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| 00:06.03 | awal1 | sometimes I have no time for check closely upgrades details . how can I make apt/aptitude assume YES except when there is a removal? |
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| 00:08.16 | ryouma | don't use the dist-upgrade or whatever, and use the assume yes option, i ... think? |
| 00:12.05 | awal1 | ryouma, I was refering to dist/full-upgrade |
| 00:12.35 | ryouma | oic you want prompt if removal else go ahead |
| 00:12.55 | ryouma | dunno |
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| 00:14.29 | RoyK | awal1: unattended upgrades can be configured to do this |
| 00:14.33 | RoyK | it's not hard |
| 00:14.48 | awal1 | my question is contradictory, I was just wondering |
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| 00:20.41 | awal1 | what I heard here about unattended'upgrades is the opposite ; it just automates upgrades without a phisical intervention, and not recommended bcoz it removes automatically also |
| 00:20.48 | awal1 | I wil check docs closely |
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| 00:41.12 | ghormoon | hi, any idea how to debug suspend issues? I have thinkpad T470s and sometimes when it's suspended (i think only if suspended automatically by systemd, though), it starts rapidly blinking porer button (normally suspended it blinks slowly) and is not possible to wake up, needs to be hold until total poweroff. in journal, last messages are saying that systemd is taking idle action and syspending it and looks normal :( |
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| 00:50.03 | petn-randall | ghormoon: rapid blinking IIRC means the firmware has hit an error. I'd check the handbook. |
| 00:51.06 | Akuw | i am trying to install debian 5.0 |
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| 00:52.01 | Akuw | but all repos are of-line |
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| 00:56.50 | pennTeller | Hi guys, I am learning how to compile a Linux kernel but am getting this error message: scripts/mod/empty.c:1:0: error: code model kernel does not support PIC mode |
| 00:57.16 | pennTeller | I've looked online but haven't found a clear solution to the problem so I come to request a bit of your wisdom |
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| 01:01.05 | ghormoon | petn-randall: manual says blinks quickly: computer is entering sleep or hibernation mode, blink slozly: computer is in sleep mode |
| 01:01.11 | ghormoon | therefore the syspend didn't finish properly |
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| 01:02.04 | ghormoon | and it's true that if this happens I'm usually low on battery when i wake it up |
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| 01:02.11 | ghormoon | (depends how long it was ofc) |
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| 01:09.49 | greggypoo | hi! if bugs says "Maintainer for vtun is Debian QA Group <packages@qa.debian.org>" does that mean the package is orphaned? |
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| 01:12.07 | annadane | good question; i doubt it, but i wonder that too now |
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| 01:15.28 | somiaj | greggypoo: the debian qa seems to be a group that maintains a collection of packages, https://qa.debian.org/ |
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| 01:16.17 | somiaj | though maybe it does default if it is orphaned, https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned, and vtun is listed there |
| 01:16.54 | greggypoo | ah, thanks |
| 01:17.44 | pennTeller | hi guys is kernel-package not available in debian? |
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| 01:18.54 | awal1 | ,v kernel-package |
| 01:18.55 | judd | Package: kernel-package on amd64 -- wheezy: 12.036+nmu3; jessie: 13.014+nmu1; stretch-backports: 13.018+nmu1~bpo9+1; buster: 13.018+nmu1; sid: 13.018+nmu1 |
| 01:19.17 | awal1 | not in stretch, but yes in backports |
| 01:19.20 | somiaj | pennTeller: use the make deb-pkg target in the kernel source, kernel-package is no longer needed. |
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| 01:22.59 | pennTeller | somiaj, thank you I appreciate the recomendation |
| 01:25.01 | imMute | somiaj: by "kernel source" you mean the "linux" source package? |
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| 01:26.30 | somiaj | no the source package, it could be from git, it could be upstream tarball, or even linux-source-version package |
| 01:26.48 | somiaj | but most likely if someone is building their own kernel, they are doing so from the kernel source, not the debian linux source package. |
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| 01:40.04 | melissa666 | in network-manager, when you are setting up ethernet connections and you set IPv4 --> Method --> "Shared to other computers", what is that doing behind the scenes? is it acting as a dhcp server for clients that plug into ethernet, and then forwarding the traffic somehow? what is a term I could search for to learn more about how it works? |
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| 01:40.43 | melissa666 | i set a connection up in network-manager, and I'm trying to learn how to do the same thing without nm |
| 01:41.21 | imMute | melissa666: I don't know about NM specifically, but it's probably doing some kind of NAT. as well as possibly running a DHCP and DNS server for the "internal" network. |
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| 01:48.08 | Ouroboro | melissa666: you can examine what it is doing using the standard networking commands |
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| 02:07.01 | Ouroboro | melissa666: re how to set up nat, one way is using iptables, but there are probably others |
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| 02:11.41 | melissa666 | Ouroboro, ok, I will look more into NAT w/ IP tables ... I don't really understand NAT that well, and it would probably help me figure this out. thanks :) |
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| 02:13.34 | Ouroboro | there is not much to it, most of the details are hidden anyway |
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| 02:18.59 | Ouroboro | of course, with iptables and its various extensions you can do all kinds of strange and unusual routing, but all of the actual work happens in the kernel |
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| 02:22.35 | Ouroboro | which, btw, is a strange concept in itself to me, network routing in the kernel? really? |
| 02:22.40 | Ouroboro | installs minix |
| 02:23.00 | annadane | no! come back! |
| 02:23.42 | Ouroboro | actually, i have been meaning to try minix 3, it has everything that i need, i believe |
| 02:24.04 | Ouroboro | and there is even a live iso |
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| 02:29.09 | Ouroboro | or maybe hurd |
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| 02:30.13 | pennTeller | Hi guys anyone know why "make zImage -j8" wouldn't work in latest debian? |
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| 02:47.31 | melissa666 | is it generally bad to do `sudo make install`? I'm trying to install batctl to work with BATMAN protocol from the git repo, but I'm wondering if sudo make install is right choice? |
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| 02:48.42 | annadane | it is generally bad, yeah |
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| 02:49.23 | Ouroboro | if it is not a debian package, then it is better to keep it local instead of installing it into the system |
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| 02:50.22 | Ouroboro | or, if you really must install it into the system, then do it manually so that you know where everything goes |
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| 03:04.47 | annadane | a few github projects instruct one to make install and i've wondered how to do it properly, without root |
| 03:04.56 | annadane | things like i3-gaps |
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| 03:05.02 | annadane | but i don't _need_ i3-gaps, so... |
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| 03:05.32 | galaxie | Hi, I'm using Debian 9 as usual, but today for some reason, as I'm logging into my default account, using LXDE environment, it logs me in briefly but then the screen turns black and then logs me off. Any ideas how I can solve this? |
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| 03:07.36 | galaxie | I can log in fine through i.e su, but not graphically. I dont' remember changing anything except iptables, though. |
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| 03:08.32 | galaxie | Perhaps there is some checklist I could go through? |
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| 03:17.56 | ghormoon | hm, manually adb start-server did work and even after kill-server now adb device swork and autostarts the server correctly |
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| 03:22.45 | Chinesium | How do I direct the output of a command to multiple terminals? It's okay if one is read-only |
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| 03:24.47 | Ouroboro | tee + some redirect magic, maybe |
| 03:25.03 | farruinn | galaxie: I've encountered that with slim login manager if no session is specified. Check that your lxde session is selected. Also check relevant logs under /var/log |
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| 03:26.16 | farruinn | annadane: you could make install without root if you have a ~/.local/bin for example. |
| 03:27.03 | farruinn | or some other directory you have permissions for. Just add to your path to use. |
| 03:27.07 | annadane | and save each project in its own folder within that path |
| 03:30.09 | galaxie | farruinn: OK but why now?? |
| 03:30.24 | galaxie | farruinn: And which logs would be most relevant? |
| 03:30.59 | rjsalts | I can't figure out where sddm is getting it's config from, there is nothing in /etc/sddm/sddm.conf, but if I change themes in the kcm control panel it sticks. It's not using the alternatives system. Is it dbus? |
| 03:31.11 | annadane | and by path i meant absolute path aka ~/.local/bin |
| 03:31.19 | annadane | ~/.local/bin/arbitrarygithubproject1 |
| 03:31.42 | annadane | oh, uh... |
| 03:31.50 | annadane | to the arch wiki! |
| 03:32.32 | annadane | which says /usr/lib/sddm/sddm.conf.d/sddm.conf though that doesn't sound right and it's probably different for debian |
| 03:32.33 | OS-38463 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.14 | annadane | "For any changes, create configuration file(s) in /etc/sddm.conf.d/"... |
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| 03:34.07 | annadane | OS-38463, you were just in here doing the same thing earlier, stop posting your password in the main channel |
| 03:34.18 | annadane | also, change your password |
| 03:34.19 | rjsalts | I can only see an empty /etc/sddm and /var/lib/sddm |
| 03:34.25 | farruinn | galaxie: perhaps there was an update to lxde or your display manager that messed up the session file? Or you have a startup program that's causing a problem. |
| 03:34.31 | annadane | i used to know this probably but i don't run KDE these days |
| 03:34.54 | annadane | it's not a hidden folder in your home dir? |
| 03:35.28 | rjsalts | it's systemwide |
| 03:35.44 | farruinn | galaxie: the default display manager for lxde is lightdm, so maybe there's a /var/log/lightdm |
| 03:36.10 | galaxie | farruinn: My apologies! I did mess with my .xsession, I forgot about that! Trying to remap stuff for Emacs... |
| 03:36.17 | galaxie | farruinn: Problem solved, thanks anyways! |
| 03:37.39 | Ouroboro | rjsalts: you could strace it |
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| 03:45.06 | farruinn | rjsalts: did you check dpkg -L sddm for the config path? I just noticed I have /etc/init/slim.conf for example. |
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| 03:47.37 | rjsalts | farruinn: yes, nothing in /etc that's part of sddm seems to have the settings |
| 03:47.56 | rjsalts | Ouroboro: looking, but it's not giving much joy |
| 03:49.45 | Ouroboro | i would never describe stracing as joy :P but it's in there somewhere |
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| 03:55.00 | rjsalts | problem is the strace is 52M |
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| 04:02.32 | Nautilus | Hi, on Stretch I'm trying to install Chrome with the .deb, but it's missing a dependency and it seems kind of circular (libindicator3-1 depends on libindicator3-7?). Not sure if I'm going the right way about ths or what clue I'm missing. |
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| 04:05.37 | MTecknology | Jordan_U: Howdy! |
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| 04:11.08 | Voldenet | Nautilus: maybe you wanted to install chromium browser which is in the repo (it's basically open sourced chrome) |
| 04:12.41 | Nautilus | Voldenet: looking into it |
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| 04:13.19 | Voldenet | There's also chrome repo for debian, but I've never used it, because chromium is enough :) |
| 04:14.21 | Nautilus | yea in general they're interchangable for users |
| 04:14.39 | Jordan_U | MTecknology: I have no idea how you're playing audio without having any alsa packages installed. Maybe the packages just provide utilities like alsamixer that aren't needed when using pulse, but ALSA is still there in the kernel. |
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| 04:16.20 | MTecknology | Jordan_U: ah, I didn't realize you were referring to the kernel module |
| 04:16.22 | Jordan_U | MTecknology: In fact, now that I say it I'm pretty sure that's the explanation. ALSA is in the kernel and has some userland utilities, but I'm not surprised that you don't need the utilities when using pulse. None the less, pulseaudio is still running on top of ALSA. |
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| 04:16.40 | MTecknology | oh! in that case, I can guarantee alsa isn't available.. this is a custom kernel |
| 04:17.01 | Ouroboro | rjsalts: so, small then |
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| 04:18.06 | MTecknology | Jordan_U: oh well.. it's working well and it was all just idle curiosity. :) |
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| 04:19.32 | Jordan_U | MTecknology: What kernel configuration option did you use that you think makes alsa not available? |
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| 04:21.17 | Nautilus | Voldenet: ohhh, running a "apt --fix-broken install" seems to have helped. Not sure why, been careful with this setup, but it is what it is |
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| 04:23.15 | MTecknology | Jordan_U: I lied! It's the HD-Audio from underneath of ALSA that I removed as well as most of the "PCI sound devices". I guess there's alsa the userland utilities, and also also the kernel module. |
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| 04:32.48 | rjsalts | arggggh |
| 04:33.05 | kirk781 | My bluetooth headphones really stutter when I use them whilst connected on wifi. Is there some interference between the wireless and BT connection? |
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| 04:34.56 | JakeSqPants | they use same frequency. 2.4Ghz. |
| 04:35.23 | MTecknology | kirk781: you'd have to look at the white papers for your board to see a block layout diagram, but it's likely they share the same path at some point. |
| 04:36.01 | kirk781 | MTecknology, you just said in complex terms that the issue will remain |
| 04:36.16 | MTecknology | How did I say that? |
| 04:36.47 | MTecknology | How can that possibly be determined without first finding a root cause? |
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| 05:42.03 | m712 | hi, my hdd is dying and i lost some /usr/lib files to an fsck, how can I reinstall all packages via apt? |
| 05:42.11 | m712 | i will replace my hdd soon |
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| 05:43.06 | themill | !debsums |
| 05:43.06 | dpkg | debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "apt install debsums; debsums -a -s". Almost all packages come with md5sums included in the package or apt will have generated them for you; generate missing ones with "apt-get install --reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>. |
| 05:43.39 | themill | m712: ^^ that's a way to only reinstall the packages that are damaged rather than all packages. You can also "aptitude reinstall ~i" to reinstall all packages. |
| 05:43.47 | m712 | thank you very much |
| 05:44.16 | m712 | do reinstalled packages get set as manually installed? |
| 05:45.55 | themill | I don't think so but I'd need to do the experiment |
| 05:46.51 | themill | nope, seems to remain automatically installed |
| 05:46.56 | m712 | okay thanks |
| 05:47.10 | m712 | debsums doesn't seem to list packages which have missing files themselves |
| 05:47.45 | m712 | unless i need to wait until the end of the report |
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| 06:10.51 | yokowka | hello every soul!!!! somesoul can helps me with logs in debian 9.3 booting?)) |
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| 06:12.44 | m712 | themill: for f in $(sudo debsums -c 2>&1 | cut -d' ' -f 4); do apt-file find "$f" | cut -d: -f 1; done | sort | uniq | xargs sudo apt install --reinstall |
| 06:12.48 | m712 | this works fine |
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| 06:15.29 | m712 | no it doesn't actually, hmm |
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| 06:24.05 | m712 | oh god for some reason it's installing linux-image-dbg |
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| 06:25.42 | m712 | what the fuck |
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| 06:25.50 | m712 | my rootfs just went ro |
| 06:25.52 | m712 | by its own |
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| 06:26.13 | m712 | W: Problem unlinking the file /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin - pkgDPkgPM::Go (30: Read-only file system) |
| 06:26.14 | yokowka | m712 you talking with whom? |
| 06:26.15 | m712 | sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(cat selections) 39.45s user 14.75s system 13% cpu 6:50.76 total |
| 06:26.21 | m712 | i'm just reporting |
| 06:27.25 | m712 | will try to reboot but superblock seems to be broken (!) |
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| 06:27.37 | somiaj | m712: your hd could be going faster than you expected, and your kernel responded by making it read only |
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| 06:31.34 | dgp | m712: look in dmesg |
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| 06:43.53 | yokowka | beter wishes to you!any soul can helps with booting failures of debian 9.3? |
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| 06:46.45 | rootkea | yokowka, what exactly is the issue? |
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| 06:49.58 | m712 | somiaj: dgp yep, it's completely toast right now |
| 06:50.14 | m712 | at least the rootfs superblock is completely fucked |
| 06:50.55 | m712 | testdisk is trying to find my home partition |
| 06:51.51 | m712 | before rebooting /home/ could be read, so i still have hope that only the start cylinders are dead |
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| 06:55.47 | yokowka | rootkea do you read me? |
| 06:56.06 | m712 | Read failed: Input/output error |
| 06:56.13 | m712 | not so funny in my case :/ |
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| 06:56.53 | rootkea | yokowka, use pastebin and ask here. |
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| 06:58.20 | yokowka | rootkea it will be flood.... |
| 07:00.36 | yokowka | phellas, who knows how to fix booting fails?)) |
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| 07:04.47 | gerforce | !topic |
| 07:06.07 | foobar111 | !dpkg paste |
| 07:06.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:06.14 | foobar111 | yokowka, ^ |
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| 07:08.58 | foobar111 | yokowka, Do not send personal message. Instead post the link to pastebin here in channel |
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| 07:12.36 | yokowka | http://paste.debian.net/1029177 |
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| 07:14.14 | ponanny | What do I need to do to install the batman-adv kernel module on Debian? do I need to compile a custom kernel or something? |
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| 07:15.13 | ponanny | I try insmod batman-adv.ko and it gived me "no such file or directory" |
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| 07:16.30 | ponanny | I tried just installing batctl and configuring an interface, but it gave me a kernel oops and I had to reboot (I have a trace and the commands that caused it if needed) |
| 07:17.24 | ponanny | I can't find any docs online that tell me exactly how I'm supposed to enable batman-adv kernel module on debian. All the guides I can find for Debian are for outdated batmand app. |
| 07:17.44 | Iridos | use modprobe, not insmod⦠and skip the .ko ⦠and usually kernel modules are autoloaded whenever something tries to use them and the crash is your real problem |
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| 07:19.17 | ponanny | Iridos: ah yes, modprobe was it ... weird, every guide I've found for batman-adv says to use `insmod batman-adv.ko` but that hasn't worked on either of the Debian boxes I've tried it on |
| 07:19.20 | ponanny | thanks |
| 07:20.18 | Iridos | modprobe does the same as insmod but also loads dependencies⦠they're the same if there are none |
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| 07:21.09 | yokowka | http://paste.debian.net/1029177 |
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| 07:21.26 | fr00dgie6 | Hi |
| 07:22.01 | ponanny | well, I'm gonna make my wifi card all batmany on this box now, so adios :) |
| 07:22.06 | m712 | huh... somehow the LVM data is intact |
| 07:22.12 | m712 | so i can mount /home/ |
| 07:22.22 | m712 | and no issues when fsck'd |
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| 07:25.16 | yokowka | froodgie6 - hi! |
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| 08:01.17 | yokowka | http://paste.debian.net/1029177 |
| 08:03.14 | towo^work | yokowka, a paste without any context does not make many sense |
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| 08:05.11 | yokowka | towo^work need help with operation system failure http://paste.debian.net/1029177 who can?)) |
| 08:05.46 | towo^work | your paste is not showing any os failure |
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| 08:23.37 | akd | I have this error thrown from my bash script: /root/.npm/_npx/151/lib/node_modules/rollup-umd-scripts/bin/scripts-ci/cmds/../../../internals/declination/create: line 78: /root/oot/.npm/_npx/151/lib/node_modules/rollup-umd-scripts/bin/scripts-ci/cmds/../../../internals/declination/01-react: No such file or directory |
| 08:23.37 | akd | I dont understanbd how 01-react cannot exist, it is in the same directory as create and create is throwing err L78 where I try to run: |
| 08:23.37 | akd | ${initial_process_wd}/${f:2} |
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| 08:34.51 | jelly | akd: /root/oot/ looks wrong |
| 08:35.37 | jelly | akd: does ${f:2} do what you think it does? |
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| 08:39.58 | akd | I think it remove the first 3 char |
| 08:40.45 | akd | This is the script https://paste.gnome.org/p2nteiryx |
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| 08:44.06 | jelly | well then it does what you told it to, which seems to be the wrong thing |
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| 09:53.28 | nabax | Hi! Does anybody know whether there's a way to specify the working dir of an executable when creating a .deb package? |
| 09:53.47 | nabax | I need my executable to run from a particular dir, as it reads files from relative paths |
| 09:55.07 | nabax | I tried packaging a shell script that would (cd mydir; ./run-the-executable) but this failed with "Cannot fork" |
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| 09:58.08 | c-c | sounds like a recipe for fialure |
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| 10:04.24 | babilen | nabax: I'd adjust your software to work with standard paths and to call whatever steps are needed in the postinst script |
| 10:04.36 | babilen | That way your and everyone else's life will be easier |
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| 10:06.46 | nabax | babilen, yep, the issue is that we're packaging virtual files and dirs inside of the executable |
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| 10:07.14 | nabax | so you need to be in the actual directory where the executable lives to be able to read those |
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| 10:13.52 | nabax | oh, just got it working, disregard my question |
| 10:13.53 | nabax | thanks all |
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| 10:36.18 | pussy_licker | hello |
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| 10:37.18 | michael2 | hi all. Ive created a wrapper script in the /usr/sbin/sendmail location - is there any way I can tell dpkg that there is now a "mail-transport-agent" virtual package on the system? to prevent any future software trying to install a mail-transport-agent as a dependency? |
| 10:38.09 | pussy_licker | michael2: have you tried turning it off and back on? |
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| 10:40.31 | michael2 | you mean did i notify dpkg there is a package which provides mail-transport-agent? no I dont know how |
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| 10:42.11 | pussy_licker | michael2: i don't know linux much |
| 10:42.17 | pussy_licker | i just know in general |
| 10:42.22 | pussy_licker | when the computer doesnt work |
| 10:42.36 | pussy_licker | i turn it off and then back on again |
| 10:42.53 | pussy_licker | if that does't fix it, then kicking it usually does |
| 10:43.05 | pussy_licker | but sometimes it doesn't |
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| 11:08.28 | Iridos | michael2, you could just make a small package with your script⦠possibly using checkinstall on a copy or so |
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| 11:08.55 | Iridos | that'd probably make sense for most things that could come up⦠|
| 11:08.58 | Iridos | ⦠or ⦠|
| 11:09.00 | Iridos | dpkg, equivs |
| 11:09.00 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
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| 13:10.27 | tyzef | Hi guys ! How you Debian is going on ??? Here I face that you know when I plug charger on da Eeepc, don't why cursor get crazy even sometime freeze like Mr..... I think our powerhouse electric juice not fluid that much so drain a lot of interference, you know I mean? Am I right or just out of the way??? Thanks |
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| 13:11.38 | beastwick | @tyzef Are you OK? |
| 13:12.20 | jelly | tyzef: do you know any language other than English? |
| 13:13.04 | tyzef | Am living on an island and they provide electricity from big generators you know |
| 13:13.29 | tyzef | yeah I know some others languages but... |
| 13:14.55 | Javabean | what is the language you use most in your day to day life, tyzef? |
| 13:15.07 | tyzef | that's not the point, I come here because man 1500 people here, so huge I'm pretty someone will know what I'm talking about ! |
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| 13:15.27 | tyzef | Dhivehi language |
| 13:15.34 | tyzef | den english |
| 13:15.59 | tyzef | why? |
| 13:16.20 | tyzef | my grand grand grand father like that is a Scottish |
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| 13:16.41 | tyzef | anyway |
| 13:17.34 | tyzef | if you get my curser play flipper on my screen I will be great full to you dude ! |
| 13:17.56 | jelly | because your written English is a bit rough, and sometimes there are support channels for other languages |
| 13:18.58 | tyzef | oh sorry |
| 13:19.08 | tyzef | is Queen Language a must? |
| 13:19.58 | tyzef | sorry I got my English talk background from Bham, anyway, sorry |
| 13:20.30 | petn-randall | haha, don't worry, tyzef, you can still ask in here. We sometimes just point people to localized support channels if their english is a little rough on the edges. |
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| 13:21.43 | Javabean | when you plug in your Eeepc, even if the cursor starts going all over your screen does the charging icon show on your system tray? |
| 13:22.03 | tyzef | to be honest I also can use french language but... how to debianing if not using English? |
| 13:22.23 | Javabean | !fr |
| 13:22.23 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 13:22.31 | tyzef | yes ! unplugged it run perfectly fine ! |
| 13:22.32 | Javabean | ah, it does work |
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| 13:22.56 | Javabean | but the icon on your screen, does it change when you plug the eeepc in? |
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| 13:24.18 | tyzef | no Javabean, only problem is the cursor, actually I have to go deeper here, I explained you... |
| 13:26.32 | tyzef | cursor get mad then freeze, for that matter it concern the touch pad... then for the wire mouse I use it work but stop and go, stop and go, stop and go... like that. so 2 materials are here in trouble isn't it? |
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| 13:28.10 | tyzef | so now I use Debian in text without GUI |
| 13:28.34 | tyzef | then okay ! but little bit old school style |
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| 13:29.19 | Javabean | not sure, i am only asking ya questions cause i seem to be able to understand ya better than others, i am hoping the questions i ask can help the betters in the channel figure out what is up... but yeah, the touch pad going nuts and the wired mouse stop and go'ing should only be one subsystem |
| 13:29.59 | tyzef | really |
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| 13:30.43 | tyzef | from subsystem it can be fixed? |
| 13:31.08 | Javabean | example would be, where does the system log when you plug in the power on a laptop. where does the system log when the touchpad/mouse disconnects/reconnects? |
| 13:31.29 | Javabean | would it be dmesg for that? |
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| 13:32.26 | tyzef | I don't know, people call me Newbe |
| 13:32.58 | tyzef | I'm learning Debian actually |
| 13:33.43 | Javabean | being a Newbe isn't all that bad yo, we all have to start somewhere/sometime... nah my question was aimed at people like jelly and petn* |
| 13:34.52 | tyzef | but if give some little guidelines it will be perfectly fine, I don't disturb actually, and ai also should do a part of the job to get what I am doing, I guess |
| 13:34.58 | jhutchins_wk | Javabean: Yes, it would be dmesg. |
| 13:35.25 | jhutchins_wk | Javabean: Most IRC clients will complete a nick if you hit tab. |
| 13:35.40 | jhutchins_wk | (Provided the user is in channel.) |
| 13:36.04 | ytrezq | Hello, it seems debuild doesnât works for cross compiling, May someone help me on this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=901488â¯? |
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| 13:36.21 | ytrezq | (since qt4 is the only dev package without an archive for static linking) |
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| 13:36.40 | Javabean | then tyzef, next time you plug in your eeepc could you save a chunk of dmesg to a file and post it... that would be the way to start getting the problem fixed |
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| 13:38.21 | petn-randall | ytrezq: Given that qt4 is completely unsupported since 2015 upstream, and there are serious efforts to remove it from Debian, I don't expect anyone to work on it. |
| 13:38.39 | ytrezq | petn-randall: Qt5 is also concerned |
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| 13:39.19 | petn-randall | ytrezq: It might be, but that would be a separate ticket against a different package. |
| 13:39.24 | Javabean | would dmesg | tail -100 > error.txt work to grab that kind of error/problem you think? jhutchins_wk? |
| 13:39.48 | ytrezq | But if you would provide a Qt4 static archive, I would be able to provide upward compatibility for future version of debian that would no longer include it. |
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| 13:40.38 | squarecircle | ohai |
| 13:40.39 | petn-randall | ytrezq: Also, you filed that bug ~15 hours ago, you need to be more patient. If there's no response in a few weeks you could poke the maintainer again. |
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| 13:40.53 | das_j | Hey everyone, I'm currently trying to cross-build a package for arm64 using sbuild. However, when running `sbuild` to build the package, it fails with a dependency conflict between make:arm64 and make:amd64. How do I resolve this? |
| 13:41.15 | petn-randall | ytrezq: Also, I won't provide anything because I have no clue about qt4 and their packaging. |
| 13:41.25 | tyzef | Okay Javabean I will try to do it asap, tonight I am quite busy but, don't worry I am always here on #debian when I plug to IRC, Hey guys thank you so sorry, sorry for using slang, I just love it actually ! so I keep the chat in note and come again... Debian well ! |
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| 13:41.56 | tyzef | thank you so much |
| 13:42.12 | urbicid | hi all! how to normally chroot from another linux distro to debian? |
| 13:42.20 | squarecircle | if I have two port forward iptables rules that only differ in ip and port but only one works, what have I done wrong? |
| 13:42.25 | ytrezq | petn-randall: this rather really blocking for me, I need an arm64 version of LibQt4Gui.a or LibQt5gui.a ASAP |
| 13:42.33 | greycat | urbicid: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 13:42.50 | Javabean | be well tyzef, remember though my command might not work. ought to wait a few to see if someone chimes in to say its bunk and suggests something better to work |
| 13:43.03 | ytrezq | petn-randall: and as shown in the bug, Iâm defnitely unable to compile the missing library myself |
| 13:43.42 | urbicid | greycat: i must install debootstrap or what? :o |
| 13:43.59 | ytrezq | Iâm talking about about managing money. Doing nothing incures losses |
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| 13:44.19 | greycat | Well, that was my guess as to what your question meant -- that you wanted to install a Debian system inside a chroot inside a different Linux. |
| 13:44.25 | petn-randall | ytrezq: Then I suggest you hire a freelancer to do that job for you. As I said, *I* can't do anything about it, and if you have hard deadlines, that would be the way to do it. |
| 13:45.00 | tyzef | well Javabean ! |
| 13:45.13 | petn-randall | ytrezq: Don't forget that Debian developers are doing this in their free time for no money, so you can't really make any demands when they do things or if they respond to your bug reports at all. |
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| 13:46.23 | squarecircle | here is the paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F4trhTZQyh/ |
| 13:46.35 | squarecircle | I'm actually confused about this |
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| 13:53.35 | ytrezq | petn-randall: when I see they are qt4 bugs that are still untriaged since 2010, I have to fear a lot. |
| 13:54.24 | petn-randall | ytrezq: Sounds like you'd love to help make Debian better! |
| 13:55.10 | ytrezq | petn-randall: without being even able to test libQt4 things wonât go far |
| 13:56.43 | das_j | Umm, what do I do when a segfault occurs in aptitude? |
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| 13:57.07 | ytrezq | manual dpkg reinstall? |
| 13:57.33 | das_j | ytrezq: Well, aptitude was executed by pbuilder to calculate the dependencies, so I cannot really switch |
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| 13:58.17 | jrtc27 | das_j: known bug with qemu-user-static+aptitude |
| 13:58.36 | jrtc27 | switch your resolver in your pbuilderrc file with PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD (check the manpage) |
| 13:58.45 | das_j | jrtc27: Is it fixable with this workaround? http://lists.linutronix.de/pipermail/elbe-devel/2017-March/000297.html |
| 13:58.50 | das_j | it looks correct |
| 13:59.00 | das_j | oh, okay |
| 13:59.20 | jrtc27 | idk what on earth elbepack/pbuilder.py is |
| 13:59.27 | jrtc27 | are you on stretch? |
| 13:59.54 | petn-randall | ytrezq: You can always fix it and then provide patches. |
| 14:00.06 | jrtc27 | if so, you want PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD=/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-apt rather than -experimental |
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| 14:04.23 | ytrezq | petn-randall: how I can test the patches if I cannot compile ? |
| 14:04.31 | squarecircle | any idea |
| 14:04.40 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 14:04.40 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and a dozen three-legged oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 14:05.04 | squarecircle | greycat: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F4trhTZQyh/ |
| 14:05.18 | greycat | squarecircle: If nobody here knows your iptables/netfilter stuff at the moment, you can either wait, or try #netfilter |
| 14:05.34 | squarecircle | join #netfilter |
| 14:05.37 | squarecircle | hm |
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| 14:10.04 | [bma] | Quickie (hopefully) - any idea why /etc/os-release would say buster is installed on a wheezy box? Machine is installing wheezy packages, and there's no sign of buster except for in the os-release and debian-version files :s |
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| 14:11.02 | squarecircle | greycat: thanks |
| 14:11.26 | colo-work | dpkg -S /etc/os-release |
| 14:11.26 | dpkg | Package: /etc/os-release: Status: install ok installed |
| 14:11.40 | colo-work | debsums base-files |
| 14:11.48 | colo-work | @ [bma] |
| 14:11.51 | colo-work | those could help |
| 14:11.58 | colo-work | (figure out what the heck is going on) |
| 14:12.19 | [bma] | thanks! |
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| 14:12.57 | greycat | Sounds like a frankendebian. |
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| 14:13.31 | das_j | jrtc27: Thank you so much! Now it works |
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| 14:14.50 | [bma] | hmm get's weirder. |
| 14:14.56 | [bma] | debsums for base-files - OK |
| 14:15.16 | [bma] | base-files showing from 7.1wheezy11 0 |
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| 14:15.28 | [bma] | yet /usr/share/doc/base-files/README references buster |
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| 14:17.20 | greycat | [bma]: my /usr/share/doc/base-files/README on wheezy does not contain the string buster |
| 14:17.25 | Akuw | my / is full |
| 14:18.08 | [bma] | It has the line "Q. Why "buster/sid" and not "testing/unstable" as it used to be? " |
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| 14:18.14 | Akuw | and /usr/src is taking 3.5 my / is 6GB |
| 14:18.16 | Akuw | https://pastebin.com/mm8R2GG6 |
| 14:18.41 | greycat | so look somewhere else than /usr/src, like /tmp or /var |
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| 14:18.46 | jelly | Akuw: that's not a debian installation |
| 14:19.20 | greycat | when disks fill up, log files are usually the first place you want to start looking |
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| 14:19.46 | jelly | Akuw: but here's a free hint: use "dpkg -S /path/to/some/dir" to figure out which package a directory belongs to, and then remove packages you do not need any more |
| 14:20.01 | themill | Akuw: you were asking in the right place when you asked #ubuntu |
| 14:20.27 | jelly | or possibly #ubuntu-server if it's a LTS server install |
| 14:20.34 | greycat | would have followed up with "wait, 3.5 *what*" but others have already got involved |
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| 14:20.39 | Akuw | yes, but they give me and script, but i can't run it, i have to chech it first |
| 14:21.56 | greycat | what ever happened to good old "cd /var; du -sk *" |
| 14:22.17 | jelly | du -x /var | sort -n |tail -n 40 |
| 14:22.25 | colo-work | I like du -chx / | sort -h |
| 14:22.29 | themill | ncdu |
| 14:22.33 | jelly | du -s fails at recursion |
| 14:22.51 | greycat | You are expected to KNOW if you have sub-filesystems mounted underneath /var. |
| 14:23.24 | jelly | why KNOW when you can use idioms that work (even on / ) |
| 14:23.36 | Akuw | i will use command and paste to check, i don't wannna do something bad in that server |
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| 14:24.08 | greycat | Oh right. He's an ubuntu user. Ubuntu users never know anything, not even the fundamental basics. |
| 14:24.26 | jelly | that's prejudice! |
| 14:24.28 | greycat | That's why they keep coming HERE for help, and we keep having to kick them out. |
| 14:24.44 | jelly | distroism |
| 14:24.46 | AliceKelly | good morning greycat and jelly |
| 14:24.49 | jelly | hides |
| 14:25.06 | greycat | If it's a judgment made after observation, doesn't that make it postjudice? |
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| 14:26.00 | AliceKelly | i can see your point greycat but isnt ubuntu a debian spin off ? |
| 14:26.08 | Akuw | output --> https://pastebin.com/QisNEDvx |
| 14:26.41 | greycat | Also, I learned *never* to start a search for "what's taking all my disk space" in the root directory, simply because it takes too LONG to search through all that other crap. Bear in mind I've been doing this a WHILE, and disks were much slower back then. |
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| 14:27.18 | greycat | So my experiences and training always led me to find a likely starting point and start there, rather than sit around waiting forever. |
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| 14:27.39 | lupulo | hi |
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| 14:28.22 | greycat | So, I would start in /var (or maybe even /var/log), and if that doesn't turn up the culprits in like 0.5 seconds, then maybe you can think about going back up to / and taking 20 minutes. |
| 14:28.55 | somiaj | AliceKelly: ubuntu has changed quite a lot due to corprate funding, Ubuntu uses debian packages for non core things, but their core setup can be different enough to debian, that what works in debian doesn't work in ubuntu and visa versa. |
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| 14:29.21 | pennTeller | Guys, when I compile a Linux Kernel into a bzImage, is a bzImage something I can put into a USB and boot from it? |
| 14:29.56 | AliceKelly | somiaj, ive learned that the hard way. when i do a google for debian i always get an ubuntu forum |
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| 14:30.23 | jelly | pennTeller: you need an initramfs as well, and some sort of boot loader (syslinux, grub, whatever works for you) |
| 14:30.29 | greycat | AliceKelly: sometimes, yes. And sometimes the answer may work. Sometimes it won't. |
| 14:30.42 | jelly | pennTeller: doing it manually is a nontrivial task |
| 14:30.49 | pennTeller | jelly, even if I build a kernel for the raspberry pi let's say? |
| 14:30.52 | lupulo | pennTeller, download knoppix |
| 14:31.04 | pennTeller | lupulo, isn't knoppix a live distro? |
| 14:31.18 | AliceKelly | greycat, i found it simpler to get rid of knoppix and just run debian |
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| 14:32.19 | jelly | pennTeller: then you use a boot loader and initrd appropriate for that platform |
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| 14:32.32 | somiaj | AliceKelly: non core stuff (What ubuntu call's its universe) is qutie similar, so if wanting info on some non core aspect, usually the two are fairly similar (but in that regard, so is the arch wiki). But core details can just not work the same at all. In essence it is best to get support for ubuntu in #ubuntu, because #debian may not know what has changed. |
| 14:32.49 | pennTeller | jelly, thanks for the info :) |
| 14:32.56 | jelly | I gave no info :-) |
| 14:35.05 | AliceKelly | !deselect --reconfigure |
| 14:35.28 | AliceKelly | !deselect |
| 14:36.12 | greycat | too many E's |
| 14:36.22 | greycat | !dselect |
| 14:36.23 | dpkg | dselect is a wonderful UI for package management, or really more powerful than apt-get, or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. Obsolete documentation is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/dselect-beginner/ . See also <aptitude>, <fix-unmet>. For details about the bot, ask me about <dselectbot>. |
| 14:36.28 | AliceKelly | lol dpkg says theres a pebkac problem |
| 14:36.38 | AliceKelly | ty |
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| 14:36.56 | dselect | dpkg: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 14:36.56 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 14:37.33 | AliceKelly | so dselect is obsolete what takes its place ? |
| 14:37.47 | greycat | probably aptitude |
| 14:38.06 | greycat | or just manually running apt/apt-get commands, if you prefer |
| 14:38.27 | somiaj | AliceKelly: dselect is still around for the few people who cannot manage to stop using it, though there was some bug about removing it, I think there was someone who steped up to try to keep it alive. Use apt, apt-get, aptitude. |
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| 14:39.51 | AliceKelly | ive tried about every fix i can find for webgl not working except non free ati drivers and reinstall debian |
| 14:40.11 | Akuw | to clear something |
| 14:40.38 | AliceKelly | is it possible that webgl wont run due to something missing in install |
| 14:41.03 | Akuw | if i use uname -r and get 4.x.x but when use dpkg there are 3.x.x can i securely remove the old versions? |
| 14:41.19 | Akuw | using sudo apt-get remove linux-image-VERSION |
| 14:41.19 | greycat | Akuw: if you don't ever expect to use them, yes, you can remove older kernel images |
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| 14:41.26 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:41.43 | greycat | some people like to keep one old image around in case of emergency, but it's totally your call |
| 14:41.48 | Akuw | why somebody would want to use a old version? question |
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| 14:42.05 | AliceKelly | to run backport drivers |
| 14:42.23 | AimHere | Akuw, sometimes new kernels break stuff and you want your old one around just in case, after an apt-get upgrade |
| 14:42.32 | Akuw | hummmmm |
| 14:42.33 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:42.38 | Akuw | in my case https://pastebin.com/QisNEDvx |
| 14:42.47 | Akuw | there are many and some very old |
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| 14:43.07 | Akuw | once i delete old i will get 100MB more |
| 14:43.12 | Akuw | for each old deleted |
| 14:44.37 | somiaj | AliceKelly: didn't that site that had the rotating cube work for you? I think you have webgl working, you just don't have the hardware needed for the webgl app that keeps bothering you |
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| 14:45.06 | somiaj | Akuw: by default apt autoremove should remove old kernels (well it keeps one old kernel around). |
| 14:45.36 | somiaj | AliceKelly: https://get.webgl.org/ -- you see a rotating cube on that site right? |
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| 14:50.47 | AliceKelly | somiaj, iaj> AliceKelly: https://get.webgl.org/ -- you see a rotating cube on that site right? |
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| 14:50.57 | AkQ | ? |
| 14:51.05 | jelly | paste gone bad, ignore |
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| 14:51.10 | AliceKelly | oops |
| 14:51.20 | AkQ | yea saw it after "?" |
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| 14:51.42 | somiaj | I dno't know what you mean by "?", but to me it sounds more like a gl compadbility issue, vs if webgl is working |
| 14:51.43 | Akuw | well i deleted the old one and got 150MB |
| 14:51.48 | AliceKelly | somiaj, Hmm. While your browser seems to support WebGL, it is disabled or unavailable. If possible, please ensure that you are running the latest drivers for your video card. |
| 14:52.15 | Akuw | now i can install openssh-server and continue |
| 14:52.31 | somiaj | AliceKelly: could just be your video card isnt' fully supported in linux, glxgears run for you? |
| 14:52.33 | AliceKelly | ive run everything i can find to enable it. it says its running in the browser |
| 14:52.34 | greycat | AliceKelly: What version of Debian, what video chipset (lspci -nn), is firmware installed, and what driver are you using? |
| 14:52.53 | Akuw | it sucks when i have to work in front of server with little space |
| 14:53.00 | somiaj | AliceKelly: I had to do nothing to enable webgl here, it is enabled if your xorg gl video is working fine |
| 14:53.04 | RedSoxFan07 | I'm running Debian Stretch, but I'm using the nvidia-driver package from stretch-backports because the regular one in Stretch doesn't work with my GT 1030. I was trying to install Battle.net through Lutris and I kept getting an error message from Battle.net about a missing graphics context. I did a little investigating and I found out that there's a graphics driver update, but there are unresolved dependencies. How do I do this? |
| 14:53.35 | RedSoxFan07 | apt-get -t stretch-backports --fix-broken? |
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| 14:54.10 | AliceKelly | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV250/M9 GL [Mobility FireGL 9000/Radeon 9000] [1002:4c66] (rev 02) |
| 14:54.12 | greycat | I even see the spinning cube on mine, and I've only got integrated intel video. |
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| 14:54.21 | greycat | ,pciid 1002:4c66 |
| 14:54.22 | judd | [1002:4c66] is 'RV250/M9 GL [Mobility FireGL 9000/Radeon 9000]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeonfb', 'radeon' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4c66 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 14:54.41 | jelly | that sounds horribly old |
| 14:54.45 | AliceKelly | using debian stretch / amd drivers with proper firmware |
| 14:54.55 | AliceKelly | its a radeon 9000 |
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| 14:55.34 | jelly | R200 barely does OpenGL 1.x I think,no GLES, don't expect WebGL to work |
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| 14:56.13 | AliceKelly | im using an rv250 |
| 14:56.23 | jelly | same generation |
| 14:56.42 | AliceKelly | works fine in chrome / win32 |
| 14:56.53 | jelly | good for them |
| 14:57.22 | jelly | just don't expect a lot in linux, I don't think even GL compositors work well |
| 14:57.57 | jelly | and chrome build has a tight whitelist of drivers and hw it will enable webgl on on linux |
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| 14:58.42 | AkQ | LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC SOFTWARE (if exist) Description: a "Multiuser Notepad++" that is used with a browser. The web-page is secured with a password and any person with the password can open the project and see all the Tabs of plain text files, in Notepad++ style and they would be able to edit any of them, switch between instantly. Exactly like Notepad++, but with multiuser usability through a web-browser. |
| 14:58.45 | AkQ | Needs to have Line counter on side and Tabs of Text files. (Like Notepad++ .. ) |
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| 14:59.07 | jelly | AkQ: and cost nothing? :-) |
| 14:59.10 | greycat | a wiki? |
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| 14:59.18 | AkQ | jelly: yes, freeware software |
| 14:59.25 | jelly | !nopony AkQ |
| 14:59.25 | dpkg | AkQ: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
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| 14:59.40 | AkQ | pony .. ? |
| 15:00.05 | mrAZ | hello, i read about using dhcpcd and dnsmasq together for using it as wireless AP on one iface, but isn't it conflicting? |
| 15:00.06 | AkQ | forgot to add: Self-Hosted |
| 15:00.15 | jelly | "you're expecting a bit too much" |
| 15:00.38 | AliceKelly | me ? |
| 15:00.47 | AkQ | geez it's a notepad with line numbers and multiuser support |
| 15:00.52 | jelly | no, AkQ. Look for etherpad clones. |
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| 15:01.42 | AkQ | etherpad - but needs password and tabs for multiple plain text files to be opened for the project |
| 15:01.47 | petn-randall | ytrezq: How do you expect Debian developers to do it? |
| 15:03.53 | Fox | AkQ: did you look at etherpad plugins ? maybe you'll find some that fit your needs |
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| 15:04.41 | jelly | AkQ: password protection can be done in web server, http basic auth, instead |
| 15:05.06 | jelly | and all the *pads and pastebins support multiple entries, duh |
| 15:06.22 | AkQ | multiple entries sure, but like Notepad++ style that can will be all loaded when entering the page and the editor can switch between them, without loading or changing the page he is currently at. just switching the view to another file |
| 15:06.25 | RedSoxFan07 | I'm running Debian Stretch, but I'm using the nvidia-driver package from stretch-backports because the regular one in Stretch doesn't work with my GT 1030. I was trying to install Battle.net through Lutris and I kept getting an error message from Battle.net about a missing graphics context. I did a little investigating and I found out that there's a graphics driver update, but there are unresolved dependencies. How do I do this? |
| 15:07.40 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: what is "lutris"? Is your application 32bit or 64bit? If it's 32bit you might just be missing 32bit nvidia userspace bits |
| 15:08.05 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: what do you mean by "unresolved dependencies"? |
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| 15:08.43 | jelly | AkQ: because switching to a different browser tab is too hard? |
| 15:08.57 | RedSoxFan07 | jelly: Lutris is a program that makes it easier to install windows games with Wine. It has Wine scripts which choose the best Wine settings to get Wndows games working. It's a 64-bit program. But Battle.net is a different story. Battle.net is a 32-bit launcher for 64-bit games. |
| 15:09.04 | croddy | live multiplayer text editing is probably not happening. i would try to solve that using a git UI, perhaps gitea (MIT license) |
| 15:09.19 | mnuhmnuh | ,pciid 8086:29c2 |
| 15:09.20 | judd | [8086:29c2] is '82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:29c2 |
| 15:09.27 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: then that 32bit launcher probably needs 32bit opengl libs |
| 15:09.36 | greycat | He wants a custom, polished, professionally written web application just for his specific bizarre-world needs, and he doesn't want to pay for it. |
| 15:09.47 | jelly | hence !nopony |
| 15:10.03 | RedSoxFan07 | jelly: Okay. I'll check it out. |
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| 15:10.07 | AkQ | jelly: web-browser tabs are for different web-pages. multiuser notepad++ shouldn't require additional tabs in browser - only inside of the editor |
| 15:10.18 | AkQ | greycat lol |
| 15:10.30 | AkQ | i mean notepad++ is free |
| 15:10.35 | jelly | AkQ: you'll probably have to pay to have the exact specs matched, is what I'm saying |
| 15:10.53 | AkQ | fine what ever, can't be too expensive to code such simple stuff - not that i'm a coder |
| 15:11.03 | RedSoxFan07 | Is this it? libopengl0-glvnd-nvidia |
| 15:11.10 | jelly | just because it's an obvious idea does not mean the implementation is simple or easy |
| 15:11.55 | AkQ | hiring coder: make multiuser notepad++ in web-page, self hosted, secured with password, tabs of plain-text files inside of the editor, line counter, hyperlinks are clickable |
| 15:12.07 | jim | AkQ, dunno what all your solutions are... but I do know two of them: hire a coder, learn to code |
| 15:12.40 | jim | (again, not sure if that's your only choice) |
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| 15:13.08 | greycat | the other obvious choice would be "Use the google thing that's close enough" |
| 15:13.10 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: I'd probably start with libgl1-nvidia-glvnd-glx:i386 |
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| 15:13.50 | dgp | I heard if you bring up an idea on IRC enough times a wizard will appear and create a github repo with the app you wanted fully tested and everything |
| 15:13.58 | RedSoxFan07 | jelly: Alright. Installing now. |
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| 15:14.06 | jelly | AkQ: alternatively, look at open source groupware things, like OpenXchange |
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| 15:14.34 | jelly | er, wrong OpenX thing, wait |
| 15:15.23 | RedSoxFan07 | jelly: Battle.net works now! Thanks! |
| 15:15.49 | jelly | ah no, I remembered right. They have an online clicky word processor part of their App Suite. |
| 15:16.38 | jelly | RedSoxFan07: you're welcome! |
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| 15:19.34 | AkQ | jelly: ox looks way too complicated or i didn't find the thing you meant |
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| 15:20.36 | jelly | AkQ: it's a self-hosted google docs replacement basically |
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| 15:20.44 | AkQ | yes i can see that |
| 15:20.59 | jelly | and it's kind of free |
| 15:21.10 | AkQ | so is google docs, and its nothing that i need |
| 15:21.20 | AkQ | thanks anyway |
| 15:21.26 | jelly | google docs are not self-hosted AFAIK |
| 15:21.40 | jelly | unless you're google |
| 15:21.45 | AkQ | i'm google |
| 15:22.15 | jelly | then you have enough $$$ and devs to code the thing on your own. Problem solved! |
| 15:23.43 | jelly | (it's possible there is a free pony for you, it's just that we do not know its name or its location) |
| 15:24.06 | AkQ | me neither, i tried googling |
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| 15:27.42 | AkQ | owncloud seems good |
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| 15:28.03 | AkQ | although it could be more minimal, but not sure if there is alternatives |
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| 15:35.38 | jim | AkQ, if we strip down any "looks" requirement, it sounds like you could use git |
| 15:36.17 | greycat | jim: I'm fairly sure he wants something for idiots, not for developers. I suggested "a wiki" originally. |
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| 15:36.29 | greycat | But even a wiki is still not WYSIWYG enough for idiots. |
| 15:37.40 | jelly | jim: git only has file-level granularity and is not usable if you want to track keypresses |
| 15:38.31 | jelly | go try to make your editor or DE autocommit and autopull every five seconds |
| 15:38.59 | Akuw | hi guys |
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| 15:39.17 | Akuw | everything fine, finally i remove all old kernels and configure ssh |
| 15:39.28 | jelly | Akuw: still in wrong channel, tho |
| 15:39.40 | Akuw | how can i know what kind of disk have my computer |
| 15:39.44 | jim | greycat, I dunno, maybe you could hide a lot of what git does |
| 15:39.49 | Akuw | jelly: this is related to debian |
| 15:40.00 | jelly | Akuw: not unless you're running Debian. |
| 15:40.14 | jelly | we don't do "related" here, we do Debian. For the time being. |
| 15:40.38 | Akuw | i used debian man |
| 15:40.40 | Akuw | 9 |
| 15:40.43 | jelly | me too! |
| 15:41.00 | jim | maybe YOU can do DebiAn! |
| 15:41.11 | jelly | but I don't ask questions on how to do something on my xenial laptop or centos server in here. |
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| 15:41.19 | Akuw | just need to know if one of servers running debian use SSD or Hard Disk |
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| 15:41.34 | jelly | Akuw: what does "uname -a" on that server say? |
| 15:42.07 | Akuw | jejejeje |
| 15:42.10 | Akuw | .9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:42.18 | jelly | okay |
| 15:42.36 | jim | Akuw, I have a debian machine which has a samsung 850 ssd |
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| 15:43.06 | Akuw | ok |
| 15:43.30 | greycat | His short hostname is obviously so top secret that he had to badly mangle the output of a simple uname -a command, so you can't see that he named his server "vagina". |
| 15:43.55 | jim | anyone have any sense of how stable the RT patches to the current stretch kernel (intel amd64) are? |
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| 15:44.18 | Akuw | lshw |
| 15:44.38 | jelly | Akuw: grep . /sys/block/sd*/device/model does not tell you if ssh or hdd, but tells you the model(s) |
| 15:44.40 | dgp | greycat: I think it's probably "boobiesaregr8" |
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| 15:44.55 | jim | lshw: no hardware found |
| 15:45.01 | Akuw | what? |
| 15:45.09 | Akuw | no command found |
| 15:45.10 | Akuw | hehehehe |
| 15:45.15 | Akuw | you have to install |
| 15:45.19 | jelly | you don't have grep? |
| 15:45.44 | greycat | jelly: /msg greybot b6 |
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| 15:47.01 | jelly | there's a flag for "flash" vs "metal" somewhere under /sys with recent kernels as well but I can't find it |
| 15:47.14 | AkQ | can git files be edited in "full screen" ? |
| 15:47.17 | jelly | if not there, then smart |
| 15:47.40 | greycat | git files are edited on your local workstation using whatever editor you want |
| 15:47.47 | jelly | AkQ: depends on whether you can put vscode or vim or whatever editor in full screen |
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| 15:48.47 | AkQ | hmmh so requires a editor to be downloaded and installed |
| 15:48.48 | jelly | it's fun how a Microsoft product is now one of the nicer linux editors with builtin git support |
| 15:48.50 | AkQ | bleh |
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| 15:48.55 | jelly | ikr |
| 15:49.02 | greycat | oh my god not an editor |
| 15:49.10 | jelly | !start a no editor war |
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| 15:49.34 | AkQ | ok, so it needs somekind of software downloaded and installed |
| 15:50.42 | jelly | AkQ: and not just ANY editor, something with git support! Users might even be forced to install git itself!!! |
| 15:51.07 | greycat | I thought it was fairly obvious he doesn't want git because he's targeting idiots, not developers. |
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| 15:51.35 | greycat | He wants a set of apes, or possibly monkeys, to press the colored spots on their tablets and go ook. |
| 15:51.35 | jelly | I'm pretty sure the volunteers helpers in #debian are the ones being targeted |
| 15:52.23 | jim | the developers throw editors at the idiots... the idiots pull the pins and throw em back! |
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| 15:53.15 | jelly | greycat: if you'll be my /nick Waldorf I can be your long lost /nick Statler |
| 15:53.56 | greycat | But you can't call me Betty. |
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| 15:56.01 | AkQ | yea sure i want something nice and effective - hard to ask and ofc because notepad++ is freely shared, the thing that i ask is clearly *Impossible* to exist AND FURTHERMORE is meant ONLY FOR FUCKING RETARDS |
| 15:56.15 | jelly | now you're getting it |
| 15:57.07 | dgp | MOaR CAPS! |
| 15:57.56 | greycat | Not "impossible to exist". Just such a hideously difficult and expensive project that nobody is releasing it for free. |
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| 16:01.23 | jelly | these new apps are fun tho. "simple etherpad, just need a couple tiny requirements: node.js, postgresql, npm" |
| 16:01.25 | AkQ | greycat: yes, obviously way too hardcore - that's why notepad++ is so damn expensive |
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| 16:01.45 | jelly | "or grab a tiny 400MB container! For Debian!" https://github.com/hackmdio/hackmd/blob/master/README.md |
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| 16:02.09 | greycat | A fancy editor that runs locally is en entirely different project from a web-based multi-user groupware word processor. |
| 16:02.22 | jelly | AkQ: local, single user apps work different than distributed apps with multiple users |
| 16:02.34 | AkQ | what ever you say greycat |
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| 16:02.48 | jelly | as an idea there's not much difference |
| 16:03.06 | jelly | implementation is like two orders of magnitude difference |
| 16:03.15 | AkQ | like you said, the access can be restricted already in apache |
| 16:03.50 | jelly | it's not "whatever you say", but how things actually work |
| 16:04.59 | AkQ | yes and because it's so complicated, it's a miracle how debian can even exist in first place |
| 16:05.16 | greycat | Debian is the end result of many decades of work by thousands of people. |
| 16:05.22 | jelly | standing on the shoulders of giants, yes |
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| 16:05.45 | AkQ | not even mention OwnCloud or Etherpad, which alraedy seem quite good for my purpose, at least with either of them, with tweaks/plugins |
| 16:06.03 | jelly | those were already mentioned so why repeat |
| 16:06.04 | greycat | Starting with the GNU project to rewrite the Unix userspace tools, then Linus Torvalds's project to rewrite a Minix-like kernel, etc. |
| 16:06.07 | AkQ | aaah fuck it's probably a scam because, like you said, it's impossible |
| 16:06.29 | greycat | If owncloud is close to what you want, then by all means go use that, and ask #owncloud for help. |
| 16:07.01 | AkQ | i can't, they would +kb me because i'm searching something that is targeting idiots |
| 16:07.20 | AkQ | or apes and monkeys |
| 16:07.26 | greycat | Why is that a problem? |
| 16:07.43 | greycat | If that's the project goal, then that's the goal, and it should be stated clearly. |
| 16:08.15 | AkQ | how about this stating clearly: you are fucking douchebag |
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| 16:09.05 | petn-randall | kthxbye |
| 16:09.07 | jelly | !next |
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| 16:13.29 | jelly | (fwiw, they thanked for the useful info in PM) |
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| 16:37.28 | Includes08 | could anyone check my command as i get a return with 0: command not found |
| 16:37.30 | Includes08 | top_left="screen -dmS top_left sh -g -c 'omxplayer --win "0 0 960 540" "rtsp://admin:pass@10.0.2.159:554/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=2" -b --live '"; |
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| 16:38.11 | Includes08 | atm i'm clueless |
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| 16:39.07 | dgp | I think the error message is trying to tell you something |
| 16:39.17 | Includes08 | yes that i made a typo :P |
| 16:39.29 | Includes08 | or i'm trying to do something that doesn't work |
| 16:40.13 | dgp | it's telling you the command you tried to run wasn't found |
| 16:40.19 | jelly | Includes08: you probably can't quote " characters inside "" |
| 16:40.26 | Includes08 | dgp, i added quotations at the link cause if i don't everything after the url port it will break. It works in cli but not in bash |
| 16:40.37 | Includes08 | jelly, you know a way around? cause it works fine in cli ^^' |
| 16:41.00 | Includes08 | putting it in a bash script and it doesn't work |
| 16:41.00 | jelly | Includes08: try to escape them, prefix each with \ |
| 16:41.46 | Includes08 | so one \ before the quotation and one \ before the end of the last quotation? |
| 16:41.55 | jelly | one \ before each " |
| 16:42.07 | jelly | insude top_left=" ... " |
| 16:42.08 | Includes08 | top_left="screen -dmS top_left sh -g -c 'omxplayer --win \"0 0 960 540\" \"rtsp://admin:pass@10.0.2.159:554/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=2\" -b --live '"; |
| 16:42.15 | jelly | right |
| 16:42.19 | Includes08 | :D |
| 16:42.23 | Includes08 | lemme try |
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| 16:42.42 | jelly | why are you putting a command into that variable, tho |
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| 16:43.07 | jelly | and why are you using sh -c instead of calling the player directly |
| 16:43.34 | Includes08 | no clue copy and paste from a old script ^^' |
| 16:43.48 | jelly | and what does sh -g do? |
| 16:43.54 | petn-randall | jelly: sh -c "$( eval "$( omxplayer )" )" |
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| 16:44.04 | jelly | no, that's yesterday |
| 16:44.07 | Includes08 | -g creates logs |
| 16:44.21 | jelly | Includes08: in which sh implementation? |
| 16:44.31 | Includes08 | how you mean jelly |
| 16:44.55 | jelly | Debian's default /bin/sh, dash, does not have -g |
| 16:45.13 | Includes08 | oh fuck |
| 16:45.16 | Includes08 | wrong placement |
| 16:45.31 | Includes08 | should've been behind omxplayer |
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| 16:45.58 | jelly | and how get rid of sh -c |
| 16:46.01 | jelly | now* |
| 16:46.11 | Includes08 | already did :P |
| 16:46.14 | jelly | and just run the command in screen |
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| 16:46.57 | jelly | and then you can use '' instead of "" and avoid any escaping |
| 16:47.26 | Includes08 | you want me to paste the whole script? so you can have a look at all the mistakes :P |
| 16:47.30 | eraserpencil | hi! can I refer anyone reading to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=818792 |
| 16:47.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/818792 in qa.debian.org (open, newcomer): «qa.debian.org: improve license rendering»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-03-20; last modified: 2016-03-20. |
| 16:47.33 | Includes08 | in a pastebin offc |
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| 16:48.06 | grobi | hello trying out youtoube-dl i got: Your copy of avconv is outdated and unable to properly mux separate video and audio files, youtube-dl will download single file media. Update avconv to version 10-0 or newer to fix this. |
| 16:48.34 | grobi | my pkges under stretch are up to date |
| 16:48.39 | eraserpencil | the links dont seem to correspond to what was reported |
| 16:48.47 | grobi | what can i do |
| 16:48.51 | mefistofeles | ,v avconv |
| 16:48.52 | judd | No package named 'avconv' was found in amd64. |
| 16:48.58 | jelly | grobi: maybe get rid of avconv and let it use ffmpeg if possible? |
| 16:49.08 | jelly | ,file bin/avconv |
| 16:49.12 | judd | Search for bin/avconv in stretch/amd64: libav-tools: usr/bin/avconv |
| 16:49.20 | grobi | ah i try and come back |
| 16:49.39 | jelly | ,v youtube-dl |
| 16:49.41 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2017.05.18.1-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; buster: 2018.04.25-1; sid: 2018.04.25-1; buster-multimedia: 2018.06.04-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2018.06.14-dmo1 |
| 16:49.53 | jelly | oh that crap is so old |
| 16:50.35 | jelly | (it's not hard to backport, or just use upstream's self-updating bundle) |
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| 16:52.11 | grobi | only /usr/bin/avconv |
| 16:52.31 | Includes08 | jelly, https://pastebin.com/Ez046XXV |
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| 16:53.53 | Includes08 | jelly, if i use the command like this in terminal it works |
| 16:53.53 | Includes08 | sh -c 'omxplayer --win "0 0 960 540" "rtsp://admin:*******@10.0.2.161:554/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=2" -b --live ' |
| 16:54.03 | Includes08 | its just purely that it doesn't work in bash :( |
| 16:54.36 | greycat | "in terminal" is most likely bash, unless you switched shell |
| 16:54.40 | jelly | eval eval '$'$i |
| 16:54.50 | greycat | of course you're explicitly calling sh, so it's really an sh command you're running |
| 16:54.53 | jelly | quietly steps back |
| 16:54.58 | grobi | its version 2017.o5.18 1-1 |
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| 16:55.31 | greycat | I have no idea WHY you're running sh -c '...' unless you switched shell to tcsh or something |
| 16:56.06 | jelly | Includes08: it ought to work without sh -c then. omxplayer --win '0 0 960 540' 'rtsp://admin:hunter2@10.0.2.161:554/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=2' -b --live |
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| 16:56.27 | greycat | There's got to be more to the question that he isn't showing us. |
| 16:56.43 | greycat | Like, probably some part of that command is meant to come out of a variable, and he didn't bother mentioning that little fact. |
| 16:56.44 | jelly | yes, the init script in the pastebin does some more |
| 16:57.00 | Includes08 | there is not greycat thats just a copy paste and a little fix from the internet xD |
| 16:57.29 | Includes08 | forgot to edit that |
| 16:57.39 | Includes08 | omxplayer --win "0 0 960 540" "rtsp://admin:****@10.0.2.161:554/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=2" -b --live |
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| 16:57.41 | Includes08 | it works like that too :) |
| 16:57.44 | jelly | like setting up 4 streams from 4 cams each in a separate detached screen and code to try check and restart missing ones |
| 16:58.15 | jelly | and it's not indented at all so I'm unable to read it right now |
| 16:58.23 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 16:58.24 | Includes08 | i already changed that in the init as jelly told me i just forgot my shell command |
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| 16:59.21 | Includes08 | ill make another pastebin jelly greycat with my problem and how it solved ^^' |
| 16:59.44 | greycat | If there's no more problem then dont bother. |
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| 17:00.28 | Includes08 | greycat, but there is a problem its the script that doesn't work |
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| 17:03.20 | grobi | jelly you mean to delet /usr/bin/avconv and try : $ youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch\?v\=X3lNW-X3Q5w | avplay - again? |
| 17:03.46 | jelly | grobi: what are you really trying to do with yt-dl there? |
| 17:04.06 | Includes08 | nvm thanks jelly and greycat :D you guys did help me i fucked up i forgot to remove the quotations |
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| 17:04.23 | grobi | try to watch video with avplay before download |
| 17:04.52 | jelly | grobi: install mpv, give it the URL directly, it will call youtube-dl on its own automagically |
| 17:04.56 | grobi | it actually worked 1 time and now it dont |
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| 17:05.22 | Chinesium | How exactly does one make a debian package? |
| 17:05.34 | grobi | mpv = mplayer? |
| 17:05.39 | greycat | ',info mpv |
| 17:05.39 | jelly | no, mpv = mpv |
| 17:05.40 | Chinesium | I'd like to make https://github.com/f1xpl/aasdk/wiki/Build-instructions installable without having to compile very time |
| 17:05.42 | greycat | ,info mpv |
| 17:05.43 | judd | Package mpv (video, optional) in stretch/amd64: video player based on MPlayer/mplayer2. Version: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; Size: 855.4k; Installed: 2166k; Homepage: https://mpv.io/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/mpv |
| 17:05.47 | jelly | it's a fork of a fork of mplayer |
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| 17:06.14 | grobi | ok i try |
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| 17:08.03 | grobi | jelly same warning as before |
| 17:08.21 | jelly | grobi: it does not work? |
| 17:08.48 | grobi | not with the command |
| 17:08.54 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 17:08.54 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 17:09.53 | jelly | grobi: which debian release is this? |
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| 17:11.14 | grobi | you mean exactly??? how was the command for asking version? |
| 17:11.27 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:11.31 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 17:11.31 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 17:12.27 | jelly | I have old yt-dl from stretch package here, and mpv from stretch as well, and doing "mpv https://www.youtube.com/watch\?v\=X3lNW-X3Q5w" never calls avconv |
| 17:12.30 | grobi | its 9.4 |
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| 17:12.52 | jelly | (verified with strace -f -eexecve mpv ...) |
| 17:13.06 | grobi | mpv is workin with normal files |
| 17:13.07 | jelly | also, it works |
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| 17:13.58 | galex-713 | Hi |
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| 17:14.14 | galex-713 | How can I get errors and warnings from gcc translated into my locale? |
| 17:14.19 | galex-713 | is there a package for that? |
| 17:14.31 | galex-713 | or are they just untranslated strings from the gcc project? |
| 17:14.32 | jelly | grobi: go install ffmpeg and remopve libav-tools, and see if there's a difference |
| 17:15.35 | c-c | I just realized my sources.list uses 'http' protocol. Should one use 'https' in 2018? |
| 17:15.42 | greycat | No. |
| 17:15.54 | greycat | https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ |
| 17:16.11 | c-c | Hey thats kind of you to help 8) |
| 17:16.29 | jelly | and now I'm watching a video of someone else watching a video on youtube with mpv on youtube with mpv |
| 17:16.34 | blackflow | lol a gpl3 site! |
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| 17:19.11 | jelly | galex-713: first, verify LANG or LC_MESSAGES (or LC_ALL, but you probably should avoid using that one) env.var. is set to desired locale, if it is, then you're probably hitting stuff that is not translated |
| 17:19.26 | galex-713 | ah :/ |
| 17:19.27 | grobi | so without deleting libav-tools and with $ mpv https://www.youtube.com/watch\?v\=X3lNW-X3Q5w movie was running but there was in red: [ffmpeg] tls: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated. |
| 17:19.37 | jelly | grobi: so it works? |
| 17:19.42 | c-c | greycat: do you know of an attack in the wild that uses apt transport as vector? |
| 17:19.46 | grobi | now i remove and try again |
| 17:19.48 | jelly | grobi: that warning is fine. |
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| 17:20.08 | grobi | ah ok then i keep libav |
| 17:20.17 | c-c | hello jim |
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| 17:20.18 | jelly | you can ignore it, happens always, google is doing things with their TLS. |
| 17:20.27 | grobi | thank you jelly |
| 17:20.41 | Trel | On a fresh install of debian (stretch), does fstab include acl for mount options? |
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| 17:20.51 | jim | c-c, hi |
| 17:20.53 | greycat | wooledg:~$ grep acl /etc/fstab |
| 17:20.53 | greycat | wooledg:~$ |
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| 17:21.14 | Trel | Thanks |
| 17:21.17 | jelly | grobi: ffmpeg is probably better maintained upstream these days compared to libav, but if you need libav, sure, keep it |
| 17:21.43 | greycat | "I did something involving youtube and there was only 1 warning, what's wrong?" |
| 17:22.16 | jim | c-c, just came back from rebooting into an rt kernel |
| 17:22.17 | Includes08 | hmm weird my update-rc.d service is enabled and set as defaults and in rc2 but yet doesn't start when the os is loaded. |
| 17:22.18 | Trel | What's wrong is obviously you did 2>/dev/null :p |
| 17:22.19 | grobi | i ask my self if youtube-dl will work correct for download |
| 17:22.20 | jim | seems ok |
| 17:22.31 | jelly | grobi: also that video was mute for me. |
| 17:22.45 | greycat | Includes08: what version of Debian, and what does ls -ld /sbin/init tell you? |
| 17:22.55 | jim | grobi, did yourself reply? |
| 17:22.57 | grobi | right for me too |
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| 17:23.16 | Includes08 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Dec 3 2017 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd |
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| 17:23.31 | jelly | grobi: but mpv https://www.youtube.com/watch\?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 wasn't |
| 17:23.46 | greycat | Includes08: so, if your system is using a systemd unit file, then anything you do with update-rc.d is irrelevant |
| 17:23.48 | Includes08 | Raspbian GNU/Linux 9 greycat |
| 17:23.48 | jim | grobi, mainly you have to keep it uptodate (because it's basically a fight between reverse engineers and youtube) |
| 17:23.54 | greycat | Includes08: the .... FUCK! |
| 17:23.54 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 17:23.55 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:24.23 | grobi | itry download with yt-dl later |
| 17:24.31 | greycat | init scripts from a foreign OS are *DEFINITELY* something we can't support |
| 17:24.34 | Includes08 | :P yeh don't blame me, people are just unresponsive in #raspbian its basically the same |
| 17:24.43 | grobi | well tjis sounds funny ;)))) |
| 17:24.44 | Includes08 | okay :) then for the init i will run towards them :p |
| 17:24.51 | greycat | 13:24 Ignoring ALL from Includes08 |
| 17:25.00 | jelly | Includes08: and it's basically the same people, too |
| 17:25.17 | Includes08 | don't ignore me fully :O i still chat here for debian stuff to ^^ |
| 17:25.21 | jelly | except those willing to deal with raspbian are in the other channel |
| 17:25.36 | jelly | willing to answer there |
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| 17:27.19 | Includes08 | posted now we wait a few hours :P |
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| 17:29.15 | annadane | there's also mailing lists, forums etc |
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| 17:35.29 | grobi | jelly? |
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| 17:36.26 | jelly | yes |
| 17:36.35 | grobi | iwould it be possible to start videos from links-browser into mpv? |
| 17:36.46 | jelly | probably |
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| 17:37.36 | grobi | can i combine that command by clicking a link directly? |
| 17:37.43 | jelly | no idea, never tried using links seriously, only when there's no GUI |
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| 17:38.19 | grobi | and w3m? |
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| 17:38.35 | jelly | my favorite is elinks or links |
| 17:38.50 | greycat | uses w3m when he explicitly DOESN'T want videos or other crap |
| 17:38.59 | grobi | lnks is mine aswell |
| 17:39.03 | greycat | if I wanted to see a video, I'd open it in chrome or firefox |
| 17:39.39 | grobi | well yore right ...im just playing... ;) |
| 17:39.49 | jelly | does that make a Mozilla-compatible DOM and javascript, and 90% of sites today, crap |
| 17:40.21 | greycat | 90% of sites are crap, but that didn't just start today |
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| 17:42.54 | jhutchins_wk | Sturgeon's law... |
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| 17:44.38 | jelly | Chinesium: there's a packaging guide but I'm not sure how well it covers cmake builds /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 17:46.16 | Chinesium | jelly: It's above my skill level I think |
| 17:47.12 | mnuhmnuh | if I wanted to see a video, i'd youtube-dl it, and vlc. |
| 17:49.45 | dgp | I would just watch it on youtube and let ublock deal with the crap |
| 17:50.07 | greycat | that's what I do, too |
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| 18:05.19 | c-c | So, I want to add a js-script to my path. A .js file thats executed with node.js and starts with "#!/usr/bin/env node". Whats the right way to do this? Just add the script dir (say, '~/foojs/bin') to $PATH? |
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| 18:05.38 | srged | my wifi connection drops often and wicd reconnects after a long time, how do i lower the reconnect time ? |
| 18:05.43 | c-c | *Hm or just add export to path at the end of .bashrc? |
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| 18:07.33 | jhutchin1_wk | srged: You might find that Network Manager works better for you. |
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| 18:18.04 | ksk | c-c: there are multiple way. you could paste it to /usr/local/bin, add an alias in your bashrc, add a $PATH in your bashrc, really kind of depends on how you want it to be available on the system |
| 18:18.25 | c-c | Oh well I think I will 1) make a ~/bin, 2) symbolic link from ~/bin to script $ ln -s ~/foojs/bin ~/bin, 3) echo "export PATH=$PATH:~/bin" >> ~/.bashrc |
| 18:18.36 | c-c | How do you like me now? 8) |
| 18:18.52 | c-c | hopes that doesn't contain typos |
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| 18:23.01 | c-c | I'm doing this to test yarn |
| 18:25.37 | c-c | The funniest thing is I installed nodejs using nvm, installed with a creationix install script, then installed yarn using the yarn project repositories and apt, and in the process yarn installed nodejs from the apt repositories B) |
| 18:26.06 | das_j | Umm, I'm currently trying to run pbuilder-dist in Docker. It successfully bootstraps stage 2, but then logs: "I: Base system installed successfully.\nE: qemu-debootstrap failed" - What? I checked the relevant tools, but couldn't find the source of this message. Has anyone had this problem before? |
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| 18:45.19 | jak2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.23 | jak2000 | Java program |
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| 18:46.28 | Walakea | there is a typo: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/qterminal : "lightwight" |
| 18:47.25 | jim | jak2000, can you telnet (that machine) 25? |
| 18:47.53 | annadane | Walakea, you should file a bug report... i'm not sure what it gets filed against though, maybe debian-www? |
| 18:48.03 | jak2000 | jim? server (where program is running) or firewall? |
| 18:49.41 | Walakea | annadane: i don't really want to, i was just randomly browsing |
| 18:50.17 | annadane | fair enough, i'll do it |
| 18:50.50 | jim | jak2000, is the machine where this program is running, a remote? or is it in the same room with you? |
| 18:51.00 | dgp | jak2000: If you can't get any better if out of the program itself try using TLS dump to see if it's actually connecting |
| 18:51.00 | jak2000 | same rom as me... |
| 18:51.15 | dgp | jak2000: google might be refusing to take email from you |
| 18:51.17 | jim | ok, is it running an MTA? |
| 18:51.24 | greycat | Or tell the java program to deliver mail to your local MTA like a normal program instead of contacting gmail.com directly. |
| 18:51.25 | jak2000 | same lan, i run my program on my laptop for testing purposes and here can send.... |
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| 18:51.39 | greycat | Then have your local MTA deliver through gmail if that's what you have to do for some ungodly reason. |
| 18:51.40 | jak2000 | same configuration... |
| 18:51.58 | greycat | I couldn't even tell if that was a delivery TO a gmail.com address, or an attempt to use gmail.com as a relay. |
| 18:52.22 | greycat | The fact that it used port 587 instead of 25 isn't helping me. |
| 18:53.09 | jak2000 | greycat i am confused: from ip 1.148 cant send but from my laptop 1.59 yes |
| 18:53.23 | greycat | Are you sending TO someone@gmail.com? |
| 18:53.47 | jak2000 | ot |
| 18:54.10 | jak2000 | i send email from: myaccount@gmail.com to anyaccount@mydomain.com here mydomain is here in same LAN... |
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| 18:54.29 | greycat | If you're... what... |
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| 18:54.40 | greycat | waits for jelly to wake up and decipher this |
| 18:55.31 | greycat | At this point the only GUESS i can proffer is "my java application is trying to generate email and I want that email to APPEAR as though it came from gmail so I am spoofing the sender and the From: and so on, and then relaying it through gmail's SMTP server" |
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| 18:56.09 | greycat | At which point any success would be the surprise result. |
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| 19:00.05 | ytrezq | petn-randall: debian developers have the correct environment for doing it without errors |
| 19:00.38 | ytrezq | I mean they can compile it |
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| 19:00.52 | jak2000 | greycat found the error |
| 19:00.56 | ytrezq | but me I donât have access to Debian compile servers |
| 19:00.57 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/1029268/ line 41' |
| 19:03.04 | greycat | "something in the java program" |
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| 19:04.25 | Blueeyez | I have installed Debian with no DE. The debian installaer is with non-free. How do i connect to a wifi network? Is it possible? |
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| 19:05.39 | LtL | Blueeyez: nmcli, if it doesn't pull in a DE. |
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| 19:06.32 | Blueeyez | LtL nmcli command not found |
| 19:06.43 | LtL | Blueeyez: thats cli for network-manager, i'd have to chk if that has massive dependencies |
| 19:07.06 | LtL | Blueeyez: wuh, its not installed sir' |
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| 19:07.21 | Blueeyez | am i lost or can i still get on wifi then? |
| 19:07.38 | LtL | Blueeyez: caution installing may pull in a DE |
| 19:07.38 | ESphynx | hi guys, so we have our package getting kicked out of Testing today, how bad is that? we don't really want to have it excluded from the release |
| 19:07.46 | ESphynx | when |
| 19:07.52 | ESphynx | when's the freeze happening? |
| 19:08.40 | Blueeyez | LtL if im without wifi and usd a net installer, can i then get on wifi without nmcli? |
| 19:08.52 | annadane | i believe hard freeze is supposed to be... march 2019? |
| 19:08.59 | annadane | there was an email about this |
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| 19:09.21 | annadane | which i probably won't be able to find |
| 19:09.30 | annadane | lemme ask #debian-release |
| 19:10.07 | LtL | Blueeyez: Blueeyez no, you'll need to get the driver on separate media first |
| 19:10.23 | JyZyXEL | ESphynx: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html |
| 19:10.25 | Blueeyez | i think the driver is installed |
| 19:10.51 | Blueeyez | i just dont have nmcli |
| 19:10.59 | Blueeyez | wpa_supplicant is there |
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| 19:11.39 | annadane | ESphynx, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html |
| 19:12.11 | LtL | Blueeyez: run 'dmesg |grep firmware ; check for missing firmware. you should have net |
| 19:12.36 | annadane | ESphynx, https://release.debian.org/ also has that info |
| 19:12.46 | LtL | Blueeyez: I'M not sure what you installed in the first place |
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| 19:13.04 | Blueeyez | LtL just basic debian (I selected nothing) |
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| 19:14.30 | Blueeyez | LtL seems dmesg isnt installed |
| 19:15.31 | greycat | unlikely. |
| 19:15.49 | LtL | Blueeyez: thats seem,s unlikely but in any case, do you need a DE |
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| 19:16.11 | greycat | it's in a package with Priority: required and Essential: yes |
| 19:16.19 | Blueeyez | not at this point, now i just need wifi.. but i dont know if i can connect to a wifi |
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| 19:16.43 | Blueeyez | or how to connect to a wifi |
| 19:16.49 | Blueeyez | without nmcli |
| 19:17.13 | LtL | Blueeyez: try iwconfig ; iwlist etc. do you have net now on that box? |
| 19:18.16 | pentiumone133 | hello. i would like a simple way to monitor container ram usage over time. is there a simple pre built thing that i can use for this ? |
| 19:18.23 | pentiumone133 | docker stats but historically |
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| 19:19.02 | Blueeyez | LtL, i tried iwconfig : iwlist but not connected, but i get some output |
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| 19:19.58 | LtL | Blueeyez: seems nmcli doesnt exist. anyway, can you ping anything? |
| 19:20.48 | Blueeyez | cant ping LtL |
| 19:21.01 | LtL | Blueeyez: run ip addr |
| 19:21.02 | Blueeyez | not sure if my router allows local pings |
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| 19:21.13 | pentiumone133 | crap sorry this is debian not docker |
| 19:22.18 | Blueeyez | LtL yes i see 2 devies and one of them is my wifi card (No lan port) |
| 19:22.39 | Blueeyez | wlp3s0 i think |
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| 19:24.01 | nymb242 | hello, not sure if anyone remembers me from last week.. |
| 19:24.16 | nymb242 | I finally got my desktop environment up and running |
| 19:24.20 | annadane | \o/ |
| 19:24.27 | nymb242 | \o/ |
| 19:24.36 | nymb242 | However, I'm still a complete linux noob |
| 19:25.00 | nymb242 | so still a few things to do |
| 19:25.04 | nymb242 | first, I need to set up ftp |
| 19:25.07 | jhutchins_wk | Blueeyez: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:25.14 | ESphynx | so no crazy impossibilities for the package getting back in for the release then :) |
| 19:25.22 | jhutchins_wk | Blueeyez: I think there's something about manual configuration there. |
| 19:25.44 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: No you don't. |
| 19:26.34 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: You need to use sftp, which is probably alredy set up because you have ssh. |
| 19:26.37 | Blueeyez | LtL u there? |
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| 19:26.47 | nymb242 | ok.. |
| 19:27.07 | Blueeyez | jhutchins_wk yea, but howto? |
| 19:28.04 | jhutchins_wk | Blueeyez: Look at that wiki page. |
| 19:28.18 | LtL | Blueeyez: try as root 'ip link set interface up' inerface being wlp3s0 or whatever |
| 19:29.07 | LtL | Blueeyez: then ping somebody. we need dmesg output btw |
| 19:30.07 | nymb242 | I'm trying to get it to work with filezilla (ultimately I want to use smartftp). This would be to ftp from my local computer to the server. |
| 19:30.33 | LtL | Blueeyez: does 'ip a' show a inet address on wlp*? |
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| 19:31.31 | nymb242 | I did install/set up vsftpd on the server |
| 19:31.36 | jhutchins_wk | nymb242: Use ssh/scp/rsync |
| 19:31.40 | Blueeyez | no inet address on the wifi i belive.. |
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| 19:32.10 | Blueeyez | but on lo there is (127.0.0.1) (My own machine) |
| 19:33.06 | LtL | Blueeyez: dmesg |grep firmware spell it right please |
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| 19:35.14 | AdamDay73 | Do you know of a webmail client that has a better search function than roundcube? I'm getting complaints that our mail system isn't google basically :/ |
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| 19:36.57 | Blueeyez | LtL what info you need? |
| 19:37.03 | Blueeyez | got 5 lines :-) |
| 19:37.14 | LtL | Blueeyez: are you missing firmware? |
| 19:37.29 | Blueeyez | dosent look like |
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| 19:37.52 | Blueeyez | line 2 says something with loaded firmware |
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| 19:41.55 | LtL | Blueeyez: run 'dmesg' near the end look for a 'wlp3s0: associated' |
| 19:42.33 | LtL | Blueeyez: you can find the rest here, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 19:42.54 | LtL | Blueeyez: g'lusk gtg really |
| 19:43.05 | LtL | *luck |
| 19:43.32 | Blueeyez | thanks LtL thanks for the help :-) |
| 19:44.26 | nymb242 | Ok, next thing I'm not getting a handle on yet is installing apps |
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| 19:45.23 | nymb242 | For instance, say I wanted to install jdownloader. They have a linux version, but I'm not sure how to actually install it. |
| 19:45.47 | greycat | If it's not packaged by Debian, then you follow whatever the instructions are for the upstream releases/snapshots/whatever. |
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| 19:46.32 | greycat | Which could be practically anything. Like "copy this file into your ~/bin and then run it". Or "extract this tar.gz archive in /opt and then set up symlinks". Or "extract this .tar.gz and then run ./configure; make; sudo make install". |
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| 19:47.27 | greycat | Sometimes even crazier shit, like "running this script modifies your ~/.bashrc to create a bunch of new functions that only work in your interactive shell". |
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| 19:47.32 | AdamDay73 | always see if a have a deb file first, if so, it's just like dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb |
| 19:47.49 | greycat | In some cases I'd trust the random crazy manual steps over a third party .deb file. |
| 19:47.52 | greycat | Depends on the party. |
| 19:47.59 | AdamDay73 | yeah |
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| 19:48.39 | AdamDay73 | compiling from source is always fun, tracking down needed library development packages... then you find out it was built upon old libraries or libraries that are newer than in the repo... |
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| 19:49.11 | AdamDay73 | then it turns into a whole rabbit hole |
| 19:49.20 | greycat | been there, done that |
| 19:50.29 | AdamDay73 | and you are almost always going in blind to what dev packages you need to compile it, so you run ./configure a hundred times and wait for the next error to show what you are missing XD |
| 19:50.40 | nymb242 | basically it's just a file called JD2Setup_x64.sh |
| 19:50.57 | greycat | sometimes the README or INSTALL file mentions some of the lib dependencies |
| 19:51.18 | greycat | nymb242: well, read it and see what it does, or at least what the comments claim it does... |
| 19:51.30 | AdamDay73 | nymb242: [as super user] sh JD2Setup_x64.sh |
| 19:51.46 | greycat | IF it seems safe to run, then maybe do what AdamDay73 said. |
| 19:51.49 | AdamDay73 | but, I would read the friendly install guide to make sure if there is one |
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| 19:52.05 | AdamDay73 | it might not need su |
| 19:52.09 | greycat | yeah |
| 19:52.57 | nymb242 | Yeah, I don't see any instructions. lol |
| 19:53.09 | greycat | where did you get the .sh file? |
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| 19:54.04 | nymb242 | http://jdownloader.org/download/index |
| 19:54.09 | AdamDay73 | some places don't give install guides, they just assume you know what to do with an sh installer... like... gog.com... |
| 19:54.43 | nymb242 | yeah, not good for a complete noob like me. :P |
| 19:55.05 | greycat | And it just gives you a raw .sh file with no instructions? Well then you're back to "read it and see what it does, or what its comments say". |
| 19:55.09 | AdamDay73 | (does debian use sudo by default?) |
| 19:55.14 | greycat | no |
| 19:55.20 | Tegu | or "install exactly ubuntu 12.04 and these and these libs ad run these commands" |
| 19:55.21 | AdamDay73 | (didn't think so) |
| 19:55.30 | Tegu | oops, ai ws in the backl8g |
| 19:55.42 | greycat | still a valid data point |
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| 19:55.51 | annadane | sudo isn't even installed by default |
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| 19:56.19 | AdamDay73 | it's been a while, I use raspbian/elementary os/ubuntu server :/ |
| 19:56.19 | jake9 | hi , i have problem with unzipping https://pastebin.com/kmqJnLYV |
| 19:57.29 | annadane | in general, in future consider using paste.debian.net and not pastebin.com |
| 19:57.35 | annadane | !tell jake9 about pastebin.com |
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| 19:58.32 | annadane | and also you don't really need to be root to zip/unzip |
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| 19:58.56 | greycat | unless you're trying to unzip into a place that only root can write to |
| 19:59.08 | jake9 | http://paste.debian.net/1029278/ |
| 19:59.08 | AdamDay73 | So, I am kinda super lazy and use mc to do all my archive extractions :/ |
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| 20:01.43 | jake9 | so how can i solve the problem |
| 20:03.41 | AdamDay73 | what exactly is the problem jake9? |
| 20:03.44 | AdamDay73 | bare with me |
| 20:03.49 | galex-713 | !tell galex-713 about pastebin.com |
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| 20:04.07 | galex-713 | oh okay |
| 20:04.12 | jake9 | AdamDay73: i cant extract the file correctly |
| 20:04.19 | jelly | !tell galex-713 about msg the bot |
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| 20:04.42 | galex-713 | how foolish am I |
| 20:04.52 | greycat | What kind of file is it? What kind of archive is inside it? Does it create a subdir of its own, or spam the current directory with files? Where are you trying to extract it? |
| 20:04.53 | galex-713 | thank you for rememering me, and sorry |
| 20:05.07 | AdamDay73 | jake9: do other zip files do the same thing? |
| 20:05.31 | annadane | this rabbit hole doesn't end, does it? |
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| 20:05.35 | annadane | tell jelly about ... |
| 20:05.38 | jake9 | AdamDay73: i need to extract the things inside it :) |
| 20:05.51 | jelly | jake9: that pastebin does not actually show any problem |
| 20:06.05 | jelly | how does unpacking fail? |
| 20:06.50 | jake9 | its give you 82% only |
| 20:07.04 | jake9 | bad CRC 23c57adf (should be ada1588a) |
| 20:07.08 | AdamDay73 | ahh |
| 20:07.10 | AdamDay73 | bad download |
| 20:07.11 | greycat | Then the file is corrupted. Re-download it. |
| 20:07.13 | AdamDay73 | :) |
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| 20:07.16 | jake9 | i did |
| 20:07.17 | jake9 | :D |
| 20:07.24 | AdamDay73 | umm, bad file on server |
| 20:07.30 | jake9 | its a homework btw |
| 20:07.38 | AdamDay73 | crc = corrupt |
| 20:07.53 | jelly | or there's a proxy between you and the server eating some bits in the file |
| 20:07.58 | annadane | homework will forever be corrupt, that doesn't change until you leave school |
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| 20:08.08 | AdamDay73 | XD |
| 20:08.09 | greycat | or you ran out of quota/diskspace during the download and have only part of the file |
| 20:08.27 | jake9 | annadane: the curropt is the part of the hw |
| 20:08.31 | jelly | unzip would fail completely in that case, zip has index at the end |
| 20:08.47 | jake9 | what is want it unzip it correctly to done it |
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| 20:09.06 | greycat | If the file is corrupt on the server, there is nothing we can do. |
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| 20:09.20 | AdamDay73 | that's the server's fault, not debian's :( |
| 20:09.29 | AdamDay73 | you will have to get with the server's administrator |
| 20:09.48 | jelly | maybe the homework IS to manually fix the zip file |
| 20:09.51 | jake9 | is there any way to fix it? |
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| 20:09.59 | greycat | You ... didn't download it by FTP in "ascii mode", did you? No? Good. |
| 20:10.01 | jake9 | jelly: the homework wants me to fix it |
| 20:10.11 | annadane | ...oh |
| 20:10.14 | greycat | jake9: *plonk* |
| 20:10.16 | jelly | jake9: then you're asking us to do your homework? |
| 20:10.16 | annadane | it's one of THOSE. |
| 20:10.24 | AdamDay73 | oh, so we are doing your homework XD |
| 20:10.27 | jake9 | im not asking you to do it |
| 20:10.33 | jake9 | im asking about this error |
| 20:10.41 | jake9 | its my first tme hear it |
| 20:10.44 | jake9 | time |
| 20:10.55 | jelly | jake9: is the error supposed to happen? |
| 20:11.05 | wonderer | hi, can anyone can help with this post? https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2140751-apache-rewrite-rule-not-working-when-trying-to-block-site-ru-spam-referrers?page=1#entry-7776068 |
| 20:11.08 | AdamDay73 | well, at it is okay to cheat and ask questions in real life, so it's all meh |
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| 20:12.12 | AdamDay73 | jake9: https://superuser.com/questions/23290/terminal-tool-linux-for-repair-corrupted-zip-files |
| 20:12.20 | greycat | He could have at least NOT WASTED OUR FUCKING TIME by pretending this was an actual problem he was having. |
| 20:12.33 | AdamDay73 | yeah, that was a 2 second google search :/ |
| 20:12.40 | AdamDay73 | no one teaches google fu anymore |
| 20:12.40 | greycat | If he had started out "This is a homework I have a corrupted .zip file and I am supposed to fix it" ... |
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| 20:13.18 | jelly | greycat: OTOH if people knew how to ask the right questions they'd probably be able to google the answer |
| 20:13.27 | AdamDay73 | ^_^ |
| 20:13.36 | jelly | but wasting time, yes |
| 20:13.47 | greycat | How hard is it to write a simple declarative sentence in your native language, run it through google translate into English, and then paste that? |
| 20:13.55 | annadane | except that google now routinely ignores your specific search but anyway i digress |
| 20:14.12 | annadane | "how to fix debian?" "did you mean, how to shop for debian products?" |
| 20:14.19 | AdamDay73 | YES |
| 20:14.21 | jelly | very hard. People write essays about asking smart questions! |
| 20:14.23 | AdamDay73 | I want some of those NAO |
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| 20:14.48 | AdamDay73 | buys a bunch of debian hoodies |
| 20:15.02 | jake9 | AdamDay73: not helpful link |
| 20:15.08 | greycat | I actually have some OpenBSD tshirts. |
| 20:15.10 | AdamDay73 | what... |
| 20:15.13 | AdamDay73 | dude |
| 20:15.28 | AdamDay73 | it tells you in the link what to do... |
| 20:15.31 | AdamDay73 | read it :/ |
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| 20:15.47 | jelly | wonderer: which debian release are you using? Set eg. RewriteLogLevel 3 and a RewriteLog /path/to/rewrite.log and try to figure out what is happening |
| 20:16.32 | wonderer | deb 8 |
| 20:16.52 | jelly | wonder if the point is to zip -F, or do a brute force flip of every bit and see whether a specific bitflip fixes it |
| 20:17.06 | AdamDay73 | zip -FF thecorruptedzip.zip --out new.zip && unzip new.zip |
| 20:17.09 | jelly | we may never know |
| 20:17.37 | annadane | is unzip actually the preferred method for unzipping, i know there's several similar packages |
| 20:17.49 | AdamDay73 | psh, I dunno, I use mc |
| 20:17.52 | jelly | it's the first one to remember |
| 20:17.56 | greycat | If you've been given a .zip file for some reason, unzip is probably the tool of choice. |
| 20:18.07 | greycat | At least it's the one I've always used. |
| 20:18.16 | jelly | sometimes unzip fails if it's a really new .zip and 7z works |
| 20:18.43 | AdamDay73 | 7z is great :) |
| 20:18.54 | annadane | according to dpkg -l *zip* i have in sid, installed: bzip2, gzip, p7zip, p7zip-full, unzip, zip |
| 20:18.58 | jelly | but I honestly haven't seen any of those files in the wild |
| 20:19.09 | annadane | this all comes with task-mate-desktop |
| 20:19.21 | jelly | and half of those do not know how to unpack .zip |
| 20:19.53 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 20:19.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 20:19.55 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 20:19.58 | wonderer | jelly as always thx for valuable advise |
| 20:20.00 | AdamDay73 | I was mind blown they don't teach this stuff in schools. Like kids can't even extract zips on windows or mac even... |
| 20:20.13 | wonderer | will try to save rewrite to log file |
| 20:20.34 | AdamDay73 | like, what do they learn in computer class these days? Oh yeah, how to use a web browser :/ |
| 20:20.50 | nymb242 | that's another thing I'd like to install...7zip |
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| 20:21.10 | Blueeyez | Id imagine they learn how to search youtube videos |
| 20:21.27 | jelly | that's not a computer class, that's basic literacy |
| 20:21.52 | dcpc007_ | hi all, i have debian 9 in fr_FR.UTF-8, but when opening xterm or other via ssh/X11 they are in qwerty even if env guive fr_fr, any idea ? |
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| 20:23.49 | greycat | !keymap |
| 20:23.49 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 20:24.48 | AdamDay73 | good bot :) |
| 20:26.07 | AdamDay73 | I'm using an older mac keyboard and hate having to hit the FN key for the function keys to not be media buttons :/ |
| 20:26.32 | dcpc007_ | thx |
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| 20:28.39 | dcpc007_ | i try |
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| 20:37.53 | dcpc007_ | dkpg-reconf + reboot change nothing |
| 20:39.05 | dcpc007_ | setxkbmap fr && xterm --> again qwerty |
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| 20:39.58 | dcpc007_ | i'll try from another linux VM to see if not a windows client problem |
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| 20:41.46 | dcpc007_ | ok windows problem !!!! |
| 20:41.46 | greycat | *blink* |
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| 20:42.09 | dcpc007_ | i use mobaxterm at work and never had this :-( |
| 20:42.23 | greycat | what in the actual fuck just happened |
| 20:43.06 | greycat | Shit, it does say "via ssh/X11" in the original question. |
| 20:45.22 | dcpc007_ | yes, mobaxterm does ssh + X11 server |
| 20:45.54 | dcpc007_ | (rf forget to mention mobaxterm here :-( ) |
| 20:46.03 | greycat | The !keymap stuff is only for ACTUAL debian machines, like, you are using the debian machine right now, it's in front of you, your fingers are in contact with the keyboard that's actually PLUGGED INTO the debian machine. |
| 20:46.37 | greycat | If the keyboard is plugged into a Windows machine, then the configuration has to be done on the Windows machine. |
| 20:46.46 | dcpc007_ | yes but i was thinking it's about the keybord config on the "server" |
| 20:47.01 | dcpc007_ | not the client i already use at work without this problem |
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| 20:48.34 | dcpc007_ | i force x11 config to FR (was auto) and same .. ok i'll grab a classic putty |
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| 20:50.00 | dcpc007_ | boring, mobaxterm greater then putty for console |
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| 20:51.55 | dcpc007_ | easier windows xserver is xming from memroy ? |
| 20:52.16 | greycat | ask ##windows |
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| 20:54.09 | annadane | fears for greycat's blood pressure |
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| 20:56.32 | dcpc007_ | ok works like a charm with old putty+xming |
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| 20:56.38 | dcpc007_ | GRAAAAAAAAHHHHH |
| 20:56.45 | dcpc007_ | thx for the help |
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| 20:56.54 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | LINUX SUCKS BECAUSE NOTHING WORKS ON THIS SHIT I WILL INSTALL WINDIWS AGAIN AND FUCK LINUX IT SUCKS SO MUCH NOTHING WORKS FUCK HARDWARE NO DRIVERS AT ALL FUCK YOU LINUX I WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR DEVELOPERS YOU FUCKING DISGUSTING LINUX I WILL GO BACK TO WINDOWS IT JUST RUNS FINE AND DOES WHATEVER I NEED NO MORE LINUX IT HAS ALSO RUINED ALL MY DATA FU |
| 20:56.54 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | CK LINUX ALL MY DATA IS GONE FUCK |
| 20:56.56 | dcpc007_ | luckily i don't buy mobaxterm pro |
| 20:56.57 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | LINUX SUCKS BECAUSE NOTHING WORKS ON THIS SHIT I WILL INSTALL WINDIWS AGAIN AND FUCK LINUX IT SUCKS SO MUCH NOTHING WORKS FUCK HARDWARE NO DRIVERS AT ALL FUCK YOU LINUX I WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR DEVELOPERS YOU FUCKING DISGUSTING LINUX I WILL GO BACK TO WINDOWS IT JUST RUNS FINE AND DOES WHATEVER I NEED NO MORE LINUX IT HAS ALSO RUINED ALL MY DATA FU |
| 20:56.57 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | CK LINUX ALL MY DATA IS GONE FUCK |
| 20:56.59 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | LINUX SUCKS BECAUSE NOTHING WORKS ON THIS SHIT I WILL INSTALL WINDIWS AGAIN AND FUCK LINUX IT SUCKS SO MUCH NOTHING WORKS FUCK HARDWARE NO DRIVERS AT ALL FUCK YOU LINUX I WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR DEVELOPERS YOU FUCKING DISGUSTING LINUX I WILL GO BACK TO WINDOWS IT JUST RUNS FINE AND DOES WHATEVER I NEED NO MORE LINUX IT HAS ALSO RUINED ALL MY DATA FU |
| 20:57.10 | dcpc007_ | ???? |
| 20:57.14 | annadane | !next |
| 20:57.15 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 20:57.34 | greycat | sounds like someone bought too-new hardware |
| 20:59.01 | AimHere | greycat, I'll give you 10-1 odds that that guy hasn't tried running Linux at all the last week |
| 20:59.31 | darsie | I did dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update but still get bash: ./xtensa-lx106-elf-gcc: No such file or directory. What else can I do? |
| 20:59.45 | greycat | start by installing libc6:i386 |
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| 20:59.52 | greycat | then do ldd on the program in question and see what else it needs |
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| 21:00.08 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | LINUX SUCKS BECAUSE NOTHING WORKS ON THIS SHIT I WILL INSTALL WINDIWS AGAIN AND FUCK LINUX IT SUCKS SO MUCH NOTHING WORKS FUCK HARDWARE NO DRIVERS AT ALL FUCK YOU LINUX I WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR DEVELOPERS YOU FUCKING DISGUSTING LINUX I WILL GO BACK TO WINDOWS IT JUST RUNS FINE AND DOES WHATEVER I NEED NO MORE LINUX IT HAS ALSO RUINED ALL MY DATA FU |
| 21:00.53 | annadane | have they tried debian, not just "linux"...? |
| 21:01.13 | greycat | they wanted their troll-spam to be as generic as possible so they could flood it into every linux-based-OS channel |
| 21:01.29 | de-facto | when i installed debian i had my sys up and running in two (!) minutes with all the drivers |
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| 21:02.04 | greycat | Hell, it took me more than 2 minutes to get into the god damned UEFI firmware on my most recent installs. |
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| 21:02.40 | greycat | Nothing that could be pressed during POST worked. Had to let it finish the initial windows configuration and then click through windows bullshit menus to get to a place where I could say "restart into the firmware". |
| 21:02.51 | de-facto | on same system i had to fight for 5 hours with windows to convince it to install all the drivers |
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| 21:03.28 | Blueeyez | Just installed debian 9.4 with KDE - Im told kwin has zoom and invert colors and should work out of the box, but dosent here.. someone else here using KDE on Debian? |
| 21:03.32 | greycat | So that I could boot the CD. |
| 21:04.10 | annadane | well, debian stable of course uses an older version of KDE, namely 5.8 |
| 21:04.15 | annadane | are you sure it's meant to work on 5.8? |
| 21:04.32 | Blueeyez | dunno can i switch from terminal to testing or unstable? |
| 21:04.32 | AdamDay73 | oh wow, looks like I missed an angry kid |
| 21:04.46 | annadane | you *can*, if you're ok with occasional breakage |
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| 21:04.55 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | I WILL INSTALL WINDOWS AGAIN BECAUSE THE SHIT WITH LINUX DOESNT WORK BECAUSE IS LINUX IS MADE FOR STUPID _IDIOTS_ AND _BASTARDS_ LIKE YOU *ASSHOLES* I WILL THROW LINUX AWAY BEFORE I WILL *KILL* YOU FUCKING CUNTS ALL MY DATA IS _LOST_ YOU ASSHOLES! |
| 21:05.08 | [operator] | :D |
| 21:05.12 | Blueeyez | lol |
| 21:05.19 | AdamDay73 | o_O |
| 21:05.25 | annadane | my general experience using sid, which i currently run, is that it's fine, but i do have backups and keep a live image |
| 21:05.34 | Blueeyez | well im just interested in getting zoom and invert window/whole screen |
| 21:05.54 | annadane | it's a risk and generally isn't to be recommended in #debian in general terms |
| 21:06.31 | Blueeyez | my next problem then, im used to compizconfig-settings-manager but for some reason i cant set or use keybord shortcuts for its features |
| 21:06.32 | AdamDay73 | sid is the bleeding edge version right? |
| 21:06.38 | greycat | basically, yes |
| 21:06.40 | mquin | it's fine, until it isn't |
| 21:06.48 | mquin | then you get to keep both halves |
| 21:06.55 | annadane | more or less; there's also experimental but experimental packages aren't exactly meant for regular use |
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| 21:07.27 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | LINUX IS MADE JOR ALL DAY MASTURBATING FREAKS LIKE YOU WHO HAVE NO JOB AND ARE LIVING AT YOUR PARENTS WHEN YOU ARE 50 YEARS OLD GET A LIFE YOU FUCKING SHITHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:07.41 | Blueeyez | annadane see here https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?t=110152 |
| 21:08.05 | annadane | from 2013 |
| 21:08.16 | annadane | i'd post an updated thread asking whether you can do it now |
| 21:08.27 | greycat | or ask in #kde |
| 21:08.29 | annadane | and definitely don't switch to testing/sid purely because of that |
| 21:08.31 | [operator] | a synapse going off |
| 21:08.32 | annadane | or ask in #kde |
| 21:08.37 | Blueeyez | ill try #kde :-) |
| 21:08.51 | darsie | greycat: thx |
| 21:08.57 | AdamDay73 | someone figured out how to use a web proxy, such hacker |
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| 21:10.29 | [operator] | a real hacker doesn't delete his own data by mistake, I think. |
| 21:10.35 | AdamDay73 | ikr |
| 21:11.16 | AdamDay73 | biggest thing you do before you do any major changes to a computer... if your data is super important, get a cloud service or at least a usb hard drive :/ |
| 21:11.23 | bites | you know they do it for attention, right? so don't give it to them. |
| 21:11.43 | [operator] | I would forget about the cloud |
| 21:11.54 | [operator] | enough hdd around :D |
| 21:11.55 | AdamDay73 | I love the cloud ^_^ |
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| 21:12.20 | WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | YOUR MOMS PUSSY STINKS SO HARD THAT SHE THINKS YOU HAVE FARTED A LITTLE BIT YOU FUCKING BASTARD [operator] AdamDay73 bites darsie |
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| 21:12.38 | [operator] | mouahhhhhhhhhhhhhhahhahaha |
| 21:12.44 | AdamDay73 | o_O okay lol |
| 21:12.48 | [operator] | That clown :) |
| 21:13.52 | AdamDay73 | I gotta head home, have a good day #debian XD |
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| 21:14.10 | [operator] | the guy doing it is there... |
| 21:14.31 | [operator] | he preparing his flooding phrase by putting our name :) |
| 21:14.46 | abrotman | no need to comment on spam, go on with your life |
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| 21:14.50 | [operator] | an excelent hacker it looks :D |
| 21:14.51 | greycat | Yes, we know. Nothing we can do about it. |
| 21:15.47 | [operator] | I like to comment stupidity |
| 21:15.52 | [operator] | it's my fun |
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| 21:16.04 | abrotman | [operator]: stop, it's annoying |
| 21:16.21 | [operator] | you are annoyed very quickly |
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| 21:20.57 | n3wb33 | hi |
| 21:21.31 | annadane | hi |
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| 22:19.07 | Ouroboros | argh, why did logrotate delete .0 when i have start=1? stupid |
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| 22:30.26 | negatratoron | how do you deselect a package so that it is not explicitly installed, without removing it? |
| 22:30.49 | negatratoron | e.g. in "apt list --installed" how do you change its state from [installed] to [installed,automatic]? |
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| 22:33.18 | abrotman | !unmarkauto |
| 22:33.19 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
| 22:33.30 | abrotman | or vice versa |
| 22:34.32 | negatratoron | unmarkauto isn't an apt command, it's an aptitude command... |
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| 22:35.24 | negatratoron | ah, `apt-mark auto` |
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| 22:38.54 | DIRT | is gallium 9 packaged in mesa for debian? i want to use dx9 pass through for wine |
| 22:39.13 | DIRT | some distros remove it |
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| 22:39.45 | negatratoron | hm, i seem to have circular dependencies between automatic packages and `apt autoremove` won't remove them |
| 22:39.52 | negatratoron | i'm working on a bash script to help prove it |
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| 22:42.09 | DIRT | nvm. found it |
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| 22:44.16 | negatratoron | nvm, there's another explanation other than circular dependencies between automatic packages |
| 22:44.20 | somiaj | DIRT: with stretch it was more it was still experimential at the time of the release and not included due to that. I'm unsure if it will be included with buster or not. |
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| 22:44.58 | jim | DIRT, you can find stuff using apt-cache search (put terms here) |
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| 22:46.03 | somiaj | in this case that most likely won't work, gallium 9 is an extension of mesa, and not its own package. |
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| 22:46.39 | DIRT | yeah. what i found you have to compile it to use it in debian. but mesa is an important part of the system so im not doing that |
| 22:46.40 | somiaj | DIRT: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=863972 -- seems it is only a wishlist for buster |
| 22:46.42 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/863972 in src:mesa (open, patch): «mesa: please enable gallium-nine»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-06-02; last modified: 2017-12-14. |
| 22:47.05 | jim | somiaj, oh? what package is it in? |
| 22:47.14 | somiaj | jim: mesa |
| 22:47.15 | DIRT | hope it gets in |
| 22:47.47 | DIRT | i been using wine-nine for a few years, no real issues just faster dx9 |
| 22:48.01 | somiaj | still kinda a nitch market who use it, and debian may be cautious and not enable it due to the large majoirty won't use it, and it could cause unexpected problems. |
| 22:48.30 | somiaj | sure, but debian suports such a wide variety of archetictures and hardware, it is hard to know what the full impact would be in the debian echosystem. |
| 22:48.43 | DIRT | yeah i woulndt use it for the default wine install. but having it as an option would be nice |
| 22:48.59 | DIRT | two different packages |
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| 22:49.29 | jim | I just did this... "apt-cache search allium", misspelled as you can see... and I got two packages: mesa-va-drivers and mesa-vdpau-drivers |
| 22:49.55 | DIRT | i wouldn't expect it on anything other than x86 and 64 bit |
| 22:50.13 | DIRT | allium? lol |
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| 22:50.31 | jim | yeah I'm running 64 bit |
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| 22:50.55 | DIRT | what do the va drivers do? |
| 22:50.58 | jim | yeah, my key pressing was challenged... |
| 22:51.15 | jim | no idea |
| 22:51.24 | somiaj | note these won't give you gallium 9, look at 'apt show packagename' and you'll see This package enables support for VA-API for some gallium drivers. |
| 22:51.48 | DIRT | some people use the obiaf ppa on debian testing |
| 22:52.02 | DIRT | oibaf |
| 22:52.42 | DIRT | ubuntu doesnt have it either but there is several ppa options |
| 22:54.00 | DIRT | arch just has it |
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| 22:56.09 | DIRT | another question. Is there any debian live iso that have nonfree firmwares for things like wifi? |
| 22:56.55 | DIRT | i see there is a nonfree release but it didnt have the firmware i needed. it just had the repo enabled |
| 22:58.11 | DIRT | lol nvm |
| 22:58.36 | DIRT | it does have firmware just not what i need. |
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| 22:59.37 | DIRT | https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 22:59.44 | DIRT | good documentation |
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| 23:45.29 | taoiseach | I know sometimes debian is just as good |
| 23:47.06 | taoiseach | Gg |
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| 23:49.04 | taoiseach | lol amerikkka |
| 23:49.18 | taoiseach | Gerald clemens |
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| 23:56.28 | abrotman | taoiseach: do you need help with Debian? |
| 23:56.50 | RoyK | taoiseach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM ? |
| 23:57.10 | taoiseach | I am a big fan of Debian....here to offer support...still learning a bit myself |
| 23:57.21 | taoiseach | will ask |
| 23:57.35 | taoiseach | Big fan of fedora |
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| 23:58.06 | abrotman | ? |
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| 23:59.49 | michael2 | taoiseach: does anyone know how to find out what font urxvt has loaded? |
