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| 00:08.39 | thomas__ | Is there any chance to reintroduce into Debian GTK 1.2 or a program that relies on it? |
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| 00:13.25 | Unit193 | thomas__: Pretty sure Debian would sooner lose GTK2 than try to bring GTK1 back. |
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| 00:22.11 | annadane | i know zilch about it but if you have the source code or a package for it you can compile it yourself or run it in a VM |
| 00:22.17 | cjbayliss | thomas__: you could consider porting it to GTK 3 if you know how to program (GTK 3 isn't that hard) or try and convince someone else to do it. :/ |
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| 00:24.14 | cjbayliss | thomas__: or maybe try and find an alternative? |
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| 00:25.24 | thomas__ | As I said before, there is an inofficial GTK2 port, but it is very slow. My guess is that the slowness comes from GTK2, because it uses outline fonts and does many things pixmapped where completely unnecessary. |
| 00:25.44 | thomas__ | What do you mean by alternative? |
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| 00:26.20 | cjbayliss | If the GTK2 port is slow, that will be because the porter did a bad job, not because I GTK2 |
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| 00:26.51 | cjbayliss | like maybe there is a newer alternative to SoundTracker |
| 00:27.10 | cjbayliss | also, I'm reading up on SoundTracker, and it sounds awesome |
| 00:27.22 | thomas__ | 0.6.8 is the newest version. |
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| 00:29.34 | thomas__ | Another FastTracker clone is MilkyTracker, but it has issues with the timing, and the GUI is weird. |
| 00:30.19 | cjbayliss | there is also CheeseTracker |
| 00:30.49 | thomas__ | CheeseTracker is not FT2 compatible |
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| 00:31.10 | cjbayliss | ah, ok |
| 00:32.14 | thomas__ | So I could not open my files with CheeseTracker. And when I open them with MilkyTracker, the sung parts get out of sync. |
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| 00:38.56 | s3sebastian | Hey, maybe someone here as an opinion about this: Is there a difference when it comes to Linux friendliness between different motherboard manufacturers (especially when it comes to drivers)? I have to decide if I get a Gigabyte GA-AB350 or a ASUS Prime B350-Plus. |
| 00:40.08 | allorder | asus |
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| 00:43.06 | s3sebastian | allorder: Ok, thank you. |
| 00:44.11 | cjbayliss | s3sebastian: I've found my Gigabyte motherboard to be very reliable, so I think it kinda comes down to opinion as to which is better |
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| 00:46.29 | s3sebastian | cjbayliss: From the specs they seem to be pretty much the same, that's why I was thinking which one runs better with Debian, maybe there's a manufacturer which is better when it comes to open source drivers or so |
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| 00:58.02 | hxmuller | s3sebastian: I picked up the asrock version, only because it is cheap. The Issue I am working right now is getting it to boot with an AMD Ryzen 3 2200g. |
| 00:58.40 | hxmuller | It requires a new kernel, I am in the process of configuring and compiling 4.17 |
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| 00:59.21 | hxmuller | keep an eye out, I will keep reporting back here |
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| 01:04.39 | thomas__ | Okay, seems I have to have a look at GTK3 some time
:-( |
| 01:04.50 | thomas__ | Bye and thanks |
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| 03:13.59 | ftwhtw | is there a way to add ubuntu repositories in kali linux |
| 03:14.07 | somiaj | !kali |
| 03:14.08 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 03:14.16 | somiaj | and no, you don't want to mix distributions |
| 03:14.39 | ftwhtw | ok nice advice |
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| 06:24.07 | michael2 | The debian install manual says "during the install messages will be logged to tty4, which is true but I cant scroll back up the terminal output? is that possible? |
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| 06:32.28 | padomay | Hi there... |
| 06:33.00 | michael2 | hi |
| 06:33.13 | jim | michael2, yeah, tty4 is a vc (with the code that creates it being in the kernel) and vcs don't come with scrollback |
| 06:33.23 | padomay | I need help.. I have Debian 9.4 with the cinnamon desktop and as I log in it shows a message that says "Failed to load sessio "cinnamon"" |
| 06:33.44 | padomay | And it goes back to the lock screen... What can I do? |
| 06:33.47 | well_laid_lawn | michael2: shift + â used to work but it doesn't seem to here anymore |
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| 06:34.12 | michael2 | jim, well_laid_lawn, ah, so its not a "linux" terminal? |
| 06:34.13 | jim | padomay, so you're ircing to us from a different machine? |
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| 06:34.35 | well_laid_lawn | of course it is |
| 06:34.48 | padomay | Yeah i'm using my phone now |
| 06:34.53 | jim | michael2, that's exactly what it is... |
| 06:35.17 | michael2 | well normally linux terminal have scrollback capability ... |
| 06:35.26 | jim | padomay, on the debian box, try: ctrl-alt-F2 |
| 06:35.54 | jim | padomay, what do you see? |
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| 06:36.33 | padomay | jim, Nothing appens |
| 06:36.56 | padomay | Do i have to open the shell? |
| 06:37.03 | jim | padomay, you still see the graphical login screen? |
| 06:37.11 | padomay | Yes.. |
| 06:37.29 | padomay | Ok i got you.. it's ctrl+alt+f5 on my machine |
| 06:37.51 | padomay | Done |
| 06:38.02 | jim | let's try again... hold down ctrl and alt (don't let go of either), and press the F2 function key |
| 06:38.36 | padomay | jim, yes.. it's the same shell |
| 06:38.58 | jim | do you see text in the upper left corner? |
| 06:39.09 | padomay | Yeah the login |
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| 06:39.51 | jim | ok, do you remember your root password (don't put it here!) |
| 06:40.02 | padomay | jim, ahaha don't worry |
| 06:40.14 | padomay | Done |
| 06:40.15 | well_laid_lawn | michael2: the tty has a small bbuffer and changing tty's kills the buffer apparently |
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| 06:40.35 | jim | so you're in as root, and the screen is NOT graphical, it's text? |
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| 06:40.43 | michael2 | so then the buffer is kind of useless? |
| 06:41.00 | well_laid_lawn | unless you stay on the one tty |
| 06:41.01 | jim | michael2, yeah, kinda |
| 06:41.10 | padomay | jim, yes i'm still on the shell |
| 06:41.40 | jim | try this: |
| 06:41.52 | jim | ping -c 2 yahoo.com |
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| 06:42.32 | jim | do you get two replies, then a summary? |
| 06:42.39 | padomay | jim, i can't ping, i'm offline |
| 06:42.58 | padomay | In fact, it says "unknow host |
| 06:43.13 | jim | ok, yeah that's off line |
| 06:43.28 | jim | do you want to get online? |
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| 06:44.10 | padomay | jim, only if i have to |
| 06:44.20 | padomay | to solve this problem |
| 06:44.48 | jim | oh? what's the issue with you going online? do you pay per time? |
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| 06:45.30 | jim | also how do you normally get online? by what device? |
| 06:45.46 | padomay | jim, no i don't just remember the commands to turn on the wireless card and to connet it to a wifi lol |
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| 06:46.18 | jim | what if that were automatic? |
| 06:46.34 | jim | wouldn't have to remember the commands |
| 06:46.50 | padomay | Oh is it? |
| 06:46.59 | padomay | Ok ok let's go online |
| 06:47.02 | jim | would there still be an issue for connecting? it can be, yes |
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| 06:47.09 | jim | ok |
| 06:47.35 | jim | is wireless the only way you can connect? do you also have ethernet? |
| 06:47.53 | padomay | Not at the moment jim |
| 06:48.02 | jim | well let's see... take a look at: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 06:48.30 | jim | don't show that here, got a better way |
| 06:48.37 | jim | first, how many lines do you get |
| 06:48.46 | padomay | 2 |
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| 06:49.00 | padomay | One for the ethernet card and one for the wireless card |
| 06:49.25 | jim | ok, so you should have one of these things: [1234:abcd] on each line... do you see them? |
| 06:49.55 | jim | so a total of 2 |
| 06:49.59 | padomay | jim, like at the end of the output line? |
| 06:50.14 | jim | or somewhere in the middle |
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| 06:50.46 | padomay | Ok ok i got them |
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| 06:50.58 | Ulrar | Hey, how can I tell apt/dpkg to stop trying to configure a package ? For some reason it seems to be trying to use systemctl to reload the deamon, but systemd was removed. So the package works fine but the configure phase fails and it keeps trying over and over everytime I use apt |
| 06:51.10 | jim | ok, can you show just those? |
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| 06:51.25 | padomay | Both? |
| 06:51.44 | jim | yes, you can probably do it on the same irc line |
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| 06:52.15 | michael2 | Ulrar: download the package and install manually? |
| 06:52.33 | Ulrar | The package works |
| 06:52.35 | Ulrar | it is installed |
| 06:52.37 | jim | they look like this: [abcd:1234 |
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| 06:52.43 | jim | ] |
| 06:52.56 | padomay | Ethernet [10ec:8168] and Wireless [10ec:8821] |
| 06:53.13 | jim | ok, let's see... |
| 06:53.18 | Ulrar | I just need to tell dpkg to forget about the configure phase it keeps trying to run |
| 06:53.24 | jim | the wireless is... |
| 06:53.35 | jim | , pciid [10ec:8821] |
| 06:53.37 | judd | [10ec:8821] is 'RTL8821AE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8821ae' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8821 |
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| 06:54.52 | jim | does it say anything back, when you do this: lsmod | grep rtl8821ae |
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| 06:55.51 | padomay | Yeah five lines in the output |
| 06:56.04 | jim | ok... one sec |
| 06:56.37 | padomay | jim, k :) |
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| 06:58.08 | jim | need just a couple more mins |
| 06:58.21 | padomay | jim, yeah yeah don't korry |
| 06:58.22 | themill | Ulrar: is systemd still the current init system (i.e. have you rebooted after changing init?) |
| 06:58.25 | padomay | worr* |
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| 06:59.07 | Ulrar | themill: As I said, systemd was removed |
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| 06:59.12 | Ulrar | Long ago |
| 07:00.03 | jim | can you do: cd /sys/class/net ; ls |
| 07:00.39 | jim | padomay ^^ |
| 07:00.59 | jim | that should be one line? |
| 07:01.09 | padomay | 3 |
| 07:01.23 | padomay | enp1s0 which is my ethernet card |
| 07:01.37 | themill | Ulrar: that doesn't actually answer my question |
| 07:01.38 | padomay | wlp2s0 which is the wireless one |
| 07:01.50 | jim | wlp2s0? |
| 07:01.56 | padomay | And.... lo |
| 07:02.00 | Ulrar | themill: Yes, systemd was properly removed |
| 07:02.08 | padomay | jim, yeah wlp2s0 |
| 07:02.15 | themill | Ulrar: "yes you have rebooted"? |
| 07:02.22 | Ulrar | It doesn't matter, I'm not looking to fix systemd or systemctl or whatever, I just want to tell dpkg to forget about that configure |
| 07:02.23 | jim | ok, could you try: iwlist scan wlp2s0 |
| 07:02.31 | themill | Ulrar: you can't |
| 07:02.33 | Ulrar | Of course |
| 07:02.40 | themill | what package btw? |
| 07:02.45 | Ulrar | grafana-server |
| 07:02.49 | jim | not totally sure that's the right syntax |
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| 07:03.18 | jim | and my basic question is: do you get a LOT of output, which shows some of your neighbors? |
| 07:03.20 | Ulrar | Well, it'll stay broken then I guess |
| 07:03.28 | themill | Ulrar: is that a package from outside debian? |
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| 07:03.32 | Ulrar | Yeah |
| 07:03.44 | themill | ah. |
| 07:03.44 | Ulrar | I'll add that to my pile of reasons I dislike apt/dpkg :) |
| 07:03.48 | padomay | jim, uncorrect syntax.. wait a sec |
| 07:03.57 | themill | no, add it to your pile of reasons to dislike poor quality packages |
| 07:03.58 | nekoseam | incorrect* |
| 07:04.19 | Ulrar | themill: Oh I don't doubt the package is badly written |
| 07:04.21 | jim | padomay, ok, try this then, just: iwlist scan |
| 07:04.25 | themill | Ulrar: you can have a look at the prerm/postrm script and fix it (in /var/lib/dpkg/info) |
| 07:04.35 | Ulrar | But having no way to tell the package manager to do what I want is silly |
| 07:04.37 | themill | Ulrar: if it does nothing useful, just delete it |
| 07:04.41 | Ulrar | Allright |
| 07:04.59 | jim | again, my basic question is: do you get a LOT of output, which shows some of your neighbors? |
| 07:05.10 | Ulrar | themill: That worked |
| 07:05.12 | Ulrar | thanks |
| 07:05.20 | padomay | jim, yeas it's A FUCKING LOT |
| 07:05.30 | padomay | I cannot even read it all xD |
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| 07:06.01 | jim | padomay, ok, great! it means your card, driver and firmware is all working |
| 07:06.27 | themill | Ulrar: good good. That's the emergency escape hatch... |
| 07:06.32 | padomay | jim, perfect |
| 07:06.50 | jim | yep the physical part is fine |
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| 07:07.14 | jim | now the next part, I'm not that good at, |
| 07:07.14 | Ulrar | Good to know, I didn't realise it wasn't extracting that from the deb at each try |
| 07:07.20 | Ulrar | I'll take a note of that |
| 07:07.24 | Ulrar | could be useful |
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| 07:07.37 | jim | but at least I can gather the info |
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| 07:08.06 | jim | do you have your own wireless access point? |
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| 07:08.20 | padomay | jim, yeah of course |
| 07:08.34 | jim | ok, what kind of security are you using? |
| 07:08.52 | jim | (or is it just open?) |
| 07:08.54 | padomay | wpa2 psk |
| 07:09.01 | padomay | But i can open it in a sec |
| 07:09.21 | jim | you don't have to do that if you know your ssid and password |
| 07:09.29 | themill | Ulrar: the .deb probably doesn't exist on disk at the time it is being removed |
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| 07:09.56 | padomay | jim, ok.. so? |
| 07:10.53 | jim | themill, can you help padomay get onto the net, probably with the interfaces file? |
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| 07:12.24 | jim | padomay, if we put stuff in your /etc/network/interfaces file, we can probably get you up pretty easily -- since we already know your card's radio works fine |
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| 07:13.08 | jim | this is a laptop? |
| 07:13.13 | padomay | yeah |
| 07:13.23 | padomay | Interfaces or interfaces.d? |
| 07:13.32 | jim | interfaces |
| 07:13.40 | jim | interfaces.d is a directory |
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| 07:14.28 | padomay | jim, i saw that later sorry |
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| 07:14.50 | Abrax | ubuntu or debian? |
| 07:14.58 | michael2 | im trying to run the netinstaller and Im getting the message: "the missing firmware files are: rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin... load missing files from removable media?" and Im selecting yes, but the installer cant pick up tthe package I put on the USB - where should I put the files and what form should the files be in ? package (e.g. firmware-realtek) or ordinary files? |
| 07:14.58 | jim | yeah, it's easy to see |
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| 07:15.14 | Abrax | i am curious what flavor i should get |
| 07:15.31 | jim | michael2, are yoiu installing onto a laptop? |
| 07:15.38 | michael2 | jim: yes |
| 07:15.45 | padomay | jim, anyway the file is quite empty |
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| 07:15.56 | jim | Abrax, hmm... eeny meeny miiny DEBIAN! |
| 07:15.58 | AliceKelly | question, how does one adjust swapiness in debian |
| 07:16.50 | Abrax | ubuntu, debian or fedora? |
| 07:17.01 | AliceKelly | debian |
| 07:17.03 | padomay | jim, it just says source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* .... And auto lo, and iface lo inet loopback |
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| 07:17.24 | jim | michael2, you have a couple choices... you can: install just the base from the image you have, or you can: get another netinstall image that has the firmware |
| 07:17.27 | Abrax | any reason why? |
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| 07:17.39 | Abrax | is it easier to get your wireless card working on debian? |
| 07:18.09 | jim | Abrax, well the folks on this channel know debian better |
| 07:18.22 | michael2 | jim: ive pretty much got everything I need to run the official installer - I have the package its on the USB - but its on a different partition to the installer |
| 07:18.24 | jim | so for them yeah |
| 07:18.35 | Abrax | i might need help with that |
| 07:19.00 | jim | Abrax, for debian, you can get that help here |
| 07:19.10 | michael2 | jim: by "package" I mean the "firmware-realtek" package |
| 07:19.16 | Abrax | awesome ill just kill my fedora install |
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| 07:20.38 | jim | michael2, can you install the base of debian (by "leave the network unconfigured"), reboot into that, then put that package somewhere on the laptop? |
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| 07:21.17 | jim | michael2, either that or get the other image (google for debian netinstall firmware) |
| 07:21.42 | michael2 | jim: ah I never thought of that. yeah that could work :) |
| 07:22.30 | jim | michael2, it's slightly easier |
| 07:22.37 | michael2 | ok, proceeding with install - without loading firmware now... |
| 07:23.30 | jim | ok, where's that package at? do you have it saved on (say) a different machine? OR do you have an eth port? |
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| 07:23.59 | michael2 | jim: package is on the same USB as the installer - but a separate partition |
| 07:24.07 | jim | (usually you can temporarily connect via ethernet, it might not need firmware) |
| 07:24.14 | Abrax | wheres the best places to hangout |
| 07:24.24 | Abrax | on freenode |
| 07:24.25 | michael2 | jim: I dont have ethernet |
| 07:24.26 | annadane | !chat |
| 07:24.27 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 07:24.57 | jim | Abrax, there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help |
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| 07:25.14 | Abrax | i might need help with my wireless card in a bit |
| 07:25.23 | Abrax | will sit tight until i get debian installed |
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| 07:25.38 | jim | do you have the image with firmware? |
| 07:25.44 | michael2 | jim: the installer keeps prompting me to choose a primary network adapter, choose a wifi network for the install etc - even though I have broken networking - is it possible to skip all that? |
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| 07:26.16 | michael2 | jim: no I haven't got image with firmware |
| 07:26.44 | jim | michael2, if you want to set up networking after you install the base of debian, you can do that by leavving the network unconfigured |
| 07:27.06 | jim | michael2, ok |
| 07:27.59 | jim | Abrax, I can find you an image to boot/install from, that is more likely to support your card |
| 07:28.21 | michael2 | yeah, I just choose <go back> which took me back to the main installer menu - the I just went straight to "setup user" |
| 07:28.26 | michael2 | and passwords |
| 07:28.49 | Abrax | oh ya? |
| 07:29.01 | Abrax | my machine is a mini pc |
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| 07:29.09 | Abrax | need to figure out what card this thing uses |
| 07:29.37 | jim | which cpu? |
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| 07:30.51 | jim | Abrax, which cpu does your laptop have? |
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| 07:31.35 | Abrax | anybody know what wireless card is in an alfawise Z83 |
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| 07:31.56 | jim | michael2, it might not let you do that |
| 07:32.08 | michael2 | hmm. installer is insistent I configure the network - It won't seem to let me proceed otherwise - could this be because im using the netinstaller rather than the full installer? |
| 07:32.09 | Abrax | i cant seem to figure out how to figure out what it is |
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| 07:32.22 | Abrax | so i can get the right linux image |
| 07:33.09 | jim | if it does, go for it... there is a selection called "leave the network unconfigured", you can use that, install the base and reboot. OR you can get the other image that has the firmware already in the correct place |
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| 07:34.16 | Abrax | its an intel atom x5-Z8350 |
| 07:34.22 | jim | Abrax, it's going to be one of these: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/ |
| 07:34.25 | Abrax | not sure if that tells you what the wireless card is |
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| 07:34.43 | jim | ok, is that a 64 bit cpu? |
| 07:34.51 | jim | or 32 bot? |
| 07:34.54 | jim | bit |
| 07:35.00 | Abrax | i am not exactly sure |
| 07:35.07 | Abrax | it comes with win 10 so could be 64 |
| 07:35.25 | Abrax | ya its 64 bit |
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| 07:35.54 | michael2 | jim: I ended up selecting the - disconnected - eth interface - which the installer then tried to setup - when it failed at that - it gave me the option to "leave the network unconfigured" and IM now able to progress a bit further with install |
| 07:35.56 | Abrax | 64 bit Intel Atom X5-Z8350 processor |
| 07:36.00 | Abrax | if you can help with the image |
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| 07:36.17 | Abrax | for USB flash |
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| 07:37.38 | Abrax | if you can find something |
| 07:37.45 | jim | Abrax, you want this image to put on your usb stick: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 07:38.00 | Abrax | ah very nice |
| 07:38.00 | Abrax | thx |
| 07:38.07 | jim | welcome |
| 07:38.38 | Abrax | amd 64? |
| 07:39.16 | themill | jim: sorry, popping in and out of other things... not in a position to do so. |
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| 07:40.20 | jim | themill, ok, thanks for letting me know |
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| 07:40.42 | jim | Abrax, yeah, that arch should work on your atom |
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| 07:42.33 | jim | michael2, ok... if your cpu is a 64b intel or amd, you could probably use the above linked image too |
| 07:42.47 | jim | it';ll be easier :) |
| 07:43.44 | jim | Abrax, what are you running right now? windows? fedora? |
| 07:44.04 | michael2 | jim: my installs away - base packages are being installed as we speak ... hopefully no need for firmware iso :) |
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| 07:44.58 | jim | michael2, the install should complete, and it should reboot... then, you'll need to configure the net afterward :) |
| 07:45.32 | michael2 | im looking forward to it :) |
| 07:46.26 | michael2 | hopefully I can remember the lines to put in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:46.59 | jim | and, if you can get that firmware package installed, then you can test after installing, by seeing if you can: iwlist scan |
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| 07:47.39 | jim | if yes, you'll get a LOT of output, paragraphs about your neighbor's wireless nets |
| 07:47.51 | jim | (and one for yours too) |
| 07:48.16 | michael2 | cool, yeah, thats usually how I test if wifi interface is up |
| 07:49.06 | jim | michael2, sources for your sources.list file are no problem at all, the bot should have them |
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| 07:52.42 | Abrax | i had fedora on it but couldnt get wireless working |
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| 07:52.56 | michael2 | jim: how do I get the bot to list the sources I need to add? |
| 07:52.56 | Abrax | anything that would let me get my wireless working is fine |
| 07:53.05 | Abrax | i will try this image |
| 07:53.26 | annadane | !stretch sources.list |
| 07:53.27 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 07:54.33 | jim | annadane, thank you :) |
| 07:54.54 | annadane | !tell michael2 about search dpkg |
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| 07:56.35 | jim | michael2, you can put those sources in the sources.list file, then you'll be ready when you can get your net connection working |
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| 07:57.16 | jim | Abrax, how |
| 07:57.25 | jim | err |
| 07:57.35 | jim | Abrax, how is your iinstall going? |
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| 07:58.32 | jim | padomay, and how are you doing getting your net up/ |
| 07:58.33 | jim | ? |
| 07:59.03 | michael2 | jim: my install completed, now im booting into new (minimal) system now... |
| 07:59.09 | jim | yeah, I stutter a lot with this keyboard... not used to it |
| 07:59.14 | michael2 | annadane: thanks |
| 07:59.22 | annadane | always minimal; death to tasksel :D |
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| 07:59.51 | jim | annadane, lots of folks like to go that way |
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| 08:00.03 | michael2 | I used tasksel to install "debian standard system utilities" I think... |
| 08:00.23 | jim | wait, just now? |
| 08:00.28 | annadane | yeah, i do too, but that's the only thing i install; it comes down to personal preference, of course |
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| 08:00.40 | jim | yep |
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| 08:00.53 | michael2 | is there any difference between ftp.debian.org and deb.debian.org? |
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| 08:01.04 | michael2 | as an apt source? |
| 08:01.12 | jim | they're just different mirrors |
| 08:01.20 | jim | where are you located? |
| 08:01.42 | jim | maybe we can find you a close and well-connected mirror |
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| 08:02.02 | jim | is your net up already? |
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| 08:03.00 | michael2 | New Zealand. yes, I actually should probably just directly connect to a local mirror - better for everyone - net not up yet |
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| 08:03.40 | annadane | you can use http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 08:03.47 | annadane | not for the security line, though |
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| 08:05.02 | michael2 | annadane: I think that just re-directs to ftp.citylink.something.nz - I will try find proper mirror now |
| 08:05.16 | annadane | ah, sorry |
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| 08:05.49 | jim | michael2, ok |
| 08:05.53 | BenNZ | ftp.nz.debian.org does work |
| 08:05.58 | michael2 | annadane: no prob |
| 08:06.11 | jim | patpats his sources.list.m4 :) |
| 08:06.31 | michael2 | BenNZ: thanks, do you know the mirror for security? |
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| 08:07.42 | BenNZ | michael2: i use sid so i dont get security updates |
| 08:08.03 | annadane | i believe it's always the same security mirror, as indicated in that factoid |
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| 08:08.09 | annadane | the other two lines you can set to your local mirror |
| 08:08.28 | jim | michael2, it should be in the dpkg factoid annadane showed you |
| 08:08.51 | abrotman | dpkg: ftp.debian.org |
| 08:08.51 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
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| 08:09.41 | jim | yeah, the debian maints upload to ftp.d.o |
| 08:10.17 | annadane | this is actually the first i've heard of it, i've always just used http://ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 08:10.24 | annadane | which the graphical installer lists |
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| 08:11.50 | themill | (actually, debian maintainers do not upload to ftp.d.o, they upload to a staging machine and when things are added to the archive, they get copied out to lots of mirrors at the same time, ftp.d.o being one of them) |
| 08:12.24 | annadane | the mirror page itself suggests a primary mirror as being a good option as well |
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| 08:13.33 | annadane | oh, what is that package that detects the closest mirror... |
| 08:13.45 | Zesk | Hello, I have a big targz file. I'd like to untar it while delete untared file during the process because my partition is too small. Is there any way to do it easily or I have to combine with another command? |
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| 08:14.19 | themill | annadane: close â reliable or even fast. netselect-apt is rarely a better plan than using deb.d.o |
| 08:14.38 | annadane | i've gotten errors using deb.d.o |
| 08:14.50 | annadane | but point taken |
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| 08:17.21 | michael2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:17.45 | michael2 | or just dpkg -i <packagename>? |
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| 08:19.14 | padomay | jim, hey jim sorry.. i saw that you werw following other people and so i solbed my problem on my own |
| 08:19.23 | abrotman | after you install the firmware, you must reload the driver. Reboot or unload/reload the module |
| 08:19.26 | padomay | jim, thank you anyway man |
| 08:19.32 | abrotman | michael2: ^^ |
| 08:20.24 | annadane | quite surprising to find out everything you know is wrong :P changed my sources.list to deb.debian.org |
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| 08:21.03 | michael2 | so I simply run: dpkg -i firmware-realtek, then modprobe -r ? |
| 08:21.10 | dokma | Looks like my root HDD is getting somehow "detached" on my minning rig. |
| 08:21.29 | dokma | Is there any way to setup some in RAM environ that would survive the event so that I can inspect what happened? |
| 08:21.37 | michael2 | doesn't dpkg install the module? |
| 08:21.44 | dokma | It's happening pretty consistently. |
| 08:22.09 | michael2 | I guess it can't, because its not a module/driver - its firmware? |
| 08:22.11 | dokma | michael2: dpkg installs .deb |
| 08:22.16 | jim | abrotman, I think he has a firmware deb in some dir of his usb stick with the netinst image on it |
| 08:22.25 | dokma | Did you mean dpkg -i whatever.deb ? |
| 08:23.07 | michael2 | dokma: yes, I would have thought in the install scripts of the ,deb all the driver/firmware loading would be done? |
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| 08:23.15 | jim | michael2, there's a fair chance you have the driver, you just need that firmware |
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| 08:23.31 | dokma | I'm suspecting that my root HDD is dying. |
| 08:23.38 | dokma | michael2: I don't think it loads anything. |
| 08:23.41 | dokma | dpkg just installs |
| 08:23.42 | dpkg | dokma: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 08:23.47 | jim | padomay, ok, is your net working at the moment? |
| 08:23.50 | michael2 | jim: thats what I thought - oh well I'll just try it and see... |
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| 08:24.51 | michael2 | thanks for help everyone. I need to go, be back in a bit... |
| 08:25.06 | annadane | we've lost him. |
| 08:25.19 | annadane | engage in editor wars until he returns |
| 08:26.12 | ikanobori | the church of emacs is the antichrist? |
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| 08:38.55 | jim | michael2, ok, how's it going? |
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| 08:42.02 | jim | actually I'll be back in a bit |
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| 08:47.14 | padomay | jim, no no i solved everything |
| 08:47.29 | padomay | From the nerwork to the cinnamon session |
| 08:47.39 | padomay | It was a X problem |
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| 09:23.50 | srged | why does my wifi drops at random times and sometimes quite often, while other days works flawless. what could it be? |
| 09:24.21 | colo-work | srged, maybe it drops out sometimes during background scanning? |
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| 09:26.46 | jim | position? sunspots? maybe you should upgrade your access point?> |
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| 09:28.21 | AliceKelly | is the nic abg or n/ac |
| 09:28.35 | AliceKelly | 2.4 ghz or 5 |
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| 09:30.23 | srged | jim: the AP is 5 meters away, i always have like 85 % signal strenght. so its not that |
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| 09:30.58 | srged | colo-work: no when it drops, it drops like crazy... |
| 09:31.17 | jim | it falls up? |
| 09:31.18 | colo-work | what kind of wifi module do you have, and which driver do you use? |
| 09:31.50 | srged | colo-work: i installed the right ones |
| 09:32.07 | srged | maybe my wifi card is fked up ? |
| 09:32.08 | jim | padomay, hi... |
| 09:32.08 | colo-work | doesn't answer my question |
| 09:32.30 | colo-work | there's plenty of wifi hardware that doesn't play well with Linux |
| 09:33.03 | AliceKelly | srged, i had a similar problem. i found the driver also had a firmware that it needed |
| 09:33.11 | padomay | hi jim... can i ask you a thing in private? |
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| 09:33.46 | jim | padomay, can you give me a couple mins? |
| 09:34.09 | padomay | jim, yeah of course. send me a msg when you can |
| 09:34.09 | srged | colo-work: i use a Vaio VGN-FZ21M .... card Wifi 4965AGN .... i use iwlwifi |
| 09:34.13 | AliceKelly | also 2.4 ghz a/b/g doesnt penetrate concrete as well as 5 ghz n/ac |
| 09:34.23 | colo-work | srged, ok, that's supposed to work OK |
| 09:34.38 | colo-work | if you don't use the also integrated bluetooth, have you tried turning that off? |
| 09:34.47 | AliceKelly | i had to fiddle with the nic driver to force it to 5 gig |
| 09:35.19 | srged | colo-work: BT is on the same button , how do i separatelly put it off ? |
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| 09:35.46 | colo-work | with either `hci` or `bluetoothctl` |
| 09:35.56 | colo-work | unloading the appropriate module should also help |
| 09:36.06 | colo-work | or your DE provides a means to disable the adapter |
| 09:36.59 | srged | colo-work: the funny thing is that for eample today it didnt even drop, not once |
| 09:37.28 | colo-work | interesting: https://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2016/05/16/networkmanager-and-wifi-scans/ |
| 09:37.32 | srged | this is what intrigues me. how come other days it drops every 10 minutes and not it works and for sure it will drop again.. |
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| 09:38.39 | AliceKelly | srged, have tou checked dmesg ? |
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| 09:39.22 | srged | AliceKelly: when? now when it orks fine all day ? |
| 09:39.32 | jim | padomay, check your pm pls :) |
| 09:40.20 | AliceKelly | srged, try now see if it shows any errors. any errors at all |
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| 09:40.42 | DemolitionMan | hi |
| 09:41.13 | DemolitionMan | please help, is there any icons set for common lisp source code files .lisp? |
| 09:42.20 | srged | AliceKelly: http://paste.debian.net/1028307/ |
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| 09:45.15 | DemolitionMan | :( |
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| 09:45.26 | srged | AliceKelly: i dony see errors |
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| 09:48.17 | AliceKelly | srged, look at line 040 and 059 |
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| 09:48.34 | AliceKelly | 950 |
| 09:48.43 | AliceKelly | stupid dislexia |
| 09:49.05 | AliceKelly | i think i know the problem but you might not like it |
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| 09:50.12 | AliceKelly | srged, what do you know about irq's |
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| 09:52.13 | srged | AliceKelly: hmm |
| 09:53.01 | AliceKelly | srged, its my personal experience that acpi doesnt really share irq's very well |
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| 09:53.47 | AliceKelly | it was supposed to replace plug n pray but is a great big pile of poop in reality |
| 09:53.48 | srged | AliceKelly: and what should i do ? |
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| 09:54.02 | kos-mos | Hello |
| 09:54.18 | AliceKelly | I would change the bios settings so acpi is off |
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| 09:55.00 | AliceKelly | it suppose the nic was sharing an irq with say your sound card and one didnt share very well |
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| 09:55.10 | AliceKelly | it might knock the nic off |
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| 09:55.25 | kos-mos | Except the team, what is the difference between base support and the LTS one ? |
| 09:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's different parts interfering with each other⦠look at [ 23.629424] userif-3: sent link down event. |
| 09:55.50 | srged | AliceKelly: so i should try and off the acpi in bios, right ? |
| 09:55.51 | AliceKelly | on line 949 of your dmesg output i shows the nic kicking off |
| 09:56.19 | AliceKelly | yes, thats what id do |
| 09:56.23 | AliceKelly | but |
| 09:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but it says: (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING) |
| 09:57.03 | AliceKelly | if your dual booting winblows it will screw your winblows install |
| 09:57.09 | srged | AliceKelly: last time i tried that i couldnt find no acpi option in bios to off it. its an old laptop vaio fz21m |
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| 09:57.30 | srged | AliceKelly: single boot here, debian exclusive |
| 09:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's leaving because of "userif-3: sent link down event." |
| 09:58.19 | AliceKelly | CutMeOwnThroat, what would happen to a device if the kernel suddenly didnt see i any more |
| 09:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | srged, see if it also happens if you don't have any VM running ⦠or is this from inside a vm? |
| 09:59.07 | AliceKelly | its a vm ? |
| 09:59.14 | srged | CutMeOwnThroat: i have no clue about no vm running |
| 09:59.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well⦠/dev/vmnet: open called by PID 1443 (vmnet-bridge) |
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| 10:00.16 | srged | CutMeOwnThroat: i have virtualbox and vmware installed on this machine but i did not use any of those in a while now |
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| 10:00.34 | srged | they probably start automatically when i power up ? |
| 10:00.56 | AliceKelly | i would still disable acpi. no matter how you cut the pie heres only 14 irqs |
| 10:01.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | "VBoxNetAdp: Successfully started." |
| 10:01.29 | srged | CutMeOwnThroat: good. i will purge vbox |
| 10:01.33 | AliceKelly | cant hurt to give each device its own irq to use the buss |
| 10:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're not using them⦠uninstalling/disabling them would at least make all the network stuff in dmesg a lot more readable⦠and maybe making the bridge and all the vm stuff is part of the problem |
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| 10:02.34 | srged | CutMeOwnThroat: i had the same problem even before installing any vmware app |
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| 10:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | more than 2/3rd of the dmesg on network stuff seems to be about the VMs⦠I'd try to cut down on complexity and then look at the problem again |
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| 10:05.41 | srged | is now uninstalling virtualbox |
| 10:05.48 | AliceKelly | is there a way to make the mouse touchpade detect double tap ? |
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| 10:14.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | AliceKelly, look at https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad and at man libinput |
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| 10:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, I misread⦠tapping with two or three fingers becomes button two and three |
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| 10:15.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if tapping is on, tapping twice should be a double-click anyway? |
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| 10:18.53 | AliceKelly | thank you |
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| 10:38.53 | AliceKelly | CutMeOwnThroat, that was awesome. just had to make the conf file and reboot |
| 10:39.18 | AliceKelly | lib was already installed |
| 10:40.07 | AliceKelly | now if i could only figure out webgl id be happy |
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| 10:40.33 | jim | padomay_, I see you made it back here |
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| 10:42.04 | padomay | jim, no no, my connection has crashed for a sec :) |
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| 10:56.27 | michael2 | when the command: lspci -nn is run and the wifi adapter is shown in the output - all that that tells you is the card is plugged in to the pci bus right? it doesn't tell you whether the firmware is loaded or not ? |
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| 10:57.43 | tyzef | sauf que il y a un bug dedans |
| 10:58.09 | tyzef | oops wrong IRC sorry guys |
| 10:58.12 | Kelsar | ist there a nginx pagespeed package somewhere? ... |
| 10:58.14 | p0g0 | michael2: yes, that is just a hardware detection. lsmod might show you a driver. |
| 10:58.37 | p0g0 | The firmware tho, I am not sure how to test for that in general. |
| 10:59.36 | michael2 | p0g0: I found the firmware - you can test for it by searching the contents of /var/llog/syslog - the kernel tried to load the firmware and failed... |
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| 11:02.09 | michael2 | Kelsar: what do you mean by pagespeed a monitoring tool to tell you time to generate a webpage? |
| 11:02.27 | Kelsar | michael2: i mean the nginx pagespeed module |
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| 11:02.41 | Kelsar | that is how it is called ;) |
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| 11:02.58 | michael2 | oh, ok. sorry I dont know |
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| 11:04.44 | michael2 | does anyone know why - in the minimal linux terminal, chars like ~ and | don't work? and whether this can be fixed? |
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| 11:05.50 | Fox | Kelsar: no debian package for that, you'll have to patch nginx source package |
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| 11:06.04 | jim | michael2, how do you mean, they don't work? |
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| 11:06.10 | Kelsar | misses dotdev |
| 11:06.13 | Kelsar | dotdeb |
| 11:06.40 | michael2 | jim: when I press ~ the terminal prints ` |
| 11:06.55 | michael2 | when I type | the terminal prints ~ |
| 11:07.06 | Kelsar | so you got the wrong keyboardlayout |
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| 11:07.28 | jim | can he change it? |
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| 11:08.09 | michael2 | is it necessary to match the keyboard layout to the hardware or something? |
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| 11:09.43 | Fox | Kelsar: oh, you're on jessie ? |
| 11:10.06 | Kelsar | Fox: no, on stretch |
| 11:10.27 | wigums | sounds like your locale isnt set |
| 11:10.28 | Fox | k, you talked about dotdeb |
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| 11:11.37 | michael2 | wigums: do I set that with: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ? |
| 11:12.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, keyboard layout |
| 11:12.00 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 11:12.29 | AliceKelly | where is he xorg.conf located |
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| 11:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is none until you create one⦠it's all autodetected by default |
| 11:12.59 | michael2 | normally /etc/X11 you usually need to create it thought |
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| 11:13.07 | michael2 | s/thought/though |
| 11:13.29 | TTT | hi, I have cooler master masterkeys keyboard. It has "cooler master" keys instead of windows keys, and on my Debian/sid these keys do nothing |
| 11:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, xorg.conf |
| 11:13.31 | dpkg | From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>. |
| 11:13.41 | TTT | showkey shows nothing when I press them |
| 11:13.49 | AliceKelly | thank you. in /etc/X11/ right ? |
| 11:13.49 | TTT | how do I make them work as normal windows keys? |
| 11:15.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | if this is on X, try xev and see if that creates events |
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| 11:16.05 | AliceKelly | brb |
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| 11:16.18 | vg100 | fgfh |
| 11:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | also maybe ⦠|
| 11:16.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, keyboard layout |
| 11:16.23 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 11:16.33 | vg100 | hello |
| 11:16.42 | vg100 | i am new here |
| 11:16.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | try a keyboard with more keys⦠105-key |
| 11:17.10 | vg100 | hello |
| 11:17.18 | vg100 | know one reply |
| 11:17.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | vg100, we see you |
| 11:17.33 | vg100 | ok |
| 11:18.03 | vg100 | nice nick name cutmeownthroat |
| 11:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a Pratchett character |
| 11:19.16 | nlsthzn_why_not | sells the best hot dogs :p |
| 11:19.18 | vg100 | ok |
| 11:19.31 | michael2 | I ran `dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' and it showed me a list of keyboards to select, how do I know which keyboard I have - so I can choose the right option? lspci doesn't seem to show my keyboard |
| 11:19.32 | vg100 | you are hacker |
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| 11:21.20 | jelly | michael2: if you don't know, pick the generic pc 105 or 104 keyboard |
| 11:21.40 | TTT | CutMeOwnThroat, tried the dpkg-reconfigure, but xev shows NOTHING when I press those keys |
| 11:22.05 | TTT | CutMeOwnThroat, btw, cooler master keyboards are not in the list, so I selected generic 105 key keyboard |
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| 11:22.54 | AliceKelly | boy that was a bad idea ! |
| 11:23.10 | michael2 | jelly: thanks |
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| 11:24.03 | michael2 | Im now getting prompted for the "AltGr" key? with a list of options? any ideas? |
| 11:24.29 | jelly | you do not have to choose any, michael2 |
| 11:24.33 | TTT | CutMeOwnThroat, resolved that by pressing Fn+E for several seconds after I found some post on Reddit. It was a keyboard, not a Debian issue after all |
| 11:24.47 | TTT | now looking to find what on earth FN+E really does |
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| 11:25.34 | jim | michael2, is your keyboard working any better now? |
| 11:26.20 | kirk781 | Debian shows the message "journal cleared" while booting up next to the name of the drive[/dev/sda]. What does it mean |
| 11:26.25 | Haohmaru | <lack_of_response> |
| 11:26.32 | michael2 | jelly, jim im now getting prompted to select a "compose" key? |
| 11:26.41 | AliceKelly | im trying to squeeze some video performance out of an r250. any tweaks availibe? |
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| 11:27.46 | michael2 | Im guessing I can get by without a compose key? |
| 11:27.50 | jelly | michael2: you don't have to choose any of those either, unless you really want to have Compose key functionality |
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| 11:28.48 | michael2 | so "compose key" is some esoteric keyboard thing? |
| 11:29.02 | jelly | it enables typing unusual characters with longer key sequences, eg. Compose + u + " makes an ü even if you don't have umlauts on the current layout |
| 11:29.37 | jelly | Compose + C + C + C + P makes a very useful â |
| 11:29.55 | jelly | Compose + < + 3 = ⥠etc |
| 11:30.28 | michael2 | hah, show off :) no dice, keyboard still can't generate a | for me - and I definitely cant do those fancy chars |
| 11:30.31 | Haohmaru | emoji crap :~( |
| 11:30.50 | jelly | michael2: which keyboard layout are you using? |
| 11:31.09 | jolt | jelly: Funny, we where just talking about the APL programming language here! http://wordsandbuttons.online/apl_deserves_its_renaissance_too.html |
| 11:31.11 | michael2 | I picked 105 INTL |
| 11:31.13 | Haohmaru | such trouble, sounds like a laptop keyboard |
| 11:31.22 | jelly | michael2: which language? |
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| 11:31.41 | jelly | or which locale |
| 11:31.55 | michael2 | yes its a laptop keyboard - language is british english - I think - locale is New Zealand |
| 11:32.24 | michael2 | echo $LANG -> en_NZ.UTF-8 |
| 11:32.25 | Haohmaru | i reject touching laptops |
| 11:32.55 | jelly | michael2: and what happens when you press shift + third key right of P ? |
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| 11:33.03 | jim | michael2, how you doing with networking to that machine? |
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| 11:33.51 | michael2 | jelly you mean | ? it generates a ~ when it should generate a | |
| 11:34.59 | michael2 | jim: my wifi firmware isn't loaded - weird thing is `iwlist wlp3s0 s' reports all the available wifi AP's ?! |
| 11:35.48 | jim | michael2, so then your card is already working... maybe all to do now, is configure it for your access point |
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| 11:36.49 | jim | maybe the firmware*.deb file in that subdir of your netinstall was in the right place after all? |
| 11:37.38 | michael2 | jim: you mean `iwconfig wlp3s0 essid <myAp>' it doesn't work - but Ill try install firmware now |
| 11:38.12 | jelly | michael2: what if you switch to en_US layout? |
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| 11:38.20 | jim | michael2, well we want to do it so that it will come up every boot |
| 11:38.51 | jim | when you have the keyboard issue solved, we start on that |
| 11:38.52 | michael2 | jim: I thought the same thing - maybe the installer figured it out - but know the kernel is reporting an error when trying to load the wifi firmware I need to to get it installed properly |
| 11:38.53 | jelly | michael2: are you testing in X or at the console or both? |
| 11:39.28 | jim | jelly, I think he just has the base installed |
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| 11:40.07 | michael2 | jelly: how do I try switching to en_US? re-run `dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'? - also I have no X - only minimal netinstaller install |
| 11:40.25 | jim | (or if we shouldn't call it "base", then whatever that set of packages that installs from the netinstall is) |
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| 11:40.42 | jelly | Haohmaru: try to keep your comments in here to topical, helpful ones; <Haohmaru> i reject touching laptops -- do this in #debian-offtopic not here |
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| 11:41.16 | jelly | michael2: yes, rerun that or just run "loadkeys us" temporarily |
| 11:41.49 | Haohmaru | oops, sorry :/ |
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| 11:45.31 | michael2 | jelly: I re-ran dpkg-reconf.... keyboard-configureation. and choose the 104 generic - and then US keys - keys still didn't work. then I tried running `loadkeys us' and loadkeys prints "cannot open file us" |
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| 11:48.41 | jelly | michael2: huh. What does this command say: dpkg -S $(which loadkeys) |
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| 11:51.36 | michael2 | jelly: dpkg-query no path found matching /usr/bin/loadkeys |
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| 11:52.14 | jelly | michael2: which debian release is this? |
| 11:52.30 | michael2 | stretch 9.4 |
| 11:52.38 | jelly | oh, there's a symlink |
| 11:52.51 | jelly | michael2: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which loadkeys)) |
| 11:53.18 | michael2 | kbd |
| 11:53.31 | jelly | you probably don't have console-data package installed, install it |
| 11:53.47 | michael2 | I dont have a network connection on that maching |
| 11:53.58 | michael2 | s/machin/machine |
| 11:54.04 | jim | maybe this would be a good time to get his net going? |
| 11:54.50 | jim | michael2, you could also download debian onto a different machine and transfer them using usb or something like that |
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| 11:55.50 | AliceKelly | how do you see what drivers x is loading |
| 11:55.56 | jelly | michael2: do you have a usb stick connection |
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| 11:56.26 | jelly | AliceKelly: mostly you look at its log, used to be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:56.43 | AliceKelly | jelly, thank you |
| 11:57.55 | michael2 | jelly: yes I can download on one machinge and transfer using usb ok. question: if I download from a different machine and install using dpkg -i console-data - will that package be properly integrated into apt/dpkg and receive updates etc? |
| 11:58.37 | jim | I misspoke slightly... let me fix it |
| 11:58.44 | michael2 | also, I dont think /var/log/Xorg is a thing its somewher in $HOME now... |
| 11:58.52 | jim | michael2, you could also download debian packages onto a different machine and transfer them using usb or something like that |
| 11:59.27 | p21k | Does anyone know why does uvesafb framebuffer doesn't work with X properly on debian 9? Framebuffer works fine but GUI applications does not work properly, they are unreadable |
| 12:00.46 | jim | michael2, (will it be updated if you install the package, transfering the package file using a usb stick), yes, it will |
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| 12:02.32 | michael2 | jim: thanks. I will try install wifi firmware - hopefully that will easy - then try USB if not... |
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| 12:03.36 | jim | didn't you say iwlist scan shows your neighbors? |
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| 12:04.48 | jim | if it does, there's a good chance you don't need more firmware, you just need to configure your wireless connection to your access point |
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| 12:05.27 | michael2 | jim: yeah thats the weird thing - iwlist works. but when I try and associate with `iwconfig wlp3s0 essid SSID ' it fails |
| 12:05.49 | jim | with what message? |
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| 12:06.05 | AliceKelly | you werent kidding when you said it auto congigured everyhing |
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| 12:07.40 | jim | can you plug in that usb stick you used for the image you booted to install debian? |
| 12:07.51 | michael2 | jim: kernel message: wlp3s0: send auth to [mac addr] try (1/1) (1/2) ... then it just times out |
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| 12:08.36 | jim | ok, let's try installing the firmware package then, to see if that helps |
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| 12:08.54 | michael2 | jim: .deb is there Im thinking I just need to run `dpkg -i realtek-firmware' ? I'll try that now... |
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| 12:09.52 | jim | be in the dir with the .deb... then, dpkg -i real (then hit tab, see if it completes to .deb) |
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| 12:10.22 | michael2 | ok |
| 12:10.40 | jim | let me know when you get that far |
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| 12:11.46 | hybridark | Hi guys |
| 12:11.55 | p21k | hi |
| 12:12.00 | jim | hi |
| 12:12.03 | michael2 | jim: ok I ran it - and dpkg printed its usual output - do I need to reboot the machine? |
| 12:12.31 | hybridark | have you heard of chron-34e2fg? I've been seeing this process in one of my servers starting from time to time and consuming all CPU. I can't seem to find what is related to on Google. Starting to think it might be some sort of malware |
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| 12:12.58 | jim | well you could do it that way,,, but you can also modprobe -r (put module here) |
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| 12:13.26 | jim | you can look through lsmod to see which module it it |
| 12:13.30 | jim | is |
| 12:13.41 | michael2 | I just rebooted |
| 12:13.44 | p21k | run pstree and see what process invoked it |
| 12:13.54 | jim | ok, that'll do it |
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| 12:15.00 | jim | you should log in as root, and look thru dmesg listing to see if there are any funny errors in there, especially if they relate to the wireless, its driver or its firmware |
| 12:15.07 | p21k | hybridark, mate literally first link after duckduckgo search https://superuser.com/questions/1325095/chron-34e2fg-command-consume-100-cpu-on-linux-ami |
| 12:15.17 | p21k | hybridark, do some research before asking question |
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| 12:15.47 | hybridark | p21k, I've done that already. That's why I'm asking here if anyone knows |
| 12:16.09 | hybridark | p21k, I've ran those commands, they have nothing to do with apache in my case |
| 12:16.27 | p21k | hybridark, next time u see the process run pstree and see what invoked it |
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| 12:16.34 | hybridark | even though there's a rm -f command there, chron-34e2fg comes back |
| 12:16.42 | hybridark | next time it runs, I'll check with pstree |
| 12:17.09 | p21k | u can also run a scan with rkhunter or something if u are really paranoid |
| 12:17.45 | jim | michael2, ok, does association work now? |
| 12:17.49 | Fox | p21k: paranoid people would reinstall from scratch, normal people would use rkhunter in that case :) |
| 12:18.26 | p21k | Fox, well that's also true :p |
| 12:18.29 | michael2 | jim: kernel messages are reporting firmware loaded without problem - gonna try `ip a link set up wlp3s0' and iwconfig wlp3s0 essid MYSSID now... |
| 12:19.41 | jim | ok, sounds promising |
| 12:20.03 | jim | if you can do that, maybe we can make it perm |
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| 12:21.06 | jim | or maybe we can get it to use network manager if you want to go that route... might be better for if you take the laptop to different nets |
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| 12:22.08 | michael2 | yeah I usually use network manager - ok adapter is associated to AP! |
| 12:22.23 | michael2 | now I just need a DHCP lease... |
| 12:22.29 | jim | cool :) |
| 12:22.59 | michael2 | is there an option to daemonise `dhclient' ? |
| 12:23.43 | michael2 | nohup? |
| 12:23.50 | jim | kinda... you don't need it for any length of time, once you get this far, maybe the best thing to do is try to ping |
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| 12:24.21 | jim | I think the dhclient will do the "right thing" |
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| 12:24.49 | michael2 | yeah , it did and its seems network is up :) |
| 12:25.18 | jim | ok, test with: ping -c 3 yahoo.com |
| 12:26.21 | michael2 | yep, ping works nice. Im just configuring /etc/apt/sources.list now... |
| 12:26.42 | jim | do you need that factoid again? |
| 12:27.32 | michael2 | looking just now, the installer helpfully placed the lines in the file |
| 12:27.45 | michael2 | i mean /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:28.51 | jim | ok, try this: apt update |
| 12:29.27 | michael2 | just found a line missing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:30.29 | jim | !stretch sources |
| 12:30.30 | dpkg | stretch sources is, like, see https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
| 12:30.30 | michael2 | installer placed: security and upgrades, but it didn't place the line for the actual release archive! fixing now... |
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| 12:32.26 | bitSt0rm | Do debian have a default /etx/X11/xorg.conf when newly installed, updated and upgraded? I have some trouble with the nvidia-drivers modifying the file, and not sure how the file looked before, and if it exsisted? |
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| 12:34.18 | abrotman | bitSt0rm: no, though I can't comment on what nVidia does |
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| 12:34.43 | bitSt0rm | abrotman, okay thank you |
| 12:34.52 | Nekojimi | Hey, does anyone know what Debian package I would need for debug symbols for KDE's plasmashell? |
| 12:34.58 | michael2 | jim: ok apt-get update is working now |
| 12:35.18 | Nekojimi | I've tried plasma-workspace-dbgsym and plasma-desktop-dbgsym and neither work for getting a backtrace |
| 12:35.32 | JohnA | I am getting a message from logwatch, in the "HTTPD errors ..." - level error.: 4987 time(s). how can i find what is causing this and how do i fix it? |
| 12:35.36 | xenial64-user | Hello, is there a package list for firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso. I am wondering if it contains nmtui, or if it installs it after maybe? |
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| 12:37.10 | michael2 | I think network-manager would install nmtui |
| 12:37.17 | jim | michael2, what's suggesting that? |
| 12:37.51 | michael2 | im guessing |
| 12:38.02 | jim | yeah, probably so... but, you don't have x, and I'd rather not pull it in at this moment if it can be avoided |
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| 12:38.30 | jim | if installing nmtui doen't pull in the x server (and all that), you can start with that |
| 12:38.31 | jim | OR |
| 12:38.48 | jim | you can pull in your choice of DE now |
| 12:39.07 | xenial64-user | nmtui is just curses so it wont. |
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| 12:39.27 | xenial64-user | i just dont want to have to use wpa_supplicant cause wifi config in linux is stupid and confusing |
| 12:39.31 | michael2 | jim: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=nmcli&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 12:39.48 | jim | so we have the choice I guess |
| 12:40.11 | jim | michael2, you have a net connection now, what do you want to do |
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| 12:40.27 | michael2 | sorry that was for nmcli here is for nmtui |
| 12:40.50 | jim | ,deps nmtui |
| 12:40.53 | michael2 | https://packages.debian.org/search?mode=path&suite=stretch§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=nmtui |
| 12:41.03 | jim | ,depends nmtui |
| 12:41.04 | judd | No package named 'nmtui' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 12:41.17 | jim | hmm |
| 12:41.24 | michael2 | no network-manger installs nmtui |
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| 12:41.38 | jim | so maybe I'm wrong about the package tree |
| 12:42.14 | jim | but I still say you have the choice of dealing with the network thing now, or installing your choice of de |
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| 12:44.31 | michael2 | I'm happy with getting the system installed. I'll go to sleep now. start on getting keyboard working tommorow |
| 12:44.58 | michael2 | jim: yeah I'll setup network manager tomorrow |
| 12:45.33 | michael2 | jim: jelly thanks again for help :) |
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| 12:47.22 | jim | michael2, welcome :) what do you like as a de? |
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| 12:58.14 | ov3rmind | hello great cool guys, here is a good time to say good morning :) |
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| 13:13.34 | rohieb|ptx | where has http://dep.debian.net/ gone? |
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| 13:14.15 | greycat | You misspelled it. It's deb.debian.org. |
| 13:14.34 | greycat | Unless you're talking about some completely different thing that I've never heard of before. |
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| 13:19.16 | rohieb|ptx | I was talking about Debian Enhancement Proposals :) |
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| 13:19.55 | rohieb|ptx | e.g. http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep14/ |
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| 13:35.53 | theor_ | Hi. Sorry for the stupid question. I'm editing a file in Vi and want to paste the output of a shell command send with "!cmd". How would I do that? |
| 13:36.11 | greycat | :r !cmd |
| 13:36.30 | theor_ | greycat: that was fast! thx! |
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| 13:40.35 | plasmoduck | how do I make my mounted drive show up in "Devices"? It's only showing the root drive there, I have to cd to /storage thn bookmark it. But I'd prefer it to show as an actual device in "Devices". |
| 13:40.51 | AliceKelly | i manually installed a deb file from my downloads. how do i make apt-get remove the package |
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| 13:41.20 | greycat | apt-get remove yourpkgname |
| 13:41.37 | AliceKelly | i read the man tried remove and purge |
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| 13:42.10 | greycat | if you don't need to worry about dependencies, there's always dpkg --remove yourpkgname |
| 13:42.33 | greycat | If THAT doesn't work, stop being vague. Give the name of the package, the command you typed, and its output. |
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| 13:43.44 | AliceKelly | sudo apt-get remove steam_launcher |
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| 13:43.58 | greycat | that's not even a valid package name |
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| 13:44.29 | greycat | So it sounds like your first problem is figuring out the NAME of the package in question. Try "dpkg -l | grep steam" or something. |
| 13:45.20 | AliceKelly | udo apt purge /home/alice/Downloads/steam_latest.deb |
| 13:45.38 | greycat | Again, that is not a package name. That looks like a file name. Try "dpkg -l | grep steam". |
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| 13:45.49 | AliceKelly | and sudo apt-get purge /home/alice/Downloads/steam_latest.deb |
| 13:46.07 | AliceKelly | tes thats the package |
| 13:46.11 | AliceKelly | yes |
| 13:46.17 | greycat | What does dpkg -l | grep steam say? |
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| 13:51.56 | AliceKelly | thats weird. apt-get called it steam_latest dpkg returned steam-launcher |
| 13:52.11 | AliceKelly | got it , thanks |
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| 13:52.29 | greycat | In your case, the file name and the package name were different. |
| 13:52.42 | AliceKelly | as well yes |
| 13:53.01 | AliceKelly | wouldnt run anyway |
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| 13:53.25 | greycat | !steam |
| 13:53.26 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 13:54.43 | greycat | wizardTower: please disable your bot features, or map them to a trigger character that is NOT already in use by other bots in the channels you're in |
| 13:55.14 | AliceKelly | i dont really understand the relationship of dpkg , apt , apt-get |
| 13:55.32 | AliceKelly | and deselect |
| 13:55.37 | greycat | "dpkg" is the low-level package manager. It does all the real work of installing and removing packages and keeping track of their files. |
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| 13:56.04 | AliceKelly | and apt / apt-get are overlays ? |
| 13:56.05 | greycat | "apt" and apt-get and aptitude are tools that are layered on top of dpkg, which download package files from the internet, and their dependencies. |
| 13:56.25 | greycat | dselect was an older tool, before apt. |
| 13:56.25 | dselect | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, greycat |
| 13:56.31 | greycat | Fuck, the one that I don't quote.... |
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| 13:57.05 | AliceKelly | thank you for your patient guidence |
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| 14:09.58 | vandman | Does anyone knows how to create mysql data to /data/mysql (without cp or mv commmand) and start the service accordingly? |
| 14:10.16 | Tenkawa | rpi |
| 14:10.19 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 14:10.21 | Tenkawa | sorr |
| 14:10.22 | Tenkawa | y |
| 14:10.58 | RoyK | vandman: editing the config file? |
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| 14:13.44 | vandman | here it is: https://pastebin.com/2VQqGrL9 |
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| 14:14.34 | RoyK | vandman: just change datadir to -data/mysql |
| 14:14.40 | RoyK | or /data/mysql |
| 14:15.03 | RoyK | if you have existing data, move them, otherwise, initialise a new database |
| 14:15.37 | vandman | actually, {{ item.dir_ctxt }}/base is the correct target. |
| 14:16.05 | Fox | maybe better providing the final config faile, instead of the ansible template ? |
| 14:16.13 | Fox | s/faile/file/ |
| 14:16.34 | RoyK | :) |
| 14:17.49 | jim | michael2, hi, you still here? |
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| 14:18.45 | vandman | here it is: https://pastebin.com/FiCvQDm4 |
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| 14:19.04 | RoyK | then just move the data |
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| 14:19.32 | azy | how do i see emojis rather than square boxes? |
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| 14:19.59 | jim | probably you need the fonts |
| 14:20.01 | RoyK | vandman: "without cp or mv commmand" <-- what exactly do you mean? bind-mounting or black magic? |
| 14:20.27 | jim | and no, I dunno which ones, but you need the fonts that have the glyphs you want |
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| 14:20.50 | vandman | I can not move, copy /var/lib/mysql. |
| 14:21.07 | Tenkawa | vandman: why? |
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| 14:21.21 | vandman | I need to initialise a new database. |
| 14:21.28 | RoyK | vandman: then dump the databases, init a new one and import the data |
| 14:21.46 | Tenkawa | thats much easier then |
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| 14:21.50 | Tenkawa | mysqldump |
| 14:21.59 | Tenkawa | after creating a new db |
| 14:22.05 | Tenkawa | then load it in |
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| 14:22.24 | Tenkawa | RoyK: wouldnt you agree? |
| 14:22.29 | RoyK | indeed |
| 14:22.36 | vandman | I need to use mysql_install_db |
| 14:22.58 | Tenkawa | why are you overcomplicating this? |
| 14:23.30 | Fox | vandman: does that mean you have to do what you want to do using ansible ? |
| 14:23.31 | RoyK | Tenkawa: (s)he needs to run mysql_install_db first to create the initial mysql systemdb |
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| 14:23.57 | Tenkawa | oh just for that part |
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| 14:24.14 | vandman | I have to deploy a new database on /data with ansible |
| 14:24.31 | Tenkawa | (technically you can do it through a create command but its an old method i think) |
| 14:24.34 | Fox | to me it does not look like a debian problem :) |
| 14:24.46 | vandman | I can not use a previous database even if it is empty. |
| 14:24.47 | RoyK | vandman: then create a playbook to dump/init/load the db |
| 14:24.56 | vandman | I have no choice. |
| 14:25.27 | jim | vandman, what is it that has denied you this choice? |
| 14:25.48 | vandman | work reason. |
| 14:26.00 | jim | so, your boss? |
| 14:26.12 | RoyK | jim: cut it - if vandman says it won't work, it won't |
| 14:26.38 | jim | I didn't say it would or it wouldn't |
| 14:26.39 | Fox | vandman: tell ansible to run a script that does the job of dumping/creating/reloading the db |
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| 14:27.06 | jim | RoyK, all I did was ask a question |
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| 14:27.25 | themill | "mysqladmin drop" |
| 14:27.41 | RoyK | themill: better dump the db first ;) |
| 14:27.49 | Tenkawa | indeed |
| 14:27.50 | themill | only if you want it! |
| 14:27.54 | vandman | I do not need to dump database at the moment. I just need to create a new database from scratch. |
| 14:27.59 | Tenkawa | definitely create a backup |
| 14:27.59 | RoyK | ansible has an rsync module, though |
| 14:28.03 | Tenkawa | oh ok |
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| 14:28.31 | themill | then "mysqladmin create" |
| 14:29.16 | RoyK | https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/2.3/mysql_db_module.html |
| 14:29.25 | RoyK | there are other mysql modules as well |
| 14:29.48 | themill | (using them would be even better than scripting this) |
| 14:29.59 | vandman | I uses this command: /usr/bin/mysql_install_db --default-file="/data/mysql/param/my.cnf with no suscces. |
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| 14:31.02 | jim | vandman, does the current database (that you might be about to drop) contain any data? |
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| 14:32.22 | jim | vandman, no success? was there anything the command outputted that indicates why it failed? |
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| 14:33.13 | vandman | no because /data is empty when I start the ansible process. |
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| 14:35.26 | vandman | It is like it does not read the default file. I have 2 errors: Can't find messagefile '/usr/share/mysql/errmsg.sys and /usr/sbin/mysqld: Can't change dir to '/data/mysql/base' |
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| 14:39.51 | vandman | Am I frozen! |
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| 14:43.33 | Abrax | let it go |
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| 14:46.00 | somiaj | What are some simple screen lock utilities that would work well with a simple window manager. I recall xlock, xlockmore, and xscreensaver, though I mostly want the lock, not the screensaver (console blanking is fine) |
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| 14:46.57 | petn-randall | somiaj: xscreensaver allows you to simply blank the screen. |
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| 14:56.10 | somiaj | petn-randall: that is what I thought, was wondering if there were any new tools, don't need to install screensaversr I won't be using, but maybe I'll just turn them back on for the retro feel of it (use to run the matrix screensaver in his root window) |
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| 15:05.07 | bitess | somiaj: i3lock is pretty light. |
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| 15:07.37 | bitess | had a wrapper that took a screenshot, blured it and used it as a background image for i3lock. that was looked pretty neat. |
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| 15:07.58 | vandman | Hi, What do I miss to be able to start mysql service in my ansible task: https://pastebin.com/TLWfqWS5 |
| 15:08.30 | vandman | It is stiil for my mysql probleme. |
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| 15:10.52 | greycat | When xlock(more) disappeared, I switched to i3lock as well. It just makes the screen white instead of black. |
| 15:10.59 | somiaj | also there needs to be a way to tell gtk apps to shut up...run to many of them from consoles and my consoles and .xsession-errors are filled with warnings. |
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| 15:11.33 | somiaj | ahh xlock(more) dosen't exist anymore, didn't realize that...I normally don't use such things, but figured be nice for my work machine |
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| 15:11.44 | petn-randall | vandman: Haven't we already explained the issue to your in great detail a few days ago? |
| 15:11.55 | greycat | i3lock is a reasonable replacement for xlock in that kind of work environment |
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| 15:12.32 | farruinn | despite it's name i3lock doesn't require the rest of i3 either. |
| 15:12.47 | greycat | Right. It's a standalone utility. |
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| 15:15.09 | vandman | petn-randall: I do not have all of our conversation history. Can you remind me what was the task you advise me to add? |
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| 15:16.31 | somiaj | do you have to do anything to get i3lock to autolock (like use xautolock?) |
| 15:17.04 | greycat | What, like kick in automatically after x seconds idle? I have no idea. I absolutely never do that. |
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| 15:17.22 | somiaj | yea, kinda like the x blanking, it will lock if left alone |
| 15:17.44 | somiaj | xautolock might do that, guess I should RTFM and see if i3lock has that capability |
| 15:18.26 | greycat | man page has "SEE ALSO xautolock(1) - use i3lock as your screen saver" |
| 15:18.46 | greycat | so I guess there's some way to make them act as a team |
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| 15:22.05 | somiaj | yea xautolock is the timmer and you can call any program/script you want from it. |
| 15:22.17 | greycat | sounds sane. |
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| 15:43.44 | hxmuller | kernel configuration is an exercise in delayed gratification |
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| 15:44.52 | dgp | hxmuller: right at the point it actually starts booting instead of locking up the machine? |
| 15:45.28 | hxmuller | dgp: I'll start with booting |
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| 15:46.34 | dgp | For me it's always a "got to 7-11 and get some beer" event when some random ARM board starts outputting kernel messages instead of dying at the "loading kernel..." message from uboot :) |
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| 15:46.44 | hxmuller | I'm still not done getting through the config menu |
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| 15:48.47 | dgp | hxmuller: Usually you should start with a working config and go from there. Never change too much in one go |
| 15:50.16 | hxmuller | dgp: that's my process, haven't changed anything yet. reading all the new stuff. |
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| 15:51.44 | dgp | hxmuller: Why are you building a kernel anyhow? On x86 you pretty much never need to do that |
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| 15:53.39 | hxmuller | I can't install Stretch on a Ryzen 3 2200g based system, because the video is corrupt. So if I want to use it, I have to compile a 4.17 kernel, which I am doing in a Debian testing container |
| 15:54.17 | hxmuller | And I won't be able to use the installer, so building the root filesystem with cdebootstrap |
| 15:55.49 | dgp | hxmuller: do you want to run stable? you could probably get away with the testing installer and then pull in 4.17 from experimental |
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| 15:57.18 | hxmuller | dgp: stable is preferable, but it won't build 4.17 because it doesn't have gcc-7, which is why I am using a Testing container |
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| 15:57.46 | dgp | for recentish hardware I think you'll have a hard time living with stable to be honest |
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| 15:58.54 | hxmuller | lol, yeah. It will eventually work in Stable. I'll just have fun in Testing for awhile. |
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| 16:00.30 | dgp | I'm surprised you can't build 4.17 with whatever is in stable. I thought even GCC 4 still worked :/. |
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| 16:02.26 | somiaj | not due to recent kernel features, they require a newer gcc for the security fixes, ratpoline is a main one (Though that feature was backporeted into stretches gcc), there could be other non features that are not security that are also needed |
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| 16:03.16 | somiaj | I'm unsure what stretch-backports does to build the kernels, but kernel binary depends are fairily sane so maybe it can be built in a newer chroot |
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| 16:05.47 | hxmuller | somiaj: yeah, I didn't think to try backports first. I seem to gravitate towards the harder solutions first. |
| 16:06.04 | nlsthzn | hi. Just installed Debian 9, all non-free contrib backports etc. enabled etc. Installed latest kernel (4.16) and nvidia driver 390.x. Monitor that runs from nvidia works fine. Monitor on onboard Intel not being seen (even by xrandr). Any ideas for next steps? |
| 16:06.30 | dgp | hxmuller: learning how stuff actually works is never a bad thing ;) |
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| 16:06.48 | hxmuller | dgp: alas, gcc-7 hasn't hit backports. so I'm still on the right track |
| 16:07.30 | dgp | runs unstable to avoid dealing with that stuff |
| 16:07.41 | hxmuller | lol |
| 16:08.46 | hxmuller | I will be picking your brains later on how to live sanely in unstable |
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| 16:09.48 | somiaj | hxmuller: gcc7 isn't in backports, so i'm not quite sure what the kernel team uses to backport the kernel. |
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| 16:10.55 | somiaj | hxmuller: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is a good place for living in the testing/unstable world. You will find more debian devs there, and some have some very sophisicated setup (to automatically pull in security fixes from unstable while running testing) |
| 16:11.00 | hxmuller | somiaj: I've built an unstable/testing root filesystem in a container, and am building 4.17 in it. unstable/testing has gcc-7 |
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| 16:11.15 | hxmuller | somiaj: thanks for that tip, writing it down |
| 16:11.24 | somiaj | nlsthzn: have you tried xrandr --list-providers or something like that? |
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| 16:11.55 | somiaj | hxmuller: It might be that the kernel package you build in testing is installable in stable, mostly the kernel depends are small. |
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| 16:17.38 | hxmuller | somiaj: I'll give that a shot and let everyone know if it works. However, I'm not opposed to unstable/testing. |
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| 16:18.41 | dgp | hxmuller: what do you intend to do with the system once it's working? |
| 16:19.23 | nlsthzn | somiaj: hi, the output https://pastebin.com/RAgmp2jg - |
| 16:19.24 | hxmuller | dgp: work, programming, gaming |
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| 16:19.53 | nlsthzn | the nvidia part seems ok but the second one doesn't seem to be the intel card |
| 16:20.15 | dgp | hxmuller: I think you might want testing. i.e. steam works properly in testing/unstable |
| 16:20.45 | dgp | hxmuller: And for programming you probably want new-ish versions of libraries, gcc etc and not versions from before you were born |
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| 16:24.38 | hxmuller | dgp: my old Dell Precision mobile workstation, is starting to show it's age. When Intel declined to provide Meltdown/Spectre fixes for it, I decided it's time to bring up a new system. |
| 16:26.18 | dgp | Workarounds are in the kernel aren't they? Almost everything is affected so I'm not too bother TBH |
| 16:27.04 | dgp | s/bother/bothered/ |
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| 16:27.26 | somiaj | nlsthzn: that modesetting provided 1 is your intelcard, intel cards prefer to use the modesetting driver to talk to the intel kms module |
| 16:27.50 | somiaj | in general this allows a generic modesetting driver that can talk to any kms driver for intel, radeon, etc |
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| 16:31.21 | nlsthzn | somiaj: ah ok... wonder why simply running xrandr only shows the monitor on nvidia - https://pastebin.com/8J3mANiA |
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| 16:36.52 | nlsthzn | lspci | grep VGA only shows nvidia |
| 16:36.57 | nlsthzn | https://pastebin.com/3N2k8NcB |
| 16:37.56 | somiaj | nlsthzn: because by default only the default card is used, you have to add the second provider to access it, man xrandr for more info |
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| 16:39.19 | somiaj | nlsthzn: could be the intel card dosn't have the string VGA attached to it |
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| 16:40.21 | nlsthzn | odd that in all other distro's I've run in the last 6 months it was detected and simply worked... thought if I had a new kernel etc. it should be simple |
| 16:40.44 | somiaj | it seems detected, it is just by default not turned on, either use xrandr or some desktop tool to turn it on |
| 16:41.07 | somiaj | often times messing with nvidia non-free can do this, maybe if the nouveau drivers were used it would be different |
| 16:41.23 | somiaj | but my experience is the second card isn't enabled by default (note it is also only recent RandR versions that support this) |
| 16:41.37 | somiaj | and by recent, I think jessie recent --- I get outdated fairly quickly these days |
| 16:41.50 | nlsthzn | with nouveau I can't even get nvidia working... doesn't play nice with latest cards |
| 16:41.51 | nlsthzn | adn |
| 16:41.57 | nlsthzn | and I am on stretch |
| 16:42.10 | somiaj | yea, I'm just pointing out that support for second cards is overall kinda new |
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| 16:42.28 | somiaj | though kind anew to me is in the last 5-7 years |
| 16:42.39 | somiaj | (I get outdated quickly, as I don't use any of these new fangled software) |
| 16:42.43 | nlsthzn | I know, a year ago I gave up trying to make it work... and then suddenly it just worked :p |
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| 16:44.14 | dgp | I had two cards working 10 years ago |
| 16:44.51 | ghormoon | how do i copy content from "gui clipboard" to "terminal clipboard"? usually I don't need to copy that much into terminal from browser so I don't care to paste it into url line and copy again, but now I need to bring big csv (copied by hotkey in vcenter) and shift+insert won't do that as it remembers last selected text in terminal :( |
| 16:44.57 | dgp | but it's a pain so now I just use an nvidia card with 2+ outputs |
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| 16:46.33 | nlsthzn | dgp my second monitor is old vga and the new cards can't handle it (or I would have) |
| 16:46.38 | nlsthzn | anyway thanks .... |
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| 16:46.42 | greycat | I don't know what vcenter is, but if it's like the "show anchors" firefox extension and puts it in the "wrong" clipboard (MS-windows or something), you need to find a terminal or program that can access that other clipboard :( |
| 16:46.57 | rozie | hi. can you remind me what is the right channel for Debian unstable support? |
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| 16:47.18 | greycat | rozie: it's on the other IRC network, OFTC. |
| 16:47.20 | rozie | have problems with xorg after last upgrade |
| 16:47.47 | rozie | greycat: that's fine. what is the name of the channel? |
| 16:47.55 | greycat | #debian-next |
| 16:48.06 | rozie | thx! :-) |
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| 16:49.27 | greycat | E.g. with show anchors, the "Copy" menu choice puts it in somewhere that I can paste in rxvt-unicode (urxvt) by holding ALT while pressing the middle mouse button. |
| 16:49.57 | annadane | rozie, on irc.oftc.net, not freenode |
| 16:50.05 | greycat | If I want to paste it somewhere other than urxvt, what I have to do is open a terminal, ALT-paste it to the terminal, re-highlight it in the terminal, and then normal-paste it to the other program/ |
| 16:50.14 | annadane | oh, greycat said that already |
| 16:50.16 | annadane | sorry |
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| 16:50.21 | ghormoon | ha, found how to do it with xsel, good enough |
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| 16:51.04 | somiaj | yea, the ctrl-c, ctrl-v paste is annoying too, it copies formatting as well as text... |
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| 16:58.37 | travisgriggs | `apt rdepends dbus` shows me all the packages that depend on dbus. Is there an easy way to winnow the list down to just all of the INSTALLED packages that depend on dbus? |
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| 17:00.26 | travisgriggs | nm: looked for 5 minutes in the wrong places before i asked here, then found ââinstalledâ as soon as i asked |
| 17:01.10 | farruinn | travisgriggs: you may also be interested in aptitude why |
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| 17:01.45 | ghormoon | btw can I do something like uniq -c but aggregating some columns in csv or I have to put it in real DB and do select group by on it? :) |
| 17:02.56 | greycat | ghormoon: if join(1) can't do it, then you either write it yourself or database it |
| 17:02.59 | travisgriggs | farruinn: thanks. i donât appear to have aptitude installed. this is a minimalistic buster running on a pi-like sbc |
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| 17:04.11 | travisgriggs | this all rolled out of the fact that systemd `recommends` dbus, but doesnât seem to require it. but⦠many of the tools supplied by systemd umbrella wonât work without systemd installed (e.g. timedatectl) |
| 17:04.28 | ghormoon | maybe hacking it aroung by for loop (for each "key", grep it from source, cut the column, paste -sd+ | bc, but it's kinda ... you know :) |
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| 17:18.47 | phct | hello |
| 17:18.48 | phct | i need to pack / compress / compact all folders that have MB ( megabytes) as size in a given directory, how do i accomplish this? |
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| 17:20.10 | ghormoon | flat structure or tree? |
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| 17:21.05 | ghormoon | i.e. if parent contains multiple candidates, pack them separately or together? if some of them do exceed the limit and some not, do pack the parent? |
| 17:21.32 | Brigo | phct, find is the only way i can think of. |
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| 17:22.15 | ghormoon | yeah, some find-exec maic would do, but might not be trivial based on the exact requirement |
| 17:22.44 | jhutchins_wk | phct: I don't think Linux filesystems have that capability. |
| 17:22.58 | phct | Brigo: thanks |
| 17:23.01 | phct | which parameter ? |
| 17:23.18 | Brigo | size |
| 17:23.25 | phct | ghormoon: dont understand much what u mean |
| 17:23.45 | phct | just pack all files from ls output that match MB as size |
| 17:23.52 | Brigo | ghormoon, right, i didn't say it would be easy :) |
| 17:23.57 | phct | tar does not have that feature ? |
| 17:24.06 | ghormoon | phct: just files? that's easier |
| 17:24.11 | ghormoon | in one folder only? |
| 17:24.40 | Brigo | that's easier even with find |
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| 17:25.03 | greycat | oh god, phct came HERE!? |
| 17:25.09 | phct | yes inside one folder |
| 17:25.15 | phct | pack all folders that match Mb |
| 17:25.23 | ghormoon | yeah find /source/folder -size +30M -exec gzip {} \; |
| 17:25.29 | phct | well |
| 17:25.33 | phct | why 30M ? |
| 17:25.39 | ghormoon | just wild guess |
| 17:25.42 | phct | i want to pack all that have MG |
| 17:25.44 | ghormoon | set the limit as you want |
| 17:25.48 | ghormoon | then !M |
| 17:25.49 | ghormoon | 1M |
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| 17:26.07 | ghormoon | just don't run this on / :D |
| 17:26.17 | phct | and it will not pack the ones that have GB ? |
| 17:26.22 | ghormoon | will |
| 17:26.27 | ghormoon | all bigger than 1MB |
| 17:26.35 | ghormoon | if you do +1M |
| 17:27.01 | greycat | ghormoon: warning: he stormed out of #bash after we asked him to explain what he wanted and he couldn't manage to do so |
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| 17:27.14 | ghormoon | maybe you can combine with size -1G if you wanted to filter them out maybe |
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| 17:28.02 | phct | ghormoon: and how do i count total size of all folders that have MB ? |
| 17:28.16 | phct | to see total size is high |
| 17:28.21 | phct | or not |
| 17:28.33 | ghormoon | just scrolled it through. so you really want it on folders, not files, right? |
| 17:28.46 | phct | folders yes |
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| 17:28.56 | phct | inside these folders there is more folders and files |
| 17:29.08 | ghormoon | do the folders have flat stucture? i.e. you search in onna parent end have eg. /parent/a, /parent/b, /parent/c but not /parent/d/e ? |
| 17:29.09 | tw | he's been contradictory on what he wants done. |
| 17:29.22 | phct | but for now want to see what is total size of those MB folders to see if i can zip/tar or not |
| 17:29.30 | ghormoon | ok if structured, if e extends over 1 MB, do you pack d or e? |
| 17:29.36 | ghormoon | because d extends it too, then |
| 17:29.50 | phct | pack d and e |
| 17:29.56 | phct | all folders and subfolders |
| 17:30.12 | phct | like |
| 17:30.20 | ghormoon | but do you first pack e and then check if d is under 1 mb or just right away pack it at the d? |
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| 17:30.38 | phct | i dont understand |
| 17:30.40 | phct | sorry |
| 17:30.53 | phct | i think i said it clearly |
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| 17:31.26 | phct | inside folder1 there is folder2, folder3 etc and i want to pack all folders and subfolders and files inside folder1 |
| 17:31.30 | ghormoon | the point is, of e is over the limit, do you want d to contain packed e.tar.gz, then again check if d fits or not and pack it again ( so you'll have tzr.gz in tar.gz) or just pack it right away on d and have d.tar.gz? |
| 17:31.32 | phct | does not matter if is folder or file |
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| 17:31.51 | phct | ill give up |
| 17:31.53 | phct | nvm |
| 17:31.58 | tw | but only if the folder is bigger than 1MB? |
| 17:32.04 | phct | no |
| 17:32.06 | greycat | tw: wait, it gets better |
| 17:32.13 | phct | only the folders that match MB as size |
| 17:32.25 | ghormoon | this is some of the first courses in university or somehing like that, riht? :) |
| 17:32.28 | hxmuller | I forgot how much fun it is to watch a kernel compile |
| 17:32.29 | phct | do not matter if its 1MB or 2MB or 10MB or 100MB, but 1G and 1KB NO! |
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| 17:32.53 | ghormoon | I'll setup a paste with example, gimme a minute |
| 17:32.59 | greycat | 13:07 phct> for example, if i do "ls" it list all directories, but when i do "du -sh *" it show size and i want to tar/zip all folders that have MB as size not GB or KB |
| 17:33.02 | greycat | from #bash |
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| 17:34.07 | tw | What's the point of that? Is this a backup? |
| 17:34.07 | jhutchins_wk | Actually, it appears the btrfs has on-the-fly encryption. |
| 17:34.20 | phct | does it matter ? |
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| 17:34.49 | tw | Yes, because there's probably a way better way to do this that doesn't involve a 7 stage pipeline to filter out duplicates. |
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| 17:39.07 | ghormoon | phct: https://pastebin.com/JFPhCPcG |
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| 17:39.30 | ghormoon | check if one of those behaviours is what you want |
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| 17:40.43 | Camusensei | inb4 "wait, it's it's 0.4MB it can still be expressed in MB so I want it packed" :p |
| 17:40.59 | Camusensei | s/it's/if |
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| 17:43.37 | ghormoon | then pack it all :D |
| 17:43.41 | ghormoon | easy :D |
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| 17:43.57 | ghormoon | because 1025MB can be written in MB too :D |
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| 17:44.44 | Camusensei | ghormoon: it was supposed to be a joke. but tbh, I think he wants result 1 but without packing b.log cause it's not a folder |
| 17:45.24 | ghormoon | I know :) at some point he said no matter if it's file or folder so I'm not sure if he want's to pack b.log tbh, |
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| 17:46.27 | ghormoon | i think he'll want it flat (as the recursive way would be more complicated, but we had tasks like that in uni, so idk) |
| 17:47.10 | Camusensei | I expect him to give it up after calling us all morons, just like he did in #bash :) |
| 17:47.44 | ghormoon | i don't mind being a moron, it's like honorary title on the internet :P |
| 17:48.57 | greycat | your nick is *almost* "gho moron" :) |
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| 17:49.47 | ghormoon | :)) |
| 17:50.22 | ghormoon | who (is the) moron? gho (is the) moron :D |
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| 17:54.21 | ghormoon | i think he quietly left :D |
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| 17:56.04 | jhutchins_wk | I wonder if he's expecting something like the on-the-fly compression that was around for Windows in the 90's? |
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| 17:56.53 | greycat | At this point the only thing I'm sure of is that he will never be able to explain to anyone what he actually wants, because *he* doesn't know, because he is utterly ignorant of the most basic concepts. |
| 17:57.22 | ghormoon | jhutchins_wk: zfs :D |
| 17:57.31 | tw | Is there a (local) tool that will try to send an email to a fixed address via esmtp, then check that inbox (maildir) to make sure it was delivered? Bonus points if it does some log extraction of the transaction and tls certificate validation. |
| 17:57.57 | ghormoon | greycat: sounds like 1st semester student who didn't invest much time in the beining and got lost tbh |
| 17:58.11 | greycat | tw: There is no way to know the contents of a remote system's mailboxes. |
| 17:58.23 | tw | greycat: I only need a local system test. |
| 17:58.24 | ghormoon | ssh to it :P |
| 17:58.31 | Camusensei | ghormoon: haha |
| 17:58.39 | ghormoon | you'll need to script this, but it won't be that difficult |
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| 17:59.11 | greycat | You'd need read access on the user's inbox. You'd need to know what format the inbox is using. |
| 17:59.12 | Camusensei | tw is this some kind of convoluted way of checking if a user still has some disk quota left? xD |
| 17:59.53 | greycat | and why on EARTH is "esmtp" involved for local delivery? |
| 17:59.57 | tw | Camusensei: no, it's to test whether I blew up some critical mail config for specific domains. |
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| 18:00.20 | ghormoon | most propably because he uses it for public delivery too |
| 18:00.53 | greycat | If this is just a test of whether shit's working, I propose that you run the test and the verification by hand. grep may help you. |
| 18:02.02 | ghormoon | if I undertand corrctly he want's to run the test after every config chane, therefore script it |
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| 18:02.25 | tw | That's correct. I'm guessing this is not a common idea. |
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| 18:02.50 | greycat | Making config changes to an email system frequently enough that you think you need a scripted test? No, not common at all. |
| 18:03.00 | ghormoon | well ,you won't have a one command to do it, but it won't be that difficult, send a mail, check the maildir, grep the logs, ... |
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| 18:03.26 | ghormoon | hides as he still adds aliases/users manually in the config files :D |
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| 18:04.14 | tw | greycat: it's a lot easier to push a button to validate your work. Or in this case, junior sysadmins. |
| 18:04.50 | tw | I'll cook something up, thanks folks. |
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| 18:05.33 | n0ise | Hello do we have a way to listen to Firefox without pulse? |
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| 18:05.56 | greycat | Use a sufficiently old firefox, or use google-chrome instead. |
| 18:06.18 | n0ise | I'm not ready to sell my soul to google though :c |
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| 18:06.45 | greycat | Firefox sure has been trying *really hard* to lose its users lately. |
| 18:06.50 | ghormoon | the new firefox dropped alsa spport or what? (I don't use it for years, seamonkey ftw :D) |
| 18:06.57 | greycat | Yes, it did. |
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| 18:07.18 | n0ise | Isn't SeaMonkey just rebranded Firefox? Like ice at? |
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| 18:07.25 | NetTerminalGene | just install pulse. it is in good shape |
| 18:07.25 | ghormoon | sort of, but still on gecko |
| 18:07.39 | ghormoon | so maybe it would work, but I have pulse so I don't check |
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| 18:08.07 | DammitJim | if I want to change the IP address of a server, I think I just need to change the IP on /etc/network/interfaces and probably /etc/hosts |
| 18:08.07 | n0ise | I guess I can install pulse, I have just always heard bad things |
| 18:08.13 | DammitJim | what do I need to run after I do that? |
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| 18:08.25 | DammitJim | n0ise, I have pulse... it actually works for the most part |
| 18:08.26 | ghormoon | also not packing that much unneeded things like new firefoxes did. everybody was saying how seamonkey is overkill big and now it's half size of firefox. half size of thunderbird. but has both functionality |
| 18:08.28 | greycat | DammitJim: ifdown IFACENAME; sleep 1; ifup IFACENAME |
| 18:08.38 | DammitJim | don't tinker with it too much... it'll probably do what you need it to do |
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| 18:08.50 | DammitJim | greycat, that's it? awesome... sounds simple enough |
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| 18:09.00 | DammitJim | so, like: ifdown eth0; sleep1; ifup eth0 |
| 18:09.01 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 18:09.13 | ghormoon | most annoyng thing on pulse is lowering volume of music when skype beeps. possible to turn off though |
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| 18:09.34 | DammitJim | yeah, I'm not that advanced ghormoon lol |
| 18:09.43 | n0ise | Skype ew I'm sorry |
| 18:10.29 | ghormoon | need it in work, but if it was only skype. some teams use skype, some skype4business (i just ignore those for now), some jabber, some slack, ... and as sysadmin I need to talk with all :( |
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| 18:18.12 | NetTerminalGene | why doesn2t debian have gnome-shell memory leak? |
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| 18:20.49 | ghormoon | you want it? :) |
| 18:21.03 | NetTerminalGene | no |
| 18:21.10 | NetTerminalGene | just wondered |
| 18:21.22 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: should it have one? |
| 18:21.30 | NetTerminalGene | sure |
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| 18:22.29 | ghormoon | maybe http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/g/gnome-shell/gnome-shell_3.22.3-3_changelog -- this in 3.20.3-1: Patch from gnome-3-20 branch to fix memory leak when changing background ? |
| 18:22.43 | n0ise | Question, how do I find out which package provides netstat? |
| 18:23.15 | ghormoon | apt-file search |
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| 18:23.43 | greycat | or if you're in IRC, /msg judd file bin/netstat |
| 18:24.04 | greycat | or do a search on http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 18:24.27 | n0ise | nea |
| 18:24.30 | n0ise | T |
| 18:24.50 | NetTerminalGene | my debian has no apt-file command |
| 18:25.05 | greycat | It's an optional package that I would not expect anyone to have. |
| 18:25.09 | ghormoon | apt-get install apt-file :) |
| 18:25.26 | ghormoon | I usually install it on desktop |
| 18:25.33 | ghormoon | but yeah, usually not on server |
| 18:25.36 | ghormoon | just search it locally |
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| 18:27.01 | annadane | basically if something says command not found it's either not installed or you need to be root to use it |
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| 18:30.04 | greycat | There are some commands that you don't actually need to be root to use, but which are nevertheless "hidden" in the /sbin or /usr/sbin directory. |
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| 18:37.51 | annadane | oh, okay ^ |
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| 18:51.17 | socket- | Hey all, is there a good way to comapre debian package versions. I want to be able to do something like if libncurses5-5.9+20140913-1+deb8u1 >= libncurses5-5.9+20140913-1+b1 ; then echo blah ; fi right now I'm just applying a regexp [^0-9.]+ and then comparing, but I'm not sure this is the best way |
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| 18:51.34 | greycat | socket-: dpkg has a --compare-versions option |
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| 18:52.09 | socket- | Ohh! i didn't see that, thanks ill check that out. |
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| 19:18.55 | lolcat4000 | Hello good people of #debian. How do I change the passphrase of an encrypted hard disk? I have root access, but I don't have the current password to decrypt the drive once I reboot the machine. Is it possible to change a passphrase, and where would I start? TIA. |
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| 19:19.51 | annadane | i suspect you're SOL if it's encrypted and you forgot/don't know the password |
| 19:20.15 | greycat | that's kinda the whole point, right? |
| 19:20.20 | annadane | kinda |
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| 19:20.24 | jhutchins_wk | lolcat4000: The encryption system is explicitly designed to prevent that. It might be hackable, but it wouldn't be easy. |
| 19:20.45 | jhutchins_wk | ...as greycat says. |
| 19:20.50 | lolcat4000 | The machine is online. I have root access. |
| 19:21.07 | annadane | root won't matter if it's encrypted |
| 19:21.12 | greycat | Back up the data. |
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| 19:21.32 | greycat | NOW, before it reboots and you're locked out forever. |
| 19:21.39 | lolcat4000 | There is no way to change a passphrase? |
| 19:22.21 | tomnor | Have some speakers with a 3.5 plug, it goes silent after some 10 minutes, is that a problem with the speakers themself? |
| 19:22.27 | michael2 | hi all. when I try to associate my wifi adapter to an AP with `iwconfig wlp3s0 essid <ssid>' and the authentication request just times out - any ideas what I can try from there? |
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| 19:24.47 | annadane | i mean first of all i guess it'd depend on the hard disk but i mean... if you don't know the original password, how can you possibly change the password |
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| 19:25.14 | annadane | this isn't an online "i forgot my password, here's my date of birth, favorite animal, and mother's maiden name" |
| 19:25.18 | annadane | ...service |
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| 19:27.41 | seffyroff | Hi folks! I'm working on a debian installer preseed script, and am wrestling a little with partman-auto-lvm syntax. It may be that waht I want to do isn't possible with partman-auto however. Basically I want to setup my regular system partitions (to keep it simple, just / and swap) but leave a bunch of free space after those volumes on the single physical disk I'm targetting |
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| 19:28.41 | seffyroff | what actually seems to happen is the lvm vg fills the physical disk, then the logical volumes are defined correctly |
| 19:29.07 | annadane | and you haven't told us how you even encrypted it, or even if it was with a debian tool |
| 19:29.17 | annadane | (not you, seffyroff) |
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| 19:29.43 | jhutchins_wk | lolcat4000: Yes you can change the passphrase - if you have the current passphrase. Otherewise there'd be no point in encrypting it if root could access it. |
| 19:30.17 | lolcat4000 | jhutchins_wk: I understand. Thanks a lot, folks. |
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| 20:05.22 | halt | Hi All, is there a way to setup an ifup script, so that if I connect to an untrusted WiFi network, then VPN is dialed in ? |
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| 20:09.01 | annadane | i guess you first have to qualify "untrusted" |
| 20:09.10 | annadane | but i don't know anything about it sadly |
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| 20:10.05 | halt | well not on my list, but even if it's per network I have to setup , that works as well |
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| 20:13.42 | [DragOn] | pass |
| 20:13.59 | [DragOn] | my god... |
| 20:14.45 | BenNZ | halt: you could do it based on the essid of the wifi name , so if those on your list connect this way else connect that way |
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| 20:19.37 | socket- | I am using anchore-cli to scan debain containers, and it generated a report with Package info like: "libc-bin-2.19-18+deb8u10", I am trying to figure out how to split the pkgbase, from the pkgversion. I thought i could use something like "(?P<base>.*?)-(?P<version>[0-9]+.*)" , but it fails on stuff like "openjdk-7-jre-headless-7u131-2.6.9-2~deb8u1". Are there any regex patterns to identify base vs |
| 20:19.43 | socket- | version when looking at a debian package. |
| 20:20.20 | greycat | The tool is fundamentally flawed. It is not using a sane delimiter between the pkg name and the version. |
| 20:20.23 | greycat | Fix it. |
| 20:20.55 | greycat | Make it use _ or # or / or anything that cannot appear in a package name. |
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| 20:22.59 | socket- | gotcha, ok so i guess anchore-cli is using - as the delimiter between the pkgname and the version, and I should make a merge request to change it to something like _ |
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| 20:34.13 | jhutchins_wk | socket-: Excellent idea. |
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| 20:43.58 | hxmuller | dpkg-deb: building package 'linux-image-4.17.0-rc7' ... whew |
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| 20:45.08 | kale | celestia is in jessie, how would i install it in stretch? |
| 20:45.40 | greycat | add a jessie source, apt-get update |
| 20:45.47 | greycat | ,v celestia |
| 20:45.48 | judd | Package: celestia on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.1+dfsg-2; jessie: 1.6.1+dfsg-3.1 |
| 20:46.01 | dgp | hxmuller: but will it boot? and if it does boot will it actually resolve the original issue? ;) |
| 20:48.49 | greycat | only one way to find out |
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| 20:54.09 | hxmuller | dgp: soon to find out! |
| 20:55.37 | jhutchins_wk | hxmuller: Kernel build is the kind of task that's good for providing a practical benchmark of a system. |
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| 20:56.19 | hxmuller | lol, the benchmark says my old dell precision mobile workstation isn't cutting it anymore |
| 20:57.39 | hxmuller | it took almost 3 hours to compile and make the package. keep in mind I used the standard debian config file, I could have chopped a lot out. |
| 20:58.13 | jhutchins_wk | These days you can buy so much power we forget 3-6 hour compile times. |
| 20:58.26 | jhutchins_wk | hxmuller: 3 isn't that bad for a basic desktop. |
| 20:59.05 | hxmuller | it's an old laptop, dell precision m2400 (mobile workstation back in the day) |
| 20:59.20 | hxmuller | it still gets stuff done |
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| 20:59.58 | kale | greycat: thanks |
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| 21:01.04 | dgp | hxmuller: Downloading the kernel source and compiling it used to a weekend job for me :) |
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| 21:02.54 | hxmuller | dgp: lol, yeah. I did Linux From Scratch a long time ago. It was always nice when a long compile did not bomb |
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| 21:09.10 | annadane | do you guys know a way other then df -h to see disk partition space usage? |
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| 21:11.22 | greycat | df without -h? |
| 21:11.50 | hypn0 | lsblk ? |
| 21:12.00 | annadane | yeah and i mean there's any number of GUI programs |
| 21:12.10 | annadane | not my question, just asking on behalf of someone else |
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| 21:16.35 | mnuhmnuh | fdisk, parted. |
| 21:18.00 | greycat | none of those show file system fullness as far as I know |
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| 21:37.40 | karlpinc | annadane: tune2fs for the ext family of fss. I imagine there are others for other fs types. |
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| 21:37.53 | karlpinc | annadane: tune2fs -l |
| 21:38.24 | n0ise | Anyone here useroot on zfs? |
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| 21:40.41 | karlpinc | n0ise: Ask the question for which you really want an answer. |
| 21:41.28 | n0ise | Fair enough |
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| 21:41.59 | n0ise | Just wondering if it stable, and if I have to do a reinstall or if I can partition and copy things over. |
| 21:44.10 | karlpinc | I don't know if it is stable. You should be able to partition create fs and copy. If you're going to remove a drive or something you may also need to run grub-install. |
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| 21:45.17 | karlpinc | n0ise: The /usr/share/doc/README.Debian(.gz) may be helpful. |
| 21:45.41 | n0ise | Ok thanks |
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| 22:20.08 | hxmuller | good news, able to boot into shell with 4.17 on Ryzen 3 2200g |
| 22:20.55 | annadane | \o/ |
| 22:21.29 | hxmuller | looks like I have to figure out how to have make-kpkg create the initrd along with the image. |
| 22:22.04 | hxmuller | because the initrd I manually created is junk |
| 22:22.50 | hxmuller | no screen corruption, woot! |
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| 22:23.54 | dorin_ro | hey |
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| 22:24.22 | hxmuller | hay |
| 22:24.27 | annadane | hoy |
| 22:24.29 | dorin_ro | is there an alternative to easystroke ? |
| 22:24.41 | annadane | living a stress free life? |
| 22:25.10 | annadane | not answering questions in #bash? |
| 22:25.14 | annadane | (sorry) |
| 22:25.35 | dorin_ro | I need a gesture-recognition application. What do you recomand me ? |
| 22:25.40 | hxmuller | lol |
| 22:26.07 | annadane | i think... xdotool can do it? |
| 22:26.11 | annadane | not sure |
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| 22:27.20 | hxmuller | linux gesture stuff: https://askubuntu.com/questions/51787/alternative-to-easystroke-mouse-gesture-recognition-software |
| 22:27.30 | hxmuller | thanks google |
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| 22:29.12 | dorin_ro | ty, but i havent found any of them on debian repository, the eazystroke gives me a build error |
| 22:29.49 | annadane | ,v xdotool |
| 22:29.50 | judd | Package: xdotool on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.20100701.2961-3+deb7u3; jessie: 1:3.20140805.1-2; buster: 1:3.20160805.1-3; sid: 1:3.20160805.1-3; stretch: 1:3.20160805.1-3 |
| 22:29.55 | annadane | it's available in stretch |
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| 22:31.17 | dorin_ro | ty, i will give xdotool a try |
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| 22:38.29 | michael2 | does anyone know what the "key board layout dialogue of the installer is about"? example: |
| 22:38.34 | michael2 | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.installation-steps.en.html#sect.install-keyboard |
| 22:39.35 | michael2 | I only speak english - so I dont really understand how other languages work |
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| 22:40.18 | annadane | it just means map the keyboard to other keyboard types, i assume there are different standards for languages based on the QWERTY keyboard |
| 22:40.23 | annadane | (this is a guess, though) |
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| 22:41.17 | annadane | and i think it sets the keyboard layout in general, not just the installer |
| 22:41.25 | sandungas | yep |
| 22:41.39 | sandungas | is incase you have a special kayboard layout for a non-englih language |
| 22:41.44 | annadane | i don't actually know how it works if you have DVORAK or some other really obscure thing |
| 22:41.48 | hxmuller | michael2: what annadane said. the Brits keyboards are different than the Yanks. |
| 22:42.05 | sandungas | and all other countries XD |
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| 22:43.22 | michael2 | so you mean like if I choose the "french" layout and press the "A" key on my keyboard the "french keyboard layout" will rewrite that and send a if I download from a different machine and |
| 22:43.23 | michael2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.36 | sandungas | there are variations of the querty keyboard btw |
| 22:43.46 | michael2 | gah, sorry copy paste mistake |
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| 22:44.09 | sandungas | im writing now from a spanish qwerty keyboard, most keys are located like in english, but i have a couple weird ones |
| 22:44.14 | sandungas | à and à mostly XD |
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| 22:46.16 | annadane | and yet i still don't know how to run i3 because i want to set some other meta key other than the windows key because it's way on the other side of the arrow keys so i can't switch programs with one hand |
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| 22:49.17 | michael2 | sandungas: so by choosing the "spanish keyboard layout" that means when you press certain physical keys on your keyboard the "spanish keyboard layout" remaps those physical keypresses to produces different logical (binary) character sequences - e.g. say as viewed by hexedit ? |
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| 22:50.07 | sandungas | well is not a remap, is loaded like that |
| 22:50.23 | sandungas | is like the specs of the keyboard |
| 22:50.24 | michael2 | so its at a hardware level? |
| 22:50.32 | sandungas | and most keys matches with the standards |
| 22:50.36 | sandungas | yes |
| 22:50.53 | sandungas | the keys that changes across the keyboard types are mostly the special ones |
| 22:50.57 | hxmuller | ok, next step in the Ryzen 3 2200g project is to get Debian installed onto the system. I have currently created a USB which boots on the system, any pointers to installing from USB to the system? |
| 22:51.01 | sandungas | for ALT+stuff |
| 22:51.23 | sandungas | also.. the ones ear "return" key |
| 22:51.45 | annadane | hxmuller, the general way is cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX where sdX is your device, and then sync |
| 22:52.00 | annadane | oh, unless you mean debian is already on the USB |
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| 22:52.17 | hxmuller | annadane: cool, Debian is installed on the USB, but I get your drift |
| 22:52.37 | sandungas | 2400g love :) |
| 22:52.39 | hxmuller | basically an rsync to the system's harddrive |
| 22:52.41 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 22:52.44 | michael2 | sandungas: so its like say intel make some USB XYZ123 model keyboard that you "plug and play" - the available keyboard layouts will be limited to whatever that XYZ123 model supports? |
| 22:52.44 | sandungas | i liked that toys |
| 22:53.28 | sandungas | is like a requirement for language support |
| 22:53.47 | sandungas | lets say... at some point there was a need to invent a standarization for key layouts |
| 22:53.55 | sandungas | and every language needs different keys |
| 22:54.12 | annadane | if you're chinese, you most assuredly want a chinese keyboard |
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| 22:54.56 | sandungas | yep, even changes the character map |
| 22:54.58 | michael2 | you mean there was a "need" to tap into the profit potential to sell keyboards to the hundreds of millions of spanish speaking people inthe world? |
| 22:55.04 | sandungas | cirylic for russian |
| 22:55.24 | hxmuller | annadane: I had to create a root filesystem using cdebootstrap on the USB, the installer doesn't work (corrupts video), then I compiled the kernel and installed it |
| 22:55.31 | annadane | though now i wonder whether the installer comes in as many languages as there are keyboard layouts |
| 22:55.35 | hxmuller | I don't see where the install manual covers that case |
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| 22:56.10 | annadane | ah, alrighty. sorry, wasn't clear from context, or i may be dumb, entirely possible |
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| 22:56.40 | michael2 | but sometimes chinese people have to use the same keyboards as the rest of us. so its the keyboards software/firmware that generate the keys. oh well whatever... Im going to forget this and continue with my install :) |
| 22:57.17 | sandungas | michael2 without that standards for keyboards... every keyboard manufacture should publish some kind of "driver" or profile file for supportuing whatever stuff they manufacturers |
| 22:57.33 | hxmuller | annadane: no worries, I think the rsync will work. rebuilding the root filesystem and recompiling the kernel WITH an initrd this time. will get results tomorrow. |
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| 22:57.45 | annadane | rsync probably will work, yeah |
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| 23:04.13 | michael2 | is there any way for me to list what keyboard layout I currently have selected? |
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| 23:05.29 | sandungas | while installing ? |
| 23:05.35 | sandungas | you can step back iirc |
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| 23:06.24 | michael2 | Ive had to run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-layout" |
| 23:06.44 | hxmuller | michael2: $ cat /etc/default/keyboard |
| 23:06.44 | michael2 | and choose diferent layouts all of which are not working |
| 23:06.59 | hxmuller | that will tell you what' is currently in use |
| 23:07.19 | michael2 | hxmuller: worked perfectly thanks |
| 23:07.40 | hxmuller | \o/ |
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| 23:07.57 | michael2 | woo :) |
| 23:08.14 | sandungas | best test is to open a text document, and start typing |
| 23:08.22 | sandungas | verify the special keys :) |
| 23:08.24 | hxmuller | lol |
| 23:08.27 | sandungas | alt+something |
| 23:08.40 | annadane | if "hail satan" comes out, consider replacing the keyboard |
| 23:08.41 | michael2 | then open with hexedit? |
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| 23:08.52 | rihan_ | Hi debian |
| 23:09.18 | rihan_ | I am running debian testing, x64 system, thinkpad t440 |
| 23:09.35 | hxmuller | nice |
| 23:09.40 | rihan_ | I am facing unicode support for google-chrome and firefox |
| 23:10.34 | rihan_ | Unicode fonts are rendered as square blocks in google chrome and firefox. Is it something to do with /etc/fonts ? |
| 23:10.41 | annadane | the channel for testing/sid is #debian-next on the oftc network (irc.oftc.net), they might be able to help you better |
| 23:10.58 | rihan_ | ok |
| 23:11.01 | rihan_ | thanks |
| 23:11.04 | annadane | though that sounds general enough to perhaps also be answered here |
| 23:11.04 | michael2 | debian testing is the sort of stable archive right? and "unstable" is the dangerously unstable - is that right? |
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| 23:11.38 | annadane | it's... not really dangerously unstable, if you know how to use it |
| 23:11.53 | rihan_ | michael2: I have installed google-chrome-stable from google official website on debian testing. But its not specific to browser |
| 23:12.02 | rihan_ | even the same issue is with firefox |
| 23:12.22 | annadane | "unstable" itself refers to the frequency of package changes, not "likely to break" |
| 23:12.27 | rihan_ | Both browsers are unable to render unicode fonts. Square blocks appear |
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| 23:12.48 | michael2 | annadane: ok well unstable is _more_ dangerously unstable than testing - shall we say? |
| 23:13.03 | rihan_ | where can I get real help folks ? |
| 23:13.08 | hxmuller | is there a difference between testing and unstable? i thought they were the same |
| 23:13.13 | annadane | in general yes testing can catch some of the more dramatic explosions |
| 23:13.48 | annadane | hxmuller, https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
| 23:13.52 | michael2 | rihan_: you need to have the corresponding fonts which have mappings for the code points the webpages are trying to show |
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| 23:14.11 | hxmuller | 404 not found |
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| 23:15.14 | annadane | well, basically, package from unstable get moved to testing within 2-10 days if there aren't critical bugs and it builds on all architectures and has satisfiable dependencies |
| 23:15.16 | sandungas | lol@ dramatic explosions |
| 23:15.31 | annadane | 2 for security, but nominally about 10 days for regular packages, AFAIK |
| 23:15.35 | annadane | i don't really use testing |
| 23:16.06 | rihan_ | michael2: Why it doesnt work out of box in testing ? |
| 23:16.55 | sandungas | rihan_, have you changed the user fonts, and which language you use ? |
| 23:17.00 | michael2 | I dont know - I was just explaining what you need to have in place for it to work |
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| 23:18.30 | sandungas | incase of doubt use the google "noto" font |
| 23:19.00 | sandungas | the name noto means "no tofu"... is designed to not display any of that weird missiang character "squares" |
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| 23:19.15 | michael2 | sandungas: they will have to run: fc-cache after they add the "noto" font too right? |
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| 23:19.54 | sandungas | not sure, in my actual debian installation with mate desktop it looks are installed |
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| 23:20.38 | michael2 | oh, ok so how do you use the "noto" font do you need to select it from browser preferences? |
| 23:21.25 | hxmuller | annadane: why does testing have a cross-dependency problem and unstable not (it wasn't identified as an issue for unstable) |
| 23:21.51 | annadane | i'm unclear as to what cross dependency means in this context |
| 23:22.33 | hxmuller | yes, it's unclear to me why that wouldn't be a problem for unstable too |
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| 23:22.50 | annadane | i mean i don't understand what the term means |
| 23:23.21 | rihan_ | sandungas: here is the link when I launch google-chrome from terminal https://www.pastiebin.com/5b19be3292f48 |
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| 23:24.01 | annadane | hxmuller, anyway, the people in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net may be able to elucidate further |
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| 23:24.06 | annadane | it's maybe a bit off topic for #debian |
| 23:24.19 | rihan_ | sandungas: No I havent changed the user fonts |
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| 23:24.21 | hxmuller | indeed, I will be spending time there for sure |
| 23:26.26 | sandungas | uhhh, lot of warnings and errors relate with fonts rihan_ sorry but i cant help, im just a rookie |
| 23:26.43 | rihan_ | sandungas: the same issue occurs with firefox. Both major browsers are rendering unicode fonts like chinese, hindi, marathi |
| 23:27.04 | rihan_ | no worries |
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| 23:33.37 | annadane | copying the .mozilla folder also copies the bookmarks, right? i'm 99% sure the answer's yes but want to be sure |
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| 23:35.14 | rihan_ | ok guys |
| 23:35.43 | rihan_ | I want to know how to reconfigure fontconfig safely. My system debian-testing x64. |
| 23:36.05 | rihan_ | I want to try solving the unicode rendering with fontconfig |
| 23:36.09 | michael2 | annadane: for firefox? |
| 23:36.15 | annadane | yes |
| 23:36.16 | rihan_ | Here is the link https://www.pastiebin.com/5b19be3292f48 |
| 23:36.45 | michael2 | annadane: I think the folder you want is the "profiles" it will be a folder that looks something like: |
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| 23:37.41 | michael2 | /home/annadane/.mozilla/firefox/k1kg2grw.default |
| 23:38.18 | annadane | well, i have .mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini |
| 23:38.29 | annadane | oh and the .default |
| 23:38.33 | annadane | yeah so that's in that |
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| 23:38.37 | annadane | so i can just copy .mozilla |
| 23:38.55 | michael2 | well mozillas the whole enchilada |
| 23:39.03 | annadane | yeah, which is fine |
| 23:39.19 | michael2 | but you want to be able to re-use those bookmarks I take it? |
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| 23:39.53 | annadane | er... yes, i suppose so |
| 23:40.09 | michael2 | the way I know how to achieve that is to load the profile back into firefox |
| 23:40.18 | srruby | I'm on buster and gnome-terminal still doesn't work |
| 23:40.29 | annadane | actually i'm fairly sure i just copy the .mozilla and all the bookmarks come back |
| 23:40.42 | annadane | srruby, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:41.24 | srruby | gnome-terminal didn't work on stretch either |
| 23:42.18 | michael2 | annadane: well if it works then thats ok, but you are really taking more than is necessary - its like installing gnome-desktop to get gnome-calculator |
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| 23:42.58 | annadane | point taken though, thnaks |
| 23:43.00 | annadane | thanks* |
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| 23:43.47 | sandungas | im imagining other way, not sure if it will work though |
| 23:44.06 | sandungas | you can go to bookmarks in firefox... then "show all bookmarks"... and "backup" them |
| 23:44.19 | sandungas | ...then uninstall firefox.... and install it again |
| 23:44.31 | sandungas | ...and load the backuped bookmarks |
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| 23:51.42 | michael2 | sandungas: would that wipe all the data? e.g. cache, history, open tabs etc? Im guessing not ? |
| 23:52.04 | michael2 | apt likes to leave that stuff on the system usually |
| 23:52.04 | apt | ACTION runs and gives to leave that stuff on the system usually a big bear-hug. |
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| 23:52.54 | sandungas | not sure because never tryed it in debian, but in windows that resets all settings |
| 23:53.10 | sandungas | is like a fresh firefox install |
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| 23:55.26 | annadane | "it works in windows" |
| 23:55.32 | annadane | shrug |