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| 00:20.49 | SirJls | good evening :) |
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| 00:22.22 | SirJls | I was wondering if there was anybody would could help me with a particulair problem i'm facing... I'm trying to install gtk+-3.0 on a docker container running debian strech-slim, but I get quite a nasy dependency hell... |
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| 00:22.45 | SirJls | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:22.47 | SirJls | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:22.49 | SirJls | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.51 | SirJls | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 00:22.53 | SirJls | Y |
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| 00:24.29 | jim | you might try this... if you have nc installed, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls -CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 00:29.54 | annadane | i think the package name is netcat, not nc |
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| 00:30.24 | jim | I see gtk3 in apt-cache search gtk |
| 00:30.43 | jim | yeah, for nc, the package is netcat as annadane says |
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| 00:31.39 | petn-randall | ,v gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0 |
| 00:31.41 | judd | Package: gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.12-5; jessie: 0.25-1+b1; stretch: 0.33-3.3 |
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| 00:32.09 | petn-randall | SirJls: Seems as though you're trying to mix releases. That is not supported. |
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| 00:32.29 | petn-randall | SirJls: If you think it's a bug in Debian, please provide the following: |
| 00:32.30 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 00:32.30 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 00:35.03 | kittonian | can anyone tell me why when I'm sudo'd to root the global /etc/profile PATH works as it should, but when I sudo su to any other user it does not? |
| 00:35.26 | kittonian | I have a path to postgresql in the /etc/profile file and yet only root gets a valid response when I do a type -a pg_ctl |
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| 00:35.54 | RoyK | sudo -i |
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| 00:38.51 | petn-randall | kittonian: What are you exactly typing? Details matter. |
| 00:39.25 | kittonian | if I sudo to root and type "type -a pg_ctl" it shows me the correct response of where that command exists |
| 00:39.48 | kittonian | if I then sudo su username to any other user and type the same command it says command not found |
| 00:39.51 | petn-randall | kittonian: *How* do you sudo to root? |
| 00:40.03 | petn-randall | What are the exact command you use? |
| 00:40.17 | petn-randall | +s |
| 00:40.20 | kittonian | and I cannot start our calendarserver because any user besides root is not reading the gobal path |
| 00:40.26 | kittonian | forget about sudo'ing to root |
| 00:40.35 | kittonian | I was just explaining what works and what doesn't |
| 00:40.53 | kittonian | just as any normal user, typing type -a pg_ctl says command not found |
| 00:41.14 | kittonian | so the server won't start because it cannot find the postgres commands specified in the global path |
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| 00:41.32 | petn-randall | kittonian: Sure, but you've still not told us how you actually switch users. |
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| 00:42.08 | petn-randall | kittonian: There are ways that preserve ENV, and ways that change it to the one that a logged in user would get. |
| 00:42.52 | kittonian | petn-randall, who cares? |
| 00:43.01 | kittonian | i am not even switching users |
| 00:43.08 | kittonian | it was just an example to explain |
| 00:43.23 | kittonian | even if I login as me and never sudo to root, I get the same issue |
| 00:43.38 | kittonian | entering type -a pg_ctl does not read the global path to find that command |
| 00:44.17 | kittonian | the point is why no other user besides root can see the postgres commands when they are in the global path |
| 00:46.34 | RoyK | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.50 | petn-randall | kittonian: That's likely because pg_ctl does not lie in your $PATH. |
| 00:47.10 | RoyK | or "sudo -i -u postgres", that is |
| 00:47.17 | RoyK | or just "su - postgres" |
| 00:47.23 | RoyK | is tired |
| 00:47.39 | kittonian | petn-randall, but it does. it's in the global /etc/profile path |
| 00:47.40 | kittonian | https://pastebin.com/WtCKd2e0 |
| 00:47.51 | kittonian | that's the output for my user only of a bash -x -l |
| 00:48.07 | kittonian | and RoyK, while I would love to do that, calendarserver is very specific and I cannot |
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| 00:48.58 | RoyK | kittonian: don't you have root on this? |
| 00:49.00 | petn-randall | kittonian: I'm sure the channel can help. Good luck. |
| 00:49.04 | petn-randall | is off to bed. |
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| 00:51.26 | petn-randall | FWIW, pg_ctl is not installed by Debian into any path. So either you're changing PATH for one of your users, or you've got a 3rd party installation. |
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| 00:52.17 | petn-randall | Running `which pg_ctl` as the user that can access it, and then comparing `echo $PATH` of all users should help you finding out what the issue is. |
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| 01:50.05 | yokowka | havenno everysoul!!!! some of you sing dash-to-dock in debian 9 stretch gnome? |
| 01:50.44 | annadane | plenty of people use dash to dock, yes, it's one of the most common extensions |
| 01:51.19 | yokowka | annadane, directly you sing? |
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| 01:51.52 | annadane | not me, no |
| 01:52.04 | annadane | if you have a question about it, you should just ask and someone will get to it |
| 01:52.26 | melissa666 | test |
| 01:52.35 | dvs | !test |
| 01:52.35 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 01:52.40 | annadane | or ask #gnome |
| 01:53.17 | melissa666 | dvs, thanks - sorry lol - was just watching the traffic in wireshark ... should have just used PM :) |
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| 01:56.22 | yokowka | in manual: Installation from source The extension can be installed directly from source, either for the convenience of using git or to test the latest development version. Clone the desired branch with git <pre>git clone https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock.git</pre> or download the branch from github. A simple Makefile is included. Then run <pre>make make install. I've stoped on run make.... terminal says make: *** Ðе Ð·Ð°Ð´Ð°Ð½Ñ |
| 01:56.22 | yokowka | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.15 | annadane | i want to say, instead of make it's better to put it in its own directory |
| 01:58.27 | annadane | but i'm not entirely certain |
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| 01:59.02 | Tom-_ | dpkg, efi |
| 01:59.02 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 02:02.23 | bb36e | Does anyone know if there are plans/a timeline to backport kernel 4.17 to stretch? |
| 02:02.54 | annadane | it first has to get into testing |
| 02:03.37 | annadane | ,kernels |
| 02:03.38 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 02:03.39 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 02:03.46 | annadane | even sid still has 4.16 |
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| 02:05.00 | bb36e | Oof, gotcha. Apparently there's been a bunch of power improvements from 4.10-17, so my laptop will definitely appreciate it when it lands ð |
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| 02:07.36 | csmall | bb36e: I just installed 4.17 and I'm excited to see if it helps my laptop power consumption as well. |
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| 02:18.08 | yokowka | watch you |
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| 02:18.40 | Cthu_ | is apt-get -f upgrade relatively safe for production? |
| 02:18.48 | Cthu_ | after update |
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| 02:19.08 | Cthu_ | looks like it upgrades a ton of my packages |
| 02:19.16 | Cthu_ | haven't done it for years |
| 02:19.18 | annadane | i'd probably think it's fine |
| 02:19.22 | annadane | but get a second opinion |
| 02:19.51 | Cthu_ | how do I check my Debian version and update it? |
| 02:19.58 | annadane | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:20.17 | Cthu_ | I guess it's a good idea to update the OS to avoid security issues. thanks |
| 02:20.33 | annadane | if you're still on jessie and want to upgrade to stretch then read the release notes |
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| 02:21.34 | Cthu_ | I'm on 8.10 |
| 02:21.51 | Cthu_ | I think I'm good |
| 02:21.54 | Cthu_ | or... |
| 02:21.58 | Cthu_ | hell I have no clue |
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| 02:22.16 | annadane | well, full support for jessie ended, but there's still LTS for more server-side packages |
| 02:23.05 | annadane | !lts |
| 02:23.05 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 02:23.22 | Cthu_ | interesting |
| 02:23.26 | annadane | !jessie-lts |
| 02:23.26 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "jessie" from the Debian Security Team will end 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 02:23.45 | annadane | dpkg, no, lts is <reply> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:23.45 | dpkg | annadane: okay |
| 02:23.53 | Cthu_ | how risky is it to update it from 8 to 9? if I use a normal web-stack: LAMP |
| 02:25.22 | Cthu_ | okay |
| 02:25.31 | Cthu_ | is it possible to undo the upgrade? |
| 02:25.33 | Cthu_ | I think not |
| 02:25.37 | annadane | well, it depends on your needs but debian aims to make stable transitions seamless as possible |
| 02:25.41 | Cthu_ | I just dropped my production |
| 02:25.43 | Cthu_ | awesome |
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| 02:26.24 | annadane | um... maybe ctrl + c out of it? i don't know what you did to "upgrade" or what "dropped" means |
| 02:26.57 | annadane | but it really is best to, if you decide to upgrade to the next stable, read the release notes |
| 02:27.57 | annadane | also if your sources list says jessie, apt upgrade won't put you on stretch |
| 02:28.38 | annadane | apt -f upgrade may or may not even be necessary and it's kind of weird to have to do that on debian stable, did you have problems with apt upgrade by itself? |
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| 02:37.15 | limbo_ | install etckeeper |
| 02:37.17 | limbo_ | like, now. |
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| 02:37.59 | limbo_ | It lets you undo anything you did to /etc/ by putting it in a git repo. |
| 02:38.34 | Cthu_ | it's good that I make images |
| 02:38.39 | Cthu_ | well I pay for it |
| 02:38.52 | Cthu_ | I've been pauying for it for more than two years |
| 02:39.03 | Cthu_ | it's the first time I'm restoring from an image |
| 02:39.07 | Cthu_ | like a freaking charm |
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| 02:40.35 | bb36e | I've read too many horror stories about backups to never start a backup system without testing the backups lol |
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| 02:48.05 | Cthu_ | testing backups is a good idea |
| 02:48.13 | Cthu_ | I should've done it before |
| 02:48.26 | Cthu_ | but I'm lucky and it restored exactly what it used to be yesterday |
| 02:48.30 | Cthu_ | didn't lose anything |
| 02:50.06 | Javabean | good backup solution.... which one is it? |
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| 02:51.04 | annadane | pUt It iN tHe ClOuD |
| 02:51.22 | dvs | ...so I can steal it |
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| 02:53.48 | bb36e | cat backup.tgz >> /dev/null, I have an SSD so this is fast |
| 02:54.06 | annadane | why /dev/null? |
| 02:54.56 | Javabean | 100% compression... but decompression is rather tricky |
| 02:55.26 | bb36e | lol |
| 02:55.53 | limbo_ | Write-only filesystem. |
| 02:55.55 | Javabean | seriously, sending things to /dev/null just destroys it |
| 02:56.41 | Cthu_ | I use Wable's VDSes |
| 02:56.51 | Cthu_ | they have their native imaging system |
| 02:56.57 | Cthu_ | I' |
| 02:57.07 | Cthu_ | Im thinking about moving to Amazon though |
| 02:57.12 | Javabean | will have to remember them |
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| 02:57.27 | Javabean | thanks for the information |
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| 02:57.45 | asarch | Is it possible to know the content of a uninstalled package? |
| 02:57.59 | asarch | dpkg -L only works with installed packages |
| 02:57.59 | dpkg | No packages found matching only works with installed packages |
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| 02:59.04 | Javabean | be careful asarch, dpkg is simply a bot. don't start a message with its name |
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| 03:02.46 | asarch | I know. Thank you :-) |
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| 03:08.41 | Nicolas | Hello there. I'm new with emacs, and I'm losing hair. Just too used to work with evil tabs, and (setq-default indent-tabs-mode t) doesn't work :( |
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| 03:09.04 | annadane | Nicolas, try #emacs |
| 03:10.35 | Nicolas | annadane: thanks, I will cheer up |
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| 03:14.39 | tropicat | why is docker command not found\ |
| 03:14.59 | tropicat | I installed the package through apt, and it still says command nount found |
| 03:15.03 | tropicat | when I type: "docker" |
| 03:15.16 | tropicat | same for sudo docker |
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| 03:22.51 | tropicat | don't worry. i figured it out. docker was referring to the wrong program (in this case a GUI app when I wanted the application container) |
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| 03:39.01 | akd | why sometimes do my google do exchange rate sometimes it does not ? |
| 03:39.56 | annadane | that's not really relevant to #debian |
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| 03:42.17 | heston | hello guys, is it fairly normal for stretch to not receive any package updates over the course of about 2 weeks? |
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| 03:43.35 | annadane | i'd say so, but maybe you need to apt update |
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| 03:44.10 | heston | i do before i ever apt upgrade though I mostly use synaptic |
| 03:44.46 | annadane | and subscribe to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org - packages are frozen except security fixes and occasional bug fixes |
| 03:45.40 | heston | ok then, thanks |
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| 03:59.30 | Xavi92 | Hello, I'm trying to install Debian 8 on an AMD K6-II-based laptop |
| 04:00.00 | Xavi92 | Problem is that the installation process always fails when uncompressing the kernel |
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| 04:00.39 | jimm | Xavi92, what is the filename of the installer you're using? |
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| 04:01.05 | jimm | also, is your cpu 32 bit or 64? |
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| 04:01.46 | Xavi92 | firmware-8.10.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:01.49 | Xavi92 | IIRC |
| 04:02.19 | jimm | ok, that's for 32 bit |
| 04:02.25 | Xavi92 | Yup |
| 04:02.42 | Xavi92 | The AMD K6-II is a 586 CPU, in the end |
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| 04:02.50 | Xavi92 | Does not even support pae or cmov |
| 04:02.50 | jimm | how much ram do you have? |
| 04:02.55 | Xavi92 | 160 MB |
| 04:03.05 | Xavi92 | I know, it's a pretty old computer |
| 04:03.26 | jimm | hmm, that's very small, I wonder if that's the reason? |
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| 04:03.49 | Xavi92 | I don't have access to "top" while running the installer, unfortunately |
| 04:03.56 | Xavi92 | That could give us some useful info |
| 04:04.14 | Xavi92 | I mean, |
| 04:04.19 | jimm | but the kernel doesn't boot? |
| 04:04.41 | Xavi92 | It does not even get installed |
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| 04:05.02 | annadane | heston, and the reason there are few updates is because people run debian stable on their servers and servers require uptime |
| 04:05.09 | jimm | like, when you first boot, you get a menu including text-based install? |
| 04:05.40 | annadane | (among other reasons) |
| 04:06.39 | Xavi92 | Yup, that works OK |
| 04:07.00 | jimm | ok, what happens when you pick one of those? |
| 04:07.02 | Xavi92 | It always returns an error while "Installing the base system" |
| 04:07.21 | jimm | oh, so the kernel and installer does load |
| 04:07.22 | Xavi92 | When it reaches ~83%, which is when the kernel itself gets copied into HDD |
| 04:07.40 | jimm | hmm. |
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| 04:08.06 | jimm | how much disk space do you have? |
| 04:08.45 | Xavi92 | 8 GB, ~7.5 GB on a ext2 partition (sda1) and a ~0.5 GB swap partition |
| 04:08.54 | Xavi92 | That should be more than enough |
| 04:09.04 | jimm | yeah, should work fine |
| 04:09.23 | Xavi92 | Moreover, I can't find any "not enough space" or similar messages on logs |
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| 04:09.42 | jimm | when the kernel is installed, it does some special stuff... |
| 04:09.55 | jimm | it tries to figure out how / is mounted |
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| 04:10.16 | jimm | and from that, it finds out what drivers are needed |
| 04:11.01 | jimm | once it knows that, it writes out an image whose purpose is to be loaded into a ramdisk at boot |
| 04:11.26 | jimm | the image gets the kernel modules necessary to mount / |
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| 04:12.14 | jimm | and when it boots, it loads that into ram, then loads the modules from that ramdisk, then it's done with the ramdisk so it frees it |
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| 04:13.16 | jimm | -maybe- something in that process is crashing the machine |
| 04:14.34 | Xavi92 | jimm: Could it be possible to load a 486 kernel instead? |
| 04:14.52 | Xavi92 | It seems to crash while uncompressing linux-image-586.deb |
| 04:15.32 | jimm | I need to pause for something irl |
| 04:15.50 | Xavi92 | I've tested two different CD-ROM (netinst and standard images) |
| 04:15.51 | Xavi92 | OK |
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| 04:20.58 | jimm | you could try building a 486 kernel on another machine? |
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| 04:24.00 | jimm | there's the process of configuring the source (which writes .config file), there's building the kernel... those two things are not debian specific, but debian has a process for also building a package with the results of the compile (including the image itself and the kernel modules) and that process -is- debian specific |
| 04:24.27 | jimm | it puts code into the packaging that does the figuring I mentioned above |
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| 04:29.13 | jimm | so that when that package is later installed on some machine, it figures out how / is mounted -on that machine- |
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| 04:30.46 | jimm | having said -all- that, I still think your ram size is low for more modern debians (which 8 == jessie is) |
| 04:32.09 | jimm | I'm in a hackerspace that's in the process of closing... I have to leave; good luck finding something that works... |
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| 04:40.54 | pi__ | i want to capture radio on raspbian stretch |
| 04:40.54 | pi__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:41.45 | pi__ | i want to capture radio on raspbian stretch rpi3 but i cant see any capture devices listed in "record -l" |
| 04:42.32 | pi__ | wat do i hav to change in .asoundrc to be able to capture audio output? |
| 04:43.57 | jimm | pi__, I think you'd have to have a radio card for that |
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| 04:44.15 | pi__ | it is internet radio |
| 04:44.30 | jimm | oh ok, like streamers |
| 04:45.06 | pi__ | i tried so much with sox, arecord. i get errors |
| 04:46.26 | jimm | I wonder if you'd get better info on either a hardware channel or a channel about raspian more specifically? |
| 04:47.09 | pi__ | tried in raspbian channel. no response |
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| 04:48.11 | jimm | here's something maybe you can use: there's a bot, alis, that can help you look for channels on the freenode irc net.. to get started, /msg alis help |
| 04:48.49 | jimm | anyway best of luck to you; I have to leave |
| 04:49.05 | pi__ | ok thank u |
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| 04:56.42 | vuex | I'm on an older version of debian. With 9.4, which filesystem does it use? ext4 |
| 04:57.28 | vuex | better question, likely.. which filesystem should people be using? |
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| 04:57.35 | pi__ | ext4 |
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| 05:03.05 | vuex | how do i take 2 drives, and share the space on like /data |
| 05:03.21 | vuex | these are 2 new drives, but i'm thinking i want to combine them so that /data mounts both |
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| 05:39.53 | jelly | vuex: you might use LVM, mae the two disks parts ("physical volumes") of the same "volume group", then create a large "logical volume" inside that VG and a filesystem on top of that LV |
| 05:40.34 | jelly | any of two disks dying means you lose the whole filesystem |
| 05:42.11 | jelly | or if they're same size and similar performance, you might make a md raid0 array out of them. md is linux' soft raid subsystem |
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| 05:51.09 | heston | annadane, i gotcha, I just figured there would be more frequency security updates even |
| 05:51.32 | heston | but i need to call it a night here, gnight |
| 05:51.35 | annadane | you can sub to that mailing list i gave and also check out security.debian.org |
| 05:51.37 | annadane | night |
| 05:51.54 | heston | ok, ill check it out, thanks |
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| 05:54.20 | vuex | ty |
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| 06:08.55 | kingsley | My humble submission for Buster's artwork[1] is at |
| 06:08.59 | kingsley | http://loaner.com/Kingsleys_Buster_artwork.1.png |
| 06:09.14 | kingsley | [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/06/msg00003.html |
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| 06:26.27 | sveta2 | after update from wheezy to jessie, wireless is no longer available |
| 06:26.43 | xormor | there was a command to look at the "ELF" magic etc. on an executable file. What command is that? |
| 06:27.00 | annadane | xormor, i don't understand your question |
| 06:27.08 | sveta2 | using kde. tray icon applet says 'wlan interface - unavailable'. reinstalling firmware-iwlfiwi does not help |
| 06:27.45 | xormor | annadane, I mean the command showed the properties of the executable file on GNU/Linux. what was the name of the command? |
| 06:28.50 | Kocane | Anyone got a tip to find out what spins down my hdds? |
| 06:29.30 | Kocane | It's wd reds, they usually never spun down automatically before but after I installed 'tuned' and messed with that, it seems like I cant avoid my disks spinning down. Even my god damn spare SSD is listed as being in standby. |
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| 06:30.06 | Kocane | Obviously I've removed tuned, after fiddling with the settings didnt work. I've set HDPARM -S to 0 on all disks but they still go into standby. |
| 06:31.07 | annadane | xormor, properties... well, you can use ls -l to get general parameters of a file |
| 06:31.15 | annadane | ls -l blah.exe |
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| 06:31.27 | annadane | or file blah.exe to determine what kind of file it is |
| 06:31.32 | annadane | i may be misunderstanding your question though |
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| 06:33.12 | xormor | annadane, the info was more detailed, it showed file properties like the "ELF" encoded in hexadecimal. I read about it in an assembly tutorial earlier, but I do not remember the name of the command. "file" is a good command though, so is "ls -l". |
| 06:33.34 | annadane | oh sorry, i don't really know in that case |
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| 06:36.06 | xormor | I was shifting through the "file" commandline arguments/options to find the view.. I think it is somewhat a rare command to use. |
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| 06:39.33 | bites | xormor: are you looking for readelf? e.g. readelf -h <binary> |
| 06:39.49 | annadane | oh that does sound familiar |
| 06:41.10 | xormor | bites, yes, I already found it on Google before I looked at your answer, but thank you! |
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| 06:48.30 | mail-man | Hi all, I'm having some issues when making any sort of I/O operations on any type of medium (SSDs, regular HDD, USB flashdrive, etc), for some reason, my CPU usage goes nuts, the system becomes sluggish, and iowait goes up to 600% whenever I attempt to copy a file, here's a screenshot of my system monitor: https://preview.ibb.co/b2yuEd/Screenshot_from_2018_06_19_00_34_24.png |
| 06:48.42 | mail-man | I'm running Debian stretch on an Intel 2600 CPU, z77 chipset, and an SSD, I haven't changed any kernel parameters or implemented any exotic configuration, strangely enough, this happens on all of my 4 debian systems |
| 06:48.55 | annadane | :( |
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| 06:56.23 | AlwaysHigh | huh my debian is saying apt-get doesnt exist |
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| 07:05.08 | annadane | AlwaysHigh, hmm... any apt functionality at all? is apt installed? |
| 07:05.22 | AlwaysHigh | annadane, i just had to try reinstall |
| 07:05.34 | AlwaysHigh | seems to have fixed the commands ive used so far |
| 07:05.45 | annadane | well, that'll certainly do it... |
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| 07:20.04 | fiet | AlwaysHigh: You might want to check /var/log/apt* to find out what happened. |
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| 07:25.13 | zprd | hi |
| 07:25.53 | annadane | hi |
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| 07:27.08 | zprd | I am running integration tests with lxc that runs among other tasks, intallation of some packages, is there a quota on http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists ? |
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| 07:27.11 | testingthisappar | hitherecoderbuddies u like apparmor? |
| 07:27.25 | zprd | can I be banned or throttled? |
| 07:27.31 | testingthisappar | zprd: yes |
| 07:27.36 | testingthisappar | you can do it! |
| 07:28.09 | themill | zprd: no, but you could be polite to donated bandwidth and also get improved performance by using a local apt caching proxy such as apt-cache-ng |
| 07:28.15 | zprd | testingthisappar: I can do it, you mean no risk to be banned |
| 07:28.27 | testingthisappar | zprd: they won't ban you. just do what you need to do. |
| 07:28.41 | zprd | yes a cache would be the best, I do agree |
| 07:28.52 | testingthisappar | cash is king |
| 07:29.03 | annadane | please stop trolling the channel |
| 07:29.10 | testingthisappar | ok annadane |
| 07:29.15 | themill | zprd: also you should use deb.debian.org and you'll find that is pointing you towards a commercial cdn |
| 07:29.52 | testingthisappar | commercialism is rampant these days |
| 07:29.52 | zprd | hum I got resolved this http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org |
| 07:30.02 | themill | testingthisappar: that's enough, thanks |
| 07:30.16 | testingthisappar | ok themill |
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| 07:30.58 | zprd | ok thanks for confirming |
| 07:31.39 | zprd | I will dig on today's problem, cannot resolve some libs like http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl1.1_1.1.0e-2_amd64.deb |
| 07:31.59 | zprd | (original query http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl1.1_1.1.0e-2_amd64.deb) |
| 07:33.09 | themill | what version of debian is that supposed to be for? |
| 07:33.20 | themill | (it's nowhere in debian) |
| 07:33.22 | zprd | stretch |
| 07:33.37 | themill | you need to apt-get update first |
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| 07:33.53 | zprd | I hope I do |
| 07:33.58 | zprd | i got to check |
| 07:34.10 | themill | not if you're requesting a package that has long since been superseded ;) |
| 07:34.18 | themill | ,v libssl1.1 |
| 07:34.19 | judd | Package: libssl1.1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; buster: 1.1.0h-4; sid: 1.1.0h-4; experimental: 1.1.1~~pre7-1 |
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| 07:37.43 | zprd | well I did apt-get -qq update && apt-get install -qq -y ... |
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| 07:38.02 | zprd | but must somthing about update |
| 07:38.08 | zprd | thx guys |
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| 07:41.24 | momomo | I have a printer that I've successfully installed using WPS and without cables ... however, the Scanner functionality seem to work, at least with my program on Ubunut (Mint). Is there a program or an easy way to get the scanner functionality to work as well without cables ? |
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| 07:42.48 | somiaj | You say it works without calbes in Ubuntu Mint? What software is used there, and is it packaged for debian? |
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| 07:43.48 | momomo | somiaj: the printer is setup as a network printer |
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| 07:44.44 | somiaj | that wasn't really the question, does it work as expected in ubuntu mint, if so what software are you using there to make it work as a scanner? |
| 07:44.46 | momomo | somiaj: i do have a page for the printer where I can see a bunch of information |
| 07:44.52 | momomo | somiaj: the printing does |
| 07:44.53 | momomo | yes |
| 07:45.08 | momomo | somiaj: normally with a cable there is a program called simplescan |
| 07:45.19 | somiaj | are you running ubuntu mint or debian? |
| 07:45.24 | momomo | I think it was bundled in.. i can't really configure anything there as to what the source is |
| 07:45.32 | momomo | it seems to just know when the cable is connected |
| 07:46.04 | momomo | so I think the program is good enough |
| 07:46.17 | somiaj | again, are you running ubuntu mint or debian? |
| 07:46.29 | momomo | problem googling scanner wps or ip on google leads to a lot wireshark related |
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| 07:47.00 | momomo | ubuntu mint ... but it is debian underneath no? i guess I could install a debian program if there is one |
| 07:47.05 | somiaj | !mint |
| 07:47.05 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 07:47.24 | somiaj | momomo: we don't support based on debian here, they change things. But what you are asking just may not be possible in linux in general. |
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| 07:48.07 | momomo | somiaj: do you know any great scanner programs for debian? |
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| 07:48.22 | somiaj | I have not heard of a wireless scanning protocol, so unless your printer/scanner can do this functionality by canning/sending an email or something like that to make it avaialble, as far as I know, you will need to use a cable. |
| 07:49.01 | momomo | somiaj: hehe .. so much for "wireless" and cable free setups |
| 07:49.03 | somiaj | momomo: You are choosing to run ubuntu/mint, you should use their support, and get software for them. There are differences between mint and debian, and we may not know them, so our policy in #debian is to support Debian. |
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| 07:49.29 | momomo | somiaj: lots of noobs ... |
| 07:49.37 | momomo | but forget my background now |
| 07:49.41 | momomo | and let me repeat my question |
| 07:49.46 | somiaj | so, this is not the place to ask for support for ubuntu/mint |
| 07:49.47 | momomo | do you know any great scanner programs for debian? |
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| 07:53.17 | tlatelolco | Hello. I'm trying to install ampache on raspbian and here is the error message: https://pastebin.com/DTd7hjYX How can I install the newer required version of php-gettext without breaking everything? |
| 07:53.30 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 07:53.31 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 07:54.00 | themill | tlatelolco: you'd ask the people who are giving you these packages for non-broken packages. |
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| 08:00.27 | sveta2 | 05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) -- debian jessie -- network-manager says i am connected (and i can reach the modem htt://192.168.1.1) but beyond that nothing is sent or received. please help |
| 08:00.52 | sveta2 | ping 8.8.8.8 returns 100% packet loss |
| 08:01.03 | sveta2 | i have to use eth0 to surf the web or connect to irc |
| 08:02.18 | sveta2 | http://paste.debian.net/1029856/ dmesg |
| 08:02.40 | somiaj | if you can ping your gateway, but can't get past the gateway, it is some issue with the gateway/modem/router |
| 08:03.13 | sveta2 | it works ok with a live cd of another distro, somiaj |
| 08:03.28 | sveta2 | it also worked ok yesterday when this was wheezy. it stopped working after upgrading it to jessie |
| 08:04.04 | somiaj | maybe it is a lease issue, but if you can ping 192.168.1.1 your network is reaching out, and your gateway for some reason isn't wanting to forward info. |
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| 08:04.45 | sveta2 | http://termbin.com/hv7if apt history.log |
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| 08:05.13 | somiaj | sveta2: what is the output if 'ip a' and 'ip route' |
| 08:06.30 | sveta2 | http://paste.debian.net/1029859/ ip a |
| 08:06.33 | melissa666 | sveta2, what happens if you try "sudo killall wpa_supplicant" and then restart network-manager (sudo service network-manager restart) |
| 08:07.02 | sveta2 | http://paste.debian.net/1029860/ ip route |
| 08:07.10 | sveta2 | brb |
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| 08:07.45 | sveta2 | melissa666: it then says 'wlan not connected' in the tray icon applet |
| 08:07.45 | somiaj | well you have two interfaces setup to the same network, and so it is hard to see what the problem is, but it appears you are connected to your gateway just fine. |
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| 08:08.24 | sveta2 | somiaj: i'd like to position the laptop more than a meter away from the modem, the ethernet cable is rather short |
| 08:08.39 | sveta2 | somiaj: when i take it out, internet disappears.. |
| 08:08.54 | somiaj | but your wifi is connected to the the ap and has an ip address, I don't see any configuration issue on the machine. |
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| 08:09.14 | somiaj | well it would be ncie to get the output if 'ip route' during a time you aren't pluged into the router with a wire |
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| 08:10.09 | somiaj | but if you can ping 192.168.1.1 with your wifi, you are sucesffully connected to your router, so something in your router is blocking connenction. |
| 08:10.43 | somiaj | maybe it has some cache or something, have you tried rebooting your modem/router? |
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| 08:17.01 | zprd | ok I think I have some clues about lxc vs apt-get update |
| 08:18.25 | zprd | sources.list on not working containers are different |
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| 08:20.05 | zprd | those working use http://deb.debian.org/debian |
| 08:20.20 | zprd | those not: http://httpredir.debian.org/debian |
| 08:20.32 | zprd | (on different machines) |
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| 08:24.19 | themill | zprd: httpredir is certainly deprecated but I thought it was still working. |
| 08:24.52 | zprd | Im not sure how to update lxc containers templates though |
| 08:25.24 | zprd | i can certainly change sources.list but that sould not be the best solution |
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| 08:27.05 | zprd | any hint would help, to update templates |
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| 08:27.22 | zprd | I use thouse comming with the debian, notjhing special |
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| 08:28.52 | themill | I don't know that debian distributes any lxc templates |
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| 08:29.18 | zprd | hum? |
| 08:30.06 | zprd | maybe my wording is not correct |
| 08:30.32 | zprd | on lxc-create /var/cache/lxc get populated I think |
| 08:30.36 | themill | I don't use lxc so I'm not the best person to help you here |
| 08:30.42 | zprd | ah ok I see |
| 08:30.58 | zprd | no problem |
| 08:31.10 | sveta2 | somiaj: melissa666 : http://paste.debian.net/1029862/ ip route (with eth0 taken out) |
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| 08:32.06 | sveta2 | somiaj: melissa666 : it does not always succeed at connecting to 192.168.1.1, i could not get it to connect to the modem the last 5 mins :/ |
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| 08:33.09 | melissa666 | sveta2, looking at the output of dmesg, and how it was associating and immediately dropping, I'm wondering if the times you've managed to connect were just luck, where you hit the router admin page before it dropped connection |
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| 08:34.23 | melissa666 | there are a variety of problems that can cause it to do that - but I would google for the error "aborting authentication by local choice reason =3 " and see if any solutions fix your problem |
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| 08:36.04 | guvner_nl | At the moment we have a debian 8 preseed configuration on our pxe server with tftp. Would it in some way be possible to have a Debian 8 and Debian 9 choice? Or do I need to stay with one of the versions? |
| 08:36.29 | sveta2 | melissa666: ok |
| 08:36.53 | melissa666 | sveta2, ... wait a sec. I might be wrong (not an expert) but I think having two default routes (one for eth0 and one for wlan0) might be causing the issue. try removing the route for e |
| 08:37.11 | melissa666 | oops, that is "try removing the default route for eth0" |
| 08:37.16 | zprd | is there a special chan for lxc on debian? |
| 08:39.34 | sveta2 | melissa666: ok |
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| 08:42.08 | guvner_nl | Anyone from NL with knowledge of the preseed configurations on and pxe server? |
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| 08:46.14 | melissa666 | sveta2, do 'sudo ip route del default via 192.168.1.1' then do 'sudo ip route add default via 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0' ... not permanent fix, but curious to see if that's the problem (eth0 default overriding wlan0) |
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| 08:48.50 | physkets | Hi! |
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| 08:49.00 | physkets | In the "Software selection" step of the install, |
| 08:49.20 | physkets | there is an option that says "Debian desktop environment" |
| 08:49.30 | physkets | What all programs come under that? |
| 08:49.50 | petn-randall | physkets: It's most things gnome, AFAIR. |
| 08:49.53 | physkets | (I'm installing a headless server) |
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| 08:50.06 | petn-randall | physkets: If you want a headless server, I'd untick that. |
| 08:50.06 | physkets | petn-randall: ah, okay; so then I can skip that |
| 08:50.10 | physkets | cool |
| 08:50.22 | physkets | If I choose the "SSH Server" option, |
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| 08:50.29 | physkets | will it come pre-confiured? |
| 08:50.36 | petn-randall | physkets: You can always install things after the system installation is through, as long as you can log in and use the network. |
| 08:50.36 | melissa666 | physkets, you can type 'tasksel --task-packages desktop' at command line to get a list |
| 08:51.08 | petn-randall | physkets: yes? I don't know what you're expecting, though. |
| 08:51.10 | physkets | oh, thing is, I'm isntlling this on to the storage drive separately, |
| 08:51.20 | physkets | and I'm going to pug it into the server and hope it works |
| 08:51.26 | physkets | so I need SSH up an runnign |
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| 08:51.57 | petn-randall | physkets: It should run as long as it's the same architecture (x86 64bit) and boots the same way (legacy BIOS or UEFI). |
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| 08:52.50 | physkets | yes, same Arch; but my laptop (from which I'm performing this install) is UEFI, but during partitioning, I did not create an EFI partition |
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| 08:53.06 | physkets | does that mean that it will perform a BIOS style install? |
| 08:53.17 | petn-randall | physkets: Then your installer was booted in legacy mode. |
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| 08:53.43 | physkets | but my laptop is a UEFI machine |
| 08:53.59 | physkets | so shouldn't it have booted in UEFI mode? |
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| 08:54.33 | petn-randall | physkets: Apparently not. |
| 08:54.39 | yokowka | hello everysoul!!!! do you read me? |
| 08:54.54 | physkets | ah okay; I'll know when I put it in the server |
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| 08:55.29 | physkets | after the software selection step, |
| 08:55.31 | melissa666 | yokowka, LOUD AND CLEAR! |
| 08:55.32 | petn-randall | physkets: You can check in the UEFI setup if it's set to 'both', or CSM is enabled. If one of them is true, it likely booted in legacy mode. |
| 08:55.34 | physkets | it says: |
| 08:56.08 | physkets | "Executing 'grub-install dumy' failed" |
| 08:56.16 | physkets | "This is a fatal error" |
| 08:56.21 | shtrb | physkets, UEFI does not mean what boot type you do |
| 08:56.50 | petn-randall | physkets: How did you prepare the installation medium? |
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| 08:57.04 | physkets | shtrb: okay, so what does it mean? the firmware of my laptop is UEFI... |
| 08:57.20 | physkets | petn-randall: I 'dd-ed' the ISO onto a USB |
| 08:57.39 | yokowka | melissa666, then i have a trouble. after installing antivirus i've crashes one after one. firefox crashes, update center crashes. what to do? |
| 08:58.05 | petn-randall | yokowka: Which antivirus? |
| 08:58.06 | physkets | yokowka: What anti-virus? |
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| 08:58.23 | yokowka | eset-nod 32 av4 |
| 08:58.34 | shtrb | physkets, petn-randall said it a second before me (in your setup there are several boot modes , and only one is selected (Legacy/Uefi Mode ) ) |
| 08:58.39 | petn-randall | yokowka: Ask their support then, it's not supported by Debian. |
| 08:58.55 | shtrb | yokowka, is that a linux app ? |
| 08:59.04 | yokowka | shtrb, yep. |
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| 09:00.08 | physkets | petn-randall: shtrb Could the UEFI/Legacy thing be interfering with the grub install? |
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| 09:01.50 | petn-randall | physkets: Maybe. The UEFI BIOS must protect the EFI system partition if booting in legacy mode by hiding it to the booted system. |
| 09:02.22 | petn-randall | physkets: So if you have a ESP on the disk, it will be protected and then installing the bios grub bootloader will maybe fail. |
| 09:02.42 | physkets | Looks like it was booted in pure-UEFI |
| 09:02.56 | petn-randall | physkets: It's best if you double check the settings in the UEFI setup and make sure they're the same as the ones you want to boot your server with. |
| 09:03.06 | petn-randall | physkets: How are you checking? |
| 09:03.10 | physkets | I want to perform a Legacy install because the BIOS of my server is not UEFI |
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| 09:03.24 | physkets | petn-randall: I looed at the firmware menu of my laptop |
| 09:03.28 | physkets | *looked |
| 09:03.34 | petn-randall | I see |
| 09:03.55 | physkets | I enabled "Legacy oprtion ROMs" |
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| 09:05.15 | petn-randall | physkets: opROMs are firmware on PCI cards that add menus to the BIOS. |
| 09:05.18 | shtrb | If you have enabled it , you should not be booting in UEFI |
| 09:05.29 | physkets | I just enabled it |
| 09:05.43 | petn-randall | physkets: You're looking for something called 'BIOS' or 'legacy MODE'. |
| 09:06.13 | physkets | will the installer tell me what mode it is in? |
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| 09:06.29 | physkets | is there somehow I can confim from within the installer? |
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| 09:07.26 | petn-randall | physkets: IIRC it will show you in the grub boot menu which mode it started in. |
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| 09:09.02 | petn-randall | Hmm, it doesn't say anything in legacy mode at least (checked with a VM) |
| 09:10.52 | petn-randall | physkets: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/371312/how-can-i-tell-if-the-debian-installer-has-booted-in-uefi-mode-or-not |
| 09:10.55 | earendel | for me OPROM & Legacy mode is one entry, opposing UEFI. i can also set the both, and the order |
| 09:11.05 | yokowka | souls! eset nod 32 AV 4 is not runing, i'd not see it in list of installed apps - to delete! TROUBLE!!!! |
| 09:11.43 | shtrb | If nvme list does not return results (and I have an SSD), does it mean it is connected to a M.2/Sata interface ? |
| 09:12.10 | zprd | arf still, on my fetch problem. apt is looking for http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/InRelease which is not in the repo |
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| 09:12.35 | physkets | earendel: when I boot with the iso USB plugged in, I only see one boot entry for it |
| 09:12.43 | zprd | on the other hand http://security.debian.org/dists/stretch/updates/InRelease exist |
| 09:12.56 | physkets | should I be seeing two, one for UEFI, and one Legacy? |
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| 09:13.18 | petn-randall | I can confirm, in UEFI mode it says so on the splash screen. There's no such info on the legacy boot screen. |
| 09:13.26 | earendel | don't know what the UEFI shizzle is good for. it just added additional points of failure, without giving any benefits i would be aware of. (if i would have designed sth new, i would let have it a nice menu asking from which toaster i want to boot.. but then it's just me) |
| 09:13.45 | petn-randall | yokowka: That antivirus is unsupported here, ask *their* support channel. |
| 09:15.01 | yokowka | petn-randall, i'de love to uninstall it. what is console command?) |
| 09:15.17 | petn-randall | yokowka: No idea. I don't know about it. Ask their support. |
| 09:15.35 | physkets | petn-randall: on the installer's splash-screen? |
| 09:15.43 | physkets | there is nothing like that in my case |
| 09:15.50 | petn-randall | physkets: Check the link I sent you, it compares the splash screens side-by-side. |
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| 09:16.00 | shtrb | yokowka, how did you install that thing ? |
| 09:16.02 | shtrb | apt-get ? some binary ? |
| 09:16.03 | petn-randall | physkets: It's when you first boot the installation image. |
| 09:16.10 | physkets | I get the second |
| 09:16.53 | earendel | it would have options to create boot images, mount vdisks etc.. yes the graphics are nice. fancy temperature masuring diagrams in calming colors. |
| 09:16.54 | physkets | But I'd had the same thing the first time round |
| 09:16.56 | petn-randall | physkets: That's legacy mode then. |
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| 09:17.42 | petn-randall | earendel: EFI allows you to have several bootloaders installed on one system that can peacefully coexist. |
| 09:17.56 | petn-randall | earendel: And many other things, but that's getting a bit offtopic. |
| 09:17.59 | earendel | petn-randll: ewllt? |
| 09:18.02 | earendel | really? |
| 09:18.38 | yokowka | shtrb, download app for debian. make downloaded file run as program. installing program says need libc6 i386 be installed. i've installed this lib and one some. |
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| 09:19.02 | shtrb | was it a .deb file ? |
| 09:19.03 | earendel | i hoped so. have you implemented such successfully? if yes, i may try it harder. |
| 09:19.18 | yokowka | then i've activated by the net sight keys. |
| 09:19.34 | shtrb | yokowka, was that file a .deb or something else ? |
| 09:19.59 | yokowka | shtrb, else: .linux |
| 09:20.10 | shtrb | yokowka, did you run something like ./OUR_SUPER_DUPER_SCRIPT.run ? |
| 09:20.21 | earendel | so why can't physkets boot from from his .. erm was it usb-stick? i missed the first part. |
| 09:20.33 | physkets | I can boot |
| 09:20.34 | earendel | shouldn't he just plug it in, and play? |
| 09:20.42 | earendel | ok. |
| 09:20.49 | physkets | But the install gets stuck at the'grub installation' step |
| 09:20.49 | earendel | but? |
| 09:20.55 | shtrb | yokowka, that sound like some blob, check if that file have an uninstall option or ask their channel (NEVER just download stuff from the internet and run it) |
| 09:20.57 | earendel | alright. |
| 09:21.03 | yokowka | shtrb, our_super_duper_script.linux |
| 09:21.39 | physkets | wait, now it shows a slightly different menu after the 'software selection' step |
| 09:21.47 | shtrb | check it options ./our_super_duper_script.linux --help or some maybe ./our_super_duper_script -h |
| 09:22.07 | yokowka | same second antivirus note me that it was succesfully updated 0.0 |
| 09:22.23 | yokowka | 0.0 - my eyes |
| 09:22.33 | physkets | It asks me if I want it to install GRUB to my "first hard-drive" |
| 09:22.42 | physkets | but what does that mean? |
| 09:23.15 | physkets | my laptop alreay has a drive with another linux install |
| 09:23.31 | earendel | iit means you have to plug anything else out, or you may be screwed since the order may apparently change |
| 09:23.36 | earendel | ok. |
| 09:23.53 | petn-randall | physkets: Doesn't it show you a list of device to pick from? |
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| 09:24.11 | physkets | can I somehow install GRUB to the 'second' drive? |
| 09:24.37 | petn-randall | physkets: Ah wait, is the HDD connected via USB bridge or something? |
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| 09:25.22 | physkets | yay! |
| 09:25.25 | physkets | it allows me to choose |
| 09:25.26 | earendel | i think you would need to boot first and then chroot .. and do a few mountings and then install grub or so. probably that script does that? |
| 09:25.46 | physkets | So the first time, looks like it tried to install grub on my laptop's harddrive |
| 09:25.59 | physkets | petn-randall: yes, it is connected via USB |
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| 09:27.36 | physkets | oh shit |
| 09:27.41 | petn-randall | physkets: Cool, glad it worked out. |
| 09:27.47 | physkets | I seem to have wiped something from my laptop's drive |
| 09:27.53 | petn-randall | ⦠or not |
| 09:27.55 | petn-randall | yikes |
| 09:28.22 | earendel | well. |
| 09:28.50 | earendel | maybe not. |
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| 09:29.27 | shtrb | yokowka, do you have /opt/eset/esets/bin/esets_gil ? |
| 09:30.29 | yokowka | shtrb, Yes i have!!!! |
| 09:31.38 | shtrb | sudo /opt/eset/esets/bin/esets_gil should let you an option to uninstall (I have no idea what damage it will do to your OS) |
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| 09:31.45 | shtrb | dpkg, uninstall eset is https://support.eset.com/kb2704/?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US |
| 09:31.45 | dpkg | okay, shtrb |
| 09:31.53 | shtrb | !uninstall eset |
| 09:31.53 | dpkg | uninstall eset is probably https://support.eset.com/kb2704/?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US |
| 09:31.59 | shtrb | perfect |
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| 09:33.55 | yokowka | shtrb i've uninstalle antivirus app |
| 09:34.22 | shtrb | !next |
| 09:34.23 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 09:38.13 | physkets | I fixed it!!! |
| 09:38.45 | petn-randall | physkets: Yay \o/. What happened? |
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| 09:39.16 | physkets | the grub step had reset the UEFI entry to point to EFI/boot/bootx64.efi |
| 09:39.32 | physkets | but I was using EFI/refind/refindx64.efi |
| 09:39.46 | physkets | so I just made that boot entry in the UEFI |
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| 09:42.45 | yokowka | heavenno everysoul! shtrb, after program uninstalling crashes - stoped! |
| 09:42.51 | physkets | I'll come back when I put it into the server |
| 09:43.06 | physkets | I hope SSH will work |
| 09:43.11 | physkets | also the network |
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| 09:43.54 | shtrb | yokowka, what does that even mean ? |
| 09:43.55 | shtrb | yokowka, can you use Google Translate or something ? |
| 09:44.40 | yokowka | shtrb, heavenno? who can tell good antivirus? |
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| 09:45.03 | physkets | You are the best anti-virus |
| 09:45.10 | physkets | for your machine |
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| 09:45.35 | shtrb | what is "havenno" ? |
| 09:46.17 | physkets | 'clamav' is used often... but AFAIK, it is mainly for finding Windows viruses in mail servers |
| 09:46.33 | physkets | if that is what you want then try it out |
| 09:46.34 | shtrb | Do you eally think you need an Anti Virus for debian if you have standard common scence rules ? |
| 09:46.54 | shtrb | physkets, clamav failed misserably |
| 09:47.00 | shtrb | even for windows :-( |
| 09:47.17 | physkets | ah.... Is see... but better than nothing, I guess? |
| 09:47.50 | shtrb | I don't know, it did not identify ransomeware ... |
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| 09:48.16 | physkets | did you use the lates bytecode/signature files? |
| 09:48.20 | yokowka | i invent this word!!!! hellO means on(h) hell. heavennO means on heaven. if hello - went you to the satan, then heavenno - take you to an angels!!!! everysoul use word this: heavennO. |
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| 09:49.15 | yokowka | physkets, clamav is online av? |
| 09:49.28 | physkets | no, it is local |
| 09:49.53 | erasmus | freshclam |
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| 09:50.03 | physkets | yes, that^ is the updater |
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| 09:50.24 | physkets | if uusing clam, maybe put that as a cron job, or do it manually |
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| 09:52.20 | yokowka | erasmus, freshclam - has graphic interface? as i seen clamav is very minimal interface)))) |
| 09:52.49 | erasmus | I don't think it does |
| 09:53.01 | erasmus | just type freshclam -v |
| 09:53.22 | physkets | I think there is a gui called 'clamtk' |
| 09:53.41 | physkets | you'll have to check if it is there in the Deb repos |
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| 09:54.31 | physkets | https://dave-theunsub.github.io/clamtk/ |
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| 09:57.12 | yokowka | physkets, downloaded yet. how to install? |
| 09:57.16 | petn-randall | yokowka: What do you need antivirus for? Is this a server to scan files from Windows? |
| 09:57.55 | yokowka | petn-randall, network protection most of all. |
| 09:58.12 | likcoras | ,v clamtk |
| 09:58.13 | judd | Package: clamtk on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.41-1; jessie: 5.11-1; stretch: 5.24-1; buster: 5.25-1; sid: 5.25-1 |
| 09:58.17 | likcoras | It's in the repos, it seems? |
| 09:58.42 | petn-randall | yokowka: Antivirus scans files for virii. A firewall takes care of network protection. |
| 09:58.44 | physkets | yokowka: use dpkg to install |
| 09:59.06 | physkets | if you have the .deb file |
| 09:59.12 | petn-randall | Noooooo |
| 09:59.19 | physkets | no? |
| 09:59.24 | petn-randall | `apt install clamtk`, no need to install .deb by hand. |
| 09:59.44 | rabbitear_sdf | by eye to screen |
| 09:59.56 | shtrb | yokowka, use apt-get never download stuff from the internet or add some custom repos to your sources.lists |
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| 10:00.33 | physkets | yokowka: ah; I did ask you to check the repos |
| 10:00.56 | rabbitear_sdf | I ask you, do |
| 10:01.15 | yokowka | likcoras ,v clamtk what is it? shtrb blease You! physkets by using dpkg? |
| 10:01.38 | rabbitear_sdf | nope, its just apt |
| 10:01.38 | yokowka | check repos.... |
| 10:02.02 | rabbitear_sdf | I'm the one that knows best ;) |
| 10:02.08 | petn-randall | rabbitear_sdf: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 10:02.22 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: what? |
| 10:02.37 | melissa666 | rabbitear_sdf, Can you feel the worms underneath your skin? |
| 10:02.44 | rabbitear_sdf | no |
| 10:02.53 | melissa666 | Me either. |
| 10:03.18 | rabbitear_sdf | just got done talking to Trump on twitter |
| 10:03.24 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 10:03.24 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 10:04.01 | rabbitear_sdf | I do have a ubuntu style question |
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| 10:04.26 | shtrb | !ubuntu |
| 10:04.27 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 10:04.27 | yokowka | physkets, now i know what to do - check the repository, but not know - how? |
| 10:04.31 | rabbitear_sdf | what do they they mean, via iptables these days? |
| 10:04.50 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: you know how things used to work? |
| 10:04.54 | physkets | yokowka: you should figure out how to use Debian first |
| 10:05.04 | physkets | I'm sure it has docs/manuals |
| 10:05.13 | petn-randall | rabbitear_sdf: If you don't have a Debian question please take the chatter to another channel. |
| 10:05.22 | rabbitear_sdf | its rtfm all the way ? |
| 10:05.39 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: look, I don't have a question |
| 10:05.52 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: listen, and read |
| 10:06.12 | physkets | yokowka: how do you normally install software on Debian? |
| 10:06.21 | petn-randall | rabbitear_sdf: Great. Then keep the noise down please. See the dpkg factoid if you want to chat. |
| 10:06.22 | physkets | is this your first time? |
| 10:06.25 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: how do you use interfaces in systemd style to do NAT? |
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| 10:07.22 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: it might take awhile for you to have an answer |
| 10:07.35 | petn-randall | rabbitear_sdf: Are you using Ubuntu? |
| 10:07.43 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: I use all |
| 10:08.10 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: you have any ideas? |
| 10:08.11 | yokowka | physkets, console comand, app center, not often from developers site |
| 10:08.13 | petn-randall | rabbitear_sdf: You're not answering my question, and that's getting annoying. |
| 10:08.21 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: what? |
| 10:08.28 | petn-randall | rabbitear_sdf: Which OS are you using? |
| 10:08.29 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: I'm asking the question |
| 10:08.44 | rabbitear_sdf | petn-randall: the one with systemd |
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| 10:08.57 | physkets | yokowka: ya, so then just use the console or the app centre |
| 10:09.29 | petn-randall | rabbitear_sdf: No, you're not. You're just adding noise to the channel. Come back if you have an actual Debian question. |
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| 10:10.13 | shtrb | wow sdf is still alive ?! |
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| 10:11.16 | yokowka | perfect |
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| 10:17.25 | physkets | installed it? |
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| 10:19.45 | yokowka | so low!!!! |
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| 10:58.17 | sveta2 | melissa666: regarding wifi, when upgrading from wheezy to jessie, I had hit https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=758557 . I think somaja (sp?...) is not here, but they may wish to know. |
| 10:58.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/758557 in network-manager (open): «network-manager: not authorized to control networking»; severity: important; opened: 2014-08-18; last modified: 2017-10-20. |
| 10:58.40 | sveta2 | melissa666: the bug has a workaround, and it works. |
| 10:59.22 | sveta2 | however, now I am struggling with bluetooth; in kde, the 'turn bluetooth on' button leaves it off still; |
| 10:59.32 | sveta2 | "sudo systemctl status bluetooth" returns "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" |
| 10:59.48 | sveta2 | 'blueman', 'bluetooth' packages are installed... |
| 11:00.16 | sveta2 | somiaj ** |
| 11:02.15 | sveta2 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1029880 -- it is a "Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0a5c:2101 Broadcom Corp. BCM2045 Bluetooth" device, with 'bluetooth' module loaded (and a couple more which depend on it I think) |
| 11:03.01 | melissa666 | sveta2, what is output from dmesg? |
| 11:03.27 | melissa666 | (glad you got your networking issue figured out btw) |
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| 11:03.39 | sveta2 | ("sudo hcitool dev" returns "hci0 00:16:CF:F6:28:47") |
| 11:03.56 | sveta2 | http://paste.debian.net/1029881/ dmesg |
| 11:04.02 | petn-randall | sveta2: Do you have dbus installed? |
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| 11:04.35 | sveta2 | petn-randall: yes, I've just upgraded it from 1.6.8-1+deb7u6 to 1.8.22-0+deb8u1 |
| 11:04.47 | sveta2 | petn-randall: same issue, however |
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| 11:05.24 | petn-randall | ,releases |
| 11:05.25 | sveta2 | this dmesg is cut off... |
| 11:05.35 | sveta2 | (this is debian jessie) |
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| 11:05.50 | Kelsar | is there an easy way to install mysql/mariadb 5.5? |
| 11:05.56 | sveta2 | ,releases |
| 11:06.03 | Kelsar | in stretch |
| 11:06.36 | petn-randall | sveta2: Did you just dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
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| 11:06.40 | sveta2 | petn-randall: yes |
| 11:07.08 | petn-randall | sveta2: Oh right, you wrote that in the first message. My bad. |
| 11:07.09 | sveta2 | petn-randall: installed a 32bit wheezy for someone by mistake, they'd like 64 bit now, so I've started with a wheezy 64bit image and upgraded from that... |
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| 11:07.34 | petn-randall | sveta2: If it's a fresh install, why not use the current stretch release? |
| 11:07.39 | sveta2 | petn-randall: I would like to keep their user settings etc absolutely intact to keep the changes minimal, this turns out to be a tad more pain for me however |
| 11:08.25 | sveta2 | petn-randall: in a fresh install it would perhaps take forever to restore their correct settings (desktop is heavily customized) so I'm starting from exactly same release as they started with back then |
| 11:09.51 | themill | can't spot the difference between installing an old release and upgrading and just installing a current release |
| 11:09.58 | sveta2 | Kelsar: are they in version 10 now? |
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| 11:10.08 | Kelsar | sveta2: yes |
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| 11:10.55 | sveta2 | themill: I've got another user of debian 8 here (starting from that release initially), and their desktop looks a bit different and I could not tweak it. with this case keeping the appearance unchanged is high priority... |
| 11:11.19 | sveta2 | the current issue being bluetooth not seeing dbus, and dbus not seeing bluetooth, or something similar |
| 11:11.36 | themill | you're not going to magically keep it looking the same by upgrading vs installing |
| 11:11.57 | sveta2 | so far that seems to work |
| 11:12.19 | sveta2 | I restored /home from a backup and nearly everything seems happy with it |
| 11:12.21 | themill | the packages aren't changing $HOME |
| 11:12.44 | sveta2 | I did use /etc from the wheezy release, and they're probably changing something there |
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| 11:13.00 | sveta2 | I mean I will try this later but not with this system |
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| 11:20.33 | sveta2 | https://superuser.com/questions/1173756/cant-start-systemd-failed-to-get-d-bus-connection looks interesting |
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| 11:27.27 | sveta2 | http://paste.debian.net/1029884/ bluetooth status from systemd now |
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| 11:31.52 | Guest71387 | what is use of LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 |
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| 11:37.09 | Guest71387 | someone suggest me cmd to launch any application that require external graphic with only intergrated graphic ? I do LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 ./OBS but there is any other ways to do it on ubuntu ? |
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| 11:38.06 | sveta2 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1029886 bluez refuses to install after its been purged |
| 11:38.28 | josj | hello, does anyone know how to get correct thumbnails for videos in a filemaneger or something ? For some reason .MTS files do not all show thumbails, though by preferences they should. I read there has been an issue with this in the past. I have all gstreamer stuff and totem, tried several viewers / managers. I need video thumbnails because it takes way too much time to troll through masses of clips. Thanks, I'm on the latest Debian. |
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| 11:39.13 | sveta2 | josj: are you familiar with kodi (xmbc)? |
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| 11:39.26 | Guest71387 | my kdenlive crash when using many clips without making them proxy first |
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| 11:41.21 | josj | sveta2, ok let me try that |
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| 11:42.29 | petn-randall | Guest71387: You might want to ask in #ubuntu, this channel is for Debian only. |
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| 11:43.12 | Guest71387 | yea those could not helped |
| 11:43.22 | Guest71387 | someone suggest me cmd to launch any application that require external graphic with only intergrated graphic ? I do LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 ./OBS but there is any other ways to do it on ubuntu ? |
| 11:43.38 | petn-randall | Guest71387: That doesn't make Ubuntu on-topic in this channel, though. |
| 11:43.57 | Guest71387 | i have debian installed too on my pc |
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| 11:44.18 | Guest71387 | i love debian mandriva/magiea and porteus |
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| 11:44.48 | Guest71387 | debian is father of all distros haha |
| 11:45.53 | petn-randall | Guest71387: You could boot into Debian and we could debug the issue there, but there are no guarantees that the solution will also work on Ubuntu. |
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| 11:47.52 | jelly | psdurden, psdurden_, psdurden__ : there is three of you |
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| 11:48.15 | jelly | now there's one of you! |
| 11:48.52 | Guest71387 | darn too much compition between distros,what user like me will end up in ?..DEBIAN should restrict all new distro using deb ...Its hard to go to channel for help..They all says that your query is about ubuntu debian magiea bla bla but my query is general to linux. |
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| 11:49.22 | jelly | Guest71387: you can ask in ##linux then |
| 11:49.24 | petn-randall | Guest71387: If it's general to linux, there's ##linux. |
| 11:50.20 | petn-randall | Guest71387: It's not about competition, it's about separation of concerns. You wouldn't ask your dentist about problems with your stomach, would you? And yet those doctors are not competing. |
| 11:51.08 | josj | sveta2: ok, it is a nice thing and handy to play movies quick, so thanks for that. It seems to also fail making many of the .MTS thumbnails. |
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| 11:52.52 | Guest71387 | all distros origin is debian...Just use is different but they all use deb packages or all apps pack in deb but now a days appimage work on almost all distro is a very intelligent idea |
| 11:53.46 | petn-randall | Guest71387: That's not true. Redhat is another huge distro that has lots of spin-offs. But we're getting offtopic here. |
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| 11:55.25 | Guest71387 | ah thanks |
| 11:56.17 | Guest71387 | i like if debian make a modular iso just like porteus |
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| 11:59.14 | Guest71387 | debian is father and redhat is mother of all distros that ? |
| 11:59.20 | Guest71387 | than |
| 12:00.00 | Guest71387 | i guess rpm is also a deb derivative ? |
| 12:00.40 | Guest71387 | source packages are compiled in deb first than rpm or both together by thier devs ? |
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| 12:01.25 | shtrb | maybe cousin, you can use alien to convert one into the other |
| 12:01.48 | no_gravity | So I am sitting in a coworking space today and via the "Displays" manager in Gnome, I can only set a resolution up to 1680x1050. But I suspect the monitor can run a higher resolution. Is there a way I can try 1920x1080? |
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| 12:02.40 | shtrb | you can add a mode via xrandr |
| 12:02.49 | Guest71387 | cool |
| 12:02.51 | no_gravity | shtrb: How so? |
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| 12:03.32 | no_gravity | Should I try this? xrandr -s 1920x1080 |
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| 12:05.17 | no_gravity | I will try it ... |
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| 12:05.32 | no_gravity | pfff "Size 1920x1080 not found in available modes" |
| 12:05.45 | shtrb | xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_59.90" 172.51 1920 2040 2248 2576 1080 1081 1084 1118 -HSync +Vsync (use at your own risk) |
| 12:05.54 | Guest71387 | i like if debian can make a modular live iso about 350 MB size just like porteus |
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| 12:06.48 | shtrb | and xrandr --addmode eDP-1 (or what ever screen it is) 1920x1080_59.90 |
| 12:07.08 | no_gravity | shtrb: ok .. 3.. 2.. 1.. |
| 12:07.17 | Guest71387 | there is channel for obs ? |
| 12:07.34 | no_gravity | shtrb: Nothing happened. And I still get "Size 1920x1080 not found in available modes" |
| 12:07.52 | shtrb | no_gravity, replace the eDP-1 with your connection |
| 12:08.07 | shtrb | xrandr -q |
| 12:08.10 | Guest71387 | wow it taken me to opensuse build service but not to openbrodcaster |
| 12:08.11 | shtrb | to list all modes |
| 12:08.13 | no_gravity | shtrb: eDP-1? connection? |
| 12:08.43 | shtrb | I gave you two commands (one to declare a mode, and one to add it to a screen) |
| 12:09.07 | Guest71387 | can you suggest me a better vid editor for debian ? i am using kdenlive i guess pitivi is good too. |
| 12:09.14 | no_gravity | shtrb: Ok, let's seee... |
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| 12:09.35 | shtrb | use xrandr -q to get all the names you have |
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| 12:09.59 | raindev | Guest71387, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=obs+irc+channel |
| 12:10.16 | no_gravity | shtrb: Ok, I think I got it working. But then the screen goes dark :) |
| 12:10.28 | no_gravity | I better remove that mode again... |
| 12:10.29 | Guest71387 | raindev thanks |
| 12:10.44 | Guest71387 | thanks petn |
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| 12:12.10 | no_gravity | Maybe 1680x1050 really is the max this monitor can handle. |
| 12:12.27 | shtrb | no_gravity, maybe it's not supported |
| 12:12.59 | no_gravity | shtrb: What is not supported? |
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| 12:13.20 | shtrb | the upper mode (you wrote the same thing few seconds before me) |
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| 12:13.33 | no_gravity | Ah. |
| 12:14.08 | no_gravity | It is a Flatron E22... |
| 12:14.58 | Guest71387 | what is replied with $ xrandr | fgrep '*' |
| 12:15.16 | shtrb | It's rated 1920x1080 maybe my refresh rate is incorrect |
| 12:15.16 | shtrb | oh it's 83 no 60 |
| 12:15.19 | shtrb | mom"1920x1080_83.00" 246.76 1920 2064 2272 2624 1080 1081 1084 1133 -HSync +Vsync |
| 12:15.48 | shtrb | no_gravity, that is the mode you need not the one I gave you before |
| 12:16.13 | Guest71387 | xdpyinfo | grep dimensions |
| 12:17.57 | no_gravity | shtrb: ok, let me try... |
| 12:18.14 | Guest71387 | xdpyinfo | grep dimensions | awk '{print $2}' | awk -Fx '{print $1, $2}' |
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| 12:19.11 | no_gravity | shtrb: after I added the mode, I do this? xrandr -s 1920x1080 |
| 12:19.52 | no_gravity | That gives me a blank screen on the monitor and this on the console: Failed to change the screen configuration! |
| 12:21.13 | no_gravity | Guest71387: dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (508x286 millimeters) |
| 12:21.23 | no_gravity | Guest71387: That's what "xdpyinfo | grep dimensions" outputs. |
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| 12:21.42 | Guest71387 | cool |
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| 12:22.07 | no_gravity | But how do I set it to 1920? |
| 12:22.11 | Guest71387 | it support same as mine but mine monitor is also having xrandr | fgrep '*' 1600x900 60.00* |
| 12:23.16 | Guest71387 | its new version of mesa may be i am not a dev i just duck duck go...I think newer version of debian will automatically choose highest resolution |
| 12:24.00 | no_gravity | I wonder why it is so hard to just set the resolution to 1920x1080... |
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| 12:24.34 | Guest71387 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:25.02 | Guest71387 | no it s not harder .we just do not know tech hehe |
| 12:27.22 | Guest71387 | xrandr | egrep '^[^ ]|[0-9]\*\+' Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1600 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767 VGA1 connected 1600x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 440mm x 250mm 1600x900 60.00*+ VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
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| 12:28.06 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.46 | no_gravity | shtrb: No |
| 12:28.59 | Guest71387 | Enumerate the names of all your video outputs, and the possible resolutions for those currently connected to a monitor: xrandr -q |
| 12:29.14 | Guest71387 | Choose the name of the output you wish to change the resolution of, and: xrandr --output <OUTPUT> --mode 1024x768 |
| 12:29.29 | Guest71387 | Note: If running from a text terminal, that is not running in gfx environment, you'll have to add a -d :0 parameter, i.e: xrandr -d :0 -q xrandr -d :0 --output <OUTPUT> --mode 1024x768 |
| 12:29.35 | no_gravity | Maybe it's because the monitor is connected via the vga output to a vga->mini-display-port adapter? |
| 12:29.45 | shtrb | As Guest71387 said , can you post the output of xrandr -q in some paste site |
| 12:31.04 | Guest71387 | https://pastebin.com/CTUXE9rz |
| 12:31.42 | shtrb | no_gravity, It is possible |
| 12:32.26 | no_gravity | Here is the output of xrandr -q: https://pastebin.com/raw/iTgxrwfT |
| 12:32.27 | shtrb | but DisplayPort usually give you 4K (the ones that I used usb to DisplayPort) |
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| 12:35.37 | Guest71387 | Samsung 20 Inch Widescreen LCD Monitor/ TFT (B2030N) Display Resolution Max 1600x900 SO MAX supported officially is 1600x900 for my monitor |
| 12:36.04 | Guest71387 | its not 1042HD or 4k |
| 12:36.13 | no_gravity | Well, I'm giving up on it. I think it only supports 1680x1050. |
| 12:36.26 | shtrb | Where did you the Samsung 20 bit ? |
| 12:36.45 | shtrb | he said it was Flatron E22 (LG) |
| 12:37.06 | Guest71387 | This will definately help him https://askubuntu.com/questions/281509/how-do-i-change-the-screen-resolution-using-ubuntu-command-line/398740 |
| 12:38.14 | no_gravity | Guest71387: I gave up on it. |
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| 12:39.08 | Guest71387 | yea resolution is automatically selected max supported by monitor by a distro ..we can lower it as per requirement and |
| 12:40.39 | Guest71387 | good bye have farewell |
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| 12:40.42 | Guest71387 | thanks all |
| 12:41.19 | no_gravity | cu |
| 12:41.22 | shtrb | cu |
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| 12:52.14 | kminor | Hey guys my wheezy to jessie dist-upgrade freezes on removing cpp-4.1-doc & breaks the dist-upgrade please help im stuck |
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| 12:52.49 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 12:52.49 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 12:53.05 | petn-randall | kminor: Can you provide *ALL* of the info above in a single paste? |
| 12:53.22 | kminor | ya i'll do 2 2 line pastes |
| 12:53.54 | kminor | dpkg: error processing cpp-4.1-doc (--remove): |
| 12:53.54 | kminor | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.54 | kminor | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 12:53.54 | kminor | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.54 | kminor | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 12:53.54 | dpkg | kminor: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 12:54.01 | kminor | whoops i guess not |
| 12:54.06 | petn-randall | facepalm. |
| 12:54.25 | petn-randall | kminor: Read the factoid again, please. It has a link to the paste site. |
| 12:54.33 | kminor | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 12:54.33 | kminor | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.35 | kminor | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 12:54.39 | kminor | there u go |
| 12:54.50 | shtrb | kminor, stop! |
| 12:55.04 | kminor | then it just stops the dist-upgrade & im not sure where to go from here. |
| 12:55.12 | petn-randall | kminor: And what about 2) and 3) from the factoid? I told you twice now to read the factoid. |
| 12:55.15 | kminor | reading it now |
| 12:55.24 | kminor | sorry i should have used pastebin |
| 12:56.08 | kminor | im just kind of in a hurry & didn't know if anyone had encountered this & could offer advice,because it seems its happened to so many systems on dist-upgrades |
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| 12:56.48 | petn-randall | !hurry |
| 12:56.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, hurry is Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on. |
| 12:56.57 | kminor | !factoid |
| 12:56.57 | dpkg | A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 12:57.43 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 12:57.43 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 12:57.48 | petn-randall | kminor: This one here ^^^ |
| 13:03.21 | Iridos | I understand the pressure⦠but being in a hurry and as a consequence breaking more stuff is usually not very helpful either |
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| 13:10.51 | shtrb | kminor, you are upgrading from ancient to old stable , |
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| 13:16.10 | josj | sveta2: yay magical awesomeness, kido shows thumbs for everything now, maybe it was lagged earlier or some cache deletion helped. Thanks again ! |
| 13:16.26 | josj | kodi* |
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| 13:32.03 | Kobaz | having a problem starting x... i'm unable to start x as a regular user, i get /dev/tty1 permission denied |
| 13:32.25 | Kobaz | permissions look like this: crw------- 1 root tty 4, 1 Jun 19 09:30 /dev/tty1 |
| 13:32.37 | Kobaz | and i'm running startx as a normal user |
| 13:32.38 | shtrb | did you enable it ? |
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| 13:32.45 | Kobaz | enable what? |
| 13:32.58 | greycat | When you logged in on tty1 as yourself, the ownership of /dev/tty1 should have changed. |
| 13:33.05 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 13:33.09 | Kobaz | well it does initially |
| 13:33.09 | greycat | Something is wrong with your login session/systemd/something. |
| 13:33.13 | Kobaz | i log in as 'kobaz' |
| 13:33.20 | greycat | what do you mean "Initially"? what are you talking about now? |
| 13:33.21 | Kobaz | the ownership is then kobaz:tty |
| 13:33.26 | greycat | what changes it? |
| 13:33.33 | Kobaz | and then i do startx, and then after the startx it's root:tty |
| 13:33.52 | greycat | That is not how Debian 9 works for me. Ownership remains mine. |
| 13:34.01 | greycat | crw------- 1 wooledg tty 4, 1 Jun 5 08:18 /dev/tty1 |
| 13:34.21 | Kobaz | so, let me rewind... i'm on stretch.... had a power failure at 3am this morning |
| 13:34.38 | greycat | Did it work yesterday? |
| 13:34.39 | Kobaz | everything was fine previously... and i shut down... now i'm back up and x is teh borks |
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| 13:35.11 | Kobaz | and i don't use systemd... standard sysv, pretty much all the systemd packages are removed |
| 13:35.15 | greycat | That's going to be hard to diagnose. Some sort of bizarre file system corruption? |
| 13:35.29 | Kobaz | i don't think so, it was a clean shutdown |
| 13:35.35 | Kobaz | btrfs scrub is clean |
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| 13:36.07 | greycat | Oh, btrfs. I'm backing away slowly now... not making eye contact.... |
| 13:36.11 | Kobaz | so the weird problem |
| 13:36.27 | Kobaz | is that when i booted back up, systemd hikacked everything |
| 13:36.33 | Kobaz | so i had to remove it again |
| 13:36.55 | shtrb | how did systemd` get in after you removed it ? |
| 13:37.03 | Kobaz | not sure |
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| 13:37.25 | shtrb | If you uninstalled it , only apt or you can bring it in |
| 13:37.34 | greycat | Did you know that tens of thousands of Debian users KEEP systemd installed, and everything simply works? |
| 13:37.45 | greycat | Also they don't use freakin' btrfs. |
| 13:37.50 | Kobaz | until it breaks |
| 13:37.57 | Kobaz | and btrfs is fine for raid-1 |
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| 13:38.47 | shtrb | greycat, populism |
| 13:38.58 | graff | what is the proper way to update a debian system |
| 13:39.11 | Kobaz | exactly |
| 13:39.14 | graff | i want to make sure our server is getting all the security updates and whatnot |
| 13:39.15 | greycat | What kind of update exactly? |
| 13:39.18 | Kobaz | just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's good |
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| 13:39.38 | greycat | graff: make sure a security.debian.org sources.list line is present, and do "apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade" daily or so. |
| 13:39.44 | graff | greycat: idk. just basic measures to takes care of some level of security responsibilities? |
| 13:39.50 | graff | greycat: hmm daily, that is a lot |
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| 13:39.59 | shtrb | back to the issue, you need to understand how systemd` got installed (if you say you have removed it) |
| 13:40.11 | Kobaz | yeah, not sure |
| 13:40.21 | Kobaz | could have been anything since the last reboot (months ago) |
| 13:40.23 | shtrb | and by remove you mean apt-get remove ? |
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| 13:40.34 | Kobaz | apt-get remove and dpkg --purge |
| 13:40.41 | RoyK | apt-get purge, perhaps |
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| 13:41.08 | Kobaz | so the only systemd stuff left is the bare minimum |
| 13:41.12 | Kobaz | like shim and whatnot |
| 13:41.21 | graff | greycat: does that require any kind of rebooting ever? |
| 13:41.27 | graff | I don't want to have to reboot the server |
| 13:41.33 | Kobaz | firefox:8044): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly. |
| 13:41.38 | greycat | If there's a kernel upgrade, yes, you'll want to reboot for the new kernel. Otherwise, typically not. |
| 13:41.41 | Kobaz | having all kinds of permission issues |
| 13:41.47 | realm | hey all how do I get postgresql or apt to reinit my postgres db |
| 13:41.47 | graff | oh jesus |
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| 13:41.56 | realm | I tried purge |
| 13:42.00 | realm | and re'isstalling |
| 13:42.03 | realm | still did not recreate it |
| 13:42.04 | shtrb | greycat, and systemd` does not "just work" it is like a toothache you are waiting for a dentist appontment , you know it's broken but you don't have much except accept it |
| 13:42.13 | greycat | shtrb: Funny, it works for me. |
| 13:42.32 | RoyK | why did you remove systemd in the first place? |
| 13:42.39 | Kobaz | personal opinions shouldn't be expanded out to describe the world as a whole |
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| 13:43.04 | RoyK | mutters something about neophoiba |
| 13:43.04 | Kobaz | RoyK: because shit randomly breaks and it's insanely time consuming to diagnose |
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| 13:43.27 | Kobaz | i would rather things "just work" |
| 13:43.31 | Kobaz | like it does with sysv |
| 13:43.35 | Kobaz | personal preference... you know |
| 13:43.45 | RoyK | Kobaz: IMHO systemd "just works" |
| 13:43.49 | greycat | The only true thing you've said so far is "personal preference". |
| 13:43.58 | Kobaz | anyway |
| 13:44.00 | RoyK | I was a sceptic until I learned a bit more |
| 13:44.02 | Kobaz | so something is broken |
| 13:44.19 | shtrb | greycat, I was bitten by systemd` too many times but I still use it (the fact it didn't happen to you is nice , but does not cover the rest) |
| 13:44.24 | Kobaz | systemd does seem like a mix of 'the right way' and an utter pile of monolithic turds |
| 13:44.39 | Kobaz | so.. i'm not sure if i want a mix of the two |
| 13:44.40 | graff | is scared to upgrade and get a poetterbug |
| 13:44.41 | greycat | that's why all the monolithic crap is turned off by default |
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| 13:44.57 | shtrb | Kobaz, can you check the commands you run to see how systemd` was installed ? |
| 13:45.05 | Kobaz | probably not |
| 13:45.05 | graff | i will need to wait until after work and then back everything up first |
| 13:45.09 | Kobaz | i don't keep history back that far |
| 13:45.11 | RoyK | greycat: the linux kernel is monolithic ;) |
| 13:45.18 | Kobaz | right |
| 13:45.21 | Kobaz | it's monolithic |
| 13:45.22 | shtrb | greycat, let's move that to #debian-offtopic ? (systemD a divine creation that can not do any harm) |
| 13:45.27 | Kobaz | but not filled with turds |
| 13:45.38 | Kobaz | there's a pretty big difference |
| 13:45.43 | Kobaz | anyway... so i still have permission problems |
| 13:45.57 | graff | i don't understand why the kernel is not statically compiled for race free run time upgrading and then i could just upgrade with kexec! |
| 13:46.05 | greycat | Kobaz: It definitely seems like something is failing to assign ownerships in your login session. |
| 13:46.10 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 13:46.28 | shtrb | Kobaz, can you verify is systemD is really installed ? |
| 13:46.33 | graff | though that would be a really big kernel :p |
| 13:47.04 | graff | anyway, thank for the help. i will do this after a backup tonight |
| 13:47.10 | Kobaz | shtrb: why? i want to make sure it's gone |
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| 13:47.34 | greycat | I'm also seeing "I use btrfs and shit keeps randomly breaking all the time so I blame systemd so I removed systemd and installed sysvinit core and shit is still breaking all the time but it couldn't POSSIBLY be btrfs" |
| 13:47.38 | shtrb | Kobaz, I'm talking about the state (you said it was installed after you removed, not to install it again ) |
| 13:47.46 | Kobaz | yeah i'm not sure |
| 13:47.57 | Kobaz | like i said anything could have happened since i last rebooted probably in like april |
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| 13:48.30 | Kobaz | i'm going around reinstalling a bunch of the core packages |
| 13:48.31 | shtrb | Kobaz, dpkg --get-selections | grep The project that shall not be named |
| 13:48.32 | Kobaz | we'll see.. |
| 13:48.39 | shtrb | grep systemd` sorry (auto replace) |
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| 13:49.40 | Kobaz | some lib stuff is still in there |
| 13:49.45 | Kobaz | lemme fix that |
| 13:50.23 | shtrb | Kobaz, dpkg --get-selections | grep systemd |
| 13:50.37 | Kobaz | right |
| 13:50.38 | Kobaz | https://pastebin.com/3dRUSBxy |
| 13:50.41 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 13:50.43 | Kobaz | i weas still removing stuff |
| 13:50.48 | Kobaz | so that's basically the bare minimum |
| 13:50.48 | realm | ah got it |
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| 13:51.05 | realm | ok so now when I type 'systemctl enable postgresql; systemctl start postgresql' it said it has started |
| 13:51.10 | realm | but it appears to just immediately exit |
| 13:51.13 | realm | with no hint as to why |
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| 13:51.22 | Kobaz | i can't remove systemd because things like hplip need it |
| 13:51.36 | Kobaz | i gotta put in another bug report on that |
| 13:51.44 | Kobaz | there's no reason for a hard dependecy on systemd being installed |
| 13:51.46 | greycat | realm: start with "systemctl status postgresql" as root, and see if you get enough info from that. If not, you may have to read log files. |
| 13:52.02 | realm | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.08 | realm | exited with 0 |
| 13:52.34 | greycat | Not just that line. There should be all kinds of lines, including stuff that looks like it was grepped out of a log file, if you ran it as root. |
| 13:52.43 | Kobaz | shtrb: haha so you have an auto replace for systemd to 'The project that shall not be named' ? |
| 13:53.04 | realm | greycat, nothing |
| 13:53.12 | realm | just exit 0 no lines else at all |
| 13:53.21 | greycat | realm: guess you need to look for the postgresql log files, then |
| 13:53.35 | realm | greycat, I am they are utterly as uninspiring |
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| 13:54.00 | realm | infact if I tail the log files |
| 13:54.10 | realm | and try to start postgres it adds nothing to its log files |
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| 13:54.43 | realm | if I purge postgres |
| 13:54.50 | realm | it should automatically reinit its self right |
| 13:54.59 | shtrb | Kobaz, yes |
| 13:55.31 | greycat | realm: I'm not sure if purging the -server packages also purges the database directories |
| 13:55.40 | realm | greycat, rm -RF should have though |
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| 13:55.55 | realm | and .. nope |
| 13:56.01 | realm | did not init anything empty data directories |
| 13:56.05 | realm | how do I force apt to do the init |
| 13:56.06 | greycat | It's -rf and please tell me you did that WHILE the -server packages were purged.... |
| 13:56.37 | realm | yeah I chained them apt-get purge postgresql; rm -Rf /var/lib/postgresql/10 && apt-get install postgresql |
| 13:57.11 | greycat | looks like the server package is named "postgresql-9.6" |
| 13:57.23 | realm | I use version 10 from the postgresql upstream |
| 13:57.24 | greycat | You only purged postgresql and not postgresql-9.6 ? |
| 13:57.29 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 13:57.31 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 13:57.47 | greycat | Another non-Debian user on the /ignore list. NEXT! |
| 13:57.54 | shtrb | realm, if that's not from debian it does not exist |
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| 13:58.09 | greycat | It may exist, but we can't possibly be expected to support it. |
| 13:58.16 | realm | shtrb, I see |
| 13:58.31 | petn-randall | realm: What does 'pg_lsclusteers' return? |
| 13:58.47 | petn-randall | `pg_lsclusters` |
| 13:58.50 | realm | -su: pg_lsclusteers: command not found â |
| 13:58.56 | shtrb | realm, when you install from non debian stuff there is virtually no option for apt to be sure about it |
| 13:58.58 | realm | I am the postgres system user |
| 13:59.10 | petn-randall | realm: Then you're not even using the Debian packages from postgres, it seems. |
| 13:59.33 | petn-randall | Or you don't have it properly installed. |
| 13:59.35 | `whoami` | there's a typo in the command |
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| 13:59.59 | realm | interesting |
| 14:00.04 | realm | I do not seem to be using the postgres upstream |
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| 14:00.07 | petn-randall | realm: Right, I corrected it to `pg_lsclusters` |
| 14:00.08 | realm | seems I am just using the debian ones |
| 14:00.17 | realm | according to sources.list |
| 14:00.35 | petn-randall | realm: sources.list is not the way to figure out where it's installed from. |
| 14:00.36 | realm | 10 main 5432 down <unknown> /var/lib/postgresql/10/main /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-10-main.log |
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| 14:00.59 | petn-randall | realm: Check /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-10-main.log why it's not coming up. |
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| 14:01.16 | realm | petn-randall, It does not appear to be written to even when I try to start postgres |
| 14:01.22 | realm | tail -f in another tab |
| 14:01.24 | realm | it never changes |
| 14:01.54 | shtrb | tail -f /var/log/syslog ? |
| 14:02.26 | petn-randall | realm: Try purging all those packages (and also the postgres cluster) and installing those from Debian. |
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| 14:02.40 | realm | permissions errors all over th eshop |
| 14:02.43 | realm | cannot write to the pid |
| 14:02.44 | shtrb | And make sure you only have DEBIAN in sources.list |
| 14:02.47 | realm | cannot read th edata directory |
| 14:02.55 | realm | easy to fix those at least |
| 14:02.57 | realm | one mo |
| 14:03.13 | shtrb | if you have non debian mirrors nuke them out |
| 14:03.37 | realm | shtrb, https://paste.ee/p/NNDin |
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| 14:04.37 | realm | https://paste.ee/p/kOKha |
| 14:06.13 | realm | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.17 | realm | won't exist |
| 14:06.19 | realm | its not been init'd |
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| 14:07.03 | petn-randall | ⦠|
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| 14:08.14 | petn-randall | realm: `pg_dropcluster 10 main` will remove that cluster. |
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| 14:08.57 | realm | done with warnings |
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| 14:09.52 | realm | I assume the opposite and createcluster? |
| 14:11.47 | realm | ok we now have main/ with all the DB files |
| 14:11.51 | realm | owned by postgres:postgres |
| 14:12.22 | realm | finally got that dman thing running |
| 14:12.34 | realm | kinda moronic to think knowledge of another OS would translate well >.> |
| 14:12.35 | realm | cheers guys |
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| 14:21.40 | no_gravity | Sometimes my laptop takes ages to shut down. It seems to happen when I have logged into certain wifi spots while it was on. Any ideas to find out what is going on? |
| 14:21.58 | petn-randall | no_gravity: I'd check the logs. |
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| 14:22.06 | no_gravity | petn-randall: Which one? |
| 14:22.14 | petn-randall | no_gravity: /var/log/kern.log and daemon.log for starters. |
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| 14:23.25 | petn-randall | no_gravity: If you have a persistent systemd journal, `journalctl -b -1` will show you all of it in a single journal. |
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| 14:23.47 | no_gravity | petn-randall: I don't. |
| 14:24.28 | no_gravity | petn-randall: how do I see what took long in those logs? |
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| 14:25.36 | petn-randall | no_gravity: Scroll to the last boot and have a look at the timestamps. |
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| 14:25.50 | no_gravity | petn-randall: How do I find the boot? |
| 14:26.00 | no_gravity | There are gazillion lines in kern.log |
| 14:26.03 | petn-randall | no_gravity: From the bottom (end), scroll up (pgup) and look at the timestamps to find the last boot. |
| 14:26.10 | no_gravity | I do that. |
| 14:26.18 | no_gravity | I scroll past trillionzillion lines... |
| 14:26.23 | no_gravity | How do I notice its boot time? |
| 14:27.17 | petn-randall | no_gravity: All lines in kern.log start with "kernel: [ 0.110417]". That number is the seconds since boot. |
| 14:27.31 | no_gravity | Not here |
| 14:27.42 | no_gravity | They start like this: Jun 19 16:26:42 |
| 14:27.52 | petn-randall | no_gravity: Can you paste a single line from that log? |
| 14:28.01 | no_gravity | Ah, after it comes the number you mentioned. |
| 14:28.06 | petn-randall | yes :) |
| 14:28.11 | greycat | After that, there should be [800379.551138] or similar |
| 14:28.24 | no_gravity | Yeah |
| 14:28.37 | no_gravity | For *some* lines. |
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| 14:29.04 | petn-randall | no_gravity: That way you can pin-point the exact time when you rebooted. All of the lines should have that, though. |
| 14:29.09 | greycat | For literally every line. Note that some lines may be longer than your tty and therefore may wrap. |
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| 14:30.45 | no_gravity | Most lines have it. Not the ones starting with "Jun 19 15:46:57 mymachine NetworkManager[..." though. |
| 14:31.36 | no_gravity | There are many of those before the boot. So that hardened my suspicion it has to do with wifi. |
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| 14:32.46 | no_gravity | I wonder why the machine thinks it has to use the wifi before shutdown. |
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| 14:33.55 | no_gravity | I will try to disable wifi before shutdown. |
| 14:33.59 | no_gravity | Lets see if that helps... |
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| 14:44.51 | lembron | uhm... Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) "[revoked: 2018-06-09]" :/ |
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| 14:46.31 | lembron | where and how can i find the replacement? for AED4B06F473041FA |
| 14:46.47 | perr-paranoic | Hi, Access to google drive with Institutional email crash only with Debian... How I can do? Thank you |
| 14:47.14 | jelly | lembron: which repo are you accessing? |
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| 14:47.51 | lembron | "in the end" its pulling in a package from lenny - while running in jessie |
| 14:48.10 | jelly | which SPECIFIC repo? |
| 14:48.13 | jelly | !bat |
| 14:48.14 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 14:49.55 | lembron | worked 7 months ago by first pulling in AED4B06F473041FA (what is now revoked) - and with its help pull the expired lenny key 4D270D06F42584E6 - "last worked" is dockerbuild 6 months ago |
| 14:50.20 | petn-randall | lembron: See the factoid from dpkg. Can you provide all the info in a single paste? |
| 14:50.26 | greycat | Oh, it's a DOCKER question. OK. Now I know I can just /ignore. |
| 14:50.43 | greycat | See, life is so simple. |
| 14:50.44 | lembron | working on paste yes |
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| 14:52.03 | jelly | lembron: you will want to have the whole debian-archive-keyring package from something like squeeze, squeeze-lts or lenny installed, not specific keys |
| 14:52.24 | jelly | and then you'll "only" see KEYEXPIRED issues |
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| 14:52.42 | petn-randall | greycat: I know showing sass can be fun, but it's not always helpful. |
| 14:52.44 | jelly | cherry picking keys is not a greatest idea |
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| 14:53.21 | jelly | whether we like it or not people now run Debian inside crappy container-based automation solutions |
| 14:53.57 | lembron | but id need the "first key" still to then install the lenny archive keyring dont i? - and thats kinda what i used todo - but that first one got revoked "last week" ;D |
| 14:55.04 | jelly | lembron: the tool used to create the OS installation ought to install that package I guess |
| 14:55.39 | petn-randall | Well, docker is packaged in Debian, and also the Debian images are officially provided by Debian, so it can't be all that bad. |
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| 14:55.55 | jelly | laughs heartily |
| 14:56.08 | jelly | debootstrap has --keyring= |
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| 14:56.53 | AliceKelly | interested in knowing what was / is wrong with webgl ? |
| 14:57.19 | greycat | Are you the one trying to get webgl to work on some ancient mobility radeon thing? |
| 14:57.30 | AliceKelly | i am / was |
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| 14:57.58 | greycat | See "/topic #xorg" maybe? |
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| 14:58.22 | AliceKelly | i figured out what was wrong and theres no fixing it |
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| 15:02.19 | AliceKelly | I have 18 different machines of varying age up to an i7 i tested with both stretch debian and winblows 10. any machine that ran a 32 bit os webgl failed on |
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| 15:03.05 | AliceKelly | but when insalled as 64bit on a 64bit system webgl ran fine |
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| 15:11.48 | jelly | AliceKelly: which browser did you test? |
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| 15:12.46 | AliceKelly | chromium/chrome firefox opera internet exploder ms edge |
| 15:13.32 | jelly | I meant on Linux |
| 15:14.02 | AliceKelly | chromium firefox opera and a couple no name ones |
| 15:15.01 | jelly | chrome, not chromium, worked for me WHEN the stars and drivers were aligned, but then they stopped making 32bit builds |
| 15:15.04 | shtrb | AliceKelly, wine for the rescue |
| 15:15.28 | AliceKelly | exactly |
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| 15:16.21 | no_gravity | Back again. The shutdown took long again :/ |
| 15:16.32 | AliceKelly | im not sure exactly exactly what the problem is but it can be replicated. webgl doesnt want to run on a 32 bit os |
| 15:17.32 | no_gravity | Maybe I should kill -9 everything related to networking before shutting the machine down? |
| 15:17.51 | greycat | ... not funny. |
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| 15:18.57 | jelly | no_gravity: systemd? |
| 15:19.02 | no_gravity | jelly: ? |
| 15:19.06 | jelly | which init? |
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| 15:19.15 | no_gravity | jelly: What does that mean? |
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| 15:19.28 | greycat | no_gravity: ls -l /sbin/init |
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| 15:19.42 | jelly | no_gravity: which init system is used on the machine that "shutdown took long again" |
| 15:19.42 | no_gravity | greycat: systemd |
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| 15:20.45 | no_gravity | It seems to happen when I logged into certain wifi hotspots |
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| 15:23.15 | no_gravity | Some people on the net suggest removing wifi drivers with modprobe -r before shutdown. |
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| 15:26.31 | RedSoxFan07 | I'm running Debian Stretch and I installed nvidia-driver and its dependencies from the stretch-backports repositories. I want to see if there's an update for nvidia-driver and its dependences in stretch-backports so I can just update them and not everything else. How do I have apt list the updates available in the stretch-backports repository? |
| 15:27.09 | greycat | Why don't you want to update "everything else"? |
| 15:27.30 | greycat | It's not like there's a shit-ton of security updates in stretch at the moment. |
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| 15:28.35 | shtrb | no_gravity, NFS ? |
| 15:28.58 | no_gravity | shtrb: What is that? A network filesystem? |
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| 15:30.00 | shtrb | yes , if you are using NFS it may cause slow shutdown |
| 15:30.15 | no_gravity | No, I'm not using it. |
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| 15:31.03 | RedSoxFan07 | greycat: I thought updating everything else would bring my Stretch installation all the way up to Buster. |
| 15:31.16 | RedSoxFan07 | greycat: Or am I wrong about that? |
| 15:31.17 | greycat | Why would you think that? |
| 15:31.36 | greycat | If your sources.list lines say "stretch" and "stretch-backports" then you will not get buster packages. |
| 15:31.48 | RedSoxFan07 | greycat: Okay, cool. |
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| 15:34.10 | RedSoxFan07 | greycat: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 15:37.35 | lembron | well after some more digging, seems "there is no new key" https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys/archive-key-5.0.asc is also the revoked one |
| 15:38.44 | AliceKelly | anyone know a debian alternative to bulk image downloader |
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| 15:42.14 | no_gravity | AliceKelly: What does it do? |
| 15:42.45 | AliceKelly | you righ click a page and say download all images |
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| 15:43.03 | AliceKelly | and it downloads all images to a folder |
| 15:43.06 | no_gravity | That sounds like a browser plugin. |
| 15:43.32 | AliceKelly | winblows program |
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| 15:45.27 | greycat | Sounds like a browser extension to me too. |
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| 15:56.47 | GNU\colossus | AliceKelly, maybe https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/save-all-images-webextension/ can do what you want? |
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| 16:10.21 | limbo_ | AliceKelly: all images from the page, or all images open in tabs? |
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| 16:22.30 | lembron | guess ill go with "deb [trusted=yes] ..." repo until they release a new key, if ever :/ |
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| 16:36.02 | petn-randall | RedSoxFan07: Come on, dude. You've been here long enough to know that you need to use a paste site. |
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| 16:37.56 | sidetracking | what's the absolute, 100% EASIEST way to run a command on boot, every time |
| 16:37.59 | sidetracking | don |
| 16:38.07 | sidetracking | don't mind downloading a package or something like that |
| 16:38.16 | greycat | put it in /etc/rc.local and chmod +x /etc/rc.local and make sure it has a proper shebang |
| 16:38.18 | nkuttler | what kind of command? |
| 16:38.19 | petn-randall | sidetracking: Add a cron job with time @reboot? |
| 16:38.30 | greycat | Oh, hmm, that's easy too... |
| 16:38.31 | petn-randall | sidetracking: Or what greycat said. |
| 16:38.39 | sidetracking | thanks boyz |
| 16:38.40 | greycat | OK, one of those two has to be easiest. |
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| 16:39.11 | greycat | (Mine was easier in jessie than it is in a brand new stretch install, since the rc.local file is no longer created and chmodded for you.) |
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| 16:40.03 | petn-randall | It depends on if the process returns or not. If it doesn't, rc.local will likely block. At least on sysv init. |
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| 16:40.33 | greycat | If the process blocks, then you put & on the end of it, just like any other shell script. |
| 16:40.38 | sidetracking | it's just a Go program that needs to run continuously |
| 16:41.04 | nkuttler | if that's a need, you might want to use a supervisor |
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| 16:41.12 | petn-randall | sidetracking: Then creating a systemd unit might be a tad more sensible. |
| 16:41.25 | sidetracking | i know, i tried and failed |
| 16:41.29 | greycat | Depends on how you weigh BETTER vs. EASIER. |
| 16:41.30 | sidetracking | can i show you my init.d script |
| 16:41.36 | greycat | NEVER make an init.d script! |
| 16:41.37 | greycat | EVER! |
| 16:41.40 | sidetracking | >_________> |
| 16:41.40 | greycat | That's horrible! |
| 16:41.47 | petn-randall | hahaha |
| 16:41.54 | greycat | A systemd unit file is like 1000 times easier. |
| 16:41.55 | petn-randall | greycat is at it again ;) |
| 16:41.55 | sidetracking | wat do then |
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| 16:42.01 | sidetracking | how |
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| 16:42.13 | greycat | Either make a systemd unit file, or use rc.local correctly, or use crontab correctly. |
| 16:42.35 | sidetracking | how can i test rc.local |
| 16:42.35 | greycat | here's a tutorial for systemd unit files: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services |
| 16:42.37 | sidetracking | just reboot? |
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| 16:43.34 | greycat | Ultimately, rebooting is the only full test of your changes. |
| 16:43.52 | greycat | !rc.local |
| 16:43.53 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd> |
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| 16:45.05 | sidetracking | sounds good to me |
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| 17:02.50 | Freenoodle | Since upgrading to sid today, I have got the warning from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=901830 that no cryptsetup functions are present in the initrams. But there is no information on how to get them into it. I don't need cryptsetup initramfs support right now, but I might in the future |
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| 17:04.16 | Freenoodle | Also, anybody can tell me a working way of downgrading all from unstable to testing? Setting up apt pinning with testing priority 1001 and unstable priority 60 doesn't do anything. |
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| 17:05.59 | jelly | Freenoodle: remove unstable repos, wait 2-6 months |
| 17:06.09 | jelly | and try again |
| 17:06.18 | jelly | also |
| 17:06.21 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 17:06.22 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:06.47 | jelly | Freenoodle: and /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 17:07.11 | Freenoodle | jelly, no that's not what I what. I did downgradessssss in the past with apt-pinning, they worked. But I was surprised to see that they down't work anymore |
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| 17:07.27 | rfleming | Greetings. |
| 17:08.03 | jelly | I honestly have no idea why pinning to 1000+ would not work, but then again, it's sid. and testing. |
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| 17:08.25 | jelly | if it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces |
| 17:08.33 | greycat | s/if/when/ |
| 17:08.44 | rfleming | In KDE, on the plasma panel, how does one change the highlight colour from that blue... to anything that isn't blue. I've changed color schemes, I've changed desktop appearance... everything I could find, and still have blue as the highlight colour. |
| 17:09.19 | rfleming | everything else has changed... just that one dumb thing |
| 17:09.58 | jelly | task manager mouseover hilight? |
| 17:10.03 | rfleming | yeah |
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| 17:10.07 | jelly | no idea :-) |
| 17:10.16 | rfleming | and the app menu mouseover highlight |
| 17:10.24 | rfleming | is sick of blue |
| 17:10.42 | jelly | ah, I almost never use that so I never noticed |
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| 17:10.53 | rfleming | jelly: hell, I even switched to Latte Dock to get away from it, and the highlight colors there are still blue |
| 17:10.56 | jelly | just Alt-F2 and starts typing |
| 17:11.31 | jelly | perhaps upstream might know, #kde |
| 17:11.40 | rfleming | good idea. |
| 17:11.43 | Freenoodle | jelly, thanks for trying to help, anyway |
| 17:11.54 | rfleming | I'll bug them :) |
| 17:13.08 | jelly | beware of the inevitable "5.8!??! So old we don't even! (support it)" |
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| 17:13.31 | rfleming | I'm using testing, so I'm up to 5.12 :) |
| 17:13.57 | jelly | but the same blue as on my stretch. |
| 17:14.20 | rfleming | yeah... blue line under each task, and mouse-over on app menu |
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| 17:21.15 | rfleming | jelly: the sound of silence is all that can be heard on #kde right now :) |
| 17:21.42 | greycat | great time to ask your question, then |
| 17:21.53 | rfleming | hehe, that's after asking :) |
| 17:21.59 | megaTherion | better not, enjoy the silence |
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| 17:45.24 | mallxs | setting up a new stretch as router, i see that if i remove a eth card that then a other eth card gets a other name enp11s0 -> enp12s0 making my interfaces file not wordking any more, is there a rtfm some where i should consult ? |
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| 17:47.34 | jim | mallxs, I think there are device rules (maybe udev?) that associate mac address to interface name... maybe you can find the rule in question and change its mac? |
| 17:47.35 | Ouroboros | persistent interface names were supposed to fix this :P |
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| 17:47.59 | Ouroboros | no, this is not udev, i don't think |
| 17:49.01 | mallxs | thanks folks for the udev hint.. will look into it |
| 17:49.02 | Ouroboros | well, not the old udev way, i mean, it is still udev |
| 17:50.00 | Ouroboros | mallxs: there are n different ways of doing this now, i suggest that you search for "persistent interface names" on se etc |
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| 17:50.15 | jim | mallxs, you might also have to find the rule that has the current interface's mac addr and delete that rule |
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| 17:51.20 | Ouroboros | mallxs: but why are you removing cards so much? |
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| 17:51.34 | mallxs | jim: is't there a command to clean that upas i'm swapping carts all the time now |
| 17:52.21 | mallxs | Ouroboros: i'm testing how many cards i can get in my asrock p67 extreme4 gen3 |
| 17:52.42 | Ouroboros | mallxs: maybe the simplest way is to disable persistent interface names by passing a flag on the kernel command line |
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| 17:52.55 | Ouroboros | but then they may not be persistent in a different way, so ymmv |
| 17:53.07 | jim | I don't know of a command that specifically does that |
| 17:53.37 | mallxs | thx again for the keywords .. i will google |
| 17:54.15 | Ouroboros | mallxs: i have all the links on my other computer, but i am too lazy to get them now :P |
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| 18:06.14 | Ouroboros | in what situations is ipv6 link-local address actually used? |
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| 18:07.29 | Dagger | RAs and NDP use it (which also means default routes tend to be pointed to link-local addresses) |
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| 18:08.24 | Dagger | it's also quite useful for connecting to machines when you screw up/don't know the network config on them |
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| 18:11.56 | Ouroboros | sorry, let me clarify, i know that routers may use and advertise their ll address, but when do non-routers use their own ll address? i believe that they use the unspecified address for ndp? |
| 18:12.40 | Ouroboros | in other words, if i were to disable the ll address, it should not break ndp or any global communication? |
| 18:13.10 | greycat | why would you touch it at all? |
| 18:13.23 | Ouroboros | shrug, because ocd |
| 18:13.38 | Dagger | ...yeah, leave it alone |
| 18:13.44 | greycat | You obsessively and compulsively break shit at random all day long? |
| 18:13.51 | Ouroboros | yes |
| 18:13.53 | Dagger | tcpdump shows that it's used for NDP, so there |
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| 18:14.22 | greycat | Couldn't you get some LEGOs or something? |
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| 18:15.41 | Ouroboros | it is more about understanding how it all works |
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| 18:16.35 | greycat | My understanding is "this is an address that's guaranteed to be here if I need it, even when other addresses come and go", so removing it seems like a really poor idea. |
| 18:17.28 | GNU\colossus | lol @ legos :D |
| 18:19.20 | jim | but legos are harder to break! |
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| 18:19.52 | greycat | the intent was you'd build something and then tear it apart, and that would satisfy the "breaking" impulse, but who knows |
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| 18:21.03 | jim | and then use the pieces to build some other thing |
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| 18:38.38 | Ouroboros | mallxs: askubuntu.com/questions/628217 serverfault.com/questions/856850 unix.stackexchange.com/questions/396382 unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28878 major.io/2015/08/21/understanding-systemds-predictable-network-device-names/ and references therein |
| 18:40.34 | Ouroboros | greycat: actually, the way that ipv6 configuration is currently done is really opaque, after digging through sysctls and iproute options for days, i finally understand some things |
| 18:41.00 | Ouroboros | was any of it necessary? of course, no :P |
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| 18:42.06 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Link-local_address says "All interfaces of IPv6 hosts require a link-local address." There, that took a lot less than "days". |
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| 18:44.51 | Ouroboros | there were... other things too |
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| 18:47.44 | Ouroboros | and, documentation is no substitute for testing, e.g., do you know how many things are plain wrong in ip-systctl.txt? many |
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| 18:51.01 | somiaj | file bugreports and submit patches to fix them then. |
| 18:51.05 | Ouroboros | i may submit a patch at some point, but really whoever wrote it should fix it |
| 18:52.46 | somiaj | sure, pass the responsibility, or contribute and fix things. |
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| 18:53.13 | somiaj | it could be it was correct at the time it was written, and just hasn't been updated or overlooked. You seem to notice some things and might even know how to fix them, hence best to contribute. |
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| 18:56.43 | Ouroboros | yeah, exactly, the documentation needs to match the kernel version, but it takes a long time to dig through the kernel source changes |
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| 18:57.56 | Ouroboros | it costs me 10x more than it costs them, and still i will likely submit a patch, but it is not as if i feel that i do not contribute enough :P |
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| 19:32.27 | dutchfish | Ouroboros, i think you are right about the docs, same goes for latest changes in ipv6 and nftables. |
| 19:33.32 | dutchfish | Ouroboros, on the other hand i use most of the time the docs inside the sources |
| 19:33.58 | Ouroboros | some of the comments in there are hilarious |
| 19:34.09 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 19:36.58 | dutchfish | Ouroboros, i use this for a quick overview of the changes https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/log/?h=v4.17.2&qt=grep&q=doc%3A |
| 19:37.23 | dutchfish | Ouroboros, good luck |
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| 19:37.36 | logginghelp | My debian brothers |
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| 19:38.06 | logginghelp | what is a good way to aggregate all system logs (/var/log, journald, etc) into a mysql database |
| 19:38.12 | frozenrouter_ | quick question about scp, which I am backing up a system with just now (strange noises from HDD, ironically none so far during backup), is there any sort of data integrity (tcp/hashing) used with the scp command? |
| 19:38.43 | logginghelp | frozenrouter_: just tcp's packet checksums |
| 19:39.25 | frozenrouter_ | IIRC, they will allow it to be known if data was corrupted during transport, and the order it is in? |
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| 19:40.05 | nic_ | debian iso from usb error File Not Contiguous ! solution please |
| 19:40.56 | greycat | If you're doing a full backup I would use rsync instead of scp. |
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| 19:41.13 | logginghelp | ^ |
| 19:41.29 | greycat | Hell, I would use tar cf - . | ssh root@remote 'cd /foo && tar xf -' over scp. |
| 19:41.46 | frozenrouter_ | rsync is probably preferrable, however I am not familiar with it, and wanted to get my important data folders first, if the disk was bad and likely to fail |
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| 19:42.02 | RoyK | greycat: try rsync |
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| 19:43.11 | logginghelp | I need a good simple way of log collection and storage |
| 19:43.19 | logginghelp | :> |
| 19:43.26 | logginghelp | Something that scales |
| 19:43.47 | frozenrouter_ | The general important question for me (I suspect the answer will be yes, but I need to be really sure), is if I copy something over scp, can I trust it to not be corrupted or missing parts of the file? |
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| 19:44.06 | greycat | It will be corrupted if the source file on disk is corrupted. |
| 19:44.19 | greycat | It will be intact if the source file on disk is intact. |
| 19:44.42 | logginghelp | ^ |
| 19:44.42 | jhutchins_wk | frozenrouter_: I belive scp does checksumming, I know rsync does. |
| 19:44.45 | frozenrouter_ | alright, thats good to know, thanks greycat :) |
| 19:45.05 | greycat | It's like cp with a network involved, and mangling of destination pathnames if they have spaces in them. |
| 19:45.05 | nic_ | any defraggler alternative for linux |
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| 19:45.35 | logginghelp | nic_: your filesystem auto de-frags if its ext |
| 19:45.38 | greycat | (source pathnames with spaces are fine, just not destination pathnames) |
| 19:45.43 | jhutchins_wk | logginghelp: rsyslog can log to a remote server. |
| 19:45.46 | logginghelp | I'm pretty sure ext, xfs, openzfs |
| 19:45.51 | frozenrouter_ | sounds like my files should be in the best condition they can arrive in for my ASAP backup, thanks guys :) |
| 19:45.51 | nic_ | its fat32 usb |
| 19:46.28 | nic_ | ext will ate my usb |
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| 19:47.11 | logginghelp | ??? |
| 19:47.25 | nic_ | alternative to defraggler in debian ? |
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| 19:48.22 | ksk | nic_: as far as I know flash memroy based things dont work like spinning disks, so running a "defragmentation" is not a thing. |
| 19:48.24 | greycat | If it's FAT32 then it's probably a tiny plastic "thumb drive" that you use for sneakernetting files, so you can simply delete all the files once in a while and that will defrag it. |
| 19:49.23 | nic_ | no other way around to make iso contigious in debian ? |
| 19:49.32 | ksk | like, on a HDD it takes time if one block of a file is far away from the next block, because the disk needs to move. flash does not have this problems. |
| 19:49.48 | Ouroboros | dutchfish: so is nftables recommended now? |
| 19:50.17 | ksk | nic_: do you have an actual problem you are trying to solve? I dont understand that last part about an debian iso. |
| 19:50.45 | greycat | It can't be both FAT32 and ISO9660. |
| 19:51.28 | Ouroboros | frozenrouter_: best to checksum whatever possible yourself |
| 19:51.56 | nic_ | when i boot debian.iso from usb it stop at error File Not Contiguous and does not boot .So how to make iso of debian contigious not fragmented |
| 19:52.14 | ksk | frozenrouter_: my (maybe naive) approach to something like this always was: run the rsync command again, if it does not transmit anything you are good. |
| 19:52.39 | logginghelp | ok stupid question jhutchins_wk |
| 19:52.47 | greycat | nic_: sounds like the image is corrupt, or you didn't write it to the USB device correctly. |
| 19:52.50 | frozenrouter_ | Ouroboros: Sounds like a good idea, hopefully a sha512 or md5sum will work on the directory the same |
| 19:52.51 | logginghelp | well, there are no stupid questions but lets try and be stupid with this one |
| 19:53.01 | logginghelp | journald collects all service logs and kernel logs |
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| 19:53.12 | logginghelp | and rsyslogd collects everything else |
| 19:53.13 | logginghelp | > |
| 19:53.15 | nic_ | i use defraggler on windows to defrag debian iso than it booted correctly so i would like to do it from debian distro ..So any alternative for defraggler in debian ? |
| 19:53.16 | logginghelp | ?* |
| 19:53.29 | greycat | logginghelp: it gets whatever is written via syslog() |
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| 19:54.45 | logginghelp | greycat: journald? |
| 19:54.46 | nic_ | there is no defragler in debian for fat 32 |
| 19:54.59 | ksk | logginghelp: afaik journald gets stuff "automaticly" when services are started via sytemd and do log to stdout/stderr. you would need to specify for a service to log to syslog (most common services can do that) |
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| 19:55.25 | greycat | nic_: you're just spewing nonsense. The netinst installer images are known to work for everyone else on the planet except you, and none of us have ever used a "defraggler". |
| 19:55.53 | logginghelp | ksk: ah |
| 19:56.04 | greycat | I sure as hell would not trust whatever a "defraggler" does to a Debian netinst image to continue being a usable netinst image. |
| 19:56.05 | Ouroboros | frozenrouter_: e.g. using 'find -type f -exec openssl sha512 {} \; > sums', or similar |
| 19:56.15 | Ouroboros | oops |
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| 19:57.07 | nic_ | because your usb does not have extra files on it so i need a defraggler .I do it on windows ,But there is any defraggler for fat32 in debian as application or terminal command ? |
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| 19:57.31 | jhutchins_wk | nic_: Why would it matter if an iso were contiguous? |
| 19:57.44 | greycat | Because he's NOT FOLLOWING THE FUCKING INSTRUCTIONS. |
| 19:57.48 | logginghelp | nic_: no. |
| 19:57.52 | logginghelp | the answer is no. |
| 19:57.55 | ksk | nic_: it does not matter. if you have copied your debian image to an usb-stick correctly you can just add files and it will stay working.. |
| 19:58.03 | greycat | He says he has other crap on the USB device and he's trying to make it coexist with the netinst image. |
| 19:58.06 | greycat | 15:57 Ignoring ALL from nic_ |
| 19:58.25 | ksk | chrchr. okay. |
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| 19:59.16 | nic_ | oh no defraggler available than one must make it available for debian.I wish to use it |
| 19:59.53 | Ouroboros | i, too, am interested in this 'defraggler' o.O |
| 20:00.16 | greycat | Putting the Debian installer image onto a USB device will NUKE whatever is on the device already. It overwrites the partition table at the start of the device, and then lays down its own file systems/partitions/everything. Whatever you had before, is gone. This is NORMAL. This is EXPECTED. USB thumb drives are transient storage media. You use them and then wipe them. |
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| 20:02.22 | nic_ | ksk i have files on usb already and when i put debian iso live boot using rufus or unet boot in the iso od debian gets fragmented and when i try to boot it .It does not boot with error debian iso is not contigious and than i start windows and use defraggler to defragment debian iso..than i reboot and debian iso boot to live system ..SO I WANT TO DEFRAGMENT DEBIAN ISO IN DEBIAN ..There is any alternative for defraggler in debian ? |
| 20:02.42 | ksk | nic_: what greycat said. |
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| 20:05.08 | nic_ | no when i put debian iso on usb do not delete anything it just put iso file on it.Try to use Yumi boot iso grub from 4th partition |
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| 20:05.19 | logginghelp | greycat: |
| 20:05.27 | logginghelp | Can I throw a stupid idea at you? |
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| 20:05.45 | annadane | oh no. |
| 20:06.02 | jhutchins_wk | nic_: You do not understand what's happening. It has nothing to do with fragmentation. |
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| 20:06.20 | Ouroboros | nic_: so you are using seven third-party tools and then wondering why things are going wrong? |
| 20:06.21 | jhutchins_wk | nic_: In spite of what your silly windows program might have told you. |
| 20:06.32 | logginghelp | nic_: It's not. Fragmentation |
| 20:06.48 | logginghelp | nic_: also, there is no tool that does that on Linux |
| 20:06.49 | greycat | A debian installer image is a whole DISK image, not a file system image. The ".iso" is misleading. It is more than a simple ISO 9660 file system. |
| 20:06.53 | logginghelp | Linux filesystems are sane |
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| 20:07.20 | logginghelp | nic_: please for the love of god just use etcher to make a usb |
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| 20:07.24 | logginghelp | https://etcher.io |
| 20:07.32 | nic_ | greycat debian live iso not installer image |
| 20:07.37 | logginghelp | You *literally can not screw up* |
| 20:07.40 | uniqdom | i need to run a script at boot so i have added this line in rc.local: /home/user/Documents/pumpMonitor.py >> /tmp/pump.log 2>&1 & |
| 20:08.04 | uniqdom | the scritp is exected at boot, can't see anything in /tmp/pump.log |
| 20:08.10 | greycat | Oh yes, I store all of the commands that I want to run with root privileges during boot in some random user's ~/Documents/ directory. |
| 20:08.22 | greycat | What could possibly go wrong. |
| 20:08.53 | uniqdom | what could possibly go wrong? |
| 20:09.02 | jhutchins_wk | uniqdom: Does it run if you call it from the command line? |
| 20:09.11 | uniqdom | yes. as user and as root |
| 20:09.11 | jhutchins_wk | uniqdom: As root? |
| 20:09.31 | logginghelp | please stop |
| 20:09.31 | greycat | Start by putting it in /usr/local/sbin and then changing rc.local to run it from /usr/local/sbin. |
| 20:09.37 | logginghelp | My soul hurts |
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| 20:09.57 | annadane | would anyone mind getting me some more popcorn? |
| 20:10.00 | greycat | Make sure rc.local has a valid shebang and +x permissions. The fact that your log file *exists* is a good sign. |
| 20:10.11 | logginghelp | hands annadane popcorn |
| 20:10.36 | logginghelp | I'm just here trying to understand how to make logging less awful on Linux |
| 20:10.40 | logginghelp | by making it more awful |
| 20:10.44 | logginghelp | 10/10 |
| 20:10.51 | Ouroboros | logginghelp: syslog-ng? i dunno |
| 20:11.09 | Ouroboros | my solution was to just not care |
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| 20:12.14 | uniqdom | rc.local is using #!/bin/sh -e as shebang |
| 20:12.14 | logginghelp | I want to bring important logs into a mysql database |
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| 20:12.19 | logginghelp | or even a sqllite database |
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| 20:12.33 | ksk | logginghelp: please no. |
| 20:12.45 | ksk | use logstash or similar. |
| 20:13.00 | logginghelp | I don't want big bulky one size fits all |
| 20:13.03 | jhutchins_wk | logginghelp: You can do that, but it's not a Debian-specific question/project. |
| 20:13.11 | logginghelp | I just want to be able to pull the data into a database and query it :> |
| 20:13.14 | greycat | If "important" means "things that write via syslog()" then you can configure rsyslog (or syslog-ng or whatever you use globally) to duplicate stuff through a program of your choosing. Write something that appends them all to one giant file if you like. |
| 20:13.17 | Ouroboros | please no sql where a simple text file will suffice |
| 20:13.20 | jhutchins_wk | logginghelp: If you put it in a database it'll be bigger. |
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| 20:13.38 | logginghelp | jhutchins_wk: fair enough |
| 20:14.10 | logginghelp | ok |
| 20:14.19 | logginghelp | So look at logstash / rslogd |
| 20:14.27 | logginghelp | rsyslog* |
| 20:14.51 | jhutchins_wk | Here we go, Remote Logging Using Rsyslog and MySQL: https://opensourceforu.com/2015/10/remote-logging-using-rsyslog-and-mysql/ |
| 20:15.10 | logginghelp | Thanks my dude |
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| 20:15.25 | logginghelp | dude/tt |
| 20:15.39 | jhutchins_wk | logginghelp: See also https://www.loggly.com/ultimate-guide/managing-linux-logs/ |
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| 20:17.15 | Ouroboros | damnit, now i have to learn nftables, thanks guys |
| 20:17.38 | logginghelp | jhutchins_wk: I'm setting up a Alpine box to ingest logs from my Debian VM's |
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| 20:17.51 | logginghelp | Alpine's smallness and ability to rebuild on reboot is nice |
| 20:18.08 | logginghelp | Debian's rock solid never need to reboot reliability is unbeatable |
| 20:18.10 | jhutchins_wk | It is _possible_ to build a bootable iso image from scratch, and people have built multi-boot installers, but it's not a trivial project for a new admin. |
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| 20:19.39 | logginghelp | I'm just going to ask the stupid question. |
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| 20:19.59 | logginghelp | How bad is it that I have debian installs that haven't been rebooted in years... |
| 20:20.07 | greycat | fairly typical, I'd say |
| 20:20.34 | logginghelp | Debian is just too stable. |
| 20:20.38 | greycat | once a box goes past LTS into EOL territory, there are no updates, so no reason to reboot it |
| 20:20.47 | logginghelp | I forget to reboot these machines for updates |
| 20:20.51 | FinalX | but to answer your question: if any other user has access to it that does not normally have root/sudo access, or if the machine is remotely reachable over the internet: (very) bad |
| 20:21.09 | greycat | Yeah, you wouldn't want to do this on public machines. |
| 20:21.15 | FinalX | if it went past EOL territory, it might still have had security updates that were important.. though not the most recent ones |
| 20:21.45 | FinalX | (you really shouldn't be running anything below jessie) |
| 20:21.46 | somiaj | ,i needrestart |
| 20:21.47 | judd | Package needrestart (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: check which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades. Version: 2.11-3+deb9u1; Size: 45.8k; Installed: 227k; Homepage: https://github.com/liske/needrestart; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/needrestart |
| 20:22.01 | FinalX | but certainly not wheezy or below. |
| 20:22.13 | greycat | Well, um. |
| 20:22.25 | greycat | I won't tell you how many "wheezy or below" systems we have, then. |
| 20:22.52 | FinalX | we also have a few, but they're not reachable over the internet at least, and most are having stretch replacements set up |
| 20:23.05 | FinalX | wheezy's no longer getting security updates, though |
| 20:23.22 | somiaj | hmm, unsure if needrestart tells you if you need to reboot due to a new kernel |
| 20:23.29 | jhutchins_wk | For a while there was a project to do a live patch of the running kernel so you didn't have to reboot. |
| 20:23.39 | FinalX | somiaj: quite sure it does |
| 20:23.44 | greycat | That never happened in Debian AFAIK. |
| 20:23.49 | somiaj | FinalX: there is now an ELTS (Extended Long Term Support) for wheezy for another year and it will have updates for core server side stuff |
| 20:24.00 | somiaj | basically stuff that sponsors are paying to keep secuity updates on |
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| 20:24.30 | FinalX | yeah.. so... suggestion still stands.. you shouldn't be running it :) |
| 20:24.40 | FinalX | (the fact that we are, doesn't mean we should be) |
| 20:25.10 | somiaj | whezzy with ETLS (you may need to update sources.list) should be just fine, there is a group of people paying money to debian developers to keep it alive. |
| 20:25.39 | somiaj | As as long as people (coorprations I belive) are willing to keep funding this, they will keep supporting the kernel and server side stuff on x86 |
| 20:25.40 | FinalX | think until a couple of months ago we even still had an etch box somewhere ;-) |
| 20:26.00 | FinalX | ..nobody dared to touch it anymore |
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| 20:26.28 | somiaj | after using centos6 fora while, I find debian quite up to date |
| 20:26.39 | somiaj | and we only recentally updated from centos5 when it hit end of life last summer |
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| 20:27.33 | somiaj | but anyways, https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended -- if running wheezy boxes, I would ensure your sources.list are at least updated for ETLS support until 31st may 2019 |
| 20:28.01 | FinalX | thanks for the tip - though I also kinda don't want to give people reason to not start worrying about upgrading |
| 20:28.25 | FinalX | or else it'll still be as it is a year from now :) |
| 20:28.50 | greycat | Near as I can tell, there are no publically available wheezy ELTS sources. |
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| 20:29.08 | greycat | Or if there are, they're quite hidden. |
| 20:31.03 | FinalX | https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/docs/how-to-use-extended-lts/ |
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| 20:32.36 | somiaj | And suggest that if people are going to use them, they donate to freexian |
| 20:33.02 | FinalX | hm, interesting. "There are currently no mirrors of this service and it runs on a small dedicated server." .. maybe we should host a public mirror for them.. we run ftp.debian.nl as well :) |
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| 20:34.02 | Ouroboros | FinalX: i have some etch installs still, but they mostly stopped working because of lack of hardware support |
| 20:34.15 | kminor | Hey guys, I cannot remove package cpp-4.1-doc it just breaks my system |
| 20:34.38 | annadane | you're going to get the same answer here you did in the other channel |
| 20:34.44 | annadane | or is freenode "worthless" as well? |
| 20:34.57 | kminor | started on a wheezy to jessie upgrade, all is fixed but this one if anyone quickly has an answer or encountered it |
| 20:35.16 | FinalX | Ouroboros: same reason why we didn't upgrade that one back then :) |
| 20:35.18 | kminor | annadane: I don't like you |
| 20:35.26 | annadane | that's ok, i don't like you either |
| 20:35.27 | greycat | Oh, we're off to a good start. |
| 20:35.40 | greycat | annadane: can you spoil us and reveal what the answer was? |
| 20:35.57 | annadane | exclamation point bat |
| 20:36.00 | kminor | great.. just was curious if anyone had encountered that. This network won't allow pastebin |
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| 20:36.17 | kminor | !bat |
| 20:36.17 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 20:36.17 | greycat | Pick a different paste server. Like https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:36.31 | greycat | Or whatever one works for you. |
| 20:36.36 | kminor | ok |
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| 20:37.24 | Ouroboros | FinalX: i may still fix them, but it requires getting a much newer kernel from backports or something |
| 20:37.48 | greycat | The *worst* paste servers are hastebin and the others that require Javascript to read the pastes. They fail in every non-JS browser (which basically includes all tty browsers). Second place in badness after that is pastebin.com due to ads and mangling of content. |
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| 20:39.40 | Ouroboros | FinalX: actually, i went pretty much straight from etch to stretch, so the only difference was in the str :P |
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| 20:46.37 | FinalX | Ouroboros: haha |
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| 20:50.22 | louisdk | Doing some mysql packages updates with apt I get this "Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'louis-server.lan' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1." I just can't figure out where it gets louis-server.lan from and how I can change it to localhost. Looking in /etc/mysql/ didn't gave any clues. |
| 20:50.32 | mallxs | Ouroboros: "but why are you removing cards so much?" your right, just insert all cards and accept the given names ... it works fine ... tkx |
| 20:50.41 | greycat | louisdk: grep louis /etc/hosts |
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| 20:52.31 | Ouroboros | mallxs: problem solved |
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| 20:53.02 | oomph | can anyone recommend a good open source fax server that runs on debian? |
| 20:53.10 | louisdk | greycat: 127.0.1.1louis-server |
| 20:53.11 | petemc | ive used hylafax |
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| 20:53.26 | jhutchins_wk | oomph: Yeah, hylafax is pretty much it for Linux fax servers. |
| 20:53.44 | oomph | petemc I have a jumior admin here, does Hylafax have a web interface that would be easy for him to use? |
| 20:53.58 | petemc | yeah |
| 20:53.59 | jhutchins_wk | oomph: Occasionally needs to be restarted because the modem becomes "stuck". |
| 20:54.12 | greycat | louisdk: are you for some reason connecting to IP address 127.0.1.1 instead of 127.0.0.1? Or instead of localhost, or the local unix domain socket or whatever MySQL uses? |
| 20:54.12 | jhutchins_wk | oomph: Use for what? |
| 20:54.23 | oomph | small business |
| 20:54.27 | Ouroboros | is there any difference between 'ip address delete' and 'ip address flush', besides selection criteria? |
| 20:54.57 | jhutchins_wk | oomph: There's not much interaction, it receives faxes and posts them to email, and you can get a driver for a desktop to "print to fax". |
| 20:55.16 | oomph | petemc is the web interface an another package or is it included in the Hylafax package? |
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| 20:55.26 | petemc | i used it with maybe 5 or 6 modems sending to kyocera printers |
| 20:56.14 | louisdk | greycat: don't think so. Would like to change get mysql to connect to localhost. Just don't know where to change it. |
| 20:56.15 | oomph | we have a circuit delivering the DID's |
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| 20:57.08 | oomph | the previous admin used a company called Open Text, but the renewal cost of their appliance is insane. For how little we use faxing these days. |
| 20:57.09 | greycat | louisdk: well, it would be in your script.... oh, you said you got it from *apt* ?! No idea. |
| 20:57.56 | louisdk | I'm trying to update the mythtv-database package. Will ask in the mythtv channel. |
| 20:58.09 | greycat | ,v mythtv-database |
| 20:58.10 | judd | Package: mythtv-database on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.26.2-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 0.27.7-dmo1+deb8u1; stretch-multimedia: 0.28.2-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 29.1+fixes20180603.git1777cc4425-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 29.1+fixes20180603.git1777cc4425-dmo1 |
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| 20:58.35 | greycat | all of 'em say -multimedia :-/ |
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| 21:02.16 | jhutchins_wk | I would say he needs to figure out his mysql login before he bothers mythtv. |
| 21:02.44 | jhutchins_wk | It's possible he's messed with his hosts fike and doesn't have a localhost entry. |
| 21:03.02 | jhutchins_wk | hosts file |
| 21:03.17 | greycat | Hmm, I was thinking of suggesting "grep 127 /etc/hosts" also, but thought that might be too nitty-gritty at this point. |
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| 21:03.37 | Ouroboros | i don't quite understand the point of 127.0.1.1, i guess i should read through the original bug report |
| 21:03.55 | greycat | 127.0.0.1 maps to the name "localhost" and vice versa, which gives you no place to put your own host name |
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| 21:04.17 | greycat | so Debian uses 127.0.1.1 for your actual host name + domain, aliased to your host name |
| 21:04.21 | Ouroboros | i.e. if the machine does not have an external address, what is the argument against mapping the hostname to 127.0.0.1 as it used to be done? |
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| 21:05.30 | Ouroboros | what would be the problem with '127.0.0.1 localhost hostname'? |
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| 21:06.43 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution |
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| 21:07.26 | greycat | <3 google |
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| 21:12.34 | Ouroboros | yeah, i saw that already :P |
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| 21:12.44 | greycat | then why are you asking us? |
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| 21:13.19 | Ouroboros | because i just read through half of the original mailing list thread and i still do not fully understand the point |
| 21:14.12 | Ouroboros | they want the hostname to be canonical for some address, so if it was as i proposed above, then localhost would be canonical instead, which is bad because ... |
| 21:14.51 | Ouroboros | i guess i will keep reading |
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| 21:56.57 | somiaj | FinalX: you could contact the owner of freedian and see if they would like such a service. It might be they have only a few big clients who use caching and updates in wheezy don't happen that often, nice thing is most security bugs are in new features not present in wheezy codebase |
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| 22:03.21 | devslash | im having a dns issue in debian. every 10 minutes or so a network error occurs where i cant ping any server by its name. I can ping 8.8.8.8 and get a response but no response when i ping my gateway at 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:03.39 | devslash | if i run dhcpcd on my adapter it fixes the issue for a little while |
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| 22:04.50 | somiaj | devslash: what is the contents of /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 22:04.53 | devslash | I think that the issue might be that the dhcp is expiring almost immediately |
| 22:04.57 | devslash | nothing |
| 22:05.34 | somiaj | you could use a package like resolvconf or openresolv to manage it and have it ignore any change from our dhcpclient |
| 22:05.43 | jim | devslash, some folks like to install their own dns, that might work for you |
| 22:05.57 | devslash | id rather keep it as simple as possible |
| 22:06.04 | somiaj | you can also configure name servers in your dhclient, or tell it to ignore setting resolv.conf and manually configure it yourself |
| 22:06.04 | devslash | i dont really need my own dns server |
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| 22:06.20 | somiaj | jim: sounds in this case, it is more about /etc/resolv.conf gets wiped vs an actual internet connection issue. |
| 22:06.25 | jim | ok |
| 22:06.44 | somiaj | devslash: but resolvconf might be a quick method to manage resolv.conf and avoid what ever is wiping the info in the file. |
| 22:06.52 | devslash | ill look into that thanks |
| 22:07.19 | jim | somiaj, would it be the dhclient that does the wiping? |
| 22:08.07 | somiaj | jim: a good chance, but there are other tools that try to manage resolv.conf, but most likely that. |
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| 22:34.11 | Ouroboros | simple question (that i for some reason don't want to test right now): if you edit a line in bash history and not execute it, does it later write the edited or original line to the history file? |
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| 22:36.01 | somiaj | I think it is the edited one |
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| 22:36.27 | somiaj | in my quick test it does, since it is just all in memeory |
| 22:39.08 | Ouroboros | well, until you execute the edited line, it does have both in memory, so it could have been either |
| 22:39.40 | Ouroboros | (since the original line is restored once you execute the edited one) |
| 22:40.04 | somiaj | it does? My experience is it edits the current line in memeory, so you only have an edit. But my test was hit up a few times, then hit enter on some other command, and the editied one is still around |
| 22:40.10 | somiaj | hmm, yea, I guess that is correct, |
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| 22:40.35 | Ouroboros | yes, that is correct |
| 22:40.50 | Ouroboros | but even in that case, if you go back and execute that edited line, it will be restored |
| 22:40.56 | somiaj | must be keeping track of two stacks, the edits and the history, because as long as you don't execute the edited command it keeps that one |
| 22:41.21 | Ouroboros | this is something that i never liked about it, very confusing |
| 22:41.25 | somiaj | ahh if you run history, it has a * next to edited line |
| 22:41.30 | Ouroboros | yes, right |
| 22:41.36 | somiaj | not that confusing once you play with it. |
| 22:41.55 | Ouroboros | no, but you have to keep it in mind |
| 22:43.05 | Ouroboros | and if your test is correct, it means that you can lose some original lines if you forget to execute them, but it is also useful if you want to redact them |
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| 22:45.55 | somiaj | I didn't test what is actually saved to the history file |
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| 22:53.52 | Ouroboros | oh |
| 22:55.05 | Ouroboros | can you? my setup is a bit of a mess right now |
| 22:55.27 | annadane | what did you do *stern face* |
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| 22:59.15 | Ouroboros | i disabled the link-local address ;) |
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| 23:04.40 | zophyx | why would someone disablbe th link-local address ? |
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| 23:13.28 | Ouroboros | who knows |
| 23:14.40 | samnob | <3s Ouroboros' attitude. fsck lego |
| 23:15.26 | samnob | goes back to upgrading gnewsense3(squeezish) > stretch for fun. |
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| 23:49.07 | jcarpenter2 | stretch seems to have linux-4.9.0, is there any official or semi-official way to install a newer kernel? |
| 23:50.37 | jcarpenter2 | or any official or semi-official guide on re-compiling the kernel (e.g. one that says how to compile with the same config settings used in the linux-image package)? |
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| 23:51.46 | jcarpenter2 | hm, 8.10.3 seems to answer my second question quite well https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.kernel-compilation.html |
| 23:52.13 | jcarpenter2 | thanks :) |
| 23:52.36 | annadane | jcarpenter2, there's backports |
| 23:52.39 | annadane | !backports |
| 23:52.39 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 23:53.17 | annadane | so put it in your sources.list and if you're on amd64 apt install -t stretch-backports linux-image-amd64 should get you 4.16 |
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| 23:53.47 | annadane | but yes you can compile as well |
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| 23:55.52 | Ouroboros | but you will have to get the source from backports anyway? |
| 23:56.18 | Ouroboros | i mean, if you want to be consistent with the repos |
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