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00:05.25rantI'm familiar with that as well as BlueFish, OneFish and Twofish :P
00:06.09rantseriously never heard of RedFish only Blufish (markup editor) and Twofish (algorithm)
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00:21.13kkHello Guys, Linux noobie here..I am trying to script a quick bash script that will start ssh-add command so that I don't have to type the passphrase again and again.
00:21.18kkhttps://pastebin.com/hmN27Ekt
00:21.32kkI wrote this..But its not working
00:21.42kkCan anyone please help
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02:36.39Mr_Queuerant: Looks like it might replace IPMI
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02:38.17Mr_Queuerant: https://www.dmtf.org/standards/redfish
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02:39.42Mr_Queuekk: Look at expect
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03:05.35ThiagoCMCguys, what is the alternative to the "auto-apt" ?
03:05.37ThiagoCMCIt is gone.
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03:10.20Mr_Queueunattended-upgrades?
03:10.50ThiagoCMCHmm... I'll give it a try!   =)
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03:11.28ThiagoCMCI was thinking about search, with auto-apt, for with package will bring file "/usr/bin/something"...
03:12.18somiajI don't know auto-apt, but it sounds like you want apt-file? Or can you clairfy what the search does?
03:12.49Mr_Queueunattended-upgrades will be default in 10.
03:13.03ThiagoCMCFor example... auto-apt search Xlib.h
03:13.10somiajin this case, auto-apt is something different.
03:13.10ThiagoCMCwill tell you which package will bring that file.
03:13.24somiajThiagoCMC: apt-file does that, auto-apt does something different.
03:13.34Mr_QueueIt won't restart services, but you can scrit that out too. Check out the package 'debian-goodies'
03:13.35somiajbut if all you want to know is what package contains a file, use apt-file
03:13.47ThiagoCMCsomiaj, thank you!
03:14.11somiajyou wont have the auto ability of automatically isntalling a package that contains that file, but give a monet
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03:15.27somiajseems auto-apt was just broken, and no one to matain/fix it
03:15.35somiajhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851099
03:15.36juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/851099 in auto-apt (closed): «"auto-apt update" tries to fetch wrong URL»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-01-12; last modified: 2017-09-26.
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03:16.00somiajthough I think using apt-file to find the package you want, and manually isntalling it is a better solution than having a program automatically install it if a program requests the file.
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03:17.10Mr_Queuewhat could go wrong?
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03:18.11somiajSeems it was mostly designed for building software to help ./configure scripts manually get what they need as they go.
03:18.30somiajIt might work okay, I just find it 'iffy' because I don't like things automatically installing packages like that.
03:18.46somiajoverall it is not in debian due to no one want to maintain it and keep the software up to date.
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03:31.17Mr_QueueYou really only need unattended-upgrades. Get used to it, it's comming. You'll need to disable it if you know how to do that. Else it's assumed you need help. Which is a good thing, should cleanup servers/laptop/devices plugged in and forgotten about.
03:33.22somiajMr_Queue: apt-auto is a different tool that unattended-upgrades would not help with.
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03:44.23Mr_QueueI guess I have no idea what apt-auto would fix. What's the problem?
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03:46.56somiajIt automatically installs packages when something requests a file that is missing. It was designed for building software, it would automatically install any missing -dev libary that a ./configure script would try to use but was missing, so someone woudln't have to track down the package with apt-file and manually install it with apt-get
03:47.18somiajbut since it has been broken since jessie, and no one seems to want to matain it, it has been removed and is no longer a tool debian has.
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03:48.47r_riosHello, all. Does anyone else has a problem of apt getting stuck at 0% for a while on any network operation?
03:48.56r_riosIt happens for me on both apt update, upgrade and install
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03:49.15somiajAre you using a proxy? Could it be something with your network? Does it eventually become unstuck?
03:50.18r_riosI'm not using a proxy. It does eventually get unstuck
03:50.36somiajIt sounds like an issue with your network, but that is mostly a guess and I can't say more.
03:50.46somiajalso pealse don't cross post.
03:50.46r_riosAnd I don't believe it has anything to do with my network. Another Debian machine of mine doesn't have the problem
03:51.26somiajwonder if there is some io wait or network wait, and the process is stuck waiting for time to work.
03:52.01r_riosIt gets stuck at 0% [Working]
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03:52.19somiajwell it is waiting for something, I don't know what it could be waiting for.
03:52.22r_riosI tried cleaning the cache, the package lists, etc
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03:52.48somiajis this with both apt and apt-get?
03:52.48r_riosOkay. Thanks for the help anyway
03:52.55r_rios(Sorry about the crosspost)
03:53.05r_riossomiaj: Yes
03:53.35somiajdo both machines (one that works and one that doesn't) use the same mirror? What mirror is the broken one using?
03:54.12r_riossomiaj: Not right now, but I've changed mirrors several times in this machine and it didn't change the results
03:54.49r_riosAlso, I though it might have something to do with PackageKit competing for resources with apt, but I uninstalled everything PackageKit-related and it didn't help
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03:57.58somiajsounds like you have tried what most the hits in google I see suggested. One came up that it was trying to use ipv6, but you would have seen that
03:58.29somiajbut you can create a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4 and then include the line Acquire::ForceIPv4 true;
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03:59.02Daggeryou can also fix your network
03:59.57thatpythonguycan anyone help me with an mpd/ncmpcpp problem
03:59.59Daggerif apt-get is trying v6 first, then your system has some kind of global v6 config set up. if that v6 config isn't working, then figure out what's wrong and fix it. going around and configuring programs to avoid it isn't the right way to go
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04:00.29Daggeralso `wget` is a good tool for debugging HTTP fetches, since it prints useful log output
04:00.37somiajthough that may not be the issue, it is just a guess what is causing apt to fail.
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04:05.08r_riossomiaj: I'll see if that helps
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04:06.21r_riosDagger: I'm using a normal wifi connection via nm, so I'm not sure what I could do wrong there
04:06.58somiajdoes the other machine that works use wifi?
04:07.02r_riosYup
04:07.22somiajunsure what is the best way to debug what is causing a wait
04:07.40r_rios"if apt-get is trying v6 first"
04:07.48r_riosIt is, from the looks of it
04:08.23somiajdid that conf fix your issue?
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04:09.06r_riosNo, but, when apt finally gets unstuck, it shows me ipv6 addresses
04:09.31r_riosAll I have to do is create the file and I'm done, right?
04:09.36somiajcorrect
04:09.51r_riosSo, no, it didn't help
04:10.01somiaj!disable ipv6
04:10.01dpkgFrom Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour).  To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
04:10.25somiajyou will have to reboot for that, again this is a hack approach, but you could didsable ipv6 altogether, and see if that helps
04:10.40somiajIf this ends up being the issue, then as Dagger pointed out, fix your network.
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04:10.54Daggerno, please *don't* disable v6 systemwide, we're long past the point where that's a reasonable response to anything
04:11.05r_riosWhat do you mean by "fix" my network?
04:11.23r_riosAnd pinging to ipv6 addresses seems to work fine
04:11.24Daggerpastebin the output of `wget <URL to mirror>` and let's see what's actually happening
04:12.49r_riosDagger: https://paste.debian.net/1028007/
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04:16.45Daggersee, that does seem to be working fine
04:18.53Daggerit's possible that your v6 connectivity is intermittent... or also perhaps that your DNS is intermittent
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04:35.31r_riosDagger: my v6 connectivity is fine. This was just after trying to update and still getting stuck at 0% [Working]
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04:36.28r_riosDagger: I forced v4 in apt's configs and I still got the same problem, so I doubt this is related to ipv6
04:37.03r_riosI even tried to edit the v4 ips into sources.list just in case. Still no good
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04:38.40r_riosMy only guess is that this could be related to some lost cache file somewhere making my life difficult, but I'm not sure where
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04:43.40DaggerI don't suppose the problem shows up in `wget -O/dev/null http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/pool/main/0/0ad-data/0ad-data_0.0.17-1_all.deb`? (that is, with a file that's bigger than the index.html file)
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04:47.37r_riosDagger: it doesn't
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04:49.43Daggerhttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/383696/stop-apt-looking-for-srv-records <-- how about this?
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05:00.07r_riosDagger: Nope
05:01.13somiajit's a ghost!! *hides*
05:03.40Daggerr_rios: I'm out of ideas then. I can't think of anything else that would affect apt-get and not wget
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05:04.12somiajdoes aptitude have the same issue?
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05:04.54somiajwonder if it is some io wait or something else, and the process is waiting for an io bus...though I can't think of what could be the problem.
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05:19.07r_riosDagger: It's fine. I've been struggling with this issue for months now, so I knew it would be hard
05:19.15r_riosThanks for all the help, though[
05:19.32somiajr_rios: did you try aptitude?
05:19.45r_riossomiaj: aptitude does have the same issue
05:20.18somiajthought it might, some underlaying process is waiting. I wonder if you could watch something like iotop or the process to see what it is waiting on
05:21.05r_riosI have to install iotop first
05:21.13r_riosIt will take a little while
05:24.33somiajiotop more shows what io is being used, but maybe you'll notice something strange, again I'm unsure what tools to debug what could be causing the wait. Since wget seems to be fine, leads to wonder if it is something else causing the wait.
05:25.24DaggerI'd try to tcpdump and see if staring at the traffic reveals any useful info
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06:43.52michael2hi, I have this notification in top right corner of screen - which won't go away:
06:43.54michael2https://imgur.com/a/zdYbDrh
06:44.07michael2does anyone know how I can remove this?
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06:57.59jimit's possible some here know... and, as you know, debian did solve that problem, which needed to be solved because it installs stuff after installing the base
06:59.21jimI dunno, it's possble you can find a place where more centos devs are to ask that question too
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07:00.17jimhere's a resource for that: there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help
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07:57.30draccHow do I find cmake variables used to create a specific .deb ?
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07:57.52dracc(I.E. how do I find what cmake options was used to build libbullet-dev ?)
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08:02.08Foxdracc: can't you get the info into the sources ?
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08:06.06draccFox, I guess I could. Am noob though, so did not think that far.
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08:17.11joltdracc: I imagine there might be something useful in the auto-build logs: https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=bullet&ver=2.87%2Bdfsg-2&arch=amd64 (this is for sid, couldn't find any for stretch)
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08:19.25draccjolt, Thank you very much!
08:22.18draccIt seems as if the package maintainers does no magic. Current git master HEAD of bullet is broken (for me) then.
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09:12.29srrubyshould i use buster for development?
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09:13.47petn-randallsrruby: For what kind of development?
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09:14.23petn-randallsrruby: In general, unless you want to contribute to Debian's next release, I would use stable.
09:14.26srrubyruby php,react,npm, html
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09:26.51Tom01stable is too outdated
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09:31.43bitesstable is on php 7.0 and buster on 7.2. for npm and node you would want to use the upstream repo anyway and for react and html it doesn't matter.
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09:32.23bitesbut i'd go with stable and use something like vagrant to get reproducible environments with the deps you want to target.
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09:37.38padomayhi there. i need to install the amd audio card's firmware
09:37.48padomayand I don't know where to find them
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09:40.21BCMMpadomay: what audio device is this?
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09:40.55BCMMpadomay: actually, do you know what firmware file you need? if the driver is otherwise working properly, you should have a "failed to load" messaged in dmesg
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09:42.20padomayhere's my inxi output
09:42.21padomayhttp://paste.debian.net/1028026/
09:42.50BCMMpadomay: what makes you think you're missing firmware?
09:43.07BCMMi would expect the audio device to not show up with missing firmware
09:43.13padomaywell... not the whole firmware obviously
09:43.27padomayle tme explain
09:43.33BCMMcan you pastebin `aplay -l` and `dmesg`?
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09:45.08padomayi downloaded the amd-graphics firmware because i was missing the extensions for the rendering 3d
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09:46.08padomayand my audio card is working bad
09:46.21padomaylike.. the sound is not clean
09:46.28BCMMpadomay: ah, i think i get it - was your sound working fine before you installed firmware-amd-graphics?
09:46.29padomayand it's also laggy
09:46.37padomayno no
09:46.49padomayi just forgot about it
09:47.09BCMMsorry, i have to go
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09:47.38padomayBCMM, don't worry..
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10:06.10Nothing4Youi'm trying to figure out how to shrink a physical lvm partition
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10:06.41Nothing4Youi've got a vg with 200gb size and 19gb allocated / used
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10:08.35Nothing4You`pvs --segments /dev/disk` tells me that i have plenty of free space at the end, my lvs are at the beginning
10:08.57Nothing4Youi can't figure out how to reduce the vg size
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10:09.41KelsarNothing4You: you want to reduce a lv not a vg
10:10.15Kelsarvg just shrinks and expands with the pvs added to/removed from it
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10:14.04Nothing4YouKelsar: no i don't
10:14.09Nothing4YouKelsar: my lvs are reduced
10:14.17Nothing4Youi have 2 lvs that sum up to less than 20G
10:14.30Nothing4Youi have /dev/sda2 which is a 200G partition used by lvm
10:14.39Nothing4Youi want to shrink /dev/sda2 so i can create a new partition on the disk
10:16.31Nothing4You`pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize` tells me "requested size x is less than real size 200 GiB. Proceed?"
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10:22.13Kelsarthen you want to proceed
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10:22.44Kelsarusually you shrink the pv a bit more then you want to shrink the partition, then shrink the partition and resize the pv to the final size
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10:29.14Nothing4Youi see
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10:29.24Nothing4Yougparted seems to have been breaking my attempts
10:29.28Nothing4Youfdisk worked
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10:30.16pinkosis anyone using linux well with ryzen 2400g?
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10:40.20defacehi all
10:40.27defaceDavid please
10:40.30defaceuse it
10:40.41petn-randalldeface: What are you talking about?
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11:23.35disposable2i need to create a simple debian package that contains a shell script, a systemd unit file and a postinst script that does daemon-reload and enables the service. is there a guide for such simple things? every guide i've found so far just pushes me closer to instanity. i'm not using a source package, i don't need to compile anything...
11:23.48disposable2s/instanity/insanity
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11:25.48petn-randalldisposable2: Use a source package, even if you don't compile anything.
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11:26.14petn-randalldisposable2: It's much easier than packaging binary packages by hand.
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11:26.48disposable2petn-randall: it's a shell script that sets up and tears down swapping to zram. there is no source package.
11:27.09petn-randalldisposable2: Then make one.
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14:32.43noirxhello, i print things, but no printing happens, printer queue is empty
14:33.07noirxi have fresh debian 9
14:33.22noirxcan someone help me please
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14:34.37jpwnoirx: what debugging steps have you tried so far?
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14:35.57Haohmarunoirx, is it plugged in, does it have ink, paper, everything..?
14:36.03noirxyes
14:36.26jpwis the printer showing as ready in CUPS?
14:36.27noirxand recognized by debian, test page prints
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14:36.44noirxfrom printer
14:37.04noirxbut no printing happens when i print
14:37.06Haohmaruyou're not accidentally trying to print your file thru a different printer, are you?
14:37.13jpwhow is the printer connected to the computer? wifi, ethernet, usb, (LPT?)
14:37.19noirxusb
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14:38.29noirxwhen i print a page, nothing happens, it is detected,
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14:40.20jpwnorix: and you say when you print a test page from your computer it works?
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14:45.20Haohmaruis he printing the test page from the computer or from the printer itself (some of them have menus and buttons for that kind of stuff)
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14:46.03jpwhe implied he was printing the test page from his printer
14:46.10jpwhence why I tried to get him to clarify
14:46.17Haohmaruoh, right
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15:40.35RedSoxFan08I've got an issue with a GPU. I'm not sure if it was an update or something, but I can't get my nvidia gpu to work with the proprietary driver. I installed the proprietary driver a couple days ago, but I can't get the GPU working. Whenever I try to boot with the GPU in the PC, Debian stops loading once it gets to the part where it seems to have run fsck.
15:40.49RedSoxFan08Do I need to disable Nouveau?
15:40.57RedSoxFan08Or is it a different sort of issue?
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15:43.08RedSoxFan08Anybody?
15:43.23FreyjaDomvillerunning both drivers actively is a bad idea. Try disabling nouveau.
15:43.30RedSoxFan08How do I do that?
15:44.01greycatBefore you DO anything, you should tell us which video chipset it is, and which release of Debian.
15:44.18greycatAlso, did it work PREVIOUSLY?  If so, what changed since then?
15:44.18FreyjaDomvillefirst you'll need to add nomodeset to your GRUB command so the drivers don't attempt to load.
15:44.27FreyjaDomvilleah, very true
15:44.33FreyjaDomvilleapologies, greycat
15:44.37RedSoxFan08greycat: The GPU is an Nvidia GT 1030. The Debian release is Debian Buster.
15:44.47greycat!debian-next
15:44.47dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.  oftc OFTC oftc oftc OFTC?  Invite?  Oftc oftc malkovich oftc.
15:45.05greycatI knew it sounded like a testing issue.  There's been a lot of testing users complaining about changes in nvidia drivers.
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15:49.10jhutchins_wkRedSoxFan07: The proprietary drivers don't actually support testing, although they may work.
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15:52.51RedSoxFan07jhutchins_wk: Well, they worked before with a GT 740 and then quit.
15:53.10RedSoxFan07jhutchins_wk: And that was just a couple days ago.
15:53.10greycatProbably because you upgraded xorg to 1.20 in testing.
15:53.22greycatThat seems to be the common trigger that those insane testing users talk about.
15:53.36RedSoxFan07greycat: I'll give that a shot.
15:53.50greycatYou should be talking to them in #debian-next @ OFTC.
15:54.26jhutchins_wkI would expect to at lest have to re-build the drivers for the new hardware, and if xorg upgraded to rebuild for that.
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15:54.48jhutchins_wknomodeset would definitely be the starting point for a recovery.
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16:05.18hirokHi peoples
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16:07.56hirokI'm using linux mint and thinking to jump to debian.. But when i got into debian's official page i tried to download it throught bittorrent amd64 and i got 3 files which are 3.7GB,4.4GB,4.4 GB... So which iso i should download for debian cinnamon version... Does anyone help me please
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16:08.55mutantehirok: you really just need the netinstall .iso  (much smaller) and boot from that and you can let it download the needed packages during install.. as long as you have Internet
16:09.04mutantehirok: that way you also just download what you actually install
16:09.49mutantewhich desktop environment you install you can always decide after the base system is installed
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16:10.24hirokBut i have some internet issues... I got 2GB data per day.. so i can't netinstall because the file is larger than it.. mutante
16:11.36hirokAnd the problem is they didn't write the iso name in the official page mutante... They just write the names iso1, iso2 .....
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16:12.18greycatThe netinst image is about 300 MB.  An installation of Debian using that image will probably download another 200 MB to 2 GB depending on what you install.
16:13.06greycatSo in theory, you could download the netinst on day 1, wait, then install on day 2.  Or just not install as much.
16:13.42hirokOh okie greycat... Thanx for your suggestion...
16:13.57greycatAnd if this is a laptop, use the non-free firmware images.
16:14.01greycat!firmware images
16:14.01dpkgUnofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
16:14.10hirokAnd will debian be better than ubuntu or mint?? From your experience
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16:15.09hirokAnd what is non free image?
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16:15.34greycat12:14  dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages"
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16:15.45joltnon-free is software where the licence isnt completely unrestricted
16:16.28hirokOoooowww... thankx jolt
16:16.57hirokWill i get any problem if i download offline installation images?
16:17.00greycatIf it's not a laptop, or if by some miracle it doesn't use wireless interfaces that need non-free firmware, then you can use the regular netinst.
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16:17.25hirokNope... It's a laptop
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16:18.36hirokAnd greycat... Will i able to play some fps game in debian like linux mint??
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16:19.18greycatI know nothing about Mint.
16:19.54hirokOops! I mean do i play games there? In debian or it's just for programming
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16:20.47greycatYou can do whatever you want.
16:21.48jolthirok: If it runs on another Linux it is likely it will run under Debian too. No guarantees though.
16:21.58hirokI'm just asking because some days ago I was an idiot and i installed parrot os lmao... so i face some problems like video quality is very poor and slow... and parrot is under debian... so i'm trying to know before i install the os
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16:23.41hirokAnd thanx guys... for your replies
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16:25.00annadanewell, no, you can have free software with a restricted license
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16:38.19Aziroshinhirok: There are thousands of games on Steam that run on Linux. Be aware that they mainly target Ubuntu. However, Ubuntu is debian based, so, your chances might be pretty good.
16:38.53AziroshinEven if you run into trouble, it's probably nothing a little fiddling couldn't fix. :)
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16:53.53inquisitiv3What's the best way to setup a build environment for building packages for Debian?
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16:55.28greycatinquisitiv3: /msg dpkg nmg
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16:57.46inquisitiv3greycat: Seems that it didn't work as you indented?
16:58.28inquisitiv3Can't find something obvious matching nmg when I google "nmg debian" or "nmg dpkg".
16:58.36greycat/msg is an IRC command
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17:00.22petn-randallinquisitiv3: Literally type "/msg dpkg nmg" into your IRC client, and it'll open a channel to the bot and ask it for a factoid.
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17:00.53inquisitiv3petn-randall: Aha, thanks! I didn't see that a new channel had opened when I typed it :)
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17:01.46zek8000I'm on debian 8.9 using mailx (mailutils?) to try and send e-mail from a gsuit domain to smtp-relay.gmail.com. I'm able to telnet and successfully send an email, but mailx fails when using the args '-s "some subject" some@recipient.tld', mail.log shows a 550-5.7.1 invalid credenital error for relay in reply to MAIL FROM command, what should I do here? My telnet MAIL FROM works fine in telnet, but this
17:01.52zek8000doesn't look like a syntax error with mailx. What gives?
17:01.56petn-randallinquisitiv3: No problem, we all started somehow :)
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17:02.35petn-randallzek8000: However you set it up, it's using the wrong credentials.
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17:02.51petn-randallzek8000: If you want us to help you with that, you have to share your exact setup, though.
17:04.20zek8000petn-randall: Well the relay is configured to auth via IP, not any other credentials, and I'm submitting from a valid/defined subnet in the relay config. There are no issues when sending mail via telnet.
17:04.57zek8000mailx is sending different commands than I am via telnet, so maybe I should look for a debug option or use a different cli client
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17:06.09petn-randallzek8000: I think it goes through your MTA, so first thing I'd check it /var/log/mail.log.
17:06.11greycatmailx doesn't send commands to a remote mail server.  It runs /usr/sbin/sendmail to put the mail in a local queue, and then your MTA (exim, postfix, etc.) takes over.
17:06.29petn-randall*is
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17:19.33zek8000Well I blame postfix then
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17:21.54`Kevinzek8000: tcpdump it if unencrypted and see what it is sending
17:22.19zek8000ye
17:22.20greycatand make sure it's sending to the correct remote server
17:22.42zek8000the relayhost is defined in main.cfg as relay-smtp.gmail.com for postfix
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17:25.24zek8000oh i see what's up, the relayhost = smtp-relay.gmail.com:587 while i'm telnetting to port 25
17:25.30zek8000i need to setup starttls or something
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17:33.17indiazuluHi. I'm running into some issues fetching debian packages from a repository behind a proxy, E: GPG error: http://10.2.32.1 stable Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2. The repository seems sane, and I did remove /var/cache/apt/lists and apt clean'ed
17:34.05indiazulubut apt-get update seems not happy and ended up circling on the same google results...
17:34.31indiazulusome idea of something to try or that could help to debug?
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18:13.09laurusIs OCaml 4.0.6 planned to be included in Debian Unstable?
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18:13.21retrosenatorhow do I run a script at startup before rc.local?
18:13.58greycatWhy does it have to be before rc.local?
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18:14.30retrosenatorbecause rc.local is late
18:14.33retrosenatorit's the last thing to run
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18:14.37retrosenatorI want the first thing to run
18:14.44retrosenatorbefore any other services are started
18:14.59greycatThen have fun reading the systemd documentation.
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18:15.45greycatsystemd.unit(5) => Before, After
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18:19.44retrosenatorI can set before to what to make it first?
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18:20.24greycatYour goals are unclear.
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18:23.43retrosenatorI want to execute a program first before any other services
18:24.11greycatIt probably won't be able to DO anything.
18:24.21dutchfishretrosenator, you cant do that on a multi-user.target
18:25.05greycatWhat is it supposed to do, delay boot?  It won't be able to do any input or output, because there're no file systems, not even a usable console to write to...?
18:25.08dutchfishretrosenator, on single-user.target delve into systemd-rc-local-generator
18:25.20greycatSo, again, what is the goal?
18:25.52retrosenatorall it does it display a splash screen on a spi lcd
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18:26.24dutchfishretrosenator, that should come AFTER rc.local init
18:26.41retrosenatorwell this is already 30 seconds after power on
18:26.55retrosenatorand by then the program that draws to the lcd already started
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18:27.07greycatYou write your service to run as soon as it *CAN* run, which means you figure out what brings up the device nodes that let you talk to this LCD thing, and then you arrange it to run immediately after those device nodes are created and writable.
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18:27.27retrosenatorgreycat: this makes sense ok, I just need spidev
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18:30.31retrosenatorI think they are created by the kernel but I could be wrong, they are specified from a hardware overlay
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18:32.09greycat*shrug* then just give it WantedBy=multi-user.target without any After= and see how it goes?
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18:34.16dutchfishretrosenator, take a look at `sudo systemctl edit --full rc-local
18:34.50dutchfishretrosenator, that one is pulled into multi-user.target automatically.
18:36.14greycatthe rc-local service has "After=network-online.target" which is what delays it, I believe
18:36.40dutchfishgreycat, depends on the hardware
18:37.03retrosenatorit's After=network.target
18:37.15retrosenatorat least on this orangepi zero
18:37.17greycatwooledg:~$ grep After /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d/debian.conf
18:37.17greycatAfter=network-online.target
18:37.31greycat... so you're not using Debian.
18:37.33greycat*plonk*
18:37.38dutchfishretrosenator, oops, orange pi is not Debian?
18:37.56retrosenatorthey told me it was "outside the scope of the channel" in #ubuntu
18:38.00dutchfishretrosenator, all i said was only for Debian systems
18:38.05retrosenatorand honestly you guys have been helping me
18:38.09retrosenatorand I think it applies here
18:38.32retrosenatorsorry if I'm confused
18:38.46dutchfishretrosenator, well, on Pi/Orange Pi, orders are very much different for a good reason. I am not going into that in here.
18:39.19jellyorange pi zero is a piece of hardware
18:40.29pmartis there a patched version of chromium with video hardware decoding enabled for debian? there is an ubuntu ppa but i don't want to frankendebian my system :)
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18:41.09dutchfishpmart, there is a soft switch in the config to enforce hw decoding in chromium
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18:41.44pmartdutchfish: you mean "override hw blacklist"?
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18:42.16pmartthat one doesn't enable acceleration for video
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18:42.51dutchfishpmart, for a peak chrome://gpu/ (in the url)
18:43.01pmartchrome://gpu lies
18:43.11dutchfishpmart, ah, ok
18:43.14pmartchrome://media-internals says the truth
18:43.25jellypmart: what about google's own build?
18:43.39jelly(that is, chrome)
18:44.07pmartwell, it's not like they disabled it for chromium
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18:44.40pmarthttps://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/532294
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18:45.14pmartthey just haven't accepted it and it's stalled
18:45.20ubentobox_whey there, can anyone help me located a log that would be relevant to this error? "OS-OTHER Bash CGI environment variable injection attempt". Attempting to isolate what is targeting this machine with the CGI attempts but not finding anything
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18:46.01jellyubentobox_w: which tool generates this message?
18:46.11dutchfishpmart, 67.0.3396.xx contains grave bugs, expect a patch soon
18:46.26ubentobox_wI've reviewed syslog, messages, auth, and a few others, but nothing around this
18:46.28ubentobox_wFirepower
18:46.58greycatubentobox_w: I would expect it's doing an apache/nginx log analysis
18:47.48jellyubentobox_w: "CGI" suggests it's something related to a web server
18:48.14ubentobox_wWell I checked both nginx and apache2 on the host, neither had access, error, or other logs altered at the time or within even a few hours. And the nod towards bash caught my attention because back in 2014 there was a remote exec vulnerability by which you could grab sysvars arbitrarily
18:48.40greycatinjection to me implies it's trying for Shellshock
18:48.48ubentobox_wand CGI + bash is query capable over SSH/SCP and other connections, not just port 80/443/relevant web apps
18:48.53codekKIts possible to rename usb gamepad device? I have two controllers that they are the same and i want to rename one
18:49.03jellyubentobox_w: what does this "firepower" do precisely?
18:49.30karlpincubentobox_w: It's _possible_ to have a cgi script written in bash....
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18:49.56ubentobox_wCisco Firepower is a network traffic analysis and blocking tool. I'm not the only one, about the same time something started hitting a few machines with this and also Apache struts attempts. Someone in network seemingly invited some malware inside and its attempting to scan
18:50.02greycatkarlpinc: or a shitty php that calls system() which calls /bin/sh which may be a symlink to bash...
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18:50.44greycatubentobox_w: so what do you expect #debian to say to you?
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18:51.23pmartdutchfish: is this bug related to hw decoding?
18:51.46ubentobox_wthis particular host is a kali debian distro and I had apache2 running for OpenVAS. greycat I was wondering where non-history bash logs would be stored besides messages, syslog, and auth
18:51.52greycat*plonk*
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18:52.27greycatIt'll be so much quieter once all the Ubuntu and Kali and Raspbian people are on /ignore.
18:52.34ubentobox_wjust trying to make sure I've checked all logs relevant to the issue and that I am not missing something.
18:52.40greycatoh, and...
18:52.41greycat!kali
18:52.42dpkgKali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>.  It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ .  Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
18:52.43ubentobox_wYeah. cause thats helpful. It is Debian.
18:52.53annadane!tell ubentobox_w about based on debian
18:53.24jellyubentobox_w: if it's a blocking tool, perhaps it blocked
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18:55.06jellybut if you're running a derivative distro it's hard to know what's changed and what's unchanged compared to debian; so this channel's simple way out is not to support any derivative
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18:56.42ubentobox_wNo I understand, but I was speaking more to bash and its logging locations other than .bash_history.
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18:57.37hdt551I have made a bootable usb drive with a custom stretch install (no gui).
18:57.55hdt551I want to configure the network to always start with dhcp.
18:58.35jellyhdt551: what does your preseed.cfg look like if you have any?
18:59.33hdt551jelly: I must not have one. Or I didn't see one in the build (using linux-live.org)
18:59.58jellyI'd ask in
19:00.12jelly!live
19:00.12dpkgThe Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own.  These can be used to install a Debian system.  Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ .  http://live.debian.net/  #debian-live on irc.debian.org.  See also <live firmware>.  For Debian 8 "Jessie", you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. See <live stretch>.
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19:01.05jellysorry, I thought it was an installer image, not live, preseed might not apply
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19:02.01hdt551It is a standard install I made - converted to usb with kit from linux-live.org
19:02.44hdt551it seems like I can do this using an entry in /lib/systemd/network like 10-dhcp.network
19:03.13hdt551it works if I do [Match] Name=* [Network] DHCP=yes
19:03.35hdt551but if there are 5 interfaces it will match all of them.
19:04.03hdt551I was hoping there was a way to do something like [MatchOne]
19:04.33hdt551But I don't see a way to do that looking at the man page.
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19:44.17simbalionDoes the current stable kernel have S0i3 standby support?
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19:53.27karlpincsimbalion: What's the config parameter?  (Looking in my kernel config...)
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19:53.51simbalionkarlpinc: I have no idea >.< I am just quoting someone else who said that feature is required for the new Thinkpad X1 Carbon 6th gens
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19:54.11simbalionI know it's in 4.14 which looks like it's available through backports so there is that
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20:01.58skizzyAnyone know something about writing linux applications that interface with Wine applications? I want to inject code into the application and read from it's memory
20:02.06skizzyDo I have to use win32?
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20:06.23jellyskizzy: you can gdb a wine process as easily as any other process I guess, ask in #winehq
20:06.37uniqdomskizzy: "I want to inject code into the application and read from it's memory", like an exploit?
20:06.52skizzyjelly, ok just wonderinf if i'm in the right direction. I'll just learn gdb for now
20:07.13jellywine itself has a debugger of its own
20:07.54skizzyuniqdom, in a way. just reverese engineering games for curiosity. I guess once i find where things are via gdb I'll need to craft programs to work with the found data. Not a lot of info that i've found so far
20:08.44skizzyjelly, thanks, i saw that. I'll check it out too. So it looks like I can make linux programs that will access that application in Wine. or cross compile windows code to do it, not sure
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20:11.18skizzyI'm finding a lot of resources but most are aimed at windows programmers. Glad I found that i can cross compile to create windows programs on my linux machine
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20:16.47tyrsenare there any plans for debian to support secureboot?
20:16.52tyrseni mean, in the near future
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20:23.48BierDopjetyrsen: as far as I'm aware, they have pushed it past Stretch
20:24.09tyrsensorry, i'm not familiar. what's that mean in timeline terms?
20:24.52greycatSince stretch is already the past, I can't think it means very much now.
20:26.21v4ultHi, I am running Debian Jessie and I seem to be unable to upgrade the certbot package from v0.10.2. I know that v0.24 is available but I can't find a way to upgrade. So far I have upgrading via APT and pip.
20:26.32v4ultCan anyone advise?
20:27.12bites,v certbot
20:27.13juddPackage: certbot on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.10.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.10.2-1; stretch-backports: 0.23.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.24.0-2; sid: 0.24.0-2
20:27.16tyrsenhmm, I see
20:27.39bitesv4ult: debian doesn't package a newer certbot for jessie.
20:27.40tyrseni'm looking at switching my laptop from windows to linux and debian has good support for it so it seemed like a decent choice. lack of secure boot is a little concerning though
20:27.53tyrsenor is it not something i should be concerned about do you think?
20:28.12greycatDoes the version you have *work*?  If so, why would you want to touch it?
20:28.16tyrseni mean, the laptop has very solid bios-lockout before it gets to booting, but obviously secure boot isn't just for physical security
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20:28.25BierDopjePersonally, i'm not concerned with the lack of secure boot, then again, i'm still on Jessie
20:28.56v4ultbites, thank you
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20:29.53bitesthe dependency on microsoft doesn't make secure boot very attractive.
20:30.50tyrsenokay, I see
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20:49.48lauteriasguys, i don't store my passwords in clear on the server, i encrypt them with gpg. the problem is, everytime one of my server restarts, i have to log in and do "gpg -d mypasswords.gpg" so the key passphrase gets cached by the agent. is my method common or do you guys do it with a different (better) way?
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20:52.42ubentobox_wlauterias, generally speaking no one should be storing passwords in the clear.. as far as the gpg, that is a step further than the majority, though I use keepassx
20:53.28ubentobox_wthere are cases though in the wild where people use passwords as a form of identification (have seen, disagree with practice)
20:53.56lauteriasare you using keepassx server side?
20:54.18ubentobox_wnot on publicly reachable servers
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20:55.41ubentobox_walso in previous setups FreeIPA (a CentOS based domain environment) allowed kerberos authentication so windows users from internal could login and work on production servers, leaving passwords to be ticket communicated instead of literally typed into the machine
20:56.03ubentobox_walso in my previous environments* I used FreeIPA
20:57.06ubentobox_wSo LDAP server (Windows, linux, or opendirectory) holds the credentials, you initiate a kerberos ticket from the server in question and it validates a ticket session with the LDAP server
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20:59.09ubentobox_wI wouldn't go that route unless you're managing several servers and wish to have a unified login within the network. You CAN use google authenticator or Okta to 2FA your logins as well for linux hosts
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21:21.08lauteriasubentobox_w: thanks for your tips
21:22.26ubentobox_wnp lauterias
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21:31.15joltlauterias: There are also some newer tech for auth, like hashicorp vault and others that creates login tokens on the fly with certs in ssh, depends on the usecase really. Not easy to setup either, but I think it might be a little bit more straightforward than LDAP and kerb
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21:32.51tyrsenanyone have experience with running a second display off thunderbolt connection? is it easy to set up for hotplug in/off?
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21:33.47joltI haven't done it with TB, but it was just an event that triggered xrandr for me, and I assume TB would be the same
21:34.07blzHello, I "lost" a RAID10 disk due to an unexpected power outage.  Upon rebooting, I see that the disk appears as /dev/sdf and passes all SMART tests.  Nevertheless, it isn't currently part of /dev/md1.  How can I re-add it to md1?
21:34.16tyrsenmy laptop is listed as having a very good level of compatibility
21:34.26tyrsenso next month once i'm off work for a few weeks i'm thinking of swapping over from windows
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21:34.49simbalionanyone have experience using a mac keyboard on a pc running debian (or other linux)?
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21:37.43tyrsenthat was not the right butten
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21:40.27joltblz: I think that should be handled by mdadm, maybe try https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/A_guide_to_mdadm#Assembling_your_arrays
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21:41.00joltblz: But plz make sure you have backups before middling with it
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21:43.24annadanemounting for example an external hard drive would be mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt, not mount /dev/sdb /mnt, right?
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21:44.46tijeretas__annadane: sdb1 is the first partition of disk sdb. sometimes though, if you only have 1 partition, it could have been created as only sdb (which happened to me on a thumb drive once, but I wouldn't recommend that)
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21:45.53annadanei gather mounts need to be done in the form of sdb1 though, not sdb
21:46.02joltyou can use cfdisk -l /dev/sdb to see which partitions are available (if any)
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21:47.09tijeretas__annadane: typically, yes, but it could be that the entire disk is 1 partition and then has no numbered partitions. do what jolt suggested and find out.
21:47.54bitesyou mount filesystems. filesystems are usually in partitions but don't have to be. you can create a filesystem on /dev/sdb and mount it with mount /dev/sdb /mnt
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22:14.50schmoopySo I have an IBM thinkpad T60 running debian strech. today the power went out and it shutdown hard. upon reboot, networking does not work.
22:15.04schmoopywicd tells me it connects to a networ sucessfully, but its lying.
22:17.07schmoopyWireless knows when it has a bad network password, so its doing something.
22:17.25schmoopybut upon completing the connection, it just says disconnected...
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22:25.25Facuhello everybody
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22:27.15FacuI'm having a problem installing Python 3 in the Docker image `debian:unstable`, I install it using `apt`, and it installs ok... kind of; it looks that brings all dependencies it should, among them this one: `libpython3.6-stdlib`... but this lib is NOT bringing all the files it should:
22:27.25Facuroot@6df911ceaf26:/usr/lib/python3.6/distutils# ls
22:27.25Facu__init__.py  __pycache__  version.py
22:27.52FacuSee that there should be a lot of stuff there inside `distutils`:  https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libpython3.6-stdlib/filelist
22:28.01FacuDo you know what may be happening? thanks!!!
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22:50.45joltFacu: I'm not sure what you  are looking for, but this is what your packge provides: https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libpython3.6-stdlib/filelist
22:51.31joltFacu: does dpkg -l|grep libpython3.6-stdlib show that it is installed?
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22:51.48jolt(ii  libpython3.6-stdlib)
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23:57.53hxmullerwhen "fakeroot debian/rules target" fails (compiling development kernel), just "make clean"  and fix problem, and rerun, right?
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