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| 17:15.22 | jak2000 | i have 3 pcs.... mine: 192.168.0.1 other 2: 192.168.0.11 and 192.168.0.27 how to know wich mac adress have the ip: 192.168.0.11 ? (and 192.168.0.27) wich command? |
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| 17:17.07 | SPF | jak2000: ip n |
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| 17:19.44 | Peyam | hi I downloaded the .deb file of visuals tudio code and I want now to remove it |
| 17:19.45 | jak2000 | thx |
| 17:19.47 | Peyam | how do I do it |
| 17:20.42 | ompaul | did you also install it? |
| 17:20.46 | Peyam | yes |
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| 17:21.02 | ompaul | with dpkg -i or some other method? |
| 17:21.04 | Peyam | I did purge --remove |
| 17:21.09 | Peyam | now it is gone |
| 17:21.14 | Peyam | thanks |
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| 17:21.18 | contrapunctus | o/ |
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| 17:42.35 | tkdl | I get an error "chroot: command not found", but coreutils package is installed, what's wrong? |
| 17:42.43 | greycat | are you root? |
| 17:42.49 | tkdl | no |
| 17:43.10 | tkdl | why I need to be root? |
| 17:43.15 | greycat | You have to be root to perform a chroot operation in the first place, so they felt nothing was lost by putting the chroot command in /usr/sbin. |
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| 17:43.53 | tkdl | yeah it works with root, tnx |
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| 18:05.09 | monty86 | what happened to mysql? did the owner decide to sell to oracle and then go and start mariadb?? |
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| 18:12.31 | eyalroz | monty86: MySQL always had a free (GPL) edition and proprietary edition(s), and was backed by the Swedish company MySQL AB, founded by the original MySQL authors |
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| 18:12.56 | eyalroz | In 2008, this company was bought by Sun Microsystems, then 2010, Sun was bought by Oracle Corp. |
| 18:13.09 | jfbourdeau_ | I am new to Debian, was using Ubuntu before. Which Debian based distro have the most modern and easy to use GUI ? I want to install debian on one of my friend computer and he's not good with computer |
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| 18:13.54 | somiaj | jfbourdeau_: most of us here use debian, so that is what we would suggest. And debian based distros are off topic here |
| 18:13.55 | eyalroz | monty86: But Oracle had already purchased in 2005 the company that had developed the InnoDB storage engine |
| 18:14.26 | jfbourdeau_ | Ok tks |
| 18:14.43 | eyalroz | jfbourdeau_: Well... |
| 18:14.48 | Toadisattva | I'm a big fan of the xfce desktop as far as friendly and powerful (and lightweight) interface |
| 18:14.50 | eyalroz | I'd say something different. |
| 18:15.13 | eyalroz | If you're not limiting yourself to systemd-free distributions, |
| 18:15.34 | monty86 | so aren't they going to do the same thing with mariadb? |
| 18:15.36 | eyalroz | I would say that Linux Mint, which is Debian-based directly or indirectly, |
| 18:15.55 | monty86 | the owner founded a company, sold it, then goes onto create mariadb....and after many years, will do the same thing again |
| 18:15.59 | monty86 | right? |
| 18:16.01 | eyalroz | is very convenient, and more user-friendly and UI-"polished" than Debian, |
| 18:16.09 | [Nightmare] | jfbourdeau_: Ubuntu is based on debian... try gnome3 or xfce... |
| 18:16.12 | eyalroz | but there are different considerations. |
| 18:16.21 | jfbourdeau_ | tks ! to all |
| 18:17.15 | eyalroz | monty86: : MariaDB was started as fork of MySQL, |
| 18:17.24 | eyalroz | to be developed independently of whatever Oracle would do. |
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| 18:17.46 | eyalroz | Plus, it uses another storage engine as a replacement for InnoDB |
| 18:18.04 | monty86 | so this time mariadb (or the corporate company behind it) wont be sold? |
| 18:18.23 | dgp | monty86: who knows |
| 18:18.27 | annadane | well |
| 18:18.31 | eyalroz | monty86: MariaDB the software is owned and managed by MariaDB the foundation |
| 18:18.46 | eyalroz | which is backed by two or three of the original MySQL developers. |
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| 18:19.25 | monty86 | it's nonprofit? |
| 18:19.33 | eyalroz | monty86: But things are a bit more complex, since one of the members of the foundation is a commercial comany, now called MariaDB Corporation AB |
| 18:19.56 | eyalroz | (previously known as SkySQL corp), |
| 18:20.03 | monty86 | wow...so isn't the same thing going to happen again?? |
| 18:20.13 | eyalroz | and it is said to be "the main driving force" behind MariaDB development |
| 18:20.27 | eyalroz | monty86: It's unlikely that what happened to MySQL will happen again, |
| 18:20.43 | eyalroz | because now, if someone were to buy the commercial company, they don't get control of the project. |
| 18:20.50 | monty86 | oh ok |
| 18:21.02 | eyalroz | But to be honest, I don't know that MySQL is the be-all and end-all of FOSS transactional databases. |
| 18:21.14 | eyalroz | Myself, I'm interested in analytics DBMSes |
| 18:21.18 | monty86 | it sucks |
| 18:21.31 | monty86 | if you care of relation integrity and ansi standards, it really sucks |
| 18:21.36 | eyalroz | and for those workloads, DBMSes like MySQL and PostgreSQL are just ridiculously slow. |
| 18:21.53 | monty86 | what type of analytical queries? |
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| 18:22.10 | eyalroz | let's take this off-channel. |
| 18:22.11 | monty86 | seems like materialized views and columnar storage would fix most of that |
| 18:22.16 | monty86 | oh ok |
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| 18:28.01 | jhutchins_wk | MariaDB is a definite fork of MySQL. There is another fork, Percona, that aims for 100% compatibility with the current MySQL, plus enhancements. |
| 18:28.27 | jhutchins_wk | All of them have Open versions for free, and commercial versions that include support. |
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| 18:38.43 | monty86 | i just wish either one had real materialized views like oracle |
| 18:39.00 | monty86 | i'd even settle for a something like indexed views in mssql |
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| 18:39.54 | jelly | monty86: keep this channel for actionable questions and issues, please |
| 18:39.59 | monty86 | oh ok |
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| 18:41.52 | jelly | chat is welcome in #debian-offtopic (except tech support questions) |
| 18:42.40 | monty86 | oh ok |
| 18:42.52 | monty86 | jelly are you a maintainer? |
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| 18:43.34 | jelly | no, not at all |
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| 19:48.46 | Something1 | Debian uses partition names instead of UUIDs for booting... how annoying |
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| 19:49.40 | mac` | ty |
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| 19:49.55 | greycat | Something1: Eh? No, a default install uses UUIDs. Of course it'll use whatever you put there. |
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| 19:52.32 | Something1 | On first install it does, greycat. After booting and using update-grub it will finally set the UUID for booting. |
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| 19:55.29 | Something1 | So in my case, in GRUB hitting ´e´ to change it /dev/sda2 to /dev/sdb2. But that was a frustrating 10 minutes of not thinking it would be that strange an oversight |
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| 20:04.06 | TTT | hi, I have a Debian/Stretch on an old hard drive, with unencrypted root. I bought a new HDD. I want to transfer the old system to new drive, but I want LUKS encrypted root. First, can I have 1 partition with everything LUKS encrypted, or do I need separate /boot and root? Second, how do I transfer unencryted root system to LUKS encrypted system without reinstall? |
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| 20:18.21 | monty86 | would gtk packages look correct on xfce? |
| 20:18.26 | monty86 | the styling and the fonts |
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| 20:19.23 | Something1 | Yes monty86. XFCE is gtk too, albeit version 2 while the gnome and mate apps are version 3 |
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| 20:21.21 | monty86 | oh ok |
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| 20:50.45 | TTT | how big should /boot partition be? |
| 20:53.36 | greycat | Mine's using 39M currently. So... multiply that by at least 10? |
| 20:53.48 | greycat | Depending on how long you plan to keep this machine. |
| 20:54.33 | greycat | Also increase the size if you plan to keep lots of kernel images around, e.g. because you run testing/unstable or some unusual architecture or whatever. |
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| 20:55.46 | monty86 | should I scrap my perfectly setup opensuse and install debian just cause of 1 package failing to work? |
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| 20:56.56 | jhutchins_wk | monty86: We think you should. |
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| 21:10.37 | Something1 | monty86, it´s not perfect if a package fails to work :P |
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| 21:15.38 | Something1 | I love how in Linux I can put the host in standby, take out the OS drive, edit in another computer, and plug it back in, and upon resume it acts like nothing happened. |
| 21:16.40 | monty86 | what is the default web browser in lxde in debian? |
| 21:19.42 | Something1 | firefox-esr if no other browser is specified |
| 21:21.49 | greycat | Oh, there it is -- it's in the *Recommends* on lxde. Recommends: ... firefox-esr | firefox | www-browser ... |
| 21:22.13 | greycat | it's possible to waste a bunch of time recursively checking only the Depends |
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| 21:26.48 | monty86 | sorry one more question, does the default debian installation include the packages for connecting to network shares (cifs)? |
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| 21:27.02 | greycat | If you mean samba-client, then no. But you can install it. |
| 21:27.05 | monty86 | i remember back in 2011 I had to install cifs-utils |
| 21:27.27 | monty86 | but that was when I did a minimal install with fluxbox |
| 21:27.40 | greycat | A "default" Debian installation means a lot of different things to a lot of different people, by the way. |
| 21:28.34 | monty86 | oh ok |
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| 21:31.04 | monty86 | one thing that worries me is the 2+ year release cycle |
| 21:31.55 | Something1 | Lots of people use the unstable branch for home computers |
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| 21:34.03 | monty86 | From a community point of view openSUSE is far more open than Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian and many other distribution. Other distributions tend to be more tightly controlled by corporate sponsors or community governance processes that leverage technical boards, community committees, self appointed benevolent dictators (<- that's Mark Shuttleworth in his own words) and lots of bureaucracy. We maintain a German-engineering culture |
| 21:34.05 | monty86 | associated with directness and high quality standards - if you do the work, you get the respect. Nobody tells you what to do. |
| 21:34.07 | hicks | monty86: Depending on what you need, that 2+ years can be an advantage. Little changes in the base system, no new bugs to worry about :) Hopefully there's only a few programs you need latest version of and for that, backports can be useful. |
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| 22:26.42 | ksk | upon apt-get upgrade and building new initramfs apt says: "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100 |
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| 22:27.32 | ksk | " -- will this effect my wifi connectivity after reboot? I have the package firmware-iwlwifi installed for my wifi-card, but cannot really make out the possible connection |
| 22:28.33 | themill | that's in firmware-misc-nonfree; the firmware might not actually be required but the module for this card wants to load it |
| 22:28.54 | themill | (it's for a wired card not wifi) |
| 22:29.12 | ksk | ah okay. so thats gonna stop working? :D future will tell.. |
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| 22:38.28 | tharkun | Good $DAY. I need to compile some apps for iOs and android. What are my Debian weapons of choice? |
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| 22:41.09 | davis | hello its been a while since I used debian. I installed vim, but it does not any colorschemes. the vim-full package does not seem to be available. |
| 22:41.52 | davis | i also get this error when I use my vimrc, Sorry, the command is not available in this version: function! HighlightSearch() |
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| 22:54.24 | davis | ahh it was vim-tiny and not vim. apt-get vim fixed my problem. |
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| 23:17.24 | RoyK | davis: quite usual issue ;) |
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