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| 00:38.53 | marshall | anyone know any decent bash scripting channels> |
| 00:38.56 | marshall | ? |
| 00:39.24 | Unit193 | You mean like #bash? |
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| 00:39.47 | marshall | eyyy |
| 00:39.54 | marshall | exactly like #bash |
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| 00:42.21 | allohol | Does jessie support / allow booting into framebuffer mode? |
| 00:45.18 | ryouma | marshall: i find #bash to be 100% unusable due to the presence of a person. ##?linux has a few people who can help sometimes. |
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| 00:45.52 | allohol | greycat? |
| 00:46.05 | marshall | thanks ryouma |
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| 00:46.26 | ryouma | allohol: yes |
| 00:49.27 | ryouma | the linux channel is quite friendly ime |
| 00:49.43 | ryouma | (most of the time) |
| 00:51.58 | jakes | running Raspbian (OSMC) & want to send regular audio from video to my TV over HDMI (check) but audio from my BT-connected mobile (a2dp) to my hifi over minijack, so that I don't need to turn on the TV to listen to music |
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| 01:04.24 | annadane | marshall, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/EnglishFrontPage has some good resources |
| 01:05.38 | annadane | should really actually look at that some day instead of just linking it |
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| 01:11.15 | dirac1 | o.o |
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| 01:31.55 | areckx | so I have been trying all day to get mysql working. I had it working on my previous install that I borked then fresh install all stable repos I install mysql-server and `ERROR 1698 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'` |
| 01:32.02 | areckx | been googling alllll day |
| 01:32.31 | areckx | none of the solutions on stackoverflow or linuxquestions, mariadb, mysql worked |
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| 01:32.53 | areckx | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 01:35.42 | areckx | debian stretch no added repos |
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| 01:38.10 | areckx | gonna try this :: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-apt-repo-quick-guide/en/ |
| 01:39.18 | annadane | if nobody answers here you can always try the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 01:56.46 | karlpinc | I've started tomcat8 and it's listening on :::8080. Yet I can reach it on an IPv4 address. Why? |
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| 01:59.04 | karlpinc | I'm not seeing 6to4 in the interfaces file.... |
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| 02:07.35 | areckx | got it working |
| 02:07.55 | areckx | using the link I posted earlier |
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| 02:09.09 | annadane | was going to ask them "which part of the link" so i could maybe put it in a factoid but they're gone |
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| 02:16.20 | flibble | Hi, is it possible to find out who is a sponsor on a theoretical new debian package |
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| 02:17.22 | flibble | I'm a maintainer of a prog that had someone very motivated to produce a package, got a sponsor, but is now not interesting in producing the package |
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| 02:18.30 | annadane | !rfs |
| 02:18.31 | flibble | I've checked mentors.debian.net, but the package, cde, common desktop environment is not listed |
| 02:18.31 | dpkg | rfs is probably Request For Sponsor, frequently used in the debian-mentors mailing list as a request from would-be Debian maintainers to find someone who will sponsor their package. |
| 02:18.36 | annadane | i think? |
| 02:19.10 | flibble | I'll check that mailing list and see if I can find any mention |
| 02:20.01 | annadane | https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors/rfs-howto |
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| 02:26.46 | ryouma | what do i do to find out what priority debconf uses for a specific question in a specific package? |
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| 02:46.39 | strive | ryouma: It seems that there's an option for that: debconf --priority=value |
| 02:47.33 | ryouma | strive: i think that just sets the minimum priority for all packages. i want as above. |
| 02:48.07 | ryouma | for example grub-pc asks what disk to run grub-install on. i want to know what priority level that question is. |
| 02:48.25 | strive | Oh. |
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| 02:49.15 | ryouma | also i wish the text interface to dpkg-reconfigure could be made so that you can say default to set whatever it was going to set. the dialog interface does seta default but the text interface makes you choose. |
| 02:49.16 | karlpinc | ryouma: This is probably in the source package. |
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| 02:49.46 | ryouma | so when you use the text interface you are left wondering what the orrect answer is sometimes |
| 02:49.47 | karlpinc | To answer my own question, net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0. So Listening on IPv6 also listens on IPv4. |
| 02:51.01 | flibble | annadane: Couldn't find any mention on the mentor mailing list, can't find a request on the bug tracker sponsorship-requests package |
| 02:51.41 | marshall | does anyone know how to print a variable as a different color with printf? |
| 02:51.43 | flibble | annadane: I wonder if the other guy was having me on when he said he'd found a sponsor |
| 02:51.53 | annadane | flibble, i probably should have pointed you to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net; sorry |
| 02:52.00 | flibble | ah ha |
| 02:52.02 | annadane | that's kind of the main channel for debian packaging |
| 02:52.16 | jim | it depoends on if the thing you're printing to has colors |
| 02:52.39 | annadane | i certainly didn't intend for you to waste all that time looking for something that doesn't exist, that's my fault |
| 02:53.25 | marshall | it's void of colors, that's why i want to add some :) |
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| 03:11.30 | tharkun | !matlab |
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| 03:12.00 | tharkun | dpkg: bfg2000 |
| 03:12.00 | dpkg | tharkun: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 03:25.25 | tharkun | Good $DAY is there a way to view a matlab file inside linux? |
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| 03:27.12 | jim | there is something called scilab, and I have no idea if the files saved by each are compatible with each other |
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| 03:30.51 | tharkun | Thanks jim |
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| 03:31.37 | karlpinc | tharkun: I also recall that octave is something matlab-like. I think. |
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| 03:46.46 | mandeep | tharkun: any text editor should be able to read your .m files |
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| 04:27.45 | marshall | . |
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| 04:29.01 | Kurogane | Can anyone tell me if i need replace my HDD? https://bpaste.net/raw/f9fd01a07679 |
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| 04:35.01 | jim | Kurogane, umm, why? what are you seeing? |
| 04:36.26 | Necrony | Kurogane, Current_Pending_Sector:13, Offline_Uncorrectable:155, Error 47 occurred at disk power-on lifetime ... thats alot errors and bad sectors... maybe you need to run some tests, but probably it's dying |
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| 04:42.37 | Kurogane | Necrony, how you know when is alot errors and bad sectors? |
| 04:43.10 | Kurogane | Necrony, also how you convert into decimal? i asume you convert hex to dec? |
| 04:43.19 | Necrony | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.30 | Necrony | thats from smartctl -a /dev/sdb |
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| 04:48.13 | Kurogane | Necrony, ohh sorry i not see that, It was very far to the right.. |
| 04:49.00 | Necrony | yea |
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| 04:55.48 | KNERD | Is there something wrong with BASH? when I type in "cd <partial_directory_name>* I will get "too many arguments" This does not happen on CentOS |
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| 05:02.20 | allohol | KNERD: is that partial part unique? |
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| 05:03.06 | KNERD | for example: cd myDirecto* |
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| 05:04.09 | Kurogane | Necrony, but so, how you determinate pending sector and uncorrectable is high? |
| 05:04.27 | allohol | in '.' I have dirs foo1, foo2 and bar. cd ba* works for me whereas cd fo* will fail |
| 05:04.40 | krytarik | KNERD: Use tab completion rather than globbing there. |
| 05:04.51 | jelly | KNERD: nothing wrong, try to "echo <partial_directory_name>*" to see if there's just one match or more |
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| 05:06.10 | KNERD | krytarik: i will try that, thanks |
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| 07:04.43 | DrBunsen | Hello, I am using webdav to mount an external storage device, and I noticed my home partition gets filled with the davfs2's cache, now I tried editting the davfs.conf(both system wide and user) like here https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/davfs2/davfs2.conf.5.en.html but when I transfer big files, it ignores this file, caches until the drive is full and the system gets slow, and errors out, I will have to manually delete the cached files |
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| 07:22.31 | tropicat | are all the packages in debian 9 trustworthy? |
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| 07:22.37 | tropicat | are they secure? |
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| 07:23.08 | rant | as much as they can be |
| 07:23.18 | tropicat | rant: meaning? |
| 07:23.26 | rant | I could ask you the same thing |
| 07:23.40 | tropicat | true. but I don't know |
| 07:23.47 | tropicat | rant: alright let me broaden this |
| 07:24.03 | tropicat | rant: why are open source software more trustworthy than closed source or proprietary software? |
| 07:24.17 | tropicat | why is* |
| 07:24.19 | tropicat | excuse my language |
| 07:24.42 | tropicat | (the assumption is that it is more trustworthy, and hopefully that assumption is correct) |
| 07:25.14 | rant | the packages are open source, so you can SEE whats there, they're digitally signed so they are not corrupt or modified, they are used by people all over the world for serious purposes who would notice if things were amiss and report it to our open public online bug tracking system.. |
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| 07:25.51 | tropicat | rant: right |
| 07:25.53 | rant | they are heavily tested before release, we dont have a time based or money based or any other such release schedule.. we release only WIR (When Its Ready) |
| 07:26.08 | tropicat | ok |
| 07:26.17 | dgp | tropicat: If you're worried about the security of an opensource application you can pay someone to audit it |
| 07:26.46 | dgp | tropicat: If you have something that is closed source you have to trust whatever audits the vendor has had done |
| 07:26.47 | rant | our community doesn't sleep or rest.. people are working round the clock on everything rom development to support |
| 07:26.59 | tropicat | dgp: nah its okay. |
| 07:27.06 | tropicat | no in that case I am happy. |
| 07:27.11 | rant | we do all this because we too use the stuff, not because we're being paid or something |
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| 07:27.23 | tropicat | rant: also, following on from dgp's point, is your software audited before packaged? |
| 07:28.04 | dgp | tropicat: I suspect some of the crypto packages have been audited at some point (not directly by debian). But in general no |
| 07:28.08 | rant | tropicat: debian packages are heavily modifide from their upstream versions .. we dont just grab stuff and throw it in our repo |
| 07:28.29 | dgp | If you need to stake your business on stuff you need to do your own due diligence |
| 07:28.47 | rant | as for does someone sit down and actually run rigorous attacks and tests on it before hand.. no.. |
| 07:28.51 | dgp | rant: That's not always for the better (openssl) .. ;) |
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| 07:30.08 | rant | when proprietary software screws up you might have a liability suit.. but not a solution.. when free software screws up, its without warranty but always supported.. is the overall difference |
| 07:30.12 | annadane | see also security.debian.org |
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| 07:31.46 | rant | if you're new to FOSS, I personally recommend the rather short and interesting read by Peter Wayner - Free For All: How Linux and the Free Sotware movement undercut the high tech titans |
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| 07:32.20 | rant | he's a journalist without a tech background really who wrote a nice book on precisely the differences between foss and proprietary models |
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| 07:33.07 | rant | though I also highly recommend our Why Debian? And Social Contract documents as a read |
| 07:33.14 | annadane | in particular encryption algorithms should absolutely be open source, the weaker ones are proprietary |
| 07:33.27 | annadane | if it's open anyone can try to crack it |
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| 07:33.57 | rant | https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian and https://www.debian.org/social_contract.en.html |
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| 07:37.37 | dgp | annadane: IMHO stuff like that being open is much more about coding errors than problems with the crypto itself. |
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| 07:39.52 | annadane | aaaaaand also i guess there's a subtle political statement behind it too, you can't learn code if you can't see it |
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| 07:40.10 | annadane | the programs are better as a result and we don't have to continually invent the wheel |
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| 08:20.22 | joejoejoe | Hello |
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| 08:20.30 | rant | o/ |
| 08:20.37 | joejoejoe | How do I edit the main menu in Debian with the Mate desktop? |
| 08:20.53 | joejoejoe | I previously used Mint Mate and there was a menu entry to edit the main menu. |
| 08:20.59 | joejoejoe | Now in Debian, there is no such entry. |
| 08:21.19 | tdn | I am trying to configure xrdp with xfce4. I have put "xfce4-session" in my ~/.xsession and installed xrdp and xfce4 on the server. I then connect from the client via rdesktop and I do get a login screen. When I log in with my user and password, it does seem to authenticate but I get a blank teal screen instead of an actual xfce4 desktop. How do I make the actual xfce4 desktop appear? |
| 08:21.25 | rant | you'll need to install a menu editor... alacarte is the one for gnome it doesnt work with mate.. I dont recall off the top of my head which one works with mate.. I'd have to look it up |
| 08:22.15 | Unit193 | tdn: Perhaps you need to use `startxfce4` instead? |
| 08:22.27 | Unit193 | joejoejoe: You likely want to check out either alacarte or menulibre. |
| 08:23.21 | joejoejoe | Unit193: Do you use any of these? |
| 08:23.35 | joejoejoe | Unit193: rant said alacarte does not work with Mate. |
| 08:23.38 | Unit193 | joejoejoe: Menulibre has been installed before, but alas I use Xfce. |
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| 08:24.48 | rant | ,i mozo |
| 08:24.49 | judd | Package mozo (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: easy MATE menu editing tool. Version: 1.16.0-1; Size: 75.3k; Installed: 578k; Homepage: http://www.mate-desktop.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/mozo |
| 08:24.52 | joejoejoe | I wonder which one Mate ships. It worked very well. |
| 08:25.17 | joejoejoe | rant: Yeah, that looks like the one I am used to! |
| 08:25.23 | joejoejoe | rant: 'apt install mozo'? |
| 08:25.27 | Unit193 | Huh, I have never heard of that one. |
| 08:25.27 | rant | Unit193: alacarte will not work with mate |
| 08:25.49 | Unit193 | rant: Good to know, thought it supported the standard menu system, but I guess not anymore. |
| 08:26.12 | rant | Unit193: I thought so too until i tried it and mate wasnt respecting the changes alacarte made |
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| 08:26.38 | Unit193 | rant: Have you tried menulibre there? It does use the standard freedesktop standard. |
| 08:26.43 | joejoejoe | installs mozo ... |
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| 08:27.20 | rant | Unit193: no but looking this stu up for joejoejoe just now I saw menulibre and installed it to try.. cause I may want to edit my mate menus in the near future |
| 08:27.32 | joejoejoe | I installed mozo.. But where is it? |
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| 08:27.45 | rant | probably in the system menu not the apps menu |
| 08:27.55 | rant | things like that often go in system |
| 08:28.07 | joejoejoe | Ha, found it! |
| 08:28.45 | joejoejoe | Another problem I have is screen glitches. |
| 08:29.09 | joejoejoe | When I type in the terminal, every now and then the screen freaks out. |
| 08:29.19 | joejoejoe | Looks like in an old sience fiction movie or something. |
| 08:29.27 | joejoejoe | Any ideas how to debug that? |
| 08:29.36 | rant | might be improperly conigiured fonts or graphics driver or a buggy gpu |
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| 08:29.53 | rant | is the problem restricted to fonts only? |
| 08:30.14 | joejoejoe | rant: No, the freakout happens acroos the whole width of the screen. |
| 08:30.27 | joejoejoe | Like a scienc fiction movie effect. |
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| 08:30.48 | rant | sounds like gpu I'd check the kernel buffer and xorg log or gpu errors |
| 08:30.58 | rant | you may need firmware for your graphics card |
| 08:31.05 | joejoejoe | How do I install it? |
| 08:31.47 | rant | idk, need more info I use an AMD G-Series SoC with Radeon R2E and it works otb but I need the firmware to use dual displays without mirroring and such |
| 08:31.59 | rant | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 08:32.20 | rant | should ouput a single line you can paste here |
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| 08:32.50 | joejoejoe | Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 08:32.57 | rant | thats not what it said |
| 08:33.03 | rant | and not what I;d need to know |
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| 08:33.19 | rant | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2e12] (rev 03) |
| 08:33.35 | rant | the ids are more important than the actual name |
| 08:33.42 | tdn | Unit193, will try. Thanks |
| 08:33.52 | rant | which is why I said -nn |
| 08:33.53 | joejoejoe | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07) |
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| 08:34.15 | rant | as you can see both our systems say the same name but are NOT the same hardware |
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| 08:34.38 | joejoejoe | Yup |
| 08:35.02 | rant | intel stuf should probably work without anything extra I'd think |
| 08:35.07 | Unit193 | tdn: While not exactly the same, my xinitrc (which I don't often use, sure) sources /etc/X11/Xsession then runs startxfce4, I'm not sure if it's technically supposed to, but IIRC that works. |
| 08:36.08 | joejoejoe | Guess I will just live with the glitches. |
| 08:36.18 | joejoejoe | And feel like living in a science fiction movie :) |
| 08:36.26 | rant | joejoejoe: you need to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and output (tail end) of dmesg when this occurs to see if it inidicates errors and save that stuff |
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| 08:37.07 | rant | you could certainly check now, but if it hasnt happened recently it may not show anything |
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| 08:37.45 | joejoejoe | [ 1676.648892] perf: interrupt took too long (6169 > 6166), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 32250 |
| 08:37.51 | joejoejoe | That's the last line in dmesg. |
| 08:38.36 | joejoejoe | The glitch happened again and no new line in dmesg appeard. |
| 08:38.39 | rant | yes thats not relevant more than likely but no way to know since its out of context and doesnt indicate which interrupt nor do I have the APIC data to know what IRQ mapping is on the system |
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| 08:39.12 | Camusensei | Hello everyone. While installing scala (aptitude install scala), I'm getting a 404 on http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cups/libcups2_2.2.1-8_amd64.deb but I see that package libcups2_2.2.1-8+deb9u1_amd64.deb is available, how can I use that instead of the one it's trying to download? |
| 08:39.14 | rant | often with messages in linux what happened before the message is just as important and often more so |
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| 08:39.47 | joejoejoe | rant: Also no lines get added to Xorg.0.log when the glitches happen. |
| 08:40.06 | joejoejoe | The glitches happen all the time, but dmesg and Xorg.0.log stay the same. |
| 08:40.27 | rant | fwiw you can less -S +F a logfile and see it in realtime |
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| 08:41.41 | rant | joejoejoe: though given your description of a full screen type error not isolated to any widget, window, font or other element it could also be HW issues like power instability, interferrence, bad connection, etc |
| 08:42.01 | joejoejoe | rant: I don't think so. The machine runs fine under Mint. |
| 08:42.43 | joejoejoe | In mint there was som "devices" or "drivers" thing in the menu that lets you chose a graphics driver and also tells you which one it suggests. |
| 08:42.56 | joejoejoe | I don't know if I used it. But I remember it was there |
| 08:43.10 | rant | joejoejoe: you can also google something like "8086:2a42 linux" and read up on issues others are having.. intel is rather notiorious for minor glitches |
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| 08:43.44 | tdn | Unit193, does not seem to work with that either. Is there anything I can put in my .xsession in order to verify that it is actually read at tall? E.g. maybe something that fails so that I will notice that at least? |
| 08:43.47 | rant | I personally LOATHE intel graphics but many people swear by it cause they are FOSS friendly.. but I have plenty of personal horror stories |
| 08:43.55 | joejoejoe | rant: That sounds complicated. I will just live with the glitches. |
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| 08:44.08 | joejoejoe | It feels like being inside an old science fiction movie :) |
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| 08:47.11 | joejoejoe | Also when scrolling inside websites, some crazy effects take place on the screen. |
| 08:47.20 | rant | Unit193: fwiw I tried hiding the "Other" menu with menulibre and it had no effect on mate even after running update-menus |
| 08:47.33 | Camusensei | Where should I ask for help in order to use a +deb9u1 lib instead of one that doesn't exist? |
| 08:47.34 | rant | it would seem its MATE in debian that doesnt respect standards |
| 08:48.11 | rant | Camusensei: you need to update your package cache mor than likely.. apt-get update |
| 08:48.22 | Camusensei | rant: fair enough, thanks! |
| 08:48.52 | rant | Camusensei: thats usually the cause of packages not being found.. the cache is stale |
| 08:49.17 | rant | Camusensei: package tools dont fetch what's there, the fetch what the cache says is there |
| 08:49.30 | Camusensei | yup, it worked. I wonder how I could not think of it ^^ thank you very much |
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| 08:49.52 | rant | Camusensei: also its worth noting apt resolves those issues |
| 08:50.08 | rant | or so I heard.. |
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| 08:50.43 | Camusensei | Am I right to think that in terms of user-friendlyness, apt-get < aptitude < apt ? |
| 08:50.55 | rant | probably |
| 08:51.06 | joejoejoe | Thanks for all the infos, rant! |
| 08:51.09 | joejoejoe | Cu! |
| 08:51.23 | rant | depends on what the user is doing.. I still use apt-cache and such at times cause I dont want the formatted output of apt |
| 08:51.40 | Camusensei | understandable choice |
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| 08:51.41 | Camusensei | alright, I'll try apt out next time then, thank you :) |
| 08:51.52 | rant | and aptitude does all kinds of stuff the other two dont |
| 08:52.09 | rant | has interactive mode, advanced search features, just to name a few |
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| 09:12.54 | tropicat | rant: is aptitude = apt? |
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| 09:13.06 | tropicat | sorry for the late response |
| 09:15.13 | rant | tropicat: no aptitude is aptitude |
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| 09:19.02 | tropicat | rant: alright |
| 09:19.14 | tropicat | rant: so if i install aptitude now, will i have to reinstall all apt programs? |
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| 09:19.53 | Ool | rant: what can you do with aptitude thant you can't do with apt-get exactly ? |
| 09:19.56 | rant | tropicat: no, aptitude is just another frontend for dpkg like apt-get, apt, dselect, synaptic, etc |
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| 09:20.23 | Ool | I never use aptitude and I ask me what I 'm missing |
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| 09:21.00 | rant | Ool: its a long list.. aptitude is not just a command line interface, when ran without arguments its an ncurses interactive package manager. It also has very advanced search and conlict resolution features |
| 09:21.10 | rant | those are just the highlights |
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| 09:24.13 | rant | tropicat: apt is not apt-get or aptitude, and none of the above have anything to do with installation of packages on your system.. the package tool is dpkg, the rest are just frontends that mantain a cache of available packages, do dependency/conlict resolution, and can search for and fetch packages from various sources. they are not in and of themselves responsible for the installation or status of any |
| 09:24.19 | rant | packages.. thats what dpkg does the actuall installing/removing and maintaining of the status of packages on the system |
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| 09:26.00 | rant | tropicat: nor does any of those tools I mentioned remove or conflict with the others.. you can have apt, apt-get, aptitude, dselect, synaptic.. or any number of other package manager frontends installed simultaneously.. you can just only be running one at a time due to locks on dpkg's databases |
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| 09:28.42 | rant | D0c70rWh0_afk: if thats an automatic afk, you may want to disable it or you may wind up afk AND kicked out of high volume channels someday :P |
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| 09:53.52 | dob1 | hi, I would like to block a site via /etc/hosts, so I put 0.0.0.0 <tab> foo.bar but it still resolve it, nslookup foo.bar gives me the real address |
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| 09:54.51 | ychaouche | o/ |
| 09:55.17 | ychaouche | I was wondering if there was a way to find the DIRECTORY which had the most recent file at any level of its hierarchy of subdirs ? |
| 09:55.46 | blackflow | dob1: I don't think nslookup consults /etc/hosts. Also, 0.0.0.0 doesn't seem right, use something like 127.0.0.1 or if you don't want it to resolve to localhost, use something else in the 127.0.0.0/8 subnet |
| 09:56.19 | ychaouche | sort of a ls -rt for directories but instead of sorting on the most recently changed directory it would actually go down all the files it contains (including in subdirs) and then sort the top-most directories accordingly. |
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| 10:00.12 | dob1 | blackflow, you right, nslookup doesn't use /etc/hosts. but 0.0.0.0 should be right too |
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| 10:00.23 | rant | ychaouche: you know you could probably get more help on an issue lke that in #bash |
| 10:00.41 | rant | as its more a programming question and a support question |
| 10:00.50 | blackflow | dob1: in networking, 0.0.0.0/0 means "all ipv4 space", so I'm not sure about that. |
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| 10:01.59 | dob1 | blackflow, but from what I read using hosts.deny should be a better solution |
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| 10:03.40 | blackflow | dob1: eh, hosts.deny is part of tcp wrappers and is about incoming connections. if I understood you correctly, you want to block resolving of a domain? |
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| 10:04.04 | dob1 | blackflow, yes so either input and ouput |
| 10:04.47 | dob1 | blackflow, the fact is that I have to put the fqn in /etc/hosts. like test.foo.bar and I would like to block foo.bar |
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| 10:05.08 | blackflow | dob1: input and output don't make sense in this context. Perhaps you mean: 1) blocking incoming connections from IPs reverse-resolving to particular name and 2) blocking of resolving of a name for outbound connections |
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| 10:05.41 | petn-randall | dob1: Tell us about your problem, not what you think the solution is. |
| 10:06.00 | blackflow | dob1: for that I use local installation of Bind. I have DNS blacklist I've built over the years for various stuffs, lately blocking crypto miners that sometimes want to connect from javscripts :) |
| 10:06.15 | blackflow | and what petn-randall said, to avoid X-Y problem |
| 10:06.53 | dob1 | ok, I have some php scripts (not mine) that connects to an external domain to do I don't know what, I want to avoid this |
| 10:07.14 | petn-randall | dob1: Then use iptables for that, not /etc/hosts. |
| 10:07.53 | petn-randall | dob1: Adding stuff to /etc/hosts will only make it harder for programs to resolve some names, it will not stop it. |
| 10:09.16 | petn-randall | dob1: Are those PHP scripts written by some coworker, or is it some FOSS tool? |
| 10:09.50 | dob1 | it's wordpress stuff installed by someone that I don't know |
| 10:10.01 | blackflow | ah, the lovely Wordpress.... |
| 10:10.20 | blackflow | just block ALL outbound connections coming from the user running the fpm pool... |
| 10:10.26 | dob1 | iptables -A OUTPUT -d foo.bar -j REJECT ? |
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| 10:10.52 | petn-randall | dob1: How did you figure out the domain the tool is resolving? |
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| 10:11.28 | petn-randall | I'm asking, because with networking tools you'll only see the IP address of the connnections. |
| 10:12.32 | dob1 | petn-randall, because the original problem was "ths siste is slow" so in firefox I just looked at where it connects during the rendering etc, and other than some cdn there is this site too. I am just testing to see what happen if I exclude this or that |
| 10:12.37 | dob1 | *site |
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| 10:15.41 | blackflow | dob1: uhm.... connects from the CLIENT side? or server side? |
| 10:15.59 | dob1 | blackflow, client site |
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| 10:16.06 | dob1 | *side |
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| 10:17.03 | blackflow | dob1: so I'm not sure I understand your problem. You mentioned PHP connecting, so it's not that? It's various soources listed in the website page CODE, that's executed from the client (browsre) side, not PHP? |
| 10:17.40 | D0c70rWh0 | rant, yeah that was automatic ^^ my fault sorry for that |
| 10:19.29 | rant | D0c70rWh0: no worries just lookin out for ya.. ops in high volume channels dont like that sort of thing |
| 10:19.37 | dob1 | blackflow, to be honest, I don't know the details: I used the firefox web tools, net tab and there is a connection to this external site, 2seconds. it's not a cdn or something similar. I am testing what happen if I block it. |
| 10:20.31 | blackflow | dob1: so if you want to block YOUR computer from connecting to that domain, then yes add it to /etc/hosts, but don't use 0.0.0.0 use, dunno, 127.1.2.3 |
| 10:21.02 | dob1 | blackflow, iptables or hosts ? :) |
| 10:21.13 | zxd | where can I ask makefile questions |
| 10:21.13 | blackflow | dob1: if you want to block *.example.com, then you'll need to teach your resolver to do that, create an authoritative zone just for example.com and resolve all queries to 127.1.2.3 (or whatever) |
| 10:21.18 | petn-randall | dob1: If your browser connection on the *client* is slow, blocking things on the *server* won't do anything. |
| 10:21.55 | blackflow | dob1: you can do both, but hosts is preferred, as there could be a lod balancer or DNS balancer that gives different IPs on different queries. |
| 10:22.01 | blackflow | *load balancer |
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| 10:24.22 | dob1 | petn-randall, sorry I was not clear, the long story is that I have a copy of the real site / database etc and server and client in my testing environment are the same. So I want to see what happens if I exclude this site, if it works ok then I will contact the ones who made the site |
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| 10:41.04 | mortal | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.12 | mortal | help please |
| 10:41.40 | mortal | install trying to install libasound2-plugins:i386 |
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| 10:44.13 | rant | mortal: did you apt-get update first? |
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| 10:46.19 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 10:46.19 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 10:46.32 | petn-randall | mortal: Can you provide *all* of the above info in a single paste? ^^^ |
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| 10:47.11 | mortal | rant, yes |
| 10:48.04 | rant | mortal: see the dpkg factoid above, and compile a paste |
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| 10:49.11 | mortal | http://paste.debian.net/1030765/ |
| 10:50.48 | rant | well thats a small bit more clue.. still need the policy ino |
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| 10:51.08 | mortal | http://paste.debian.net/1030766/ |
| 10:51.52 | mortal | http://paste.debian.net/1030767/ |
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| 10:52.21 | hans_ | `apt remove --purge certbot python-certbot-nginx` does not remove the `(...) #managed by certbot` lines of the config files of /etc/nginx, but it does remove the key files in /etc/letsencrypt , so the next time nginx is loaded/restartet, it will error out looking for the files in /etc/letsencrypt |
| 10:53.04 | hans_ | looks like a deficiency in the uninstaller script of python-certbot-nginx |
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| 10:53.25 | wonderer | hi all |
| 10:53.39 | wonderer | i made a start in upgrading deb 6 to 7 |
| 10:53.48 | wonderer | but the kernel not updating |
| 10:54.22 | wonderer | anyone got a workign set of instructions on getting upgrade working |
| 10:55.39 | petn-randall | mortal: You're still missing 2) 'apt-cache policy libavcodec57 libavcodec-extra57' |
| 10:55.52 | rant | mortal: (apt policy;apt policy libontconig1:i386 libasound2-plugins:i386 libavcodec57:i386 libavcodec-extra57:i386; apt install libfontconfig:i386)>apt.log and select "Choose File" and upload apt.log |
| 10:55.53 | bites | wonderer: always in the release notes. https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 10:56.25 | mortal | http://paste.debian.net/1030768/ |
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| 10:57.57 | mortal | http://paste.debian.net/1030769/ |
| 10:58.24 | mortal | its the i386 version that is having the problem |
| 10:58.25 | wonderer | bites thx |
| 10:58.33 | rant | right |
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| 11:00.02 | petn-randall | mortal: You can track the issue down by running `apt install libasound2-plugins:i386` and then doing the same for the problematic package, until you hit a dead end. Then paste that here. |
| 11:00.29 | petn-randall | ,v libasound2-plugins |
| 11:00.30 | judd | Package: libasound2-plugins on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25-2; jessie: 1.0.28-1+b1; stretch: 1.1.1-1; buster: 1.1.6-1; sid: 1.1.6-1; stretch-multimedia: 1:1.1.4-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 1:1.1.6-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.6-dmo1 |
| 11:00.47 | rant | and use a method similar to what I suggested or paste it all into same paste... I for example am doing other things and parsing together your issue isnt exactly high on my priority list |
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| 11:04.53 | agio | hi. Ive tried to enable persistent logs by uncommenting "Storage=auto" in /etc/systemd/journald.conf - but im still not getting persistent logs? |
| 11:05.15 | petn-randall | agio: Did you restart the daemon? |
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| 11:05.35 | agio | petn-randall: I restarted the computer |
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| 11:06.29 | mortal | http://paste.debian.net/1030772/ |
| 11:06.45 | petn-randall | agio: You also need to create the directories referenced in /etc/systemd/journald.conf, otherwise it will fail. |
| 11:07.27 | mortal | hey i think i remember pinning some packages now for firefox quantum |
| 11:07.59 | petn-randall | agio: I take back what I said. What does 'journalctl -u journald' give you? |
| 11:08.32 | petn-randall | mortal: Where did you get that from? |
| 11:09.01 | agio | petn-randall: -- No entries -- |
| 11:09.19 | mortal | petn-randall, umm you mean the last pastebin? |
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| 11:12.35 | mortal | petn-randall, i tried what u suggested - until i hit a dead end |
| 11:12.38 | mortal | http://paste.debian.net/1030776/ |
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| 11:14.41 | wonderer | hi again |
| 11:15.02 | wonderer | getting this https://pastebin.com/Ry4EvA0s when apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:16.31 | wonderer | and if i do apt-get upgrade i get https://pastebin.com/FafmRcx2 |
| 11:16.35 | wonderer | any ideas? |
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| 11:20.17 | mortal | petn-randall, rant ive gotta go. ill try another time. thank you |
| 11:20.31 | mortal | bye |
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| 11:23.09 | becks` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.40 | themill | wonderer: what are you upgrading from and to? |
| 11:23.57 | agio | petn-randall: I figured out why journald wasn't creating persistent logs - Storage=auto won't create /var/log/journal - so I changed to Storage=persistent - and it created the dir automatically :) |
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| 11:24.02 | becks` | hi, I wonder why the output doesn't start with '1' (existing file) - somebody knows? http://paste.debian.net/plain/1030778 |
| 11:24.24 | wonderer | deb 6 to 7 themill |
| 11:24.31 | wonderer | thx for helping |
| 11:24.32 | themill | no time like the present |
| 11:24.54 | agio | wonderer: why only upgrading to 7? |
| 11:24.58 | wonderer | a little project for me |
| 11:25.07 | wonderer | agio doing it in small steps |
| 11:25.26 | wonderer | so what ever breaks i can fix easier in each version upgrade |
| 11:25.36 | jken | Hey, I have an odd issue I am having trouble debugging. I run xorg and openbox, using openbox's autostart script to kick off my app on boot. On kernel 4.9 this all works fine, on kernel 4.16 (stretch-backports) there is a ~45second delay between openbox starting and my app starting.. switching the kernel back corrects this. Might anyone have some insight here? |
| 11:26.01 | agio | wonderer - like your own kind of "DIY rolling release" hehe |
| 11:26.07 | themill | wonderer: you have a lot of crufty old init scripts there, vrtsralus being the most problematic one |
| 11:26.21 | wonderer | what can i say |
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| 11:26.35 | wonderer | bene lumbered with this |
| 11:26.50 | wonderer | so got find a way to upgrade it |
| 11:27.22 | themill | !missing lsb tags |
| 11:27.23 | dpkg | From 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from 3.1 "Sarge" and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 11:27.33 | themill | wonderer: ^^ you'll have to fix that init script then |
| 11:27.34 | petn-randall | becks`: STDERR is unbuffered, STDOUT is buffered. The buffered output gets flushed at a later point in time (probably millseconds later). |
| 11:27.42 | wonderer | but i am reading on google about removing insserv or |
| 11:27.48 | becks` | thanks a lot petn-randall :) |
| 11:27.49 | themill | (or remove it) |
| 11:28.09 | wonderer | add the missing tags, edit the mentioned boot scripts |
| 11:28.12 | wonderer | https://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=379 |
| 11:28.34 | wonderer | removing sounds like easiest thing todo |
| 11:28.54 | wonderer | but i dont know what will break or not be fixed/upgraded if id do? |
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| 11:29.20 | themill | whatever that thing is (it's not from Debian is it?) |
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| 11:29.35 | wonderer | as you can see from https://pastebin.com/FafmRcx2 there loot of missing LSB's todo |
| 11:29.56 | wonderer | tomcat stuff |
| 11:30.09 | wonderer | spamassassin |
| 11:30.10 | wonderer | etc |
| 11:30.46 | themill | they're only warnings not fatal, however |
| 11:30.53 | wonderer | well |
| 11:31.04 | themill | vrtsralus is fatal |
| 11:31.14 | wonderer | so best step to overcome then? |
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| 11:31.43 | wonderer | hmm so i have to fix vrtsralus |
| 11:32.23 | themill | or disable it until you've completed this |
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| 11:33.11 | wonderer | so |
| 11:33.33 | wonderer | looking at /etc/init.d/vrtsralus |
| 11:33.50 | wonderer | loks like a backup exec agent and backup script |
| 11:34.03 | wonderer | or something like that |
| 11:34.18 | wonderer | how to disable for now? |
| 11:34.19 | jelly | VRTS is a vendor thing yes. |
| 11:34.35 | wonderer | ok thx jelly for input |
| 11:34.51 | jelly | sorry, I'm not very useful today |
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| 11:35.32 | wonderer | jelly i doubt that, you are a fountain of knowledge even on your off days! :D |
| 11:36.05 | wonderer | should i do apt-get remove insserv |
| 11:36.13 | wonderer | or is that a really bad idea? |
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| 11:36.51 | wonderer | or perhaps fill headers of init files for these dependecies like says here https://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=379 ? |
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| 11:41.27 | wonderer | starting to fill in the /etc/init.d/each-boot-script with their own LSB tags |
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| 11:47.59 | strive | Graphics drivers are installed https://paste.debian.net/1030784/ . HDMI looks horrid and no audio option? |
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| 11:48.42 | strive | Doh. |
| 11:48.44 | strive | Not in use... |
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| 11:50.21 | CeBe | hi, what is the proper way to add ip adresses permanently to an interface on debian 9 with systemd? |
| 11:50.37 | CeBe | temporarily I do ip addr add 78.47.239.150/32 dev eth0 |
| 11:51.02 | CeBe | where do I put that to make sure it is done when the interface comes up? |
| 11:51.56 | Ool | if you use ifupdown into /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:53.48 | CeBe | Ool: /etc/network/interfaces is auto generated by the cloud provider, and sources /etc/network/interfaces.d/*.cfg |
| 11:53.49 | strive | CeBe: I usually use 'nmtui'. |
| 11:54.23 | CeBe | could I put a file there that adds something to an interface that is already defined in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:55.06 | CeBe | strive: I'd like to have it added automatically, nmtui sounds like I need to do it manually |
| 11:57.37 | rant | CeBe: you could make a one shot systemd unit that runs the ip command at an appropriate time if all else fails |
| 11:59.16 | CeBe | rant: I was looking at systemd and found this: https://systemd.network/systemd.network.html#Examples not sure it does what I want though as it would take over the complete management of the interface as far as I see |
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| 12:02.27 | strive | Does the number in the file name have precedence? |
| 12:02.29 | rant | CeBe: any normal method may not work if this is a virtual server and the admin has it autogen and overwriting things. You should probably contact the admin. if they're not hosing custom systemd units then you can just use that ip command you mentioned in a custom systemd unit |
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| 12:04.52 | mallxs | hi i'm looking at /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn where is the $IF_OPENVPN variable is set ? |
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| 12:07.13 | wonderer | hi guys so.. how can i overcome https://pastebin.com/iyd3NzDs when doing apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:09.47 | CeBe | mallxs: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_scripting_with_the_ifupdown_system |
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| 12:10.42 | mallxs | CeBe: thanks |
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| 12:10.58 | CeBe | rant: as far as I see, putting a script into /etc/network/if-up.d/ should work. |
| 12:11.26 | CeBe | thanks for your help, rant, Ool, strive! |
| 12:11.31 | themill | wonderer: delete the init script and deal with it later would probably be my approach |
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| 12:15.15 | wonderer | themill |
| 12:15.28 | wonderer | so from /etc/init.d then? |
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| 12:16.32 | themill | probably also the symlinks to it from /etc/rc* |
| 12:17.03 | wonderer | ok thx |
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| 12:29.44 | user_ | hi i am loading a custom debian live image made from debootstrap and it create a .cache directory in the fs root dir every time it boots, is it a known behaviour? |
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| 12:32.25 | fasdfd | what is the recommended way to transfer from an hdd to an ssd on a btrfs system (there's also swap and efi partition)? |
| 12:33.34 | petn-randall | fasdfd: What part do you need help with? Transfering the data? |
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| 12:34.47 | fasdfd | doing it so that everything is the same file, partition etc. level but the underlying disk is different (they are of different size btw) |
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| 12:36.00 | fasdfd | so I guess, it's transfering the data, but also formatting the disk |
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| 12:39.25 | petn-randall | fasdfd: Just do a clean reinstall on the SSD, then transfer your /home/fasdfd/ over to the new disk. |
| 12:39.32 | petn-randall | That's how I'd do it. |
| 12:40.21 | fasdfd | well, this is a server and I'd like to preserve everything |
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| 12:47.58 | fasdfd | should i create the same partition layout on the ssd, transfer the non btrfs data and then snapshot / to the btrfs partition on the ssd? |
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| 12:48.59 | petn-randall | fasdfd: You could do that, though I'd do all those steps from a live system so the actual system you're transferring is offline. |
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| 12:53.24 | rant | fasdfd: did you install a stretch system with a btrfs root? |
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| 12:55.39 | fasdfd | yup, it's stretch on btrfs with flat layout |
| 12:56.06 | rant | hmm.. I'd tried that a couple months ago and grub didnt like the btrfs |
| 12:56.48 | rant | I wasnt really interested in btrfs per-se this thin client just had btrfs already on it so I figure'd I'd give it a try |
| 12:57.00 | rant | since btrfs was an option in the installer |
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| 12:58.15 | rant | I just gave up when grub-install failed and reformatted ext4 and reinstalled but I was just curious if it could actually be done if you were more vested in it :P |
| 12:58.29 | DrBunsen | Hello, I am using the archive manager to compress some files(to upload to a share) and when I check the split into volumes of 10000MB, it actually makes volumes of 1,9GB, is this just happening to me, or a known thing? |
| 12:59.14 | mackerel449 | stretch has firefox-esr v52, firefox-esr v60 is out but esr52 will be maintained by mozilla till september, will debian stretch switch to esr60 sooner? im looking at https://packages.qa.debian.org/f/firefox-esr.html and i can't figure it out |
| 12:59.37 | rant | DrBunsen: its probably a misunderstanding of the units somewhere.. there is the whole binary/decimal thing and perhaps the archive manager and whatever is reporting the size are using different systems of measurement |
| 13:00.06 | rant | or a rounding error for that matter |
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| 13:00.35 | fasdfd | rant, well I spent a while figuring out how to restore snapshots without physical access to the machine because it's so easy to break grub with that but figured it out |
| 13:00.59 | fasdfd | and I can now swap snapshots automatically |
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| 13:01.34 | DrBunsen | rant: hmm, it is about 8GB off, so I will see what happens when I increase the split size 5 times ;) as far as I am aware, it works correctly for smaller sizes |
| 13:02.12 | fasdfd | <mackerel449> I wonder too, but I'm afraid they'll wait till september.. |
| 13:02.24 | fasdfd | because that's when 52 esr is dropped from support |
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| 13:03.10 | mackerel449 | fasdfd: yeah that's what i thought |
| 13:03.16 | rant | DrBunsen: might be a bug idk.. I dont rely on those frontends much for anything serious to me they're just a simple way to unpack stuff I download without bring up a terminal |
| 13:03.18 | petn-randall | DrBunsen: Maybe the filesystem doesn't support more? fat32 has a 2 GB limit, and 32bit systems have a 2 GB memory limit, which might also contribute to the issue. |
| 13:03.20 | blackflow | fasdfd: flat layout is not gonna work well for that. you should separate root from /var and probably even /home . These three would certainly require a different snapshotting policy. /boot might be okay to stay in the root subvol, as it's a whole unit with installed software. |
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| 13:03.55 | jelly | mackerel449: switchover of major ESR version last two times happened pretty much at the end of the lifecycle |
| 13:04.21 | jelly | that does not mean it will be the same with 60esr |
| 13:04.47 | DrBunsen | petn-randall: it is a ntfs disk(portable disk), so it shouldn't have this issue |
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| 13:04.54 | gerforce | rant: hi, remember the question we talk about yesterday? I found the vend/prod which is 1000:0059. |
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| 13:05.21 | mackerel449 | jelly: thanks, guess i could try pulling from testing when it gets there |
| 13:05.23 | rant | gerforce: I remember talking about an issue.. not what it was. might still be in my chat buffer |
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| 13:06.14 | rant | no its not and I just typed the wrong command to clear the search obviously.. heh |
| 13:06.24 | petn-randall | DrBunsen: On a 64bit system? |
| 13:07.05 | rant | so now I dont have any backlog.. ugh |
| 13:07.06 | DrBunsen | petn-randall: ofc |
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| 13:09.23 | gerforce | rant: ok, it's about a raid card linux driver. LSI Megaraid sas 8208ELP(vend/prod: 1000:0059) |
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| 13:09.53 | rant | gerforce: ah.. that issue.. I thought we put that one to bed.. heh. |
| 13:10.07 | fasdfd | blackflow, https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SysadminGuide#Flat Flat layout doesn't imply root (or toplevel ID5 vol) unseparated from other locations, you can have a toplevel ID5 vol that contains three subvolumes - root var and home |
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| 13:11.03 | rant | gerforce: no that id is not one of the ones claimed by megaraid_sas |
| 13:12.02 | blackflow | fasdfd: then I misunderstood you, sorry. |
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| 13:13.22 | gerforce | rant: yes. according the paste you gave yesterday. |
| 13:13.26 | rant | gerforce: my thoughts on that issue remain the same.. its proprietary, and if even remotely possible to get it working it'd either require 3rd party and possibly hard to find stuff and would not work with a normal install method which leaves your options to reverse engineer or make your own code, sell it to someone and buy something else, or install to some other storage device.. else use a compatible os |
| 13:13.32 | rant | Windows |
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| 13:17.43 | gerforce | rant: i totally agree. Just try to tell you that when i see you online. |
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| 13:19.09 | rant | gerforce: well feedback loop on support is usually a good thing |
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| 13:21.34 | wonderer | hey all |
| 13:21.43 | wonderer | how can i overcome this issue? |
| 13:21.44 | wonderer | https://pastebin.com/uhT25F3A |
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| 13:21.48 | wonderer | deb 6 - 7 |
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| 13:22.25 | gerforce | rant: absolutely. :P |
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| 13:23.27 | rant | wonderer: deb 1 ? heh.. commonly we say squeeze->wheezy cause 6 - 7 = 1 |
| 13:23.57 | dunaeth | Hi are there prerequisites to use simple-cdd to create an installation iso ? |
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| 13:26.35 | rant | wonderer: my only thoughts on this are that you should be following https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html and you probably skipped a few steps, the LAST of which is a dist-upgrade |
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| 13:32.59 | rant | wonderer: if I were to think on it further I'd note that apt is targeting a squeeze version of a package when you are upgrading FROM squeeze which is what tells me my previous thought was correct.. cause being that you did dist-upgrade (if you were going about it right) youd have already made sure squeeze was at latest point release, etc..etc.. changed sources list, updated cache.. and it'd not be targeting |
| 13:33.04 | rant | a squeeze package |
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| 13:34.14 | wonderer | thx rant |
| 13:34.52 | rant | shrugs.. |
| 13:35.23 | rant | idk if that'll help but this system shouldve been upgraded long ago.. the version you're upgrading TO has gone off its LTS already |
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| 13:36.57 | rant | LTS is for production users, regular users should upgrade before LTS kicks in.. and using a release after LTS is for educational, nostalgia, or museums :P |
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| 13:37.52 | rant | none of which is really supported here. We focus on the latest stable release and the most recent old stable |
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| 14:27.10 | ansyeb | hello. our zabbix fixates spikes in "context switches p/sec" during times when nginx stops serving requests even tho server resources are by far not depleted, nothing calls oom-killer or whatnot. at some point "show porcesslist" amount of queues begins to grow and stops responsing back to php seemingly. stack is: nginx-php5-mysql(myisam+innodb), myisam doesnt have enough memory to keep indexes there at all times. what could be the cause of that and where |
| 14:27.10 | ansyeb | to look for the issue? |
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| 14:28.40 | ansyeb | the only other metric that grows everytime that problem occurs is nginx "Number of writing connections", but I'd assume they simply couldnt close(finish) waiting for php to respond |
| 14:28.44 | jelly | ansyeb: are you sure #debian is the best place to ask? |
| 14:28.48 | ansyeb | no |
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| 14:29.01 | jelly | /msg alis list zabbix |
| 14:29.05 | ansyeb | registered @linux but gotten no e-mail for confirmation still |
| 14:29.23 | ansyeb | oh, tbh in that case. I think debin is better ;/ |
| 14:29.26 | jelly | ask the bot whether there's a zabbix channel |
| 14:29.35 | ansyeb | since its more about "context switches" |
| 14:29.35 | greycat | !zabbix |
| 14:29.35 | dpkg | Zabbix is a cross-platform network management system. http://www.zabbix.com/ #zabbix on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:30.00 | ansyeb | why would their amount grow. what is usually the cause. mb someone had experience with it |
| 14:32.12 | jelly | mysql and myisam is good for some things and crap for others |
| 14:32.30 | blackflow | mostly the latter. |
| 14:33.26 | `Kevin | people still use myisam?! ;D |
| 14:33.27 | jelly | who knows what the app is doing and what kind of bottleneck you're hitting. Maybe you need to tune your mysql server to use _more_ resources to keep the working set in memory |
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| 14:34.00 | FinalX | `Kevin: mysql's own system db is myisam :| |
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| 14:34.10 | jelly | `Kevin: evne when they use innodb, some distros still fail to default to filespace_per_table enabled |
| 14:34.13 | greycat | people still use mysql?! |
| 14:34.27 | `Kevin | FinalX: indeed because there isnt heavy write/lock contention there |
| 14:34.38 | `Kevin | jelly: yea thats kind of sad |
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| 14:35.18 | ansyeb | nono, only if we choose to scale server vertically. but ok guys, nvm |
| 14:35.38 | FinalX | `Kevin: yeah, though it makes it impossible to disable the entire storage engine :) |
| 14:35.41 | `Kevin | ansyeb: if you are using myisam it could be locking contention you will need to figure that out (typical if you see a huge pileup waiting to aquire lock or etc) |
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| 14:36.03 | blackflow | ansyeb: unrelated, but it might give you ideas. Once I caught a flask based uwsgi application doing 1M syscalls per second. Wasn't measuring CS but given the determined cause, it'd probably do that many CS too. the cause was 1 byte read buffer between nginx and the wsgi server. so it ran one byte per read() syscall. |
| 14:36.12 | greycat | The point is that while you *might* conceivably find someone here with the in-depth knowledge of nginx + mysql/myisam + PHP + zabbix that you're looking for, you're more likely to find such experts in a more focused channel. |
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| 14:37.31 | jelly | and such experts are way more likely to share their expertise in a zabbix-specific than a distro channel |
| 14:37.42 | jelly | even if they reside in both |
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| 14:38.29 | `Kevin | ansyeb: set your long_query_time to 1 second +enable slow query log and analyze it, what is taking a long time ? sort that out ... its too much to go into detail in this channel |
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| 14:39.47 | ansyeb | ok. but we've checked slow_log ofc |
| 14:40.16 | ansyeb | atm i think that whole stuff is about index queries, that are not currently in memory |
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| 14:57.04 | plop6 | hi |
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| 14:57.31 | petn-randall | hi plop6 |
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| 14:58.03 | plop6 | qemu-system-x86 from testing doesn't have sdl by default, only vnc |
| 14:58.43 | plop6 | using stable version for now to get graphics |
| 14:59.24 | mrtnt | Is it possible to install Firefox 52.3.0 on Debian 9.4 using apt-get? If I check with "apt-cache showpkg firefox", then this does not seem to be available. |
| 14:59.38 | greycat | ,v firefox-esr |
| 14:59.38 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.8.1esr-2; sid: 52.8.1esr-2; experimental: 60.0.2esr-1 |
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| 15:01.32 | mrtnt | greycat: ok. So the answer is no? |
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| 15:01.58 | greycat | If you want an obsolete, insecure version of a package, retrieve it by hand from snapshot.debian.org. |
| 15:02.05 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 15:02.05 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 15:05.59 | mrtnt | greycat: thanks! So backports are for newer packages than the release I am running and snapshot is for older packages than the release I am running provides? |
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| 15:06.21 | greycat | You should not be using old packages without a REALLY good reason. |
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| 15:07.22 | RoyK | better build your own packages with old sources if you really need to |
| 15:07.27 | RoyK | checkinstall works well |
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| 15:08.32 | mrtnt | greycat: the problem is, that Firefox version 52.8.1 does not seem to support specific JRE plugin which I need for acessing a server LOM controller. LOM controller has the latest firmware installed. |
| 15:09.27 | RoyK | mrtnt: those things like LOM/iDRAC/IPMI are written by somewhat traind monkies - they suck - really |
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| 15:10.03 | RoyK | mrtnt: better keep a well isolated machine with win2k with IE for those - or a VM |
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| 15:13.03 | mrtnt | RoyK: ok, thanks! |
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| 15:13.17 | jelly | keep your IPMI in isolated LAN segment accessible only via VPN, shit's broken yo |
| 15:14.05 | RoyK | jelly: obviously, but then, put that VM on that VLAN and disallow it access to the internet |
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| 15:14.36 | jelly | RoyK: esp. if ithas to be like windows 2003 with IE6 and java 5 |
| 15:14.55 | RoyK | jelly: all those remote control things are full of shit |
| 15:14.57 | blackflow | mrtnt: you sure you need FF support for that? The IPMI thing on my servers wants me to download a file that I can start outside of the browser with javaws, given that FF and Chromium no longer support java |
| 15:15.13 | jelly | yes, and we're very thankful they exist |
| 15:15.30 | jelly | first time you don't have to travel 200+ miles to the DC |
| 15:15.47 | RoyK | jelly: I know |
| 15:16.41 | RoyK | jelly: but it's rather annoying that they are rarely updated |
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| 15:42.20 | limbo_ | How do I reset the timer for sudo asking me for a password? |
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| 15:43.05 | limbo_ | I ran a script the other day that treated running sudo like a confirmation step, and I didn't want to give it root. |
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| 15:44.09 | petn-randall | limbo_: On which OS? Debian doesn't have a timer by default. |
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| 15:45.26 | karlpinc | limbo_: The simple way would be to write the script and then call it with a single sudo call.... |
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| 15:46.17 | limbo_ | karlpinc: I didn't write the script. |
| 15:46.52 | limbo_ | petn-randall: debian stretch. I don't recall configuring that myself. |
| 15:47.17 | karlpinc | limbo_: You could write a script that calls it. :-) Does root need a password when invoking sudo? I don't know. |
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| 15:48.37 | petn-randall | limbo_: When running `visudo` you should have a line with 'Defaults timestamp_timeout=XXX' in there. Just comment that out, and you'll be asked every time. |
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| 15:48.55 | bites | sudo -k to reset it once. |
| 15:49.11 | petn-randall | Or set it to a lower value, XXX is minutes it caches the passwordless sudo. |
| 15:49.12 | bites | next time you run sudo it asks for a password. |
| 15:49.27 | limbo_ | karlpinc: it asks if sudo is more than one level down? good to know. |
| 15:49.31 | limbo_ | bites: thanks. |
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| 15:51.12 | karlpinc | limbo_: I don't know. I tend to avoid sudo because I don't like the idea of needing only single set of credentials to get root. (Obviously there's multiple solutions to that problem.) |
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| 15:52.42 | limbo_ | so you log in as root? |
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| 15:53.23 | blackflow | with a...... single set of credentials? :))) |
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| 15:54.15 | jelly | it's a singlet set, containing both my and root's auth info. |
| 15:54.21 | jelly | single* |
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| 16:04.37 | twobitsprite | I'm running in to something very similar to this RedHat bug while running a Fedora 28 docker container on my Buster system... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1223467 |
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| 16:06.05 | yasir | hi |
| 16:06.09 | yasir | anyone here |
| 16:06.12 | twobitsprite | I've tried searching around, but I can't find a similar bug filed for Debian, but I was hoping someone here might know enough about btrfs/systemd-tmpfiles/subvolumes/etc to help me figure out a way to work around it |
| 16:07.08 | yasir | is there any blog |
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| 16:10.31 | petn-randall | yasir: blog for what? |
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| 16:12.40 | yasir | where from i know how to install docker |
| 16:12.42 | yasir | nvm |
| 16:12.49 | yasir | mongodb |
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| 16:16.14 | babilen | yasir: You want to find a blog dedicated to mongodb installations? |
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| 16:17.59 | yasir | no |
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| 16:19.42 | twobitsprite | yasir: on IRC it's generally best to just ask the question you want to ask |
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| 16:22.08 | Kobaz | i'm having a problem starting x as a user... and no issue starting as root |
| 16:22.17 | Kobaz | as a user i'm getting the main error of: VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support |
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| 16:23.00 | Kobaz | http://www.kobaz.net/misc/xorg.notworking and http://www.kobaz.net/misc/xorg.working log files |
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| 16:24.07 | petn-randall | Kobaz: Why are you starting X by hand? login managers exist and fix a lot of issues around running it by hand. |
| 16:24.17 | Kobaz | because those don't work either |
| 16:24.25 | Kobaz | so i'm trying to dig and resolve the actual issue |
| 16:24.27 | petn-randall | !xy problem |
| 16:24.27 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 16:24.37 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 16:24.37 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 16:24.45 | Kobaz | right |
| 16:24.51 | Kobaz | i don't need those, you can save the effort |
| 16:24.58 | petn-randall | Kobaz: Start by describing the actual issue, we can then dig in the logs. |
| 16:25.02 | Kobaz | i'm working on resolving a specific problem |
| 16:25.15 | Kobaz | http://www.kobaz.net/misc/xorg.notworking and http://www.kobaz.net/misc/xorg.working log files |
| 16:25.24 | Kobaz | i'm having a problem starting x as a user... and no issue starting as root... as a user i'm getting the main error of: VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support |
| 16:25.27 | Kobaz | that's what i have so far |
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| 16:25.49 | petn-randall | Kobaz: I thought you're only doing that because the login manager doesn't work? |
| 16:25.57 | Kobaz | well, kind of |
| 16:26.01 | Kobaz | i don't usually use a login manager anyway |
| 16:26.10 | Kobaz | but i figured i would try it to see if that 'just worked' and it didn't |
| 16:26.15 | petn-randall | weird, but ok. |
| 16:26.35 | Kobaz | i start gdm3 and nothing happens |
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| 16:26.46 | twobitsprite | Kobaz: nothing? |
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| 16:26.48 | petn-randall | Kobaz: black screen, or what exactly? |
| 16:26.52 | Kobaz | i couldn't find any new log entries related to it, no video mode switch |
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| 16:26.55 | Kobaz | i just stay at my text console |
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| 16:27.14 | twobitsprite | Kobaz: gdm will start on another vty |
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| 16:27.23 | twobitsprite | Kobaz: try running gdm and hitting alt-f7 |
| 16:27.26 | petn-randall | Kobaz: What does `journalctl -u gdm3` and `systemctl status gdm3` return for you? |
| 16:27.34 | Kobaz | petn-randall: no systemd |
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| 16:27.44 | petn-randall | Kobaz: sysvinit? |
| 16:27.46 | Kobaz | yes |
| 16:27.52 | petn-randall | Kobaz: Which release is this? |
| 16:27.55 | Kobaz | twobitsprite: yeah i tried all the consoles |
| 16:27.59 | Kobaz | unstable |
| 16:28.04 | Kobaz | i was on stretch and had some issues |
| 16:28.08 | petn-randall | oh ... |
| 16:28.11 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 16:28.11 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:28.13 | Kobaz | so i updated |
| 16:28.29 | petn-randall | Kobaz: In that case, it's probably expected to be broken. But you'll get support in the channel above. ^^^ |
| 16:28.43 | Kobaz | i've had really good runs with unstable |
| 16:28.51 | Kobaz | most of my desktop machines are on testing or unstable |
| 16:28.54 | petn-randall | Upgrading to sid isn't a solution to your problems, it's the beginning. :> |
| 16:28.57 | twobitsprite | Kobaz: you updated from stretch to unstable? |
| 16:29.06 | Kobaz | i have an issue maybe once a year... and this is one of thenm |
| 16:29.23 | petn-randall | Kobaz: Do you have non-free drivers? |
| 16:29.27 | Kobaz | no |
| 16:29.35 | Kobaz | all plain jane |
| 16:29.39 | Kobaz | built in radeon |
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| 16:29.52 | petn-randall | Ok, because they usually lag half a year behind at times. |
| 16:30.18 | Kobaz | i'm thinknig it's probably a permission thing |
| 16:30.20 | Kobaz | since it works as root |
| 16:31.47 | twobitsprite | Kobaz: was eveything installed by apt from Debian repos, or do you have some kind of hacked together setup with hand edited X configs or manually built/installed packages? |
| 16:32.06 | Kobaz | no manually built system level stuff |
| 16:32.09 | petn-randall | Then again rootless X has been a thing for the last two releases, and the gdm3 init script runs as root. |
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| 16:32.25 | Kobaz | a few random userland apps have been |
| 16:32.32 | Kobaz | all debian repos |
| 16:32.48 | Kobaz | X config is slightly hand edited but nothing fancy |
| 16:33.04 | Kobaz | same x config has worked the last 3 or so debian releases |
| 16:33.08 | twobitsprite | Kobaz: which userland apps? anything that might be relevant to X startup? |
| 16:33.12 | Kobaz | nope |
| 16:33.14 | petn-randall | Kobaz: Then what does /etc/init.d/gdm3 status return, and what are the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 16:33.15 | Kobaz | stuff like pgadmin3 |
| 16:33.18 | Kobaz | that sort of thing |
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| 16:34.02 | twobitsprite | Kobaz: try using the default X configs? |
| 16:34.02 | Kobaz | i pasted my logs |
| 16:34.03 | Kobaz | lemme get it |
| 16:34.08 | Kobaz | twobitsprite: yeah i tried |
| 16:34.19 | Kobaz | same thing... user no go... root works just fine |
| 16:34.24 | Kobaz | http://www.kobaz.net/misc/xorg.notworking and http://www.kobaz.net/misc/xorg.working log files |
| 16:34.31 | Kobaz | the working one, is when running as root |
| 16:35.06 | rant | Kobaz: the error is (EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: The name org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files that "error" you mentioned I not only do not see in here, but it wouldnt be an error anyhow, it'd be a warning |
| 16:35.08 | petn-randall | Kobaz: (EE) systemd-logind: failed to get session: The name org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files |
| 16:35.23 | petn-randall | I don't think gnome works withoutu systemd these days. |
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| 16:36.20 | twobitsprite | petn-randall: is that true of gdm too though? |
| 16:36.43 | greycat | twobitsprite: did you see the (EE) message? |
| 16:37.53 | Kobaz | well that was bad |
| 16:37.58 | petn-randall | Kobaz: What changes did you add to your xorg.conf? |
| 16:38.00 | Kobaz | i had gdm3 previously removed |
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| 16:38.12 | Kobaz | i just reinstalled it and started it up, and it went into a loop |
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| 16:38.19 | Kobaz | probably dieing on startup and auto-restarting |
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| 16:38.37 | Kobaz | i restarted and then my console locked up |
| 16:38.41 | petn-randall | Wouldn't that have shown running `/etc/init.d/gdm3 status`? |
| 16:38.42 | Kobaz | box was still running so i was able to reboot |
| 16:38.52 | Kobaz | when you asked... gdm3 was not installed |
| 16:39.04 | Kobaz | so i installed it, started it, and was about to get the status when all hell broke loose |
| 16:39.24 | rant | ah that warning is in here.. but its irrelevant to the issue |
| 16:39.46 | Kobaz | okay |
| 16:39.48 | Kobaz | here's the gdm log |
| 16:40.10 | rant | this may be worth mentioning, from my Xorg.0.log (II) systemd-logind: logind integration requires -keeptty and -keeptty was not provided, disabling logind integration |
| 16:40.14 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.23 | rant | so apparently whatever systemd stuff is going on is not actually required |
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| 16:40.29 | Kobaz | yeah |
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| 16:42.34 | Kobaz | i think gdm3 needs systemd |
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| 16:42.52 | rant | http://paste.debian.net/1030828/ for further comparison as desired.. xorg log on Stretch amd64 w/ Radeon R2E (amd firmware installed) runing lightdm+mate with no modifications or configs |
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| 16:45.45 | Kobaz | yummmm |
| 16:45.47 | Kobaz | uhh |
| 16:45.53 | Kobaz | haha, i found it |
| 16:45.57 | Kobaz | wtf |
| 16:46.03 | Kobaz | syntax error in my .xinitrc |
| 16:46.26 | Kobaz | why is error reporting so wacked out in oss |
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| 16:47.38 | greycat | Well, the only thing that should be using .xinitrc is startx. So you login on a text console, type "startx", X starts, you get a brief flash, then X terminates, you're dumped back to the text console, and you see the errors from your shell on the screen. |
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| 16:47.48 | greycat | What is the "wacked out" part? |
| 16:48.13 | Kobaz | every single project i work on just tends to have really bad error handling |
| 16:48.43 | Kobaz | like when i first started working on asterisk, that was one of my first things i worked on, was error handling and printing out why things were failing... not just the fact they were failing |
| 16:48.45 | rant | you probably mean FOSS, oss is a linux sound system |
| 16:48.54 | Kobaz | haha well, yea |
| 16:49.11 | rant | when I read that I thought you were using oss |
| 16:49.16 | Kobaz | ah |
| 16:49.18 | Kobaz | okay |
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| 16:49.28 | Kobaz | and like every php web app known to man |
| 16:49.30 | Kobaz | just about |
| 16:49.34 | Kobaz | </rant> |
| 16:49.35 | petn-randall | OSS = open source software |
| 16:49.46 | Kobaz | petn-randall: depends on the context |
| 16:49.47 | petn-randall | that's perfectly fine, if you don't get along with the GNu folks. ;) |
| 16:49.59 | greycat | I'm still not getting which part is "wacked out". You chose to run unstable, you chose to use a nonstandard init system, you chose to create a .xinitrc file. You have self-selected as an "advanced" user, who should be able to debug your own .xinitrc script. |
| 16:50.33 | Kobaz | right |
| 16:50.49 | Kobaz | but only in some very specific operating conditions did it actually tell me about the syntax error in .xinitrc |
| 16:51.06 | Kobaz | otherwise it just bombed out and i was looking at errors and warnings that were completely unrelated |
| 16:51.07 | greycat | Again, you are not describing what you actually did or did not see. |
| 16:51.20 | Kobaz | i pasted my log files, those are the things i saw |
| 16:51.37 | petn-randall | wonders how the user .xinitrc would get read by gdm3 init script. |
| 16:51.51 | greycat | How would you get a "log file" of errors sitting on the linux text console? Phone-camera + optical character scanning? |
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| 16:52.16 | Kobaz | xorg writes to a log when starting |
| 16:52.19 | greycat | gdm3 does not and should not be reading .xinitrc, which is why I said he must have been typing "startx" |
| 16:52.22 | Kobaz | and the last entries on my screen match the log |
| 16:52.33 | Kobaz | right, i only tried gdm3 once |
| 16:52.38 | Kobaz | and it failed miserably... still not sure why |
| 16:52.43 | petn-randall | greycat: Kobaz said that also gdm3 was failing, which is why I'm asking. |
| 16:52.56 | Kobaz | my hunch is that it needs systemd... noting all the lines of systemd errors in the gdm log |
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| 16:53.13 | greycat | The Xorg.0.log file only contains the output from the X server, not from the X session/client stuff. |
| 16:53.21 | Kobaz | right but it matched my console |
| 16:53.23 | petn-randall | Kobaz: For usability, sure, but not to start up the X11. |
| 16:53.26 | Kobaz | for the last 12 times i tried to start x |
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| 16:53.39 | Kobaz | there was no indication of any problems with .xinitrc until my most recent attempt |
| 16:53.45 | Kobaz | where it plainly said ' |
| 16:53.54 | Kobaz | syntax error .xinitrc line 12 |
| 16:54.14 | Kobaz | otherwise i would have fixed this a week ago, if it had consistently been printing that error to the console |
| 16:54.22 | Kobaz | that's why my random complaint about error handling |
| 16:55.14 | greycat | If the X server spammed the console with server crap when it was shutting down after the session terminated, then yeah, that would be annoying and hard to work around. Maybe your ~/.xsession-errors would have the session errors, though. |
| 16:55.30 | greycat | I don't have a lot of experience with badly written .xinitrc or .xsession files. |
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| 16:56.02 | Kobaz | neither do i, i don't usually badly write them |
| 16:56.05 | rant | idk that log seems to indicate an incorrect driver which doesnt make sense with it working as root which would use the same config |
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| 16:56.16 | Kobaz | EXACTLY |
| 16:56.18 | Kobaz | haha |
| 16:56.20 | Kobaz | so confusing |
| 16:57.11 | rant | the actual fatal error is related to the screen being initalized by the driver which is all in the server itself not in the user or session |
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| 16:57.52 | jhutchins_wk | When something works as root but not as user the obvious problem is permissions (or path). The difficult part is permissions on WHAT. |
| 16:58.06 | greycat | Obvious but in this case wrong. |
| 16:58.34 | Kobaz | i would say obvious possability of a problem |
| 16:58.38 | Kobaz | in this case it wasn't permissions |
| 16:58.48 | Kobaz | although initially it was actually a permission problem i fixed last week |
| 16:58.58 | Kobaz | login manager wasn't setting ownership in /dev/tty* properly |
| 16:59.00 | greycat | It's certainly something you'd keep in mind and maybe spend some time looking for, but in this case it turned out not to be the problem. |
| 16:59.06 | Kobaz | it would be owned by root after startx |
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| 16:59.30 | Kobaz | so i was fighting multiple problems.. starting from a number of days ago |
| 16:59.30 | greycat | *that* sounds like an "I changed my init system to a zucchini" problem |
| 16:59.40 | rant | heh |
| 16:59.50 | Kobaz | i like zucchini |
| 17:00.20 | rant | that may be so, but does not a good init system make |
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| 17:02.02 | petn-randall | or grammar, for that matter. |
| 17:02.05 | rant | I suspect such user error in replacing systemd too as soon as I tried to traceback the fatal and ound only mention of systemd then checked my own logs which seem to indicate whatever ties xorg has to systemd arent actually hard ties because my systm says it disabled it |
| 17:02.06 | Kobaz | perfect example of awful error handling |
| 17:02.14 | Kobaz | firefox@markm:~$ firefox No protocol specified |
| 17:02.21 | Kobaz | why bother printing that out... it's meaningless |
| 17:02.44 | jelly | it's an errmsg from an X11 library. |
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| 17:02.58 | jelly | you could have gotten like "-3" instead |
| 17:03.02 | Kobaz | haha |
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| 17:03.08 | Kobaz | okay, i'll give you that |
| 17:03.35 | jelly | at that point you strace or ltrace the app to see what's generating the error |
| 17:04.17 | Kobaz | right of course there's tools |
| 17:04.20 | Kobaz | just saying... |
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| 17:04.22 | jelly | because the app did not provide a helpful stack trace |
| 17:04.31 | greycat | or you remember why you launch firefox/chrome from your WM menu and let it spam .xsession-errors instead of a terminal window |
| 17:04.35 | jelly | because it's a huge fucking web browser |
| 17:05.15 | Kobaz | you could have outputted (could not connect to foobarbaz while loading bookmarks, No protocol specified) |
| 17:05.17 | Kobaz | or who knows |
| 17:05.29 | Kobaz | at least you would (at a cursory level) have more of an idea of what was going wrong |
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| 17:05.59 | rant | as was already stated the message didnt come from firefox to begin with |
| 17:06.12 | Kobaz | just a random example |
| 17:06.16 | rant | so it had no control over it |
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| 17:06.26 | greycat | Complaining about low-level cosmetics in a major web browser is going to be pointless. They're more concerned with bolting on new features and increasing the version number. |
| 17:06.41 | Kobaz | firefox 125! |
| 17:06.48 | greycat | If it doesn't crash and doesn't do anything bad that's visible to a Windows user, they won't care. |
| 17:06.57 | rant | heh |
| 17:06.58 | Kobaz | new and improved, faster crashes! bigger malware! |
| 17:07.05 | jelly | stuff like that usually happens when it's an isolated process with required env.vars or /tmp/X11 sockets missing. I have... no idea what happens if it's not X but wayland, instead |
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| 17:08.08 | rant | too bad there isnt a /var/log/pebcak.log |
| 17:08.29 | jelly | that's not nearly the worst I've seen |
| 17:09.28 | jelly | try running a dynamically linked binary supported by kernel, but with no ld.so installed (eg. a 32bit program on a pure 64bit system) |
| 17:09.42 | jelly | you get... No such file or directory |
| 17:09.59 | jelly | "but it's right there!! I just ran it!" |
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| 17:10.17 | Kobaz | haha |
| 17:10.21 | greycat | Yeah, takes a bit of experience to know how to respond to that. |
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| 17:10.26 | Kobaz | see! |
| 17:10.38 | Kobaz | OSS error handling == sucky |
| 17:10.49 | Kobaz | not that windows does it any better, haha |
| 17:10.53 | petn-randall | I don't think it's specific to OSS. |
| 17:10.57 | Kobaz | error -12327398732484 invalid exception |
| 17:10.57 | rant | you need to borrow a few F's I got some.. |
| 17:11.07 | petn-randall | PC LOAD LETTER |
| 17:11.11 | Kobaz | and then you have to look it up, and find 900 other people reporting the same thing and having no idea what it was |
| 17:11.18 | jelly | at least you can google 0x8008f00c |
| 17:11.31 | Kobaz | file not found is a bit more problematic |
| 17:11.43 | jelly | now try googling "No such file or directory" |
| 17:11.43 | petn-randall | Guru Meditation #0000025.65472813551 |
| 17:12.19 | rant | heh |
| 17:12.32 | jelly | where's my kickstart disk |
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| 18:03.14 | jak2000 | hi all i am under a firewall, is possible wich ips have permit togo to www? |
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| 18:12.50 | `whoami` | jak2000: hello, could you rephrase your question, please ? |
| 18:13.16 | jak2000 | you are on a LAN with 50 pcs... 10 ips can surf on internet, your ip not, how to know the 10 ips that can surf on internet? and of course not want ask to sysadmin... |
| 18:14.53 | `whoami` | a legal way would be to try each machine separately, I guess |
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| 18:16.27 | greycat | The correct answer is "ask the network admin". |
| 18:16.39 | jak2000 | greycat yes but ... you know... |
| 18:16.47 | greycat | Anything you say at this point either gets you /ignored or +q'ed. |
| 18:16.49 | jelly | jak2000: we're not here to help you break policy, sorry |
| 18:17.10 | jelly | also, it's not a debian-specific issue really |
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| 18:19.13 | jelly | now, if you reformulate it as a puzzle you might get away with it in ##security, or of you're specific with type of block and can show your work, maybe a networking channel |
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| 18:22.47 | kenran | Hi guys, I installed debian on my new (cheap) notebook but my touchpad is not being recognized. I tried an ubuntu and mint live boot but neither of those recognized it either. Could you help me troubleshoot this please? |
| 18:23.26 | kenran | A lot of posts mention that switching to synaptics could help, but I tried this already, and also copied over the corresponding config files. It still isn't working at all. |
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| 18:26.00 | jak2000 | greycat, jelly sorry is for educational, but no problem know |
| 18:27.15 | jak2000 | always helped me... much thanks |
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| 18:27.50 | agio | does anyone know the command to disconnect network manager from wifi |
| 18:27.52 | agio | ? |
| 18:28.12 | somiaj | kenran: There isn't some firmware and or hardware switch to turn on/off the touchpad? I use to have a laptop with a phiscal switch that turned it on/off. |
| 18:28.14 | kenran | This is what cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep -i name outputs me: https://pastebin.com/LSZscqta |
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| 18:28.34 | somiaj | agio: open up networkmanager, and say disconnect? Or do you want something else? |
| 18:29.20 | somiaj | kenran: I don't see a touchpad lissted in that list, if the kernel isn't seeing it... |
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| 18:29.51 | somiaj | though maybe it is the Intel HID 5 button array, hard to tell |
| 18:30.03 | agio | somiaj: I mean command line e.g. nmcli - or nmtui |
| 18:30.04 | kenran | somiaj: am I right in assuming that the kernel would also see it if it were disabled? |
| 18:30.30 | somiaj | kenran: if disabled in the firmware, the kernel would not see it. |
| 18:30.40 | somiaj | firmware can disable presenting the device alltogether |
| 18:30.46 | kenran | somiaj: I couldn't find any switch. There is the Fn button combination but it doesn't seem to do anything. Yeah I thought about the intel 5 button array as well. |
| 18:30.50 | somiaj | agio: man nmcli? |
| 18:31.05 | somiaj | agio: I don't know off the top of my head, but that option should be documented if using nmcli |
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| 18:35.03 | kenran | Is it possible there is a bios option for such things? It's my first notebook... no physical switch to be found and when it came with Win10 the touchpad worked fine |
| 18:35.57 | somiaj | often times multiple things can be turned off/on in firmware, so it is possible. I would at least look there |
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| 18:37.10 | kenran | somiaj: thanks, I'll check that. I'm using a tiling window manager now so I'm not really using the touchpad anyway, but it would just be nice to have it working on a new device :/ |
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| 19:00.27 | agio | is it possible to follow a file in less? I try hitting F - less says "waiting for data..." but then it freezes ? |
| 19:01.57 | greycat | Maybe it's waiting for data. |
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| 19:06.10 | agio | it seems F works with standard less - but not when less is invoked via journalctl? |
| 19:06.30 | greycat | journalctl isn't reading a file. So how can you follow a file when there's no file? |
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| 19:08.39 | agio | yeah, I was thinking the same thing myself - so then you can't interactively switch between "follow" and "page" mode in journalctl output, it seems |
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| 19:28.32 | TacticReplicatio | Hi all |
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| 19:29.38 | TacticReplicatio | Is it possible to live stream my desktop on a DLNA service? |
| 19:29.51 | TacticReplicatio | to act like read-only VNC |
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| 19:42.52 | WhiteDevil | this is odd i dont have ifconfig in my debian |
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| 19:43.09 | WhiteDevil | okay a question i have a panda wireless PAU09 |
| 19:43.17 | WhiteDevil | and i am trying to get it to work with my debian |
| 19:43.21 | WhiteDevil | any help wiuld be appreciated |
| 19:43.33 | WhiteDevil | even tips on getting another Wireless adpter that runs fine on debian |
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| 19:44.26 | greycat | ifconfig is in the net-tools package, which is not installed by default in Debian 9. If you want it, you can install it. |
| 19:44.37 | jak2000 | my linux box running in readonly, how to fix? |
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| 19:46.09 | WhiteDevil | how do i make my account in the netdev group ? |
| 19:46.37 | greycat | start here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 19:46.54 | greycat | or maybe that's not the starting point, I don't know |
| 19:47.27 | WhiteDevil | sudo gpasswd -a yourusername netdev |
| 19:47.28 | WhiteDevil | ? |
| 19:47.40 | greycat | I just know that what you're asking is NOT the right question. |
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| 19:48.31 | WhiteDevil | i just need to check if i can run this wireless card on this pc or i have to give it back |
| 19:49.08 | greycat | Step 1 is identifying the actual hardware chipset. Step 2 is making sure you have the right driver AND firmware for this chipset, if those even exist under Linux. |
| 19:49.12 | greycat | Step 3 is configuring stuff. |
| 19:49.19 | r4co0n | @WhiteDevil, usermod -a -G netdev yourusername |
| 19:49.32 | r4co0n | This adds yourusername to netdev |
| 19:49.57 | greycat | or "adduser username groupname", or "vigr", or ... |
| 19:50.04 | greycat | but I have no idea why you think that will be useful |
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| 19:50.24 | jak2000 | greycat you read me? |
| 19:50.44 | WhiteDevil | well the thing is |
| 19:50.57 | WhiteDevil | that the usb adapter i have is probably one of th best when it comes wto working with linux |
| 19:51.13 | WhiteDevil | for most people its plug and play |
| 19:51.13 | greycat | If it's USB, I think the starting point command is "lsusb" |
| 19:51.16 | WhiteDevil | but thats not happening here |
| 19:51.35 | WhiteDevil | o it sees it |
| 19:51.50 | WhiteDevil | so it is plug and play |
| 19:52.01 | WhiteDevil | now i just have to figure out how to set it up |
| 19:52.10 | WhiteDevil | RT5572 Wireless adapter |
| 19:52.19 | WhiteDevil | let me look up the debian page to see if it has drivers for it |
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| 19:52.43 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
| 19:53.07 | greycat | Looks promising. Add contrib & non-free, install one firmware package. |
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| 20:01.57 | WhiteDevil | okay its workign |
| 20:02.05 | WhiteDevil | now i am gonna try it on my rhel |
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| 20:31.29 | jakes | running Raspbian (OSMC) & want to send regular audio from video to my TV over HDMI (check) but audio from my BT-connected mobile (a2dp) to my hifi over minijack, so that I don't need to turn on the TV to listen to music |
| 20:31.41 | greycat | !raspbian |
| 20:31.41 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 20:33.09 | jakes | greycat: please read what's implied by question: issue is lower-level than Raspbian, but how PA functions on Debian & tooling |
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| 20:43.20 | mac` | hello i am having issues with dpkg https://pastebin.com/JwsP6JFF |
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| 20:46.07 | greycat | ,v php-horde-webmail |
| 20:46.08 | judd | Package: php-horde-webmail on amd64 -- jessie: 5.2.2-1; stretch: 5.2.17-1; buster: 5.2.22-3; sid: 5.2.22-3 |
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| 20:46.29 | greycat | ,v php-horde |
| 20:46.30 | judd | Package: php-horde on amd64 -- jessie: 5.2.1+debian0-2+deb8u3; jessie-security: 5.2.1+debian0-2+deb8u3; stretch: 5.2.13+debian0-1; buster: 5.2.17+debian0-3; sid: 5.2.17+debian0-3 |
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| 20:50.02 | greycat | Well, it's true -- both packages contain the file /usr/share/horde/config according to their package file lists on packages.debian.org. Sounds like bug reportin' time. Meanwhile, if you think this is a thing you should actually install, there's dpkg --force-overwrite |
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| 20:56.32 | mac` | thank you |
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| 21:33.12 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 21:34.47 | Azrael_- | since updating to libc-bin:amd64 2.19-18+deb8u10 i get sefaults from php-fpm. how can i revert libc to a previous version? |
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| 21:36.48 | annadane | ,v libc-bin |
| 21:36.49 | judd | Package: libc-bin on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-3; sid: 2.27-3 |
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| 21:39.17 | Azrael_- | so, how can i revert it? |
| 21:39.43 | annadane | i'm not really sure you should |
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| 21:41.04 | somiaj | !snapshot |
| 21:41.04 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 21:41.07 | Azrael_- | the webserver consistently throws errors |
| 21:41.24 | Azrael_- | like this i can't work. now i need to find out how to fix it |
| 21:41.45 | somiaj | Azrael_-: of course not having security patches maybe a problem. If the previous version fixes this report a regression bug, and see if the LTS team thinks it is a bad enough regression to fix. |
| 21:42.01 | somiaj | but I would first downgrade and make sure that that is really the issue, and not something else. |
| 21:42.27 | Azrael_- | that's what i try to do but as i never had to do something like this i have no clue how to accomplish this. can you give me some hints how to do it? |
| 21:42.45 | somiaj | I did, read what the bot said, or check if you still have the old version in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 21:43.24 | Azrael_- | k |
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| 22:12.24 | Guest38294 | how to convert "my first string SYMBOLS \n my second string" to "my first string \n my second string SYMBOLS" with sed or python? |
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| 22:16.18 | agio | anyone know where the cron job is for logrotate? |
| 22:17.52 | `whoami` | agio: it seems to be located there: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
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| 22:19.03 | agio | `whoami`: ah, I missed that, I was poking around in /etc/cron.d - but its empty! thanks :) |
| 22:19.11 | `whoami` | np |
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| 22:20.12 | rant | Guest38294: you're literally looking to move the word SYMBOLS in all caps? |
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| 22:23.21 | Guest38294 | @rant it does'nt matter |
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| 22:27.40 | simbalion | I'm having issues with libpam-u2f and Debian 9 on a newish laptop (Thinkpad X1C Rev 6). My yubikey works on my older desktop but on this laptop it fails to communicate during the authorization step. However pamu2fcfg works and other sorts of communications with the yubikey works on this machine. Can anyone offer a possible solution? |
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| 22:28.47 | rant | Guest38294: I've interpreted that as you withdrawing your question because it does matter i SYMBOLS could be any random utf-8 char or something |
| 22:29.10 | Azrael_- | ok, my bad. it seems like this is a bug in php-fpm which only occurs if opcache+xcache are enabled. although i use apache this post seems so have solved it: http://www.stonelab.ch/nginx-php-fpm-segfault-und-crash/ after disabling xcache i can't reproduce the error any more. i already reverted all packages from my archive with "dpkg -i <oldpackage>". |
| 22:29.40 | Azrael_- | now "apt-get upgrade" throws some dependency-errors. how can i fix this best without too much manual effort? |
| 22:32.58 | Guest38294 | i want to move certain chars onto end of next string |
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| 22:37.10 | rant | Guest38294: ok well you psplit the string "split_string=s.split('\n')" then search the first split for chars "SYMBOLS=chars[0].find(SYMBOLS)" then rebuild the string "'\n'.join([chars[:SYMBOLS][0],chars[1]+SYMBOLS])" generally speaking you may want [:SYMBOLS-1] there and chars[1]+' '+SYMBOLS idk |
| 22:37.45 | rant | erm yeah I'm groggy right now but you get the idea I hope |
| 22:38.02 | rant | its a simple split, search, join kinda deal |
| 22:39.07 | agio | what is the debian "best practice" these days for scheduling maintenance/house keeping tasks? cron or systemd timers? |
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| 22:39.19 | rant | thats got all kinds of errors.. if you need more help goto a programming channel like #bash or #python |
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| 22:40.21 | rant | agio: there are no "best practices", its your choice.. I didnt even know systemd did that so I'd have gone with cron |
| 22:40.48 | agio | It seems systemd timers are better |
| 22:41.26 | rant | yeah well only you know whats "best" or "better" for you |
| 22:41.48 | rant | its not like cron is deprecated that I'm aware its still being used |
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| 22:43.41 | `whoami` | is there anything that systemd won't do ? |
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| 22:43.49 | `whoami` | in the future, I mean |
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| 22:45.03 | rant | `whoami`: hopefully... there scifi has many examples of this sort of thing ending badly :P |
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| 22:49.35 | `whoami` | I'm still wondering why systemd was so quickly adopted |
| 22:49.45 | `whoami` | but that's pretty much offtopic, I think :) |
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| 22:50.31 | rant | idk I gues a lot of people thought the whole async loading thing was really important.. and then saw that it had other improvements to make system administration easier |
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| 22:50.54 | rant | and ignored the technical debt / learning curve :P |
| 22:52.02 | `whoami` | =) |
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| 22:52.30 | agio | I think systemd has obvious commands which should have been there all along |
| 22:53.45 | rant | yeah I can see that, but only because I had time to learn a bit how to use it.. it was driving me insane at first everything I was having issues with was tracing back to systemd somehow or another. Wouldn't have hurt to make a long scroll with all the crap systemd changed :P |
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| 22:54.46 | rant | it changed pretty much EVERYTHING.. you can't even date --set anymore without systemd cause its got a service that'll override that |
| 22:55.21 | somiaj | `whoami`: there is a good email listing why debian adopted systemd, and it wasn't so quickly, it did take at least one release as a feature preview. |
| 22:55.40 | somiaj | !why systemd |
| 22:55.40 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) is still present in Debian 8. systemd-shim allows userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. See <jessie sysvinit> if you have to delay or wish to avoid using it. |
| 22:56.03 | `whoami` | somiaj: thanks, i'll read that |
| 22:56.31 | somiaj | for me I didn't notice much change, the debian specific tools work with both such as update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d |
| 22:56.35 | Azrael_- | ok, seems like "apt-get -f install" fixed it. thanks anyway |
| 22:57.10 | somiaj | the time thing, well time being in sync is important, so ntpd like clone was installed by default, no big deal. But yes, there is a lot of changes, depending on what you use and are use to. |
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| 22:57.51 | agio | somiaj: which do you prefer these days for scheduling tasks? cron or systemd timers? |
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| 22:58.13 | somiaj | agio: I don't schedule enough tasks to notice the difference. I just use cron beucase it is there and I'm use to it |
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| 23:00.50 | agio | is it possible to simply print - as a single command - all the cron jobs currently being run on the system? |
| 23:01.27 | somiaj | I don't know because they are scattered about in system crontab, /etc/cron.time directories, and user crontabs |
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| 23:02.29 | somiaj | I don't see such a tool, but a simple script could be made |
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| 23:04.31 | somiaj | just look at the output of cat /etc/crontab, /etc/cron.d/ and /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ for user crontabs, then look at the scripts in /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekyl,monthly}/ |
| 23:06.46 | somiaj | so i'm not seeing a premade script, but doesn't look like it would be that hard to write one |
| 23:07.57 | mac` | tail your syslog you'll see crontab -e |
| 23:08.32 | rant | so quite literally "cat /etc/crontab /etc/cron.d/* /var/spool/cron/crontabs/* /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly}/*" |
| 23:09.04 | rant | that wouldnt even need a script, an alias would work :P |
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| 23:12.00 | somiaj | though you might want to ls the /etc/cron.foo/ directoires, as the name of the script might be all you need over its full contents |
| 23:12.34 | somiaj | since often times crontrab is just calling a script, so the crontab will only give script names as well |
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| 23:14.35 | fasdfd | should swap partition be present in fstab? |
| 23:15.29 | rant | fasdfd: if you want it auto-mounted, sure |
| 23:15.44 | fasdfd | because I just switched disks and the old swap partition present in fstab is no more accessible, but still free -m reports that I have swap |
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| 23:17.20 | rant | fasdfd: check cat /proc/swaps maybe |
| 23:17.57 | fasdfd | its there /dev/sda2 partition38574040-1 |
| 23:18.08 | fasdfd | perhaps me using btrfs has tsomething to do with this |
| 23:18.44 | rant | did you hotswap the drives or someting? does lsblk show a /dev/sda2 ? |
| 23:19.08 | fasdfd | it does |
| 23:19.26 | somiaj | with systemd, you can also have mount units over fstab, but I think debian would use fstab by default in the installer. |
| 23:19.34 | somiaj | (systemd turns fstab entries into mount units) |
| 23:19.54 | fasdfd | I added the new disk to the btrfs pool, rebalanced, deleted the old disk, rebooted, fixed grub, rebooted a bunch of times |
| 23:20.18 | rant | fasdfd: does fdisk -l show /dev/sda2 is a swap partition ? :P |
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| 23:20.28 | fasdfd | yes |
| 23:20.48 | rant | is the fstab entry using /dev/sda2 and not a UUID or LABEL? |
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| 23:21.11 | fasdfd | this is the fstab entry UUID=d56e9b6f-f2f5-4dd2-b3a2-0c76eeee5e07 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 23:21.20 | rant | ah.. well then that is odd |
| 23:21.30 | rant | cause the UUID shouldnt be the same |
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| 23:21.53 | rant | fasdfd: blkid /dev/sda2 |
| 23:22.04 | fasdfd | the uuid is different on the new disk though |
| 23:22.25 | fasdfd | : /dev/sda2: UUID="cfa312d8-b1eb-4920-ad5f-88e036f637a6" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="22325470-d323-4376-9d40-35a974cf4b40" |
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| 23:22.57 | rant | yeah I got no explanation for that one.. but I dont know systemd all that well, and I suspect systemd |
| 23:23.16 | fasdfd | I think if you create a swap partition on ubuntu live usb ubuntu will automatically mount it, but I'm not sure how this would happen on debian server |
| 23:24.14 | rant | yeah I only understand the process we just went through :P |
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| 23:25.08 | k0leo | hi , how can i find a word from strings all files on a diroctry in 1 command ? |
| 23:25.22 | somiaj | use grep? |
| 23:25.29 | rant | k0leo: thats precisely what grep is for |
| 23:25.37 | k0leo | how |
| 23:25.40 | rant | k0leo: grep string * |
| 23:26.15 | k0leo | like i want to find word "example" in this dir |
| 23:26.27 | rant | grep "example" * |
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| 23:26.38 | mac` | egrep -nir 'bla' /dir |
| 23:26.38 | rant | the glob * will expand to all iles in CWD |
| 23:26.40 | somiaj | man grep for more info |
| 23:27.28 | k0leo | thanks |
| 23:28.04 | rant | k0leo: mac's suggestion will recurse into subdirs and show the line number where the match occured as well as do a case-insensitive search |
| 23:29.36 | rant | though egrep isn't needed (its just grep -e) and you're looking for a string not an expression |
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| 23:51.27 | agio | does anyone know what: /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily update does? |
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| 23:54.11 | somiaj | agio: it runs apt update, which just keeps your sources.list synced |
| 23:54.19 | somiaj | I mean your local cache |
| 23:55.01 | agio | really its a whole shell script which does files stamp comparisons? |
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| 23:56.46 | somiaj | sure, no need to run the update if it has been manually run, ti also can be ce configured via APT preferences, and allows all of that to affect how it runs, but in general my understanding is it mostly just runs apt update |
| 23:57.00 | somiaj | seems there is a backup level to |
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| 23:57.43 | somiaj | seems it will also autoclean, clean, and download packages that need to be upgraded, and call unattended upgrades if needed. |
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