IRC log for #debian on 20180606

00:01.15hxmullerah, just answered my own question: https://wiki.debian.org/Courses/MaintainingPackages/Create/rules
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00:03.44tHe_dOCumEnThow does kernel work in debian?
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00:03.59tHe_dOCumEnTis it a bunch of modules to download?
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00:04.34hxmullerthere is a bit of preparation to compile a kernel
00:05.01tHe_dOCumEnTdebian needs user to compile kernel?
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00:08.17hxmullerThis Debian user does.
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00:13.14hxmullercurrent gcc version is gcc version 6.3.0 20170516, but I am getting "*** Compiler lacks asm-goto support..  Stop." error when compiling kernel, why?
00:13.47brutserhi, when i create a livecd i get an error with lightdm, simply says: Failed to start Light Display Manager. any idea how i can get more information what is causing this?
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00:15.04tHe_dOCumEnThxmuller: goto is defacto method for coding
00:15.24tHe_dOCumEnTkernel probly has bunch of goto's
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00:18.46hxmullerChmEarl: no, using standard gcc
00:19.06tHe_dOCumEnThxmuller: gcc & kernel are free so you get what u dont pay for
00:19.19hxmullerlol
00:19.20tHe_dOCumEnTanother words a broken setup in your case
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00:20.27hxmullermore likely the gcc-goto.sh in the 4.17 kernel
00:21.03tHe_dOCumEnTquestion is
00:21.08tHe_dOCumEnTdo you REALLY need a kernel upgrade
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00:22.51hxmullertHe_dOCumEnT: no, I could wait months for the 4.17 to become stable, or even a year and change
00:23.48hxmullerThe real question, is WHY am I compiling 4.17. And the answer is for AMD Ryzen 3 2200g support.
00:25.43tHe_dOCumEnTglad i dumped amd for i7 8550u
00:25.58tHe_dOCumEnThow many j's do you use with kernel?
00:26.18hxmulleronly 2 on this machine
00:26.34hxmulleronce the AMD box is up and running, 4
00:26.49tHe_dOCumEnTamd is slooww
00:27.16tHe_dOCumEnTsingle thread is what matters for speed perception
00:27.39hxmullerIt will be faster than the box I'm currently using, core 2 duo
00:28.09hxmullerand It will have fixes for meltdown and spectre, which this one will never get
00:28.30hxmullerthanks Intel
00:28.48tHe_dOCumEnTwho even cares about those? are u running a server facing the public internet?
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00:34.11rjsaltstHe_dOCumEnT: or running code you got from the internet (e.g. javascript)
00:36.52tHe_dOCumEnTrjsalts: doesn't seem common
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00:46.20hxmullergood to see he got bored
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01:06.25Facujolt, yes, libpython3.6-stdlib is installed
01:06.53Facujolt, and not, it didn't bring all these files: https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libpython3.6-stdlib/filelist
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01:24.23hxmulleron the morrow
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03:04.28Peppe__hi
03:04.59Peppe__I have internet connection, but sudo apt-get update stuck at 0% and connecting to irc.freenode.net is failing in hexchat
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03:06.12somiajtry to figure out what is failing, first check ip resolution, does 'ping irc.freenode.net' return an ip address?
03:07.30Peppe__somiaj: 100% loss
03:07.44somiajbut you do get an ip?
03:07.54somiajcan you ping your gateway?
03:08.08Peppe__even pingin google . PING google.se(arn09s11-in-x03.1e100.net (2a00:1450:400f:807::2003)) 56 data bytes
03:09.22somiajthat isn't your gateway, start with your gateway, see if you can at least communicate within your network.
03:09.26rantwth
03:09.39rant,depends libdrm-dev
03:09.40juddPackage libdrm-dev in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libdrm2 (= 2.4.74-1), libdrm-intel1 (= 2.4.74-1), libdrm-radeon1 (= 2.4.74-1), libdrm-nouveau2 (= 2.4.74-1), libdrm-amdgpu1 (= 2.4.74-1).
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03:09.50rantnow class, can anyone tell me what's wrong here?
03:10.07rant,v libdrm2
03:10.08juddPackage: libdrm2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.40-1~deb7u2; jessie: 2.4.58-2; jessie-backports: 2.4.74-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.74-1; stretch-backports: 2.4.91-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.92-1; sid: 2.4.92-1
03:10.41Peppe__somiaj: yes. gatway works good
03:10.51rantwonders wth his system is trying to pull in libdrm2 from backports
03:12.02somiajrant: in what way is it trying to pull that in? What command did you run? Do you have it from backports already?
03:12.25rantI'm trying to apt-get build-dep retroarch
03:13.20somiaj,v retroarch
03:13.21juddPackage: retroarch on amd64 -- buster: 1.3.6+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.3.6+dfsg1-1; stretch: 1.3.6+dfsg1-1; experimental: 1.4.1+dfsg1-1
03:13.40rantthats when it says this depends on a bunch of stuff that won't be installed, and when I tell it to apt-get install those things it tells me libdrm-dev depends on libdrm2 but the backports version is to be installed
03:13.50somiajrant: apt-policy libdrm2 (maybe you had that installed from backports already, so it needs to pull in the -dev from backports as well)
03:13.55somiajarg apt policy (no dash)
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03:14.41ranthmm wonder how that happened
03:15.09somiajrant: aptitude why libdrm2 -- see if you have a package that depends on libdrm2 from backports.
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03:15.39rantwould have to install aptitude first
03:15.46peyammmsomiaj: can not ping.
03:15.55peyammmdisabled firewall
03:15.56somiajpeyammm: cannot ping your gateway?
03:16.11somiajpeyammm: you could try traceroute, and see where things get stuck
03:16.21somiajmaybe your gateway isn't letting you through for some reason.
03:16.28peyammmsomiaj: I can ping my gatwat
03:16.45peyammmbut not ouside it.
03:16.57peyammmI can  use chrome to surf
03:17.12somiajsounds like your gateway isn't letting you some things through.
03:17.13peyammmbut can not ping or load irc on hexchat or update repo
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03:18.18rantugh.. it was that damn debian multimedia repo
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03:18.55somiajdmo?
03:19.03rantI think I'm going to reinstall.. this is fubar :P
03:19.10somiajpeyammm: anyways, sounds like the system is working just fine, unsure what your gateway could be doing.
03:19.14somiaj!dmo
03:19.14dpkgWe recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems.  They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons.  See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>.  See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
03:20.10rantwant to get rid of the /boot and move /usr and /home anyhow
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03:47.42_Coffeehello, in the data.tar.gz file of a .deb package I see a bunch of folders, like ./var/, ./var/lib/, etc
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03:48.15_Coffeeif I extract this file in my current directory, will that whole directory structure appear in my home directory?
03:48.42somiaj_Coffee: why not just dpkg -x foo.deb /path/to/extract
03:49.12_Coffeeokay, I'll try that
03:49.21somiajbut yes, you should be able to extract the contents into the current directory, and it will give you the filetree, but I would use dpkg for this over ar and tar
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03:50.11_Coffeeyeah, I was just wondering if you needed to use dpkg because the file structure looks like the main filesystem, so I was thinking the dpkg program puts the files in the right respective directories.
03:50.38_Coffeeyou feel me? Like the /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg would be extracted into the real /etc/dpkg/ folder
03:51.00somiajthat is only if you install it, you can extract it to alternative locations if needed (sometimes nice to force things into a chroot)
03:51.07somiajor just to extract the contents to look at them
03:51.16_Coffeeahh
03:51.54somiaj(you can also install in atlernative locations, but then you need a dpkg database to use)
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03:53.31_Coffeethat's complicated
03:54.11somiajor just to much info, anyways, dpkg -x should do what you want, unless this is an xy-problem
03:54.55themillnote that installing to somewhere other than / is unlikely to work and that unpacking with dpkg -x is unlikely to give anything functional for many packages
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03:56.46_Coffeethemill: thanks for the advice
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04:14.46nekoseamHow would I go about completely removing systemd and installing runit?
04:15.11nekoseamIs it as simple and autoremoving systemd and installing runit? I don't have things actively running that require it
04:15.19somiajnekoseam: first, you can't completely remove systemd. You can use sysv instead of systemd for the init system, but you still have to have parts of systemd on your system.
04:15.21somiaj!remove systemd
04:15.22dpkgTo use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-.  To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc>
04:15.47nekoseamthanks
04:15.49somiajnekoseam: oh sorry, runit, runit will be similar to using sysv, but note that not many packages may contain runit scripts by default.
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04:33.30vegenaisehi chat. can anyone point me to a debian program that is very noob friendly for testing/ascertaining the health of a harddrive? have an old system with two dead drives and one that i think is ok, but they all seem to be ok at first before they get errors and i can't remember which one was the good one off-hand
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04:36.10jordanmvegenaise: pretty much the only thing out there is smartctl, which unfortunately isn't too newb friendly
04:37.09jordanmthere could be more user-friendly interfaces for it, though
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04:37.31jordanmgsmartcontrol perhaps
04:37.54vegenaisei'll check that out, thanks!
04:38.00somiajsmartctl isn't that bad, just copy/paste the correct command, and it prints out health.
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04:46.24Peyamand 5 minutes for doing a apt updatre
04:46.26Peyamand 5 minutes for doing a apt update
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04:48.56somiajPeyam: but you have no lag between your machine and gateway still? Is this wireless? It still sounds like some issue with your network, not the debian box (unless you also have such lag with your gateway)
04:49.06Peyamno
04:49.22PeyamI try now to do this : https://askubuntu.com/questions/148433/apt-get-take-long-time-to-update-upgrade
04:50.31somiajI think the issue is something out side of apt-get, if irc takes a while as well. What are you using as your gateway?
04:50.45Peyam192.168.0.1
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04:51.44somiajI mean, is it some router? Do you have other machines on that network? Do you have the same lag when connecting to other machiens on the network?
04:52.01Peyamyes I do
04:52.25somiajwell that is another test you could do, copy some file in your network, if things seem to work fine in your network, it is something with your router.
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05:18.14willembHi. I have a squeeze server with bareos-filedaemon and unbound installed. I dont want to run unbound, it is mereley installed because I need some tools from the package. However, bareos-filedaemon depends on nss, and when named is installed, it thinks it has to run to satisfy the nss requirement. How do I undo that so that I can start bareos-filedaemon?
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06:07.48aindilishas anyone written a recommender system for Debian packages based on install history?
06:08.02aindiliskind of like Amazon's
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06:09.21somiajwhat do you mean by that? What sort of recommender system are you thinking of? Or do you want some info about how popular different packages are?
06:09.44Svetait recommends packages to try based on packages which you installed (recently)
06:10.26somiajdebian packages already do that with a 'recommended' and 'suggested' list of packages, so still not quite sure what is wanted.
06:11.30aindiliswell it's just I want to exploit the information available in the package list, but I cannot just read it straight
06:11.38aindilisapt-cache search -f .
06:11.54aindilisI want it to know what my interests are and to recommend packages that I might be interested in
06:12.21aindilisI have written something similar but it was keyword based
06:12.31somiajso if you say use a wm, you want it to recommend all window managers avaialble?
06:12.35somiajyou could see if debtags works for you
06:12.55aindiliswell it should be more targetted than that in theory
06:13.10aindilisdebtags certainly is necessary here
06:13.18aindilisI wrote something that automatically assigned deb tags
06:13.24aindilisusing svm classifier
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06:15.14themilldebtags or axi-search had something like that iirc
06:15.23themillpeople who liked these packages also liked
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06:36.25jordanmOS-37654: sure you don't want to go with "hunter2"?
06:37.17Haohmaruhey hunter2 is my password, think of something else!!1
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06:37.49OS-37654oops
06:38.03OS-37654Sorry, first time using irc heh
06:38.12sebastien_hello everybody
06:38.25Tech_8hey sebastien_
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06:38.56sebastien_hi Tech_8
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06:39.41babilenOS-37654: You might want to change that password everywhere you re-used it. I'd also strongly recommend to "/query" nickserv first before interacting with it to prevent information leaks like this
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06:41.12OS-37654babilen I messaged you
06:42.29michael2how is it that the message was printed anyway? I thought any line starting with a /foo would be interpreted by the irc client and not posted to the channel?
06:42.33annadanewell, if you put a space between the start of the line and /
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06:42.56michael2oh wow, lol
06:43.05annadaneso probably accidental hitting of spacebar
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06:44.58babilenexactly
06:45.14babilenHence the recommendation to "/query" first
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07:08.18birkoffwhy is the wiki of debian not accessible ?
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07:15.19AziroshinI go even further, and only do sensitive operations in network-tabs and the like, where such a mistake won't lead to a leak of such sort.
07:16.28AziroshinIf not in a /query, of course, which would indeed be the best option anyway. Scratch the "further" part. I just got up. XD
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07:22.53amprxchello, i have a problem : how to put a ipv6 address as DNS server in dnsmasq dhcp-option ? Actually i can put ipv4 addresses, but dnsmasq can't start if I put an IPv6. Actually, this : "dhcp-option=6,8.8.8.8" is working. But how to put an ipv6 address instead of 8.8.8.8 ? I tried "dhcp-option=6,2001:4860:4860::8888" and "dhcp-option=6,[2001:4860:4860::8888]" but it didn't worked. Can anyone help me pls ?
07:24.00DaggerI don't know if this answers your question, but: you can't distribute v6 DNS servers over DHCPv4, you'll need to do it over DHCPv6 (or RDNSS)
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07:25.38amprxcDagger, thanks for your answer; I know that but android doesn't support dhcpv6 ::
07:25.40amprxc:/
07:26.28DaggerRDNSS then
07:26.29juhoptry option dhcp6.name-servers 2001:4860:4860::8888
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07:27.22Dagger(and strictly speaking you don't *need* v6 DNS servers. you can look up any record types over any transport)
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07:29.43amprxcDagger i will look that RDNSS. juhop, it doesn't works.
07:30.03amprxcDagger i try to make an IPv6 only network
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07:31.06Daggerokay, yeah, then you'll need a v6 DNS server
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08:03.37hegemoOngood morning, any preseed master ? im stuck because during dhcp configuration at boot, we dont define any dns.
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08:04.17hegemoOnwhen i try to create a VM, the automated install process stop on query to define a nameserver,
08:04.30hegemoOni would like to automatically continue without defining a nameserver
08:04.51hegemoOnwhen i take remote controle over rdp, i can continue the install process without defining a nameserver
08:05.01hegemoOnhow can i achieve that with debian-installer ?
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08:09.30hegemoOnmy fear is that it has nothing to do with preseed, as far as it is at the early begining of the install process at network detection/configuration for the installation.
08:09.52hegemoOntherefore, may be it cannot be modified in the preseed file
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08:34.09dionysus69I am on stable KDE and I get dbus-daemon 1.5gb memory leak, there are other bugs like this, if DE is this buggy it shouldn't be in the list of tasksel
08:34.17dionysus69of a stable* debian
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08:40.39opvhey all, i'm having a small issue with logrotate on debian 8. i've edited the logrotate.d/apache2 as to "rotate 7", but i still have more than 7 logfiles per website, and some older than 7 days, in my /var/log/apache2. i'd be thankful for assistance, as I'm not sure what's wrong here
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08:42.22Foxopv: pastebin your config please
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08:43.43opvFox: https://pastebin.com/n5Cq5Mdp
08:45.28Foxdid you try "logrotate -d -f /etc/logrotate.d/apache2" to see what's going on ?
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08:47.09opvFox: looks to me like it's ignoring the older logfiles. maybe because they're gzipped and therefore not *.log ?
08:47.20Foxoh sure :)
08:48.09Foxif the gzipped files were gzipped by logrotate it should remove them anyway
08:48.19opvyeah, that's exactly what's not happening
08:48.31opvi'll just go ahead and remove them manually then...
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08:55.57Foxopv: and check tomorrow to see if you have the right count of log files :)
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09:12.38opvyeah...
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09:18.58fred__tvHi, usb wifi adapter : why wpa_supplicant process doesn't start (so no wifi) unless I comment out the "gateway" entry relative to wired eth0 on /etc/network/interfaces ??
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09:22.29fred__tvhttps://pastebin.com/gYZmArx8
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09:58.46airwindhey, is it a good idea to move /tmp to RAM (tmpfs)?
09:59.40airwind(desktop PC, no SSD)
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10:01.04vltairwind: Depends in your needs. I use tmpfs for /tmp on several machines but not all of them.
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10:04.25airwindvlt: what's your fstab entry? Do you use nosuid,nodev flags?
10:04.37airwindI heard noexec flag is a bad idea
10:06.46airwindactually wait, I just read you can use tmp.mount on systemd
10:07.01airwindsystemctl enable tmp.mount
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10:12.39mindbubbleGood day, I'm kind of new to this channel but I already have some questions I like to ask regarding root access on a debian 32 bit server.
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10:14.11mindbubbleFor a school project I need to change the root privilages on a secure machine, I tryd booting in recovery mode to Remount the server but I need to enter the root password that i dont have
10:14.29mindbubbleIs there some one who could help me with this?
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10:17.11p0g0mindbubble: fwiw, you are asking the exact questions someone trying to hack a server they have no rights to... I'm already suspicious, for example.
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10:18.53petn-randall!frp
10:18.53dpkgFor GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
10:19.12mindbubbleI understand, I do have access but just as a guest user. For this school project we need to search for vulnerbilities in a php code project. But the .vbi file that i have is restricted that's why i asked :)
10:19.20petn-randallmindbubble: See the factoid above ^^^. Note that you should only do that if you actually have authority to do so.
10:19.31mindbubbleThank you kind sir :)
10:19.37kirk781Bluetooth speakers output so low quality audio over the default HSP profile
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10:30.27vltairwind: This is an fstab line: "tmpfs  /tmp  tmpfs  size=2G  0 0"
10:32.00darxmurfanybody runing KDE plasma here and know how to force the "folder view" mode by default instead of this "Default Desktop" ?
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10:35.07chalcedonymy husband wants to get me a new motherboard. searching doesn't bring it up with debian, any thoughts on whether it will work?
10:35.44petn-randallchalcedony: What model and make is this?
10:35.48chalcedonyASUS M5A78L-M Plus/USB3 DDR3 HDMI DVI USB 3.0 760G MicroATX Motherboard  https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01FN9QT34/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=
10:36.16chalcedonyseveral places have them
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10:37.53petn-randallchalcedony: I expect it to run fine. It's usually (brand-new) graphics cards and Wifi that can give you problems.
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10:38.40chalcedonypetn-randall, yes, i remember
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10:38.56chalcedonythank you :)
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10:49.12Haohmarui've only had issues installing debian on certain old/obscure laptops
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10:49.34krylhi, can you please give me a good idea for a popup reminder tool ? :-)
10:50.03Haohmaruyou'll have paperclip soon in github
10:53.37Haohmarukryl, did you search in synaptic/apt for "reminder" ?
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10:55.16colo-workdist-upgrading an old wheezy machines with a TON of packages installed, `apt-get update` with jessie sources give this warning: "W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package sagenb-export" (repeated with different packages for a few times). what gives?
10:56.02petn-randall!bat
10:56.02dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:56.13petn-randallcolo-work: Can you provide all info in a single paste? ^^^
10:56.47colo-workpetn-randall, https://paste.debian.net/1028178/
10:56.58colo-workah, "full" means even more full
10:57.00colo-workwait a second pls :)
10:57.29petn-randallcolo-work: Yes, reading the whole factoid helps tremendously. :)
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10:58.07krylHaohmaru, I'll go for globonote there is a reminder. thank you.
11:00.29colo-workpetn-randall, https://paste.debian.net/plainh/0fc8fb40
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11:03.56petn-randallcolo-work: Did you upgrade it to the latest wheezy before dist-upgrading?
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11:05.56petn-randallcolo-work: I'd check that first, this is a bug that seems to pop up when you try to skip releases.
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11:06.29colo-workpetn-randall, no, the snapshot I'm trying this on is a few months old
11:06.37colo-workso it's wheezy from ~january this year
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11:06.57colo-work(looking to be upgraded to jessie as of today)
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11:08.46colo-workI'll try to get the wheezy snapshot up to date first
11:09.27petn-randallcolo-work: Yes, try that first. If that faily, temporarily remove jessie-backports, that seems to be the issue.
11:09.47colo-workpetn-randall, thanks for the hint; we don't intend to use packages from that repo there anyway
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11:31.14sjimmie322Hey guys im trying to run debian in virtualbox but im getting end kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exit code=0x0000000b
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11:32.54test_hi
11:32.58ConingCoHey
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11:35.24ConingCoI guess you'll have to pick an irc based on what you want to know, instead of a general blackhat irc
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11:36.52test_cool!! i found
11:36.55test_bye
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11:44.00Maverickswhat's a good link to view man pages on the browser similar to devdocs.io ?
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11:45.14petn-randallMavericks: I'd say the whole premise is wrong. Use 'man' to view them, that's the only way to ensure that they fit with the version of the command you have installed.
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11:47.04themillmanpages.debian.org is a good resource though
11:48.03petn-randallMavericks: Oh, and you could use debiman to generate your own web pages.
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12:02.32hassonoferI'm running Debian Jessie on a new Dell Latitude laptop, the touchpad keys are "mixed" only by running xinput set mapping I can fix them, did anyone had that experience ? how do I fix it permanently ?
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12:03.25petn-randallhassonofer: If you're running oldstable on a new laptop, chances are your problems will go away by upgrading.
12:03.50hicksNot sure about a real fix, but when I need to remap things I tend to just pop it into my bashrc. But I'd first upgrade to stretch as jessie is moving to limited LTS support this month I think?
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12:04.42hassonoferpetn-randall, I'm planning to upgrading to Stretch, but I wish to have a temporary solution for now...
12:04.43juddNo package named 'jitsi' was found in amd64.
12:05.02hassonoferThanks anyway
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12:08.53jellyhassonofer: or you will have a different set of problems!
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12:47.04cesso, what is the best way to find a computer that changes network rather frequently?
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12:47.41cesfyi, i have access to it atm, but it's assumed that it will move around
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12:51.01deegoDoes anyone else see this: On debian stable, any invocation of webmagick, including --help yields this: Can't use 'defined(%hash)' (Maybe you should just omit the defined()?) at /usr/bin/webmagick line 1329.
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13:13.49rjdp9736I am on debian using sublime , does sublime use system fonts ? I need to change sublime fonts as they are looking quite hideous
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13:31.17NetTerminalGenewhy does google use their own debian testing base distro instead of stable?
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13:37.20babilenNetTerminalGene: What's the purpose of testing? Why might Google decide to base their own 'stable' release base on testing in the light of that? What advantages does basing your own distribution on testing have over basing in on stable?
13:38.28NetTerminalGenebabilen, do you have any answer?
13:38.32FinalX<PROTECTED>
13:38.51NetTerminalGenei expect guessing
13:39.10greycatBecause they love the letter T, and testing has twice as many Ts as stable.
13:39.37greycatAlso infinitely more Gs.
13:40.25Haohmaruokay, now i see why google doesn't like me
13:41.05FinalXhmhm, no G's and no T's.
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13:41.44TrelIs there anything I can do with the installer for Debian so it doesn't try DHCP before offering me the optioin to manually configure the network?
13:43.04jellygreycat: stretch is current stable so the same amount of tees
13:44.00HaohmaruTrel, i think you can press Back and then get to that list of "steps" of the installation process
13:44.01greycatHe didn't say *good* guessing.
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13:44.13jellybut buster has just 50%
13:44.35TrelHaohmaru: can you do that while it's doing the DHCP check or do you have to wait for it to fail first?
13:44.38Haohmaruor unplug the cable so that network configuration fails, and then press back..
13:44.45TrelNot as easy on a VM
13:44.49Haohmarui don't remember
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13:45.11Haohmarubut in many places of the installation you can press Back and get to "that list" i mentioned
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13:45.27farruinnTrel: drop into a shell? The expert install option also gives you more control.
13:45.57Haohmarufarruinn, i'm scared of "expert/advanced" installation
13:46.05Haohmaru..since i installed slackware that way
13:46.06Haohmarux_x
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13:47.05farruinnHaohmaru: "expert" in the debian install just means you always go to that list you mentioned. Might be a couple additional list items as well.
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13:47.19Haohmaruoh, k then
13:47.37Haohmaruthe slackware horror was.. it asked for absolutely every package
13:47.38TrelYeah, I've gone back before, the rest of the install is fine, I'd just love if I could choose manual/automatic before it tries.
13:47.45TrelActually that may be something to suggest then
13:49.42TrelDo you want to install the keyboard driver (y/n): ?
13:49.53Trel</Slackware>
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13:59.18SerajewelKSwhat would cause cron to use UTC for running jobs instead of the system timezone?  the timezone was set weeks ago and the box has rebooted since then, but cron is still using a UTC clock to run jobs.
13:59.53greycatIt should use the default timezone, as defined in 'cat /etc/timezone'
14:00.19greycatMaybe the *clock* is set wrong?
14:01.21babilenNetTerminalGene: Basically: Testing is used as a tool to create the next stable release in Debian (nothing else) and therefore serves as a good starting point if you want to bake your own distribution with newer software than what is in stable.
14:01.31SerajewelKSgreycat: date -> Wed Jun  6 10:01:21 EDT 2018
14:01.39SerajewelKSjobs still ran four hours late
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14:02.04greycatSerajewelKS: ls -ld /etc/timezone; cat /etc/timezone
14:02.26SerajewelKSgreycat: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 May 30 03:30 /etc/timezone \n America/Indiana/Indianapolis
14:02.57SerajewelKSokay now i'm wondering if i didn't reboot
14:03.01SerajewelKSuptime is 7+ days
14:03.12SerajewelKSso i guess i just need to restart cron.  sheesh.
14:03.35SerajewelKSdammit.  nothing like being sure of something that ain't so.
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14:14.51Akuwactually i have a mail service with a private provider. it is possible to create a mirror server if that server go off line ?
14:15.26greycatIn DNS, the MX record(s) define where to deliver mail for your domain.  They have a priority number.
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14:16.05jellyAkuw: you can use tools like imapsync to make incrementally updated copies of user's mailboxes
14:16.20greycatBe warned that setting up a secondary MX is *difficult* to get right, because you'll want it to have some knowledge of which users/accounts are valid email addresses, so it can reject mail instead of bouncing mail.
14:16.36Akuwbt what happen if that server go off line, then all mails will go to my own server ?
14:16.47greycatWhat do you *want* to happen?
14:17.17jellyAkuw: that is not a good idea.  If your mail provider is unreliable, switch to a different provider (that includes self-hosting)
14:17.32jellydo NOT use secondary MX
14:17.40Akuwok, this days the mail server goes off line because provider had a problem with hardware so the company can't have mail
14:17.56Akuwthen what is the solution for this case
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14:19.21jellyAkuw: set up mailbox storage and users (MDA), set up smtp server that accepts mail for relevant addresses and delivers to said storage (MTA), switch over DNS records
14:19.50Akuwi mean, Mail Server A is a private mail server provider, then i would like if that server goes off line then all mails go to my Server B
14:19.50jellyDNS records include: MX records, SPF (TXT record), maybe more
14:20.03greycatI'd listen to jelly.  He's good at this.
14:20.28Akuwjelly: then it is possible?
14:20.37jellyAkuw: you can have MDA and MTA set up in advance.  When shit hits the fan, just switch over the DNS records
14:21.03jellyof course it's possible, it's how people change mail providers
14:21.16Akuwthen if provider server goes off line i can get mails in my server
14:21.23jellyyes.
14:21.35Akuwbut both servers will have same mails? like mirror ?
14:21.41greycatno
14:22.03jellyAkuw: no, that's not easy to setup and has other requirements.
14:22.13Akuwok
14:22.32greycatJelly is proposing that you make a PERMANENT switch to your own mail server.
14:22.33jellyreplicated MDA is nice to have but varying degrees of complexity
14:22.39Akuwthe other option is to configure our own mail server right?
14:22.41jellyyes.
14:22.50Akuwok
14:22.52Akuwi see
14:23.03jellyif your mail provider is not reliable, switch to a reliable one.
14:23.11Akuwheheheheh
14:23.14Akuwis a solution
14:23.54jellyyou can copy and synchronize mailboxes IF the source provider still works.  If it dies it's dead.
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14:24.14krylhi
14:24.19jellyif you think it's going to die soon, switch before it's too late?
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14:24.36greycatsounds like it already slightly died
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14:25.10jellythat said, if you have different implementations of IMAP you can whip up poor-man's replication with imapsync
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14:25.35jellyworks better when you have a master password that works on all users
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14:25.58petn-randallimapsync is actually quite good if you want to migrate. I used it a couple of weeks ago to move an account.
14:26.03krylXFS (dm-6): metadata I/O error: block 0x81a4e50 < there is a cluster of faw disk mounted in stripping mode with LVM, one of them seems to have problem. Is it possible to find it if I know the block of the partition ?
14:26.06jelly(dovecot has that, courier too, even office365 has a master password setup)
14:27.36Akuwok
14:27.39jellykryl: you should be able to figure it out from dmtable output, maybe.  Ask in #lvm, that's where upstream devs for device-mapper hang out and they might know if there's a saner way
14:28.02jellyerm.  "dmsetup table", not dmtable
14:28.08Akuwis the any documentation about how to install and configure own mail server
14:28.23jellyheh
14:28.25Akuwso if i buy a domain name DNS will be?
14:28.46Akuwjelly: just to know how to create one, it is not for migration
14:28.50jellyAkuw: it's half a dozen components or more, each with their own docs, and a dozen RFC documents
14:28.50kryljelly, alright. thank you
14:29.18Akuwthank you jelly for previous info
14:29.38Akuwsuppose i want to create my own mail server, what i need to read ?
14:29.59greycatYou seem confused about DNS and domains, so I'd start there.
14:30.12jellyAkuw: all of that.
14:30.34jellyas a mail admin, "don't self host mail, pay someone else to do it"
14:31.02Akuwjelly: i understand that
14:31.10greycatand this time, pick someone whose hardware doesn't go down for days at a time
14:31.15Akuwbut i want to learn how to install and configure
14:31.28Akuwgreycat: for sure
14:31.36jellyAkuw: https://workaround.org/ has one usable setup based on debian, postfix and dovecot and virtual users
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14:32.42jellyAkuw: each of the components has their own "how to install and configure", the MTA, the MDA, antispam, user databases, webmail if you want it...
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14:32.57Akuwok
14:33.23Akuwlittle question, once mail server is installed how the people can reach it?
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14:33.34Akuwbuying domain name  ?
14:33.35jellythen dkim/dmarc signing for improved delivery, then encryption, then something for a feedback loop....
14:33.35greycatUsually IMAP or (older) POP3.
14:34.09greycatI assumed by "people" you meant "my users".
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14:34.27jellya domain under your control is a requirement if you want to receive mail for that domain yes
14:34.37Akuwok
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14:36.29jellyI mean you _can_ just install postfix and dovecot-imapd and use unix users and make it work, but soon after that you start getting spam, sending spam, and having problems with delivery and then you have to learn about all the details
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14:39.58Akuwok
14:40.34Akuwjelly: you know, here i buy a domain and can request DNS changes
14:40.43Akuwthen i need a public ip
14:40.50Akuw?
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14:42.06greycatTo receve mail, yes.
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14:42.32greycatnot for *$e
14:42.35petn-randall(It also helps greatly for sending mails, assuming you're not using a relay account).
14:42.36greycat... mischannel
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14:44.04jellyAkuw: you need a server with a static ip to put in the MX (or A) record for your domain.
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14:44.56Akuwin the case i am using a DSL to test ?
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14:45.24jellyyou can't test delivery from the internet without a static ip and valid DNS records
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14:45.35jellyand tcp/25 access to that IP
14:45.46greycatUsing DSL to test *what* precisely?  How is that going to mimic your real target solution?
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14:46.27Akuwok, i will buy domain name and need to point to my pc
14:46.47jellyand many providers will just block inbound 25/tcp traffic to consumer DSL subscribers
14:46.49greycatIt needs to point to a server at some point.  Where is your server?
14:47.09jellyso no, you can't have a mail server on your DSL
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14:47.11Akuwgreycat: this is only to test
14:47.17Akuwhumm
14:47.18greycatAgain, to test *what*?
14:47.21jellyget a cheap VPS somewhere.
14:47.22Akuwthen i need a VPS
14:47.27Akuwyes
14:47.31Akuwis the solution
14:47.34AkuwVPS
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14:48.03jellyand then you'll have an A record and will be able to test sending to username@full.hostname.example.org right after installing a MTA
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14:49.05Akuwactually i have a domain name, but when i use whois there is 2 DNS servers
14:49.21jellyyou can test things out with a subdomain
14:50.07Akuwfor mail servers i have to request they add A record?
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14:50.30jellyand a matching PTR record.
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14:50.47TvL2386and a MX record?
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14:50.53TvL2386:)
14:50.53jellynot required
14:51.10jellybut nice to have and easier to manage later
14:51.26TvL2386how is a remote mailserver going to find yours without an MX record
14:51.46greycatthey fall back to A record if MX is missing
14:51.50TvL2386ohw
14:51.55greycatbut ideally you'll have both
14:51.57jellyTvL2386: RFC5321 says in absence of MX record an A record is used
14:51.58TvL2386I did not know that
14:52.05TvL2386okay
14:52.10TvL2386TIL
14:53.16jellyread chapters 5.  Address Resolution and Mail Handling  5.1.  Locating the Target Host
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14:54.07TvL2386I will! After I've found out how to get this script to run before my interface comes up on ubuntu-18.04
14:54.17TvL2386no "pre-up" -_-
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14:55.56Akuwi would like the learning path to Mail, DNS, Proxy and DHCP
14:56.20TvL2386I'm managing firewall rules using `iptables-restore < /etc/iptables-v4`. Works great and fine... But with this new `netplan` way of managing interfaces it won't execute the /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables-restore script anymore
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14:58.12TvL2386Akuw: good luck!
14:58.18jellyI wish I had a course to recommend.
14:58.29Akuwjelly: hehehehe
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14:58.38TvL2386I have this Linux For Dummies book upstairs which teaches all those things :)
14:58.49TvL2386it's over 10 years old though
14:58.54Akuwhehehe
14:59.00jellyTvL2386: netplan is not in Debian yet, so problem solved :)
14:59.23TvL2386jelly: yeah I can't say it's been a pleasant surprise :)
14:59.24jellybut I heard they have a web site with DOCUMENTATION
14:59.34TvL2386I didn't only hear it, I read it
14:59.36jellyand an irc channel, too
14:59.46TvL2386yeah, I'm there, asked the question 2 hours ago
14:59.51TvL2386but nobody is saying anything
14:59.53jellybe patient
15:00.32jelly(also, #ubuntu-server)
15:00.44TvL2386cool!
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15:00.49TvL2386didn't know that channel exists
15:00.58TvL2386I've asked it in #ubuntu, but no response either
15:01.05jelly/msg alis list keyword
15:01.12jellyto search for channels
15:01.33jellyand /msg alis help
15:02.02jellyalis is freenode-specific, other irc networks have /list
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15:03.25TvL2386nice :)
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15:13.34bitSt0rmNeed help to fix my nvidia-drivers, I messed them up trying to install steam. These are my currently installed packages: http://oi68.tinypic.com/vfkruq.jpg
15:13.49bitSt0rmRunning Debian stretch
15:14.00nkuttlerbitSt0rm: please use paste.debian.net
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15:14.17bitSt0rmnp, few secs
15:14.28nkuttleralso, why do you think something is broken?
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15:15.21jellybitSt0rm: what fails to work? Does X start?
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15:16.09bitSt0rm(I don't know how to shrink my image nkuttler, will use paste.debian.net in the future)
15:16.29kazdaxhello users
15:16.37bitSt0rmjelly, x starts I think. My desktop works fine LXDE, openbox f.e.
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15:17.57bitSt0rmjelly, but I accidently installed a bunch of 340xx drivers which I think overwrite bumblebee settings
15:18.32bitSt0rmjelly, and I need to do a complete reinstall now is the easietst i think
15:20.10bitSt0rmjelly, bumblebee has no manpages f.e., and it can't start.
15:20.33bitSt0rmSo I really messed some stuff up
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15:20.41jellybitSt0rm: I'd purge all the nvidia thingies, then redo from there
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15:23.12jellybitSt0rm: see if this catches them all: aptitude search '~i ?or(?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx),?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers))'
15:23.21bitSt0rmjelly, thanks!
15:23.29jellyif it does change search to purge
15:23.56jellymaybe even without ~i
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15:30.58RedSoxFan07bitSt0rm: Just out of curiousity, which gen card are you using?
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15:32.12bitSt0rmRedSoxFan07, 1050Ti (Mobile)
15:32.22RedSoxFan07Interesting.
15:32.44bitSt0rmRedSoxFan07, how come?
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15:34.12bitSt0rmBtw, what is the difference between using aptitude purge and apt-get purge?
15:35.36hxmulleraptitude is also Y2K-compliant, non-fattening, naturally cleansing, and housebroken
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15:39.11deegoand grass-fed. bitSt0rm: none. OTOH, I don't know if aptitude can do the equivalent of apt-get install --purge
15:39.33deegoanyone know?
15:42.04jellybitSt0rm: aptitude purges automatically removed dependencies I think; apt-get does not
15:42.05hxmullerdeego: a review of both manpages show that they do the same thing
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15:46.25RedSoxFan07bitSt0rm: I can't get my GT 1030 working with the 390.48 driver. When I have that driver installed and the GPU in the PC, I only get past the FSCK screen to be stuck with a blinking text cursor.
15:48.44Akuwjelly: thank you very much
15:48.52deegojelly and hxmuller: thanks i didn't know that
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15:48.59Akuwi will start reading https://workaround.org/
15:49.08deegothat is, aptitude purges when removing?
15:49.19Akuwthanks greycat
15:49.24RedSoxFan07bitSt0rm: Though, when I connect the display to the other port on the GPU, it gets a little further. It gives me an error message that says: Failed to start Light Display Manager. See 'systemctl status lightdm.service for details"
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15:50.46deegoah, aptitude seems to have (finally?) added a --purge-unused option.
15:51.24deegoAnd, it is only when i use it that I see {p} so it's probably not the default
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15:52.45deego<hxmuller> deego: a review of both manpages show that they do the same thing <<=== my q was not about comparing apt-get purge and aptitude purge. It was to find an equivalent of apt-get install --purge
15:53.10deegoexample apt-get install foo --purge will purge any bar that's installed when instaling foo
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15:53.36bitSt0rmRedSoxFan07 do /etc/X11/xorg.conf exsist?
15:54.41bitSt0rmRedSoxFan07, I had to remove it - you could try changing the filename to xorg.conf.backup for example, and see if it works out maybe?
15:56.03somiajThe xorg.conf file shouldn't exist unless it was created by something, and the old tool to create it isn't suggested with modern xorg.
15:57.22bitSt0rmsomiaj, it somehow got installed for me, when I installed the drivers|bumblebee|optimus, not sure which one it was
15:57.34bitSt0rm*created
15:58.04bitSt0rmsomiaj, so basically xorg.conf is useless in any case?
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16:00.52somiajbitSt0rm: usually instructions have someone run some xconfig or tool that generates an xorg.conf file, and I don't suggest using that.
16:01.21somiajbitSt0rm: if using nvidia sometimes you have to add a few lines to an xorg.conf (some things don't get automatically detected), but I find it better to only add the pieces needed, not to generate a full file
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16:01.35somiajI thikn optimus is similar, but unsure on that hardware since I have avoided owning any machiens with it
16:02.00somiajthough I think in stretch, nvidia is auto detected, optimus may not be, make sure you follow the wiki for optimus hardware
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16:04.13bitSt0rmsomiaj, I think you are correct about running some tool that generated the file. Bad memory.
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16:06.11bitSt0rmI couldn't quite get the solution (previously suggested) to work for reconfiguring my drivers. I'm gonna try to purge all nvidia-packages on my machine - will that be safe? I'm a bit afraid to end up with a system that wont boot into terminal at the least, for example
16:07.13hxmullerReporting in on getting Ryzen 3 2200g to boot: cannot compile 4.17 kernel using stable (requires gcc-7 apparently), compiling today using testing
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16:07.59greycat,kernels
16:08.00juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.16.5-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
16:08.01judd3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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16:09.28hxmullerjudd: thanks, experimental 4.17 is also available by source
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16:10.06greycatIt's available from upstream (kernel.org), but not in experimental yet.
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16:11.02hxmullergit clone https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux.git  <== that gets you 4.17
16:11.31greycatmore experimental than experimental?
16:11.39hxmulleri started compiling it yesterday, it threw a bunch of errors
16:11.49hxmullerturns out 4.17 wants gcc-7
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16:12.26somiaj,v gcc-7
16:12.27juddPackage: gcc-7 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.0-19; sid: 7.3.0-21
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16:12.49somiajwonder what they do to backport in the case gcc-7 is needed (as it might be needed for 4.16 as well)
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16:13.26somiajthough I though some of the stuff needed in gcc-7 was backported to gcc-6 due to the meltdown fixes needing some additional feature in the compiler, like p-something
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16:13.34greycatprobably the same way they handled needing a patched gcc to build the spectre mitigation code in 4.9.x
16:13.55somiajyea, was wondering if maybe there was enough build stuff in backports to build it
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16:14.30somiajarg not p-something, retpoline
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16:15.04bitSt0rmCan I use aptitude/apt-get to search for 'removed packages reamining configuration files'?
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16:16.36somiajbitSt0rm: dpkg -l | grep ^rc
16:16.47somiajlists all packages that have been removed but still have config files on your system.
16:17.08bitSt0rmThanks! :)
16:17.17throwthecheeseHow can I charge my laptop from a portable source without an USB-C port?
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16:19.01somiajif the only way to power the device is via 120V AC, you'll need a big battery and a dc to ac converter.
16:19.22somiajI have that issue in my rv, needing to use an inverter to power my laptop due to using dc
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16:21.31throwthecheeseI need something for charging a laptop while commuting
16:21.42somiaj(though most laptops power cords convert ac to dc, so kinda annoying you can't just charge from dc directly)
16:22.24somiajunless you have some special laptop, you'll need a batery that an inverter, then plug your laptop into the inverter, and let it convert back to DC...I don't think most laptops have a nice way to be charged from dc directly.
16:23.28bitesthere are laptop power banks on amazon with an ac outlet.
16:23.47somiajso they have an inverter already built in?
16:23.54somiajnice, still be nice to be able to just charge from dc directly
16:24.01bitesyep. and yeah, the efficiency suffers a bit.
16:24.18throwthecheeseAre they compatible with all types of devices?
16:24.46bitesjust get one with more wattage than your charger.
16:24.50somiajshould be, the inverter produces ac current, you should be able to plug your laptop in like you would a wall socket.
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16:26.04throwthecheeseHow do I recover a lithium battery?
16:26.22somiajif the batery went bad, usually just need to get a new one?
16:26.33somiajis the actual issue your laptop batery is no longer working?
16:26.47somiajI have had to replace multiple batteries in my laptops over the years.
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16:28.08throwthecheeseThe device I'm using ATM is not giving its original 3-hour uptime
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16:28.48throwthecheeseWorse, it has a Li-ion battery
16:29.06somiajyea, batteries go bad over time. It might be cheaper to replace the laptop battery than buy some sort of external battery pack to carry around
16:29.25somiajand the old Li-ion batteries went bad far more often.
16:29.40nodisccthrowthecheese: If you are running something like xfce4-power-amanger or similar power manager it can guve you the factory capacity value vs. actual capacity
16:30.05throwthecheeseAnd the wire I use for that device started being really rebellious
16:30.06nodisccbut yeah my batteries are usually dead after a few years
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16:30.47nodisccthrowthecheese: better find the part number on the battery and look for a replacement one
16:30.51throwthecheeseThe battery in this device is at 40% capacity
16:32.32biteson my used thinkpad it helped doing a recalibration with tlp, but i don't know what you would do on something other than a thinkpad.
16:32.59throwthecheeseI have a separate laptop for travel and I have to use its power cable for this laptop
16:33.44somiajmaybe just hibernate the laptop (instead of suspend). You won't be able to use it while you travel, but you should be able to recover once you reboot it when it is plugged in
16:34.35throwthecheeseThere are lots of power cables at home, but all of the are FEMALE and I need a MALE cable as both of my laptops have a two-part charger
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16:35.23somiajthough this dosen't seem to much like debian support, ##hardware may have some other advise they should share.
16:35.40somiajbut I would replace the battery if it is going bad and you want ot keep the laptop mobil
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16:40.19bitSt0rm1) I've purged everything related to primus/optimus/bumblebee/nvidia.
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16:40.47bitSt0rm2) I get errors with broken dependencies: https://paste.debian.net/1028224/
16:41.28bitSt0rm3) I've tried apt-get update --fix-missing, and apt-get update --fix-broken, but still the same.
16:41.47bitSt0rmHow do I go about this?
16:43.13nkuttler,v nvidia-driver-libs
16:43.14juddPackage: nvidia-driver-libs on amd64 -- stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+3; buster/non-free: 390.48-3; sid/non-free: 390.59-1
16:43.36deegobitSt0rm: did you already try apt-get -f install?
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16:43.56deegoand if nothing else works, go to dpkg -r, etc. :)
16:44.15nkuttlerbitSt0rm: apt-cache policy nvidia-driver?
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16:46.16bitSt0rmdeego, apt-get -f didn't work. Will try your other suggestion in a minute. nkuttler: https://paste.debian.net/1028227/
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16:47.01nkuttlerbitSt0rm: which command did you actually use on https://paste.debian.net/1028224/ ? always add the command to your pastes
16:47.54bitSt0rmnkuttler, okay, will remember, I used: apt-cache policy nvidia-driver
16:48.01nkuttlerthat's the other paste
16:48.28bitSt0rmhttps://paste.debian.net/1028227/
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16:48.53nkuttlerthat's the other paste
16:49.25bitSt0rmOh sorry, I misunderstood: sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver
16:49.33bitSt0rmWas the command used
16:49.37nkuttlerbitSt0rm: which version do you want to install?
16:50.36bitSt0rmnkuttler, 390.48
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16:50.53nkuttlerbitSt0rm: man apt-get, use -t
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16:54.08bitSt0rmnkuttler, https://paste.debian.net/1028229/ --I've tried all the variations of the option -t --target-release etc.
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16:55.08nkuttlerbitSt0rm: that flag takes an argument
16:55.36bitSt0rmSorry, I will read the man page again
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16:58.23bitSt0rmsudo apt-get install -t '390.*' nvidia-driver ---- E: The value '390.*' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
16:58.57somiajbitSt0rm: -t stretch-backports
16:59.01somiajyou state the release name, not the version you want
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16:59.15bitSt0rmOh!
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17:00.02bitSt0rmWorks like magic! :D Thanks
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17:29.56bitSt0rmstartx terminates with error. I get: No devices deteted \n Fatal server error \n No screens found (EE). This happends after I created /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf with settings: section "Device" identifier \n "MyGPU" driver \n "nvidia" \n EndSection
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17:32.04bitSt0rmThat is: I cannot get to loginscreen and I try to run $startx from console
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17:34.34somiajbitSt0rm: this is optimous hardware? Sometimes you have to configure your bios to be able to use the nvidia as the only card.
17:34.36sysrplhello
17:35.13sysrplhey can someone please help me resolve strange problem? at both lightdm and gdm3, i can move my mouse, but left click don't ativate anything. they only cancel. as a result i cannot change my xsession. also, relate in cinnamon, the task panel doesn't not respond to left clicks as well
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17:35.18somiajbitSt0rm: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus -- check dynamic graphics disabled bios section
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17:37.45somiajsysrpl: you may need to check your Xorg.0.log file and see what sort of settings your pointer has. Sounds like some issue with your pointer device.
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17:43.07sysrplsomiaj, i have the same problem with my touchpad
17:43.10sysrpland my mouse
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17:53.12DammitJimis there a way for me to see on my server if other servers are connected to my samba shares?
17:53.19DammitJimlike if a server has a mount to my server?
17:53.43useless-eatergoing to put 4x 3T disks in a raid 10,  should I use software raid + lvm or btrfs?  Winchester disks. What would generally be best?
17:53.51useless-eaterDammitJim: smbstat or something I think
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17:54.09useless-eaterDammitJim: smbstatus
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17:55.25rflemingGreetings!
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17:55.53DammitJimthanks useless-eater, but does that tell you if there is a current active connection?
17:56.03rflemingis there some sort of guide that explains the files in .config?
17:56.16rfleming(for GNOME)
17:56.24Satoim trying to install my usb wifi card but i dont understand installing things on linux. Also no internet to get the driver online, i have to transfer it over on USB.
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17:56.56useless-eaterDammitJim: Hm yea, I thought so,  long time since I used samba,  but smbstatus gave me a nice view of all connected clients if I remember correctly
17:57.24somiajsysto: you could see xev and see what event is getting registered when you click the mouse. I'm not quite sure what the issue could be
17:58.19useless-eaterrfleming: the files inside ~/.config/ ?   Thats is where programs store user configuration mostly.
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17:59.49rfleminguseless-eater: yes, exactly.  I'm looking to back up portions of this folder, and want to know what is important and what isn't
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18:00.12useless-eaterrfleming: could be important,  but depends :)
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18:00.36rflemingwell, evolution isn't something I use, nor do I know what's in goa-1.0
18:00.46somiajrfleming: they are user configs for the different programs you use. You could always just move stuff out, the config will get regerneated by the software. If you loose customiziations, you have identified what it is used for.
18:00.47rfleming(actually, I do) :)
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18:01.03rflemingsomiaj: I guess that's one way to do it :)
18:01.18somiajthings should not break by moving the files out of there, they will just use any user configurations
18:01.45Rust3dCor3Hi. I have ralink mt7601u wifi dongle. Network manager does not sees it. lsmod shows mt7601u module. Everything is installed. Cant use network manager to use it. I'm i missing something?
18:02.45rflemingRust3dCor3: check in /etc/network/interfaces and see if your wlan adapter is set to manual
18:03.13somiajRust3dCor3: by everything,  you mean you installed the firmware-misc-nonfree package?
18:03.14rflemingRust3dCor3: something like `iface wlan1 inet manual` ... deleting the line should 'fix' the issue
18:03.37Rust3dCor3i got this : iface lo inet loopback
18:03.50Rust3dCor3changing to manual
18:03.59rflemingno
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18:04.04rflemingleave lo as loopback
18:04.04Rust3dCor3why no?
18:04.05greycatdo NOT touch the lo lines
18:04.32rflemingRust3dCor3: lo is a different adapter for local loopback
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18:04.36Rust3dCor3ok
18:04.37greycatif your wifi interface isn't mentioned in this file, then it's not being managed by this file at all
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18:04.47Rust3dCor3so what i can do?
18:04.52rflemingbbiab
18:05.04somiajRust3dCor3: did you install the non-free firmware?
18:05.55Rust3dCor3firmware-misc-nonfree is installed
18:06.23somiajhave you reloaded the module/rebooted since you installed that? Can you see your wireless device in the output of 'ip a'
18:06.41Rust3dCor3ive rebooted my pc
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18:07.14Rust3dCor34: wlx20e9170928ee: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN group default qlen 1000
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18:07.34Rust3dCor3its there
18:07.52hxmullerI have not configured or compiled a kernel since my "linux from scratch" days, I forgot how detail oriented it can be.
18:08.12greycatI don't even want to know how bad it is now.  I stopped in the 2.6.x series.
18:08.52rflemingback
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18:09.31somiajyou should be able to grab a debian confing in /boot/config-foo and start from there, might not be that much you need to change from 4.16 to 4.17 to get a debian kernel
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18:09.45somiajRust3dCor3: that seems normal, unsure why network-manager is not seeing that interface.
18:09.48hxmullergreycat: yeah it's been over 10 years for me
18:09.59hxmullersomiaj: thanks, that's exactly what I did
18:10.08hxmullerJust reading through all the new stuff
18:10.56Rust3dCor3wicd als does not show the wifi .. even if i put wlx20e9170928ee to the config
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18:11.16somiajahh, I just blindy grab the debian config these days, last time I looked through menuconfig was 3.0-rc1 or something, and I decided at that time it wasn't worth it anymore.
18:11.33somiajRust3dCor3: you could check demsg and see if there are any errors about that device that could be relvent
18:11.47rflemingRust3dCor3: is this Deb9?
18:12.27Rust3dCor3deb 9.4
18:12.35rflemingI'm wondering if it's related to the mac address randomization bug
18:12.37hxmullersomiaj: I'm working on getting an AMD Ryzen 3 2200g booted. I don't want to miss anything.
18:13.18rflemingRust3dCor3: try the workaround mentioned here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835822#21
18:13.20juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/835822 in network-manager (closed, upstream, fixed-upstream): «new mac address randomization breaks WiFi with various drivers»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-08-28; last modified: 2016-10-27.
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18:13.50rflemingmaybe your adapter didn't get fixed
18:14.24somiajhxmuller: yea, after seeing you in here, I'm glad I postoned getting a Ryzen 3 myself.
18:14.40greycatwhy would n-m be doing MAC randomization by default...?
18:14.43hxmullersomiaj: I love the challenge
18:15.35somiajgreycat: because it can of course!
18:15.47Rust3dCor3should i unload the module after service network-manager restart?
18:15.55somiajRust3dCor3: that shouldn't matter
18:16.04Rust3dCor3so.. still no wifi
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18:17.05rflemingRust3dCor3: I don't know.  Sorry.
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18:17.10Rust3dCor3no problem
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18:17.18Rust3dCor3im always in deep shit :D
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18:18.11somiajor just manually configure your wifi
18:18.19somiajI use wpa_supplicant in roam mode myself
18:18.19vmp<PROTECTED>
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18:20.01somiajRust3dCor3: I'm unsure why nm is not detecting that card, everythig you have shared seems fine so far. Did you see anything in dmesg that could look relivant?
18:20.16Rust3dCor3forgot about it
18:20.18Rust3dCor3pasting
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18:22.36Rust3dCor3http://pasted.co/002fc735
18:22.44Rust3dCor3i don't even
18:23.31somiajI would google the error and warning about eeprom, unsure if that is related to your issue or not.
18:23.48jellyis it possible that n-m in stretch cannot manage long iface names like wlx20e9170928ee
18:23.57somiajarg, that pastein sucks worse than pastebin
18:24.21babilen(which is quite the accomplishment)
18:24.29greycatI got nothing but a blurb about tinypaste, so I assume it's one of those You Must Have Javascript sites.
18:24.42greycatThen I quit w3m and moved on.
18:24.56somiajafter about 30 seconds, it hid the paste, gave me a full screen full of nothing but adds and opened multiple tabs
18:25.04somiajat least pastebin I can read the paste and ignore the adds
18:25.18greycatand THAT is why I use w3m or lynx or links for unsolicited IRC pastes
18:25.19Rust3dCor3thats why i use noscript and adblocker.. never seen any ads there
18:25.34somiajor just use a real pastebin that dosen't suck
18:25.37Rust3dCor3but ill use pastebin
18:25.41somiajno dno't
18:25.41greycatand if the paste doesn't show up in a text-mode web browser, then it's not worth my time
18:25.43Rust3dCor3if its better
18:25.48somiajuse paste.debian.net if you don't know of any better to use
18:25.51greycatuse http://paste.debian.net/
18:25.53Rust3dCor3ok
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18:27.12annadanewe will also accept carrier pidgeon
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18:28.55Rust3dCor3ive started to get russian search suggestions
18:29.07Rust3dCor3i think im done now
18:29.14Satofresh debian installation, how do i install drivers without internet?
18:29.22greycatsneakernet
18:29.42Rust3dCor3i even have no idea how to use this stuff
18:30.18somiajSato: what drivers? the linux kernel contains most the drivers one needs
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18:30.32greycatI'm guessing "wireless on my laptop".
18:30.35Satoi have a usb wifi that i need to install to get internet.
18:30.50Rust3dCor3me also
18:31.12somiajSato: in this case you need the firmware, you need to find a way to copy it over to the machine. Either via usb or some other medium. You can get the firmware .deb from packages.debian.org
18:32.17somiajRust3dCor3: try disabling the new interface naming method. add adding net.ifnames=0 to the kernel, you could also use ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link too
18:32.30somiajRust3dCor3: see if nm is happier with out the macaddress in the interface name.
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18:36.47Satosomiaj: I think i found a firmware, the folder is called linux-master and its filled with md files. Is this right?
18:36.55somiajnope
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18:37.08somiajSato: what network card do you have? lsusb and share the chipset
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18:48.12Satosomiaj: WUSB6300 a linksys
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18:48.56somiajSato: is that the linksys model number? I need the actual chipset from the lsubs output
18:49.00vagnI want to package some files and a script.  There is also a postinst script.
18:49.04vagnI can make a package but 'dpkg -c foo.deb' just lists the boilerplate in ./usr/share/doc/.
18:49.10vagnWhere should I put my files?
18:49.25Satoyeah its just a model number
18:49.34somiajI need the actual chipset, lsusb will list it
18:49.57Satowhat youre asking about might be the folder name :rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux-master
18:50.15somiajSato: no I'm asking about the chipset, is the chipset rtl8812AU?
18:50.25somiajSato: did you run lsusb and find yoru wireless device?
18:50.43Satoyeah, it listed all things connected to usb
18:50.58Satobut im dual boot, because my debian has no internet so i cant do anything on it.
18:51.05Satoso im on windows now
18:52.10somiajI really need to know the exact chipset, but provided you have a typo (and it isn't 8812au but 8812ae) this is the package you'll need https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-realtek
18:52.17Satothis guy on google is trying to install the same thing and i think he posted his lsusb Device 010: ID 13b1:003f Linksys
18:52.41greycatSato: just because you THINK it's the same device does not mean it IS
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18:52.52Satoyou think the chipset is on the dongle? How can i check while on windowS?
18:52.53greycatEven if the sticker on the plastic says the same thing, that doesn't mean squat.
18:52.59somiajand provided that chipset is supported by the stretch kernel (sounds likeit should be) that firmware package should do the job. But I can't be certain since you didn't tell me the chipset you have.
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18:54.58Satoill give that package a try, although im sure there is a way to check the dongles chipset on windows.
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18:56.26Guest34hi guys
18:56.43Guest34I have installed debian 9.4 stretch
18:57.07Guest34I have a problem with sensors and conky
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18:57.41Satosomiaj: Do i download one of the "Source Package" from that site you posteD?
18:57.46Guest34the problem is the module nouveau and dell_smm
18:57.53somiajSato: no, you download the binary package
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18:59.36Guest34when I use in conky the code: ${hwmon 2 fan 1} for the module dell_smm sometimes it is detected correctly, other times hwmon is mapped into hwmon3
19:00.15Guest34the same problem happens for the module nouveau
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19:00.50Guest34while it does not happen for the coretemp and it87 modules
19:01.02Satosomiaj: That website doesn't appear to let me download, its just recommending downloading it from the internet.
19:01.20somiajit does, scroll down, select the all arch, and then select the mirror you want to use
19:01.47Satookayokay so ill need one of these two package installers its offering.
19:01.52Satoaptitue or syn
19:02.29jhutchins_wkSato: You still need to get your own actuall pciid.  There may be a way to find that in Windows.  Often manufacturers will use different hardware in the same model NIC.
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19:03.42Satothat was just another long sentence asking for the chipset.
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19:04.19Guest34It's a problem of kernel?
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19:05.03somiajSato: just use dpkg -i foo.deb
19:05.54Satoalright ill boot into debian and see if i can either get the chipset from lsusb
19:06.05Satoor if that package installer can install the binary you sent me.
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19:22.58SatoAlright well i got nothing done. I guess i dont have a program that reports connected USBs, certainly not lsusb like you mentioned.
19:23.14Satoand im assuming without some long terminal command, i had zero hope of installing any of these binary
19:24.16greycatIf it's a .deb file, then you install it with dpkg -i filename.deb
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19:24.54greycatAnd lsusb is in the "usbutils" package, which is showing as optional.
19:25.19greycatI don't know if any commonly installed packages would bring it in as a dependency.
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19:27.26Satois it possible that my install of debian doesnt have dpkg?
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19:27.37greycatNo.
19:28.30somiajit is also strange it doesn't have lsusb, the installer usually installs that because it is a useful tool
19:28.31Satowhat does the -i stand for?
19:28.38somiaj-i is install
19:28.40greycat"install".  See "man dpkg"
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19:28.50greycathttps://manpages.debian.org/stretch/dpkg/dpkg.1.en.html
19:29.41Satoi was typing "usb" into the search and it brought up the system window that had very little information.
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19:30.12SatoIts funny, i really should have hauled my entire desktop and 40 inch monitor over to the router, because this is all intentionally complicated :P
19:30.23Satobrb
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19:45.13SatoNo luck, after installing the package the wireless card wouldnt show up in lsusb.
19:46.08SatoThis should be extremely simple is all im saying.
19:46.42SatoIt feels like im back in 1999 trying to install windows with no internet and i cant get any of the drivers without using a CD or a USB.
19:46.57SatoLocked out of the internet because of a simple driver.
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19:50.51jimSato, which package did you install?
19:52.11Satoa binary for my usb wifi device.
19:52.48jimis it a .deb you installed with dpkg?
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19:53.59Satoyes
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19:54.52jimok, if you look at the file name of that .deb, could you show everything to the left of the first _?
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19:55.10greycator just tell the entire filename
19:55.22jimyeah that'd work
19:55.48jimand, everything to the left of the first _ is the packagename
19:55.49Sato"firmware-realtek_20161130-3_all" The person who sent it to me suspected that this one was incorrect.
19:56.53greycatFor some realtek cards, it should be, yes.  The problem is, we still don't know exactly what device you have.
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19:57.59jimok, let's make sure... could you run: lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
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19:58.18greycathe has no direct internet connection from that system, as I understand it
19:58.32greycatunless he plugged in an ethernet cable some time recently
19:58.33jimoh ok, you wouldn't be able to run that
19:59.11jimhave you guys seen an lsusb listing?
19:59.45jim(and, does -nn do the same thing it does on lspci?)
20:00.07greycatlsusb seems to show the xxxx:yyyy ID without any options
20:00.23jimok
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20:01.53Satothe card doesnt show up in the lsusb listing
20:02.17Satousually the linksys card has a few lights whenever it is connected, but its not showing.
20:03.02jimis there any difference in lsusb, if you pull the usb cord, then lsusb, then insert the cord then lsusb again?
20:03.54Satoyeah the lists stayed the same in both cases.
20:04.05Satoi will try whatever you think might help
20:04.15greycattry a different USB port?
20:04.18jimthanks, appreciate that
20:04.53hxmullerwhat are the other mechanisms we can allow users to run processes normally required to be run by root (not sudo)?
20:05.00greycatsu
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20:05.19greycatcoming over, pushing them aside, and typing the command yourself
20:05.24hxmullerI read something within the past two weeks. I can't remember if it was polkit or something else
20:05.31jimwhich would require the root password
20:05.43hxmullerright
20:06.01greycatWhat is the thing you want them to do, and why isn't sudo the answer you wanted?
20:06.02blackflowhxmuller: polkit
20:06.50SatoWhy isn't it possible to find the chipset of this USB while on windows.
20:07.03Satoi mean, im using it right at this second, so i know windows can see it.
20:07.05hxmullergreycat: beep without suid
20:07.18greycatIf they have a terminal, printf \\a
20:07.23hxmullerblackflow: thanks, I'm pretty sure that's where I got the idea
20:07.43farruinnSato: Have you tried finding the chipset through Windows?
20:07.49blackflowhxmuller: and you don't need root pass if you write such a policy to bypass password.
20:07.49jimSato, would the device manager show it?
20:08.23hxmullerblackflow: yes, I did that so I didn't have to enter a password to mount usb storage with udisks2
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20:09.31blackflowhxmuller: also, do you need to run beep as superuser. what exactly do you want to achieve? pcspkr beep?
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20:15.41Satoive got my usb dongle open in an info window, there is a lot of info but none of it looks like the chipset
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20:16.31JohnWittleWhat's up with apt's treatment of mariadb as a mysql replacement? I wasn't prompted to set the root password on apt-get install mysql-server, and neither does dpkg-reconfigure prompt me to set it
20:16.42JohnWittledoes it get set automatically or something?
20:16.45hxmullerblackflow: setting weechat to beep when highlight
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20:17.03greycatIf you just run "mysql" as root you go right in without needing to enter a password.
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20:34.31annadanein general, how soon after a point release do live images get made for that release?
20:35.11dkaI am on cinnamon and I try to create a shortcut in my menu. My command is '/usr/bin/wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/PokerStars/PokerStars.exe' , I have check `Run in terminal` to see why it was not starting,  and I see the terminal closing straight away. How can I do a shortcut for wine?
20:35.58jhutchins_wkJohnWittle: I think that info is in a README file under /usr/share/doc/maria*
20:36.52jhutchins_wkdka: Possibly you need the full path instead of ~
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20:37.17galakszisdo you a debian
20:37.24jhutchins_wkdka: Does that command work if you enter it in a terminal?
20:37.26galakszisare you a debian?
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20:38.19dkayes jhutchins_wk that was it
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20:41.27Satoalright i found the chipset info in lsusb
20:42.13SatoID 13b1:003f Linksys
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20:44.41SatoCan someone help me find the binary for my wifi usb device? I have no internet to get it online when on debian.
20:45.32greycatSato: google is giving me *interesting* results for this device.
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20:47.58SatoWhat a dire situtation. Windows is nigh unusable, i will eventually be forced to use 10, and Linux is complete gatekeeping.
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20:50.16Florian9028Hello everybody,
20:50.29Gasolineis there a way to use irccloud in a terminal on debian?
20:50.30TvL2386HI
20:52.06Florian9028Can somebody help me? If i download something from my rootserver (ftp/http,..) if i use 1 connection to the download the speed is limit to 4mb, if i use 2 connection the download, the speed is 8MB/S. did anybody know where my server limit this speed?
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20:52.54Florian9028i want with 1 connection full speed download
20:54.47TvL2386I'm also wondering if anybody did know that
20:55.18Florian9028thats really crazy
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20:55.39TvL2386sounds like latency limiting the throughput
20:55.46TvL2386could also have something to do with tcp window size
20:55.54Florian9028with 3 connection to the download (i use jdownload) the speed is 12mb/s this is my home limit
20:56.01TvL2386buggy shit with packet loss
20:56.06TvL2386could also be the problem
20:56.23TvL2386maybe there's a traffic shaper
20:56.33TvL2386could literally be anything
20:56.51greycatCats chewing on the cable.
20:56.54Florian9028server speed is: Testing download speed Download: 625.29 Mbit/s Testing upload speed.. Upload: 240.92 Mbit/s
20:57.01TvL2386true that greycat
20:57.32TvL2386whoooooo... is that the speed of your "rootserver"?
20:57.37Florian9028yes
20:57.40TvL2386holy!
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20:58.01Florian9028so i think the speed from the server is fine. i tried also laptop, homepc, and mobilephone
20:58.01TvL2386so in theory you should get a download of 12 megabytes per second
20:58.15Florian9028yes my homespeed is 100mbit i think 11,55MB/s
20:58.43Florian9028first i thought apache2 is limit the conneciton to a download
20:58.55TvL2386is it on your home LAN or anything?
20:58.58Florian9028but with ftp/http/https/Ip and lighttpd is the same problem
20:59.11TvL2386because your speed tests go over 100Mbit
20:59.17Florian9028i tested wlan, lan
20:59.45Florian9028i will send you homespeed
20:59.56TvL2386but: you're downloading something from your "rootserver". So how does it get from your rootserver to your client?
21:00.00TvL2386through internet?
21:00.02TvL2386over wifi?
21:00.16TvL2386details man!
21:00.20TvL2386it's important
21:00.32greycatI'm glad I'm leaving soon, because this continuous misuse of the phrase "root server" is going to make my head explode.
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21:00.52TvL2386hey man... don't mess with Florian9028
21:00.55TvL2386he owns a rootserver
21:01.31Florian9028Ok, my home pc is connected with lan, and laptop with wlan. homeinternet is 100mbit down, 40mbit uplod.
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21:03.00Florian9028but i think thats not the problem. The mainproblem is, if i use more connection to one download the speed is perfect. But only with 1 connection the speed is 4MB/S with 2 conneciton 8MB/S with 3 connection 11,55MB/s
21:03.20Florian9028so i think  a connection will be limited to 4MB/s
21:03.34Florian9028but with ftp/http/
21:03.44JohnWittlegreycat: Alright, that gets me into the root account, but I still need the root password in order to change it, right?
21:03.47Florian9028i really dont know the problem.
21:04.04Florian9028i never had this before.
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21:04.38jhutchins_wkWhat do you mean "use more connection"?
21:04.53TvL2386connection++
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21:05.13Florian9028multiple connection to a download
21:05.43Florian9028so 1 connection will download 1-50% and the second connection will download 50-100%
21:05.53TvL2386read back jhutchins_wk: Florian9028 owns a rootserver but a single stream is only limited to 4MB/s. Every stream increase adds another 4MB/s
21:06.09TvL2386upto 11.55MB/s
21:06.14Florian9028yes thats right TvL2386
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21:06.22Florian902811,55 is my home limit
21:06.27annadanein general, how soon after a point release do live images get made for that release?
21:06.29jhutchins_wkSo multiple sessions with the browser?
21:06.42Florian9028you know jdownload?
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21:07.27TvL2386JohnWittle: what's going on with mariadb?
21:07.31Florian9028sorry for my bad enlgish...
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21:08.13greycatJohnWittle: I'm not a real Mysql/Mariadb user, but can't you just set the password without knowing a (nonexistent) previous password?
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21:08.39greycatOr just continue not having a root password?
21:08.44TvL2386JohnWittle: I think you can just `sudo -H mysql` and you will be logged in
21:08.53TvL2386because you connect to the mariadb socket as user root
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21:09.05annadaneif no one knows here then maybe ask dedicated mariadb support channels/avenues
21:09.12TvL2386when you are logged in, you can change the mysql root password if you like
21:09.15greycatYes, mariadb takes a step closer to being a normal database instead of that horrible crap.
21:09.35JohnWittleI must be doing the 'change the mysql root password' part incorrectly, then
21:09.41Florian9028maybe if you want a new password try this: mysql> UPDATE mysql.user SET Password=PASSWORD('newpassword') WHERE User='root';
21:09.45annadanethough of course specify the version number as the one in stable is possibly behind latest upstream etc
21:09.58annadanebut it seems the lovely people here *do* know
21:10.02TvL2386"FLUSH PRIVILEGES;" afterwards
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21:10.42annadaneoh, forget my previous question, just remembered there's a debian live channel and i'll ask there
21:11.10Florian9028TvL2386, do you know a solution for my speed problem?
21:11.34TvL2386Florian9028: nope sorry.....
21:11.36twobitspriteJust curious... are there any good Debian-based immutable container OSes? I'm looking for a Debian-based alternative to Fedora's Project Atomic. I know there is Ubuntu Core, just curious if there are any that are based on Debian Stable...?
21:11.46Florian9028speedtest on rootserver is good, speedtest from home is good, too. But i dont know what limit this.
21:11.54Florian9028okay, thanks for you help.
21:12.12TvL2386Florian9028: I'd install iperf3 and do tests with single / multiple sessions
21:12.37twobitspriteBackground: my team is developing an IoT device based on CentOS Project Atomic, and we keep running in to issues where the CentOS repos update with non-backwards-compatible packages, or change default package settings in ways that break our builds...
21:12.37Florian9028okay i never heard about this. i will read about it, know. thank you.
21:12.50TvL2386Florian9028: I'd compare http throughput with ftp / sftp / scp, whatever to get more pointers
21:13.07JohnWittleah i'm a fool
21:13.11TvL2386:)
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21:13.14Florian9028i´ve already tested these connection.
21:13.14twobitspriteI keep joking to my team lead that Debian would never do this to us, but now he seems seriously interested and asked if there is an immutible container OS based on Debian...
21:13.16JohnWittlei've been forgetting to restart mariadb after changing the password
21:13.36TvL2386uh.... you don't need to JohnWittle
21:13.45TvL2386why would you need to restart mariadb to update a users password?
21:14.01TvL2386it's like: when I insert a new record, it only becomes visible after restarting the db server
21:14.03JohnWittleNo, that's not it
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21:14.10Florian9028if i logged 3 times in with ftp, use the same download. 3 download runnings the speed will 11,55MB
21:14.13JohnWittleyeah, even after that it still will not let me log in as root
21:14.29JohnWittlei mean aside from sudo mysql, obviously
21:14.34brutserwhen i use live-build, how can i include some repositories for my packages? i am putting sources.list everywhere but not in the right place it seems :) thx for the help
21:14.52TvL2386JohnWittle: it sounds familiar
21:14.53brutseri need to add experimental and stretch-backports
21:15.10brutserwhat is the location to put this?
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21:15.35JohnWittleI get mysqli_real_connect(): (HY000/1698): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
21:15.39somiajbrutser: maybe #debian-live on irc.oftc.net can be of more help if you can't find this info in the docs.
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21:15.54somiajand you don't want to add experiemental to stretch, that is going to cause problems
21:16.22TvL2386JohnWittle: this is what internet says:
21:16.23TvL2386GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES on *.* to 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '<password>';
21:16.23TvL2386FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
21:16.31JohnWittleholy cow
21:16.38JohnWittlewouldn't it already have those?
21:16.47TvL2386I think there is a root
21:16.48JohnWittlealso i mean, why would that cause the password to suddenly work where it didn't before?
21:16.49TvL2386but not a root@localhost
21:17.02JohnWittleoh hm
21:17.05JohnWittlei see
21:17.08brutsersomiaj: ok, but i need software from experimental
21:17.10TvL2386because the host part is not there :)
21:17.14brutserbut i will ask on that channel
21:17.21somiajbrutser: then backport it
21:17.21TvL2386it works because `sudo -H mysql` connects to the unix socket
21:17.39JohnWittlehm
21:17.40TvL2386try to do `sudo -H mysql -h localhost`
21:17.42TvL2386it will fail
21:17.42JohnWittlei got Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
21:17.45somiajbrutser: experimental packages are built against sid and may not install nicely in stretch, and adding sid sources will only break things more
21:17.48JohnWittleshouldn't it have affected a row?
21:17.59JohnWittlein the users table?
21:18.14JohnWittlei'm having trouble imagining exactly what is happening in there
21:18.29TvL2386it sounds logical to see 1 row affected yeah, but since it's messing with mysql users instead of "normal" records, I am not sure
21:18.40JohnWittlehm
21:18.42TvL2386try if it helped :)
21:18.44TvL2386I'm curious
21:18.59JohnWittleaha that did it
21:19.04JohnWittlewow
21:19.12TvL2386yay
21:19.20Florian9028TvL2386, i get this error iperf3: error - unable to connect to server: Connection refused
21:19.40JohnWittlei never would have guessed that root and root@localhost were distinct. does that mean there's still a regular 'root' account floating around with an empty password?
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21:19.59TvL2386Florian9028: if you've started an iperf server and client, and it can't connect, there's a firewall blocking the connection or you're missing a port forward somewhere
21:20.08TvL2386JohnWittle: yes
21:20.16TvL2386JohnWittle: wait a sec
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21:20.39TvL2386#mysql> select host, user from mysql.user;
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21:21.23TvL2386I wonder how many rows you get with user = 'root'
21:21.25Florian9028oh okay should i test it with localhost? or do i need a client on windows?
21:21.35JohnWittleTvL2386: just 1, i just checked
21:21.39TvL2386hmmmmm
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21:22.22TvL2386JohnWittle: I know this behaviour, but I've never digged into it
21:22.28TvL2386JohnWittle: it sounds like this: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/authentication-plugin-unix-socket/
21:22.41TvL2386The UNIX_SOCKET plugin is installed by default in new installs of Ubuntu 15.10 and later, and Debian testing.
21:23.07TvL2386I've met this on ubuntu-16.04 indeed
21:23.18Florian9028i test it now, i will write back.
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21:26.02Florian9028test is done
21:27.03Florian9028but i think i started the server on wrong side ^^
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21:32.05TvL2386Florian9028: just run the client with -r I think
21:32.15TvL2386then it will test the reverse path speed
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21:34.52Florian9028TvL2386 port was blocked. But test is finished. i will send you the file
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21:36.27Florian9028http://bit.ly/2sQ2mGm
21:38.28TvL2386Florian9028: those Retr values are not good
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21:38.51TvL2386Florian9028: those are tcp retransmits (due to packetloss)
21:39.06Florian9028sorry i typed this in: iperf3 -c "homeip" -t 10 -P 10
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21:39.59Florian9028so the retr is very bad?
21:40.16TvL2386Not sure how bad, but I'd expected it to be 0
21:40.23Florian9028oh okay
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21:40.47TvL2386I don't know what normal is for a transfer of 113MB
21:40.59Florian9028i will change my home dsl to more stability. i will test it in 2minutes again
21:41.32TvL2386How would you do that
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21:42.18Florian9028on my router (fritz.box) i can change to more stability. so the speed will be set down.
21:42.35Florian9028and i think some other settings.
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21:45.35Florian2890Okay my connection is  97.855 kbit/s  41.998 kbit/s  now.
21:47.53Florian2890same problem
21:48.11Florian2890but in my router, i have no connection errors
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21:52.41Florian2890TvL2386 are you there?
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21:53.27Florian2890https://pastebin.com/84yNXE7a
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22:08.35hxmullercould not get beep to work as user, without changing it to suid (not going to do that). so, am using "/usr/bin/aplay /path/to/beep.wav"
22:08.55hxmullerjust find a beep.wav you like
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22:17.05somiaj!alsa checklist
22:17.05dpkg1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again)  2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available)  3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?  4) speakers on?  5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist.  See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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22:23.24hxmullersomiaj: alsa is all good here, beep doesn't work for users though except through "sudo beep"
22:25.28somiajwell beep might be using the pcspkr, which may only go through the sound card due to the bios.
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22:27.49somiajhxmuller: check dmesg | grep pcspkr -- what device is it attaching it to?
22:28.03hxmullersomiaj: beep only works for users unless you: sudo chmod 4755 /usr/bin/beep
22:28.09hxmullerand I don't wish to do that
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22:28.55hxmuller/devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input7 by the way
22:29.01somiajhxmuller: in this case it is due to the device, on my machine psspker is mapped to input/input9,
22:29.13somiajif you change the group/permisions of /dev/input/event7 does it then work for users?
22:29.36somiajhxmuller: try chmod 666 /dev/input/event7
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22:30.44hxmullersomiaj: Could not open /dev/tty0 or /dev/vc/0 for writing
22:30.53hxmullerafter chmod 666
22:31.02hxmullerI have a working solution
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22:31.42somiajhxmuller: hmm, well the issue is user permisions to write to the input device that the pcspkr is on. Unusre the best (or saftest) way to achive users having permission to write to the pcspkr
22:32.32somiajhmm, seems archwiki suggestes the approach you have taken, must be not that easy to let users write to that input device
22:32.38hxmullersomiaj: everyone else is chmod 4755 /usr/bin/beep, I don't wish to do that. I resolved my beep needs by using aplay
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22:35.04somiajarchwiki suggests just setting sudo NOPASS for /usr/bin/beep command for a group of users you want to access it
22:35.21somiajthe 4755 is mentioned, but not suggested as a package upgrade would break it and as you said, not ideal
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22:37.56hxmullersomiaj: I tried modifying /etc/sudoers using NOPASS, but that didn't work either
22:38.55somiajI don't see why it woulnd't, you said sudo beep worked, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PC_speaker#Access_for_non-root_users there is the syntax suggested by archwiki
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22:39.53hxmullersomiaj: Yes, I could not see why it wouldn't either. I modified /etc/sudoers, and also tried placing a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ (using visudo of course)
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22:42.10hxmullersomiaj: and it is NOPASSWD by the way
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22:43.14somiajyea, I always forget and have to look up the sytnax.
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22:44.07hxmullerok, now that I slayed beep, back to kernel configuration/compilation
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23:01.15simbalionDoes anyone know if it's possible to configure mail-notification (https://packages.debian.org/stable/gnome/mail-notification) as a service? I want systemd to supervise it
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23:44.57hxmullersimbalion: This might be what you are looking for: http://aaronsplace.co.uk/blog/2016-03-21-maildir-notifications.html
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23:46.25simbalionhxmuller: thanks, but no, I'm trying to get mail-notification working as a service.
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23:55.44hxmullersimbalion: This is in essence what you would have to do: http://systemd-devel.freedesktop.narkive.com/VcOOGI3f/how-to-use-per-user-systemd-user-services-how-to-replace-etc-xdg-autostart-app-desktop
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23:56.22hxmullerbecause that is how mail-notification is started
23:57.46hxmullerxdg autostart that is
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