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| 00:20.40 | strive | What are some possibilities as to why video playback lags on TV connected to laptop via HDMI? I've got radeon enabled with the kernel. |
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| 00:22.29 | strive | https://paste.debian.net/1031101/ |
| 00:22.39 | pfred1 | strive lack of nVidia |
| 00:23.27 | strive | ha ha ha. |
| 00:23.29 | strive | Funny. |
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| 00:28.50 | spacecase | trying to set up debian as an a2dp RECEIVER and can't for the life of me get it working. It will only show up on my android phone as a desktop computer with no profiles and then will not connect. any ideas? |
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| 00:42.28 | cannabis_sativa | spacecase: use "sdptool" -> To use your machine as an a2dp Bluetooth device, you must first configure it to register as an "a2dp sink" endpoint. there are several articles around concerning this. you need the package bluez (which is more than likely already installed) which contains the sdptool. 'which sdptool' then get to it. =) |
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| 00:47.50 | r3m | ,v weechat |
| 00:47.51 | judd | Package: weechat on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.3.8-1+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 0.4.3-2~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1; jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1.6-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6-1+deb9u2; sid: 1.9-1; sid: 1.9.1-1; buster: 2.1-2; sid: 2.1-2 |
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| 01:41.11 | buu | Alright |
| 01:41.23 | buu | How do I find /dev/nvme0np1 from grub |
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| 01:45.05 | nmschulte | buu device.map? |
| 01:45.27 | buu | nmschulte: tell me more |
| 01:45.44 | nmschulte | cat /boot/grub/device.map -- file is not req'd, tho |
| 01:45.46 | buu | nmschulte: I'm in the grub shell |
| 01:45.52 | nmschulte | idk the grub shell. :( |
| 01:45.57 | nmschulte | which ssd? |
| 01:46.00 | nmschulte | what else is in the sys? |
| 01:46.01 | buu | I have (hd0) and (fd0) |
| 01:46.06 | nmschulte | hd0, then |
| 01:46.23 | buu | that's my cf-flash disk with grub installed on it |
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| 01:49.30 | nmschulte | buu seems like your EFI setup doesn't present the SSD to grub. |
| 01:49.37 | nmschulte | (assuming EFI) |
| 01:49.44 | buu | I'm not sure this is efi |
| 01:49.49 | buu | This is part of what confuses me |
| 01:50.03 | nmschulte | either way, probs check the hardware settings/config |
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| 03:00.02 | war | IRC SERVER ====> /server -m irc.heckmann.top |
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| 03:02.18 | duffolonious | if I want to change a ./configure feature on a package, where/how do I do that? I'm using pbuilder |
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| 03:06.30 | ChmEarl | duffolonious, if you have the usual *.dsc, *delta,tar.xz, and tarball... dpkg-source -x <pkg>.dsc; then edit debian/rules |
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| 03:13.41 | duffolonious | ChmEarl: ahhhh, I see, thanks |
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| 04:50.44 | ardualabs | j #debian-offtopic |
| 04:50.53 | ardualabs | oh *poo* |
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| 05:26.39 | brimonk | Hi, I'm currently running version 3.22.3 of GNOME Shell, and I can't seem to find a setting anywhere to disable my laptop's trackpad. Does anyone have any ideas as to why? |
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| 05:51.59 | jim | brimonk, curious, what has you want to disable your trackpad? |
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| 05:53.10 | jim | I wonder if you could do it by generating an X config file (which should have the defaults and what's been autodetected) and see if the trackpad device is in there |
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| 08:06.34 | dunaeth | Hi, is it safe to use a debian installation media that failed during distcheck ? |
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| 08:16.40 | jelly | dunaeth: what is distcheck? |
| 08:17.31 | dunaeth | jelly: well it seems to run at the end of simple-cdd |
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| 08:18.18 | dunaeth | jelly: does not seem to be a binary itself, but probably a step in simple-cdd |
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| 08:20.57 | jelly | oh, making a custom d-i image |
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| 08:22.05 | dunaeth | jelly: affirmative |
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| 08:36.21 | dunaeth | jelly: it seems the command executed after d-i make is : /usr/bin/dose-debcheck --failures --explain /home/dunaeth/Documents/Distrib/tmp/cd-build/buster/CD1/dists/buster/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
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| 09:08.42 | jo-erlend | I have a small experiment that requires Linux >=4.16 and QEMU 2.12. Is that available in Debian Unstable yet? |
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| 09:14.34 | petn-randall | ,v qemu |
| 09:14.35 | judd | Package: qemu on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u25; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.8+dfsg-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u3; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u4; buster: |
| 09:14.36 | judd | 1:2.12+dfsg-3; sid: 1:2.12+dfsg-3 |
| 09:14.44 | petn-randall | jo-erlend: yes |
| 09:15.20 | petn-randall | jo-erlend: However, you can't just install the packages from unstable in stable, as that's not supported and won't work. |
| 09:15.54 | jo-erlend | petn-randall, no I thought I'd install it. I thought about using Arch, but I'd rather use Debian. |
| 09:16.13 | petn-randall | "it" being unstable as a whole? |
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| 09:16.28 | jo-erlend | petn-randall, yes. Any reason not to? |
| 09:16.43 | jelly | since it's an experiment, no |
| 09:17.48 | petn-randall | jo-erlend: It's fine for an experiment. I'd just not recommend Debian unstable for your first Debian experience, as it is quite bumpy for day-to-day use. |
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| 09:21.02 | jo-erlend | petn-randall, I'm used to Ubuntu and I'm only going to run a VM. Want to test Intels graphics virtualization stuff. |
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| 09:21.30 | petn-randall | jo-erlend: GVTg? |
| 09:21.40 | jo-erlend | petn-randall, right. |
| 09:21.52 | petn-randall | jo-erlend: Ah nice, let me know how it goes. I've wanted to try that, too. |
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| 09:26.26 | jo-erlend | petn-randall, I've been waiting a while to do it, because I've been on ARM. So I bought myself a new mobo, new CPU and new RAM to perform the experiment. Thought I might as well get myself a nice i7-8700. But then it turned out, Coffee Lake is the first version _not_ to be supported by GVTg, so I had to get the previous CPU family. That of course meant I needed to replace the mobo as well. But now, a lot of money and time later, I'm |
| 09:26.26 | jo-erlend | ready to finally give it a go. :) |
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| 09:41.42 | petn-randall | jo-erlend: Hmm, what is GVTg replaced with on coffee lake? |
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| 10:59.29 | Rovanion | Hi! I'm running an Debian VM on a QEMU host and have the root ext4 device mounted through the virtual block device /dev/vda1. I'm having issues where Debian remounts the root filesystem as read only when the underlying file system does a zfs scrub, I think. I now want to increase the timeout the kernel gives the device, but can't find where to do it. I can find two files named timeout under /sys, one leads to |
| 10:59.31 | Rovanion | a virtual DVD-drive and the other I have no idea: http://paste.debian.net/1031138/ . Is there some other way to configure this or should I just echo a number to /sys/block/vda/device/timeout and hope it sticks? |
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| 11:24.10 | jelly | Rovanion: does dmesg confirm the root cause of remount-ro is in fact block device timeout? |
| 11:25.58 | jo-erlend | petn-randall, It isn't replaced with anything. The plan, for some reason, is to stop supporting it after Kaby Lake and then re-add support for Ice Lake and no support in between. I don't know why. I speculate it might have something to do with their dedicated GPU thing. |
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| 11:26.18 | Rovanion | jelly: No, not explicitly. It is just a guess. The dmesg output I've got saved is: http://paste.debian.net/1031140/ |
| 11:26.38 | Rovanion | But based on google searches that seems to be a common cause. |
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| 11:41.53 | thnee | Guides say to `sudo echo "c myvpn" > /var/run/xl2tpd/l2tp-control` to start the ipsec tunnel. But when I do that I get it says permission denied. The perms for that file are prw------, whats wrong? |
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| 11:49.14 | thnee | Ah my bad, the sudo only applies to the echo there |
| 11:49.17 | jelly | thnee: do this instead: echo "c myvpn" | sudo tee -a /var/run/xl2tpd/l2tp-control; whoever wrote that guide does not know how shell works |
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| 12:01.07 | thnee | yeah, thanks |
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| 12:20.33 | petn-randall | jo-erlend: I see. Did you get it to work? If yes, were any special steps needed? |
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| 12:27.58 | medit | HELP |
| 12:28.19 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:28.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:38.58 | AdamDay88 | does anyone know an app that loads a dmarc report xml and makes it human readable? I used to use a site called the dmarcian that had a nice converter online, but they put it behind a paywall... |
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| 12:40.57 | rant | ,i rddmarc |
| 12:40.59 | judd | Package rddmarc (mail, extra) in stretch/amd64: Sample DMARC report processing scripts collection. Version: 1.3.2-2+deb9u1; Size: 21.6k; Installed: 37k; Homepage: http://www.trusteddomain.org/opendmarc |
| 12:41.07 | AdamDay88 | thanks |
| 12:41.34 | rant | yeah well I dont know what dmarc is, nor have I used that package |
| 12:41.39 | AdamDay88 | oh |
| 12:41.50 | rant | just sounds like it matches your question |
| 12:42.39 | AdamDay88 | dmarc reports are sent by mail servers to the postmasters of mail servers that send them mail. It shows things like, who is sending/forwarding mail to their server, and how many emails were accepted/bounced and for what reasons |
| 12:43.31 | rant | well were it me I'd spend 15 minutes hacking something together in python to output whatever format I wanted.. but chances are that package contains such scripts to start with an example at least |
| 12:43.32 | AdamDay88 | it's good for seeing if people are sending email in your name, or if a mail server is rejecting your mail ^_^ |
| 12:44.10 | rant | its not like reading/parsing XML is that difficult |
| 12:44.26 | AdamDay88 | not most ^_^ |
| 12:44.35 | rant | we're not talking about a PDF encoded in heiroglyphs or something |
| 12:44.38 | AdamDay88 | but dmarc reports are... complicated to say the least |
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| 12:44.42 | r3 | just don't install marcd by accident, as my mailserver now raps all incoming mail |
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| 12:45.30 | r3 | shows himself out |
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| 12:51.13 | AdamDay88 | ahh, nevermind I guess, the dmarcian took down their paywall ^_^ |
| 12:51.50 | AdamDay88 | https://us.dmarcian.com/xml-to-human-converter/ |
| 12:52.33 | rant | they're making humans out of xml? |
| 12:52.38 | AdamDay88 | YES |
| 12:52.40 | AdamDay88 | THIS |
| 12:53.04 | rant | hmm.. guess I should cancel that mail order bride then.. |
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| 12:53.13 | AdamDay88 | it's like the 80's movie Weird Science |
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| 12:55.29 | rant | I may as well code me some dependants too while I'm at it... for tax purposes of course :P |
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| 12:57.56 | rant | I'd have thought of clones first.. but I saw a movie once where that didnt turn out well |
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| 13:20.03 | willemb | Does the debian implimentation of bind9 still not support dlz? |
| 13:20.12 | willemb | from what I read in the changelog, it should |
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| 13:33.28 | eyurtcuoglu | hey channel |
| 13:33.36 | eyurtcuoglu | greetings |
| 13:34.38 | arora | hello |
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| 13:37.09 | eyurtcuoglu | salut arora |
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| 13:39.29 | darxmurf | t'auras pas trop de succès en français ici |
| 13:39.57 | azarus | salut n'est pas seulement français |
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| 13:40.48 | darxmurf | effectivement |
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| 13:42.23 | petn-randall | !fr |
| 13:42.23 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 13:44.01 | darxmurf | told you :D |
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| 13:50.39 | medit_ | Can anyone help me with dh_make? |
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| 13:54.25 | greycat | If you don't get an answer here, try #debian-mentors on OFTC. |
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| 13:57.31 | medit_ | Ok Thanks :D |
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| 14:10.19 | Aebian | how does one excute a command with scipted arguments ? So my goal is to run tmux new -s "session-name" /some/script.sh but the contents of script.sh should be inside the file where the tmux command will be run in. I will run many of these tmux commands btw |
| 14:12.00 | jelly | stupid solution: write a temporary file. |
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| 14:13.13 | irrep | I'm going to order a new computer and Debian shall be installed on the SSD. Does Debian support M.2 PCIe SSDs? |
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| 14:19.53 | irrep | I'm going to order a new computer and the Linux shall be installed on the SSD. Does Ubuntu support M.2 PCIe SSDs? |
| 14:19.56 | rant | irrep, yes |
| 14:20.18 | greycat | (why would you ask that in #debian?) |
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| 14:20.20 | irrep | rant: thanks! I guess it just needs to be installed via UEFI and not via legacy? |
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| 14:20.42 | rant | irrep ubuntu is not supported here |
| 14:20.51 | irrep | greycat: since I did not get an answer, I thought about asking that in the Ubuntu channel since both distributions are related. But then I sent it to the wrong channel :-) |
| 14:21.03 | rant | irrep i use legacy on mine |
| 14:21.33 | irrep | rant: Okay, then I guess the mainboard needs to support bootable PCIe drives, but that won't be a problem for a new one with a M.2 slot |
| 14:22.17 | rant | yeah i use a thin client and itll boot with or without uefi |
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| 14:22.25 | MarioBranco | Hi |
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| 14:23.19 | MarioBranco | anyone can help me with this package apt-offline plz ? |
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| 14:23.56 | rant | no you have to ask a valid question |
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| 14:24.06 | rant | !ask |
| 14:24.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:26.46 | MarioBranco | I have a problem with the package apt-offline, I'm running Kali-rolling. When i try to use the apt-offline, looks like the apt-offline is not install. But i can't find a way to install this package on my systeam |
| 14:27.01 | greycat | !kali |
| 14:27.01 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 14:27.29 | MarioBranco | dam, this channel is amazing |
| 14:27.33 | MarioBranco | thx for the help ! |
| 14:28.01 | ejsf | why does visudo not open vi? |
| 14:28.13 | azarus | ejsf: check EDITOR and VISUAL |
| 14:28.18 | azarus | (env variables) |
| 14:28.30 | ejsf | ok |
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| 14:30.02 | greycat | on Debian if you didn't set EDITOR or VISUAL, it falls back to "editor", which is configured through dpkg's alternatives system |
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| 14:30.39 | ejsf | i found it :) with update-alternatives --config editor it can be changed |
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| 14:30.47 | ejsf | ty azarus greycat |
| 14:31.00 | greycat | that's just the system-wide fallback for users who don't set EDITOR |
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| 14:31.32 | greycat | or if you're using sudo and it strips out your environment, or similar unfortunate circumstances |
| 14:31.40 | ejsf | ah ok so editor in users rc will be used before that |
| 14:32.11 | greycat | It has to survive into the actual environment as seen by visudo. |
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| 14:33.24 | greycat | If you login on the console and have "export EDITOR=vim" in your .profile then it gets set in your shell environment. Then if you use "su" (NO MINUS) and then "visudo", everything works as expected. But if you use "sudo visudo", sudo may strip out your environment variables, and that might NOT work as expected. |
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| 14:36.21 | ejsf | great info thanks :) |
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| 14:56.50 | ctcx | I set a cronjob for a daily reboot at a certain hour, which looks like this: "00 02 * * * /sbin/reboot" |
| 14:56.59 | ctcx | But this seems to not be working |
| 14:57.09 | greycat | Where did you set this? In /etc/crontab or in "crontab -e"? |
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| 14:57.39 | ctcx | greycat: in crontab -e |
| 14:57.41 | greycat | Also 02:00 does not exist exactly once every day. Twice a year, you get daylight saving interference. |
| 14:58.08 | greycat | Probably not an issue *today*, but you never schedule cron jobs that you care about between 02:00 and 03:00 |
| 14:58.09 | jelly | in timezones that have DSN |
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| 14:58.49 | greycat | Anyway, that syntax looks correct for crontab -e, so check the logs to see what happened. |
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| 14:59.27 | ctcx | greycat: I set it as the root user since it's sbin, and I have absolutely no cron logs. I just checked in /var/log |
| 14:59.36 | ctcx | Also in /var/spool/mail/root |
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| 14:59.59 | greycat | You should have received an email in root's inbox or whrever you aliased root's inbox to, and there should be logs in /var/log/syslog and in journalctl -u cron |
| 15:00.13 | ctcx | Let me check |
| 15:00.46 | ctcx | brb |
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| 15:01.14 | themill | (not everyone starts DST at 02:00 too) |
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| 15:01.51 | greycat | Adjust for your local political hellscape. |
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| 15:29.01 | YADW | Hello, I'm setting up a debian system on quite a very peculiar hardware. It's a very old version too, and it's not supported anymore, but I hope someone with a good load of time to waste will give me a hand. |
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| 15:29.15 | jelly | #define peculiar |
| 15:29.39 | dgp | m68k? |
| 15:29.54 | BanHammor | i386? |
| 15:30.59 | YADW | <massive laughter in 3...2...1..> A Nintendo Wii console. Yep. PowerPC processor, in case you're wondering. No, it's not about reverse engineering. |
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| 15:32.20 | greycat | !ppc |
| 15:32.20 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:33.02 | BanHammor | well, you sure picked an unfortunate machine. Is it just curiosity/ |
| 15:33.22 | jelly | looks at the font of information that is https://wiki.debian.org/VideoGameConsole/Nintendo/Wii |
| 15:33.31 | YADW | A crazy attempt to turn it into a media center, in fact. |
| 15:33.54 | greycat | Wow, 3 entire sentences. |
| 15:34.02 | dgp | YADW: why not buy a quad core 64 bit arm thing off of <insert dodgy chinese vendor/trading platform here> instead? |
| 15:34.39 | BanHammor | i respect your dedication, but yes, you can probably pawn off your Wii and buy a droidstick instead :P |
| 15:34.47 | greycat | Yeah, I think most of the market for "I want to install Debian on this weird small thing" has moved to ARM devices. |
| 15:34.49 | dgp | It looks like the wii only ever booted a super old kernel and PPC is one of those archs where you'll be lucky to get anything working properly |
| 15:35.01 | YADW | dgp You see where I inserted the word "crazy", right there? Yep, that's the reason why LOL |
| 15:35.22 | dgp | YADW: it'll be no good for a media centre even if you can sort of make it work |
| 15:36.41 | dgp | if you want to do something crazy boot up linux on an mc68000, notice how nothing works and everything crashes because there's no memory protection and then forget it ever happened |
| 15:36.49 | jelly | twii isn't that old, it might have h264 acceleration somewhere in there |
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| 15:37.09 | YADW | I know, but I'd just like to see X11 working, just because of all the effort I put into this so far... |
| 15:37.41 | BanHammor | we -might- be able to help, but there's just so many arch-specific bugs |
| 15:37.56 | jelly | if you have a fb console running you should be able to get X with fbdev backend running |
| 15:38.34 | jelly | probably better chance of answers in a ppc channel |
| 15:38.51 | YADW | The thing is I can't properly configure X because I don't know the name of the monitor output |
| 15:39.16 | BanHammor | what's the error you're getting? |
| 15:39.19 | jelly | and X -configure :1 ? |
| 15:39.47 | jelly | (command line probably wrong, I don't remember the details) |
| 15:39.50 | YADW | BanHammor Could not get primary PCI info |
| 15:40.01 | YADW | jelly I'll look into that |
| 15:40.33 | jelly | just have a template xorg.conf in place, tell it to use driver fbdev and hope for the best |
| 15:40.50 | jelly | that probably should not care about scanning the PCI bus |
| 15:41.06 | YADW | I can try that too. lspci is not working, btw. |
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| 15:41.16 | jelly | maybe there IS no pci bus. |
| 15:41.35 | jelly | maybe cat /proc/pci, depending on kernel age |
| 15:41.43 | YADW | jelly I didn't even consider that, haha |
| 15:42.04 | ctcx | greycat: my bad, I did have error logs; I had a mistype in the cron sentence. Thanks for all. |
| 15:42.28 | YADW | jelly nope. no such file. |
| 15:42.41 | greycat | ctcx: that's why you paste the code (or in this case the crontab -e line) here instead of typing what you think it says |
| 15:42.42 | ctcx | Still, you're right, I'll better change the hour. |
| 15:42.49 | YADW | I guess I'm on linux 2.6 |
| 15:43.09 | ctcx | greycat: yes, I'm sorry. |
| 15:43.13 | ctcx | Already got it. |
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| 16:09.59 | Thasan | hi. Where debian 9.4 saves smartd configs? I get "unable to open device" warnings to mail all the time from disk that dosen't even exists anymore |
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| 16:32.10 | areyouloco | Thasan: maybe you have it in /etc/fstab check |
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| 16:56.43 | mac` | good day, i am having issues installing php-horde-webmail https://pastebin.com/WUdE4de3 |
| 16:57.01 | mac` | there is no such a file in tmp dir /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-vg1MUp/18-php-horde-webmail_5.2.17-1_all.deb <--- |
| 16:58.21 | greycat | 1) How are there STILL no bugs at http://bugs.debian.org/php-horde-webmail |
| 16:58.41 | greycat | 2) Wait, this is a DIFFERENT bug than the one from the other day where two packages have the same file and one depends on the other? |
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| 16:59.30 | mac` | same dkpg is giving a issue |
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| 17:00.10 | hypn0 | you read https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-debian-horde-webmail |
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| 17:01.05 | mac` | i can manually config the horde-webmail but i need to install from the apt |
| 17:01.22 | greycat | So you just ignore everything you are told? |
| 17:02.03 | greycat | oh, that blog page is from 2015 and probably doesn't work around the bug that you for some reason still have not reported. |
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| 17:02.43 | greycat | Report the bug so it can be fixed, and meanwhile, work around it with dpkg --force-overwrite |
| 17:02.43 | hypn0 | you installed php5-sqlite too? |
| 17:02.48 | hypercore_ | is it possible to install docker-compose using a apt |
| 17:02.49 | mac` | oh wow i found the issue, broken pkg was giving a issue |
| 17:02.52 | hypercore_ | ? |
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| 17:06.29 | hypn0 | https://docs.docker.com/compose/install/#prerequisites hypercore_? looks like you download it |
| 17:08.27 | hypercore_ | hypn0: so don't use the deb repo? |
| 17:08.39 | hypercore_ | (i think it's pretty out of date, but is there no updated repo i could use?) |
| 17:09.12 | hypn0 | click the linux link hypercore_ |
| 17:09.43 | hypn0 | after install compose |
| 17:09.58 | hypercore_ | hypn0: ive seen it, but i was just wondering if there was a cleaner way than downloading it from github |
| 17:12.22 | hypn0 | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/admin/docker-compose there is one in stretch hypercore_ |
| 17:13.41 | hypn0 | source it looks like |
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| 17:14.17 | hypn0 | yep it should be there |
| 17:14.39 | hypn0 | http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/docker-compose/docker-compose_1.8.0-2_all.deb |
| 17:15.23 | greycat | ,v docker-compose |
| 17:15.24 | judd | Package: docker-compose on amd64 -- stretch: 1.8.0-2; buster: 1.17.1-2; sid: 1.17.1-2; experimental: 1.21.0-1 |
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| 17:16.25 | hypn0 | depends if you want newer stuff or not I guess |
| 17:17.24 | rant | kali is N |
| 17:17.55 | rant | sorry about that fat fingered the keyboard on phone |
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| 17:55.27 | josj | hi, i have a hard time finding mail logs for Evolution, nothing seems to show up in /var/log/... although I can send/receive mail ? |
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| 17:57.39 | ido370nl | josj: start evolution with CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution >& ~/evo_debug.log |
| 17:57.44 | josj | sent messages seem to sometimes not show up in the 'sent' folder .. |
| 17:58.07 | josj | ido370nl okay i try |
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| 18:05.33 | josj | ido370nl not sure what to look for |
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| 18:06.09 | mint | Hi there |
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| 18:06.47 | mint | I'm trying to use debian netboot installer against a ftp mirror in a local net. There is no DNS server installed. |
| 18:07.26 | mint | So d-i gives an error saying mirros hostname and directory are fake |
| 18:07.58 | mint | even hostname is a IP address like 192.168.0.11 |
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| 18:09.04 | ido370nl | josj, never used it myself, but there's no times listed so you can check what happens with a sent message? |
| 18:09.05 | mint | Even at d-i I set at netcfg section get_nameservers="" (I mean, leave it as empty string), it debian installer keeps giving the same error |
| 18:09.31 | mint | Any suggest to solve it? |
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| 18:09.43 | OnceMe | my phone said "install software on pc" and I clicked on it, while my phone was attached via cable (mtp) to my linux, is it possible that silent mode went on my linux box and installed some shady software? o dialog for install, no password prompr etc was asked from me |
| 18:09.44 | josj | ido370nl, i'll try if it appends something |
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| 18:11.01 | hypercore | guys is this package recommend way of installing docker-compose? https://packages.debian.org/sid/docker-compose |
| 18:11.13 | hypercore | can i just sudo apt-get install docker-compose it? |
| 18:11.22 | greycat | It says "sid", so no. Sid is never recommended. |
| 18:11.32 | hypercore | ok thanks |
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| 18:11.45 | hypercore | in that case, how can i install this on debian using ansible? |
| 18:11.48 | greycat | If you simply install docker-compose you will get the version that is right for your Debian release. |
| 18:12.01 | greycat | ,v docker-compose |
| 18:12.02 | judd | Package: docker-compose on amd64 -- stretch: 1.8.0-2; buster: 1.17.1-2; sid: 1.17.1-2; experimental: 1.21.0-1 |
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| 18:13.27 | josj | ido370nl, not clear, it might be a debugging chatter, it certainly is not a clean mail log or other log, and i cannot find anything that resembles previous e-mails sent |
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| 18:18.52 | josj | oh the good old days without GUI, when programs where reliable ... |
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| 18:25.10 | jelly | mint: what's the actual error message after setting up your mirror? Is there a reason you're using ftp:// and not http:// ? |
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| 18:27.15 | mint | jelly: it's a local network, which has no access to internet. Other machine, like laptops are able to use mirror server to download and install DEB packages. |
| 18:27.18 | jelly | mint: hostname should not be an ip. |
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| 18:27.53 | mint | but in this case, there are some computer which must be instaled via PXE netboot in an automated way against that mirror |
| 18:28.10 | jelly | mint: yes, you said it was a local network. did you try with a http-based mirror? |
| 18:28.46 | mint | jelly: for now, it's forbidden to have a http server |
| 18:29.11 | mint | jelly: but at apt/sources.list you can set deb source as an IP address |
| 18:29.23 | jelly | is anything it should be forbidden to use ftp in 2018, but okay |
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| 18:29.45 | mint | that's are project requirements |
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| 18:30.49 | jelly | are you able to paste or screenshot actual errors, and d-i log (it's on... Alt-F3 I think?) |
| 18:31.21 | mint | jelly: I tried to use NFS mount point, but unfortunately not netboot not CD d-i had support to use nfs along installation process |
| 18:32.02 | mint | NRigh now, I'm at home. I can post error msg tommorow morning |
| 18:33.26 | jelly | I don't know of any immediate reason why an ipv4 mirror declaration would fail |
| 18:33.45 | mint | but first msg was something close to: mirror does not support the specified release (stretch) |
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| 18:34.20 | mint | once DEBUG is activated at level 5, it says something like hostname seems to be fake |
| 18:34.27 | mint | and the same for directory |
| 18:34.41 | jelly | did you use ftpsync to create that mirror or something else |
| 18:34.49 | mint | those errors happen at choose-mirror stage |
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| 18:35.07 | mint | yep |
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| 18:35.32 | jelly | so it probably doesn't have completely broken file tree structure |
| 18:35.38 | mint | jelly: well with some debian tools |
| 18:35.52 | jelly | which tools precisely? |
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| 18:36.24 | jelly | and what's the exact mirror url you provided |
| 18:36.27 | mint | even I create an dir with mount Debian DVD iso and offer it via Ftp, it gives the same error |
| 18:36.43 | jelly | best continue when you have access to that setup |
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| 18:36.50 | mint | I think I did it with apt-ftp apt-move, ... |
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| 18:37.09 | jelly | I don't know if any of those create a sane mirror |
| 18:37.16 | mint | ok, I will connect to this channel tomorrow. |
| 18:37.30 | jelly | I do know the recommended tool for mirroring, ftpsync, docs |
| 18:37.32 | jelly | does* |
| 18:37.36 | jelly | !ftpsync |
| 18:37.36 | dpkg | ftpsync is a non-packaged scriptset for creating a Debian archive mirror. https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror . See also <mirrors>. |
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| 18:38.17 | mint | jelly: Mmmmm... I'll tell you tommorrow which tools have been used |
| 18:38.28 | mint | lot of thanks jelly |
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| 18:42.26 | josj | nvm solved: (apt-get install thunderbird, sent folder works) |
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| 18:43.56 | greycat | wonders what kind of sick, twisted Orwellian dystopian horror world would force someone to set up an isolated network and only use FTP on it |
| 18:45.20 | jelly | networking people, used to having only tftp and ftp because that's what their legacy hw supports |
| 18:45.33 | mint | greycat: that's project requirement |
| 18:45.42 | jelly | it's a stupid requirement |
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| 18:46.01 | greycat | Is the purpose of the project to force you to quit? |
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| 18:46.24 | jelly | http is so much saner for read-only file access |
| 18:47.18 | mint | yep... greycat: nope... just trying new ways to install. |
| 18:47.33 | greycat | There is nothing "new" about this. |
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| 18:48.50 | mint | In Mint/Ubuntu world installers are able to use NFS. But Debian does not let NFS on installation, so my first try was to modify debian installer to add NFS module to kernel at initrd |
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| 18:49.19 | mint | But Boss told me not to waste time, and to to do that with Ftp |
| 18:50.24 | Akuw | hi, my debian 9 is hanging a lot, i tst using windows and no problem |
| 18:51.26 | Akuw | how can i check in log |
| 18:51.31 | Akuw | ? |
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| 18:52.54 | Tom-_ | you can check in /var/log |
| 18:53.03 | Akuw | yes, but what exactly |
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| 18:53.15 | Tom-_ | not sure, not used to the case of Debian crashing :) |
| 18:53.40 | Tom-_ | can you run ctrl+alt+f1 when it's hanging to see if the system is still alive? |
| 18:53.51 | Tom-_ | or the magic sysrq key? |
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| 18:55.27 | jelly | Akuw: or ping and ssh into the machine from a second machine in the same network |
| 18:55.50 | Akuw | jelly: for? |
| 18:56.36 | Akuw | could be this---> lvm2-lvmetad.socket: Cannot add dependency job, ignoring: Unit lvm2-lvmetad.socket is masked. |
| 18:56.47 | jelly | Akuw: to get more information about the state of the system and be able to debug the issue further |
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| 18:56.59 | Akuw | is repeated a lot of times at 11 am when my laptop hang |
| 18:56.59 | jelly | Akuw: that is not a hanging offense |
| 18:58.06 | jelly | Akuw: that probably happened right after reboot, not before hang |
| 18:58.20 | jelly | confirm with timestamps |
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| 19:30.04 | kingsley_ | Stack trace art is at |
| 19:32.27 | kingsley_ | https://github.com/ironcev/stack-trace-art |
| 19:32.48 | kingsley_ | It's the art of throwing exceptions that create beautiful drawings on callers' stack traces. |
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| 19:44.42 | poprocks | Ha. I have been looking for a solution to fix 3d rendering being broken on VirtualBox with a Debian 9 guest (affects other distros too) - I found a forum thread marked "SOLVED" - th solution? Install VMWare xD |
| 19:45.52 | jelly | now do it with kvm! |
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| 19:46.02 | greycat | !vbox guest |
| 19:46.02 | dpkg | For Debian VMs (guests) under VirtualBox, install the virtualbox-guest-utils package (from <stretch-backports>) inside the guest to provide Guest Additions; Linux kernel modules are built automatically by <dkms>. For MS Windows guests, install the virtualbox-guest-additions-iso package on the host (see <non-free sources>) and see https://virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html for installation instructions. |
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| 19:47.23 | annadane | or be like the OpenBSD project and just have one computer lying around in your house for every architecture |
| 19:47.34 | annadane | no virtualization required |
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| 19:47.54 | poprocks | Yeah, I did that. I also tried blowing away the DKMS package (which mismatches the version of VB running on the host; 5.2.10 vs 5.2.12) and building from the ISO script that comes with VB. Same issue both times 'round. Funny thing is, I could have *sworn* it was working before. |
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| 19:50.48 | reckneck | redneck |
| 19:50.56 | reckneck | in the house |
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| 19:53.07 | Guest19191 | How do I get a new name and password on this?? |
| 19:53.18 | greycat | /msg nickserv help |
| 19:53.28 | greycat | Also see your IRC client docs for commands like /nick. |
| 19:53.31 | Guest19191 | thanks |
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| 19:57.26 | Jack__ | hi |
| 19:58.17 | Jack__ | how can i autodetect if i can use prprietary driver ? |
| 19:58.34 | hicks | virtual rms will chastise you :) |
| 19:58.50 | hicks | which is probably not the kind of detect you're after :P |
| 19:59.11 | hicks | I'm not sure debian has an auto detection? what gfx card do you have? |
| 19:59.27 | greycat | Is he even *asking* about graphics? |
| 19:59.35 | hicks | good point. |
| 19:59.36 | greycat | Could've meant wifi or something. |
| 19:59.38 | Jack__ | what is chastise ? |
| 19:59.53 | greycat | An English word. Scold, reprimand. |
| 20:00.00 | hicks | that was me making a joke thinking you were asking about something slightly different to what I realised you were :) |
| 20:00.40 | Jack__ | I installed nvidia drivers, but idk if i could use other nonfree drivers, like intel chipset or others |
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| 20:01.29 | hicks | do you know what card you have? lspci should show up what you have available |
| 20:01.37 | greycat | Jack__: what graphics device(s) do you have? If you don't know, paste the output of "lspci -nn" onto http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 20:02.41 | greycat | If the actual question really is "Can Debian do all this work for me, figuring out what GPUs I have and editing sources.list and installing firmware and drivers and ..." the answer is "No." |
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| 20:02.51 | reckneck_ | dneck |
| 20:02.56 | Jack__ | I have an intel chipset |
| 20:03.07 | greycat | Then the nvidia driver isn't doing much. |
| 20:03.49 | Jack__ | I have an intel chipset and i dont know if i can use proprietary drivers |
| 20:04.01 | greycat | paste the output of "lspci -nn" onto paste.debian.net |
| 20:04.20 | Jack__ | but there must be an autodetect ! |
| 20:04.27 | greycat | If the actual question really is "Can Debian do all this work for me, figuring out what GPUs I have and editing sources.list and installing firmware and drivers and ..." the answer is "No." |
| 20:04.51 | greycat | Not for all devices. Only for a tiny subset. |
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| 20:05.46 | annadane | if you use nvidia there's nvidia-detect and that'll tell you what you need, no idea about intel |
| 20:06.12 | annadane | that's if you actually need/want the proprietary drivers, you probably don't |
| 20:06.14 | greycat | Why you would have installed the nvidia driver if you KNOW you have an intel GPU is beyond me. |
| 20:06.22 | Jack__ | Suppose I want to instal deban on many unknown PCs |
| 20:06.33 | greycat | Then you repeat this process one machine at a time. |
| 20:06.44 | annadane | yes greycat i'm saying that i don't know what the intel equivalent is |
| 20:06.54 | greycat | You identify which GPU(s) are present and figure out which drivers to use for each machine. One at a time. By hand. |
| 20:07.29 | greycat | If you don't like that, don't pull random computers out of the garbage. Buy 20 of the same machine in bulk. |
| 20:08.02 | Jack__ | its easy for the graphic card, but there are chipsets , wifi card, network... |
| 20:08.10 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:09.09 | Jack__ | With mint and ubuntu was easy, but i cant keep using em |
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| 20:10.24 | Jack__ | where is the bot ? |
| 20:10.33 | greycat | The PRIMARY reason Debian does not automatically detect the circus freak show of PC hardware and install drivers and firmware for all of it is because Debian's primary purpose is to promote FREE SOFTWARE, and non-free drivers are not and will never be part of the Debian base system. |
| 20:11.08 | Jack__ | yeah |
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| 20:11.09 | greycat | If YOUR PRIMARY GOAL is to pull random computers out of dumpsters and put them into service, then Debian may not be the best choice for you. |
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| 20:11.32 | Jack__ | new question!!! |
| 20:12.15 | [Rancor] | the purpose is generic |
| 20:12.22 | Jack__ | How can I instal firefox , instead of firefox lst or something that is version 52 |
| 20:12.26 | Jack__ | ??? |
| 20:12.39 | greycat | Debian stable uses firefox-esr which is currently at version |
| 20:12.42 | greycat | ,v firefox-esr |
| 20:12.43 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.8.1esr-2; sid: 52.9.0esr-1; experimental: 60.1.0esr-1 |
| 20:12.48 | greycat | 52.8 |
| 20:12.52 | Jack__ | yea |
| 20:12.55 | greycat | Yeah. |
| 20:12.55 | annadane | Jack__, wiki.debian.org/Firefox |
| 20:13.16 | Jack__ | how can i install normal firefox ? |
| 20:13.24 | greycat | If BLEEDING EDGE SOFTWARE is an important goal for you, then Debian may not be the right choice for you. |
| 20:13.26 | annadane | ^ see the link |
| 20:13.54 | annadane | basically go to mozilla's site, download the tar, unpack it in its own directory or system-wide in /opt |
| 20:13.58 | greycat | If reading wiki pages and other offered information is difficult for you, then again, Debian may not be the right choice for you. |
| 20:14.11 | Iridos | there, there… |
| 20:14.20 | Jack__ | greycat you should stop advise people to not use debian |
| 20:14.47 | [Rancor] | RTGM!!! ppl wrote them for ya! |
| 20:14.49 | greycat | I am advising you to use what is BEST FOR YOU, which may be something other than Debian, because I am actually trying to HELP YOU, not promote an agenda of my own. |
| 20:15.15 | [Rancor] | RTGM=Read The Great Manual! |
| 20:15.58 | [Rancor] | Mitigate problems encountered... and everything gonna be okay |
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| 20:16.12 | poprocks | <music note>Wake me up when Septemer ends....</music note> |
| 20:16.53 | annadane | Jack__, sorry for not following, but why do you want the proprietary drivers? you may not even need them |
| 20:16.59 | annadane | it's less work |
| 20:17.21 | greycat | He wants to not have to do any manual work regarding drivers AT ALL. He wants Debian to do everything for him. |
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| 20:17.31 | greycat | (It will not.) |
| 20:17.34 | jelly | that will sadly never happen |
| 20:18.04 | [Rancor] | Gnu/linux and the mitigation games! |
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| 20:18.18 | greycat | And he never pasted his lspci, because he doesn't actually have that kind of problem. He is some kind of meta-troll. |
| 20:18.29 | annadane | the nice thing about free versions of drivers and such is when they break it's easier to diagnose |
| 20:18.38 | annadane | so if you need proprietary software, fine. if you don't... |
| 20:18.39 | jelly | Jack__: if you can find a specific hw platform we can help with issues that arise on that machine |
| 20:19.14 | jelly | Jack__: but unless you carefully choose hw that works with free drivers only, Debian won't work out of the box. |
| 20:19.48 | annadane | there are non-free firmware installer images, which is the closest you'll get to default proprietary software in debian |
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| 20:20.08 | annadane | you can obviously add contrib non-free to your sources.list later and install what you want |
| 20:20.24 | jelly | none of that is automatic for the people |
| 20:20.36 | hicks | I've got a network bridge setup and find when I resume the pc from sleep, networking wont' work unless I "systemctl restart networking". Is there an easy place to stick that to automatically happen after a resume? |
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| 20:20.59 | [Rancor] | To have a decent experience with Gnu/linux you must use an old computer... 2000-2010 computer episodes are okay |
| 20:21.20 | greycat | If it's from 2000 the video chipset probably isn't supported any more. |
| 20:21.25 | annadane | eh... not that old |
| 20:21.32 | [Rancor] | :D |
| 20:21.33 | annadane | most modern computers are fine |
| 20:21.39 | [Rancor] | I went too far I agree |
| 20:21.49 | jelly | [Rancor]: that's crap, but my rule of thumb is to avoid latest gen |
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| 20:22.03 | greycat | The Intel skylake boxes work really well if you add contrib non-free and the intel microcode & firmware. As long as you don't need 3d gaming or similar. |
| 20:22.07 | jelly | debian is worse than other distros in this regard |
| 20:22.30 | jelly | greycat: eh, portal works on my haswell. |
| 20:22.34 | [Rancor] | annadane: they works but new chipset are problematic... cuz they new... |
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| 20:22.49 | Jack__ | that wiki is a bit crazy |
| 20:23.10 | Jack__ | I must be able to instal firefox with a click |
| 20:23.17 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:23.20 | Jack__ | not even a double click |
| 20:23.23 | greycat | Fucking trolls. |
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| 20:23.40 | Jack__ | im serious |
| 20:24.47 | annadane | Jack__, in debian stable, for firefox, there is only firefox-esr |
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| 20:25.03 | annadane | just go to mozilla's site and put it in its own directory, as it says in the debian wiki |
| 20:25.23 | greycat | If BLEEDING EDGE SOFTWARE is an important goal for you, then Debian may not be the right choice for you. |
| 20:25.46 | greycat | non-ESR firefox counts as bleeding edge software as far as Debian is concerned |
| 20:26.07 | jelly | Jack__: it's not one click, but unpacking mozilla's tarball works and its own auto-updates work as long as you run it as the same user that unpacked it |
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| 20:26.31 | pingfloyd | Jack__: just download the tarball from mozilla upstream and extract it to /opt |
| 20:26.52 | hicks | if anyone else needs it, answer was script in /lib/systemd/system-sleep/ |
| 20:26.59 | [Rancor] | /usr/local is more suitable i guess |
| 20:27.05 | greycat | If unpacking a tarball in a directory is a challenge for you, then Debian may not be the right choice for you. |
| 20:27.07 | jelly | it's not "bleeding edge", but what Mozilla considers the best version for normal users |
| 20:27.17 | greycat | *snort* |
| 20:27.33 | [Rancor] | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.48 | pingfloyd | the thing I've notice in the last couple of version of firefox is that they have the files in the tarball with ownership 500:500 |
| 20:27.50 | annadane | to be fair, everyone has different levels of knowledge |
| 20:27.57 | pingfloyd | chown -R fixes that though |
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| 20:28.00 | jelly | greycat: there are users with all sorts of knowledge level |
| 20:28.12 | annadane | i generally agree with your rants but i think that's a bit unfair |
| 20:28.13 | greycat | And if your level of knowledge is super low, Debian may not be the right choice for you. No judgment. |
| 20:28.19 | pingfloyd | I think the devs spaced out with their tarball package |
| 20:28.20 | hicks | knowledge level isn't an issue, willingness to learn or try, maybe |
| 20:28.28 | [Rancor] | pingfloyd: it's evil |
| 20:28.35 | bites | anouther way would be installing snapd and getting firefox from the snap store, which mozilla published to. gets updates too. |
| 20:28.41 | pingfloyd | [Rancor]: what is? |
| 20:28.45 | jelly | ,v snapd |
| 20:28.47 | judd | Package: snapd on amd64 -- stretch: 2.21-2+b1; buster: 2.30-5+b1; sid: 2.30-5+b1 |
| 20:28.55 | [Rancor] | pingfloyd: mozilla |
| 20:29.08 | pingfloyd | [Rancor]: since when? |
| 20:29.20 | pingfloyd | let me guess, you think google is benevolent |
| 20:29.24 | [Rancor] | pingfloyd: no idea beggingin maybe... |
| 20:29.38 | jelly | [Rancor]: keep comments in here to technically relevant if there's actual support going on, please |
| 20:30.37 | medit | Anyone Help me with what the "buster" mean? |
| 20:30.43 | greycat | OK, granted, a user with currently very little knowledge, but who is willing to learn, may be fine with Debian. But a user who writes, and I quote, "I must be able to instal firefox with a click", Debian is not the right choice. I stand by that. |
| 20:30.45 | jelly | !buster |
| 20:30.45 | dpkg | The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
| 20:30.53 | annadane | buster is the codename for the next version of debian |
| 20:30.54 | [Rancor] | pingfloyd: if you do look the correct way you gonna see that many fork poped for different reasons |
| 20:30.57 | annadane | due to be released sometime next year |
| 20:31.00 | pingfloyd | let me put it this way. I trust mozilla more than google who is in the business of violating user privacy |
| 20:31.04 | annadane | the current "debian testing" |
| 20:31.30 | annadane | tar is a well known convention, i don't see the issue? |
| 20:31.35 | annadane | whatever |
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| 20:31.37 | annadane | #debian-offtopic |
| 20:32.21 | medit | Thank you! |
| 20:32.54 | [Rancor] | free software is first user freedom! |
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| 20:33.38 | pingfloyd | [Rancor]: what? |
| 20:33.53 | jelly | [Rancor], pingfloyd: please stick to tech support in here, last call |
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| 20:34.22 | [Rancor] | hell, I smell gazoil or what |
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| 20:35.14 | [Rancor] | set meh state |
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| 20:36.35 | baconicsynergy | hello friends :) |
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| 20:37.36 | [Rancor] | love ya name dude :D |
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| 20:38.08 | poprocks | hey there baconicsynergy |
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| 20:38.23 | baconicsynergy | I have a question about dpkg. I have two different sources that say 'dpkg -s' and 'dpkg -p' perform the same thing, but this is obviously not the case. 'dpkg -s cowsay' works, but 'dpkg -p cowsay' says package is not available. any ideas? |
| 20:38.29 | baconicsynergy | :))) |
| 20:38.49 | greycat | "man dpkg |
| 20:38.51 | greycat | " |
| 20:39.45 | greycat | -p is a bit hard to find because it's buried down near the end, but be persistent |
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| 20:39.59 | baconicsynergy | hmm interesting |
| 20:40.36 | annadane | one plus of man pages, you get used to speed reading |
| 20:40.45 | annadane | easy to find all the options and stuff |
| 20:41.56 | baconicsynergy | I do love my man pages :p |
| 20:42.26 | baconicsynergy | So, I grepped through /var/lib/dpkg/available and didn't find cowsay. A bunch of other packages are listed, however! Very interesting. |
| 20:42.38 | greycat | ,v cowsay |
| 20:42.39 | judd | Package: cowsay on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.03+dfsg1-4; jessie: 3.03+dfsg1-10; stretch: 3.03+dfsg2-3; buster: 3.03+dfsg2-4; sid: 3.03+dfsg2-4 |
| 20:42.42 | jelly | !available |
| 20:42.42 | dpkg | If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update". |
| 20:42.59 | greycat | It should definitely be there. |
| 20:43.24 | greycat | The other way it might not be there, besides file corruption, would be if you have been mucking around with sources.list. |
| 20:44.09 | baconicsynergy | Very cool! I'm running Trisquel, so I'm sure there's something fishy doing on with my distro |
| 20:44.16 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:44.20 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 20:44.20 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 20:44.50 | jim | hi... does openssh-server by default deny root logins? |
| 20:44.58 | greycat | On stretch, I think it does. |
| 20:45.20 | greycat | Yes, I'm sure of it. On a new stretch install, if you want root ssh you have to change the config yourself. |
| 20:45.29 | baconicsynergy | Je vois. Thanks for the note |
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| 20:46.32 | jim | greycat, thanks for the response |
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| 20:47.26 | greycat | On machines upgraded from older releases, the default may have been different. |
| 20:47.41 | Jack__ | I'd like a notepadqq packet in debian |
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| 20:47.43 | Jack__ | . |
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| 20:48.50 | stryg | Hi folks! I'd like to upgrade my debian squeeze (6) to debian stretch. What is the best solution to do that? |
| 20:48.58 | annadane | go through wheezy and jessie first |
| 20:49.27 | greycat | You have two choices; go step by step (wheezy, jessie, stretch) or do a clean re-install of stretch. |
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| 20:49.31 | annadane | ought to be able to (please correct me if i'm wrong) replace squeeze in your sources.list with wheezy, apt update, apt dist-upgrade, do the same with jessie and then with stretch |
| 20:49.35 | poprocks | baconicsynergy: is cowsay a package you don't have but want info on? Or do you already have it installed, and you want to find out about your installed version. |
| 20:49.37 | annadane | clean reinstall may be easier, yes |
| 20:49.49 | hypercore | if i have a number of environment variables i want to set, what's the best way of doing it? |
| 20:49.58 | greycat | Which was is easier/better totally depends on what's on the box already and how hard it will be to recreate it. |
| 20:50.10 | stryg | annadane: ok thanks |
| 20:50.19 | greycat | hypercore: do you mean for your login sessions? Depends on how you login. |
| 20:50.29 | greycat | hypercore: and also depends on whether you use GNOME. |
| 20:50.35 | annadane | and then do read the stretch release notes at the end, even having upgraded from squeeze, could have useful info |
| 20:50.47 | annadane | release notes are just for jessie -> stretch but still |
| 20:50.51 | baconicsynergy | poprocks, It's already installed |
| 20:51.01 | hypercore | greycat: it's for a program that needs them |
| 20:51.08 | stryg | greycat: by clean re-install, do you mean that I must delete all my datas or can I install debian stretch on top of my system? |
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| 20:51.23 | greycat | hypercore: Is it a daemon/service that runs at boot time? If so, you will configure its systemd unit file or its init.d script or whatever launches it. |
| 20:51.43 | annadane | !tell stryg about what to backup |
| 20:51.45 | hypercore | greycat: it's for a docker-compose file |
| 20:51.48 | greycat | stryg: yes, that's what a re-install means |
| 20:51.56 | greycat | hypercore: I know nothing about Docker. Sorry. |
| 20:52.23 | annadane | back up anything you want from your programs and config files to some external medium or whatever and do a reinstall... only if you want |
| 20:52.24 | hypercore | greycat: if i just want to store some environment variables on my system, is there a file for that? |
| 20:52.32 | greycat | stryg: *definitely* back up the system first, either way. |
| 20:52.37 | hypercore | greycat: e.g. /etc/environment |
| 20:52.47 | greycat | hypercore: no. Environment is per process, not magically global. |
| 20:52.47 | annadane | it's certainly less likely to fail than 3 dist-upgrades |
| 20:52.56 | annadane | but up to you; and yes, do back up in any case |
| 20:52.57 | stryg | ok, actually it is a server and I have a lot of daemon that runs on it... |
| 20:53.03 | greycat | hypercore: Variables for a login session are set COMPLETELY differently from variables for a service. |
| 20:53.17 | stryg | means converting this to systemd... |
| 20:53.27 | hypercore | greycat: so /etc/environment is for a login session? |
| 20:53.32 | stryg | means adapting all configuration files,... |
| 20:53.33 | greycat | !stretch sysvinit |
| 20:53.33 | dpkg | To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again. |
| 20:53.42 | greycat | stryg: ^ an option, if you need it |
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| 20:53.57 | poprocks | baconicsynergy: according to the dpkg-query manpage, you should use 'apt-cache show' instaed of dpkg -p, as unless you're using dselect, /var/lib/dpkg/available cannot be reliably up-to-date |
| 20:54.06 | stryg | ok, could be interesting |
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| 20:54.46 | greycat | hypercore: yes, /etc/environment is used by PAM only |
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| 20:55.00 | greycat | (and it also sucks) |
| 20:55.00 | stryg | greycat,annadane: in your experience, is it dangerous to migrate from a major version to the next one? |
| 20:55.19 | Jack__ | however im disappoint about the "statistic data collection" in debian |
| 20:55.23 | annadane | debian aims to make stable transitions seamless as possible but problems _can_ happen |
| 20:55.41 | Jack__ | thaths why i droped other distros, and win |
| 20:55.45 | greycat | stryg: I've almost always had good results with upgrades. There are a few exceptions, like Apache version changes. |
| 20:55.52 | annadane | Jack__, popcon is not enabled by default |
| 20:56.07 | Jack__ | thats good |
| 20:56.14 | bites | so what's the problem? |
| 20:56.18 | annadane | !social contract |
| 20:56.18 | dpkg | The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see http://www.debian.org/social_contract Summary: Debian is a 100% free software platform suitable for running all software. |
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| 20:57.15 | Jack__ | idk , today its disabled, tomorrow is enabled |
| 20:57.17 | stryg | ok, it was mostly for my information, because upgrading 3 major versions seems too much work and too many problems to me... I am trying a full reinstall |
| 20:57.23 | stryg | Thanks again |
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| 20:57.39 | annadane | popcon will never be enabled without the user explicitly telling it to |
| 20:57.57 | Jack__ | i hope |
| 20:58.03 | annadane | this is annoyingly in contrast to unattended-upgrades where some packages will actually have it as a dependency and it will auto-enable itself |
| 20:58.23 | annadane | which IMO should be changed |
| 20:58.37 | stryg | bye! |
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| 21:00.30 | annadane | i even did apt-mark hold unattended-upgrades |
| 21:00.34 | baconicsynergy | poprocks, just found that out reading the man page :)) |
| 21:00.38 | baconicsynergy | ty! |
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| 21:01.05 | baconicsynergy | study study study |
| 21:01.14 | poprocks | baconicsynergy: no worries! I honestly have never used and/or thought about dpkg -p. And I haven't used dselect since Woody |
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| 21:01.40 | baconicsynergy | It seems to be vestigial and on the path to being deprecated |
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| 21:03.33 | baconicsynergy | One of my favorite things to do nowadays is studying Debian and related distros. I'm learning so much! |
| 21:03.41 | annadane | !newcomer |
| 21:03.41 | dpkg | Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea. |
| 21:03.42 | annadane | :) |
| 21:03.49 | baconicsynergy | Debian for lifeeeeeee |
| 21:04.05 | annadane | (btw i still have barely read any of that) |
| 21:04.10 | annadane | (i *wrote* that factoid) |
| 21:04.14 | baconicsynergy | A newcomer? Welcome :) |
| 21:04.17 | poprocks | Haha. |
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| 21:05.47 | Jack__ | mint has a driver manager |
| 21:06.07 | Jack__ | may be deb too |
| 21:06.33 | baconicsynergy | I like to install Mint for friends and family who have never used GNU/Linux, then coax them into installing Debian :p |
| 21:06.56 | baconicsynergy | Mint has a purpose, and that's cool and all, but Debian has a soul! |
| 21:07.17 | poprocks | baconicsynergy: it's an amazing distro... Slackware will always be my #1 fave, but Debian is just so bloody... solid. I feel like Fedora Core would be pretty decent too if they would have a middle ground option between Fedora and RHEL. I used to love living on the bleeding edge (and Debian *does* give you that option with Sid) but it also gets really old after a while to be constantly un-breaking things. |
| 21:07.31 | Jack__ | mint has this shitty flatpack |
| 21:07.39 | Jack__ | now |
| 21:08.05 | Ellied | I think if I were getting my friends/family into Linux I'd just start them off on Debian with xfce. It won't break often and will be really easy to configure. |
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| 21:08.27 | baconicsynergy | poprocks, I should get around to messing around with Slackware! It is after all the oldest surviving GNU/Linux distro |
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| 21:08.49 | annadane | i run sid, things don't break _too_ often. but stable is meant for people who need their computer to work, it's basically guaranteed to not break (though it does happen) |
| 21:08.50 | baconicsynergy | Ellied, xfce is a great choice for beginners |
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| 21:09.41 | Ellied | I love xfce's level of sanity and straightforwardness, particularly for folks who first used computers running Windows 95/98/2000/XP |
| 21:09.42 | Jack__ | why what pros uses ? gnome hahaha |
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| 21:10.08 | Ellied | I mainly use i3 these days, which I'd say is probably not a good choice for beginners |
| 21:10.21 | annadane | for a default desktop in debian gnome is very confusing if you don't know what you're doing, xfce would probably be a better choice |
| 21:10.22 | baconicsynergy | I <3 i3 |
| 21:10.29 | annadane | "where's the minimize button?" |
| 21:10.29 | mefistof1les | in my experience xfce is good for common users (not power users), because it's not that easy to modify and/or it's easy to screw |
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| 21:10.51 | Ellied | I mean if you're new to Linux but used to operating your computer like an oscilloscope, go nuts, but most people who try to use my computer wiggle the mouse and then go "how do I do..... anything?" |
| 21:11.13 | Jack__ | gnome is for smartphones |
| 21:11.20 | baconicsynergy | annadane, I agree. Default GNOME isn't the most user friendly. But the Manjaro team made an absolutely excellent default GNOME distro |
| 21:11.26 | Jack__ | kde gone mad |
| 21:11.28 | baconicsynergy | sorry, off topic |
| 21:11.51 | poprocks | I'd sooner give my grandfather IceWM over GNOME3. All he really does is web and email. I feel like he'd get way more confused by GNOME3, which has little to no discoverability. IceWM? He'd say, "oh look at that - buttons to press". GNOME3 he'd be like, "What do I do? the screen is nearly blank." |
| 21:11.52 | Ellied | KDE these days is surprisingly lightweight (at least if you disable all the animations) |
| 21:11.58 | Ellied | runs on my old hardware almost as well as xfce |
| 21:12.10 | mefistof1les | yeah, a bit off-topic |
| 21:12.12 | Ellied | GNOME bogs it right down immediately |
| 21:12.12 | crash_ | since i started to use i3, i have not needed to boot back to MATE |
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| 21:12.32 | Jack__ | gnome is too much user friendly |
| 21:12.50 | annadane | there's a #debian-offtopic if you folks prefer |
| 21:12.59 | annadane | people like to keep #debian free for support stuff |
| 21:13.20 | baconicsynergy | annadane, thanks for the irc channel suggestion :p |
| 21:13.38 | baconicsynergy | I tend to get off topic rather frequently hehe |
| 21:13.49 | Jack__ | now debian should have a user manager ! doesnt it ? |
| 21:14.00 | annadane | user manager...? like display manager? |
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| 21:14.08 | Jack__ | no users |
| 21:14.15 | mefistof1les | adduser? |
| 21:14.18 | annadane | you can add users in the installer |
| 21:14.19 | mefistof1les | usermod? |
| 21:14.19 | poprocks | useradd? |
| 21:14.20 | annadane | and yeah, adduser |
| 21:14.23 | Jack__ | u know , create users, change password |
| 21:14.27 | annadane | yeah, adduser |
| 21:14.35 | Ellied | adduser makes setting up users pretty easy |
| 21:14.36 | Jack__ | GUII |
| 21:14.36 | annadane | useradd is the backend, i'd not recommend it |
| 21:14.53 | baconicsynergy | I didn't know adduser was default in Debian, that's awesome |
| 21:14.57 | Ellied | I remember trying to use useradd and ending up with a huge caterpillar of default groups that didn't work |
| 21:15.07 | baconicsynergy | ^ yup |
| 21:15.20 | baconicsynergy | Good to know, though |
| 21:15.36 | baconicsynergy | usermod is especially helpful |
| 21:16.28 | poprocks | Interestingly, adduser on Debian is different than on, say, Slackware, so I'd read the manpage before running it. |
| 21:16.40 | Jack__ | everybody gone surfing! surf usa... |
| 21:16.54 | baconicsynergy | Coffee time! Then more studying, brb |
| 21:17.19 | baconicsynergy | sets up coffee IV |
| 21:17.55 | Jack__ | to make autologin i had to edit that file.... |
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| 21:19.33 | Jack__ | inside outside usa |
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| 21:37.10 | jack__ | hi im bak |
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| 21:44.04 | poprocks | Hey jack__ |
| 21:45.07 | jim | oh you came back... jack__,,, and do it again, wheels turnin round and round... |
| 21:45.48 | jim | (paraphrased steely dan lyric) |
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| 21:48.31 | jim | can sh give the message "missing permissions"? |
| 21:48.55 | jim | (I know it's symlinked to bash) |
| 21:51.18 | jack__ | so |
| 21:51.58 | jack__ | does debian has a hardwaremanager ??? |
| 21:52.13 | jack__ | xfce should |
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| 21:54.08 | jack__ | debhelper |
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| 21:54.42 | jack__ | debhelper stupid bot |
| 21:54.59 | somiaj | hardware manager? |
| 21:55.11 | jack__ | yeah |
| 21:55.14 | somiaj | why not use the common tools like lshw if you want to list all hardware |
| 21:56.12 | jack__ | not installed by default... |
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| 21:58.10 | jack__ | nice |
| 21:58.22 | poprocks | jack__: what aspect of your hardware are you looking to manage? |
| 21:58.33 | jack__ | but i like guis |
| 21:58.46 | jack__ | *g.u.i. |
| 21:58.50 | jack__ | im not gay |
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| 22:03.51 | somiaj | in linux almost all drivers (modules) are in the kernel and don't need a tool to manage them. You should answer poprocks if you have an actual issue, what is it you are looking to do? If you want to list all hardware on your system, install and use lshw, there is also lspci, and lsusb for pci and usb bus |
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| 22:04.29 | jack__ | so in order to |
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| 22:04.53 | jack__ | know if there is a proprietary driver for my pc |
| 22:05.13 | jack__ | i have to google for every piece of hardware ? |
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| 22:09.59 | jack__ | i found this hardinfo |
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| 22:13.18 | poprocks | Well... lspci -v will give you some good info about your hardware. You have to understand, Linux comes from the philosophy that device drivers should be GPL and pushed upstream to the kernel tree in order for hardware to be supported. Third party binary drivers are not really in line with that philosophy. Yes, there are hacks out there that sort of "force" binary or semi-binary drivers to function. The nvidia binary drivers |
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| 22:16.51 | poprocks | jack__: Also many of us find things like a "found new hardware wizard" and the like to be somewhat of an affront to how we want our OS's to function. I have a Slackware box for example, which could just as easily be a Debian Stable box, that functions as a server. It just sits there for months on end without being rebooted, and it doesn't even have a monitor or keyboard attached. In fact, I'm chatting with you right now by |
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| 22:18.08 | hicks | Install debian, if everything works, you don't _need_ proprietary drivers. If something doesn't work, like wifi or GFX you might, then you search for the hardware you have to find out (or ask here). If everything works but you have issues, perhaps slow fps in games, then you might also need proprietary. In the process you'll learn a little about the kind of hw best supported by linux which will help you make more informed purchases in the future. |
| 22:18.23 | annadane | this is what i'm saying. unless you need proprietary, don't use it |
| 22:18.33 | annadane | !xy problem |
| 22:18.33 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 22:19.00 | somiaj | in most cases users of linux want free drivers, and if you get new hardware, all you often have to do is plug it in, and load the correct module |
| 22:19.29 | annadane | missing firmware can be discovered later via dmesg | grep -i firmware but even then, just because it says something is missing doesn't mean you necessarily need it |
| 22:19.36 | annadane | if unsure, ask the lovely people in #debian |
| 22:19.54 | annadane | microcode is more important, i'd at least have that installed |
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| 22:24.35 | annadane | if the question is "i want to install debian but i'm scared of not being able to boot into it at all or install from the mirrors at all because my hardware requires non-free stuff", there are non-free firmware installer images |
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| 22:25.46 | poprocks | annadane: I'm not sure he has a question. |
| 22:26.10 | jack__ | I found this packet: firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 22:26.21 | jack__ | you guys are completely useless |
| 22:26.30 | annadane | why not ask intelligent questions first? |
| 22:26.44 | somiaj | jack__: if you want good support ask good questions. You asked for a hardware manager, and were given multiple ways to list the hardware on your system. |
| 22:28.18 | somiaj | but in this case, if you are having trouble with a paticular piece of hardware, ask about that piece of hardware. |
| 22:29.35 | jack__ | no i just like performance |
| 22:29.53 | annadane | ok, but the proprietary software doesn't always give you better performance |
| 22:30.06 | jack__ | hmmm |
| 22:30.41 | jack__ | whats the difference between iucode and intel-microcode ? |
| 22:30.50 | annadane | apt show iucode intel-microcode |
| 22:31.38 | annadane | oh, oops |
| 22:31.43 | annadane | apt show iucode-tool intel-microcode |
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| 22:33.36 | jack__ | hmm |
| 22:34.20 | annadane | (which will only actually work if you have contrib non-free in your sources.list but packages.debian.org also has descriptions) |
| 22:34.52 | jack__ | you install both |
| 22:36.01 | annadane | well, iucode-tool is a dependency of intel-microcode |
| 22:36.16 | jack__ | yea |
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| 22:36.32 | annadane | but i guess i shouldn't be answering questions if i'm useless |
| 22:36.36 | annadane | i'll just go away then |
| 22:37.04 | jack__ | correct |
| 22:37.32 | annadane | and nobody will help you either with that attitude |
| 22:37.39 | annadane | sorry, we're not puppets |
| 22:37.47 | annadane | we do have feelings |
| 22:38.17 | jack__ | apt show is cool |
| 22:38.17 | apt | ...but show is already something else... |
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| 22:38.57 | jack__ | i was reading about firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 22:39.16 | jack__ | there is a list of hardware |
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| 22:40.27 | jack__ | a pretty long list |
| 22:41.06 | jack__ | and here comes back my first question |
| 22:41.34 | jack__ | Why there is not a fuckin autodetect |
| 22:41.37 | jack__ | ? |
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| 22:41.56 | jack__ | and |
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| 22:42.28 | jack__ | suppose I need 1 of em , installing em all will slow my pc ? |
| 22:42.39 | jack__ | ??? |
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| 22:44.13 | jack__ | a wiki says "In some cases the installer detects the need for non-free firmware and prompts the user to make the firmware available to the installer to complete the installation." |
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| 22:44.21 | jack__ | but its not true |
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| 22:44.50 | annadane | what you just said it manifestly false and it's pissing me off |
| 22:44.54 | annadane | s/it/is |
| 22:45.04 | annadane | i'm just putting you on ignore |
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| 22:45.30 | jack__ | fine! |
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| 22:52.15 | xar- | don't feed the trolls annadane |
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| 22:52.58 | jack__ | should i install firmware-misc-nonfree ? |
| 22:53.21 | xar- | sure, what's the worst that could happen? |
| 22:53.42 | jack__ | slow pc ? |
| 22:54.03 | xar- | should make things faster. |
| 22:54.31 | jack__ | it has a long list of drivers |
| 22:54.46 | xar- | the sky is blue. |
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| 22:56.22 | jack__ | "firmware-linux-nonfree" has anything else other than its depedencies ? |
| 22:56.51 | xar- | probably. |
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| 23:03.22 | jack__ | its 19k large |
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| 23:03.38 | jack__ | it could be just a container |
| 23:03.49 | somiaj | just installing firmware isn't nesacarlly going to increase preformance |
| 23:04.37 | somiaj | as already mentioned, you can see what firmware your system is looking for and isn't able to load with dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 23:05.35 | somiaj | I wouldn't worry about this unless you have a specific issue, then research that issue. For the most part the best modules are already included in the linux kernel |
| 23:07.00 | jack__ | that command , gives me just this |
| 23:07.01 | jack__ | BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored |
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| 23:08.20 | jack__ | somiaj, don't you think that intel microcodes will improve performances ? |
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| 23:11.26 | somiaj | jack__: not really, though it is suggested you install it, or just update the firmware on your mobo |
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| 23:20.14 | jack__ | somebody tells the devs to make a nonfree drivers autodetect please |
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| 23:22.53 | somiaj | Read the debian social contract, debian main is only for free stuff. And the nature of non-free is we can't support it, becase the linux devs can't see the source code |
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| 23:24.14 | jack__ | yeah bu do that anyway |
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| 23:29.06 | jack__ | oh |
| 23:29.43 | jack__ | the downloaded firefox is like a standalone version ! cool! |
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