| 00:00.15 | heston | makes sense |
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| 00:15.34 | rant | buu: sometimes cards can just become dislodged.. and a pcie network card has a fairly small interface.. particularly so if you've moved the machine around a bit.. |
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| 00:17.27 | rant | I'm sure there are other scenarios that could occur but I personally have seen ram and oher things come loose before |
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| 00:20.49 | topicali | Unit network-manager.service could not be found. |
| 00:21.35 | rant | topicali: dpkg -l wicd* | egrep ^.i |
| 00:21.50 | topicali | dpkg-query: no packages found matching wicd* |
| 00:22.09 | topicali | i am using wpa_supplicant... |
| 00:22.11 | topicali | if that matters |
| 00:22.33 | topicali | not trying to play a game |
| 00:22.33 | rant | wpa_supplicant cannot on its own auto connect that I'm aware |
| 00:23.15 | rant | and even if it can, I can't help I know wicd, n-m, and interaces |
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| 00:25.58 | rant | topicali: do youu have files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ? |
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| 00:26.23 | flound1129 | hey are we gonna tell people that /etc/network/interfaces does literally nothing anymore |
| 00:26.36 | flound1129 | because that's kind of important info that could save people literally hours of debugging |
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| 00:26.38 | rant | flound1129: you are entirely misinformed |
| 00:26.49 | flound1129 | ok tell me the magic command to make changes to that file take effect then |
| 00:27.03 | rant | if you configure something in there it not only works, but it stops n-m from managing those interfaces |
| 00:27.06 | topicali | rant: my /etc/network/interfaces.d/ is empty |
| 00:27.07 | flound1129 | ifdown/ifup does nothing |
| 00:27.12 | flound1129 | networking restart does nothing |
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| 00:27.27 | flound1129 | network-manager isn't even installed |
| 00:27.42 | flound1129 | so, what's the magic command? |
| 00:27.57 | flound1129 | reboot? |
| 00:28.00 | flound1129 | yay we're windows now |
| 00:28.14 | rant | I dont tthink you have any idea what you're talking about |
| 00:28.35 | rant | but yes the ifup/down were deprecated but are still available |
| 00:28.41 | heston | topicali, is it a laptop? |
| 00:28.52 | rant | and yes systemd changed the way the networking init scripts work |
| 00:29.09 | flound1129 | yes, as in they no longer work |
| 00:29.35 | rant | obviously its a whole different system |
| 00:29.37 | topicali | heston: i really should've mentioned this, and i apologize if this is determining factor, but i'm using raspbian |
| 00:29.39 | flound1129 | buddy I was a debian developer when woody was released |
| 00:29.54 | flound1129 | the new system sucks |
| 00:30.03 | rant | congrats. I'm a user who uses the interfaces file :P |
| 00:30.04 | topicali | (rpi3) |
| 00:31.30 | heston | topicali, oh ok well there's this https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/43720/disable-wifi-wlan0-on-pi-3 |
| 00:31.41 | rant | raspbian is a factor because its not debian and we don't support in here |
| 00:31.54 | flound1129 | rant: https://pastebin.com/RmiNU6Ag |
| 00:31.57 | flound1129 | explain that |
| 00:32.10 | heston | some laptops you can disable wifi through key combos is all |
| 00:32.41 | topicali | heston: i want to the interface to come up, i just don't want it to connect to anything |
| 00:33.01 | heston | well you'll probably need to bring it up manually |
| 00:33.42 | heston | i mean, that's the idea in the first place right? |
| 00:33.57 | topicali | my wlan0 is onboard and autoconnects to my router as it should, but my wlan1 is a usb adapter and i don't want it to automatically connect to my router |
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| 00:37.46 | topicali | i guess i basically want to disable wlan1 from using wpa_supplicant |
| 00:38.02 | topicali | i *think* that would solve it for me |
| 00:39.38 | heston | if those options dont work for you, you could just pull the stick out? Or like rant said, remove the network details |
| 00:41.08 | topicali | what's the command to manually disconnect an interface from a network? |
| 00:41.25 | topicali | disassociate an interface from a network |
| 00:42.11 | topicali | these probably aren't debian specific questions, so i apologize if this is outside of the scope of this chan |
| 00:44.31 | heston | check /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections |
| 00:44.57 | topicali | i don't have n-m installed |
| 00:45.04 | topicali | but this worked: sudo ip link set wlan1 |
| 00:45.09 | topicali | sudo ip link set wlan1 down |
| 00:45.21 | topicali | does ifdown not work anymore? |
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| 00:46.14 | hassoon | topicali: it does |
| 00:46.52 | topicali | for some reason i get "sudo ifdown wlan1 |
| 00:46.52 | topicali | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.33 | hassoon | topicali: check for your interfaces ? |
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| 01:15.57 | rant | flound1129: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1031616 |
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| 01:28.42 | cpu_irq | hi |
| 01:29.07 | rant | 'hep you with somethin? |
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| 01:37.06 | martinjungblut | Theoretical question: is it possible to have no log daemon(rsyslog, syslog-ng), and that's it? |
| 01:41.13 | somiaj | What do you mean by no log? Just less files in /var/log? By default journald is not persistant across reboots, so only apps which write their own log (Such as rsyslog, auth log, etc) are stored in /var/log |
| 01:41.30 | somiaj | the only way journald is persistant across reboots is if /var/log/journal exists, which isn't default |
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| 01:44.51 | martinjungblut | Yeah, I mean, have nothing in /var/log so I have less writes to my drive |
| 01:45.13 | martinjungblut | Either that or mount /var/log as a tmpfs and keep the logs short |
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| 01:46.08 | rant | if writes are your concern and you really dont care about having logs you could jus log to /dev/null but if you still want logs you can log to ram or to another fs/device |
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| 01:47.01 | martinjungblut | I'll try the tmpfs thing |
| 01:47.05 | martinjungblut | Thanks! |
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| 02:41.25 | catz | hello, i tried to wake up my pc after he slept for ~1hour but it wasn't working so i switched the power off and turned it back on.. Now everytime i start and enter my crypt password the screen is just black and nothing happens. I can't switch to a terminal with strg + alt + fx neither.. Any solution? |
| 02:42.08 | catz | last thing i did on it was running blechbit and installed firefox.. debian testing with mate btw |
| 02:45.55 | catz | i started into recovery mode and have a terminal now, anything i can do? |
| 02:48.13 | cmm11 | check logs |
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| 02:52.02 | catz | not sure what i'm looking for, wich log should i check |
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| 02:52.40 | MaritimeHistory | hi |
| 02:54.27 | Sveta | hello MaritimeHistory :) |
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| 03:18.40 | catz | as soon as i mate-session, startx or systemctl default the screen gets black again.. is there a way to try with another window manager? |
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| 03:22.06 | strive | catz: What's in your .xinitrc file? |
| 03:23.07 | catz | strive: i have no .xinitrc file |
| 03:23.29 | strive | I have: exec i3 |
| 03:23.40 | strive | I run startx and i3 starts right up. |
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| 03:25.30 | strive | Probably check your configs and logs. |
| 03:25.37 | strive | G'night peeps. |
| 03:29.39 | catz | isnt it a problem with the display manager when i cant even see the login screen? |
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| 03:43.09 | berto_ | #flood |
| 03:43.12 | berto_ | #flood test |
| 03:43.34 | berto_ | What is it #flood for? |
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| 03:49.35 | catz | i did a dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and lightdm but still black screen |
| 03:52.01 | Sveta | catz, try a different display manager |
| 03:52.27 | Sveta | catz, ctrl+alt+f1, login |
| 03:52.30 | Sveta | catz, install another display manager there via your package manager |
| 03:52.36 | Sveta | catz, it will often start automatically |
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| 03:59.12 | catz | Sveta: i can't even strg + alt + f1 but i can boot into recovery mode, i installed i3 there and gonna try to install gdm now |
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| 04:02.30 | catz | everything was working fine for weeks with the default display manager and mate, i just switched the power off after i couldn't wake up my pc and now i get a black screen after grub.. btw is it normal that i don't have a .xinitrc ? |
| 04:04.18 | heston | I was having the same problem with xfce which uses lightdm as well |
| 04:04.25 | catz | ok, just installed gdm3 and selected it as default display manager but still the same |
| 04:04.30 | heston | are you on stretch as well? |
| 04:04.56 | catz | buster |
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| 04:06.07 | catz | how did you solve your problem? |
| 04:06.14 | heston | mind you I didnt get a black screen after grub |
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| 04:06.44 | heston | I completely disabled sleep and hibernation and went with a fresh install of gnome |
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| 04:08.25 | heston | maybe something got corrupt when you had to hard boot it |
| 04:08.42 | catz | i c.. gonna try to uninstall mate now but i think there is something wrong with x.org or xsession |
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| 04:19.08 | catz | uninstalled mate and did a dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server without luck. gonna try to uninstall the nvidia drivers now |
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| 04:45.02 | catz | apt purge nvidia-* did it for me but as soon as i reinstall the nvidia-driver the screen is black again after reboot.. |
| 04:45.02 | apt | that's too long, catz |
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| 04:52.55 | afidegnum | hi i m having an issue. how do i convert an extended logical to extended primary partition? |
| 04:55.45 | tomreyn | afidegnum: please dopnt cross post (#ubuntu) |
| 04:59.41 | MaritimeHistory | hi |
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| 05:02.52 | alkisg | Hi, I think I remember some point in the past where `sleep` in debian didn't support decimals (e.g. sleep 0.1), but I can't reproduce it even in Wheezy... anyone remembers that issue? |
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| 05:04.34 | alkisg | Hmm, it might have been in busybox, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341403 |
| 05:04.35 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/341403 in busybox (closed): «busybox: please include support for fractional time periods in sleep(1)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2005-11-30; last modified: 2011-09-02. |
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| 07:11.32 | michael2 | hi, does anyone know what the situation with wayland is going to be? will buster be on wayland? or will there be some overlap period where we can choose either wayland or X ? or both? |
| 07:11.51 | annadane | i think that kinda depends on the desktop |
| 07:12.03 | annadane | operative word here being think |
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| 07:13.08 | annadane | can also try #debian-next on oftc |
| 07:13.25 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 07:13.25 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 07:15.11 | michael2 | annadane: thanks |
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| 07:40.42 | f-a | hello, I a runnign quemu like: qemu-system-i386 -hda debian.img -cdrom ~/downloads/debian-9.4.0-i386-netinst.iso -boot d -m 1024 |
| 07:40.56 | f-a | but when I try to enable kvm, like: qemu-system-i386 -hda debian.img -cdrom ~/downloads/debian-9.4.0-i386-netinst.iso -boot d -m 1024 -enable-kvm <-- this gives a black screen |
| 07:41.01 | f-a | how can I diagnose this |
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| 09:19.58 | lokke | OT: a few years ago i saw some kind of info screen. it was running a simple website instead of a full DE. now i'll build the same to display grafana on a single screen. can somesone tell me what $term i have to put into google? |
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| 09:28.32 | Iridos | you mean it was just running a browser? |
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| 09:31.10 | blackflow | lokke: F11 key |
| 09:31.25 | annadane | lokke, i think for terminal web browsers people basically use w3m and others use links2 |
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| 09:32.40 | Iridos | dpkg, nodm |
| 09:32.41 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
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| 09:33.14 | Iridos | lokke, that ⦠and/or possibly matchbox (read the output of "apt-cache show matchbox") |
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| 09:34.04 | Iridos | ("that" == see the nodm factoid from dpkg in the line above) |
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| 09:50.27 | Iridos | lokke, oh, and for a search term⦠I thought those things that allow very limited input are called "kiosk"⦠but there wasn't much in the repositories going by that name |
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| 09:54.31 | p0g0_ | lokke: somewhere between kiosk and captive portal, you might sort it out (do you want to create a constrained desktop vs web page?). You can make a user that has limited rights and constrain their desktop without much trouble- if you intend to offer a web page that acts that way, that's more the captive portal stuff. |
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| 09:58.52 | chicognu | This msg is normal when using DVDS as repository ? W: The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20180310-11:21] stretch Release' does not have a Release file. N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use. |
| 09:59.02 | chicognu | annadane, :P look who is here too |
| 09:59.11 | annadane | !crosspost |
| 09:59.11 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 09:59.18 | petn-randall | chicognu: Yeah, no need to crosspost. |
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| 10:00.08 | chicognu | petn-randall, lol, you too ? |
| 10:00.12 | Caeli | !hurry |
| 10:00.12 | dpkg | hurry is probably Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on. |
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| 10:00.22 | annadane | a lot of people are in multiple chans |
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| 10:01.12 | dadabidet | hello, is there a way to make windows look a little less fat? it seems menus are very thick |
| 10:01.24 | azarus | dadabidet: with GNOME? |
| 10:01.41 | dadabidet | maybe something in tweak tools |
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| 10:01.56 | dadabidet | azarus: not sure, how do I check which desktop I have? |
| 10:02.20 | dadabidet | gnome 332 yes |
| 10:02.21 | azarus | the default in debian is GNOME. |
| 10:02.28 | dadabidet | 3.22.2 |
| 10:04.27 | dadabidet | I cant scale windows downward |
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| 10:05.37 | petn-randall | dadabidet: You could select another theme, I guess. |
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| 10:07.17 | dadabidet | there are no available theme |
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| 10:08.30 | petn-randall | dadabidet: You can install them with your package manager. |
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| 10:09.01 | dadabidet | seems like changing font size sort of improve things |
| 10:09.08 | dadabidet | cant I just tweak the default theme? |
| 10:09.29 | azarus | dadabidet: you can, requires some css i believe |
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| 10:13.30 | dadabidet | well I give up |
| 10:15.27 | petn-randall | that was quick. |
| 10:16.18 | pipo9x | Hi! How can I tell if a USB device has stopped working because of insufficient power? Will it disappear from lsusb output? |
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| 10:17.29 | jolt | pipo9x: I would guess it says something about disconnected yes |
| 10:20.20 | petn-randall | pipo9x: That would be a faulty device though, because the USB spec limit power usage, and the device needs to negotiate it's power requirements. |
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| 10:21.39 | pipo9x | jolt: You mean, I should look for the 'disconnected' line in dmesg? |
| 10:23.23 | jolt | I don't have any examples, yeah, but that or removed or whatever it says |
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| 10:29.48 | rant | it would start out usb followed by the address on the bus |
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| 10:30.18 | rant | might be a descriptor read error or a number of other things |
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| 10:31.50 | mi11k1 | pipo9x, usse dmesg -w and plugin |
| 10:32.03 | wfq | Hi all |
| 10:32.25 | mi11k1 | pipo9x, whats the device? |
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| 10:32.30 | mi11k1 | wfq, hey |
| 10:32.36 | wfq | could anyone please recommend me the most official possible link to update from debian 7 to 9? |
| 10:32.39 | wfq | thanks a lot in advance |
| 10:32.49 | mi11k1 | change sources.list |
| 10:33.02 | mi11k1 | do a google search |
| 10:33.05 | wfq | am about following this: https://ngadmin.blog/logs/20171214/upgrade-debian-7-9 |
| 10:33.09 | rant | wfq: that is not possible |
| 10:33.15 | wfq | I guess I need to update to jessie first |
| 10:33.26 | rant | wfq: yes you must update ach release |
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| 10:33.47 | mi11k1 | might as well get yourself a stretch iso |
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| 10:34.04 | rant | wfq: what arch is the system? |
| 10:34.43 | petn-randall | wfq: The release notes of jessie (and then stretch) have detailled instructions for upgrading. Also don't forget the backups! |
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| 10:35.22 | wfq | rant, sorry what do you mean by arch release please? |
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| 10:35.42 | rant | wfq: i386, amd64, etc.. the CPU architecture |
| 10:35.56 | wfq | oh sorry |
| 10:36.02 | wfq | yeah amd64 |
| 10:36.07 | rant | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 10:36.24 | pipo9x | mi11k1: I have an intel-based computer with touch screen, when you plug too many peripherals, all usb devices stop working. I'm trying to find a way to determine when this happens automatically and power off and on each usb device. |
| 10:36.31 | petn-randall | !wheezy->jessie |
| 10:36.33 | rant | follow the first link to wheezy->jessie then the 2nd for jessie->stretch |
| 10:36.46 | petn-randall | I guess we cleaned up the factoids, hmm. |
| 10:36.59 | wfq | thanks a lot guys |
| 10:37.20 | wfq | pent-randall, backups have already been done |
| 10:37.35 | rant | wfq: this will be probably a 2 day job.. heh.. if not absolutely necessary it'd be easier to just insall stretch |
| 10:38.01 | petn-randall | wfq: petn<tab> |
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| 10:38.19 | wfq | rant hmmm I was actually thinking about it |
| 10:38.34 | wfq | petn-randall sorry for misspelling your nick |
| 10:38.59 | petn-randall | No worries, just giving a helpful hint for using IRC. :) |
| 10:39.15 | rant | wfq: I just did a jessie->stretch and ran into a hitch or two and it took about 4-6hrs |
| 10:39.38 | wfq | rant and you are surely a way more advanced user than me |
| 10:39.48 | rant | you'd be lookin at about 2hrs minimum under ideal condition for each one |
| 10:39.58 | mi11k1 | anybody knowledgeable in openvpn? i want to make a bridge and get dhcp off the other end |
| 10:40.21 | wfq | going to give a try at the second option |
| 10:40.31 | rant | wfq: before you do.. |
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| 10:40.58 | rant | wfq: you may want to save a package list (though package names may have changed) |
| 10:41.44 | rant | wfq: it'd still help if you wanted to get the setup similar |
| 10:41.57 | petn-randall | mi11k1: Are you running in tun or tap mode? |
| 10:42.16 | wfq | rant, I am not much worry about that as we use this node for testing and there is nothing more beyond a LAMP stack. Only concern is probably Maria vs Mysql |
| 10:42.56 | wfq | I'm more worried about all /home/users which are the document roots of virtual hosts so I need to ensure all public keys and so on are copied over |
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| 10:45.01 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, it will be tap |
| 10:45.19 | petn-randall | mi11k1: I see. So where are you stuck? |
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| 10:46.42 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, im stuck at part 1...ive got experience with tun interface with a server on a vps, but i dont know if its possible to do what i want, all the samples have an ip range specified in the config |
| 10:47.16 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, and this is another instance, it will be location to location |
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| 10:49.02 | petn-randall | mi11k1: If you question is "Can I bridge to LANs via openvpn?" the answer is yes. |
| 10:49.06 | petn-randall | *your |
| 10:50.28 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, can you point me to a tutorial ? |
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| 10:51.11 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, bridge the tap and eth on remote end? |
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| 10:55.29 | petn-randall | mi11k1: I don't have a tutorial, sorry. What do you need such a setup for, though? It's failry unusual. |
| 10:55.33 | petn-randall | *fairly |
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| 10:57.04 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, for work, trying to get on same subnet as some machines |
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| 10:57.39 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, i know i can route to the subnet, but its a sticky situation |
| 10:58.17 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, right now I ssh into a machine and do a local port forward to another machine |
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| 10:59.05 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, actually i just remembered I have a Tomato router which might work |
| 10:59.28 | petn-randall | mi11k1: yes, why do you want switching instead of routing? Connecting two networks via OSI layer 2 just causes more problems than it solves, IMHO. |
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| 11:00.46 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, im not a network guy whatsoever, whats the best way to go about this? problem is the router on the other end is doing bgp and its unstable. |
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| 11:02.00 | whislock | 3 |
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| 11:02.26 | petn-randall | mi11k1: I don't quite understand what BGP has to do with your issue. |
| 11:03.00 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, the dhcp pool is in the router, and i cant touch it |
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| 11:05.09 | lokke | hey blackflow p0g0_ , found a working solution for me. its just simple launching chromium or iceweasel via Xinit in --fullscreen* or --kiosk* |
| 11:05.24 | mi11k1 | petn-randall, can i just do a static route from one of the hosts on that lan ? |
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| 11:05.38 | mi11k1 | lokke, or chrome --app= |
| 11:06.07 | mi11k1 | oh sorry, u want fullscreen |
| 11:06.44 | lokke | --app=https://kisoks.foo.bar? |
| 11:06.57 | lokke | kiosk* |
| 11:07.09 | mi11k1 | lokke, yah, but its a window with no menu or anything |
| 11:07.26 | lokke | good to know as well |
| 11:07.34 | mi11k1 | lokke, i see what youre doing |
| 11:08.43 | mi11k1 | lokke, actually i used to use xnest i think |
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| 11:17.28 | chicognu | petn-randall, one more thing, I have all 3 dvds, but I try to install lazarus from it, and there is no lazarus in dvds, only online. Why ? |
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| 11:22.59 | petn-randall | chicognu: See https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 11:23.31 | petn-randall | chicognu: Basically DVD 1-3 are downloadable, but not the complete archive. You'll have to generate the DVD 4-12(?) yourself. |
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| 11:24.17 | petn-randall | 9-14, to be exact. |
| 11:24.21 | petn-randall | 4-14, to be exact. |
| 11:25.09 | petn-randall | You might now understand why DVDs are unpopular, and the HTTP mirrors are preferred. :) |
| 11:26.28 | FinalX | there are DVD images, still? |
| 11:26.30 | FinalX | :) |
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| 11:28.30 | chicognu | FinalX, thank got they have it... It is a lot faster use bittorrent than jigdo to download it... |
| 11:29.36 | dadabidet | I don't remember who helped me last week for debian and its nonfree drivers things |
| 11:29.40 | dadabidet | things work great |
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| 11:30.20 | dadabidet | too many names to scroll :p |
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| 11:31.47 | petn-randall | dadabidet: The elders have heard your thanksgiving and will pass it on. :) |
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| 11:32.10 | rant | FinalX: the mirrors have 3, you have to make or buy the rest yourself if you want the full set |
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| 11:32.58 | rant | guess that was said already :P |
| 11:33.17 | dadabidet | think it was you rant :) |
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| 11:35.18 | rant | probably not, my nutrition facts label says insignificant source of useful information |
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| 11:37.22 | petn-randall | But also 130% of your daily allowance of salt ;) |
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| 11:39.35 | rant | stole the idea from http://www.ryanrusson.com/personal/Ryan_Russon_Bio.html found it entertaining |
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| 11:43.31 | FinalX | rant: sure, I was kinda kidding; I was convinced that in this day and age someone would get a mini netboot and just bootstrap the rest from a local mirror :) |
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| 11:54.57 | romo | Hey guys, I'm on a fresh install, Stretch 9.4 Xfce. If I lock the screen, I can't get it back and end up pulling the plug. I don't think I've touched anything xfce-related, other than enabling autologin. |
| 11:55.03 | eto | hello anybody using zfs on deb here? for some reason df started showing snapshots as mounted filesystems, how can i rpevent that? |
| 11:55.25 | eto | it doesn't seem to respect snapdir property |
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| 12:08.18 | jcross | Is using Debian Sid something I might want to do when using my system as a web developer? |
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| 12:11.52 | babilen | jcross: It really depends on how familiar you are with Debian and/or how much time you are willing to invest when something goes wrong. I've been happily tracking sid for many years now, but I don't think that it is the best approach for everyone. You migh want to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 12:12.30 | babilen | Many of my friends and colleagues are also happily using stable (some use backports) and others use entirely different distributions or operating systems |
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| 12:13.09 | babilen | It ultimately boils down to what you want, your technical background and willingness/ability to sort out problems when they arise. |
| 12:13.55 | babilen | (e.g. "I typically run a full upgrade five minutes before the most important meeting of my life" might not be the best strategy of administrating your workstation) |
| 12:13.56 | chicognu | Some times I prefer to use a old version than a unstable |
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| 12:24.19 | jcross | I'll have to take a look at what backports is and how it differs to unstable |
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| 12:26.09 | BanHammor | !backports |
| 12:26.09 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:26.48 | BanHammor | what you probably mean is the backports repository |
| 12:28.03 | jcross | Ah ok, looks like I'll start with Stable, if that doesn't work out I can look at backports and if that's still not working out, I can try out Sid |
| 12:28.50 | jcross | I've immediately gone for the unofficial DVD with non free firmware to make sure it runs across the various laptops I will use Debian on if I like it. Is that a big no no? |
| 12:29.40 | BanHammor | backports is not a distribution on its own - it's just got some packages that are more recent than on stable |
| 12:29.57 | mawk | it wouldn't be referenced on debian domains otherwise jcross I guess |
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| 12:30.08 | jcross | BanHammor: Understood, what I meant is I will enable the repository if I need it |
| 12:30.27 | BanHammor | sid, however, is a big no-no for almost anyone but bleeding edge testers who don't mind their machines breaking. |
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| 12:31.11 | jcross | Ah, well *that* is not something I want. So the release of the non free iso is on the Debian site. Is that just for simplicity and I'm still getting an otherwide "Debian Experience"? |
| 12:31.32 | mawk | it adds thing to the iso, doesn't substract |
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| 12:31.46 | mawk | so unless having only free software is essential to your experience, it will be the same or better |
| 12:31.51 | jcross | mawk: :thumbs_up: |
| 12:32.42 | jcross | I'm swithing over from Fedora Workstation as Gnome has just started crashing across several machines following an update and I just don't need that kind of hassle in my day to day |
| 12:33.35 | pi__ | can we create temporary password just like bluetooth to transfer file using SCP without revealing system password to the friend? |
| 12:33.56 | mawk | a temporary account then ? |
| 12:34.15 | mawk | but said friend will be able to see files that are public on your computer, for instance stuff in /etc |
| 12:34.31 | pi__ | oh i need to create account just for scp? |
| 12:34.36 | mawk | but you can use a chroot or something in that vein, but unless your friend is very untrustworthy you shouldn't bother |
| 12:34.41 | mawk | ah |
| 12:34.53 | pi__ | scp doesnt allow to view files on the system |
| 12:34.57 | jeep | pi__: you probably want to setup a chroot for it |
| 12:35.00 | mawk | well you can change your own password then change it back if you want, but your friend will be able to mess with your files |
| 12:35.12 | BanHammor | scp works via ssh, and ssh DOES allow that |
| 12:35.48 | mawk | for the password issue you can make him use his public key, then restrict the public key usage to sftp; but that says nothing about him stealing your files |
| 12:36.08 | V7 | Where it could be possible to ask some offtopic question? |
| 12:36.13 | BanHammor | what you can do if your friend isn't a douche is generate a key, add the public part to ~/.ssh/authorized_hosts and hand the friend the private part |
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| 12:36.40 | BanHammor | you can then delete the key - but of course, the friend can just ssh with that key and steal all of your stuff |
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| 12:37.03 | mawk | it's easy to restrict a key to sftp, in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 12:37.10 | mawk | just add some magical prefix to the line |
| 12:37.14 | pi__ | i wanted something as simple as bluetooth. generating per session password |
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| 12:37.53 | V7 | pi__: Usually, easier means weaker |
| 12:37.55 | mawk | then it will be simple to use, but to set that up it will take way too much time |
| 12:38.17 | mawk | and in the time it'd take to set it up you could've transferred a thousand files to your friend |
| 12:38.45 | BanHammor | pi__, easiest option: scp those files TO your friend and let them type in their password |
| 12:39.38 | jcross | pi__: Here is a lengthy tutorial that might help you https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/how-do-i-restrict-a-user-to-a-specific-directory |
| 12:39.47 | pi__ | ok |
| 12:40.10 | BanHammor | jcross, this is hella complicated, and requires you add a specific user anyway |
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| 12:40.40 | jcross | BanHammor: yup, lengthy and overkill. But it looks like at the end of it, he will have what he wants. |
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| 12:41.57 | pi__ | if i upload the file to my frd's system. i dont hav to tell my password to him to start the scp session? |
| 12:42.11 | BanHammor | ssh (scp, sftp, fish): generally not the tool for the job if you want to restrict a user's access or create one-time passwords |
| 12:42.30 | BanHammor | pi__, no, but your friend has to tell or type in theirs |
| 12:42.49 | pi__ | ok |
| 12:43.09 | jelly | V7: iof it's not tech support, |
| 12:43.12 | jelly | #debian-offtopic |
| 12:43.25 | pi__ | i hav the server. he has the client. i can transfer the file he needs. right? i dont hav to reveal my system password? |
| 12:43.35 | V7 | Thank you jelly |
| 12:43.47 | jelly | if it's tech support, depends on the question |
| 12:44.04 | BanHammor | it's very unusual if a system that has an openssh client doesn't have a server as well |
| 12:44.14 | BanHammor | usually both are installed |
| 12:44.27 | BanHammor | (unless it's windows or something equally exotic) |
| 12:44.34 | V7 | pi__: You might want a honeypot or jailed user |
| 12:44.38 | jelly | or debian base without ssh server task |
| 12:45.02 | pi__ | winscp is client only |
| 12:46.04 | BanHammor | then i guess creating a temporary user is the way to go |
| 12:46.30 | pi__ | ok |
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| 12:53.48 | sadtaco | https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9088917 there anything I should do to block these attempts? They wouldn't have my private key anyway to log in, and I don't allow password auth, but still... |
| 12:53.51 | sadtaco | really filling up my logs |
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| 12:55.17 | RoyK | sadtaco: rotate the logs more frequently :) |
| 12:55.35 | RoyK | sadtaco: or perhaps move ssh to another port - it'll reduce the amount a bit |
| 12:55.41 | sadtaco | eh it's really not taking that much space. The yare rotated. |
| 12:55.51 | sadtaco | It's not on the ports it's attempting is the funny thing. You can see lots of different port attempts there, right? |
| 12:55.59 | RoyK | sadtaco: or use ufw (or just iptables) to block access to ssh from unknown addresses |
| 12:56.23 | RoyK | sadtaco: no, that's the source port - the destination port is normally 22 |
| 12:56.29 | sadtaco | Ah. |
| 12:56.54 | sadtaco | Mmm I thought of blocking unknown ip but it's a pain if I lock myself out like that 'cause I forget when isp changes or something >_> |
| 12:57.31 | RoyK | easiest thing is to ignore it - it won't fill up your disk unless it's made in the ninetees |
| 12:57.52 | RoyK | meaning by now it should be quite dead |
| 12:58.14 | sadtaco | It's an AWS. My disk is only 8 gb :p |
| 12:58.27 | sadtaco | EC2*. Xen. |
| 12:58.51 | RoyK | oh - well - ufw allow from my_ip to any proto tcp port 22 |
| 12:59.06 | RoyK | and then add a few other IPs from friends or work etc in separate lines |
| 12:59.27 | RoyK | and then ufw enable - will by default block everything that isn't explicitly allowed |
| 12:59.35 | RoyK | then "ufw logging off" |
| 13:00.18 | RoyK | you'll have to open other ports as you need them - like 80 for http, 443 for https etc |
| 13:00.35 | RoyK | but it's simple and safe |
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| 13:01.46 | sadtaco | mh i'll just change port like you said. That might be enough |
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| 13:03.15 | sadtaco | oh what. I'm getting a "cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device" but df -h shows 1.3GB free on / |
| 13:03.39 | sadtaco | welp ill figure it out |
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| 13:04.47 | jelly | sadtaco: which shell? How much is free on /tmp ? |
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| 13:07.02 | sadtaco | I don't actually have a separate mount for /tmp https://i.imgur.com/8iEQD3g.png |
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| 13:08.13 | jelly | sadtaco: so df /tmp/ shows the same value as for / ? |
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| 13:10.12 | sadtaco | Yep, jelly. /dev/xvda1 |
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| 13:10.15 | sadtaco | so 1.3gb free on it |
| 13:10.48 | jelly | what about inode count, df -i, is that close to full? |
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| 13:11.09 | jelly | maybe you're just running a crazy script that tries to create a huge here-doc |
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| 13:12.51 | expert975 | I've updated yeterday and Xorg isn't starting anymore, the motherboard beeps when I use 'startx'. I've read the Xorg log but I'm not sure what to look for. |
| 13:13.22 | BanHammor | expert975, can you dump the log to a pastebin? |
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| 13:14.37 | nkuttler | expert975: updated what? |
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| 13:16.01 | expert975 | nkuttler: apt upgrade |
| 13:16.13 | expert975 | BanHammor: can I do that from the command line? |
| 13:16.31 | nkuttler | expert975: what, not how |
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| 13:16.51 | p3rs3us | hey guys, when I did mount -o loop disk.iso /mnt/disk as root, I have noticed that all files are lower case, but some scripts in the iso are broken because they are looking for files with a mix between lower and upper case characters. Is this a problem of the mount options I have provided ? |
| 13:17.29 | expert975 | nkuttler: I was about 100 packages. Where do I see the list? |
| 13:18.26 | nkuttler | expert975: oh, it sounds like you're running testing/sid? support for that is on oftc, in #debian-next |
| 13:18.30 | jhutchins | expert975: What video chipset do you have, and what driver are you using? |
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| 13:19.21 | expert975 | jhutchins: I'm using the nvidia driver |
| 13:19.25 | jhutchins | p3rs3us: No, it's not a problem with the mount |
| 13:19.41 | expert975 | jhutchins: the video card is GTX550Ti |
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| 13:20.33 | expert975 | I'm on Testing |
| 13:20.50 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 13:20.50 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:20.57 | Krisostoomus | https://imgur.com/a/2y6cyKy |
| 13:21.28 | jelly | expert975: latest kernel on testing/sid is incompatible with latest packaged nvidia. |
| 13:21.57 | jhutchins | expert975: If you're using the driver from nvidia you'll need to at least re-install it, or what jelly says may be your problem. |
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| 13:22.06 | expert975 | jelly: should I downgrade the kernel then? |
| 13:22.36 | jelly | reinstalling won't help |
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| 13:22.48 | jelly | expert975: boot older kernel, sure |
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| 13:23.15 | p3rs3us | jhutchins, so that means that the file names inside the ISO are probably lowercase, is there a way to check? |
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| 13:24.12 | p3rs3us | jhutchins, well I have just opened the file with brasero, and I can see a mix between upper and lower case |
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| 13:25.25 | sadtaco | jelly, ahhh indeed it is 100% use |
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| 13:26.22 | peterandre | is there a way to restart the gnome desktop gui without closing other running processes ? |
| 13:26.46 | nkuttler | peterandre: what kind of processes? |
| 13:27.05 | peterandre | usual processes like browser, virtual box, some terminals |
| 13:27.12 | peterandre | sometimes like when my system is up for 50 days |
| 13:27.17 | peterandre | gnome sometimes freezes |
| 13:27.33 | nkuttler | for terminals, use a multiplexer |
| 13:27.54 | peterandre | ok |
| 13:28.00 | peterandre | ill take a look at it |
| 13:28.15 | nkuttler | i think tmux is the popular one, i prefer screen though |
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| 13:28.29 | nkuttler | for a browser i wouldn't even bother, they have nice restore functions |
| 13:28.38 | nkuttler | virtualbox, no idea, don't use it |
| 13:28.45 | peterandre | i see, thanks for the info :) |
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| 13:29.37 | expert975 | Xorg works again with an older kernel. Thank you all |
| 13:30.20 | oo_miguel | I am playing with namespaces (via 'unshare' as regular user) and so far I am able to create a new 'pid namespace' and let its main process think it is running as root with pid=1. I wonder how containers (as lxc) give the process a limited view of the filesystem 'faking' a seperate root tree? |
| 13:31.03 | jelly | sadtaco: so something created lots and lots of files someplace |
| 13:31.21 | sadtaco | yeah i'm looking into it. Odd though since I can't think of what |
| 13:31.50 | blackflow | oo_miguel: via chroot? |
| 13:32.32 | oo_miguel | blackflow: is this all, seriously? I don't know, thats why I asked. :) |
| 13:33.21 | oo_miguel | because I just began to wonder what this 'container technologies' give me beside a command line interface to namespaces and chroot :P |
| 13:33.40 | sadtaco | simply rebooting dropped it to 22% used |
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| 13:34.25 | blackflow | oo_miguel: nothing, that's just it. namespacing, and all the benefits of it. |
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| 13:35.16 | blackflow | oo_miguel: and for servies, you can use isolation options of unit files to achieve the same, with no additional tools required. |
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| 13:36.58 | oo_miguel | blackflow: oh I never looked into this feature, thank you |
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| 15:05.25 | rant | ok apparently my brain doesn't work right now can someone show me how to rsync pull a file from a remote machine over ssh on a custom port? I go 10GB of a 17GB file over scp before I hit a broken pipe. |
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| 15:11.07 | rant | nm think I got it on the 31st try :P |
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| 15:12.06 | rant | can't really be sure since its not outputting anything despite the -vP |
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| 15:20.58 | petn-randall | rant: It will checksum the files on both ends, compare, and then split it into smaller and smaller parts and compare the checksums. Which is why at first it will seem to be doing nothing for a while. |
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| 15:21.34 | rant | yeah I get how it works just never worked with a file this large |
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| 15:21.54 | petn-randall | rant: If you're 100% sure the file is just truncated, you can speed up things by using --append |
| 15:22.19 | rant | I'm 0% sure of that I have no idea how scp works :P |
| 15:22.43 | rant | and I've run a million rsync commands trying to figure this out |
| 15:23.57 | rant | I'd done scp and took a nap, woke up and had a broken pipe and only 10GB of a 17GB vdi |
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| 15:25.37 | rant | apparently scp isnt as reliable as wget :P |
| 15:26.17 | greycat | If the data set is large enough that you might be upset if you have to redo it from the start, use rsync. Then it can resume. |
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| 15:27.19 | rant | yeah well in this case I started with scp and got more than half which probably took 3hrs so.. I'm trying o complete wih rsync |
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| 15:29.48 | rant | and its been over 16min now and I dont think its transferred any of the file yet |
| 15:30.03 | jelly | this is normal, rant |
| 15:30.37 | jelly | esp, in shallow trees and lots (6+ figures) of files |
| 15:30.46 | rant | I'd imagine so I went to great lenth with a dozen arguments to make i show progress |
| 15:31.00 | rant | its only a single 17GB file |
| 15:31.07 | rant | which I have 10GB of |
| 15:31.23 | jelly | it might be one or both disks are just slow |
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| 15:32.00 | jelly | and if you forgot --inplace, rsync will make a second copy one the destination instead of appending |
| 15:32.32 | rant | rsync -avvz --times --stats --checksum --human-readable --acls --itemize-changes --progress --out-format='[%t] [%i] (Last Modified: %M) (bytes: %-10l) %-100n' --rsh="ssh -p 13375" "roger@roger:/home/roger/VirtualBox\ VMs/Win7\ 64bit/Windows\ 7.vdi" /media/user/0514dc50-4c15-4572-8b6a-a447f7d3a030/ |
| 15:32.48 | rant | and it jus now sarted showing progress but I hink its starting from beginning |
| 15:33.18 | greycat | "ls -lart" in the destination directory to see the temp file growing |
| 15:33.57 | jelly | it will be called .origfilenamehere.RANDOM |
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| 15:34.35 | rant | yeah I can see that I just dont know that its not pulling data I already have |
| 15:35.14 | rant | must be though cause its at 2G on progress ouput and says over 10% |
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| 15:35.25 | jelly | it copies from the copy that's already on the destination if the blocks match. |
| 15:36.49 | rant | I do know the data transfer rate is almost 10x faster han it was going on scp |
| 15:37.27 | greycat | sounds like your destination is just REALLY slow, probably because of some combo of "VM" and "Windows 7" |
| 15:37.56 | jelly | or "usb" |
| 15:38.28 | rant | trying to grab a disk image for Win7 so I can run itunes real fast and fix this ipod that needs restored |
| 15:38.47 | rant | didn't want to try hook it up remotely |
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| 15:40.12 | rant | and yeah my dest is usb 2.0 w/ luks :P |
| 15:41.19 | jelly | luks isn't a problem if your cpu does aes |
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| 15:42.21 | jelly | even then, a 2010 i3-540 ate just 70% of a single core doing luks to a 200MB/s SSD. |
| 15:42.32 | rant | pretty sure it does.. its a AMD GX-212JC SOC and is prety quick wih crypo stuff, shows aes in lscpu under flags |
| 15:43.06 | jelly | (and that dropped to <20% after switching to i5-650 with aes-ni) |
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| 15:43.45 | rant | yeah I dont believe this has aes-ni but has aes |
| 15:43.51 | jelly | that's the same thing |
| 15:44.32 | jelly | but you won't get more than 35MB/s transfers over USB2, so cpu usage is even lower |
| 15:45.48 | rant | I'm showing abou 10MB/s on average I'd say the progress from my long arglist there is showing it bouncing between 2-20mb/s |
| 15:46.20 | jelly | disregard rsync output, look at something like iostat -mxN 5 |
| 15:46.27 | rant | and says currently 8.99G 51% 20.44MB/s 0:06:41 |
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| 15:46.57 | jelly | 20-25MB/s is okay for usb2, not best possible but okay |
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| 15:48.49 | rant | yeah well connection on remote is direct ethernet to 200MBPS or so cable internet.. on this end its same gateway but using the public AP side of it which is limited to 12Mbps and I'm connected to it over wifi with a mesh collander at a distance :P |
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| 15:49.11 | rant | so getting even 1MB/s is pretty fast |
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| 15:49.55 | rant | jelly: which package provides iostat? the sysstat package? |
| 15:50.05 | greycat | ,file bin/iostat |
| 15:50.09 | judd | Search for bin/iostat in stretch/amd64: sysstat: usr/bin/iostat |
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| 15:51.55 | rant | this is the only thing I've never been able to do without windows is restore a damn ipod :P someone came to me yesterday needing one restored.. its annoying |
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| 15:52.18 | rant | and its one of he few models rockbox doesnt support |
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| 15:53.53 | rant | and to best of my knowledge itunes which is a total crapfest has never really worked under wine or crossover even |
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| 16:02.25 | zerocool | anyone here use fail2ban? wondering how i can break the ignoreip out of jail.local into it's own file... |
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| 16:03.18 | zerocool | like should i source it and have ignoreip directive listed in the file or can i do like postfix and just have a file with a list in it and say (in my jail.local) ignoreip = /path/to/file |
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| 16:08.10 | zerocool | looks like this works... in [INCLUDES], in before directive, append line with path to whitelist, have the ignoreip directive in the file with the list... this is not idea but whatever :) |
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| 16:26.16 | mallxs | i see in the example files of openvpn they still use ifconfig address address, what is the ip equivalent for this ? |
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| 16:27.05 | RoyK | mallxs: what is the ifconfig line, please? |
| 16:27.55 | mallxs | RoyK: ifconfig 10.0.1.1 10.0.1.2 |
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| 16:28.44 | RoyK | mallxs: not sure - sorry - not familiar with that syntax |
| 16:29.04 | karlpinc | mallxs: Isn't that an openvpn directive, not any sort of Unix command? |
| 16:29.22 | RoyK | mallxs: try #openvpn |
| 16:29.45 | mallxs | karlpinc: oops i didn't see it that way ... thx |
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| 17:20.41 | likcoras | How do I completely clear gpg-agent(ssh)? I did a ssh-add $file, but now I don't want that entry to be in my agent. I have deleted the key file, tried killing and sending HUP to gpg-agent and rebooting. |
| 17:21.23 | likcoras | No matter what I do, ssh-add -l keeps listing the unwanted key. |
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| 17:22.14 | likcoras | I've also tried ssh-add -D and RELOADAGENT through gpg-connect-agent |
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| 17:27.38 | jhutchin1_wk | mallxs: ifconfig is still available in the netutils package. |
| 17:27.40 | likcoras | Ah, I've found the sshcontrol file. Deleting it and re-running ssh-add to readd my usual keys worked. |
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| 17:38.05 | SwK | so.... besides -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false is there a workaround for "Release file expired"? |
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| 17:43.37 | jelly | SwK: if it's your own repo, re-sign it |
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| 17:44.17 | jelly | the check is there to prevent a third-party showing you old copies of (eg. security) repos and making you THINK you're all patched up |
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| 17:45.06 | jelly | otherwise, no, that's the exact workaround for that |
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| 17:59.27 | SwK | jelly yeah is my mirror... change control blah blah... pain in my ass blah blah |
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| 18:08.38 | eyalroz | I have a question about the mercurial-git package - if I may. |
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| 18:08.53 | eyalroz | It existed in jessie, and exists in sid, but does not exist in stretch. So: |
| 18:08.58 | eyalroz | 1. Why is this the case? and |
| 18:09.10 | eyalroz | 2. How can I have this functionality with stretch? I sorely need it. |
| 18:09.33 | eyalroz | (and would rather not start manually installing mercurial+plugins) |
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| 18:11.08 | jhutchin1_wk | ,v mercurial-git |
| 18:11.09 | judd | Package: mercurial-git on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.2-2; jessie: 0.6.1-2; sid: 0.8.11-1 |
| 18:12.50 | petn-randall | eyalroz: On the package QA page you'll see the reason why it was thrown out of testing, it's most likely due to release-critical bugs. |
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| 18:14.28 | eyalroz | petn-randall: I'm mostly ignorant when it comes to Debian distro-development-related affairs, so I don't know where to ... wait... do you mean this: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/hg-git ? |
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| 18:21.51 | ssta | is there any way to use equivs to provide an earlier version of a package? |
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| 18:24.08 | ssta | I want to install mssql-server - it requires openssl <=1.0.2 - I don't really want to downgrade openssl, and there's no real reason to require <= - I was hoping I could use equivs or somilar to fool things (I can use a xenial chroot if all else fails I suppose...) |
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| 18:29.25 | Pusteblume | i debootstrapped a minimal install and mounted several debian dvds into a chroot and try to use "apt-get download <something>" but that results in that error: W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/root/tools/gpm/gpm_1.20.4-6.2+b1_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
| 18:29.32 | Pusteblume | any hints how to fix this? |
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| 18:34.03 | alles-wird-gut | using https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker, i got S1-BlackSmith: MELTDOWN DETECTED on PID: 3056 (from PID:3060 to PID: 3067) |
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| 18:34.45 | alles-wird-gut | damn, uname -a Linux 4.16.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.16.16-2 (2018-06-22) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:35.27 | alles-wird-gut | what can I do, only updating microcode? |
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| 18:38.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | huh, #debian-next redirects here? |
| 18:39.07 | alles-wird-gut | sorry, but I using 's1-blacksmith (V2)' https://www.sentinelone.com/blog/sentinelone-releases-free-linux-tool-detect-meltdown-vulnerability-exploitations/ to detect if meltdown is running. |
| 18:39.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | is there are reason the channel is gone from freenode? or should I be asking that over at oftc.net #debian-next? |
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| 18:44.42 | Sleaker | hmm, I think I figured out an easier way to handle my problem with gpg keys in the d-i jelly. started looking at just building my own package and I think that should work as long as I can build a udeb. |
| 18:45.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: their demo video is funny, why does a startup with millions of dollars in funding use a text to speech program for their video? |
| 18:46.18 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: on Freenode, yes .. it exists on OFTC |
| 18:46.27 | abrotman | They never existed on Freenode |
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| 18:47.13 | alles-wird-gut | KaffeeJunky123: lol |
| 18:47.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: I keep dreaming they did |
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| 18:47.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: or maybe I was just asking #debian-next questions in here without ever noticing |
| 18:48.13 | jhutchin1_wk | KaffeeJunky123: There are a lot of more specialized Debian channels on oftc, the ones on freenode are the more general ones. |
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| 18:49.34 | alles-wird-gut | KaffeeJunky123: do you mean that's no serious tool? |
| 18:50.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: there's no source code, I can't tell |
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| 18:51.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: does it detect an active meltdown exploit on your system? |
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| 18:52.45 | alles-wird-gut | KaffeeJunky123: I get only outputs on stdout "S1-BlackSmith: MELTDOWN DETECTED on PID: 3056", PID changes in range of 3060 - 3067 |
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| 18:54.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: imho, I wouldn't run random binaries from the inernet as root |
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| 18:55.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: what are you running this on? |
| 18:56.06 | alles-wird-gut | KaffeeJunky123: of course, |
| 18:56.13 | alles-wird-gut | http://www.itprotoday.com/network-security/linux-monitoring-tool-detects-meltdown-attacks |
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| 19:02.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: that was a lot of text not really telling me more about the tool than the vendors homepage |
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| 19:03.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | But my question remains, on what kind of machine are you testing this? |
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| 19:05.45 | petn-randall | eyalroz: yes |
| 19:05.48 | eyalroz | ssta: Shouldn't you ask Microsoft support about their requirement? Also, I'm no .deb expert, but maybe you could manually edit the .deb package(s) instead of pretending to have openssl <= 1.0.2, which may get you into other kinds of trouble. |
| 19:06.54 | eyalroz | petn-randall: So, I guess it was legitimately auto-removed, but the question is - what can I / should I do to get hg-git working? Should I manually install it using the python mechanism? Whatchamacall it, easy_install? |
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| 19:07.08 | petn-randall | !ssb |
| 19:07.09 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 19:07.21 | petn-randall | eyalroz: You can backport the package with relative ease. See above. ^^^ |
| 19:07.42 | petn-randall | eyalroz: You of course need to keep track of security updates yourself. |
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| 19:08.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | petn-randall: you can write a small script to check for those and put it in a cron job |
| 19:10.06 | tw | How do I get the qt5 kit to autodetect in qtcreator? From a new install w/ just Cinnamon desktop selected in tasksel, I installed build-essential, qtcreator, qt5-default. I'd prefer to use apt and not the downloadable from the qt company. |
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| 19:12.13 | alles-wird-gut | KaffeeJunky123: on my main - root - machine :/ |
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| 19:13.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: I guess my question was too vague, what do you run on this machine, does it host any services accessible from the internet? |
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| 19:14.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: if you don't host anything for anyone and it's just a desktop computer, the chances of you being target of meltdown exploit attempt are extremely low |
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| 19:15.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | I still haven't heard of any meltdown exploits happening in the wild |
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| 19:16.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | if there are any, they're probably targeted intrusion attempts |
| 19:16.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: cloud services and the like are the most intresting target to attempt this exploit on |
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| 19:17.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | If you're not doing anything that would make you an interesting target for an attack, I'd say this tool is giving you a false positive alles-wird-gut |
| 19:18.26 | alles-wird-gut | KaffeeJunky123: ahh okay, I use this machine as a normal desktop machine |
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| 19:19.00 | alles-wird-gut | office, gimp etc. |
| 19:19.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | I suppose you don't usually install weird stuff like this tool? |
| 19:19.55 | alles-wird-gut | KaffeeJunky123: not as root ^^ |
| 19:20.14 | alles-wird-gut | some strange blockchain apps, sometimes *g |
| 19:20.39 | alles-wird-gut | but not now anymore :) |
| 19:21.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | strange blockchain apps as in etherum smartcontracts? |
| 19:21.19 | alles-wird-gut | yes. |
| 19:21.37 | alles-wird-gut | last year, some of them |
| 19:21.51 | alles-wird-gut | I've tested. |
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| 19:26.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: well, it's really unlikely then that you're actually having something running that does try to exploit meltdown |
| 19:26.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | but those smartcontracts would've been a possible attack vector |
| 19:26.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | anyways, that tool doesn't even come with a manual |
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| 19:29.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | And I don't see how it would mesure anything meaningful in usermode |
| 19:31.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: and it didn't even output a specific pid that you could've looked up, so it's a useless tool |
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| 19:39.50 | petn-randall | If you're worried about meltdown/spectre, just install the microcode for your CPU from non-free, and you're safe. |
| 19:39.53 | petn-randall | !meltdown |
| 19:39.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, meltdown is https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5754 |
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| 19:41.50 | alles-wird-gut | KaffeeJunky123: no, the pid it shows, aren't listed in #ps -aux |
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| 19:44.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | alles-wird-gut: well, then it's probably a fake tool... |
| 19:44.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | hopefully it didn't cause any harm |
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| 19:45.52 | hassoon | doooooooooooooooods |
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| 19:51.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | hassoon: hello |
| 19:51.32 | hassoon | KaffeeJunky123: ohai there |
| 19:51.56 | hassoon | ow no time to poop |
| 19:52.07 | hassoon | grabs the laptop and heads to the bathroom |
| 19:52.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | uhm, okay... |
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| 19:54.56 | hassoon | KaffeeJunky123: wa'r yo mean by okey |
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| 19:59.00 | hassoon | thought we're there, never mind :o |
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| 20:17.26 | heston | hi guys, is there a graphical text editor for changing config files that wont pollute root's directory? |
| 20:18.15 | greycat | Does "xterm -e nano" count as a graphical text editor? |
| 20:18.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: if you're not reading it from a stream, it's graphical |
| 20:19.42 | heston | about as graphical as a painting |
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| 20:21.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: why not grep and sed? |
| 20:21.26 | greycat | neither of those is a text editor |
| 20:21.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: I mean instead of bothering with a clunky editor |
| 20:22.03 | greycat | heston: Seriously, learn a regular terminal-based text editor. This a fundamental necessity for any unix sysadmin. |
| 20:22.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | heston: nano is pretty selfexplanatory |
| 20:22.56 | heston | but also a waste of time and effort vs a graphical text editor |
| 20:22.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | it shows you which keys to press for which command and there's no complicated input mode switching going on |
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| 20:23.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | heston: actually a lot of the terminal based editors are way more efficient |
| 20:23.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | and they work when X does not |
| 20:24.07 | greycat | At some point you are going to ssh into your machine from a terminal with no X11 available, and you are going to have to edit a file, using a text editor, in a terminal. Period. This WILL happen. If it doesn't, you are not an actual unix admin. |
| 20:24.33 | greycat | Learning a terminal-based text editor is ABSOLUTELY necessary. Like learning how to use "cp" or "rm". |
| 20:24.35 | heston | is just a lowly end user |
| 20:24.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | If you maintain your machine you're an admin |
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| 20:25.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | imho |
| 20:25.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | unless you pay for tech support |
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| 20:25.31 | Toadisattva | nano is pretty win |
| 20:25.53 | Toadisattva | vim however... |
| 20:25.57 | Toadisattva | not very inutivie |
| 20:26.02 | heston | vim is disturbing |
| 20:26.10 | Toadisattva | press j to move down like wut |
| 20:26.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Toadisattva: vim has default mappings for the arrow keys, are you talking about vi or vim-tiny? |
| 20:26.42 | Toadisattva | maybe vi |
| 20:26.48 | greycat | If you don't like vi/vim, that's fine. Use another one. |
| 20:26.56 | greycat | That's why we have choices. |
| 20:27.02 | Toadisattva | one that does not use the arrow keys |
| 20:27.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | there's always ed |
| 20:27.23 | Toadisattva | I see it's pretty powerful once you learn it, but man it was frustrating trying to figure out why I couldn't move or exit or anything like that |
| 20:27.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | wait, ed is not even installed on this Debian machine! |
| 20:27.31 | greycat | Sadly, Debian doesn't install ed by default (priority is "optional"). |
| 20:27.38 | Toadisattva | specially when you don't have a quick google to search up "how the heck does this work" :P |
| 20:27.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | Toadisattva: actually, when you start it there's a help screen |
| 20:27.55 | Toadisattva | is there? |
| 20:27.56 | cnw2152 | any editor which cannot run in screen (or tmux) is not for me |
| 20:28.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | or rather a screen that tells you how to go to the help screen and how to quit |
| 20:28.06 | Toadisattva | I don't recall one popping up for me |
| 20:28.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | Toadisattva: yes, it's been there since the ancient vi days |
| 20:28.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | Toadisattva: it disappears if you start entering stuff |
| 20:28.28 | heston | nano is pretty painless, I'll use that. Thanks guys |
| 20:28.32 | hicks | it's rare to find a machine without vi installed, so it's always useful to know the basics imo. |
| 20:28.47 | Toadisattva | I support nano :) |
| 20:28.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | multi line editing is neat |
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| 20:29.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | reminds me that I reall should configure my vim properly again |
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| 20:36.02 | eyalroz | petn-randall: This worked, Thanks. Have written this up here: https://stackoverflow.com/q/51141845/1593077 |
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| 20:53.51 | foxrip | anyone working with workbench 6.3 on debian Stretch? |
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| 20:54.30 | __m4ch1n3__ | prefere keybord and mouse |
| 20:54.34 | __m4ch1n3__ | :D |
| 20:54.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | foxrip: just ask your question, it's a golden IRC rule not to ask to ask, because communication is often delayed |
| 20:55.18 | foxrip | KaffeeJunky123: ok |
| 20:55.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | foxrip: if you don't ask your question, nobody can answer it while you're not looking ;) |
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| 20:58.34 | petn-randall | eyalroz: That's however not how you should backport packages. You should be building the package from sid sources, not install a sid binary package. |
| 20:59.27 | eyalroz | petn-randall: But it's not a binary package, it's a Python module. It's .py files which get installed. |
| 20:59.56 | eyalroz | s/module/package/ |
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| 23:14.40 | dagoberto | hey guys, I'm using debian 9 and I want to install the ati proprietary graphics drivers... I just checked the wiki at https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and there is no installation method for debian 9, can you link me to the correct link? |
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| 23:26.02 | fredl-pc | hey folks, is icinga now a bit of a de-facto standard monitoring solution for Debian? |
| 23:26.25 | fredl-pc | or is there any chance Nagios will be revived from the grave? |
| 23:26.53 | jehorn | I have a quick question, can/does Debian boot with UEFI? - I have a UEFI-only tablet/PC that is currently running another Linux distro and I was just curious if Debian had UEFI enabled by default in the ISOs |
| 23:26.59 | abrotman | I mean, they're both there? |
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| 23:33.16 | srukle | dagoberto: i use ati. these instructions generally work for me on debian 9 |
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| 23:38.27 | nvz | dpkg, uefi installer? |
| 23:38.28 | srukle | jehorn: I'm able to install Debian 9 with UEFI |
| 23:38.29 | dpkg | nvz: i haven't a clue |
| 23:38.35 | nvz | dpkg, uefi install? |
| 23:38.36 | dpkg | nvz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:39.13 | nvz | !uefi |
| 23:39.13 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 23:40.12 | nvz | !secure boot |
| 23:40.12 | dpkg | "Secure boot" is a hardware restriction feature of the <UEFI> specification. It prevents the loading of drivers / operating system loaders not signed with an accepted digital signature. While Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), secure boot is currently not supported. See https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot for secure boot implementation concerns. |
| 23:40.58 | nvz | apparently it supports uefi but not in secure boot mode according to our infobot |
| 23:41.21 | nvz | I personally never tested it, I see no reason to enable uefi |
| 23:41.49 | nvz | there are supposedly uefi live too |
| 23:41.55 | nvz | !uefi live |
| 23:41.55 | dpkg | Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI> |
| 23:42.09 | nvz | no, maybe not.. heh |
| 23:43.18 | srukle | net install works, uefi is a requirement for some systems, and it has been supported for awhile now |
| 23:43.59 | nvz | so they have systems out there with no ability to boot without it? Mine has an option in the bios |
| 23:45.03 | nvz | well actually now I seem to recall macs can't boot without it |
| 23:46.00 | nvz | wonders if annadane just got hit with a storm |
| 23:46.33 | srukle | yes, some systems now do not support legacy :( |
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