.43 | DarkiYahu | hmm |
| 22:47.51 | DarkiYahu | I think il just stick to this for now ;) |
| 22:48.04 | DarkiYahu | ${platform coretemp.0 temp 1} <<--- |
| 22:48.08 | DarkiYahu | was this wrong? |
| 22:48.33 | petn-randall | !crunchbang |
| 22:48.34 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 22:50.01 | uniqdom | In what order are the dependencies of a Debian package installed? |
| 22:50.16 | uniqdom | does it matter? |
| 22:50.38 | uniqdom | what if I need to install the package and its dependencies manually? |
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| 22:52.17 | petn-randall | uniqdom: I'd install first the dependencies and then the package, if you need to do it. |
| 22:52.20 | petn-randall | *by hand |
| 22:52.50 | uniqdom | ok thanks |
| 22:52.57 | hypn0 | ${exec sensors|grep 0:|awk "{print \$3}"} DarkiYahu I use that |
| 22:53.27 | hypn0 | 0 is the core |
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| 23:41.45 | tharkun | bites: hexedit seems to be the one. The only problem is that F1 is intercepted by Gnome so it does not display the online help and Ctr-C is disabled on the debian version. Thanks a lot. It gets the job done. |
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| 23:42.44 | yuriescl | Hi, is there a way to make Debian font rendering similar to Mint or Ubuntu for Dejavu Sans? I'm using Xfce and tried several methods for configuring the fonts, including the antialias, hinting and subpixel rendering, but after testing several combinations of those I can't seem to get the fonts as beautiful as Ubuntu. |
| 23:42.50 | yuriescl | I've searched and looks like Debian does not use proprietary font rendering software, if that's the case, does someone know which package/software I have to install to make font rendering better? Thanks. |
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| 23:55.32 | yuriescl | Okay, I just found that hinting was disabled using "xrdb -query". Enabled it and now fonts look great! |
