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| 00:08.14 | uupz | hello everyone, i'm new to debian and i've downloaded debian 9...i believe it was the one meant to be burnt on CDROM, anyways i downloaded it, stuck it on a USB and i have installed it |
| 00:08.30 | Tom-_ | uupz, great :) |
| 00:08.45 | uupz | i noticed i dont have commands like ifconfig etc etc...is there a way to FULLY upgrade my system..inotied there was a 4.9gb version as well |
| 00:08.47 | dvs | !win |
| 00:08.59 | annadane | !win dvs |
| 00:09.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, dvs! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 00:09.05 | uupz | hi Tom_ :) |
| 00:09.13 | uupz | Tom-_, sorry! |
| 00:09.20 | dvs | a lousy $10? Damn1 |
| 00:10.00 | petike| | :)9 |
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| 00:11.18 | annadane | isn't ifconfig deprecated... you can ping a web address to see if you have connectivity |
| 00:11.40 | dvs | uupz: Did you run ifconfig as root? |
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| 00:12.02 | dvs | uupz: or run /sbin/ifconfig ? |
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| 00:17.21 | Tom-_ | !ipconfig |
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| 00:30.53 | rant | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.45 | michael2 | does debian automatically update apt cache? |
| 00:36.17 | rant | I think there is a cronjob for it but I wouldnt rely on that |
| 00:37.05 | michael2 | I think its a systemd timer |
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| 00:37.44 | rant | yeah same difference :P |
| 00:39.58 | rant | !unattendedupgrades |
| 00:40.37 | rant | !unattended-upgrades |
| 00:40.37 | dpkg | [unattended-upgrades] a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 00:41.47 | michael2 | I don't have unattended upgrades on stretch |
| 00:42.06 | rant | seems its /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily |
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| 00:42.44 | rant | and reasoning is systemd timers are more flexible as the goal is to not have every debian user hitting the mirrors at same time |
| 00:42.54 | rant | it tries to randomize i |
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| 00:43.59 | michael2 | oh ok |
| 00:44.32 | rant | as deduced from /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat |
| 00:45.21 | rant | cause really I dont know much about other than its implemented which I figured out after I thought my system had been compromised cause I saw more going on than I thought should've been |
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| 00:45.46 | rant | only to realize apt was running without my knowledge |
| 00:46.20 | rant | so apparently it is both a cronjob AND a systemd timer unit |
| 00:46.22 | michael2 | yeah, its doesn't notify you that its run |
| 00:46.45 | rant | and works with unattended upgrades |
| 00:47.07 | michael2 | and I always end up running apt-get update - before a system-wide package upgrades anyway |
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| 01:06.02 | ryouma | when i am in a chroot in a dumb terminal, i run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and it fails to print the menu to select the drive. when i do the same thing from the same dumb terminal, but not in a chroot, it works fine, showing the drives and the by-id.) |
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| 01:44.45 | ryouma | a totally unrelated question: if you have two sets of sources in sources.list, will apt-get compare them to find which is more current? or just plain use the first and then if it fails use the second. |
| 01:45.14 | abrotman | it looks at the package versions (assuming equal priority) |
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| 01:48.50 | rant | apt wont use any of them in he way you are thinking, it uses them all to update the cache then uses he cache for everything else |
| 01:48.50 | apt | that's too long, rant |
| 01:49.03 | rant | heh, stfu |
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| 01:49.15 | rant | one time nobody want you, you're responsive |
| 01:49.16 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.43 | annadane | apt install foo |
| 01:53.17 | rant | it shouldnt respond to it's nick like that now that we have a command called just "apt" cause is more likely a line will start with just apt than it was in the past |
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| 01:54.10 | rant | iirc its trigger is ~ |
| 01:54.20 | rant | ~fubar |
| 01:54.20 | apt | fubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything. |
| 01:54.31 | michael2 | ~help |
| 01:56.23 | rant | that lame censoring there makes me think of Louis C K's musing on "The N Word" he said you're putting the word in the listener's mind and making them say it in their head, and you should just take responsibility and say it yourself |
| 01:56.24 | ryouma | fdisk -l works fine. i zeroed mtab. you're supposed to for this purpose. |
| 01:57.02 | rant | uh, what? |
| 01:57.31 | ryouma | mischan |
| 01:57.38 | rant | ah |
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| 02:20.45 | jubba | hi, i cannot connect to my wifi after my first dist-upgrade on debian sid |
| 02:21.18 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 02:21.18 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 03:29.02 | OS-39771 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.14 | dziri | oops ? |
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| 03:29.41 | OS-39771 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.02 | dziri | theres space before /msg |
| 03:30.40 | annadane | we all saw that; change your password |
| 03:30.47 | dvs | shhhhhh! |
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| 03:31.10 | dziri | nice pw choice btw |
| 03:31.42 | OS-39771 | changed THX |
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| 03:32.17 | annadane | sorry dvs |
| 03:32.23 | jim | OS-39771, it's possible you'd want to change your email addr too |
| 03:32.27 | dvs | grrrrrr |
| 03:32.52 | dziri | be careful around these parts |
| 03:33.00 | OS-39771 | jim how to change? |
| 03:33.36 | jim | OS-39771, that's a harder problem... the thing is, I dunno if you mind people knowing your email or not |
| 03:34.22 | dvs | but it's on a public log so spambots can now scrape it |
| 03:35.55 | OS-39771 | QAQ maybe i should make a new account?! |
| 03:35.59 | rant | OS-39771: you could use a /query nickserv |
| 03:36.17 | rant | then you will have a window open before you type anything sensitive |
| 03:40.31 | OS-39771 | abvce@gmail.com |
| 03:40.42 | OS-39771 | rant no window? |
| 03:41.10 | annadane | well first validate it actually is a *new window*... if you see our messages you're obviously not in your own seperate window |
| 03:41.56 | annadane | what irc client are you on, /query nickserv works for me |
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| 03:45.55 | OS-39771 | annadane i think i know what window is it ,Thank |
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| 03:53.03 | michael2 | I'm trying to setup bluetooth, Im following the debian wiki, but I keep getting this error when connecting: |
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| 03:55.32 | michael2 | Connection Failed: blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Protocol not available... |
| 03:57.11 | rant | you may want to try some more low-level commands like using rfkill possibly to see if radio is blocked, and hcitool to connect manually |
| 03:57.49 | rant | I never used bluetooth.. but thats where I'd start |
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| 04:47.45 | DeeEff__ | I'm having problems getting Xorg+NVIDIA to work on Debian sid. I was originally having GLX problems (NVIDIA wouldn't be detected as the GLX provider), but after reinstalling Xserver and the NVIDIA driver it seems I managed to fix that. Now when I boot (out of recovery mode) I just get a black screen on both my monitors with no cursor or prompt. Hitting CTRL+ALT+F1 does nothing when it does this. Any suggestions for things to look at |
| 04:48.29 | somiaj | you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, maybe users of sid know of any current issues with nvidia (of which I know there were a few bugs) |
| 04:48.56 | DeeEff__ | I should mention booting in recovery mode I can get to a root prompt after x11-session starts, but there isn't much I can do here. I've got sid set up with OpenRC and am trying to get LightDM to work. |
| 04:49.15 | DeeEff__ | ah, thanks somiaj |
| 04:51.17 | DeeEff__ | still, if there's any quick diagnoses that anyone can think of, I'd be happy to try. I've been banging my head on the wall with this for three days now |
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| 05:20.06 | benne5 | hi i after i installed debian 9 i get an message on my screen that says resolurttion is to high Andersson that i need to lower the resolution to 1920x1080 60hz how d i fix this??? |
| 05:24.06 | somiaj | what desktop enviorment are you using? |
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| 05:28.13 | somiaj | and there sin't a tool to configure the resultion? Anyways you can manually do this with xrandr, then either setup an autorun script to run it when you sratx, or write a small xorg.conf file to use that resultion by default |
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| 05:31.12 | somiaj | plaese keep the conversation in #debian and don't msg pople without asking first |
| 05:31.32 | somiaj | also xrandr -q should give you a lot more output than that, it shoudl give you alist of available resolutions and then read the man page for how to use it to change the resolution |
| 05:32.10 | benne5 | i tried xrandr but it gave me this msg "Screen 0: minimum 0 x 0, current 4480 x 1440, maximum 4096 x 4096" |
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| 05:34.04 | benne5 | somiaj |
| 05:34.25 | somiaj | as I said, that is normal, paste the full output of 'xrandr -q' at paste.debian.net if you need |
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| 05:36.52 | synthmeat | i'm not sure i understand this - so, i have systemmaxuse 250M. how come are my syslog.log and daemon.log hundreds of gigabytes? |
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| 05:37.41 | somiaj | are the gigs due to some miscconfigured service spamming the logs in a short period of time |
| 05:38.23 | synthmeat | yes, but it's not misconfigured though. it just has a lot of logs |
| 05:39.16 | Walakea | i tried copying .thunderbird/<profile> into the directory on my other partition, the old one belongs to Debian Stretch, the new one to Debian Buster. Whenever i close Thunderbird and run it again, it complains about .icedove directory, which if i manually delete, i can run Thunderbird again |
| 05:39.36 | somiaj | synthmeat: I mean are the logs that are filling it up spanned over a long period of time or a short period of time. |
| 05:39.43 | synthmeat | somiaj: fairly short |
| 05:39.54 | synthmeat | like, 2 days |
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| 05:40.22 | somiaj | hmm, I would figure out what is causing that much logs in 2 days, but I'm unsure why logrotate isn't keeping up with that (though I don't know the ideas that well) |
| 05:41.20 | synthmeat | no, i really do need to have that many logs, i'm sure of that. it's not even debug level logs, it's info |
| 05:41.31 | synthmeat | debug is much more logs :D |
| 05:42.59 | synthmeat | syslog kinda rotates ok. daemon is the one that's too big |
| 05:43.57 | somiaj | still multiple gigs of logs ina few days, sounds like a daemon is being over active, I would see why you have so many logs |
| 05:44.01 | synthmeat | this is funky though, 2 lines paste ok? |
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| 05:44.11 | synthmeat | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 35G Jul 3 05:42 daemon.log |
| 05:44.13 | synthmeat | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 21G Jun 25 06:26 daemon.log.1 |
| 05:44.21 | synthmeat | how come it didn't rotate faster? |
| 05:44.31 | synthmeat | what, 3 weeks? |
| 05:44.36 | somiaj | I'm not quite sure on that there, but that still seems like a lot of logs ot me |
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| 05:46.09 | synthmeat | paging through it, i don't see anything i don't want to be there |
| 05:47.13 | synthmeat | (i wouldn't mind it rotating much faster though, this is about a week of logs in there. a day would be more than enough for me |
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| 05:48.05 | synthmeat | where's the rotation periods for those two set up? |
| 05:48.21 | synthmeat | (deb 9, fairly vanilla) |
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| 05:52.22 | somiaj | synthmeat: check /etc/logrotate.d and /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 05:52.55 | somiaj | still the amount of logs being gnerated by the deamones, I would look at them, and see if you really need that much loging from your daemons, or if some daemon is acting up and needs some attention |
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| 05:54.55 | pingfloyd | does synthmeat taste like chicken? |
| 05:56.51 | synthmeat | somiaj: hah, no. 100% it needs to, really. paging through them, nothing unexpected. it's an orchestrator over many other servers, i need their "microjob" statuses :) |
| 05:57.00 | synthmeat | pingfloyd: tastes whatever you want it to :) |
| 05:57.16 | synthmeat | somiaj: need to reload a service or something after edits? |
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| 05:58.02 | somiaj | I don't know logrotate that well, check the docs |
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| 06:00.40 | pingfloyd | synthmeat: smother it with cheese and it will be fine |
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| 06:06.10 | synthmeat | somiaj: thank you. helpful. |
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| 07:02.26 | kirk781 | I created a bootable USB, however,it only boots when I have set UEFI mode in BIOS |
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| 07:07.35 | somiaj | sounds like you created a uefi bootable only usb, how did you create this bootable usb? |
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| 07:15.43 | sambal | say is there anybody |
| 07:15.50 | sambal | oh |
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| 07:21.46 | annadane | !test |
| 07:21.46 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 07:21.51 | annadane | k sorry |
| 07:21.56 | annadane | wasn't sure if my internet was working |
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| 07:36.43 | dadabidet | why doesn't debian have tor browser in its software store? |
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| 07:37.50 | somiaj | ,v torbrowser-launcher |
| 07:37.51 | judd | Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.2.9-3~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.2.9-3~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.2.9-3; sid/contrib: 0.2.9-3; experimental/contrib: 0.3.0~dev-1~exp3 |
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| 07:42.47 | atralheaven | Hi, I have debian installed on my system, with a root and home + swap partition, can I clone the OS to a flash drive to use it on another machine? thanks |
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| 07:44.02 | somiaj | usb drives can be slow and not always the best to run an os on. |
| 07:44.12 | somiaj | but yes, you can copy the install over and then setup a bootloader |
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| 07:46.48 | atralheaven | somiaj: I have a lot of ram on the machine that I want to boot my OS from, can I somehow run the OS from ram? |
| 07:48.03 | atralheaven | somiaj: btw how about USB3? |
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| 07:49.24 | somiaj | usb3 is decent speed, but still slow compared to sata. You can do it, but creating a live system maybe more efficent. |
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| 07:51.27 | dadabidet | apt search torbrowser-launcher returns nothing |
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| 07:54.34 | somiaj | read the output, it is in stretch-backports |
| 07:54.50 | somiaj | tor changes to quickly to keep in stable, tor updates break the package |
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| 08:02.32 | dadabidet | oh |
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| 09:04.52 | kale | how do i downgrade my perl version? i have by mistake made it a testing version |
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| 09:08.17 | benne5 | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 09:08.17 | benne5 | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 09:08.17 | benne5 | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 09:08.17 | benne5 | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 09:08.17 | benne5 | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 09:08.17 | benne5 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:08.17 | benne5 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:08.32 | benne5 | SebaBe |
| 09:08.49 | benne5 | varför blir det så? |
| 09:09.17 | benne5 | sitter i taxin eå e svårt att kolla:p |
| 09:10.36 | rjsalts | kale: you could try installing the older packages, debian doesn't support downgrades but they sometimes work. There is a chance it will break the system completely (especially given it's perl) |
| 09:10.52 | petn-randall | !se |
| 09:10.53 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
| 09:11.00 | petn-randall | benne5: ^^^ |
| 09:11.17 | petn-randall | benne5: Or you can ask your question in English. |
| 09:11.53 | kale | rjsalts: i found out i con pin the stable release and do a dist-upgrade, i have uninstalled everything i know of was from testing and also had to do a "yes, do as i say", but it seems to have solved it. not daring to reboot now though |
| 09:12.45 | rjsalts | kale: checkrestart from debian-goodies will tell you any running programs that are using deleted copies of libraries |
| 09:12.47 | kale | benne5: you shold post your apt sources and run "LC_ALL=C" before the command you try and then post the output as well |
| 09:13.11 | kale | rjsalts: thats very informative, thanks |
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| 09:23.10 | jim | what's the package name for the man pages that have stuff like fread, fprintf, etc? |
| 09:23.39 | azarus | man-pages |
| 09:23.42 | azarus | usually |
| 09:23.59 | azarus | also usually contains the posix man pages |
| 09:24.09 | jim | not something like libc6-doc? |
| 09:24.17 | jim | lessee, |
| 09:24.20 | azarus | well -- depends on the distro |
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| 09:24.28 | azarus | on alpine it's all in man-pages |
| 09:24.46 | jim | howbout debian? :) |
| 09:25.18 | azarus | dunno |
| 09:25.38 | azarus | realizes the channel he's in |
| 09:25.39 | azarus | dang |
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| 09:26.16 | jelly | glibc-doc |
| 09:26.24 | jim | thanks |
| 09:26.33 | jelly | ,i glibc-doc |
| 09:26.34 | judd | Package glibc-doc (doc, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNU C Library: Documentation. Version: 2.24-11+deb9u3; Size: 2493.3k; Installed: 3138k; Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/libc.html |
| 09:27.31 | jelly | ,file man3/printf.3 |
| 09:27.35 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 09:27.59 | jelly | ,file .*man3/printf.3.* |
| 09:28.03 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 09:28.07 | jelly | wut |
| 09:28.11 | jim | let's try this: |
| 09:28.20 | jelly | ,file printf.3.gz |
| 09:28.24 | judd | Search for printf.3.gz in stretch/amd64: [truncated] manpages-de-dev: usr/share/man/de/man3/asprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/dprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/fprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/fwprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/printf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/snprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/sprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/swprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/vasprintf.3.gz, |
| 09:28.25 | judd | usr/share/man/de/man3/vfprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/vfwprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/vprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/vsnprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/vsprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/vswprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/vwprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/de/man3/wprintf.3.gz; manpages-es: usr/share/man/es/man3/asprintf.3.gz, usr/share/man/es/man3/dprintf.3.gz, (1 more message) |
| 09:28.35 | jelly | also manpages-dev ! |
| 09:29.00 | jim | oh ok |
| 09:29.33 | jim | what does the file cmd do to judd? |
| 09:30.29 | jelly | ,file |
| 09:30.30 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by default. |
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| 09:31.01 | jim | what's the difference between that and find? |
| 09:31.12 | jelly | whic find |
| 09:31.32 | jelly | there's no find command for judd afaik |
| 09:31.47 | jim | , find bin/cat |
| 09:31.51 | judd | Search for bin/cat in stretch/amd64: coreutils: bin/cat; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/cat; 9base: usr/lib/plan9/bin/cat |
| 09:32.02 | jim | no, there is :) |
| 09:32.21 | jelly | looks like find is an alias for file then, same thing |
| 09:32.39 | jim | oh ok, yeah that could be right |
| 09:33.03 | jim | well let's see |
| 09:33.12 | jim | , file bin/cat |
| 09:33.16 | judd | Search for bin/cat in stretch/amd64: coreutils: bin/cat; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/cat; 9base: usr/lib/plan9/bin/cat |
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| 09:33.36 | jim | yeah, looks exactly the same |
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| 09:49.08 | dadabidet | what is the good way to install a more recent version of firefox? |
| 09:49.17 | annadane | wiki.debian.org/Firefox |
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| 10:01.20 | michael2 | I'm trying to setup bluetooth, Im following the debian wiki, but I keep getting this error when connecting: "Connection Failed: blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Protocol not available..." |
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| 10:01.44 | michael2 | does anyone know how to debug/fix this? |
| 10:02.29 | petn-randall | michael2: Can you also paste the lines around this error message? â https://paste.debian.net |
| 10:02.29 | annadane | uh, dmesg | grep firmware? |
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| 10:05.06 | michael2 | petn-randall: the message is printed in a tiny box in the blueman-manager GUI - thats all there is... |
| 10:05.41 | petn-randall | michael2: oh, then I'd try annadane's suggestion and check if you're missing firmware. |
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| 10:08.30 | michael2 | does journalctl show the same data as dmesg right? |
| 10:09.26 | michael2 | I searched journalctl from the start of this current boot for "firmare" no firmware problems found |
| 10:11.09 | annadane | i'd probably still just check dmesg |
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| 10:14.09 | shtrb | michael2, did you "enable" bluetooth (systemctl or enable in the UI) ? |
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| 10:14.41 | shtrb | also list check with rfkill if it is enabled by the system |
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| 10:15.24 | michael2 | jeez - I ran systemctl status and its all red! |
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| 10:15.55 | annadane | that's not good. |
| 10:16.03 | michael2 | shtrb: you meant the bluetooth.service right? its all errors |
| 10:16.07 | petn-randall | "all read"? |
| 10:16.08 | shtrb | what does it say ? |
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| 10:20.21 | michael2 | here is output of `systemctl status bluetooth.service' |
| 10:20.23 | michael2 | http://ix.io/1fRh |
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| 10:48.32 | shtrb | michael2, can check with systemctl status bluetooth , output of rfkill |
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| 11:33.51 | annadane | PSA: dpkg is down; use dselect for your bot needs |
| 11:34.34 | jelly | hm? |
| 11:35.16 | annadane | not on oftc, just freenode |
| 11:37.37 | shtrb | who harmed dpkg ?! |
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| 11:39.48 | Logg | UUID=D269-7524 /media/logg/floppy vfat auto,rw,user,sync,exec,dev,suid,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=027,umask=000,fmask=111 0 0 |
| 11:39.50 | Logg | i'm in hell |
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| 11:40.34 | Logg | I actually get rw permission, but only for files that exist at mount. only root can create new files |
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| 11:49.08 | Logg | seems to be a bug in nemo. caja and terminal can make new files/folders. |
| 11:49.21 | Logg | I'd file a bug report, but good luck reproducing this... |
| 11:49.38 | annadane | well i'd still file one |
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| 11:50.45 | Logg | restarting nemo fixed it. :| |
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| 12:35.24 | Gringonar | Hi |
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| 12:40.10 | Gringonar | I've been trying to get my laptop to run debian, but no luck, i tried many other distro's as well Ubuntu (18.04 LTS 16.04 LTS) Fedora 28 SlackEx 14.2. the only one that semi boots is Arch soo far i can issue some commands but honestly i'm at a loss |
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| 12:41.41 | shtrb | Do you have LUG near you ? maybe someone could help on site |
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| 12:43.24 | Gringonar | LUG? |
| 12:43.29 | shtrb | !lug |
| 12:43.38 | shtrb | lug is linux user group |
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| 12:44.12 | Gringonar | Not that i know of linux seems pretty rare where i live |
| 12:44.14 | shtrb | Can you say where does it get you (bootwise) |
| 12:44.22 | Gringonar | most of everything is windows |
| 12:44.46 | Gringonar | everything except arch gives a kernel panic |
| 12:45.14 | shtrb | did grub menu start ? |
| 12:45.21 | Gringonar | but i'm soo new to linux im currently stuck in journalctl since i dont know how to exit it |
| 12:45.31 | Gringonar | yes it did in ubuntu |
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| 12:45.47 | Gringonar | i tried adding nomodeset to the parameters |
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| 12:46.06 | Gringonar | also trie blacklisting nouveau |
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| 12:46.24 | Gringonar | modprobe.blacklist=Nouveau no luck |
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| 12:46.57 | Gringonar | didnt matter it just gave me black screen n froze |
| 12:47.21 | Gringonar | since it got no usefull information that way i tried arch again |
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| 12:48.11 | annadane | dselect, lug |
| 12:48.11 | dselect | [lug] Linux User Group. They are superb for getting free, in-person help for Linux installation and other issues. There is one in every large city, and some in smaller places too. Use Google to search for: London Linux User Group or New York Linux User Group or some such. Or, ask your local college's Computer Science department if there is a computer club or Linux club. http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups, or #debian-localgroups |
| 12:48.13 | Gringonar | so uhm whick key or button should i press to end journalctl, sorry cant seem to find it on google |
| 12:48.14 | annadane | ^^^ |
| 12:48.20 | annadane | dpkg is currently on the fritz |
| 12:50.09 | Gringonar | which |
| 12:50.10 | jelly | Gringonar: q |
| 12:50.20 | jelly | it's just less, the pager |
| 12:50.48 | Gringonar | thank you jelly |
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| 12:51.35 | Gringonar | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-view-and-manipulate-systemd-logs been reading this it has not exit command lol |
| 12:51.46 | Gringonar | shows my noobyishness |
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| 14:35.13 | Jmabsd | does https://manpages.debian.org/ list *ALL* man pages for ALL installable prebuilt packages? |
| 14:35.25 | Jmabsd | Like hylafax and rxsock? |
| 14:35.42 | greycat | Try it and see. |
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| 14:38.06 | BanHammor | normally, it should - unless it doesn't, in which case, you are encouraged to write a bug report. |
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| 14:54.34 | Jmabsd | greycat: I tried to look up "hylafax" and "rxsock" in the man pages web site and i did not get any result :( |
| 14:54.47 | Jmabsd | BanHammor: aha so any package that has a man page should be represented on the web site, ok great ! |
| 14:55.04 | greycat | What man pages does the hylafax package include? I'd have to go look THAT up first.... |
| 14:55.37 | BanHammor | Jmabsd, you have to have the exact man page name - hylafax isn't a manpage, but hylafax-server is, iirc |
| 14:55.55 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/capi4hylafax/filelist shows "faxsend" and 3 others |
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| 14:56.26 | greycat | and http://manpages.debian.org/faxsend works for me. It's incredibly short, though. |
| 14:56.58 | BanHammor | you can browse the manpage directory: https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/hylafax-server/index.html |
| 14:58.04 | greycat | ... oh, "hylafax" isn't even the package name! jesus. |
| 14:58.39 | greycat | So the reason you did not get any results when you tried to look up the "hylafax" man page is because there is no man page by that name and also no package by that name. |
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| 16:34.49 | jak2000 | hi all my os start on ERROR i see the prompt: (initramfs) |
| 16:35.05 | mawk | and don't you have more detail than that ? |
| 16:35.10 | mawk | like, errors above that |
| 16:35.11 | jak2000 | i understand need run this comand: fsck /dev/dm-0 but not know wich is the /dev/ ? thanks |
| 16:35.34 | mawk | what's inside your /dev directory at the (initramfs) prompt ? |
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| 16:35.51 | mawk | if you don't see dm-0 you can mount a few things |
| 16:36.08 | jak2000 | i cant paste |
| 16:36.13 | jak2000 | can i take screenshoot |
| 16:36.19 | mawk | just tell if dm-0 is in it |
| 16:36.31 | jak2000 | not |
| 16:36.40 | jak2000 | tty56 |
| 16:36.46 | jak2000 | vcs |
| 16:36.47 | mawk | yeah alright |
| 16:36.47 | jak2000 | vcs1 |
| 16:36.55 | jelly | sure, take a screenshot and put it somewhere like picpaste.com or imgur |
| 16:36.56 | mawk | so like a hundred things ? |
| 16:37.02 | jak2000 | ok |
| 16:37.08 | jak2000 | yes hundred of things |
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| 16:37.25 | mawk | yeah so everything is in place for your fsck |
| 16:37.57 | jak2000 | https://imgur.com/a/QczuPv9 |
| 16:38.18 | jak2000 | how to know wich dev need try repair? |
| 16:38.35 | jelly | that's just a tab-completion in /dev/ |
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| 16:39.13 | jelly | jak2000: nothing useful unfortunately. can you scroll back up (shift PageUp) to actual errors? |
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| 16:39.38 | jak2000 | ok |
| 16:39.39 | jak2000 | wait |
| 16:39.40 | jak2000 | pls |
| 16:39.52 | jelly | or boot again |
| 16:40.12 | jelly | preferably without the "quiet" boot parameter |
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| 16:40.32 | jak2000 | https://imgur.com/a/274PP5P |
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| 16:41.00 | mawk | dm-0 is in your screenshot jak2000 |
| 16:41.05 | mawk | why did you say it's not here |
| 16:42.21 | jak2000 | https://imgur.com/a/Lto22fJ |
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| 16:42.44 | jak2000 | ooo not see, sorry, i say not here /dev/dm-0 because this command i take (or apply) to other server.. |
| 16:43.13 | jak2000 | ok cant run the command |
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| 16:44.15 | petn-randall | *which* command exactly? |
| 16:44.28 | mawk | fsck something something |
| 16:44.31 | jak2000 | this comamnd: fsck /dev/dm0 |
| 16:44.35 | JordiGH | Neat, found a mirror: http://aaonline.fr/search.php?search&criteria[sequenceId-is]=6512_en_Debian%20init%20case |
| 16:44.53 | jelly | jak2000: you don't have to use the dm-* name. Run fsck /dev/mapper/swItsol--vg-root |
| 16:45.01 | petn-randall | jak2000: that's because /dev/dm0 doesn't exist. It's called /dev/dm-0. |
| 16:45.41 | jak2000 | jelly i am repairing now |
| 16:45.42 | jak2000 | thanks |
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| 16:49.41 | jelly | JordiGH: rra looks very handsome in that game |
| 16:50.05 | JordiGH | I love that Russ is Phoenix Wright. |
| 16:50.14 | JordiGH | Look at him being all lawyery in part 7. |
| 16:50.35 | JordiGH | They're arguing about the finer points of Condorcet. |
| 16:52.23 | jelly | -> #debian-offtopic |
| 16:53.04 | JordiGH | Is it really? |
| 16:53.11 | JordiGH | It is about Debian. |
| 16:53.14 | JordiGH | And systemd. |
| 16:53.54 | jelly | it's not tech support and the freenode channel policy drift is to keep main channel for tech support |
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| 16:54.31 | jelly | that clashes with the onjoin message, I know |
| 16:54.57 | jelly | but it keeps things more usable |
| 16:54.58 | JordiGH | Okay, fine. |
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| 17:06.49 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 17:06.56 | ychaouche | Can I still find packages for squeeze ? |
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| 17:07.06 | JordiGH | ychaouche: There's an archive of them. |
| 17:07.24 | ychaouche | link ? |
| 17:07.26 | jelly | !squeeze sources.list |
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| 17:07.54 | JordiGH | http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 17:08.16 | greycat | !squeeze sources |
| 17:08.25 | greycat | oh, bot is MIA |
| 17:08.33 | jelly | dselect: squeeze sources.list |
| 17:08.33 | dselect | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 17:14.56 | ychaouche | I have no /etc/apt/apt.conf in there |
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| 17:17.34 | ppx___ | hi folks i wanna ask how can i install ubuntu software center under debian? |
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| 17:18.53 | jelly | ychaouche: create it, or use Valid-Until on the command line only |
| 17:19.07 | ychaouche | jelly: ok |
| 17:19.09 | ychaouche | created it |
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| 17:19.52 | jelly | ppx___: is that the same as ths thing? |
| 17:19.55 | jelly | ,i gnome-software |
| 17:19.56 | judd | Package gnome-software (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: Software Center for GNOME. Version: 3.22.5-1; Size: 326.6k; Installed: 1555k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Software; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome-software |
| 17:20.32 | ppx___ | jelly : nah wait i ll post pack name |
| 17:21.20 | ppx___ | jelly : package name software-center |
| 17:21.31 | ppx___ | i got it in the repository list |
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| 17:22.03 | ppx___ | but each try installing it i get a lot of broken packages and software that cant be installed |
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| 17:22.35 | ppx___ | also i wanna ask if there is a tool that can safely install nvidia drivers |
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| 17:23.40 | jelly | a couple versions of nvidia drivers are packaged in non-free section in the repo |
| 17:23.54 | jelly | dselect: nvidia dkms |
| 17:23.54 | dselect | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 17:24.03 | jelly | dselect: non-free sources |
| 17:24.03 | dselect | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 17:24.08 | ychaouche | FYI : W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1520281423 KEYEXPIRED 1501892461 |
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| 17:25.24 | greycat | "W:" is just a warning. |
| 17:26.31 | jelly | ,v software-center |
| 17:26.32 | judd | Package: software-center on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.1.2debian3.1 |
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| 17:27.00 | jelly | oh, ppx is gone |
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| 17:28.49 | jelly | ppx___: which debian release are you using? |
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| 17:28.56 | ppx___ | 9 |
| 17:29.04 | ppx___ | but its now broken |
| 17:29.07 | jelly | ppx___: do NOT mix repos from ubuntu into debian, you'll break the installation |
| 17:29.29 | ppx___ | i made it franken-debian |
| 17:29.33 | jelly | eh, reinstall |
| 17:30.01 | jelly | or restore from a backup before you attempted installation of anything from different distro |
| 17:30.08 | ppx___ | also i got other issues |
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| 17:30.31 | ppx___ | cant use DSL on Gnome 3 and KDE desktops |
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| 17:31.17 | ppx___ | i think debian is very raw distro |
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| 17:31.28 | ychaouche | did nmap ever had the setuid bit in debian ? |
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| 17:31.51 | ychaouche | I just installed nmap for debian 6.0 from the archives and it doesn't have it. |
| 17:32.04 | jelly | no, it's usable for many purposes even without setuid |
| 17:32.30 | jelly | ppx___: what's DSL? |
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| 17:33.34 | ppx___ | jelly : DSL= Digital Subscriber Line or PPP over ethernet |
| 17:33.37 | jelly | establishing a pppoe connection? |
| 17:34.03 | jelly | that ought to work, but I've never tried it on debian |
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| 17:34.38 | ppx___ | I used program nmtui to create the connection on gnome,configured it right but it wont start |
| 17:35.48 | ppx___ | and on KDE: there was an option in the network connections, created it and cant connect |
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| 17:36.09 | ppx___ | my DSL works only on mate |
| 17:37.16 | ppx___ | forgive me |
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| 18:16.34 | gedia | hello guys, I'm trying to build an out-of-kernel module, and it won't load because of a vermagic mismatch. more specifically, the modules that ship with the kernel have 3.16.0-6-amd64, whereas the out-of-tree kernel has 3.16.56 |
| 18:16.39 | gedia | that's on jessie |
| 18:17.28 | gedia | my understanding is that the former use the version of the debian linux-image package, whereas the latter use the version of the actual upstream version the linux-sources are based on... how am I supposed to remedy this? |
| 18:17.57 | greycat | !dkms |
| 18:18.08 | greycat | dselect: dkms |
| 18:18.08 | dselect | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
| 18:18.29 | greycat | Ugh, no reference URLs at all...? |
| 18:18.34 | greycat | dselect: kernel handbook |
| 18:18.34 | dselect | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.debian.net/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
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| 18:18.50 | gedia | right, but I ain't using a debian package. the module is built by a bash script provided by the module provider |
| 18:18.58 | greycat | Then stop doing that. |
| 18:19.10 | gedia | I was thinking of manually editing the version information in the Makefile... |
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| 18:20.52 | p0lyph3m | gedia : yea , take a backpack , put a sticker on that says "parachute" and jump out of a plane %) |
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| 18:25.23 | jelly | gedia: do you have the appropriate linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed matching your running kernel? |
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| 18:27.10 | jelly | if you have the right headers module building ought to Just Work⢠|
| 18:28.22 | jelly | gedia: which specific module and where did you get the sources from? |
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| 18:29.21 | Logg | is there a way to disconnect a single usb device in software? |
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| 18:33.15 | jelly | what kind of device? |
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| 18:35.03 | gedia | jelly: it's for dialogic (formerly eicon) DIVA cards... and yes, I have installed the same linux-headers version as the running kernel, as well as linux-source-3.16 and copied over the config file from /boot |
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| 18:35.43 | greycat | compilation of kernel modules only uses the kernel headers, nothing more |
| 18:35.53 | greycat | (well, other than the compiler and so on) |
| 18:36.04 | jelly | gedia: you should not need linux-source; if you need it the module code is broken. I do not remember whether existence of linux-source messes things up. |
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| 18:36.38 | gedia | well, the bash script shipped by dialogic would complain if /usr/src/linux is not found... |
| 18:36.46 | Logg | `echo 0 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/7-1.3/authorized` seems to work |
| 18:36.57 | greycat | gedia: "Doctor, it hurts when I bend my arm like this." |
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| 18:37.26 | jelly | gedia: then that script is broken as well. get rid of sources. Point the build script at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 18:37.43 | gedia | jelly: will do, thanks! |
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| 18:39.52 | jelly | that's weird |
| 18:39.57 | gedia | why do meta-packages for linux-image and linux-headers have different versions than the actual packages>? |
| 18:39.58 | jelly | [20:39] /var/log # ln -s ../../opt/tivoli/log dsm dns1 |
| 18:40.48 | jelly | results in |
| 18:40.50 | jelly | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Jan 2 19:55 /var/log/dsm -> /opt/tivoli/log |
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| 18:41.35 | jelly | on stretch, amd64 |
| 18:42.46 | jelly | "type ln" in this root (z) shell says it's /bin/ln, not a function or alias |
| 18:43.20 | jelly | would ln -s remove ../.. bits? |
| 18:43.53 | jelly | and wtf would it do that, I know why I use relative links |
| 18:45.00 | jelly | gedia: because they're not built from same source and they change less often |
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| 18:46.51 | jelly | ah, apparently the symlink with the absolute destination was preexisting |
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| 18:50.58 | gedia | jelly: OK, so installing the headers anew created two dirs under /usr/lib: linux-headers-3.16.0-6-amd64 and linux-headers-3.16.0-6-common. After running the vendor's bash script, an extra symlink is created, called linux, which points to /lib/modules/3.16.0-6-amd64/build |
| 18:51.05 | gedia | jelly: should I copy the header files over there? |
| 18:51.09 | jak2000 | jelly repaired (take 2 hours) restarted and again same, initramfs why? |
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| 18:52.09 | ledger6 | I have a question on the unattended-upgrades package. On the Debian wiki it says that as of Debian 9 stretch (which I am running) the packages unattended-upgrades and apt-listchanges are install by default. However, when I run dpkg -s to search for each package only apt-listchanges is found. |
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| 18:52.50 | ledger6 | What might be the issue as to why I cant find the unattended-upgrades package |
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| 18:53.26 | greycat | If you want it, just install it. |
| 18:53.59 | jak2000 | i am iin initramfs, how to restart the server? |
| 18:54.18 | greycat | wooledg:~$ apt-cache show unattended-upgrades | grep Priority |
| 18:54.18 | greycat | Priority: optional |
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| 18:54.45 | greycat | It may be installed by default "when you choose GNOME" or something, but not when you choose Standard without a desktop environment. |
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| 19:08.51 | ledger6 | @greycat ok will do. are there any security concerns one should be aware of when configuring an automatic update such as this? |
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| 19:30.45 | gedia | jelly: OK, turns out the vendor script expects all headers to be under the same path... a recursive copy of ~-amd64 into ~-common appears to allow module compilation to continue |
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| 19:56.26 | Leo1658 | Salut tout le monde !! qui s'y connais en dnsmasq?? je rencontre un ptit problème :l |
| 19:56.30 | greycat | !fr |
| 19:56.30 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 19:56.54 | Leo1658 | oh yes sorry :s |
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| 20:19.55 | Berzerker | quick question, if no root password is set, does debian install sudo by default or is that an ubuntu thing only? |
| 20:20.03 | greycat | debian also does that |
| 20:20.15 | Berzerker | ok, is sudo included on the base image then? |
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| 20:20.36 | Berzerker | and I assume it also allows sudo access to whatever username you set up |
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| 20:20.44 | themill | 'base image' is a bit meaningless. |
| 20:21.20 | themill | If you don't set a root password then sudo is installed and the user you create is added to the sudo group |
| 20:22.11 | Berzerker | and would there be any situation, depending on what's downloaded from a debian repo (in terms of installation) where that wouldn't happen, as in it can't find the package, no internet, etc. |
| 20:22.37 | greycat | What is your real question? |
| 20:23.13 | Berzerker | can I assume that every time someone installs debian, they can not set a password and have sudo access on first log in |
| 20:23.20 | Berzerker | (for writing instructions) |
| 20:23.33 | Berzerker | set a root password* |
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| 20:24.48 | Berzerker | as in, would I need to preface the instruction to say "please make sure you're connected to the internet" or "please make sure you use X installation package" |
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| 20:25.56 | themill | depends on what image you're installing off |
| 20:26.20 | themill | The answer to broad questions is always going to be "it depends" |
| 20:26.25 | Berzerker | so, which images would this not happen on, and what would happen in those situations |
| 20:27.47 | Berzerker | I guess the situations where that would happen are few and far between for my purposes than I'd need to care about |
| 20:27.50 | themill | If you're going to cover all possibilities, you'll just end up rewriting the install guide. |
| 20:27.57 | Berzerker | also true |
| 20:28.04 | themill | So what are you really trying to do? |
| 20:28.30 | Berzerker | it's fine, I think I got the information I needed, I appreciate the direction themill and greycat |
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| 20:29.12 | greycat | people are freakin' weird |
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| 20:38.44 | pseudonymous | I did something quite stupid. I accidentally rewrote the partition table of 1 of the 2 disks which held an EFI boot partition. Turns out, this one was actually the one used (even though the rest of my OS is on the other disk). So far, the partition is still mounted and I have another EFI partition I can use.. So. can I move the files over and somehow use the other EFI boot partition ? |
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| 20:52.03 | David_Hedlund | How can I get a textfile with all meta-data for https://packages.debian.org/stable/0ad ? |
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| 20:52.33 | greycat | David_Hedlund: apt-cache show 0ad > a_textfile |
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| 20:52.53 | David_Hedlund | greycat: Yeah. |
| 20:53.25 | David_Hedlund | greycat: But is it available on debian.org? |
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| 20:53.56 | themill | David_Hedlund: what data specifically and what are you hoping to do with it? |
| 20:54.49 | greycat | Smells like "I'm using/writing a Debian-derived distribution and I want to break it REALLY HARD so I'm going to mix it with official Debian packages and ..." |
| 20:55.28 | David_Hedlund | greycat: No, I'm working on directory.fsf.org. |
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| 20:55.46 | themill | David_Hedlund: so you really want lots and lots of different packages, not just 0ad, I guess |
| 20:56.25 | David_Hedlund | I need a sample file but I'll figure it out. |
| 20:56.51 | themill | https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/source/Sources.gz |
| 20:57.05 | themill | s/cdn-aws.// |
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| 20:57.43 | David_Hedlund | themill: Thanks! |
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| 20:58.03 | themill | look at Packages rather than Sources if you want binary packages. |
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| 20:58.14 | themill | There are already services that do the cross-distro mining though |
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| 20:59.14 | themill | There are also modules in perl, python, C, ruby etc to parse these files |
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| 21:08.24 | arbs | Hi everyone. I'm having a bit of an issue with bumblebee on Testing and Unstable at the moment. Even from a clean setup, the moment I try to use primusrun or optirun to launch a program, the kernel seems to get very upset. I'd like to narrow it down to whether it's the 4.16 kernel, or the nvidia drivers. If someone could please look at this dmesg output I would really appreciate it: https://pastebin.com/wyFW7zgj |
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| 21:40.21 | darsie | Why won't 'scp -v compile s:' copy compile? It doesn't print an error. https://pastebin.com/Y02BUwkE |
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| 21:43.32 | darsie | I can copy with an mc ssh link just fine. |
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| 21:46.34 | darsie | Could it be the hacker messed up with the remote ssh? |
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| 21:47.03 | darsie | The log should say it's copying. |
| 21:47.06 | darsie | but it's not. |
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| 21:52.54 | _andro_and1_ | Buenas tardes |
| 21:53.44 | _andro_and1_ | Me gustarÃa saber si alguno me puede orientar con un inconveniente que tengo con debian 9 |
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| 21:54.32 | darsie | _andro_and1_: Habla inglese? |
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| 22:17.55 | rant | that'd be ¿hablas inglés? unless you were being formal then it'd be ¿habla usted inglés? |
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| 22:19.05 | Brigo | rant, right |
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| 22:28.06 | bletch_ | hi, why can I not find this package anywhere? https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/latte-dock_0.7.4-1.html I'm not sure how the new package process is, but I can see it's from march, it should be somewhere by now, right? |
| 22:28.57 | themill | If it's still listed in NEW then it's still in NEW |
| 22:29.00 | RoyK | rant: what is that "usted" bit? |
| 22:29.31 | bletch_ | themill: where is NEW, and can I get it anywhere? I can't find it in experimental either. |
| 22:30.14 | themill | no |
| 22:30.29 | rant | RoyK: its a formal "you" tu/usted mean the same thing its just a matter of formality and conjugation of the verb. Usted form is same as el/ella |
| 22:31.16 | bletch_ | Oh, I see how it is now, guess it's a timely process then. Thanks themill, I've never seen the NewQueue stuff before. |
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| 22:33.24 | rant | just figured I'd mention it since channel was slow and its horribly gramatically incorrect to say "habla inglese?" cause there is no ¿, inglese isn't a word, and usted generally isnt implied like tu, else it wouldnt be quite formal.. so the verb was cojugated wrong :P |
| 22:35.40 | afidegnum | hi, can anyone please explain this traffic ? using nethogs, this is what i m getting https://pasteboard.co/HsO2BDW.png |
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| 22:36.37 | rant | afidegnum: you may be better served in a networking channel like ##networking for a question of that nature |
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| 23:06.28 | msiism | the standard ~/.bashrc file in debian has a case statement at the beginning that is apprently there to prevent the file from being read when bash is not run interactively. but why would this be needed when ~/.bashrc is defined as "the individual per-interactive-shell startup file" (man bash)? |
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| 23:08.23 | msiism | also, if i understand those 3 lines right, they won't have any effect whatsoever. |
| 23:08.35 | msiism | s/3/4 |
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| 23:13.40 | msiism | ok, 'return' exists a script if it is sourced, i see. so, it does have an effect. but why is it needed? |
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| 23:13.51 | msiism | s/exists/exits |
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| 23:27.20 | msiism | ok, question answered: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/257571/why-does-bashrc-check-whether-the-current-shell-is-interactive |
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| 23:36.43 | Kurogane | how i can delete a directory via ftp cli? |
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| 23:39.34 | rant | Kurogane: rmdir |
| 23:39.40 | rant | Kurogane: man ftp |
| 23:40.14 | Kurogane | yes but give me this error: 550 Can't remove directory: Directory not empty |
| 23:40.26 | rant | imagine that |
| 23:40.55 | Kurogane | ? |
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